Paranormal Spectrum #74 Swedenborg, Cryptids, and Ghosts with guest Robert Galvin

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Good morning everybody, and welcome to this week's episode of
The Paranormal Spectrum here on the Untold Radio Network. I
am your host, Barnaby Jones from Cryptids, Anomalies and the
Paranormal Society. We got a great show here for you
today and we are live. That's right, Lee Warner, Happy
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Lee says, good morning Flat Rockland as well, and welcome
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We will get to them as soon as we can.
All right, guys, it is October and you know what
that means. It is spooky season and we are doing

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paranormal investigations of Wisconsin's premiere Haunted Gentlemen's Club. This building
has been in existence for over one hundred years. One
of the town's original buildings in Mackville, Wisconsin. It's served
as the original post office, blacksmith shop, dance hall and bar, tavern,
and general store, so it has a quite a long history.

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It has four recorded tragic deaths in the building, as
well as two fires. The building was passed down for
four generations before finally being sold in nineteen ninety three
outside of the family to its current owners Bean Snappers. So, guys,
we are doing public and private tours of the Gentlemen's
Club if you'd like to come out and investigate with

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the team. Tickets are going fast now. Almost all of
our Sundays have been sold. We still have a few
on there also available Mondays and Tuesdays when the club
is closed, but private investigations for your team are available
as well. So if you'd like to come out and
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com and check it all out. Then, guys, if you're
looking for even more spooky stuff, we are going to
be at the Shanno County Library on October sixteenth, the
Brownsville Public Library on October twenty second, and the Nina
Public Library on October twenty fifth. All of these presentations
are exploring the paranormal. We are going to talk to

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you about all things paranormal, how to safely do an investigation,
the different types of hauntings and how to properly use
your paranormal equipment. After these presentations, we are going to
be doing live investigations of the libraries. So it is
the Shannel Library and the Brownsville Library have both expressed
to me different areas of the building that actually have

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had paranormal activity, so they are actually haunted. The Nina
Public Library, I don't know yet. Well, we're gonna have
to find out. So if you guys want more information,
head to wisconsincaps dot com and click on the public
events tab. That's it for this year. Coming up next
year contact modalities Expo May first, second, and third and
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as we get closer on that, but we are live.
Welcome Grandizer as well to the show. Thank you for
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the comment section and we'll get to them as soon
as we can. But now, ladies and gentlemen, we are
going to introduce our guest for today's show. All right, guys,

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my guest today is Robert Galvin. He is a paranormal researcher,
a ghost hunter, cryptid and Swedenborg enthusiast. He helps with
the podcast Channeling Chavez and recently volunteered for the ia
NDS convention on nd ease. We'll have to get into that.

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He is also he got into paranormal at a young age,
listening to Coast Ghost AM and reading tales of the
rip DIDs from his local library. Please welcome to the show, Robert, Robert,
thanks for being here.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
Awesome man. So let's let's start with how did you
how did you get into this?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Like?

Speaker 6 (07:16):
What what all do you do? You do the paranormal research,
you're a researcher in general, what what got you started
at all this?

Speaker 4 (07:26):
So it was kind of a gradual thing, but it did.
It did immediately begin with Coast to Coast AM. My
father would actually listen to it every night when you go.
It help him go to sleep, you know. And I
just found the topics that would be presented on them
so fascinating.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
Now.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
I grew up more with George Nori because he kind
of took over once ar Bell left, So that was
kind of when I started listening to it. But they
would have what was that block where they'd show ar
Bell somewhere in time, I think it was called So
I'd hear reruns of our Bell's show, and man, I
mean both. I actually think both a great interviewer. But
I really liked the art Bell episodes. Those are always

(08:03):
so fascinating to me. What was it John Teeter that
the Time Traveler, that there are just so many good
episodes that he's done. And then eventually, you know, I
got into like Bigfoot, I got into all these obscure cryptids.
What really helped me with that was my local library.
You know, I was a kid at the time. In
the children's section, they actually had some cryptid books for kids,

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and one of them was Tales of the Cryptids, and
man I I I rented that out of the library
so many times. I think my parents paid late fees
on it, actually a few times. But I was so
fascinated by all these like weird animals, Mokela and Membe,
Damila and Ntuca, and I was like, you know, what,
what are these things like? Are these you know? Are

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these real?

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Are they?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
You know?

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Because I know the Seila canth that's the famous story
right where, you know, we weren't sure if it existed
or not, or I should say it was in the
fossil record, and then just one day out of the
blue of fisherman finds it. And it's just really exciting
to look at like the lackmus monster, like Champlain and
all these cryptids and think like, is there a chance
there's something actually out there, you know, something that's a

(09:09):
bit more fantastical. I mean even even the platypus that
was a very extravagant and bizarre looking animal, and no
one believed when it was reported that it existed. They
thought it was mythology until they actually found some alive.
I mean if you described to someone like a mammal
that had a duct bill and laid eggs and the
males had like venom that they'd prick each other with,

(09:30):
and no one would believe you until you actually found it.
So that was kind of what got my start into
the paranormal. But the ghost hunting didn't happen until I'd
say it started almost ten years ago now, but it
didn't really get going until like four years ago with
my friend Mike and then Jack Chavez, who I work
with on the podcast now.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
Awesome. Hopefully my listeners are very familiar with Jackie's been
on the show multiple times. We talk about the Cargo
Paranormal Convention on here, and he'll probably be back on
in you know, around June when his convention is.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
So right, right, Actually the next one's on my birthday,
so that's a horrible one, right, Yeah, it's actually his
paranormal convention is on my birthday. Should specify that, is right?
He is doing another one soon.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
Yeah, yeah, I haven't uh, he hasn't said anything about
it because I'm not at that one. So he doesn't
even invite me to the paranormal conventions anymore. He just
sends me the date and assumes that I'll show up.
That's that's where we're well, like.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Whatever else got going on. Yeah, you gotta bail man,
you gotta be there. He's expecting you. You're just a default.
You have to be there.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
That's pretty much what he says too.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, so I'll see you June thirteenth then, so is it?

Speaker 6 (10:53):
Oh? I should probably write that down hm hmm. Yeah,
he hasn't given me the date yet, so I should
probably make sure that's on the calendar before anything else
sneaks into that spot.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
So yeah, all right, that's awesome.

Speaker 6 (11:07):
We'll keep that in there. Yeah, he's Have you heard
anything about the Horror Con he was going to start.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
So I know, I know he's still planning, but I
don't think for this year. I know it fell through
because there was actually another Horror and Oddities show happening
at the same time, and a lot of the vendors
were going to that one, and he didn't want to
also compete, so he doesn't like to compete with other people,
you know, so he had to reschedule that one. But
I know he's planning. He's got a bunch planned next year.

(11:37):
I don't know if I could talk about all of them,
but I know one idea is a vampire ball that
one he's pretty enthusiastic about. So but again, I don't
know how much of these I can talk about.

Speaker 6 (11:47):
So yeah, shouldn't he'll get mad?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (11:51):
No, I, like I said, I heard that he was
doing the Horrorcon, but then I never heard a date
or anything, and I haven't seen anything, so I was like,
I wonder what happened with that? So yeah, Yeah, anyway, anyway,
moving on. Awesome. Well, so let me let me ask
you this because this is this is what kind of
happened to me. I was always into cryptids, you know,
kind of the same thing as that, and I fell

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onto this impression that cryptids were you know, somewhere out
there in the great beyond. They weren't here in Wisconsin
or you know, Illinois or you know, my own backyard.
And because of that, I started researching the paranormal and
getting into that because it was right here. Now is
that the same kind of how your transition happened or

(12:34):
why did did you get into the paranormal off of cryptids?

