Monsters on the Edge #127 High Strangeness in Eastern Tennessee with guest Harley Owens

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Good morning, Monsters, and welcome to this week's episode of
Monsters on the Edge. Here on the Untold Radio Network.
I am your host, Barnaby Jones from Cryptid's Anomalies and
the Paranormal Society. Letting you guys know here right away
that today's episode is pre recorded. So if you guys
are watching this live on YouTube as we normally do,
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why we are not here in studio today. Coming up,
guys this October, if you want to come out and
do some investigating with my team, we have investigations all
October long on Sundays, Mondays and Tuesdays at bean Snappers
Haunted Gentlemen's Club. That's right, guys, we are going to

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be doing paranormal investigations. The building is over one hundred
years old, passed down for four generations before finally being
sold outside of the family in nineteen ninety three. There
is all kinds of paranormal activity and it has been
featured on the television series My Haunted Hometown. So if
you're interested in coming out and having a spooky good
time this October, head on over to Haunted bean Snappers

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dot com and get all the information. I'm going to
be speaking at the Shanno County Library, the Brownsville Public Library,
and the Nina Public Library this October sixteenth, twenty second,
and twenty fifth, respectively. If you want more information on
these events, head on over to wisconsincaps dot com and

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click on the public events page. And we are doing
paranormal exploring the paranormal followed by paranormal investigations of the library.
So I know for a fact that the Brownsville Library
and the Shanno Library have both reported paranormal activity in
these locations. So if you're interested in that, head on

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over to our page and check that out. I want
to remind you all again we are pre recorded today.
With that being said, let's introduce our guest joining us

(05:14):
on today's show. He was raised in the ruggin At
rugged Appalachian region of East Tennessee. Harley Owens began as
a typical, hard working blue collar worker and evid outdoorsman, hunting, fishing,
and exploring forested woodland areas. But on September twenty third,
twenty twenty, a startling encounter at the Sawmill near Pound, Virginia,

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shook his worldview. He discovered massive footprints, photographed an unknown,
large haircovered creature, and heard eerie inhuman vocalizations. This experience,
captured in a single shaky photo before his phone died,
spurred a three year hiatus from the woods until Thanksgiving

(05:57):
twenty twenty three, when he mustered the courage to return
and overcome what he thought was a fear of Bigfoot.
Since reclaiming his path, Harley has fully embraced field research
head on. He's captured additional evidence, footprints, photos, and audio
documenting multiple encounters with Bigfoot and even dog Man in

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the Smoky Mountains. His work is rooted in authenticity and transparency,
as he shares first hand findings without sensationalism. Harley founded
Bigfoot Reports and Data, a community driven group on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok,
and YouTube dedicated to gathering and analyzing crypted sightings and
evidence from Appalachia. He's a sought after guest on cryptok

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atop focused podcasts such as Strangelogy and The Confessionals, as
well as YouTube series like Beyond BMR and Bigfoot Society,
where he discusses his encounters, field techniques, and his journey
from skeptism to active researcher, and he joins us today
please well relead to the show welcome man. How are

(07:02):
you doing?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Ah? Man, hanging in like a hair on a biscuit?
Tired from work. But hey, you know, it's just part
of the territory and I'm glad we could be here
and do this pre record, you know. Unfortunately we couldn't
do it live or nothing like that because my crazy
work schedule. So we're making it happen here tonight.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Absolutely, I'm excited. I'm not so excited about that hair
on the biscuit though, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Uh, it's just another thing. It's this other thing, biscuits.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Next time I'm down there.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Then. Well it's a saying, you know. I mean, that's
just how I was brought up and raised. You know,
We've always got these sayings. And you know, the saying
that I really never believe in growing up was that
you better watch out for the boogers. And well I've
I've since learned that the boogers are out there. Would you?

Speaker 4 (07:49):
So, did you have any interest in those before you
you had this encounter?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
No? No, I thought it was just the biggest crocod
bs there ever was. And h September twenty third, twenty
twenty and changed all that for me. But there was
an instance when I was younger. I was like maybe ten,
from ten to twelve years old, somewhere in that range.
I was out helping my dad split firewood one night

(08:15):
and we heard what sounded like a big cat screaming,
and he was telling me, that's a panther, and I
was like, okay, so I'm going inside. You know, black
panthers have been stories that I've always heard about here
in Appalacha, East Tennessee and all around. And so the
one I'll never forget was my sixth grade history teacher.
He was out on a date with his little girlfriend
at the time, and they were on a road called

(08:37):
Stinking Creek and they pulled off and all of a sudden,
this big black cat jumps up on the hood and
it's sitting there looking in the car at them with
these big yellow eyes. And so that was what really
made me begin to understand a comprehend. You know, these
big black cats are out there. You know, some people
my dad worked with has got pictures of them on

(08:57):
trail camera or heard them or seen them, you know.
So that was really the only thing that I took seriously.
And then I was probably about thirteen or fourteen somewhere
in that age, and we had some hogs that were
getting ready to take to the slaughterhouse to get some meat,
and we had fifteen or sixteen of them and they

(09:18):
were all arrange abot two hundred fifty three hundred pounds,
and one night the hogs just started going crazy. The
dogs were going crazy, and Dad was like, well, I'll
just go check on them in the morning, he told
my mom, And that next morning my dad went down
there to check on him, and he came back up
to the house because I was getting ready for school,
and he said, you need to come help me bury
these hogs. And I said, bury the hogs. He said, yeah,

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every one of them's dead, just torn to shreds. Weren't
even eating on just un alive for sport essentially, And
I was like, well, that's that's weird. And still this day, like,
you know, I've never seen anything like it. These just
huge claw marks on these hogs, and just why would
something to do that and not eat them. And so

(10:03):
it was either that same day when we lost the
hogs or the day after there was apparently a bigfoot
that was shot in Georgia and they stuffed it in
the freezer chest, and then it turned out to be
a big hoax, and then that was like, Okay, you know,
this is all just a bunch of bull crap. You know,
these things aren't real, and so I never really thought
anything about it. Going through high school, you know, I

(10:25):
competed on a high school fishing team. I fished all
four years for Campbell County High School, got some hardware
in the school trophy case. I competed at a national level.
Then it came to graduating high school. I didn't want
to go off to college, although I had some colleges
that wanted me to come fish on their fishing team,
and I just said take with it. You know. I
wanted to get straight to work start making money, and

(10:48):
my dad wanted me to go into Lineman's school, and
I didn't want to do what my dad had done.
Well here I am, now I'm doing it. But at
that point in time, I just went to work for
my parents. They had auction company named Tristate Auction Realty.
What we've done was we travel around these sawmills in
the middle of nowhere and auction them off. And that

(11:10):
was how I came to have my encounter with a bigfoot. Wow.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Wow, that's that's amazing. So I'd like to go back
here before we get into this other stuff and talk
a little bit about the black cats, because this is
this is a cryptid that I mean, it's out there.
I mean, this is the epitome of cryptid. It's not
necessarily always a bigfoot or you know, lake monsters and
all these that we think of. It's creatures that don't
exist that do And there are so many sightings of

(11:41):
these things. So looking forward now, in all of your
research of bigfoot and the dog man and stuff, now,
have you come across any other evidence, any other sightings
reports of these things down there?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Oh? Yeah, I've found footprints. I've found where they've actually
dug dur nails into the trees and like scratched the trees.
And I've heard them too, like that, when you hear
a big cat, you know, it's not like a bobcat.
It's something that's a lot bigger than a bobcat. And
I mean every hair on your I mean your hairs
will stand up for a bobcat. But when you hear
a bigger cat, it's like you know that it's time

