Real American Monsters #10 Snelgrove Before Monsterquest

Hello my friends in Monsterland. Tonight at 8pm est on the Untold Radio Networks Real American Monsters we welcome "The Boss" Doug Hijchek along with Joey"Bag of Donuts"Frascella. Get ready for a chilling dive into the unexplained! Two longtime friends who have a shared history spanning three decades at the remote and beautiful Snelgrove Lake in Ontario, Canada. Their annual fishing trips weren't always peaceful, as they recount several bizarre and unsettling encounters that defied easy explanation.

These experiences were so impactful that they spurred Doug Hijchek producer of hit show Monsterquest, to take his search for answers to the next level. The two's interactions at Snelgrove, ultimately lead to episodes on the show, where a team of scientists, explorers ventured to Snelgrove Lake to investigate the mysterious. Join us as we hear firsthand accounts of what the two witnessed, the challenges of bringing such a personal and unusual story to television. This is a story of friendship, the allure of the wilderness, and the persistent questions that arise when the natural world presents us with something truly extraordinary. Subscribe now, and hit that bell so you don't miss this fascinating episode!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Big Foot stopping through the woods, son of Shadow, Daniel.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Good, my man lurking in the us. That fire burning bite,
tall man howling, that floor.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Shadow creeping, bringing to Stadt by a thirst in food,
leave you cold, to leave.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
It did, Real to Lost.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Rise, Welcome to Theland.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Welcome to Real American Monsters.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
Hello, Hellola, my friends and Monster Land. Tuesday night again
at the Untold Radio Network's Real American Monsters, and we're
back in the chair and we're live, and we're at
the Helm for the next hour or so, and we
are in control of your destiny. So welcome one and
all tonight. I have a great, great show for you tonight.

(02:51):
I have the boss in the house, mister Doug hih
Checks with us, and his longtime partner in crime, mister
Joey Bag of Donuts for ship Ella is with us.
I had the privilege of sitting down with these guys
at a table for two straight years and listening to
the old stories at Snellgrove and listening to the and

(03:11):
reading the book up there in the scrap book and
learning you know, what went on up there beforehand. And
I said, hey, last week, I'm thinking what that would
be one hell of a show to get Doug and
Joe on, and so they are here tonight, Well at
least Joe's here right now. He's back in the green
room right now, smoking cigars and having a jack in ice.

(03:32):
Right now? Do we bring them on out? So for
everybody who doesn't know Doug or Joe, I'm just going
to read a little caption here. Doug Doug is a
successful television documentary series producer and television show creator committed
to bringing daring voices and innovative ideas to the screen.
He was respected in the industry as a cutting edge

(03:54):
technology camera systems inventor and a wildlife researcher and inventor,
documenting never before seen behaviors and animals such as black bears,
beaver's fish, and invertebrates. His team has captured the first
ever footage of a free swimming true giant squid in
its natural environment for the History Channel, as seen in
Predators of the Deep, a two hour TV special. If

(04:16):
you guys have never seen that, it's definitely worth the watch.
The very first filming of the giant squid. It was
pretty cool, of course, you know, it's hit series Monster Request.
It's maybe what he's best known for. Doug also has
CODA authored a scientific paper published in the Journal of
Animals on black bear hibernation and care of cubs in
the den. Doug introduced cameras to dens and beaver dens

(04:40):
and bear dens and he's one of the I can
believe he's the first man to do that. Doug also
has created many TV series, including the world's first big
foot TV series called Mysterious Encounters And if you've never
seen that, you can tune into that on YouTube. You
can see all all the episodes. It's definitely worth the watch.
Over the last thirty six years, this is highly acclaimed.

(05:01):
Sasquatch Legend Meeat Silence was all I don't know, how
did this go? Okay? So we did that all that
over the last thirty six years. His highly acclaimed Sasquatch
Legend Meet Science one was the all first scientific film
about the possible existence of the unknown human like primate
species living in North America. Dougas also consults for numerous

(05:21):
other series, including New in the Search of series on
History Channel, The Proof Is Out There and Less droughtsurviron
Man's Bigfoot. As tech director, Doug has sought out and
repurposed technologies for hundreds of TV episodes. This is only
a small part of Doug's bio. Sorry if I'm having
problems reading, you guys all know I've had four detached retinas,

(05:44):
so I'm doing pretty good right now. So now Joe
for Schella. If you guys don't know who Joe is,
Joe is a super super guy. Before I even start
reading anything, He's the salt of the earth kind of guy,
does anything for you, very very very very nice guy.
So he has worked with Doug as his right hand
man for thirty five years, and in fact, he went

(06:04):
with Doug on his first trip to snow Grove Lake
when Doug was filming his story for a local NBCTV affiliate.
That first trip turned into a scary adventure for both
Joe and Doug, from a near plane crash just getting
to the floatplane base in an emergency landing in the
forest due to the bad storm and zero visibility, and
then when one of the persons in his party almost

(06:24):
died once they got to Snell and had to be
airlifted out for medical attention, and then to make what
matters worse, they were both left alone at a desolate lake,
not even knowing where the cabin was or where anyone
would return to pick him up in the floatplane. So
that death story will be continued tonight. They will talk
about that. Joe has worked on many of the TV
shows in series with Doug produced through the years, including

(06:48):
Monster Request, Legimat Science, etc. It's been one adventure after
the other with Joe and Doug, and they are both
here tonight to share their adventures with us both. So
let's bring them out. Uh all right, the boss doesn't
have a camera going, it's only a there he is,
all right, So let's bring them out. Mister Doug Hicheck

(07:11):
and mister Joe Rischela.

Speaker 7 (07:25):
Just love the digital applause.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
Good evening, Hey Chris, how are you? Thanks for thanks
for stopping in tonight. I was getting a little worried
about you. Joelways on time, but uh, you're you're you're
you're straggling.

Speaker 7 (07:41):
I'm always straggling. There was one more email I can answer,
you know. Uh, Hey Joe, Hi, it's good to see you.
I just about I ran into Joe yesterday. I was
coming through his town. He lives in North with me
about what forty miles and I just tried to sneak

(08:04):
through his down and he busted me. I went on
me yesterday from up north anyhow.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
That's that's the fires going up there in Minnesota. You
guys sucking in all that smoke up there.

Speaker 7 (08:16):
Yeah, it's bad, it's really bad. It's actually affects, you know,
my eyes, my throat even more than that normally I'm horse.
That's even more raspy when it's smoky. Yeah, it's just
got to end. I don't know what they're doing up there.

Speaker 6 (08:31):
Yeah, we got it down here in Connecticut. Actually today
it's pretty bad, like haze and you coughing up and
your eyes are burning. Yeah, the same, the same thing.

Speaker 7 (08:39):
So well, in thirty five years of even going to
Canada to the Bush, there was only fire one time.
That was back in the late nineties, remember that it
was Yeah, you were with me on that one too.
That was a guardian like De la SEPs and Mini
that we were up But that was great for photography

(09:02):
because the sun and the red reflections on the water,
so it was great. I was up there filming. But yeah,
it's bad. I don't know, I don't know. Everybody's dealing
with it, but I wish it would go away.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah, I don't blame you. So I was just telling
everybody before you guys I brought you guys out, that
I was just sitting here last week and I was thinking,
what you know about a show to do? And I'm like,
how about bringing Joe and Dug on and have them
talk about Snowgrove Lake. Because I had the privilege of
sitting down at the table at snow Grove and listening
to all the old stories and reading the scrap books

(09:35):
and it only went on there before even Monster Quest
even did their series up there. So I'm like, wow,
that would be make for a great show.

Speaker 7 (09:42):
So well, you you have a perspective, that's for sure, right,
And you know, we tell people about the stories. You know,
if I sit down and you know, elbow up to
a guy at the bar and we're just talking whatever,
and we somehow get on the subject of fishing or whatever,
and you start relaying these just any kind of stories,

(10:05):
and people just think you're full of complete ps because
it all sounds like PS. I mean, okay, okay, I'll
tell you a story. The first day I went up there,
guess who was with mister Joe right here. We were
on our way up to do a I call it
a package, like a six minute package for a local

(10:27):
TV affiliate. And Joe comes and picks me up and
he had to be over at my house at like
six thirty in the morning or whatever. He comes over
and we're driving south and we look to our west
and the sky is turning black, like as dark as
your background there, Chris. It was just black, okay. And

(10:51):
I said to Joe, I go, I hope that song
That'll be the Day When I Die doesn't come on,
because we're about to get in a little plane and
fly into that directly into it. And right away what
two seconds after I said that would happened.

