Monsters on the Edge #138 Mysterious Wilderness Cryptids with Daniel Becker

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All kinds of fun stuff coming up here for twenty
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My guest out today's show is Danielle Becker. He is
originally from Newark, Ohio and currently residing in Anchorage, a Last.
He is a cryptid researcher and the host of the
show Cryptid Wilderness Research podcast with Matt Sleader. He is
also the founder of Crypted Wilderness Research Network, which links

(07:12):
together researchers for investigation cooperation. Together with his partners William
Lunsford and Stephen Hill in Arkansas, they explored the world
of Bigfoot, dog Man and other cryptid mysteries. Daniel has
spoken at the Nebraska Bigfoot Conference in Grand Island, Nebraska,
as well as the Anchorage Museum in Anchorage, Alaska, and

(07:32):
now he joins us live in studio. Please welcome Daniel Becker. Daniel,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
Hi, great to see you, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Awesome good to have you.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
You come very highly recommended from William Lunsford, so he
spoke very highly of you when he came on our show,
so I want to reach out and have you on
my show.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
Well, thank you. I appreciate William Lunsford is a troublemaker.
Just like to say that right off the bat. He is.
William Lunsford is one of the people that I consider
a field general in the area of cryptid research.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
He's a very wealth of knowledge, so very good to
have him on as well.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
So awesome.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Well, what got you interested in all this cryptid stuff
in your podcast and investigating?

Speaker 6 (08:26):
Well, like so many others in this field, I was
inspired at a very young age by watching the reruns
of In Search of and you know, it's a story
you've heard lots of times before, but from other researchers,
of seeing the Patterson Gemlin film on those reruns. And
so when I saw that as a kid, I was

(08:47):
immediately intrigued, and I started asking questions, and and I thought,
you know, who better to ask a question to than grandma.
You know, Grandma's always got great stories. So I asked,
my grandma, have you ever heard a bigfoot of? You know,
I saw it on TV? And and my grandma was
raised way way way back in the hollers in Kentucky,

(09:09):
just across the Ohio River, and she told me a
story about a bigfoot that that was active near her
home out in the country and would come into people's
gardens and steal vegetables. And later on in life, I

(09:30):
had an opportunity to go back there in the holler,
as they say, and actually see the area that she
was talking about, and you know, her old home was there.
Of course, it was abandoned, and this place was way
way way back in the hills. And like I said,
she had told me a story about a bigfoot that

(09:51):
had come in there and would steal vegetables from their
garden and also the neighbors. And once she told me
that story, I was I was all in.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Very cool.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
We actually had an encounter in southern Wisconsin and the
lady said that they were coming down and stealing vegetables
and then they would throw them from the top of
the hill down at.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
Her while she was in the garden.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
So very very a lot of garden stealing going on,
I guess.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Interesting.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
Yeah, it was. It was really fascinating. And when I
finally got to go out to that area and see
where it all happened, even as a kid, you know
it was it was far more isolated back in the
hills than I imagined. I thought it would just be
like a town like you know, where I was from.

(10:41):
But and I had never seen a place so isolated
back in so far back as where they have little
family cemeteries long since forgotten by time. You know, places
a place like that, you know, wow.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
So she did she have any other like vocals or
anything else that she had heard, or just the stealing
of the vegetables.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
She did tell me that they would hear strange noises
coming from the woods at night, but that's pretty much
all I was able to get her to talk about
was the story about the vegetables and the strange noises
that would come in. And it wasn't hard to hard
to envision once I got out there and got to
see the area for myself.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
That's really cool that you got to actually go back
and see it. A lot of times, you know, you
hear these stories and growing up in that and you
just have this, like like you said, in vision of
you know, on the edge of town or something where
you think that the story took place, and adding that
extra element of being able to see the real location
and going there adds so much more to these stories.

(11:49):
And able to visualize the actual what happened and the
behavior and stuff of these creatures, it helps to understand
a lot of that.

Speaker 6 (11:59):
Yeah, and that story I started, of course. You know,
you go to the school library next and you start
looking for every book you can find about Bigfoot, and
there I think I found one in the school library,
but it really wasn't anything of substance, but I started.

(12:22):
You know, I'll go back to the first experience in
the woods as a kid. I remember is being in
the Cub Scouts and going to a place we called
Camp Falling Rock. And out of Camp Falling Rock, I
was at the opportunity to go on on trails through
the woods and things, and and all the other kids were,

(12:43):
you know, looking at the trees and you know, et cetera.
But I was secretly looking for bigfoot tracks while we
were out there.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
Now, you you grew up in Ohio, right, like all
that was in Ohio.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
Yeah, I am originally from a town called Newark, Ohio,
and you know, Newark, Ohio will always be home, no
matter how many years it's been. But I actually had
to go to high school in the Detroit area, so
I kind of went jumped back and forth and from
Ohio to Michigan. In my explorations, I was gonna say, Ohio,

(13:20):
you know, growing up there, you got so much bigfoot activity.
I mean, like I would I would think it's like
one of the top I think five states for bigfoot sightings.
I'm not it actually is. And when I got older
and I started diving into the academics of it, I
was very surprised to find out that Ohio was right
up there in the top for sightings. And that's when

(13:42):
I discovered places like Salt Fork and and other areas.
So I was I was surprised to discover that Ohio
was so was so high up there on the.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
List when you were going up to Detroit and stuff
like that, Were you obviously into these cryptids and stuff
at that time? You know, there's a lot of like
dog man stuff up in that area of Michigan. Were
you interested in that as well? Or when did that
kind of trickle in?

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Not so much where I was in Michigan because I
was in city, you know, and so there wasn't a
lot I could do there. And at the time I
had never heard of dog man and but I found
out later that Michigan is a big state for for
dog man sightings. And I wasn't really sold on the

(14:35):
on the dog man phenomenon until going out in the
research area down in Arkansas with my partners down there,
William Lunsford and Steven Hill, and they had found tracks
and they had our game cameras down there. Let me
jump into Arkansas. So the research area down there is

(14:59):
called Ground zero. That's that's what we call it. And
I also called this place the Amazon of America because
the woods are so thick that you could literally step
in their five feet and vanish. So it doesn't take
long to realize that, you know, there could be anything
in those woods. Now, I wasn't really sold on the
dog Man phenomenon until I started going out more in

(15:22):
Arkansas with my partners down there, and they had had
captured images on game cameras and and found tracks and
and actually had you know, first hand accounts, and they
were really the ones that that sold me on that, hey,
dog Man actually exists, you know, because I kind of

(15:43):
just brushed it off. I'd heard about it, brushed it
off in the past. But but that's really where the
dog Man things started setting in with me, is seeing
the evidence down there. And you know, William and I
spoke at the Nebraska big Foot Conference this past April,
and I was surprised that quite a few audience members

(16:06):
had questions about dog Man. It seems to be popping
up a lot more on the on the cryptid map
as of late, and I was actually summer before last.
Sometimes I put the logo of our podcast, I have
an auto magnet, and sometimes I put it on the
door when I'm out doing stuff. And I was sitting
at a stoplight here in Anchorage and there was a

(16:27):
truck next to me, and the people in the truck
next to me yelled out, hey, have you ever heard
about dog man sightings in Michigan? I guess they were
from Michigan. And obviously where I have stoplight, we didn't
get a chance to really interact a lot, but I said,
actually yes, and they're like, have you ever seen one?
I say, no, I have not seen one, but I
have talked to people who have. So this dog man

(16:48):
phenomena seems to be coming up a lot more as
of weight. Have you noticed that?