(12:14):
to get out of there, and there's there's another story
that hit real close to home. One of my cousins,
she lived up on a mountain and she went outside
to go smoke a cigarette and she heard something slightly
stepping up towards her. And there's a little bit of
a little knoll behind her house, and she's seen eyes

(12:36):
reflecting from her porch light, and then she turned on
her flashlight and looked and it was a big old
black cat just laying there watching her. And she took
off inside, running and screaming, and by the time they
got back out, it was gone. So I know they're
out there there, you're And here's the funny thing. So
a buddy of mine is a game warden. I said,

(12:57):
you know, if I see one of these things, I
can shoot it right.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Oh no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
I was like, so they're not here. I can't answer that,
and so it's like, Okay, they're here. Then he's like,
I guess they are. And so, and that's the same
thing with the mountain lions. You know, they reintroduced mountain
lions back here, you know, but nobody really talks about it,
and it's just like, you know, why why are they
reintroducing the mountain lions. You know, they reintroduced elk back

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in the late nineties on Hatfield Knob here in east
in East Tennessee, and uh, that was that was another
thing that was really interesting to me, is bringing back
the elk. But now the elk are pretty much everywhere.
You know, you can drive down the roads now and
you'll see elk everywhere, and they do a draw hunt

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for people to be able to hunt them. And so
it makes you wonder like, did they bring them back
out here for these big cats to predate on you know,
I mean, yeah, I could see them predating on white tails,
but you know, elk that's a that's a meteor food source.
And now they're everywhere, and so it's like, you know,
there's something out here hunting these elk and these deer.

(14:04):
You know, it's not just a bear or a pack
of coyotes. There's other predators that's out here hunting these things.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
So, I mean East Tennessee and Tennessee and stuff is
still kind of farther north, kind of mid But do
you think that these things are black cougars or do
you think that they're jaguars coming up? Because we know,
we know scientifically there are black jaguars or melanistic jaguars.
It's the cougars that are the debated species. I mean,

(14:34):
we there was just a from filming this episode, there
was actually a jaguar in oh where the heck was it?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Arizona?

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Yeah, I was gonna say Arizona or New Mexico over there.
That was just captured on trail camera. So we know
jaguars come up here. So do you think that these
things are melanistic jaguars or melanistic cougars.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I think it could be a little bit of both, honestly.
And you know, with like an exotic pet market, you
know some of these people probably have them as pets
and then turn them loose. Actually, not too long ago
on Norris Lake and if people have a general area
of where that is in East Tennessee, somebody caught an
alligator while they were fishing. So exotic pets, I mean

(15:18):
when they get too big, people who are going to
turn them loose. I mean, look what happened in Florida.
I know, I mean much less a hurricane caused that,
but I mean people will still when they're those animals
get too big, they're going to turn them loose, and
I could imagine that's the case with some of these
big black cats much less. And you got to think
like if in one generation, you know, a melanistic cougar

(15:40):
comes out, you know, and if you have another, you know,
for the jaguar, you know, who's to say if they
don't read, you know, they'll have black offspring. You know.
So it's just like the gene it's all about the genetics.
And I guarantee you that could cause a lot of it. Interesting.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. With those the alligators up in Wisconsin.
Here we have a right lake and there's actually been
several alligators captured in Rock Lake. And then you have
the whole population of monkeys that live down in Florida
as well that have been released and stuff. So there's
there's a lot of animals that shouldn't be around that

(16:17):
are but that have kind of taken off.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Oh and that's another thing. Back in twenty twenty seventeen
or twenty eighteen, there was a farm up in Clayburne County,
Tennessee that had a bunch of red stag, and those
red stag got loose and then they started competing with
the elk fighting the elk, for it was competition over
the fields and stuff, and then they started lett people

(16:40):
home them and now all the red stag are gone
and now the elk have taken back over. So you know,
when you bring something that's not meant for the ecosystem
to be out there, you know it's going to cause
a lot of environmental issues.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Oh definitely, definitely, man. I mean, and you're talking about
the the breeding, pop population and stuff like that. In deer.
We have white deer up here, and there's a whole
bunch of them in the Wallpaca Wayawega area of Wisconsin here,
and there's a whole ton of white deer in these
herds in that area, not just one, but like you

(17:15):
can see several of them driving down the road. And
I mean, that's that just shows you right there that
the genetics and the reproductive of how these things spread.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
So exactly exactly right. You know, whether they come out
full white or if they come out as like a
piebald and they just have a little bit of white
on them. I mean, it just shows that digenic ging
pool is strong. Yet some of them will be full
albino and some of them.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Well, absolutely very interesting well so you uh okay, so
let us let us move on from the kiddy cats
here and get on to some other stuff. So well,
let me let me bring this from cats to dogs.
So some of these sightings throw my pen. Some of
these sightings of these uh ku of the black cats,

(18:02):
could they be canine creatures as well? Like or or
do you think that those are two totally different things?
Like how how reliable of your witness has been? I mean,
you're you're again writing off one anomaly with another.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
But yeah, so here in East Tennessee, you know, there's
really not too many reports of a large like canine,
you know, down on all fours, but there is reports
of these dog men. There actually was a who was that?

(18:35):
I can't remember. There's somebody that said that they were
heard what was hyenas that from not too close from
where my main research area is. They heard hyenas and
that's literally what they said. They we hear we are
hearing hyaenas every night. And you know it could have
been a coyotes, yes maybe, but they were pretty firm
on we're hearing hyenas. So then you have to go

(18:57):
back and look at like extinct extinct animals Okay, so
you have, of course dire wolves and hyenadons and different
things like that. These are cave hyenas even and then
you have to go wonder, well, are there remnant populations
of these things surviving and living in isolated regions around
the world. Absolutely, it's absolutely possible. And we know we

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know very very little about what actually roams in our wilderness.
I mean, for in the Smoky Mountains, for instance, there's
hollers in there that nobody has ever stepped foot in,
and nobody will ever truly understand what is truly roaming
around in the woods. And you know, there's miles and
miles of fast wilderness. And you know a lot of
people don't really venture too far off the trail. They'll

(19:43):
just stay on the trail. But me, for example, you know,
I go rooking it. I go way way off the trail.
I have my axe, and I'm a shitty and I'll
I'll make my way through there, you know. And I
put my shelf in these places for a reason, you know,
because no man has ever been in here before. You know,
maybe somebody back in like the old times, but you know,

(20:04):
in recent years, you know, I'm probably the only person
that's ever set foot in this place. So there's plenty
of isolated regions in Appalachia that there could be, you know,
these giant canine type creatures. And but you know, there
is a distinct difference, you know, between a cat and
a canon. You know, you you got the long curvy

(20:25):
tail of a cat and then you know the rounded ears,
and then canones you got pwenty years and a straight tail.
So for me for somebody to just you know, say,
if they say they've seen a cat, they seen a cat,
and if they say they've seen a canine, they've seen
a canine, you know. And that's just how I see it,
you know. And when you hear the people talking about

(20:46):
how they see these giants, these giant cats, you know,
they're they're they're firm on it, you know. And there's
there's I know, there's red wolves, but they're they're critically
endangered and actually Colossals Biosciences is trying to build back
up the population since they've brought back a designer dire wolf.

