October 14, 2025 • 63 mins
Welcome to Monsters on the Edge, a show exploring creatures at the edge of our reality in forests, cities, skies, and waters. We examine these creatures and talk to the researchers studying them.
Allison Jornlin developed Milwaukee, Wisconsin's first haunted history tour in 2008. Since then, she has presented at paranormal conferences across the U.S. and contributed paranormal essays and research to several popular books. Allison currently works as a professional weirdo, researching and writing for American Ghost Walk Tours.
To get a PDF copy of Allison’s contribution to Joshua Cutchin’s Book, you can email her at allison@americanghostwalks.com
ALLISON’S LINKS
American Ghost Walks
https://www.americanghostwalks.com/
Milwaukee Paracon
https://milwaukeeparacon.com/
Paranormal Women
https://paranormalwomen.com/
See You On The Other Side LIVE - John E.L. Tenney from the Palace Theater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz11DPXu2GQ
Native American Little People Stories with Brian Frejo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkieionCigc
Icelandic Elves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1txUaczUbZ8
Click that play button, and let's unravel the mysteries of the UNTOLD! Remember to like, share, and subscribe to our channel to stay updated on all the latest discoveries and adventures. See you there!
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To find out more about Barnaby Jones and his team, (Cryptids, Anomalies, and the Paranormal Society) visit their website www.WisconsinCAPS.com
Make sure you share and Subscribe to the CAPS YouTube Channel as well
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Allison Jornlin developed Milwaukee, Wisconsin's first haunted history tour in 2008. Since then, she has presented at paranormal conferences across the U.S. and contributed paranormal essays and research to several popular books. Allison currently works as a professional weirdo, researching and writing for American Ghost Walk Tours.
To get a PDF copy of Allison’s contribution to Joshua Cutchin’s Book, you can email her at allison@americanghostwalks.com
ALLISON’S LINKS
American Ghost Walks
https://www.americanghostwalks.com/
Milwaukee Paracon
https://milwaukeeparacon.com/
Paranormal Women
https://paranormalwomen.com/
See You On The Other Side LIVE - John E.L. Tenney from the Palace Theater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz11DPXu2GQ
Native American Little People Stories with Brian Frejo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkieionCigc
Icelandic Elves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1txUaczUbZ8
Click that play button, and let's unravel the mysteries of the UNTOLD! Remember to like, share, and subscribe to our channel to stay updated on all the latest discoveries and adventures. See you there!
Join Barnaby Jones each Monday on the Untold Radio Network Live at 12pm Central – 10am Pacific and 1pm Eastern. Come and Join the live discussion next week. Please subscribe.
We have ten different Professional Podcasts on all the things you like. New favorite shows drop each day only on the UNTOLD RADIO NETWORK
To find out more about Barnaby Jones and his team, (Cryptids, Anomalies, and the Paranormal Society) visit their website www.WisconsinCAPS.com
Make sure you share and Subscribe to the CAPS YouTube Channel as well
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs7ifB9Ur7x2C3VqTzVmjNQ
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Good morning, Everybody and Welcome to this week's episode of
Monsters on the Edge. Here on the Untold Radio Network.
I'm your host to Parnaby Jones of Krypton's Anomalies and
the Paranormal Society. We are live in studio today as usual,
Ladies and gentlemen. Lee Warner in the audience today, looking
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forward to today's show and learning about the Fay Awesome.
If you guys have questions or comments throughout the show,
through them in the comments section. Because we're live, we
will answer them and chat with you guys, so we
can get that stuff going as well. Coming up, guys,
it is spooky season and if you're looking for something
spooky to do this October, we are doing paranormal investigations
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of Wisconsin's most haunted premium gentlemen's club with over one
hundred years of history. Originally built in eighteen seventy seven
by an Irish immigrant named Michael Gaynor, Gaynor's Tavern has
been down for four generations before finally being sold outside
of the family.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
The building has.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Burned twice and has over four recorded deaths in the building.
It is one of the most active investigations that we had.
We just had a group in there this past weekend
who had all kinds of stuff on the sls to
hearing things and seeing things and shadows and all kinds
of creepy things. So if you're looking for a good time,
head on over to Haunted Beansnappers dot com and get
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your tickets, or if you want a private investigation with
your team, email us at Haunted bean Snappers at gmail
dot com. Coming up, if you want even more spooky stuff,
we are going to be at the Shanno County Library
this Thursday the sixteenth, We are going to be at
the Breadville Public Library on the twenty second, and we
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are going to be at the Nino Public Library on
October twenty fifth. All these are going to be exploring
the paranormal presentations followed by actual paranormal investigations of the libraries.
All this information can be found at wisconsincaps dot com
on our public events tab, or you can go to
(05:13):
our Facebook page and find it there as well. Then, guys,
coming up this December, we are going to be at
the Crampis event in the Brewery District of Milwaukee Sunday,
December seventh. Coming up next year, we are going to
be at the Contact Modalities Expo May second and May first, second,
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and third in Delavan, Wisconsin, and we will be in Fondlac,
Wisconsin for CAPCN twenty twenty six. All the information on
that will be coming up later, so we will get
back to that. But ladies and gentlemen, we have an
awesome guest here. It has become a tradition on today
to speak with her, and we actually have a second
(05:57):
guest in the back as well, but we will get
to that in a second. I will let her talk
about that. But today's guest I have to do my
due diligence here. I get all flustered with flashy lights
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and things popping up in the background. My guest today
is Alison Jordlin. She developed Milwaukee, Wisconsin's first Haunted History
Tour in two thousand and eight. Since then, she has
presented at paranormal conferences across the United States and contributed
to paranormal essays and research to several popular books. Allison
continues her work as a professional weirdo, researching and writing
(06:48):
for the American Ghost Walk Tours and so much more.
We're gonna get into here, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
Allison Jordlyn to the show.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Ay, Hey, great to see you again. Yeah, we got
a lot to talk about today, including uh Milwaukee pur Con,
which is coming up this Saturday, so I'd love to
see you there. It is completely free for guests and
so I'll get to do. Go to the website Milwaukee
(07:19):
Perican dot com. We have a great lineup of speakers.
I'm one of the speakers. I won't be talking about
fairies like I will today. I'll be talking well that's
not exactly true. I'll be talking about the spirits of
Brady Street in Milwaukee, and there is a school which
teaches about fairies right on Brady Street. So if you
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want to hear more about that, come to see me
when I present at four o'clock. But yeah, check out
the full lineup on Milwaukee Perican dot com. And if
you're also a vendor, we have a few vendor spots
available as well, and all the sign up information is
available again at Milwaukee pericon dot com and put on
(08:03):
by my company, American Ghostwalks dot com.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Very cool, very cool.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
It's always a cool event. And the Irish Cultural and
Heritage Center is a very cool building. I guess a
couple times.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
There, Yes, at the Hallimore the Hellimore Stage. Hellamore means
a great hall in Gaelic, and that that Hellimore Stage
is actually in uh the historic Grand Avenue Congregational chart
a church, So come to see that building. Unfortunately, the
(08:36):
Irish Cultural and Heritage Center is going to have to
sell the building. The upkeep of an old building, it
is just too costly for them, uh so they can't
maintain it anymore. So this will be your last chance
to see inside. It is haunted. There's a lot of
stories of a little girl haunting the thirty foot pipe organ,
(09:02):
so that in itself, the thirty foot pipe organ is
a thing to see. But on that stage there you'll
see the speakers. But also on that stage in the past,
Helen Keller spoke in nineteen fourteen and Martin Luther King
Junior spoke in nineteen fifty seven. So this is a
(09:23):
very important landmark in Milwaukee history and it is supposed
to be haunted. So all these things plus it's free. Yeah,
you got to see the beautiful Hallimore, the thirty foot Oregon,
the incredible woodwork, and the one of the kind stained
glass windows. So come and see the Iriscultural and Heritage
(09:44):
Heritage Center this Saturday, October eighteenth, and you'll also see
a lot of great paranormal speakers and vendors as well.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Absolutely, and for those of you interested, the milwaukeepar Con
dot Com is in the sho show notes for easy
access for anybody that needs more information on that. And
you can also check it out on our Facebook page
so you can see the links for all that and
all the information.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
Yes, and like I said, it's completely free to guests,
you know, for the public, so it's free admission. Come
on in. We do on the website ask that you
sign up just so we know how many people to expect.
But it's completely free. You know, when it asks you
to order tickets, you're not ordering tickets, You're just putting
(10:32):
in a reservation so that that we know that you're coming,
like I said, so that we can prepare for the crowd.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Very cool, awesome And what else? Who else you have
for speakers?
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Oh my gosh, So of course there's me. I'm gonna
be talking about Brady Street. But of course we also
have t Crulos who will be presenting about the well
the Witches of of I was gonna say Waterford but
that's of Whitewater. That's it. The witches of Whitewater, but
(11:10):
they're not witches at all. Is going to be talking
about the spiritualist history, and it's an incredible history, especially
if you've ever had an argument with someone and they
were like, hey, dude, you know psychics are not real
because otherwise they'd win the lottery. Well, there's a story
that that goes with the hunt the history and hauntings
of Whitewater that has to do with a psychic that
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she didn't win the lottery, but she did a mass
of fortune from tips given to her by her spirit guides,
So do check that out. Scott Marcus is also going
to be presenting on the mystery deaths in Lacrosse, so
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check that out. That's three o'clock, so I'm at four
talking about saints and centers of Brady Street and also
a ghost and ghost in Fairies as well. Scott Marcus again,
is there a paranormal influence to the Lacrosse drownings? T Krulos,
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Morris Pratt, and Arthur Roberts, two wild and psychic Wisconsin guys.
Hopefully he'll also talk about the woman that I'm mentioning.
If not. I'll be there and i'll pipe in. I'm
sure that's two pm. One pm is Ian steven Ian
Stephen is new this year and he's going to be
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talking about UFO Wisconsin, Alien Wisconsin, Ordinary Lives, Extraordinary Contact.
And we'll also have the Ghost of Waukesha with Josh
Hughes at eleven am. And we're starting it all off
at ten am for the speakers with a ghost Stories
(12:59):
panel about hauntings of southeastern Wisconsin. And the doors actually
open at nine so you can check out the vendors
and then check out the speakers.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Awesome, very cool. Always a good time down there at
Milwaukee Perica.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Yeah, and again it's a milwaukeeparicon dot com for all
this information.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Absolutely awesome. Well, it has been a tradition here on
my podcast to have you, I think it's been three
or this might have been several in a row now
that you've been on because you were you were part
of a very influential group, your students in what has
(13:40):
become not just Columbus day to day, but Indigenous People Day.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
Yes, Indigenous People's Day is celebrated officially in Wisconsin. This
picture that you put up just now shows us. In
twenty sixteen, when we went to go see the More
County Board, we had written a resolution, and this resolution
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says why they should celebrate Indigenous People's Day, why it's
so important, And the fourth graders worked really hard on
the resolution, and we of course went to a few meetings,
and this is one of the meetings where we are
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showing our support for Indigenous People's Day and asking them
to vote on our resolution and adopt it. And so
Milwaukee County now has a resolution that was written by
fourth graders about Indigenous People's Day and they just wanted
to be celebrated to as Native people, cool, awesome, and
(14:55):
we got that past. Sorry, we got that past in
twenty sixteen. And then in twenty nineteen, I believe that's
when Tony Evers, Wisconsin's governor, came to the school where
I once taught Indian Community School and those fourth graders
were now eighth graders, and as he signed the statewide
(15:18):
proclamation saying that Wisconsin would would now celebrate Indigenous People's
Day every year, he had my former fourth graders surrounding him.