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Well, it kind of was two things that were separate
interests that kind of merged over the years, like I did,
like you know, ghosts, I was interested in them. I
remember reading books in middle school about them. But I
was more so a cryptid guy because I loved monster
movies like these to twenty thousand fathoms, Godzillah. You know.
I liked the monster stuff, but I never actually combined
them until again, like the past few years, you just

(13:03):
start reading reports. What's the famous Pennsylvanian big footcase where
it has the orb I forget the name of that.
Do you know what I'm talking about? The one where
it's like an orb, it's by a fence. There's a
UFO involved with that case. They were just like, yeah,
there are just some weird stories like that about Bigfoot,
and I was like, that's weird. There's actually a really

(13:24):
good documentary called Paranormal Bigfoot. What's it like some I
think Beauty's in the title? Jack would know what it is?
And I mean there's footage of this like invisible looking
thing jumping through the forest, and it's like predators what
it looks like. And it's like the more you look
into sasquatch, the more you look into all these different

(13:47):
you know things, UFOs, aliens, I guess you would call
it you aps. Now it does seem like there's some
thread connecting all of them, especially because you know, again
with the Near Death Conference, there's some people that report
aliens even in their endes, So now that's a connection
with that. So it does seem like all of these

(14:07):
paranormal topics are actually connected by a thread. It's just
hard to kind of pinpoint it all together. And it
seems like a lot of religions around the world are
kind of like people's ways of interpreting them bringing them together.
But yeah, I would I would say, it's it's semi
similar to yours. It's just more of a recent acceptance,

(14:29):
like the Quantum Bigfoot that book, you know, like it's
more of a recent acceptance for me to accept that,
like these things are all connected because you know, growing
up when I saw Bigfoot, I always believed and it
still could be a flesh and blood animal, right. I
mean there's a lot of casts air that's been found.
You know, there's definitely a physicality to it, but I

(14:50):
mean the idea of it actually being more of like
an interdimensional being. I'm a little more open to that
now than I was. Like if you asked me to
even two or three years ago, I would have said, no,
it has to because or bust. Now I'm a little
more like, I don't know, it's it's it's hard to
say with some of the witnesses and what they've encountered.

Speaker 6 (15:08):
Hm, you're talking about the flash of beauty, paranormal Bigfoot.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Flash of beauty. That's that's the one.

Speaker 6 (15:14):
Yeah, We've had Brent on the show here and to
talk about that as well. So yeah, people can go
check that out. There's there's two of them. There's a
flash of beauty and then there's a flash of beauty
the paranormal Bigfoot, so shout out to those Yeah, yeah, interesting,
So let's see. Yeah, I don't I don't know. I
think I think that that, like you said, Bigfoot is

(15:37):
very flesh and blood. It is a creature of some sort.
But I think the jury has still allowed us to
is it always here or is it you know, like
you said, uh, you know aliens, you know, the little
grays and stuff are are very flesh and blood as
well when they interact with us. But then at the
same time, those things can walk through walls and do
all this other stuff, and so I think that, you know,

(15:59):
when they're here, they're obviously flesh and blood, but you know,
maybe not always so interesting. I want to come I
want to come back because we kind of touched on
this the Near Death Experience Convention, So the I A
n D.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
What is that for? First of all, so the ANS
conference is about like NDEs near death experiences and it's
it's was I think it was founded by Raymond Moody,
the famous guy who wrote Life After Life and he
was really actually who was the guy who coined the
term nd near death experience? I think it was in
reference to Thomas Jefferson something he said either at Jefferson

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or Edison. And it's about people who pass on, they
die from some sort of tragedy, car accident, what have you,
and then they come back from being dead and then
they share their experiences. A lot of them are religious, spiritual.
A good chunk of them they see like Jesus or Mary.

(16:59):
Sometimes I still see other deities, but usually it's it's
those it's more Christian. But that could also be because
you know, I mean, there's tons of Christian content on YouTube.
There's a big drive for that now in the West,
so I could see that having some influence as to
why we don't really hear about other NDEs. It's also
I know, for like a lot of Muslim communities, they
can't really talk about NDEs too much. But I did

(17:22):
meet someone at the i AM's conference who knows someone
who's writing a book about Muslim MDes, so that's going
to be coming out soon. But yeah, so the conference
is just about that, people sharing their experiences, and most
of the attendees had nds themselves or at least know
someone who has. And you know, I went to a
ton of different presentations of people who rather researched NDEs

(17:45):
thoroughly or they had experiences themselves. And the ones that
actually had experiences were the really interesting to me. Well, actually,
there there were two that were the most interesting. One
was a guy who he actually moved to Japan and
he lived there, and he would brag about how he
actually became more fluent in Japanese than a lot of

(18:06):
the Japanese people he lived with, and they were impressed
by him. He really liked Japanese culture, but eventually he
kind of toyed with his job that he had out
there because he got into near death experiences. And you know,
he talked about how, like Buddhists, for well over a century,
they actually documented they didn't call him NDS, but they

(18:28):
documented people that that passed and then came back. So
there's at least a thousand years of history with that,
just under Buddhism. So he went over like that history,
and many of the stories echo what all these other
people at the conference are talking about today, like people
that are like today that have had these experiences. It
matches people a thousand years ago what they had. I mean,

(18:50):
obviously the technology is different, right, but otherwise what they
described in the afterlife is still kind of similar. I
recall one story where this guy went to he obviously passed,
and he saw this old man and the old man
was like shouting out to him, and he was hiding

(19:10):
behind a rock and then a tree, and the guy's like, no,
come out, come out, and he goes to greet this guy,
and the guy's giving him a tough time. He says, no,
you can't be here, you can't be here. You have
to go back. And the guy eventually returns to his body,
and when he describes what he saw, his family members
all knew who he was talking about with like the

(19:32):
raspy boys with his facial features. He was clearly talking
about an uncle that he had and when they pulled
out a picture of his uncle that he'd never seen previously,
he recognized, like that, that that's the guy I saw.
And you know, then you have like a modern story
that we were just told at the conference where this
one lady she was with her mother and on the deathbed,

(19:54):
the mother said, you know, I actually had an affair.
You're actually not your father's child. And this was after
this lady had an NDE and saw someone in it
and it turned out that it was some Jewish man
that his mom had slept with, and that man was
the same guy she saw in her MD. And there's
no way, I mean, it was a deathbed confession. There's

(20:16):
no way that lady could have known that that was
her father. So, you know, these are like centuries apart,
and they're describing the same kind of experiences. So that
that's kind of the gist of what the conference is about.
It's about those people that went through those experiences and
sharing their their stories with everyone just to kind of

(20:37):
figure out what's going on there.

