Paranormal Spectrum #82 A Spontaneous Awakening with Guest Melissa Cain

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Good morning, everybody, and welcome to this week's episode of
the Paranormal Spectrum here on the Untold Radio Network. I
am your host, Barnaby Jones from Cryptids, Anomalies and the
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up this weekend, it is freezing cold, but we are
supposed to be down in Milwaukee, Wisconsin for Crampis Fest.
It is this Sunday in the Brewery District. As far

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as I know, still going, not canceled. I know a
lot of couple events in Oshkosh, Wisconsin and stuff. The
parade got canceled and stuff because of the cold. But
as far as I know, we are still on for this.
There's a Crampis Parade outside in the freezing cold and
two buildings of vendors, live music bands and stuff in
some of the different buildings down there. It's a whole

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couple city blocks worth of events and that brave the cold.

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Come on out and check it out. It's always a
great time.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Coming up next year, we are going to start off
with the Contact Modalities Expo May first through the third
in Delavan, Wisconsin, three full days. Myself and as well
as Dean Bertram from the Untold Radio Network are going
to be there and tons of other great guests. But
my guest today will tell you more about that in

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just a little bit. And then we head down to Fondelac,
Wisconsin for Crypton's Anomalies and Paranormal Convention Saturday, May ninth,
Tickets on sale January first, as well as our more
guest announcements for that Saturday, June thirteenth, we are at
the Chicago Paranormal Convention in Countryside, Illinois, and way out

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in the future, we are headed to one of the
three UFO Capitals of Wisconsin in Belleville, Wisconsin for the
Belleville Public Library.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Presentation in October.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Who starting to fill up the calendar here, so if
you guys, if you guys want me at an event,
contact me before the dates are full. But we're gonna
march on with the show today with our guest. My

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guest today, as I said at the beginning, is Melissa Kine.
She is the founder of the Contact Modalities Expo. She
is a consciousness explorer and an event visionionary. A South
Side Chicago native and retired media salesperson, Melissa experienced a
spontaneous awakening at the age of forty five that completely

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changed her life. What began as a curiosity about extraterrestrial
contact soon evolved into a deep exploration of consciousness and
human potential. Seeking to share the profound shift she'd experienced,
Melissa her amazing sport of husband John and three kids,
relocated to north central Wisconsin, where she began hosting intimate

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lakeside retreats at a historic resort she owns in the
north Woods, gatherings devoted to awakening, healing, and connection. As
her popularity grew, so did her vision to make these
experiences accessible to more people. That vision became the Contact
Modality's Expo, a groundbreaking, hearts centered annual event at Lake

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Lawn Resort in Delavan, Wisconsin. The expo unites brilliant minds
and experiential teaching exploring how science and spirit converge through
modalities such as meditation, remote viewing, UFO research, sound therapy,
quantum hypnosis, psychedelics, and more. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome

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to the show. Melissa Kane, Welcome, thanks for being here.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Thanks part of me.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
I'm so excited you have one of those wonderful bios
that makes me stop and have tongue twisters.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
The whole time, I was just thinking, like, wow, that
sounds so fancy.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
I've gotten pretty good at reading these things, and I've
had enough people on and done enough of this that
most of those words did roll off the tongue, surprisingly,
and I thought they weren't gonna but we made.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
It through it and we are here now.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
You did a great job.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
One of my most supportive people of the comments there,
Lee Warner. You may or may not know, I does
a whole bunch of these events and stuff as well,
and she has a drinking game and whenever I mess
up words, she says drink in the comments.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
So hopefully I didn't.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
I don't know if she's watching yet today, but similar,
oh yeah, she's usually on here, so there's no drinking
in the comments yet.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
So she must not have noticed, my missus.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Well, let us let us start off with the contact
Modalities expo and we'll come back to you. And so
I've I've said many times on the show, there are
too many names on this list to read out each
and every week. So, uh, why don't we let's kind
of just kind of go through a couple of the
most notable ones here, Like, what do we got coming?

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I know we have Dean Bertram from the Untold Radio.
If people listen to the other shows on the network,
you'll be familiar with him. Zach Screedy who has also
been on my show, Jack Chavez, who has been on
the show. He runs the Chicago Paranormal can mention who
else we got here?

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Well, you know, well our event started, you know last
year was our inaugural year, and yeah, the people that
you know are like our local awesome investigators and researchers.
But our headliner last year and also coming up in
twenty twenty six is Chris Bledsoe. So he's the first
name on the list. And for those who have not

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heard of Chris, he yeah, there he is right there
up in the left corner, basically in a nutshell. His
story started in two thousand and seven with he and
his son, Chris Junior, who's also appearing. And Chris Junior
is just now coming out and talking and like facing
the public with this story. But they had a remarkable

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experience where they had a huge craft, multiple crafts. They
were camping in the woods. There was hours of lost time.
They saw little humanoid beings, little two foot tall beings.
And since that event, and there were witnesses too, they
were with others camping. Since that event, Chris has had
like every contact modality, Chris has probably experienced it, but

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one of the most notable ones was his visitation and
continued visitations by who he calls the Lady, who is
basically like a beautiful apparition of a woman who set
him on this mission. Oh sorry to write his book
called Ufo of God, which is a bestseller. And really
what he's trying to do is, you know, tell the

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world there is nothing to fear, give him the truth
about our true reality. And he literally can go outside.
And he doesn't like the word summon, but I don't know.
I guess call is the other word I could use.
He can call a UFO in and one will appear
right before your eyes, you know, if it's just you
and him, if you're on a beach with three hundred people,

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et cetera. They show up, big, beautiful, gorgeous orbs show
up multiple times and They usually show up for him
within about you know, a minute of him being outside,
and all he does is say a little prayer. He
calls them angels, so he doesn't think that they're ET's
although he knows, you know, he absolutely says, I don't

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know for sure what they are, but from all of
his experiences and what he's been told over the decades,
is at their angels. So he's been in the tours now,
he's very entrenched with the government. The government has been
studying him for years and years and years, as has
the Vatican and a lot of very important people. And

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lately he's been, you know, hanging out with Sammy Hagar
and Kashaw and Margo, Robbie and all of these celebrities
that are like, I can't even believe this man can
do it. So he'll go and Hill goes up, He
goes and visits them. They go outside at night and
he and the orbs come. So he's our headliner. So
he'll be back in twenty twenty six. And we have

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so many different types. What do you want to hear
about next?