So that was a big thrill for them to see
lawmaking and action.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
That's awesome.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
We have talked in We have talked in great depth
about that on some of the other shows. I was
going to say, your other friend just dropped off, so
I don't know if, oh.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
No, you got to bring them back? What the heck?
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Alison has.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
A history of inviting special guests on her episodes of
Stage and now he's dropped off.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
So no, okay, so I'm telling him to come back.
We'll go to you right away. I know he's at work,
so maybe he he didn't.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
He didn't have a picture up, so I wasn't sure
if he was. The link was good too, so.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Okay, so we'll see if he comes back in Okay. Well,
you know, I do deal with spirits, so very Oh
he's on, He's on, Okay. So it's Indigenous People's Day.
We're going to talk about the fay. Fairies and Native
people have a lot of stories about little people. It's
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not just in Ireland, it's all over the world that
people have stories about these others. And Brian Free Joe,
he's a Pawnee Seminole tribe member and he has his
own stories, so hopefully we can hear from him for
a little bit today.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Welcome to the show Man, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Hey, thank you. Can you guys hear me?
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Yes, Hey happy, it's great to hear you.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
Yeah, I'm I'm driving right now. It's it's a pretty
pretty busy day. I just came from a three day
pow wow in uh kind of like northern central Cali,
and uh, well they went pretty late, got back late
last night, and then now I'm going to a couple
of other events today.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
But yeah, I definitely wanted to jump on for a minute.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
Good to see Barnaby and uh good, good to see Alison.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
Yeah, thank you, Brian, so so drag if you could
give us a story or two and not getting an accident,
that would be great. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
No, it's pretty traffic's pretty nice right now.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
For one, so I mean, I mean, uh, southern California,
so it's a it's a holiday today, so the traffic
isn't too crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But yeah, I just I just want to say, who,
no idiot tot this up?
Speaker 8 (17:59):
Brian Freed, Joe Skidee Chawie, Pawnee Nation of Oklahoma, Nikuzogi's
Seminal Nation of Oklahoma. That's the wolf people of the
Pawnee Nation. And then the Bear clan of the Seminole people.
And uh, I come from a place called Tornado Alley.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
You guys seen it on the Weather Channel.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
That's where I grew up, right there in the Tornado
Alley and able to learn a lot there about our
culture and history from a lot of relatives and elders.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
And yeah, so I love stories, storytelling.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
I know you were talking about the about the LP
Some people don't they don't want to say it. They
don't want to say little people, so they say the LPs.
And then some people will say it in their language,
they'll say ours is is still a boogagie. That means
those little, the small people that are out there, that
they're still a part of our community. They they're kind
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of like protectors of certain areas. You know, they say
they protect some of the sacred sites. They protect springs,
like where there's natural water or springs. They're the ones
that kind of take care of that so that people
don't abuse those places or you know, mess with the
land around there.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
There's always a lot of stories about them being there.
Speaker 8 (19:11):
And if you're going to get water in those areas,
they say, just go get your water and get out.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
You know. They don't. They don't want you messing around there.
You want to go get some water from that o.
Speaker 8 (19:20):
Those stories are just passed down, you know, over generations
and generations that we pass it on orally.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And so I always lived hearing those stories growing up.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
And we had a lot of activities, a lot of
activity with the little people in Oklahoma and some of
the other places that I visited, Minnesota, South Dakota, some
of these other tribal communities, even in the urban you know,
they can say that the little people can come around
there if they want to. So, is there any particular questions,
(19:51):
anything you want me to share, Alison? I know there's
so many stories. And we did a YouTube video before
in the past.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
Yeah, And I'll send that link to Barnaby so he
can he can share that as well. And and if
you do go to that YouTube video, you'll see that
there's over three hundred commenters and a lot of them
are sharing their own own stories. And people are really
commenting from all over the world. Even Poland is one
(20:20):
of them. That surprised me, one of the commenters, but
it was just amazing. Uh. You know, this is a
really taboo topic and some uh in some sectors of
the paranormal. But you know, when you scratch the surface,
you really see that there's a lot to uh these stories.
So so Brian, anything you can tell us in terms
(20:43):
of an actual story, either that you experienced or people
that you know have experienced.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Yeah, well, like the one of the stories that was
passed down is that you know when they come around,
you know, they're kind of mischievous and they're trying to
get your attention or they're trying to just kind of
mess with people, and you know they like to do
that and some people, especially if they don't believe it,
you know, they're the ones that kind of they mess
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with too. So to kind of show them that there's
there are things out there that we can't explain. You know,
they're mysterious. In the language, we call it a chick
spot k stee doo. It means that it's like they're
mysterious and we can't really figure it out.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But they're spiritual.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
They're like a spiritual nature, but they're mysterious, the mysteries
of life.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
But there was one I had had an uncle, my
mom's uncle.
Speaker 8 (21:36):
He was an older man, elder, and I said when
he was younger he's They used to always come around
their house and they always said, you know, don't don't
go play with them, don't don't don't.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Be curious and try to go with them and follow them.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
And this one uncle that we had, they used to
always come around when he was young, and that at
night they couldn't find him. He wouldn't be in his bed,
and so they would be looking for him and they
would go out there.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
They live. It's in an area.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Called we Woka it means barking Water where they grew up.
And my uncle had lived in that same house for
his whole life. So I was able to visit this
house and this this community. And he his uncle's name was,
it was Uncle ed Edward. And I guess they kept
coming out to him and they kept trying to tell him,
you don't go out there. You're not supposed to go
(22:21):
out there, you know, with with those little people at night,
and so he kept going out there, and then they
would find him out in the woods and bring him
back and he kind of they said, it would mess
it can mess with people, you know, that's what we
don't mess around with things that that were told about
that that of that other side of that and that
(22:42):
are in that portal, the ones that can kind of
come in and out of that portal, and so he
I guess he kept going out out of the curiosity.
After that, they said that they would always come to
his house looking for him, and so they had to
put medicine out there, you know, so they wanted to
leave him alone. And he became like over the time,
he became kind of like a recluse. And I guess
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he would go out and talk with those little people.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And uh, they said he had a lot of knowledge.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
He would share stories about like old, old traditional stories
about where the medicines were, you know, old teachings that
they had, because those little people had a lot of
that knowledge. But he never would he would never leave
his house and and he stayed in the back.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Room of that house.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
And he would never leave the house, and they'd always
take him and he'd always stay in the car. He
didn't really talk to people, and he only spoke in
the language. But when I went out there to visit
my uncle that was his brother. I would go out
there to visit him, and it's way on the country
and we'd be sitting there, and he really loved the
Los Angeles Lakers. So we'd always go and watch basketball games.
(23:44):
And I'd be sitting in his front room, little little, small,
little country house, and he had a porch that went around.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
The whole side of his house, and we'd we'd be.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
Talking watching a game, you know, laughing, and I would
hear running on that porch and I'd ask him, I
was like, what is that?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Was loud to get here?
Speaker 8 (24:02):
Running like it sounded like dogs are running or like
kids were running around outside on the porch. And I'd
ask him like, what is what is that? You know,
some dogs out there? And he he was say no, no, and.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
We just keep talking. I was like, man, what's out there?
I want to go. I want to go see what's
out there? You know.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
He goes, He goes, no, you know, don't go out there,
and he said, they know this house.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
You know they're coming here. They want they want people to.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Go out and take them out there, you know, take
them out into their into their world.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And I always wanted to go, and he would just
be like, no, no, nephew, just stay in here and here.
I'll be back.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
And he would go outside and he'd be out there
for like about ten fifteen minutes. Then he'd come back
in and, uh, it's a house, it's all right, it's
all right, okay, you know, we'd sit.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
There and talk. But every time I was out.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
There, you know, I felt that that uh, that spiritual,
that mysterious energy, and it always been ingurious. And so
later on in life, you know, when I have my
own experiences with the little people.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Who they came to my dad's house too.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
But there's just so many stories, you know, and a
lot of people that that don't believe it. You know,
they're the ones that I kind of feel like when
they come around those areas in our in our native communities,
that they'll have an experience.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
You know.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
It's one of those things where, uh, it's not just storytelling,
it's kind of part of our belief system where they
there's a teaching in there that tells you, you know,
be careful what you what you go around, you know,
be careful where you go. You know, the way they
tell told told us when we're young, I'll go out
in those woods. Don't go out there and follow just
(25:34):
anybody or anything.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Those things that kind of come are past them, you know.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Because of what happened to my uncle, he became pretty
much a recluse there is life because he didn't want
to be around people. He kind of almost just wanted
to be around those those little people. And so yeah,
that was an interesting, interesting childhood growing up around that,
you know, and and hear these stories. But me and
Allison shared some stories on the YouTube, and we could
(26:03):
go on and on. I definitely like to come back
and I share some other stories too. Where in Minnesota
they got some pictures of the little people there at
a at a big Native community event.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
It was like, do you have these? No, they took them.
They the person that that took the pictures and video.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
Later that night, you know, they they tried to share
those pictures and later that night I guess they came
to their house and they took their all their pictures.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Were deleted and the video was gone, and then all.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
This stuff was all scattered around in those people's house
that had that had taken the video. So yeah, the
pretty much came and yeah, they came and took it
and then all the like the the images were kind
of like you know when they look like they're overexposed
and all that stuff. They were just after that, later
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that day they were all messed up.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
So Brian actually is a speaker and a motivational speaker
and performer and musician. And you you have visited many
of the reservations across the country.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Right, Yeah, where I just was, it's northern central Cali.
It's Bigfoot Country and a lot of the tribes there
Bigfoot is part of their their history and their storytelling.
