Monsters on the Edge #134 Creatures of the Cumberland Plateau with Guest Randy Hutchings

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right here.

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And then out of nowhere.

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We're here.

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It's about like earthshaking. Grunt rolled shoulder and grabbed the
ground and pulled itself towards my vehicle. And I heard
a book and I come over here and Nat watch
play about right.

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There in the middle of my guard You know, how
can you walk in that new grape at thirty degree temperature?

Speaker 4 (05:23):
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Speaker 5 (05:26):
I saw something dark in light from right to left.
It was big happy.

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through them in the comment section. We'll get to them
as soon as possible. But now, ladies and gentlemen, here's
our guest. My guest today is Randy Hutchings. He is

(07:18):
the author of Bear Mountain Bigfoot. He is a dedicated
paranormal and Bigfoot field investigator since the late nineteen nineties,
exploring the deep hollows and rugged force of Tennessee's southern
Cumberland Plateau in search of answers to some of the
region's oldest mysteries. A lifelong outdoorsman, Hutchings combines his love

(07:42):
for hiking, camping, and backcountry exploration with a passion for
documenting the unexplained phenomenon and local folklore. His work bridges
the gap between field investigating, instigation and storytelling, preserving eyewitness
accounts and regional legends that keep the history of Bigfoot
and other appellation enigmas alive for future generations. Ladies and gentlemen,

(08:06):
please welcome to the show, Randy Hutchings.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
Randy welcome, Thank you man, Thank you for having me again.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Oh it's my pleasure. Man. Well, your bio says that
you are the author of the Bigfoot book. But since
we've talked on Thursday, you have some exciting news that
your brand new book has come out over the weekend. Yes, yes, awesome,
Tennessee pigmy legend or reality tell us all about that.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
Okay, So the area that I live in, specifically Warren County, Tennessee.
Warren County, White County, and Cannon are coffee counties which
are all kind of like right up each other and
kind of like a crescent along the plateau have histories
going back to the eighteen twenties of them finding these

(08:56):
little pigmy graveyards and some of these like in the
nineteen twenties, Turner Lane was a gentleman who first started
describing these, and it kicked up such a huge fuss
in Tennessee that the burgeoning antiquary in society of Tennessee

(09:17):
took it on as this personal like right they were
going to basically follow. And they said, they said that
this this stuff went so crazy that the Smithsonian got
involved in the eighteen sixties. It's it's wild, like how
much this If there's any crypti that really is tied

(09:37):
to Tennessee, especially the history of Tennessee, it's the Tennessee pigmies.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Interesting, Well, so tell me more about them. When you
say pigmy, what are what are we talking about?

Speaker 5 (09:49):
When they started finding these graves, the graves were in
these slate slate stone boxes. They were about two feet underground.
They the bodies were interred in a way that they
were either sitting in the feetal position with their arms
over their their knees, or some of them were just
sitting up holding what they described as little little ceramic pots.

(10:16):
None of the bodies that were found were larger than
three foot tall. And the part that really that that
astounded Turner Lane originally when he first when he started
finding these on his property back in in uh in
White County, back in the eighteen twenties, was that these
bodies were being found with all of their wisdom, teeth
intact where they'd come in uh and the sutures on

(10:39):
the top of their skull had grown in. There was
no soft spot, so there was It gave all the
the showings of being an adult, a human, but in
this little three foot tall, you know, pigmy size. And
like I said, this, this brought people from all over
the nation into this region and looking for these pygmy graves.

(11:01):
Graves and thousands of them were interred over over about
a sixty year time period between several counties going throughout
all throughout the Cumberland River system, partially going up into Kentucky.
There was some that were found up there, but none
of them. The thing that that unites them all was

(11:21):
that none of them were over three foot tall that
were found.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Are there still sightings of these things? Like living today?

Speaker 5 (11:32):
I've taken seven sidings of little people crypti little people,
and what's wild about them is they're not hairy.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
They They described them as being naked, at least all
the ones I've taken personally, except for one. There was
one instance where they talked about them wearing what looked
like they have. They describe it primitive clothing was how
they described it. But in the other instances, the other
sixth instances, they've described them as being these small, naked,

(12:01):
lean humans that and the one guy even responded that
it looked like a hobbit the way he described it.
But in every one of those instances, it was people
driving buying cars that saw these things. One instance, it
was going to bring that up in a minute, but
there was people driving buying cars and these things seemingly

(12:22):
were trying to cross the road and they were waiting
for the cars to go by before they crossed the road.
And that one instance that I took that that didn't
involve a car. There was a lady h this is
locally here in the Warrenck County that I live in.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
She was.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
Washing dishes at the back of her kitchen and uh
at the back of her house. And she had moved
in about four months prior to this, and there was
one of those aluminum building out buildings like at the
at the back part of her property, and it was
all overgrown, so there was vines on it and all this.
And she said that since they moved in, they hadn't
messed with it it it was overgrown. They figured it

(13:01):
was just full of rats, you know, so they left alone.
And while she's washing her dishes, she said, she watches
the doors of this aluminum out building crack and start
to slide open, and she watches as this little as
she described it, two and a half to three foot
tall little man sneaks his way out, like with his

(13:22):
back up against the wall, and sneaks along the side
of this outbuilding all the way to the woodline, and
says she watched him run off into the woods.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Did he close the door behind him? He did not,
So it obviously didn't come back then, either, did it.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
It did not it didn't appear to no.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Interesting. So it wasn't like it wasn't like living in
the out building, just kind of hiding out there.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
Maybe yeah, yeah, But the Cherokee in this region have
the legends of what's called the un with Sundy and
the Inn with Sundy were described as three foot tall
humans that lived in There was three clans of yun
with Sunday. There was the Laurel clan that lived in
Laurel pockets, there was the Rock clan that lived in caves,
and there was the Dogwood clan that lived in the forest,

(14:16):
the open forests, and it was the Rock clan. You
didn't want to mess with. The Rock clan was was
pretty violent. You had a better actually talked about that
you had a better chance of surviving a an encounter
with a Sasquatch than you did with the un with
Sundy from the Stone clan. They were pretty violent, but

(14:36):
they described that the un with Sunday lived in the
caves of this region, lived in the mountains. I'm sorry
of this region and I always thought it really interested
that all of those graves were found on the western
edge of the of the Cherokee what used to be
the Cherokee territories back in the day, and it's in
the exact same area where they had the legends of
the Inwood Sundy residing.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Well, this is interesting. Going back to talking about the graves,
you said that they were actually in like coffins, right.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Little slate graves. Yes, made out of slate slight rock.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Huh. And that's that's really interesting because when we talk
about like Bigfoot and stuff and why we haven't found
a body, you know, like if these things, you know,
not to compare completely, like pygmies and bigfoots and stuff,
but we always wonder, like what where are the bodies
and stuff like that, Well, here are these other humanoid
creatures that are burying their dead, right, so actually, you know,

