Paranormal Spectrum #81 Haunted Libraries with Guest "Ma"

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We are live here on Thanksgiving broadcasting from Ma's living room.

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That's right.

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I'm not alone here, never never alone here, But I'm
not alone here in the studio of Ma's living room today,
My Ma, Ma.

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We'll get to that in a second, but first, it is.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Almost the holiday season, guys, So if you guys are
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We also have our brand new holiday ugly water design
here that features the CAP's logo Bigfoot, Lake Monster, Ghosts,
a Little Demon Guy, and our brand new team shirt,
Ma stand up model. Our brand new team shirt here.

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Check that out.

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It has very cool caricatures of all the team members
you got myself, Derek, Ma, Chris, Ellie, Barbara and Stephanie.

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I can't see from this angle.

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Also available online if you want to meet us in person,
because I know you're all dreaming about that. We are
going to be at the Milwaukee Crampus event coming up
in just a couple of days here on December seventh.
It is in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in the Brewery District of Milwaukee.
There's two vendor rooms, there's live bands, there's a Crampis

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costume parade, and all kinds of stuff. It is a
great time, tons of people. Hopefully the weather's pretty nice
and you guys can come out and check that out.
Coming up next year, we are going to be at
Cryptids Anomalies and the Paranormal Convention Saturday, May ninth, Friday
May eighth. We have a bigfoot hike available as well.

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Tickets for this go on sale in January, as well
as some more guest speaker announcements, and we have smallsome
sponsors including Hangar one Publishing, Phantasm Paranormal, and Sasquatches Variety Shop.
We are also going to be at the Belleville Public
Library talking about all UFOs and UAP disclosure coming up

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next October. That's a long way away, but it's on
the list here and contact modalities Expo May first, second,
and third, but I'm not on my home computer, so
I don't have the graphic for that.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Apparently, you know stuff happens.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
But Grandizer is here live with us. That's right, live,
we are in studio. I thought you were both Packer
fans and going to watch the game. You do not
know me very well at all. I absolutely hate professional sports,
aside from professional wrestling, and that's debatable if that's entertainment
or sports.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
But yeah, I despise football. So there you go. That's
why aren't you watching football? Yeah? Better, well we should
watch it then. Yeah, okay, Jeremy, welcome all to the show.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
This is what happens. By the way, if I'm awake
when I do the show, I ramble, I talk, and
you know that's.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
That's both ways. Good.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
Yeah all right, so uh yeah, we got all that
stuff out of the way, So let us get to
the person sitting next to me here, all right. Born

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raised and educated in Wisconsin. As one of the founding
members of Cryptid's Anomalies and the Paranormal Society, our team here,
her passion for the strange and unique has led to
her travels all over the United States. She is an
avid What do you point that before Yeah, there you go,
avid reader of all things a Bigfoot paranormal, unexplained and mysterious.
She brings decades of personal paranormal experience in the field,

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including a pivotal, a lasting encounter with a shadow person
in her home home. I'm trying to read and I
can see you out of the corner of my eye.
Her investigations spanned the gambit of haunted locations from the
battlefields of Gettysburg two haunted, a haunted coal mine, and
her dedication to cryptid research.

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Wow, Lee, Lee, I hope you're watching Lee all right,
to confirmed sasquatch sightings and extensive searches across Wisconsin, Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, Kentucky,
and Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
There I did, But you know people can read it.
It is in the show notes. Oh yeah, there we go.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
They had the ninety ninth anniversary of the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade.
I watched it because of growing up. Mom used to
watch it every year.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
No, yeah, we watched the Appleton Christmas Preight, which was
on Tuesday. But now we were watching that this morning.
So but I knew people that were in that, So, ah,
welcome to the show. If you guys could see the

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amount of stuff that I have to haul and set
up here. We got lighting, we have a green screen,
We have all the audio equipment here, uh two screens.
I have a whole card table, cameras and stuff here,
just to just to set this up for the high
quality that mister Doug high Check demands.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
On all of our shows. So I don't know why
I'm here the high quality.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Well, you know, I didn't want to bother anyone else
on Thanksgiving, and you made me come here on my
day when I'm supposed to be working and doing the show,
so I figured it'd be it'd be time to bring
you on.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
So we have been doing a brand new thing recently
with really Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
With my presentation is library presentations. We started back in October,
and so not only have I been doing the library presentations,
but I've also been doing paranormal investigations of the libraries
because we've we've I've done a few last year that
said that they were actually haunted libraries and had activity.

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So one of the things that they asked was we
we do a paranormal presentation. Holly Equipment stuff works and
then we'd come out and do an investigation, kind of
do a demonstration.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
So that's it's kind of kind of cool. You what
did you think of that? It was interesting and it
was it was fun depending on the place we were.
Didn't really get a lot of associated with the places,

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but we got a lot of interesting people and you know,
learned a lot about them. Yeah, you're very surprised.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
That's one of the things that is very important when
you do the paranormal investigations with groups and like public investigations,
is it's not always the library that's haunted or something
attached to the library of book or something there. But
when you open up this door to say, you know,
we're going to have an investigation and these people come,

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you say, okay, is you know, is there anyone here
that wants to communicate with us and come through? And
the people that are on these investigations their family and
friends and stuff come through for them. So we get
a lot more of that than we do actually, you know,
former librarians.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Or you know, stuff like that, because those people are
new to the setting and then their their family go
you know, their past family say hey, this is an
opportunity I can actually get through to them, you know,
they have some kind of message you're just telling they're okay.
That one lady's husband that came through.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
We had we had people crying because of the stuff
that we were getting. We did Estes method, which is
headphones blinder and then the spirit box and uh we
actually got one on one communications for some of the
people that were there and messages for them come through.
And it was really neat to be able to bring

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this to you know, for free general public, you know,
and take this to different locations and stuff. We did
three libraries. We did the Shaano Public Libraries. Anybody that's
listened to my show you kind of remember what I
was promoting last year and stuff. But we did Shano, Brownsville,
and the Nina Public Library. And we had a huge turnout.
At the Nina Public Library, we had their entire circulation

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desk was surrounded by people for this investigation we did
in the kind of downstairs children's section where they had
had some weird paranormal things happen there. The Brownsville Public
Library said that they had spirits down in the basement
where we were actually speaking and well magot to come
on these Usually I just do the presentations and stuff

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by myself, but for these I had her come because
it's easier to do like the estes and stuff when
you have another person here.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
So don't look at me. I'm not gonna talk.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Yeah, I do the presentations, but then she kind of
she brings some other equipment and stuff and then participates
in the investigation. It's easier to handle bigger groups of
people like that when you have more than.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
One person there. So it's it's always beneficial.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
So if you hear any sirens or anything, we're we're
in a very active area of town that you know,
things go by all the time. So you see us,
look outside. All of a sudden, there's a window back here. Yeah, yeah,
that's not it's over there.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I did.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
It was so dark in here when I got here,
you would have thought it was bedtime anyway.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Awesome, Well, uh yeah, so it was. It was really interesting.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Oh and did I talk about the Shanel Library had
books that are One specific book which was really interesting
was The Exorcist, not an exorcism book, but the Exorcist book. Uh,
fly off the shelf and land in the middle of
the aisle. They talked about. They also said they had
like guitar strings. They have like rental instruments, like you

