Paranormal Spectrum #72 Vortex Paranormal with Guest Johnny Vortex

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Hello everybody, and welcome to this week's episode of the
Paranormal Spectrum here on the Untold Radio Network. I am
your host, Barnaby Jones from Cryptids, Anomalies and the Paranormal Society.
Guys coming up this weekend. In fact, immediately following this podcast,
I get top in the car and head down to
Gaze Illinois for Silcon, paranormal, horror, anime, gaming cosplay, and

(03:28):
Cryptids all under one roof woof. I don't know what
I'm doing, All under one wolf. We are going to
be front Street Events Center Gaze, Illinois for Friday and Saturday.
I will be presenting on Saturday, if you guys come
on out. We are also gonna have the Heightened Adventure
Traveling Exhibit on display for those of you guys who

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are interested in seeing and learning all about Bigfoot in
Upper Michigan. It's a unique opportunity to see the exhibit
in person, and it's gonna be a great I'm a
lot of other great guests as well as TV personalities
and television movie, all kinds of stuff, horror, anime, all
that cool stuff. It's gonna be a great weekend. Come

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on out and check it out. Then, guys, next weekend
we head to Van Meter, Iowa for the Van Meter
Visitor Festival Saturday, September twenty seventh. There is a VIP
walking tour on Friday evening, and I believe there's also
one or two walking tours on Saturday led by Chad
Lewis and some of the other speakers there that are

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going to be taking you around the city of Van Meter, Iowa,
showing you all the hot spots where the Van Meter
Visitor had been sighted back in the day. It's pretty
good tour took it the last time that we were
down there. A very interesting Come on out and check
that out if you're in Iowa. And then guys, this October,
we are going to be doing paranormal tours of bean Snappers,

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Wisconsin's premiere haunted gentlemen's club over one hundred years of
haunted history of the building. Tours are available public and private.
You can come out and investigate with your own team
or with group of random people. You can head on
over to Hauntedbeansnappers dot com click on the spooky side
to get all your tickets, or Wisconsincaps dot Com as well.

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Then coming up, you're going to be October sixteenth at
the Shanno County Library, October twenty second at the Brownsville
Public Library, and October twenty fifth at the Nina Public Library.
All these are going to be exploring the paranormal. We're
gonna tell you all about paranormal equipment, how to properly

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use it, what it's actually for, and some other cool
stuff about you know, keeping yourself safe and other things
about paranormal in general. And afterwards we are going to
be doing paranormal investigations of the libraries. So I know
for a fact that the Brownsville Public Library and the
Shano Public Library both have claimed to have paranormal activity.
So we're looking forward to that. Coming up next year,

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Contact Modalities Expo May first, second, and third in Delavan, Wisconsin.
I'm gonna be appearing at that and Fondelac, Wisconsin for
Wisconsin Cryptid's Anomalies, and the Paranormal Convention May eighth through
the tenth. Who that's all we got there, but now guys,
we are live. Lee says, good, good Thursday. Everyone. Hope

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everyone is having a great week. Awesome, Lee, thanks for
joining US, and I can say whoof if I want,
I do not have to drink for that one. Anyway.
All right, guys, on with this show. I'm gonna go
ahead and bring up our guest here. My guest on

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today's show is the one and only Johnny Vortex from
Vortex Paranormal. Johnny is the premiere year scientist, investigator, inventor,
and media personality. He has worked with top tier personalities
and teams across the US and continues to advance paranormal
investigating through science based technology. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome

(07:15):
to the show, Johnny Vortex. Welcome to the show. Johnny.

Speaker 7 (07:19):
Hey, all right, man, that was quite an intro.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
Only the best for you, man. How you doing.

Speaker 7 (07:26):
I am doing great. I'm glad to see there's so
much stuff going on. I had no idea that you
were going to be so busy.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
Oh I am always busy, man, I am always. I
actually got to meet you for the first time at
one of Terry and Danny's events, the Soul and Synergy Exposer.
There big the big one of the year back in god,
I don't remember, January, March, yeah, something like that. It
was early in the year. It was that long ago,
feels like I've known you ever.

Speaker 7 (07:54):
Now it was late enough where I could get the ambulance.

Speaker 6 (07:59):
So, yes, do you want I told you I got
the picture qu'ed up? You want to tell everybody start
out and talk about your ambulance.

Speaker 7 (08:10):
Absolutely. So one of the things I do on the
side is a little Ghostbusters troop for huh customers for
a cause and that that was a well established group.
But I showed up with this old ambulance one day
to a to a group event, and they're like ever

(08:33):
thought of being a Ghostbuster? Like already halfway there, you know.
So I ended up doing a bunch of work on
this thing, getting it all dressed up, and I thought,
you know, why not use it for this kind of
stuff too, make a little uh rolling uh rolling HQ

(08:54):
as it were. So the inside of this bad boy
for paranormal stuff is set up with charging stations, batteries,
review stations. Some of the other things I've got going
on on the side live in there that aren't quite
ready for prime time yet. But if you end up

(09:16):
seeing me on investigation and it's not five below zero,
you'll see that bad boy.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
I'll roll up in that it is a very cool vehicle.
I've seen it in person at the convention that we
were at, and it is definitely definitely unique.

Speaker 7 (09:31):
Man, thank you, And I know the first question is
always what is it? So I'll throw that out right away.
It's a nineteen sixty three Chevrolet Corvet Greenbrier, so it
doesn't mean much to most people, including people who were
around at that time. A lot of people I didn't

(09:52):
know they made Corvet vans. Yep, got two of them,
and one of them is this bad boy. Nice.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
My only my only thought to make it better is
take you see my cursor here might be a little
small on yours, but right back here on this back panel,
I would paint this up into a fin like the
Echdo one. Yes, that'd be it.

Speaker 7 (10:17):
That's the red stripe and moving. It's kind. I love it.
I love it. I painted the whole thing myself, so
I can I can go back and modify whatever I
need to.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
There you go, that'd be cool.

Speaker 7 (10:31):
Love that.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
That'd be cool, Just that little hint of to give
it its own unique spin, but still homage to the.

