Real American Monsters #15 The Secrets of the Jacarilla Apache Nation

Tonight at 8pm EST on THE UNTOLD RADIO NETWORK'S REAL AMERICAN MONSTERS: The Secrets of the Jicarilla Apache Nation
Tonight, prepare to venture into a place steeped in mystery and primal history. Welcome back to **Real American Monsters**!
We're honored to host a man who stands as a guardian of the Jicarilla Apache lands and a gatekeeper of its most unsettling secrets: **Hoyt Valarde**.
A respected elder of the *Jicarilla Apache Nation* in New Mexico, Hoyt's life is inextricably tied to this remote and ancient territory. From his birthplace on his family's ranch—a lineage tracing back to the Nation's founders—to his decades of service, Hoyt has been a living watchman. He has served with the **US Southern Border Protection**, battled raging **wildland fires**, and kept the peace as the former **Chief of Police for the Jicarilla Nation**, overseeing ranchers and the booming oil fields. He was also instrumental in establishing the successful tribal casinos.
But the most compelling chapter of Hoyt's life begins where his home is: the shadow of *Dulce* and the notorious **Archuleta Mesa**—a location whispered about in hushed tones as a possible site of a subterranean alien base or lab.
From this epicenter of the unknown, Hoyt receives the majority of the region's chilling *Sasquatch* reports. He doesn't just listen; he investigates every account, tracking the evidence where civilization meets the truly wild.

Tonight, Hoyt Valarde unveils what he has seen, what the Nation knows, and what truly lurks in the mountains and mesas of the Jicarilla Apache.

*Tune in tonight or anytime we stream to all platforms! You won't believe what's walking in the shadows of New Mexico's most sacred and secluded lands.*

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Uh, big Foot stopping through woods.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Son of shadow. N ain't no good, my man lurking
in the night. I like fire burning brain, tall man

(01:41):
howling that.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Floor, shadow creeping bringing to sn't buy a first in fold,
leave you cold, to leave it did. Welcome to Theland.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Welcome to Real American Monsters.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Hello Lo Lo, my friends and Monster Land. Tuesday night,
once again on the Untold Radios Network's Real American Monsters,
and we're back at the Helm. We're back in control
for the next ninety minutes. And I'm back from Alabama.
What a trip way we had down there, met a
lot of great, great folks. I just want to say,

(02:56):
think I had truly, truly learned what's other hospitality was
Greg greg House took us in for a couple of nights,
Koombo took us in, mister Mark Green took us in,
and then at the end of the week, mister flat
Rock took us in. So thank you all, one and all.
It was a great, great trip. I learned a lot

(03:20):
beautiful place, beautiful areas, and beautiful people. So I just
want to say, if you are all out there listening tonight,
thank you one and all for the great time that
we shared down there. I will be doing a little
documentary on it. We filmed the whole time and we
had some cool stuff happen, so I'm very excited for that. Tonight.

(03:42):
We have a very special guest with us tonight from
the from the from the Hickoria Apache Nation, mister hoy Ballarde.
Our friend boyd Omer hooked us up with hoy and
hoyk is a wealth and knowledge. He knows a lot
of people in the bigfoot scene, and he's been around
a little bit and he knows his stuff. So we
are very excited to have him here with us, and

(04:02):
I cannot wait to hear more. I just got a
chance to talk to him a little bit backstage and
he'll be out here soon. So good evening everyone, Oh,
mister Wendell Big but it was it was a good
It was a pleasure meeting you, wend All down in Alabama.
Mister Thomas Waters is with us. Good evening, mister Thomas.
Good evening, Donna Spencer. Miss Diane Followers one of our wrenches.

(04:23):
She'll bounch you out if you're you cause any trouble.
Good evening, Diane, Miss Robin lind Griffin, Good evening, good evening.
People are pouring in for the show. It's glad good
to see everybody. This is gonna be one good evening.
Blue Eyed Northern Pat was down with us too, another
great great, uh great person. We got to finally meet

(04:44):
her too. So it was a great trip and I'm
glad that I'll I did it. Oh Patrick, mister Patrick Nobel,
another one that was on the trip. He was a
really super guy too. He's coming in so again, thank
you one and all that would contribute to everything down there.