They have like images everywhere, and it's one of the sites,
a place called Tuley River if you look it up,
it's where they have the cave and the rock paintings
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on their reservation. And they don't let anybody there. You
have to know tribal members and people you know in
that tribe and their historians to go there and just.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Look at it.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
They don't let anybody on that reservation like other like
the paranormal shows and people have tried to go there,
they don't. They don't let them there either, But it's
because it's part of their culture and they're not supposed
to kind of like I guess, like expose that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
They just keep it within their their people.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
But they have it's in their regalia and everything, like
it's in their beadwork and they have.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Books, they have songs.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
They have bigfoot songs, and it's like you take they
take that very serious, and you don't you know, like
like you know, laugh or make fun of it because
it's like it's part of their culture. So that's where
I just came from. Really beautiful country up there in
central Cali.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
Well, and I know, Barnaby would love to have you
on again because you have so many stories from all
over the country. I know last time we spoke, uh,
you told me about your wild experience with skin walkers.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
Uh so, yeah, I was glad they they they kind
of put a.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
The rental car.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
I took a rental car and they did damage on
the rear bumper of the rental car. I have pictures
of that too, Barnaby, I could I could share that,
show you the claw depth, the whole the rear bumper
of that rental car, like look like uh like Freddy Krueger.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Well, that is so fascinating. And and Brian, you mentioned
the medicines, and uh, I think we should explain that
just a little just uh. I think paranormal investigators who
might be watching the show are familiar with of course
uh smudging with sage. But there's also many other many
other medicines including you know, the top four would be sage,
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sweet grass, tobacco, and cedar. But so that's what was
that what you were talking about when you mentioned putting
out the medicine for the LPs.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Yeah, yeah, they just offer you know, if you could
put out food, you know, you kind of want to
have respect for them if they start to come around
or there starts to be activity you know at your
at your home or work and things like that, so
you put out make an offering of those those medicines
or even food. Yeah, Like retribe kind of has different
medicines that they use, Like tobacco is kind of like
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the oldest one, and and that's always an offering, you know,
kind of like a peace offering. You know, you kind
of want peace with the with the with the animals,
with nature, with the spirits. And uh, that's the one
that we use. But there's also another one this elder
shared with me. You know, if people are having a
lot of activity, a lot of like ghosts and spirits
in their house, it's called the ghost medicine. I don't know,
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if I know, there's some different words in the language.
You know that they what they call that one, but
it's from it's from a plant in Oklahoma. This one
elder he gave me some of that. He told me,
you know, if people are really having problems in this
in the smudging and the sage isn't working, then you
kind of go to the next that next level of
medicines to use and to help people in their houses.
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And I know, I've worked in California as some treatment
centers and they have like I guess, after they go
through the red the detox, they go to a sober
living home. And these are big homes, like there's either
six eight rooms. People are living there, and there's a
lot of activity in there, you know, when people are
living in addiction, and and I'm kind of messing with
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the dark sides of life. Uh, there's a lot of
cleansing that needs to happen. So I've been going to
some of the houses and uh, I smoke out or
smudge the house and kind of try to clear out
the negative energies and and uh like people are seeing
spirits and ghosts in these places and.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Kind of think it goes along with that lifestyle.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
You know, there's you know some or people like people
just everybody not just natives, but everybody, you know, you know,
there's an addiction problem, and we have our medicines to
use against that, you know, for protection, to cleanse, and
to heal.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
And so those are some of the things that I
was taught, you know, growing up, and that's what I
used because it works.
Speaker 8 (31:49):
They had a ghost or a spirit at this one
sober living and everyone was seeing it, but they didn't
want to smoke the house off because the house manager
she never saw anything.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
That woman was like, I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
Finally she saw it, and these are not native people,
and when she finally saw it, she's like, okay, yeah,
we need to do something.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So I ended up going over there and we put
a prayer up and we smashed the house off and then.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Things have been pretty good, but recently they said they
might need it again.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
But yeah, just things like that.
Speaker 8 (32:21):
You know that our old traditional ways of life and
believe spiritual beliefs and they're still here.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Yeah. I'm going to follow up with you on that
ghost medicine so that we can provide some more information
to people who might need that. If the if the
other four of the top medicines aren't working, but it'd
be interesting to see, like what that plant is. And
(32:49):
I love botany, so certainly.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Yeah, and all those medicines gotta grow really well in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I love being over there and work in there.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
All those medicines were Milwaukee is the good Land or
they say that's the like the good Land.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That's the translation.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
I'm sure there's more translations, but that's what Milwaukee means.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Yeah, Well send me some seeds, Brian. I'm getting better
at my garden, so I started growing some of those,
which I really appreciate this. Uh, you know, I don't
know if you have any questions, Barnaby, or there was
anybody in the chat that had any questions. Where we
still have, Brian, I know we can't monopolism for too
(33:33):
much longer. What was that?
Speaker 6 (33:36):
I have a ton, But you know I I again,
I appreciate coming on, and I would love to have
you on for for an episode of your own as
well eventually, and we'll have to stay in touch. And
I don't want to keep you when you're driving and
stuff either.
Speaker 8 (33:48):
So yeah, I gotta jump off, but you guys have
a good day, and I look forward to talking to
you guys soon.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Yes, happy Indigenous People's day.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yes, thank you so much. Oh do hey goods? Thank
you man, take care awesome.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Well that was really fun. So Indigenous People's Day is
every day. It's great that you have me on because
we can remind people of how important learning about indigenous
cultures is because I think if you're watching and you
heard just a little bit of what Brian said, I mean,
it opens up a whole world for you of different
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ideas and different ways of dealing with the spiritual and
the supernatural and the paranormal. So they have a toolbox
that we could we could all be using. So it
you know, it's always great to get together with other
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cultures and mix it around because that is that's going
to make a difference for individuals and also the field itself.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Yeah, it's really interesting just that the couple of months
that we we get to chat with in there, because
you know, we were talking before the show and stuff.
You know, over Iceland and and these other places have
such a rich history of fairy and folklore and things
like that that we hear about, and you know, it's
so ingrained into their culture and it's not often that
you know, even he said it, it's not often that
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you get to hear from the indigenous people about these things.
You know, we always hear about Bigfoot in North or
in the United States pretty much. And I've I've heard
like a lot of the dog man stories from the
Canadian indigenous people, which we don't have a lot in
the United Yeah, and then the lower the United States here,
and but I I honestly haven't heard much of anything
(35:46):
about the little people or the fairy or anything from
indigenous people.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
So yeah, so there's a there's a vast database of
knowledge that we could have access to. But I think
what happens with with every culture, with every like subgroup,
you know, So we're not just talking about cultures, you know,
(36:10):
we're talking about just uh, you know, political groups, you know,
community groups. They can be quite insular. And I think
it's time we break those walls down across the board
so that we can start learning from each other instead
of judging others from afar. You don't know what you're
(36:33):
talking about unless you get out there and talk to people.
And Brian would be a great guest to have on
because you know, not only is he Panie and seminole himself,
but he's also been a motivational speaker and performer and
a pow wow dancer at at different events and different
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reservations throughout the country. So he's at and he's and
he's actually filmed some of his of the paranormal stories
he's gotten from these tribe members. So there's there's a
tremendous amount of knowledge out there that we haven't had
access to just because you know, I think it's it's
(37:21):
hard to approach communities such as the Native community because
you know, they have been so disenfranchised and you might
not know where to start. I started by working at
Indian Community School. Well actually that's not that's not true,
because when I went to UW Milwaukee, I saw it
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out their Native Studies program, So in effect, I had
a minor in Native studies and that's why I got
my position at Indian Community School as a fourth grade teacher,
you know, and I was there at the school for
thirteen years. So it's a great community and I got
(38:05):
to see the inside of it and there's just so
much there that would be a value across the board,
but also to the paranormal community. And we also have
to break down walls about you know, different taboos as
it has to do with with with the little people.
(38:27):
I know, you know, this might be this might be
something that that I'm not supposed to talk about, but
I'm going to talk about it because it was a
few years ago anyway. But Grant Wilson, I was at
an event where he was one of the speakers. I
(38:47):
was one of the speakers as well, and Grant Wilson
from the og from ghost Hunters, the ghost Hunters TV show,
he talked about He talked about a little person experience
that he had as a child in the forest, and
he acted like it was some big deal and he
was embarrassed about it, but he still wanted to talk
(39:08):
about it, but he didn't want anybody to film or
But the thing is why, you know, these are others.
We don't know exactly what they are, but you know,
they might be another kind of spirit. We really don't know.
But no subjects should be off limits in the paranormal world,
(39:30):
especially when when you look at when you look at fairies,
which you know it sounds laughable, but they have numerous names,
not just fairies. That's the name we know it by
and that's stigmatized. But let's just say the others. So
these mysterious others are represented cross culturally and when you're
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looking for evidence of is there any there there when
you're talking about the paranormal, Well, it's really compelling when
you know about little person stories from around the world.
I do have a couple of YouTube channels, YouTube dot
com slash Paranormal Women and YouTube dot com slash Mothman. Now,
(40:18):
if you go to the second one, YouTube dot com
slash Mothman, you'll see an interview that I did with
Brian where he tells he tells more little people's stories.
And the exciting thing about that video is, Okay, I've
got a lot of videos out there, not a lot
of people watching, just being honest, but that video with
(40:40):
Brian is really popular. And like I said, I haven't
checked it lately, but it's been up for a few years,
but it has. It has over three hundred comments, and
the bulk of the comments are people from around the
world world sharing their little people stories. So we have
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people from different countries. We also have people from various
tribes in North America all coming together to share their stories.
So it's amazingly cross cultural. And don't take my word, Fred,
go to YouTube look at the video and then read
some of those comments, and I think you'll be fascinated.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
Very interesting. So there were some thoughts that when the
non indigenous people and the white folks came to America
from Europe and stuff, that we brought these little people
over from Iceland and that do you think that, you know,
hearing about the indigenous stories and stuff, they were here
(41:46):
before that? Right?
Speaker 7 (41:48):
Okay, that is a really good question, because like with Bigfoot,
there's a lot of different names for little people amongst
the various tribes. Now I have not asked different you know,
people from all those various cultures about their words for
(42:09):
the little people and uh where and where they can
trace them to. Uh, but I do know that Bigfoot,
for example, in a Jibwe, which is a culture uh
very that's very populous in Wisconsin, but then also up
(42:32):
into Canada. Uh in of course Minnesota. Uh so a
lot a lot of uh Ojibwe people of various bands
and so at the school, Indian Community School, one of
the teachers of native language, so we we taught three
different languages that people could go to. UH. That the
(42:53):
that the students and the teachers took classes in these
various native languages every single day, uh, of the of
the school year. Now, one of the teachers wasn't a
Jibway teacher, and so I I, you know, in our
off time, I'm like, hey, what about Bigfoot? What are
the names for Bigfoot? And then I asked them, are
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these are these constructions? Like there are certain things like
toaster for example. Of course, the the a Jibway back
in the day did not have a name for toaster,
but then they put like different words together to mean
toaster today. Uh so that's what I was asking about bigfoot.
And he said, no, you know, these are this is
(43:38):
an ancient belief and these aren't ancient words. So do
I know for certain? I mean I do think that,
you know, some of the little people could have come along.
But if there were little people in all these various
countries all over the world, there were probably indigenous populations
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of those native people are of those native little people.
So you know, I think there's probably both to answer
your question, you know, both bringing them and having having
little people that are indigenous to the Americas. So yeah,
I don't have anything that says that definitively, but you know,
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we're talking fairies. There is nothing definitive.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
Now, there's a lot of crossover between your fairy lore
and your like uphology with the whole abductions and the
changelings and things like that were the taking of children,
and and even in the Bigfoot lore and stuff with
the whistling in the woods and the women screaming and stuff.
You have a lot of crossover between these different stories.