Speaker 6 (20:40):
That's fascinating. I love, I'm very interested in like the
NDS and stuff like that, because, like you said, they're
they're all very similar. You know, people experience the same things,
having these out of body experiences, floating over themselves, sometimes
seeing things that they shouldn't be able to see and remember. Yeah,
and you know, it goes back to the whole Well,

(21:03):
if they're making this up, why are so many able
to do it? Why are all of these stories from
all over the world, you know, so very similar, so
much in sync with each other that they you know,
they can't be all bs. You know, it's it's just
fascinating that there's gotta be something else out there beyond this.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah, I mean there has to be. I mean again,
like centuries apart, these stories still have echoes of each other.
No matter the culture, no matter the religion, no matter
the ethnicity, all of these people around the world reports
similar things in the afterlife. Even the OBEs, which that's
what it's called, when they pass, but they don't go,
they don't see like Jesus or Aliens or anything. They

(21:47):
just see their body when they like had just passed.
That that's out of body experience. And I know there's
also a third name for that term. I forget what
it is, but I know there's a third version of
that too. But yeah, and there's many stories like that
out there. Any hospital you go to, you could ask
the staff. I'm sure they'll have one or two stories
about that if you really ask the right people. I mean,

(22:11):
it's just kind of one of those things that's common
knowledge at this point that this is something that happens.
It's just I know there's been scientists that have said
they haven't been able to recreate the data, but I mean,
I suspect that's because it's hard to recreate something like that.
That's such a specific experience. You know, you can't really
you know, fire that lightning off, you know what I mean,

(22:32):
Like that's like such a specific experience happening.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
I think now you can correct me if you're wrong.
Maybe you've done more research into this than I have.
But haven't there been some experience or experiments where people
have been like coma death on purpose to try and
initiate these near death experiences.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Well, I'm I'm not sure familiar with that one. I'm
more familiar with like the God Helmet, which was something
similar to that, where like they would try to get
rid of your senses and try and actually that one
did work I know for sure, where they actually did
experience some almost otherworldly like I know, they'd see like butterflies,
they'd see like them flying through the sky. They'd see
some crazy stuff with that. So I know about that,

(23:23):
but I'm not sure about that. The comentos ones, I mean,
that would make sense to me though, because I mean,
obviously you can't kill people for an experiment.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
Yeah, but there's something along those lines where they they
would stop someone's heart or put them into a deep
koma to kill them without you know, being able or
being able to bring them back right away to see
if they could initiate those experiments or the experiences. I mean, so.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. That reminds me of what
was that movie? Is it Flat Liners? Is that the one?
There's like one movie? Yeah, yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.
But I I know more of the like the God Helmet.
I'll have to look into that, but yeah, there there
there's so many fascinating stories out there though, that just
all relate to each other. I Mean, it's kind of

(24:16):
strange because these these NDEs, it's almost like a cartoonish
afterlife that they suggest, Like it's it's like the happy
ending that you didn't know you were getting, Like you're
you're born into this like materialistic world. You know, it's
it's all depressing and there's all these horrible things. There's
like insect parasites that eat your eyes out, and it's

(24:36):
like like oh my. And then to hear that the
afterlife is actually the complete opposite, like there's actually everything's beautiful.
You feel love, you feel you know that, there's cities,
you know, there's there's According to some people you know,
such as Swedenborg, there's there's some sort of marriage. It's

(24:56):
different than marriage on earth.

Speaker 6 (24:58):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
It's like it sounds too good to be true, like
way too good. But there's so many people that repeat
the same things. It's it's really hard to discounted.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
And you know, I know a lot of people have
tried discounting it as like what is it? Like what's
the drug? There's like a chemical that releases in your
brain when you die. So they've tried explaining it away
as hallucinations, But I don't think that's what it is.
Like the OBEs, they explained stuff like they'll see things,
there's no way they could have known. Like there was

(25:31):
one story I read in a book where this lady
levitated outside of the building the hospital, and she saw
a pair of shoes on the ceiling or on the roof,
and when she came back, she told the doctors that
she saw that pair of shoes, and they, you know,
just to humor her, they went up there and they
found that exact pair of shoes that she described. You

(25:53):
know it, How would you effaced that? I mean, what
was she throw that pair up there herself? And this
was a tall building too, So what Okay, she threw
them up there herself and knew she was gonna die.
It doesn't it doesn't make sense. So that there's just
so many cases like that. And then a lot of
the again the experiences where they see, you know, entities

(26:14):
like like Jesus or beings of lights or a lot
of atheists will call it like the source this this
like beaming ethereal sun. It's like it's too much to
say there's nothing actually going on that it's just chemicals
in the brain that are being released that's causing you
to see these hallucinations.

Speaker 6 (26:37):
Now you've brought him up here, and what's in the
title of the show here the Swedenburg because you call
yourself an enthusiast, And I've we've talked in person about
this before, and but I didn't know either about this,
to be honest, you know, just kind of like in
passing what we had mentioned in that. So I've I've

(26:59):
got a little dove into this recently to try and
prepare for this and see where we're going. And it
started out with a very simple eighteen minute podcast about
the Gentleman. And I was like, oh, this this isn't
so bad, okay, And then I started getting into some
other podcasts and went, there's a lot more here everything,

(27:21):
And I don't know where all this is going here,
but there's everything from you know, the whole religion based
around his life. He was an inventor, he was very
I listened to an entire podcast about him basically not
being abducted by aliens, but them thinking that he had
this alien abduction encounter. So with all that being said,

(27:45):
let's in your words, let's give a brief who is
this guy and why why is he important?

Speaker 4 (27:56):
So Emmanuel Swedenborg was a eighteenth century miss i should say,
Christian mystic actually who he mastered the sciences at fifty six,
like he was one of the He's considered one of
the last people who actually mastered every single form of science.
He grew up Lutheran. His father, Jasper Swedenberg, was a

(28:19):
Lutheran bishop for the Swedish court, and later on he
became a nobility to the king. And you know, actually
Jessper Swedenberg himself was an interesting man that we could
even talk about. He even had the same experiences as
Swedenborg did. He's claimed angels and demons were interacting with
us every day he claimed to actually be able to

(28:42):
talk to them, see them. He said, they saved his
life more than once. But you know, I think a
lot of what Jasper went through really impacted what Swedenborg
went through. It was kind of the predecessor. And also
Jesper Sweetberg's interest with the Pietist movement I think had

(29:02):
a strong influence on Swedenborg as well, because Jasper was
more into he believed that Lutherans were too encompassed with
brain rather than heart, that they were kind of missing
a lot of the points, like they understood the theology
really well, the rules, that they didn't understand the heart
of the messages that Jesus and you know, the Bible
was talking about. But whereas Jasper looked at the Bible

(29:26):
more like literally more like the Bible's the truth, sweeden
more questioned it. He examined it, studied it and questioned it,
and he thought there was deeper meanings. But this, of course,
it didn't happen until way later in life. I think
it was like fifty four or something. It wasn't until
later in life that he actually had extreme supernatural experiences.

(29:47):
But like as a kid growing up, he lost his
mother when he was eight years old. He was the
third of nine children, and his stepmother loved him actually
more than his other kids. And he eventually got the
board of mines from his stepmom and he worked in
mining for a long long time as the head of it.

(30:08):
He helped the king with a war, traveling ships across
miles and miles of terrain and I mean over the land,
not the sea. And uh, you know, he's he mastered
a lot of sciences, which again kind of put a
divide between him and his father because his father was
super religious and thought he was going to be a prodigy.

