Monsters on the Edge #135 Modern Pterosaur Phenomenon with guest Jacob S. Guerra

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you enjoy it and have plenty of questions here. So well,

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let's get to it. My guest today, mister Gurra, is
the founder of the Ropen Network and a lead journalist

(06:52):
contributor with CC Media, where he conducts ongoing field investigations
into crypto's wological and paranormal phenomenon, with a special focus
on the modern pterosaur phenomenon, including eyewitness reports of ropins
across the globe. With over twenty six years of experience
in both cryptozoology and parapsychology, Jake has carried out extensive

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research and field interviews throughout the Americas, exploring encounters with
mysterious creatures and unexplained events beyond the field. He brings
a diverse professional background as a laboratory technician, legislative aid
of eleven years, legal translator, and field interviewer, all of
which strengthened his methodical and multidisciplinary approach to investigations. His

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work seeks to bridge the gap between eyewitness testimony, scientific analysis,
cultural understanding in the study of the unknown. Ladies and gentlemen,
Please welcome Jacob Gurra to the show. Hey man, welcome
the show.

Speaker 8 (07:58):
Thank you so much for having Barnaby. It's a pleasure
to be on your network, to be able to share
with the audience about my endeavors, my research and help
strengthen the cause and awareness for terosaur research.

Speaker 9 (08:09):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
Oh, it is my pleasure and it seems like the
pleasure of my audience here as well. So we're gonna
hope Octopus has some good questions for you today. Awesome,
please bring them. Yeah, so this is a unique show.
We were kind of talking before the show. There's not,
to my knowledge, a lot of people who specialize in
terosaurs and the rope in and these creatures. So what

(08:35):
got you interested in them?

Speaker 8 (08:37):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, to be honest, there is a
handful of us and our pre talk. I can actually
name my fellow comrade. It's Garth guestman, Dave Watsoll, Ken Gearhart,
Bill Gibbons, Lon Strickland, Jonathan Whitcom, potentially even Rex Yappi
and p ANDNG and Doc Carl BoA's office from the

(09:02):
Creation Events Museum of Texas.

Speaker 9 (09:03):
He has seen them.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
Up close and even had a chance to bring an
incubator with him to PNG it hopes to catch one,
and they said that would be fine. The governments of
this would be fine because it's not on the endangered
species list. So therefore, if he got an egg, he
could break it back, which I think is amazing. But yeah,
my fascination with this field began in nineteen eighty five

(09:28):
and from there it just just kept growing and growing.
But over the years, though, I you know, I pushed
back a little bit because other things came up. I
got involved in politics, I started my own business, became
a field and interviewer investigator, got involved in parapsychology for
just a short amount of time. I had an experience

(09:50):
there that just riled me. And it's a very dangerous
field to be a part of. You don't want spirits
following you back to very very careful and grounded in
what you believe, scriptural wise in order to combat such
an enemy. But yet it began in eighty five and
in the two thousand and two thousand and one legislative

(10:12):
session of all places, a friend of mine introduced me
to a family in Washington State, where I finally had
my first encounter and just blew my mind about what
potentially could be out there. So yeah, that's where it
all began. And usually for a lot of people, Barnaby,
it begins somewhere, doesn't it. The fascination of the unknown,

(10:34):
and in many ways I feel that God has led
me to this path to help provide an outlet for
those who have nowhere to go. You could go to
a park ranger, you could go to a city official.
It's not going to help your cause, it's going to
get swept under the rug. Especially with what I've learned
involving these amazing archosaurs. There's just no one out there

(10:58):
to listen. Just another outlet to provide for those we
nowhere to go.

Speaker 6 (11:04):
Absolutely that is well put. You know, you're you're absolutely right.
We talked about this in the whole big Foot field
and stuff. You know, when you you have an encounter
with something and you, first of all, anybody that you
tell is going to think that you're crazy, you know,
so you don't want to share this story. And you've
already had this encounter that is, you know, making you
feel like did I really see this?

Speaker 7 (11:26):
Is this real?

Speaker 6 (11:27):
You know, and you're you're questioning everything right there. And
then when you try and tell someone, hey, I've had
this encounter, I've had this experience, and they don't.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
Believe you, you know, and.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
And you know it's it's not like a bigfoot, you know,
you see these things flying in the sky, and this
is something that isn't you know, as common even as
bigfoot sighting or how many witnesses have you come across?

Speaker 7 (11:53):
How many states?

Speaker 8 (11:54):
And sure, yeah, thank you for asking that question. I
got feel you're gon ask a lot of good ones.
My record is up to about two hundred and twenty
one right now. Now that may not seem like a lot,
but if you put the rest of my fellow comrades
encounters in there, group them together, create a digital map

(12:14):
of all the locations, you're probably going to come away
with over one thousand eyewitness testimonies at least. So I've
interviewed lots of people on my network. The only problem
is what you see as a broadcast on YouTube or
Rumble or CC media is just a tip of the iceberg,
the anatomy of such a thing.

Speaker 9 (12:37):
A lot of people don't.

Speaker 8 (12:38):
Want to be seen, and some people don't want to
be heard, but they will talk to you through a
phone conversation. And that's mostly what I specialize in, because
the first thing I do is I start with the
disclaimer and they say, no, don't want to be seen
on the network, and I don't want this recorded, but
I will talk to you, right now the other half
is saying, yes, record the show, but I don't want

(13:00):
to be seen. And finally, the last amount is what
you see that appears on the Rope Network from time
to time. The brave ones really do venture forward. But
I totally understand this is difficult for people to come
forward and share because they don't want to lose respect
in the eyes of their peers. They could be running
for office, they could be a doctor, a lawyer.

Speaker 9 (13:23):
And by the way, I have gotten calls from these people.
And that's the nice thing because I do.

Speaker 8 (13:28):
I've worked in the medical field, I've worked in the
political arena, and there are people in these arenas that
have seen these things.

Speaker 9 (13:36):
That's pretty amazing.

Speaker 8 (13:38):
So it's diverse, like the creature I study, and yes,
over two hundred and twenty one eyewitness testimony so far.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
For the sake of anybody, like I said, it's not
the prevalent thing that people are citing. I think everybody
kind of knows what a bigfoot is nowadays, and like
I said, the dog man stuff is starting to pick up.
For anybody that's not familiar with what a rope in
or tears in general are.

Speaker 7 (14:01):
What are we talking about here?

Speaker 8 (14:04):
Yeah, this is the word terosaur is not well known
amongst community, amongst civilization. As a matter of fact, the
word terodactyl is more universal, and terodactyl was discovered in
seventeen eighty four by Kalini in Bavaria, and that was

(14:25):
a pterodactyl intiques. Okay, so we have different placement of finger,
different wing style. Usually the ones with the tails are
related to pterodactyloids. But the universal word is pterodactyl, but
the more scientific word is terosaur tero meaning airborne flyer,

(14:47):
dactyl meaning placement of fingers. So when you have a
creature that has three fingers above the humorous and menitarsal regions,
you usually have three fingers.

Speaker 9 (14:59):
And you also so I know my camera's gonna move here.

Speaker 8 (15:02):
Let me try this out e three fingers, split finger, okay,
so the split finger meaning referrinoids. Those type of genus
and specimens so very diverse. Over one hundred and fifty
species found intact that can range from one to eighty six.

(15:26):
Like I said, very diverse and a lot and their
bones are fragile, so we do not know everything we
want to.

Speaker 9 (15:32):
Know about these amazing archosaurs. But yeah, I hope that
answers your question.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely so.

Speaker 6 (15:41):
One of the things that I think is a problem
with this is the more that we learn about dinosaurs,
the history and these creatures from fossils, and that there's
become this discrepancy between like leathery skin and feathers, right,

(16:01):
and some of the dinosaurs we know had feathers, some
of them didn't. When we're seeing these things, it's in
the fossil record, there's, like I said, this discrepancy of
feathers are non and a lot of people are describing
these things as leathery wings, right, yes, and correct me
if I'm wrong. But so where do you fall on this?

Speaker 7 (16:24):
Do you think that.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
Do you think that these things are more of the
leathery ring wing dinosaurs or more of the thunderbirds, the
giant you know, like eagles and stuff like that. Where
where do your citing reports fall on this? Do you
separate those? Do you take them all as as one
big thing?

Speaker 7 (16:47):
Or what? What are we looking at?

Speaker 9 (16:49):
As far as that excellent question, thank you, Barney.

Speaker 8 (16:52):
I love it when people bring up these these questions
for me to ask because it's extremely important. First of all,
let's get back to the skin. I am not a
supporter of the feathers on pterosaurs. If you look at
simple structure and anatomy of these creatures, it doesn't line up.
If you want to say that they have some sort

(17:15):
of fibers like pickna fibers on their body, just the body.
I would be more willing to go that direction if
there's some solid scientific study, which there is not. Okay,
it's only theory to think that these things have these
fiber some sort, and maybe they do, and I'm okay

(17:36):
with that. It doesn't disprove creation. If it's all over
the body, There's no.

Speaker 9 (17:43):
Way they would have a strong survival rate.

Speaker 8 (17:45):
Their lung capacity is not the same as an avian bird,
no way near the same. Lung capacities on reptiles are
so much more different.