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
I try and bring more guests on because like it
seems like the amount of bigfoot researchers is off the chart,
Like if you throw your pin on Facebook, you can
find those pretty easily. But there's there's not so many
people that focus in on, you know, the dog man phenomenon.
But even so, the dog man is you know, if
there's one hundred bigfoot researchers, there's probably fifty of them

(17:17):
that are into the dog man stuff. And then when
you get to the other stuff like the lake monsters
and other weirder stuff, and that it drops off very
substantially off of that as well. But there's more and
more people having dog man sightings coming forward, and I
think it's, you know, like with Bigfoot being more and
more acceptable to talk about, it seems like since that

(17:41):
has fallen way down that now the dog man stuff is, well,
if we can talk about Bigfoot, there's another thing that
I you know, saw in the woods, and we're starting
to get more and more of those sightings come forward.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
So, yeah, excellent point. Excellent point. And where you are
in the Midwest, obviously you're just a hop, skip and
a jump from Michigan, and they're also up near the
up of Michigan there in Wisconsin. Are you hearing more
stories from that particular area.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Not necessarily from Michigan, but we you know, we have
the Beast of Bray Road here in Wisconsin, down in Elcorn,
and we get quite a few sightings around the horror
Con Marsh area, which is kind of middle lower of
the state and then down in the lower part of
the state. But most of the stuff that we get
for dog man is kind of like a little cross

(18:38):
across the bottom of that area of the southern area,
but a few up north, but not too much. It's
all kind of central centralized in one area of our
state for as far as where I'm getting reports and
stuff from.

Speaker 6 (18:51):
But interesting, our game cameras in Arkansas have picked up
things that we just can't expec lane but have canine
like features to it. And we've sound We've found some
pretty big canine like tracks there as well. And with

(19:11):
with our game cameras down there, you know, we've got
them on trees, yes, but we've got them hidden in
brush piles. We've got them hidden all over the place.
And cameras that are are cross you know, cross gritting.
And you know, the the the bigfoot are creative and
you have to be creative too, and actually the cryptids

(19:33):
are creative. You have to be be creative too. So
you know, we're very strategic in how we place our
game cameras. And you know a lot of people who
are not familiar with bigfoot research think that, you know,
you're just putting the game cameras back on the tree
and et cetera. No, no, no, you know, you've got
to be creative about it. If you're gonna if you're
gonna get anything.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
One of the best things that some researchers have come
on to the show and talked about is putting game
cameras buy a river's edge or even out like right
in the middle of the river, because you have so
much stuff going on there. You have the sound of
the river could mask the sound of potentially you know
what these creatures are hearing. With the game cameras, you

(20:15):
have the smell of the river and the changing things
like that that mask the smell of these things being
human in the area, and you have everything needs water,
so you have a massive amount of animals and creatures
and stuff that are coming down to the water. So
I think that the best place, you know, look at
look at you know, past research, the Patterson Gimlin footage

(20:36):
and a lot of the other footage that seems legitimate
has been captured either right on a river or right
by the river banks and stuff. So it makes a
lot of sense that you're able to kind of sneak
up and get a get a jump on these things
using the rivers and streams and stuff that make a
lot of noise and have movement as kind of a
way to camouflage.

Speaker 6 (20:59):
Yeah, putting game cameras and hiding game cameras near water
sources fantastic idea. You know, goes all the way back
to the legend of Buggy Creek and that they follow
the waterways, you know. So absolutely fantastic idea. And like
I said, you got to be creative about it, got
to be creative about it. Are actually my favorite game
camera that we have is actually inside of a tree,

(21:20):
you know. And if you we actually have a little
video on TikTok of this where William is actually demonstrating
how he changes out the SD card. But I think
that's my favorite one, you know. But some of our
cameras are, like like I said, in brush piles, you know.
And one of the things about the Arkansas research is

(21:40):
there are snakes and rattlesnakes, copper heads. Our area is
just infested with snakes. And so I'm not too keen
about reaching my hand in a brush pile, and so
I leave that up to my partner. Experts who grew
up there know how to deal with snakes, and they

(22:02):
know how to how to manipulate that brush and get
those cameras out of there.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, I would not be too keen reaching into that
pile either. Luckily, Wisconsin doesn't have any indigenous poisonous snakes,
and there are some some that like kind of migrate
through the state, but we don't have any of that here.
So we're very lucky and fortunate to you know, put
our hands in whatever we want almost But yeah, I've
tried actually the uh kinda. We took a log and

(22:32):
carved it out and put a trail camera in there,
and I got a bird and some other stuff. I
got a really weird hair pattern on one picture, like,
and then the log was knocked over, so it could
have been a bear or something. It looked like longer
hair fur on whatever creature this was. But as far
as like getting it to take a nice clear picture,

(22:54):
it didn't. But anybody that watched, I think it was
maybe last week's episode of Weekend before I had Michael
James on and he was talking about these three sixty
stealth cameras, and it just so happens that I had
him on. I had it was a prerecorded episode, had
him on, and like a day or two later, I

(23:16):
went to Walmart and there was one on clearance, So
I got this one for seventy five dollars. It's one
hundred and fifty dollars camera. But anybody that didn't watch
the episode it it has motion sensor all the way
around and the camera will spin and take a three
sixty photo whenever something is triggered. So it's it's a

(23:37):
really cool camera. It goes on like a stake instead
of like a mounted to a tree. But and it's
got like Wi Fi and stuff so that you can
send it to your phone in that as well.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
But I don't know. I haven't tried it yet obviously.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
But nice, Nice, You're definitely definitely gonna have to give
me some feedback on that on that camera there, and
let me know how it is. If you end up
recommending it, I'll grab myself a couple. But the cameras
that I've had up here in Alaska have have disappeared.

(24:10):
They've either been stolen or ripped off off the trees
by animals or or who knows, even a bear, you know,
because obviously we have a rather large bear issue up here.
So but yeah, let let me know how those those
that camera works out. I'd love to hear the feedback.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Absolutely, Like I said, I'm going to try and deploy
this one in the middle of a stream or river.
And we were talking before the show. I have a
new area that I'm trying to research this year, and
I think that that's where I'm going to try and
deploy this thing as soon as I find a good
spot for it to go and put it out.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
But I think that's what I'm gonna try to do
with it.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
So yeah, excellent idea. Excellent idea.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
So we talked a.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Little bit about Arkansas, and I will come back to
your your pictures, but I want to know, like, do
you do you get to go out in Alaska and stuff?
Have you had any sightings or you know, good good
evidence and stuff up there where you go?

Speaker 6 (25:13):
No sightings here in Alaska as far as real time.
I've found signs that they've been in the area. You
know a lot of tree breaks, and you know, obviously
tree breaks are one of those big controversial topics in
the bigfoot research community, and specifically what we look for

(25:36):
up here and actually in our Arkansas area too, are
what we call standalone breaks, and these are breaks that
don't have anything else around them that's collapsed. You know,
as as Bigfoot researchers you always have to be your
first skeptic, and you've always got to rule out We

(25:58):
have kind of a list we go through. You always
got to rule out the natural phenomenon, you know, when
it comes to tree breaks, you know, was it wind,
is it weather? Is it the weight of snow the
previous season, or if you're out researching in wintertime, is
it recent snow that may have collapsed something. So the
type of tree breaks that we really focus in on
are what we call the standalone breaks. And so I've

(26:20):
found a lot of standalone breaks and also other other
tree structures that that you know, some researchers will will
say they are nests or some will will call them
century posts, you know, where they hide to be on

(26:41):
the lookout for the UH clan or family. So I
found a lot of that and uh the tracks that
I've found up here. Again, you you've got to be
your first skeptic, right and here in Alaska, obviously we
have large predators, mainly bear. And I always say that

(27:05):
in places that have large predators, the large predator tracks
can often be misidentified as bigfoot tracks because if you
get a grizzly that steps someplace twice and it just
enlarges that area, you know, it can start to resemble
a sasquatch track. So you really got to be careful

(27:28):
in how you examine, and you know, make sure you
have your tools with you, like your tape measure and
things like that. But so finding the tracks up here,
except in the wintertime. The wintertime is much easier, but
during the summer, when bears are so active, you know,
you really got to be careful with the tracks and
make sure you're not misidentifying them.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
We were doing we were on this private property doing
an investigation in Upper Michigan, and I was hiking around
this area and we just got back to base camp
and maybe a couple hundred feet out of base camp
is this mud puddle and it's dried water, so it
was just nice mud and there was a really nice
bigfoot track in the middle of it. And I'm like,

(28:13):
oh my gosh, like this thing had to just come
through here. And I went back to camp and I
got my mom and brought her back out there and
started looking at it, and then we realized it was
a double step of a bear. But when you first
looked at it, it looked very much like a bigfoot track,
and it went from it went from excitement of oh
my gosh, a bigfoot track to oh, there's a bear

(28:36):
right here. The excitement turned to something else.

