Monsters on the Edge #136 SEMO Bigfoot Track Way with Guest Mike Scott

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Mike Scott, is a 60 year old high school teacher/coach/ and athletic director in Southeast Missouri. His initial interest in Bigfoot began when he was 12 when he checked out a book from the library on the subject. But all that was put on the back burner for years until the interest was resurrected with the cable TV shows popping up about 15 or so years ago.

He thought the shows were interesting, and did a little research on the subject at that time which led him to the BFRO website and database. With Missouri being listed a number of times, his interest peaked some more. But it wasn't until 2019 when he discovered a track way of footprints about 20 miles from his home in Cape Girardeau. At that point he was hooked and has conducted field work since, learning more and more each time he goes out.

He and his wife of 36 years have raised an athletic family as they have two grown kids now, a daughter (33) and a son (31), both had successful athletic careers which kept him out of the woods, and now they have one grandson and a granddaughter that will be here in a few weeks.

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(05:22):
recorded today. So my guest is Mike Scott. He is
a sixty year old high school teacher, coach, and athletic
director from southeast Missouri. His initial interest in bigfoot began
when he was twelve years old and checked out a
book from the library on the subject, but all that
was put on the back burner for years until his
interest was resurrected with the cable TV shows popping up

(05:45):
about fifteen years or so ago. He thought the shows
were interesting and did a little research on the subject
at the time, which led him to the bfroro's website
and database, with Missouri being listed a number of times.
Trist Pete some more, but it wasn't until twenty nineteen
when he discovered a trackway of footprints footprints about twenty

(06:07):
miles from his home in Cape Girardo. At this point
he was hooked and conducted fieldwork ever since, learning more
and more each time that he goes out. Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome the show. Mike Scott, Mike, thanks for being here.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Hey, welcome, Barnaby. I tell you it feels feels good
to be here and the Untold Network. Yeah, I kind
of feel like he's arrived a little bit. You know,
he's Untold, so that's that's cool.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
I'm glad to have you here, man. I'm excited to
talk to you. I know we've gotten to meet a
couple of times, and yes we have. I'd love to
pick your brain here because we've only got the chat
briefly at at some of the meetings and stuff that
I've done. I'm excited here. So let's let's start with
your first trackway, so you tell us what happened here, Well,

(06:58):
we're out to research specifically, or how did you find these?
We'll start with that.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Okay, Yet we were not I was not going out
to research specifically. My son, he had just recently finished
as a college athlete. He played baseball in college, and
from the time he was a kid, he and I
had a sports bond together playing ball, and when he

(07:27):
got done with his college baseball, we had a conversation,
he says. Daddy says, we've always had sports. We've always
had this, and now it's done. He says, we have
to have something we can keep a bond up. And
he says, you never took me hunting. He says, if
I got back into hunting and fishing and stuff like that,
would you do it with me. Yeah, that sounds great.

(07:49):
I'd love to do that with you. And so that's
kind of how it all started. Now, I grew up
as a kid doing stuff like that. But then we
never did it because we're always playing ball, you know,
every chance we get, you know, a couple of different sports,
and he's up focusing on baseball and this particular Sunday
in December of twenty nineteen. He was still living at

(08:13):
the time in Cape Girardo, where I live, and he
decided he was going to go do some squirrel hunting
and I chose not to go with him that particular time.
And when he got back at the house and he

(08:36):
was back on the back porch cleaning some squirrels, and
I asked him, you know, well, you got your couple,
you're cleaning some squirrels. Cool, And he says, Daddy says,
I saw something else up there that you might be
interested in. What's that? He says, some footprints? And I'm

(09:01):
still not there. I said, okay, what kind of footprints?
He says, big ones? Okay, big big what bigfoot? Are
you serious? It's got to be And I said, can
you find him now? He's oh yeah, because I could
take you back to him. I said, well, get these

(09:23):
things plain. We got to get up there and check
it out. And and it's just, you know, twenty minutes
from the house, and we get back up to this
conservation area and sure enough, we saw probably four to
five steps coming out of a wet area, and the

(09:46):
steps were seventeen and a half inches or the feet
were seventeen and a half inches long. You can see
the left foot, the right foot, the left foot, the
right foot, about five foot between steps, and you had
about five or six until you got on dry enough
ground where you couldn't really hardly tell anymore, but you
could clearly see that. And and then the strides. I mean,
we're both you know, about six five and wear size

(10:09):
fifteen shoes, and they swallowed our feet up with with
the shoes on, and we had to leap to match
the stride. And that just blew me away that what
you're dealing with here is something that big with that
type of stride, And and I'm like, this, this is

(10:34):
this is bigfoot. There's no other explanation for it. And
I believed, but I didn't believe it was right here,
you know. I went have thought that, and I'm like,
they're here, and and so he really wasn't too interested

(10:59):
and continuing to do any big footing. He is into
the hunting, But to me, it was like, I don't
care about anything else. I'm want to find out more
what's going on with bigfoot, because if they are here
and they've been here all this time, and nobody out
there knows about it, you know, because nobody's talking about it,

(11:21):
you know, you don't hear about it. I'm like, I
got to find out what's going on. And that just
that just drove my curiosity and my interest to to
go check out that area. And it wasn't too long
after that when COVID hit and they shut everything down.