Speaker 6 (05:02):
Missus.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
Pat's cooking was really, really really good and we had
good times down there. So, but it was hot. It
was like ninety five degrees and one hundred percent humid.
So that's all I got to say. Christidy, Yeah, I
heard Wendell. Yeah, I heard yeah from Mark Yep, what happened?
So and mister Verax's with us. So without further ado,

(05:24):
we got a lot to get to tonight. We got
a very special guest. He doesn't do too many interviews,
and tonight we got him here in the studio. Please
help me welcome everybody, mister Waite. Hellot, good evening, Sarah,

(05:48):
good evening, good evening, thank you, thank you so much
for being here. I'm very excited. You were supposed to
be on the show a few months back. But things
happen and and do it and now you're back in
action and we're very happy to see you here and
smiling in your smiling face. So thank you so well,

(06:13):
go ahead, things do happen, you know, yes, sir, yes, yeah, No,
it's all good. It's all good. So before we get started,
you want to just give everybody just like a little
small bio on yourself and tell everybody how you got
how you got introduced, and how you got hooked on
investigating the sasquatch phenomena.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
Will Uh. My career is a police officer. Oh, we
investigate everything, and as I moved through the ranks, you
sort of start picking up everything squatch, UFOs, paranormal, wherever

(07:00):
else comes that you see it, you see it first.
And after I got out from law enforcement thirty five
years there, I stuck with looking for squatch, although so
many years looking at the UFO side. And a good

(07:26):
friend of mine gave bald Is and myself. Gaybold is
a state police officer in New Mexico. We investigated a
lot of cases here. We've seen a lot of strange
stuff in the air and will be the same thing
on the ground. Also, we'll be out there's nothing to

(07:50):
do when you're squatch and everybody knows that you're relying
on your senses. You're listening, you're smelling, and you're looking.
You're not seeing anything. So what do you do. You
lay back and look up in the sky and believe

(08:11):
it or not, things start moving up there too. So
now that's how I got interested in both areas, and
then being a indigenous person from this area, you also
see things directly that has deals with the paranormal. And

(08:34):
I've been doing that since the early seventies, from my
first sightings and I was about six seven years old
up until now. I have many sightings and well, I
really didn't go after him. You try different ideas, You

(08:56):
try different ideas. You get a group of people together
and you go out in the woods and you look
around and look around. But nine times out of ten
you're not gonna see anything. You're not gonna hear anything,
So you keep trying. Then there's that one night that
you're going to run into everything right from the road

(09:19):
into where you're sitting out in the middle of nowhere,
they're there, and okay, one of the major things there's
what I've always looked for is I want to see
with my own eyes, not that I look with anybody

(09:41):
else's eyes, but I look with mine. And that's how
I said, Hey, after seeing this, you will believe. And
it doesn't matter if you never see one, but you
got to try. You got to be out there. Next question, so, so,

(10:06):
what what what? What?

Speaker 5 (10:07):
What was that first experience that got you interested in
the in this in in investigating task? Because what was that?
What was that initial uh grab there? How'd that go down?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Is that?

Speaker 6 (10:18):
The initial grab was I was about six or seven
years old. We used to live at the ranch, and uh,
everybody eats at the table back in them days, and uh,
my mother tells me call, call everybody in, it's time
for dinner. I'm a little guy who went plane right there.

(10:42):
I ran out of the house, ran out to where
my dad was. He was in the shop and he
always works in there. My brothers were sitting at the windmill.
They were doing something over there. I sort of knew
everybody was at So I'm running towards the shop and
all of a sudden, I see this thing standing there
next to the chicken. The house big, and it was

(11:04):
hairy all over black, sort of brown. Didn't know what
it was. I don't know what a bear looks like,
but this thing, it wasn't a bear, it wasn't anything,
and standing there never saw me. I turned around and
ran back to the house until I was well. By
the time I was there, I was screaming and yelling

(11:24):
and oh, my brother, my oldest brother, was inside the house.
So my mother told him, go call everybody. You know,
there's something happened to this guy, and eventually you know
you're there. If you're there, to go back out there
and start looking. I told him, it's right here, I explained.
Nobody would listen to me either. I was a little guy,

(11:46):
so nobody listened to me. But I finally got my
brother to listen to my oldest brother, I said, he
was standing right here, he is looking into the chicken house.
And after that you sort of forget it, you know,
seven years old. You go on and then through the
years you start learning about all kinds of things, find