Speaker 9 (17:56):
If a reptile.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
Got wet and its bodies covered in fiber, it has
a low survival rict This is a fact. Birds are different.
This is why they're excellent survivors and so intelligent. But
not to say that terosaurians are not intelligent. They are
as far as the thunderbird and then terosaur. Most of
the people who come to me say this thing has

(18:17):
some skin. I'm not seeing any fibers, no fis, no
feathers or whatsoever on this thing. Some of them have
gotten real close, so that tells me they know what
they're seeing when you put the two in the categories
such as thunderbirds and pterosaurs. When I've spoken to the
tribes in Washington State and other places have gone to

(18:38):
such as Texas and others, there is a similarity there.
And that's why you'll see some of the totems depicting
the crest on the back of the head, and then
you see some with crest and feathers. This is because
they put them in the same category of the large
territorn birds, because they see them as a big family.

(19:02):
Even though the tribal people and the natives will be
absolutely terrified of pterosaurs versus thunderbirds, because thunderbirds tend to
be more I don't know, in some ways more of
a friend to them, where the flying reptiles are not.

(19:22):
They're far more dangerous and far more aggressive.

Speaker 9 (19:26):
So but however, you.

Speaker 8 (19:28):
Know you have lots of sidings Pennsylvania, Alaska, Texas, California.

Speaker 9 (19:33):
Large terratorn birds versus pterosaurs are gripped and sometimes in
the same thing, same subject.

Speaker 8 (19:40):
It's just that when you talk to an eyewitness, they
very clear, are very clear it's didn't have feathers.

Speaker 9 (19:45):
That's how you can distinct. And you look at the
size too.

Speaker 8 (19:48):
The terratorns tend to be more the thunderbirds tend to
be more like ten foot wingspans, where you have pterosaurs
that range in huge size. One of the biggest encounters
that one of my eyewitnesses had, she said thirty feet
And this is a person who is used to numbers.

(20:10):
She knows her numbers, a numbers lady, and it was
anywhere from about thirty feet to fifteen feet from her
and her family when she saw it.

Speaker 9 (20:19):
So there's a clear distinction.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
When I talked to my guests about this, now, if
it's too far away, they might be more inclined to
say it's a large bird. But usually nine times out
of ten it is related to terosaur and separate from
the thunderbird accounts.

Speaker 6 (20:40):
Do you still get thunderbirds? Like, do you get reports
of both the feathered and the non you.

Speaker 9 (20:46):
Know, I don't.

Speaker 8 (20:47):
I don't get the one I really really count on
from time to time when I talk to is ken
Gerhart where we share a commonality when it comes to
these flyers. And I put two and two together and
I say, hey, I'm not getting a lot of reports
on giant but I'm getting a lot of reports on
the reptiles.

Speaker 9 (21:03):
And he didn'st agree with me, but he's had.

Speaker 8 (21:05):
Far more reports of the large bird versions, the avian types. No,
I don't get as much calls for that I might get.
I think I've probably if I go back and look
at my records, Barnaby, I think I've probably had maybe
three in the span of the time I've been doing
this to where people said, yeah, I saw a huge bird,

(21:27):
huge bird and something that was over ten feet in wingspan.
So I don't get a lot of call for it.
A lot of people know a bird when they see
a bird. There's a huge difference, a huge difference when
you see a reptile with big wings than a bird.
People do know what they're looking at, they just can't
name it. They can't name the species, but they can

(21:50):
say reptile. They may not know what a pterodactyl or
terosaur is or a terratorn or roke I guess you
could say, but they do know the biggest difference is
that smooth letters get that is the biggest standout.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
Are you what do you see in as far as
you've mentioned, like the Tyanadon style with the long beak
and then the horn on the back of the head.
And then you have the more like I know what's
called if you've seen, like anybody that's seen like Jurassic World,
the smaller ones that flock in the courtyard area, you know,

(22:29):
the more lizard type heads without the crest and then
versus tails. Are you seeing the descriptions of the various
sizes and basically are you getting like different species distinct
different species of these things.

Speaker 8 (22:44):
I am not as diverse as the fossil record, though
I would love it if.

Speaker 9 (22:48):
That was the case.

Speaker 8 (22:49):
I give you example here little guy here. Okay, so
this is a tuppy Horrah. This won't sound found in
South America. A little bit larger than that oranda don
species it even bigger. As I said, they're very diverse.
You look at the majestic headcrest of this guy.

Speaker 9 (23:06):
Beautiful.

Speaker 8 (23:07):
This is one of my favorites. But as you will see,
this is not all bone. Bone is here and then
down below this in the middle is cartilage and muscle, okay,
and this allows them to steer. But getting back to
the question with the diversity of what is being seen
out there, a lot of reports tend to be just

(23:29):
the single horn, okay, which is leaning more towards Tarna dante.
In this group of Toronto Dante, I think we have
only five members. So even though you see that big
horn on the back of the head the crest, it
doesn't imply that it's a Tranna don It could be
a different member of the species. And they do range

(23:53):
in size, a little bit smaller, a little bit bigger,
And a clear decation to for your audiences that when
you see a smaller headcrest on a pterosaur, it's probably
a female. Most of the females have smaller headcrests, the
males have bigger ones, so you'll clearly know you're dealing
with the male, and males tend to be not as

(24:13):
aggressive as the females.

Speaker 9 (24:15):
How about that.

Speaker 8 (24:17):
But to give you a little example of anatomy there,
because a lot of people will get this confused and
they think that, Okay, well I saw a terosor, but
they didn't have a head crust, so maybe it's not serosworm. No,
it is because when you look at the other variants
that there are, Like we mentioned the finger placement, you
can have Dimorphodonte, a roub, Nognathandy. The list goes on,

(24:38):
and a lot of these guys tend to have tails.
The smaller versions have the tails. Now you look at
the raf rink coins, they have tails, but they're not
necessarily smaller. They're still huge. They have a ten foot wingspan,
sometimes even up to twenty feet. The largest Ramphorriincus I think,
was found with a twenty foot wingspan from that species alone.

(25:00):
That's huge, and it doesn't have a headcrest. But yes,
most of the reports that come my way tend to
lean towards a headcrest. But I have gotten a good amount,
a good solid amount of the little over variations with tail.

Speaker 9 (25:15):
Black skin just from the distance can look black, it
can be dark gray and the head that looks distinctively
like a dimorphodone or it could be a referen becaus,
depending how the distance you are at.

Speaker 8 (25:28):
Yeah, it does as it is with the species. It's
it's diverse, but it's not as much.

Speaker 6 (25:33):
As I liked it to be though, So do you
think that when you're talking about you talk Washington, California,
I know from Ken Gerhart, Pennsylvania has a huge amount
of sightings, and obviously Texas well. Do you think that
these are all the same species? Do you think that?
I mean I always talk about how you know, butterflies

(25:53):
can migrate from North America all the way down to
South America, and they do this in their migration. So
there's no reason to think that something with a twenty
foot thirty foot wingspan couldn't go from California to Pennsylvania
and back in a couple of days or whatever for
migration or food or breeding. What do you think of
the pattern of where these things are? Do you think

(26:16):
that they breed in a certain area? Do they think
they live in a certain area? Do they live there
year round? What are you looking at for that?

Speaker 8 (26:24):
Yes, I do think they are to have a humongous
migration pattern.

Speaker 9 (26:28):
Again, it's a reptile.

Speaker 8 (26:30):
Different from sea life. If you wanted to compare something
in that, you could probably put sea turtles into that group.
Sea turtles have a vast range. You look at land
dwellers like cougars, We're talking fifty miles to two hundred
miles stretch.

Speaker 9 (26:45):
That's a lot.

Speaker 8 (26:46):
When you look at a creature that can fly, nothing's
going to stop it from where it goes. Migrational patterns,
there's something about certain states that.

Speaker 9 (26:57):
These creatures are clinging to, like Texas.

Speaker 8 (27:00):
Texas and California are hotspots for these creatures because I
have far more numbers of sightings there than anywhere else
are me and I do think there is a pattern there.
And I do think there might be some sort of
nesting grounds in Mexico, Mexico and the Sierra Nevada Mountain
range because they're coming in from those paths. I forget

(27:23):
the word that a film of comrade of mine used
to describe this nesting ground, but it was on par
with what I believe. I do think that these creatures
have a broad range. They can go wherever they want,
and for some reason, they just prefer locations at different
times of the year. There's something, there's some sort of

(27:45):
pattern to it, and that's something that few of us
are trying to tap into. Seeing that we're a small
group compared to the Sasquatch trackers Sashquatch hunters, so it
is a challenge. But I do agree they are coming
from large areas. Maybe the food is different, the geographical
terrain is better. There tends to be more variants of

(28:09):
food in the in these regions for them to feed on.
And unfortunately, if there's substance, if their substance is low,
they're going to turn to something else, and that's why
we have few reports. But we do have some of
them killing people. So yeah, I agree, they do have
a large migrational pattern.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
I know there's been some debate as well, like certain
species are more like aquatic or fish eaters as far
as that, and then there are some that obviously feasted
on small mammals and other things like that. What are
your what is the dietary habits are you seeking on
these things? You said that they may have been killing people.

