Down South Anomalies #123 Roger Stankovic: Redux, H2O and the U.F.O

The National Director for MUFON in Australia and New Zealand, Roger Stankovic is back. He addresses the N.S.A attending his lecture on Havana Syndrome in the US, the rapid rise in UFO sightings world wide and their relationship to water.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Wow, well there you go. Thank you. I thought we
were all in anyway, we use news stream program. We're
just getting used to it.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
You know what, I don't know why they change things
all the time. I really don't drives. Things are working fine,
you get used to it and then they come on
to the page and they move everything around and change
it all and make it more difficult for you. It
just drives me.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
So anyway, anyway, Hello world, and welcome to Untold Radios
down south Anomali is. My name is Jay Katz. Now
are we broadcasting from special We want to pay our
respects to our beautifully profound and historic indigenous culture and
the elder's past, present and emerging. We have one of

(01:55):
our favorite guests back some one. We can always rely
on our real gentleman of youpology Rogers Tankovic. And we've
named this episode Rogers Tankovic Reducts because we're going to
step to where episode one hundred and six was cut
during the streaming. Yes, right on the word NSA. But
also the other topic of this podcast is H two

(02:16):
O and the UFO you and I have pondered. We
have this relationship between water and these objects that have
been seen and I've had some very personal experiences. Now.
Roger has a background in forensic pathology. He's an educator,
he is a lecturer. He's a world traveler, he is

(02:37):
a researcher. He is also the national director for the
Mutual UFO network here in Australia and New Zealand. He
has an extraordinary past and last time, the episode we
did one hundred and six was his europhological road trip.
We actually stated was the best holidays like collections we've
ever come across. Absolutely, and we want to welcome you

(02:59):
to the High Spot Radio again. Roger, how are you.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
I'm well, Thanks, Jamie and Naspo.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
It is such a pleasure to have you on the cast. Now,
do you remember you could maybe briefly tell us that
you had gone to the States not just for this
road trip, but to present a paper at a conference
based on the research you'd done into the possibilities the
plausibility that there may be a link between what's happening,

(03:29):
especially recently as around twenty seventeen with uap UFO disclosure
and Havana syndrome. So could you briefly submit for us
for listeners that might have been listening to the watching
episode one hundred and six. What paper do you? Yeah,

(03:50):
they could, but anyway, just briefly what paper you were
presenting in the US there at that conference, and maybe
tell us what the conference was about.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yes, So the road trip was prior to the conference
in Dallas, so I had to fly out twice. We
flew out as a group to the United States and
did the road trip, and I flew back, and then
I after two or three weeks, I flew back to
Dallas and gave a talk on Havana syndrome and a

(04:21):
possible link between non human intelligence and have Aana syndrome.
So basically I didn't make that assumption lightly. I did
a lot of research into Havana syndrome and also the
effects of UAPs on people who come close to UAPs,

(04:42):
the medical effects in terms of not only psychological but
physiological effects, and so what I did I looked at
have Ana syndrome and the possibility that some of those
symptoms that people get when they get close to UAPs

(05:04):
are very similar to what's happening with Havana syndrome, except
that there's no sound. So nearly all of the signs
and symptoms that people experience apart from a couple related
to close encounters and have ANA syndrome overlap. So I
looked at that very carefully, and then I presented a

(05:27):
paper based on research reading articles about have ANA syndrome
and how the actual ideology is so difficult to work
out because they've had several intelligence agencies that have looked
at have had a syndrome in terms in terms of

(05:48):
you know, what is causing HAVEVNA syndrome. Some of the
research has suggested that the Russians might be behind it,
but there's absolutely no evidence that any foreign adversary isctually
behind him and a syndrome. And and basically, although we
don't have absolute proof that there is evidence to say that,

(06:09):
you know, someone spotted a r UFO hovering over someone's house.
You know, So say, for example, most of the people
are like US citizens, but they're nearly all that nearly
all of them are even in the military or diplomats

(06:32):
or are part of the intelligence community that are being targeted.
So why would one expect why would one Uh, what
I'm saying is that basically, why are they targeting these people?
Difficult to know? But where would you what would you attack?
You know, to give if you were sort of like

(06:54):
giving a warning to a government about what they're doing.
In terms of, for example, it is so they say
it's age non human intelligence. They're targeting their intelligence community,
which is crucial to the security of that country.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
So basically.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
That would be their most vulnerable point, and diplomat, diplomats,
military intelligence community, so that they'd be the most likely
people you'd target. Some of the higher up echelon people
within those groups do get targeted, but some of them don't.

(07:37):
In terms of you know, like if you're looking at
diplomats or government officials, you know, the president of the
United States hasn't been targeted, and people further down haven't
been targeted, but you'll find that the people people lower
down from them are being targeted. So why are they

(07:59):
being targeted? It's because was some believe and I believe,
and basically that non human intelligence does not want disclosure
to happen at this point in time, and possibly they
have a good reason as to why they don't want
it disclosed at this time, and in terms of perhaps

(08:21):
they have knowledge about what actually happens to a civilization
when it actually the penny drops and it becomes an
absolute reality that there is a non human intelligence here
and what effects that would have on the civil on
the population on the planet. And so they're basically protecting us,

(08:45):
And how do they how do they target these people
in a subtle way, and how the hell is it done.
It's almost impossible.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
It's almost impossible to target someone and cause a small
amount of brain damage enough to immobilize them in terms
of cognitive abilities.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
But not kill them. We don't have the technology to
actually do this subtle damage to the brain.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
So do you do you think that maybe because you know, well,
uphos have always been out there because people have been
reporting them forever, okay, but nothing like this was happening.
But all of a sudden, this Havana syndrome thing starts happening.
Do you think it's because the government has now changed

(09:37):
gears and is starting to you know, with all the
congressional hearings and all these coming forward and this being
you know, they're starting to take notice of it and
starting to take it seriously that they've started. Do you
think that's why it started to happen now, because you know,
syndrome has only just coming out recently in the last

(09:57):
few years.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
It's the last two. This really is.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah yeah. So so basically the thing is is that
it's going out to the to the grass for its
main mainstream population. Whereas a lot of the so I
got this flying we've got in the fifties and sixties,
people thought, okay, it's probably fiction. You know, you had

(10:22):
your movies and whatever. You know, the day the earth
still still et cetera, and people, you know, the the
the culture was there. You know, people knew what a UFO,
a flying saucer, et cetera. But they had to make
up their own mind as to whether they believed it
or not. But now, as as ass put it, I mean,

(10:43):
they were still on to the level of the Congress.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
So people are still reporting these things, that still reporting it,
but that it wasn't people you know in the military,
because you know, the military, the you know, the government,
the officials had had a really good job on keeping
the lead on who reported these stories. It was always
you know, lay people just you know, every day people