(11:43):
You couldn't go anywhere and do anything. I thought, those
woods are open every day to go up and you know,
when the weather is good enough to go up and
check things out, and you go up there and new evidence,
different types of evidence, you know, all during the spring

(12:05):
of twenty twenty is incredible.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
I want to come back to that on the second here,
but we have the pictures from the trackway here, the casts,
and you want to tell us a little bit.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Well, my buddy, uh, my buddy, Steve Nabowski and I
had been going to some meetings with the Simbo Bigfoot
and Cryptic group with Susan, Susan Perez and I know
you know Susan, well, we're wonderful, wonderful, uh young lady.
And and and Steve was going to these meetings too,

(12:43):
and I called, I got a hold of Steve when
we were going back up there and trying to meet
us up there, and Steve cast these and that was
really my first experience. You can see them. You can
see the left and the right. These are from the
from the same uh squatch. I got a twelve inch
rouler in between that kind of kind of shows some
height on that on the picture we took and you know,

(13:07):
seventeen and a half I think eight at the whitest
spot up there on the feet, and so yeah, there
they are.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
That's that's awesome, man, I think you know. Okay, So
going back to the whole the COVID shutdown thing in
that I wonder because I've heard this recently somewhere else
that like a lot of the animals started coming out
of the forest wondering what happened to the people, you know,
when everything started to shut down. They're like, you know,

(13:41):
like where did everyone go? And I wondered, because I
talked to you just a little bit before we went
to record here about the Rhinelander stuff. You had said
that the footprints for you were, you know, the kind
of eye opening of their heart, right, And I had
a very similar instance up in Rhinelander, Wisconsin where we
had an incense with Bigfoot supposedly in the area, some

(14:04):
rock throwing, and then I discovered these footprints. And again
this was right in the spring of twenty twenty, and
it's like, it seems like right in twenty twenty the
beginning of that there's a lot of people discovering these
creatures and you know, maybe they got more bolder because
people stopped going out.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Well, the title your program is called Monsters on the Edge,
and these these guys lurk around the edges of society.
I mean, they're closer to us than a lot of
people think they are because that's where their grocery store is. Yeah, farmland,

(14:51):
you know, livestock or you know whatever it is that
they dumpsters, dumpster diving. You know that they and if
all of a sudden a lot of their activity shuts down.
M you know, they feed off of human activity and
that shuts down for them, that that's that's gonna get

(15:13):
them to, Yeah, start thinking outside the box. Perhaps.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, I think you hit your the mail on the
head there. I mean it is it is monsters on
the edge and there. I don't think a lot of
the people that don't do actual like boots on the
ground research realize how close these things are. Two of
the most like predominant cases that we've worked in Wisconsin
here are literally like across the street from urban development,

(15:41):
like right on the edge of town, or right across
the river from town, even down close to the Iowa
Wisconsin border. They were there right in town. People had
them in their backyards and stuff. And you know, you
can't have a sighting without people too, so it just
kind of makes sense.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Exactly. And I mean they get closed. I mean, I've
got I've had people just here in Cape Girardo town
of thirty five thousand people, which, of course we're the
largest city off Interstate fifty five between Saint Louis and Memphis,
so it's kind of a regional hub for all these
you know, small and and and I've got evidence of

(16:26):
Bigfoot activity within just within the outskirts of the Cape
girardl city limits as well.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
So wow, very interesting. All right, So let's let's get
into some of your research, because you've been doing this
for a few years now, You've you've had sightings and
and other encounters and stuff. So what what have you learned?
What have you discovered about these creatures? Right outside of
Cape Gerardo.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well, it's my opinion that they that they're cool with
us as long as we're cool, you know, as long
as we're cool with them. That I have not. I've
had several interactions up closed with even more than one,

(17:09):
and never had an aggressive encounter. Not to say people
haven't had aggressive encounters, but I have not. And they've
all been kind of kind of, you know, cool experiences
and very few times that I get to lay eyes
on on one, but the presence and the interactions, it's like,

(17:31):
you know, these guys are you know, they're curious about us,
they're kind of cool with us, and and and I
don't think you have to fear as much in their presence.
It's intimidating, especially early on if you experiencing them up

(17:52):
close for the first time. You know, I'd go up
there during COVID and hike and you know, I get
whooped at from thirty yards. Okay, it's time to walk
back to the car. And but then you go out
and do it again. And then after three or four

(18:14):
of those experiences, you're like, Okay, Okay, they're not They're
they're just doing that. They're not coming after me. I
don't think I have to go back to the car now.
I think I can just kind of, you know, so
you kind of grow into it.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
That's interesting. I do want to I want to go
back and talk about these the footprint trackway again. You know,
you mentioned you're over six foot, said your son was
quite large as well.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
And he's athletic, he was an NCAA Division I athlete,
and he's about sixty six. And where's the size fifteen
or so shoe? On top of that? And this is
you know, when you put your boot inside the seventeen
and a half footprint, you got to you got fifteen,
the science fifteen boot, and this thing is swallowing that

(19:02):
boot up. You know, so your first thought is is
a human making this? Well, no, that these feet are
just too big. And then you look at the stride length.
This thing is just you know, how tall do you

(19:22):
have to be to make this kind of stride because
it's six and a half. We're taking a leap to
get to the next print. And then you're sitting you're
guessing this thing's probably maybe eight to nine foot tall,
or you know, somewhere in that ballpark nine maybe or