Speaker 7 (10:39):
To the Echdo absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
All right, all right, enough with enough with the car.
It is super cool man. Uh but uh, tell us
about yourself. How did you get started into the paranormal?
What got you interested in it?

Speaker 7 (10:53):
Oh? My goodness, So I was. I was always a
fan of ghost hunters and stuff, seeing all that on tea,
And it wasn't until I had I started having some minor,
unexplainable experiences and some photographs where I really jumped into

(11:15):
it and started paying more attention to what was going on,
what the state of it, what the state of paranormal
study is. The Hollywood movies helped too. I always like
getting scared a little bit, but it wasn't until maybe
three years ago I went I'm in Minnesota. At that time,

(11:39):
I was right near a Noka, which is the Halloween
capital of the world, which I think that's fairly well known.
That's not just their moniker at this point. But I'm like,
you know what I'm gonna go on. I love tech,
I work in tech. I'm a bit of an inventor,
so I wanted to see what kind of do hickeys

(12:00):
we're out there? Uh. Well, the the first few minutes
he had all of his gear out and I picked
up a rampod. He's like, be careful with that thing.
It's like three hundred dollars. What's three hundred dollars about this?
I could squeeze it and flex it and it was
one of the one of the hockey puck ones. What's

(12:27):
three hundred dollars about this? Immediately that that engineer side
got got going and yeah, I looked in it, took
some photos, did the investigation piece, and did some filming.
I ended up being a filmer for them for a
while after that. But two three months later of sitting

(12:51):
in open cad and doing doing that kind of work,
I released my first rempod. Oh the lighting is pretty rough. Yeah,
this is an empty shell of one. You know, usually
lights and stuff. You can go to Vortex Paranormal dot
com and see them, and go to Vortex Paranormal YouTube

(13:11):
channel and see everything in action or Vortex Paranorm or
Johnny Vortex on Facebook and see some fan photos of
these things. But these were custom designed by me, and
they got such a good response of durability, usability, and

(13:32):
cheap cheap fifty bucks for one of these bad boys,
that I was encouraged to go further and keep designing
new things, keep finding ways to make old things better,
and start going to these events. Gosh, were you at.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
Oh I can't.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
Here's the hotel in southern Minnesota back in January.

Speaker 6 (14:02):
Have not been to Minnesota this year?

Speaker 7 (14:04):
Gotcha? Oh that's a shame, but we well.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
All your friends do invite me there.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
You absolutely that was That was one of the places
where the whole idea for Vortex was really born. Like
you know, I could, I could make a thing out
of this, and a few things felt together. At the
same time, I lost my my day job and some

(14:31):
things started getting getting better and worse. Were Uh, I'm
really uh. I try to be sensitive to what the
world is telling me, and it really looks like it's
telling me to do paranormal trying try to make that
work full time. So all summer I've been throwing myself

(14:52):
into research and development and networking and getting things set up,
got the website set up and all that. So now
it's it's a it's a matter of showing this stuff
off to everyone and continuing the R and D.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
That's always the hard part, right there. So we we
had a lengthy discussion about your your rempods and stuff
and what makes them unique and special? Why don't tell everybody?
Why like you said, you're the other one that you
were looking at where for three hundred dollars flexed in
your hand and just was you know, why, why are
yours better?

Speaker 7 (15:33):
Okay? So the first piece of the vip rempod was
breaking it over and over again. And that's how I think.
On the on the inside it says version seven. We
went through six versions before I was happy enough to
sell the first one. It's it's literally okay, I think

(15:55):
it's good. Now I throw it across the room and
oh god, one of the lights it's popped out. Okay,
go back in retool, set up a little thing behind
the lights so it stays in, and whatever breaks, find
a way where it will not break again. And that
that has been the difference. I'm a klutz. I drop things,

(16:19):
you know. It's it's never the ghost that break my stuff.
It's always me. And looking at a lot of this stuff,
it's delicate. And when you're nobody's in a very nice
victorian home with nice plush places to put stuff, you're
always out in the woods, you're in a graveyard. Stuff

(16:39):
is you know, falling off of the stairs in an
abandoned house. This stuff needs to be tough. I call
it investigation rugged. So this is I'm a three D
designer tinker. So this is three D printed, and it's
if people know three D printing. This is one hundred

(17:00):
percent infill, way overkill, way more than it needs to be.
But it's heavy and it's strong and you can toss
it across the room without breaking anything with that that
little bit of plasty flex. One of the first things
we did the battery compartment here. We put these little

(17:20):
holes in there so you can actually get the battery
compartment out. That was like version number two, Like, oh yeah,
I got a change a battery. Oh crap, how do
I get this out of here? And it seems like
a lot of places just stop research and development. The
other uh, the other part of it was it started

(17:41):
out round, but that's hard to hold on to. And
a buddy of mine had a bottle of bullet bourbon
if you've ever ever seen their bullet whiskey, and he's
talking with his hands and all over the place, and man,
you get a death grip on that bottle. Let me
see that. So this one, the VIP is an oval

(18:05):
so you can grab it and hang on to it,
and even if something jumps in well, you know, you
throw your arms up and jump, you're not gonna let
go of this. This is uh stuck stuck pretty well
to your hands, And it was it was development features
like that that really whenever I show somebody one of

(18:28):
these and get it in front of them, I always
they buy it immediately. When I was in Eau Claire,
I think before I even met you, I had already
they were all gone, all eight of them, seven of
them that I had put together. It's kind of time
intensive to put these things together, but they were all

(18:49):
gone and they were all bought by industry professionals. Not
a huge turnout at that event, so it was mostly
mostly the industry pros, which was a good thing because
I got to spend a lot of time picking the
brain of Jason Hawes and his daughter and husband, so

(19:12):
that was really good. I learned a ton of stuff.
But yeah, as soon as they started, they're like, can
I have one of these? Like handing them out, handing
them out like stickers, Oh what else has been a
recent development on these. One of the first things we did,

(19:34):
what I had done, was watch YouTube videos or TV
shows where they're using the pucks and they'll be talking
and then all of a sudden they screech, like clips
the microphone right just this huge noise. And that's because
the rempods, the little Piezo buzzers are right on top.