(11:11):
will not out of the you know, not diplomats, not
higher ups in military circles or different people like that.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Were people in the military who were reporting things in the.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
But you know, and you know, I'll contradict you there
because you had people like Donald Kehoe and you had major.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
But nobody was listening to you.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
No, it wasn't receiving the same it was nobody was
to them also since forty seven and had been doused
in ridiculous, which is what Roger.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
You know, when you've got lone voices on their own
saying these things, doesn't matter who they are, it's sort
of like, okay, well, you know things have happened. This
guy's you know, gone a bit mad and he's starting.
But when you've got you know, when the government's having
congressional hearings into these very different it's a different story,
very interesting and listening. Right. So yeah, is that why

(12:03):
you think maybe this happened a syndrome has now stanged.
So if it's a non intelligent thing happening.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
I think it's sort of like they're giving us a
warning or not us. But I mean the US government
so far, because they're the ones that have taken it
to Congress. No other countries taking it to Congress. Yes,
perhaps if another country did the same thing, they might
be targeted. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I mean, the thing is that and we have, if
I can, if we can just interject or excuse me,
I apologize. But Australia has had some diplomats targeted with this,
and this does from the outside look like it's a
pulsed microwave weapon. That's very precise. The targets very precise

(12:49):
areas of brain function. And this is what the weird
thing about it is. The other thing I was very
curious about is the sound. I hadn't really discussed that
with you before. Is there always a sound with a vedrome?

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Some people sometimes don't hear a sound, and but often
they do. But going back to the Australians, they were
two Americans that visited Australia. They got that apology. Yeah, yeah, right, No,
that's okay. So no Australians have been targeted. They were
they were two officials from the United States that actually

(13:25):
got sapped here. I don't know, was in Sydney or somewhere,
but yeah, so so that these officials get targeted anywhere
in the world, but they're always they're always US or
Canadian citizens. There's never any other nationality, which so like you,
so I think, yeah, it could be Russians. I don't know,

(13:47):
but you know, like when when Trump was in power
the first time, and even now he's got well, you know,
to a certain degree, he's got really good relationships with Putin.
Why were they targeting you know, the United States citizens
while Trump was in power. I mean, it didn't seem

(14:09):
like if it was Biden or someone else will yeah,
but I mean if it was the Democrats. But you know,
the Republicans, you know, obviously get along really well with Pertinent.
I mean, and the relationship, you know, political relationship between
Russia and the United States is you know, a lot

(14:34):
better with you know, the Republicans, and it was with
the Democrats. But it happened started happening in two thousand
and sixteen, so very late. So thirty first of December
twenty sixteen was the first.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Was patient zero? Wasn't it that?

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I'm sorry your second question it was about the sound. Yeah,
it's it's a really weird sound which tends to mimic
a cricket sound. So basically this is what got my peak.
My curiosity is that whatever was doing it was trying

(15:14):
to imitate a natural sound in the field, like a
cricket sound, to actually deploy this sound, which was damaging
to the nervous system to the individuals, And basically it
was sort of like an obversating type of way of

(15:36):
delivering that sort of energy weapon to make it look
as if, oh, it's the crickets that are actually causing
this problem, when in fact, in Cuba and other areas,
these crickets have been endemic for thousands, millions of years
who knows, and it didn't affect the local population. So

(16:01):
so how do you explain that, you know, like I mean,
how do you explain that you know, it's not the crickets.
By the way, if you look at the waveforms, if
you look at the wave forms of both the actual
Havana syndrome sound and there's only one recording. There was
one recording by the Associated Press that was released by

(16:22):
the Associated Press of an individual who was actually being
attacked real time, got their phone out and then recorded it,
so that that recording is the only real live recording
that was that was obtained by an individual and we
don't know who the individual is. Would have been a
diplomat or and intelligence someone from the intelligence community who

(16:43):
then submitted that to the Associated Press, and what they
did is coned compared that waveform with the echo sound
of a the Indies West Indian Indies cricket West Indies cricket,
and it almost matches that in your perfectly. And basically
it's as if the crickets inside a room. So the

(17:05):
field sound is different to the echo sound echo sound,
meaning that you've got the sound in a room with
so it's it's it's quite like it's it's a bit
different in terms of the field. The field sound doesn't
quite match it of the field cricket, but if the

(17:26):
sounds played within the room, it almost matches the Havana
syndrome sound perfectly.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's fascinating. Is there a similarity of people held this
signal up and seeing if there's any similarity to the
signals the sounds that were recorded in crop circles. I
know the BBC recorded some normal sounds in the nineties,
is any of that data.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
I haven't looked at that, to be honest, I know
what you're talking about, and because I've been looking at
crop circles since the eighties, but I haven't really looked
at comparing those sounds with the Havana syndrome sound. I
think people said they hear correct me if I'm wrong.
Buzzing sounds or whatever. They have a feeling like the

(18:15):
different sort of like Actually, I'm thinking of doing a
crop circle tour next year, but to experience it myself.
But people have gone in them, as you say, and
they experience sounds and different feelings psychologically as well as
physiologically that I haven't really looked at whether you know,

(18:37):
maybe we should be looking at it.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
You know, there's a hypothesis there that you're looking at
very extreme microwave energy that's been put into those fields,
that's laid down those circles and pictograms. It's just fascinating.
And I remember when I went to the nineties in
the early nineties to investigate the Nole's case on the
Nulla ball and we actually and I can't remember the

(19:02):
frequency now, we've actually recorded similar frequencies using an exact
machine and testing machine and we took them onto the
nullible plane and every time we played those frequencies, we
got a normous photographs, really weird beams coming down and
all sorts of things. It might be some area to

(19:24):
look into now you were getting this go on.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
What I've just wanted to comment about the crop circles
and how they're laid down. Yes it is microwave radiation,
and yes it could well be a different like a
different frequency that they're using in havada syndrome. But it's
it's quite interesting. It's quite an interesting point that you
brought up, that you know that they you know, like

(19:51):
this is the way they operate. I mean basically they
probably used microwaves for a lot of different things and
terms of communicating and damaging people as well.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Sorry, continue on, No, No, it's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Now.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
You were presenting this paper at a move on conference.
Maybe just tell us the name of that conference and
what happened with these couple of Alphabet agency people that
were sitting in there. Your attention was drawn to, and
I think they were members. You stated it was episode
one hundred and six. You can go back and look
at that. When it cuts at the very end, you

(20:25):
stated that they were possibly people from the NSA, the
National Security Agency.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, I know they were for sure. Basically, this is
the Dallas conference that I went to. So it's an
international move On symposium for twenty twenty four, and when
I delivered the talk, I didn't really observe anyone in

(20:52):
the audience. I wasn't like picking anyone outside. I wasn't
you know, you just scan the audience and you're looking
at your slides, et cetera. Side There was a lot
of people there and I didn't really take note of anyone.
But after after I finished the talk, the next I
think was the next day, Christaperno, who is the the

(21:14):
state director for move On in New York, who was, well,
he's had many jobs, but he was I believe, a
contractor for the NSA. And he actually spotted them and
he knew one of the guys. So that's how I

(21:35):
can confirm that it was someone from the NSA. And
the other guy was also so they were too apparently
retired NSA. You know, if you if you're in the
intelligence service, you never retire.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
No, of course you don't. You go to a village
if you start speaking too much and you're given a number.
But anyway, wow, And so.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
He came over to me at breakfast and he said,
can I speak to you for a minute, Roger, And
he goes and I said, yeah, what happened? And he goes,
there's two There were two NSA guys in the talk,
and I approached them and I asked them, what are
you doing here? And they said, we're just obviously taking
notes and recording me as I was delivering the talk.

