Real American Monsters #13 The Kettle Connection/Finding Jay 3

🚨 Tune in tonight, September 9, 2025, at 8 PM EST! 🚨
Join us on The Untold Radio Network's Real American Monsters as we welcome special guest Jay Bachochin.
Jay, a dedicated family man from Wisconsin, has been on a solo quest since 2013, tirelessly searching for the Wisconsin Sasquatch in the southeastern part of the state.
He's a featured investigator on the Travel Channel's 'In Search of Monsters' and appeared in the Small Town Monsters film, 'The Bray Road Beast.' Jay has also produced three of his own incredible documentaries detailing his research:
• 'Finding Jay' (2019)
• 'Beyond the Kettle: Finding Jay 2' (2022)
• His brand new, just-released film, 'The Kettle Connection: Finding Jay 3'
Don't miss this deep dive into the hunt for one of America's most elusive creatures!
https://www.jaybachochin.com/store-2/...
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Totts expands, big footstopping through woods, sout of shadow.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Nain no good, my man lurking in the night. I've
got to buy a burden. Bte some man howl in

(01:48):
that floor, shadow.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Creeping bringing through. Sn't buy a first for please, Welcome to.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
The Eye, Welcome to Real American Monsters.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Hello, Hello, my friends, and monster Land. Tuesday night, once
again on the Untold Radio Network's Real American Monsters, and
we are back in control. We are back in the
helm for the next hour or so. And do we
have another great guest for you tonight from Finding Jay one,
two and three fame. Also, he's been on the Travel

(03:03):
Channel Small Town Monsters, searching at the Kettlemill Rain in
Wisconsin where he does all his research. Mister j. Pachochin
is with us tonight. He's been on the show every
documentary and now he's got number three out and we've
brought him back for another Father another night. So I'm
looking excited to talk to our friend Jay, and I'm

(03:25):
very excited. So let's say hello to everybody that's come
tuning in. Hello, all about the squatch Father himself. Alfred
Santa Rica's with us, Miss Diane Fowler, Patrick Nobel, Good evening, sir,
of course, Blue Eyed Northern's with us. Miss Kenny Hess
is with us. Good evening, Sir. Francesca, of course is

(03:46):
with us. Hello Francesca, your book will be in the
mail soon. I keep forgetting to hit to the post office,
but it is. And tonight, folks, we are going to
give away an autographed copy of Finding Jay three Kettle
Connection and he's going to sign it live on air
and address it to whoever wins it. So that's that's

(04:07):
a little exciting. Be off buds with us. Hello, be
of Bud.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
We again.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
We have a big expedition coming up in Alabama and
everybody that's basically in this chat room is going to
be there following up, not this weekend, but the next week,
the following weekend. It all starts mister Mike Morgan from Texas.
Hello Mike. So everybody's pouring in to see our friend
from the Kettle Moraine, and it's going to be a
great show. And so that's enough for me. Oh and

(04:35):
we also have a surprise guest about eight thirty was
going to come on and tell you that a special
thing that he has done and being so kind and
releasing something for the public that you can all go
and you can all go and take care and download
it yourself. So he'll be around about eight thirty. But anyways,

(04:56):
let's get on with the show. Let's bring out our
guest from the Kettle Moraine, mister Jay.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
But please please no applause please. How is it going, Chris?
How you doing tonight?

Speaker 5 (05:20):
I'm doing well. Thank you so much for taking time.
I know it's Tuesday night and the week has just
started and it's tough for people to you know, get
out of work and sit down and you know, kind
of focus. But I really appreciate it. The people in
the chat room appreciate it, and everybody listen really appreciate it.
So I just want to say a big thank you
before we start on that end of things.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
Yes, I do want to make a special shout out.
I see that Kim Hoolek is out there in the
chat joining. Kim is one of my one of my research,
very great friend, and I'm glad she's out there tuning
in and supporting and I appreciate it. Also, see Big
L's out there and a few others that I've seen

(06:04):
out there. Diane Patrick. Yeah, okay, I just wanted to
I'm kind of seeing the chat on the side. I
don't really interact with the chat, but I can see it.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
Yeah. Well, here on this show, we like to interact
with the chat. The chat room's great. They all have
their own personalities. We got to meet everybody. They're all
friends now, They're all loved and trusted friends, and I
love to see them all. We love to see new people.
So welcome, Kim and dive right in there, because there's
a bunch of great people in there, and you will
not you will not be let down by this chat,

(06:34):
that's for sure.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
Oh okay, Yeah, I guess I missed Sherry's in there too.
I didn't see her in the chat, but could be
under a different name. But I'm glad everybody is here
to support I truly appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Okay, all right, Well, so finding J one, fighting J two,
and now you're on final J three, The Kettle Connect.
We talked a little bit beforehand, and the way I
see it is like any other you know, person that's
out in the field as much as you are, and
everybody else that spends a lot of time in the field,
things progress. It's a progression. It's not it's not an investigation.

(07:11):
It's more like a progression of like you like how
you put it, your own truth. You have to find
your own truth, your own path before you get started.
Do you want to tell everybody how you started on
your own truth? Give everybody just a little bio about
yourself and how how you started on your your your
own truth path?

Speaker 6 (07:31):
Please? All right? Well it was back in nineteen sixty seven. No,
I won't go that far back. But I've always I've
always been interested in the weird and the bizarre, you know,
even as a kid. You know, I remember my friends
will be out, you know, during summertime, playing softball or
bike riding, and I'd be in the basement waiting for

(07:52):
the next Godzilla or Frankenstein movie to come on. So
that's kind of a noddball kid that way. But I've
always been interested in the UFOs because my grandfather was
in the early chapters of move On in Chicago, and
I've seen my family we had a kind of a
mass family sighting back in the late seventies as well.

(08:14):
So that always put me on my path of just
being intrigued, and I believe trying to find my truth
back then, because who wouldn't write You have a sighting,
you see something you encounter, you're the observer, you want
to see it. Pretty much. That's how my life's kind
of got gone along. And it was the mid two thousands.

(08:37):
Actually it was during our mind and my wife's honeymoon
out on the East Coast. I did see that they
were offering We're actually in Salem and they were offering
ghost tours, and I'm like, that might be something fun
to do because I always thought, you know, ghost Hunters,
that was the first paranormal show that was a reality show,

(08:58):
and I really wanted to believe, but at the same time,
I always thought, it's TV, it's for ratings. So I
wanted to get out there and you know, see it
for myself firsthand. And that's when I first started truth seeking.
Would probably be in about two thousand and seven doing
paranormal investigating. And you know, I live in Wisconsin and

(09:20):
I'm just a hop skipping a jump literally, you know,
fifteen minute drive away from Bray Road, the infamous Beast
of Bray Road that area, So I thought, why not
just kind of travel down those areas and just kind
of patrol the area never big you know, I even
even mentioned Bigfoot right because Bigfoot was never on my radar.
I believe in UFO's ghost, locknest Monster, you know, some

(09:45):
of these other things that were out there. But at
the same time, I always thought Bigfoot was almost I
almost wanted to say, a hoax or urban legend, and
I never really paid much attention to that. So while
doing some legend tripping, I call it up on Bray Road.

(10:06):
We ended up in the Kettle Moraine back in twenty thirteen,
and that is when I've heard my first call of
something I couldn't identify out there. There's four of us
out there. I remember that beautiful October evening and it
kind of made me scratch my head a little bit
on that because I could not identify it, we didn't

(10:28):
jump to conclusions. We tried to look at all the
indigenous animals and birds, whether nocturnal or during the day
in Wisconsin. Couldn't find any match, and there is a
lot of soundboard to go by. That was enough to
catapult me back to that area over and over and

(10:49):
over again. And I've had so many different encounters since then,
but that's where I wanted to find out what that
truth was, and that all starts in my first documentary,
Finding Jay. And there's just so much to tell. That's
why I came out with a part two. I wasn't
expecting this to be like, you know, Rocky five or

(11:09):
Rocky six or anything like that, to keep pushing it
that way, but there is so much to tell because
there's so much going on. And that's pretty much where
I'm at today.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
So you're a family man. You know, You've got a
beautiful family, and you work a full time job. Making
documentaries takes up a little bit of the rest of
the time that you have. I mean, it takes more
time because you're working into the night. You're working. Did
you enjoy making these the documentaries? Was that something you

(11:43):
enjoyed doing was or was it you know or did
it become at one point did it come like, I
don't know, a load bearer on your trying to finish
things or did you just enjoy the whole process?