(12:10):
out what a squatch is. One day I was looking
at some pictures and right there, that's what I saw.
When I was a kid. I saw that. I know
what it looks like. There. You've been introduced. You start
looking for you start looking for it. How am I
going to find it again? Where do I look? How

(12:31):
many are there? Is it dangerous? Does it eat people?
Is one of the things is I said to myself?
With this thing? He eats chickens, It probably eats meat.
I'm not going to hang around there, you know. So
you start deducting things and get to start looking at Oh,

(12:56):
go to the library. You start looking for these things.
But you won't find these things in the library either.
He's got to talk to other people, and pretty soon
you sort of things sort of open up to you.
And then that's how I got started. Finally learned what
it was and see it all, and I'm seeing glimpses

(13:17):
of it after that, see a glimpse of see of
legs underneath a tree from the branches. You can't see
the bodies, but you see the leg that type of
thing that he moves behind the tree. And he's gone
little glimpses like that for years on tail. I believe

(13:39):
it was two thousand and four when I was checking
fences at our ranch. We have an eight foot fence,
electric fence. We gotta check every day or every other day.
I'm out of my four wheeler checking the fence. I
run alongside the facets and look at it. There's one

(14:03):
little tree. It's branches. We touch the wires, and I said,
you sort of nip at it and break it off.
I was going to go over there and check that tree,
because we all knew which tree it was. It shorts
it out. So I go over there, go over there,
and all of a sudden, I walk right next to
the fence. Of course, I shut the fence off first,

(14:25):
and I walked through there, and I see this thing
standing there with his hand touching the fence, the wire.
It's testing the wire. Well, you know, I sort of
figured it out. What was doing is testing the wire.
It was hot, and by that time we look we

(14:49):
eyeballed each other. I'd say about twelve feet we eyeballed
each other, and I fell to the ground, lost all control.
You know, I just couldn't stand up anymore. I just
fell down. I couldn't scream, I couldn't yell, I couldn't

(15:12):
do anything. I was so much fear in me, and
I was laying sideways and I watched this thing go
through the fens just like a human wood and walk
away real fast. And I know it was a female
because it had necessary parts on the chest. And you

(15:36):
know that's how I said it's a female, because I've
seen another one later on at a different time, and
that one had a flat test and that as a male.
You can you can see, you see the difference real easy.
This thing just walked away, well, walked up in a hill.
I finally got up, uh fell. I crawled back to

(15:59):
my four wheeler and back to the barn with that
four wheeler.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
That was it with White, with all your experiences and
now you said, this was a female that you had
this up close encounter with and she just walked away.
Do you think it would have been different if it
was a big alpha male, Say this was a big
alpha male that you experienced twelve feet away. Do you
think the outcome would have been different at all? Or
do you think it would have went the same way.
I mean, it's hard to tell. Kind of get a

(16:25):
feel for it over the years.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
What do you think the facial features right there, the
facial feature of the female was sort of surprised. It
was surprised to see me as I was surprised, and
it sort of stood there after looking at me right

(16:49):
in the face. It looked all the way down to
my feet look back up. By that time, I just
fell and a male at a different time looked at
me and I had this, uh made a facial feature that.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (17:08):
If you want to scare somebody, you go oooh, you
know you make them make you make facial features. Well,
this thing looked at me and he had a face
you just don't forget. It's it's all wrinkly, is that
eye contact and sort of leans into your check yell. Uh.

(17:30):
There again about twenty feet away, and it just it
just ran away. That one just actually basically ran into
the brush and there again I was I was almost
on my knees shaking. This thing is there's fear. There's
a lot of fear involved when you see this. It's

(17:52):
not just a matter of somebody's saying booz sneaking up
on your scre This is fear, you know, all the
way to terror. And then you start backing off of that. Uh.
I was with another gentleman who we came upon a
pretty good sized male. It just stood up behind a

(18:15):
brush and turned and took off. We turned and took
off in the opposite directions, ran about two three hundred
yards and stopped and we looked at each other and says,
we got guns, you know. But after a while you say, hey,
you know the size of that thing and this little
nine millimeter I got is not going to work, right,

(18:38):
you know? That type of that type of situation was
The outcome was mostly just through it in like a threat,
but there was no noise, just like a facial feature.
Then it was gone.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
They want to control it, and they want to control
the situation. They want to let you know whose boss
I can. I think that's yeah, and show in fear.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
I showed him who his boss was he was.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
I think most people would would would do that. I
think I don't think there's a person alive that would
come twelve feet twenty feet with in front of an
eight foot mail of one of these things looking at
you would and you don't have any fear running through you.
I just I don't believe that you couldn't. That's just
my opinion. But you hear so often Hoye about uh