(15:35):
digging a hole, putting these these bodies in there, and
looks like kind of ceremonial fashion where they're burying them
with pottery or other stuff like you said, So, why
why do we not believe that that Bigfoot couldn't be
doing the same thing.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
Yeah, oh totally yeah. And uh, you know the fact
that they did find pottery I bring up I've got
a whole chapter in my book about that. Uh. The
significance of the pottery because you have to have society
to be able to craft pottery. You have to have
you have to have some sort of civilization that you know,
is capable of mastering fire and earthworks and all kinds

(16:15):
of stuff just to be able to make those little pots.
So I think those pots are one of the most
most significant things about that story that that they just
kind of gloss over and don't really talk about. They
also talked about in those pots were found often we're
found seashells, which I found again significant because we're landlocked
in Tennessee. Yeah, so where were these seashells coming from?

(16:37):
Was this was this signifying trade, you know, amongst the
tribes in this region with with these little people.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
So yeah, and that's you know, if they're not the
ones making the pottery or these things, then they're obviously
trading or getting them from the native tribes and stuff
in there that are just and they're there. It shows
that they're considering these things worthy of being buried with
the people.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, that's fascinating.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
And the Cherokee talked about that the inn with Sunday,
we were responsible for a lot of healing medicines that
the Cherokee elders knew about because it would h a
lot of the way. The ritual of it was when
you knew that there was an area where these little
people lived, these in with Sundy, you would go out
there and you would give a gift of tobacco and

(17:31):
in return they would gift you the plants that you
were needing for your illness. And so you know that
there there's the Cherokee legends along with the the archaeology
associated with the with these little graves shows that there
had to be some kind of complex society going on,
you know in this region.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
H that's fascinating. You know, sometimes we hear of like
the gifting and stuff with Bigfoot as well of putting
stuff out there and getting stuff in return, as far
as like what you need, like the medicine and stuff.
In that documentary that we put out for the Hary
Man of Dairyland, one of our researches in there got

(18:12):
in he was doing a gifting site and he got
into a car crash and he was severely burned and
he couldn't go back to this gifting site for quite
a while. And when he did, he was gifted burdock,
which is this like healing herb for severe burns?

Speaker 5 (18:34):
Oh really?

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah, that's kind of really interesting, Like maybe maybe we're
not necessarily dealing with these bigfoot. Maybe we're still dealing
with these pygmy in certain areas.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Oh yeah, yeah. Then there's there's also when I started
researching into the the legends, the local legends of the pygmies. Yeah,
come up with the Yen Sunday, but the Creek, the
chalk Taw, the Chickasaw, everybody in this region has their
own for these things. And then I started noticing that
all tribes across the entire United States has names for

(19:06):
their own their own uh you know, little people for
their regions, and their similar stories attributed to their little
people that sound like the same kind of stories that
go with the inn with Sunday. So I think this
phenomenon is a lot more uh expansive than we really
let on that it is.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
Well, it sounds like, you know, like the puck Wedgies
out in New England. Yeah yeah, yeah. And then you
also have and and you know, who knows if this
is the same or not, but you have the whole
Kentucky goblin stories. Yeah, you know, if you you didn't
know these things were out there and stuff. These are
still diminutive creatures coming out of you know, possibly caves

(19:49):
or mines, and you have the same kind of story
of you know, the assaulting of the cabin and stuff
like that. But I mean, are these things actually alien
or goblins or could they actually be the these puck
wedges or little.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Pigmies little pigmies show maybe Yeah, Yeah, there's a I
don't know if you've ever heard of it, but there's
a Pedro. The Mountain Mummy talked about him in the
book where back in the nineteen I think it was
the nineteen twenties or the nineteen thirties, he was found
where two cave explorers in Wyoming. I can't remember the
name of the mountains, but the specific mountains up in

(20:25):
the Wyoming and the natives in that area have legends
in those mountains of their own little people. And this
little body in almost a yoga position was found mummified
on a shelf in this cave, and they took the
body and had it displayed to went out like you know,
kind of like the freak circuit back in the day

(20:47):
with it. But they had an X ray which was
what was the important part. And the X ray showed
that the sutures in the skull had fused and did
it had wisdom teeth. And they said that Pedro, if
he was standing erect and not in the uh, the
sitting position he was in, he would have only been
fifteen inches tall. Hmm.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
So wow, now you don't you don't think these things
are are, you know, like what we consider midgets today.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
I don't. I don't think they are the the based
off the personal sightings that I had talked with the people,
they all described them if you look at little people now,
you know, with with and I don't. I'm not going
to try to say the acroplegia, is that what it is?
Something like that, Yeah, that's suffering from that. It's generally

(21:38):
that they have a small body and they have normal
sized hands in a normal sized head. The people that
have seen these these at least you know, the crypto
little people that I've taken sightings of, they describe them
as being proportionally small everywhere.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
And again like that one guy brought up, he said,
like like the Hobbits in the movies. That's that's the
way he put it. Was they look just like a
normal person, just on a miniatureized scale down to three feet.
And they all and and all of the signings that
I've taken have described them as having long, dark hair.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
So kind of like a more native native looking.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
Yes, yeah, yeah, a couple of them actually described them
as being tan or bronze.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
So I know, we were talking before the show a
little bit about Linda Godfrey who wrote the books on
the Beast of Bray Road and stuff here in Wisconsin,
and in some of her books she writes about these
diminutive people, either some being like naked as you said,
or also being like dressed as Native Americans in like
deer skin out, like carrying weapons and stuff. Like the

(22:49):
one story that I remember is this guy like walking
down like the bank of a river or something, and
these two of them come around the corner, either carrying
bows or spears or something, but they just kind of
interacted like what are you doing here? What are you
doing here? You know, and then they just kind of surprised. Yeah,
but they were like dressed in the primitive Native American

(23:12):
clothing and stuff, you know.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
And yeah, yeah, one of the siddings that I took
was from a gentleman, it wasn't from local. It was
from Fontana Lake in North Carolina, which is just below
Klingman's Dome that area of the Smokies. And he was
fishing on Fontana Lake, on the western part of Fontana Lake,
and he said, there there's several islands there and he

(23:35):
was off one of those islands and he said he
noticed movement up on the shore of this island, and
he thought that it was raccoons or something. So he
took out his binoculars and he said, as you know,
he's looking through these spinoculars. He said, there are three
to four of these little people. And he's the gentleman.
I told you that said that they were wearing primitive clothing.
But he said these three or four individuals were trying