(22:21):
So I'm assuming that, you know, like I mean, it
may not be nevarious in any way, but I mean
it's probably they're interested to know what, you know, what
people's opinions are, because they've got no clue apparently. I mean,
they've spent apparently the biggest this is the the largest
investigation that was ever made by the CIA ever into

(22:45):
Havana syndrome. It's that they spent more money on it.
They spent more time than any other project ever in history.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
And they cannot sorry, that is quite extraordinary. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
And Bill Burns, who was the former Oh is he
still the director? I can't keep up with changes. But
Bill Burns was saying that, you know, I've come up
with nothing. I can't work out how this works. You know,
I don't know. And I mean, what sort of level

(23:22):
of intelligence would you need? It have to be, you know,
out of this world pardon the pun, to have got
away with something like this, you.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Know, with that agency behind you. Yeah, with that agency
and that money behind you, it must be absolutely perplexing.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
If there was somebody else out there, foreign adversary, they
would have found them easily. Either that or they're covering up.
So why would you be spending like, I don't know
how many billions of dollars they spent on this investigation
and found out that, oh, yes, it's the Russians, but
we can't say anything. But let's just keep spending billions
of dollars and then obfiscating it to the public. You know,

(24:05):
that sounds really weird, But so.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
If we were to think that at the end of
the day, that there is legitimacy back there In eighty
nine to Dennis who became Bobblazar and his story of
being approached by Edward Teller work at EG and G
which led to groom Lake and his back engineering, and
again tell us, seeing that this was a maverick and

(24:32):
we're looking for a solution in back engineering and looking
at these craft maybe we just grabbed someone out of
the public sector that thinks differently to the way we
do and their mind might open up a solution. And
so that could have been your Bobblesar moment. So I
think any moment now the phone could ring, Roger, and

(24:53):
you might disappear for a while to a restricting facility somewhere.
Isn't that astounding?

Speaker 3 (24:59):
I'd love that.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I'm sure you would. Hopefully he was abreast with it
here and Untold Radio. Look, one thing I really wanted
to raise with you, and it's this notion that we've
had for a long time about the relationship of water
to the UFO, the UAP, the flying source of phenomenon,
and recently in the in the drone incursions in the States,

(25:27):
there were so many of these objects caught coming out
of even by the Coast Guard and photographed coming out
of the Pacific Ocean, coming out of large bodies of water,
coming out of tributaries. And as I said when I
had gone to investigate the Knolls case in the early nineties,
many years after it had occurred, it occurred in eighty eight,

(25:50):
I think on the highway where a family of four
mother and three sons were picked up by an anomalous object.
John I had research and Bill Chalker and a Basta
build and everyone's got a different opinion. You know, some
people say they hit a cattle ramp. I can tell
you form a matter of fact of being out there,

(26:10):
there are no cattle ramps. So you cannot graze cattle
out there, and there's also a lot of strictment in
the background environment that's still deadly, And it was one
way that the governors of the day were utilizing their
power over shockingly our indigenous community. So they didn't hit

(26:31):
a cattle ramp. And I feel for sure something truly
out of this world happened to that family. But when
I was out there prior to that, there was a
meteorite that came down in Broken Hill and we stopped
in Broken Hill and I spent literally many days there,
and I went out onto the Monday Monday planes, which

(26:52):
are the longest flattest planes in the Southern Hemisphere. If
you look at Priscilla in the desert, there's a scene
where you see them get out of the bus and
look at those planes. I sat there an entire night
with about twenty locals that had experienced stuff out there,
and I heard some incredible narratives. I also on the
Eucla Basin where this family was supposedly picked up off

(27:15):
their highway. There in the nuther Ball, I went and
spoke to the closest homestead, the Maundrabilla Homestead, to the
roadhouse that they pulled into and evidently this incident literally
occurred outside their front gates, which were about a kilometer
from their homestead, and they actually spoke to me about
their water tanks being drained.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
By celectrical objects. They were able to look up and
see hieroglyphs on these objects and see silt from the
bottom of the water tank, rocks and pebbles and sand
and dust and dirt attached to the bottom of the craft.
They were very complex narratives, and they also said there

(27:57):
appeared to be a relationship with these objects and what
were like underground. There's massive underground caving in another board,
as well as underground springs and water, and these objects
seem to hover around them. And then when I'm back
in Broken Hill, people start telling me stories of the
dam and anomalous objects coming.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Out of the dam. And then you think of Gosford
and all those objects that more of McKee and Brian
Dickinson wrote it in their book The Oxford Gosford Files.
Those objects were draining water from the coastal regions there.
So there's always appeared to me this huge relationship with water.

(28:41):
Now there's two major questions here. One is that relationship
with water. But a lot of researchers from outside this
country and a few locally telling me now that we're
in the midst of our own UFO flap, a massive one,
and I'm wondering if they're move on. You're seeing more

(29:01):
reports than you've seen before, or you're hearing about drone incursions.
It's and they're saying it's not being covered in the press.
I'm noticing a few things, but not to the extent
that I'm hearing out there in the zeitgeist.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, well we have. All I can say is that
we have had almost double the amount of reports that
we've had since Thember last year. It's phenomenal. We can't
keep up with it. Usually we get about one hundred
and ten one hundred and twenty reports. I think we've

(29:39):
got two hundred and fifty for this year. It's just
gone crazy. But I don't really know. I mean, I
haven't done the analysis as to weather. I mean, it's
hard to do any analysis on this sort of stuff
to determine whether these people that are reporting things are actually,
you know, just haphazardly seeing these things without knowing, without

(30:01):
having any predisposing in like knowledge about what's going around
in the media in terms of these drones. So I
mean if people what I mean is that you know,
like I mean, people that are interested in the topic
of eupology will go on social media and they hear

(30:25):
about you all these drones, and so they'll go out
and have a look. Now is it just because you know,
the media is saying, oh, you know that there seems
to be you know, an increased number of these weird
drones that everyone's seeing in the sky, So let's go
out tonight and have a look to see whether we
can spot anything. So is it that? And that is

(30:47):
is that? Why?

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Where?