Speaker 6 (11:54):
You know, I've I've always enjoyed the process of doing editing,
but it it's also therapeutic going through some of the
footage that you really didn't look at at one point.
There's a lot of times when people go out, whether
it was ghost hunting, if something happened at that point,

(12:15):
people would love to go back and review that point,
but it's all that missing time that you're recording you
really don't pay much attention to because nothing really happened.
So when I'm making my films, I'm a storytellers. That's
it's kind of my gift. Sometimes people need to shut
me up a little bit, and so when I'm doing this,

(12:37):
I really do enjoy it. And like any author or
anybody in film, when you start putting it out there,
now you're starting to put deadlines, then the deadlines kind
of get to you because you know, after you're working
on this, this film here the Kennel connection finding J
three was it's about have been a year and a

(12:57):
half in the making, and that's either within interviews or
going back. It's not so much that I'm going out
there with cameras are rolling and I'm going to film
everything I'm doing. I've got body cam footage, I've got audio,
I take a testimonial, or I just get lucky with
capturing things that I wasn't even trying for. So definitely

(13:21):
doing these has it's been rewarding to me. And when
it's done, you know you kind of made that comment.
You know, it's like I looked a little tired. Well
I'm still, you know, got a little bit of after
creating and releasing hangover a little bit because I've been
putting so much into it that now I don't know
what to.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
Do with myself, right, all right, So speaking of feeling
it and feeling what he does, and you know he
does a great job of the editing he doesn't. And
we're gonna play the trailer right now for the new,
for the new, the Kettle Connection finding J three. We're
gonna play it live for you guys, all right now,

(13:58):
So strapping, and here we go.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
I set out looking for Bigfoot, chasing footprints, wood knocks,
and shadows in the trees. But somewhere along the path

(14:56):
the search began to change me. I stopped looking for
something and started listening. The woods began to speak, not
in words, but in moments, in science, in silence. I

(15:25):
came here searching for a legend, but instead found a
living world full of wonder and wisdom. This isn't just

(16:08):
about Bigfoot anymore. It's about the connection to the forest,
to the past and to something greater than ourselves.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Wow, now you can feel that. I know exactly what
you're talking about. And I think most of the people
that are in the chatroom know what you're talking about
because we have a very very imbalanced in touch with
nature chat room. And I could feel that, Jay, and
I I really, I mean I could feel it. And

(17:19):
I haven't had the pleasure. I haven't seen the pleasure.
I was looking. It wasn't not on an Amazon yet,
so I have to get myself a copy to watch
the new one. I've watched the other ones before you
came on, and I have to say it and get
a chance to watch this one. But I am looking
so forward to it.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
Oh good, I think you'll definitely be happy with that.
I like to say, I hope people are, because this
was one of the hardest out of the three films
that I put out, one of the hardest films I
put out. Because of that, it's I've kind of evolved

(17:55):
into the person I would have made fun of five
years ago, and to me, that is that's hard. It's
it's hard, but it's it's it's finding my truth. It's
not going out and trying to prove to people what
I'm experiencing out there. I'm going to share with you
what I have. I don't want to say even captured.

(18:18):
I'm gonna go out there and share with you what
I've experienced, even that stuff that hasn't been caught on film.
And I think that's going to be the main point
to this film for sure.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
What would you tell yourself five years ago from today?
What would you tell yourself five years ago if you
were just starting off and you've experienced everything you went
and this guy comes up to you, this young Jabachochin,
and he comes up to you and say, hey man,
you've been out in the Kelmarraine for you know, five years.
I got myself a camera. I'm gonna go get a
picture of big Foot and I'm gonna be world famous.

(18:50):
And you know how hard is it to catch a
monkey in a tree?

Speaker 6 (18:53):
Right? Exactly? That person? Yeah, that was kind of my
perception a little bit, because we're all influenced by what
we see, whether whether it's on TV, YouTube, the different
speakers that are out there that that know it all.
And I don't mean I'm not putting anybody down about it,

(19:15):
because they're they're very much convicted and what their truth is.
So I do I respect that. So five years ago,
definitely I would have been something like, you know what, no,
I mean, this is not it's not a ghost, it's
not an alien. It's a flesh and blood primate we
haven't caught up with yet. And so this guy here,

(19:36):
who's now, you know, talking to trees or just being
kind of one with the woods, I would have thought,
all right, next thing, you know, he's going to be,
you know, picking up a flute and dancing around a
tree or something. And I don't want to say they
dance around the tree. I have danced out there, though
I think Kivin sure he can contest for that. But

(19:58):
I definitely would have looked at at the younger me
would have looked at that saying, you know, at this,
this guy's a little bit he's kind of out there,
and now I look at it. Now. If I was
talking to a younger one as well, I would have said,
just wait, you know it's coming. The evolution will happen.
You will evolve, and you will you will you will find,

(20:22):
you will find what your truth that you're seeking for,
and only you're going to find that that's what I would.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
Say the path, the path you know, less taken, is
obviously what we're taking, and it's not looked up. Why
do you think it is that the people that get
stuck in that that same old, same old routine and
there's nothing against and they can do whatever they want. Again,
this is our journey, this is a personal journey. You

(20:52):
can do whatever way. Well, why do you think that
once we take the path, the path less traveled, it
seems that progression happens in a in a quicker fashion,
you experience more of the People call it weird, but
it's not really weird. It's been part of nature for
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years and we've lost

(21:14):
touch with it. Why do you think there was the
difference between that with you know, staying just to the
flesh and blood world and just you know, and they're
not experiencing it, as they say, they don't experience any
of it, which I don't I personally believe it. But
why do you think that is? Why do you think
that if you take this journey and you start getting

(21:35):
yourself in touch with what's going on in the forest,
why why do things progress seem to progress a little
bit quicker and you're experiencing you know, the things that
we are.

Speaker 6 (21:46):
You know. The only way I can really answer that
is I believe everybody is in a different spiritual place
in their life, and I'm one of those that doesn't.
Is not you know, not ashamed acquired that you know,
I'm a Jesus follower. You know, my heart and soul
belong to the Lord, you know, Jesus Christ, and that's

(22:08):
me and that would be me also reading his word.
Now with that, that is a spiritual growth that I
have internally that I'm also learning all the time about
that all things are are possible, great or small, everything

(22:30):
that has been created. This is my truth, this is
my faith, and with that that helps me to evolve
with that. In the past, I would say Bigfoot was
flesh and blood. I mean today I would say it's
flesh and blood, but more on a supernatural level than

(22:53):
something that we understand, because I always say, you know,
Jesus was supernatural, right, this is really what I believe.
So if I think all things are possible with Christ,
I'm also going to look at this and say all
things are possible in our reality that we don't understand.
So I think a lot of people may not be

(23:14):
at that level in their spirituality, they may not have
it at all, but some are going to be more
to where they're a little bit more open to the
different possibilities. So I guess that's kind of where I
just keep evolving. I mean, talk to me in five
years and we'll see where we're at here. It's you know,

(23:35):
it's just it's been that amazing spiritual growth and you know,
learning more of the ways of the Native Americans through
Kim it has been such an eye opener in so
much where I'm more involved in the nature part of it,
of being out there. I mean before it was strictly