(23:56):
to he said, look like they were trying to up
a tree stump. It was on the shore. Now, what
in the world they're trying to uproot this tree stump?
For I have no idea, but he said that that
it looked like one of them was given orders and
one of them, you know, the other two were trying
to pull on this thing with with six and but
he said they were they were wearing primitive clothing.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
So that's that's fascinating. I don't know. I was talking
about again up at the Heightened Adventure the property and
up in Upper Michigan, we did a lot of bigfoot
research and stuff, and one thing we found on there
was about a two inch long shoe print and it

(24:40):
had the distinct heel mark and then the toes and
stuff like a boot. But it was very small about yeah,
maybe about two inches long, and I got I got
pictures of this and stuff, but it's it's smaller than
a child.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Yeah, I don't know why. You know.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
There was the only one we found and it was
just kind of like off the main road in this
little embankment, coming up this hill, and it was the
weirdest thing.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
But wow, that's wild with the shoe. The shoe print
would creep me out.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
It had it had the you know, like how you
have the indentation like the fancier like boots or something
where it's got the heel. Yeah, the half round kind
of half moon shape and squared off, and then the
rest of the boot looked like a boot print just
in the ground, but with the treads and everything. Yeah,
about two inches long.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
That's wild. I've seen a three and a half inch
print once, but it was in it was in our
primary research area, so I assumed, and it was just
it was an assumption, but I assumed it was a
juvenile bigfoot or a small, little, small bigfoot. But that's
the smallest print I've ever seen, was that three and
a half inch bree. But but that wasn't wearing a shoe.
That shoe would freak me out.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah, yeah, we thought, you know, like, well, sometimes he
has his granddaughter, niece or whatever out there, but this
is this is way too small for even a child.
Where it was why would this kid be you know,
like it wasn't like you can get out of your
car and walk around, but this was on like the
driveway going in, Like there's no reason for a person

(26:14):
to be out in that area, especially a child or
something walking around. Yeah, so really weird stuff. The world
is a much weirder place than.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
We get it is it is, and people just have
no idea.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
I don't think when you really get out there and
start looking at this stuff, you know, there's like you know,
I think it was it was last week we were
talking about how all this stuff, you know, like the
stories that people talk about, you know, when when you
do research in that, like the people that come out
are reluctant to tell their bigfoot stories or any of

(26:53):
this stuff, and so they go online and they research
it and they go, Okay, well bigfoot does howls. That's
what I heard. Yeah, okay, And and you know, hide
behind trees, they throw stones. Okay, this is all common stuff.
And so when they tell their story, they feel like, Okay,
I can share this, but there's so much other stuff
that you know, maybe happened to them that they're like, no,

(27:13):
that's that's just too weird to talk about.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
And you really got to pry into them to get
these other stuff like the orbs of light and you know,
the hearing things and and the just the bizarre stuff
that goes along with big footing, like the the car
door slams out in the middle of the woods. I've
heard this middle of nowhere, no cars around, but the
distinct sound of a a you know, metal car from

(27:38):
getting shut. Yeah, Like just the weird stuff like that
that you know goes along with big footing and stuff
that or maybe not just the weird stuff out in
the woods that's uh, we come across.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
But yeah, yeah, I think I think a lot of
that is mimicking them mimicking stuff. Yeah. Uh, the weirdest
if it is mimicking. The weirdest thing I've ever heard.
On our research area, we heard a jeep coming down
the trail and literally got off the trail because we're like, okay,
they're coming through. The jeep got off the trail. Nothing

(28:12):
ever came well, I could never come off the heel.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
It just did.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
The sound just dissipated, and nothing was on the trail.
Like we went down the trail looking for a jeep
and nothing, nothing was there. And I'm like, you know,
I guess if they hear jeeps going down this trailer
that they would know how to make the sounds of it.
But like you could hear the suspension on this thing.
I mean, it was. It was wild.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Have you ever heard I've had one other guests on
the show talk about this as well. But we were
up on this property and we heard what sounds like,
you know, a cell phone vibrating, but loud enough that
it was probably like a half mile away. Oh wow,

(28:58):
And it sounds like like a plane going over something.
You know, it's it's just really loud and it it's
it started off, uh let's say, be the east, and
it moved from east to west about like let's say,
like if you're looking at a clock, it'd be about
maybe a mile half mile arc And it started over

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here and you could hear it, and it went across,
and then it did it again, started at the same
part and went across, and it did that two or
three times, not right in a row, but like it
went across and that did it again, kind of like
like an ATV or something, but you know, like you

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would think, like you said, like a jeep, but it
was It sounded more like the sound of a cell
phone vibrating, not a not an engine running or nothing,
but just but loud enough that you could hear it
over the trees like a ways away because there was
a road out there. But it it wasn't a vehicle.
It was weird. Have you ever heard anything like that?

Speaker 5 (30:00):
Not like that? Now.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
I had one other guests talk about it, and he
brought it up and said that they heard this like
vibrating sound like that. I'm like, that's what we heard.
Weird stuff, huh so interesting. Yes, we are live guys.
We are in studio here today, So if you guys
have any questions or comments, we are talking going to

(30:24):
be talking more about Bigfoot down in Tennessee and the
Cumberland area. So if you have any questions for my guest,
throw them in the comments section. We have been talking
about the new book The Tennessee Pygmy Legend or Reality
by Randy here, just came out this past weekend. The
link for that is in the show notes if you

(30:45):
want to get a copy of it, as well as
his other book, The Bear Mountain Bigfoot, The Case for
Sasquatch on the Cumberland Southern Cumberland Plateau. Tell us about
this one.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Okay, sure, there was a big giant basically negative you
know spot on most Bigfoot maps I've noticed, and it's
basically the Cumberland Platt. The Southern Cumberland Plateau, like like
the BFRO doesn't have hardly anything there. Uh So I
was I That's where I've been doing most of our

(31:17):
research for the last almost thirty years. So I decided,
you know, that these people's stories needed to be heard
and needed to be told, and so I decided to
write the book. And they all take place in the
Cumberland Plateau region of Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
So these are all kind of like stories local stories
of sightings and stuff.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Yes, and my own experiences in that the same region
doing research.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Cool awesome link for that is in the show notes.
If you guys are interested in grabbing a copy of
that book as well, head on over and check that out.
So what I like to ask all my guests to
come on here is what do you think that you know?
What have you discovered or think that you've discovered to
a relative certain degree about the Bigfoot in nothing? What

