Paranormal Spectrum #83 Root Cause Therapy with Guest Deidre Sanford

Welcome to Paranormal Spectrum, where we illuminate the enigmatic corners of the supernatural world. I'm your host, Barnaby Jones, and today we have a very special guest joining us:

Deidre Sanford has always had a natural sensitivity to the energies and experiences others might overlook. Over time and through training in Reiki, Pranic Healing, psychic, and mediumship development, she came to understand that intuitive perception isn’t rare; it’s simply under-recognized. We all have the ability to sense more than we’ve been taught to believe.

Today, Deidre uses her intuitive gifts both in everyday life and in her work as a paranormal investigator. Her passion is helping others realize that these abilities aren’t just for a select few—we’re all born with them. Most of us just need a little encouragement to start noticing, trusting, and exploring them.

Deidre also utilizes her abilities and lived experience in her practice as a certified trauma informed coach and holistic therapy practitioner. Conversely these modalities also come into play during paranormal investigations where she has been referred to as the "Paranormal Therapist."

Deidre’s Website
https://www.deidrelsanford.com/

www.VioletFlameHealingArts.com

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Good morning everybody, and welcome to the Paranormal Spectrum here
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UFO capitals of Wisconsin, one of the three in October.
More on that when it gets closer. We have an
awesome guest here. I have known her for quite a while,
but as we were talking before the show, we never
got a chance to talk. Met a couple times at
conventions and stuff throughout the years, but never never sat

(05:59):
down till So this is exciting, so let's get to it.
My guest today is d Dress Sandford. She has always

(06:22):
had a natural sensitivity to the energies and experiences others
might overlook, and her training in Reiki, pranic healing, psychic
and mediumship development, she came to understand that intuitive perception
isn't rare, it's simply underrecognized. We all have the ability
to sense more than we've been taught to believe. Today

(06:44):
she uses her intuitive gifts both in everyday life and
in her work as a paranormal investigator, her passion for
helping others realizes that these abilities aren't just for a
select few. We're all born with them. Most of us
just need a little encouragement to start noticing, trusting, and
exploring them. Deirdre also utilizes her abilities and lived experiences

(07:05):
in her practices as a certified Trauma informed coach and
holistic therapy practitioner. Conversely, these modalities also come into play
during paranormal investigations, where she has been referred to as
the paranormal Therapist. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the show,
Deirdre Sandford. We are We're going to now continue our

(07:29):
our long conversation that we've been enjoying, and uh, we
decided to actually hit record finally here.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
So it's a good thing we didn't run out of material.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
That's oh, I don't think we could. We have barely
scratch the surface in this time. So ah, well, I'm
I'm excited. We've we've had a great chat. As I've said, Uh,
I'm looking forward to actually digging into more of what
you do. So this is this is the Uh, We're
off to a great start. I wish. I wish we've

(08:00):
been recording this whole time. This has been this has
been great. But uh uh so now we have to
remember everything we've talked about and just rehash it all,
I guess, but uh.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Or just arbitrarily pick a place and we haven't talked
about this yet exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Let's start out with uh, with with you what what
got you into this? Where? Where did this whole you know,
start with realizing your abilities and coming into it.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
You know, there were so many different times in my
life that things showed up in a way that they
couldn't be ignored. So I had to go down the
rabbit hole. Probably when I lived in Arkansas, all the
unmind corch crystal under the ground in Arkansas, I really
thought I was kind of just losing my mind. And

(08:50):
I didn't know very many people there, hadn't been there long,
so you know, you're afraid doc to anybody because they're
going to throw you in the looney bit. It worked
in it assisted living facility, and one of our nurses
on staff was paying attention and we had some really
good chats on our breaks. But I had moved into

(09:12):
a home that was haunted only in my brain. I
was just losing my mind. But working in an assisted
living facility with grieving family members, dementia residents, etc. I
would just take on the emotions of other people and
suddenly find myself crying or on the edge of crying.

(09:35):
I'd go home from work, I'd fall asleep in my
chair by five point thirty. I'd wake up at seven
Almost every day. Energetically, I was completely drained and still
really didn't understand I was living in a haunted house.
So thank goodness, my friend came to my house and
she's like, girl, you get ghosts everywhere in this house,
and things started making sense. One of the biggest standout

(09:57):
events when I lived in that home I went down
the hall to use the restroom. I had a front
of the living room, and I had this overwhelming sense,
We're not alone in the house anymore, are we? And
I hollered that down the hall and they're like, yeah, no,
we're not okay. And I looked up and my grandfather's

(10:18):
face was in the bathroom window. My grandfather passed away
when I was in high school, so I just mentioned that, oh, hey,
Grandpa's here. I wasn't really sure what to do. With it.
But then I had a phone call two days later
that my grandmother, his wife, had just passed away. So
other things began to unfold in this house. And somebody

(10:40):
would knock on all the windows in the outside of
the house every night when I went to bed, like,
I called the police, there's somebody in my yard knocking
on my windows. So I think at that point is
when I really had to and got the opportunity to
also understand and incorporate that there's stuff going on that
we just can't explain. That's the bigger standout. I lived

(11:03):
in a house here in Illinois when I was seven.
We hadn't been there long. I walked my mom to
the front of the house and I said, you see
those people over there, they're not here to hurt anyone.
Momy had no clue what to do with it. She
didn't know how to support it, but she didn't want
to pooh poo it. So I spent the next eleven

(11:25):
years living in that house, mostly afraid of that area
of the house, especially at night. I did not want
to be the only one alone. But are a week
alone in that house, different times, different stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
That's interesting, you know. Do you think that your house
was actually haunted, like that there were spirits there, or
we talk about this a lot that people who have
abilities act like this beacon that do you think that
they were coming because you were there, or do you
think that they were part of the house to begin with?