(44:52):
Do you think that these are all separate phenomenon or
do you think that that each of these things is
its own thing or that are the fairy creatures you
know what we consider the extraterrestrials.
Speaker 7 (45:05):
Yeah, so, as you said, there's a lot of crossover,
and I would welcome people to look up a book
that I participated in. Josh Kutchen Uh wrote The Trojan Feast,
for example, So he's a great scholar of fairy lure
and a few years ago he recruited me and some
(45:27):
other paranormal writers to write a book called Fairy Films.
And I provided the PDF of my entry uh to
to you, barnaby, so if we can link to it,
we will do so, uh so that so that you
can read it and you know see that Yeah, there's
(45:51):
there are there are connections that come out, and my
my entry, uh to the book Fairy Films was, Yeah,
it's it refers to popular movies where uh, fairy beliefs
were represented. But then it also goes into the actual
(46:15):
folklore and real events, which tend to show that there
there's probably something real to this phenomenon. So do I
think it's connected. Yeah, I think everything is probably connected.
Our our aliens and fairy is the same thing. Well,
you know, I know, I know there are UFO researchers
(46:40):
that that seem to think there's there's a connection there
because of the similarities in the folklore. Of course, we
can't we can't say for sure, but I would welcome
to people that look deeper, uh and to see what
these stories really are and then compare them to other
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stories that they've heard in other areas of the paranormal.
Speaker 6 (47:05):
You mentioned Joshua Cutchins. I just want to give a
shout out to him. He's going to be on the
Paranormal Spectrum here coming up. I think, what do I
tell you, November thirteenth, it's a middle of November. He's
going to be on my show there so you can
hear more about that. But awesome awesome guy. I've gotten
a chance to talk to him, and I have his
complete collection of books, if I'd only have the time
to sit down and actually read them.
Speaker 7 (47:26):
Yes, well, well he goes deep and yeah, certainly there
are connections, and his specialty is connecting fairy lower to
abduction phenomena, for example, So he certainly does a lot
(47:47):
of work in that regard.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
So there's so many I find this really interesting.
Speaker 6 (47:55):
You mentioned Grant Wilson as well about having had this thing,
and you know, for somebody that goes out in the
paranormal field and does ghost hunting and puts yourself out
there as you know this, you know, Oh, ghosts are real.
You know, I've seen there's demons, there's all this stuff.
Why why is there such a stigmatism around the little people? Yeah,
(48:15):
Christopher Fleming from Chicago. The medium also talks about having
seen a gnome in his house. So you got these
these people that you know, like have actually had these encounters.
Do you know of any other Like, what's the most
modern story that you've heard the most recent.
Speaker 7 (48:36):
Well, well, certainly heard from John Tenny and John Tanny.
Is uh is just a wealth of knowledge in the
paranormal and he he saw an elf, and he believes
that elf actually came home with him. Uh And and
(48:57):
I also can provide a YouTube link to his his
interview where you can watch more about all the details
in his in his sighting and and his encounters. And
then I can also send you this picture that he
drew from me of what he saw. Uh So, how
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to see an elf in three days? He has if
you want to see an elf, he has different things.
He has a whole list of things you need to
do if you want to get yourself ready. So eat
only I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (49:36):
The spinning around in a circle looking at the clouds.
Speaker 7 (49:39):
That's one of them. That's one of them.
Speaker 6 (49:41):
So I've heard this.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
Yeah, So so number one is eat only fruits and vegetables,
drink only water. Okay, So he's a vegan, John Tenny,
I'm a vegan too, so it's maybe easier for us.
But if you want to see an elf, he's saying
that this is what you have to do.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (49:59):
And then three times per day, whistle or hum a tune.
And then three times per day smile at your reflection
in a mirror, of course, and then three days, three
times per day gently touch a living plant. And then
imagine you are looking at the night sky as you
drift to sleep, so that you close your eyes but
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you feel like you can still see the stars. And
then lastly, as as soon as possible, let's see Okay,
I'm walking. Let let the sunshine on your face for
several minutes. Now, I do I do remember that there
were some turns. I don't have that on this list.
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What do you remember about that?
Speaker 6 (50:43):
There was something about having that sense of like childlike wonder.
So yes, and you spun in a circle, and you
looked up at the sky, laid in press on your back.
And I've heard John Tenny speak quite a few times,
and if anybody hasn't, he's definitely worth seeing it. Any
can venions and stuff. But yeah, there was there was
some other stuff just basically get back to your innocence. Yeah,
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so child mentality.
Speaker 7 (51:08):
Those are the big ones that I listed off. But
I know there is something about spinning or turning in
a certain way, so I'll have to I'll have to
refresh my notes on that. But yeah, start start with
the with the other six and then move on to spinning.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
If those don't work, spin in a circle, until you
see it, spin.
Speaker 7 (51:33):
In a circle until you see it, or you drop.
Speaker 6 (51:37):
What rocks as a comedy says, compare these gnome and
elves to what people see on d MT. It's on cannon.
Speaker 7 (51:45):
Oh yes, okay, there's a number of books written on DMNT.
Dime ethyl trip to mean which is produced in the brain,
but also you can smoke it so and you can
take it intravenously, which has I think the intravenous administration
(52:06):
was was used in medical experiments to see if there's
any there's any consistency with the visions that people have.
If you know Terrence McKenna, he talked about the machine
elves that were seen on d MT. Uh so, uh,
(52:27):
there's this idea that there are elves that that work
together to create and adjust a reality, and so apparently
you can access them on d MT. I I want
to I'm straight aed, so I don't know personally, but
(52:49):
I'm you know, it's very interesting. And Rick Strassman was
the scientist if you're googling this, and I think the
book that he wrote was called the d MT The
Spirit Molecule. So anyway, there's yeah, I the the idea
is that psychedelics like d MT, and d MT is
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like the root of all psychedelics or most psychedelics, is
my understanding, and it's it's naturally produced in the brain,
but also in ayahuasca and psilocybin, there's there's a DM
concentration and that's the scientific reason that you have divisions
that you have. I believe, not an expert, just an enthusiast,
(53:34):
but yeah, I think there might be something to the
idea that they're always there, but you can only see
them when your brain is trained on one of these substances. Uh,
Like you know d MT in particular, that that it
gives you access to what's going on in the fairy realm. Certainly, Hey,
(53:59):
you know, other people have seen them without resorting to drugs,
So but this is one way that people access that knowledge.
Speaker 6 (54:08):
Yeah. I've heard a lot of stories about, like you know,
like I said, the research of people taking it and
seeing faces or images that are come back very extraterrestrial
or elvish or fairy ish. H that they've described. That
so really interesting there. Yeah, let's see the indescribable octomand
(54:29):
says uh, talk about the magic out loud in the woods.
It gets their attention.
Speaker 7 (54:34):
Yes, so yeah, you might wanna you might want to
consider that carefully before you do that. Now, it's not
to say that that the Fay these others are evil.
It's just that they're they're not always pro human.
Speaker 6 (54:53):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (54:53):
And there are others, there are other consciousnesses, so you
have to be here fall around them. You know, they
can be benevolent, but they can also be malevolent. So
as Brian said, you know, you have to be careful.
You can't just go out there and think it's gonna
be like a little tinker balls uh and little fairies
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with wings when you really look into the actual folk
or uh, there's there's a number of descriptions and some
of them ain't that cute. Some of them are really frightful.
So so just be careful out there. Uh. And as
as I mentioned, you know, I will I will link
(55:41):
or I will give Barnaby some links to send to
my interview with Brian fried Joe about a native uh
little people. And also I have interviews with others like
the headmaster of the Elf School and give it iceland.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (56:01):
So if you're interested in this topic, you know we're
coming to an end here. But there's there's just a
ton more and I'll try to provide what I can
and you can. You can always reach me at Alison
at American Ghostwalks dot com. Alison is spelled just like
(56:22):
all is on a L L I S O N
at American ghost Walks here thes dot com. Uh and yeah,
send me something weird and I'd love to meet you
in person at milwaukeepuracon dot com. If you're you're in Wisconsin,
come see us October eighteenth, that's the Saturday. We'll be
(56:43):
there from nine to five at the Irish Cultural and
Heritage Center on Wisconsin Avenue. So do check it out
and come see that beautiful historic building before it's no more.
Speaker 6 (56:57):
Are they going to tear down for real?
Speaker 7 (56:58):
Or I hope not. I hope they just sell it
to someone who has more funds to be able to
restore it. I mean that would be really terrible, but
just in case, you know, get in there and see it.
See the stage where Martin Luther King spoke in nineteen
fifty seven and Helen Keller spoken in nineteen fourteen, and
(57:19):
look for the little ghost in the thirty foot pipe organ.
It's gonna be a magical day.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
It is an amazing building.
Speaker 6 (57:26):
Like I said, I've gotten to speak the last couple
of years at the event and the stage and the
whole atrium out there with the Oregon and the balconies
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
That's all.
Speaker 7 (57:34):
Yeah, it has a presence and it's free, so why
not come? Yes, you do have to sign up just
so we can prepare for the onslaught of people, but
it is absolutely free, so please come join us and
get more information at milwaukeeparacn dot com and there are
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Speaker 6 (57:57):
Well, Allison, it has been awesome here. We got some
stuff in the show notes here for you as well.
American Ghost Walks is in the show notes. Milwaukee Para Con,
Paranormal Women and the link for your interview with John
Tenny are all in the show notes right now as
I speak. So if anybody's interested in more information on that,
you can go and click there and get all that. Alison,
(58:18):
do you have any other events coming up? Are you
speaking of anything else?
Speaker 7 (58:21):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, lots of lots of library presentations. I
have one at the Germantown Library, when at the Edgerton Library,
and I'll be at the Halloween Hauntings event at Milwaukee
Public Museum. That's for members. That's near the end of
(58:44):
the month. That's a Friday and a Saturday. I believe
this year, instead of doing a mini tour because the
mezzanine is closed on the third floor, I will be
in the Little Nickelodeon Theater presenting on Milwaukee Huntings at
the museum and beyond on the Streets of Old Milwaukee.
(59:04):
So come visit me on the Streets of Old Milwaukee
at the end of the month at Milwaukee Public Museum.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
That's awesome. That's such a cool space.
Speaker 6 (59:14):
And then of course you have the American Ghost Walk
tours that are all over the United States, and yes,
so much.
Speaker 7 (59:20):
Yes, yep, go to American Ghostwalks dot com. We're in
eight states and Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands and
we started right here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin in two thousand
and eight. Last question, Yeah, I'm sorry. We have my
hydroplanic garden is watering in the background. I'm sorry about that.
(59:42):
If you hear some weird water, that's what it is.
Speaker 6 (59:47):
Last question here from Lee Warner. She would like to
know the best advice for honoring the fay or the
little people. Other guests mentioned medicines, which she does have.
Speaker 7 (59:56):
Okay, great, well you can a lot of times, like
at the school, for example, we had a special spirit
pull where we put out food offerings and offerings of
medicines and such when we had feast and sweat lodges.