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Well, we've talked to UFOs. What do you got for
spirituality and paranormal and.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
That Okay, well, you, my friend, are covering paranormal for me,
so me, yeah, I am talk. Well, yeah, you're talking
specifically cryptives, but then you also are doing the paranormal
workshop about the instruments and the cool stuff. Anyway, Okay,
so Adam, So doctor Diane Hennessy is also coming, and

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what she well, she's been around for a very long time,
but recently she's very well known for her work with
the Telepathy Tapes. So the Telepathy Tapes is a podcast
that focuses on autistic nonverbal kids. And what's been found,

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and I'm not going to spoil it, is it's been
discovered and studied by doctor Diane that they have been
speaking telepan ethically, not only to each other, but to
their parents, to their teachers, and also kids across the
world that they've never met in real life. Okay, It's
literally amazing. And Diana has been working with these these

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individuals for a very long time. So she's going to
come and you know, tell us of her studies and
all the experiences that she's gathered up over the years
and studying this phenomenon. Adam Curry, he's a consciousness researcher.
I saw him speak live for the first time, and
I think it was twenty nineteen at Paula Harris's Star

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Warks convention. He focuses on consciousness technology, so his stuff
is so over my head that you really have to
listen to him speak because it's just it's amazing the
things that he and his people are creating that tap
into consciousness. It's mind blowing and pretty much miraculous. Sarah
Bressman Cosme, she's written several books. What she does is

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quantum hypnosis. Have you heard of that. It's like it's
regression hypnosis. It's called q HHT and it was developed
by Dolores Cannon and basically what she does is she'll
take people, you know, into a hypnotic session where she
will do you know, hypnosis therapy, and what ends up
happening is is you know, the old days, they go

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back into their past and you could heal them of
whatever trauma or things that they're going through. But what's
happened with Dolores Cannon and now Sarah Brestman Cosme. Dev
Shakti also does a form of quantum hypnosis is beings
will come out and speak through the subject who's hypnotized.

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And sometimes these beings are ascended masters like Jesus, Buddha,
you know, or sometimes they're just other types or it's
the higher self of that particular person and this they
just drop these just massive words of wisdom about our
true reality. So she's got books about Atlantis, about Avalon,

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you name, it, just stuff that it's really mind blowing.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Can I go on like channeling only through hypnosis?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's exactly what it is. It is, And what's interesting
about it is when these people are going through these sessions,
their voices will change, their demeanor will change, they'll use
words that you know, they would never even think of,
you know, they're you know, it's like these like if
Jesus started talking through you. So it's really really remarkable.

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And she's just got hours upon hours upon hours they're
all recorded and then she just transcribed them pretty much
word for word into these books and they're fascinating, awesome.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Well, we have a whole list of people here, and
as I said, there's so many to talk about. What
we could do the whole rest of the hour on
each of these guys. But I asked you before the show,
if you can get in contact with some of these people,
to have them on our show and reach out to
them because there's obviously a ton of contact people in
that but to come on here and so hopefully we
get a few of these guys to come on here

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and share some stuff with you guys and help promote
the event as well. But tickets are on sale now.
I believe that you have advanced tickets discount right now.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yep, yep, right now. We have the early bird discount
which expires on December thirty. First, they're two hundred and
ninety dollars for a three day pass. One thing that
makes our event very different from some of the other
conventions out there are it's very experiential. So while we
certainly have a lot of lectures happening on the main
stage and in our second stage, we really take a

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lot of time to add a lot of different experiences
where people can actually sample a lot of these different
modalities and see which one resonates for them and using
these techniques that are learned, they can actually transform their
lives for the better.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Very cool, very cool, awesome, And we'll come back to
that at the end of the show again to remind everyone,
and the link is in the show notes for that
as well as on the CAPS public Events page and everything,
so you can check that out if you're interested in
coming out and seeing all of us. So thankfully Dean
Bertram promotes it as well. Have you have you gotten

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on Dean's show?

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Not yet? Nope, we'll be talking.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Awesome, we'll be talking.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'm excited. So I met Dean for the first time.
I guess it was twenty twenty one. He actually so.
I was in in the resort that I own up
in the Monoco area of Wisconsin. Was featured in a
documentary called Alien Abduction Answers and basically what it was.

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It was a scary title, but it featured myself and
many of my friends, my best friends, and the late
director John Yost in his story of growing up and
having these terrifying childhood experiences. He too went through quantum
hypnosis and got to the bottom of the experience. But anyway,
long story short, Dean's Midwest Weird Fest featured our movie

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and we won Movie of the Year or whatever it
was documentary of the year, so we were very excited.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Cool I got to I didn't even know he was
from Wisconsin myself until recently, but he I met him
last year at the Milwaukee Para Con.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
We're both speaking.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, yeah, he's great. So yeah, he premiered our movie
for us, and that was really awesome, and I'm so
excited to have him at our expo. It's so perfect.
He's going to be talking about the Shaver mystery, which
I never even knew anything about, and I'm I'm thrilled.
I can't wait to see his little his little short.
I guess it's called I don't know, is it called
the short?

Speaker 4 (19:57):
A little movie movie? Yeah? Awesome.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
All of a sudden, our audience has woken up here today,
So hello, good morning, Hello Octopus, Welcome to the show again.
We are live today. Next week we are recorded, so
keep that in mind. But anyway, moving forward, you you,
most of my guests on here have had experiences their

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whole life, and you know, kind of moved into this
thing and knew there was something out there in that.
And you have a very interesting story that you've not.
You wanted these experiences your whole life and didn't have them.
So let me start off at the beginning here. You know,
you're obviously interested. We were talking before the show about

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you know, your interest in all this stuff. But did
you have you know, we talk about being young and
kids and stuff, and their parents kind of downplay things
like there's no such thing as imaginary friends, or you
know the monster in your closet that doesn't exist, and
these are open awareness and stuff kind of gets compounded

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and pushed down and stuff in a lot of cases,
did you have that as a as a child? Were
you kind of pushed into a box?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Or well, actually, well I'll start out with something that
I didn't have any control over. So there was a
situation I call them my fast dreams, where between the
ages of like seven years old and middle school, I
would have these like horrifying nightmares where I would wake
up but I wouldn't be awake. My parents would be

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trying to wake me up, but I couldn't snap out
of it. Where I would see these these screens and
be like old TV snow, you know, like the poultry
guist thing, and there would be a line in the
middle of it, and this was recurring. This happened all
the time, and on that line that I was seeing,
it was kind of like a heartbeat line, and when
it was flat, I felt like I was safe and

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it was somehow tied to my breath. I have no idea. Yeah,
but when that line would crinkle up and like squiggle,
that meant I was like gonna die, Like I was
losing my breath and I was gonna die. So this
happened as a child, and it happened over and over
and over again, and it was absolutely terrifying. No one
knew why, No one knew nothing. My parents just thought,

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you know, who knows. But then it just stopped in
middle school for some reason. Well decades later, now, you know,
in talking to many people who's had similar experiences, I
understand that it was a form of contact. There was
some communication happening with me, but I didn't know at
the time. It was just terrifying. But to answer your

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question about, you know, family members and stuff, my parents
were always just kind of open minded, but it never
really came up. But my grandparents who lived part of
the year, they lived in Chicago, but part of the
year in New Mexico and Arizona. They would have full
on daytime UFO sightings where big cigar shaped craft would
be cruising along along their car at twelve noon in

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the in the desert, and they would just tell me
about these things very matter of fact, like, oh, yeah,
this happened. And then Grandpa and I woke up in
the middle of the night and for some reason, we
both stepped down the toilet and looked out the window
on the little motel and all these multi colored lights
were everywhere. Oh, I don't know what they were, so
they thought they were no big deal. So I grew
up hearing these stories like oh cow, and my grandfather

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would have these time life books in his house, like
Mystic Places or esp and you know, so I would
be reading these books and seeing things. So I was
always like, very curious about these things. But no, I
never had like a UFO siding. I never had anything anything,