(19:55):
They're exposed, and they scream loud, which is great if
you're three four buildings or rooms down and you're listening
for it. But if you're doing a focused investigation where
your inner circle is right there and you're recording, all
it does is clip your microphones. That's one of the

(20:16):
things across all of my designs that I've had to
keep in mind. How does this work on YouTube? How
does this work on film? So the Piezo buzzer is
buried inside, and actually the first one was buried all
the way in, but it was too soft. We got

(20:37):
complaints about that right away from our test guys. Back
into the software and dug out a little hole and
we found the happy medium where you can definitely hear it,
but it doesn't make you go, dad, geez, what the hell.
We're really happy with that where we found that happy medium.

(20:58):
And I say we because for text is now two
three people, but they are they are amazing on live
things and helping me beta test all of my my hardware,
but I try to keep a close close hand on
all of the development the VIP itself. Like I said,

(21:21):
I sell these things for fifty bucks. That includes shipping
I give I put these together in about an hour,
not including the print time. It's like twenty hours to
print this thing because one hundred percent infill, you know,
so on each one, I give myself ten bucks. So's
that's where I come up with the fifty dollars price point.

(21:43):
I don't have a ton of overhead. I'm not some
huge business. I'm not a brick and mortar store, and
it's it's, in my opinion, ridiculous to try to get
rich off of this stuff. You know, I can't. I
can't imagine. The other brands are spending more than thirty
dollars forty dollars on their designs, and so three hundred

(22:05):
dollars is ridiculous. The whole idea of everything I'd built,
and it started with the VIP, was the idea that
good gear should be available to everyone because it's all
about the science, and you can't do good science if
you've got crappy gear. And every time you can do

(22:25):
some good science is another opportunity to prove the existence
of the paranormal, to have the best possible evidence. There's
there's always those top ten questions when you see a video.
First one is always why is this being recorded? What
is the situation? The next thing is what gear are

(22:46):
you using? If you're using I've got an hour long
diatribe about phone apps. Oh yeah, and it's oh boy, yeah.
Anytime I see somebody using a phone app, I just nope,
can't trust can't trust it at all. So you have
to have gear that you can look at and go

(23:07):
there's no shenanigans going on there. And that is That
is the rempod in general, but also very much the VIP.
Just good solid hardware that reminds me of one of
the other pieces, uh nine volt batteries. They start going dead,

(23:27):
they start losing their voltage, they get cold, and all
of a sudden, your rempod's doing weird stuff happens every time.
These have a little monitor in them, and it's just
a little hardware. It shuts off if the voltage gets
too low. Nice so you don't get bad readings, false readings.

(23:49):
If that voltage gets too low, it's done and you
gotta you gotta replace the battery. I've been experimenting with
UH with rechargeable batteries and putting a little lithium pack
in there, but getting properly up to nine volts, and
it's kind of getting in the weeds. But the lithium

(24:13):
polymer packs are three volts. You gotta have three of
them in series to get to nine volts. Things start
getting weird and expensive really fast. So to counteract again
with the questions, right, that's been sitting on the cement,
your battery is probably cold and starting to give you

(24:34):
some weird readings with these with these kits, and everyone
uses the same little red theremin kit in theirs because
it's good science. They are quality, well put together, electronically
good physics. So everyone uses those same things. But they

(24:58):
are very susceptible to low voltage. So in order to
take out the question of well, it's your battery dying,
it wouldn't be working if it was less than nine volts.

Speaker 6 (25:10):
Nice, I want to tell you here, just off the top,
you know, like, okay, so caps we do a lot
of stuff, like you said, we we go out in
the woods, we do paranormal, we do UFO, we do everything,
and we've gotten a run out of our rampods and stuff.
And uh, we have three of the red and black

(25:31):
ones that everyone pretty much knows, you know, and all
three of them I have had to cut the top
off of and fix all the buttons because they've all
pressed in on the top of them.

Speaker 7 (25:47):
They're just glued in.

Speaker 6 (25:48):
Yeah, they're three shoddily made. I mean for if you
just you know, run of the mill, you know, doing
you know, for fun or something. It's it's not a
big deal, it's gonna last you whatever the heck keeps yet,
but you're also paying three hundred some dollars. Like you said,
I think they're I think they're like two fifty or
something that go stop away, are they? I don't know.

Speaker 7 (26:08):
Deal.

Speaker 6 (26:09):
Yeah, but uh, like I said, I've had to fix
all three of mine. And uh, if I didn't already
own so many of them, I would definitely have several
of yours as well. But uh I I uh yeah,
did I give you one at.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
The at the at eau Claire can't send anyone if
you've got if you've got a bunch of different ones.
My favorite thing is sending them out to people who
are out in the woods and using the hell out
of them, and uh, just getting reports back, comparing and
contrasting the ones they've already got. It hasn't a kind

(26:46):
of a kind of a humble brag a little bit,
but uh, the ones I've sent out so far, the
data hasn't been very useful because it's been Yeah, I
can't kill this thing. I don't know what to tell you.
Nothing's broke yet. I'll like, you know, if it does.
But yeah, that's excellent, excellent. Drag it behind the truck

(27:09):
on the way there. You know, my test one looks
like I looks like I've been bouncing it down the
road behind the van. Always always looking for more data,
more compare and contrasts. So do you have like group
colors or anything. I have a group logo, group logo,

(27:30):
all right. I can print these bad boys in any color. Obviously,
one of the one of the groups out in the
Dakota is their thing is orange. So this is one
of the shells that I wasn't super happy with, so
I ended up printing it again. But I keep it
as a color color idea. You know, very very much.

(27:53):
We're getting into spoopy season, big big orange, like that
is is really popular. Also, you're not gonna lose this
in the woods. You could see this across somebody's yard,
no problem. And that's pretty much why they wanted it,
because they kept leaving gear out, like you're not gonna
leave this. You're gonna you're gonna see that as you're

(28:14):
driving away.