(19:31):
having like you had your first experience when you were
very young, and then over and then as you grow,
you have more and more experiences and you're in They
say that you can't have a lot of interactions with
these guys over the thing, but you hear often that
the people that have early interactions with them have a
lifetime full of interactions with the Sasquatch. Well, why do

(19:53):
you think that is? Why do you think if that
that initial visit by them, why do you think that
for the rest of your days that you you're you're
able to come in contact with them Because they're so
elusive and they're so hard to come by. But obviously
there are certain folks out there that can have these interactions.
Why why why do you think that is?

Speaker 6 (20:12):
Well, one of the main things is the calving area.
Calving area meaning where they give birth. If if that's
in that area, and you're there and you're there every day,
you're you're just a rancher, you're you know, you're working
right there. They see you every day and like I

(20:36):
like I said, they don't you don't harm them, but
they watch you. They keep an eye on you all
day long and they and then you leave, you come
back the next day and everybody has that feeling. I'm
being watched, you know, but you yourself at that point say, yeah,

(20:57):
I know what it is. He's watching me again. But
I ain't going to bother him moment. I gotta fix
the fence right here where I've got to you know,
I got to do this, I gotta I gotta drag
the field. Those type of things come first rather than nothing.
You know, he's there. But I think it has to

(21:17):
do with the calving area where these things they give birth,
because the place that I take a lot of the
people that come out here is to that one area.
But we don't go down in there at night or anything.
We listen from the top of the ridges. Because this

(21:40):
there's a lot of them in there. It's not just one.
People think one walks around for thirty miles and comes back.
Now there's a bunch in there, you know, just like elk.
You see one, you know you're going to see another one,
and they sort of hang right there during the night. Uh,

(22:02):
We'll let me ask you this. Have you seen them
a cow babysit a cowboy?

Speaker 5 (22:08):
No, I've never seen a cow babysit before.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
Well, next time you're driving out there, like I said,
you got to look for the behavior the behavior of
the cow. You can see one cow laying right there
in the neighborhood, and you can see a bunch of
little calves laying right there, right near the vicinity of
that one cow. That's a babysitter. The mamas are down

(22:35):
the quarter mile a mile away, eating drinking water and everything.
They come back. These things do the same thing. And
that's where we find those little structures in the woods.
They put them in there and they stay there. It's
not a big walled in thing. It looks like a

(22:58):
jail or anything else. It's just some sticks thrown together
and whatnot. And they're left there, and the sitter is
right in the vicinity. So that thing is just stay
right there and sleep there. And they build another one
the next day if you need it, or go back
to the same one, or go to a real thick

(23:21):
brush area, and and that's where they're at. Next time
you're driving down the highway someplace where there's a like
a marshy area, there's going to be a bunch of reeds.
A bunch of reeds in one area. It looks like
that's all there is thick you know. I would venture

(23:45):
in there and have a look you can probably smell
one where you can get evidence as one's been there,
but because nobody does it, you know, well they look
over there. Well there's two marshies too. That's where they stay.
That's where they're at. That's where these little ones stayed.

(24:05):
Them the big ones go eat and they eat a
lot of grass. So I've seen them, uh stack rocks,
and I've and I've seen people. I've seen a couple
of books. Somebody says, well, you know this is a

(24:27):
signal or they got all kinds of theories on it.
But it was muddy when we saw this. We're trying
to get out of the mountains, trying to get back
to the road because it's it's rain. It's raining, the
roads are going to be bad for us to get
out in the truck. And all of a sudden you

(24:49):
realize you see these little tiny stacks of rocks. So
what's going on here? You know something's wrong. You start
looking around, so you approach it. Look you find little
tiny tracks, baby bigfoot tracks running around. They're playing. They

(25:11):
pick up rocks, stack them on top of it. So
they go to the next one, make another one, and
then it hits you. You got to think, okay, this
is a little one. It's like a bear where if
there's a cub there, you better look out for mama.

(25:32):
It's probably in the vicinity, you know, Terry a new one.
So you say, I started looking for that. I said,
there's got to be a place where the the mama
was laying. We look around and sure enough there was
under a tree. There's a bunch of brush. There is
looking from right there watching the little one stacking rocks.