Speaker 1 (12:01):
I think it was probably both. Okay, I took somebody
up to that house thirteen years after we moved in,
my parents were gone, I was checking in on the
house and we were walking around the sideyard, and someone
else was able to say, there's someone watching us from
that window. But I also would agree that there was

(12:24):
kinetic energy in that space or build up from the
previous owner, who we were told by the neighbors was
just not a very nice person. So but we also
found a cabinet closet full of empty liquor bottles, and
we had were told that this not so very nice
person was an alcoholic. So I think when we think

(12:45):
about the energetics of things, there was a whole lot
going on there that wasn't necessarily receptive and intelligent, but
there was an intelligent being in that household. You know
that meme that we see on Facebook all the time
with the guy running up the stairs in the shadow
running up behind him.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
I spent all of my teenagers going to bed, going
to bed that way, they peeking around the corner, running
down the hallway, knowing I was being followed, slamming the
bedroom door and pulling the covers up over my head.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh my god, it was weird. I'm gonna come back to.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
That, barnaby. I know the coverters won't keep me safe.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, okay, we're gonna come back to that. But I
want to stay on this thing because this is this
is really important. It's really interesting when we do. You
do paranormal investigating, you know, as the said the beginning,
and our team does as well. When you go to
these locations, you have this energy or problem there that Okay,

(13:55):
so the gentleman who was an alcoholic, Yeah, was this
because he was a bad person? Or is this because
there's an entity there that's causing him to have that
negativity the depression that's feeding it, and you know, so
he's like, well, you're a terrible person. Nobody likes you,
you know, and so he starts drinking. And we see

(14:18):
that in some of these cases where people get these
attachments either because of our location or something and it's
snowballs into these and it can snowball all the way
to some catastrophes and stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, I think that house had a lot of build
up of energy in it. And I never met the
gentleman who lived in that home. It was the girls
my age in the neighborhood who were familiar with him,
and so I can't speak to that for that individual.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
But what.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
We understand of the human energy field, there are activities
that we may or may not part take and tape
that party. We may or may not do these things
that create cracks in our ore field that are destructive
to ourselves, to our energy, to all those around us.
And there are certain personality traits of active addicts, and

(15:16):
alcoholism is an addiction that show up because of that
addictive pattern. Some people get clean and que using, and
that personality change never really takes place where they go
back to where they were, So it's entirely possible. I

(15:37):
can't speak to it for that person, though.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I've always I've always founen those very fascinating because we've
we've had some personal cases with caps and it's really
interesting that, well, there was a gentleman who took his
life at one of these places, and now we're investigating
a case there because the granddaughter there is seeing this

(16:00):
entity and bringing in my medium Stephanie. We find out
that he caused this guy to have these thoughts and
go down this road, and now he took his life,
and now he's doing the same thing to the granddaughter
who's now living there with their family and stuff. And
it's just really interesting to think that some of these
things that we blame on you know, trauma or you know,

(16:26):
experiences and stuff, are actually extenuated by the supernatural and stuff.
And we think that, you know, like we're just entering
depression and we can't get rid of it and stuff. Yeah,
there's more to it than that.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Absolutely, I would agree that there can be. But then
we also have cases of not so happy people and
people who take their own lives because of their own
life experience or their own self perception. But alcohol is
a depressant, and that's something that not everybody knows or understands.

(17:02):
It can have the opposite effect, right, it can have
that depressing effect. I think there's a lot of interplay
between all of those and I think it deserves to
be studied, and it absolutely deserves to be spoken about
more often. It's interesting though, because when we look we
think about children and how open they are energetically, and

(17:25):
then we think about the things that we do or
may choose to do as human beings that are destructive
to us our own mental, emotional, and physical health, but
we don't know really about how destructive they are to
our energy field and how easy it is, for I
went through my own addiction cycle, how easy it is

(17:47):
to have those little chinks in our armor, if you will,
where things can seep in, and then little ones are
so wide open, they don't most of them aren't aware
that we can protect our energy field or that there's
a need to. So the openings that we provide knowingly
or not that create opportunities for lower vibrational beings. I

(18:13):
guess to attach an influence deserves more attention.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Absolutely, I think this. I have a couple of notes
I want to come back to you, but I think
this transitions very nicely into the topic of our show,
which is root cause therapy. Yes, and I think this
is you know, absolutely where we're going with this is
why we are the way we are, and why it
causes us to have these things.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Root cast therapy is a holdist, a kili modality. When
I'm working with root causse therapy, I am more focused
on helping my clients understand what their limiting beliefs are.
How do we get you where you want to go?
I can't tell you how many clients have come to me.

(19:00):
Is that, oh, I need to change so and so. No,
you don't, and we can't work together. If that's really
what you want to accomplish, we need to realize that
we are in control of how we respond. To bring
it back to what you were talking about, what we're
looking for is creating a more authentic whole person and

(19:20):
shifting self perceptions and limiting self expectation. But as I
do the work with my clients, we're also I'm also
working in their energy field. We're not just working with psyche.
So when we have all of these pent up emotions
that most of us, let's face it, we're never taught
as children are appropriate do need to be processed, and

(19:41):
we individuals deserve to have that moment of heightened emotional
expression safely without damaging others. When we're tiny, we don't
know that, But that's also when we're taught go to
your room. Stop crying. I'll give you something to cry about.
I think all of those pent up emotions actually genuinely

(20:03):
influence our physical, mental, and emotional states. How much does
that align with what you're chatting about? Oh, you are getting.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
We're on the normal spectrum. It's all part of the
same thing. I mean, this is all. This is all connected.
It's all part of your holistic approach to your body.
You know, it's your your physical, it's your mental, it's
your vibrational, it's all this is this holistic And you know,
like I never understood that. I started going to certain

(20:39):
events and stuff, these metaphysical conventions and and going down
these rabbit holes and stuff, and it's it's so interesting
the more of this that I learned that the the
holistic approach is the whole body, the energy, the spirit
and all that.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
And we're not we're certainly not taught that in our
society as it is today. Our Western medicine absolutely does
not look at us as a whole being. I can
remember when they did back in the eighties nineties, and
doctors of different specialties would get together and talk about
a patient. They don't even really do that anymore. But

(21:13):
that also kind of goes back to who are we
at soul level, so as a mediumship, as a psychic,
hopefully when I'm working with when we can work with
spirit guides for clients or with clients, or we can
work with the clients high yourself, What does that high
yourself trying to bring to your attention? What are you
missing through your own experience that you learned to block

(21:38):
so you're now missing that component? What did you shut down?
Bullying helps form us in our later years. And the
other thing that I think really kind of hits the
paranormal spectrum, E spectrum spectrum. Not everyone believes in reincarnation,
that's fine. I've had clients who don't believe in reincarnation

(21:59):
go through cross therapy sessions and suddenly find themselves in
past lives. This was an incident that left a mark
on my soul, so to speak, in a past life
that I brought forward into my current life, and now
I have this repeating pattern that I need to stop.
When we go to trace that repeating pattern, it leads

(22:20):
back to that past life, so we can bring things
in to come to our attention so they can be
healed in the current life. So I don't know, was
this gentleman who was apparently such a big drinker, was
he influenced by an entity or was he just not
a really super happy, nice person in the first place.