(21:08):
I don't really think it's a true dire wolf. It's
just a wolf that looks like a dire wolf. And honestly,
that's going to be the same way when it comes
to the mammoths. They're just going to be an elephant
that looks like a mammoth. So I don't care how
good they think they are with the extinction there, they're
not going to be pure.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
No, you're absolutely right. It's like you know, like even
looking back at Jurassic Park, everyone you know, it's basically
what it is. And Michael Creighton was very good on
his research when he wrote Jurassic Park. It is very
factual research based on science and stuff. And even there
he says, you know, well, we can't bring back dinosaurs.
We brought back, you know, a designer dinosaur with the

(21:50):
frog DNA and then splicing and stuff, And that's exactly
what bioscience is doing. If they don't have a viable
egg and a viable sperm to create this. I mean,
if you do, more power to you, you're gonna have
the original. But without those two components, you know, or
a full DNA sequence, you're not going to be able

(22:10):
to bring that species back as an authentic species.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, unless, like we said, you know, there is an
isolated population of these things somewhere and they're just not
telling us about this isolated population of these dire wolves
or these mammoths or whatever the case may be. You know, like,
and I don't know if you've ever seen the video,
but there was a video going around of this dog
that was chasing this wolf that was laying down and

(22:37):
then that thing stands up, and that thing was a
lot bigger than a normal wolf. So I tend to
think if that's not a pure dire wolf, that is
something that in the genetics, like gigantism or something like that,
that caused that wolf to be that big. Because that
wolf was it made that dog look puny.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Oh yeah, I have seen that video and that's I've
looked at it, and I don't know, it could be
you know, some side sort of you know, editing or something.
But if it's that's a big boy. So we had,
uh my team had actually gotten to go down to

(23:16):
uh Tennessee and Kentucky and stuff and ben Ham and
Lynch County and stuff. That's where my mom actually saw
a big foot of her own. And right after we
had been down there, I want to say it was
a week or two after that, there was a report
of a dog man an upright K nine right where
we had just been and we're like, oh, man, so

(23:36):
I it's that's crazy. That's crazy stuff down there. And
you're absolutely right, like it's a different world because when
we we my mom had the sighting and we tried
to track it across the road. There's a thing that
you guys got down there called kudzoo yep and uh
you for anybody that hasn't seen it, you would not

(23:58):
believe how you know, one foot off the trail, you
can't see nothing.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
And that's like in the Smokies even you know, there's
the mountain laurels or rhododundra. They're everywhere, you know, and
it's exactly like the kadzu. It doesn't I mean the
kadzu die off during the winter time, but the mountain
laurels they don't. They stay greening around. And it's excellent
cover for any large predator, even even deer for instance.
You know, any kind of prey animal. They're they're gonna

(24:24):
hide in there and stay hidden and you won't even
know they're there. Oh.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Absolutely, absolutely is a different world down there. And this
to point out another thing, you know, like being a
different world down there. I don't think a lot of
the people from you know, Kentucky, Tennessee, are much like
practical jokers or bs ors, you know, like it's kind
of like a no Bs kind of place. If you're
not from these little.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Bible belt man, there's nothing about the truth and the
whole truth.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
So if they see something, they're not gonna they're not
gonna be s you about like, oh yeah, I saw
this down there. They're not even gonna tell you, you know,
with a lot.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Of know they'll keep it hush hush. They won't talk.
They will not talk. And that was me, man, because
I when I had that first encounter, I stopped talking
about it, you know, because I got home and I
faced the most ridicule that I ever faced in my life.
I told my parents about it, you know, I showed
them everything, and they were like, oh, well that's this,
this or this, and it's everything other than what it was.

(25:21):
And then it got to the point of telling my friends.
Well you find out who your friends are. After high school,
everybody knew my truck and they were taking big pictures
or videos of my truck and posted it on social media.
Oh I wonder if he's got bigfoot on his truck
in his truck, you know, because I had big fancy
wheels and tires on my truck. Everybody knew my truck,
so it was like a big joke to them. And

(25:43):
I ended up just shutting up about it. And for
three years, from twenty twenty to twenty twenty three, it
just consumed me. And in August of twenty twenty three,
I woke up one night and I had a nightmare
and my wife was worried about me, and she's asked
me what was wrong, you know, everything that had happened,
and she was like, you know, You've got a story

(26:03):
that needs to be told. And I was like, well,
I don't know how to do it. I don't know
where to go to tell it. And I started looking
and I found Bigfoot Society and that was the very
first Bigfoot podcast that I'd ever done. And it went
from there and I was like, you know, I can
be a voice for somebody, you know, that way they
know they're not alone, you know, because I thought I
was alone. And it went from there and I've done

(26:23):
many many podcasts ever since, and I've loved it. And
I enjoyed meeting everybody, and it's it's in meeting somebody
on a podcast and meeting them in person is exactly
the same in my honest opinion, because you can get
a feel on who they are, and it's exactly I
don't take it for granted one bit because the friendships
I build on the podcast that I go on they've

(26:45):
lasted ever since. And the Bigfoot community is very resilient
and people stick together, and yeah there's some trolls out there,
but the good outnumber the bad in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely so, I wanna We've talked about like
the Kadzoo and how thick this area and stuff is,
so you get out there in these areas and you know,
back on these areas, they're obviously very very hard to
get to. So tell us about like where, not necessarily where,

(27:20):
you don't have to give out specific locations, but where
are you going to look for this stuff? Like what
kind of research area are you interested in? What's the
landscape like, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I'll actually pull up a picture for you to put
on here if you want. Let's see if I can
pull it up. But if what I look for is
an area that's got plenty of covers, so it would
for me it would be the mountain laurels or rhododundra. Uh,
there's gonna there's gotta be some water sources, whether it
be a creek or a small lake anywhere that they're

(27:51):
going to try and remain hidden. Let's see if I
find this picture here, I got see. There's plenty of places.
Let's see. Uh, there is an area that has two
cemeteries where I research at, and there is there's a

(28:15):
lot of high strangers behind it, paranormal stuff orbs, and
what I believe to be feral people in this area.
The feral people are a whole different ballgame, and quite frankly,
I hope I never encounter one of those. But my

(28:36):
stepdaughter's dad actually had an encounter with a feral person
not too far from this area, and he was trout
fishing and he had to fe okay, here we go
right here. So this is kind of an area that
it should be on your end. Now, I think, yeah,

(29:00):
there we go. So I get out, way way way
out in the middle of nowhere, you know, miles miles
away from any trail. And what I do is is
I'll mark my trails and that way I know which
way to go back. And sometimes what I'll do too,
is I'll chalk down some small trees and I'll make

(29:21):
like a little line that I can follow back out.
But anyways, back to the Sparoh person story. So he
was fishing and he had this feeling that he was
being watched, and he turned around and looked, and he's
seen this person peeking out from behind a tree looking
at him, and it hid, and he said that he
went further down the creek away from this thing, and

(29:44):
he started backfishing again, and he really had this feeling
that he was being watched. And about thirty thirty five
feet behind him, he turned around and this buttonneked, mangy
looking human was sitting there right behind and it had
one of its arms behind its back, and he was
sitting there looking at him, and he said, the next

(30:05):
thing it done, it threw down a big rock and
it took off running away from him. And he said,
he left his fish and he took off running two
And you know, the thing with me was, you know,
I was pretty firm that he had seen a bigfoot,
and I was like, are you sure it wasn't a bigfoot?
He said, no, this was a person. He said, it
was a butt naked, mangy, dirty person. So I was like, okay,

(30:27):
and he had he had fear in his eyes, so
I have no doubt that he had seen one of
them feral people.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Wow. Yeah, when when we were down there, we were
talking to some locals and stuff, and you know, we said,
you know, okay, we're going out and you know these
areas for bigfoot. Has there been any reports or anything
and stuff like that. And they said, well, if you're
going out in the woods, you know, be careful. And
we're like, oh, there're you know, bears cougars in the air,
and they said, no, there's people. And it just it

(30:55):
just hit so different, you know, because there's there's the
stories of like the blue people down there and all
all these things and the moonshiners, and it's just it's
crazy stuff. I wonder, you know, bringing this up though,
the feral people, I wonder how many of these unsightings, right, So,
if you have an encounter with something throwing rocks or

(31:18):
making noise or something and they think it's bigfoot, I
wonder how many of these non visual sightings are actually
just feral people, which is just as you know, cryptid esque.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
You know, yeah, absolutely, I definitely think that some of
it could be uh And I definitely think that that
can be in some instances where you're being paste out
by these things. You know, could it have been big Butt, Yes,
could it have been the feral people. Yes, It's kind
of just like a flip of a coin, you know.
And yeah, we know that Bigfoot will Man mixed stuff.