Speaker 8 (11:06):
You couldn't have scripted it anywhere.

Speaker 7 (11:10):
The buddy, all these songs That'll be the Day when
I Die comes up radio. When I look at Joe
and I'm like, oh God, it's gonna be a He's
gonna be a memorable trip. And so we we get there,
it just gets worse and worse. We get there and
the pilot is trying to what electrical tape some wires

(11:30):
under the dashboard together.

Speaker 9 (11:31):
Yeah, he's asking the coal pilot if he has any gaff, so.

Speaker 7 (11:36):
He wants gaff tape to tape up, you know, gaff tape.
It's like, no, no, no, no, you don't use that for
electrical and yeah, Ron asked me for gaff tape, didn't he.
And so they're trying to piece these wires together, and
you know, we got the storm getting worse and darker black.
I mean, it was just black in the sky, and
I know we're gonna fly directly into it, and we're

(11:57):
flying visual light rolls only vaphor. That means they can't
punch above the storm. You gotta fly through it. Basically,
you can fly through it a little bit, but mainly
below it. So it gets really rough. And of course
these two nuts that we're going with, h they don't
stop for nothing. I have been in multiple almost Yeah,

(12:22):
I would call him crashes because there's you know, it's
off the wheels and into grass and snowbanks, and so
I've been in bad stuff with these guys, and I'll
fly through anything. And I thought, oh, this isn't good,
and so we get in and of course I realized
this is Joe's first flight ever in his life anywhere. Chris,

(12:47):
he yes, no, he's never flown anything, not a commercial jet,
not a little airplane, nothing, and we're gonna take him
now on his first thing, on this crazy venture in
a floor in a in a wheel plane, but a
real tiny rental one. Yeah, it's really it's it's a cheap,

(13:07):
junkie overused rental plane, right. And like I said, they're
trying to patch the wires together under the dashboard. Okay.
So so I'm thinking, well, what can I do because
me and Joe are all plane, always playing prackical jokes
on each other constantly. So I'm thinking, well, how can
I get Joe on this because it is going to
be bad, but I still want to play joke on him.

(13:29):
So I tell them, I said, well, you gotta we
gotta put our life jackets on. You know, just blow
up ones with the rip cord. You know what I'm
talking about. The cool thing it's the Co two cartier
to go poof and they blow up. Okay, So I
made Joe put his life jacket on. I put mine.
They're great, you know, when they're not inflated, they're I mean,
they're there and they're great. So we put those on,

(13:51):
which is it's good to do that, but it's not
good to pull the pull the rope inside the plane.
That's not a good idea. But I'm figuring I've got
a plan, right, Gonna get Joe to pull that that
rip cord. So we're flying. We get into the storm
and it's just as bad as I thought it was
going to be. In The plane's bucking all over and

(14:11):
we're getting up to where we have to land pretty
soon to meet the the base camp guy. He's going
to pick us up at this little it's just a
little dirt strip, dirt dirt runway in the middle of
the forest. He's gonna meet us there. Okay, So we're
getting into visibility is like zero at this point, and

(14:32):
we're almost banging into the trees and we're trying to
get stayed below this crazy was it wind and rain
and you couldn't even see a foot front of your face.
And somehow I knew I knew what this pilot would do.
I knew he would put it in a slip and
drop it out of the sky into that runway. Have

(14:54):
you ever been in a plane, Chris, and you go
into a slip, the stal warning goes off, the plane
literally drops straight down almost. Yeah, you feel like you're
going down an elevator and it's scary. You think you're
gonna crash. For sure, you're gonna crash. And I had
been in a ton of slips in emergency landings before.

(15:16):
It's I kind of I knew that was gonna happen.
So the stull warning starts going off, and I knew
Lars was gonna throw her in a slip, and I said,
bail your cord. We're going in the watch and week
because he couldn't see he was in the middle, and
he pulls his thing and the thing goes and then

(15:38):
the plane drops into that little dirt thing with a
big bounce, you know, and it's all cool whatever, And
then we get out of the plane and right away
trouble starts. Okay, we like we haven't aready had enough?
I'm sure you were green? Do you remember that flight?

Speaker 8 (15:56):
How bad it was?

Speaker 7 (15:59):
And then we got out of the plane and I
remember the guy was supposed to film was turning green
like green. I've never seen a human turn green in
the face, and I thought, oh, this isn't good, and
so I thought I better get his stand ups right
away because he isn't like he was going to drop.

(16:20):
So I get his standing because I always come back
with this story. So I get his stand ups done
right there at the thing, and you know, he just
looked terrible, and we we finally we make it up
to the lodge, which is a lot closer about maybe
uh nine hours closer, Chris than when when you went.

(16:41):
So we went to Emo. It's an Emo. We drove,
we got picked up, and we drove in a truck
up to Emo, which still broughat me at three hour drive.
So you get up there and Ron's really looking green,
and we get we loaded. The floatplane goes adventure number
two and we take off. Everything's fine, storms over, we

(17:03):
get there, we land great, We get out and for
some reason, because I'm the camera guy, Chuck wants to uh,
Chuck wants to get Oh, he wants to hang out
with me and you because I'm the camera guy and
I can get I can get him, like teaching you
kind of fish this lake and yep, yeah, And so

(17:24):
I'm filming and and Joey was kind of new and
fishing at that time. He is now, by the way,
an expert. He really is expert castor fisherman. But then
he was green as many years ago. Yeah, I mean
Deduc thirty five years cres. So this is he was
quite young. He's a skinny, skinny young kid, and he's
kept casting into the trees, and Chuck kept saying, Joe,

(17:47):
either land those trees or leave alone. Yeah, it just
I kept seeing that lure sail up into those trees.

Speaker 8 (17:56):
It's a big, big arch, right, yeah, big arch it was.

Speaker 7 (17:59):
This guy was good. It was good for the story
we were doing. And all of a sudden we were somewhere,
not just very shortly after that, and we didn't even
know where we were because we landed, just gotten boats
and took off. I didn't pay any attention where we were.
We went a long ways. All of a sudden, Lars
pulls up in another Boat's an emergency emergency, you know,

(18:24):
Ron's gonna die. We get to the hospital immediately. So
Chuck just doesn't waste one second, pops out of my
boat into Lar's boat and they just take off at
high speed. And me and George are.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
Like, huh, we're just sitting there floating.

Speaker 7 (18:38):
We're just floating in the boat.

Speaker 8 (18:40):
We had no idea where were.

Speaker 7 (18:43):
We had no idea where we are, and I know
how long of a trip it is to get there.
And at that point, Chuck was running a beach aircraft,
big money to run that beach and gas fuel probably
eight hundred bucks. Back way back, it was like a
hundred bucks and fuel to run that beach out there.

(19:03):
And so I'm like, well, I told Joe he ain't
coming back soon. I can tell you that it might
be a week, you know, when he's got to make
another trip, right, We're just going to be on our own.
And Elson it hits Joe and he goes, where's the cabin.
I like, I don't have no, I have no idea.
I don't know where it is. I have no you

(19:24):
know that lake, right, we didn't get far but when
you were with but you can go forever and just
little nooks and crannies.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
And I find last lake while we were out there,
and we we we couldn't find it, but we got
way back in there and somewhere, and it was crazy.
So I can imagine not knowing where the cabin was
and trying.

Speaker 7 (19:46):
And and just getting dark. Chris, it's getting dark. I
mean it's getting dark quick because I think, because I think, well,
I think being Joe said, skirtless his fish, you know
when you're in Rome to his Roman story fresh. So

(20:08):
we we fish, we catch walleyes. We did find the
cabin after a little bit of searching. We then cleaned
their fish. I made fish filet's, Joey made the other food.
We had a big feast and it got dark and
then I can't tell the rest of the story because
it's illegal, so we got to stop right there.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
Seriously, I did have to add to this, Joe is
like the best camp cook in the world. They have
to add to tell people that he is like the
best camp cook you could ever ever find out there.

Speaker 7 (20:46):
So yeah, he is, but you know, he'd been going
there so long and on so many other trips. But
what was great is this is Joe's first real adventure, right,
and everything has gone completely And what was going to
your mind, Joe at that point, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (21:07):
I was just like a sponge trying to take it
all in, right. It was just I mean I saw
it and was absorbing everything was going.

Speaker 8 (21:14):
On, Like going back to the plane ride.

Speaker 9 (21:15):
Yeah, I mean, you knew what was going on, but
you weren't sharing that information with me. And I'm listening
to the pilot and he's like and and he just
I remember when he just barely saw that dirt runaway
off to the left. But I didn't realize that he
put the plane in a slip or a stall or
whatever do that. But I didn't know that. And I

(21:39):
just remember my heart pounding because it was I mean,
the sound in that small.