(22:41):
There are so many different facets to all of this.
Rabbit hole is a great way to spraise it. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Absolutely. I took psychology in high school, and it's so
fascinating because if you meet somebody and you talk to
them for you know, half hour hour, you get a
really good idea. Especially some of these people you know,
you know what I'm talking about that you understand like
their whole life without ever you know, like you don't

(23:12):
have to tell me anything about your childhood. I know,
I know this is what happened. This happened to you.
You were bullied or you know, you had a good childhood,
or I know why it is that you are the
way you are because something happened to you that made
you this way. I don't know the exact event, right,
but there's there's certain patterns that you start picking out,
and you can you can start to it's so fascinating.

(23:34):
I love psychology and all the stuff that goes with
it because it's it's really interesting and it's like like
mediums and stuff, you know things about somebody without having
to know it, just by by talking to someone for
a little.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
While, and and that can be a blessing and occurse.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah. I love when people are like, how do you
know that? I'm like, well, because you know.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
It's just a feeling, it was just a thought I am.
But you already know, and I'm sure most of your
listeners are already where that those of us who have
chosen to hone those abilities and to put them into
use for various reasons. I use them all the time
in my practice, and then of course investigations. We don't

(24:16):
walk around wide open twenty four to seven. You know,
we can't exist on that plane all the time, or
we can't be able to communicate with people anymore. And
we're like so absolutely, but we do. I mean there
are time now we having a conversation with somebody. I
am not actively reading them, but if spirit thinks or
their higher self is trying to convey, I'm going to

(24:39):
get it. And then what do you do? Right? Do
you say something, do you play into whatever they how
do you handle that? Just depends on the person.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Thankfully, I don't have that problem. I have more to
that level of abilities or anything. I don't. I don't
claim to be a psychic. I don't claim to be
a medium or any of that stuff. I feel a
little like empathic, and that's that's that's I feel like
impass are like the lowest basic level of this, and

(25:16):
everything kind of grows from there because you feel emotion,
you feel energy first, and then you you open up further.
So I'm right about there. But I've I've learned through
doing the Estus method, the spirit box with the headphones
and the blinders and stuff I've learned during this. I
have what I guess I would consider mediumship abilities where

(25:40):
things come through and I see things. I hear things
that aren't necessarily coming through the headphones and coming out
of that radio. And I've been able to communicate things
to people that there's no way that I should know
and stuff and so. But that's that's the extent of
my wanting to be a medium or anything, because I'll

(26:01):
just keep it in the reads.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
But it's also a great way to describe being able
to shut down absolutely.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I mean they say that the ability to hear, see,
feel no is heightened often by static noise or white noise. Yeah,
and uh, you're kind of doing that with the spirit box.
I can't do spirit boxes. They drive me crazy. They

(26:32):
put my teeth on edge.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's only an acquired taste.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, I mean, I don't mind being blindfold I've done
asked us a few times. A couple of times. I've
gotten some great stuff. A couple of times I'm like, dude,
get this thing off my head. But it depends what
filter do you have. What's the background noise that enables
you to hear? For you, it's the spirit box and

(26:56):
having like you're you're basically desensitized everything around you physically,
you can't see, you're blindfolded, so that deprivation will also
make those other senses come forward.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I had a really good chat with Chris Fleming and
he said that the spirit box he believes, or that
not the spirit box, but the estes he believes because
of the white noise puts people in a meditative state.
And you're getting these things not through the spirit box,
but like you said, are are enhancing those abilities. And
I've always done like interesting and it took me a

(27:31):
long time to open up to that, Like I would
see things and I wouldn't say anything. I'm like, ah,
it's just crazy whatever, it's just my imagination. And I
would tell people after I got done with the session,
well I saw this, and they're like, oh my gosh,
that makes sense, you know. Okay, Well next time I'll
say it, you know. And so by learning to put

(27:54):
that out there, it's been a lot more open.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
You just illustrated some of that though, when you said
I didn't want to say anything to anybody, which begs
the question how often in our lives do we hear
or know things? And I'm just picking those two because
they're the most predominant or feel things, I guess, and
I have a how often do we have those experiences
in our daily lives? And just blow it off.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
I've had some interesting things. And the more I think
about this, the more you know, it's coming to that
point of I think it's what you guys are experiencing
as mediums and stuff. We've had an investigation. I'll tell
you this. It's the episode hasn't come out yet, but
we're we're having a conversation with what we believe is

(28:44):
an older lady and she's in this room, this upstairs
room of this house and she's trying to communicate with us,
and we're like asking her. She's giving us very direct responses,
but it's taking a while, and I'm sitting here going
hearing things like I'm getting there, like you know what

(29:05):
we'll say, like okay, can you make this light up? Now?
Can you make that up? And I just hear I
gotta walk over there now, you know, yes, yes, you
could hear the things in your head of this lady
just going. I just I was just over on that
side of the room. Now you want me to go back?
And then you know, I tried to do the estes

(29:27):
and I hear I don't know how this works, and
I'm just like, well that didn't come to the estus.
But that's just the feeling that I got was great,
just exasperated. Just just make this easy for me. You know,
I can do the yes no box. That's it. Let's
just focus on that. I don't want to And the

(29:50):
whole time we're doing this, I'm just hearing this little
old lady just going.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
But then, so if you were ready to own that
and speak it and sure your experience in that moment,
how much do you think that investigation would have changed.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Oh, I did do that in the moment. Yeah, I
did all that out loud. Yeah. Good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Do you think it made the investigation easier to be
able to convey, Hey, she's getting a little pissy because
we're running her around there?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
And do you think she would have been worth forthcoming
with responses, et.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Cetera without that or was she?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Do you think she was more forthcoming with how she
interacted with you?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
No? I think I think it made it easier to
communicate when we narrowed down this is what she understands,
this is how she can do it. Okay, I think
that helped just cattle. But but there's other other times,
like another investigation, like I just hear like you know,
you're you shouldn't be in this room, we need to

(30:50):
go to this room, you know, and and stuff like that.
I just ignore it, you know, because I don't I
don't want.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
To do that. I just ignore it.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I have found that.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
And I don't know when or how we're exactly where
I developed the habit. But when we talk about this
a lot as investigators, I know you do respecting the
spirits of the property that you're in understanding this is
their home. So when I move from room to room
at an investigation, I'll pause at a doorway, or as

(31:21):
I'm approaching the doorway, I'll start projecting out, you know,
thought wise. Hey, I'm coming into this room to talk
with you. Is that okay? I'll ask permission to enter
a different area of the home and they've said no,
and I'll be like, okay, well, do you just not
want company or is there a reason? Because I want
to know. Right if we're here, we're proclaiming that we're

(31:44):
here to get to know you, to understand you, and
so that we can tell your story. Then if we're
just barging into rooms, how are we respecting this person
and creating an environment in which they want to interact
with us?