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check out books, You can check out other things at libraries.
And then this is really cool because I didn't I
didn't realize that you can check out nowadays. Yeah, like
fishing gear and musical instruments, sewing machine. I think they
have like three D printers and stuff there too, And
I mean all kinds of stuff, you name it. There's
the Shano Library, especially as a whole room of just

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all this stuff that you can go check out and
you need to borrow something or you some that's really cool.
The Appleton Public Library. I haven't spoke there, but I
know that they just started this new section since we're
on the topic here. They have a whole section of
books that are no questions asked.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
So have you seen this? Have you been to the
Appleton Library? It's all anywhere they have this whole section.
It's it's no questions asked.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
It's all like self harm, uh, you know, pregnancy, transgender
all this like self help books and stuff like that,
and you know, like things that people might not be
comfortable asking for looking for and stuff and you don't
have to check it out. You just go in and
you take the book. You can return it or you
can keep it. There's a big sign there's that's for that.

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So I'd be interested, like a lot of other libraries
might be getting on board with this. So anybody listening,
if you have any any problems like that, or any
you know, thoughts or concerns or anything, you know, go
check your local library. There's there's great resources there for
you to you know, check out, check out awesome. Well,

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for those of you who don't know, Ma's on our team.
She is a research investigator. She does a lot of
the online stuff and book reading and that of the team.
So she is here to talk not only about some
of the stuff that we've encountered and researched and stuff recently,
but also kind of here for our book reviews. Because
on if you guys have been following CAPS for a

(15:59):
long time, we used to do a show called Whispers
from the Dark and that was the first podcast that
we started, and it was our team podcast, and uh,
she did a section on there.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Called Ma's Book Corner. Hopefully you can hear this. Hopefully
that came through because otherwise that was a lot of
dead air but we heard it on our end. Uh

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So yeah, Ma's book corner.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
So you've you've read a lot of books by a
lot of the guests that I've had on the show
and a lot of people that we've met in person
and stuff, and you've you've prepared some presentation for us
today the books.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
All right, what do we got up first here? Okay,
first of all, I really enjoy all these books while
I'm reading them. I have some memory issues and you know,
I don't remember things later, but I really enjoy wild
I mean, so, okay, Well, you don't need the book
because yeah, anyway, this is Jad Lewis's Wind to Go Lord.

(17:13):
That's really cool. If you want to know anything about
a wind to go, it's in there, and it's kind
of creepy. I read it at night before I went
to sleep, which was not a good idea, but it's
it's really good, So I think you should read that.
And then windogoes are like winter. You don't a lot
of people don't think of that, but they are a winter, cold,

(17:37):
ice heart kind of thing. So it's always included in
his Christmas or Winter well, his winter more presentation. But
he talks about all things Christmas, and then he talks
about the wind. I don't know, tok you, I don't remember. Afterwards,

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it's a cannibalistic.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
He's you know, that was an emaciated person that has
basically like a shaman or something that's gone bad and
sold his soul and basically become this ice creature that
is a cannibal, goes around by eating someone from your family.
We're doing other things to your family. Yeah, Chad Lewis,

(18:28):
Kevin Lee Nelson. Awesome, they didn't get to hear your
wonderful uh bumper music for.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Book corner. Yeah, that's what it was. He didn't miss much,
but all right, okay, no, you've got a whole file. Okay,
and then uh on this one, I about a while,

(19:01):
but it's lot of blackburns. I'm ill. I didn't want
to show it if I'm not there. His Boggy Creek
book casebook. It's really cool. Like I said, I enjoy
all these books, and that one was a fun read,
a lot of information I didn't know about the Boggy

(19:24):
Creek and the movie and all that stuff. I like
that one. And then I have another loud blackburn. These
are all books I read this year. Just you know,
I started with The Wind to Go at the end
of like this time last year, and it took me
a while. This one, this book is Texas Bigfoot. I
just finished last night, so I know a little bit

(19:46):
more good short term memory loss, so you know, I
don't remember much. But this is all about Texas, all
the different areas of Texas. And he just I like
the way he writes because he tells it more like
a story rather than this is just their account of

(20:07):
it or just you know, just the facts. He comments on,
you know, stuff during it, and so it's a little
more interesting, more story kind of book. Okay. I also
like Ken Gearhart's books, but I didn't read any of
this year. So Blackrin ken Gearhart go together. Okay. Then

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he had Kenny Irish on his show earlier this year,
and then I went and bought some of his books.
Actually I have three, but two of them have read
so far. Which one do you want? Okay? American Monster Hunters.
This one is where he went around and he interviewed
all kinds of people you'd know in the bigfoot community

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and he tells their stories a little bit of you
know about each one, like Ken Gerhart Adam Davis, Alexander Pedacov,
Lauren Coleman, you know, and they tell stories in there,
so he like I talks to each one and it's
I'm saying the same thing over. It's a compolish I

(21:14):
don't know that. It's like a mini biography book. Yeah,
it's all. It's all of them guys like Q and
As with different bigfoot researchers and investigators. And then this
one American Cryptids. This is the American one. He goes
state by state and discusses cryptids from each state and
it's kind of cool because some of them don't know
that they were really in your state. So I don't

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really read a lot of out of state books, but
because I don't go out of state that much anymore.
But I found him interesting. And then oh, okay, the
other crypto one. This is international one. This one I
haven't read. Actually I just started reading it before we
start talking. But literally she was going to read it

(21:59):
to you on so You're welcome. You wanted to kill
twelve minutes, so I was going to start reading the book.
But this one is the next book I will read.
So Kenny Irish, Kenny Irish, because cheap to buy three
of them at one time. Three of them.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
All of these books you can grab on Amazon. I
was gonna put them in the show notes, but there's
there's like eight of them here, so I didn't want
to put all eight links in the show notes. But
all these books, if you're watching this on YouTube or
watching it live, you can see the covers and everything
with the authors and that, so you can go check
these books out and see all their other books as well.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
And some of these some of these.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Authors like Kenny Irish, Chad Lewis What else did You Have?
Lyle has been on my show, either on this show
or Monsters on the Edge, which I do on Mondays,
So all these authors you can check them out as well.
Nick redfern Our next author, though has not been on
my show.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
If you ever want to read a book where you
get like kind of freaked out, read a Nick Redford
book book. They're they're really cool. But this one had
really small print, so it took me a long time
to read, but it's it's really cool and he gets
into all the different just ways in life that have