Speaker 6 (28:40):
So, yeah, me and my fellow podcast host Matt Slater,
who is based out of Quincy, Washington, when he was
up here years ago, him and I had a really
bad bear encounter while we were out, and because of
that incident, you know, I'm very very careful, a lot

(29:04):
more careful now as to where and when I go
out to do research.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Interesting, yeah, we knew. We had trail cameras all over
the property and stuff, and you would see pictures of
we're there for about four or five years working this property,
and you would see bears on trail cameras within like
ten minutes of when we were there, and yet only
once ever on that property would we ever see a

(29:32):
bear in all that time. It's just crazy to know
that they're there. And that just shows, you know, like
you know, when we talk about like why haven't we
found a bigfoot or anything, Well, if we know and
we are getting pictures of bears on a property within
ten minutes of us being in a location and not
seeing hearing anything of that bear being there, imagine what

(29:53):
these other things, you know, like it's insane, Like it's
so easy for these things to hide, and you know,
know their environment that they you can hide from anything
out there.

Speaker 6 (30:02):
So yeah, another thing we run into up here is moose.
And with the bears and the moose, they're so big
and so massive, you would think that they would stand out,
that you could see them on my way. But sometimes
I've literally walked right up on moose and not realized
they were there. These these creatures are massive, but they

(30:24):
blend into the woods so easily. It would just shock you. Now,
when Matt and I had our bear encounter, you know,
get we get a lot of questions about that. What happened?
What happened? Well, here's what happened. So Matt and I
were going out one day and there's a there are
several glaciers that are located not far away from Anchorage,

(30:47):
and probably the main one is called Portage Glacier. That's
the big tourist one that everybody goes to. But there
are also some smaller secondary glaciers and there's some trails
that go out out there. So so Matt and I
on this particular day, had decided to go out to
one of the secondary glaciers, and you know, it's a

(31:08):
well hiked trails, it's not very long to get back there.
A lot of people go out there, a lot of families.
But you know, Matt and I knew that there are
there are bears out there. This is this is bear central,
you know. So him and I actually, you know, like
we usually do, took our firearms with us, and so
we're headed down that trail and there are you know,

(31:31):
the the yuppies and stuff are passing us, you know,
scowling at us, how dare you bring guns with you?
You know, that type of look. You know, We're like, yeah, whatever,
we live here, we know what's going on, you know.
And so we're headed out on this trail and and
I look down on the trail and I see some
candy on the trail that someone's presumably someone's child had dropped.

(31:54):
And as soon as I saw that candy, I knew.
I knew immediately that bears would be close, as you know,
they can you know, smell food about a billion miles away.
So we go out to the glacier. There's a lot
of people out there because it kind of opens up
into this massive area, massive clearing, and went out to
the glacier. Lots of people out there, and so we're

(32:15):
on our we stay out there a little bit. On
our way back, and off to our left, I thought
I heard movement, and so we stopped and we both
face left and we saw the brush kind of moving
back and forth, and we just watched and watched, and

(32:38):
we didn't see anything. We could see the brush moving,
but we saw nothing. And then we saw some birds
back there, and we thought, oh, it must have been birds, right,
and so we turn. He's in front of me, and we,
you know, turn again, and we took about two steps,
and all I can describe it is at an audible

(32:59):
is like an audible voice said turn around. And when
I turned around, about fifteen feet away was what I
estimate to be a around a two hundred and fifty
pound black bear. And this black bear is at a
dead stare with us, and it is just frozen at

(33:19):
a dead stare. And you know, I literally took the
barrel of my gun and leaned over and had it
pointing at its head, you know, point blank range, almost,
and we were doing everything they tell you to do,
you know, they tell you to scream, they tell you
to yell, they tell you make yourself look bigger. We

(33:41):
were doing all of that and nothing was working. And
for people who who don't, you know, think that black
bears are just these cuddly creatures, you know, that will
run from you all the time, that's not always the case.
So this bear wasn't moving, and we weren't moving. So

(34:03):
we're at a stalemate, and I'm thinking, you know, gosh,
and it's happening so quickly, and you know, I had
my gun pointed at its head, and Matt had his
gun out and pointed, and we're trying to decide, you know,
do we fire some warning shots or where I had
already made the decision that if that bear even inches forward,

(34:24):
that he's going to heaven. You know, I don't know
when or where I'm going to die, but it is
not going to be in the jaws of a bear.
So anyway, we're at a stalemate. And one of the
things that they say up here about black bears and
brown bears, if a black bear will stalk you, So

(34:46):
we're starting to wonder maybe that bear will stalking us
the whole time. A black bear will stalk you and
if a black bear attacks you, they will eat you,
you know. So they say, if it's black, fight back.
If it's brown, get on the grind. If it's a
brown bear, if you play dead and you cover up,
you might survive. But if it's a black bear, you

(35:07):
got to fight for your wife. So we are in
a stalemate, and we finally decided we're going to start
backing up, you know a little bit, which in hindsight
probably wasn't a good idea because we actually had to
go kind of around a little curve, you know, and
we kind of lost sight of it for a second,
and it could have ran through the brush and cashed
one of us in at that moment. But we're at

(35:30):
a stalemate. Somebody's got to move, so we decided it
would be us, and so we backed up. We literally
backed up all the way back to the trail head
and we get up back to the beginning of the
trail and I'll never forget this woman and her boyfriend
and their dog, unleashed of course, come walking up and
we said, hey, there's a bear down there, and we

(35:50):
wouldn't recommend going down there. And they were like, oh,
what kind is it? And I was like, what difference
does it make there's a bear down there?

Speaker 5 (35:58):
You know, teddy us, we'll find out.

Speaker 6 (35:59):
Yeah, couldn't you see us backing our way down the
trail out the trail head? But anyway, you know, so
they go, you know, just you know, jaunting on down there,
you know. And and and about five minutes later they
come back, you know, so I say, oh, they must
have seen that bear. But so you know, I wasn't

(36:22):
scared in the moment, because you got the adrenaline going,
you know, and I was ready to. I was like,
I will kill this bear in a second, and I'll
sort it out with the state police later, you know.
And I'm not a person who curses. I'm not a
person who swears. But when that adrenaline wore off, I

(36:42):
don't know what came out of my mouth, but but
I'm told it was quite colorful language as I was
kicking the tire of the truck. But well, when that
adrenaline came off, I could feel it. Then. So ever,
since that experience that I don't want to relive that experience.
So Ever, since that happened, I have a extremely careful
up here in Alaska as to where and when I

(37:04):
go and you know, so far, and I've only had
another bear bear crossing encounter one other time and after that,
and that was actually recently. This was actually within the
last six months. And and I was out just to
film a quick promo segment for our podcast, and I

(37:27):
was down this trail and I look over and it
was it was really windy that day, so I'm guessing
whatever it was didn't catch my scent. And I and
I look over and I see this black figure. And
I'm gonna say it's a bear, because I you know,
it happened so fast that I was more concerned about
getting out of there than anything. Thinking it was a bear,

(37:50):
I'm gonna say it was a bear. But it was
standing up. It was all black, it was standing up,
it was had it was reaching its arms up into
the crook of a tree, and it had like around
its abdomen. It had gray streaks. So it's it's on
its hind legs reaching up into a tree. And I

(38:12):
just as soon as I saw it, and I realized
it had fur, hair or whatever, and it hadn't seen me.
But I started backing up out of there. And as
soon as they say don't run right. Well, as soon
as I got out of eyesight of it, I ran.
I was like, not today, not today, Satan. So I