Speaker 8 (21:46):
And you're like, pull get your life jacker ready here
egging me on. It was just it was surreal and
really scary at the time. But yeah, after, I mean,
obviously we just survived to tell a story and it
is some of the best memories of my life.

Speaker 7 (22:02):
I mean, yeah, fun, Yeah, we did have fun. And
I what I mentioned, I can't tell the rest of
the story. I can't tell it. Uh. When I said
the league, I don't really mean legal. It's just something
you just I can't tell it. It's just a secret
we've held forever. But we did eventually get rescued and

(22:24):
we did eventually get done. We had a great time
on that trip. Bad beginning. The guy had his surgery.
It was a gall bladder and had burst. And when
you gall bladder burst, it's not a good thing. It's
an emergency. So it's gall Batner had burst. Could you
imagine having a health problem there.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
Chris, No, I heard the stories, the nightmare stories of
the guy with the with the leader in his mouth,
floating in the lake.

Speaker 7 (22:49):
Because yeah, we don't want to talk about that either.

Speaker 6 (22:51):
No, No, what I mean, yeah, oh I've heard, I've.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
Heard the story. There's stories. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
After that, why would you guys want to go back? Why?
Why why did this place? Why did that turn into
a place to visit again?

Speaker 7 (23:05):
Well, I mean, Joey can speak to the crazy luxuries
because you're in the middle of nowhere, but you got
all these amenities. You've got running water coming out pumping
out of the lake for a shower, hot water and demand.
You got a propane a refrigerator or had at that
time it was propane yep. So you had a refrigerator

(23:27):
and you had a shower, and you had a bunk
bed and you had a little battery powered lights in
the cabin.

Speaker 8 (23:34):
So it was like luxury and it was really advanced
years ago.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:39):
That was yeah, solar powered and all that. That was it.
I mean, you couldn't plug anything in any one ten stuff,
but you had lighting, you had uh, you know, pump
to pump water to wash your hands. You had a
sink and you didn't have a toilet. It's the same
way when you were up there, Cress. Nothing's changed. You
have an outhouse, but you have sink you want to

(24:01):
wash up.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
And you know they haven't they haven't done anything with
the out householes in thirty five years either. So well,
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
About that, but yeah, you could be right. I go
in and out of the as quick as I can.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
Yeah, And you're not looking either because you don't know
up behind you or you don't you.

Speaker 7 (24:18):
Know, No, you don't know what's gonna get you there, right,
I just know no one will go to the outhouse
after it gets dark. No, even even before anything happened.
You got to remember, we were going up there for
so many years, Chris. Nothing ever happened except a few
things that other people would tell me, mainly and then

(24:39):
that magical time with Josh in the boat, my son, Josh, yep,
you tell that story.

Speaker 8 (24:48):
Well, all I can tell you is that Doug and
I and Josh for fishing, and we ended up going around.

Speaker 9 (24:55):
A point that I called Pi Point, and we snagged.

Speaker 8 (25:01):
A couple of really nice fish in there, Doug and
I did over the years.

Speaker 9 (25:04):
But when he brought his son up there, Josh had
hooked into what he thought was the bottom of the lake,
and so he panted the pole to the Dead's and dead,
I'm kind of the bottom of the lake and there's
a lot of rock and you remember that, Chris, it's
it's easy to get snagged. And then Doug's like, no, no, no,
that the bottom of the lake's not moving.

Speaker 8 (25:24):
Here.

Speaker 9 (25:25):
You got a big fish, and he hit him, was
pulled back and made him pull the northern in and
it was a trophy northern. It was how big do
you figure it was done? Forty five inches or something?

Speaker 8 (25:34):
That was huge?

Speaker 7 (25:34):
Yeah, it was. It was good thick. Yeah, it was
forty two forty four, that's.

Speaker 8 (25:42):
It was big.

Speaker 9 (25:43):
And so we were sitting there and we were just
kind of taking in the moment, right, taking pictures and laughing,
and you know, it was kind of fun. But in
the kind of you know, in the paws of quiet,
we heard this kind of operatic for lack of better's
this kind of operatic sound, and so we all were like,

(26:04):
do you hear that? To hear that, then we all
kind of listened and how else would you explain that, Doug?

Speaker 8 (26:09):
It's operatic? Is that the best way to explain it?

Speaker 7 (26:12):
Yeah, it was kind of operatic singing. It wasn't excuse me,
it wasn't any any words you could understand, but it
was going through all these notes, you know, and it
was very high pitched, very kind of like the Taho scream.
Are you familiar with the Taho scream?

Speaker 6 (26:33):
No? No? But I had Jonathan Brown on the show
last week and he brought us recording of sounds like
a female singing with him.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
Oh really, okay did he play it on their on
your show?

Speaker 6 (26:46):
You played it on the show.

Speaker 7 (26:47):
I got to go back and listen to that.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
I might still have it. I'm looking for it right now.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
Oh okay. So it was very much sounded very female,
very loud, very clear, and it sounded very happy.

Speaker 8 (27:00):
And Doug and I had firs that spot years before
and never heard that.

Speaker 10 (27:06):
But yeh, it was where we would excuse me, have
her while eye jamber, yep, exactly, Man, this coumidity.

Speaker 7 (27:19):
He's killing me.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
And that's reported in many places of like that. Let
me see, I don't know which one it is. He
gave me three recording. They're going to play the first
one right now and see if I can find it.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
Heard that.

Speaker 7 (27:45):
It kept going through all the now tired and hiron
lower and lower.

Speaker 8 (27:49):
Yeah, I went through like the whole octave. Yeah, oh yeah,
the whole range. It was beautiful.

Speaker 6 (27:54):
Actually, this is the one that I think you're saying
the females singing.

Speaker 7 (28:03):
Yeah, it was very The tone of the voice is
almost exact, very female. The picture of that going through
all the octaves, back and forth, up and down, and
and I remember my son he goes, he goes, Dad,
I know why you come here? You know. He started

(28:23):
getting it. He was like, it's like it's like a
mystery up here. Everything. And then that was the same
night and the only night I've seen a red orb
up there that snow.

Speaker 8 (28:37):
That was the night that we saw that. Okay I remember, yeah.

Speaker 7 (28:40):
Yeah, because Josh saw it. Yeah, it was Josh, me
and you.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
And Joe just seen one recently last year at the
red orb outside the window of the cabin.

Speaker 8 (28:49):
Ye, Adam and I saw that. Yeah, it was over.
It was crazy.

Speaker 9 (28:53):
It was where well when we're looking over your shoulder,
it was behind you when.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
A voice came through the speaker there that's around the barn.

Speaker 7 (29:03):
Yeah, that's that's hilarious. So well, what it did, Chris,
is it it went up from the ground above the
trees and then right back down and it looked exactly
like a red day light. Of course, you know, there's
no no roads or cars up there, so that's the
strangest part I found up there.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
But coming and not knowing where you're going? Is that
the silence? Right you're looking for light. It's like even
silence of light. There's nothing up there that there's nothing,
you know, unless the moon's out, you got it. Dark dark,
It's purple dark. That's how dark it is. Yeah, I've
never seen skies like that in my life. And you're
searching for sounds just to hear, I mean, you're so
used to it, and there's nothing.

Speaker 7 (29:46):
So yeah, it's it's a it's a very unique special place.
And you know, we just would go there all the
time just to get away and just yeah we're fishing trip.
I even go there once in a while alone, and
I do know that you all. I think it was Brad.

(30:11):
I hate to give names out, but it was Brad
and then Chuck. They were out fishing together and they
came back and they were a little freaked out because
a big like not a log but a thick stick
came hurling over the trees and landed by their boat.

Speaker 8 (30:30):
I remember that story, you know.

Speaker 7 (30:31):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 6 (30:34):
When When did you guys, When did you guys start
putting the pieces together that there possibly could be a
spot that Bigfoot's visiting? When when did that all? I mean,
you had you had the strange to the vocal. Uh
did you guys start making a point to look for
the bigfoot when you started going back up or didn't?
That didn't play a role until later on.

Speaker 7 (30:52):
No, I don't think anything played a role that we
didn't really necessarily. I don't think we connected that to
a big Foot. I certainly didn't.

Speaker 9 (31:00):
Wasn't it our father daughter trip that we took. That
was that was?

Speaker 7 (31:04):
That was when it all happened. Yeah, yeah, that's when
we connected all the dots and all the weird things
that you know happened. We just kind of went, oh,
and that's a simple story.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
You know.