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to do with time travel that you wouldn't even think of,
like you know, time travel and movies, and he describes
it all and explains it all, and it's just a
really That one's a really cool book. I really like that,
but it took me forever to read. I know, I'm
not saying much because I don't remember details. I just
remember I really liked it. Okay, So then after I

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read that one, I had to read Mike rick Sacker's
time travel book. Now, Mike has a whole not a
whole different take. It's a lot like stuff Nick was
talking about. But Mike deals also in the paranormal of
time travel because he believes that shadow people are really
time travelers or you know, I have to do with that,

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that you're either seeing yourself as the shadow person and
they're just there. He has a lot of stories in
there about, you know, actual happenings where a guy was
in his kitchen and he sees, well, actually, when he
was young, he was in the kitchen as a child,

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and he sees a shadow person in the kitchen with him,
and you know, has has this experience, and then when
he grows up, he's in the kitchen doing the same
thing he was doing and he actually sees a child
shadow person. So it's like he's seeing himself, come in
talk to him.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
So, if you've seen the you have, I know, but
if anybody else is out there has seen them, who's
the guy from m I paricn Yeah, it's a really
weird one, the weirdo professional weirdo Jeah John Tenny. Yeah,

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he tells the story of asking someone you can't remember anything. Yeah,
there you go, a family sitting in the living room
by a fire sees these people stand in the kitchen,
and the people in the kitchen scream. And then years
later they're standing in the kitchen and they see this
whole family by the fireplace, and then they scream because

(25:32):
they see all these people sitting in their living room.
And he tells kind of the same story as that.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, but Mike gets for table of contents here. He
gets into you know, paradoxes and time slips and doppelgangers
and your dreams and you know, simulated universe and all
kinds of stuff. So it's I don't know, both these
books really make it think. So if you like doing that,

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why they take me so long to read because I
think too much about them. So that's pretty much the
books that I read this year.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
This one.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I started, but then we he had Christopher Nowel on
It doesn't say that on there. Oh, yes, this is
by Christopher Noel. You had him on the show, and
Christopher pretty much when you talk to Christopher, he tells
you the whole book, you know, in.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Two hore conversation. Ironically, when he was on the show, though,
he didn't talk much about this book. Well, I tried
to get him to stay on topic, but he was
going to.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Read the second chapter literally. Out of the books on
the show, that was the one that we kept I
kept jumping off and he was doing his own showcase
kept leaving. We had a lot of technical issues on
that show. But yeah, that's that's one of my future
reads too.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
And I have read this book Homegrown Monsters by Christopher
Nowel before the show. He sent me, well, he sent
me the copy of it and then and is really good.
If you are into more information and more details on
any of the topic than you ever thought that you
needed to or wanted to know, it's a very good book.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
He goes into a lot of detail on that. It's
like his Beyond the Veil book too. He goes way
back to seances and stuff, and then brings you up
to modern day kind of stuff, what they're doing in
paranormal stuff, in psychics and mediums and everything. So that's

(27:34):
another book by him. I've read a lot of his books,
but that was like I said, I gotta read this
one next, and then I don't know. I have a
whole pile. I still have a whole pile of Chad
Lewis books over there, but they're all from the other states.
It's like cel Dicota, I am. I've read, I've read Michigan,
I've read Wisconsin. I want to say in Red Minnesota,

(27:59):
but otherwise I have a whole bunch of other states.
Florida and between the two of us, we own every
book that Chad has out except for the I didn't
buy it, M sorry. Ched a circus book, yes, and

(28:20):
the circus book. We're waiting for that circus book. There's
a circus book that Chad is supposed to be writing.
Another wrote and want Haunted Trains. Yeah, absolutely, you know,
so if somebody out there wants to write book about.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
Haunted trains, I'll read it. There was a comment here
I was gonna say, isn't uh you have that one
haunted train book? The Haunted Reels book.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
I have it.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
I just went through talking here question for you, did
MA get a chance to read The Freight Before Christmas?
Surviving Crampus and Other Yule Tide Monsters, Witches and Ghosts
book by Jeff Belonger. Jeff is an excellent guest to interview.
I have not had Jeff on the show, but I
have met him in person a couple of times.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
I've talked to him, but I haven't I haven't gotten
in with these books, and I didn't get any like Tobias.
I haven't read Bias's books. I have all Tobias books.
I have to go through my shelf and then I
can go through his shelf. So and then, but I
kept dying, you know, the latest ones this last year

(29:28):
or maybe not this year. But I bought him the
year before and then I read them all this year.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
So still, when are we going to get a Ma?
And Barnaby Jones interviewing Zila Edgar of just another uh,
just another tinfoil hat.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I don't know. There's Lee. I don't know who that is.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
She's from Wisconsin. There's a lot of people based in Wisconsin,
and and I mean there's a lot of us here
in Wisconsin. I didn't even know about, you know, the uh.
Oh I was gonna tell you, Uh, the guy that
did the research for my Haunted Hometown episode with Bean Snappers.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
That guy. Uh, he was just on on the news
talking about some local thing. Uh the first.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
You know, we know everything about everything, the first land contract.
It's a historical mark or something. He was talking about that,
and and it didn't show his name, but I saw him.
I was at the restaurant and he was up on
a TV and the news was on and he was on.
But I've never heard of the guy before he was

(30:47):
on the show, and I can't tell you.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Who he is now.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
But Lee Warner, welcome, happy Thanksgiving to you. Thanks for
joining us, Octopus with no Friends as well. If he
didn't see me, wave at you. Thanks for coming on,
coming on, coming on, joining us whatever you know. Okay,
I was going back up here. Hello, there it is

(31:10):
grand Isizer would also like to know did we get
a chance to interview Linda Godfrey before when she was
still with us, and what are your thoughts on her
books and research? So that's what got us into this
pretty much. We we went and met Craig and Barbed
Sulk up at the Heiden Adventure, which is big Foot

(31:31):
Upper Michigan, and they had had Linda Godfrey at their
convention up there, and Craig introduced us to Linda Godfrey's
books and we both started reading that and that's what
led us to the Burlington Woods and what started our
research and Caps from the beginning there. But so to
answer the first part of that question, we both were

(31:54):
supposed to, well, actually the team was supposed to go
out with Linda to one of her areas where she
had an encounter, and unfortunately, she got sick that day
and didn't want to go out. It was going to
be rainy and crabby, and so we didn't get a
chance to go out with her. But we did get
a chance to talk to her on the phone. So

(32:17):
in fact, I ended up editing that phone call because
we recorded it and stuff as well, But I ended
up editing that And as I mentioned earlier, the original
Whispers from the Dark podcast that I used to do
with the Caps team, there's an episode after she passed
away that I released that interview and some of her
thoughts and stuff on there. So you can go listen
to pretty much the only interview that I've done with her,