(30:30):
And eventually Swedenborg. Once he mastered all the sciences, he
started getting into a human anatomy and then philosophy, and
he was like, what is the soul? Like, what what
is the soul? What is He wanted to discover what
the soul was. So this actually led to him finding
out a lot of discoveries about the human brain. You know,
through later translations, a lot of people found out he

(30:50):
actually discovered a lot more things about the brain than
we realized. But eventually, you know, one day he was
sitting in his room and he had like a dish,
just a meal you know, made for him, and he
started eating it and then he started choking. And then
he saw a guy, very thin man, sitting in a

(31:12):
chair across from him, and he said, don't eat so much.
And as Swedenborg was looking down, he saw like toads
and snakes, you know, you know, traversing the ground under him,
and he he flipped out and then got out of there.
He got he ran to the streets of I think
it was London, and then eventually he met up with
the same man again. And that's when the man approached

(31:32):
him and he said, I'm Jesus Christ, I'm the Lord,
and you know I need you to essentially like deliver
a message about the Bible. He set the record straight. Basically,
he goes into how the apparently there was in Revelation.
It talks about how there was a new there was
an additional part to Revelation that was kept out. I

(31:55):
forget the actual part in Revelation, but there's a part
that actually says there was going to be a future
thing revealed. And Swedenborg claimed to be a part of that. Now,
even though he said he's not a prophet and he's
not a philosopher, he was pretty much exactly those things.
But where it gets interesting is I think a lot

(32:17):
of people when they look at Swedenborg, they kind of
see him as like the base for a worldview, kind
of like how a lot of Christians when they look
at like the Bible, that's their base, Like like Swedenborg's father,
that's the base for their worldview, and then everything else
just kind of fits into that worldview. But I really
think when at least when I look at Swedenborg, I
view it from an opposite angle where I see him

(32:37):
as like the ultimate near death experiencer. Now I don't
know what he experienced.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
I don't know what he.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Saw, but you know, I slowly became convinced when I
started reading his work that he actually experienced something. He
wasn't just lying because he There's actually this set of
books called The Spiritual Diary that the Swedenborg Foundation released,
and it's works that were never supposed to be published
by him, and it was just his personal diary. So

(33:04):
a lot of it was just kind of boring stuff,
to be honest, But there were parts where you could
actually see he started having spiritual experiences. Like there was
one where he saw a fly and he said he
was deeply disturbed or disgusted by it. And I view that,
and I know other student Borgians viewed it as like
kind of like a mic test, like check check check,

(33:27):
like it's trying to figure out, like it's just testing
the waters for Swedenborg, trying to like test out the
experiences before they gave him the revelation right, or what
they want to tell him. And then eventually that led
into the Jesus experience, and then that led into him
actually traversing Heaven and Hell, which is where his big

(33:49):
book came into into place, which is Heaven and its
wonders and Hell. And that was his most and is
his most famous book besides his I think it's like
an eight or twelve volume set Arcana Clestia, which is
his interpretation of Genesis and Exodus. But and I know
this is a lot there's a lot of jumping around
with sweden Borg because there's so much I mean, you

(34:11):
already said it, there's so much to this guy. It's
actually crazy because I mean it face value, he's just
another Christianistic guy. But then you start digging into it
and it's like, oh my God, like there is so
much more to this guy than you initially think. But yeah,
in Urcanic Clestia, for example, again it's it's like talking

(34:34):
about Genesis and Exodus, and you think it's just a commentary, right, Okay,
that that makes sense. No, you read it. He talks
about aliens in it, he talks about speaking to like
Moses and Abraham, he obviously Jesus. And then halfway through
that set he says he has a new revelation, the

(34:54):
true revelation or the second coming of Christ is happening.
And was it seventeen I forget the exact year, but
in the hundreds he's like seventeen forty seven something like that.
He's like, this is when Jesus actually is coming back,
but it's a spiritual comeback. It's in heaven, and that
second Temple has been built in heaven and I don't know.

(35:14):
This is what he claims right in the middle of
Arcana Clestia. And then earlier on he talks about Satan
as an entity where he capitalizes it, and then later
on he talks about Satan as Satan's not a real entity.
It's more of a collective of I don't want to

(35:35):
say sinners. That's not accurate, but like people that choose
to go to hell and become demons. So I guess
what I'm getting at with all this is Swedenborg kind
of changes his views on things. Like another one last example,
he hated Paul. We know he hitted the apostle Paul

(35:55):
from his spiritual diary, he said he was colluding with demons.
But on his death, uh, Swedenborg actually said he was
okay with Paul. Paul was actually a cool guy. It's
just it was it was not divinely inspired Paul's writings.
It was just explanation. It wasn't divinely, it wasn't from God.
So when I look at Swedenborg, I don't think he's

(36:19):
like the end all of everything. He's just like a
little spyglass you're looking through into a much more grand,
you know, universe or world. I mean, he was a
tesla kind of character with how smart he was. So
whatever's happening in the afterlife, he's got probably the best answer.
It's just it's it's not a complete answer. It's still
a small snippet compared to what actually is. So that

(36:42):
that's kind of how I view him versus like other
I don't know, if I call myself Swedenborgian, but again enthusiast,
I think is is fair.

Speaker 6 (36:52):
No, absolutely, and I think you you kind of put
a nice little wrap around all that to get a
gist of him. But they like, there's there's so much
going on there like this is you know, I listened
to several different podcasts and looked up some stuff and that,
and and I didn't find too much that overlapped. There's
there's that much stuff out there about this and that,

(37:13):
And I think, yeah, yeah, he starts off more as
like a like a da Vinci kind of where he's,
like you said, very in science. He was an inventor.
He was again compared to like Tesla, you know, very
ahead of his time, very intelligent, smart, he said. He
worked in the mining industry working on all that stuff.
So but then there's this like shift where he goes

(37:36):
from that to it takes like ten years off from writing,
they said, and he goes into trying to figure out
the anatomy and the soul and where that actually fits in.
And that's when this whole other stuff starts kind of
going on.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Yeah, I mean it's uh, it's all over the place
of Sweden, por like it's hard. I don't know if
it sounded like I was just rambling nonsense, but it's
really hard to concisely describe him, or at least I
should say his views, because it's so vast. I mean,
I even't even got into how the correspondence is yet,
how he views everything as like does a correspondence to

(38:19):
every image, to every word, to everything. Now he specifies
that with the Bible, but I do suspect he is
talking about like actual life around us as well, where
like a turtle can symbolize one thing, Like there's an
experience he had. I think it was in Heaven and True,
his work True Christianity, which was one of his last works,

(38:41):
and he describes seeing like a two headed turtle right
next to a boat, and it was like licking the
hands and feet of kids that were like just saying
hi to the turtle or whatever. And one of the
turtle's heads was like humanoid and it had a red
hat or something on, and the other was like just

(39:01):
a normal turtle, and it would go they could go
in and out. And yeah, I don't know if you
guessed it already what the correspondence of that is, but
it's Uh, what is it that someone who was born
into the clergy that has like two different faces, they're
able to have their religious side and then their human side.

(39:22):
So I don't know how he got that, but you know,
smart man, he was able to understand that, because I
don't know anyone else who would.

Speaker 6 (39:31):
So, yeah, yeah, I've heard a lot about his dream
journal and how there was a lot of other things
in there, Like he talked about that God knows all
the sins in your head, right, so you could you
could sin in your brain in your dreams, but as

(39:54):
long as you didn't do it in the waking physical world,
it wasn't necessarily a sin. And there's a lot of
that in his journal without getting into some of the
weirder things in his journal that he describes and stuff,
but it's like he kind of explores that in the
dream world.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Yeah, yeah, I would say so. I mean there's and
his things work heaven and hell. He describes how people
have two they have two angels inside of them and
two demons. Now, I guess I should preface. According to Swedenborg,
and this is actually kind of unique for theology, he
believes that angels and demons, all of them were once human.