Speaker 7 (31:17):
You remember that, you remember that the hidden lake we
were going to take you into.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
Chris, Yeah, we couldn't get in because and so low.
We couldn't even get the motors through it.

Speaker 7 (31:29):
Yeah, there there was no water in it. Yeah, there
was a zero water and real low lake levels. And
so we tried to show you up. But we would
go back there. And we had taken everybody, Vlad, his daughter,
you and your daughter, and me and my daughter and

(31:50):
I led the way on the way out to try
to get those guys. I kind of knew where all
the big rocks were, the hazards were, and we're using
we just using our oars or long poles, I don't remember.
I remember, Yeah, we're just pushing off the rocks. And
my daughter started making monkey sounds about halfway on that

(32:12):
little creek and I asked her, I said, what are
you doing that for? Hun? And she goes, oh, it
helps me catch walleyes. And she was catching little walleyes
in that stream and I was like, oh, okay, whatever.
So she kept doing it and we got to the
open where it meets it comes out into the main lake, yep,
And that's where there was a wood knock right by

(32:34):
the boat. And I'm like, and I'd never heard of
wood knock up there, and it was right, I mean, Chris,
that wasn't even fifteen feet from the boat. Maybe I'm
gonna estimate not more than ten. It was that loud
and right there, you know. So I just said to
everybody tonight, we're going to do a wood knock. And
that was the first and only wood knock in what

(32:57):
twenty twenty some years of going there, Chris, and so
we waited till well about one in the morning.

Speaker 8 (33:06):
It was late, yep, because the other younger kids were yeah,
and my daughter was still awake.

Speaker 7 (33:12):
He was the only one that was away was old.

Speaker 8 (33:14):
Yeah, my daughter.

Speaker 7 (33:16):
And on the other gal was a little girl was
sleeping inside and uh fat was one in the morning too.
In the morning. I don't really pay attention, but I
was like, let her have it, lad. We had already
a good club picked out. We had the tree kind
of I knew a tree used, uh, just as it

(33:36):
just looked like a perfect wood knock tree. The pine
Boy tree.

Speaker 8 (33:41):
Yep, the pine Boy tree, which is gone now.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
But yeah, oh yeah, that's where I wanted to be
buried by the snow grove. Pine Boy. Yeah he's gone.
I can't do that anymore. But anyhow, so he wax
it and we get an answer Chris, like really loud,
solid wood knock just outside the campfire light, you know,
And I remember Joe watching his jaw drop.

Speaker 8 (34:06):
Yeah, it was. It was a really wholesome, wholesome moment.

Speaker 9 (34:14):
My daughter was sitting at the doug and we heard
this response and she starts calmly shaking, not like crazy,
but just calmly. And I have my hands on her
shoulders and standing behind her, and we're both just taking
in what we just heard and trying to process it,
going what made that sound? And there's no other logical

(34:38):
answer there just isn't. And it was it was that
perfect wood on would sound. It wasn't like a thump
like a treatise fell over.

Speaker 8 (34:49):
It was that popping sound, right, and it was. It
was an amazing, amazing moment.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
What was your daughter?

Speaker 8 (34:57):
What did you?

Speaker 6 (34:57):
What was your daughter? Was she? Was she scared? When
she will? How is she reacting to this?

Speaker 9 (35:02):
It was again, it's kind of that wholesome fear. You're
just trying to trying to understand what made the sound?
You're going through, Okay, what was that a bear? Was
that a moose?

Speaker 8 (35:10):
Was it?

Speaker 7 (35:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (35:12):
You know?

Speaker 9 (35:12):
And they were walking through it, right, and you know,
nothing else made sense because whatever I felt like, whatever
hand it needed hands to me.

Speaker 7 (35:20):
Yeah, but I think you were at that point you
were just kind of neutral on the topic. You. I mean,
I don't think you dwelled on it. You helped me
with the topic at times, but I never really sensed
you were like really into it or believed in it.

Speaker 8 (35:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (35:34):
I was.

Speaker 9 (35:34):
I mean, I'll always been interested in it, kind of
in a just a passive way, not really you know
it certainly not like a like a certainly wasn't a skeptic,
just kind of neutral.

Speaker 7 (35:46):
For you were just neutral. Yeah. But I did see
your jaw drop.

Speaker 9 (35:50):
That night, Yeah, it did, and it was Yeah, it's
still one of those things that today sticks with you
because today.

Speaker 8 (35:57):
I don't have an answer for that. What made that sound?

Speaker 6 (36:00):
No, Yeah, I'm trying. I was just thinking to myself.
I'm sitting here, I'm like, man, we didn't hear any
knocks up there, And I'm like, oh my god, the
thunder knock and then a case to my head.

Speaker 7 (36:09):
Yeah, yeah, did you talk about a knock? You said,
knock about knocked you backwards? It was so long.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
Yeah, we felt that things, but I don't I don't
know you still just I have no idea what that.

Speaker 7 (36:20):
Was, and maybe your listeners don't know, but I've never
even heard a thunder knock. And why don't you just
tell that story real quick?

Speaker 6 (36:29):
Mud actually in the in the audience too, Budge watching.
Oh hey, but we were up there the first year
for you guys who don't know it, and uh uh,
we were there the last day and we were all
packed up and we had everything on. Everything was on
the on the on the dock, and we're waiting to
get picked up by the plane. It is the first
day the sun came. I was raining and cloudy the

(36:49):
whole time we were up there, and h Adam's on
the dock and me and Bud who's in the audience,
ba Bud is uh, we're sitting there and we're looking
over just look at the show. And then all of
a sudden we heard this can't explain it, just like
an explosion. It was like two cars ramming each other
straight on in the woods. It went and it just goes.

Speaker 7 (37:12):
Boom, and then.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
We felt waves. Sound waves hit us in the chest,
one after the other, boom, boom, three of them. And
me and Bud look at each other and we go.
We don't say did we hear that? We go did
you feel that? Because we felt it was like the
waves hitting you from the ocean on your chest. And
it was the loudest thing I've ever heard. And then

(37:35):
Adam heard a response from the other side of the
snow Grove Lake, something clapping back. And then it happened
again after the plane landed, and this time it was
right in back of the cabin. It wasn't as loud
because I think the cabin muffled it a little bit.
But now it's right and back because she the girl
came and she's checking out the cabin and she put
down one of the pro paane tanks. As soon as

(37:55):
you put down the propane tank, you hear this bom again.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
Do you think is it possible that the thing was
watching her set that propane tank down and timed it
on purpose, just to kind of just because he kept
hearing this kaboom on the dock, because those propane tanks
are heavy, they're tall.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
And they're.

Speaker 6 (38:20):
Every time Bud would tell you it was like the
instance she dropped it. As soon as she dropped it,
that came from back of the cabin.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Wo.

Speaker 7 (38:27):
Yeah, that's kind of strange. I mean, it's just strange.
But when you when you told me it was like
a grenade.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
Going off like a lot, it was like an explosion.
It was really the loudest thing I've ever heard in
the forest.

Speaker 7 (38:42):
I can't even relate to that, but it's it's I mean,
it's good. How I was happy when people other than
myself because me and Joe had left. I wish we
wouldn't have because that flight was that was bad.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
That's why I was going to bring up that wasn't
your first flight, wasn't the only flight you guys had
a rough flight that date, that first year you go
out of there was a rough trip.

Speaker 7 (39:00):
Oh, it was bad. I was actually probably more worried
on that last flight that we were on, not last year,
but the year before. Joe remember, oh yes, And I
can't remember was that last year that we we had
to we had to leave early, and we stopped and
picked up some two other older guys and another far

(39:21):
away lake, maybe one hundred miles two hundred miles away.
And the first thing that guy gets in, he goes,
what the hell slaps on a cabin lat in the
middle of the night. He just comes in and he's
like mad.

Speaker 8 (39:36):
Because he didn't get sleep.

Speaker 6 (39:39):
I think that's where they were that last year. They
were over at a different campsite. I guess maybe they
were over there longer and had better food source or
something whatever.

Speaker 7 (39:47):
They don't know, but I do know this. The guy
comes in and he just started yelling, what slaps? And
I go, I think I might be able to explain
it to you. I said, have a seat.

Speaker 8 (40:00):
Hilarious.

Speaker 7 (40:01):
That was funny. It was just hilarious timing right.

Speaker 6 (40:04):
What was the old outfitter? Was it Walt? Was that
his name Walt?

Speaker 7 (40:08):
No?

Speaker 6 (40:08):
No, it was Chuck Chucky? I don't know.