(19:43):
and and and it's December, So people just aren't going
to be walking barefoot in December in the woods. And
you know in Missouri, definitely wouldn't do it. In Wisconsin.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah there down there at the time when you cast these.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
There, it was probably a probably a fifty something degree day.
That day was not when he's snow on the.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Ground this much. That's summer for Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
So yeah, yeah, we'll get about one good snow a year.
We'll get about one good snow a year. It seems
like everybody, you know, everybody it shuts every two inches
of snow and shuts the schools down for a week.
You know, it's Wisconsin. That's that's nothing.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
So yeah, but yeah, that's that was my point. You know,
like you're over six feet tall, and to say, okay, well,
if if somebody's out there hoaxing this or something, you know,
you can put on stompers or something and and and
make larger footprints indent. But to get that stride length,
it's just so so hard to do that. And I

(20:56):
think that's that's important to point out too, is you know, Yeah,
it's it's adds that point to the believability of all
this stuff.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
And the other thing And the other thing is if
you put on stoppers, Like if you went back and
look at the cast, I mean you can see the
outline of the you know, the heels and the and
the balls and the feet and the mid tarsal brakes
and all that stuff. You know, these are things if
you're cutting something out in wood and making a stopper,
you're not going to be able to do all that
stuff with it as well. And and that was you know,

(21:26):
you know, that's something there there. There's no there's nobody
out there hoaxing that. And and I you know when
I when I saw it, that's the last thing came
in mind. Somebody hoaxed these things, because I thought, what
do you have to gain by doing that?

Speaker 1 (21:41):
And and.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
And we you know, I've said I've been out there
enough in the past six years now, and you know,
I've had I've had two kinds of two Missouri Department
of Conservation agents of conversations acknowledged to me, as they
are out here, be careful and and you know, so

(22:06):
it's like even though the state doesn't take that stance
that they exist, you know, they know in the field.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
So you had mentioned that there were some aggressive stories
or something that you had heard from the area. Do
you know like the situation was surrounding that, Are they
like people out there hunting shooting at them or were
they just you know, hiking or what was the surrounding?

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Okay, what one particular story that comes to mind. And
and I live here in the city, and I've got
a I've got a swimming pool at my house. And
and the guy that helps service my pool, helps me
open it, helps me close it, and if I need
work done on it, he's my guy. And and he

(22:55):
does pools all over you know, three counties, And and
he came and this was this was this was probably
May of twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, maybe in
twenty twenty one. He's coming and he's opening my pool up,

(23:17):
and we're just having a conversation on a Saturday morning.
And he says, he's this you can't make this stuff up.
Part of he says, I had the strangest thing happened
to me, he says, the other night, Mike, he says, up,
he says, closing the pool up. He says, do you
know where the Apple Creek boat ramp is? Well, yeah, okay,

(23:41):
know exactly where it's at well, he goes, it's the farmhouse.
He says, just to the east of it that you know,
just butts up to that. He goes, they got a
pool and I was working. I was working on the
pump at dusk, and twenty yards from the pool is
the woods, and you know, he says, my good, something
started grunting and growling and shaking trees and busting branches

(24:05):
and just just he says, it was scaring me to death.
I didn't know what it was, but it was kind
of almost like it was telling him to leave. And
he says, I'm just sitting there thinking, I got this
little flashlight. I'm working on this pool pump. I don't
I don't have a gun on me, and I want

(24:27):
to get this job done and get out of here
as quick as I can, because this thing is just
it's running through the woods heavy. It seems like two
legs and and and you know all the the aggressive
behaviors that that you and I have heard of, you know,
since since then, he says, and I cannot He goes,
Mikey said, I'm not sleeping at night thinking about this.

(24:50):
He goes, do you have any idea what that may
have been. And this point, I'm loving this. At this
point I asked him, I said, did you talk to
the property owner? Yeah? He said it was probably big cats,
a big cat. I said, well, it does a big

(25:14):
cat shake trees like that? Does the big cat stomp around,
you know, heavy footed like that? You wouldn't know big
cat was there, because that's what I was thinking, that
that wasn't a big cat. I said, well, I said,
let me tell you what you dealt with. Said, he
dealt with a big foot. And he told me, he says,

(25:35):
if he goes, if I had not experienced that, had
I not experienced that, because I tell you, you're full
of you know what. Since I experienced that, he goes,
that might be what I did. You know that you
might be right, You might be onto something. And then
I went in to talk to him a little bit
about what I've been doing, you know, in that area,

(25:55):
and and it led me to some curiosity, led me
to to get on the Google Earth map and see
where that particular farm was compared to where the area
is that we research. Is there an area we haven't
hit or we haven't gone to. He had that kind
of activity, And I go to the map and lo

(26:18):
and behold, right there on the Google Earth from the
twenty twenty to twenty twenty two range, there is a
picture taken in February of a twelve foot tall maybe
a thirteen foot tall sasquatch standing next to a tree,
watching the house. And you see it right there, you know,

(26:39):
and it's like, you know, and I sat there and
I looked at it, and I looked at it, and
I'm like, I get the scale out. I'm like, no, well,
I go back to the topographical map at the same
as you know the Google Earth from the twenty eighteen
to twenty twenty range, it's not there, and then it's there,

(27:00):
and then if you go and then if you go
back and look at it now, it's not there anymore.
So as like ho, these smoke that things stands right
there and watches these people at their house just just
check things out, whatever the case is. And and and

(27:21):
that's what Johnny, my buddy, experience that night, and an
intimidation factor that you know, you are disrupting me from
doing what I want to do here. It didn't go
in and hurt him. Then they let him see it,
but maye him not want to come back, especially at dusk.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
So so go ahead, what do you think is going
on there? I mean, like, is it trying to come
down to the dock or the water or something to
eat or you know, why why is it bothering a
guy working on a pool?