(38:34):
was just I ran all the way back to my truck.
And you know, I'm not in the greatest athletic shape
like I used to be, so by the time I
got back to the truck, I was I was sucking
air pretty bad. So but yeah, that and that happened
not long ago. But but yeah, so that's that's the

(38:54):
bare story. But up here, you know, you always got
to be cognizant of of the wildlife, and specifically the
bears and the moose, because a moose will kill you too.
You know, a moose will will stomp you. And you know,
years and years ago, there's a there's a video out
there of a of a gentleman that's going into the

(39:17):
University of Alaska, Anchorage and apparently he didn't want to
want to go to another door. He had to go
through this door and there's a big moose standing there
with a calf, and he got between the calf and
the and the mother and ended up getting stomped to death.
He was actually killed. And so you got to be
really careful of that wildlife up here. There are two

(39:38):
things that will kill you quickly in Alaska. One is
weather and the other is wildlife.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Absolutely that goes anywhere, I mean any any willed woods
or wilderness or anything. You know, being prepared and having
a plan of attack, you know, a cell phone, GPS
track or anything, especially if you're going out alone. A
lot of researchers go out alone because they don't have
anyone else to go with them, or they don't want
to go with anybody else. They think that you know,

(40:04):
more interactions are going to happen, and you're going to
get interactions, but they might not be the animal that
you're out.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
There looking for. So always good to be prepared when
you go out in the wilderness.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
Now in Arkansas and our research area down there, we
have other things to contend with. Obviously the snakes that
I mentioned before, rattlesnakes and copperheads, and every time I've
been down there and out with William and Steve and
we've encountered poisonous snakes. Finally, you know, William drove me
to the Bass Pro Shop in Shreveport, Louisiana, so I
could get some snake boots, so you know, at least,

(40:35):
you know. And then there's there's the the unseen threat,
which are the ticks. There's a lot of ticks out there.
I know, you being in the Midwest, you know exactly
what I'm talking about. And so after we're out in
the field down there in Arkansas, you have to go
through the tick ritual, you know, and make sure that
you don't have them on your skin, on your clothes,

(40:56):
because ticks are you know, are are can be just
as deadly with lime disease and various other diseases. So
you got to be really careful about the tips. But
the big one, the big one down there in Arkansas
are the wild hogs. Oh and some farmers, actually, William
told me, Stephen told me, some farmers told me down

(41:17):
there that the wild hogs are angry one hundred percent
of the time. And when I first went down there
to do research with him, I didn't know that there
were wild hogs there. And on one of the various trips,
we were out in the woods and I had wandered
away from William, who had had the gun. Obviously we
always have guns out there for the snakes and stuff.

(41:38):
I had kind of wandered away from him and I
was on the phone with another researcher named Robin Haynes
from Paranormal Dash Empowerment dot Com. I was on the
phone with her when all of a sudden, there were
wild hogs coming in the brush. And I did not know.
I actually said, I got a hold on you know,

(41:59):
I shoved the phone my pocket, and I did not
know I could climb a tree that fast. But I had,
you know, you know, fear has a way of inspiring you,
and I had I fire poled. I fire poled up
the tree. There was nothing for me to grat onto,
so I had to fire pole up there until I
could get onto another branch. But that was probably the

(42:21):
most terrifying moment.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
I I don't know what I'd do with a wild pig.
We don't have any of that up here. We got
we got cougars, wolves, coyotes, and black bears and that's
about it. And I mean that's about it. That's enough,
you know. But we went into one area where we've
had a lot of bigfoot stuff and there's nice mud
on the ground and the roadway there, and we're walking

(42:44):
along looking and all of a sudden we're like, that's
that's a you know, a weird dog track. It's pretty big,
you know, and it doesn't have claws, and we're like.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
That's a kitty.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
That is a big kitty, and then next to it
are little bitty kitty prince and we're like, that's a
mother with some babies. And we're not gonna hang around
here anymore. So that's uh, that was the one and
only time that I think we've you know, been close
to cougar's and uh not not not something you want
to mess with. So we we left that area quite quick.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
You know.

Speaker 6 (43:18):
I was I was talking to some hunters from the
Midwest recently, specifically Michigan, and there they were telling me,
you know, there's been some mountain lion sightings and uh
also panther sightings. You know that that uh not every
state official will admit to. But yeah, I actually talked

(43:40):
to some hunters from the Midwest and we were discussing that.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
There was recently a jaguar photographed.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
Oklahoma.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Maybe I know it was one of the southern states,
but it was well up into the US and but
it was clear as day. A jaguar from from South
America is photographed up here running around, so they're they're around.

Speaker 6 (44:04):
Oh gosh, jaguars. No thanks, no thanks. I was down
in Brazil. And when I was down there in the
jungle in Brazil, I I that's all I could think about,
was there. And you'll never see them when they come, obviously.
And I know this sounds kind of kind of silly

(44:24):
when it comes to, you know, the United States, but
when it comes to if you're in mountain lion territory
or or jaguar territory, you know, do what a lot
of the people do in the tiger areas in India,
and that is they put they take a mask and
they put it on the back of their head to
make it appear that there's a face, you know, and
that that's the front because as you know, these ambush

(44:47):
predators will come grab from behind, so they try to
throw them off by putting a mess. And I have
no shame about doing that in Mountain Lion territory here
in the United States, let me tell you no shame.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
That's that is excellent advice and very true as well.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Yeah, that's really that's a good idea. We are live
here in studio. I see a lot of comments here.
Djo Thomas is in the comments section. Flat Rockland is
in the comments who will Here's a reminder. You are
scheduled to be on the show next week, so don't
forget that. And if you want to hear flat Rockland,
he will be on next week. If you guys have

(45:24):
any questions or comments for Daniel about Arkansas or Anchorage, Alaska,
or bigfoot or dog man or anything like that, throw
him in the comments section and we will get to
them before we wrap things up on the show today.
I want to go back to a couple things about
the bears and stuff up in Alaska here. So first

(45:45):
of all, I want to ask you this. Putting yourself
back in that position with the big black bear on
the hiking trail, when this thing is rustling in the
bushes and you're kind of waiting and watching for something
to come out, you turn, you walk away, something tells
you to turn around. You turn around. What if that

(46:06):
was a you know, eight foot tall big foot standing there.
Put yourself back in that position, and knowing how you
reacted with the bear and how that felt and everything,
what do you think would have happened if that would
have been a bigfoot that crawled out of the bushes.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
Well, it.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
Would have depended on where I was in this case, Alaska.
So the bigfoot in Alaska have a reputation for being
far more on the aggressive side. And there's a couple
theories about that, but the main theory is that the
reason they're seen as a lot more aggressive is because

(46:49):
of their lack of contact with the human population. Obviously
up here we have a lot of area but small
human population. If it had happened up here, if I
would come face to face with a bigfoot up here,
I would immediately be a little bit more on the
cautious side, you know, just given the reputation that bigfoot

(47:10):
have in this state. But you know a lot of
people say, you know, they would run, you know, but
as a bigfoot researcher, this is this is what I've
been looking for. This is what I've been waiting for.
So I don't see myself running, you know, if it
is displaying aggressiveness and I felt my life was in

(47:32):
danger whole other ballgame, you know, if I would probably
have shot it. You know, if you know, if one
of us is going, it's not going to be me,
you know. So but as a bigfoot researcher, that's the
goal is to see that bigfoot. So I'm not going
to run unless I have to run.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Excuse me.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
It's always interesting because we get asked all the time
what would you do if you saw one? And so
here's like I said, here's a situation where you were
face to face with this bear, two hundred and fifty
pounds bear standing right in front of you. Now, if
that was you know, the tables are flipped. You know,
you kind of have a really good idea of what
that would feel like, whatever it was, you know. So

(48:17):
it's puts you in a unique position to be able
to answer that question a little more realistically than a
lot of people that just have the hypothetical of, you know,
not having that bear encounter or that experience.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
So that's interesting, Yeah, it has you know, they say
experience is the best teacher, but it costs the most.
And that experience with that bear taught me a lot
in just those few short minutes, you know, And as
I said, as a result, I'm very very careful about
where and when I go, what time of day it is,

(48:48):
you know, because bears are more active in the mornings
and in the evenings, So I try to you know,
get my research time in in midday. You know, it
doesn't eliminate the you know, all of the risk, but
at least it decreases it a little bit because you
know that that moment was probably some of the scariest
in my life.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
I see I have made a full power over in
the comments. There's two flat rocks and I did not
realize that. So yeah, I got.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
You mixed up.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
I don't there you go. So yes, flat rock will
be on one of you. Whoever wants to come, there
you go, both of you.