We would have a feast after where and we always
(01:00:16):
make a plate so you can if you have a
tree in your yard, use that and just put out,
you know, just a little bit of food. In the
old English traditions they would give cream and milk, but
you know, anything that you like, you can share a
(01:00:39):
little bit with them.
Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
And you know the medicines, you know, you can put
out sage, sweet grass, cedar and tobacco if you like.
And if you're having no trouble in your home, you
should burn those medicines.
Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
Awesome, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Awesome.
Speaker 6 (01:00:57):
Well, it's been awesome having you on. I really appreciate
love chatting with you every year here and we'll definitely
have you back again next year and hopefully best of
luck to all of you and your event coming up
this weekend.
Speaker 7 (01:01:10):
Yes, thank you so much, I really appreciate it. Born
to be Happy Indigenous People's Day.
Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
You too, all right, You have a great day. Good
luck this weekend, Take care all right, guys. That is
it for this week's episode. If you get a chance,
head on over to the Milwaukee Para Con in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
All the event information is at milwaukeeparacon dot com. That
link is in the show notes for you, guys. It
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is free, go out and enjoy. But until then, guys,
hopefully you can come out and check out all the
spooky activities that CAPS has going on this year, and
go see Allison at some of our library presentations as well.
So until next time, guys, thanks for tuning in. Remember
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Good morning, Everybody and Welcome to this week's episode of
Monsters on the Edge. Here on the Untold Radio Network.
I'm your host to Parnaby Jones of Krypton's Anomalies and
the Paranormal Society. We are live in studio today as usual,
Ladies and gentlemen. Lee Warner in the audience today, looking
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forward to today's show and learning about the Fay Awesome.
If you guys have questions or comments throughout the show,
through them in the comments section. Because we're live, we
will answer them and chat with you guys, so we
can get that stuff going as well. Coming up, guys,
it is spooky season and if you're looking for something
spooky to do this October, we are doing paranormal investigations
(03:46):
of Wisconsin's most haunted premium gentlemen's club with over one
hundred years of history. Originally built in eighteen seventy seven
by an Irish immigrant named Michael Gaynor, Gaynor's Tavern has
been down for four generations before finally being sold outside
of the family.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
The building has.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Burned twice and has over four recorded deaths in the building.
It is one of the most active investigations that we had.
We just had a group in there this past weekend
who had all kinds of stuff on the sls to
hearing things and seeing things and shadows and all kinds
of creepy things. So if you're looking for a good time,
head on over to Haunted Beansnappers dot com and get
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your tickets, or if you want a private investigation with
your team, email us at Haunted bean Snappers at gmail
dot com. Coming up, if you want even more spooky stuff,
we are going to be at the Shanno County Library
this Thursday the sixteenth, We are going to be at
the Breadville Public Library on the twenty second, and we
(04:51):
are going to be at the Nino Public Library on
October twenty fifth. All these are going to be exploring
the paranormal presentations followed by actual paranormal investigations of the libraries.
All this information can be found at wisconsincaps dot com
on our public events tab, or you can go to
(05:13):
our Facebook page and find it there as well. Then, guys,
coming up this December, we are going to be at
the Crampis event in the Brewery District of Milwaukee Sunday,
December seventh. Coming up next year, we are going to
be at the Contact Modalities Expo May second and May first, second,
(05:34):
and third in Delavan, Wisconsin, and we will be in Fondlac,
Wisconsin for CAPCN twenty twenty six. All the information on
that will be coming up later, so we will get
back to that. But ladies and gentlemen, we have an
awesome guest here. It has become a tradition on today
to speak with her, and we actually have a second
(05:57):
guest in the back as well, but we will get
to that in a second. I will let her talk
about that. But today's guest I have to do my
due diligence here. I get all flustered with flashy lights
(06:25):
and things popping up in the background. My guest today
is Alison Jordlin. She developed Milwaukee, Wisconsin's first Haunted History
Tour in two thousand and eight. Since then, she has
presented at paranormal conferences across the United States and contributed
to paranormal essays and research to several popular books. Allison
continues her work as a professional weirdo, researching and writing
(06:48):
for the American Ghost Walk Tours and so much more.
We're gonna get into here, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
Allison Jordlyn to the show.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Ay, Hey, great to see you again. Yeah, we got
a lot to talk about today, including uh Milwaukee pur Con,
which is coming up this Saturday, so I'd love to
see you there. It is completely free for guests and
so I'll get to do. Go to the website Milwaukee
(07:19):
Perican dot com. We have a great lineup of speakers.
I'm one of the speakers. I won't be talking about
fairies like I will today. I'll be talking well that's
not exactly true. I'll be talking about the spirits of
Brady Street in Milwaukee, and there is a school which
teaches about fairies right on Brady Street. So if you
(07:41):
want to hear more about that, come to see me
when I present at four o'clock. But yeah, check out
the full lineup on Milwaukee Perican dot com. And if
you're also a vendor, we have a few vendor spots
available as well, and all the sign up information is
available again at Milwaukee pericon dot com and put on
(08:03):
by my company, American Ghostwalks dot com.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Very cool, very cool.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
It's always a cool event. And the Irish Cultural and
Heritage Center is a very cool building. I guess a
couple times.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
There, Yes, at the Hallimore the Hellimore Stage. Hellamore means
a great hall in Gaelic, and that that Hellimore Stage
is actually in uh the historic Grand Avenue Congregational chart
a church, So come to see that building. Unfortunately, the
(08:36):
Irish Cultural and Heritage Center is going to have to
sell the building. The upkeep of an old building, it
is just too costly for them, uh so they can't
maintain it anymore. So this will be your last chance
to see inside. It is haunted. There's a lot of
stories of a little girl haunting the thirty foot pipe organ,
(09:02):
so that in itself, the thirty foot pipe organ is
a thing to see. But on that stage there you'll
see the speakers. But also on that stage in the past,
Helen Keller spoke in nineteen fourteen and Martin Luther King
Junior spoke in nineteen fifty seven. So this is a
(09:23):
very important landmark in Milwaukee history and it is supposed
to be haunted. So all these things plus it's free. Yeah,
you got to see the beautiful Hallimore, the thirty foot Oregon,
the incredible woodwork, and the one of the kind stained
glass windows. So come and see the Iriscultural and Heritage
(09:44):
Heritage Center this Saturday, October eighteenth, and you'll also see
a lot of great paranormal speakers and vendors as well.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Absolutely, and for those of you interested, the milwaukeepar Con
dot Com is in the sho show notes for easy
access for anybody that needs more information on that. And
you can also check it out on our Facebook page
so you can see the links for all that and
all the information.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
Yes, and like I said, it's completely free to guests,
you know, for the public, so it's free admission. Come
on in. We do on the website ask that you
sign up just so we know how many people to expect.
But it's completely free. You know, when it asks you
to order tickets, you're not ordering tickets, You're just putting
(10:32):
in a reservation so that that we know that you're coming,
like I said, so that we can prepare for the crowd.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Very cool, awesome And what else? Who else you have
for speakers?
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Oh my gosh, So of course there's me. I'm gonna
be talking about Brady Street. But of course we also
have t Crulos who will be presenting about the well
the Witches of of I was gonna say Waterford but
that's of Whitewater. That's it. The witches of Whitewater, but
(11:10):
they're not witches at all. Is going to be talking
about the spiritualist history, and it's an incredible history, especially
if you've ever had an argument with someone and they
were like, hey, dude, you know psychics are not real
because otherwise they'd win the lottery. Well, there's a story
that that goes with the hunt the history and hauntings
of Whitewater that has to do with a psychic that
(11:33):
she didn't win the lottery, but she did a mass
of fortune from tips given to her by her spirit guides,
So do check that out. Scott Marcus is also going
to be presenting on the mystery deaths in Lacrosse, so
(11:57):
check that out. That's three o'clock, so I'm at four
talking about saints and centers of Brady Street and also
a ghost and ghost in Fairies as well. Scott Marcus again,
is there a paranormal influence to the Lacrosse drownings? T Krulos,
(12:17):
Morris Pratt, and Arthur Roberts, two wild and psychic Wisconsin guys.
Hopefully he'll also talk about the woman that I'm mentioning.
If not. I'll be there and i'll pipe in. I'm
sure that's two pm. One pm is Ian steven Ian
Stephen is new this year and he's going to be
(12:37):
talking about UFO Wisconsin, Alien Wisconsin, Ordinary Lives, Extraordinary Contact.
And we'll also have the Ghost of Waukesha with Josh
Hughes at eleven am. And we're starting it all off
at ten am for the speakers with a ghost Stories
(12:59):
panel about hauntings of southeastern Wisconsin. And the doors actually
open at nine so you can check out the vendors
and then check out the speakers.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Awesome, very cool. Always a good time down there at
Milwaukee Perica.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Yeah, and again it's a milwaukeeparicon dot com for all
this information.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Absolutely awesome. Well, it has been a tradition here on
my podcast to have you, I think it's been three
or this might have been several in a row now
that you've been on because you were you were part
of a very influential group, your students in what has
(13:40):
become not just Columbus day to day, but Indigenous People Day.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
Yes, Indigenous People's Day is celebrated officially in Wisconsin. This
picture that you put up just now shows us. In
twenty sixteen, when we went to go see the More
County Board, we had written a resolution, and this resolution
(14:06):
says why they should celebrate Indigenous People's Day, why it's
so important, And the fourth graders worked really hard on
the resolution, and we of course went to a few meetings,
and this is one of the meetings where we are
(14:29):
showing our support for Indigenous People's Day and asking them
to vote on our resolution and adopt it. And so
Milwaukee County now has a resolution that was written by
fourth graders about Indigenous People's Day and they just wanted
to be celebrated to as Native people, cool, awesome, and
(14:55):
we got that past. Sorry, we got that past in
twenty sixteen. And then in twenty nineteen, I believe that's
when Tony Evers, Wisconsin's governor, came to the school where
I once taught Indian Community School and those fourth graders
were now eighth graders, and as he signed the statewide
(15:18):
proclamation saying that Wisconsin would would now celebrate Indigenous People's
Day every year, he had my former fourth graders surrounding him.
So that was a big thrill for them to see
lawmaking and action.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
That's awesome.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
We have talked in We have talked in great depth
about that on some of the other shows. I was
going to say, your other friend just dropped off, so
I don't know if, oh.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
No, you got to bring them back? What the heck?
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Alison has.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
A history of inviting special guests on her episodes of
Stage and now he's dropped off.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
So no, okay, so I'm telling him to come back.
We'll go to you right away. I know he's at work,
so maybe he he didn't.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
He didn't have a picture up, so I wasn't sure
if he was. The link was good too, so.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Okay, so we'll see if he comes back in Okay. Well,
you know, I do deal with spirits, so very Oh
he's on, He's on, Okay. So it's Indigenous People's Day.
We're going to talk about the fay. Fairies and Native
people have a lot of stories about little people. It's
(16:44):
not just in Ireland, it's all over the world that
people have stories about these others. And Brian Free Joe,
he's a Pawnee Seminole tribe member and he has his
own stories, so hopefully we can hear from him for
a little bit today.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Welcome to the show Man, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Hey, thank you. Can you guys hear me?