(32:39):
but I wasn't doing the show back then before.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yes, And in an interview, we pretty much just got
directions from her where all her encounters were and so
that we could go research it anyway, because we were
going to go anyway. And then I did ask her
about shadow people. I don't know why, because I don't
know what she knows about shadow people because she was

(33:04):
mostly bigfoot and other kind of things, but you know,
she gave me her opinion. Nice. Uh yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
So for those of you guys who missed it, we
did an untold radio Thanksgiving special last night and myself,
Doug high Check, Roger, Chris and I can think it
was was his name, Dean Dean Bertram was on there,
you and uh.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
That's big.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
I can't think of his name, but we were all
on there anyway. Uh, so you can go check that out.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
It is on.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Rogers Show last night, the The Told Radio notework, Jeff,
Thank you, Jeff. But anyway, we were talking on there
about blood types and how it was really weird that
everyone had own negative of blood and there were so
many people in the comments section, like almost everybody on

(34:05):
there did and Lee Warner brings it up here again
as well. Is my own negative blood type? And we
actually had this discussion when I came in here today.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
I'm be positive, but I had a brother that was
own negative and he was very much into paranormal andorns
and all kinds of stuff. And he actually has a
daughter who has abilities, but she doesn't want to use them,
so she tries to, you know, keep it under control.
But yeah, weird.

Speaker 6 (34:37):
My brother was a lot weird, all of our family. Yeah,
he taught me everything he knew about.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
The Uh, I gotta think here. Squatch and Holler.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
Was the show last night that we were on Grandizer,
So it's on it's on the same channel that you're
watching this on. It's on the Untold Radio network. But
it was Squatch and Hollers show with Roger and Uh.
That was the Thanksgiving episode for Untold Radio and we
were all there was six of us on there, all
the other show hosts and stuff. We all got together

(35:21):
and did that. Lisa's like, mom likes son be positive.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Now, that was weird. That was weird, I know, it was.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah, like we said, most of the other hosts, Uh,
Doug high Check, Roger Chris Dean I even think said
he was.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
I think it was just me and Jeff that weren't.
He was A and I was b.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
It was.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
It was an interesting show.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
But we'll have to continue that on and see I'd
like to do some polling at some of the conventions
and speaking engagements and stuff I do kind of with
the audience and that.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
So, I know, you guys were talking about, you know,
other connections, and we had noticed the connection with just
the people that came up to us at different places
and told us their stories about Bigfoot sightings who have
actually seen them, and they all seem to be over
six feet tall, all of them chewed tobacco, tobacco. I'm

(36:30):
trying to think. I was trying to think most of
them that I can think of had facial hair. I
don't know if that makes a difference, but you know,
I just thought, if Bigfoot sees you in the woods
and you're hairy too, like them, I don't know. That
was that was my thought last night watching your show.
But yeah, they were large guys.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
And yeah, yeah, so that's a very very yeah, grand iSER. Yeah,
the Linda Godfrey episode is on Whispers from the Dark,
not in the Dark. Those are two totally different podcasts.
Whispers from the Dark is the Caps podcast, and you

(37:14):
can find that on the Wisconsin Caps YouTube channel, which
is in the show notes, or you can find Whispers
from the Dark on all the podcast platforms too. It
was one of the final episodes of Whispers from the
Dark because right at the end of that then I
started doing Monday Morning Monsters on WLTKDB before I came
to the Untold Radio Network.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
So it's on our YouTube channel.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
You can go check it out my YouTube channel, Wisconsin Caps,
not the until Radio.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Interesting. I thought I had one other question over here.
Comment that's you Maybe I got them all.

Speaker 5 (38:01):
The Beast of Bray Road. The Beast is creepier, gonna reaper,
gonna creep and walk right all night. Oh these are lyrics.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
I thought this was common. All right up? Oh why
am I going? Okay, there we go. All right, We
are all caught up now.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
If you guys have any questions, we are live here
on Thanksgiving, So thank you all for joining us. We
got a couple of people watching, a couple of comments.
That's awesome. I appreciate it. Thanks for sharing your Thanksgiving
with us. We haven't done too much stuff this year.
We tried for CAPS for research and stuff like that,
but we we kept getting rained out for a lot

(38:43):
of stuff that we tried to do a lot of
our own. Nice We spent an entire weekend on a
private property and we were out there because they had
bigfoot activity there and a literally rain almost the entire weekend,
so we were out there in rain gear and stuff.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
We kept going but yeah, not that far. Can yes,
found some other weird stuff going on there, But we.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Have we've been We've had an issue for those of
you that do follow my work with with CAPS.

Speaker 6 (39:21):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
So we we release or we try and release a
CAPS Road Trip episode every two months, so there's six
episodes a year, and we haven't had one for quite
a while. And the reason for that is is we
had some issues with releasing one of the episodes. It's
been put on hold for personal reasons and it will

(39:46):
get released, but it got held up for stuff. The
house episode. No, No, they still have to sign paperwork,
so we were we're waiting to release that. But I
would like to share on here and kind of talk

(40:06):
about some of the stuff that we got there on
that episode. Because as long as we don't kind of
go into.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
Uh, the reason is is they're they're selling the house
and uh, they don't want the paranormal tied up into
it because of like Native American burial stuff that may
or may not be attached to the house and legalities
of having to sell the land that has been brought
into it. But we did get a chance to investigate it,

(40:36):
and we had a really cool conversation up in one
of the rooms.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
What don't you want me to talk about because I, oh, well,
we can talk about the room there. Yeah. Yeah, so
we you didn't want me to talk about that either, Well,
I just don't say names. I mean, oh yeah. But uh,
we found out that the one daughter felt safest up

(41:05):
in that room and there was this rocking chair in
the room, and there's an older lady spirit attached to
that rocking chair or not not attached to the rocking
chair chair. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
She said that if she sat in the chair, made
noise and something else would come.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, he would come. She didn't like him, whoever he was.