Speaker 6 (49:29):
So we have another saying up here in Alaska when
it comes to bears, we say don't get tread weld.
And don't get tread weld is a reference to that
guy who years ago went out to I think it
was Kodiak, and he interacted with the bears every season.
He humanized them to the point of ridiculousness where they

(49:53):
had names, and you know, he was out there thinking
he was protecting the bears, et cetera, et cetera, and
and unfortunately he ended up getting getting killed as well,
and even worse, his girlfriend, who didn't even want to
be there, she ended up getting killed as well. And
when the Alaska State Police went out there the bears

(50:18):
actually you know, went at them, you know, so they
had to kill kill a few. But but it was
a horrible tragedy that took place so needless because this guy,
tread Well had humanized these bears to a ridiculous level.
And but we do say that up here occasionally, don't
get tread weld. You know, somebody's going out hiking, Hey,

(50:38):
don't get tread weld. You know, so that's where that
reference comes from.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Interesting, Yeah, you hear that a lot in the Bigfoot
research and stuff as well. You know, people not domesticating
these creatures, but you know, like they give them names,
they go out there, they do the gifting, they have
these personal interactions with them. And that's the same thing
as you know, like what you're talking about any any animal,
any you know, even people. You know, it just takes

(51:05):
one bad day and somebody snaps on you, you know,
but any any animal out in the wild, you can
domesticated all you want. And you know, even you know,
farmers their their livestock. Pigs have been known to eat
people that fall in the pen, the person that feeds them,
you know, so you can never get too comfortable around
these things or you know, lower your guard no matter
what animal.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
It is.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
Absolutely absolutely and you know, I've actually had tourists ask me,
and I'm not kidding, this actually happens. Is it okay
to pet the moose?

Speaker 5 (51:40):
You know?

Speaker 6 (51:40):
Because here in Anchorage, the moose will just walk down
the street like you know, down in Lower forty eight
where I've been, like in Ohio and some deer. The
deer down there kind of skittch, they'll run away from
you a lot of times. But the moose will just
walk down the middle of the street like own the joint,

(52:01):
you know. And so tourists see this and they think
that that is an indicator that these animals are in
some way or shape or form tame. So they've actually
asked me, he said, okay to pet the moose. I'm like, no,
you know, And we have some moose collisions obviously here
moose vehicle collisions, and a lot of times, I say

(52:26):
a lot of times, several times the drivers have been
killed because these moose weigh over one thousand pounds and
when they get hit, they fall in on the windshield.
So that's one thousand pounds coming at you at a
at a pretty high rate of speed, you know, so
the collisions are often deadly for the driver and the moose.

(52:48):
And unfortunately, and this this is a story that was
told to me by the Anchorage police that they've had
moose collisions in town where the moose will be on
the on the street, you know, still and these people
that that are that are, oh, it's the moose. It's
a it's a precious animal, will try to run over
there and interfere and try to uh, you know, you know,

(53:12):
comfort the moose and it's dying minutes and etcetera. Where
they actually had to threaten people with arrest, you know,
because people humanize these animals so much they want to
come over there and provide comfort to it after it's
been in a collision.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
You know.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
So it can get a little crazy up here.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Sometimes it's the isolation kicking in up there. People going nuts.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
Right. Oh oh man, let's see.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Oh I recently saw online a video you talk about
the moose walking down the streets. There was a clip
released of hippos in Africa and picture you know, your
your typical downtown city buildings, traffic lights, everything, and there
was these two or three hippos I can't remember just
walking down the road and people are videotaping them and

(54:02):
stuff and just walking right down. It's like, hippos are
the most deadliest animal right now, and you know they
are just watering through the city. That was a very
cool video, but not something that you know, moose are
one thing I get, but hippos or another.

Speaker 6 (54:21):
So yeah, that's another beast that terrifies me. I had
an opportunity to go to Africa once and I declined
because I'm not ready for Africa, you know, and hippos
and the two main reasons I didn't want to or
for actually three main reasons I didn't want to go
to Africa hippos, lions, and the black mamba.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
Oh you know, every.

Speaker 6 (54:41):
Kind of poisonous snake in the world, you know. So
I was like, I think I'll pass on that invitation.
So I didn't end up going.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
So you don't plan on going to Australia anytime soon either.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
I did go to Australia once, and every time I
stepped on grass, I was like, you know, every time
I stepped in any type of vegetation, I'm like, is
there a Sydney Sydney funnel web? Spider in here? Is
there a red belly black snake in here? You know?
I was and even going to the beach. You know,
I didn't even want to stick my toe in the water,
you know, because I you know, you get these visions

(55:15):
of a great white shark just you know, be lining
it over to you, or and these man o war
jellyfish and these little tiny jellyfish that can that can
put you out, you know. So I didn't want to
stick my toe in the water. I know that's being
overly paranoid, but I thought about those things, you.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
Know, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
All right, it doesn't look like we have any questions
so far over here, Like I said, we are live.
So if you guys have any questions specifically for our guests,
throw them in there. Maybe put them in all caps
so that we can see them. I want to go
back to the bears again here. So you mentioned like
seeing these the tree breaks and the stick breaks and
stuff like that. And so in reference to what people

(56:01):
are calling these nests or blinds or stuff that bigfoot make,
what have you seen being so surrounded by bears and
stuff up there? Do you find bear nests? Do you
find bear blinds or anything? Like that, because we know
that they make their own versions of nests and stuff
where they sleep. What are you seeing there and how

(56:22):
does that compare or do you not find any of
that either?

Speaker 6 (56:27):
With the bears, what I find is signs of the
of them rooting around, you know, kind of the claw
the claw marks, scratching and things like that and so
and that's another thing that I look for with the
with the tree breaks. You know, if if a bear
has been has been around that area, I'm looking for

(56:50):
the claw marks and you know, indicators that would point
to bear activity. You know, I'm looking around on the
ground and and stuff. And sometimes especially with the moose.
You know, the moose are so massive. If if there's
been a moose laying there, when they get up and leave,

(57:10):
that the whole ground is flattened. You know, the whole
ground is flattened there. And I know you guys in
the Midwest see it with the with the deer that
have bedded down. So when it comes to bears, I'm
looking for claw marks. I'm looking for scratch marks on
the tree or around the tree someplace. And uh and

(57:33):
I haven't you know, with so many bears in the
state of Alaska. You would think that you would come
across maybe a dead bear every now and then, or
you see one by the river, or come across some bones,
you know, But I have never in all the times
I've been in the in the woods here and on

(57:54):
the trails, I have never seen a bear bone or
a dead bear or anything like that. You know, people
outside the Bigfoot community are saying, well, why didn't you
find any bones? You know, why don't you find this? Well,
you know what, you can't even find bears, I mean
finding one of those is rare too, you know. So yeah,

(58:14):
But when it comes to bears and the tree breaks
and the nests and things like that, you know, I
look for the signs that they've been in the area,
and the main one is that is the claw marks
of them scratching around on the in the ground and
on the trees. And if I if I see that sign,
I pretty much generally dismiss it as as being encrypted related.