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Yes, Hey happy, it's great to hear you.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
Yeah, I'm I'm driving right now. It's it's a pretty
pretty busy day. I just came from a three day
pow wow in uh kind of like northern central Cali,
and uh, well they went pretty late, got back late
last night, and then now I'm going to a couple
of other events today.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
But yeah, I definitely wanted to jump on for a minute.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
Good to see Barnaby and uh good, good to see Alison.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
Yeah, thank you, Brian, so so drag if you could
give us a story or two and not getting an accident,
that would be great. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
No, it's pretty traffic's pretty nice right now.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
For one, so I mean, I mean, uh, southern California,
so it's a it's a holiday today, so the traffic
isn't too crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But yeah, I just I just want to say, who,
no idiot tot this up?
Speaker 8 (17:59):
Brian Freed, Joe Skidee Chawie, Pawnee Nation of Oklahoma, Nikuzogi's
Seminal Nation of Oklahoma. That's the wolf people of the
Pawnee Nation. And then the Bear clan of the Seminole people.
And uh, I come from a place called Tornado Alley.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
You guys seen it on the Weather Channel.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
That's where I grew up, right there in the Tornado
Alley and able to learn a lot there about our
culture and history from a lot of relatives and elders.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
And yeah, so I love stories, storytelling.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
I know you were talking about the about the LP
Some people don't they don't want to say it. They
don't want to say little people, so they say the LPs.
And then some people will say it in their language,
they'll say ours is is still a boogagie. That means
those little, the small people that are out there, that
they're still a part of our community. They they're kind
(18:52):
of like protectors of certain areas. You know, they say
they protect some of the sacred sites. They protect springs,
like where there's natural water or springs. They're the ones
that kind of take care of that so that people
don't abuse those places or you know, mess with the
land around there.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
There's always a lot of stories about them being there.
Speaker 8 (19:11):
And if you're going to get water in those areas,
they say, just go get your water and get out.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
You know. They don't. They don't want you messing around there.
You want to go get some water from that o.
Speaker 8 (19:20):
Those stories are just passed down, you know, over generations
and generations that we pass it on orally.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And so I always lived hearing those stories growing up.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
And we had a lot of activities, a lot of
activity with the little people in Oklahoma and some of
the other places that I visited, Minnesota, South Dakota, some
of these other tribal communities, even in the urban you know,
they can say that the little people can come around
there if they want to. So, is there any particular questions,
(19:51):
anything you want me to share, Alison? I know there's
so many stories. And we did a YouTube video before
in the past.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
Yeah, And I'll send that link to Barnaby so he
can he can share that as well. And and if
you do go to that YouTube video, you'll see that
there's over three hundred commenters and a lot of them
are sharing their own own stories. And people are really
commenting from all over the world. Even Poland is one
(20:20):
of them. That surprised me, one of the commenters, but
it was just amazing. Uh. You know, this is a
really taboo topic and some uh in some sectors of
the paranormal. But you know, when you scratch the surface,
you really see that there's a lot to uh these stories.
So so Brian, anything you can tell us in terms
(20:43):
of an actual story, either that you experienced or people
that you know have experienced.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Yeah, well, like the one of the stories that was
passed down is that you know when they come around,
you know, they're kind of mischievous and they're trying to
get your attention or they're trying to just kind of
mess with people, and you know they like to do
that and some people, especially if they don't believe it,
you know, they're the ones that kind of they mess
(21:12):
with too. So to kind of show them that there's
there are things out there that we can't explain. You know,
they're mysterious. In the language, we call it a chick
spot k stee doo. It means that it's like they're
mysterious and we can't really figure it out.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But they're spiritual.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
They're like a spiritual nature, but they're mysterious, the mysteries
of life.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
But there was one I had had an uncle, my
mom's uncle.
Speaker 8 (21:36):
He was an older man, elder, and I said when
he was younger he's They used to always come around
their house and they always said, you know, don't don't
go play with them, don't don't don't.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Be curious and try to go with them and follow them.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
And this one uncle that we had, they used to
always come around when he was young, and that at
night they couldn't find him. He wouldn't be in his bed,
and so they would be looking for him and they
would go out there.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
They live. It's in an area.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Called we Woka it means barking Water where they grew up.
And my uncle had lived in that same house for
his whole life. So I was able to visit this
house and this this community. And he his uncle's name was,
it was Uncle ed Edward. And I guess they kept
coming out to him and they kept trying to tell him,
you don't go out there. You're not supposed to go
(22:21):
out there, you know, with with those little people at night,
and so he kept going out there, and then they
would find him out in the woods and bring him
back and he kind of they said, it would mess
it can mess with people, you know, that's what we
don't mess around with things that that were told about
that that of that other side of that and that
(22:42):
are in that portal, the ones that can kind of
come in and out of that portal, and so he
I guess he kept going out out of the curiosity.
After that, they said that they would always come to
his house looking for him, and so they had to
put medicine out there, you know, so they wanted to
leave him alone. And he became like over the time,
he became kind of like a recluse. And I guess
(23:04):
he would go out and talk with those little people.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And uh, they said he had a lot of knowledge.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
He would share stories about like old, old traditional stories
about where the medicines were, you know, old teachings that
they had, because those little people had a lot of
that knowledge. But he never would he would never leave
his house and and he stayed in the back.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Room of that house.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
And he would never leave the house, and they'd always
take him and he'd always stay in the car. He
didn't really talk to people, and he only spoke in
the language. But when I went out there to visit
my uncle that was his brother. I would go out
there to visit him, and it's way on the country
and we'd be sitting there, and he really loved the
Los Angeles Lakers. So we'd always go and watch basketball games.
(23:44):
And I'd be sitting in his front room, little little, small,
little country house, and he had a porch that went around.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
The whole side of his house, and we'd we'd be.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
Talking watching a game, you know, laughing, and I would
hear running on that porch and I'd ask him, I
was like, what is that?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Was loud to get here?
Speaker 8 (24:02):
Running like it sounded like dogs are running or like
kids were running around outside on the porch. And I'd
ask him like, what is what is that? You know,
some dogs out there? And he he was say no, no, and.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
We just keep talking. I was like, man, what's out there?
I want to go. I want to go see what's
out there? You know.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
He goes, He goes, no, you know, don't go out there,
and he said, they know this house.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
You know they're coming here. They want they want people to.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Go out and take them out there, you know, take
them out into their into their world.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And I always wanted to go, and he would just
be like, no, no, nephew, just stay in here and here.
I'll be back.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
And he would go outside and he'd be out there
for like about ten fifteen minutes. Then he'd come back
in and, uh, it's a house, it's all right, it's
all right, okay, you know, we'd sit.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
There and talk. But every time I was out.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
There, you know, I felt that that uh, that spiritual,
that mysterious energy, and it always been ingurious. And so
later on in life, you know, when I have my
own experiences with the little people.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Who they came to my dad's house too.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
But there's just so many stories, you know, and a
lot of people that that don't believe it. You know,
they're the ones that I kind of feel like when
they come around those areas in our in our native communities,
that they'll have an experience.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
You know.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
It's one of those things where, uh, it's not just storytelling,
it's kind of part of our belief system where they
there's a teaching in there that tells you, you know,
be careful what you what you go around, you know,
be careful where you go. You know, the way they
tell told told us when we're young, I'll go out
in those woods. Don't go out there and follow just
(25:34):
anybody or anything.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Those things that kind of come are past them, you know.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Because of what happened to my uncle, he became pretty
much a recluse there is life because he didn't want
to be around people. He kind of almost just wanted
to be around those those little people. And so yeah,
that was an interesting, interesting childhood growing up around that,
you know, and and hear these stories. But me and
Allison shared some stories on the YouTube, and we could
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go on and on. I definitely like to come back
and I share some other stories too. Where in Minnesota
they got some pictures of the little people there at
a at a big Native community event.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
It was like, do you have these? No, they took them.
They the person that that took the pictures and video.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
Later that night, you know, they they tried to share
those pictures and later that night I guess they came
to their house and they took their all their pictures.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Were deleted and the video was gone, and then all.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
This stuff was all scattered around in those people's house
that had that had taken the video. So yeah, the
pretty much came and yeah, they came and took it
and then all the like the the images were kind
of like you know when they look like they're overexposed
and all that stuff. They were just after that, later
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that day they were all messed up.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
So Brian actually is a speaker and a motivational speaker
and performer and musician. And you you have visited many
of the reservations across the country.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Right, Yeah, where I just was, it's northern central Cali.
It's Bigfoot Country and a lot of the tribes there
Bigfoot is part of their their history and their storytelling.
They have like images everywhere, and it's one of the sites,
a place called Tuley River if you look it up,
it's where they have the cave and the rock paintings
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on their reservation. And they don't let anybody there. You
have to know tribal members and people you know in
that tribe and their historians to go there and just.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Look at it.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
They don't let anybody on that reservation like other like
the paranormal shows and people have tried to go there,
they don't. They don't let them there either, But it's
because it's part of their culture and they're not supposed
to kind of like I guess, like expose that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
They just keep it within their their people.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
But they have it's in their regalia and everything, like
it's in their beadwork and they have.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Books, they have songs.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
They have bigfoot songs, and it's like you take they
take that very serious, and you don't you know, like
like you know, laugh or make fun of it because
it's like it's part of their culture. So that's where
I just came from. Really beautiful country up there in
central Cali.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
Well, and I know, Barnaby would love to have you
on again because you have so many stories from all
over the country. I know last time we spoke, uh,
you told me about your wild experience with skin walkers.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
Uh so, yeah, I was glad they they they kind
of put a.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
The rental car.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
I took a rental car and they did damage on
the rear bumper of the rental car. I have pictures
of that too, Barnaby, I could I could share that,
show you the claw depth, the whole the rear bumper
of that rental car, like look like uh like Freddy Krueger.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Well, that is so fascinating. And and Brian, you mentioned
the medicines, and uh, I think we should explain that
just a little just uh. I think paranormal investigators who
might be watching the show are familiar with of course
uh smudging with sage. But there's also many other many
other medicines including you know, the top four would be sage,
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sweet grass, tobacco, and cedar. But so that's what was
that what you were talking about when you mentioned putting
out the medicine for the LPs.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Yeah, yeah, they just offer you know, if you could
put out food, you know, you kind of want to
have respect for them if they start to come around
or there starts to be activity you know at your
at your home or work and things like that, so
you put out make an offering of those those medicines
or even food. Yeah, Like retribe kind of has different
medicines that they use, Like tobacco is kind of like
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the oldest one, and and that's always an offering, you know,
kind of like a peace offering. You know, you kind
of want peace with the with the with the animals,
with nature, with the spirits. And uh, that's the one
that we use. But there's also another one this elder
shared with me. You know, if people are having a
lot of activity, a lot of like ghosts and spirits
in their house, it's called the ghost medicine. I don't know,
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if I know, there's some different words in the language.
You know that they what they call that one, but
it's from it's from a plant in Oklahoma. This one
elder he gave me some of that. He told me,
you know, if people are really having problems in this
in the smudging and the sage isn't working, then you
kind of go to the next that next level of
medicines to use and to help people in their houses.