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And I always just thought people that had those things
were just so lucky. So I had to as an adult,
once my awakening happened, I had to kind of create
those experiences for myself, which happened way way way later.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
So take us through this, then, how did you cause
this is really interesting for the people. This is like
a you know, Hallmark story here for the people like
yourself that want to follow in these footprint footsteps that
you know, want to have these experiences and stuff. So
how did you go from wanting to all this stuff
to breaking through and opening up there.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
So well, you know, life got in the way, right,
you know, so after those weird contacts, things that were
terrifying stopped. You know, you grow up, you get married,
I had kids, I had a career, you know, went
to college, lived in Chicago downtown, you know, live in
the dream, you know, having a great time, and never
thought about you never thought about anything, maybe very little,

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you know, just nothing. But in twenty sixteen, I was
sitting in my house in the Southwest suburbs of Chicago
with my kids. My son was nine at the time.
My girls were really little, they were like three. And
my husband, who never, you know, even if I wanted
to watch a UFO documentary, if we were like flipping
through k or something, he'd be like, got that off,

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you know, never just never even wanted to waste time
watching something like that. But this day we were cruising through,
flipping around, and I saw a documentary and I wanted
my son, who was nine, I'm like, you know what,
stop on this. I want him to like learn a
little bit about UFOs. He's of that age. You know,

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something clicked in me. I saw something maybe it was
some ISS footage or some NASA footage or something, and
I went WHOA, And I went back into my den
after that was over, and I started I got on
social media and I started researching. And from that moment
forward till today, all I watch read everything is all

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about phenomena like that, but it's blossomed into other avenues
and other directions. It's completely changed my life, how I
raise my kids, the trajectory of my career. You know,
just everything up and moved to Wisconsin. And it was
all a result of that. But to answer your question,
that was kind of a long tangent. I still hadn't

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had any experiences. So lucky for me, from this awakening,
I veered directly into something that's called CE five and
it's Close Encounters of the Fifth kind. And basically what
it is is I ran into doctor Greer's movie and
it just kept showing up in you know, as I
was researching stuff that first night, and I'm like, well,

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I better watch this movie. It's showing I didn't even
feel like sitting down and watching the movie, but I
did right off the bat, and my mind was blown.
What I discovered was that people doctor Greer and others
were actually able to sit down, meditate and ets would
show up. I couldn't even believe it. I was like,

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what this is going on? So basically I learned how
to do it. And it took me probably eight or
nine months of consistent daily work, following all the instructions,
doing everything I'm supposed to do, like just doing it,
and I finally was able to see my first UFO.

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And from that moment, now we're at a point in
my life where I just go outside and they're just
there all the time. You know, my family, my kids
are so sick of seeing them. It's so funny. They'll
be like, I'll be like, look, guys, because to me
it's still I'm like, ah, it's still full of awe
and wonder. And my twelve year old will be like,
no one cares about your UFOSM no one cares, And

(27:41):
I'm like, do you guys understand how many people care?
They would love it? But yeah, so you know they're
so from that moment then it's just kind of veered
off in a lot of different other directions and experiences
of all kinds happen constantly.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Once you have that first encounter, it opens your mind.
And once you can see that, then more and more
things start appearing and showing themselves, not necessarily because they
weren't there the whole time, but because now you've had
that paradigm shift of being able to see it.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Well, if that exists, well what else is out there?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Exactly? And you know Bashar, who is an et that
is channeled by darryl Anka, he would say that that's
your permission slip. All you needed was a permission slip
to see it. And now all of a sudden you're
open to a whole other world. And that whole other
world is literally magical. It's just magic. And if for

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people who are curious naturally like myself, it just it
doesn't stop, it doesn't stop. I'm learning so many new
things all the time. In fact, that was my original
awakening to our true reality in twenty sixteen, and it's scary,
you know, you learn things that you're like, ugh, God,
I just can't unsee that now. And God, I wish

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I didn't know that was true. I really liked my
ignorant bliss, you know. But I'm going through kind of
like another awakening now, like another level, and it's kind
of the same thing where things are dawning on me
and I'm like, oh, it's kind of uncomfortable because every
time your belief system shifts, yes, there's a little adjustment period,

(29:25):
but but it's all good.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Have you you got that kind of stuff? Have you
read a lot of Nick Redfern books.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
I'm familiar with him, but no, I have not, but
I will now, right, so I could like really double
down on the ooh.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, There's there's been two times since CAPS. I do
a lot of research and listen to audiobooks and stuff,
and there's there's been two times where I've had to
step back and go, what the hell am I doing?

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
And one of them was right after I finished one
of Nick Redford's books. I'm like, man, that was that
was unsettling.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
That was I'm writing it down to remind myself because
if I don't write it down, I won't. But yeah,
so now I have to, so I will report back
to you.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
He's a lot of a lot of books, and don't
get me wrong, they're really good there. And that's the problem.
He does a lot of freedom of information acts. Oh yeah,
he gets those, and then he he contacts a lot
of the witnesses and stuff, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
So nothing surprises me anymore. But I appreciate research like
that because you know, you can pick and choose what
you you know, what resonates with you and what doesn't
you know. But what I tell people, you have to
look at all the sides. You have to look at everything.
You have to look at every you know, angle the

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ones you like and the ones you don't like, and
then you form your own opinion, you know. But yeah,
so a researcher like him, I'll be excited to read
some of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
That's like uh, cat cryptis anomalies. In the paranormal society,
my team, we all have different specialties and when we
go on investigations, like if we you know, we have
a big foot sighting or paranormal case, we don't go
into the woods looking for bigfoot.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
We go out to see.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
What's there exactly, paranormal or fairies or alien or whatever
is there. But if you put those blinders on and
you say, okay, I'm looking for bigfoot, You're gonna miss
all this other stuff and all the other connections and
weird things that happen by by having those blinders.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
So that is so true. It is really a super
It's an effort of being open at all times, and
really being open to the more subtle things is what
I've found. You know, so many people expect like this. No,
there's subtle little things and and and then they grow

(31:57):
over time a lot of times. But the subties are
just as huge and magical in my opinion. So yeah,
being open is so key.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Absolutely, And we've we've done a couple of CE five
investigations as well, and it's very interesting. We've gotten things.
I mean we I'm a very tech oriented person. Yes,
I like my gadgets. I love the unexplained, but I
do think that the unexplained and all these modalities and
you know, spiritualisms and all that is still science no

(32:27):
matter what you look at it. It's just science that
we don't understand.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
We haven't gotten there yet exactly.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
So when we go out and we have all these
you know, satellite trackers, UFO trackers and stuff, and then
something does show up that's on none of this equipment,
that's pretty cool and we've gotten We've gotten that twice
now on well actually three, we've done three C fives,
and each one we've gotten at least one thing that
has stood out as not not supposed to be there, so.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
You know, and that's the thing with CE five, you know,
it's it's got its a little bit of wu you know,
but we try very hard. We don't want to jump
on anything and say, oh, that's a ufof We do
the same thing. We investigate, we discriminate, We you know,
we discern. You know, we look at things to make
sure that what we're seeing is something anomalos and that's