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I don't know. That's that's the mystery of it. I don't,
I don't, I never you know, you can't tell because
there's nothing. There's no other reason because obviously the you know,
it doesn't seem like the homeowners have know that they're
out there, have problems with them or anything.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
Like that, or at least not admit it to the
pool guy.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
They're not admitted to the pool guy if they did so,
so it's tough to say. Now another story. We we
we start doing this stuff, and it's no fun to
do things on your own. So we get you find
some like minded buddies. Hey, let's go. You know, Steve
Dobowski is one of them. And I know you met

(28:46):
Steve and guy named Bill who has since moved to Oklahoma,
and he got in with us and and and started
meeting up with us and and June twenty twenty, he says, Okay, guys,
I'm gonna camp out there. I'm gonna be He's I'm

(29:08):
gonna camp these three days. Who's with me? Steve's like
not me. I'm like not me. I'm not camping out there.
These things were over. Well, I'm gonna do it. I
gotta find out what's going on. You know, if you
guys aren't uh checking, you'll camp out with me. And

(29:28):
he gets the dates and we're like, okay, well we'll
go out there and sit with him at night. Yeah,
hang out with him, but we're not staying tonight. But
the first night he was camping, we didn't we couldn't
make it out that we had things going on. And

(29:49):
he says, we'll go out the second night. Well there
was not a second night. Bill. Bill goes out. The
first night he's camping, he's all by himself, he's in
his tent, you know, it's midnight whatever, you know, and
here they come walking into the camp, probably a couple
of sasquatches. They're helping themselves, they're checking out things in

(30:11):
the back of his pickup truck, moving some things around,
and he knows they're out there, and he's starting to
get scared, and he didn't know what to do a
little bit more of what he'd brought. You know, he
kind of gave him a little humphump, you know, you know,
the little grunts outside the tent, and he got scared
and reacted by firing five rounds out of his forty

(30:32):
five up into the air. Pow pow pow pow powle
and they scattered out of the campsite. And what he
described is that just the whole area just broke out
of his screams and howlers from multiple bigfoots, just just

(30:56):
he goes. It lasted for about fifteen seconds, and then
they shut up. He says, I didn't hear sound the
rest of the night. I sat in the middle of
my tent holding my gun and just shivered, scared. And
as soon as the sun came up, I got everything
thrown in the back of the truck. That either And

(31:18):
in his mind, in his view, they they were aggressive
with him. We thought they were aggressive just the way
he described everything. Now I've learned since then they probably
weren't aggressive with you know, a grunt here and a
grunt there other. You know, people told me, oh no,

(31:39):
they're just saying hello, you know, they're just greeting you.
You know, when it's coming from something night foot tall.
And you know, and in my rational thinking that the
all the screaming and howling was they did that until
they found out that body was okay. Then they weren't shot.

(32:04):
You know, maybe may have been a big problem had
he shot one of them. And and then they thought, okay,
leave the did alone. You know, those are the those
are the rationales. And and then he says, I'm never
I'm never camping again. And then he came and camped again.
And after about the third or fourth time camping again,

(32:25):
I thought, you know what, he's still alive. Okay, I'll
camp with you. Then I started camping with you. And
that's how it kept me started in the overnight camping.
But but but those were incidents that were perceived, perceived
to be aggressive by the human although they didn't lay
hand on you know, they just did things from a distance.

(32:47):
And now Bill will tell you to this day though
he was aggressive. I said, well, I don't know if
you really you perceived him to be that. But but anyway,
those are some things that we have dealt with. And
a couple couple of stories that were, you know, kind

(33:09):
of along those lines.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
So where he went out camping. Had had that been
like an established campsite already or was he just kind
of going out there and roughing it.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
It's a primitive it's a primitive campsite in the conservation area.
I mean, they're just an area to gravel a lot lane,
to pull your vehicle up, pitch a tent, got a
fire pit, and that's it. No luck, you'll know. So
it's a primitive area. Very few people camp of in
those areas, unless maybe during the hunting seasons, like the
deer seasons and stuff like that. But so we kind

(33:43):
of it's public, so we kind of use it. We
don't have to worry about trespassing on people's property or
anything like that. And they're out there, so it's a
good place to observe and research.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
So no, no, I was curious because you know, if
you're if you're going out to a spot and just
kind of pitching a tent in the middle of the
woods or something, you know, they're going to be more
curious to come in and go, hey, you know this
this isn't something normal, what's going on here? And kind
of come in. But if you're at an established you know,
even a primitive campsite. You know, well, people usually are here,

(34:18):
maybe we'll leave them alone.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
So it's kind of exactly. But in this particular case,
he was not left alone. Now, now I had another
gentleman who just this is just recent by the way,
he had seen me on I did Jeremiah Byron Show
here well back and and the and he heard me

(34:45):
on that and somebody I knew from from the kids
growing up and playing ball together and against each other
and stuff like that. We weren't great, we knew each other.
And he reached out to me. He says, hey, remember me,
He said, I heard you on this podcast. I didn't

(35:05):
know you were doing this stuff. He said, I had
a sighting back in twenty sixteen when I was deer hunting.
You know, I'd like to I'd like to talk with you.
So we got together over the summer. We talked, and
he's telling his way. He is deer hunting in the
county next door to Cape Toronto County, the county that

(35:27):
I work in at the school, different school district area.
But he had a siding while deer hunting. He'd been
hunting for fifteen sixteen years. The same spot, the same
property has a bigfoot sighting. He has not been hunting since,
didn't want to have anything to do with it, you know,
And he said, I want to get back into it.