Speaker 8 (28:47):
Yeah, yeah, it it tends to be the norm is
that they are fish eaters, but they'll go after small
craters too. They'll go after possums, anything that's a land dweller.
I think they'll go after squirrels, anything they can get
their their hands on, claws or wrapping their beak. They're

(29:09):
the problem here is maybe they're suffering from iron and
the orange fields of California seem to be a good
spot for these things where they are being sited more often.

Speaker 9 (29:19):
They could be eating oranges to fill.

Speaker 8 (29:20):
In that dietary supplement for for iron in their body.
I think you're going to find mostly that they're going
after the smaller kinds of wildlife. They could be going
after raccoons, they could be going after cats, dogs. Unfortunately,
I've had reports of people saying their animals have been
mutilated by these things. Cats and dogs, unfortunately, but yeah,

(29:45):
anything they can get their claws on. And then, unfortunately,
if they see a human being in their substance of
their their food levels are low in those places where
they reside, they're going to go after them. And there
are reports of them killing people. One of the most
fascinating reports I had was a man who fought one

(30:06):
of these things, and I think it was p ANDNG.
But here's the interesting part about it is that it
was burning him. It was almost like a electric eel
or a matcha ray. It was stinging him, so he
died of his burns instead of just dying from the
actual sheer attack of the tail or the beak, he

(30:27):
died of burn marks. I remember what looked at this
record this information and I even looked up one from
eighty six where there was a man who died in
fin shop and where this thing picked him up and
threw him in front of the.

Speaker 9 (30:39):
Villagers and ate him in front of the villagers.

Speaker 8 (30:42):
I threw him into the grove of trees and just
began eating his body. This tells me that they're like,
they'll eat whatever they want. But most animals do not
prefer humans unless there's just something happening within their system
that they are in starvation mode or just survival mode

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of some sort and they're going after he wants.

Speaker 9 (31:05):
Because of that, we usually the reports for.

Speaker 8 (31:09):
Them attacking human beings, it's very very low, it's very minimal.
Just don't have many of that many reports there, but
we do have some that we do have to take
into consideration.

Speaker 6 (31:20):
My initial thought here is, you know, with something that big,
it has to land. You know, it's not like I
know they can like walk on the ground or you know,
we believe they can and move around like that, but
you're not going to see these things just walking through
a forest or something to hunt, you know, So fishing
and stuff makes sense because they can swoop down their
prey doesn't see him coming but for things like like

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the orange grooves and stuff you're talking, they would have
to come down and have room to land to bring
in their wings. So these things got to be, you know,
hunting in more wide open spaces.

Speaker 9 (31:53):
Am I right, Well, I think you're right as well.
That's part of it.

Speaker 8 (31:58):
It's just that we have to understand too that it's
not always a larger versions.

Speaker 9 (32:03):
Something with a ten.

Speaker 8 (32:03):
Foot wing stand can still bring in the wings. Because
this is where I've talked to and witnesses said, I
want to make sure.

Speaker 9 (32:10):
You have seen what you've seen.

Speaker 8 (32:12):
If it is a terrasaur, its wings are going to
stick up again, going back to my guy here, see
how they fall backwards, they're going to stick up. And
then of course when they walk, their arms are going
forward like this, their wings are going forward like this.
It's a very awkward position for them to walk in.
That's why they're not very fast on land. They're not

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going to have survival right on land. Anything can pick
them off, because this is why they fly, This is
why they soar. Without that ability, they're going to be
dead on ground. But they will come in if they
to feast because.

Speaker 9 (32:48):
They can quickly actually get up and lift back up
in the air.

Speaker 8 (32:53):
It's just that they're not going to be fast moving
on land because of their biomechanics.

Speaker 9 (32:57):
It's just not the same. It's a struggle.

Speaker 8 (33:00):
They know that they're better off in a high plane
and if there's a food source, and they'll come down
from that plane and feed on it and get back up.
Because again, depending on the time of day they come out,
which I believe is early morning and late night. This
implies that they're nocturnal. These are nocturnal creatures like a bat.
Even though they're not mammals, they are reptiles. So they

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know and they're smart about this to understand how to
survive in order to.

Speaker 9 (33:28):
Keep that survival right and keep their species going.

Speaker 8 (33:30):
So I believe that they will come down, grab what
they need, and take off again. They are not going
to stay very long on that, but it has happened.

Speaker 6 (33:41):
As far as like a population of these things, how
many do you think are out there?

Speaker 8 (33:47):
I love this question, and this is very difficult to answer, Varnaby.
You know, I've talked to comrades about this just to
get an understanding if they're making a comeback, just how
many numbers are there? Well, I've already given you the
fact that we have talked to two hundred and twenty
one on our end with the rope and network, So

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this would imply there's at least hundreds out there. But
you know, a lot of the skeptics and this is
healthy skepticism.

Speaker 9 (34:15):
That's fine.

Speaker 8 (34:17):
I would say, well, they have to have a vast
population to survive.

Speaker 9 (34:20):
Well, you don't know they do, and they maybe do
that they do, and they maybe they don't.

Speaker 8 (34:26):
But either way, they're making a comeback somehow, and they
would have to have a good amount to survive or
maybe not. Just think about what reptiles do in general.
They're excellent survivors, all right, They're excellent hiders. These guys
are potentially something that can camouflage. And over the years

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we've learned that they're more biluminescence, that they have the
ability to glow. However, from a paleontology side, more positioning
belief here.

Speaker 9 (35:00):
And I've talked to a few about this. They're saying,
I can't find any traces that something like this can glow. Well,
I don't think you're going to find it.

Speaker 8 (35:07):
If you went looking in the skeletal structure, you probably
won't find this. You would have to study a firefly
to give you an idea about how it works, and
I'm sure people have done this, but applying the same
technique to a reptile like a pterosaur is not going
to be the same.

Speaker 9 (35:24):
This is what I believe.

Speaker 8 (35:25):
Makes them special from anything else that can fly because
of this ability.

Speaker 9 (35:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (35:32):
I don't know for sure if all of them can glow.
It seems to me that the larger variations can, and
some of the smaller versions like the ten foot wingspans
Referrika Day can as well. There have been reports of
them glowing on the body, reports on the wings, the tail,
and then there is just very very rare occasions of

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them glowing in the forehead, which is quite supernatural in
a way. Usually an organism glows from the body itself,
and people who want to contest this saying, oh, that's
not possible, We'll just look at the life on land
and life in the sea. There are different organisms that
do glow that have this bilomin acid capability. The only

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thing that separates these guys out from them is the
control mechanism which resides in them. This is like a
cracking glow stick and then harnessing that ability to communicate
or warn.

Speaker 9 (36:30):
And if you look at some of the deep sea.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
Fish, they use that for the purpose. And some have
described this glow as being aggressive because then they come
in an attack. Green seems to be more playful or curious.
Amber seems to be more of a warning with a little.

Speaker 9 (36:48):
Bit of light there.

Speaker 8 (36:50):
And then get this red. They actually glue red from
their body as well. The red you would think, Okay,
that's definitely a warning aggressiveness and in some cases that
it so, yeah, hope that answers your question as well.

Speaker 6 (37:04):
Mh. I know there's there's a little bit of a
discrepancy here. I know, Lee Warner brings up the platypus,
and the platypus, among other creatures, has been known for biofluorescent,
which is glowing on the blank light, whereas bioluminescent is
self glowing more like a lantern fish or like you said,
the lightning.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
Bugs and stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
And of course, you know when you when you brought
this up, my mind automatically went to the van meter visitor,
which is supposed to have this you know, like headlight
on his head or like this laser which if these
things do have that ability, you know, like look at
the lantern fish. You have this glowing protuberance off its head.

(37:47):
You know, so maybe this is some sort of you know,
it can be used for mating or anything like that.
It's a communication method, especially if you have such a
small population of these things, you're gonna want to or
show in some way to say where you are and
help locate each other.

Speaker 7 (38:04):
Right.

Speaker 8 (38:05):
Oh, absolutely, I do believe they're using it to communicate
with each other for sure, because when you have the
testimonies from Poul Nation, who I forgot to mentioned earlier,
poll Nations vital to this field as well. Paul Nation
has observed multiple glowing biolominesceence for these creatures. And you're

(38:26):
thinking at first, okay, well, is this actually just a
you know, like a shooting star.

Speaker 9 (38:32):
Maybe it would be. Here's a problem.

Speaker 8 (38:33):
It makes course direction, it comes back, it goes down,
and it comes back up.

Speaker 9 (38:40):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (38:40):
Now, if you spend a little time in parapsychology, you might.

Speaker 9 (38:44):
Be thinking this is a spirit.

Speaker 8 (38:45):
Yes, spirits can do these things too, but just watch
how fast it moves, and this will tell you a
living organism, a natural organism doesn't move like a satellite
dish in the sky. Okay, it's just not that fast.
Not to say these guys can't move quickly, but they do.
So when you're observing this in p ANDNG or in
parts of North America, clearly we're not dealing with something

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that is part of what we've come to know in
the paleontology realm or field, or of truly even took
in the time to study the late Joe Taylor of
Mountain Blanco Fossil Museum was going to take the time
to study his terosaur fossils to see if he can

(39:30):
come away with this bioluminescence, but he passed away unfortunately.
So it is not unheard of to think that these
things have this capability.

Speaker 9 (39:41):
And if you look at what.