Speaker 6 (28:17):
You've got a color scheme that's just black and white,
you know, so.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
Okay, I I definitely have white and we we can.
We can figure something out with the logo too.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
That'd be awesome. I would love that. Oh yeah, all right,
so uh yeah, that's that's really cool. But like I said,
I I really do. When I was talking to you
back in Jane, Oh Claire, where did we de saye?

Speaker 7 (28:39):
This was Claire, oh Claire.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
We were having a discussion before the show, and I
told him that, oh Claire, Janesville and Lacrosse I get
mixed up, even though one of them is at the
bottom of the state and I I never know where
I am. So yeah, oh Claire. But uh when we
were talking there, like I, like I said, I really
I really did like your your designed with that, and
that's amazing, you know, like you you test it and
went through all that rigor with it, because nowadays, no

(29:05):
matter what you buy, if it's a television, if it's
a washer, refrigerator, whatever, it's built to be replaceable. And
it is so refreshing to have somebody say, I'm going
to make this thing to last you, and this is
the last one you're ever gonna need, you know, And
that is so much better than having to buy a
new piece of equipment every couple of months because it's
always breaking down and stuff. So that I got to

(29:27):
commend you on that that that you've gone the opposite
way and really taken that as something really important.

Speaker 7 (29:32):
So thank you. It's funny you mentioned refrigerators. If I
got my camera off in my house here, my main
refrigerator is a nineteen forty nine General Electric. For that
that same reason, spent five hundred dollars on a new fridge.
Two years later, your replaced irreplaceably busted. You know, I

(29:59):
can get in to replace capacitors on boards and stuff.
It was just absolutely shot. So out the door went
that and this seventy year old fridge. And I've had
no maintenance require, you know, nothing to do except clean
it off and plug it in. And it hums right
along and doesn't use any more electricity than the newer ones.

(30:23):
That's just I try to bring that to the to
the paranormal space as well.

Speaker 6 (30:28):
No, absolutely absolutely, I mean I keep telling people they
know like vehicles and stuff. Right now, if my car
goes out, I'm gonna buy myself an old, old vehicle
that doesn't have a computer in it, because I have
a nineteen seventy four hearse and I'm start driving that
thing around. It's gonna suck gas mileage, but it is
gonna be a lot easier to fix. So for sure,

(30:51):
all in the engine of that thing.

Speaker 7 (30:53):
So my workhorse vehicle is a Mini Vans minivan yep
and feel injected so you don't have to worry about
the carbureters. But anything that goes wrong is right on
the surface. My parents still drive their two thousand Saturn

(31:13):
they brought bought brand new forty five miles to the gallon.
Absolutely nothing to go wrong. It needs. It needs new
wheel bearings every two hundred thousand miles or on their
third set. Nice they're they're well over half a million
miles on that thing. But my yeah, I can work

(31:34):
on the old stuff. Obviously, that that ambulance needs a blood,
sweat and tears sacrifice two three times this season in
order to make it work.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
If you're just tuning in, this is the ambulance again
for anybody. Things amazing, So you know that's what we're
talking about. I love it, I love it. I got
That's why I had to have it in here. I
thought was cool. So anybody that's just tuning in, now
you get to see this thing. Awesome you all right?
So moving on here. The rempod isn't the only thing
that you've designed made? What else you got cooking up?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Right?

Speaker 7 (32:08):
So as soon as the rempod came out, I started
going to these different events and people would come out,
have you seen this thing before? What can you do
with this? And one of the most recent was the
dead bells. And I know places like Ghost Stop they
do their own kind of dead bell where it's it's
just another rempod, it's using those electromagnetic theoreman kits. But

(32:35):
that's not what the dead bell started out as. The
idea was it was a motion sensor. And I'm in
order to explain that a little better, I'll grab one
of the sensors. So that's these little guys, these PID sensors,

(32:59):
and it's literally just a tiny little motion sensor in there.
If you have one of those outdoor floodlights, that's what
those use. I don't know who came up with it
or what the original deal was, but every one of
them I've ever seen just doesn't work. It doesn't it

(33:22):
doesn't work right, or it doesn't work at all. And
I've found a lot of the reason. I'm gonna get
kind of in the weeds with this a little bit,
but the reason is those PID sensors are meant to
stay on for an extended amount of time, you know,
thirty seconds, a minute, and then shut off and have
a short window in which they won't trigger, and then

(33:47):
they reset and then they're ready to be triggered again.
So if you're doing something with a bell and asking questions,
you get to wait a minute between questions. You don't
get a a feed any feedback that it's ready to
go again, and if you're sitting in front of it,

(34:10):
any movement of yours is going to set it off.
They don't explain this, they don't explain how it works,
why it works, there's no operating instructions. They're glad to
happy to take your money and hand you this fun
looking wooden box with a bell on top, and you've
got to figure out what to do. You can't do

(34:33):
good science if a you don't know how your stuff works,
and b it doesn't work. A very limited use case
for that. So I actually spent I've got a friend
who knows enough Chinese to help me dig through Ali
Baba and these component places. This is a PID sensor,

(34:55):
the only one on the market that's adjustable. This is
it's made for manufacturers to stick in there in their
retail devices and adjust to their liking. So I turn
the amount of time it's on all the way down,
it's like one or two seconds, and then I turn

(35:17):
the time that it needs to relay off, so right
away it's ready to hit again. Like I said, two
to three seconds between. Now, all these things work to
actually hit the bell is with a little solenoid, so

(35:40):
when that hits, the electricity goes through it, ding it
physically hits the bell. That's rough when it's staying on
for thirty forty seconds, because that solenoid is activated the
entire time. I don't have it here. It's probably a

(36:00):
dick move to show off other people's stuff.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
So, but.

Speaker 7 (36:06):
I was asked to fix a couple from this other
group and it's all like hot glued in there and
like with these rough holes cut out and stuff. But
this is one of the solenoids that I use. It's
low voltage enough where I don't have to do a
bunch of shenanigans, but they're they're glued into the case.