(58:36):
But it's those tree breaks that again, the standalone breaks
that you find, and the tree manipulations that the arches,
you know, the tree manipulations, those standalone breaks. If I
don't see any signs of bear activity and based on
my criteria where it is, you know, could it be

(58:59):
weather related, could there be human traffic through here? You know,
if none of it, none of it, excuse me, indicates
any of that, then I generally can say more likely
than not, this was caused by a cryptid. You know,

(59:22):
But you got to be really careful, and like I said,
you got to be your first skeptic. All good researchers
are their first skeptic. So, and the treatment manipulations are
a little bit easier because the tree manipulations you often
find the weaving going on multiple branches, weaving archways that

(59:43):
could not have been caused by natural phenomenon. So those
are a little bit easier, I think, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
But you don't you don't find, yeah, you don't find
like any kind of bear nests or not nests. But
you know, like I said, where they're laying or anything
like that, nothing that shows similarities to to these other things.

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
Like the most of most of the time I'm finding
what I believe are are moose and it could have
been caused by bears to the where the ground has
been flattened. And again it all depends on the area.
But the bears that I've seen like, I've never seen
a bear just laying down. Like all the bears I've

(01:00:28):
ever seen in Alaska have been on the move, you know,
be it near the rivers where the salminar, be it
going across the landscape. Sometimes you can look up on
the mountains. You can actually look up on the mountains
and see them going across you know, the mountain vegetation,
you know. But I've never seen a bear laying down anywhere. Obviously,

(01:00:50):
obviously they do, but but I've just never seen it.
And the land indentations, the vegetation indentations that I come across,
or mostly I would say caused by moose, you know.
And another thing bears have, and a lot of people
will tell you this is they stink. You know, they

(01:01:12):
smell bad and so especially in the summer. So if
there's a bear around, you know, you might you might
catch a whiff of them. But they're like silent stalkers.
I mean, they're so big, so massive, but you may
not even realize that they're only twenty five feet away

(01:01:35):
from you in the brush. And I'd say that when
I'm out doing research, the scariest moments I have are
going through brush where it's so tall that I can't see,
you know. And I've heard a lot of stories about
people going through there and all of a sudden one
will stand up, you know, and it's hind legs and
sniff the air, and but you never know what could

(01:01:58):
be waiting around that next bend.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
When you you talk about the smell of the bears,
is that kind of similar to what people are describing
with like the ransom meat garbage kind of smell or
is that something different? What do you what a bears
smell like when you encounter them.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
Well, I've only smelled it really once, and but but
the stories that other people tell me, hunters and hikers,
other hikers, I've only smelled it once. And when I
smelled it, it was like like a mixture of of
old dog and and and poop, you know. It was,

(01:02:41):
and it's musky, musky, old dog and poop, you know,
and and it was it was pretty rancid. But but
you know a lot of people describe when they have
a big foot encounter or the near one, this horrible,
horrible stench that bigfoot emit, you know it. It definitely

(01:03:03):
wasn't that level, but it was bad fair enough.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
That's what I was wondering, like it could be like
a misidentification of bears or something there. But that property
in Upper Michigan where I was talking about earlier, my
mom would have catch whiffs of I can't remember what
they're called, but it's a sweet cigar. And she would
smell this cigar kind of sweet smell around the bears.

(01:03:32):
So it wasn't necessarily a bad smell. But every time
you'd you'd run into an area where something had been
or you could see evidence and stuff, she would get
this this smell of that, And I did. I noticed
it like once or twice, but she would she would
point it out quite a bit up there. But yeah,
thank you Lee swiss or sweets.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
The cigars that her brothers and stuff her father used
to smoke and stuff, and so she'd she knew the
smell of that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
But interesting they had they had this play called things
called the Alaska Wildlife Park. It's outside of Anchorage always
and they have some bears there and and that are
in captivity. And those bears will walk up, you know,
near the fence line, you know, not I mean just
a few feet away from you. And and I've smelled

(01:04:20):
it from them not as bad. But I smelled, you know,
just slight sense from those bears, But it wasn't as
bad as the one I smelled actually in the field.
But yeah, it's pretty bad.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
Well, on that note, did you notice any smell when
you encountered the two hundred and fifty pounds one right
face to face?

Speaker 6 (01:04:45):
I didn't. I didn't smell anything. I it was so
it's such a bizarre moment because we were literally at
a dead stare with each other. I mean, its eyes
were right on mine, and the thing I remember most
about its face was the brown, the light brown outline

(01:05:08):
of its uh of its around its eyes and stuff.
That's what I remember most about it. But I didn't
smell anything. Surprisingly, if I smelled something, it probably would
have been coming from me. No.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
I keep going back to that because, like I said,
it's such a unique encounter that you can compare it
one hundred percent to a Bigfoot sighting and use it
to to, you know, take that note of well, what
did you experience? Did you smell anything in the you know,
did you have these you know, all these questions that
we asked the witnesses of Bigfoot, You can ask yourself
and go, well, you're you're in this flight or flight

(01:05:45):
fight or flight moment of you know, I'm fighting for
my life here, whether you're fighting or not, you know,
and you have to take that into consideration of what
was going through your mind. And you know, maybe it
did smell and you just totally wasn't anything you were
interested in thinking about and just blocked it out.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
It's it's it's a really cool perception to be able
to have, you know, as scary as it probably was.

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
Yeah, a lot of people ask me, well, did you
have bear spray? And uh, you know, they could get
the you know, the pepper spray basically is for those
who were not familiar with a big, huge cans of
pepper spray, And uh, I actually didn't have any that day.
I don't carry it very often. One time I had

(01:06:30):
it sitting in the front passenger seat in my vehicle
and I had to stop abruptly and it rolled off
the passenger seat and hit the floor and when it
hit the floor, it went off inside the car, you know,
And uh, I haven't forgotten that moment, and uh it
was pretty bad, but but I prefer you know, uh,

(01:06:51):
you know what like Han Solo says, you know, in
Star Wars, nothing beats a good blaster at your side.
You know, I prefer that route more than the bear
spy myself. I had. I had alternated also, sorry to interrupt,
I had alternated specifically for this reason. I had alternated

(01:07:11):
the shells in the gun. Like I had shot slug
shot slug shot sug. I had alternated the shells specifically
for a bear encounter.

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
Yeah, I won't get into the stories now take up
too much time, but I can tell you three stories
where bear spray did not go well for the people
and no bear around, just in general of having a
can of bear spray with them. And I cannot tell
you any stories that I've heard where somebody said I
was in the woods used bear spray and it saved
my life. So I guess it's a it's a toss

(01:07:48):
up of being prepared and having accidents.

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
So I've heard more accidents. Good.

Speaker 6 (01:07:56):
Yeah, I got a good whiff of it in the car,
and yeah it was it was pretty bad, pretty bad, absolutely,
all right?

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Man, Well, were we were at the end of the
show here, I want to I don't want to take
up your time. If you got something else going on.
We do have the picture still, if you'd like to
talk about that, I'd love to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
Before we wrap up.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
Absolutely, go for it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Awesome, all right, So why don't we you want to
show the picture, you introduce it first.

Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
I'll go ahead and introduce it first.

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
So tell us you sent me this awesome picture here,
and it's got some cool new stuff going on with
it and exciting news, and so tell us tell us
all about it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:35):
So the picture that you're about to see, you're gonna
see two pictures, and one is from a distance and
the other one is close up and well relatively close up.
And this picture was taken in our research area in
Arkansas that we call Ground Zero, myself, William Lunsford, and

(01:08:57):
Stephen Hill, and we had been out in the field
checking the game cameras and doing our research and we
were actually on our way out and you know, you
hear a lot of bigfoot researchers talk about that sensation
of feeling like you're being watched, and on this particular day,

(01:09:18):
that's what we were feeling. And we had already found
some tracks in the area, excusing very large tracks in
the area. So as we're coming out of the woodline.
You know, we were like, you know what if something
is watching us, it's watching us from the tree line,
And so I immediately turned around and in rapid succession

(01:09:40):
started taking grid shots of the tree line, just boom
boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom, all the
way down in quick, rapid succession. And this is as
we're still making our way up towards the old logging
road that's in that area. So when we got up
to the logging road, we started exact ammining the photographs

(01:10:01):
and that's when in this particular photograph that you're going
to see, we saw what appeared to be a face
looking back at us. So this is the distance one
and again this was one of many that was taken

(01:10:23):
in rapid succession in our research area and ground zero.
And the area of focus that we want to look
at is between those two white branches that are down there.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
And is not it where am I oh down here? Yep?