Speaker 7 (41:27):
We didn't really get to the bottom of that, but
we did get you want to talk about that stuff?
She had what she wanted to talk about and that
was it, and she got that through.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Eventually she had a message. She didn't understand the equipment,
so it was really hard. You know, it's more challenging
to get answers from her because I don't know, she
was an old lady when she was there, so so
she didn't understand any technology except the flocks, like.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
She could she answer yes and no, and the lights
on the floor and the trip wire lights.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, that was so cool.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
I mean it was it was one to one answers
like is this you know, yes, and then everything would
go for yes. We would get a very distinct reply yeah, yeah.
And we found out she had a message for the
youngest daughter that she reminded her of herself when she
was young, and the way that she she tossed her

(42:29):
hair reminded her of herself. And so we get the
daughter on the phone on video chat and she she
had a conversation with the spirit of the older lady
there very much to the fact of she she flipped
her hair for her on camera and all the lights
on the floor lit up on cute you know, like

(42:49):
thank you, and it was it was really cool experience.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
So you get to see that that.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
Is all in the episode coming out. We're just waiting on.
We're waiting on for some final paperwork of the house
sale to go through before we can release this episode.
But I do have a clip that I want to
play because this was absolutely blew my mind here. So
we were we were doing a live stream of the
investigation to the rest of the team members on our

(43:17):
private page, and I plugged in the phone that we
were live streaming on into the wall to keep it
running so the battery didn't die while we were going
to do an ESTA session.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
And.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
I walked out of the room and I came back
with a camera, and it just so happened that I
had set that camera down facing the wall. Otherwise we
wouldn't have captured this.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
But the plug that I.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
Had put in the wall shoots out, not like didn't fall.
It wasn't a loose fitting outlet or nothing, but it
literally shoots out from the wall and falls on the floor.
And so you can see this club here. You can
see it a couple of times, so check us out. Yeah,

(44:27):
it was just insane, and and the fact that we
got that on camera was really cool.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
So we were all right there when it happened to
somebody wanted attention. Yeah, and nobody.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
I was the closest one to it at the time
when it happened, and I I didn't touch it, I
didn't bump it, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Do anything like that. It was just there. Uh, it
just happened once. How many times did it happen? It
just happened once.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
I you see it on a loop there and as
the full regular video and then tightened up. And then
the third time is that slowed down so you can
see that it doesn't like slide out and down. It
literally shoots out like somebody yanked it out by the
cord and it goes straight out and then drops down.
It's really cool, and it took me a while to

(45:20):
find that because I didn't know. We have like when
we do investigations, we all have cameras on ourselves and
then we have a bunch of cameras on tripods that
we set up to monitor different areas. So when we
came down and we were upstairs and we moved downstairs,
like I said, I I just brought all these tripods
down and I set them in the corner of the
room there, and it just happened that this one was

(45:41):
aimed at the outlet, and I had to find that
camera angle because I didn't have a video aimed at
the camera, so I didn't know which camera was aimed
that way, but I knew one was.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
So we're very organized here camera. Yeah, exactly. It happens
a lot. But that episode is coming. It is not
out yet.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
It is.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
It is called All's Well that Ends Well, And actually
if you are a member of the Cryptids, Anomalies and
Paramoumal Society Patreon, it is on there ready, but it
is not released to the general public kit so it's
not on our YouTube. It will be, but we do
have Our next episode is coming out very soon. I

(46:30):
think it's this this weekend is the Mound Builders episode,
and this is something that we've been working on since
twenty nineteen. It's it was, okay, you look, I thought
you were going to say something.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
I've been playing. I know they're fun to play, and
I'm looking camera. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
Or I will sit unbtton the bottom button on my
shirt over and over. It's off camevras, so you can't
see it.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I do that on the shows too.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
But anyway, the Mountains Builder episode is something that we've
been working on since twenty nineteen when we started CAPS
right after our initial Burlington Woods episode that we did,
we started looking into and this ties back again. I
was going to bring this up on last night's Untold
Radio Thanksgiving special. We were talking about areas that have

(47:26):
quartz crystals being possibly high in paranormal or cryptid activity
and why that would be. And we initially didn't look
for quartz crystals, but we started looking into areas that
had no urban legends. So an area that had an

(47:50):
urban legend, was there high EMF there was there? There's
something special about those areas, like hitchhiking, ghosts, women in
white locations of things like that. And we started looking
into the Black Bridge, the Red Bridge, and a lot
of these burial mountains sites, you know, the effigy mounds
and stuff. So we've been working on this episode since
twenty nineteen and it just hasn't been done. I haven't

(48:14):
felt that we did what we set out to do,
but we have released it, or we will be releasing
it this coming week.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
I think I think it's Sunday. It comes out on
our YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
It is.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
It is already out on our Patreon as well, so
you get the episodes on our Patreon early if you're
a member of the Wisconsin Caps Patreon. But yeah, I
think it comes out to the general public on Sunday.
But it's a good episode. We go to Astalin State Park,
we go to or I go down to Kahokia in Illinois,

(48:50):
and it's a lot of information on the mounds, the builders,
the thoughts behind the mound builder people and stuff, and
you get to see us do some some cool investigator
at some of these sights as well.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Everything to add on that. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't well, yeah,
I shouldn't feel good about it. Okay, there it is.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
Uh is there a wiscons Encrypted that you wish you
were given more attention to? One that seems to fly
under the radar but maybe has its fair share of sightings.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
When you go hmm, yeah, Chad talked about. I mean
I'll want to find one, you know, I mean, what
was wiscons And there's a you know, eased a brain road,
the big food h mothman, bad squatch, moth squatch. I

(50:08):
don't know he flew so.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
H There was a report down in Oregon, Wisconsin of
a bigfoot with wings, very mothman esque but bigger muscular arms,
like like a bigfoot, but with wings, and we went
down investigated that as well. We have looked into dog
Man as well a couple of times. We haven't gotten

(50:32):
any evidence or anything on that yet though.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
So well, Doug was talking about thunderbird or whatever. I
don't know if there's in Wisconsin. He's in Minnesota. Yeah,
he was.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
Well, the thing that he saw he thought was a mothman.
That he talks about, the thing flying, the thing flying
at the front of their car. I've heard that story
a couple of times. That's more of a mothman creature.
People live studio audience walking by out.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
By my window. People aren't used to my curtains being
open in my living room. So when they walk by
and there's a big light in the room, you know,
they they tend to look in the window.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
You don't want him to do that. In my neighborhood.
Have you had spooky things happened to you your whole life? Yeah, yeah,
there you go. You heard it her friends, that's it.
No further you know, because my brother, you know, my
brother would two things he told me when I was little.
He bought us. I had four brothers so he bought

(51:40):
Uiji board, brought it into the house and told me
never to touch it, you know. But of course my
other brother and I did, you know. So I don't
know how much of that was real. With my younger
he's not younger, he's my young older brother. Four older brothers,

(52:02):
So the youngest one and I used to do the
Ouiji board even after the other one told us not to.
I don't know how much it did move. I don't
know how much my brother was doing and how much,
you know, was real. But he tried to greet me out.
But my older brother, he he had a lot of

(52:24):
weird things go on. He didn't talk too much about
it because he was actually nine years older. So by
the time I was old enough to you know, know
anything not to do, they were they were moved out
of the house. So but yeah, we had we had
like a mirror that always fell off the wall, and

(52:44):
it was a round mirror, so it would fall down
and then it would roll. It never broke, it just
rolled off of It was at the bottom of a
set of stairs, like thirteen steps or something to the upstairs,
and it slid down the wall and then rolled to
offer one more step into the living room, so we'd
always find it by my dad's chair. But and we

(53:07):
just hang it back up, you know. I mean it
had a string on the back that held it up
on a nail, but the string was never broke. The
nail was always in the wall and it just slid
down the wall. So we named our ghost Boris, and
he would turn lights on and off, and you know,
just weird things. I've always had, like a lot of

(53:34):
deja vous stuff, like I've seen this before, I've done
this before, I've dreamt it. When I was little, I
used to have a lot of dreams about giants and skeletons.
And I remember one time I was sick.