(35:50):
So I took him out. We met, went out one
day over the summer and did a little hiking Scotland
around during today time and end up casting another little
print saw a smaller one than good casting prints. I
does cast it. And then we had a camp out

(36:15):
Labor Day weekend. We have the same area camped out,
had a weekend camp out, had great activity, grizzly Chris
uh come up with me and Uh. Miguel lets Sasquatch
theory come out on Sunday and did some filming and
stuff like that. And Miguel, Miguel missed all the good
stuff on Saturday night though, and where we had all

(36:39):
the activity. And but Miguel put some stuff out on
one of his one of his programs, and and this
guy catches that and he says to me, he said,
oh man, he says, you should have let me know.
He's I'd love to come down there and camp with you.
He says, next time you do that, let me know. Okay,
I'm sorry, Okay, we'll do that. And then two weeks later,

(37:00):
this is in September. Two weeks later, he sends me
a text me a picture. He's got his tent pitched
up the same spot, he's ready to camp. He's up there,
he's by himself, and and he says, hey, well, i'm working.
I said, I can't get up there. I said, I'm working.
I said, well, I said, maybe if you're still doing

(37:23):
it on Thursday, I'd get up there for a couple
hours and catch you Thursday night. I said, let me
know how it goes. And I don't hear from him.
I don't hear from him. I don't hear from him,
you know, A few days ago by, So finally I
sent him a Texas Hey. I said how I said,
how'd you? I never heard about your camp? And how'd
that go? He says? He says why? He says, about midnight,

(37:46):
I packed up and left, came back the next day
and got my tent and everything together, my stuff up,
and left. I said, what I said, tell me about it. Well,
let's just say I kind of feared for my life
a little bit. So I still don't have the whole

(38:07):
story on that, but I thought that's interesting. So maybe barnaby.
Maybe when you're by yourself, they come in and might
get a little more intimidating to one individual. I don't know,
but we've had him come in when it's been a

(38:28):
couple We've had him come in and mess around a
little bit and have some vocal interactions and things like
that and kind of feel kind of cool about it.
Including one night we had one standing right outside the
tent door, right outside the tent and and gives you know,
he goes humh gives the hump, and then he walks off,

(38:52):
and you're thinking of everything. You're thinking about, should I
open the door, should I unzip the zipper? How will
it react if I unzipped the zipper, you know, and
you start thinking about all the possibilities there, So what
do you don't unzip the zipper? Right? And then after

(39:14):
he walks off, you think I should have unzipped a zipper.
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
I mean, that's that's a tough place to be it.
I mean, I've told the story on here before. I
had this one encounter. Me and Craig Sulk. We were
on the back of his property and we're standing there
and something is walking through the woods, just beyond this
little there's a big clearing where the cars turn around,
and then there's about like ten feet of tree and

(39:46):
then there's a big open area where he was hunting
and stuff. And this thing was walking through there and
you could feel it step, shake the ground, step shake
the ground.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
And it was right there, you know, like.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Maybe less than one hundred feet away from And if
I would have walked over to this little opening, I
probably could have seen it or got it on thermal
or whatever. And I was so just waiting for what
was gonna happen next. Is it gonna come this way?
Can you run off? And it never crossed my mind
to move, because if I ran towards it, it's gonna leave.

(40:19):
If you know it's gonna come out and kill me,
it's gonna do it, you know. Yeah, it's there's there's
nothing you can do, so you might as well just
stand there and let whatever's gonna happen happen. And that's
that's all we got.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
So yeah, and I'm sitting there telling myself, say something
to it, Talk to it, say something to it, because
because I'm okay to do that when they're thirty yards
in the tree line. But it was literally five feet
from me, you know, standing on the other side of
a little thin piece of canvas nyline or whatever the
tent was made out of. And I'm like, talk to it,

(40:53):
say something to it. He's there, he's breathing. I mean,
you can hear you walk up to it. He's crunching
the gravel, coming across the gravel portion of the park
a lot, and then he comes. We had a little
tarp out in front of the tent because it had
been raining. Steps right on top of the tarp. You
hear the steps. I mean, he's right there and he's breathing.
You can hear him breathing. See the silouette Bill, my
buddy Bill, the one that fired off the rounds that

(41:16):
one night, he's snoring, he's he's sleeping and storing away.
He's not even awake. And we had another guy in
the tent with us, one of Bill's buddies, who was
a skeptic, and he was just like he was on edge,
you know, and and it's like but then you just

(41:39):
kind of freeze up and you just kind of let him,
and then he walks off, and then you're like, why
didn't I say something? Why didn't I n zip to
zip or why didn't I do that stuff?