Speaker 2 (31:59):
That is a fair point.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Arty's like, yeah, no, they don't want me in here,
but I'm gonna stay.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Well, I'll tell you this.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
There's some legitimacy to that, though, I guess there there's.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
A couple episodes now, I think there's there's there's two
I think out right now on our YouTube that you
can watch. And I get kicked out of a chair
because the spirit doesn't want me sitting in it. Well, yeah,
and I had I have to get up and leave.
And my mom has been kicked out of several locations,

(32:29):
out of hallways and even buildings and stuff because the
spirits don't want her in there.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
So here's my question for you, because I've had that happen.
I've been told by a spirit I'm not talking anymore
until she leaves. Yes, they want to be gone. So
I started to leave the room. I'm like, okay, I
don't want to interfere, blah blah. And I started leaving.
They're like, no, no, no, no, you can't leave. You're
the only one she's talking to. Okay, what do you

(32:55):
think the main reason is that? Were the one that
you've run into most often? When you're told were you here?
You understand they don't want you in that space, They
don't want to talk anymore. What do you think some
of the main reasons are for that?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Uh? Well, I got kicked out of the chair because
it was their chair and they didn't want me to
see it. And my mom got kicked out of the
hallway because she yelled at the spirit.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Oops.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, so she got she Ever, she's been kicked out
of the same hallway at this one location a couple
of times, but the initial time that it kicked her
out was it didn't feel safe, didn't like her there
because she she had a ghost meter on the floor
and it was just go all the way off and
she said, I need you to back up from that,

(33:41):
you know, stop making it go off. And it didn't.
So she's like, I'm might take it away. I'm gonna
hit you with this. It's not you know, you can't
do this. And then it got mad at her and
kicked her out of the hallway. And now we go
back there. She goes, do you want me to leave?
Everything lights up? She goes, fine, I'll go in the
other room, you know, and then everything then everything acts
up and talks to us and it's fine.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
So yeah, okay, don't provoke the spirits. Mom. Yeah, oh
my gosh, that's funny.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
She knows a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, she gets her responses. I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Oh yeah, it's funny. Kicked out a lot of places.
We've had another another case. We had a at the
Gentlemen's Club that we do the paranormal investigations. The spirit
in the basement does not like any kind of Celtic
crosses Celtic knots or any kind of Celtic iconography. And

(34:44):
we had this one public investigation there and the one
girl in the group was in there, and all their
equipment's going off, rempods, EMFs, all this stuff is spiking,
and this is we have activity. Don't get me wrong,
but this is a lot of activity for this area,
like all of a sudden like and I said, well,
hang on, guys, does anybody have any of this stuff,

(35:07):
you know, Celtic whatever, tattoos, jewelry, anything, And she goes, well,
I have this necklace. And I said, okay, do you
want her to leave? And everything spiked went off everything
she stepped out of that room, everything died, and they
couldn't get anything to interact again. So it definitely was
tied with yeah, that it just didn't want her in there.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
So have you been able to ask why?

Speaker 2 (35:31):
I have no idea why. Well we think that he
was Irish, the guy that built the building, and the
Celtic stuff isn't Irish. It's Celtic, and the Celts and
the Irish didn't get along. So we think that's why.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Pretty old soul.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, he was eighteen eighteen seventy seven was
when the building was built. Wow. Cool, he came over
with his parents from the potato famine.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
If I read the opportunity to go there with you guys,
remind me of that because you know my logo, which
is based on a tattoo that spirit showed me on
my way to the tattoo parlor on Temple Bar. So
if I ever get that.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Chance, yeah, definitely, we'll have.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
To amazing because you know, we talk about, well maybe
you know, I think you know, we talk about when
we cross over, we go through our life review. We
eventually over a period of time, which of course differs
per individual, let go of those earthly things that we

(36:48):
learned and incorporated. So for him to still be hanging
on to that all of these years later, that's that's impressive.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, it's definitely. It's one of the most active locations
that we've investigated. I mean, you want to talk about
respect and stuff. So I don't get me wrong, I
don't like paranormal tourism. I think I think that people
go to these locations, they spend a night asking for
things to light up, and they leave and as you're

(37:19):
not getting any research, you're not investigating. It's it's just
tourism at that point. So when we're doing these these
investigations at the club that we do, we actually had
our mediums come in set up all the equipment and
we said, do you want us to do this? Do
you want people to come here and interact with you?
Or do you want us not to do these tours?

(37:40):
And we have force four or five spirits that are
always there, and three of them said yes, we want
to have this conversation, we want people to come. The
other tour like, no, not really, and so we said, okay,
there's there's one area of the building that is off
limits because of other reasons and stuff there, and we said,
is it okay, do you guys want to go hang

(38:01):
out there when we do the tours and you don't
have to interact and they all said yes, And the
rest of them like, great, we want to still, you know,
mess with people and do stuff and have these things.
So the other three spirits are very active when you
come to visit, and there's a couple other ones there
as well now, but there's there's quite a bit that
they do and the other ones just kind of visit
as they want.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
But I love that that you showed them the respect
of inviting their input and found a middle ground, found
a way to work with those who want to participate
in those who don't, because it's so imperative to show
their respect and to gain the cooperation and establish those relationships.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Well, like you said, there's there are other entities. There
are other things out there that aren't necessarily good or benevolent.
But the majority of these cases, when people say they
have a demon at their house or something, is just
a past family member or somebody that used to live
in the house, or just a person, And when you
have to treat them like a person, especially if you
want answers, and you know, like you said, the respect

(39:05):
of asking if they walk in a room or something,
you know, to get that.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, I was at an investigation with another medium who's amazing,
but we had to have that talk about curiosity. Oh
there's something in the bathroom, like cool, let's go. No,
you can't go in there. It's really mean, it's really nasty.
I think it's evil. Why I just do okay, but

(39:33):
I can't go in there. That's what I came here for.
Find out who's here, what's going on, what's their story
and we ran into something else downstairs where it was active,
and I got the same response, Oh, they're really angry.
Oh they're bad. Don't talk to them. Well me, I
want to talk to them. They're here for a reason,

(39:54):
they're angry. Dig deeper. Why are they angry.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Not?