Speaker 8 (39:42):
The gentleman brought up as far as platymumism, the platypus
can glow under controlled lighting. Okay, so like a microscope,
bia fluorescence versus bioluminescence. Bioluminescence is a reaction that this
organism can use to its benefit. Biofluorescence is something you
can study under control of the environment like a microscope.

(40:05):
But a lot of animals possess these things so to me,
it's just not unheard of. It is an absolute possibility.
But trying to get the palaeontologists to understand this, no, they.

Speaker 9 (40:18):
Don't want to.

Speaker 8 (40:20):
They say it's just no physical evidence and it's not possible.
It is possible, and there potentially is evidence if you
take the time to study the fossil In regards to
what we're saying, they may be saying, hey, look, you
guys are just nothing but a bunch of creationists who
support the Bible and the text. Yes, we do support that.

(40:44):
And the Bible supports this because if you look at
the Book of Isaiah, it says the fiery flying serpent,
But if you look at the NIV in the NAEs,
it removed fiery flying but it kept serpent. But plural
serpent plural does not refer to snake. It refers to reptile.

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And that's a whole different can.

Speaker 9 (41:05):
Of worms there though.

Speaker 8 (41:07):
But it's mentioned in scripture, so we should be taking
it seriously, especially if people are seeing it.

Speaker 9 (41:13):
I have witnessed this phenomena.

Speaker 8 (41:15):
My comrades have witnessed it, and when you see it,
it will blow your mind.

Speaker 7 (41:21):
Very cool.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Have you personally, you've kind of mentioned you've seen them.
Have you seen one that glows?

Speaker 8 (41:28):
I have seen what it can do. I've seen in
the night seat. When you come to learn more about tterosaurs,
you're constantly looking up. And this is why on the
network I say to seek the truth and keep your
eyes on the sky, because you never know what you're
going to see in the night sky or during the
day for that matter. But I personally observed it on
October seventh, around nine o'clock in twenty twenty four, and

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I saw this thing coming just over the horizon.

Speaker 9 (41:55):
Look at the shooting star. Beautiful, No, the shooting star
goes this way. This thing was going in front.

Speaker 8 (42:03):
Okay, then it put on the brakes and it saw
I believe it actually saw the plane overhead because I
saw the plane the blinking lights when it put on
the brakes. Because it saw it, it bursted and then
it left the plasma trail like almost as if it
corresponds with the legend of the Phoenix.

Speaker 9 (42:24):
Okay, my fellow.

Speaker 8 (42:26):
Comrades who have gone to venture to PNG, Dave Watsall,
Garth guestman Jonathan Witcomb have all seen this reaction from
these creatures doing the same thing. Paul Nation has observed
this phenomena as well. This thing became spooted, put on
the brakes, flashed out, and left the plasma trail.

Speaker 9 (42:48):
And I was.

Speaker 8 (42:49):
Blown away because I'm not supposed to see anything this soon.
I'm only six years into social media promoting the network,
twenty five years of research of pterosaurs and these accounts.
Should it happen this quickly to me?

Speaker 9 (43:06):
Maybe?

Speaker 8 (43:06):
Maybe not, but I'm constantly looking up. So I was
blown away. And then I came and denial, like a
lot of people who have witnessed something that you're not
supposed to see, but you hoped someday you would you think, Okay,
will your mind's playing tricks on you because.

Speaker 9 (43:23):
You wanted it?

Speaker 8 (43:23):
No, it was clear as crystal every bit what I
wanted and looked forward to some day of scene, and
I had that opportunity and it will never I will
never never forget it.

Speaker 9 (43:34):
It will stay with me for life.

Speaker 7 (43:37):
Cool. That's awesome.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
So I want to go back to the population here
and uh.

Speaker 9 (43:46):
Sorry, just trying to signal to my camera here.

Speaker 6 (43:48):
Okay, there we go zooming out there you go?

Speaker 9 (43:57):
If I could just get it, well, I'm sorry, that's.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
Right, Okay, so when we're talking about the population of
these things, I want you to also touch on a
little bit something that we know reptiles, amphibians, and even
some species of birds have been able to do, and
that is parthenogenesis as well.

Speaker 7 (44:18):
As we have a.

Speaker 6 (44:19):
Comment here from Octopus with no Friends that says, as
a reptile over many reptiles can store sperm for at
least several years and continue to lay fertilizz We have
this example in zoos transferred from different zoos, no mate
available and still lays fertilized eggs. And this is this
absolutely amazing phenomenon because it allows us to have small

(44:43):
populations that are able to reproduce, so you can have
you know, good environment and stuff and one female able
to lay fertilized eggs.

Speaker 7 (44:52):
What are your thoughts on all that.

Speaker 9 (44:55):
Well, I agree the only there's a slight difference though.

Speaker 8 (44:58):
These are archosaurs, so they we have characteristics and not
just reptiles, but a few other types as well, so
it only makes them that much more amazing. But I
do agree, and this would actually prove that maybe the numbers.

Speaker 9 (45:12):
Aren't as high as we would like to think they are.

Speaker 8 (45:14):
Again, as I said, excellent survivors produce asexually I think,
able to lay a ton of eggs.

Speaker 9 (45:23):
They're reptiles, not necessarily needing another mate. Isn't that something?

Speaker 8 (45:28):
But something I would like to add in there to
Barnaby is that I get this from time to time.
If we're not dealing with the pterosaur, and where are
they coming from? What are they? Are they being created? Recreated?
Are the hybrids? Are they interbreeding with something else that flies?

(45:48):
I don't know if that can seeing that these are reptiles,
that they don't need another mate.

Speaker 9 (45:54):
Seeing that their survival rate is high. Probably not.

Speaker 8 (45:57):
That's just one of those weird theories that's out there,
but it's worth exploring just a little bit. But I
fully fully agree. But like I said, they are archosaurs.
So with the paleontology feel they're going to say, well,
this thing, over millions of years was started off as
a lizard and sidely sprouted wings and flew off. I'm

(46:17):
not going to subscribe to that whatsoever. Okay, these are
natural creature who been here since the beginning of time
and have found a way to make a comeback.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Now.

Speaker 8 (46:27):
They're also not just nocturnal, but they will dwell in
the largest trees on the earth cave systems, not implying
that they're subterranean dwellers.

Speaker 9 (46:37):
But if they need a place to hide, they will
do so. How about Van Meeer Iowa. When they trap
that thing.

Speaker 8 (46:43):
In the cave system, it was not in its cave
underground chambers. So they will find any place they can
to hide and stay, and they will come out at night.

Speaker 9 (46:54):
They'll come out in the early morning hours.

Speaker 8 (46:56):
Some people witness them around five o'clock in the day
because they're ready to start feeding togain. It actually ties
into my first encounter in twenty twenty. But I'll wait
for you to.

Speaker 9 (47:08):
Ask the questions. I don't want to. I don't want
to jump ship with what you're doing here.

Speaker 6 (47:12):
I would love to hear about your first encounter. We
can go there and we'll start taking some questions over
here too, sure.

Speaker 9 (47:19):
All right? So in twenty twenty I had come to knowwn.

Speaker 8 (47:23):
Reports of the Yakamara River, which is two hundred and
forty three miles long over forty different variations of fish.

Speaker 9 (47:30):
Within this river system.

Speaker 8 (47:32):
People are constantly fishing along there illegally because they know
they're going to catch something. All the time steel had
a trout salmon, you named lots of them there walk there,
m'd be one more.

Speaker 9 (47:43):
Why fish you think it is or whatever.

Speaker 8 (47:46):
Anyway, after all the accounts I had heard about glowing
phenomena and from the tribal nations, I decided to investigate
myself do as something small for the first time. Took
an apprentice with me, set up work and just watched
for the avian types, and we were treated to quite
a festival of different birds coming in. There were eagles,

(48:09):
there were night jars, there were hawks just grabbing the
fish from the river system. It was beautiful just to
watch them. And we stayed out there from mid afternoon
all the way to about the morning times about I
think probably two am in the morning. The one thing
I tend to forget on these expeditions, which I should

(48:31):
be a lot better at, but I keep forgetting is
bug spray, bug repellent or a mesh.

Speaker 9 (48:37):
Suit of all things.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (48:40):
So these insects that are in this region are huge
and they will eat at you. You feel like you're
in Africa. This whole terrain is a tributary that connects
to the Columbia River Gorge, where if you've ever ventured there.
There were windmills, just high plains, lobes, it's just beautiful.

(49:02):
So because we again eaten alive, we decided to set
up camp over by Horn Rapids and we stayed there
for hours trying to take in some rest, and we
just couldn't. The insects found their way into our vehicle.
I'm like, okay, let's take off. Let's go find a
place to stay. We'll come back and make some more provisions.
So around two am in the morning, we headed out

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of the Yakamawa region and as we're approaching a place
called Weber Canyon, it's isolated, dark, you're all alone there.
My car was probably moving twenty miles an hour. And
as we're going through this canyon, I had my headlights on,
I had my moonroof open, and it's probably about one

(49:42):
hundred degrees outside, so perfect weather for anything that could
be coming there. Now, going back for just a moment,
when we were out there and it became pitch black.

Speaker 9 (49:54):
There was no moonlight. It was just darkness, and it
was so amazing.