(31:50):
And who's to say that these feral people don't do
the same thing and much less like when you hear
the samurai chatter, who's to say that it ain't these
these feral people? And you know, and there'll be instances
like where I'll be hiking up the trail and It'll
sound like there's people talking up ahead of me, and
I'll keep going and there's there's nobody there, and like

(32:12):
I'll be looking around and I'm like, well, that's just weird,
you know, because it literally sounds like there's people having
a conversation and then there's nobody, nobody coming or going.
So it's definitely it's definitely a rabbit hole, and it's
it's something that I could try not to look into,
because if you ask me, a feral human would probably

(32:33):
be a lot worse to run into than a bear. Yeah,
you can scare off, you know, you just make a
black bear. You can scare off pretty easy. You just
make yourself look bigger and make a lot of noise.
And they're going about their day unless they're in Goatlinburg.
Those bears do not care about people.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Well, you said you haven't tried to go down these
rabbit holes. But I'm super curious, like where did these
feral people come from? Are they, you know, like, are
they breeding in the wild. Are they people that just
you know, like homeless. Are they, you know, I'm not
politically correct, where they like on drugs or something? What

(33:10):
where do they come from?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I've heard several different theories, and I think that some
of them were probably the ones that lived on the
land and when the government took over and made it
the national park, they decided they just weren't going to
leave and they stayed there. And probably the same way
with the Indians. You know, the Indians, probably some of
them probably didn't leave. They went for the heels, you know,

(33:34):
and they stayed. And I ultimately think that's that's probably
what it is. And you know, when it comes to
people doing drugs and stuff like that, I would not
put it past them now. Moonshiners, on the other hand,
that's a yeah. I don't think that's any any any
reason to worry about the Moonshiners unless you come across

(33:55):
their steel. But I think I think that the feral
people are probably the remnants of the people that used
to live in those areas and they didn't want to
leave their homes, and the Indians the same way.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
I wonder. I wonder if they've gone feral or if
they always like they never were, like a lost tribe
or something like. You know, because you're talking about these
hollers and stuff that you know, people have never been
in ipposed to say that there's not indigenous people living
in there that are unmarked by modern society, you know

(34:30):
what I mean, very.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Well could be the case. Yeah, it could be just
a lost tribe or something that very very well could
be the case, you know, some kind of remnants of
the Cherokee or something like that. I mean, who knows,
it could be anything. It's never rule anything out that
is my mind.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Anything is possible, especially down in Appalachia there.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Oh man, there's so much crazy stuff in Appalachia in
my other research area that I recently found, so I
didn't realize it was there until I I started looking
on Google to try and find some other areas, and
I read two Google reviews from two different people. Of
the first one came from twenty twenty two and the

(35:12):
witness was driving down the road and where this trailhead
is It butts right up next to the main road,
and he said that this giant winged moth creature thing
flew out in front of him. And what he put
on Google was I was driving down the road and
this giant moth flew out in front of me. And

(35:34):
I was like, Okay, is that mothman or is it
something else? You know, because mothman is typically a harbinger
or doom. And so in twenty twenty three, before I
even got into doing the research anything, it was in
that summer, there was a woman and her friend. They
drove out the trail up towards this cemetery and they

(35:55):
had parked and it was a moonlit night and they're
sitting there and they see this large black shadow walking
towards the vehicle and it probably gets about fifteen twenty
feet away from the vehicle and this thing unfurls its
wings and it lets out a shriek. Well, I have
tried every way in the world to get this woman
to talk to me, and for two years now nothing

(36:18):
and she she apparently moved from there to California. So
she moved from Tennessee to California after this and this encounter.
But it was eight and a half feet tall, blacker
than the night, had wings and shrieked like a banshee.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
I wonder why she moved.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
One of the very smart moves.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
In my opinion, that's that's weird. Interesting anyway, that's crazy,
those crazy stuff down there.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Man.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
So we have been going for about a half hour
here and we haven't even really even talked about Bigfoot.
So let's dive into the bigfoot stuff here.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Absolutely, What.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Have you what have you experienced, what have you found?
What do you got going on down there for your research?

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Man, there's a lot, there is a lot. So I
started doing the boots on the ground December seventh. I
didn't have any idea how to do bigfoot research or
anything like that, so I looked up bigfoot research in
Tennessee and Scott Carpenter's name had pulled up. I don't

(37:31):
know if you're familiar with Scott Carpenter. But he was
a researcher from here in East Tennessee, and I was like, Okay,
I can get in touch with this guy. But unfortunately
he passed in August of twenty three and I was like, well,
I need to find somebody, and I messaged his son.
I ended up finding his son, Travis Tcart, and I've
got a hold of him. We were talking and we've
seen some very good friends, and he kind of gave

(37:55):
me some areas of where to go to. And this
area that I've found on that Scott has been in,
and it is unbelievable. There's so much activity, there's so
many tree structures. And actually there's this area that there's
a holler that goes down from past there's a cemetery

(38:17):
and this holler shoots straight down in beside of it,
and it butts up into another holler that shoots straight
up the mountain and then it goes back down in
towards like where the main road is. And there is
a hog cage there, this hog cage out in the
middle of nowhere, big metal hog cage. How does how
does the big hogcage? You get out in the middle

(38:38):
of nowhere with no roads. But the kicker was when
I first found this cage, it was sitting on its
top and the door was ripped off, And so it
made me question, you know, how how did this cage
get out here? You know, because it was everything I

(38:59):
could do to try and move this thing. And it
made me scratch my head because this could make sense.
How does this hold cage get out here? But there
is a little bit of another backstory behind this location.
I'm not sure what year this had happened. There was
a park ranger out there weed eating and taking care

(39:20):
of the cemetery, and he stopped to take a break
and he heard something coming up from the woods down
in that holler, and he looked and he seen this
woman that was butt naked and she had huge claw
marks all over her. And he rushed her to the
nearest hospital, and he had left and by the time

(39:41):
he almost gets back to this location, the hospital calls
him back and tells him that she will not talk
to anybody, but you you need to get back here.
And by the time he gets back to the hospital,
she's gone. And so he tells them to go back
and look at the security footage to see where she went.
They go back and look at the security footage. These

(40:03):
black SUVs pull up, These men in black suits get out.
They go into the hospital and get this woman. And
that woman has never been seen or heard from since.
And so what was that woman attacked by? You know,
if it was a bear, why would these people take her?
You know? And just it's this, this this area is
just so so strange. We've recorded roars, different kinds of