Speaker 1 (40:01):
It poured out paranormal tourism to me. When you said that,
is like, Oh, it's angry, it's evil. There's this really bad,
horrible thing. We got to go, Okay, maybe that's absolutely
valid and you should go, but give it that extra beat,
or give it a little effort and establish the relationship
with that energetic being. This guy was angry because he

(40:25):
was a jilted lover and the female was still in
the building as well. They kind of kept their distance,
but it was almost a constant reminder for him of
being a jilted partner, and that's what they were angry about.
So I know they're not evil, they're not demons. They
just aren't very happy souls.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
See you. When you said that, I got this picture
of you know, like the thing in the bathroom's angry,
it's mad, doesn't watch you in that. It's like, well,
if this is their house, if they live there, they're
in there taking a shower, and these people keep walking
in the bathroom on them pretty ticked off and start
throwing soap and shampoo and stuff too. You know, like
that's that's what I'm seeing, Like this isn't a demon. No,
it's just somebody taking a shower.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Respect my privacy, please, Yeah, you know that's.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
What we don't realize. You know a lot of people
that do these paranormal investigations don't realize that. You know.
It's it's as simple as that. You know, you walk
in the bathroom every time and the shower curtain flies shut. Well,
it's a demon, No, nobody's in There's in.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
A private home. One time, and there was activity in
the house, for sure, some of it was emanating from
one of the people who lived there, but there was
a spirit or two, without question, and one of the
spirits was very, very shy, traumatic life, not been treated well,
didn't want to interact with other people, and I legit

(41:48):
had to go to the bathroom when we were there.
So I walk in the bathroom and the shower makes
noises and turns itself on when I was there. I
walked in the bathroom and of course, I'm doing the
little high to come in here. I'm so sorry if
I'm bothering you. And I started talking to the people
in the human like you know this this person is
in here. They're hiding in the shower until we leave

(42:12):
because they're shy. They don't want to be noticed, they
don't want to interact. They're not here to cause problems.
But leave them alone, give them some privacy, maybe work
with them to set some parameters. They wanted to open
this home as a public venue and wanted to make
sure that the spirits would cooperate. Okay, responsible, reasonable, set

(42:36):
some parameters with this one. Tell it you know exactly
what you guys did. Where does this person want to
hang or this soul want to hang out where they
can have that privacy that they're looking for. It's not
necessarily even, But why are you angry? That's what we're
here for, right. We want to tell your story, we
want to get to know you, we want to understand.

(42:58):
So why are you angry? I guess that you're in
I'm not going to run away. But we're also taught.
There's your dynamic, right, We're also taught when we're children,
we can't have temper tantrums. I was taught the only
way that I was able to acceptably display anger was
to go in the garage and pound nails into boards,

(43:18):
stomp up the stairs, or slam a door. So why
did I think for most of my life I didn't
have a voice.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Okay, So.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
When we run into anger because we're not we don't
cultivate healthy anger in our society. We run into anger.
It feels offensive, it feels heavy, it feels really angry,
really scary. But why are we angry? It's always the
first even for us. It's the easiest promotion to reach for,

(43:53):
but there's usually at least one or two other things
behind it. So whether we're dealing with that, people are
living people, what's the reason for the emotion? I was
behind it, paranor therapist.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I was just gonna say, yeah, so I'm bringing this
back to this conversation here now. So when I picture this,
I think, hopefully maybe some of my audience has all
seen Casper, And you know, have you seen Casper a
long time? Sure? Yeah, I won't even remember this. I
don't know why it came in my head, but there's

(44:28):
scenes in there because her father that move into this house.
He's a therapist and he takes Casper and puts him
on the couch, and he's in therapy sessions with us
and with the uncles and stuff as well. And that's
why I'm picturing here.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
So that's funny.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Is this is this what you do? You go into
different locations and kind of like talk it through with
the spirits to see why they're angry or why they're upset.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
What is it that you do? Sometimes I do that
out loud and sometimes I do it in my head.
But I have done exactly that. And I mean the
public venue in which we found here's the angry guy.
What are you angry about? All he needed was a
little compassion And it was really born out of I

(45:14):
think for me finding a way to get myself to
be able to stay in a space that was a
motive that energetically overwhelming and perhaps uncomfortable. And I don't
think that I was able to really cultivate that until
I learned to do that with human beings. You know,
how do we help lift you out of this pattern?

(45:35):
What's keeping you stuck in this place? Okay, now we're
going to ferret through all of that. Where were we
oh mm hmm, a fairly well known location. I kept
running into these cragitty, grumpy old.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Men, and living or dead.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
They were dead. Well, I mean I run into them
in life too, but dead. But because of the nature
of that facility when it was functioning at capacity years ago,
these men were full of shame, they were full of guilt.
There was it was a simple question. If we're here

(46:17):
to tell your story, and I know you're in this room,
and I can feel that there's not there's there's a
bunch of unhappiness here. I'm gonna ask what's going on?
They come back or stay because it was a place
of sylace, it was a place of comfort, and it
was in fact a place of rescue. But their soul
when they got there already they were crushed at a

(46:39):
soul level. They had gotten to the lowest of the low.
They'd lost everything and they had to have a place
to go, and this is where they happened to be.
So even though they still carried that energy, even though
they were in a quote unquote safe, sheltered place, they
were cared for. But man, they get down to that
last time and you've got to go live someplace else
and bring your family. The amount of male protector, male provider,

(47:03):
guilt and shame is permeable in the space. It's crazy.
So yeah, that was Christina the one that said that
there's a paranormal therapist. Okay, so I suppose that. Yeah,
I guess that's true.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Do you find that, you know, you talk about these
people having shame and you know, not wanting to be
shy or stuff like that. So when you go into
these spaces and you say I want to tell your story,
do you find reluctance there? Not because they don't want
in rack, but because they don't want to share their stories.
They don't want people to know their shame or their
their problems.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
And it's not always that I want to tell their
stories that I want to understand. Tell me your story.
But it's worked both ways. So I'm with you. As
human beings, our society does not help us to develop
the capacity to sit with an uncomfortable emotion. I know,

(48:04):
full grown adults, the only emotion they can identify our
name is anger. But there's a whole lot going on
underneath that, and so we're not taught, we're not prepared
in most stages of our lives to process those emotions,
to sit with them, to let them run through in
our emotions are supposed to supposed to I don't know