(32:12):
have you seen or some commonalities or anything about your
research in the area, any kind of like food patterns.
Do they come out in a certain area to eat
a specific food, Do they move through a certain areas
at certain times of the year, Are they more active
or less active certain times of the year. What have
you found that you can kind of put a pin
in and say this is probably probably true.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Well, one of the things I bring up in the
book is is in we've got five active areas along
this edge of the Criminal Plateau, our primary research areas
where we kind of like found in twenty fifteen and
we did two years and research area one sometimes four
days a week for about you know, ten to twelve

(32:55):
hours up there. It's on the edge of a really
popular state park, and so like we would go taking
these trails to access the area, and like I said,
we sat up there forever for that first two years,
and there were some things we noticed in that area

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that we then went and looked in other areas where
we thought, you know, this looks like an area where
there should be research or there should be activity, and
that ended up finding out that there was activity in
those areas. And one of the things that tied them
all together was seep springs in this region. And seep
springs are just where water is seeping up out of

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the ground, out of a cave basically, and it's there
twenty four hours a day, you know, three hundred and
sixty five days a year, where during the summer, a
lot of places, you know, creeks and streams and stuff
will dry up, and the sep springs though, stay there
all the time, you know. So we noticed that they

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seemed to like to hang out out, especially in research
area one. They really like to hang out around this
these seep springs that we've gotten this this in our
area and I think that's because the water is there,
and that water brings in prey, uh, deer, you know,
raccoon stuff are always coming into that water. So they
don't have to go very far to uh to go hunt.

(34:20):
They get just got to hang around that seep spring,
and you know food comes to them.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
That makes a lot of sense, especially you all, like
you said, if the other areas dry up, you know,
everything water. But that's that's a really good place to
start with.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Interesting, So are these are these big like rivers or
when you tell you like a spring, how big are
you talking?

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Some of them are are maybe ten feet by ten
feet wide, uh, when you find it when you when
you track, like in our area, we've got four seep
springs all in the same region, like the same probably
four acres right there and in this one bottom and
one of them looks like it's maybe as bad as

(35:02):
big around as as your thigh, uh, And it looks
looks like water just bubbling up out of out of leaves.
But it's the beginning of a of a major stream
that goes into a bigger creek. And you know it's
it's those little feeders, those little seep springs that feed.
All these big rivers around this region coming out of
the mountain, come out of the ground, I should say.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
So they're they're not necessarily a big creek. They're just
a small little area of water.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
Yes, yeah, yeah, some of them. Some of them are tiny.
Some of them, like I said, are about ten foot
about ten foot. It looks like a creek suddenly just
coming out of the out of the ground, and you'll
be walking and everything. I'll be of just the woods
and then suddenly there's this just little beautiful, clear, little crystals,
you know, creek coming out of nothing. And if you

(35:52):
put your hand actually down in the water there, you'll
actually feel the pressure of the water coming up out
of the ground.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
So we've got a lot of that around the area
because of all the Karston Cave topography.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Interesting, do you have a lot of sighting reports or
what are your thoughts of them living in caves?

Speaker 5 (36:13):
I think they use caves.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
I do.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
One of our like I tell you about, we have
five active areas. One of our active areas is an
old abandoned quarry and there are caves. This quarry is
about two miles off the beaten path, off the road.
There's there's a couple of trails that lead to it
if you know how to get to it. But aside
from that trail, nobody goes up there. And they're caves
that are that are built into the side of the
mountain there, and we've actually found tracks back up in

(36:38):
those caves where we we suspect they're using them as shelters,
you know, during certain times of the year.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Hmm. Interesting, So anything else in them other than the footprints,
like animal bones or like are they eating in there
or anything?

Speaker 5 (36:54):
We found pine trees. We found won a pine tree
that had been pulled back into a corner and we
thought that didn't have any evidence of this, like hair
or anything, but we we had the the suspicion that
it was pulled back there to lay on like a
bed basically because it was all flattened out and stuff.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Was like, have you found any of like nesting sites.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
I have found nesting stots up on Cagele Mountain, which
is up on the Cumeland Plateau. Back in two thousand
and one, I got called out to a a couple's house,
an elderly couple's house, and when I got there, they
were they just got home from church and the gentleman
was like, let me show you what I found you
this morning, and so he talked. He walks me back
to the edge of his his property where there's a

(37:40):
big fence row and there's weeds that have grown all
through this fence row. So it's the weeds are probably
like four and a half five foot tall and looks
completely like you're just just weeds. And then he steps
across like there's a there's a low part of the fence.
He steps across, has me step across, and there's this
huge ten foot by ten foot wide nest that looks

(38:03):
like a gorilla nest that is woven in this all
these weeds and and and grass on the other side
of this fence. You could literally sit down in this
thing look up at their house and you could not
see into this thing from the house at all.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
You could sit there and just at your leisure, just
sit in this thing and watch the house and they
would never know you were there. It was wild. There
was this big, wild, you know, blind nest just sitting
there within eye's reach of of the of the house.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Hmm. Interesting, So what what was it made of? Just
the woven grass in that area? Or was there pine
brought in or no, it was.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
It was just the woven grass of the area, all
the all the weeds and stuff and uh, and that
were interesting enough. Interestingly enough, there was a a poke
I don't know if you guys had poke up in Wisconsin,
I don't know, but there's uh. We have these big
purple plants called polk plants and these big black berries
and they're poisonous for humans to eat, but but like

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deer and stuff will eat them. There was a big
polk plant that was next to this nest and half
of it had been bent over into this nest and
on this one strand all of the berries were missing,
as if it had just sit here and like casually
poked or picked these poke berries off this plant and
they ate them. And I spoke with a game warden

(39:27):
a couple of months after this, and I'm like, you know,
what would you make of that? And he's like, mostly
the animals that eat those poke plant poke berries are
nocturnal animals. And he said, I've always been told it's
because and I don't remember off the top of my
head what he said was in the berries, but he
said it aids with nocturnal vision and that was the
reason that the deer and stuff like to eat it.

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And so uh, I just you know, found that interesting.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Hmm oh, that's really interesting. And you don't think, not
like Joe Bear down in the area, do you think
like this could have on a barn.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
But this was definitely this looked literally like I've looked
at gorillass on online. This looked just like one of
those where it was woven, where something had laid in
there and wove had woven these these weeds together. It
was it was weird. It wasn't just like laid down
and flatt and stuff.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
So something had to have hands to manipulate it, to
to build it.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
I think.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
So yeah, interesting. Do you get a lot of you know,
we talk a lot about the stick structures and stuff
that are associated with these these creatures. In that, do
you get a lot of stone piles? Because up here
in Wisconsin you don't find a lot of stones in
the woods, not that much at least where we've gone
in that. But when we were down in Kentucky and Tennessee,

(40:43):
one of the things that we were told in that
is that there's a lot of uh stone like stone
stackings and stuff down there, and we were showed a
few do you have a lot of that by you?