(23:56):
we're going to go out, We're going to go out
and look for Bigfoot. Now I can't even tell you
what the living Woods is anymore. I don't know if
it's one entity, and Bigfoot is just a part of
this whole piece that's out there. And that's what I'm
trying to do. I am not trying to go out

(24:17):
and film the holy grail of a Bigfoot. I am
out there just to just to keep growing within myself
with my own spirituality, learning the Native American ways, and
just keep growing with that.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Yeah, I loved how you said. You listen now, and
a lot of people don't take the time to just
go out in the forest and sit. More things happen
when you just go out there and sit, let the
forest come to you, let these guys come to you.
And I'll share a little bit, just really quickly. We're
filming a documentary here and when this is our first

(24:53):
go at it, and and we're just saying out in
the forest the other night, you know, just nice and
quiet and calm and cool. And we had a knock
probably thirty feet in back of us, and we captured
like once in a lifetime, unreal vocals, Like unreal vocals

(25:17):
been up. But we didn't go out and we weren't
knocking on trees, and we weren't forcing the issue. We
just let things happen and we were listening. So that's
that's how I relate to what you're saying. If a
lot of people can do that, to sit back and
just listen while they're in the forest, I think they'll
they'll go a little bit. I mean my own opinion,

(25:37):
And either you can try it or you don't want
to try it, but I think it works.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
Yeah, No one hundred percent agree with you on it,
because I felt that the more hiking we were doing,
the less opportunities we were having to do this. I
mean again, finding Jay came out. I wasn't trying to
be narcissistic saying, hey, it's my film and we call
it Finding Jay. It was just it was a play
off Finding Bigfoot. But from a Bigfoot's perspective, you know,

(26:05):
it could be finding Bigfoot's going to find me, find Jay,
It's going to find Chris. And that's when I felt
that it was time to just exactly sit and observe.
The whole journey isn't about just capturing or experiencing. It
is going out. The journey is even just driving out there.

(26:29):
You know, different people will go out with just to
get out there with friends and to just be able
to be in nature and just sit there and observe
and let it come to you. Sometimes it does, sometimes
it doesn't. You really don't know what it is. But
I agree. I think when you go in with the
non aggressive cameras a blazing, this is what you're going

(26:52):
to do. Accept more talking to the woods. I mean literally,
I will talk to the woods every once in a while,
I'll hear the RECs and possums laugh at me, snicker
and go behind the tree. But most of the times
I am I am trying to be open to that
and say, hey, we're here, right here, and for as

(27:13):
long as we're going to be here, feel free to
you know, to come up, and I know when we're
really quiet. Every once in a while, there's been a
time where I caught out a buck go by just
the pitch dark and snort, where you didn't really even
hear the buck come in. And you might bring in
different natural animals for that. But at the same time,

(27:36):
we get a lot of I want to say, odd
things that don't sound like you can hear them walking
up to you, but then they're right there and it
is it's we may we don't really have a lot
of vocals per se in the kettle. I have captured
a couple, but I also believe that you know, there's
a lot of inhabited places around there, so I'm imagine

(28:01):
that they're a little bit more maybe not as vocal,
depending on the area. Don't know. This is just my
thoughts on that, but it's uh, it's exactly what you
were saying. Let him come to you. Don't don't miss
that opportunity, right right.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
All right, Well, we're going to dive deep into the
kettle to straining Jay three the connection. But we got
a friend in the audience, so he's going to come
in real quick. He's got something to share with everybody.
He's got a special gift that he wants to give everybody. So,
ladies and gentlemen, mister M. K. Davis is with us.

Speaker 6 (28:35):
Well, Hello, Hello, how are you Jay? How are you sir?
How are you doing good? How are you doing tonight?

Speaker 7 (28:47):
Well, I'm okay. I've got something a little special going on.
I've been giving this away and it's I think it's
kind of important.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (28:56):
This is the only frame from the Patterson film that
is in the public domain, and it is I got
this copy directly from Miss Patterson herself, went and had
its scanned there in Yakima, Washington, and I think that,

(29:19):
you know, it would be beneficial for it to have
a wider distribution and this frame, I would like for
it to become the standard for what that represents the film,
even though the film has lots of copies that are inferior.

(29:42):
This came off the original and if a person wants
to know exactly how the original originally looked, they can
use this frame as a kind of a measure for that.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
Let me just let's see if it'll do it.

Speaker 7 (30:02):
All right, there's the link, and I put it in
the chat studio chat, and anybody can just click on
that link, go there and download it's about it's about
a fifty meg.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
You got you got? You can't put in the studio
check because that's just for us. You got to put
it in the regular chat room.

Speaker 7 (30:24):
Oh I thought that was no.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
Yeah, okay, the regular chat all right, Okay, it's strange
now seen you in the man cave.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
Yeah, it's strange not being in the man cave. I'm
quite a ways away from there. Yeah, let me see
how do I get to.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
It should be right out the comments it says supposed
to comment.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
Okay, I got to get out of the studio, and
I see y'all too in the studio, but I don't
see any other.

Speaker 6 (31:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
No, well maybe you have to go into general population.
So maybe you have to get out of here and
then just join the show and then put it in
it like, do it that way?

Speaker 7 (31:18):
That may be possible, Okay.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
And if not just send it to me after the
show and I'll post it for everybody to get. But
you could also MK just put a video on in
his channel and you can go. And he left it
in the comments section on his channel explains everywhere where
it came from and how you guys can get it.
And it's an amazing, amazing copy. You can actually see
Patty's teeth if you actually have the you know, you

(31:42):
can zoom in and I actually see your teeth. It's
not like the the Renade version. There's two versions. Before
you go, you just want to tell everybody about the
two versions and then we'll get back to j.

Speaker 7 (31:57):
Yeah, there's one frame three f two that's not copyrighted.
It's in the public domain. That's this one, and then
there's another one that's not in the public domain. Is
what they did were they weren't making any money off
of this. This is the most famous frame from the film,

(32:18):
and they weren't making any money because it was in
the public domain, and so what they did was to
take it and altered it and then had the altered
version copyrighted, but it no longer represented the film. So
there's two frame three fifty two's out there. The one

(32:40):
that's copyright it has they drew in fingers. It had
a closed fist like this. On the right hand, they
drew in fingers extended like that, and then they airbrushed
the face and the mouth. So that one right there

(33:02):
is it's copyrighted, but it's it's scientifically worthless. The one
that I'm putting up here is directly off of four
by five transparency that I got from Ms Patterson. She
drove down there to photo house with me and she

(33:27):
drops me off. She says, I'll be back to pick
you up, and she goes to do errands.

Speaker 6 (33:40):
And I.

Speaker 7 (33:42):
Really appreciated her confidence in me, and I had that
those transparencies put in new sleeves, new plastic sleeves, which
I have. The old sleeves. They some of them were
torn and split and at turn collar. But what they

(34:07):
what they did have was a little bit of writing
from Roger Patterson, so it was worth that. I didn't
want to throw them away. Uh So this frame right
here is is it's the film itself, in my opinion,

(34:27):
was mishandled, and it's easy to have that happen. They
didn't take care of the chain of possession in other words,
But when they came out with it, they made copies
and gave this copy to this person, that one, to
that one, that one, and it just they lost track
of who had what. By going back to miss Patterson

(34:51):
and getting this right off the four by five transparency, uh,
you go right back to the original the camera that
was in the camera, I mean, the film that was
in the camera running at that time. So that's a
good place to start. It's there's not anything wrong with

(35:14):
anybody owning this, and it's a great standard for reference
as far as what that original film was about what
it looked like.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
All right, all right, well, thank you MKA. I'm sure
everybody's going to appreciate a copy of that for sure.
And it is. The quality is clear as a bell.
I mean, you guys are never you're never going to
see it like this until today.