(33:17):
all we're saying it is is anomalists. Now there are
people that take that further. You know, they're through meditation
and they get messages and they receive messages and stuff,
so you know, we can kind of find out what
what is showing up for us and why and all
that other stuff. But that's like a whole other chapter.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
It all starts out first shiny lights in the sky.
Oh my goodness, I can't believe we're seeing this. But
then once you start seeing that over and over and
then you start to feel the impressions and talk to
other experiencers, then the story starts to unfold deeper and
deeper and more amazing and mind blowing, and yeah, it's great.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
I've heard more and more recently at these CE five
events other things coming as well, Like they'll be all
looking for the sky and they will have like bigfoot
encounters and stuff with coming out of the woods, or
faery encounters as well, or phase let me.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Tell you, yes for sure, you know so one year.
So I'm with these really experienced, seasoned, you know, ce
fivers who have been doing this for a really long time.
And I still consider myself relatively new, even though it's
all going on ten years now. But compared to them,
one thing that they would always seek, cause I host
these retreats in the north Woods every year. It'll be

(34:40):
our eighth year, next year, ninth year. I don't know
an these experienced people, they see things in the sky,
but they also like someone will see a var attax,
a rad war attack. Do you see that rad war? No,
I don't see anything. You see that? Oh? And then
other ones got this humanoid shadow being do you see that.
I don't say anything all, but I do see the

(35:02):
stuff in the sky. One year, I made a you know,
my intention that I did share with the group was
I want to see some of this ground stuff. You know,
I'm very used to seeing it. I don't take it
for granted, but I'm very used to seeing the stuff
in the sky. I want to see some of this
ground stuff. So what happens that particular year. One night,

(35:23):
it was a beautiful night. All we saw everywhere were
these pinpoint whitish bluish bright lights that were about two
or three feet off the ground. As you approached them,
they go out and then you back up again and
they turn on, and they were everywhere, and my human,

(35:46):
little baby human mind immediately told the group like an idiot,
I don't know what I was thinking, but again that
was that ego human mind kicking in. I said, Oh,
that's got to be some kind of glowworm or some
kind of rare or firefly or something. But then we
they just went on all night and all of us
were seeing them and saw it. After the event was over,

(36:08):
I scoured the internet everything to see if there's anything.
And this was like the third week of September. Fireflies
were no longer around. They didn't even look like them.
They were a different color entirely. The only thing that
in the natural world that is documented are these like
light blue type things that exist in a cave in Australia,

(36:30):
like once a year, for one week you got to
go a mile in a cave underwater. It's like the
craziest thing nothing in Wisconsin. So I was I'm sad
at myself for not embracing it, because that is what
a fairy light would be, you know, the fairies would
look like to a lot of people that said, yeah, nye,
that was those were fairies. But I didn't. I didn't.

(36:53):
I wasn't allowing myself to open up to that at
the time. So we're always checking ourselves because that ego
always jumps in, you know, that left brain, who wants
that evidence and who's going to pooh pooh something mystical.
But now I look back and now I begged them
to come back, So hopefully someday they will come back
for me.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Oh yeah, they're definitely interesting. I tell a story. It's
on one of our episodes and stuff. Long story short,
I went into the woods. We had a trail camera
set up and I went in there with a thermal
imager a handheld like a trigger one, just a picture one,
and I was walking in the woods to retrieve this

(37:35):
trail camera and I basically went in took a left
turn and went straight and ended up back on the
same trail that I originally was on. So somehow I
made a complete three sixty and came back. So that
was the first weird thing that happened to me. Well,
then I ended up going in and I watched my
GPS and I went off trail again and I got

(37:57):
the trail camera, came back out way to the car. Well,
when I got to the car, I realized that my
thermal imager wasn't there anymore. And I'm like, oh man,
I dropped it in there. So this is a three
hundred dollars piece of equipment. I don't really and this
is at night, by the way, so yeah, well I
don't want to really, you know, come back in the
morning and look for you know whatever. So I went

(38:17):
back in and I did I did something on purpose.
I took my cameras off, okay, and I said, okay,
I'm going to go back in there.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Because we have GoPros everywhere we go.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
And I said, I'm going there because I don't want
to put all the stuff back on, and I want
to see if I have an experience. And this was
a very fairy area. You know, very paranormal. We had
bigfoot encounters there. And I went in and I'm looking
along and I see this log on the ground with
a hole in it. And at the top of the hole,
is this glowing like a like a it looked like

(38:51):
a cat eye. Yeah, And I could see it out
of the corner my eye when I'm walking, and I'm like, oh,
it's the screen of the thermal imager, right, And I
turned and looked and it's this like cat eye and
I get.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
A yellow color, like a golden or green or so.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Here's the thing, is I off the top of my head.
I'd have to go back and watch my instant review
when I came out, but it's it's either green or
yellow at the time, Okay, And this is November. This
was right after deer Hunting season, yeah, opened, because we
put the camera up for deer Hunting weekend and then
we took it down. And so I'm looking at this

(39:29):
cat eye and I had my flashlight on it, and
I'm like, oh, it's it's a reflection. And I took
the light away and it's still glowing. And this is
why I can't remember what color it was, because it
changed color. Oh, my gosh, well, it was either yellow
and turned to green or it was turned yellow, and
I can't remember which one was first, but it swapped

(39:51):
between the two. And then what happened, like in all
good weird fairy tales and stuff, is I hear something
off in the woods to my right when I'm looking
straight at this thing, and I'm like, okay, so whatever's
over there is trying to draw my attention. I don't
want to look over there. I need to focus on
what this thing is. So I took a step forward
towards this glowing eyeball at the top of this log,

(40:13):
and the thing over in the woods got closer. I'm like,
oh crap, I really, you know there could be anything
in here. I know there's bigfoot, there could be wolf,
coyote in here. I need to look and see what
this thing is, especially because I don't have my thermal
So I turned shine my flashlight, looked, don't see nothing,
look back.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
This thing is gone.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
So then I go back to the trail, take like
two steps forward, and my thermal imager is laying right
on the trail in front of me.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Unbelievable, unbelievable. I love it.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
That's my one fairy encounter.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I had that amazing. How big was it about like
a dime? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah, yeah, But I have no idea what it was,
but it was just is glowing. Looked like, you know,
like a firefly or something. But it was a steady
on glowing light and that changed colors.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
And and it's stember. There's no firefl you know, right,
And so that's awesome. I love that. I love that.
That's an incredible story. Very cool.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
So I see, uh, are you going to do a
CE five with your your event coming up?

Speaker 2 (41:25):
So at our skywatches, So yes, there'll be a SkyWatch
every night because Chris, you know, people come from all
over the country to see Chris and they all and
last year we had a SkyWatch for one of the
nights and of course the night that we have the
SkyWatch raining pouring rain, so so, but we did do
some of the other nights too. But this year we're

(41:46):
going to have two skywatches, one on Friday, one on Saturday.
On Sunday, we're actually having a private, off site SkyWatch
at an undisclosed location. It's just going to be for
a small group of people VIP and the proceeds for
that particular ad on ticket. So we have our regular
ticket that includes a lot of different all the free

(42:08):
lectures and a lot of free workshops, but then we
have these separate add on tickets that are for specific workshops,
and this particular add on is as all the proceeds
are going to Chris's grandson, Chris Junior, who will be there.
Chris's son has a son named Vincent who's fifteen, and
he's a paraplegic, so we're looking to build him a

(42:31):
handicap accessible bathroom for his house. He hasn't had one.
They live in a small house that has just a
smaller bathroom. So all the proceeds for that VIP SkyWatch
go directly to support the construction of that bathroom. But anyway,
so yeah, we'll be having lots of different SkyWatch opportunities
for people. Now, Chris, you know, CE five is different.