Speaker 7 (40:12):
Yeah, And we love Chuck and we missed Chuck. And
I haven't heard or seen from him. I hope he's
doing good. But he was always the pilot that flew
us and then what's while his sons as he got
older would fly us out.

Speaker 6 (40:26):
But they were stories. Did he did Chuck have any
stories that he used to tell you guys that of those?

Speaker 7 (40:32):
Yeah? But I don't want to repeat them necessarily because
he told me a story and then retracted it. I
don't know, out of fear of me going public with it.

Speaker 6 (40:44):
But I don't know, the new outfitter told us stories also.

Speaker 7 (40:48):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. But you know, one of the
things people have to understand is going there it is
an adventure. You don't quite know what's going to happen.
I took a vet once and she'll never go again
because of all the adventures. We had an emergency land
you will you on that trip, emergency landing where Dave,

(41:12):
Oh yeah, you were when Dave cut him cut his
head really bad on the wing. We had an emergent Okay,
we're trying to fla out of there, and it's it's
raining and drizzling, and the ceilings low, and I was
worried about only whatever. So I get in a plane.
The whole plane is steamed up, but not that bad.
I mean, he could, you know, wipe it out. So

(41:34):
we took off and it got the ceiling got lower
and lower and lower, and we could hear the trees
about pooping on the you know, hidden the bottom of
the plane at the top of the trees. And you know,
we got a land now like it's gonna happen either
in the trees or hopefully away from the trees. And
we just barely made it into the into the water,

(41:57):
and there happened to be what it was like an abandoned,
abandoned hotel or a movie.

Speaker 8 (42:03):
Yeah, it was weird.

Speaker 7 (42:05):
Yeah, it was weird. And so we go what Joe
you cut out?

Speaker 8 (42:10):
Oh that was a huge structure that I remember. It
wasn't just like a small building.

Speaker 7 (42:14):
No. No, we explored it and it was dark and
there were no electricity or anything. So we get in there.
We're just trying to get out of the rain. And
David cut his forehead really bad. He's bleeding everywhere, and
try to get him patched up. And we're in this
it's like a movie. We're in this thing. It's thunder
and lightning and rain, and I mean, I mean a

(42:36):
better walking around exploring, you know, just whether I get
a flashlight or looking. They see a roll of paper tolls.
I said, get those that could save our life. That's
what I told her, Just get those. They could save
our life. And they ended up saving our lives. I
believe that was as a true fact. So we we

(42:57):
were in there for quite a while and all of
a sudden, I think it was it Chuck or somebody
here that motor coming and looked I don't know, I
don't know what happen, but there was somebody coming and
holding the gun, and there were signs all over that
anybody comes in here is gonna get shot, right, And
so here comes these two guys with guns, and you're like,

(43:19):
get in the plane now, everybody. It's just pouring rain
still and it's like everybody now now and hour up,
you know, And and these little uh motor boat's heading
towards us. I look and I can see I can
see them holding rifles. And it was insane. So we
get in the plane and of course everybody piles and

(43:40):
we're all wet, and now we're soaked, and the plane
fogs up. It's so bad, you you can wait. It
just steams up right away. And he just guns that
thing and he takes off and Chuck yellsright, somebody hand
me something, you know, and he doesn't know where He's
got to lift off at the tree line and he
doesn't know where the tree line is and throw that

(44:03):
paper towel roll in his hand and he goes whoa,
and woo we go the top of the trees. And
uh so that was a trippy vet went on, and
of course the cabin got attacked while we were in
the cabin, so she got to experience that, and she
got to experience the fun flights that happened. And then

(44:24):
we get back and Chuck said something. He goes, I
didn't think my plane could go that fast. I remember
him saying.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
Anyhow, why why do you think that they that that
cabin is is single out is because it's the only
one out there, and that's why they know that there's
going to be food or what would what's your guys
opinion on that? Why is there always Why is that
a cabin always getting attacked? Why?

Speaker 7 (44:49):
Well, I don't know the exact measure, but the next
nearest cabin is probably about one hundred miles away and
there's only a few people that go there a few
times a year, right, It's and it's like a long
ways away by plane. And so each cabin is required
to pack their garbage out, the non perishable, the tin cans,

(45:10):
the soup cans, uh, pop cans, beer cans, anything that
won't burn you gotta burn everything else. Uh. And so
you're gonna pack out the plastic and all that kind
of crap, but you have to throw your perishables out
the you know, dispose of them behind the cabin. And
I can tell you there's usually a lot that we

(45:32):
just because all we end up eating is fish almost
every time. We just fish fish fish, fish, And you
have to get it once. Really he wants a salad
up there you have fresh walleye. It's like, really you
want salad? So anyhow, but you know, eggs, grey, grease,
it gets it's you know, fruit, it's all this crap

(45:55):
and it's just a big pile of meat everything, And
so I think that could be one of the lures.
But there's blueberries all around. And I really feel that
these things are curious about people. So the noise is
going to drag them. You know, if they hear noise
and people talking far away, they're gonna come check you out.

(46:16):
Why wouldn't they, you know, if they can be stealthy
and sneaking at night, Lord knows. We felt like we
were watched, and Joey brought it up that first trip, man,
that was I'll never forget that. Ye. In fact, I
interviewed you. You were actually on TV saying it. The
first time we got back. You go about some about

(46:37):
a zoo animal.

Speaker 9 (46:38):
Did you say, I basically felt like we were being
watched like we were the zoo animals. Yeah, And I
didn't know why I felt that way. I just felt
that way, and that was five years ago, but I.

Speaker 7 (46:47):
Felt it, yep, So from day one, I felt like that.
So that's so there's there's the edge theory that they
like edges because that's where things, that's where things are,
it's where it's where life's happening. On the edge, easier travel.
There's also all of the fish and trails that we

(47:07):
put out right on the other side of that bay,
and everybody's instructed that was put them, you know, away
from the cabin because we get our fresh water from
the lake. It's just pumped directly on the lake, no filter, nothing,
And so you don't want a pile of fish entrails
laying in the water, right, you don't put them in
the water. That's like the worst thing you never do

(47:28):
in an outpost is put entrails in the water. A
lot of guys will do that. You bring them out
on land, you put them far away from the cabin,
and usually the seagulls or other animals come and dispo
to that stuff pretty quick. And so that could be
a reason and the reason I say that is because
something me and Joey saw right at that. You remember

(47:49):
where the spot is.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
Right, Chris, Oh yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 7 (47:52):
Yeah, yeah, right across that little bay. Somebody's got a
motor over there with a five gallon bucket and dump
all the entrels. Well, we were burning, it was it
was the last day. We were burning the perishables. And
we hear like, and this is after the cabin was attacked.
We hear like chimps fighting. Do you remember all that

(48:13):
noise and racket we were hear? Then I'm like, take
you hear the like, just stare right there, just keep looking.
Then we see two black shadows upright, shadows behind the
sall the small stunted sparce trees, and they were just dark.
I mean, I can't, you know, tell you what they were.

(48:35):
I have no idea. They could have been black bears,
I guess, but they were they were. It looked like
they were standing and quite tall and walking. But there's
just from that distance, it's just black blurs. And then
I went away. It was like they were fighting over
the ventro pile, right, Yeah, that's what it sounded like.

(48:56):
It just sounds like chimps fighting. I can't explain it
any other way.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
Why do you think they use the door? Why not
the big sliding glass in the in the front of
the Why do they like now we just went back
last year and they broke in again. I don't know
if a lot of people know this. Yeah that are
here in the are listening now.

Speaker 7 (49:15):
We haven't even really told that story. I have not mind.
I'm sure a lot of people haven't heard that. But
we got freaked out. I mean it was the last trip, right, yeah, yeah,
last trip, So I mean I can give you my
quick version. We get up there for long drive. We
get up there late at night, up at the floatplane base,
go to bed. I go to bed, to my wet

(49:36):
sleeping bag. Things to Joey here. Now he knows why.
I pay him back with jokes. So Joey had put
a leaky cooler next to my sleeping bag and absorbed
all the water. So I had a soaked, wet, double
wide sleeping bag that I had to sleep in. It
was horrible. Hey, So we get up in the morning.

(49:57):
Thanks Joey. We get up in the morning and we
go down to Pirabelle. Right, Chris and I think she
asked us, like, where are we taking you today? And
somebody said Snell Grove and she goes, oh my, and
she goes, did you hear what happened? And we're like,
what did we hear? What happened? What happened? Oh, the

(50:20):
cabin got all wracked. And then Adam right away pipes up,
do you have any vent? Do you have any fixtures
or a video of it? And we look and that's
when my heart sunk because of what we saw and
what did we see?