(40:29):
vocals and here whistles, uh mimic them. There's there. We've
We've got a documentary film coming out called Operation Smoke.
It was myself, Doc Justin, Doc Brown from Prometheus, Lynn's podcast,
Drew Ski and the Cryptied Warfare Operations and Survival Team,
Jessica Jones, the Crypted Huntress, Riley Watson from Midwest myth

(40:53):
Os and Kevin from Where the Weird Ones Are. We
all got together and back in April we went out
into this area and we had to camp out. There
was about twelve, twelve or thirteen of us out there,
and the first night, you know, nothing really too crazy happened.
We heard these things mimicking owls. You know, there's a

(41:13):
distinct difference between an owl and a bigfoot. You know,
like I said, I've growed I've growed up hunting a vision.
I know, the sounds of the woods and these alcohols
were not owls like it was like, oh who, it
was not a normal owl. It sounded like a retarded owl,

(41:34):
was what it sounded like. And they were doing that
a couple of times, and we actually got that recorded.
And so there the other team had some stuff happening
to them that they were being paced through the woods,
and Brian and one were standing back to back and

(41:55):
Brian said that something blowed on his neck area around
his shoulder and his neck just like it felt like
something just right on the side of his neck. And
so there was a lot of strange stuff happening on
this first night. It then became a monsoon on us,
and then Saturday rolls around. We go down into the

(42:18):
area since we didn't make it all the way down
in there. We all go in one big group down
to the main area where this hogcage was and we're
finding tracks. We find this twenty two inch print, we
find sixteen seventeen inch tracks, we find all kinds of
different footprints. We're finding these tree structures, and this one

(42:39):
tree structure that we had found, it was all bent
and twisted around in all kinds of weird ways and
that I can't spoil too much about it. But if
y'all want to know more about this story, there will
be a documentary coming out about this, and if you have, uh,

(43:00):
be sure to check out Prometheus Lens. It's all going
to be on there. And he's the he's the one
doing all the ed and stuff on this and it's
it was a wild, wild trip and there was definitely
I can definitely hook you up with a couple of
people that went on this trip and they can they
can tell their side of the story about what all happened,

(43:20):
and I can't. I can't spoil too much and I'll
just I'll leave it as a cliffhanger for there. And
the biggest you know, these there's different variety sizes of
the prints that I found. You know, some of them
are more narrow like a human track, but then the
other ones, you know, they're they're white. And there was

(43:43):
one the very first one that I was successfully able
to cast, because I had tried to cast others before
this one and they did not go so well. It
was me, my buddy Rick and his niece. We went
out there, and this was after Hurricane Helene had hit,
and we're sitting out there and all of a sudden,

(44:08):
we're sitting here looking at this sandbar and there's some
small tracks, maybe like that big and I'm sitting there.
I'm like, this is a baby, you know, this is
a baby bigfootprint. And then I hear Rick say, is
hardly look at this, And I come over there and
I look and there's a little bit of a knoll
like this and there's just this huge print that's just

(44:30):
sucked down into it. And I was like, oh my gosh.
It was seventeen inches long, eleven inches at the toes
and six inches at the heel. I think, I don't
know if I have a picture of it on here
or not, but that was the first successful cast that
I casted in this area. And that was just like

(44:51):
a huge sigh of relief for me. And I'm not
gonna lie. I cried. I did because it was just
so real and so old wholesome to me to finally
after a whole almost a year of doing field research,
I finally got a footprint and it was just it
was just so so awesome to have, and it was

(45:12):
a trip that I will never forget. I will say
go Valls because I ended up going bigfoot in that
day because Tennessee was playing Alabama and I figured we
were going to get beat but we ended up winning
and I ended up getting my first big foot track.
Let's see find that print. I think I've got it here.
I got too many pictures that probably should have found

(45:34):
these earlier. But I will say that the main reason
that I met Rick was because he had heard about
my dog man encounter. And Rick has been coming down
with me ever since. And Rick, I will tell you

(45:57):
this story right here is just phenomenalus. So we go
out when we do a night investigation. We didn't stay
out all night. We stayed till about two three o'clock
in the morning. And we're sitting there and it was
the day of the Republican Convention, and we were sitting
there listening to Hulk Hogan talk. He was on the
phone with his wife, and all of a sudden, this

(46:20):
thing roars and I looked at Rick, and Rick looked
at me, and we both had this same expression on
our face, like our jaws were just dropped. And he said,
I gotta go, I gotta go. We got this thing
roaring at us, and we ended up getting out on recording.
The only bad thing about that recording is the cicadas

(46:40):
were out, but you could hear this thing just a
little bit over the cicadas. And there's another instance on
where Rick and them came out, and it was in
October and November and we were out and we're sitting there,

(47:03):
well it was before was it before? Okay, it was
before I got there because I was running a little late.
I had some errands to run, and right before I
had got there, they were sitting there right at the
edge of the woods and they hear this deep, reverberating
growl and it sounds like it's right on top of them,
and are sitting in there, turning their lights on and everything,
and there's nothing there. That was pretty much all that

(47:27):
had happened that first night. But the second night I
wasn't able to come at all. I had to watch
my kids because my wife had to go to work,
and they they they called me under freaking out and
I was like, what's going on? And they're like, we'll
meet you to talk about it. And so I ended
up meeting them, and what had happened was they heard

(47:50):
somebody hollering for help. And then almost after they heard
that somebody hollering for help, it sounds like it's a
lot closer. And so Steven had his firearm and he's
pulling it out and he's he's already chambering around. He
doesn't know what's going to go down, and so he
heads to the right of the cemetery area and he's

(48:12):
sitting there shining his light and he sees this large
black shadow moving through the laurels and it's it's gone,
and he he was They were all pretty pretty shaken up.
What that was. I don't know. There is talk of
there being skinwalkers and Appalachia. I don't know. I tend

(48:34):
to think that's more of a Western thing, But could
it be possible out here? Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (48:46):
You got some crazy stories. Man, Let me back, let
me back up here. So you said that you met
Rick because he heard about your dog man encounter. So
what's your dog man encounter?

Speaker 2 (49:04):
January twenty ninth of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
That's that right there.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
January January twenty ninth of twenty twenty four. I me
and my wife had an argument, So I told her
I was want to go out and hike a little
bit and blow off some steam. That trip changed everything,
everything on a spiritual level, on all all sorts of
levels for me. So I left, and I think I

(49:34):
made my mind up that I was going to go
to my normal area. Well, as I'm sitting there driving,
it was a twenty. It's a twenty. It was a
twenty minute drive from my old house. And as I'm
sitting there driving, I'm about halfway there. I ended up
pulling out my phone and looking on the map to
try and find somewhere else to go to. And here
I am now pretty much still been researching the same area,

(49:55):
but I ended up going to these other two locations.
So and this this trip, distinctly, I remembered that there
was something off, and I just I just quit. I
said a quick little prayer. I didn't think nothing about it.
I just had this little gut feeling that I needed
to do something, and I did it. And so I
get to this first area, I get out a high

(50:18):
ground for about twenty thirty minutes, and I'm finding these
ground glyphs as they call them, you know where the
big Foot will stuck these trees on the ground, you know, flat,
and they'll make these glyphs as people call them. And
I found one that was in the shape of an asterisk.
And so I'm sitting there, I'm like, you know, these
trees are about that big around. You know, there's no

(50:40):
human new's going to do that. And I'm just like
just dumbfounded, you know, because I'm still green at this
point and the research, you know, I'm still learning and
all this, and I'm like, Okay, this is promising me,
you know, because these trees were still alive. And I'm
walking around furthermore in the area and I'm finding these
rock stacks and they're always in threes. It's never four