Speaker 7 (35:41):
So yeah, it's a about a fifty meg. It may
be fifty one megs.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
All right, my friend, thank you for sharing seeing it, yes,
and we'll get you on if you don't. If you
don't get it in the comments section, just let me
know and then I'll post it after the show. Okay,
all right, thank you, appreciate you I'm talking to you tomorrow,
all right. All right, Well, that's that's some pretty good

(36:12):
news right there in my book. That's unbelievable. Copy. If
you go after and you can you can actually, if
you zoom in, you could. You're a you're a you're
a film guy. You know, you can see her teeth,
like literally see her teeth.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
It's uh, I'm definitely gonna take a look for it
after the show for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
So let's now, let's go. So you finding J one
rock throws. You know, you're in the forest, you're experiencing
you know, the weird you know if rock throws are
weird when you first start. The second one comes around.
Now the now things start to get a little strange.
You know, you're catching people with with lanterns out in
the forest and this is and now you come to
the kettle connection. What is the difference between each each

(36:52):
one the other than what I just said, how how
do you know? How did it progress? And what's what
what to look for? And finding J three?

Speaker 6 (37:00):
Yeah, Well, people that have seen the three of my
films pretty much said the same thing. It's kind of
like Part one kind of leads you up to the
door and Part two shoves you through the door, and
Part three is where you are on the other side
and you understand why you were just shoved through the door.

(37:22):
The best way to put that is only because those
are my experiences. It's what I've gone through. It's the
only way I can convey to people when I talk
to them about it. Sometimes I can step outside myself,
thinking this guy is crazy, but it's really happening out there.
So it's like the part two was kind of trying

(37:45):
to put the lights and Bigfoot as a possible connection
out there, but again I'm missing the bigger point, which
was the whole living woods instead of just focusing just
on you know, a Bigfoot or a UFO type of
light or something like that out there in part two.

(38:07):
So Part three is kind of the grander. Okay, now
I can see what I'm in. Now I'm trying to
understand that. So it's kind of just basically going from
trying to understand what Bigfoo was, trying to understand what
these lights were, you know, aliens, ghoes, whatever, and uh
three in three of just being able to open up

(38:30):
as the elder skip that I that I spoke to
two years ago, you know, rest in peace, skip on that,
because he did pass on after that, but he told
me that I was I was just trying to get
some answers from a Native American perspective here and definitely

(38:52):
a Wisconsin for that reason. And I just remember him
stopping telling me that I was in my sunrise. I
didn't know what that meant, and it was basically just
becoming more aware and with more knowledge of what I'm

(39:14):
actually doing. Again, they kind of speak in riddles a
little bit because I wanted some answers and you'll see
in the film about finding these feathers. And when I
asked him about that, he said, ah, that's something for
you to figure out. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no,
I need answers now. But now I understand what he

(39:36):
meant and it has just grown since then. So definitely
the third film is going to be. And like I said,
it was kind of a hard film for me to
put out because I'm not just putting out you know,
captured evidence or interviews with some people or testimonials. I'm

(39:57):
kind of putting myself out there now saying this is
who Jay is now today. Who knows what's going to happen?
Tomorrow or in five years from now. But you know,
being in this, being in nature and putting this film
together is one of my I feel like it was
one of my greater achievements out of the three films,

(40:20):
because as a filmmaker too, you always, you know, set
a bar a little bit higher, a little bit higher.
But with this one, the way the story came together
was for a purpose, and I'm hoping that when people
do watch this that they do understand that they need
to find their truth. You don't listen to Jay seriously,

(40:45):
now I'm telling you, don't listen to my documentary. Now
you could take that for what it is. Just don't
buy that. Go out and become the observer, somebody who's
going to be an experiencer, and that'll set you on
your path of seeking knowledge. And again you can apply
that not just in the woods, in everyday life and

(41:06):
everything that you do. I always say, you know, truth matters,
question everything. There are approximately eight billion people in the
world and everyone has their own individual truth. Is there
really one truth anymore except for the masses of what

(41:28):
they believe? So if there's no truth, go out and
find your truth and go discover for yourself. And that's
what I try to encourage people to do, and hopefully
my film will help them do that.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
I have to agree with you, it's the best way
to progress this. My wife always tells me, Maria, she
goes and goes, whatever happened to my Harley guy? Where's
the boots, where's the leather jacket, where's the bikes? And
my journey has left that far behind. Now it's been
ten years since I've started this journey and I'm in
I play with the feathers now and I'm getting Shiva

(42:03):
stones and I'm experimenting with frequencies and I were just
listening in the forest and I feel like I'm on
the same right that you're on.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
And that's good. And you're always hoping that everybody can
be that way. Like I said, I'm not. I'm not
the glue holding everything like this is. You're on that path.
Everybody's on their different path, even those that can't grow

(42:33):
with it and are kind of staying with what they
know and what they feel safe. And that's the big thing.
Is that word, Because if you're in this community, you
could say it is just a biological primate we haven't
caught up with for these reasons for these scientific reasons.
But science is not the end of all ends of truth,

(42:58):
and that's just the way I look at that you
need it, don't get me wrong, But I do believe
using science, using learning different way the cultures were in
the past, and of course having faith in Christ. For me,
that's a trifecta that's going to help me try to

(43:22):
learn my truth and try to understand that. And I'm
in no rush to do it, and I don't think
it's going to happen overnight, and I could be on
my deathbed before I just go aha and then you know,
and then move on to the next realm. But this
is just the journey that I've been called to do.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
Did your paranormal background help prepare to you to what's
going on?

Speaker 6 (43:51):
Now?

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Does that help in any way you having that background, Well.

Speaker 6 (43:57):
I'd like to say yes and no, because you know,
the Bible does speak of ghost obviously or spirits, but
at the same time, you know, the Holy Word also
speaks about demons and deception, and there are a lot
of things that I believe that when I was in

(44:17):
the paranormal range of it was more deceived of what
I was trying to talk to you know, was that
really you know old man from O'Malley who died in
this barn and when you ask a question and you
get an EVP and it's you know it's this old
man O'Malley and it's yes, it is. Well do you
really know, you know, are you being deceived? And that

(44:41):
you know, doing the paranormal has always been okay, Well,
if they're ghost around here, that means they're not in heaven.
That means they're hanging around here, meaning Heaven and God
may not be real. So you know, I'm going to
be Patrick Swayze after I die and just kind of
hang around. And I think that's a deception that pulls
people away from God. And that's what I believe. So

(45:02):
getting into the paranormal, like you were saying, of studying
it then going out into the woods, honestly, it's kind
of apples and oranges. It's not the same. So it
I mean, people could say it's the same, but I
don't feel it's the same as how I approached it
back in my paranormal days. So you know, doing that

(45:23):
by trying to capture vps, trying to you know, trying
to be that I don't want to say expert, but
that experiencer and to be able to say that you
know this, this and this, but even that field doesn't
have all the answers because you know what, honestly, if
we had all the answers to the paranormal, it would
just be called normal because it would not be non abnormal.