Speaker 3 (30:48):
I mean you could you could go out in the
night and see nothing. But the thing is that and
the chances that are pretty bloody high. But the thing
is that people are seeing things. So is it are
these people are they knowledgeable about you know, what's going
on in social media and they're going out deliberately to
find things or are they just haphazardly going out and

(31:12):
seeing objects and then.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Report the more objects in the sky.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Because there's more objects in the sky exactly right.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yes, I think you have got a conun from there.
The awareness is heightened, so more people are being readily
available to have their phone on people. And you know
what I mean, technology is actually made us look down
and spend so little time pondering what's above us. And

(31:40):
so maybe that hide and awareness, but still that sounds
like a massive increase, and it does seem I'm hearing
it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
And I mean it's it's usually like lights in the
sky which they can't identify and you're not coming I've
had reports going to me, not remove on. You know,
people a lot of the time send reports directly to
me about and they send me the videos and they
go to my website and you know, send reports. So

(32:10):
there's a lot more than what we've gotten in the
actual website and the paste management system, move on, cage
management system. But certainly it's like as a sample, you
can consider that as a sample the stuff that we're
getting through move on. You can obviously see that the
amount of stuff that's coming through is just phenomenal, and

(32:32):
it's like, yeah, it's increased. And it's also sort of
like what's occurring in the States where people are seeing
drones and whatever. They're seeing anomalous lights in the sky
which they can't explain. But we were still like because
you know, like obviously we're not in this. We're not
like the States and where you know, where they have

(32:53):
that can investigate this sort of stuff. If if somebody
sees the drone over military facility, they'll send out, you know,
another drone to see what the hell it is, sound
out you know, like a fighter jet or whatever, or
a plane to investigate it. That doesn't that's I don't
think that's occurring here. And so in the UK, I
mean we've had these orbs around airports and stuff like that.

(33:20):
I mean not we, I mean they have, and so
they're seeing an homaloss things similar to what I think.
It's still like a it's more so a world, worldwide
phenomenon that's occurring.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
And so I'll thank you very much because this whole
drone situation was kicked off primarily in Britain and then
you had cylindrical spherical objects that were photographed on tarmacs
with air traffic around, which was just frightening. I mean,
if that's not a civil aviation problem, that could turn

(33:58):
into an absolute tragedy what is. But I think also
at the moment, what people are termining to be drones
turned out to be not drones at the end of
the day, you know, they were more like u aps
or UFOs. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Well, I mean, let's see, the thing is that they
were saying that there were normalous objects. But then when
Donald Trump got in, he said he was going to
investigate it, and you know, after their investigation they said, oh,

(34:36):
you know, they were FAA approved drones. And then you'll
have people, you know, they have other people saying, well, no,
they're Chinese drones. So Ross has actually Ross Coulthard has
actually mentioned that recently that Ross has been told that
that they're Chinese drones. But but if that's the case, well,

(35:01):
you know, like you know what, the obvious the obvious
answer is why weren't they brought down, you know, and
why wasn't there you know, initiative to bring them down.
I mean, it just doesn't make sense, just like the balloons,
you know, and the you know, the incident over Dead
Horse and Alaska and places like that where an actual
you know, craft was brought down. We still don't know

(35:22):
what happened to that craft and where you know, whether
it was retrieved or not. But you know, like it,
a lot of it just doesn't make sense to me,
and I'm not. I'm not, you know, just I believe
Ross is being told things and unless unless he's actually
seen it. It's a bit like the tic tac. You know,
he's saying that now this is you know, us government.

(35:46):
But I like it's it's one thing being told this,
it's another thing being shown it. Okay, that's Ross's being
shown a tick dec. I don't know, uh, but believe
Ross is a meticulous researcher.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
But I think also Ross is right in the heart
of it all and you've got to be careful. And
I've stated this before, and with all due respect to Ross,
I'm actually really proud of him, and he's doing an
astounding job that many journalists would dare walk near.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Sorry, I'm not putting Ross down in any way.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Oh, I know you're not. I know you're not.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I'm just we both highly respect him.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
But I think, like Igorus, you've got you can have
trouble when you fly too close to the sun, your
wings can melt. And you know you're taking in things
from people that are highly credentialed which are going to
be difficult to disbelieve.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well, you just don't know what what this information is
and you can have ninety nine nine percent real information
and then one piece of.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Fordulent, you know, hood spars to the side of it
can lead us down the wrong alleyway. And I think
that all we can do is what you stated before,
and that is get out there and start looking at
the sky. So that's really satisfying to me because we've
been hearing things personally that sounded like there was an
acceleration in this phenomena, or at least an acceleration in

(37:18):
the documentation and observance of this phenomena by the public
for the first time that I haven't seen it in
a long long time. That just is not letting up.
Now in terms of the States, there seem to be
this high incidence of these objects tracking across America and
then going into the Pacific Ocean. Now the reports that

(37:41):
you receive here from Australia and New Zealand, what sort
of percentage do we see objects having that same relationship
with water that we have actually been witnessing there in
the US in the last twelve months.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Well, there have been reports. I've had reports of people
coming so saying to me that there was one incident
and I'll have to pick an incident in New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
There was a.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Guy who couldn't sleep one night and he lives close
to the to the water, got up and he was
just restless and thought he might go out into the
waterfront with a glass of wine and sat down and
saw a UFO above the bay and it was scanning
the water. So it sent out a beam that in

(38:32):
a and it was scanning in a raster formation the ocean,
and then all of a sudden it came to the shore.
An entity came out and had a communication with him,
a telepathic communication. Very credible guy. But then again, you
know that was something that didn't come out of the water,

(38:53):
but it was scanning the water. There was an incident
where people have seen u a piece over over water
on many occasions, coming in and out of water. We've
had reports so that I'd have to go into the
specific spell looking at the report again because I've gone
through so many that but I do remember people commenting

(39:16):
about them seeing you know UAPs flying over water, going
into water, and coming out of water. So what is
the association? Ah, hard to say. I mean, you know,
like the best place to hide is you know, in
the ocean. You know, if you don't want to be seen.
And you know you mentioned that thing about them draining

(39:38):
the water tank and the nulla ball. That's not the
first time that that's been reported. That's been reported on
a couple of other occasions where UAPs have been seen
above water tanks and then taking water up into them.
There was a classic case which I don't know the
details of I haven't.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
But there was a.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Young man who was in a cow in a shed,
who is milking a cow or something like that, and
saw a UAP a UFO come over the water tank
and then drain the water tank, fly off, and basically
he told the farm the farmer what had happened. But

(40:20):
I can't remember the specifics of that one. And but that, yeah,
I mean there's an association there, definitely with water. It
makes you wonder whether these entities are actually from all
water planets, because they'd have to you know, obviously it'd
have to have and maybe life, all life is connected

(40:40):
to water on throughout the universe.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Well, I think too, that makes us this particular planet
extremely unique. I mean, we must stand out, you know,
in the universe and the Solar System, in the greater
deeper space, there's something rather odd because well this you
know the nature of us in our relationship to water.

(41:04):
I mean most human beings, adults are about sixty percent water,
but newborn babies are well over eighty percent water.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
There's other planets that are just entirely water planets, you know,
just so you've got no land poking above the ocean.
It's you know, there's just some planets like that. Apparently
some of the astronomers are saying that they're water worlds.
So we're lucky we've got land, otherwise we'd be swimming.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
That was a dis I mean. The interesting thing is,
here's an article from nineteen seventy through and I just
love I've subscribed to that newspapers dot com and what
a brilliant site that is to do research. But you know,
here we are. I think since the birth of ufology
in the twentieth century, in the mid forties, there there's

(41:56):
always been reports of usos. These photos were they came
out during this whole disclosure. Do you remember these that
were taken by the Navy. They're quite astounding shots and
they weren't just still shots, they were moving shots. And
one of these things too, I've never read this book.