(40:39):
So he says, when people die, they go into the
spirit world, which is you know, around us in the
material world, and we get to choose if we want
to go to heaven or go to hell, and you know,
there's an angel that kind of guides us. And he
says the time for being in that world is like

(41:01):
thirty years. So I don't know if that makes sense
according to like ghost encounters at at haunted houses. I
don't think so, but that's his claim, is like that
there's a thirty year cap on deciding if you want
to go to heaven or hell. But then once you
pick one of them, you feel at home there. You
become a being of lights. Well, if you go to heaven,

(41:22):
become a being of light. And there's a lot of
different jobs and different opportunities you have in heaven and
even in hell, but eventually there's one job you could
have where you actually go inside of a living person
in the material world. So this is a little complex,
but the idea is that basically we're not our thoughts,

(41:44):
we're our actions. So when we're actually going about doing
our things day to day, our thoughts are not ours.
It's really and I don't want to say fully not ours.
I mean, I'm sure we do have genuine thoughts at
our own. It's just mostly if you have like a
thought to do something good, that's from an angel, and
if you have a thought to do something bad, that's

(42:05):
from a demon. Like like, for example, if you're driving
down a road and you know God forbid, you think
of like, hey, I want to hit this truck head on,
like a thought you never would have in a million years.
It just for some reason, you have this horrific thought
in your head and you're like, wow, I don't where
did that come from. The idea from Swedenborg is that

(42:26):
that is a demon inside of you. It's enticing you.
It's kind of like laying out some bait for you
to do something evil and once you if you actually
do that evil thing, you know then you slowly kind
of corrupt your soul in a sense. But you chose
to do that. So now he does say that you

(42:48):
have a soul currently, But the way I kind of
interpret it is that you're kind of building your soul
on this earth, like the whole purpose of the material
world is to build your soul, and you get help
from other people inside of you and then eventually, you know,
once you die, that's when your soul is actually truly
born and then you truly become your true self. At

(43:10):
least that's how I interpreted it. But it's also kind
of interesting, and I don't want to go on a
tangent with this, but it's also kind of interesting because,
you know, it makes me think of people who claim
to be reincarnated, Like if angels and demons are inside
of us and they're actually people, it does make me wonder,
are these like these people claim to be reincarnated or

(43:32):
they have these other stories. Is that really them being
reincarnated or is that the people inside of them recalling
their memories while they're inside of you and it's passing
through you. Though that does counter some NDE experiences where
people have seen aliens and they've talked about soul harvesting,
and we don't have to get into any of that.

(43:53):
But I did want to throw that out there though,
because that's that's such a fascinating little aspect to it.

Speaker 6 (44:02):
Yeah, he excuse me, he has this, Ah. He gets
really into meditation as well. And one of the things
that that kind of was interesting for me is he
goes on what they said was like he describes as
one journey, but it could have been multiples or the
conglomeration of all of them. But he goes to like

(44:25):
Mars and Mercury and yeah, plan But it was very
interesting even among that story that he's not he's astro
projecting or meditating on going places, but he's also not
communicating with the people of these planets. He's communicating with

(44:46):
the ghosts that are on the planet.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
So I've I'll be honest, I don't have a definitive
opinion on his work. You're talking about other planets or
other earths. There's a lot of different names for that work,
and actually what that work is is a compilation of
different experiences he wrote in Urchina Clestia, because while he's
talking about the Bible, he just randomly talks about alien
experiences he's had. So it's when I first read it,

(45:17):
I thought it was just literal what you said, astro projection,
and he was going to the other planets in our
Solar system and talking to aliens. Now he did claim
they weren't aliens per se, they were humans on other planets,
which you know, I found interesting because when you hear
about people describing aliens like the Grays or Reptilians or Nordics.
It's all humanoid beings. So I was like, oh, that's

(45:40):
kind of an interesting overlap between the two. But the
more I read it and the more I talked to
other Swedenborgians, it's like anything else Swedenborg. It's way more
complex than that, because there's a part where he brings
up the ethereal sun, and again he's talking to ghosts,
so they actually might not be one for one astral projection.

(46:03):
It might be something in the spiritual world where you know,
he says, when we die, we become a part of
Maximus Homo, the you know, God, the Lord. The idea
is that we're actually not that, I guess to simplify it,
the idea is that these are other planets. It's just
in the other world, in the non material world, and

(46:25):
these are humans that did live on Earth, but they
passed and they just became so far from Earth for
whatever reason, either due to different political views, different morals
or ethics. They're just like different reasons. Like you know,
you put two people in a room and you know
they don't like each other very much. The idea of

(46:46):
Swedenborg is when they die, they're not going to be
next to each other, even if both were really good people,
they're not gonna want to spend time with each other,
so they'll be on different different areas or I guess
in this case, different worlds. So it's so hard to
really pinpoint his other Earth's work, like it's actually one
of his most fascinating because that was one of the

(47:06):
ones he was most excited to actually talk about. Or
I should say, right about what the aliens does.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
I don't want to cut you off, but does that
kind of tie. I've heard the Swedenborganism being compared to
Mormonism as well, being like the comparison of the profits
and stuff, and now you're you're kind of comparing it
to Mormons believe in like they're there, what is it
not treasure planet, but they're they're after planet. That's right

(47:35):
where we all get our own planets and stuff when
we pass away. And that's kind of kind of very
similar to what you just described with organism. Is you know,
if you you don't like this one person, so you
go to your own planet and you you have that
kind of thing. So it's it kind of follows along
that trend a little bit.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
You know, it's funny you bring that up because if
you actually look at there's a really famous Swedenborg YouTuber,
Curtis Child's he does off the Left Eye. I'm sure
you've seen some of his stuff if you look at
his comment sections. There's actually a lot of Mormons that
watch his work and they say, like, man, this relates
so much to the LDS Church and our beliefs. But

(48:16):
it's kind of I don't know chicken or eggs the
right term, but it's kind of like I've seen the
criticism from the Swedenborgian or secular lens that, oh, well,
you know, Joseph Smith was he was familiar with Swedenborg's
work before he founded the religion. So if you're looking
at it from a skeptical point of view, you could
just say he read some of Swedenborg's work and then

(48:39):
he just took what he was interested in and kind
of ran with it. Now, I know, you could say
the same thing about Swedenborg and his father with some
of his beliefs and his interpretations of things, but that
would be the counter people would have in terms.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Of what.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Joseph Smith believed versus what Swedenborg believed. But there definitely
is a lot of overlap. I even think the that
don't don't quote me on this, but I even think
the white clothes that that the that the LDS wear,
I even think that was inspired by Swedenborg. I heard
that from a Mormon somewhere that that that aspect was
actually taken from Swedenborg's work, or at least that's a

(49:17):
correlation between the two. But yeah, that's that's a whole
other rabbit hole you could go down. I know there
are some videos on YouTube that really break it down
the similarities, Like there's some members of the LDS that
really like Swedenborg and there's some that saw him as
a heretic. And that's exactly the same for Christians as well.
Like Swenenborg was tried for heresy when he was alive,

(49:38):
but his work was so dense that they gave up
reading it. They worked at that and they're like, yeah, nah,
just let him go. And plus he had too many
ties to royalty where that would have looked bad on
the the Kings, so they just they just let it go.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
He couldn't publish his work in Sweden because it was heresy.
So he published it, wrote it all in Latin and
published it that way other countries so that it wasn't heresy.
It was never published in Sweden at the time. But
there's there's so much we can go into. I just
kind of want to kind of give everyone a basis here,

(50:19):
but let's let's wrap this up here into a little
package if we can. And so now years later, hundreds
and years later, now all of his work is being
looked at by these followers of what has become a religion.
Now there's from what I've I've gathered, there's only like

(50:41):
a thousand, maybe like two thousand people that actually follow
this religion.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
I've heard. I think it says to like six thousand.
It's a small number. It's it's not many people. But
I do know if you look at other people, like
the Bahai faith, I did a they deep dive into that.
There actually are some Baha's that are familiar Swedenborg's work
and they like reading about it. I know the Uranteans,

(51:09):
are you familiar with them at all? But we don't
have to go that's a whole other rabital.