(36:28):
So I three D designed and printed this little solenoid
holder and it sits inside the bell and screws down
through the holes. I've actually got one of my dead
bell initial designs here and I'll pull the top of
the bell off. You can see that the solenoid. This

(36:55):
is probably not amazing view, but you can see that
the solenoid sits right inside the bell and is bolted
down through the top of the case, holding both the
bell and the solenoid together. So this is rock solid.
This isn't going anywhere. You can drop that and it's

(37:16):
always going to hit and it hides under the bell.
The bells are like a dollar fifty on Amazon. I
had no idea they were so cheap. Of part of
making these things is repeatability. So I found these boxes.

(37:37):
They've got a tree of life on the top that
ends up getting the bell drilled through it for the
pagan folks who are really into that kind of thing.
And then obviously blank inside for these. But again with

(37:59):
the three D print modeling, you can see a pattern
here the battery pack and then the if I got
one sitting here, there's a little relay that sits in here.
Everything is accessible. You can see exactly what it's doing,

(38:20):
exactly what's going on, and that really just helps. It
helps work out some voltage issues, so you get a
good hard ding. Again, really hard to find the exact
correct voltages for this stuff. Thank you to my friend
who speaks Chinese and could help me actually find the
exact right stuff. You open up other ones and everything's

(38:45):
just kind of in there and glued down, and wires
are twisted together and soldered together so on to make
sure there was a good presentation on all these so
if you needed to open something up for some reason,
you can pull the whole thing out, look at the
wiring in the back and see if something happened, or

(39:08):
if you're just curious as to how they work. So
I'm really confident at this point that I have put
the dead bell together in a way that not only
keeps the original premise of having a motion sensor, but
also in a way that's useful and repeatable and investigation rugged.

(39:32):
Like everything I try to do, this one's not quite
done yet. I've got the holes drilled out for the
sensor and switch. But yeah, this one's not quite ready
to go. But the technology is solid and there. And
again a couple hundred dollars for these things. Usually I

(39:53):
make those for fifty. I'm gonna be selling them for sixty,
just not free shipping, because hey, you know, look at
the price on something and oh okay, yeah I can
afford that, and then shipping, you know, it comes out
from left field. So I try. I never shard shipping

(40:15):
on anything. Sometimes I end up that ends up biting me.
If somebody in the middle of a Hawaiian volcano wants
one and they got a helicopter it into them or something,
that that bites me. But I I'd rather I'd rather
not have people sneak up prices be surprised by prices. God, yeah,

(40:40):
that's that's been the big thing lately, is working on
those dead bells.

Speaker 6 (40:45):
Well, how come you kind of you kind of mentioned
that you wanted to go with the motion sensor back
to the way it originally was. But why that instead
of the EMF trigger.

Speaker 7 (40:57):
Because we've already got rempods and there they're exactly what
they need to be. And if you if you want
to trigger off of VMF, you've got the rempod or
there's some fellows out there doing some really cool stuff
with toys where they're building rempods into toys as trigger objects.

(41:22):
But the more different ways of triggering the better. And
I figured if I could find a way to make
this motion sensor work, that would be a really good
addition to the arsenal. Another way to come at.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
It, could you, if somebody wanted, could you make a
dead bell with different types of triggers, absolutely the M
trigger or a you know, like the shadow detector, which
would probably be basically the motion sensor anyway.

Speaker 7 (41:54):
But yes, yeah, these as long as whatever it gives
out in this form factor in this way, As long
as it gives out some kind of voltage when it triggers,
I can take that voltage bucket up and have this
have it hit the solenoides. And I'm not afraid to

(42:20):
tell you if something isn't going to work and explain why. So,
if if somebody's got a really crazy trigger, I definitely
evaluate it, look at it, figure out what it's doing,
and if I can actually make it trigger somewhat usably.

(42:43):
I can't think of any examples right now of ones
that don't work, but if it's if it's coming out
of my lab, it's something that's been deeply thought about.
So if you got any ideas, if anybody listening has
an the ideas, I am all ears, and we could
definitely work together to make a really good piece of equipment.

(43:07):
And hey, if it if it gives off some voltage,
we can definitely use these boxes and these setups.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
Cool, I know. Uh The reason I ask is I
know my mom has been looking at the dead bell
and as you said, there have we we do uh?
As I said in the beginning of the show, we
do the paranormal tours of of the Gentlemen's Club and stuff,
and we have a lot of groups come through with
different equipment, and I get a chance to watch all
their equipment and stuff. And I have found and heard

(43:35):
nothing but bad reviews on these dead bells, and uh so,
but my mom w I once, so I'm I'm looking
at seeing. Uh, we'll be in touch after this weekend.

Speaker 7 (43:44):
Like I said, I gotta leaven do stuff, but we'll
talk to you for this weekend and see sounds good.
They're so cool that wouldn't box no with the with
the bell and it just seems to ding on its own.
It's really cool TV stuff. It's very fun. These things
are enorogenic, yep. And it's a trigger object. And the

(44:07):
people who put these together have really cool ornate boxes
and they're doing some really really fun stuff that looks great.
But I'm not so much. You know, every everything I
do looks good because I'm always thinking of YouTube, you know,
of filming. But it's more about the usability. We're trying
to do science and so if it if it looks

(44:31):
good but doesn't work for anything, then it's for for
entertainment purposes only, you know, And you might as well
be using your phone and using the the the scary
noises for everything.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
Lee Warner says, gets your attention, and most old spirits
recognize a bell, And that's that's absolutely true.

Speaker 7 (44:55):
Yes, that is a great point. Some of many times
I hear here come talk to the camera in my
hand and It's like, this guy died in eighteen fifty,
what the hell is a camera and we're not even
sure that they can see us, much less whatever do

(45:16):
hickeys we're holding. One of the big things in the
book I've been writing about Proper Investigation Protocol reminds readers
that you get to come at it on their level.
If they died in nineteen thirty, they probably know what
a radio is. They've probably seen some of the some
of the radio casts, or at least the talkie picture,

(45:39):
you know, the moving pictures. So you get to come
at it from that way. Hey, I know this thing
looks real small, but we get you know, we get
this back to the boys at the lab and they'll
be able to put it on tape and hear your voice.
You know, we're down here from the from the newspaper.
We want to see who else is here this little

(46:00):
do hickey? Oh boy, come at it from a way
they might understand.