Speaker 8 (49:59):
I started using lighting to track them because if they
are curious and if they do create bioluminescent glow. They're
going to come in with curiosity, and they've been known
to do that. There are reports of them perching on
the trees. There are reports of them going after the fish.
There are reports of them killing night jars. You'll hear
the popping sound of these birds and you'll hear the

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stream from them. So there are far more accounts related
to this river system from my other fellow comrades, Peter Beach.

Speaker 9 (50:29):
Mel Marcy as well.

Speaker 8 (50:31):
Anyway, as we're leaving the canyon, that's when I felt
something overhead, something large, pass over the vehicle, and the
sound it made raise the hairs on the back of
my neck and on my arms.

Speaker 9 (50:46):
Now, some people say, if you're going twenty miles an hour.

Speaker 8 (50:48):
You shouldn't hear that. Yes, you will, and I felt it.

Speaker 9 (50:52):
It was low.

Speaker 8 (50:54):
I don't know how quite how far it was from
the top of the roof of the vehicle to where
it was, because I was able to hear it. It
couldn't have been that far away from the top. But
when I heard it, I knew there was something exotic there.
I couldn't record that, of course, it just happened so fast,

(51:15):
but I believed I heard one as it was coming
in at that time of the morning to feed. Again,
that's because of the reports that because of what I learned,
and anyone who might be skeptical of this will probably say, well,
you probably just heard a crane or a heron.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
No.

Speaker 8 (51:31):
I studied avians for six years. I know all the sounds,
and the majority of birds make this was none of them.
So I didn't just rely on my physical hearing to
hear something like this or to take in that. I
decided to take it to another avian enthusiast, so at
the Wildlife Safari, who we strongly endorse on our network.

(51:55):
I talked to quite a handful of people. I said,
describe this sound. What kind of bird makes this sound?
And I mimic the sound and I said it doesn't
ring a bell at all.

Speaker 9 (52:04):
I'm like, okay, well.

Speaker 8 (52:06):
Heron, crane, shoe bill just throwing something out there, a
hawk And we went over this over and over again,
and there was nothing that matched the sound of what
I heard. And I've actually made this sound for people before.
It's a little tewonky, though, so I don't know if
I feel comfortable doing that unless you absolutely want to

(52:28):
hear it. But this is what we came across, and
I was convinced this could have been one of them.
I didn't see it, I felt it. I heard it,
and it was enough to scare the hell out of me,
But it was enough to continue to make me drive
closer and closer to knowing truly what's out there. And

(52:50):
if there's a lot of reports as it is, chances
are and may have come in contact with one of
these creatures.

Speaker 9 (52:56):
So it was impressive.

Speaker 6 (53:01):
You mentioned something there that stands out, the fact that
you know, you felt it raise up, you know, your
hair and stuff like raise up in the car, this
feeling of having it there. Do you think you mentioned
earlier as well that one of those attacks was like
electrical or you know, with that, do you think that

(53:23):
there was a connection, like if these things have some
sort of a charge or energy to them, is it
just because something flew over you that you had that
feeling or do you think it was kind of a
static electricity kind of charge something of that nature.

Speaker 8 (53:38):
Yeah, definitely not a static electricity charge. I just think
that the sound, how exotic it was, was enough.

Speaker 9 (53:46):
To disturb me.

Speaker 8 (53:50):
If you listen to so many different versions of bird calls,
the sounds that they make out, there's so much. You'd
be surprised at one little bird make so many difference
as a fox has over I think close to two
hundred different sounds.

Speaker 9 (54:05):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 8 (54:07):
And then you think about what a bird can do,
because birds mimic, they have sometimes they have some birds
of this fegal speech where they're able to mimic what
you say, like the parents, right, So I think that
this mimicking can actually be something that these creatures have
a capability of. Again, because they're so diverse, and we

(54:29):
don't have that many pterosaur researchers on them, either a
paleontologist or cryptosologists. I think there's only maybe sixteen to
twenty paleontologists devoted to terosaur discovery. That's really small in
alarming too and maybe at the same time great because
we do not know everything about these amazing reptiles. So

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what I got from it was just an exotic call
that was enough to disturb you because it almost felt
like a cross between something else and this and then
a man. It was just that frightening, but enough to
make me want to continue to find out what it is.
As far as a man who was killed by this thing.
You know, the stinging sensation almost like a manta ray

(55:17):
or a sting ray, or an eel electric eel, which
is technically not an.

Speaker 9 (55:21):
Iel, but it's an eel.

Speaker 8 (55:24):
That tells me there may be some more characteristics to
these creatures. Let me give you an idea something I'm
wrestling with. If it is a reptile, and certain reptiles
possess this, either lizards or reptiles, they're different, I get.

Speaker 9 (55:38):
It, Tomato, Tomato.

Speaker 8 (55:42):
Is it possible that terosaurs are poisonous or venomous? Yes,
I do think it's possible. How have we detected it
in the bones? No, but we also haven't detected the bioluminescence.
We also haven't been able to discover a trenodon with

(56:03):
a tail, which would point towards the ropin. The ropin
has a tail with the head crest has not been discovered.
Does that mean it doesn't exist.

Speaker 9 (56:13):
No, because we're.

Speaker 8 (56:14):
Still trying to find bones out there, and the bones
are fragile.

Speaker 6 (56:19):
So when you're you're talking about things in do we
know based on the bodies of like you said, an
active thing of being able to do it versus a
dead specimen Can we detect the electricity of the eels?

Speaker 9 (56:40):
Yes, we can.

Speaker 8 (56:41):
They've actually used different tests to prove this, like the
shock waves.

Speaker 9 (56:48):
This ability that's.

Speaker 8 (56:49):
Pretty amazing and usually because it has to come in
contact with something else.

Speaker 6 (56:53):
But but after they're deceased, I mean, like you said,
so you're talking about like with the pterosaurs and stuff,
we don't have the ability to tell if they are
biofluorescent based on their remains, right, the skeletons and stuff
like that. Can we detect the electric abilities of eels

(57:14):
based on their remains, not when they're alive. I mean,
like we have the tests and stuff you see at
the zoos they have the electric meters.

Speaker 7 (57:20):
And stuff on the tanks and that.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
But can we detect that after they've they've passed No, yeah.

Speaker 9 (57:26):
I don't think we can.

Speaker 8 (57:28):
But because they haven't passed on, because they're not extinct,
we can conduct testing.

Speaker 7 (57:33):
On them, correct.

Speaker 9 (57:34):
Right.

Speaker 8 (57:35):
Yeah, So that's a good point. I haven't heard any
of bring that up yet. I'm glad you did. You're
on top of those, Bartiby I try. Yeah, yeah, No,
I think that's an excellent point.

Speaker 9 (57:48):
Yeah, dang, I don't even think about this one. Good
to know really, we.

Speaker 6 (57:55):
Have a lot of questions. I want to check in
who with a year. We are at the top of
the hour here. I want to make sure that you
don't don't have any appointments or anything after. If we
can kind of continue a little bit longer here.

Speaker 9 (58:04):
No, I'm totally good, keep going if you like to.

Speaker 7 (58:06):
Awesome.

Speaker 6 (58:06):
Awesome, I'm going to start doing some comments here and
questions for you. I think we did kind of get
some of this taken care of. That's why I like
to wait till the end. But well, what part of
Washington was your encounter? You said it was in the
Yakama River basin.

Speaker 9 (58:22):
Yes, Yakima River.

Speaker 8 (58:23):
I would say it's about twenty miles outside of Benton City,
not Beton City corp Allis, but Benton City, Washington State.
So from that point on you're probably Weber Canyon is
probably about twenty five minutes thirty minute drive from where
our location was.

Speaker 6 (58:41):
And then Flat Rock as well. He yes, that first
part is guessing eastern Washington. Do you have a lot
of sightings over there?

Speaker 9 (58:48):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 8 (58:49):
This actually ties into Hanford, Washington as well, so the
sightings are kind of scattered, They're all over the state
of Washington, not just in the central areas, but also
towards the coastal grounds. I've actionally had a few sightings
of pterosaurs on along the Oregon coast as well. It
says that for some reason they tend to prefer Washington

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over Oregon. But then again, a lot of people just
aren't coming forward in Oregon, I mean kind of in.

Speaker 9 (59:17):
The wrong state for research.

Speaker 8 (59:19):
But anyway, a lot of accounts also come from central
which is the Yakamah Forest.

Speaker 9 (59:25):
And if you think about it too, for.

Speaker 10 (59:28):
The gentleman who's asking, you have Mount Atoms, you have
Mount Saint Helen's and a lot of these mountains still
have caves that you could send a drone into to
potentially discover one of these guys.

Speaker 8 (59:42):
And there are lots of reports of them being seen
along these mountains, especially at night. There is glowing phenomena
along Mount Atoms, and I've come to learn that there
are of cave systems within it too, so and now
Mount Adams has actually become an active volcano, so that
one could below sometime in the near future. But yes,

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there are lots of accounts of them, not just at
the river system, but in the forest areas which is
where I met my first client, and then along the
coastal regions as well.

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
Up so.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
Octopus and No Friends says he's always curious about locations
of the encounters. Let me ask you this based on
this is what are you seeing as far as topography
and locations where these things are. You obviously have to
have water, everything has to have that. But are you
seeing these more like you said, along rivers and forested areas.

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Are they nesting in the trees or do you have
to have high rocky outcroppings for nesting or what very
specific regions or areas would you find these things?