(51:03):
and ever two. It's always in threes. And I don't know,
I don't know why they do that, but it's always
been threes. And it's so I'm sitting there, walking a
little bit more, and I'm like, okay, there's some stuff here.
You know, I may come back. I might not. So
I go back to the truck and I head further
up the mountain and I get out and I hike

(51:24):
this trail towards the waterfall. I'm going along through where
I'm zig zagging, and I get to a point on
the trail where I come down and I cross this
washed out covert and there's a there's a hill that
goes up, and I'm going up the hill and the
trail kind of wies off. The trail to the right
wasn't maintained very well by park services, but the trail

(51:46):
to the left was up kept, and I was like, okay,
I guess I'm going this way. So as I'm going
up that trail and I see this big game trail
cut straight across the trail. You can see where it
was heavily used going straight across the main trail and
was going over into the right. I was like, okay,
I just walk over and here and look around. So

(52:06):
as I'm walking out through there, I see these twist breaks. Now,
some of the twist breaks can be from natural colleges,
you know, from tornado or whatever the case may be.
But for there to just be two of them in
an area that threw some red flags from me. Okay,
So I'm six six and the one that I could

(52:27):
almost reach up and touch, I'd say it was eight
and a half nine feet. It was twisted and broken
and facing up the mountain. The other one was double
that height and it was twisted and broken facing down
the mountain. And I'm sitting here and I'm like okay,
and I'm looking around at all these other trees, and
I'm like, this is not a tornado. Why are these

(52:47):
just these two trees broken? There is no other trees
broken around this. I was like, this is not from wind,
this is not from a tornado. Something with hands twisted
these trees and broken. So I ended up looking around
some more in that area, and I had actually found
a smaller type little structure that I believed that the
juveniles do. They I think the juveniles watch the adults

(53:08):
and they'll make these smaller, little makeshift structures. So I
head back to the main trail and I come up
and there's a curve and then there's a little bit
of a straight away, and then there's this real sharp
curve and then another little straight away and next shark
makes another sharp curve. So I'm standing there and I'm
trying to send my wife my location. There's no phone service,

(53:28):
and I'm trying to sender my location over the satellite
and it finally sends, and I get up to that
first curve and I checked my phone and it said
I had like thirty five thirty six percent battery. And
I come around the curve and I get in that
next little straightaway about to go into the next curve
when I checked my phone again and it said ten
percent battery and it shut off. And I'm sitting there

(53:49):
and I'm like, Okay, this is this is deja vu,
because what happened when I saw my first bigfoot was
I took a picture of it and the phone shut
off and it finally came back on after this thing
was gone. But this is what happened here. You know,
my phone shut off again. You know, I'm probably going
to see another bigfoot, you know, because I'm seeing the
signs and I may, I may run across one. So

(54:12):
I'm sitting there and I had a decision to make.
I said, I can either turn around and go back,
or I can keep going further up. Well, at this
point in time, it starts to snow a little bit,
flurry a little bit. I just had on a hoodie,
some jeans and my muck boots. I just think I
just had hat. I don't mean think I had it
to bogging on and it was starting to get colder,
and I was like, you know, I'm I'm scrolly. I
ain't no big buff boy, but I was starting to

(54:34):
get cold, and I was like, I'm going home. So
I turned around. I came back around this little curve
and I'm going down straightaway, almost into the next little curve,
and I stopped because of her movement behind me to
the right, and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna stop. I'm
gonna turn, and this thing's gonna be there, and it's
going to be a bigfoot. I've never said more wrong

(54:56):
words in my life. And when I turned around, locked
eyes on this thing. It was a dark brown wolf. Essentially,
it was laying down flat on the ground and it
was looking at me and it had these big, bright
yellow eyes. Dude, like it was just as almost like
they were illuminating but not. But this thing then proceeds

(55:18):
to push itself up with its forearms and it takes
three steps to a tree and it prompts one of
its hands up on the tree and digs its nails
into it, and it's taken the other one and it's
like playfully like acting like it's trying to get me.
And since then since I went back to that area.

(55:39):
It was eight feet tall, not including the ears. It
was forty six inches at the shoulder, and from where
it was laying to the tree that it took three
steps to was twenty eight feet. It was dark brown,
had ears like a German shepherd, had faced kind of
like a wolf. The up half of its body was

(56:01):
very buff and broad, and the lower half of its
body was thinner, had forward facing legs like a human.
It didn't have no backward facing legs like hawk or
nothing like that. It had a big poofy tail like
a fox's. But the craziest thing to me was its hands.
The hands were like a raccoon, but bigger, just a giant.

(56:23):
You take a you take a raccoon's hands and amplify
it to fit on a bigger creature. And that's what
its hands looked like, straight out of a raccoon. Man
and this thing, so here, here's my dilemma with the
dog men. When I was looking into this thing's eyes,
I was having these visions, these premonitions of my wife

(56:47):
is going to be a widow without me, my children
were going to grow up and graduate without me. I
was not going to be a grandparent. You know, all
these bad things were happening in my mind, and you know,
I was sitting there frozen and say shot. And then
I got to myself and I'm like, I got to go,
and so I started backstepping and I just took off running.

(57:08):
And this thing is chasing me, but it's not chasing
me from the trail. It is chasing me from off
the trail. I can hear it crashing through the foliage
and I get down to the covert area and I
kind of glanced over my shoulder and I could see
it coming through the rhododendra. I go up and I
come around and I come up to this bridge and
I kind of glanced back over my shoulder again and

(57:28):
it's crashing through the laurels. And I'm almost positive that
was when it stopped following me. I don't know for sure,
but all I know is that I got the hell
out of Dodge and then that was that was when
I was debating on stopping doing the research. And that
was then how Rick Rick got a hold of me.
And four days after I seen this thing on February second,

(57:53):
I seen it January twenty ninth. I went back February second,
with my now good friends Rick Attriston and Stephen Woods.
We went out there and got the measurements and all
that stuff, and it was it was unreal, man, for
something to be that big and move that fast, And

(58:13):
it was unreal. From where it was laying to the
tree that it took those three steps too was twenty
eight feet. That's an eight and a half foot stride.
It's insane that something that big can move that fast.
But here's the kicker. Where this thing was laying at,
the compass was going haywire in the exact spot where

(58:36):
this thing was laying at. It was spinning. And that
makes me wonder, like, is this some kind of interdimensional creature?
Is this something else? Like? What is this thing? But
much less I went back and looked at it again
on a map, and where this thing was was smack
dab in the middle of two old cemeteries. There was

(58:58):
no headstones or anything like that, no sign of even
cemeteries being up there. It was just right smack dab
in the middle of both of them. So is this
seeing a hell hound of sorts? Is this something that's
guarding these cemeteries or what is this thing? Because what
I saw was something clearly of flesh and blood, but

(59:19):
then there was something else about it. And then it's
just like you know, when you look into the eyes
of one of these dog men, it is evil, but
when you look into the eyes of a bigfoot, there
is a humanists about those things. If I had my
rifle up and I had a bigfoot in my sights,
there's no way I could pull the trigger. But if