(42:18):
I'll need to I'll need to find it, you know,
because I think there is some strong relationship and then
this author that we love, Preston Dinnett's that's brought out,
you know, but there was some extremely strong relationship with
the water and the UFO, which will now get me

(42:41):
into the next section. I want to discuss with you,
and I'm sorry, I'm throwing topics out of you out
of nowhere. So you've the public. You have had no
chance to research anything were discussing.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
You're doing it, and you're doing well.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
And that very much. Now evidently in the advent of AI,
if we were to look and at look at open AI,
generative AI and chat byt GPT, one hundred word email

(43:17):
generated by AIS equivalent to at least one liter of
water one bottle of water. So water is cooled. They
are water colled, these servers and these data factories to
an extraordinary level. And fresh water is now becoming like

(43:39):
a very valued commodity on this planet.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
It's always been a valued commodity.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
And I'm starting to really wonder about you know, these
server farms that are going up overnight, that are taking
up agricultural land and a lot of them are getting
into countries like show.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
People who shouldn't paint can paint. People who shouldn't be
writing books can write books.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
People that shouldn't be making movies can make movies.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, any way, you know what I mean. Look, the
point I was getting to here is like, and a
lot of people will say, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
If you can't construct your own email, you shouldn't be
writing emails anyway exactly.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
But water is ules used to an excessive extent in
the cooling of these server farms, these data farms, which
you're going to have to go up. And you know,
our friend and yours, Elon Musk, created one of the
largest ones in Memphis. It's out of control and it's
for the Grock GPT or whatever it is that is

(44:49):
run by Grock. I think it is g r O
should be gr Okay, thank you, you've got me right.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
The interesting thing is that has actually been powered by
another supercomputer call Colossus.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
The Form Project.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah. Do you remember that film?

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Watched that film. It's all there.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
It's all in that movie predicting pop culture. So if
it's not this water, which is so essential, and I mean,
they're actually going into places like Chili, which has got
relax laws when it comes to that stuff. And there
is so many of these server farms down in Chile
that they have groups down there. Mosso Cat is one

(45:34):
of them that is actually trying to stop Google and
all these companies just going down there and building these
gigantic servers that are cooled by water and all sorts
of things. They're also cooled by fans and turbines and
stuff like that. But a lot of people are saying
water is not the major problem. The major problem environmentally

(45:55):
is the power that is being taken away and how
much power off the grid it needs to run this stuff. Now,
we did a lecture for UFO Research with David Thrussell,
who was insistent to me that many times that I
was a bit like Don Quixote and screaming at windmills

(46:16):
with uphology. And he believes that the alien invasion, the
invasion of this planet, I don't like that word, is
going to occur through artificial intelligence. An artificial intelligence.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Now it's going to be the ruination of.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Is absorbing you know, you know we're building to this extent.
How do you see that? Do you see any relationship
where AI plays into the whole europhological thing or am
I just sort of screaming into the air here, Roger,
have you ever on this.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Is going to be extremely off the c because I
haven't even heard of anything and association. But basically, all
I can say about AI is that AI is not well,
it is artificial intelligence and a sense of the word,
but it's it just it's a machine which gathers information

(47:10):
and puts that information together. But the thing is that
it sources it from a database. So if it's not
on the database, it can't source it or can't make
sense of it. So and to your question about how
the invasion of the planet could come from an extraterrestrial

(47:34):
life form through AI, it's a possibility I've never considered.
But yeah, they're saying that. My personal opinion is that
UFOs are actually nuts and bolts craft, but they get
here using very tricky technology in terms of you know,

(47:58):
being able to miniplade space time. But other people saying,
you know, like that they're they're coming here as a virtual,
virtual craft in terms of holographic principles, which I find
hard to believe because if we have crashes, you know,

(48:20):
how do they how do they not? How can they
not avoid a crash if you're a holo you know,
holo holographic in like.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
I mean, I mean, as you were saying before, the
Lord is a moral case. You know, there's markings in
the ground, roswell there, there's physical impact with this stuff.
But you know what, when when we when we look
into cryptied research and the parallel hominide and big foot

(48:50):
in the HOWI we find incredible similarities there where there
is this extraordinary physicality that can be felt, seen and smelt,
touched and then at other.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Time and then it disappears.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
There's this incredible anomalous nature to it where all of
a sudden people are speaking about they had big foot
in the house and it just vanished in front of
their eyes. Now, I've read so many reports that I
just can't discount either of them, but they both. When
you put the two together, they're paradoxical. They in a

(49:25):
way sort of remove the validity of both of them.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
But I've got to take the capabilities. I mean, you've
seen it. I've seen footage of like where they break down,
you know, film footage, and you can see it in
a frame and then in the next two frames, there's
nothing there, and then in a third frame it reappears,

(49:50):
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (49:51):
So, and that's happening in like an eighteenth twenty.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
It happens all the time. It happens all the time.
So I don't doubt that these things have it's a capability.
It's you know, when we say it's an anomalist, it's
just that we don't understand how it works. And so
to us it's like, you know, paranormal or you know,
it's magic or supernatural or whatever it is. It's just

(50:16):
that we don't understand that technology. That one moment it's
there and you can touch it and feel it and
smell it. You know, you can, you can you know,
you can get the radiation off it and all kinds
of things, and then the next minute it's just vanished,
you know. So it's because we don't understand the technology
is Yeah, it's it's it's just something that we haven't

(50:38):
discovered yet. Just you know, just because we haven't discovered
doesn't mean that it doesn't exist and that it's not
a possibility.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
I truly believe though, and I've read hundreds of cases
where there is physic physical ramifications, and soil has changed,
there's indents there. So how did you dispute that having
an impact on three dimensional reality? You can't. But then
there's this paradoxical moment where it appears to be operating

(51:09):
on another level completely is that level beyond our comprehension?

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Otherwise we comprehend it.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
It's it's really interesting because because I'm like almost ninety
nine point nine nine nine percent sure that non human
intelligence has interacted with us, and I've been looking at
this for close to fifty years. That's without a doubt.
Like there might be some you know, point zero zero

(51:42):
zero zero zero doubt in my mind, but almost one
hundred percent it's here and it's interacted with us. The
problem is that it's it's hard to get that evidence,
not because we don't have it, it's because it's so
deeply entrenched in you know, like in in the like

(52:06):
the stove piping of the material, and one would say,
one would wonder, look, how do they do that? You know,
how do they how do they collect this material if
it's crashed, and how they collect the biologics and how
do they keep such a secret? Well they haven't, they haven't,
you know, that's why we know about Roswell, That's why

(52:27):
we know about Kingman, That's why we're making other crashes.
It's come out. The thing is that once it's obtained
by the government, that's it. You know, they completely put
a lid on it and it'll take an act of
God to get it out to the public. But you know,

(52:51):
when it happens, if there are witnesses, you know, it
gets recorded and you know, like we've got the evidence.
You know, people have cited things, people have interacted with,
you know, like I mean, they've picked up the material,
they've done all this, they've actually been there, experienced it,
seen it. But once the lead's put on it, that's it.