(42:53):
You know CE five has certain rules and regulations kind of.
But Chris, all he does is he just goes out
there and just says a prayer, So there's not a
lot of you know, meditation. In fact, it's funny, I
had Chris out at my retreat this last August, so
he was at our retreat in August at twenty twenty five.
He's going to also be at our little retreat which

(43:15):
is only thirty five people in September of twenty twenty six.
And he comes out and he's like, I don't want
you guys laying around. You know, we're all quiet, we're
in our you know, anti gravity chairs, we're all in meditations,
silence mode. And he comes up with his entourage. He
brought a bunch of people, amazing people. He's like, get up.

(43:36):
I want you walking around, I want you smiling, I
want you having a good time. Someone had wine.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
I was like, what.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Wine is like.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Totally illegal five world, so anyway, but you know, and
then I think they had like forty or eighty gig
of data that they recorded during those nights. So you know,
contact can be made in any different ways, many different forms,
and that's what we try to teach at the expo.

(44:06):
I started out in CE five, but you know, that
veered off to taking online telekinesis courses, you know, and
and once I was able to get that little thing
to spin, I was satisfied. I see that it's true,
it's real, I can do it. So I'd move on
to the next thing. Then I took Juliet DROWNI is

(44:27):
a physical medium, so I took a year long apprenticeship
one that well basically a mentorship course with her. And
what I found in doing that it was there were
so many parallels and overlap between what I was learning
with CE five and then the mediumship thing. And then

(44:49):
you know, there's there's psychedelics and plant ceremonies too. In ayahuasca.
What what you experience there is very similar to what
you experience with these with these other things. And it
came very it became very clear that all of this
stuff is one phenomena. And Ray Hernandez wrote a book
called Mind of God, and he actually coined the term

(45:12):
contact modality and what he is saying, and you know,
studying you know, over three thousand people or four thousand people,
all of these, you know, the paranormal, you know, psychedelic experiences,
remote viewing, UFO experiences, meditation, and breath work, all these
different things have been studied separately by scientists over the decades,

(45:38):
but really they all fall under the one umbrella of consciousness.
They're all the same phenomena, just wearing different hats. So
now these pioneers and consciousness research are studying them together
and just seeing looking at all the similarities. And so

(45:58):
that's what the modalities exposed. It introduces a variety of
methods to people to see which one resonates, you know,
which everyone floats your boat, you know, to try out
and go down a different direction. And hopefully with our
first expo, we introduced a lot of new things to
a lot of new people. And what was really cool
for me specifically, I mean that was my goal, that

(46:20):
was my mission. But what was really cool was to
have actual presenters learning new things too that they would
either maybe not pay attention to or discount in the past,
and they were like, whoa, this blew their mind.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
So that was awesome, cool, very cool.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Let's see here Panchawana No, when and where it was?
It was in Delavan, Wisconsin. I pulled up the poster
here and stuff for you.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Oh yeah, yeah. So the skywatches coming up in May
are in Delevan, South and southeastern Wisconsin. But then we
have the little retreat that's up in the north Woods,
which is in the Monoco area.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
There are if you you know, he says, it's only
three hundred and sixty five miles away. That's odd because
those numbers mean something to me, which is really interesting too.
You know, like when you start digging into this stuff,
it all kind of spirals, like you said, into all
these things.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
But I just got to right the synchronicities exactly.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
But for anybody that you know, if it is four
hundred miles away or for you or what have you,
and it's too far, look up see five look up
SkyWatch events near you. There are groups all over the
United States that do this and tons of people that meet.
And no matter where you are, you can go out
and have one of these experiences and check it out.
I know Zach Screedy does the one down in.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
By the Dells by Dells, Wisconsin.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Ye, and.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Very regularly, I mean very regularly, weather permitting. But that's it.
And you could do it yourself. I mean I did
it myself. No, I'm telling you. There was wine. There
was wine, There was wine, and it worked. Still we
still awesome things in the sky.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Let me let me ask you this, and this is
interesting because uh, and you don't have to answer this
if you don't want to, But what is your blood type? Oh?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
You know what it's funny. I don't remember. I don't remember.
I looked it up a million years ago because I
want I'm like, because I'm learning all about these blood types.
I'll get back to you on that. I don't remember.
My dad's watching Dad, if you remember my blood type type?

Speaker 3 (48:28):
It in the in the chat, awesome there's like you said,
there's there's so much behind the blood types and that
we found out that. Uh, we were just on a
Thanksgiving episode with all the hosts from The Untold and
Dean Bertram. I'm pretty sure Dean was to Doug high Check, Roger, Chris,

(48:49):
all the other ones except for me and Jeff were
the only ones that didn't have own negative Oh and yeah,
and almost seventy five percent of the people in the
audience also were own negative blood, which is, you know,
supposed to be like the alien contact blood type and stuff.

(49:12):
So I've I've kind of taken on myself now. I
know Lee Warner when she's in the audience, asked my
guests anyway if they bring up aliens, So I've kind
of yeah, well we'll go along with this and see.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
But yeah, it's very fascinating. Yeah, I've heard that stuff before.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Yeah, so the blood type matters because it's just supposed
to be a lot of your contact ease that have
had experiences and stuff are all OW negative and they're
trying to figure out if there's a connection between this
specific blood type and having abductions or you know, being
you know, alien touched or whatever have you. But it

(49:47):
seems like there's a quite a connection. Octopus says, he's
O positive. That's that's interesting. That's the first one I've
heard that's oh positive. Oh yeah, it's really interesting. My
guest next week, I'm gonna spoil this. Uh so you
have to come back and watch. But she has a
really unique story with her blood. So yeah, there's a

(50:10):
spoiler for you.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
I will totally absolutely.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
See Mine is be positive. Okay, so he is a negative.
So we're we're out of the fan club here, but interesting.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, that is interesting.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Have you going back to that as well? We were
talking about something else in the news lately. Have you
heard about the the d MT experiment with lasers and
they shine the laser and see like the cod.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Binary code like the zeros and ones? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Have you you think of that?

Speaker 2 (50:46):
I'm I believe it. I absolutely believe it. You know,
there's been times I've woken up in the middle of
the night and I've seen the matrix, you know, a
lot of different like a grid like thing that you know,
again you have to blink your eyes a few times
for five minutes or so before it's gone. I believe
that d MT and all of those you know, whether

(51:08):
it's ayahuasca which has DMT in it, the regular straight
DMT and we make you know DMT in our brains,
I believe that is one of the ways people can
tap into that other side. So I would be interested
to talking to someone direct who's had that experience, or
I should just like sign some people up. I'll talk

(51:31):
to my friends that are not afraid of DMT like
I am, and to try it.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
I got to dig more into that because actually Doug
Hicheck or network head or whatever it was, was bringing
that up on the show that he had talked about
and I'd seen it in passing on a Facebook post
and stuff, and I was like, well, you know, you
hear so many stories about things like that and you
just kind of like, eh, you know whatever, they're crazy,
or you know, it's just some you know, clickbait thing
or whatever. Right, So I didn't much further into it,

(52:00):
but yes.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
So I don't know about it for sure, but I'm
I think it's interesting. So I know, you know, during
these types of journeys, people experience a lot of different
types of things, and one of the things with contact modalities.
So when you're studying all of the different contact modalities,
there's these kind of recurring themes, and one of them is,