Speaker 6 (01:10:42):
Down there? Yeah, Okay, between those two white branches there
near the upper part of it. What you're going to see,
or what we believe is there is the face of
a sasquatch that's what I belie that we were looking
at as it is watching us from the tree line. Now,

(01:11:05):
good researchers, like we've said before, good researchers, you always
have to be your first skeptic. So this is what
we did. So when we saw that picture as we're
up there on the logging road, we actually sent it
to a professional photographer up in Anchorage, Alaska, from a
company called ACE forty nine Photography. We sent that picture
up there to have them examine it, and they did

(01:11:28):
all their filters and all that stuff that we don't
know how to do because I'm not much of a techie,
and so they did their filters and they said, whatever
is there is still there. So we had them look
at it, and the next day I had to go
back to Alaska. So the next day my partners William
Lunsford and Stephen Hill actually had to go back out

(01:11:50):
to the area and go back there and make sure
that it wasn't a tree or there was make sure
there was no structure back there, because you know, another
thing about the Arkansas areas and and other areas that
we go to is there are old abandoned structures back
there in the woods, you know, because a lot of

(01:12:12):
these areas were inhabited areas you know that that time
has forgotten, you know, so it's not uncommon to be
out in the middle of the woods there and come
across some type of former structure, you know. So my
partners had to actually go back, go back to the trees,
go back there and make sure there was no big
chain and there really aren't big trees in that area.

(01:12:34):
Make sure that there was no big trees in the area,
just to double check again, because you always have to
be your first skeptic and always have to rule out
all these different things. So yeah, that's that's the story
of that picture. And it was a really good catching.
Near that area, we found very large tracks, so you know,

(01:12:57):
putting the puzzle pieces together obvious. So it's open to interpretation,
you know. And one of the things that we say
in bigfoot research is never speaking absolutes, because things that
you might think are true today, you might uncover new
evidence tomorrow that completely, you know, blows that one out
of the water. So never speaking absolutes. But what we

(01:13:17):
think we are looking at, in our opinion, is the
actual face of a sasquatch that was watching us from
the tree line, and this picture has garnered some attention
as of late, and we knew this picture was good.
We knew it was good as soon as we saw it.
You know, we got something special here. So we actually
had a copyrighted pretty quickly and eventually I don't know

(01:13:43):
how it got noticed. I think it was on our
TikTok channel, but the Discovery channel took an interest in it.
And so one of their TV shows that's on Discovery
and Disney Plus called Paranormal Caught on Camera has taken
an interest in this, and we just completed some interviews
with them recently and when they saw this picture, they

(01:14:07):
wanted to see more. So they actually asked us for
some more pictures from our area as well. And I
will say this about them, this kind of sidebar, but
I will say this about them. You know, when you're
in this field, you're used to people making fun of you.
You're used to people ridiculing you and giving you a
little bit of heat, whether in jest or for real.

(01:14:30):
But I have to say these, these people that we
dealt with with this TV show were absolutely wonderful. They
were absolutely very nice at every step of the way.
And I just want to point that out that that
they treated us very well. So this picture is sometimes
called the gorilla picture, and that term actually came from

(01:14:53):
one of my bosses at work who said, Daniel, what
are you taking a picture of a gorilla pooping in
the woods for? So that's that's where that term came from.
So it's kind of stuck. But yeah, what we believe
we're seeing is the actual face of a sasquatch. And
a lot of people, you know, online have examined this
photo and they've they've said they see other sasquatch around it,

(01:15:17):
they see baby sasquatch, they see one on the shoulder,
a baby on the shoulder, they see a hand, you know,
reaching around. You know, a lot of people have examined
this photo and said they've seen various things, which we
always appreciate because, you know, it's always really good to
have other people examine your photos and and be able

(01:15:40):
to conduct their own analysis on it. But yeah, that's
what we what we believe we're seeing, and we're very
very fortunate to catch fortunate to catch this shot. Now,
we've gotten lots of pictures from this from this research area.
It's every time we go out there. We're pretty much
guaranteed some type of activity, whether it's a track or
whether it's our game cameras catching thing or here in vocalizations.

(01:16:02):
That's actually that area is the first time I ever
heard of bigfoot screen and it's just an area that's charged.
I mean, you go in there, and I know that
term is overused, but it's an area that is just charged.
You can just feel it. There's something different about our
research area ground zero. That's that's just amazing. And hopefully

(01:16:23):
in twenty twenty six, I'm gonna be able to do
some research on the actual area itself. I want to
find out what the history of the land is because
because there's just something special about it. But yeah, we
were very fortunate enough to get that picture and very
pleased that it's gotten some good attention as of late,
and we love talking about it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
Now, see you bring up a point that people saw
other stuff. You know, this is the this is the
second photo that you sent me where it's circled, and
I wasn't sure where that actually was on this Like
I said in the when I brought it up, I
was looking at this where from farther away this looked
like a face up here and that's what I had

(01:17:08):
thought that you had circled. So I was like, oh,
this thing is up in a tree. Well that's really interesting.
But I now that you point out where it actually is,
you absolutely can see what looks like, you know, you
have the head, you have the conical dome here, face nose,
and then leave and point it out there. Looks like
there's a hand here as well, and you had mentioned that,

(01:17:30):
and then possibly you got like the curve of the
neck and shoulder here in the image.

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
So that's really interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
That's really Yeah, a lot of people have, like I said,
a lot of people have taken taken a look at
this picture and circled various things, and we actually appreciate that.
We we welcome it. And you mentioned about the trees
back there. So we have what we call the five
t's of Bigfoot research, and one of them is trees.

(01:17:59):
We have trees, tracked, trails, time, and technology. Those are
our five t's of Bigfoot research. So the fact that
you pointed out trees, you know, uh, just reminds me
of our of our five te's. But but yeah, we're
we're very fortunate enough, we feel to get that picture.

Speaker 5 (01:18:13):
Yeah, that's cool. That's a very cool picture man.

Speaker 6 (01:18:16):
Thanks.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
I appreciate you having it on the show and sharing
it with us. It's really cool that we get to
see it as well. And I have I have also
heard from Cliff Berrickman you know, uh that you know,
he's very particular about what shows he lends his appearance
and stuff to in that and he has always spoke
very highly as well of Paranormal Caught on camera. So

(01:18:38):
I'm I'm glad that you actually had a positive experience
with them as well.

Speaker 6 (01:18:42):
So it was very positive because I'll admit, because of
heat that that we've taken in the past and ridicule,
ridicule and people laughing at you and smirking at you
and talking about you, and you know, I was ready,
That's what I was ready for, you know, them to
try to make me feel stupid or anything. But but
they were very nice, very nice people, very good.

Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
Good to hear man.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
It's good that there's a lot of shows out there
that actually, uh, you know, don't ridicule on stuff and
take it for face value of what you think and
and you know the actual what's going on there. So
that's awesome. A lot of times they try and overplay everything.
A lot of the paranormal shows are like, it's a demon,
it's a demon, it's dark, and it's just overkill.

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
That And another question I get about that picture is
what what type of camera were you using? Unfortunately at
the time, we didn't have like our you know, the
high tech cameras that that is actually taken with a
with a cell phone camera and so it was an
iPhone that I was using.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
But that's really clear quality for a cell phone camera
to be honest, to be able to you know, like
to be able to zoom in like this, uh, for
on on the show and stuff. Usually we get so
pixelated in that when we zoom in, I was surprised
that I was able to keep going on that one.

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
So that's that's a really nice picture.

Speaker 6 (01:20:06):
Yeah, it was an It was an iPhone Promax is
what I was using. But you know, we and again
that that area, you know, we have all kinds of
cameras back there and hidden and stuff like that, and
and uh and on a you know, also people have
asked me about the cameras, you know, and they say, oh,

(01:20:27):
have you guys ever experienced interference with your technologies and
and the answer to that question is, yes, we have.
As you'll hear from many bigfoot researchers, many cryptid researchers.
We'll always talk about this phenomenon, and we actually developed
a term for it. We call it CEI, cryptied Electronic interference.