(53:14):
And so it's like you say, it's paradoxical. We see
all this stuff, we know it's here, but where is
the physical evidence? And so you saw like you're in
two minds about you know, like I mean, if so
many people have seen so much staff, why isn't there
anything definitive. It's because the actual definitive material, which is

(53:37):
you know, the actual bodies and the craft or bits
of it, has had a very tight lid on it
because it's been confiscated and it's as I said, you know,
like it had taken act of God to actually get
out into the public, which is what we're trying to do.
This is what Congress is trying to do in the
United States with the whistle blowers. I mean, you know,

(53:57):
you can only go to a certain degree with whistle
blowers because it's just it actually is hearsay, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
But you know, he saved from some of the most
credentialed people in the world in charge of national security
addressing the president on a daily basis, how much higher
can we go?

Speaker 2 (54:17):
They want it from the president's and you and.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
I know that's not even that aspect, not even from
the president's mouth. Even if the President came up to
your Perdiman said, yep, you're right, you know, like what
you were thinking about you first. Yeah, they're real. There'd
be a lot of debunkers and schedule.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
It's going to be the people that don't believe the
people that don't believe it. I'm not going to believe
it because what it would take then is for those
people to have their whole world view. They will have
to alter and read think everything that they know, everything
that they believe. You know what I mean and that's
really confronting for some people. That's really extremely that so adamant,

(55:01):
you know what I mean, The whole life is based
on whatever it is that they study or whatever that
they believe. They just can't let go of that and
go what I've been wrong all this time? I've been
believing what you've been telling me, and now you're telling
me it's not.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
It's like lemmings, you know.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
They wouldn't be And there we go. Let's go with
the lemming.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Can you know the trouble with that too, that was
that was a myth, not real, creative.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
I know it's not real.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
And here it lies the rub sometimes, I think, Roger,
we are looking at a physical reality. Here we are
looking at another form of consciousness. Is that consciousness part
of us? Has it been part of this planet from
day one? Or is this consciousness coming from outside of

(55:56):
this the consciousness?

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Well, you know what if you then go in to
the abduction scenario, right, which you know, if this is
has a.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Lot of paranormal aspects.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Absolutely, But if this is, you know, if this is real,
then why isn't that real? Right? A lot of people
have had that and they've been traumatized by it and
all kinds of things happen. Then for them to be
able to you know, they take because the whole thing
is that they're taking our DNA, you know, our eggs
and our sperm, and they're you know, you think the

(56:30):
hybrid of making hybrids and stuff. Then they would have
to be compatible to us. Otherwise, do you know what
I mean? They wouldn't be able to create. So there
would have to be some sort of a relationship with
us that they're of the same DNA as we are.
Otherwise it would unless they have DNA technology that can

(56:52):
go beyond species and just create whatever they want, you
know what I mean. So it just opens a WS.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
There can I chime in there?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Yes, So you brought up a really interesting aspect, which
is you know, like gone through my mind for several
years and basically, yeah, DNA could be universal. In other words,
your four bases grindine, adenine, thime in, cytosine, you know,
to make up a double spiral DNA could be universal.
I mean it's just like, okay, you know, you get

(57:27):
carbons universal in all our elements universal. You can find
hydrogen everywhere we can find So it makes sense that
you know evolution, if you know it goes down the
least path of complexity, it wants to like evolution. It's

(57:47):
like the I think it's the second law of thermodynamics.
It basically it wants the shortest path to create, you know,
a life form that can actually then create and make
more of itself. And so perhaps DNA as a double
spiral of those with those particular bases is the like

(58:14):
key to life in the universe, not just this planet.
If that's the case, yes, they can interbreed with us.
If not. If not, well then it's impossible. Basically you can't.
You can't, you know, intermingle genes with two different types
of DNA, especially if the bases are different, you won't

(58:36):
get them joining. You know, different bases don't join because
they've got triple bonds.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Some can join and then but then they can't breed.
It's like the mule. You know, you can get a
horse or.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
No, but that's different. That's different. That's that's I'm talking
about the actual basic structure of DNA. So DNA makes genes,
but the genes are all made of the same DNA.
Is that if the DNA is different, So for example,
you've got an RNA has got a different, different base
base that DNA doesn't have, right, But if you've got

(59:09):
a different molecule in one of your base pairs of
a DNA, you cannot, you cannot. There's no way that anything,
any sort of genetic engineering can occur, can happen because
it's a different base Okay, So so basically it cannot occur.

(59:30):
So perhaps, and this is one of my my pet theories,
is that the humans like humanoid form is the key
form body form throughout the universe that enables intelligent life
forms to create civilizations in like like ouse and travel

(59:51):
into stellar spoke to distellar space planets. And perhaps DNA
is also universal. I mean, you know this, this rubbish about
you know, different life forms looking completely different to us
is just science fiction. I mean, I think Neil de
grassy Tyson was asked that one day. He was saying,

(01:00:13):
he was saying, why do our aliens all look humanoid?
And I thought, well, why not. He's not a biologist,
he's an our sto physicist apparently. Sorry, but you know,
I have my reservations when it comes to him. But
but basically, there is no reason why we can't have

(01:00:40):
things like DNA like life forms that that are specific
to a particular niche.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Like that's the default. So that's the most basic the default.
You know, head eyes know, you know, a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Nervous system, a central nervous system that's elevated off the ground.
So we're not we're not on all fours where bipetle,
so bipeedle could be number one thing, hands and fingers
to manipulate your environment. You know, a central nervous system
and basically bilateral symmetry, so if you cut me down

(01:01:23):
the middle on the same both sides rather than RAI
radial symmetry. All of the evolution has tried all of
this on Earth, right, nature has tried all this on Earth.
In the very early Precambrian era, natural evolution tried rated

(01:01:43):
symmetrical animals, which still exist, but they can only go
to a certain evolutionary point where they can't progress beyond,
you know, to become something intelligent. And also they tried,
you know, like different body forms to actually create different animals.
You know, they've got their own niche which they belong in,

(01:02:05):
but they can't progress to what we've done, which if
you can call this progress you know, I mean space
travel sometimes you really wonder, But yeah, I mean, I
don't know. This is my theory.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
I think that's a really fascinating valid theory, and I
think that I haven't really heard that myself before.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
That's because it's my theory.