(52:22):
you know, a non human intelligence, some sort of connection
with a non human intelligence, whether it's you know, something
that you say is God or an angel or a
demon or a just some sort of entity or an
et or a ghost, you know. And there's also like
an alteration in space time too with all of these modalities,

(52:43):
and seeing or perceiving that grid or that matrix or
that simulation or whatever it is is one of those
things as well.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
That's really interesting.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
I haven't I've never done any kind of drugs or
any of that stuff. I've always been weird on my
own without having to add any substance to it. To that,
but I got to go to a phenomicon a couple
of years ago and they did a psychedelic trip using
light and sound. Oh yeah, and I did try that,
and I did my best to try and you know,

(53:19):
relax and lean into it. And I saw like a
green meadow and a lot of colors. But that was
about all that I got out of it. It didn't
really do much.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Everybody's different, even when you're doing the actual drugs or
having the experience. Oh there's my dad, I'm all negative.
All right, there you go, thank you, there you go.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
So yeah, you you definitely should be having these experiences.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I am part of the group.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Oh, I'm so.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Glad to be included. That's great, thanks.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Papa, Thank you for adding that.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
So anyway, even when it comes to you know, ayahuasca ceremonies,
which I've facilitated these with ceremonial leaders before in the past,
long time ago. And you know, some people have deep, amazing,
you know, quintessential psychedelic experiences, you know, healing, you know,
the whole bit, and others have nothing. So it really

(54:24):
just depends on the person. Like for me, like I
don't need any of that stuff. Some people do. Some
people need that shortcut, as I like to call it,
to have that kind of experience to tap in breath
work will take me there. One in fact, when I
discovered breath work through Kimberly Port, who's also speaking at

(54:45):
our expo and doing a workshop. I'd never heard of
breathwork before. She was leading us through it before CE five,
and I was like, what is this well that has
taken my meditations, which again another thing too. I was
started meditating into sixteen because I wanted to see ets
in the sky. I wanted to see UFOs. My meditations

(55:06):
were horrible. I got the chatter and all that stuff,
and I got so I'm so busy, you know, I
got a million kids and a million jobs, and I
do a million things. I could never meditate up until
two years ago. Two years ago, finally I can say
I can get into pretty much a trance and I
have all these amazing experiences. But what took me there

(55:27):
was breathwork. So if you study you know Soma breath
is a breath work website from Miarrage. He does it,
and there's a lot of there's a million different practitioners
online on the internet as well. Like you said, CE five,
you can find a CE five circle everywhere. But to
really get to anything that's very deep, breath work will

(55:52):
get you there really fast, but not everybody's going to
be willing to take the time. You know, there's a
lot of people out there that will attend and a
sacred ceremony, whether it's a psilocybin ceremony or ayahuasca. They
do them all now, a lot of different things. There's
ketamine and all kinds of different things that people use.
Most of those people don't really have a spiritual tool

(56:15):
that they use. They've heard about this now, you know.
They hear who's that guy that used to be the
quarterback for Green Bay? Yeah, yeah, they hear him talk
about it. I'm a Bears fan still, by the way.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
I mean, I'm not a football fan, so okay.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Don't I don't really watch it any of it. But anyway,
you know, they hear about this stuff. That's like in
pop culture now, so it's a mainstream person. They come
to these ayahuasca their ceremonies, and that might be their ticket,
but it might not be. So what I'm trying to
do is just introduce people to different ways, you know,
because what works for some it's not a one size

(56:53):
fits all thing. What works for some is not going
to work for the others. Like you went down you know,
paranormal and cryptos who and stuff like that. That was
your lane. But I know when you're at our event
and if you take the time to walk away from
your booth, which you should, I'll watch it for you.
I'll hand out your flyers for your event the next weekend.

(57:13):
Make sure you check out some people. I'll put a list.
I'll say, Barnaby, you got to check out this person,
because you're gonna be blown away. There's so many different
ways to get there, and it's it's really all. It's
all amazing, And for me, it's just a curiosity thing.
It's like, Okay, this one worked, awesome. Check. Let's go
to the next one and dive deep into that one. Check.

(57:34):
But one thing I always go back to is breathwork,
because that one there's a lot of different ways to
do it, a lot of different methodologies, and it really works.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
I think the key takeaway there is that you know
there's no shortcut. You know it took you, it took
you years to get it all down, and you know
you can't just go to one of these retreats and
you know, take whatever and all of a sudden, now
you're in life.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
But you have to you have to do all the
other steps along.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
With it, and you are right. And that even goes
with the psychedelics. So many people think they're going to
go to a sacred ceremony or they're going to get
a treatment in offices. Now they do it and like
doctor's offices or whatever, and they're going to come out cured. No,
the rubber meets the road after the ceremony. The ceremony

(58:24):
lets you take in some information and see that there's hope,
and there's God, and there's beauty and life is precious
and all these wonderful things. But when you get back
out to real life, that's when you have to do
the work. Spend a little time, because that's when the
healing really happens, when you integrate it back into your
life what you've experienced, and that's when the magic really happens.

(58:48):
It's not there is no shortcut exactly. You do have
to do the work. And if you're curious enough, what
the universe will do is as you're doing the work,
like you said, with the synchronicity and with that man
who said three sixty five means something to him, the
universe will give you little breadcrumbs. It'll give you little

(59:08):
little hints to keep you going. And if you acknowledge
those breadcrumbs and you acknowledge these little tiny miracles, they
just I'm just getting chills all over talking about it.
It'll just snowball and snowball and snowball. And not only
is it cool like I do it because it's cool,
I love it. I just think it's so fascinating, but

(59:30):
it really is healing. Like I've gone down some big
journeys I guess to release blocks and really clear myself.
So I'm really an open channel and open to receive
whatever the universe wants to deliver. And through that process,
there's been a lot of stuff that you encounter or

(59:52):
you acknowledge that you might have gone through as a
child or as an adult, and you get rid of
that shit. Man, excuse my excuse my profanity. You just
get rid of it. Because the more you get rid
of it and clear that, even more and more stuff happens.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
I think also an important note on that is, you know,
you talk about these people that go to these retreats
just for the sake of you know, trying it or
because it's the cool thing or whatever, and that's that
can be dangerous too, because I mean, like for somebody
that wants to have those experiences and is already open
to it, you know, you're you're knowing kind of what
to expect. But for somebody that you know, we get

(01:00:29):
calls for for our team all the time of I'm
seeing you know, demons in my house, I'm seeing ghosts
and stuff, and all it is is there, you know,
empathic there. They have the abilities and they don't know
how to control them. So for somebody that thinks this
is the cool new fad to do, and you open
yourself up to this, you're gonna start having these experiences

(01:00:50):
and then you need to be aware of them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
You may not be ready for them, exactly. Be careful
what you freaking wish for exactly. So in our retreats
and everything, all the practitioners that I have at the expo,
you know, I have been doing this stuff forever.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
They're people that I know personally or have followed their work,
And I created this whole expo based on my own
highest excitement.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
The people I know and love and think are cool,
you know, and you're one of them. So, but they
all are so responsible in what they warned people in advance.
At my retreat, you know, Kimberly took us a side
because someone had a ridiculously profound experience. A guy who