Speaker 6 (46:05):
You know, I love the people at walking and like, hey,
can you go over and touch the rempod?

Speaker 7 (46:10):
The hell is that?

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (46:11):
Like I'm just just sitting there going man, do you
do you even know what you're doing? You know, like
the little thing with the red light and the antenna there.
Now we're getting something. No, that's that's understandable, that's you know, okay.
But anyway, moving on, So we're talking about also like
some of these phone things and apps and stuff that

(46:32):
we don't like. Right, I agree with you one hundred
percent there. But you have a new piece of software
that you've designed. You want to talk all about that, okay.

Speaker 7 (46:42):
So everyone's fairly familiar with the SLS cams at this point,
using the old Xbox three sixty connect, which I'm still
working on the Xbox one version. But the drivers are
really terrible. The drivers are terrible, So if you have one,
or if you've used one, the software is absolutely garbage. Everybody,

(47:07):
including the folks on the big TV shows, they're using
the software development Kit and the custom or the reference
programs inside there. When you download the development kit, it
gives you examples of how to use the different features

(47:28):
of the camera, and one of them is the skeleton
maker with a background. Everybody's like, good enough, I'll just
load this up and we'll just use that, and then
they complain that, man, we can't record this. It eats
up battery life, it doesn't work real well, the frames

(47:53):
per second, the frame rates really low, and nobody else,
nobody's gone out and really create tried to create some
software for this, when that's what the development kit is
for making software. So I sat down over a weekend
and came up with this. So I don't know how

(48:15):
long to be able to hold this up or if
that's a good TV or not. You can see so
it is just an executable program. It's a couple of
megabytes in size. And you can see the camera in
its own window, and the controls to the to the

(48:39):
to the right or left there, depending which way you're looking.
But there's a few different reasons that I did that.
So with the control side of things, you can see
that there's a record button, start, record, stop record. All

(48:59):
that does is record the screen, not the desktop, not
the controls, just that piece of the screen, and it
drops it down into an MP four file, which is
really really important for a review later, so you don't
have a bunch of weird crap going on. You can

(49:20):
obviously the niceties, you can choose where it goes and
all that, but why one of the first questions was
why an entirely separate screen. Well, a lot of people
use OBS YEP, and OBS allows you to capture a
specific window, so if you've got just this as its

(49:45):
own window, you don't have to capture all of this
as well. You just get what's on the screen. And
that was one of the first things that was mentioned
as a oh man, it'd be nice if I could
just load that into OBS without having all the extra
stuff going on, so it gets its own window that

(50:08):
can also be moved. And this is something that is
still very experimental. This little guy. It's a projector little
battery powered projector. You line this up with your SLS

(50:29):
CAM and you project the output of the SLS cam
back onto the wall where it's pointing. You know you
got it lined up because everything is all together now
you see on the software it's a show color feed.

(50:50):
You turn that off and the background disappears. All you're
left with is the green skeleton if it pops up.
So now well you've got the output projecting back onto
itself onto the wall, and then you shut that off.

(51:10):
All you're left with is the green skeleton. So when
that skeleton shows up, it is projected to exactly where
it is on the wall, so you don't have to
rely on somebody looking at the screen and going, hey,
there's something right next to you. You see it right
next to you. You see it move back and forth

(51:33):
or up and around, and you can interact with it
because you're visually seeing it projected onto the wall.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
That is.

Speaker 7 (51:43):
Some extra hardware. And I'm still working on getting it
just right and working on a mount so that projector
will sit and just be sited in right every time.
But I really think that this is the first time
talking about it, that that is going to really change

(52:03):
not only how we use the SLS, but also how
we interact with it and how we record it. That
makes the really compelling television. Oh yeah, when you can like, oh,
stand there and oh is there anything doing? What's going on?
But if you can holy crap, this thing that I

(52:24):
could see this standing right next to me and you
can interact with it and play with it and figure
things out that that's just entertaining right there, Like you're
doing good entertaining science.

Speaker 6 (52:38):
That is amazing. Now, let me ask you this, because
I know you're a tech guy and we got to
figure these things out together. So how do you compensate
for the size variable? So, like, let's say you're in
a room like a ten foot room, and this thing
is in the front of the room, so it's really close,
and you're projecting it obviously all the way to the

(52:59):
back of the room them onto a solid surface. So
this thing is gonna instead of being like a three
foot child, is going to be a seven foot monster
in the back on the on the wall.

Speaker 7 (53:12):
That is one of the things that we're still trying
to work out is how to how to change that.
There's no real good nothing in the API in the
development kit for changing that size relative to depth. So

(53:32):
that really is one of the big things. Luckily with
this with this three sixty camera, unluckily because it doesn't
help much. There's not much depth there. There's only two
or three stages of depth. Yeah, so if you if
you look at a lot of the of the recordings,

(53:55):
it kind of looks like it's always back on the
wall anyway. There's nothing really super forward. That's because the
three point sixty wasn't really meant to do death. That
was supposed to be a two axis thing. But that
is absolutely consideration. If something is forward, it will project larger.

Speaker 6 (54:16):
Yeah, that's a good point though, because your your SLS
camera only goes out I want to say, maybe ten
maybe fifteen feet to pick up that range. So I
think that part of the implement implicate the implementing it.
In a investigating scenario, you would set up that scenario

(54:39):
where you have a flat wall or something, or the
background of it is only ten fifteen feet away, and
you would kind of compensate for that size variable because
whatever you're looking at, you're looking at the whole wall,
and you're seeing it on the wall, so right.