Speaker 6 (53:54):
And I was in bed.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
I was little, you know, I wasn't maybe seven or something.

Speaker 7 (54:01):
Like that, and I.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Woke up. I rolled over. I looked at the floor
next to my bed, and there was a skull sitting
there on the run. And I didn't like that, and
so I rolled back over, you know, and never told
anybody about it. And that was a giant sculler, right,
it was a regular sized skull. Yeah, it was a
giant And I never told anybody about it, and I

(54:28):
just went I don't like that, and I don't like skeletons.
I don't like giants. Sorry, never walking back again, squirrel.
But yeah, I don't know. I just I've had a
lot of weird things, and now now I pretty much

(54:52):
can when something weird happens, I can put it together
that it came for a reason, and I can figure
it out more now I understand it. But then, you know,
when you're a little kid, you don't know why you're
seeing these things and stuff. But I had a lot
of dreams. There's always skeletons, giants and skeletons, you know,

(55:12):
and giant skeletons. Just walking down the street. It was
a specific street down down a block away from my house.
It's walking down that street. I don't know why I
was over there by the elementary school. I don't know.
But yeah, I've always been weird. Well, even even here.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
If you go back on the caps page, our first
live Halloween special was here in your garage because you
had a lot of We had a lot of activity
out there since you rebuilt it.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Yeah, you shouldn't tear down things and rebuild things. Don't
like that. But I've had a lot of work done
here at the house too, built the room in the back,
but we didn't really he destroyed a little bit of
the house to build a Roman. But you one of
your very first investigations with Derek, when in my basement,

(56:13):
came up and told me there was something awful in
the front room down there. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
I vaguely remember that, but I don't remember it. I
remember being down there with the Derek didn't like that.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
It's some pump room, so maybe water. I don't know
if you guys can hear that or not. But something
just kicked in or rumbled or I don't know what
that was. Yeah, speaking of that could have been or
some bump. No, no, that hasn't run for a long time.

(56:48):
It's too dry.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
M Yeah, there's no snow out there, barely any ah. Yes, uh,
the haunted Turkey deco.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Yes that I asked him, you know, I asked him
if if I could invite Tom in, and I didn't
answer it. I didn't answer. So Tom's out in the garage. Yeah,
he probably would be very upset to see what's in
the oven.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
I was.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Yeah, I didn't like it either, But you know, the
free free food, you got free food, you gotta cook
it and throw it away, that's right, can't just throw
it away. So I was in Okay, here you go.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
Here is your question of the day, right there? Uh
tid you Ninja eighty five says, has your mom seen
a sasquatch?

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Mm hmyep, short answer, YEP. I've seen two of them.
One was an upper Michigan about twenty feet away in
the dark, so it was like a black on black
shadow outline whatever. And I've seen another one in Kentucky,

(58:11):
all black across the road, broad daylight, about a block away,
and we investigate well, investigating both of them. But the
one in Michigan was about six three and huge, and

(58:35):
he was standing at the end of a car port
and when I saw it, one arm was going up
in the air, and I thought it was reaching up
to hit the carport to make a noise because up
there we had had a lot of interactions with with

(59:00):
bigfoot at night. But this time I actually saw it,
but they had thrown rocks and hit the car port.
Craig and I used to sit out here at night
by the carport. We were face camp, and then Barnaby
would go walk the property with whoever was up there,
and I turned and where Craig is standing back there.

(59:22):
I don't know if you can see me. You've got
an orange shirt on. Craig is six three, three hundred pounds,
and this thing was a little taller than him and
a lot bigger, thicker, and with his arm up like that,
I could see hair come down, like from the elbow,
but it was in motion, and I just turned back away,

(59:44):
so I didn't I didn't see where he went, you
know anything. We heard him walk up and that's why
I looked over there. You can't see the There's a
four x four post behind Craig that I could always
see in the dark. And when I looked over there,
the first thing I noticed was I couldn't see the
post back there anymore. And and then I then I

(01:00:08):
could see the outline. And then and it moved so
that one the Kentucky one. He just crossed the road
and should have came down the sidewalk on the other
side of the street one way or the other, because
there was a big set of bleachers in the way.
And I waited and I watched, I looked both ways.

(01:00:28):
There's it didn't go down the sidewalk, and the only
way on the other side of the street was water,
so and he couldn't have jumped like twenty feet across
the good of maybe, but a person couldn't have jumped
across that water. So yeah, there was a really really yeah, yeah,

(01:00:54):
it's got a picture. There was a really rickety bridge
across the water down there, but it wasn't safe for
anybody to cross, especially not you know, three hundred, four
hundred pound creature three four or five hundred whatever he was.
But then then we did walk behind this building. You
can't point either, what do you want to point this building?

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
No, we well we walked away behind I want to
go way behind it and behind that one. We were
behind that one and we could hear or I could
hear things going on like in that building, but it
was They told us it was really dangerous and not
to go in that building as abandoned and very dilapidated.

(01:01:37):
So but it was kind of creepy walking back there,
because of course we gotta go look, and we did.
We did go down where we where I saw it
come up from the other side of the street, and
he found a footprint in the mud over there. So
electrical trial. Yeah, so and then we supposedly Bigfoot likes coal,

(01:02:04):
or like if you have a charcoal grill and the
coals are warm, yet supposedly they go and they chew
on them. They're supposed to like that for some reason,
medicinal kind of thing. And when we went behind that
building and followed sort of a trail, weren't sure we

(01:02:25):
belonged back there. But if we go a lot of places,
we don't belong, but he does. I try not to.
But we found a big coal pile, oh yeah, and
you know that that kind of ended the trail, and
then it went off into the woods.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
The trail continued on, but there was other good there
was other circumstances as to why we turned back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
I was hungry, that's always so, yeah, But you know,
I saw it. There's no explanation for this thing to
be black from head to toe and as thick as
it was. And when Barnaby re enacted it, the thing
was like three times the size of him and only
took you know, like they say, four steps across the road.

(01:03:14):
So and if Barnaby had at least seven or eight,
you know, to get across that road. So I don't
know that was it. And I asked the guy at
the coal mine, because we went in to investigate there,
and he said, you'd never heard of anybody else seeing that?
Because I thought, well, maybe it was a miner, like
a ghost ghost of a miner, yeah, because they do

(01:03:35):
have them in the coal mine. And he said, no,
nobody had ever said anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
So, but yeah, did we take a picture or cast
the footprint? We did not cast it because it was
it was on an embankment, like of a ditch, side
of a ditch, and there was like cement supports for

(01:04:04):
the I'm gonna pull this picture back up here. I'm
not on my regular computer, so I don't have all
the pictures, but this is what I got on my
laptop because we do it in the presentations. But so
you're looking basically backwards from where were where she saw it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
So this.