Speaker 7 (51:13):
But it was.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Briefly it was channel text that came out of Chicago
by a guy named Sadler who claimed to be given
prophecy or I should say just a channel text from
us guy sleeping prophet. We don't know who he was.
That's a whole rabbit hole. But anyway, they also the
followers of that like Swedenborg's work as well, and I
think they actually published the other Planets, the other Earth's

(51:39):
one as well. But yeah, there are a lot of
other different people of different religions that like Swedenborg's work,
that look up to it, and even if they don't
agree with it fully, they actually get a lot of
substance out of it. And I really think it's just
because what he describes is beautiful, it makes sense, and
he just has really good ethics and rules to follow.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
I had a question here on hold for you, but
I think we just got it answered. But Lee wanted
to know who came first, the Latter Day Saints or
the why why is Swedenburg? That's not how you spell.
I don't know anything about Batley. We're we're off topic,

(52:24):
but I was gonna say Latter Day Saints was way
after it. I wasn't sure when, but ky big, Yeah,
Swedenberg was the seventeen hundreds sixteen eighty eight to seventeen
seventy two, came away before the Church of Latter day Saints,
which was founded in eighteen thirty. He wrote about versions

(52:46):
of spiritual realms decades before Mormonism began. Yeah, yeah, because
I know that Mormonism started in the US, and the
US was definitely not around when Swedenborg was around.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
So he actually passed away only a few years before
seventeen seventy six, like seventy two was when he passed.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
So even even even that was interesting because now correct
me if I'm wrong. But the one, the one podcast
I was listening to, said that he had a vision
or a premonition or something of his one friend who
really should come visit him, right, And so he calls

(53:28):
up his friend and he goes, hey, I know you've
been thinking about coming to visit me. You really should
do this, And his friend says, well, I didn't you know,
I have been thinking about it, but I wasn't you know,
going to do it. I want to, And he goes, well,
you need to hurry up and do that because I'm
going to die on this date. And he's like, oh no, no,
I don't believe that you're not going to die, and

(53:49):
he did, Like he dies. He predicts his own death
date as well, which I thought was just the icing
on this cake.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
So yeah, yeah, I mean there's so many you know,
that's a whole other avenue we can't we an'll have
time to get into. But yeah, he's predicted a lot
of things. And there actually were a lot of people
once he got because he published his work anonymously at first,
but once he got known, a lot of people were asking, Hey,
can you speak to my dead loved one? Can you
talk to my relative? And he kept having to turn
them down. He's like, no, I don't want to. Some

(54:20):
people he'd be okay with and cool and would actually
let them know what the relatives are saying. But you know,
a lot of people he turned them down. There was
one case real quick where he he was at some
ball or party and he went to the balcony and
he claimed that his house was gonna be on fire,
and he was miles and miles away from his house.

(54:41):
He you know, he was very far from it. And
it turned out, yes, there was a fire happening on
his block, and they actually saved his house, like just
in time. And it's crazy, like how would he have
known that fire was happening, you know? I mean, I mean,
we know the fire was an accident, Like we know
the fire wasn't like someone said it, you know, So
it's not like paid someone to go out there and say.

(55:02):
It's just another one of those weird things with him.

Speaker 6 (55:05):
And there was another case of a lady nobility that
asked him to, uh, you know, talk to her brother
or brother or something, and he came back and told
her about this letter that she wrote to him that
she hadn't told anyone about before he died, and he
came back with this message from beyond from his brother,
her brother. Sorry. So yeah, so again I tried to

(55:32):
do this before. But let's tie this all up into
a bowl. So why why is there this religious following
now of him? And what is what is the whole
premise behind that?

Speaker 4 (55:45):
So I think the religious following today it's mostly just
people who already became Swedenborgian and then are born into it.
I think I don't know if that's cynical to say.
I think I think it's just fair. But I think
a lot of people are not necessarily converting to Swedenborganism.
I think it's just a lot of people are already
born into it. That's the most people that are into it.
I think Swedenborg has kind of become kind of like

(56:08):
again your Antia, or like some of these other channel texts,
or like other weird mystics, where it's like it's just
one piece of a bigger puzzle that people are interested in.
But I think when it comes to Swedenborg, people underestimate
just how deep this rabbit hole goes. Like they look
at him, they read some of his work and they're like, Okay,
that's kind of interesting. That connects to this and this.

(56:29):
But I think the more you dig into his work specifically,
I think there's so much that ties into tons of
other topics we could talk about. Like he really had
a lot figured out, and it probably helped that. Again,
he mastered the sciences, so he really thoroughly knew what
he was talking about. What questions they ask? You know,
when when he visited the other planets, he asked the

(56:51):
alien humanoids or whatever, he asked them questions about their
spirituality over anything else. That was the first question he asked,
what do you believe in God? You know, what is
your spiritual beliefs. So I think I think the only
people that really would switch to Swedenborganism nowadays, I mean
it either would be members of the LDS or it

(57:12):
would be like people that had NDEs or familiar with
near death experiences, because I mean, once you've learned about
that and you look at Swedenborg, it's very easy to
go right into becoming a follower of Swedenborg. But I'm
not sure there's actually been like an increase in actual
believers of Swedenborg, which you know, I think if there
were a lot more, the world would definitely be better off,

(57:34):
just because of his morals and ethics and because he
focuses so much on doing well and good in the world.

Speaker 6 (57:42):
Very cool, Lee. Lee is on a roll today. She says, Swedenborg,
you will be assimilated. That is terrible. That is a
Star Trek reference. You're showing your nerd, Lee, And I
think I feel unfortunate that I showed my nerd that
I got that reference. So that's all right, that's resistance

(58:04):
is futile. Awesome, Lee, rand you all right. Lee also
said earlier that I do not need to go down
any more New Rabbit holes, Lee, I will jump down
whatever holes I want to. And all right, so we
got a couple here questions here I want to go

(58:25):
back to. I don't know if this is so much
a question but a comment, and I'll let you address it.
What if dreams we have are just us going into
a different dimension and when we come back to Earth
it goes back to normal.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Mm oh man, that's that's a very interesting one. I mean,
I've thought about that too, and I think most people have,
just because there's so many bizarre, interesting experiences people have had.
I mean, I mean the way Swedenborg describes his experiences
in heaven and hell. I mean again, I just told
you about the two headed turtle.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
What is that?

Speaker 6 (59:03):
You know?

Speaker 4 (59:03):
And he intrinsically understood what that meant. And I feel
like that's how we are towards our dreams.