(45:47):
Same thing within the woods. So it's basically whatever is
out there, I think is bigger and greater than us.
But I think now it's the approach. So doing the
paranormal stuff in the past, how I did it is
apples and oranges completely from what I do today.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
Right, So you mentioned the lights before, and I never
did little orbs and everybody's got different thing. Do you
think that that is that its own phenomena? Do you
think or do you think the orbs are connected to
the whole Bigfoot thing? Or do you think that the
orb and the energy is their own phenomena.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
Yeah, you know the reason why in part two that
I was trying to put together the lights and Bigfoot
being connected, and it was basically because I caught something
physical peeking behind a tree on thermal and I watched
it there for a good twenty five seconds of this
huge tree. Of this, I can only assume either a

(46:47):
huge hand or a huge head, because we did the
CSI investigation in the distance, it would have been huge.
It was a raccoon. It was a raccoon and steroids,
and it was you know, five hundred pounds. It moved
super quick, which I guess, I guess that wouldn't be
out of the norm either. But at the same time,
when I was capturing the thermal is, when I saw

(47:09):
it go behind the tree, wasn't there for a second,
And I took my eye off my flare, and sure enough,
an ORB came right from that location and just glided
right in front of us. And before right as it
went out of sight, we heard just like these breaking
through trees. So I was putting everything together. I'm like,

(47:29):
physical orb and then physical again. So did the bigfoot
become an orb evade us and then and then just
become you know, flesh and blood again and just keep moving.
But you know, like today though, you know, when I
really look at that, I'm like, well, you know, bigfoot

(47:52):
could just be just is just a part of the
living woods, and the lights are its own thing of
the living woods, and that maybe Again, this is just
coming out of you know, left field, and who knows,
but that's what I feel like when I'm out there.
Sometimes I'm looking at the standing pines and they're just

(48:14):
you know, all over, and when I'm looking up like that,
I feel like I'm almost like a flea on a
dog and all those standing pines are the hair follicles.
And then that made me think, well, if that was true,
then you know, maybe the Living Woods is more of
a what are we on? Type of thing I think

(48:35):
of now. I think of the land that it's on,
that we're standing on. Now, we're on the back of
the Living Woods, and Bigfoot is just a white blood
cell out there. Because the Native Americans believe that some
tribes would believe that, you know, Bigfoot was a spirit
of the woods and a protector. And I always thought
a protector of what in the woods, of the trees

(48:59):
of you know, the rabbits, the fox, you know, the deer,
you know, was it protecting that way or was it
protecting the living woods itself? For whatever reason? Again, I
don't have those answers, but that's kind of where I
go when it when it comes to, uh, what I
believe that the lights are because there's they're not just

(49:19):
all a white orb by me. We've just even just
of recent you know, you see these these red type
orbs moving through or red led lights that move uncharacteristically.
Let's just say they could be like a laser light
but not hitting surface right in front of you. That

(49:40):
that just kind of make a squiggle that it seems
like they're almost about to hit you or they're just
out there and you know, so it's hard to say, Okay,
the thing that was just squiggling by me, is is
that a bigfoot? You know? I don't know. I don't know,
but that's the uh, that's the part of the journey
that I'm trying to make the connection and the communication with. Right.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
I have a little a little confusion with the rock
throws now because I'm just fine just starting to explore
into the paranormal side of things here now and you
obviously had that and you're you started it was like,
I'm starting opposite what you did. I went from bigfoot
to paranormal to bigfoot, and you went from paranormal with
the bigfoot to finding yourself in the forest. And it's

(50:27):
like what rock through journey?

Speaker 6 (50:30):
Now?

Speaker 5 (50:30):
I know that spirits now, I know can throw stones.
I'm they're perfectly capable of throwing stones. So if you're
in the forest and you're experiencing stone throws and you're
not seeing what's doing it, how could you one hundred
percent in any way say that it is bigfoot that's
throwing stones at you if you.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
Don't anything, And I agree with you, because you can't.
You didn't see what threw the rocks at you. You
can't prove that it was a ghost, a bigfoot, or
an alien. Right. We we can believe what we hear
right from other people or other encounters of bigfoot throwing pebbles. Well,

(51:11):
do they really see those bigfoots throwing the pebbles? You didn't.
I didn't, and I've had them thrown right at me.
And I've heard him come through a good thirty yards
being whipped through the trees, And there is no way,
not even with a slingshot, would you be able to
through that terrain. May get lamp by my feet every time.

(51:32):
It's like these stones are controlled. The way I can
really say it. I mean, in my first film, he
was ten at the time, Blake, he was saying, yeah,
but no matter what Dad, How about that accuracy? If
we tried to hit something, We're going to hit brush,
We're going to hit branches, We're gonna hit something. How

(51:55):
can these rocks or objects, not even rocks all the time,
because we've had pine cones, different things just kind of
just be there. So I agree with you is that
we can't put everything on just one cryptid. It very
well could be, but I don't know that. But I

(52:18):
agree with you. How do you how do you control
that We've never seen it? Right?

Speaker 5 (52:23):
Yeah, we had pine cones thrown at us about snow
Grove and while having our coffee, three of us. It
was a perfect I wish someone was famous. We're all
sitting on the back deck at Snowgrove Lake up in
Canada and we all got our coffees and there's pine
cones coming over the outhouse and they're being thrown at
us and we're just sitting there slipping our coffee watching.
That's the funniest thing. But of course we didn't see

(52:43):
what did it. We had a bunch of experiences, So
that's that's the biggest part that I'm having trouble with
these days, is not seeing it. Because when we had
those vocals. The other night in the Woodknock we had fleers.
We were just sitting in the dark first, just letting
things happen, just sitting there and and we pull our
flares up and looking all around us, all three sixties

(53:04):
and we see nothing right, and you put the flares down,
and then a rock. Then we had a rock thrown
at us and comes in and then we pick.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
And honestly, that's why I've kind of tried just putting down,
you know, the ir binoculars or the thermal flares, because
I don't think we can see them in that spectrum.
In my opinion, I think they could be right there.
And we're looking for us. We're looking for primate. We're
looking for a heat signature that you know, you can

(53:36):
catch up a nocturnal flying squirrel or a deer or
a fox or coyote out there. But you can't seem
to catch anything else except for that one in part
two where it looked like it was supernaturally moving from
one side of the tree to another, like squirrels playing,
but it was huge. But you know, at the same time,
it's what are we looking for? And maybe that's why

(54:00):
we can't see an infrared, or we can't see in
thermal and why even during the day they could be
standing right there and you can't see them. And when
we can't see something and something happens, we immediately go
to more of a you know, the spiritual side of ghosts.
But you know, again, I don't know. So sometimes I

(54:24):
get on a roll of just like I'm sure you would,
where you just get on a roll and you just
kind of try to keep thinking outside of the box.
But that's what I'm doing, so I don't I don't
get discouraged one way or another. You know, if I
found out that, you know, Bigfoot was cast with the
Friendly Ghost, they wouldn't disappoint me that it wasn't Harry
and the Hendersons, you know. So, or at the same time,
you know, you finally see a big Foot takes his

(54:45):
mask off and it's Elvis Pressley. You know, we don't,
don't know, And that's the wonderful journey about this.

Speaker 5 (54:52):
I'm leaning towards a vibrational frequency thing between two worlds,
and I think at certain moments in time, when the
vibration are the frequencies line up, we're able to see
each other's worlds. And we're all energy. We know that
we're everybody's energy. That's all we are. We're energy, period.

Speaker 6 (55:10):
Everything is energy. And that's the bigart. You know that
we're on morehead. The Quantum Bigfoot is my favorite big
Foot book out there, because you know it is he
kind of delves into a little spirituality on it, but
it's the quantum, the science side of just saying everything
is the vibration. And when we're out there and our

(55:30):
eyes are you know, just trying to scan the woods
to look for a physical bear type, you know, bigfoot,
we're not going to see that. It's it is. It
is on that different frequency level, something that I don't
think anybody's mastered yet. That's the thing is I hear
about frequency all the time, and but I still don't

(55:51):
think it's it's one hundred percent mastered into that yet.
Who knows. Maybe it is, and I've just been living
under a rock. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
I'll share some stuff with you. Well, most of people
know we found a frequency. It's forty hurts and it's
been all across America. Recordings have come back. It's the
frequency of a hummingbird wing. And I told you previously
about about the hummingbird before the show. But people have
got it recorded across America. It sounds like one of

(56:19):
those uh like the bull roarers, you know, the Australians
used woo. Lots of people have picked it up. People
have picked it up. But so a bigfoot of recording
of it humming eating peanut butter forty hurts hum. So
we've been started using the forty HRTs and call blasting
it and stuff like that, just to see what kind

(56:40):
of reaction it's actually given us. Some some reacted up
at snow Grove Red Orbs, white orbs we call blasted
over the lake. That night we had an ORBS show
at the lake around the house. That was unreal. So
that's why I'm headed towards that direction. That's that's what
we're exactly know what I mean. But again that's only

(57:03):
again that's an IMO. I can't tell you for sure,
but all right.