Speaker 7 (54:57):
Right, and that feature, that piece of a it is
really only meant to be used if somebody else is
also in front of the camera, right. You really wouldn't
use this if you were just setting it up looking
down a hallway, you know, and and with nobody around.
So very highly experimental, uh and and something that that

(55:22):
the future will will glean more use from when we
when we figure out some of these quirks, and it
might just be, like you said, working around it, know
the limitation, know the software, and overcome that with a
with a physical solution.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
I love that. I I there's a couple of things
that I hate. I hate spirit boxes. I think there's
a lot of audio paradolia. You hear what you want.
And I really like the ESTUS method. I think it
takes a lot out of there. And I really don't
like the SLS camera because people use them and they
don't know how to use them. They walk around with them,

(56:03):
they carry them around places, and you're constantly It's not
made for that. It's made to sit in one spot
and be used. And I think that your technology that
you're working on here is fixing my dislike of the SLS.
It's putting that in a stationary position that you have
to have it in, and it's giving you that the

(56:25):
ability to interact, like you said, real time with whatever
is there, because as you said too, you're not going
to put your device looking down a hallway and have
someone monitor it. It's a waste of what it is.
You know, it's going to be there to have that
personal interaction that's one on one of somebody saying, hey,
can you come here, can you touch my hand? Can
you do this? You know, and have that interaction. I

(56:48):
think that's absolutely taking that of knowing what your equipment does,
how to use it, and using it for that purpose.

Speaker 7 (56:57):
Absolutely. I don't think there's anything wrong with leaving it
set up as a stationary camera, especially if you're in
just in and off a room off to the side,
might be able to see things coming in and out.
But yeah, definitely leaving it in one spot is the
most important part. I don't see it sitting here because

(57:20):
the previous tablet broke. But I had put together a
thing where the tablet and the camera and the guts
are all in one piece, and I purposefully made it
difficult to carry because I would loan this thing out
and people would be like this trying to carry it

(57:40):
around with them, like, no, that's not what it's made for.
There's a I guess not in that in the bottom
of most cameras there's that threaded hole so you can
stick it on a tripod that is very brightly colored.
In the bottom of my SLS set up and the

(58:01):
bottom is flat. It is everything screens set me down
in one place because it is difficult to carry around
that's supposed to be set there and plugged in somewhere
if you at all possibly can. That's the other thing
with the SLS cams is they just suck juice. They
suck power down. But this software that I.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
Don't do it with a tablet I have it on
my laptop, So the laptop has to be plugged into
the wall. The SLS sits in front of it. You
can aim it and do whatever you want with it,
and it runs the like you said, the OBS screen
recorder software right there too, so it saves it to
the hard drive, so you cannot walk around with my
SLS either.

Speaker 7 (58:49):
That is a great segue into the last piece of
the software. It's free. It's free. It's ready to go,
Vortex Paranormal. Click on the SLS link, download it, you
download it, put it on any Windows machine. It just
runs on any Windows machine. It's super lightweight, and it's

(59:13):
super It's a generic dot net program, so it doesn't
matter what version of Windows you've got. It doesn't matter
what machine it's on, as long as it's running Windows,
your golden I've been working on an Android platform version,
but that starts really getting weird as far as drivers

(59:36):
for the whole thing. But as of right now, any
laptop Window Intel based, you know, Windows tablet, anything like that,
plug in and go and the program just works.

Speaker 6 (59:54):
It's awesome. Now, one of the let me ask you this,
as far as your software goes with the OBS and
the Developer Kit software. I have problems with that doing
a live stream. So I can bring up shared screen
and stuff on here and stream it through stream uh
stream yard, which is what we're on right here. Can

(01:00:14):
I do that with yours?

Speaker 7 (01:00:17):
Absolutely? This the window that that secondary window m is
its own named object on the screen. So if you've
got this up and you you open up OBS, you
can stream just that window.

Speaker 6 (01:00:37):
Awesome. Is it the stupidly reversed like it is on
the developer software or is it straight to straight?

Speaker 7 (01:00:45):
That was a flag. I had to flip in the
software to get it to yelp to flip correctly.

Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
So you're correctly yep.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Awesome.

Speaker 7 (01:00:57):
Look at you and with if you're live streaming, of
course that's to some thing. But you said, uh, with
your laptop, you would set that down and use OBS
to record it. Yep, No need to waste the battery.
This just records. You can hit start recording. When you
hit stop, it shoots out an MP four file and

(01:01:20):
you've got just your output.

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
That's awesome. That is awesome. I tell you what when I, uh,
when I get back from this weekend, because that's all
I can think about right now. We're gonna We're gonna
be having a long discussion me and you and we
are going to uh test out that software because I
really like that. One of the things I wanted to do.
We we do like live Halloween specials and stuff every
year for CAPS and I wanted to do the SLS

(01:01:45):
as one of the feeds last year and it would
not do it. I could not get it to work
and uh with the programming and stuff. So definitely have
to give that a new try this year.

Speaker 7 (01:01:56):
So absolutely. And I I look around looking for my
other box, but I just don't see it. You talked
about spirit boxes, yeah, and how those are kind of
kind of iffy, a lot of audio paradolia. One of
my big questions about spirit boxes was how do you

(01:02:19):
know something's not just stop stopping the seek function on
the radio for a second, Because that's how SEK functions
work in radios. It stops on active stations for just
a little bit so you can hear, oh yeah, I
like that, and you can stop. That function is disabled

(01:02:44):
in the in the spirit box radios, but there's no
way to disable that momentary stop. You can keep it
from stopping all together, but it's still going to hitch
every once in a while. I've got a video out

(01:03:07):
on this as well. I created. There's a lot of
small radios, eight small radios. Each one is tuned hopefully
you've got wherever you're at, you've got less than that
many radio stations active. You tune each one to a
currently active radio station. That's all piped in through USB

(01:03:29):
to a recording software and it records every active channel
at the same time time synced to your spirit box
on another channel, so they're all being recorded all at
the same time. So if you get something going yes
on your spirit box, you can go back and see

(01:03:50):
exactly what was on the radio on every single active
channel at that time. Either it either goes tells you okay,
you know there's something was saying yes on this channel.
It probably picked that up for a second, or it's

(01:04:12):
incredibly compelling. Hey, none of the active radio stations had
this word on it at this time. We can count
out those stations, and that's time I've been working on
like four or five years. Still expense issues and reliability issues,

(01:04:37):
so I'm not quite ready to throw that out into
the world yet. But when you mentioned spirit boxes, I
wanted to throw that out there at some point. The
tech is so good I can't improve on the like
SB seven and nothing I can do. There's some really custom,
really good hardware. But what I can do is help

(01:05:00):
check it. I can create things that help solidify the
data and help check against these common questions.

Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
Very cool man. Well, I would love to stay in
chat with you, but as I said, I have to
leave for Illinois here, so I gotta I gotta wrap
up here at the top of the hour for my sake.
But it's it's been awesome. If anybody has any last
minute questions for Johnny before we wrap the show up,
throw them in the comments section here and we will
get them in. Lee just says that you are a genius,

(01:05:32):
so hopefully your your head still fits through the doorway
after That's right. Uh but uh, where where can people
find you? Again? We got everything in the show notes,
but remind everybody where they can get your equipment, download
the software, and order some awesome gear.

Speaker 7 (01:05:50):
Got you Johnny Vortex on Facebook and Instagram. I'm always
always down to have a conversation and learn some new stuff.
Vortex normal dot com. I'm not terribly well updated right now,
still getting that going, but you can you can buy
a vip rempod off there and you can download the software,

(01:06:12):
the SLS software from there. After Etsy like blacklisted me.
Somebody went through whoever owns rempod the trademark to that
went through and cleared Etsy. So I haven't sold a
darn thing on Etsy in probably six months after selling
two or three of them a week, But it's still

(01:06:34):
up there on Etsy. Vortex if you want to go
that route, I'm a little safer, a little more guarantee there,
and that's just fine. And Vortex Paranormal on YouTube, although
I think there's only like one entire thing set up.
We're doing. Yeah, we're the whole idea is to create

(01:06:54):
a somebody copyright, but we're in a totally different thing
called ghost Geer calling it Ghost Deer parapod. And it's
these short bites ten to fifteen minute episodes of hey,
what is a rempod? How do they work? What are
some of the weird shenanigans with them? And I go

(01:07:15):
through a piece of gear. Every episode cuts down nice
into shorts and stuff. So here what's this piece about?
You can go in and get a short little blurb
on how it works, how it was used, where it
was started, who invented it and how they work? After
this summer, I was in EMT school all summer. I

(01:07:39):
just graduated here a couple of weeks ago, so now
I'm full fledged EMT. I'm feel like I'm a little
more allowed to drive that ambulance now. But I'm hoping
to really get things fired up on the YouTube channel
and start doing some debunkings of popular videos and getting

(01:08:01):
that ghost gear off the ground.

Speaker 6 (01:08:03):
That's awesome. That is awesome. You got any events coming up?
Are you gonna be at any other conventions or anything
selling equipment and talking to people?

Speaker 7 (01:08:11):
There will be one just after Christmas, But I'm not
super in tune with the things that are going on
in the area, especially if I'm taking that van to something.
I got like a two to three hour drive limit.
But if I'm just showing up in the minivan, you
know I can. I can make it anywhere. But no,

(01:08:33):
if you've got any ideas or any recommendations for places
for me to show up, I would absolutely love to.
I just don't hear about these things. There we go.

Speaker 6 (01:08:49):
Mayn twenty twenty six. There you go, cap Cos, there
you go. Absolutely well. Awesome, man, It is absolutely uh
see even Lee Lee even told you you got to
come to Wisconsin caps gun there you go, all right,
but yeah, so I will. I will be in touch

(01:09:09):
after the this weekend, like you said. But so awesome
talking to you. I mean we haven't even gotten into
any like uh you you obviously do investigations right like you. Yeah,
we didn't even get to talk about any of that stuff.
So we will. We will definitely have you on board
and stuff and have you back and uh we'll chat more. Man,
that's been great.

Speaker 7 (01:09:29):
I'd love to be back. Thank you for having me
and taking your taking your time for some nobody like me.
Oh yeah, some no name fella.

Speaker 6 (01:09:39):
I think that your your gear is really cool seeing
it in person and chatting with you when I met you,
and I think that everyone should take a chance and
and look at what you got because like you's like
I said, not not bragging or trying to inflate your
head or anything, but I'm so sick of people that
make disposable stuff. You know, everything is cheaply made, get
it done, get it made. And you know your rempod

(01:10:01):
from from somebody that uses them all the time, and
that they break. They're you know, constantly need repair and stuff,
and it's so nice to have something that doesn't break,
that has that durability and stuff. Finally, so highly recommend
your stuff man, So thank you. Awesome.

Speaker 7 (01:10:18):
All right, have a good trip Illinois.

Speaker 6 (01:10:21):
Hopefully I will Yeah, Illinois and then Iowa next weekend.
So awesome. I look forward to chatting with you. We'll
be in touch and uh, take care man, take care.
All right, guys. That is our show for this week.
Thank you all for tuning in. Go check out Johnny
Vortex's equipment at Vortex Paranormal dot com. I believe, and

(01:10:45):
that's in the show notes, so if I'm wrong, check
it out. In the show notes. The links for the Facebook,
YouTube and website are all there for you to click
on and check out and get yourself your own ghost
bell and vip rempod. So good. We're definitely have to
have Johnny back on here to talk more about his
paranormal experiences because he is an investigator as well, and

(01:11:05):
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(01:11:26):
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(01:11:46):
I will see you later and I'm off to Illinois.
Remember we're all part of the paranormal spectrum. Take care,
be well, and I'll see you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
You seem to know, don't.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Let's call me don okay and tell me way yes please,
I'm not that's all that you think, streets. I'm Baes.
Sit in the room and I can feed it. I'm
a ard kay, I'm bringing under anyway. I'm a Hurricaine

(01:12:23):
if you can in college, I'm a Hurrycaine, always some
something not gain it. I'm a Hurdycaine. I'm trying to
tell him away