Speaker 6 (50:32):
Chris, and they pushed into glass, just came through the glass. Now,
if that was a bear, and people have always asked
me this question, I've always stated this, if that was
a bear, they were going to try and crawl through that.
Whatever broke the glass knew how to operate that handle
right because they opened the door. There was no blood,
there was nothing cut, and there's no way of bear.

(50:55):
Even the bear that showed up there, there was a
bear there last year. There's no way he was fitting
through that little hole in that door and getting in there.
There's just no way.

Speaker 7 (51:06):
Well there was okay, from the first time the cabin
got destroyed and attacked, I noticed not one claw mark,
not one scratch anywhere in that knotty pine, very very
soft lodge bull pine sighting, or the cupboards or the shelves.
You cannot rip a cover or a door off a

(51:29):
cabinet without leaving some teethmarks or claw marks on it.
There was nothing there. So so we get up there
and we're talking to her. We see the broken glass
in the mess. She shows us the video and here's

(51:49):
what the video. This is where it got really interesting.
Shows us the video and it goes. It shows the
two pilots walking in and they go, welcome to snow Grove.
F you know the F word, And it was like
and then of course those are the guys. They knew,
they are the ones. They had to clean it, fix it,

(52:10):
you know. And I don't know, I would imagine they
took took the video and left, came back to get supplies.
They took an inventory of the cabin and it was
it was really trashed, except when I saw the broken glass.
That's when I really got on guard and I'm thinking,
holy crowd, we may not make it out of this.

(52:31):
And it got even worse. Chris, Remember, we go down
to ghe and we go down to the dock. Then
after that old fiasco, we're already freaked out. We go
down to Gee the pilot and he goes, where are
we taking you boys? Hey, how you doing?

Speaker 11 (52:43):
Blah blah blah, Where are you taking you guys today?
And we go Snell and he goes and I'm like,
oh no, And he goes, did you hear what happened?
We're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they can we
got wrecked. He goes, no, I'm not talking about that.
He goes, did you hear? We're like what what?

Speaker 7 (53:03):
He shows us a picture of the biggest tree at Snell.
The next day they went back to like put a
door handle and finish up the lock or some dang
thing and something that had pushed after the cabin all
fixed the biggest tree at that you know, at Snell
on top of the cabin. Gently. It didn't damage the

(53:24):
cabin at all. It just kind of blocked it just
basically said don't come here.

Speaker 6 (53:29):
All right. And it was a good side tree because
half of it was cut on one side of the
cabin and the other half was in the woods on
the other side of the Yeah.

Speaker 7 (53:37):
It was big. We just don't normally get that big
but that one must have been like maybe five hundred
years old. It was really old. Trees grow so slow
up there.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
We got to go back one more time. I told Maria,
I have to go back here one more time. That
place scripts you. Yeah, it's just something about the whole.

Speaker 7 (53:55):
But Chris, just me asking you a question. What went
through your mind when you saw damage and then and
then we went down and you saw the tree over
the entrance.

Speaker 6 (54:06):
Way, Well, you had to think they're using their break.
They're not afraid to break the glass now, and the
whole front of the cabin's glass. Yeah, the whole front
of the cabin and the sides and everything. There's just
you are. People don't really you know, they say you're
a chicken, or you're you're you're scared. They don't. You're
You're the only thing for five hundred square miles. If
something broke into that cabin, whether it was a hungry

(54:29):
bear or anything that broke into that cabin, and you
got hurt, and you got hurt bad, and that plane
can't come get you, you're in serious trouble. You're you're
in trouble.

Speaker 7 (54:39):
I mean, well, what do you think that the tree
getting I mean the top, it all off in the tree.
What do you think that meant? Stay away?

Speaker 6 (54:47):
I just think, well, yeah, stop, yes, I mean, if
if anything, just stopped fixing the place, we don't want
you here or.

Speaker 7 (54:54):
Yeah, because Wayne had told me about that can't probably
told you too about that trap per cabin that was
owned by some natives that were trapping doing a trap line,
and he said they had to abandon that cabin because
it kept getting attack so many times. He just abandoned
it and they wouldn't go back anymore.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
He was followed. He cut his head open. He had
to crash, crash.

Speaker 7 (55:16):
Yeah, well that was right, right, that was the story. Yeah,
we we interviewed him. I interviewed him again on that.
But I'm talking about the trapper cabin that got abandoned
by the natives up there yep, by snow. But then yeah,
he told his story where he crashed the plane. We're

(55:37):
on the topic or crashing planes. Crashed the plane. He
was bleeding quite bad. He had to get to the lake. Obviously,
they have to pick you up in a lake, so
he had to walk. Uh. I think he ditched in
the trees, so he had to walk to the lake.
But he said something followed him the whole way, like shaking.
Maybe you know what better than I do. You had

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a better memory night of Chris.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
No, no, you're doing perfect. That's exactly what he said.
He was followed the whole time. He was letting him
know that he was there, and then he just tucked
in and just braved it for the you know, he
was scared to death, he used other words. But yeah,
and this guy is a guy that ain't scared of nothing.
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 7 (56:17):
No.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
No, he's out there in the middle of the Canadian wilderness,
trapping in minus twenty degrees weather and loving it. Yeah,
this guy is.

Speaker 7 (56:25):
No, he's he's a true outdoorsman, that's for sure. And
it's and it's rare too. I mean, I have I
have a feeling most bush pilots and flobbling pilots have
seen something or had some experience or heard from their
people that go to these cabins of problems, but they

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don't want to talk about it because you know, you
don't want to get teased, right, But Wayne was. He
was totally forthright with us. He was like, yeah, Bigfoot,
he was totally on board, and he was like, yeah,
that's probably what it is.

Speaker 6 (57:03):
All right. So we were at the hour mark already,
and I got another show actress. So obviously the show
was called snow Girl Before a Monster quest. What is
the craziest cabin attack that you guys all had before
you ever filmed? When sasquatch attacks?

Speaker 7 (57:22):
I think it was the one where we thought it
was you know, you remember the one that we thought
it was you outside, yeah, urinating right outside my window,
off the edge of the porch, And it wasn't you.
And you know what happened because you heard it too.

Speaker 8 (57:39):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (57:39):
Why don't you tell that story?

Speaker 9 (57:42):
Well, you probably tell it better than me because I
was sleeping, But I remember this is what I remember.

Speaker 8 (57:49):
I remember that I was in a room with.

Speaker 9 (57:51):
With another guy and all of our gear was fishing
rods and rod cases and stuff were out on the
picn table in the the front steps there, and we
at that first night or that earlier that evening, we
had a few drinks, and so Doug thought that was

(58:12):
just going out and peeing, and he thought that.

Speaker 7 (58:16):
Should speak clear. I did not have any drinks, Joey did.

Speaker 8 (58:19):
I just had a couple of drinks. Yeah, and so.

Speaker 9 (58:25):
And then he heard this great, big thud, and he
thought that I had stumbled and fell, and so he
looked and didn't see anything, right, but you heard the sound.
And the guy that I was re bunked with, he
all he had to do was he was so mad
because all he had to do was look out the
window when he when that sound happened, and he could

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have seen.

Speaker 8 (58:46):
Whatever it was, but he didn't.

Speaker 9 (58:48):
And I was in bed, and that's when we found
that the rod cases had been thrown.

Speaker 8 (58:54):
And isn't it didn't you get a hair sample off
of that too?

Speaker 7 (58:57):
Yeah? Yeah, well you everybody was woke up except the
one guy that was on that.

Speaker 8 (59:03):
Futon, except for the except for the.

Speaker 7 (59:06):
One, everybody woke up. It was got It wasn't a thud,
Oh my god. It was a gum boom, you know,
a little gabbon shook like that, and uh I remember, like,
oh my god. Well, first the picnic do you remember
all having that picnic table? Is Chris? It was, and
we had a new one this last time because apparently

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that guy wrecked too. But the picnic table was up
there for years and it was made out of big
like hammered together screwed together two by sixes. It was
heavy duty. I couldn't even lift it, you know. It
took a couple of guys to even just slide it
a little week and that thing just went flying across
the porch, and I knew something was up there. That's

(59:49):
when I knew it wasn't you. And besides that, we
kept hearing the pean and and this thing is p
and and p and and pan, and it's loud, and
I'm like, you invent like looking at each other, going Dad,
ain't Joe, There's no way because you could just hear
it sound like a fountain coming down right in our spot.

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I think it was marking the other side of the territory, sure,
where we always pee. But it's right out my window.
I could have just opened my thing, and I didn't.
And so then the ticking table, then the big gaboom,
and then everybody got up. Poor light. He gotta watch
the whole.