Speaker 6 (57:08):
But but the thing, and that's exactly that you're speaking
very passionately about your truth and what you believe. And
it's the same thing how I am when I'm when
I'm speaking about what mine is, and there's no difference.
Because I was saying about the everybody out there is
going to have their own truth, their own opinion on

(57:29):
whatever that is. And one day I believe that we're
going to find that. I just keep pursuing and being
open that way.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
I agree with you on percent.

Speaker 6 (57:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
All right, So right now we're going to give away
this this this DVD, and then we're going to have
Jay talk a little bit about the Kettle connection. So
to win this, Jay had a really good friend from
Wisconsin and she passed away a little while back, a
very sweet lady involved with the Brave Road and all that.

(58:01):
The first you don't do it yet. Once I sound
the horn, the first person to say her name in
the comments and types it wins, wins the copy. Guys ready, one, two, three,
and they're off. Who gets it right first? I don't know.

(58:27):
I might have stumped them Jay, Yeah, there she is.
Dookie Pickles wins. Linda Godfrey, You got it right, Dookie Pickles.
That's right after you got close. You were right there after.
But so I don't I don't know if you want

(58:47):
your name of do you want Dookie Pickles on the
copy or do you got a first name?

Speaker 6 (58:51):
Or or yeah that's.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
Or you could just tell me after he can sign
it on air if you want.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
I could either sign it on oops, I'm on blur.
I could either sign it on air, or or you
could just let us know later.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
But all right, congratulations to Dookie Pickles. All right, so
oh to Erin right there a a R O N to.

Speaker 6 (59:25):
Aaron Okay, Sorr, I can't have the camera down here,
but I am going to sign it right.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
Now, and then if after the show, you could get
a hold of me at Real American Monsters at gmail
dot com and send me your address and we'll get
that out to you. Congratulations. And it wasn't a contest,
this was a giveaway. Well there's the where there's his
address right there, Aaron Aim all right, Barmington Hills, Michigan.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
All right, all right, perfect to Erin find your truth. Okay,
there we go saying I do it in two colors.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
Congratulations Doochie Pickles. All right, my friend, Will, we're at
the hour mark already, so let's get into a little
bit about the Kettle connection to tell what people to
look for and what was the main what was the

(01:00:30):
main focus on that, and then we'll take some questions
and we'll let you get on with your night.

Speaker 6 (01:00:36):
You got it. So the butler didn't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
You are quick though. That's just so pretty good. Funny guy.
I like that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
So basically, this is gonna be my journey of well,
you know, I've been doing this since twenty thirteen. Really,
time doesn't make a truth seeker a truth seeker. You
started this tomorrow, you become a truth seeker. Doesn't matter

(01:01:08):
if you're on day one or if you're on day
or year fourteen or twenty years. There's so many people
have been doing this forever. We still don't have that answer.
So basically, this film should helpfully open up a little
bit more eyes on what we're just talking about tonight,
and it basically is it is about getting out into

(01:01:32):
the woods. It is about opening up yourself a little
bit more of just what people think a bigfoot would be.
Everything in this film is one hundred fact base. I
don't add any fluff to it. I do enjoy making
films and I love movies, so you know, I like

(01:01:53):
to add a certain soundtrack to it just to give
you the what is out there. But it's not full
of fluff. This is not anything that you would see
on TV. I wrote this me and my wife produced
it and I edit. I've done everything to this. There's
been no other control but me on this film. So

(01:02:13):
you take me for what I am. I could be
the best used car salesman this side of Wisconsin. I
don't feel who I am. I try to be as
honest as I can. I really think people will have
a big eye opening experience once you see it, So
I'm hoping that you will see it right now. It
is only available. I'm blu ray at this time. Hopefully

(01:02:36):
something down the line happens, but I really don't know when.
And a lot of these streaming services they always change
your rules after a couple of years, so it makes
getting on some of these really tough. It's not as
easy as being on to be or something like that.
You're like, wow, how come everybody does just srow it
up there. There's different reasons for different platform so I'm

(01:03:01):
really hoping that you will enjoy It's blurry. I got
a blur effect on her anyway, the Kettle connection, and
you can find me at jabachochin dot com. Got everything
up there that you need to see. Get a hold
of me up there if you need to. And this
has been.

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
Great without giving away too much of it, Can you
share one of the experiences that went on in the
in the new film.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Well, in the new film there were a lot of
some of them you would have to almost see to
believe one of these, And honestly, I'm I'm gonna tell
you it's I like to look at the whole film
as a whole, not just giving away one section or not.
But there is something that we captured on our body cam.

(01:03:51):
Didn't even notice that we caught it until after the fact.
In fact, I wasn't even looking at this spot during
the time we do leap frogs out there. There was
four of us. It was David and Michelle Diener and
then Sherry Lampy and then myself and we just kind
of spread apart every you know, one hundred yards on

(01:04:12):
hundred and fifty yards, so you're isolated by yourself safely ish,
you know, we can all run to each other if
we needed to. But in this case, something that you'll
see in this film is just get It's just going
to blow your mind because once you see this, you
can't unsee it. And it's something that was while we

(01:04:33):
all caught up with David telling us what he heard.
That's what I like to do. I like to record
people if they have anything to say. I'm popping my
phone out. We're gonna just get your first reaction. But
after something that was peeking out at us, that was captured,
but we didn't see it at all, and you see
it after and once you try to wrap your mind

(01:04:55):
around this, there's no answers for it. It is one
of the coolest captures that I've ever that I've ever had.
It's it's even made Ken Gearhard scratch his head and
some of the some of the bigger guys you know
up there when I when I showed them this, they're
just like they can't get it out of their head

(01:05:16):
of what exactly that was. So I thought that was
pretty cool. But anyway, that's in the film for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
Well you can't you can't you see it. You cannot
deny it. I mean, it's not like you're out there
you're making it up. I mean, you got better things
to do than you know, like I said, you're a
family man, and to be out in the woods and
do all this, and it takes the hours, the two
hours or the three hours that you got left in
the day out of twenty four hours to get out

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there and do this kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:05:44):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's rough, but you know what
I mean. I guess it beats spending a lot of
money going to play golf for you know, hitting the
bars late at night, you know, and spending all your
money doing all that stuff. I'm trying to make a
difference within my own life. It's not even I'm not
even sitting there trying to peddle what this is and
just say buy my film, you know it is. I

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believe this is something that will open a lot of
people's eyes in a lot of different ways. And like
you said, whether you see it, you can on see it.
You're still going to have people that are deniers and
live live in their productive safety bubble of things that
can't be real. And that's okay, you know what. One

(01:06:31):
step at a time. Hopefully the people that are listening
here will find their truth and whatever they're seeking.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
Oh, I agree with you. So we're going to open
up the questions for Jay all in cap letters. Please
if you got a question for him. Again, I want
to say thank you for taking the time tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
Oh absolutely, thanks for having me in. Hopefully I haven't
seen that tired.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
Did I No, No, you're good, You're very good. Coffee beginning,
coffee kicked in. Good for you. I just feel bad
because you know, it's early in the week. I know,
I know, I went to work today. I'm feeling it.
Bead myself. You know what I mean. I'm old.

Speaker 6 (01:07:11):
Yeah, you're not that old. Ye.

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
I'm getting there. I'm getting there. So what's next on
the horizon? What do you got coming up? Now? What
do you what's going on?

Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
You know what, it's still just going out and truth seeking.
And you know, I can just tell you it was
three weeks ago. Me, Jackie, Kim and Sherry were about
three weeks ago in August. We were all sitting out

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there and you know the storms that flooded Milwaukee. You've
heard about that on the news, right, you know when
Milwaukee got flooded. Well, we were That's where the storms
were heading when we were out there, and they weren't
supposed to be there, but they just popped up. So
we're ready to bug out. Like quick, lightning started. You know,
from the distance, you hear the louder thunder coming, no

(01:08:06):
wind or anything. It was weird because it means it
was just kind of moving quick way up there, so
no wind or anything. We're just like a time to
bug out, and so everybody starts picking up their chairs.
I had to use the bathroom. I'm like, I don't
want to be walking back over a mile and you
know it get caught in the storm if it approaches
and it hits us. Anyway, long story longer. Just as

(01:08:30):
I'm done, I walk away from the group by a
tree and then I looked to my right and about
I'm gonna say eleven twelve feet, I see the stick
just fall gently right on the forest floor. And it
was right in between where I was and where my
chair was where we were sitting in the group. And
it was weird because it didn't fall and bounce or anything.

(01:08:53):
And the weird thing about this is this was a
dead fall stick. I mean it's been dead for a while.
It was broken on both alves. There's a dead fall
all around there. But I saw it mid air and
just land and I actually have that right now you're
asking what am I doing now, I'm still going out
there now. I think in the living woods is given

(01:09:15):
me something giving it to me. And again I don't
know what that purpose is yet or whatnot. But you know,
I'm enjoying that part of the ride because that was
the most bizarrest thing seeing that. And again to your
round trees. It's like finding a feather out there, right,
you find a feather. Well, of course there's birds out there.
Arey're going to lose feathers all the time, it's just

(01:09:36):
the way you find them. There was no wind, and
these you know, forty fifty foot standing pines that are
you groomed really high, all of a sudden just drops
a dead fall stick. That's the weird thing. It wasn't
just up there. I don't know where it came from.
It was like the rocks. I don't know where it
came from. But it landed right next to me. If

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I would have gone three or four feet my right,
it would have landed right on me. And I don't
think it would have. But I think that was meant
to be them that I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
So right, that's funny how you mentioned the feathers at
our all habituation area. The homeowner would get raven feathers
left for the places that he visited the most often.
He had a wood burning boiler, so there would be
a raven feather left at the door way where he
would stand. He would go out to his truck in
the morning and go to work, there would be a

(01:10:28):
raven feather laid on the ground at his truck door.
They would leave feathers for him all over the place.
It was the coolest thing. We got pictures of it.
It's just amazing stuff, all right. We got a couple
of questions here. Gary Johnson asked, do you think northeast
Kentucky is a good location to find one?

Speaker 6 (01:10:45):
Well, yeah, definitely, Kentucky is a hot spot of any
any encounters that I've heard out there and I've seen
and that's just it. You can go on YouTube TikTok
see it, you know, or hear it on a podcast.
Asked and you really don't know that person from Adam
or Eve, right, you don't. You don't know them, so

(01:11:05):
you're taking for what they're saying. You really believe that?
But I have definitely. My mom used to live down
near that location. You just popped up there and there
was a sighting not no more than a mile and
a half from where she lived, and so you know,

(01:11:25):
I went there to what I went down to visit
her when she lived down there, and it was just
it was kind of cool to be there. And these
were the reports b f RO class A sighting, So
they're definitely down there. And I've heard plenty plenty of
Kentucky being a very hot spot for this.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
All right, Miss Diane Foller asked, what is the most
surprised you've ever been? And she then she goes, she goes,
you might have just answered that just now.

Speaker 6 (01:11:54):
Well, I mean one of them would be. I mean,
the stick was pretty cool. But back in two thousand
and seventeen, me and my friend Chris went out after
it got done raining, so it was twilight, and when
it's twilight and you get under the canopy of trees,
it's even darker. But we went out there after it

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was done raining, so all you're hearing is, you know,
the rainfalls off the leaves, you know, just everywhere around you.
Three hund and sixty degrees and we're up on top
of one of the four hundred fret kettles and he
has a billy club and he goes, hey, do you
mind if I do a knack? You know, I'm just like, yeah,
go for it. I don't knock but go ahead. And

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so he WAPs a tree a couple of times, and
I'm probably twelve twelve feet away from him on the
very wide path, and so it's dark. But after he
knocked I still close my eyes because it helped me concentrate.
I don't know why it was dark already, and I'm
hearing that through the rainfall all around me. So you

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want to know, Diane, how surprised I would have been
something right behind me to my right. I felt like
it was just a These are like bipedal steps of
just kind of a light kind of onto the forest floor.
But they went quick. It was like one was kind

(01:13:15):
of way to my right, then right behind me, and
then right off to my left, and it stopped. And
the surprise or the fear I had I became a statue,
a petrified tree, because it was that feeling of have
you ever like when you were a kid, maybe even
until now, when you're down in the basement you turn

(01:13:37):
off the light down there and you're going up the stairs,
and you feel like something's going to climb up after you. You know,
as you're going up the stairs. I don't know, maybe
it's just me, but it was kind of that feeling
that I had that I couldn't move, and it was
only because my audio that I knew. It was about
a minute and twenty seconds right around there to where

(01:13:57):
all of a sudden I was able to break free,
and I had my thermal already, so I actually walk
to Chris. Chris didn't even know what was going on
because he was a little further than me, and I
turned around. Nothing there. I thought it was standing there
the whole time. I never heard it leave. I heard
it come right behind me, never heard anything leave. And
trust me, I was listening to make sure because it

(01:14:20):
was very surprised, very petrified. And this location that I'm
referring to is where a lot of this other stuff
is happening till this day. And I mean it even
goes deeper than Sasquatch. These are some things that are shadows,

(01:14:42):
and these you can almost refer to them as paranormal
shadow people. We don't know, but whatever they are, they're
out there, either dancing in the middle of the path
or they're zooming byastre letting us know they're there. Something
is out there, and you know, I'm just I'm glad
to be a part of the living wood. So that's
my surprise. That's my surprise.

Speaker 5 (01:15:03):
My wife and I experienced that, and she hasn't been
back in the woods since seven years. She hasn't been back.

Speaker 6 (01:15:09):
In the Yeah. Well, some people won't be able to
handle that, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
Yeah, Okay. The Squatch Father himself, Alfred Santa Rica asks
gift they ever gave.

Speaker 6 (01:15:21):
You, Well, that one would have been in my opinion,
if that was the gift, was definitely the stick that
I have now, and I took it. I felt like
once we found we didn't we didn't stick around when
we when that first fell next to me, and then

(01:15:41):
three weeks later, which would have been last week, we
went back there and it wasn't in the same position
and it was actually moved. And when I found this,
it was something that I thought this was a gift.
It was. It was a gift for me, and I
didn't know what for. I just knew I had it.
Kim actually took it home, she cleaned it off, she

(01:16:05):
sanded it, she did a lot of things that she
was taught for the Native American ways to kind of
give it to me this past weekend anointed And it's
pretty cool because it is that's that's the gift, and
I felt like it was from the woods. I can't say,

(01:16:25):
I can't say it was from you know, anything else,
but that from from the woods. But that was probably
my best gift. You got ghost dogs, Yeah, we got
we got live she know she knows wind to bark.
I always say, hey, that's live live TV only kid.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
I don't care. It's all good. They had a couple
more questions that we're gonna let take get on. Get
on was night? Gary Johnson asked, do you think they
moved through the trees? Not always on the ground?