(48:26):
who made the rule that our emotions are supposed to
electrically wrung the circuit in our systems for about ninety seconds.
But we as human beings are curious and we're frightened,
and we are in fight or flight because we have
to hide our emotions to be safe and accepted. And

(48:47):
that's a pattern we learn as teeny tinies. How do
we get out of that as a society. Many of
us are learning as adults that it's okay to have emotions,
to speak about them, to interact on an emotional level.
But how do we get rid of that? Because look
at it, it's affecting people after they die. You know,
we need to improve this for everybody.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
You deal with it now, or you're going to deal
with it then, well, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Call me cuckoo, but I had to learn for sure.
I was completely shut down as a child in order
to stay safe, So now I don't shut up. The
kindergarten teacher called my mom and said, hey, I'm worried

(49:36):
about your daughter. Can you come in. Some mom goes
in for the conference, and the teacher says, yeah, she
doesn't talk to anybody, she doesn't interact with the other students.
We're very concerned. Then I had already I was in
school like a year ahead. No, sorry, I was in
school a year behind. Everybody else took drivers i'd like
sophomore year. I didn't get to take until junior year,
so I'd already been put in. I'm a November baby,

(49:58):
so it's a wonky timeline. Mom came home and talked
to me, and I said, oh, yeah, I don't know
other names. Two weeks later teacher called back, Hey, we
can't shut her up. She acclimated, she got comfortable, careful
what you wish for. But there was a reason that

(50:18):
I needed to and I don't know our impat's born
or impaths made I needed to shrink and keep quiet
because we had a narcissistic, raging, alcoholic full of anger
in the house in my very young formative years. And

(50:41):
we're aware of that even in the womb, because we're
picking up Mom's energy, we're picking up the energy of
the space. So that's one of my favorite questions. Are
we born and pathic and open? Joe Despenza would say yes,
based on our brain vibration, but others would say, oh, no,

(51:03):
pads are.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Born nature versus nurture. Yeah, I think I think it's uh.
I think you're born with it.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
I think we're all born with abilities.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I think, you know, like I talked about this on
the show all the time. You know, I think it's
not beaten out of us. But what was the uh? Yeah,
your social network and stuff is taught out of us.
That you don't have an imaginary friend. There's not a

(51:41):
monster under your bed, there's not all these things, you know,
And okay, well then that's not real. You know, there's
no such thing as aliens, there's no such thing as ghosts.
You're just it's just your imagination. Go back to sleep,
you know. And so growing up, we don't have psychic abilities.
We don't have the empathic abilities. That's all, you know,
fairytale stuff.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
I think that creates a twofold issue because when we
talk about brain waves and stages of brainwaves, we come
in open and we're absorbing everything like little sponges. So
maybe we are seeing those things. How many littles do
we know that our reporting imaginary friends, but without questioning

(52:22):
it's just an imaginary friend. But when you engage in
conversation with the child, it's the grandfather that they never
met because Grandpa died before they were born or something
like that, or somebody from a past life. So there's
one that's a very natural ability, and we're discounting it
by telling them, oh, you don't have an imaginary friend.

(52:43):
But at the same time, if there's a monster in
the closet and we're not emotionally helping this child process
that and helping them find their power, now we can't
display fear, and we're teaching them in that very moment,
at that little teeny tiny age, self abandonment. So now

(53:04):
we have a bunch of people that aren't empowered. I
was at a house recently. I went to do a
private party and the mom said, oh, my son sees
a monster in his bedroom. And the sun was old
enough to engage and process, but still very imaginative and

(53:25):
very open, and so I was asking the son about
it and he said, yeah, he's got red eyes. And
we did the whole thing. I said, do you want
to show me? Would it be okay? So we went
up to the bedroom and mom said, yeah, even when
she was nursing him in the rocking chair. There are
two panels on the mobile mobile above his crib that
would move just too the rest would stay still. And

(53:47):
what we found was it was the mom's grandmother and
something that the child was interpreting that didn't feel heavy,
didn't feel ick, but of course it wasn't in this space.
When I was there. We talked to the kid and
we asked him his emotions. We worked through it with them,
and his grandmother is open, so grandma had already gotten
a good handle on this. And at the end of

(54:08):
the day we decided that we're going to give the
kid monster spray, and we even talked about so what
happens when the monster gets hit with your monster spray?
And this little boy looked at me and he said cake.
His mom said, it turns into cake if we hit
it with the monster spray and it turns into cake.
Now it goes through something terrifying to one of his
most favorite things in the world, and now he's an alchemist. Right,

(54:33):
so much fun. It was so cool.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
So that is that is really cool. And I'll tell
you why, because I've always had I'm kind of an
atheist whatever. I don't believe in a higher god entity.
I believe that there's an afterlife and all that, but
it's always bothered me that people put their their faith
in a single deity, that God or Jesus or Allah

(54:57):
or whoever existed. And when you say, like you know
in Jesus, Christ repels you and the demon goes away, right,
that's always bothered me. And then it started to make
sense finally that it doesn't matter what you believe in,
and in this case, it's your monster spray, right, it's
the intent and the power that you put into it.

(55:21):
So if you believe that if a demon shows up
in your bedroom and you use a cross and the
power of God gets rid of it, it'll go away.
If you believe that this monster spray is all powerful
and will make the monster go away, it will because
your energy is what's causing this to kick the entity,

(55:42):
the demon out. It's it's self empowerment there, and I
love that. That is just another Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
And to your point, if we're praying to a specific god, goddess,
whatever where and things are happening for us, if we're
praying for these things to happen or to stop happening
and we get the result we want. Are we handing
over our power or are we reinforcing our faith?

Speaker 2 (56:12):
I think it depends if you're if you're praying that
something happens and you actuate it, you are what is
it manifesting?

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Right?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
You're giving yourself that power, like I really want this job.
I'm going to work hard to do it. I need
your help getting it. Yeah? Or are you saying, oh please,
I really need this. You know I want it, and
then you don't get it. You're losing that faith in
whatever deity is that you're praying to because you're not
getting those things because it all comes from you, you know.