Speaker 6 (59:09):
You know.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Our dreams are kind of like, kind of like you
know how AI like it. It combines a bunch of
different videos and what have you together to make something new.
I feel like that's kind of what dreams are are
in our minds. But there's a correspondence to all the
things we see in dreams. There is a deeper meaning,
and it's for us to figure out what that meaning
is again, if we remember the dream at all when

(59:32):
we wake up.

Speaker 6 (59:33):
So why don't you think we remember dreams?

Speaker 4 (59:39):
Maybe we're just not meant to. I don't know, it's
something that lingers in their subconscious, like you know. It's
it's interesting how we can remember the feeling of a dream,
like we can remember what we felt, the emotion, the uh,
you know, that kind of aspect to a dream, but
then we forget everything that actually happened in it. And

(01:00:01):
I feel like that's an aspect that sweden war kind.
I mean, obviously he doesn't he does touch on dreams
a little, actually, but I think that's an aspect that
really matches with near death experiences. And sorry, their loud
next door, I hope you don't hear that. I'm sorry,
but but yeah, I think that relates a lot to

(01:00:23):
like those near death experiences and Swedenborg and what have you,
in the way they describe deeper meanings with what they're seeing.
I mean, obviously, there was one end I heard at
the convention where she described seeing Jesus and then she
saw like a balcony, and then she saw this set
of stairs and the balcony and stairs she later remembered

(01:00:46):
from being a part of what they purportedly discovered. What
was it like Jesus' tomb? There was like a big
debate as to what that was. Anyway, when she saw
pictures from that, it was what she saw in her end,
So that was a correspondence between those two events. And
then she looked for a statue of Mary and that

(01:01:07):
turned out to actually not be referencing Mary herself, but
actually lost sister of her mother's who was also named Mary.
So there's a weird connection there too. So very dreamlike
a lot of these experiences.

Speaker 6 (01:01:20):
Kind of like how mediums describe seeing things that reference.
So if you're if I'm communicating with your grandmother, I
would actually be seeing my grandmother because that's how I
the feeling of the person coming through, So the Mary
versus Mary kind of reference, right, Yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Know, before I did a deep dive into Swingenborg, I'll
just be completely honest, I was very skeptical of like mediums.
I really I was kind of like Molder from X Files,
Like I was like, it's it just can't get behind.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
But even though I hear cases all the time of
them solving police reports and you know what have you.
I was like, I just I can't bring myself to
It's just such an out there concept and I don't
understand when they're describing what they're seeing, I don't understand
what they're actually seeing how that works. But I was
just kind of ignorant on the topic. And once I
looked into Swedenborg, I gained a lot of respect for mediums.

(01:02:20):
And actually I'm a lot more open now than it
was before towards that topic, just because now there's so
much that actually supports it, that connects to it, and
it made me appreciate that whole what would you call it,
even like a subculture or like a I don't know
what you would call it, but like medium made me
appreciate mediums more than I did before.

Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
I'm with you there, like I've always seen, you know, like, oh,
you know, I don't there are some mediums out there
that I think are stretching and you know, may not
be sure, but I have definitely worked with like my
team Elie Wise and Souf and Stephanie Lynn on my team,
Angela's Abel Christina Bloom all that we've personally worked with

(01:03:06):
here with caps and there are more, but those are
the ones that I will bring up just one hundred percent.
Like Stephanie has told me things that there's no way
she should know. She has described things in house to
a tee and she's never been here, never seen pictures,
you know, like anything like that. She's brought up stuff
on investigations that there's no way she could have known

(01:03:28):
about people on the investigations or locations, layouts of buildings,
and it's absolutely phenomenal the stuff that these people with
these abilities can do. And supposedly we all have this
ability if we open up to it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
But right, actually it's funny. Christina Bloom was the first
to give me my first reading.

Speaker 6 (01:03:50):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Yeah, I remember that it was some holistic fair or something.
I remember she told me that there's a a group
of Sasquad they're trying to reach out to me from
the Upper Peninsula and that that actually was kind of
interesting because I actually visited like months before that the
Upper Peninsula, and I don't I even talked about that
to many people, but yeah, I actually went up there

(01:04:13):
for like a week vacation, and she just says the
other stats squat's trying to connect to you from the
Upper Peninsula, so I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:04:25):
See, there you go. It's a small world. It's really
a small world once you start getting in and traveling
around and stuff. Awesome. I have one more question here
from Grandizer for you and we will wrap things up here.
Going back to your early days here with Coast to Coast,
Grandeizer would like to know do you remember Coast to Coast?

(01:04:45):
AM would never would not cover the cryptid the popa Bawa,
way too horrible. I knew some who didn't want that
negative energy, so they would not cover it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Oh, I know nothing about this, but that sounds o
white one. Wait, well why wouldn't they cover it? Way
too horrible?

Speaker 6 (01:05:05):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Can you read the can you like text in the chat?

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
Or yeah? Sure, Grandizer, if you're still listening, Uh you
want to elaborate on that. That was a while ago.
I apologize, but we were on a roll there. The
isn't even like that bad. It's a flying reptilian dinosaur,
you know. It's not like some of these other uh,
Like there's a the Aswong and stuff from the Philippines,

(01:05:33):
Like everything from the Philippines is horrible, terrible and scary
and wants to, you know, do bad things to you.
But I don't. I don't know too much bad about the.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Is it like, is there some sort of like political
thing like in that region why they can't talk about it?
Or I really wonder why they wouldn't talk about that one?
Now now now wait a minute's he says it's flying dinosaur.
So I have the like inner nerd. So technically, I

(01:06:05):
mean other than like archaeoptrics and some you know birds,
I know there technically weren't any flying dinosaurs. I know
it was technically pterosaurs, which were flying reptiles. So was
this like like a pterosaur kind of thing?

Speaker 7 (01:06:19):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Was it like did it look like a species of
like pterodactyl or like a terodon?

Speaker 6 (01:06:25):
Like what?

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
Because I actually don't know about this cryptid?

Speaker 6 (01:06:28):
Okay, well, so this says it's also uh, it's an
evil spirit of Sheitani, which is believed by the residents
of Zanzibar to have first appeared in Tanzania island of
Popa Bawa. But it is a it is kind of
a flying like mothman type cryptid looking.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Thing that's a really weird one. I'm gonna have to
look in at this now. I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's awesome, so many stories and
stuff that sometimes names don't always hit with me. But
I remember there's a show called The Secret Saturdays and
it was a cartoon and they had a in there
and he was this flying dinosaur cryptid and yeah, so

(01:07:18):
that's why I remember.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Oh okay, yeah, dude, that show. I liked that show.
I remember that that was like an obscure like cartoon network.
I remember the market I actually liked the marketing more
than the actual show, to be honest, Like the early
marketing was like what was it like found footage and
this like weird cryptid imagery. I remember it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:37):
Man, this awesome loists and they would go around and
look for this stuff. Yeah, and there was this bad
guy and it was good times, good times.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
That was good stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
Is suggested, am I just reading it suggested that it's
a demon. But in the flesh you get that a lot,
and you get that a lot in these cryptids nowadays. Yeah,
I think that all goes. There's another one here. Uh,
it suggested that's a demon. Okay, okay, yeah, so it's

(01:08:17):
just kind of like the local folklore and stuff, and
I think, like, in my opinion, this is one of
the creatures that could also be, like I said, related
to the Mothman. And when you look at the Mothman
legends and stuff, you also have that demonic harbinger of
doom storyline and stuff along with it that's kind of
up over time. And there's there's other creatures around the

(01:08:39):
world that are very mothman asque as well, and I
think this is just one of those creatures that falls
into that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Yeah, I mean, I know Mothman was described more as
like a bird too. They had like a beak.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
It was that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
The term mothman came from the Batman show really, and
then they just put that on a newspaper and then
that's what's stuck with the public because it was just
so enticing, whereas before that newspaper it was called a birdman.
So I actually met one of the He wasn't a witness,
but it was a guy that grew up in Point Pleasants.
I went to the Mockman Festival this year to help

(01:09:19):
out a couple of vendors, and the one guy they
had sitting at their table who was there in Point
Pleas he grew up with the Silver Bridge disaster. He
was saying, there ain't no mothman, it's just a birdman.
He was so angry when people would bring up mothman.
He's like, no, it's a birdman.