Speaker 5 (40:52):
I have not had any stone stacking that I've been
involved with myself, but I have had people that have
activity on their properties say that they've had stone stacking
on their property.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
So what do you what do you think of the
whole uh sasquatch and autism kind of thing, you know,
like the like the stone stacking or the sorting of items.
You know, like people will say like they'll put out
gifting things and only like the blue stuff will disappear,
or like if they put out a bunch of different
colored things, they'll be sorted into different groups and stuff.

(41:26):
What are your what are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 5 (41:28):
I'm not really sure. I think that if you had
a you know, you have a species living out there
like this in the wild, the traits like that probably
would become dominant pretty fast. Uh So it wouldn't surprise
me if they if they did have, you know, traits
like some something like autism that that they can't let
them hone in on things like that, and it's you

(41:51):
know specialize. We've we've mostly gifted fruit at our sits.
We give a lot of fruit, especially peaches. They love
the ones in our group in our area love peaches. Uh.
We've actually sat peaches down in our in our gifting area.
Went down to about it's about a quarter mile to
a half mile farther down the trail where there's where

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we knock and we get a lot of knocking responses.
And so we've left the fruit, went down there and knocked,
come back and the fruit be gone like it already.
They they like they don't wait on that stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
And then one time we we uh, we had someone
come to us with a big giant box of mangoes
and they're like, we know you guys like to take
your friend's fruit, take them out these mangoes. So we
took these mangoes out there. And what was weird was
about two weeks ago by and we're we're this is
when we're up there like four days a week. Well,
you know, we brought oranges, we brought apples, we brought peaches.

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We go up there one day, go to the same
trees were where we leave all the gifting stuff and
there's one single mango left on the tree where we
leave the leave the fruit. And we took that as
please give us more mangoes. And but it was two
weeks later, and this was in the summer, so I
was perplexed as the how in the world that mango

(43:09):
survived for two weeks in a Tennessee summer. And my
wife suggested, She's like, honey, they have to have a
cave nearby that they're storing that stuff in or else,
you know, how else would they have would it have
lasted as long as it did.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
So that's an interesting point.

Speaker 5 (43:27):
Yeah, and I know, I know that that that park
up there that are are our most active areas next
to is actually the second most cave ridden park in
the eastern United States. So wouldn't be surprised surprising if
they've got a cave back there that they're using.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Yes, you have a friend here, Roger says, Randy, this
is Roger Williams. Have you had any success with oranges?
Everything gets taken here except oranges.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
We have had the exact same thing happen. They will
not take citrus fruit. I don't know why we've left lemons,
we've left oranges, we've left grapefruit. They will not touch
citrus fruit for whatever reason. But black Roger's talking about
everything else they've taken too readily. I have heard a.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
Theory that if you leave food out that they won't
take it unless it's something they already know. So like
if there's apple trees in the area, they'll take apples
because they know what it is. So if you guys
don't have citrus fruits or mango trees, or you know,
whatever it is that you're gifting out there, they might
not know what this is or be a little more

(44:38):
cautionary yeah to taking it, you know what I mean,
They don't you know, if you don't, like you said,
the berries are poisonous to humans, So if they don't know,
like if they don't see other animals eating it or
something and know what it is, they might not have
that association that's edible.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Say, one thing we always did when
we go up there to gift fruit, we always bring
enough fruit that we can eat some ourselves. Now we
always eat it there next to where we're putting it
as a sign of like, look, this is good, it's
not gonna hurt you. But they still won't take oranges
or citrus fruit for whatever reason.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
That's interesting.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
Yeah, hmm.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
If anybody in the comments section has done some gifting.
Throw some comments in there. If you guys have had
any experience with gifting any kind of citrus, have they
taken it by you? I wonder if this is regional
or just kind of in general.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
I'm not sure. I've never really looked into it, to
be honest.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Yeah, I've heard, like we hear a lot of like
peanut butter apples, stuff like that. But yeah, oh yeah, exactly.
Roger says, we need to ask some of the skunkate
people that same question. You know down in Florida they
have those things just growing and stuff.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
Yeah, have you got it?

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Even in California? Mike Pine pr pran Uh says, rumor
is they don't like orange. Yeah, hmm interesting.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
If you got any any other comments on citrus fruit,
strow them in the comments section. We'd be interested to
hear that Octopus with No Friends says mangoes are the
greatest Uh? Is that your opinion? Or have you had
experience gifting them to uh, sasquatch or the creatures of
the woods. That's interesting. The other thing that you mentioned

(46:36):
there is, you know, the mango had stayed there right
now one but he.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Got placed there and he got place there. It hadn't
stayed there for two weeks. I got confused, or might
have been confusing, and the way I said it, Uh,
we went there to to gift more fruit, and there
was a single solitary mango. Suddenly, you know, on the
tree where we where we leave fruit had been brought back.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
And okay, that's that's kind of what I was taking
it originally. But okay, yeah, we're on the same page.
But my point was is you have this this mango
left there, and nothing else ate it. Not squirrels, raccoons, possums,
whatever you got down there, no natural other creatures. And

(47:22):
this is very interesting because on places where we had
gifting for Bigfoot and stuff, we'd live apples and those
apples would stay there for a week, they wouldn't rot,
you know, nothing, and then all of a sudden they'd
all be gone.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
You know, you could watch them on trail camera. They'd
sit there, sit there, sit there, sit there, sit there,
and then all of a sudden they just disappear, smacking
things around. Uh, here we go, Roger says, Mark Green
had a watermelon brought back the same way and it
wasn't rotten.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Yeah, so they're storing these things, man, they have to
be hmmm.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Sting. Watermelons are not a citrus fruit, So just you know, wondering. Well,
that's that's that's that's a very interesting question. I'm gonna
have to to bring that up with some other guests.
I'll have to see if I can find some uh
uh uh skuncape people and see if we can definitely, yeah,

(48:20):
get that on here. What they say guncape talk amongst yourselves.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
I've never tried any of the really really weird exotic fruits,
you know, like the those weird star shaped you know
talking about like the spikey star shaped stuff. I've never
tried any of those. I'm not sure if they you know,
if they take those or not.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Interesting.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
I might have to do that. The camp out, we didn't.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
We never did oranges.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
We did apples.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
I think we left bananas.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
I don't know we left.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
We left quite a bit of stuff out there in
different occasions and stuff, but I don't think we ever
did oranges, not that I remember. Octopus with no Friends
would like to know do we think that a bigfoot
are just extinct extra extent Gigantopithecus.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
I don't know. I don't think they are with the
the reactions that we've had and the interactions we've had,
I think personally and the juvenile that I saw. I
had a an encounter where I saw a juvenile hiding
under a root ball of a tree back in twenty seventeen.