Speaker 7 (01:00:58):
You think question?

Speaker 8 (01:01:01):
See, Actually, I believe that if you have something with
mountains that are not too far off, if you have
a river system, a lake, you have a good forest area,
there is more likely that you're going.

Speaker 9 (01:01:13):
To see terrasaurs in this area.

Speaker 8 (01:01:15):
But again, if we're referring to a creature that's mostly nocturnal,
that comes out of the morning, comes out at night,
it's going to be that much more harder to see. Okay,
But I am finding it's mostly a rocky cliffs, it's mountains,
it's rivers, anywhere where there's a potential food source for
these guys is where you're going to see them. So
pay attention to the river systems, pay attention to lakes,

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pay attention to high cliffs. They need something to perch
on and then soar into. Okay, especially if we're talking
about a creature that uses currents to glide upon.

Speaker 9 (01:01:52):
And this is the key here. If they are associated.

Speaker 8 (01:01:55):
With the thunderbird legends, they are using storm patterns to
fly into when it is a thunderstorm, they use those
currents to strengthen their ability to feed, which seems really odd,
but it really isn't.

Speaker 9 (01:02:10):
I mean anytime. I mean for you to look at
what different times of.

Speaker 8 (01:02:13):
The year people like to go places because they know
the environment's better. These guys know the accept the exact
same patterns to use to better their survival rates, to
better their flight patterns for a feeding frenzy. So keep
that in mind. If you have a storm that's brewing,
you might just see one. People in Texas have told

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me after a thunderstorm they've seen Trono dots. One was
actually struggling to fly because it was being pulled by
the currents, and eventually it did and that scared her
so bad that she ran back in the home with
her son and said, was that a Terrand actually said, yeah,
it was.

Speaker 9 (01:02:51):
So.

Speaker 8 (01:02:52):
It's wind patterns, it's environments. It's the mountains, it's the lakes,
it's the rivers. If you have something close to you
like that, which I do here in Oregon, then there's
a good chance that there's activity and you can see.

Speaker 9 (01:03:05):
It for yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
So going back to some of the legends and lore
and stuff of the thunderbirds, those things were supposed to
come out during thunderstorms, which is kind of where they
got the name, these thunderclaps and these large creatures. You
think that's kind of you know, the same there, or yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:03:25):
I think it is.

Speaker 8 (01:03:26):
Yeah, I think because, like I mentioned, just any kind
of weather pattern that betters your ability to strike, you're
going to use it. You can ride those currents.

Speaker 9 (01:03:35):
It is. So it's so odd, though in a sense
it is.

Speaker 8 (01:03:38):
A little bit odgu it's almost supernatural, parentormal to think
that they need to have that. And this is where
a lot of people say, well, maybe they're using vortexes
on the Earth to travel. Maybe they know about it,
or maybe they don't. I'm not a subscriber to trime travel,
but I am a subscriber to vortex's around our earth
that are kind of like just a mode of transportation

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from one end to the next. Doesn't mean these animals
know about this, but.

Speaker 9 (01:04:06):
It seems to be that they're.

Speaker 8 (01:04:09):
Kind of just mesmerized in a sense because they're in
one place and then suddenly they're in another, and it's
almost as if they don't know where they are. And
this is where people have implied, ohkay, it's portals of
time rift. Now I think somehow, some way they're using
these vortexes to get around, but maybe they don't know

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how to utilize them as well.

Speaker 9 (01:04:33):
Maybe they do.

Speaker 8 (01:04:34):
There are different currents in the ocean where animals sea life, yeah, yeah,
and they use that to their ability. So maybe these
guys do are aware of this. There's wildlife that knows
about these things. They're ground dwellers that they are utilizing
the paths. The whole thing is very, very unique, and
it just makes it that much more tough for to study,

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especially if you're devoted to something that flies, which is naughty.

Speaker 9 (01:05:00):
It is hard.

Speaker 8 (01:05:01):
So therefore you've got to think, like the creature, realize
where it hides, where it lives, its habitat, and try
to do the best you can to get prints, scat,
drone footage if you can disguise the drone as an organism.
Maybe I don't recommend you go looking in cave systems
with climbing up the mountains and going looking. You get

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killed that way.

Speaker 9 (01:05:25):
Be smart as you do your research.

Speaker 6 (01:05:27):
Absolutely on that note, what physical evidence have you found?
Have you gotten any kind of footprints or handprints or
anything like that off these things?

Speaker 8 (01:05:38):
I personally have not been able to get footage. I
have not been able to get scat or any kind
of prints. However, my comrades have. Doctor Carl Ba has
prints of a living pterosaur in his museum that I've
actually been able to see.

Speaker 9 (01:05:52):
This is not This is not hard to.

Speaker 8 (01:05:54):
Fathom at all, Because we have sasquatch tracks right, and
most people who are not familiar with this field, the
cryptozoology or the sasquatch and don't want to really believe
in it. We still have the tracks right, and it's
hard to debate whether or not those are legit.

Speaker 9 (01:06:09):
Most of them are.

Speaker 8 (01:06:10):
Some can be fabricated, sure, But again, we have fossils
of terrosaurs doing not we have their skeletal remains doing not.
Why would this be hard to believe? If you found tracks,
tried to active tracks of a Ropin or Congamato or
core Alusa, Maya Duas, all these different names for these creatures,

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why is this hard to believe?

Speaker 9 (01:06:32):
It it's not.

Speaker 8 (01:06:33):
I have not been able to get tracks or anything.
But there is some footage out there. I do have images.
It was given to me by law enforcement that I
am not allowed to share. It's currently on my phone.
If I ever met you in person, I would show
you everything I have as far as pictures which I
do have.

Speaker 9 (01:06:52):
It's not a fuzzy bigfoot.

Speaker 8 (01:06:54):
You can clearly make out the colors and the distinct
features of a terrace, which is great. And this was
given to me by law enforcement from Fresno, California. Whole
different story there in itself. Won't go into that, Okay,
But I do have images. I don't have tracks, I
don't have scatt I don't have any video footage, but

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I do have images. The video footage we have is
from Milt, Marcy and Peter Beach on their expedition to
pop in the Guinea for the rope.

Speaker 9 (01:07:23):
This apparent terosaur.

Speaker 8 (01:07:24):
You can tell has hands on the top of the wings,
the metatarsal and the humorous clearly distinctive of a flying
a reptile. But again it's at a great distance. Others
have been very skeptical of this, cynical of it. I
get it, but it might be the best compelling video
footage we have of the rope in itself. I think

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it's a good look. I think it's good possibility, but
that so far as what we have, we're still working
on it. This is what makes us drive forward, to
make us want to continue to find these creatures. But
since it's a flyer, it's far more difficult than the
sasquatch teams are encountering me.

Speaker 9 (01:08:09):
So it is difficult.

Speaker 6 (01:08:10):
Has anyone gotten any audio you mentioned like you had
heard stuff. Has anyone recorded anything?

Speaker 8 (01:08:15):
Yes, Garth Gessman, my comrade who I talked to a
lot in Papua New Guinea, has recorded what he believes
sounds of these guys and the sounds that they make.

Speaker 9 (01:08:25):
I was waiting for it.

Speaker 8 (01:08:26):
I was like, Okay, maybe we have a potential sound
from what I experienced in Yakama on his recordings. So
as I listened to all of his I was waiting
for it, waiting for it. I didn't hear it, but
the sounds that they make would surprise you if this
is one of them. Okay, they don't sound like anything

(01:08:48):
like an avian bird. It's far more exotic than I
had imagined. If these recordings are in fact from terri saurians. Okay,
So Garth Gustman has audio sounds of that, he doesn't
really share that with the general public. It needs to
be somebody who can ultimately trust The organization who works

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for is South Bay Science and Genesis Park, but Dave Wutzel,
doctor Carl Bough's office, it's a matter of a trust
issue for him to open up and share that. But
he's more than willing if he can understand where you're
coming from. For anyone who's not going to be cynical here,
but just keep an open mind about what could potentially

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be there.

Speaker 7 (01:09:33):
Very cool.

Speaker 6 (01:09:35):
Okay, back to comments and questions here. I want to
stay on this because we were talking about the flying
and stuff. So NW Native Tracker has a lot of
comments over here. Agrees that the larger ones can eat
people and says that when you're talking about where they're

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located and stuff over Oregon and stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:10:01):
He says that it's because they.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
Come from Montana and fly over the Northwest territories, and
at Eugene Airport they follow the planes at night as
they take off and tail thunderboard thunderbirds fly over the mountains.
So kind of all there.

Speaker 8 (01:10:23):
Yeah, I do agree with that too. He said Eugene.
Did he mean Eugene, Oregon, like Springfield.

Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
We'll see he's been in here. I thought it was
Eugene Airport. I don't know if it was the name
of the airport, Eugene. At Eugene Airport, they follow planes
and they take off.

Speaker 9 (01:10:44):
Yeah, maybe he's witness this phenomena.

Speaker 8 (01:10:46):
You rs Okay, Yeah, I'm not surprised with that, because
let's consider the Cierra Mountain Range. They're coming down from
the Sierra Nevada Mountains, which leads into Mexico as well California.
This is California as a hotspot for rope in activity
terrosaur activity. Again, I know I use the word ropin

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but again, it's just another word for a living terarosaur.