(01:01:36):
was a first timer at our retreat. They he was
at night with some others. They were on this gravel
road by our resort and it was like ten thirty
at night and they all saw this orb in the
distance about human height. Okay, he's described it one way,
the others described it another way. Long story short, it
came rushing at him. He was unconscious down They had

(01:02:01):
to like drag him out and bring him down to
his cabin he was staying at And I'm not finding
this out until the next day. I was like, oh
my gosh. Anyway, it was a positive experience for him,
believe it or not. It changed his life for the better.
He looked afraid, he was unconscious. I mean, whatever it is.
But anyway, so you know, we had this emergency gather

(01:02:25):
because you know, everyone's there. They want to experience it.
They want it up close. They don't they're not satisfied
with it just in the sky. They want it here.
And something like that can happen to you, and thank goodness,
he had others with him, and you know, everything was fine.
But yes, you invite these things to to make themselves known,

(01:02:47):
and you have to be protected and you have to
be smart about it, and you know, you learn prayers
and different rituals and things that will help protect your
consciousness from what's out there. And I will say that
everything that I have personally, besides the unsettling realities, other
than that, everything that I've experienced has been super positive,

(01:03:11):
very love based. But that's because that's what I expect.
So you know, as above so below, what you create
inside yourself is the world that you're going to see
out there. And I deliberately work very hard at trying
to keep my vibe high, you know, with all the

(01:03:32):
trials and tribulations that go on in the world, and
just with life in general, having a state of gratitude
always and always being reminded of how grateful I am
for just the little things. When you put love out there,
that's what you get back. But yeah, you have to
be very smart.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Absolutely talking about profound experiences, this one stands out to
me the most is, you know, we hosted a gallery
reading at one of our conventions a couple of years ago,
and there's these two guys in the front row and
there was alcohol there right, and underneath their chair. During
the whole presentation, they were gathering cups, empty cups of

(01:04:15):
alcohol from the day and they they amassed quite a collection.
And they weren't rowdy, they weren't nothing. I'm with Wisconsin, right,
So they had literally underneath their chair was just full
of these beverage cups. They took them with them and
stuff at the end of it. But then that night
we had the gallery and here comes these two dudes

(01:04:38):
and they go, hey, we still got tickets available for this.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Can we come in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
I'm like, yeah, you know what I'm thinking, But if
you're not a good boy, I'm going to kick you out.
You know, you're gonna come in here and do whatever
and think that this is some big party or whatever.
But you know, they came in and one of the
first i think it was the first person that she read,
was the one of those guys. And she brought his

(01:05:03):
grandfather through who was a woodworker, and he was a woodworker,
and so he had this connection to his grandfather and stuff,
and you want to see somebody sober up real quick.
He went from lightly toasted to balling his eyes out there.
Oh they've they've come back to everyone since and they

(01:05:26):
they've just changed. I mean like they went from Okay,
well we'll check it out, you know, to.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
I mean like legit like she is, you know. And
it was cool to see that reaction because you are.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
That is what it's all about. That is what it's
all about. And and for you for a host of
a conference like that where you're teaching of our true
reality as well, you know, it's seeing these these people.
You know, I have people that attended our retreats from
the first second year, you know, along with me, and
seeing where they've come till today, and you know, their

(01:06:00):
lives have just changed, and it really it's always for
the better. Really. I mean, I know, I see things
and I read things about people that have you know,
like those entity attachments and stuff like that, and things
like that and all stuff that I do believe in
very much. But those people, those are basically phone calls

(01:06:23):
from the subconscious saying you've got some inner work to do.
So you know, these things are going to keep happening,
These negative patterns and negative things are going to continue
to plague your life in general, until you get down
to work and start figuring out how to work on
whatever you're harboring inside, because once you release that and

(01:06:45):
you're healed of that particular thing, then things are going
to start to look beautiful in your world. And people
have to believe that, and again they have to work
at it too.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
Yeah, I guess you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
We talk about you know, bigfoot conventions and paranormal and
metaphysical events and stuff like that all the time on
these shows and how important they are to the community
and stuff, because you know, if you do not believe
in anything that we're talking about today at all, if
you you're just tuning in, you see this and maybe
you saw one of these you know, guest speakers on
TV or something whatever, and you go to these events

(01:07:20):
if nothing else, the people at these events are so
positive and the energy is so positive there that if
you walk away with nothing else, your your spirit, your
energy and stuff is going to be lifted because of
that at the very least, whether you gain anything else
from it. I mean, you go to you go to

(01:07:40):
craft sales, flea markets, you know, any of these other
you know, events and sales and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
There's people there will say that and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
You walk out and you go, eh, you know, I
mean these events, the metaphysical and and and stuff like that,
they are just nothing but positivity there and these these
people are amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
And you're right. And the energy of the space and
the people is it period, because we are all energy.
That's what we're made of. That's what our world is
made of. It's all energy vibrating at different you know,
velocities or whatever. But yeah, just being around these people,
you leave something. The seed is planted, you know, And

(01:08:22):
that's all I want to do. You know, my husband,
when I met him twenty two three years ago or whatever,
he would not even if it ever came up. Like
I said, he didn't even want us to watch shows
about UFOs or anything because it was just like such
a waste of time. It was like Carnival to him.
It was like just a magic show. It's completely phony,
any of this stuff and then go cryptids. Oh my god,

(01:08:43):
like I don't even see. I don't even know today
if he believes in Bigfoot. I'm gonna ask him when
he comes home later. I'm sae, do you believe in
Bigfoot yet? I mean we've watched Todd's standings. You know
documentaries on Bigfoot. We've seen the photos. You know Jay Bachocin,
who spoke at our expo Land last year again, you
know coming up. We've watched all of his movies, although
I do have to watch the current one that he

(01:09:04):
just has coming out now now that it's on digital.
I can't. He's asking me to buy a Blu Ray.
I'm like a Blu Ray. I don't even know what
a freaking blovie is. I know it's from like a
million years ago, but now it's digital. So I forgot
my whole point of this whole story. But oh how
far he's come because he's such a wonderfully supportive husband.

(01:09:26):
He'll watch all the movies with me, all the documentaries everything,
you know, he'll just watch them with me, and you know,
at the end, I'll be like, oh my god, that
was amazing, and He'll be like, yeah, whatever. So he's
calm a long way, because it's undeniable. Once you research
something and you literally listen to it and then you
look at a different perspective and a different perspective, you

(01:09:49):
cannot deny the existence of these things happening. You can't.
And there's a new movie that just came out called
Age of Disclosure, which is you know, taking the world
by storm right now. And some of my people get
mad at me because I support that film. It does
have a little bit of it kind of says that

(01:10:09):
the ETS have a negative agenda or it's threatening that
the ETS have a negative agenda, and they don't want
me to support that film because of it. But I
do support the film because it's not for me. It's
not for Barnaby, it's not for Zach, it's not for
my community that already are we know what's going on.