(59:40):
I had one of those dog men, oh yeah, it
would be down. But there's something about the bigfoot that
there's a humanists about them. And you know, I fully
believe that some of these bigfoot are good, and I
think that some of them are bad, and I think
that it ultimately ties in with their genetics and that
the human that's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
I mean I laughed, because I mean just the thought
of this thing leaning up against the tree, you know,
like you know, playfully kind of toying with you is
is comical. But to imagine being there and seeing that thing,
my heart, my arm.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Hair, my arm hairs stand up every time I talk
about it, and it turns me up man Like it's
if that thing wanted two, it could have had me.
But I ultimately think that there was some divine in
revenge in that day.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Is if it wanted me, it could have had me. H.
It's just it's just one of those things that you
know there there is something that is spiritual about some
of this stuff, and I fully, I ultimately believe that.
And I'm not an expert, and I'm never going to
claim to be an expert. I'm an amateur as far
as I'm concerned. I've only been doing it. This year

(01:01:00):
would be my second year of doing that, like my
second year anniversary of doing bigfoot research. And there's always
there's always a never ending questions to be answered.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Yeah, definitely. I mean, you got you got so much
stuff going on down there, man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
So hey, if you want to come down one time, man,
I'll be more glad to take you out. We'll camp
and we'll have some fun when we'll get some activity.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
I have no doubt you did a really good job
describing this thing. I'm just kind of curious, Like so
you said the hands and everything, what is what does
the chest look like? Is it more canine stand up
or was it more like human?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
It was human. It was like it was like it
had picks, but it was just covered. It was just
covered with hair. It was literally like you see a
werewolf in a movie that is as straight up as
a doll man as you can get.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Like I always said, there's truth in the science fiction,
and I whereby it because you see a werewolf in
a movie that's spot on of a dot man, and
there's no denying that there might be a few subtle differences,
but that is almost what these things look like, is
a werewolf out of a movie.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
So so in the chest is it really Was it
really hairy or was it more sparse, you know, like
on bigfoots they tend to like see less hair in
the chest, and it was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
It was really hairy. It was just covered covered with hair.
And I actually took to chat GPT and uh, I
visually described it word for word, has as this thing
looked and it popped out exactly what it looked like,
but it made it black instead of dark brown. And

(01:02:45):
I'll pull I'll pull it up for you right here,
and this is it. It gives me goosebumps just looking
at it, man, like it's I don't I don't play
around with these things because I don't. I don't care
if I ever see another one. I really don't. I
could do without seeing another one because it just puts
the fear of God in me, because there's just something

(01:03:07):
that is not not right about these dog men. Crap,
I thought I had it on here my my chat
GPT wanting to cooperate.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Uh, let's see, you said this was by like two cemeteries.
Is there any kind of military areas in the area
as well?

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Oakridge Oakridge National Laboratory.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yeah, I'm sure you've heard a lot of crazy stuff
out Oakridge.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
I actually haven't, but it's really interesting that you know,
like there's there's certain things that are common with bigfoot
sightings and things that are common with dog man, and
the dog man is mostly cemeteries, quarries, high what do
they call the power lines, stuff like that, and military basis.

(01:04:03):
So I'm just always curious to see, like if this
ties in and what else is in the area.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
There's so from what I've heard, I don't know if
you're familiar with CERN or Yeah, the apparently CERN is
in oak Ridge National Laboratory and apparently they've been trying
to do things that they shouldn't be doing in there.
So it's it's hit or miss on what you I mean,

(01:04:34):
there's some things that I can believe and then there's
some other things that I can't. But it's like, you know,
why is all this stuff happening here? Like there's so
much crazy stuff happening in East Tennessee. There is another base, uh,
I think it's outside of Bristol, but I've heard a
lot of crazy stories out of that place too, So

(01:04:56):
it seems like all the military bases have a lot
of crazy phenomenon happening. Mhmm.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
We've had two dog man sightings right here in Wisconsin
by one of our military bases. One of them actually
jumped the fence somebody who's driving past the front of it,
and there's big gates and like you know, the cement
pedestals like kind of like a cemetery gate kind of.
But they saw one of these dog men jump over
the gates there into the military base.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
So that's crazy. Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
I wonder if these creatures with the cemeteries, the military bases,
the quarries and stuff, if it's because something to do
with that location, or is it because those locations tend
to be oh, what's the word secluded, Like there's there's

(01:05:54):
no people around, you know, they'res at night. You don't
go to quarries. They're fence guarded military basis. So is
it because it's a military base that there's dogmen there,
or is it there because nobody else goes there and
it's it's protected, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I think it's a little bit of both. Honestly, I
think it is a little bit of both. And uh,
I think that I think some of these things are natural,
and I think that some of them are assets as
they say. I mean, if you ever heard the Joe
Barber story, you know, the truck driver he shot this
dog man, you know, and he goes back to where

(01:06:32):
he shot this thing, it's gone. These people come up
to him and told him that you killed our asset.
So I think that some of these things are natural,
and I think that some of them aren't. But this
is the this is the chat GPT rendition of what
I saw. Everything on this thing is correct, besides the color.

(01:06:54):
That is what I saw. But it was not black.
It was dark brown. That is exactly I described it
word for word into the church EPT, and it popped
that back out to me, and I was like, oh
my gosh, everything is right. But the color.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
I mean that looks very human, not not facial wise,
but the body structure of the muscles, everything in there.
It just is it. It's a very interesting concept to
think that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
It's and it's weird. You know, monsters aren't supposed to
be real, but they are.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
I was a normal boy growing up. I didn't think.
I didn't believe in monsters. But yet here I am.
I'm going out and I'm experiencing this stuff. It shouldn't
be real.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Man, twenty five years old. I'm twenty five years old,
and I m I never imagined that I would be
out here hunting monsters and I'm doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
So you said that when you saw this thing, it
was it was just starting to snow when you turned back,
and that was this like, what time of day was
this sighting?

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
It was in the evening. It was about five o'clock.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Okay, so how much light do you got?

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
It was it was getting close to dusk.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Okay, so so not quite dark, but just kind of
getting there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Mm hmm yep. And then there was a little bit
of a mountain there, but the sun was just now
starting to go in over behind it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
So you do a lot of you do all this.
You do all this stuff on your own for the
most part. So tell tell me a little bit about
you know, you said that you were texting your wife
your GPS location before your phone died. What other precautions
do you take? I mean, are you armed when you
go out there, because you know, you talked about having cougars,
bears and stuff out there and now these other things.

(01:08:47):
So what is it. What does it look like for
your preparedness going out there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I definitely, I definitely go armed. And I'm also you
spiritually prepared because you know, there's there's ancient, ancient spirits
and stuff in these mountains, you know, and these are
ancient grounds, and you got you gotta be prepared for
something that possibly attach itself to you. You have to,
you have to mentally, physically and spiritually be prepared for

(01:09:14):
anything to have. I do go armed, probably not with
the right caliber. Uh. I carry around a nine millimeter uh,
But honestly, I really don't. I hope I don't have
to put myself in a position to shoot one of
these things, although I'm young and stubborn and I do
put myself in that position. But you know, it's just

(01:09:38):
I don't. I don't think I could ever shoot a
big foot. I really don't. And if if if I
had another run in like that with one of these dogments,
I'm definitely uh pulling the trigger. But I'm I'm definitely
gonna have a bigger caliber. Uh, probably a forty four.
I'm definitely not gonna use a nine because it would
probably be like a beasting. But you know, I keep

(01:10:00):
plenty of water, I keep snacks. You know, I don't
really overbear myself. I just keep what I can keep
in my pack, and you know I don't. I don't
want to strain myself while I'm out there and put
myself in a position where I'm too tired to get
a hike back out.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
Interesting. So looking back at this experience, now, do you
think that, you know, like you said, if this thing
wanted you, it could have had you. So what do
you think its motivation was? Was do you getting too
close to its pack young ones? Or just playful? Was
it bored? What do you what do you think the
motivation there was?