Speaker 9 (01:11:08):
I love saying it because it opens up the conversation
even more.

Speaker 8 (01:11:11):
They're saying, what's that they think I'm referring to ropin Cowboy. No,
but it does strike up a conversation. The same could
be said for congamato. The use of congamato dive bomber
boat breaker to where it could be one of the
smaller types with the tail that just tends to be
more of a pest. As a matter of fact, there

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was one missionary who said, we still have them in
Kenya in Zambia, and they are annoying because they swoop
down on you and try to kill you. I mean
birds in general, like crows will do that if you
get too close. They'll swoop down on YouTube, but they'll
peck you to death and that could be damaging. These
things have teeth, so they could actually bite on you.

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But they consider them more of a dangerous pest. And
like when you're here in Oregon, there's a lot of
squirrels here. Squirrels are a pest. As they get in
the way, you can easily run them over because they've
len in with the road. I'd like to think that
the Congamanto was more of a foe, a more feared
foe there than a squirrel.

Speaker 6 (01:12:14):
On that note, have you had any you know like
if they're a past, they're bothering people. Has anyone you
know killed one or claim to have killed one, like
in Africa or something?

Speaker 7 (01:12:25):
And yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 8 (01:12:27):
Know the gentleman who actually died from his wounds. I
thought for certain that the authorities would go looking for
that thing. Now, how about the man who died by
being thrown into the trees in finn Shop in eighty
six PNG. I looked at the coroner's report on that one,
and you can find this. It's difficult to find, but
I found it, which is great, and it said unknown animal.

Speaker 9 (01:12:51):
Okay, but they didn't have a carcass because he didn't
kill it. It killed him.

Speaker 8 (01:12:55):
It was one of the huger ones, probably about twenty
eight to thirty four wingspan. Is as far as a
story that lines up with someone killing one, I haven't
really gotten many reports of that, but I did get
one of a man finding it on his property in
Washington State.

Speaker 7 (01:13:10):
Again.

Speaker 8 (01:13:10):
I come back to Washington because there's a lot of
mystery involving this, and this one dealt with the windmills.
There's a ton of windmills along the Columbia River Orange
and he believes it actually sliced one of them and
it was found on his property. He's found it below
the windmill, and he said, I just didn't know what
it was. It was mutilated. It was purplish black in color,

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and you could see the veins on its wings. It
was smooth skin, and the head was like a beak
and had teeth in its mouth. So he had told
me that he reported it that night to fish and
wildlife and the next morning the carcass was gone. Okay,
that sounds like more of a cover up to me

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that there might be some controversy there if what he's
telling me is the truth. There's some loop holes in
his story that I don't trust. But it makes for
a fascinating conversation of whether or not we actually had
a physical specimen at one point in time.

Speaker 9 (01:14:12):
And if he still had that.

Speaker 8 (01:14:15):
It would have blown the doors off of this research quickly,
and that's what we need, and unfortunately we didn't get that.
But just to hear from him and him to relay
this information to me told me there's a possibility that
these things are happening in that region, especially with those windmills,
that they tend to pull in the wildlife type and

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kill them like eagles and other types of birds, but
the numbers that come back up, so it's not as
dangerous or opposing to them anymore, but they do get
sucked in. There's a lot of windmills out there. I
just don't know how legit this story is, but it
is fascinating. One of my favorites. I just wish it
could be solidified, but.

Speaker 9 (01:14:57):
I couldn't do it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
I know.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
I've heard a story out of Hey, you want to say, Utah, No,
New Mexico, of a bunch of farmers down there that
know that they're up in the mountains and stuff, and
they come down and they eat the chickens and stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:15:17):
And their livestock.

Speaker 6 (01:15:18):
And they said, well, why don't you tell anybody, Why
don't you you know, have this research. And they said, well,
we don't want you on my property, you know. And
that goes along with a lot of these stories of
Bigfoot and stuff, of these habituations and stuff. Yeah, we
know they're here, but we don't want you coming out here.
And you know, thousands of people flock into our property
and you know, getting in our way of farming or

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whatever because you want to research this thing.

Speaker 8 (01:15:42):
Yeah, and this is where it takes time to get
to know these people. Don't go out there just say hey,
I'm looking for exotic wildlife. Go out there and get
to know these people. Spend some time with them, open
up to them, learn from them, and over time they'll
open up to you. This is what the tribal nations
have done for me. As I've come to know them,

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that's when they start to tell you more about their history,
about what they know involving the arcasarian activity that's out there.

Speaker 9 (01:16:11):
Because if you look at.

Speaker 8 (01:16:12):
Yakama and the tribal nations that are out there, they say, look,
we don't call them what you call them. Again, for palaeontologists,
this is hard to understand.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
Why.

Speaker 8 (01:16:22):
It's just different names for these creatures around the world.
If you want to call it rope and fine, you
want to call it a pterodactyl, that's fine too. It's
not politically or correct, I get it, but it conveys
what the creature is.

Speaker 9 (01:16:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:16:36):
I think when it comes to these people, they're reluctant
because they know of it.

Speaker 9 (01:16:40):
They want to preserve it.

Speaker 8 (01:16:43):
It's an amazing phenomena to them. And it's funny that
they're just going after the small animals. But like I
told you, it's not always going to be about going
after people. It's about whatever they can get their claws on.
It's easier, it's an easier kill, and maybe they've just
become more of accustomed to the taste of certain animals too.

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When you look at a lot of reports we've done
over the years, the polygraph examination was huge for us.
I understand that the polygraph test is not full proof,
and I've had people come to me over and over
again say you can't use that.

Speaker 9 (01:17:18):
Yes you can. Here's why.

Speaker 8 (01:17:19):
I did polygraph testing with Salempde for about ten years.
The last one I did was in twenty fourteen, I
think with Susan Coates SALEMPD. We recently had a polygraph
examination done up in twenty twenty four with sg Polygraph
and that went really well. But a lot of people said, hey,
this is just it's not full proof. I get it,

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but it's a step in the right direction for pterosaur
research where we have someone who was willing to come forward,
We recorded this information and it just helps solidify the cause.
Something to keep in mind, though, Barnaby, is that if
you've ever watched Monster Quest or your audience is familiar
with West you see episodes of them constantly filming polygraph examinations.

(01:18:06):
That's a no no, that breaks the rule. You're not
allowed to film during the polygraph test. Afterwards, no problem,
But I guess you can find someone who's liberal in
California that might do forree.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
You know, you know the creator of Monster Quest, Doug
high Check, is the guy that runs this network.

Speaker 7 (01:18:25):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:18:26):
Whoops, sorry, Doug, Well, Doug, that's maybe just one opinion too, Okay,
actual polygraph examinator.

Speaker 9 (01:18:39):
They said, yeah, you can't do that. So, I mean,
that's just one person's worry about it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:46):
Just just thought i'd throw that out there, so you know,
but yeah, no, absolutely, there's there's a lot of a
lot of cool stuff and uh yeah, I and then
the whole fact the thing that polygraph is is based
on like your your pulse and you know, your your
body's response to certain questions is how it works.

Speaker 7 (01:19:05):
Correct.

Speaker 8 (01:19:07):
Yes, so if you believe what you saw to be legit,
that can work in your right.

Speaker 9 (01:19:13):
But there are ways.

Speaker 7 (01:19:15):
Sorry, I was just gonna say so.

Speaker 6 (01:19:16):
So basically, you know, like people who want to lie
about well, did you murder somebody. Oh no, I didn't.
You know, I didn't murder somebody. You can train yourself to,
you know, lower your blood pressure and stuff to kind
of try and fool that. And I can see why
that would be you know, unsubmissible or whatever have you.

Speaker 8 (01:19:35):
Here's the here's the key, though, Barnaby, because we didn't
give our client time to study this or to be
able to control this ability.

Speaker 9 (01:19:46):
Nope, we rush right into this polygraph test. So that's
key right there.

Speaker 8 (01:19:51):
And if you look at the examiner or Sally Joe Donahue,
who conducted the test for us nine times out of ten,
nine times out of ten, people are long. She's she
was actually absolutely blown away that this woman had passed
the test. Catherine, she was not expecting that. She's like,
oh boy, how do I irrespond to this now? But

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that's why it was so great. That's what made this
so much more amazing that she didn't. This is a
retired sheriff who became a polygraphic examiner. That says something
about the character and about what's involved here.

Speaker 6 (01:20:28):
So yeah, well that was my point is, you know
you can I don't. I didn't commit this murder. You know,
I'm gonna I'm gonna try and work my body so
that I can pass this test and stuff. These people
that you're interviewing and stuff, and you know we're talking
about like Bigfoot or Ropins or whatever have you, they
have no financial gain out of this. They're not, you know,

(01:20:50):
trying to promote that they saw this. A lot of
the times your witnesses, you can tell if they've actually
had an encounter just based on their physical attributes of
what happens to them when they're counting this thing. A
lot of people are absolutely terrified and leaves this imprint
on them, and that is so strong that obviously it's
going to come through on these polygraph tests. They're not

(01:21:12):
going to be able to fake that amount of you know,
intensity to what they've experienced when they talk about it
and discuss it.

Speaker 9 (01:21:22):
Oh.