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
Oh okay, you brigged me then, Because in the late
seventies when I left home, I went to I went
to Newtown, Camperdown, and I trained as a nurse at
raw Prince Albert Hospital and I was the last group
of nurses to be trained in the hospital in situ
and underneath the nursing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Home of like eight hundred women and three men. Couldn't
you believe that there was, you know, the training area
and there they actually showed you that symmetry in real
time with people's whose bodies were donated to science. You
had the half man the half woman that stood upright

(01:03:15):
in a perspect's case and they would wheel them out
and that was quite confrontational and still sticks in my mind.
Try to actually witnessing an autopsy and the autopsies took
that to a new level. But that symmetry is quite astounding.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Nature's tried fractal symmetry as well,
and in endocrime creatures at one stage, which didn't get
you know, it was it was it was just like
it's just like you are an engineer trying to work
out what's the best shape for this building that I'm building,

(01:03:53):
you know, in this particular area, and it collapses and
I think, oh, we're going to go back to the word,
you know. I mean, it's all trial and error, and
evolution does a lot of trial and error as well.
But I think that the the humanoid form and this
is why we're seeing. I believe what we're seeing entities
in shaped very much like ourselves. They don't look like us,

(01:04:18):
but they're not a central nervous system that's elevated. They've
got two arms that are you know, like you don't
have to use them for walking, you ambilitary purposes. You
use them to manipulate your environment. I mean, we've got dolphins,
which are intelligent creatures, but they're restricted, they're in water.
They don't have two arms to manipulate environment.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
They're never going to be able to need No, they're
never going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
They're never going to be but so so basically, you know,
even elephants, you know, They've got a very very large brain,
much larger than mouths, and they have complex creatures, they
have emotions, they have all this here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
But they are limited in what they can do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
They're limited, They're limited. So I believe that basically the
humanoid form is universal in terms of intelligence that can
planet hop because of the fact that this is the key,
this is the key to get you know, never created us.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Well, you just can't down I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Look how destructive we are, look how horrible we are
to each other.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
But then there's people like Roger who are the opposite
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
You don't know the people that we don'tiller at home.
You know what, I see lots. I see lots of
people that do really really good things, do amazing things
out there all the time. But it doesn't matter how
much good those people can do. Unfortunately, it's the people
that are in power that that make this will go round.

(01:05:58):
And if those people that are in power are not
good people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Power is a drug and you you are diverting us
from the from the discussion here. I think tonight where
we have resolved that issue with the nssay at your
lecture and expect a phone call anytime now. To go
to an underground, secret base, maybe close to you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
And explain yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
I think the the whole point when I was discussing
this afternoon with an environmentalist, this notion about water and
the environmental impact of AI is going to be quite extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Well report you know the other day about Melbourne and
how these data places are being built, and now they're
going to have to start thinking about how they're going
to be getting water, especially when more and more and
more of them are going to be built, how they're
going to have to in the future where the water
is going to come from, because they're going to start

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cut into drinking water falls.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
A lot of people believe that these companies ais get
going to actually bring about some resolution to our water crisis.
But they also believe that a lot of these systems
are just cooling and that that water is recycled or
taken back out and put into the environment. But if
it's dumped back into the environment, it's going to go out.

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That it's going to go out a lot hotter than
water did when it came out of that environment, and
it's going to cause environmental changes. But some of these
centers are so large and they're in such rural areas
that they can't be just cooled down by water alone.
And I think the one in Memphis, Elon Musk has
got around the law there by bringing in gas turbines

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that are cooling it down partially as well as with water.
But those gas turbines are all on movable trucks, right,
so they're not being an actual installation there. They can
get around the lord to say at any stage this
is just temporary and they're going to go. But the
one thing that struck me at the end of this
conversation I was having, and I think the power impact

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is going to be the worst thing environmentally because this
needs so much power, electricity, incredible amount of power, and
a lot of this is going to be carbon based power.
You've got it for AI to be running to the
extent it does. You can't afford to have wind turbines
or solar power because when there's a day when you

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haven't got the wind and you haven't got the sun,
it's all going to come to a big end. So
you've got to make sure you've got carbon based incentivized
power sources around there. And they're talking Google and all
these places talking about building small nuclear power.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Plants possibly go wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
But you know what they said, you know, with water
running out of supply, and I'm sorry we've ranted so
much during this discussion because it's supposed to be an
interview with you. They said, what about you can when
we run out of fresh water? And then they said,
have you seen the Amiga man? Have you seen soilent green?

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
That's soilent green?

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Yeah, so that and I said, what do you mean
by that? Who goes, well, you're sixty percent. I mean
you're an old man. Now, you're like a stud prune.
But a big fifty percent of you is water the
babies already percent we're going to start using us.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Awesome. Let's you know what it is? Idaho Transfer?

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Yeah, film?

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Have you ever seen that film? It's one of the
most Peter Fonda did it after directorial and it was
a science fiction film about people transporting themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Into into the future. The future has.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Become Idaho transfer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
It's called Idaho transfert I think nineteen seventy four. Peter
Fonda did it. Was this persp man Yeah, no, yeah, yeah,
that's with Charlton Heston.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
You've seen where humans become food have you seen that one.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
No, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Oh really, you need to see that one. They were
supposed to be in twenty twenty something around this time.
I think twenty five was supposed to be again it was, yes,
I'm sure he was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Sorry. Cultural things coming through here, it's the movie show
coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Look, you know, Solon Green is like, there's no more
food now. People have become the food source, you know
what I mean, because there's plenty of us, so you know,
we need to reduce the population anyway, But Idaho Transfer
is they've gone these young kids and they're the only
ones that can travel to the future through these machines
to study the planet and what's happened to it after

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some catastrophe, right, and when they go into these machines
backwards and forwards to study what's come back, so a
few snakes and lizards and things like that. They become
sterile from going through that machine, so the older people
can't do it anymore. When the young people don't know

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they're becoming sterile.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
But at the end, are you going to spoil it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
I'm going to spoiler who's going to find Idaho Transit?
Oh okay, well then, well, anyway, in the end, one
of these girls goes way way into the future. She's
trying to get away from these people, and she's ends
up in that same spot where she was. But now
there's this road there and this car comes along.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
It looks like the Cybertrock.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
It does look like the cyber Troll. And they stop.
The man gets out, picks her up and puts her
in the back, in the boot, and that's where the
fuel tank is, and she's now the fuel and the
little girl in the back. Yeah, and the little girl
in the back says, what are we going to do
when she's run out? And they said, we'll probably find

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another one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Oh god. And on that note, you have just world
I know her transfer. Anyway, it was a failure of
the box office. But it's quite a remarkable, amazing film. Yeah. Well,
I don't know if you call it that, but it was.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Peter Fone was independent. That's why I didn't get the
push after.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
His writer with Dennis hop Up. Dennis had run all
over him, so he went and did this independent film. Anyway,
I don't know where we're leaving this conversation, but Roger,
we can't thank you enough for your time. Oh you will,
and I think you did an extraordinary job with move On.
How can people find you and report? Are you apological incident?

(01:12:41):
To move on in Australia don't?

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
They could just google move on and should come up.
The page should come up and basically if you do
see a UAP or UFO, same thing but google move
on em FO and some people call it mwphon pronounce
it me. But so once it comes up, you just
go onto that web page and then basically it'll have

(01:13:06):
a red tab saying report a UFO and then just
go through this process of logging in your details. Always
put a name there, otherwise we can't do the case.
I've had a couple of cases recently where people have
even not put their name in and we can't. We
can't continue on, we can't analyze the case because I
can't actually edit the car. I can't get into the

(01:13:28):
case going to put your name there. You don't have
to put your address there. We need a telephone number
or an email address, because otherwise how we're going to
get onto you. You know, because everyone that reports a
UFO to US, we contact them and investigate it. Not
all UFO organizations do that. They just take on the

(01:13:49):
report and then just publish it or just you know, say, oh,
so and so seen somebody something in the sky. But
we actually analyze it, We actually use our our you know,
the way we've been taught. We've got skills, we've got software,
we've got the ability to be able to and what
we are, we're more so debunkers. We're the biggest debunkers

(01:14:12):
on the planet. So just wait a second. So what
I mean by that is that if somebody reports something
to us, we try and work out what it is
in terms of a prosaic thing. So we've got to
eliminate all these things to say, okay, we've done our work,
but we cannot we still don't know what it is.