(49:50):
And when I first saw it, it looked like a hole,
and I thought that I was walking up on a
freaking coyote dan because cowdies loved to get up under
root ball like that. And as I was staring at
this hole, the hole shifted. And when it shifted, you
could tell, I mean like it it put its head

(50:11):
down on its like, its chin down to its chest,
and pushed back in this root ball like it was
trying to hide. And it was it was a child, juvenile.
And when I say child, it didn't look like a monkey.
It didn't look like a juvenile gorilla. It looked like

(50:32):
a freaking black skinned, black haired kid. And that really
messed with me. It still messes with me to this day.
I broke down when I got home that day, uh,
because it was just like, you know, I wasn't expecting
to see a kid out there, But I think there,

(50:53):
I think like the Native Americans. I think there's some
sort of human. I think there's some sort of of
a you know, maybe maybe a human cousin where where
humans are like you know, Homo sapien and Homo Neanderthalis
and Homo dennis ovan and all of these homos you
know that are all combined. I think maybe they're the

(51:14):
same way, just maybe with a different recipe, you know
what I mean, Like like they've got different proportions than
we do. Maybe I'm not sure, but like I think
there's some kind of human or some kind of people.
I don't think they're Jaannipithecus at all.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
So interesting comment here, Octopus says, oh, my burnaby, more
evidence for dark hair light absorbing hair. You said it
looked like a hole.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
It did. It was so dark that my initially I
was like, that's a whole, like a not a question
in my mind, that's a whole. And as I was like,
I was holding Mount Laurel with one hand and I'm
staring at this root ball, and as I'm staring at
it and it moved like that's when I could make

(51:59):
definition of I don't to this day, I don't know
why I couldn't make definition of it other than like
maybe what he's talking about that the hair absorbs light
in some fashion, I don't know, but it was. It
was the darkest natural thing I have ever seen.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Interesting, and that leads more into you know, you hear
the stories of people saying that these these shadow entities
or something are darker than dark when they move through
the woods, you know, so that maybe these things aren't
shadow beings. Maybe they're just these these creatures moving there.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
Yes, maybe yeah, interesting, darker.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Than black, Yeah, shifting gears a little bit, you know,
when you're you're talking about being more in the Southern States,
and well not so much southern, but the southern part
of the United States and stuff. A lot of the
stories that we get out of this area claim that
these things are more aggressive. Have you had more aggressive

(52:56):
stories or more aggressive behavior down in the area.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
I've been screamed at several times. I've had rockstone at me.
I don't even know how many times in this one area.
But I in my book I actually bring up in
the nineteen sixties, we got a story from a play
an area called Hills Creek, and Hills Creek is basically
a giant spring that pumps out I think it's twenty

(53:22):
two thousand gallons an hour. It pumps it out huge.
But there was some people family was riding horses up
above this spring back in I think it's nineteen sixty nine,
and it was a sister, her brother, and the brother's
girlfriend at the time, which ended up becoming his wife
later on. But they were riding horses up up a

(53:44):
hill and the the whole family says that out of nowhere,
this hairy monkey like thing comes crashing out of the
tree above the sister on her and the horse with
such force that the horse fell to the ground and

(54:05):
starts pummeling her with fit like closed fists. And by
the time he's the guy says, by the time he
got his horse turned around and him and his girlfriend,
this thing had jumped off of her and runs into
the woods. But uh, but we that's that's one of
the most aggressive ones in this area I've taken.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Sheeus.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
Yeah, I mean just just the fact to take down
a horse, I mean you.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
The weight you would have to be to take down
a horse like that is crazy.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
You're talking about a full grown horse that she's riding
through the woods there.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
Yeah, yes, Wow, it messed her up. So badly that
her nephew told us that to this day, and she's
in her sixties now, to this day, she will not
go out on those trails. She will not horse back
out on those trails anymore. And that was like one
of her big things, you know that they said, back
when she was younger, was always horse ride back up

(55:00):
in there in that region, and she won't she won't
do any of it now.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
I can't imagine why. Yeah, that's another thing, you know,
think about the other side of this. Something that big
to take down a horse was up in a tree.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
Yeah. I think these things go up in trees a lot,
I really do.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Yeah, well, there's there's a lot of a lot of
people believe, you know, the juveniles and stuff go up
in trees. But here you got obviously a full grown,
large one to take down a horse, and the lady
up in a tree. Yeah, I mean you're you're not
talking about like a ridge line or something like. This
thing came out of a tree, right, not not off

(55:38):
like a cliff or anything.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
It came out of the tree.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
They said, Yeah, that's that's a that's impressive because you know,
to try and think about, you know, the size of
these things and the amount of weight that they got
to be to be up in these trees.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
And well, I spoke to one gentleman who said that, uh,
they had, say, had a sighting at about about twenty
yards and it was it was going behind a tree
when they saw it, like it was very quick. But
he said him and his girlfriend both said that that
when they got up to that tree, they looked up
and he swears that about you know, thirty yards up,

(56:15):
which would be about ninety feet, you could see this thing.
And even though it was dark, you could see this
thing up there with its arms around this tree where
it had climb this tree and was was holding on.
So I think I think that I think Gromans go
up in trees a lot more than people think they do,
and that maybe how they disappear, you know where they

(56:36):
talk about they just one minute it's there, one minute's not. Well,
if it goes behind a tree and disappears, I suspect
it probably went up that tree and you just don't
realize it.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Well, you would you would think that if it went
up the tree, you would see the tree shaking, you know,
like you'd notice that all the trees are still in
that area. But this other one's just kind of like
going like this as something's climbing up it, you know.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
And you think you hear at least a bark ripping
and stuff with something of that weight. Yeah, yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
I think a lot of you know, the roadside crossings
and stuff that people say they are driving along and
this thing just disappeared right into the woods. I think
a lot of that is it drops down to their bellies.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
Yep, yep, yep. I think they do that a lot
more than people think they do too. My one of
my really close researcher buddies that does our research area
with us. It was in August twelfth, twenty seventeen. It
was about eleven o'clock at night. We were actually out
and we got eye shine and we tracked it with

(57:36):
these We had three thousand loom lamps on us. I mean,
we just flooded the woods, turned it into daylight, and
you could see between these two trees this thing coming
up and peeking at us. And my buddy was like,
let me go, let me, let me see how close
I can get. And so we let him go, and
he says that when he got back there in the woods.