Speaker 8 (01:21:22):
Absolutely, Again, I come back to all walks of life.
I've spoken to law enforcement, I've spoken to military doctors, lawyers.
What reason do these people have to make any of
this stuff up? They don't, they don't, but they need
an outlet. They need someone they can talk to about this.
And that's why I did this. That's why I create
this network. It's not just about the terrorist or activity,

(01:21:44):
but that's what we mostly specialize in.

Speaker 9 (01:21:47):
But they've seen other things.

Speaker 8 (01:21:48):
Too that just scare the hell out of you, and
rightfully so. So they need an outlet to go to
to be able to event and move on.

Speaker 9 (01:21:57):
I think that's important. It's very therapeutic, it's very cathartic.

Speaker 6 (01:22:02):
All right, Uh, maybe you can answer this one a
whole glowing red trope reminds me of the Bigfoot encounters
of glowing red eyes in the moth Man. Do you
know of any other animals in nature that have these
glowing eyes and stuff?

Speaker 8 (01:22:22):
That's you know, when it comes to the glowing eyes,
I mean, most wildlife has that eyeshine at night, but
not red. Red is very unique and it seems to
be something that is borderline supernatural to my opinion. I
don't know if I can fully answer this. I do
not know of many types of wildlife out there they
can do this.

Speaker 9 (01:22:42):
Something I may have to study up on.

Speaker 8 (01:22:44):
But yeah, when you make a connection like to the
Mothman or something that has that illumination, I tend to
think the Mothman is more supernatural that it really doesn't
fit into cryptozoology. Animal hidden animal kind of like the
little people thing too. I don't know if that fits
really either. It's mostly related to animal activity. Mothman's more supernatural.

(01:23:06):
But the red glowing eyes, that one's tough because most
reports of terrosaurs don't imply that their eyes are glowing.

Speaker 9 (01:23:14):
It's their body that is.

Speaker 8 (01:23:16):
So something I probably can't answer, but I'd like to
study up on though.

Speaker 9 (01:23:20):
And just a fore warning bar to me, my head piece.

Speaker 10 (01:23:22):
Is going.

Speaker 6 (01:23:24):
Go wrap it up here real quick, have you guys?
I was something personally i'd like to know is have
you tried using like glowing anything on the ground to
try and illicit contact, Like have you tried bait lights?

Speaker 7 (01:23:38):
I guess yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:23:40):
I tried different methodology to lure or tract to try
to do the same thing that would actually mimic what
they do. I haven't had really any good results there.
Some of them, I've been told are curious and will
come in. They're not afraid of men. It doesn't appear
they're really too, you know, scared of us. They'll come

(01:24:03):
in anyway. Some have been known to attack a large
group of people. So I've tried this methodology. I haven't
really had much success there. We've used thermal imaging, we
used in night vision. Anything we possibly can do to
try to help benefit the cause.

Speaker 9 (01:24:18):
But I have done the lights. Not much effect there
on that, unfortunately, let me keep trying.

Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
It was good.

Speaker 6 (01:24:29):
I think we're good there. Just a couple uh. I
want to know if his thoughts on interdimensional You kind
of made the comment about the air slips and stuff
like that and movement to that, so we'll call that
one good. And then Native Tracker says, during World War two,
my father encountered one in New Guinea, emptied a Tommy
gun at it and it didn't take it out. So

(01:24:51):
maybe he's just bad a. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 8 (01:24:55):
It goes back to Van Meter right where all these
men supposedly ambushed the.

Speaker 9 (01:24:58):
Thing and it didn't kill it. Hard to believe.

Speaker 6 (01:25:03):
Is there any physical evidence recovered on the rope? And
if I know you kind of tuned in late here,
if you go back in the episode we covered this,
But have you had any other reports of other dinosaurs
in the US.

Speaker 8 (01:25:16):
In the US, yes, we've had therappods in Florida, We've
had I mean, if you look at I mean, I
know that this is marine life. Marine reptiles are not dinosaurs,
but it's part of the Kingdom. You're gonna have a
lot of lake dwellers like champ Ogo, Pogo kressy NeSSI well,

(01:25:37):
that's that's Scotland.

Speaker 9 (01:25:38):
That's other areas. Land dwellers not so much.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
I have.

Speaker 8 (01:25:45):
There are small reports of raptors amongst us in Oklahoma.
I'm beginning some really neat eyewitness testimonies from truckers saying
they've seen small raptors along the freeways and they think
they're gonna run them over like they're small, they're not huge.
There's the t rexes in Texas phenomena that's going on
there due to frocking.

Speaker 9 (01:26:06):
This is the steep south.

Speaker 8 (01:26:08):
Of Texas, the Horn of Texas. Hebronville and Fayetteville, I
think it is. Yeah, there have been other reports of
living dinosaurs in the United States, but they tend to
be more along the desert regions, the hotter climates, and
that makes sense.

Speaker 9 (01:26:22):
It's warmer regions for them. They just like it hot. So.

Speaker 8 (01:26:26):
Yeah, theropods like dwellers, sky dwellers. Yeah, pretty cool stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:26:32):
It's interesting that you bring that up, being if these
things are reptilian, wouldn't they have to have more hotter
climates and wouldn't like you know, like Washington, Oregon stuff,
they get pretty cold, obviously.

Speaker 7 (01:26:43):
Do you think that.

Speaker 6 (01:26:43):
That's more migration down to Texas and back something to
do with that.

Speaker 8 (01:26:48):
I do think that is a good, strong possibility, because yeah,
you're right, they would prefer warmer climates. But let's also
remember something too. Reptiles can do really well in cold
climates too. As a matter of fact, I've gun reports
of snakes just slithering in the snow, the snow of
all things. They can survive in the cold if they
have to, and if they do have piagna fibers. Is

(01:27:10):
this if there is some fibers on the body that
would help strengthen their survival, right.

Speaker 9 (01:27:15):
I'm just not buying into that yet. I want to
see more research done.

Speaker 6 (01:27:20):
I could talk to you the rest of the day,
and I'm sure our audience here has a ton more questions.
I don't want to keep you. I appreciate you coming
in and this has been absolutely fascinating. You are an
amazing guest, amazing wealth and knowledge on this topic, and
I definitely look forward to our next conversation. Hopefully we
have to have you back in the future. You have

(01:27:41):
the Ropen Network, you have podcasts and research and stuff.
Tell us about that and where we can find it.

Speaker 8 (01:27:48):
Sure, this is what complicates people a little bit, but
we are found mostly on CC Media here.

Speaker 9 (01:27:53):
In Oregon, that's where it all started.

Speaker 8 (01:27:55):
But you can find us on YouTube, you can find
us on Rumble, and you can also find us on podcasters.
Spotify is our sister station for all your audio alternatives.
So if you want a longer show, go listen to
us there, go into more depth. If you want something
that's condensed, we're on YouTube. We offer shows like that,

(01:28:15):
if structured like Unsolved Mysteries where we tell a story
then bring out the guest. So you might just see
Barnaby Jones on our shows here coming up. So yeah,
go and find us. I think you'll enjoy all of
our content and like I always tell everybody else, seek
the truth.

Speaker 7 (01:28:31):
Very cool man.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
Native tracker wants links. Links are in the show notes
to the Facebook page, the YouTube as well as the podcast,
so you can get all that in the show notes
right there easily.

Speaker 7 (01:28:43):
For YouTube, click.

Speaker 6 (01:28:44):
On either on Facebook or any of our podcast platforms
as well. So otherwise just search the open network. So
awesome man, I really appreciate your time. Thank you so
much for coming on being our guest today.

Speaker 8 (01:28:59):
Hey, it's been a pleasure. Thank you for allowing me
this opportunity to share with your audience. I know this
is a tough subject for a lot of people anytime
you mentioned living dinosaurs, but we need to keep an
open mind. I mean, there are so many other creatures
related to the field of cryptozoology.

Speaker 9 (01:29:15):
The ropin is the one we are studying.

Speaker 8 (01:29:16):
This is the one we're going after, and it's only
going to get even more exciting.

Speaker 9 (01:29:20):
For this network. Thank you so much for having us
on your show. Appreciate it absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:29:26):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:27):
Man, keep in touch, and if you guys have any
cool sightings or something coming up that you research or something,
shoot me a message. Love to have you back, any
cool evidence or anything. Otherwise, we'll be in touch.

Speaker 9 (01:29:37):
Man, take care, We'll do take care.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
Sir.

Speaker 7 (01:29:42):
Sorry cut him off.

Speaker 6 (01:29:43):
I'm sorry, all right, guys. Thank you guys so much
for tuning in. There's a lot of great comments and stuff.
I kind of had to pick what we were going
to do with her at the end, but definitely check
it out and go check out all of his other stuff,
his podcasts and YouTube channel, the rope and Network, our
O P E N Network, and that's that's it, guys,

(01:30:05):
so thank you so much for tuning in today. Make
sure you go check out all of his stuff, as
well as all things here on the Untold Radio Network
and Cryptid's Anomalies and the Paranormal Society. One last final
thing here, thank you so much to Moose's gear Goo review.
I hope that's right for being our brand new super

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Chats member, so we appreciate that. Thank you for your
support here of the Untold Radio Network. Thanks again, guys,
until next week and we'll see you on the edge.

Speaker 11 (01:30:39):
Take care to

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
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