(01:14:32):
We've done. We've looked at you know, all these different software.
We've looked at flight right R twenty four, we've looked
at web track. We can't say it's a plane. We
can't say it's a satellite. We can't say it's a bird.
We don't it's not lens flair. So what we call
it an unknown So we don't call them UFOs until
something lands on this planet and we actually have the

(01:14:54):
physical the physical craft or the actual pieces of it
or the actual entities. Then we call it a UFO.
It's not a UFI could call it an extraterrestrial craft
with entities in it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Fair well, you're not debunkers. You're not debunkers. You go
through and you eliminate everything that it isn't And if
you come to something and say, I know this is
what it is. We found that this is this, then
you will say it that's not the bundle. A lot
of the lot of clearing it up, we will.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Yeah, a lot of the time we will work out
that it actually was a plane, a satellite, a celestial object,
a bird and insect, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,
a drone. Some of the times we will find out
five ten percent of the time, well where we will
cannot pin it down. We can't work out what it is.

(01:15:46):
And so what it is that you know, not many
things have the ability to fly. You know, it's something
called gravity. So basically, if it's up in the air,
it's either got to have the ability to fly or
something that's like out of this world.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
So you know, I think the other thing is, you know,
as researchers, this is not a faith for us This
is not a question of believing when you've sat down
and you've interviewed personally, and it doesn't have to be credentials.

(01:16:23):
But we've all ended up interviewing credential people pilots, and
I've interviewed military pilots. I've interviewed submit in pilots. And
when you look at these people that know what they're
talking about, way beyond what I could even comprehend, and
they're telling you what they saw does not fit the
pattern of what they know reality to be, you instantly

(01:16:47):
it's a knowledge. You've gained a knowledge, and I feel
on myself, if I go to my deathbed without experiencing
another anonymous event, I still know that there is so
so much more than this reality than what we're led
to believe, and that I feel that those people are
incredibly sincere. I'm going to sat down and had lunch

(01:17:09):
with Travis Walton. That must be one of the most
air type cases of abduction in the world. The man
was taken away for days, his friends were all under
suspicion for his murder or death. He definitely had post
traumatic stress disorder from him, but he remembered very clearly
twenty minutes with two different forms of hominin hominin you know,

(01:17:35):
human walls. One was short and small and bonking. The
other one was very much like us. So I don't
put that down to belief. I don't put that down
to wishful thinking. I put that down to I know
it's real.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Yeah, let me say one thing. Let me say one thing, sir,
it's interrupted, But this planet is proof that complex intelligent
life that can actually manipulate its environment and get from
one planet to its satellite. We are proof that it

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can be done. And so if we are proof for
God's sake, I mean, we would have to be out
of our minds to think that we are the only
life form in this universe. You'd have to be bonkers.
You'd have to be so up yourself, honestly. I mean,

(01:18:31):
give me a break. I mean, the trouble is literally
billions of life forms out there. Surely one of them
would have worked out a way of getting here, you know,
Like I mean, you know some of them. Are you
going to have a civilization that's a million years old,
a billion years old?

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
I mean it just it just frustrates me that the debunker.
I don't care about it anymore. To be honest, I don't.
I don't listen to them, I don't interact of them.
But that, you know, like it's it's so narrow minded
and so so ridiculous an argument to say that, you know,
where the only life form in the whole universe, you know,
it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
But even to say even if they say, are there's
other life forms out there? But you know, because we
can't get here, because we can't go further than wherever
have we been? Right, yeah, then that means that satellite Yeah,
but no, I'm talking about physically, okay, just because you know,

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we've only been so far, that means that they haven't
been any further either. That's saying that they're on the
same level as we are, you know, and that's just
crazy to do that. But if you just don't know,
like you said, there could be you know, civilizations out
there that are a million years old. Who knows where

(01:19:56):
we if we survive that, you know conundrum? Yeah, who
knows where we're going to be in a million years?

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
So yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
We're also a species with our limitations. We see in
the infrared spectrum probably the least amount of any living
life on the planet. I mean, it's amazing what birds
and other animals might be able to see in the
environment around us that we never perceived to be there.

(01:20:31):
So I think there's lots of things to take into consideration.
Sometimes I feel like we are the tadpole in a
glass of water and someone puts their finger into that
glass of water, and whether they know the environment's been affected,
but do they know that it's by a finger of
a conscious being that's doing that. It's like looking at

(01:20:54):
a fourth dimensional object in a third dimensional reality, you know,
crop circles have a great feeling of that there's something
way more complex here that we may never grasp. But
what I want to thank you for is just such
active discourse, letting us run right over the top of
you with our own excitement as well, and just your

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generosity and your spirit. And take good care Roger, and
just quickly what's coming up for you?

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Got a I did a contrace, Sorry, I did a
talk in Melbourne recently on that on the crash, the
UFO trip that we did the crash sorry U crash
site trip, and I'm doing another one in Cardwell in
Queensland on August. The you I'm going to look at

(01:21:46):
my flight information ninth ninth of August, which is not
far from cans It's about two and a half hours
south of cans So I'm going up there and doing
a talk there. And otherwise I'm extremely busy doing other things.

(01:22:07):
And i haven't been keeping up to date with what's
been going on in the UFO world for the last
couple of months because I've been just extremely busy. But
I'll get back into it. But yeah, so that's all
I'm doing at the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
That's where i have to thank you too. You've got
a very sick mother that you've been looking after, and
we send all your love to her and yourself, and
we so appreciate the generosity of your time. Thank you
for being part of this endless podcast that we're going
to fall back on you on the future for if
you don't mind, it's episode one hundred and twenty three.

(01:22:42):
Rogers Tanking, Big Reducts hto and the UFO exactly, and
we really adore you, Roger, take good care and.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
To all hours. Thank you so much having.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
It's a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
J C.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Simon, Malcolm, all those people all over the world bullying.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Take good care and more. Catch up with you very soon.
You've been part of the Untold Radios down South and
normally is okay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Now because of the change, I don't know what's going
to happen when I hit the end of recording. No,
last time I hit outro, it hit it twice. It
played it twice. So I'm going to hit the end
of recording. If it just ends and dies, well then yeah,
there's no outro this week. If it does, then you

(01:23:32):
know that'll be great because they won't cut off. No, no, no,
we're finished now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Yeah, streams on Saturday. What happens?

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
All right, kids, We will be back in a fortnight's
time at this time with another interview hopefully or a report. Okay,
we'll be back.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
Bye there you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Flight the other