Speaker 1 (41:47):
And but.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
So do you put out like audio recorders or cameras
or anything at night when you're you're camping out.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
There, I personally do not. I've been with you know,
Steve does the audio recorders a lot. We get some,
but sometimes we get the good stuff on audio. And
sometimes it's like we'll sit there, you know, you put
that thing out, you set the timer, and you get
the time stamps. You hear that, you hear the audio,
and you and you, you, and then Stevens sometimes go

(42:19):
back and check those audio recorders and all of a sudden,
on the time stamps is a it's a it'll pick
up every coyote and cricket and everything else, and on
the time stamps, it's like nothing, just the what's up
with that? Yeah, it's it is. So I personally, I

(42:45):
personally do it for me. I really don't do it
for all that stuff. And but we do. We we did.
We did the cam the cameras early on, and they
seem to be more of a deterrent and we decided
let's just ditch the cameras and just go for our

(43:07):
own personal interactions, and we started getting closer interactions without
the cameras and and so we'd rather have the interactions.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
So have you done any like kind of gifting or
anything out in that area.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
I did a year long gifting program. Not not there. Well,
interesting now, Bill, we go out there because we don't
camp often enough out there to really be consistent with it.
But would always he'd break the apples, he'd bring it,
put out. He put out twenty apples, and then when

(43:45):
the weekend was over, ten would be taken, ten would
be left. He put out twenty four apples, twelve would
be taken, twelve would be left, and then we'd we'd
we'd pack up and leave, and then we'd go out
a couple of days later and all the rest of

(44:05):
the apples are gone. Then you know, like, well, we'll
share the apples with you, and then when we leave
and leave them. Okay, I guess there are you know? Well,
I had a I had a one of the conservation agents.
He sends me a text. He says, hey, he says,

(44:28):
you guys camping over the weekend. Yep, Well I'm gonna
it's getting close to deer season, so start taking your apples.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
With you.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
When you leave, and don't leave them because you could
be baiting for deer. I said, oh, well we weren't.
I didn't think about that. But we're not hunting deer. No,
but others are. And if there's a deer ca when
you get and you're the one doing the baiting, he says,
you know, he said, just no problem. Said to him,

(45:09):
I said, okay, So so it's okay to bait for sasquatch,
we just can't bait for deer. He goes, nobody something
sasquatch cool, so but so. But I did a There's
a family over a couple of counties over in Madison
County and right there at the edge of the Mark

(45:29):
twenty National Forest and the Ozarks over there about an
hour a little over an hour drive that I got
hooked up with and befriended that you know, they got
a little farm and they've got a family of sasquatches
on their farm, and they let me do a we

(45:53):
did a year long gifting project just just for I
will to do it for research purposes. And they were
they were dealing with them, and they had a cordial
relationship with the sasquatches on the farm. So we got
a bucket and we put it up there at the

(46:13):
edge of the woods, away from the house and so forth.
And and and I would go about every couple of weeks,
I'd get over there, and I'd fill it up with
apples and jar peanut butter. And they like those little
sweet and salty granola bars and and just just things
like that put in the bucket. And so here are
the things I learned from that is number one. Once

(46:36):
they established it's their bucket, the raccoons, the possums, the squirrels,
everything leaves the bucket alone. Yeah, And and they'd take
their they'd take their wrappers off to granola and eat
their sweet and salty bars, and then they'd stick their

(47:00):
rapper in the nearby tree branches. So when you went
back up there, you retrieve your rappers and put them
in the trash. They're not they're not littered all over
the forest. They would take the jar peanut butter back
to where they stay, sleep or whatever, and then when

(47:23):
the peanut butter was done, they'd bring the jar back
to the bucket, take the lit off. You know, you know,
they did all that themselves. So so those are things
you learned, you kind of learned behaviors, you know, higher
levels of thinking and and and and stuff like that.
And then they would leave little glyphs, and I said,

(47:46):
you some you know, like like like some of the glyphs,
they would leave the the that that there is. You
see the letter A that was that was but right
there by that bucket. What does it mean? You can
only speculate maybe the alphabet or the klan put that
there for himself. I'm the alpha man here, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
And and.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
That was left there. The other one was a human
stick figure. And if you look at that, it's kind
of upside you see the rock represents the head. And
they didn't like the orange, so they stuck the orange
on that. And then then you see the sticks, the
stick going down, the legs, the stick going up and
then going up for arms, like a human stick figure

(48:33):
there left there. It's kind of and it's kind of like,
you know, maybe they're showing like a connection to us.
We've got a connection with you guys. I thought those
things were cool that they that they were come and
they and usually like in the bucket, you know, I'd
kind of put an X or I'd kind of set
a few things down next to the bucket myself. Then

(48:55):
they do their artwork and so it's kind of cool.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Yeah. I was looking at that picture and I was like,
I don't I don't know what you see here, And
then I didn't realize that the rock was part of
it and it was upside. Now now I see it, yeah, now,
yeah cool.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
It's like it's like yeah, yeah, and it's like you
walk up, you know, every couple get there a couple
of years. You walk up and like yeah, and usually
the farm the farm owner he knew it was hey,
you got to come see when he left us his time, so.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
You had like, uh, the farm owners and stuff there
as well. But when you were out there gifting, it
was just you that would go out to the spot
and come back.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
No.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
No, usually usually one of the farm owners would come
out there with me just because we'd talk and walk
and stuff like that. But they would not regift the
bucket during the wait, you know, during the two weeks,
they'd just leave it and then and then when we
went back we'd fill it up and things like that
and talk about things that are going on. And then
finally we did for a year in twenty twenty three.