(01:10:32):
It's for all those people like you said, that don't
even think about this stuff, or if they do, it's
so little. At least this movie opens them up to
understanding that there are there is truly something out there
that really does exist. And then hopefully after they watch
that movie, they'll be able to start doing their own

(01:10:54):
research and they'll start running into the positive aspects and
not this fear based. You know, got a start food
prepping and you know, find a cave to live in
because the ETS are coming to get us. If the
ETS wanted to get us, that's all there is to it.
We'd been gotten. We'd be done by now you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
I think that this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
You know, I follow the government disclosure and stuff very closely.
I have a whole presentation that is up to the
date of that I do for like libraries and stuff
about this because it's important because there's so much stuff
that's going on in the government and coming forward and
people are completely oblivious to it, the things that have
been said that you know, we have craft, we have

(01:11:41):
bodies and stuff, and this is you know, one hundred
percent fact we have this blah blah blah, and people
are like, oh, no, aliens still don't exist or whatever,
and but you're you're right, the whole government side and
this is this is one of the things that that
happened was we went from unidentified flying objects to unidentified

(01:12:01):
aerial phenomenon, from a UFO to UAP. And the reason
why the government finally took it seriously is because of
that shift and saying that they were a threat to
our airspace yep, and then oh they're a threat. Now
we'll talk about it exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
This This bothers me to no end.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
And I'm gonna tell you my thought, and I want
to hear what you have to say about it. But
from way back at the end of World War Two,
we've heard this story of you know, this false flag
agenda where these flying saucers are going to come out
and pretend to be actual ets, and it's just the government,
this whole false flag thing to unify us all under

(01:12:43):
the One World Order and all this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Stuff, right that Eisenhower talked about back then, the military.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
The only way that the world is going to unite
is all right, thret that's outside of our Yeah, yep, exactly.
And it seems to me that we're being led in
that direct. And because you know, like yourself and all
these other experiences and stuff. Now when you you have
these experiences, people do have traumatic experiences of being abducted

(01:13:10):
and all that. But you look at this from the
standpoint of you know, like I always say, like, you know,
you have like rhinos in Africa, right, and they're in danger,
they're threatened.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
We want to protect them. So we go out there.
What do we do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
We shoot them with a tranquilizer gun. We load them
onto a truck. We take them back to the hospital.
We check them out, make sure they're healthy, take a
blood sample, take some you know, sperm egg samples whatever,
throw them back on the African savanna, and that rhino
wakes up and goes, I was just abducted by aliens.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
You know, the most awful experience in my life. I'm
gonna tell everybody in the world. It was terrible. They're terrible,
exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
So, now, are these these extraterrestrials or whatever just trying
to do the same thing to us, because look at
look at the way what we're doing to the planet.
We are ruining this planet. And the other shift between
UFO and UAP is more of the government talk is
talking about these things not being extraterrestrial, not off world,

(01:14:08):
but more interdimensional, meaning these are all creatures and beings
and stuff that are on the planet with.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Us, are under the planet or in the oceans. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Of course they don't want us to bomb the planet,
destroy the environment stuff because they live here too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
So I think that you know, the way that this
is leading is they're trying to portray this as a
negative thing that they can launch their false flag mission
and everyone revolts, and then when the actual real ets
or interdimensionals come forward, we're going to be against them.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
Yeah, And that's what is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
I agree with you. I do believe, you know, sadly,
you know, before my awakening, I was all like pro government,
pro America, pro democracy, everything's great, and then you know,
you start learning different. Okay. Now I do always remain optimistic,
but I am a free thinker. Okay, I do not.

(01:15:04):
I don't, especially because of the ET cover up. Okay,
the UFO cover up. Then you know that because they've
been not only covering up and killing people and doing
everything in their post power to cover this up for
so long. Of course they're covering up a million other
conspiracies out there. Sadly, conspiracies exist. I pick and choose

(01:15:26):
my conspiracies, you know, whatever resonates with me, or you know,
I try to learn as much, you know, But I
do believe that I think that they will use this story,
this narrative to control us the best they can. Because
once the cat's out of the bag and true contact

(01:15:47):
does happen with these benevolent ets that have been so
patient with our violent, little ignorant butts, you know, it's
going to help open up whole other world for humanity
because we are going to realize our true power. We
are going to realize our innate abilities to do these

(01:16:07):
amazing things and to live a beautiful, harmonious life where
there's no famine, there's no you know, violence, We take
care of each other, we take care of our planet.
All these beautiful things that are going to happen when
the ets truly come and make themselves known to us.
The bad people who are all about the money and

(01:16:29):
the greed and the power and the weaponizing and all
of that, they don't want that to happen. But I
am in that, you know, woo oo state of mind
with my spiritual journey, because all of this went to
an amazing spiritual journey. I do believe we are in
the Age of Aquarius, where we chose to incarnate on

(01:16:50):
this planet at this time so that we can help
humanity in this great shift that's going on. And it's
not going to be easy, and it's not going to
be and it's going to be scary at times. But
if we can maintain that positive, love based attitude where
our mission is to help people and to serve, we're

(01:17:11):
going to get through it with flying colors. Now, I
have no idea when any of this is going to
happen supposed to start happening like now, like is happening now.
But it's exciting. It's so exciting, and I'm so grateful
and I pinch myself, you know, every day that I'm
like a part of this and that I'm able to

(01:17:32):
deliver this information to people and watch this go down.
It's like such an incredible honor. It's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Absolutely, we are over our hour here, so I want
to kind of if you guys have any questions at
all about the event or anything in general for my
guests Melissa here, throw them in the comments. We'll get
them in before we wrap things up. But tell everybody
again where you can get tickets, all the information when,
where why all this stuff about your event come up?

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
All right? Awesome? Well, the Contact Modalities Expo is May
first through third in Delavan, Wisconsin at Lake Lawn Resort.
You can get all the information at Contactmodalities xpo dot com.
We have our hotel block there. It's held at a
big resort, so it's got you know, rooms on site,
hotel block on site. We have multiple stages all going

(01:18:26):
on at the same time, and we have our early
bird discount happening right now through December thirty. First so
go check it out.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Arnaby, thank you so much. It was so much fun.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Absolutely, I appreciate it. What is your what is your
big takeaway? What do you want to leave people thinking
about when we wrap up today?

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
You know, I just want people to get what we
talked about earlier about being open minded. You know, a
lot of people that watch your show are interested in
you know, the cryptids especially, and of parent normal things,
and I really hope they take the time to maybe
peruse our website and check out some of these other
amazing presenters that we have on there, because there's so

(01:19:10):
many other avenues that might really intrigue them. And then
everything just comes around, you know, full circle. I feel
that in doing this and looking at a lot of
different new ways of thinking is very important and it's
just going to make your life better and our world better. Period.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Pancho says, great show, everybody. Thank you, Mel and hope
to see you guys all in May.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
So there you go. We got we at least for you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Come out and check out the sky watching event and
stay up to date on.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
All that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
So great, Thanks so much, Barnaby.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Absolutely, I look forward to chatting with you again, and
I will definitely be seeing you in May.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Yes, thanks, bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
All right, guys, that is our show for this week.
Next week is pre recorded. It is a very good show.
Deirdre Sandford is going to be on the show. We
continue this kind of it kind of feeds off this
discussion as well. And again you're gonna have to tune
in because I asked her what her blood type is
and it's a very interesting answer and you're gonna want

(01:20:21):
to check that out. No spoilers there, but next week
is pre recorded and then we're back live and so
I will see you in two weeks here live until then, guys,
remember we are all part of the paranormal spectrum. Take care,
be well and I'll see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
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Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
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