(01:20:49):
We just came up with our own term because it's
getting a lot of questions like that. And I was
very surprised that that picture that we took didn't have
any blurs to it. We've had our drone die, we've
we've had our cameras affected in that area at very
very interesting peculiar times. But maybe we'll get a chance
to talk about that someday. But but that CEI phenomenon,

(01:21:12):
but we were very lucky to get this picture, and
like you said, you know it came out really well.

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
Absolutely flat Rock who will be on my show Monday,
not the other flat rock. As what is the purpose
for the copyright.

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
Well, we wanted the picture protection protected because we knew
it was it was different. We knew it was good
and as you know, evidence by the interest taken by
the Discovery Channel and that pretty much pretty much says
it all right there. But we knew it was something special,
so we wanted to protect our work.

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
It's always good to you know, because like people, there's
so much you know, AI and people stealing photos and
reposting it and stuff and claiming it's there. So I
one hundred percent understand the you know, this is my photo.
I took it, you know, if there's anything behind it,
I want credit for it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:11):
So very good.

Speaker 6 (01:22:12):
Yeah, thank you for the question. Valid question. And yeah,
that's that's why we felt we needed to protect it,
you know, because it was special. Do you always protect
what's special?

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
I don't blame you, all right, man, Well we are
over our show today. I really appreciate you sticking around
and hanging out. It's been a wonderful show. And I
think the one thing that I want to take away
from all this here is, you know, I've talked about
this a lot on my show. When when my team
goes out in the woods, we don't go looking for bigfoot,

(01:22:45):
you know, we go looking for what's out there. It
could be fairies, it could be dog man, could be
paranormal UFOs. We've got a report of something in the area,
we go out and you go with an open mind.
And I think that today's show kind of enveloped that
all in a new aspect as well, is talking about
bears and moose and cougars and stuff. If you go

(01:23:05):
out there with with bigfoot blinders on or dog man
blinders or whatever it is that you're going out looking for,
you're gonna miss something that could be life threatening to
you on a very natural and you know, environmental level.
So I think that's very important to put out in
today's show. So you have a podcast, you have some

(01:23:28):
research and stuff out there, tell us all about the
podcast and where we can find it, and any events
and stuff that you've got coming up as well.

Speaker 6 (01:23:37):
So the name of our podcast is the Cryptive Wilderness
Research Podcast. It's on YouTube and Apple. We also have
a TikTok channel, which is where we do, excuse me,
a majority of our of our activity. So upcoming here
in twenty twenty six, we I'll be headed back down
to Arkansas to go out again with William Lunceford and

(01:23:59):
Steven Hill. We're going to do a lot, a lot
of filming while we're down there, hopefully get together with
Keith Crabtree like we always do from the Legend of
Boggie Creek and yeah, we're just gonna do a lot
more filming on this one than we have done in
previous times. And you know, we have drones in our

(01:24:22):
research and we're going to do a lot more a
lot more drone footage. And we actually, again with that
CEI that I mentioned before, we've even experienced it with
our drones over our research areas. But yeah, so also
my partner William Lunsford has a new book out. Highly
encourage you to to look that up online and excuse

(01:24:46):
me here. So yeah, new research in twenty twenty six
down in Arkansas, We're going to be going into Louisiana
as well and Lincoln up with with our friends down
there to who has some private property that has some
really amazing bigfoot activity on that property. So I'm really

(01:25:10):
looking forward to that. And uh yeah, it's gonna be
a good upcoming year. And uh my partner Williams got
some conferences lined up. I don't have any conferences lined
up as of yet, but but it's a little bit
more difficult for me to to get out of Alaska,
especially fly out here during tourist season. But we have

(01:25:30):
to encourage you to check out our our channel on
TikTok as well. As uh as well as YouTube and
and Apple podcasts.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:25:40):
We just had I I was telling you this before
the show. We just had author and filmmaker La Marzouli
on the podcast and and that was always fun. We
were talking about kind of a kind of a sidebar
from the crypto stuff. We were talking about the mysterious
mound builders, the mound builders who created those mounds there

(01:26:03):
in the Midwest. So that was fun. So yeah, check
us out.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
Sounds good man, Yeah, ironically are before at the beginning
show I talked about the Washaa County Jail episode. The
one that we just released before that was the Mounds
Builder episode of Astalin State Park and Kahokia. So I
was down there doing some paranormal research and stuff and
the mounds and energy and stuff, so very very cool.

Speaker 6 (01:26:29):
Yeah, very very interesting. And my hometown is Newark, Ohio,
where we have mounds there and the Great Serpent Mound
is there as well as the octagons and all that,
and so I grew up around these things. So getting
La Marzouli on there to talk about it was a
real honor.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
Very cool, very cool man.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
Well, we have in the show notes, we have the
links to your YouTube channel and to the Facebook page
as well. And after this wraps up here I will
get the links to TikTok and William Lunsford's book for
you as well in the show notes to promote.

Speaker 5 (01:27:05):
That as well.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
So look forward to If you're listening to this on
any audio platform, it will be already there for you.
If you're watching this on YouTube, it'll get updated. So awesome. Man,
any final thoughts, anything you want to leave people with.

Speaker 6 (01:27:21):
Well, again, just if you're in this field, you know,
always be your first skeptic. Always be your first skeptic.
A couple rules that we live by is never speak
in absolutes when it comes to cryptozoology, because if somebody
tells you they know it all, they don't. Number two,

(01:27:44):
never publicly criticize someone else's research or experience just because
it happened hasn't happened to you doesn't invalidate it. And
number three, everybody's theories are just as valid as someone
else is. Wait, that doesn't make sense. Everybody's theories are valid.

(01:28:07):
Everybody's theories are are valid, So always approach it with
an open mind. Be willing to take things under consideration,
even if you don't agree with it be open minded
enough to at least consider it. So yeah, that's what I.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Got, very well, said very well. Indeed, man, it's been
a pleasure chatting with you. I look forward to having
you on again. I think we missed out on talking
about the energy and stuff and the EMF and stuff
that we were kind of mumbling about. Oh right, right, well,
and it's kind of interesting topic, so I'll have to
have you back and chat more on that down the road.

Speaker 6 (01:28:45):
It is. Well, thank you so much for having me on,
and really appreciate it and everything that goes on the Midwest.
Being from the Midwest originally is close to my heart,
so we appreciate researchers like you and your team out
there exploring all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:29:02):
Absolutely stay safe, watch out for bears and snakes and
other poisonous things when you go down down to Arkansas
as well, so you'd be safe.

Speaker 5 (01:29:11):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
Thank you very much. Take care, take care man.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
All right, guys, that is our show for this week.
Coming up on Christmas Day, we will be back here
on the Untold Radio Network for the Paranormal Spectrum. My
guest is my own team member Ellie Wisenzell, coming on
to talk about how you can stay positive and keep
yourself cleansed and safe over all these interactions at social

(01:29:40):
gatherings and stuff and having to go to Walmart and
all your runs and how you can protect yourself and
your energy, and then coming up, flat Rock will be
on my show coming up on Monday, and hopefully I
get the right one, because I honestly, for the first
time today realized.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
There was two of you. So there you go. I
apologize for that, but.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
One of you will be on the show on Monday
live here, and then next Thursday we have Angela's Abel
coming on on New Year's as a recorded episode again
and she will be talking about staying positive and bringing
in positive energy for your new year on the Paranormal Spectrum.
Until next time, guys, thanks for watching. Remember to like, subscribe,

(01:30:27):
and share all things here on the Untold Radio Network.
Go check out William LUNs Ford's new book.

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
I will put that in the show notes.

Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
And check out Daniel's podcast and go like and subscribe
and share all that in the show notes as well.
Until next week, guys, I'll see on the edge

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
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