(50:04):
Was it twenty twenty three? We did that for a year,
twenty twenty three, and you know, twenty twenty three, the
the dad of the group, let me see him and
got a good look at him, and we looked at
each other for about, oh, I guess, about fifteen seconds
or so. We're about thirty yards and he was there

(50:26):
a bit a ten foot tall, and the last thing
he did was he'd gave me a head nod. He
noted his head at me, which is communication. He nodded
his head at me, and he turned around and me
entered back off into the woods two three steps. I
couldn't see anymore.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
So well, the reason I asked that was like, there's
one stick figure there. So I was thinking that there's
if there's two of you going out there, you know,
was there two stick figures or if it was just
you going out to always kill the bucket, then there'd
only be one, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Well, I think maybe they're acknowledging because because they probably
have they have eyes on, they know who's filling the
bucket who's not. And they they they did that again,
and I run into Jim, the head of that household

(51:20):
on that farm, and he has next to the south,
he's got a metal tool shed and they recently left
him a stick figure human stick figure on that tool
shed or or you know, to the family. And he
showed a picture to me and and that was just
that wasn't too long ago. So it's kind of a
similar concept.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
M So maybe they're wondering what happened to you while
you're not filling the bucket anymore.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Well, they might be because I they they've got they've
got a little farm and farmers market stuff and stuff
like that, a little family farm and there, and their
business is just boomed. So they don't have as much
time to play with me anymore, although they say, you
come out anytime you want to. And I kind of

(52:06):
accomplished what I wanted to accomplish during that time. Now
now they'll they've got like they've got a poultry pin. Okay,
they got a poultry pin, and the hens are laying
the eggs and sasquatch will co and he will open
the gate, go into the poultry pin, help himself to eggs,

(52:31):
you know, take a portion of the eggs back to
the family or whatever it was. Close the poultry pin.
They don't lose any poultry. No poultry is getting eaten
or taken or anything like that. And they take the
eggs as a portion of the eggs and they still
got plenty of eggs to sell it their farmers markets
or whatever the case is. But he'll do that. How

(52:52):
do we know he does that because we see the
footprints and we see some eggs gone, you know, and
and they're opening and closing the gate and no and
none of the none of the chickens or turkeys or
anything they're getting out. So yeah, and that's interesting because
because and they're not taking the the chickens or the turkeys,

(53:16):
because again they've got a relationship with these people. You know,
they'll go into the greenhouse and they'll and they'll grab
some tomatoes, but they don't grab all the tomatoes.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
So interesting. Well, we are coming up here on the
end of the show. Here, I want to remind everyone
that this episode is pre recorded, so if we're ignoring
questions or comments, I apologize. We're just not in the
studio here with you today. We are recording this prior
to the airing. But uh, we got one one other
interesting photo here, the orb one. But I thought that

(53:51):
we could oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
And I'll say this, barnaby. If they a bunch of
people have questions, bring me back, go on, we'll address them.
So but.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Yeah, yeah, So you want to talk about the orb picture?

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Yeah, yeah, I'll talk about that picture. And if I
got time, then I'll talk about one more thing. But
if I don't have time, say it later. But go
ahead and put what you're gonna put the picture up?
Or are you wanna do there? Okay? So if you
look at that picture, you see the green orb. And
then as you look at the green orb, okay, you'll
follow follow it up. You kind of see a right arm.

(54:29):
You go up to the right arm, and then as
you go up to the top you see what might
be surmise in a nose and a forehead right in
that area, conical head that and my opinion is a
sasquatch that when we went back into the remagements is
about nine foot tall holding that green orb. Now, Susan

(54:56):
we talked about Susan. Susan's daughter in law took that picture.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
This was.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
This was January of twenty four. January twenty fourth, Susan
had her son and daughter in law in from California
and Susan's like, hey, you know, do you think you
and Matt can take us up? They want to go
up there and look around, blah blah blah. And it
was wintertime, it was cold, and we're not seeing anything,

(55:27):
we're not hearing anything. It's all a total dud as
far as that's concerned. But Susan's daughter in law is
a school teacher, and she thought she takes the beautiful
pictures of the sunset to show on some of the
powerpoints and the lessons she does and stuff like that,
and she takes this picture and in this picture, we

(55:48):
didn't even notice the orb at the time. You know,
we're talking, we're carrying on, we're cutting up. And when
they get when Susan's daughter in law gets the picture
back home and they look at it, they see the
orb in the picture. And then when they start blowing
it up, they see that he was forty yards from us,

(56:08):
and we had no idea he was there.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
And and.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
And and that's you know. And then when you get
in there and start looking at that thing, like, oh
my goodness, look at that. But that's how stealthy they are,
that's how cammelled they are. They'd be right there and
you don't even know it. And I you know, I
used I would was one the first couple of years
in and stuff, I thought, all that orbs, that's hocus

(56:38):
pokus stuff and everything like that. But my but here,
in the last couple of years, I've seen a lot
of orbs associated with sasquatch activity. Can't explain it, but
I know I've seen it.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
I was just gonna say, so, what what do you
think of that? What what is your opinion on the
whole orb sasquatch thing.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
I don't know. I just know there's some kind of
correlation because because I've seen them. I've seen them in green,
I've seen them in oranges, and i've seen them in
like light bulb color and always with uh, some type
of sasquatch relation nearby when with with the orbs. And

(57:17):
I don't, yeah, I don't. I don't know. Just scratching
the surface on that one. But there is something going on,
so and and and and the other thing I wanted
to say.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I did.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Take a group of students out, a group of my
students out on on a field trip, school sponsored field
trip to look for evidence, and we found evidence. We
found footprints. We cast a footprint, seventeen inch footprint, and
and the had the girl that graduated that year just

(58:02):
two years ago, Valdatorian to the school. She came. She
approached me, she says, some of us would like you
to do something for us before we graduate, and we'd
like you to take us out show us your big
foot stuff because we want to believe you. Well, that's okay,

(58:24):
put your money where your mouth is, right. So we
took a school sponsor eleven kids, took them out there
in a school sponsored field trip, showed them how to
find footprints, track footprints. We found four or five different
sizes of footprints that day, and then we saw one
perfect for casting, about seventeen inches long and nine wide,

(58:45):
and put a plaster cast. I had the kids mix
the stuff up and put it down. And I've taken
a couple of smaller groups out sense and and and
plan on taking another one out here, probably sometime this winter.