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
I think it wanted me out of its territory. I
think that that area was it and it it was
going to make sure that I got out of there.
Could there have been young ones around? Absolutely? Could there
have been more of them? Yeah? Absolutely? Could that one
have just going to the toy with me? Absolutely? I mean,
I truly don't know, but it let me live, and

(01:10:57):
a part of me wonders why, and then a part
of me wonder why I didn't. So I don't. I
don't have no answer for that. But all I can
do is think the think the man upstairs that I'm
still here to kind of keep the awareness going that
monsters are real, and you know, you just got to
be in the right place at the right time to
experience this stuff, you know, because there's too much there's

(01:11:21):
too much of this and not enough of this. Technology
is a good thing, but a lot of people are
a lot of people just don't have the true grasp
of what is actually going on in the national forest
and national parks, or heck, even behind their own house.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
So so where this location was this is an actual
like public hiking trail, national park or was this like
an offer? So let's say, like on average, how many
people you think hike that trail like a day a week.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
I'd say maybe I've not ran into very many. I'd
say maybe ten fifteen if that not very many people.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
Have you looked to see if there's any other settings
of these creatures in that area.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
I've there's there is reports that back in twenty twenty one,
there was two dog attacks about thirty twenty five minutes
away from where this is. It was Tony Arns and
Amber Miller. There was two They were both unlive by

(01:12:39):
what they say was a pack of dogs. But there's
a lot of debate on that. People say it actually
was the dogs, But then if you go and look
at the report, it's kind of shady. But who knows,
who knows, And there's a lot of people that said
that there's different there's a different there's different stories about
what happened. And the one that really still me was

(01:13:00):
the one about the homeless camp. There was a homeless
camp that wasn't too far from where these two people
lost their lives, and there was a YouTuber that went
out there and I was talking to these people in
this homeless camp and they told him that you don't
need to be out here after dark, they'll get you.

(01:13:21):
So that homeless camp is not there anymore. There's no
more homeless people in that area, so who knows some
questions and answers.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Yeah, so this whole area is a National park though, correct.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, no, Well there too where
those two people lost their lives. It was not it
was close to a city. But I mean there's a
highway and then there's a big stretch of woods and
there's another highway, and then there's a national park.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
It's very interesting because you know, if you look back
to the creation of the National parks, Theodore Roosevelt created them,
and there's this theory that the national parks are actually
like preserves for these bigfoot dogman creatures, and that's that's
why they were established, kind of like Native American reservations,
you know, like this is your land. You stay there

(01:14:19):
and we'll stay on ours kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
And thanks you wonder man, Thanks you wondering.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Oh absolutely, I don't. I don't wonder so much. I
kind of, you know, put things together.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
But yeah, facing the puzzle together. Absolutely. Yeah. I try
not to wonder either. I take a puzzle piece from
over here and I put it over here, and if
that don't fit, and then I'll find another puzzletice and
try and connect the dot somewhere else. You know, and
for me, you know, being young and all this, and
there there's something more at that hand with all this,

(01:14:57):
and you would think that by now, with all the
advance aments and stuff that we've got, you know, if
these things were just pure flesh and blood, you know,
there would be something already. You know. Uh, You've got
people saying that, you know, they're a gigantipithecus, you know,
and that's what I used to think. I used to
think giganthropithecus. But there's there's just something not adding up.

(01:15:19):
There's just something that's not adding up. And it just
every time there's just something that throws a curveball and
it just makes me scratch my head and I'm just like, well,
what how does this add up? You know? When I
see my first orb, it was like, well, I've never
seen this. Why is there a ball of light moving

(01:15:41):
through the woods when there's bigfoot out here. It's just
it's craziness and I just I just have no words
to describe it. And it's a big world. The world
is a lot bigger than we could imagine. Then I
encourage anybody if you're closed minded, don't be closed minded,
because it could happen to you at any given moment.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
Absolutely absolutely, man, Well you have You've been an amazing
guest here tonight. We have gone a little bit over here,
and I don't want to keep you, but I do
definitely want to have you back on and share some
more stories. So don't be a stranger. Let me know
if you guys, I'll come back.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
I'll definitely come back. There's more. And I got to
get you out of the woods with me.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
Oh yeah, that'd be great, man, that'd be awesome. You
gotta let me know. Uh, shoot me a message with
your your buddies that do the documentary. Love to have
them on as well. When that comes out, we can
get like a panel together or something and and have
you guys all on and chat about it and promote
it as well. But before all that, what what do
you got coming up? You got any conventions or anything

(01:16:43):
anything else you want to talk about promote your links
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Yeah. Absolutely, I will be at the Crossing Realms conference
in Missouri. I will be a special guest there September,
some sometime in September. I don't remember the exact day.
Hang on, I tell you what the exact date is.
It's since September. Let me see here, where is it?

(01:17:13):
And I'm having a brain for here, I'm trying to
find it. Phone's not in corporating. It is September nineteenth
and twentieth and Richmond, Missouri Crossing Realms Conference. That will
be a special guest there, So if you all are
in and around Missouri, come hang out with us. There's

(01:17:34):
gonna be a lot of great speakers there and it's
gonna be a good time. I've got another investigation that
I've got planned out with a bunch of the guys
that came out into my research area back earlier this
year where I was talking about earlier. We've got another
investigation that we want to do. Try and film a
little bit of that as well. I can't talk too

(01:17:55):
much about it right now. It's a little little hush
hust and you know, I can kind of talk about
what we've done earlier this year, but not too much
about it. But whenever this dot comes out Operation Smoke,
we'll definitely get back on here and talk about it fully.
But I've got else. I've got another conference this year.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
I can't. I've got so much going on for between
work and hugs and everything else. I can't. I can't
keep up with them running around like a chicken with
his head cut off.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
I hear you, man, So where where? Tell people where
they can find you and uh, all the information where
they can keep up on all your stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Yeah. Absolutely, the best way to do it's probably my
Facebook group Bigfoot Reports and Data. It's like it is
right here on my little screen. Answer questions and join.
If you don't answer the questions, you're not gonna get in. Uh,
that's just how I roll on. You just got to
answer questions and get in and just be respectful. We'll

(01:18:54):
have a good time in the group. I encourage any
podcaster to come on there and join the group, share
your content. I'm very much a loving person. I love
helping others promote their stuff. And actually Barnabie is a
mod in my group, so he kind of he has
reins now to post his stuff in there. But Instagram, TikTok,

(01:19:15):
YouTube all under the same name. Right here you can
find me. I would love the chat. If you're wanting,
will in the chat if you need somebody to listen,
and I'll listen. So I can't thank everybody enough for
tuning in. Thanks and god bless absolutely man.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
Absolutely. All the links to your YouTube and Instagram and
the Facebook page are in the show notes. For anybody
that is interesting, you can go click on those and
check those out as well. But thank you so much man.
Like I said, we'll have you back, you and your
crew when you get your documentary out and released and
we can talk all about it and help you, guys

(01:19:50):
promote that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Love to have you so absolutely bro sounds good.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
All right man, you take care all HEII. All right, guys,
that is our show for this week. Thank you guys
for tuning in. Remember to like, subscribe, and share all
things here on the Untold Radio Network and Cryptid's Anomalies
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(01:20:16):
stuff is in the show notes. Make sure to give
him a like, subscribe and share as well, and if
you get a chance, head on over to his conventions
and hopefully we will have him back for his documentary
coming out real soon. Guys, So take care. Until next time,
I'll see you on the dat

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