Speaker 8 (01:00:27):
Thing, isn't Isn't that the same trip that we you
put a bunch of.

Speaker 7 (01:00:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's the same trip I put the bowl.
I took a bull cress stainless sta bowl, filled it
with all sorts of delectable foods. I wanted a non
electric trap, filled it with a bunch of food, and
then drilled a hole in the edge and put like
three pound monofilament, just really invisible, and ran it and

(01:00:56):
put it out. At first, I started putting it out
my window right, and then events like you're not doing that,
you're not moving that, you're not having that there. So
you nuts so that I had a moving out by
the dock, by the boardwalk. And then you were outside
with Blaine, and you guys started hearing trees crashing down.

(01:01:19):
So you guys, Blaine just ran. He just left you there,
and I ran and you ran and what did you do?
You what? No? No, no, no, you slipped and fell.

Speaker 8 (01:01:36):
I fell. We both ran into the cabin.

Speaker 7 (01:01:38):
I slipped, no, no, no. Blaine came in the cabin.
He left you out there alone, and we heard you fall.
It was a big slip. You tripped on a rock
because you both he just booked on you. He just
left you there.

Speaker 8 (01:01:52):
So we ultimately both got in the cabin.

Speaker 9 (01:01:55):
You were talking about what we saw, and then the
pitcher or whatever you had attached to that monophylmal well.

Speaker 7 (01:02:03):
I had a trap, a big loud trap. It just
took to the line.

Speaker 9 (01:02:07):
And it got moved, it got pulled off, and we
were everybody was in the cabin talking.

Speaker 7 (01:02:12):
It scared everybody in the cabin. Pulled the trap about
three feet and moved that bowl and then the trap
went off and nothing touched anything. Then thereafter it was
just like it scared you in see it soft. It
was a movie trap. Yeah, never touched it again. Not

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even a mouse touched that stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:02:37):
We couldn't believe that. Nothing got touched nothing.

Speaker 7 (01:02:40):
I mean nothing, cheese, cooked meat, fresh meat, eggs of
every type, cooked eggs, hard boiled eggs, we had fruit,
we had all I mean you put it in there
and it was a peanut butter. Nothing touched it after that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
I remember that the first time when we went up
there to yours ago. We had all that flower and
grease was all over the grills, all over everything. We
had stuff walking on everything. None of it was ever touched,
nothing was ever licked, nothing was ever pot at. There
was nothing never, nothing ever touched any of it.

Speaker 7 (01:03:14):
Yeah. Yeah, they would come up to the cabin when
you were up there. They would come up to the
cabin and kick that five gallon bucket off the or
just kick it to make that you know, that five
gallon bucket sound with the handle vibrates and everything, and
then all hell broke clues. They were doing all sorts
of crap. You heard them at the back of the cabin.

(01:03:35):
I'd fallen asleep, and you and Adam all heard him
go boom boom, boom boom boom down that joyce area
on the back of the cabin, which is what twelve
feet up in the air.

Speaker 9 (01:03:44):
Yeah, that's way up there.

Speaker 7 (01:03:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:03:47):
All right, Well We're going to open up a couple
questions then I'll let you guys get on with your night.
I just want to say thank you so much for
telling your stories. You know, it's a cool place. It's
not it's not right down the street, and it takes
you about three days to get there. And it's a beautiful,
beautiful place.

Speaker 7 (01:04:05):
Yeah. But if you if you want to go, anybody
can go there.

Speaker 6 (01:04:08):
Yeah. Yeah, well I can give you the name of
the outfit or everything. You guys can rest. Anybody can
go there.

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
So I did start a couple questions. Uh, Kaiju asked, uh,
has anything ever tried breaking into the cabin like before?

Speaker 7 (01:04:29):
No, I mean, just just when you know that time
after the cabin was attacked as when we Chuck would
never have told us about the cabin getting wrecked and attacked,
but I brought it up. I'm like, dude, the cabin
got attacked while we were in it last night. You know,
it was horrible. I said, they were lifting off the blocks,
they were throwing stuff at the roof and screaming and

(01:04:52):
blah blah blah blah, and Chuck goes, oh, yeah, She's
just like yeah, all right, yeah, he was, here's this
matter of fact about I'm like, how come here. I'm like,
I'm gnajita. I's like, why are you not shocked by this?
And he goes, oh, you didn't know. I'm like, no,
no what. He goes, oh yeah, this cavin gets wrecked.

(01:05:13):
And I'm like what and then he goes, yeah, the
last time they did this and this and this and
blah blah blah blah, and he said, yeah, we just
you know, we take insurance videos for the insurance company.
And I go, can you send that to me? And
he goes up. And then I asked about the nail
board that was, you know, exposed where our kids could

(01:05:33):
have fallen on it. That screwboard that was leaning up
the back of the cabin and he goes and then
he explains that whole deal and explains how they came
and there was blood everywhere and flash or whatever. And
so I said, okay, Jack, We're going to put that
in the shed and I'm going to come back with
some scientists. And that's what we did, and we want

(01:05:54):
to do with Jeff and Jeff Meldrum and Kurt and people.

Speaker 6 (01:06:00):
Yeah, we tried looking for that the first year we're
up there.

Speaker 7 (01:06:04):
Yeah. I wanted to bring it back and like donate
it to Cliff for his museum.

Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
And then last year they the green door, the famous
infamous green door was taken down because it was so
badly damage of them breaking in. Yeah, and we found
what we find in that.

Speaker 7 (01:06:21):
Yeah, we've found a hare And I filmed you I
think you collecting it. Yeah, And it was the wispy
hair tapered in Omadulla and uh, it's pretty well vetted hair.
I mean, you know, more the morphology matches what I
think I know about big here right.

Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
Yeah, No, And that was pretty exciting. And I took
a little couple of little pieces off that door for souvenirs.

Speaker 7 (01:06:47):
Oh you did, did you?

Speaker 6 (01:06:48):
I do?

Speaker 7 (01:06:49):
I didn't hear about that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
Yeah. I took a couple of little slivers off the
green door back with me.

Speaker 7 (01:06:55):
Proof you were there. I didn't know I did that,
did you, Joe?

Speaker 8 (01:06:58):
Oh? I didn't know.

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
Yeah, No, I get Well, two people that I knew
really wanted to go and wish they could have gone.
So I actually grabbed them for them and gave it
to them.

Speaker 7 (01:07:11):
Yeah. Butter knives. Oh yeah, that was just so it'd
make a little noise. And well we still used the
butter knives. Marion asked, did Doug see the big foot there? Well,
me and Joe both saw what could be a bigfoot,
but just tall, blurry things behind across that little bay
walker bind trees. Oh did you did you download that

(01:07:33):
footage that maybe from up at snow with that bigfoot? Chris?

Speaker 6 (01:07:37):
Oh, I didn't. I didn't get it from the No,
I didn't load it. I didn't have time today wife
at the airport.

Speaker 7 (01:07:44):
Oh okay, but we found a piece of footage. We
believe it is snow Grove, and we believe it's a bigfoot,
and it looks pretty damn anthetic.

Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
I really I will actually get it and I will
load it up for next time. I a couple of weeks.

Speaker 7 (01:07:58):
It's past all of my analysis, my quick analysis that
I did. I took like six hours and did a
lot of stuff to it, frame by frame and enlarging
and hand scene and it looks like the real deal.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
And it looks like it's at snow Grove. I know, yep,
I know you do. Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:08:22):
And it's a fisherman that took the footage and he
was just he just saw it there. Yeah, he was
actually trying to he was calling on a satphone to
his wife or some damn thing out in the boat,
which is a great place to call with the SAT
phone if you have one.

Speaker 6 (01:08:37):
And those boat and wooden wooden wooden power boats.

Speaker 7 (01:08:41):
So it's crazy anyhow, all.

Speaker 6 (01:08:46):
Right, let's see if we got.

Speaker 7 (01:08:47):
Hurry Joe's it's getting dark on Joe.

Speaker 6 (01:08:50):
We're losing Joe here, I can't see. I got definitely
one of the big questions of the hour, how is
Legend Meat Science to going? Come?

Speaker 7 (01:09:00):
I got asked that every day it's going I mean,
I work on it every day and then we have
another we have.

Speaker 6 (01:09:05):
A big looking forward to it. Just coming along.

Speaker 7 (01:09:08):
We have a big shoot the end of August. These
are very when I say big shoot, they're really expensive.
Like they're like twenty almost twenty grand, fifteen twenty grand.
We have to spend for the travel and the airfare
and the you know, the food and you know and
then all the you know, rental equipment and the labor.