Speaker 5 (01:04:27):
This coal elevator here, the base of that goes down
into the ditch over there, and the base of that
is right where we had seen this footprint where we
found the footprint, but it crossed over and then you
can see here where the cement is. This is all
water down there and there's one small bridge not here.
It's it's over here more. But it's about like like

(01:04:51):
this kind of just very thin with the railings and stuff.
So anything that tried to cross that was very small
bridge to get a ros this. Otherwise you had to
go way down down here by the train to get
across to the parking lot there where we were at.
But we did not cast it because it was on

(01:05:12):
an incline there and I didn't have any casting supplies anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
But I.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Don't have pictures on this computer. I don't know if
I have a picture of it, but we do have
it on video.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
We both had our goal pros and stuff on, so
I know it's on video, and I know you can
see it in the episode where we go down and
are investigating it, and we show the video of finding
the footprint on the episode, So that's on our YouTube channel.
Lee Warner says, activated charcoal is good for your teeth.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
I suppose my friends used to brush with charcoal paste
or something. M hm cool, mm hm.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
Grandizer says, I wonder if the sasquatch or mom saw
was the Spotsville monster. Uh, that is an aggressive type
of sasquatch.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
He just crossed the road.

Speaker 6 (01:06:18):
Mh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
But wow, that was Kentucky. Kentucky, they aren't as well,
you know, I know so many of them don't. But
what we've heard Kentucky aren't as aggressive as the Tennessee ones.
Tennessee has more violent reportings than Kentucky. We didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
We talked to a lot of people in that town,
and uh, there wasn't much bigfoot sasquatch reports or anything.
There was a lot of haunted stuff, but other things, Yeah,
a lot of hanked locations.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Well just you know, I mean, look at the woods
and stuff around there. It could have been you know,
anywhere in there because right well where it came out
of sort of it was actually nature trails. Yeah, where
it came out of a fence now where he came from.
But up the other way, further down the road was
a road that was like a nature trail. And he

(01:07:25):
said people walk there all the time. But yeah, we
could go back on it. Yeah, he came out of
the other by the coal one ops. Uh cad you
Ninja says, have you seen a UFO.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Is?

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
I have, Yes, I've seen lights and things, but I
don't I wouldn't say, you know, major craft hovering above,
just lights in the sky that don't make sense.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
I've seen a couple of weird things in the sky,
little stuff in that well. We saw the one coming
back from Lower Michigan into Upper Michigan. That silver spot
in the sky.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
I don't know what the heck that thing was, but yeah,
I saw no I oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. People tell
us owls. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
Now I saw what I believe is a UFO hovering
over for people. Highway forty one basically goes from the
top to the bottom of Wisconsin and coming through Appleton
there where it turns to go towards Green Bay. Coming
around that curve, there was this large string of lights

(01:08:45):
and I'm not talking like starlink. This was just above
the tree line, just above the buildings there, and it
looked like what you would describe as the edge of
like a flying saucer, you know. The people described lights
around it, very bright like street lights, all the way
around this thing just sitting above this building and it

(01:09:10):
is in the flight of.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Like air traffic.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
But this was more I mean like one hundred and
fifty feet above the ground, maybe one hundred and fifty
just above the top of the buildings.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
There, and.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
It sat there as I saw it coming around, and
then I came around the curve. So this is maybe
like from the mall to that apartment, maybe like two miles,
three miles maybe passed there from the mall over to
the church, yeah, maybe like two three miles. I was

(01:09:43):
able to watch this thing hover there and then by
the time you go past it, the next exit is
farther down. I tried to get off and come back
on a side street, but it didn't go through yet.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
It's under construction.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
And I came back and I got back on the
highway and when I went back, it was gone. So
I didn't get a picture of it. And the weird
thing is is, you know you always say, well, why
don't you have a dash camera running? And I have
dash cameras running in all my vehicles, and the day
that I saw this, the dash camera was taken out
to download some footage from a recent trip that we did,

(01:10:17):
and it was not in my car, so I don't have.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Footage of it at all. But I went back and
it wasn't there. And I drive that way.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
I mean, I've lived in Appleton Area my whole life
and driven that stretch of road. There's no lights there,
there's nothing that should have been in that spot, and
there was so.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Orbs. Have you seen orbs?

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
I've seen one with my naked eye, not like on
cameras and stuff, but I saw blue basketball sized orb
that I actually also captured on thermal image. And that's
that's the majority of my.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
ORB sighting, I guess. But you've seen quite a few.
I see a lot of things. Yeah, where I saw
the sasquatch on the hiding property when Craig and I
used to sit out there and that base camp, there's
I want to say, there were big pine trees right

(01:11:13):
in front of us, and you know, we were constantly
looking at the sky, looking everywhere because there was so
much stuff that goes on up there, and they just
look at the tree. And there was quite a few times,
and even some of the other team members too, were
there one night. Look was there one night when we

(01:11:34):
saw it. It's like a like a basketball size light.
It's just a circle that appeared in the trees. And
there's no reason for you know, the moon when it
came up up there, it was always behind us, so
it wasn't anything like that, and it would just be
there for a while and we'd go look at that,

(01:11:55):
and then it would disappear, and then a little while
later it would come back, and then it disappear. And
we saw that over maybe probably four or five nights
and different nights up there, and they just appeared different
places in the tree, you know, and then you know,
barns out doing his walk of the property and and

(01:12:17):
then they come back and we go, yeah, we saw
this again. You know, we saw that work up there. Yeah,
that was the same place I saw the blue organ.

Speaker 6 (01:12:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
Yeah, there's there's another piece of footage that I just
remembered that hasn't been released on any of our stuff,
but on the same property, the Heiden Adventure property. We
were parked on this by the grill area. If anybody's
seen the episodes or anything, we were parked over there
and you had mentioned that you had heard stuff in

(01:12:49):
the woods behind our vehicles, and we had a security
camera pointed that way that night. So I went and
I checked the footage on that security camera. And it's
really weird because when you look up at the sky,
your stars, your moon, everything goes across like this, right,

(01:13:12):
So it follows the same trajectory of the sun rising
and setting. All the stars go across the sky in
the same way, and there was one bright spot in
the sky that was we'll call it just an orb
for the sake of this discussion, and it's going the
opposite way across the sky and it stays there for

(01:13:33):
several hours, basically like watching the moon in the sky.
It was very bright, very big, and it starts I
don't remember what time it started to appear, but it
fades out because the sun comes up and it gets
too bright and you can't see it anymore. So it
never disappeared. It just got too bright for you to
notice it. But it went the opposite direction, because you