Speaker 6 (01:16:55):
Oh yeah, one hundred sometimes Well and again that made
me sound like an expert. Yeah, I know everything. Well, definitely,
I really do believe that. You know, why not? You know,
why aren't they're just if they're flesh and blood, why
aren't there just prints a galore everywhere? The best safest

(01:17:16):
way I would think to move around would be through
the trees. And that's the only thing I can think
of is that that way there's nothing left behind, there's
no trace track or anything like that. So to me,
it's kind of a common sense thing of what it is.
But then again, we really don't know what they are
or how they move. Sometimes I think, why is there

(01:17:38):
only one print and not even near trees, just out
in the middle of nowhere. You just see a couple
of them going and the prints just disappear. You know.
People think portals, you know, the ones that I found
and casted and this will be in the third film
one I Found and cast It is just kind of
in the middle of the path, kind of not going

(01:17:59):
with the path, a little bit on side, but it's
deep and there's no other prints around either. That always
makes me feel like when I see something like that
that maybe they're not even actually walking on the ground.
Maybe there maybe it's a whole levitation that they have
going on without leaving prints, because when you do see

(01:18:19):
them moving there always seem to be moving as if
they're gliding like on skis. The way they move doesn't
seem as natural as we would be walking. So yeah,
I've got a lot of crazy theories about it. Don't
know they're true or not, but you know, these are
just my opinions. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
I had a coach of a Tony on the show
a couple of weeks ago and we were talking about
residual haunts. So you know, everything passes away. What if
the sasquatch passed away, but this was his local this
was his route that he always traveled, And every twenty
years he comes by and he leaves that one print,
and then he won't come back again for another twenty years,
and then it'll leave that one print. I mean, these

(01:19:01):
are just some of the things that I'm like asking
questions about now because I'm my this whole new world is.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
But well, you know, yeah, you can even go one
step further and just say time is not linear, and
that that he's not coming back, He's just always there,
and that we're always just kind of criss crossing like
a like a bow on a present. So he's he's
always there and we're just we're just kind of colliding

(01:19:27):
our time. I don't know, but I agree with you.
That's where I go to, you know, to saying that
we always base everything on us. You know, we're trying
to find you know, bipedal ape out there. That's that's
us that we can relate to because that's the only
thing we can identify. Then when it comes to time,
we think, you know, watching back to the future, you

(01:19:49):
know that that's you know, the time is linear, it's
like that. And again, I don't know. I'm not a
string theorist, you know, or research or anything like that
on a scientific level. But it's like you said, Chris,
it's exactly how how we are. And that's great that
we're always thinking outside the box that way. Like I said,
I'm not an expert. I hope I'm not coming across

(01:20:11):
that way because I you know, sometimes I'm always like
I gotta I gotta stop myself because I sound like
I know what I'm talking about. I don't know that.
I'm still a student in all this.

Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
I'm still learning, and with you on, that's that's all
about learning. You learn something new all the time. All right,
two more questions everybody, and then we're gonna let Jay go.
Just kim at we see a fighting J four.

Speaker 6 (01:20:35):
Well, I think since we already started recording the first
time and we did say here's the beginning of finding
J four with the champagne. Yeah, you know right now.
I always say uh because my wife's always like, all right,
you're done now, you know, because she said that after
the first one, because it takes so much to do
and you're finally all right, I'm done. I don't want

(01:20:58):
to make this my life, because you can't. You don't
get rich off this stuff. You know, It's not like
people all over the United States knows who I am.
I'm not famous. I'm not going out for fame or fortune.
I'm going out for the truth. But anyway, so you know,
I got done with that one, but I had so
much more to tell. So a couple of years later
I came out with Part two. That was it. I'm done.

(01:21:18):
I shouldn't have called it too, because with two or
three follows, you know, and sure enough I completed the
trilogy and she goes, now are you done? She always
says it with a smile, though, because she knows I'm
passionate about this stuff. So will there be a four?
I never say never. And it's not that I'm going
out there trying to create that. But you know, if

(01:21:40):
something really spectacular is happening over the next couple of years,
you bet you there could be right awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:21:46):
All right, guys, this is going to be the last
question of the night. Right here, Kenny has yes. Do
you ever feel you're guided or drawn to a certain
area while researching?

Speaker 6 (01:21:55):
Yes, yes, Kenny all the time. There are times that
I mean, right, now where we kind of put our
what I call our circle when we set up camping,
is our chairs and everything is you do feel like
that is the spot, but of course we just don't
sit there. We'll we'll stray away from kittens out of
a box, you know, we'll stray away a little bit

(01:22:18):
from our camp that way. And there are a lot
of times that I do feel this is the area
where I need to be looking or listening. And that's
probably pretty much it, because I get pulled into those
areas not to see Harry and the Henderson's, but to
understand why am I pulled there? You look down all
of a sudden, you find that feather? All right? Why

(01:22:39):
am I finding this feather? And you so one question
just leads to another. But yes, long answer, I feel
drawn all the time to different areas.

Speaker 5 (01:22:51):
Awesome, awesome. Well, I want to say thank you so
much for coming on tonight. Everybody enjoyed it. Everybody in
the chat enjoyed it.

Speaker 6 (01:23:00):
Thank you, thank you for having me in.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
Kenny says he gets whips chat is rolling right now.
My goodness. Kenny has says, I get those feelings too.

Speaker 6 (01:23:08):
Yeah, well that's good, That's what I mean. We're I
think we're all on the same page when it comes
to it. But you Kenny, or you Chris me or
Kim Sherry, whoever's out with me. Uh yeah, you're You're
gonna find that truth becoming the observer and the experiencer,
because you have to put that together, not me, for you. Right,

(01:23:32):
how many times chrisy, you've been out with somebody else,
somebody else hears something or see something. You know, I don't,
the other person doesn't, but Kim does. Let's say that
that is her truth to figure out, just like anybody
out there.

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
Makes perfect sense. And where we go, we'll let you
go in there. Note all right, ladies and gentlemen, just
hanging out backstays for a little bit, Jane, I'll say
good night, all right, ladies and gentlemen. Mister Joa, all right,
all right, all right, what a great show. What a

(01:24:11):
great guy. He always is a great interview. He's always
a good friend and I always look forward to talking
to him. Hopefully we'll get him back again before we
have to get number four out this time. Congratulations to
mister pickles Or for winning the copy of the the
DVD and we will get that right out to you,

(01:24:31):
I promise, And Francesca, your book will be out to
you very soon too. I just haven't made it down
to the old post office quite yet, but it's still
here and it's still safe. Next week I have We're
going dog Man next week. We got Darryl Denton coming
to the show, so we're going back to the dog
Man thing. We're trying to learn about everything here and

(01:24:52):
speaking of just remember Linda Godfrey. She was such a
great lady and very knowledgeable. And if you don't know
who you are, who's is, you should and go back
and research her because she's one of a kind. And
speaking of the dog Men, So uh, that's all I got. Oh,
We're going to Alabama. I'm leaving to Alabama next week.

(01:25:13):
I'll be going to uh Mark Green's house. I'm going
to the Man Cave. I am going to Flat Rocks House.
I believe we're going to Coombo's house. So we are
making an Alabama trip that's like none other. I am
heading out with Bef Bud and Blue Eyed Northern is
going to be down there, and mister Joe's going to
be there and we are going to have a week.
So look for a live from Creepy Mountain Tuesday night.

(01:25:36):
I think we're going live from there. Adam Colt is
also joining us. He's the one with us on the
the expeditions up to Canada at Snowgrove Lake, So look
for that. Let's keep your eyes open because we're going
to go live and get and Mark's going to go
live too on his channel one night too. So I'm
looking very forward to meeting all these folks. I've been

(01:25:58):
talking to him for years and having yeah, and I
am looking very forward to this this trip. So keep
your eyes open for that and you know what comes next.
As my friend Larry says, get in the woods, people.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
Out of my head.

Speaker 8 (01:26:31):
Out as best to sleep board could be dead.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
Is it something that I have done?

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Did led you.

Speaker 8 (01:26:48):
Today that was gone clear? Come rain? Cannot be a
swim myself.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
I don't gray so far.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
Once in a wild I get tired of talking.

Speaker 8 (01:27:23):
I'm good on a smile.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
And let my alter e go.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
Wherever out go.

Speaker 8 (01:27:37):
The days are shown, scream, I cannot be sweet, mouself sway,

(01:28:00):
it's so bad

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
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