(57:56):
We couldn't see him when he got back there, and
we yell at him or like, you know, can you
see it? And he said, oh, yeah, I see her
and he said her specifically, he said, I see her.
I'm right up on her. And he said that she
was on her hands and feet and with spider crawling
backwards from him as he got close to her and

(58:18):
said that, he said that he had locked eyes with him,
and he said it locked eyes to the degree that
it never took its eyes off of him, and it
still managed to crawl backwards under a log before standing up,
like without ever taking its eyes off, which that level
of like knowing your surroundings is insane to be able

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to to not even not only does the crawl backwards,
but to spider crawl backwards on your hands and feet.
It's just, you know, crazy.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
That kind of goes with this comment here, Octopus with
no friends says the one that roared at him. They
lit up with flashlights and still could only see the
eye shine from about twenty five feet away. Oh wow,
we had one. We had one on thermal. I was
telling you about the Burlington woods and stuff before we
went on air here and the one that we got
on thermal. There you can see a tree and then

(59:16):
half you can see the whole head, the shoulder, arm,
and then a leg, like half the whole body sticking
out from the tree. And we've gone back and tried
to figure out where this was. It was about ten
feet away from us, and with all the foliage and stuff,
we couldn't see it at all. Like we were shining
flashlights on this thing. You couldn't see it at all,

(59:36):
but you could pick it up on the thermal and
see it going like like coming in and out from
behind the tree looking at us. That's why, like you'd
see it on thermal. And this was before I had
video thermal, so I just have the.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Picture of it.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Again. Couldn't see it, couldn't see it at all with
your eyes, but you could see it moving on the thermal,
and it's just yeah, I don't know, and.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
You were within ten feet of it.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Yeah, the tree. We went back and looked at this
tree and figured out exactly where it was based on
because we record everything goldpros and night vision and stuff,
so we knew exactly where this tree was. And we
went in and looked in the daylight because This was
at night and we went in looked during the daylight
and this tree was like ten feet away from us
where this creature had been standing. Yeah, but again I

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couldn't see it, couldn't see it with your eyes. But
Thermal picked it up.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
So that's wild.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
I don't know. I like this comment there. They're enormous
hairy ninjas.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
My buddy, my buddy who saw it. Spider walk that's
what he calls them all the time. He calls them wooddinges.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Yeah, you know, we you know, there's there's some comments
and stuff about like the wu and the paranormal and
stuff like that too. But I don't know if you're
familiar with Matt Pruitt.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
I've heard the name.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Okay, he's got a book, and the name of the
book I'm trying to think of it escapes to me.
But he's been on the show here before. He has
a phenomenal book about Sasquatch and the origins and the
way we think about him and stuff like that, and
he talks about these things as ambush predators and the
fact that these things are so stealthy because they are

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a predator. So when we say that they disappear into nothing.
They don't, you know, like they walk off the road,
they drop down to their bellies and crawl away, so
you're looking like this for them and they're right underneath you,
or they'll just sit there, you know, Like there was
stories of these things. You know, you see it off
in the woods and that it disappeared, and you research

(01:01:40):
the area and come back and look, and it must
have like walked off like fifty feet and then just
sat yea, and the whole time that you were there,
and you thought that this thing took off into the woods.
But if it takes off, you're gonna hear it. Why
never heard it? I never heard it leave. That's because
it didn't. It's literally just walked off fifty feet where

(01:02:00):
you didn't know where it was, and then hunkered down,
you know. And like you said, they know their area
is so much better than we do. Yes, they know
every little hole and holler and stuff back there that
they can hide in that you don't know is there,
and they can watch you the whole time.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
YEP. I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
I one hundred percent believe there's things out there that
are weird and bizarre, and you know the paranormal and
the wu but not necessarily always has to be tied
to bigfoot. It could be big and there's a lot
of weird things that I've experienced with bigfooting, but I
don't know. It's definitely interesting. We are almost here at
the end of the show here coming up on it.

(01:02:41):
So if you guys have any questions or comments for Randy,
throw them in the comments section and we will get
to them before we wrap this up. Okay, So yeah,
if you have any questions, throw them in the comment section.
We will get to them. But Randy, you got two
books here. Your first one Bear Mountain Bigfoot, The Case

(01:03:02):
for Sasquatch on the Cumberland Plateau is available on Amazon
dot com links in the show notes and as well
as your brand new book, Tennessee Pigmy Legend or Reality Again,
is out now since last Thursday when we last spoke
on the.

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
Yeah, it came out the day after. I wasn't sure
it was gonna be when it was gonna come out,
so I didn't say bring it up last time.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
But no, absolutely. But both these books are in the
show notes. And if you're interested in more of the
WU and the paranormal. Uh and you missed it, Randy
was on my show last Thursday, The Paranormal Spectrum, where
we discuss all of that as well, so awesome stuff there. Yeah,

(01:03:44):
they're so smooth. They're so smooth an adept at hiding.
It's their biggest survival attribute. We're no match for their
hide and seek.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
Yep. That's what I feel like a lot of people,
and I may be wrong on this, but I feel
like a lot of researchers, Uh, this is gonna put
a big target on my back. Where they get into
the they start, they go into this, you know, with
it being a flesh and blood animal that they're trying
to find, and then they turn into you know what's

(01:04:14):
obviously quantum physics and their interdimensional I think a lot
of that is just because people get so distraught and
and and kind of down because like, you don't get
answers to this after after years and years and years
of of looking into this, and they're so like like
Octopus with no Friends is talking about these things are

(01:04:34):
so hard to find unless unless you know they want
you to know you're that they're there, You're not going
to know it most of the time at least. And
I think that just that that really wears on people
over over, over time, and because they want to have
answers to things, Well it's obviously quantum physics and interdimensional

(01:04:57):
and when in reality we we're not suited to track
these things, like biologically, we're not made to keep up
with these things in the woods.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
Absolutely absolutely, I think I think a lot of that
too is And the other side of that is when
you you do get into this woo and stuff, you know,
you think about you know, like all the stuff that
supposedly humans can do, the telepathy, telekinesis, mediums, psychics. You know,

(01:05:29):
you talk about the monks and the yet, the Yettes,
the Himalayan monks and all that stuff. You know, where
you get into this metaphysical and all that stuff, Well,
if people could do it, and there's research that says
that we can do it, and we're so hyped up
on fluoride in the water and you know, plastics and

(01:05:54):
all the processed foods and stuff like that, Well, these
things are natural, right, it's out in the woods four
seven communing with nature. You gotta think that they're just
natural abilities, their mental their metaphysical beings, their chakras gotta
be a lot better aligned, a lot more in tune

(01:06:16):
than we are. Who's to say, you know this mind
speaking stuff, Who's to say that they can't do that?
We know people that have that ability, you know, Like
just think about like if you're you're sitting at home
and all of a sudden you're like, oh, man, I'm
thinking about Randy. He should uh, he should give me
a call, and then all of a sudden the phone
rings and it's it's you, right, Like, we have that ability,
these connections sometimes with close friends that we're with. And

(01:06:39):
if we can have these abilities at whatever the heck's
going on with our bodies and the food that we
eat and put in it and all that stuff and
getting into the paranormal spectrum side of this show. But
if we can do all that, why can't the other side,
these you know, creatures of the woods have these same abilities?