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And I know, I've worked in California as some treatment
centers and they have like I guess, after they go
through the red the detox, they go to a sober
living home. And these are big homes, like there's either
six eight rooms. People are living there, and there's a
lot of activity in there, you know, when people are
living in addiction, and and I'm kind of messing with
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the dark sides of life. Uh, there's a lot of
cleansing that needs to happen. So I've been going to
some of the houses and uh, I smoke out or
smudge the house and kind of try to clear out
the negative energies and and uh like people are seeing
spirits and ghosts in these places and.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Kind of think it goes along with that lifestyle.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
You know, there's you know some or people like people
just everybody not just natives, but everybody, you know, you know,
there's an addiction problem, and we have our medicines to
use against that, you know, for protection, to cleanse, and
to heal.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
And so those are some of the things that I
was taught, you know, growing up, and that's what I
used because it works.
Speaker 8 (31:49):
They had a ghost or a spirit at this one
sober living and everyone was seeing it, but they didn't
want to smoke the house off because the house manager
she never saw anything.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
That woman was like, I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
Finally she saw it, and these are not native people,
and when she finally saw it, she's like, okay, yeah,
we need to do something.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So I ended up going over there and we put
a prayer up and we smashed the house off and then.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Things have been pretty good, but recently they said they
might need it again.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
But yeah, just things like that.
Speaker 8 (32:21):
You know that our old traditional ways of life and
believe spiritual beliefs and they're still here.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Yeah. I'm going to follow up with you on that
ghost medicine so that we can provide some more information
to people who might need that. If the if the
other four of the top medicines aren't working, but it'd
be interesting to see, like what that plant is. And
(32:49):
I love botany, so certainly.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Yeah, and all those medicines gotta grow really well in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I love being over there and work in there.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
All those medicines were Milwaukee is the good Land or
they say that's the like the good Land.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That's the translation.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
I'm sure there's more translations, but that's what Milwaukee means.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Yeah, Well send me some seeds, Brian. I'm getting better
at my garden, so I started growing some of those,
which I really appreciate this. Uh, you know, I don't
know if you have any questions, Barnaby, or there was
anybody in the chat that had any questions. Where we
still have, Brian, I know we can't monopolism for too
(33:33):
much longer. What was that?
Speaker 6 (33:36):
I have a ton, But you know I I again,
I appreciate coming on, and I would love to have
you on for for an episode of your own as
well eventually, and we'll have to stay in touch. And
I don't want to keep you when you're driving and
stuff either.
Speaker 8 (33:48):
So yeah, I gotta jump off, but you guys have
a good day, and I look forward to talking to
you guys soon.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Yes, happy Indigenous People's day.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yes, thank you so much. Oh do hey goods? Thank
you man, take care awesome.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Well that was really fun. So Indigenous People's Day is
every day. It's great that you have me on because
we can remind people of how important learning about indigenous
cultures is because I think if you're watching and you
heard just a little bit of what Brian said, I mean,
it opens up a whole world for you of different
(34:30):
ideas and different ways of dealing with the spiritual and
the supernatural and the paranormal. So they have a toolbox
that we could we could all be using. So it
you know, it's always great to get together with other
(34:52):
cultures and mix it around because that is that's going
to make a difference for individuals and also the field itself.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Yeah, it's really interesting just that the couple of months
that we we get to chat with in there, because
you know, we were talking before the show and stuff.
You know, over Iceland and and these other places have
such a rich history of fairy and folklore and things
like that that we hear about, and you know, it's
so ingrained into their culture and it's not often that
you know, even he said it, it's not often that
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you get to hear from the indigenous people about these things.
You know, we always hear about Bigfoot in North or
in the United States pretty much. And I've I've heard
like a lot of the dog man stories from the
Canadian indigenous people, which we don't have a lot in
the United Yeah, and then the lower the United States here,
and but I I honestly haven't heard much of anything
(35:46):
about the little people or the fairy or anything from
indigenous people.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
So yeah, so there's a there's a vast database of
knowledge that we could have access to. But I think
what happens with with every culture, with every like subgroup,
you know, So we're not just talking about cultures, you know,
(36:10):
we're talking about just uh, you know, political groups, you know,
community groups. They can be quite insular. And I think
it's time we break those walls down across the board
so that we can start learning from each other instead
of judging others from afar. You don't know what you're
(36:33):
talking about unless you get out there and talk to people.
And Brian would be a great guest to have on
because you know, not only is he Panie and seminole himself,
but he's also been a motivational speaker and performer and
a pow wow dancer at at different events and different
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reservations throughout the country. So he's at and he's and
he's actually filmed some of his of the paranormal stories
he's gotten from these tribe members. So there's there's a
tremendous amount of knowledge out there that we haven't had
access to just because you know, I think it's it's
(37:21):
hard to approach communities such as the Native community because
you know, they have been so disenfranchised and you might
not know where to start. I started by working at
Indian Community School. Well actually that's not that's not true,
because when I went to UW Milwaukee, I saw it
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out their Native Studies program, So in effect, I had
a minor in Native studies and that's why I got
my position at Indian Community School as a fourth grade teacher,
you know, and I was there at the school for
thirteen years. So it's a great community and I got
(38:05):
to see the inside of it and there's just so
much there that would be a value across the board,
but also to the paranormal community. And we also have
to break down walls about you know, different taboos as
it has to do with with with the little people.
(38:27):
I know, you know, this might be this might be
something that that I'm not supposed to talk about, but
I'm going to talk about it because it was a
few years ago anyway. But Grant Wilson, I was at
an event where he was one of the speakers. I
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was one of the speakers as well, and Grant Wilson
from the og from ghost Hunters, the ghost Hunters TV show,
he talked about He talked about a little person experience
that he had as a child in the forest, and
he acted like it was some big deal and he
was embarrassed about it, but he still wanted to talk
(39:08):
about it, but he didn't want anybody to film or
But the thing is why, you know, these are others.
We don't know exactly what they are, but you know,
they might be another kind of spirit. We really don't know.
But no subjects should be off limits in the paranormal world,
(39:30):
especially when when you look at when you look at fairies,
which you know it sounds laughable, but they have numerous names,
not just fairies. That's the name we know it by
and that's stigmatized. But let's just say the others. So
these mysterious others are represented cross culturally and when you're
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looking for evidence of is there any there there when
you're talking about the paranormal, Well, it's really compelling when
you know about little person stories from around the world.
I do have a couple of YouTube channels, YouTube dot
com slash Paranormal Women and YouTube dot com slash Mothman. Now,
(40:18):
if you go to the second one, YouTube dot com
slash Mothman, you'll see an interview that I did with
Brian where he tells he tells more little people's stories.
And the exciting thing about that video is, Okay, I've
got a lot of videos out there, not a lot
of people watching, just being honest, but that video with
(40:40):
Brian is really popular. And like I said, I haven't
checked it lately, but it's been up for a few years,
but it has. It has over three hundred comments, and
the bulk of the comments are people from around the
world world sharing their little people stories. So we have
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people from different countries. We also have people from various
tribes in North America all coming together to share their stories.
So it's amazingly cross cultural. And don't take my word, Fred,
go to YouTube look at the video and then read
some of those comments, and I think you'll be fascinated.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
Very interesting. So there were some thoughts that when the
non indigenous people and the white folks came to America
from Europe and stuff, that we brought these little people
over from Iceland and that do you think that, you know,
hearing about the indigenous stories and stuff, they were here
(41:46):
before that? Right?
Speaker 7 (41:48):
Okay, that is a really good question, because like with Bigfoot,
there's a lot of different names for little people amongst
the various tribes. Now I have not asked different you know,
people from all those various cultures about their words for
(42:09):
the little people and uh where and where they can
trace them to. Uh, but I do know that Bigfoot,
for example, in a Jibwe, which is a culture uh
very that's very populous in Wisconsin, but then also up
(42:32):
into Canada. Uh in of course Minnesota. Uh so a
lot a lot of uh Ojibwe people of various bands
and so at the school, Indian Community School, one of
the teachers of native language, so we we taught three
different languages that people could go to. UH. That the
(42:53):
that the students and the teachers took classes in these
various native languages every single day, uh, of the of
the school year. Now, one of the teachers wasn't a
Jibway teacher, and so I I, you know, in our
off time, I'm like, hey, what about Bigfoot? What are
the names for Bigfoot? And then I asked them, are
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these are these constructions? Like there are certain things like
toaster for example. Of course, the the a Jibway back
in the day did not have a name for toaster,
but then they put like different words together to mean
toaster today. Uh so that's what I was asking about bigfoot.
And he said, no, you know, these are this is
(43:38):
an ancient belief and these aren't ancient words. So do
I know for certain? I mean I do think that,
you know, some of the little people could have come along.
But if there were little people in all these various
countries all over the world, there were probably indigenous populations
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of those native people are of those native little people.
So you know, I think there's probably both to answer
your question, you know, both bringing them and having having
little people that are indigenous to the Americas. So yeah,
I don't have anything that says that definitively, but you know,
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we're talking fairies. There is nothing definitive.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
Now, there's a lot of crossover between your fairy lore
and your like uphology with the whole abductions and the
changelings and things like that were the taking of children,
and and even in the Bigfoot lore and stuff with
the whistling in the woods and the women screaming and stuff.
You have a lot of crossover between these different stories.
(44:52):
Do you think that these are all separate phenomenon or
do you think that that each of these things is
its own thing or that are the fairy creatures you
know what we consider the extraterrestrials.
Speaker 7 (45:05):
Yeah, so, as you said, there's a lot of crossover,
and I would welcome people to look up a book
that I participated in. Josh Kutchen Uh wrote The Trojan Feast,
for example, So he's a great scholar of fairy lure
and a few years ago he recruited me and some
(45:27):
other paranormal writers to write a book called Fairy Films.
And I provided the PDF of my entry uh to
to you, barnaby, so if we can link to it,
we will do so, uh so that so that you
can read it and you know see that Yeah, there's
(45:51):
there are there are connections that come out, and my
my entry, uh to the book Fairy Films was, Yeah,
it's it refers to popular movies where uh, fairy beliefs
were represented. But then it also goes into the actual
(46:15):
folklore and real events, which tend to show that there
there's probably something real to this phenomenon. So do I
think it's connected. Yeah, I think everything is probably connected.
Our our aliens and fairy is the same thing. Well,
you know, I know, I know there are UFO researchers
(46:40):
that that seem to think there's there's a connection there
because of the similarities in the folklore. Of course, we
can't we can't say for sure, but I would welcome
to people that look deeper, uh and to see what
these stories really are and then compare them to other
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stories that they've heard in other areas of the paranormal.
Speaker 6 (47:05):
You mentioned Joshua Cutchins. I just want to give a
shout out to him. He's going to be on the
Paranormal Spectrum here coming up. I think, what do I
tell you, November thirteenth, it's a middle of November. He's
going to be on my show there so you can
hear more about that. But awesome awesome guy. I've gotten
a chance to talk to him, and I have his
complete collection of books, if I'd only have the time
to sit down and actually read them.