(56:43):
And I'm not saying that these other deities don't exist, right,
But it doesn't matter what it is that you believe,
as long as you have that intent and that belief
behind it, because that belief is the power, that energy
that's causing these things to manifest for you. Energetics, Yeah,

(57:04):
I love it. I have to circle back, and you've
kind of you've kind of touched on this again, so
it's good to circle back to the monsters under.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
The bed talking in circles.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yes, yes, you said you you had this running up
the stairs in the dark because.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Running down the hallway, oh the hallway.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, so your yours is running down the hallway?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Well then, yeah, the Facebook real meme saying that we
see all the time is running up the stairs. Mine
is just looking left, running down the hallway.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, okay, all right, fair enough.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I don't do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I still do.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Well, I think under the certain certain conditions, I absolutely could.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
But but but I have now and I can turn
lights on and off without being around it, so I
don't have to worry about running up the stairs in
the dark because she'll take care of it. I can't
say that too loud, because yeah, because and hope I've
just triggered somebody else's that's listening to this podcast on

(58:03):
your speakers, so hopefully anyway, anyway, Uh, are you a
Doctor Who fan?

Speaker 1 (58:12):
You know? At the time doctor who was popular. I
was absolutely not prepared for it. I feel like now
I could be a lot more on board.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Okay, this is a newer episode. This is the Peter
Capaldi uh doctor, and it's my absolute favorite episode. And
I've I've talked about this on shows before. It's called
listen okay, and the whole premise of the show is
why are we all have these same memories lizard brain

(58:41):
things of like you said, running up the stairs because
something's chasing you up it the creature in the closet,
the monster under your bed. We all have these visions
and it's like, if there was something there, what would
it do? And begin any of the episodes, he's going
through this whole monologue and he writes what would you

(59:04):
do on the board, this chalkboard, and he turns around
and he's yelling and stuff, and he turns back around
and everything's erased, and it just says, listen, I love it.
It's such a good episode. It's all about like this
creature under the bed and stuff and my favorite absolute
episode of Doctor.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Who, but actually a really cool portrayal of what we
do on investigations.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
So my question, what do you think this is what
lizard brain mechanics of nurture versus born? Why do we
have these things? Why are we all afraid of what's
in the closet, what's under the bed, what's chasing it
up the stairs or down the hallway?

Speaker 1 (59:48):
I don't know, I really don't know. Interesting question. I've
never really thought about it before. I mean, are we
all afraid to sleep with our toes hanging over the
end of the bed because the master's going to rabbit?
I had to train myself for medical reasons. I had
a cast on my leg. I had to train myself
to sleep on my tummy. My feet have to hang

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over the edge of the bed because of my foot
positioning in the cast. I'd just rather I had to
learn to get let go of that. I don't know
what is it? Universal consciousness?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yeah, but why I don't know what is in those
liminal spaces that comes Oh oh god, I just love that.
It's my favorite episode of Doctor Who. It's my favorite,
like just ah, and I still like if I go
up a dark set of staircase, I like something's following me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
I just don't like stairs. I have no idea why.
I just don't like stairs. But maybe that's why. Yeah,
there was a whole other house that I lived in
for the well first almost probably five years of my
life that had two sets of stairs. I don't know. Well, okay,

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good question, and kind of ferting through some responses on
it and rejecting things, but it still would beg The
same question is where did it come from? If we
are born women? This is this is a this is weird.
If we're all born women, especially with all of the

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eggs right we're ever going to have in our lifetime?
What material makes up those eggs? DNA? Where does that
DNA come from? And when we extrapolate that back, what
are the experiences of our ancestors or traumas or emotional
lie of our ancestors that we're actually carrying in our DNA.

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This is not even ours, but it affects us. So
how far back in humans lives do we need to go?
Oh to find that common thing to answer the question
why do we all have this same fear, concern, night terror?

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That's where my brain might You're like, why do we
do that? I don't know how far back we go?

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
We have to go back into fairy tales and mythology
of ancient history to see what used to chase us
up the stairs?

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Trannosaurus Rex. He couldn't reach us anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
I don't know what my picture so I think I
know the exact meme that you're talking about is like
a basement staircase looking or doorway, and then this like
were wolf creature thing is chasing the guy up the stairs.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
It's just a shadow figure that's chasing him up the stairs,
and the one that I saw, but she seeing me
laugh so hard because it's so relatable. Yes, and I
love that as a male, you're willing to admit that
there is that little creepy sensation of what's what's behind me? Pterodactyl.

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But but then it makes it funny because the pterodactyl
has those short little arms and he can't reach you anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I've never thought a pterodactyl was following me up the stairs.
I'll be honest on that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
But you know what could happen, right if you imagine
this thing and it's behind you on the stairs, is
the pterodactyl. Now it's funny, it's not frightening.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Yes, it would have to be a realist.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
That's a reach, but okay, I'll give it to you.
But the next time that happens, you think terredactyl, you're
gonna laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I'm still gonna run like hell, that's fine, you can,
It's still gonna happen. Awesome. I am going I have
one since we don't have a live audience, I have
one last question for you here and we're gonna we're
gonna wrap things up, and I would be if I
didn't come and circle back to this from the very
beginning of our conversation. I wrote it down while you

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were a chatting here because the Thanksgiving episode a couple
of weeks ago of the Untold Radio Network on Squatch
and Holler, it was me and a bunch of other
show hosts and stuff. We had a discussion about this
about areas that have quartz crystals under them. Okay, and

(01:04:25):
you mentioned that you used to live in Kansas, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Sorry, I'm sorry adjacent Kansas, adjacent, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Okay, it was the beginning. Confident I wrote down quartz,
That's that's what I wrote that, and we had this
This theory is do areas that have quarts have higher
activity of paranormal encryptids?

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Ooh, I don't know that they have higher activity, but
I can say that living in that area absolutely blew
me open. M kind of makes sense though. If Courts
is a power up, yeah, right, it would make sense.

(01:05:10):
But I think maybe I wonder if maybe some of
our more mild mannered cryptids, ghosts, whatever, may stay away
because of the increase in the electromagnetic field or the

(01:05:31):
increase in the vibe based on the words.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Like the negative works both ways, the negative stuff stays away.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Well, I don't know that I would say that, because
there was certainly a very low vibe energetic being in
that home that I lived in. I don't know that
I would say it makes them stay away. It's an amplifier,
so it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
And as a quartz crystal, it's a it's a amplify.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Yeah, so I would think that. I don't know. I
would think that not necessarily more low vibe, but things
that need more energy to be to exist, to keep

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keep on, keeping on might be attracted to the energetics
for the boost. And so can it give weaker spirits
who need a bit an energetic charge? Can it give
them the boost that they need? So? Could it just
be simply that the courts amplifies and makes that energy

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more available for them to utilize, and that can be
interpreted as higher rate of activity?