(59:06):
So just yeah, hopefully we get some you know in
these schedule going away thinking okay, wow, there is there
is something to do this.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
So you seem to have quite a bit of luck
with with footprints and stuff out there. Do you think
that there's well, how many of them do you think
are in this area, like one family unit or more
than one or.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
What in this conservation area? There's there's you know, here's
the thing part of me. We've seen every inch increment
from eight inches to twenty four inches twenty four. That's
that's the biggest we've seen twenty four. And we've seen
it a number of times. We've seen them as small
as eight. And then you can and you can gauge

(59:55):
like a like a thirteen inch foot is going to
have about a four inch four foot stride length. Ye a.
The sixteen to eighteen inch foot prints that have the
five foot stride length of twenty to twenty four we
have a six foot stride length. So because we've we've
seen that gone up and tracked them in the snow.

(01:00:17):
I've followed the snow track over one hundred yards one day.
The only reason I didn't keep going because I went
down a steep ravine and I didn't want to have
to climb out of it. But the and and but
but so if you've got all these different sizes of
sasquatches up there making these different prints, there there's a

(01:00:38):
there's a bunch of them. There's a there's a maybe
a couple, you know, big old clan couple families. They
just kind of wrote, you know, a lot more than
people think.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
So what makes that area, aside from being protected wildlife
National Forest or something like that, what makes that area
so special? Is there like a lot of you know,
You're you're right on the Mississippi River, the Mississippi River.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
You got a nice sized creek that flows into it,
and you got the woods to cover the deer, the turkeys,
the nearby farms and things like that that would that
would supply it, you know meals So.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
You don't I mean, like, like you said, you're you're
the only city pretty much major city along that route
between Saint Louis and WII Tennessee Memphis City State. Yeah, so,
I mean it's not like it's not like they don't
have anywhere else that they could be.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
You know, Well, the thing is that you go right across,
you go directly across the Mississippi River is where the
Big Muddy River in Illinois flows into the Mississippi. And
everybody's heard of the Big Muddy Monster. M Yeah, you
and I were at their festival back in June and
you were on display. Now it is present. But the

(01:02:02):
but but that's that's so over there in Shawnee National
Forest in Illinois, southern Illinois, Big Muddy River, a bunch
of Sasquatches mhm over here. And some people say, well,
do they swim the river to go from here to there?
They might, But I just think there's some over here
and some over here more logical, and and then and

(01:02:29):
then there's some over in the next county, and there's
some up you know. I just think you've got the
different clans, whatever you want to call them. They're they're
they're gonna to quote your bass Doug Hijack, whoever runs
the Untold Network, to quote him, they're gonna be where

(01:02:53):
the grocery store is. That's what he told me one day.
That's where they're gonna be. So so and they're all
over the place. You know. They got that Bigfoot mapping
project and all that stuff, the waterways and everything, and
they're they're they're just they're more out there than we
could ever imagine.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
Absolutely. All right, man, well we are. We're at the
top of the hour here. So I want to thank
you for coming on and tell everybody we got in
the show notes. Here we have the link to the
Southeast Missouri Cryptid and Bigfoot Research Facebook, which you and
Susan are a part of. Susan has been on my
show in the past. If anybody wants to go look

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up Susan Perez. She was on the show maybe a
year ago or something.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Wonderful lady.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Absolutely, really good interview there, So definitely check that out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
But uh, if you appreciate you appreciate you having me.
It's been it's been a blast to sitting there talking
about this stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Absolutely. If people want to get a hold of you,
if they got any sightings or anything in the area,
how do people reach out to you?

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Send me an email of Understanding Bigfoot dot Com. I
used to have my own podcast called Understanding Bigfoot. Understanding
Bigfoot dot Com. I just I just it's it's easier
to go on you guys's podcast that you guys do
all the production work. So thanks, Yeah, Understanding Bigfoot dot Com.

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So me email.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
So sounds good. I appreciate your time, I appreciate all
your research and looking forward to coming down and hanging
out with you guys again real soon.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
It'd be awesome. Barnaby, thank you much.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Absolutely take care Man'll peckular all right, guys, that is
our show for this week. Head on over to the
show notes and check out the link to the Southeast
Missouri Simo, Bigfoot and Cryptid Research Group on Facebook. Awesome
people down there. I've got to go down and hang
out with them on a couple occasions and go bigfooting

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on one of the members properties as well down there,
so awesome group of people. Make sure you go check
out all the evidence and stuff if you're down in
Missouri or southeast southwes Illinois as well, all in that area.
So until next time, guys, check it out and make
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for Cryptids, Anomalies and the Paranormal Society. Until next time, guys,
see you on the edge.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
To do more more