Speaker 7 (47:26):
Yes, well, well he goes deep and yeah, certainly there
are connections, and his specialty is connecting fairy lower to
abduction phenomena, for example, So he certainly does a lot
(47:47):
of work in that regard.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
So there's so many I find this really interesting.
Speaker 6 (47:55):
You mentioned Grant Wilson as well about having had this thing,
and you know, for somebody that goes out in the
paranormal field and does ghost hunting and puts yourself out
there as you know this, you know, Oh, ghosts are real.
You know, I've seen there's demons, there's all this stuff.
Why why is there such a stigmatism around the little people? Yeah,
(48:15):
Christopher Fleming from Chicago. The medium also talks about having
seen a gnome in his house. So you got these
these people that you know, like have actually had these encounters.
Do you know of any other Like, what's the most
modern story that you've heard the most recent.
Speaker 7 (48:36):
Well, well, certainly heard from John Tenny and John Tanny.
Is uh is just a wealth of knowledge in the
paranormal and he he saw an elf, and he believes
that elf actually came home with him. Uh And and
(48:57):
I also can provide a YouTube link to his his
interview where you can watch more about all the details
in his in his sighting and and his encounters. And
then I can also send you this picture that he
drew from me of what he saw. Uh So, how
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to see an elf in three days? He has if
you want to see an elf, he has different things.
He has a whole list of things you need to
do if you want to get yourself ready. So eat
only I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (49:36):
The spinning around in a circle looking at the clouds.
Speaker 7 (49:39):
That's one of them. That's one of them.
Speaker 6 (49:41):
So I've heard this.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
Yeah, So so number one is eat only fruits and vegetables,
drink only water. Okay, So he's a vegan, John Tenny,
I'm a vegan too, so it's maybe easier for us.
But if you want to see an elf, he's saying
that this is what you have to do.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (49:59):
And then three times per day, whistle or hum a tune.
And then three times per day smile at your reflection
in a mirror, of course, and then three days, three
times per day gently touch a living plant. And then
imagine you are looking at the night sky as you
drift to sleep, so that you close your eyes but
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you feel like you can still see the stars. And
then lastly, as as soon as possible, let's see Okay,
I'm walking. Let let the sunshine on your face for
several minutes. Now, I do I do remember that there
were some turns. I don't have that on this list.
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What do you remember about that?
Speaker 6 (50:43):
There was something about having that sense of like childlike wonder.
So yes, and you spun in a circle, and you
looked up at the sky, laid in press on your back.
And I've heard John Tenny speak quite a few times,
and if anybody hasn't, he's definitely worth seeing it. Any
can venions and stuff. But yeah, there was there was
some other stuff just basically get back to your innocence. Yeah,
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so child mentality.
Speaker 7 (51:08):
Those are the big ones that I listed off. But
I know there is something about spinning or turning in
a certain way, so I'll have to I'll have to
refresh my notes on that. But yeah, start start with
the with the other six and then move on to spinning.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
If those don't work, spin in a circle, until you
see it, spin.
Speaker 7 (51:33):
In a circle until you see it, or you drop.
Speaker 6 (51:37):
What rocks as a comedy says, compare these gnome and
elves to what people see on d MT. It's on cannon.
Speaker 7 (51:45):
Oh yes, okay, there's a number of books written on DMNT.
Dime ethyl trip to mean which is produced in the brain,
but also you can smoke it so and you can
take it intravenously, which has I think the intravenous administration
(52:06):
was was used in medical experiments to see if there's
any there's any consistency with the visions that people have.
If you know Terrence McKenna, he talked about the machine
elves that were seen on d MT. Uh so, uh,
(52:27):
there's this idea that there are elves that that work
together to create and adjust a reality, and so apparently
you can access them on d MT. I I want
to I'm straight aed, so I don't know personally, but
(52:49):
I'm you know, it's very interesting. And Rick Strassman was
the scientist if you're googling this, and I think the
book that he wrote was called the d MT The
Spirit Molecule. So anyway, there's yeah, I the the idea
is that psychedelics like d MT, and d MT is
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like the root of all psychedelics or most psychedelics, is
my understanding, and it's it's naturally produced in the brain,
but also in ayahuasca and psilocybin, there's there's a DM
concentration and that's the scientific reason that you have divisions
that you have. I believe, not an expert, just an enthusiast,
(53:34):
but yeah, I think there might be something to the
idea that they're always there, but you can only see
them when your brain is trained on one of these substances. Uh,
Like you know d MT in particular, that that it
gives you access to what's going on in the fairy realm. Certainly, Hey,
(53:59):
you know, other people have seen them without resorting to drugs,
So but this is one way that people access that knowledge.
Speaker 6 (54:08):
Yeah. I've heard a lot of stories about, like you know,
like I said, the research of people taking it and
seeing faces or images that are come back very extraterrestrial
or elvish or fairy ish. H that they've described. That
so really interesting there. Yeah, let's see the indescribable octomand
(54:29):
says uh, talk about the magic out loud in the woods.
It gets their attention.
Speaker 7 (54:34):
Yes, so yeah, you might wanna you might want to
consider that carefully before you do that. Now, it's not
to say that that the Fay these others are evil.
It's just that they're they're not always pro human.
Speaker 6 (54:53):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (54:53):
And there are others, there are other consciousnesses, so you
have to be here fall around them. You know, they
can be benevolent, but they can also be malevolent. So
as Brian said, you know, you have to be careful.
You can't just go out there and think it's gonna
be like a little tinker balls uh and little fairies
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with wings when you really look into the actual folk
or uh, there's there's a number of descriptions and some
of them ain't that cute. Some of them are really frightful.
So so just be careful out there. Uh. And as
as I mentioned, you know, I will I will link
(55:41):
or I will give Barnaby some links to send to
my interview with Brian fried Joe about a native uh
little people. And also I have interviews with others like
the headmaster of the Elf School and give it iceland.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (56:01):
So if you're interested in this topic, you know we're
coming to an end here. But there's there's just a
ton more and I'll try to provide what I can
and you can. You can always reach me at Alison
at American Ghostwalks dot com. Alison is spelled just like
(56:22):
all is on a L L I S O N
at American ghost Walks here thes dot com. Uh and yeah,
send me something weird and I'd love to meet you
in person at milwaukeepuracon dot com. If you're you're in Wisconsin,
come see us October eighteenth, that's the Saturday. We'll be
(56:43):
there from nine to five at the Irish Cultural and
Heritage Center on Wisconsin Avenue. So do check it out
and come see that beautiful historic building before it's no more.
Speaker 6 (56:57):
Are they going to tear down for real?
Speaker 7 (56:58):
Or I hope not. I hope they just sell it
to someone who has more funds to be able to
restore it. I mean that would be really terrible, but
just in case, you know, get in there and see it.
See the stage where Martin Luther King spoke in nineteen
fifty seven and Helen Keller spoken in nineteen fourteen, and
(57:19):
look for the little ghost in the thirty foot pipe organ.
It's gonna be a magical day.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
It is an amazing building.
Speaker 6 (57:26):
Like I said, I've gotten to speak the last couple
of years at the event and the stage and the
whole atrium out there with the Oregon and the balconies
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
That's all.
Speaker 7 (57:34):
Yeah, it has a presence and it's free, so why
not come? Yes, you do have to sign up just
so we can prepare for the onslaught of people, but
it is absolutely free, so please come join us and
get more information at milwaukeeparacn dot com and there are
a couple of vendor slots still available.
Speaker 6 (57:57):
Well, Allison, it has been awesome here. We got some
stuff in the show notes here for you as well.
American Ghost Walks is in the show notes. Milwaukee Para Con,
Paranormal Women and the link for your interview with John
Tenny are all in the show notes right now as
I speak. So if anybody's interested in more information on that,
you can go and click there and get all that. Alison,
(58:18):
do you have any other events coming up? Are you
speaking of anything else?
Speaker 7 (58:21):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, lots of lots of library presentations. I
have one at the Germantown Library, when at the Edgerton Library,
and I'll be at the Halloween Hauntings event at Milwaukee
Public Museum. That's for members. That's near the end of
(58:44):
the month. That's a Friday and a Saturday. I believe
this year, instead of doing a mini tour because the
mezzanine is closed on the third floor, I will be
in the Little Nickelodeon Theater presenting on Milwaukee Huntings at
the museum and beyond on the Streets of Old Milwaukee.
(59:04):
So come visit me on the Streets of Old Milwaukee
at the end of the month at Milwaukee Public Museum.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
That's awesome. That's such a cool space.
Speaker 6 (59:14):
And then of course you have the American Ghost Walk
tours that are all over the United States, and yes,
so much.
Speaker 7 (59:20):
Yes, yep, go to American Ghostwalks dot com. We're in
eight states and Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands and
we started right here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin in two thousand
and eight. Last question, Yeah, I'm sorry. We have my
hydroplanic garden is watering in the background. I'm sorry about that.
(59:42):
If you hear some weird water, that's what it is.
Speaker 6 (59:47):
Last question here from Lee Warner. She would like to
know the best advice for honoring the fay or the
little people. Other guests mentioned medicines, which she does have.
Speaker 7 (59:56):
Okay, great, well you can a lot of times, like
at the school, for example, we had a special spirit
pull where we put out food offerings and offerings of
medicines and such when we had feast and sweat lodges.
We would have a feast after where and we always
(01:00:16):
make a plate so you can if you have a
tree in your yard, use that and just put out,
you know, just a little bit of food. In the
old English traditions they would give cream and milk, but
you know, anything that you like, you can share a
(01:00:39):
little bit with them.
Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
And you know the medicines, you know, you can put
out sage, sweet grass, cedar and tobacco if you like.
And if you're having no trouble in your home, you
should burn those medicines.
Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
Awesome, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Awesome.
Speaker 6 (01:00:57):
Well, it's been awesome having you on. I really appreciate
love chatting with you every year here and we'll definitely
have you back again next year and hopefully best of
luck to all of you and your event coming up
this weekend.
Speaker 7 (01:01:10):
Yes, thank you so much, I really appreciate it. Born
to be Happy Indigenous People's Day.
Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
You too, all right, You have a great day. Good
luck this weekend, Take care all right, guys. That is
it for this week's episode. If you get a chance,
head on over to the Milwaukee Para Con in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
All the event information is at milwaukeeparacon dot com. That
link is in the show notes for you, guys. It
(01:01:36):
is free, go out and enjoy. But until then, guys,
hopefully you can come out and check out all the
spooky activities that CAPS has going on this year, and
go see Allison at some of our library presentations as well.
So until next time, guys, thanks for tuning in. Remember
to like, subscribe, and share all things here on the
Untold Radio Network. If you're looking for more spooky activities,
(01:01:57):
go check out American Ghost Walks and they have tours
all over the United States, Puerto Rico and beyond, so
all kinds of places. No matter whether you're local or
on vacation, you can go learn some spooky history. Until
next time, guys, thanks for watching, and I'll see you
on the edge.
Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
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