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
The other side of this is, okay, is it a
amplifying the creature entity whatever? Or is it amplifying us
in order to experience them?

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Can it be both?

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
It can? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
How can it amplify one if it's not amplifying the
other because we're all at the core of it energy. Anyway,
I definitely think that living in that area boosted my abilities,
brought them more problems, and maybe raised my vibration. I

(01:07:32):
need to not with that at that time anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
So you know, we spoke on this earlier. This is
Today's show is not live. It is pre recorded, but
I know if this was live, you know Lee Warner,
and Lee Warner asked all my guests. So I'm gonna
go ahead and do this if you don't mind answering
what is your blood type?

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
I do not know, Okay, I'll tell you why. I
love this question. Lee, thank you for bringing it up. Barnaby. So,
when I lived in Denver in my early twenties, I
was told that I was negative and then I needed
a row Game injection many many many years later for

(01:08:18):
some reason. Oh so I was in Denver thirty plus
years ago. I've given blood a few times since then,
and yes, I was confirmed to be negative and they wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
My blood negative.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
What I don't remember. I used to even have a
donor card that said, but the last couple of times
that I've been typed, I was not negative hm, which

(01:08:53):
leads to a whole other conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Yeah, so you know, Warner, do you know the history
behind this question?

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
I think it has something to do with the connection
to the Alien Farm, Alien Families, branches, alien Farm. I
don't know where that came from. Alien Branches.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
And this this does go back to Lee. Warner was
in the audience on the Thanksgiving episode that we did
that I mentioned earlier, and we pulled the audience on
there and I want to say, seventy five percent of
the audience was oh negative, wow, all of us on,
all of us hosts except for myself and Jeff our

(01:09:33):
own negative.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
It was really weird. And so now I've kind of
carried this on that I'm trying to get more information
on this for Lee and and the other people that
are interested in this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
But it's that's pretty cool. I recently saw something on
Facebook that said, you know, like correlated blood types with
Palladians and Asani, Sosani and different families.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
I didn't process at all, but I wonder I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
I'm not two into blood and stuff like that, so
I don't know. But how rare is it for a
blood type to change.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
I think it's pretty frickin rare. I think you're born
with yeah, and that is your blood type for life.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
I thoughts, even with transfusions and stuff, because you have
to You're not even rejected if it's not the right
right blood, So you have to be compatible. So the
fact of changing blood types is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Well, that's what's so weird. If it weren't just the
one incident when I lived in Denver when I was
typed as negative and then everything else was positive, I
would just assume that the facility I was at in
Denver was wrong and move on with my life. But
there were times after that that I was typed for
donation and I was negative.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
When Lee watches this episode, I know I'm going to
get a messages.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
He's going to message me, get a message to you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
I need.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Let's be down the rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
See that's the problem. We both know Lee outside of
this show personally met Lee, and uh yeah, so Lee's great.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Ignore her. She's an amazing human being, absolutely absolute.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Absolutely lovely. There you go, all right, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
We are.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
We are going to wrap things up. There's so much more.
I'm I'm excited that we finally got a chance to
talk to you, and they see I am uh. If
I'm not mistaken, I think I'm scheduled to be on
your show coming up in January.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
That would be a show that is not existing just yet.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Oh never mind, I don't know anything about that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
So if you're if you're forecasting, then I'm going to
have a show come January. You never know, it's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Am I not supposed to talk about this or you?

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Oh, I don't have a show anymore. I haven't had
a show since w l t K dB shut itself down.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
I sure, Oh you do you have an I apologize.
I am not on your show. It is another another
lady who's used to be on w lt K that
I'm on. I'm on Heather Lee's show.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Oh cool.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Yeah. I don't know why, but I had thought that
I was on your show, and that's why I was like, well,
you should come on mine? Then?

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Well, I mean, if you want to come and join
a chat in my private group, that'd be awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
I always tell them if there's a topic you want
to talk about, and I will tell you. I don't know,
but I'll go find somebody to come join us.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
So well, I think you, uh, you need to start
a new podcast because apparently I'm going to be on
your show in January.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
So okay, well it sounds like you're going to be
my premiere guest.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
There we go, there we go. Awesome, Well, I will
definitely have to have you come back because I know
there's some stuff that that we've brushed on before this
that we should we should come back and chat on more.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
So it would be my honor.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Awesome, I appreciate it. I'm so happy we finally got
to chat. And it's a small world with our friends circle,
and it's weird that we don't know each other more.
I think, all right, tell everybody, uh, since you don't
have a podcast, how can they reach out to you
if they they're looking for services or need some paranormal

(01:13:22):
therapy and your your other stuff? What what what do
you do with?

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
It's so funny. My website currently is dedra d E
I d R E L Sanford, just like thepen dot com.
And I am on Facebook under my name, and also
my business page is Dedra and Friends, but also so

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is my private group. Come join the private group. We
meet every Monday night at seven o'clock. You and believe
the things we talked about last last week. We were
breathing life into it in adamant agains.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Oh yeah, dragons, very cool to be dragons. I have
your website is in the show notes for everyone, and
I will hopefully by the time this airs, because we're
pre recording this, I will get your links to the
Facebook if you want to send me them after the show.
Here I'm in the show notes as well for everyone,
so that you can follow and check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Okay, super, thank you Barnaby for the opportunity to come
and just visit with you for the afternoon. It was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Absolutely, it's been let's see, we've been at this for
an hour and fourteen minutes and so we've been we've
been going for about two hours. That's awesome. And the
things that people missed out in that first part of
that conversation, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Should have been recording, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
But we will. We will have the conversation again and
we'll definitely have you back in chat more.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
So sounds great. Thank you, absolutely, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
You take care. I'll talk to you there. You do
the same, all right, guys, that is our show. We
will get the links to our website in the show
notes as well as the Facebook groups, and hopefully when
this airs you can be able to just check that
out and go like subscribe and share for all of
her stuff. And yeah, So until next week, guys, thank

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you all for tuning in. Remember to like, subscribe and
share all things here on the Untold Radio Network. Go
check out those other shows, and if you want some
more continuation or context to this, like I said, go
check out squatchin Holler the Untold Radio Network Thanksgiving special myself, Jeff,
Doug Hicheck Roger the host of that show, and I

(01:15:39):
can never Chris. We're all part of that show and
had some very interesting discussions about quartz crystals and oh
negative blood types and a lot of other stuff. So
go check that episode out if you haven't. So until
next week, guys, Remember we're all part of the paranormal spectrum.
Take care, be well, and I'll see you next week.

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