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
Yes, yes, I agree completely. I mean we we as
a society, we stunt that from us. You know, it's
starting as children. We tell them that's not real, that's
not that, that's not true. So if you've got kids
that are are gifted with things like that, they're being
told it's not even nothing to even worry about. So yeah,
I really do I agree with you completely. I think
that these things probably have. I'm, like I've told some people,

(01:07:20):
I'm a flesh and blooder who believes that these things
have superpowers. I don't mean let that and you know,
like the the The Avengers style superpowers. But like when
it comes to like telepat telepathy and and telecan well,
I don't know about teleconnesis that'd be wild. That's how
they're throwing their boulders orange.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
No, absolutely, I think so, I think. And then you know,
like like I said, the whole the whole government, you
can go and look up, you know, the disclosion and
stuff of all this stuff, all the stuff that they've done,
you know, the men who stare at goats and all
these things that they've proved are real. And the reason
you don't hear about it is because they can't use
it in the military terms. You know, the whole remote viewing, telepathy,

(01:08:05):
all that stuff. They say, Oh, it's just not reliable
enough for actionable outcomes. Means we mark in an out
place and bombit based on this information, So it's not
good enough for us.

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
They don't dispute that it's not real. They just dispute
it the way they want to use it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Yep, yep. I have somewhere in the pile of stuff here,
I have the whole disclosure on that stuff of remote
viewing and all that that says, yeah, this is all real,
but we can't do it so or we can't use it,
so it's it's no use to us. And you know,
people just don't realize that this stuff is out there,
that science is a lot weirder than people think. And

(01:08:41):
now the whole multi dimensions and all that stuff, and
and the fact that this other dimension is watching us
that they've found out. Have you have you read that
recently something out of that they found that there's another

(01:09:02):
dimension and the dimension is aware that we're observing it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
Yeah, fantastical stories and stuff that are out there that
you know people think it's just you know, sci fi television,
TV show stuff. Take a little deeper into some of
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Oh yeah, Absolutely, the world is a lot weirder than
we think it is. Awesome, man, Well, it's been a pleasure,
absolute pleasure having you on for Thursday talking all the
weird stuff. And we've kind of got a little weird
here at the end here too. But talking the pygmies
and Bigfoot. Absolutely wonderful having you on here. Octopus said

(01:09:48):
that I have the best guests. I don't know where
they're there as the best guests. There you go, so
you awesome? But yeah, absolutely. Is there any final thought
that you want to lift people on about the Pygmies,
the world in general, Bigfoot? What what do you got
to to leave everybody final thoughts here?

Speaker 5 (01:10:10):
Oh? Man, I'm horrible with final thoughts. Oh no, I don't.
I don't got nothing, man.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Perfect, perfect, awesome. Well, I'm sorry if I kind of
missed any questions here. It looked like he was just
commenting on uh stuff that we were saying. So I
think we're we're all caught up on that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
But oh I did find out, uh, last last time
we talked, we talked about thunderbirds, and I found out
the name of those two thunderbirds. Oh yeah, in that
region they were Utana and Who's Who's d. And basically
utana means big and whose d means little, So it
was it was big and little thunderbirds, I should say,

(01:10:51):
is what the cherokey word is it for?

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
And you couldn't remember those names like they weren't on
the tip of your tongue. Jeez, I'm just appointed you could. Awesome, Well,
thank you for remembering that. Yeah, man, So definitely, if
you guys, like I said, if you guys did not
check out Thursday's episode of The Paranormal Spectrum with Randy,
go check that out as well. It's a really good
episode there, so check that out. Let's see, we live

(01:11:18):
in the we live in the boring part of a sci.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Fi novel, so we go to look for this stuff
so it's not boring.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
Absolutely all right. Well again, Randy's got two books out
Bear Mountain, big Foot and also the brand new book
Tennessee Pigmy, So if you are looking for these, the
links are in the show notes as well as your
Tennessee Facebook page for all of the weird and creepy

(01:11:49):
sun fun stuff over there, you guys can go check
that out. It's in the show notes and your YouTube
channel forty in Tennessee. There we go forty in Tennessee
on faceboo, book and YouTube. The links are in the
show notes as well as the link to the Tennessee
Cryptid camp out. Do you want to leave us on that?
What do you got going on with that? Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Yeah, sure, we sold out on that, but we're we're
talking about how already having one for the next year,
so if people were still interested. But it's a we've
we've created a dream team of of researchers Ronnie LeBlanc,
hell Bit Holler, Jesse and Joe Doule, Chester Moore from
Dark Outdoors, but we're having a We're dropping forty people

(01:12:28):
into our active research area with these researchers and all
the you know, all the the the awesome tech and
stuff and spending four days and four nights basically looking
for bigfoot in our most active research area.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
That soiunds awesome. Should be fun and you gotta you
do a convention as well down there.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
Yes, Yes, the Tennessee Wildman and Cryptid con Tennessee Wildman
Convention that's in August. The next one will be August
fifteenth of twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Very cool and where can people get more information on that?

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
Facebook would be these this place. Just just look up
Tennessee wild Man in crypticon on Facebook.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
Cool all right, man, keep that in mind coming up
in August here, so we can start planning ahead and
everyone can get tickets to that and go check that out.
If you're anywhere in Kentucky, Tennessee. Uh what else, Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama,
people come down from California, Wisconsin, all the all the

(01:13:29):
surrounding states in the United States.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
There there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
Awesome man. Well you you're a wonderful guest. Thank you
so much for coming on.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Next time.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Absolutely, next time we got another book or anything else
comes out, feel free to reach out and love to
have you back and chat again.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
We'll do, man, we'll do. Thanks for having me, man,
I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Awesome man. You take care, go round you by nice
warm weather that you're having done right, thanks a lot, yep,
take care man. All right, guys, that is our show
for this week. It is about thirty some degrees here
in Wisconsin, so I had to throw that in at
the end. But that is all for our show this week.

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(01:14:54):
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(01:15:14):
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I'll see at the Edge

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Bare