(01:09:29):
So yeah, it's a big shoot. It's not like me
out with a little camera. This is with the big
eight K camera and uhmo, yeah, yeah, I think it's
a monstral cameras.

Speaker 6 (01:09:45):
I'm excited. I know what's coming. Everybody, and let me
get it.

Speaker 7 (01:09:48):
Yeah, like, yeah, you know, it's sources of working. I
would love to get just rush it and get it done,
but I try to explain people I don't want to
rush it. Now we've got finally have access to what
I think me the best DNA sequence ever ever in history.
It's really amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:10:08):
I don't want to Yeah, it was a great, great idea.

Speaker 7 (01:10:12):
And I am working on that with various labs, so
so hopefully soon I'm hoping we're hoping to get you know,
maybe at the very least part one will be out
this fall in September, and then part two would follow
shortly after, or we'll just release them both so we'll

(01:10:33):
see awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
I can't wait. Yeah, she sends your hearts for answering.

Speaker 7 (01:10:38):
Yeah, and Joey, I'm gonna Joey hopefully won't lose all
the release forms this time. That's a story. Oh my god,
lets you mean science one. Yeah, it'll make it real
quick and then we maybe we can go. But I
I remember Joe picking up the big release book me

(01:11:00):
because we take it out and shoots. It's all the
release forums and location releases, and the show is going
to air and Discovery Channel I requested it. It's called deliverables,
and so Joe was responsible for all the deliverables. I
remember Joe picking it up. Then all of a sudden
the book was gone, and Joe blamed me, and I
blame Joe, and to this day we've never found it.

(01:11:22):
We had to get everybody to do it, all everything,
all this big thick binder. We had to re duplicate everything,
just in the nicked time before it went on the air.

Speaker 8 (01:11:32):
Everything.

Speaker 6 (01:11:34):
I bet you I know where it is in that
warehouse underneath the cat food.

Speaker 7 (01:11:38):
Oh, it's somewhere somewhere it just I keep waiting someday
it's going to pop up.

Speaker 8 (01:11:44):
But it hasn't.

Speaker 7 (01:11:45):
How do you went into the deep hole? You know,
into that matrix thing? It It was almost as if
the universe was trying to stop us from airing that,
because they wouldn't have aired it had we had not
you know, given them them all the deliverables.

Speaker 8 (01:12:01):
But we were, we were diligent. We got it done.

Speaker 7 (01:12:03):
No, Joey was so I definitely owe you on that.
I still blame you for getting us into the mess,
but you got us out. We've been arguing about this
for twenty twenty years.

Speaker 6 (01:12:14):
Well it's good that you guys can laugh about it,
and that's the best part instead.

Speaker 7 (01:12:18):
Of you know, yeah, yeah we do. Yeah, we're still laughing.

Speaker 6 (01:12:23):
It's a pleasure if I've gotten to beat both you
and become friends. And you guys are great people. So oh,
we had.

Speaker 7 (01:12:32):
Fun and I don't think ever was there more intense
Uh non, Nobody joked around. I don't think any topic
ever came up ever except Bigfoot when we're at that cabin.

Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
No, it was all Bigfoot.

Speaker 8 (01:12:48):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:12:51):
One beer is cracked. Nothing, it's just solid, just thinking, working,
talking about you know, the you know the topic.

Speaker 6 (01:13:00):
Yeah, it was a great I can't wait to do
it again.

Speaker 7 (01:13:04):
Yeah. So, and that's that's a god's truth. I mean,
you don't even miss it. You just you know, we
don't joke around, we don't do anything. We just talked back.
But this is where we've got all this equipment up
there and we're trying to figure out the best way
to do this and do that, do this, and so
the section on Snell Grove will be really fantastic and

(01:13:24):
legimate science too. I can guarantee you will enjoy it.

Speaker 6 (01:13:29):
I'm looking forward to it. And like I tell, I've
been telling everybody for weeks now, this is gonna be
something that's never come out before. Nobody's ever done this,
nobody's ever seen anything like this, nobody's compiled the data
and the evidence that's coming soon to everybody ever. I mean,
it's huge. So it's worth the wait, everybody, It's gonna

(01:13:50):
be worth the wait. So it was a great group
of guys.

Speaker 7 (01:13:55):
Yeah yeah, Well but did the trip twice. I don't
think he'd done it twice if he didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:13:59):
Like kid, he's going to go back with us again,
so he's.

Speaker 7 (01:14:03):
In all right. Well, I'm in whatever we're in.

Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
Joe's in. I talked to Joe.

Speaker 7 (01:14:09):
So oh, Joe's I was in.

Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
He all always do it, and so we we got
room for one guy. Yeah, got room for one guy.
I can never fill that spot.

Speaker 7 (01:14:20):
No, I can't fill the fifth, the sixth spot. It
might be bad luck. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:14:24):
But anyways, all right, well, thank you guys so much.
I'm gonna let you guys get on with your night.
And night to everybody and for sharing your stories. This
was a great, great show. I'm glad you guys did it.

Speaker 7 (01:14:36):
I had.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
It was a great time. I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:14:40):
And Joe, we're gonna go fishing on Thursday Thursday, not
this Thursday, next Thursday.

Speaker 8 (01:14:47):
Yepans where you go.

Speaker 7 (01:14:51):
Secret spot. It's not so grow don't worry about it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:54):
Oh, I know that. I was just what are you
going for?

Speaker 7 (01:14:57):
We're gonna go for bass nice.

Speaker 6 (01:15:00):
Yeah, I just got a nice new best ride and
real here if I just bought a kayak and so
oh cool a little kayak fishing while I'm out there.

Speaker 7 (01:15:09):
Yeah, that's that's total freedom, total freedom going in inch water.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:15):
It's so nice.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
Yeah, but but I do I do want to thank yeah,
everybody the chat here. Time time goes by so quick.

Speaker 6 (01:15:25):
Yeah, yeah, sure it does, all right, and I'll seek
and I'll you guys later, Ladies, mister Doug Hicheck and
Joe Rishella. All right, all right, all right, what a great,

(01:15:48):
great show. I want to say thank you once again
for everybody in the chat room for keeping it cool
and all the moderators. I love you guys. You guys
do a great job. You're the best in the business.
I am off next week because I am on call.
But hey, Thursday night this week there is a brand
new show coming tow Untold. It's called Squatching Holler. Uh,

(01:16:10):
Coombo Baker is going to be on it. Mister Mark
Green going to be on it. No, not Mark Green.
To me, I lost his name and I know him.
He's a good friend. I got to look it up.

Speaker 12 (01:16:24):
I'm sorry, everybody, I can't believe I believe the name.
Why would I say?

Speaker 6 (01:16:35):
I can never remember Mark Green's number. But anyways, you
guys will you guys will see it. I'm sorry. I
apologize for that. But uh, mister Koombo Baker will be
on the show. You guys know, Squatching Holler is going
to be a great addition to the untold Rego. Rogers
such a great host and the ladies that are along
with him. So make sure you tune in on Thursday night,

(01:16:56):
leave at seven o'clock. Uh so, and then I have
in two weeks coming up. I'm all discombobulated because I
she never forgot that name, but it's right to tip.
I have Miss Nicole Shavannah Tony, I believe that's how

(01:17:19):
you say it. And she is from Full Moon Paranormal.
We are going back into the paranormal range. We're going
back to ghosts and goblins, creatures of the night that
float around through walls. And uh, She's gonna be a
great guest. They have a great approach. They raise funds
for local historical sites when they do their investigations, so
I'm looking forward to having her here. She's also uh

(01:17:43):
a co host of the YouTube series Alien eight UK,
another great show. So that's in two weeks. Rogers is
on Thursday night. And also, if you're ever on Etsy,
Snappy Turtle, he's not a sponsor, he's not nothing. I
ordered some stickers from him. He's a great guy. He

(01:18:03):
wrote me a message, he says, I watch your show.
So I wore him back and said, I'll just well,
you don't tell everybody about your thing, So snappy Turtle antsy,
he's not a sponsor. He didn't give me any free stuff.
It's just just a nice guy complimenting the show. So
that's all I got. So, as my friend Larry says,

(01:18:26):
get in the woods, people.

Speaker 7 (01:18:47):
Best to sleep.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
World could be dead? Is this something that half time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
To think that it was gone? I can be a
mass I don't so far.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
What's in a wild? I get tired of talking. I'm
good on the smile. Let my alter ego.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Wherever go.

Speaker 5 (01:19:53):
These days will show.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
The sid.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
How can I be on stream mouself?

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
I explain so much scre