Speaker 6 (01:09:37):
That was awesome. Yeah. I got to go to the
museum there a couple of years ago and stuff as well,
and they have all the original newspaper clippings and there's
there's just a bird, bird, bird, bird, bird, moth. It's
like just very interesting. All of a sudden, everything just
switched off from the birdman and yeah, awesome. Yeah, there's

(01:10:01):
so much. There's so much now. Now the commentary section
wants to head off. Uh Lee wanted to know have
you ever had any bigfoot experiences?

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
I wish No, I haven't. I haven't been squatching, if
that's the acceptable term for it. I want to go
look for bigfoot. I'd love to either, even if it's
just like I've heard some people that go in the
woods it's like a psychic experience thing. I'd even be
open to that. But yeah, I'd love to go and

(01:10:31):
look for bigfoot at some point in my life, even
if it's just like once that would hopefully we don't
find a bear that that would kind of be bad.
But I actually in the Upper Peninsula, I'm pretty sure
I ran into a bear at one point. I saw
the dong and the scratch marks, and then I heard
something big moving through the trees. So even though I
know Bloom said that Bigfoot was contacting me, I think

(01:10:51):
there was also a black bear that was hungry.

Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
So all right, we're gonna we're gonna wrap this up.
You can get going here, man. One last question. Grandizer
again says maybe a part two of the stream. He
wants to know, have you ever done any extensive research
into Aleister Crowley.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Oh, that's that's interesting. So I'm I'm a little new
to Crowdley. But I did buy what that that book,
the Equinox book, the one that I think it was
like his newspapers or his articles or whatever, like a
collection of those. So I bought that. I bought some
of his fiction. So I am preparing for like a
deep die because I'm proudly I mean, he kind of

(01:11:34):
wasn't that great of a person, but I don't think
he was a Satanist either, because a lot of people
they say he was like this big Luciferian Satanist devil worshiper.
I don't think that's accurate to Crowley. I think I
don't know if even gnostic is the right term, but
I would say he's more gnostic than anything else. But
I don't even think that's the right term, because he
was like an alchemist. He was like so many different things.

(01:11:58):
But but yeah, I actually I'm not too familiar with him,
but I know the basic gist of of Crowley.

Speaker 6 (01:12:05):
That's that's a whole another show. They even have named
him for the Lockness Monster.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Yeah. Actually, when when I was at the Macma Festival,
Steve Ward did a presentation and he brought up probably
in the NeSSI. Obviously that wasn't where the NeSSI began,
it was centuries before. But I found it funny that
he brought that up.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
He opened the portal, and that's how MESSI got in. Yep,
I don't know what that means, mister, mister Vernaby. What
went on in your head? Oh, mister Vernaby, did you
talk to the dit? Oh it's a song, Okay, I
don't know, Okay, all right, all right, that's it. Uh, Robert,

(01:12:53):
thank you so much for coming on here. Uh, you talked,
we talked a little bit about how you help out
with Channeling job as podcast. Yeah, but what else you
got going on? Do you have any other events that
you want to talk about, promote or anything else. We
do have the Swedenburg link in the show notes for
people that are interested in going and checking out the
actual religion or whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Yeah, do that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:18):
But what else? What else you got going on on
the events that's coming up, any places you're talking or anything?

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
Nothing? Nothing really as of late, I kind of went
through all the big behemoths of the year. But yeah,
obviously Channeling Chavez every we film every Thursday or Friday,
and then we release a week afterwards. Obviously, there have
been some hiatuses due to the IANS conference and the
Mockman Festival, but we are planning on getting regularly scheduled
programming back. We're going to actually have a neo on

(01:13:47):
this week, so that's that's gonna be fun. And they're
I believe they're doing a tour next Friday. No, this Friday.
This Friday, they're doing a tour. So it's just going
to I think it's just gonna They're like different cemeteries.
But yeah, for the Swedenborg Library that I linked, so,
I'm actually good friends with the owners of it. It's

(01:14:08):
del Rose and Quinn and they kind of run it
along with some other people, and they're all very kind people.
If you want to know anything about Swedenborg and you're
in the Chicago area, that's the place to go to.
There is a Swedenborg Church in glen View as well,
but I would recommend the Swedenborg Library a little more
only because it's more personal. Like the church is an

(01:14:30):
actual church. The library you can actually sit with the
people and discuss with them about Swedenborg's views, and Dell
is very knowledgeable on tons of other religions and concepts
as well, so like, if you want anything occult, anything,
he'll know it. So I would recommend going to the
Swedenborg Library. I think they're open Wednesdays and Fridays, but

(01:14:52):
I know sometimes they're times a little off because Dell
travels around the world talking about what I talked about
tonight Swedenborg. But yeah, it's it's fun stuff. If I
have anything going on, I'll let you know, But right
now it's kind of on the low. Other than Channel
and javas.

Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
Sounds good man. Awesome. Well, we can give out a
shout out to Paranormal Chicago the Facebook group as well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Part of that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:15):
Jack is part of that as well. If you're interested
in any of the conventions or Neil Gibbons group as
well as you mentioned, his stuff is in there as well,
all the paranormal stuff that's going on in Chicago Land area.
So awesome. All right, man, Well, thank you so much
for coming on. I appreciate it, and I think you've

(01:15:35):
unleashed some rabbit holes for our audience here to dive
into and hopefully they don't get lost and they can
come back and you know, join us again.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
So I hope so well, maybe a little lost before
they come back.

Speaker 6 (01:15:47):
Just as learned anything awesome. Yeah, all right man, Well,
thank you for coming on and thanks for your time.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
Man, Yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
Take care all right, guys, That is our show for
this week. Thank you guys all for tuning in and watching, like,
subscribe and share all things here on the Untold Radio
Network and go check out Swedenborg and see if you
want to join his church organization whatever he's got going on.
But with that being said, guys, thank you all for

(01:16:22):
tuning in. I hope you enjoyed the show. And until
next time, we will be back next week. Uh yeah,
that's it, I got, I got. We will be live
next week. Uh so we'll see you then. Until then, guys,
remember we are all part of the paranormal spectrum. Take care,
be well and I'll see you next week.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
You see it to know something, don't.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Let's call it O king and tell me please. That
thing streets on pages.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
In the room. And I can be.

Speaker 7 (01:17:06):
A Ricain.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
I'm bringing under rich, Come a bard.

Speaker 7 (01:17:10):
Ricaine if you can in Tala come Arricay always some
soble game. I'm a word Rica, I'm sonic nay

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
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