(01:13:56):
can see the moon as well going over. But this
other white, bright, glowing object moves across the sky in
the opposite direction, but it was down lower to the
ground in the tree line because it at certain points
it goes like behind the trees and stuff that you
could see it on the camera. And I have it.
I have the video foots, you know, Like I said,
I'm on my laptop right now, so it's not I

(01:14:17):
can't pull it up. But we haven't released that anywhere yet.
But I always forget, like there's I mean up at
the Heightened Adventure we had so much stuff. I mean,
we turned out.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Not to be going. Took a long time for us
to figure that out.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
Well, that was it, that was the UFO that is released.
We thought we we captured a uf We did capture
a UFO on film up at the Heidened Adventure, and
we all saw it with our eyes. We got it
on camera everything, and did so much research into this
thing called the neighbors. It's not a drone, it's not
an airplane, it's nothing like that. And then a couple

(01:14:56):
of weeks later we come to find out that they
had set off a Chinese lantern and well it wasn't
a drone, but you still did it. You still set
this thing off. So but we did get to the
bottom of that one.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
That's really cool that they do it every year on
the fourth of July to celebrate people who have passed
that year. Well so then the next year it's like, okay,
well you know I didn't notice it again, No, but
you know, well if you see it, then know what
it was. But yeah, probably won a different.

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
Direction depending on the wind, start a forest fire in
a different area. Don't launch Chinese lanterns.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Especially in the woods. It's a very bad idea. If
you don't know what this is.

Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
It's a not a balloon, but it's just like paper
lantern thing and you light it on fire, light the
candle in it, and the heat raises it and takes
it off into the sky. They do it over and
you know China and stuff, they have big celebrations and
stuff that they.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Like hundred of these things, and yeah, don't do that.
It's bad. One.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
You're polluting because you're you're sending this thing off into
no man's land and you don't know where it's gonna
end up. But also you can start fires that way,
and your neighbors might think.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
That it's a UFO, yeah, because they're out there looking
for squat. Yeah, because your neighbors are watching for sass quatch.
Don't do that. Awesome, Well, thank.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
You guys all for for showing up here and checking
out all of our stuff here on Thanksgiving, sharing it
with us and you know, celebrating Thanksgiving with us today
and hope you guys are all having a.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Great Thanksgiving and all that stuff. Check yeah Turkey and
then talk to Tom.

Speaker 5 (01:16:50):
Yeah, alright, guys, if you guys have any last minute questions,
throw them in the comments section. Otherwise, we kind of
covered everything at the beginning of the show.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Today.

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
We are going to be at Crampis Festival in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
coming up here on December sixth, if you guys want
to come meet us in person. We got merchandise and
all kinds of stuff to sell there. We're going to
be in the oh I thought of it a second ago.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
What building is that? The barley room. We're in the
barley Room building, so we are in that building and
not the not.

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
The brewery itself across the street. There are vendors there
as well, but we're usually well, I don't know where
we are this year. I assume we're in the barley Room.
We've been there the last couple of years, so I
think we're back in the barley room. But we'll be
in the barley Room building. And then there's all kinds
of there's a parade, there's all kinds of stuff. It's
a huge festival down there. One day in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,

(01:17:51):
and then we're going to be in Delvan, Wisconsin in May,
and cap Con in Fond de Lac in May next week.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
The next week and planning that I just found out
I will be. I should put this on the calendar.

Speaker 5 (01:18:08):
I will be June thirteenth at the Chicago Paranormal Convention.
Jack said he was trying to come up with what
presentation he wanted me to create.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
For this year. I thought that was good.

Speaker 5 (01:18:20):
I don't get invited to speak at this convention, nor
do I get to pick what I'm talking about. I
get told that I'm going to be at this convention,
and I get told what I'm talking about, and then
I need to create a presentation.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
To do that. So I love Jack. He's a great guy.

Speaker 5 (01:18:35):
But if you it's a free event as well. Down
in Chicago, it's free. Oh yeah, it's free parking, free parking,
one dollar admission Chicago Paranormal Convention. We go every every year.
So Jack's awesome. He puts on a great event. If
you guys haven't checked it out, definitely worth going down.
It's on the edge of Chicago, so it's not if
you don't like Chicago. It's not in Chicago. It's a

(01:18:58):
countryside countryside. Yeah, so it's it's a pretty nice area.
There's Walmart right around the corner. There's there's you know,
hotel across the street. Well, I'm just saying it's not, uh,
it's not, you know, it's not. You don't have to
fight for parking like downtown Chicago, and you don't have to,
you know, deal with all that stuff. It's on the

(01:19:19):
edge of edge of the Chicago land area. That's right
down the street from uh Resurrection Cemetery Resurrection Mary. You
guys can go check that out while you're there, as
well as the Brookfield Zoo is the other way. And
if you're into circus legends and lore and history and
haunted cemeteries, there is also the Showman's Rest Cemetery right

(01:19:43):
down the street from.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Between the convention and Brookfield Zoo.

Speaker 5 (01:19:49):
So it's a great weekend full of events and activities
even if you're not going to the convention, because they're
not associated with the convention. And if you're lucky, you
might run into us the day after the event at
the Brookfield Zoo because that's where I go to the zoo. Yep,
do a lot after.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
Yeah, yeah, all right, guys, that is our show for
the day.

Speaker 5 (01:20:16):
I hope you guys enjoyed it. If you want more
information on myself and Ma, head on over to Wisconsin Caps.
C Aps Cryptids, Anomalies, and the Paranormal Society. You can
find us on all of your social media platforms. See
more about MOS, See more of my stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Watch us in action.

Speaker 5 (01:20:35):
You can see the Haunted coal Mining episode or where
we investigate Bigfoot and the coal mine down there in Kentucky.
You can see the Monks Mound episode or the Mound
Builders episode comes out. I think it's this weekend, pretty sure.
I think it's Sunday. Yeah, that one comes out, brand
new episode. What else do we talk about? The read

(01:20:57):
a book, read a book, Yeah, literacy. Don't believe everything
you read online. Only believe what you're reading a book.
Read a book, read Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
If you know that song?

Speaker 5 (01:21:16):
All right, guys, I hope you guys have a great Thanksgiving.
Until next week. Take care, be well, and I'll see
it on the edge.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
No, I won't, I won't.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
I will see that's the wrong sign of My favorite.
My favorite is, uh, we're all part of the paranormal spectrum.
Take care, be well, I'll see you next week. My favorite,
I'm going to do that again. But my favorite one is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
I want to steal it and use it, but I can't.
It's on NPR.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
It's aid, I can't think of the show National Public
Radio and the signature sign off is remember all great
radio show lets have a signature. There you go, But alright,
guys until next week, take care you will.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
We're all part of their normal spector.

Speaker 8 (01:22:16):
But you see something to know something I don't. Let's
call me O King and tell me please. I'm not
that's all that you thing streets. I'm pages in the
room and I can see it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Ky I'm bringing under a.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
Can can.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
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