(25:58):
So you exit there ideally trying to you know, get
back to civilization without getting stuck. All right, those type
of things that you know.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
Is why do you think you're able to see these
these the sasquatch all the time? Why are you able
to interact with them? Is because you know how to
follow them, you know how to attract them. You know
how there is Or do you think they have accepted
you in the area and they know you by you know,
watching like you said, they watch, they watch you. Do
you think they know who you?

Speaker 6 (26:31):
I think they know who I am. They they probably
they know him harmless. I mean, you're going to do this,
You're going to be there. And the other thing too
is their behavior. Uh, animals run to human habitat for safety.

(26:53):
These things do the same thing. Uh. We have cattle
out there. We watch all of a sudden the couses
just come running out of the canyon real fast and
run right up, run right up to the ranch house.
They're standing outside and they lay down right there. And

(27:13):
oh the cows came around and came home and they're
laying outside. That's what we see. But why did they
do this? Something was chasing them. They ran to human uh,
for safety, and they lay there and pretty soon they
get up start wandering around, and they wandered off again,
the same thing. So they see me around there at

(27:36):
the ranch house, and I'm they're working all the time.
They see me. Uh, that's a place of safety, you know.
So they can hang out there and no reason a
bother of them. That's why somebody else drives up the
Oh you know, they disappear. They don't run, you know,
for miles. They run up there where they can lay

(28:00):
down and not be seen. And if you look at
it from that point of view, rather than you know,
this thing being such a while that they run off,
you know they're there for safety reasons.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
Well, why do you think that? Why do you think
they hide from others like you. They know you. You're
sitting there, and then someone that they don't know just
walks up and starts talking to you. Why do you
think they're hiding from that person? What do you think
that is?

Speaker 6 (28:28):
No, they don't know their behavior. They don't know their behavior.
They don't see them every day. If you don't see
them every day, you don't know them. You hide from them.
Even a vehicle a lot of times his vehicles just
drive by. He has the public road, so they drive by.
And even turkeys. There's a lot of turkeys out there.

(28:54):
At this last camp we had up there, there was
over one hundred hit of turkeys right next to the camp.
But uh, they don't they don't recognize these people, so
they hide, They go buy, they come back out. Turkeys
do the same thing. They run into the brush. Then

(29:17):
they come back out and start plucking out there in
the field again, and you notice sad behavior. It's just
like the calves, the cows. They do it. Horses do it.
Horses do the same thing. Now, horses run if something's

(29:37):
after him, a bear would go after him, the mountain
lions would go after him. They'll run and they'll make
a lot of noise, and they'll run sometimes early in
the mornings. You see these things are standing next to
the ranch house for safety, m and then they eventually

(30:00):
walk off again.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Did you ever find do you ever realize that do
you have livestock missing?

Speaker 6 (30:07):
That?

Speaker 5 (30:07):
Were they taking any of the livestock at this area
or were you allowing them to take livestock to keep
peace or with anything like that going on?

Speaker 6 (30:17):
No, we don't miss you know, herds and herds of cows. No,
we don't. It's if we do, it's probably to a
bear or a mountain lion. But you can tell from
the kele.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (30:38):
If it's a bear, you know, they'll eat certain parts.
Mountain lions that eat some too, and then they'll move
or try to get it up a tree. But these
things when they when they they come out there, they
don't do that. They come after smaller animals like sheep, goats,
those types of things a lot easier to catch than

(31:00):
the other thing too, is they're nocturnal. They eat certain
parts of the animal so that they can feed. That
did I sight? And you know for those small little
pieces inside a sheep would be ripped open completely, And

(31:26):
how do you you know us as humans, how do
we get inside the sheep? We got one down, okay,
Now we want to get the heart out, but we
want to get the you know, liver. We're going to
get something out like that. How do we do it?
We have to get a knife, to get a tool,

(31:48):
or to do it. A squats What does he do?
He rips it apart. It rips the animal apart, and
find those little things, eat it and be gone. Coyotes
come along. They but as you can tell, because the
arm would be ripped out, not necessarily the arms, because

(32:12):
the arm, if you rip out the arm, it's there's
still a rib cavity, uh there, So they rip the
legs out and then they reach inside and grab the
guts and pull it out. Mhm. Might be sure that
not two g there, But that's that's what I've seen,

(32:33):
not too pg.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
That's funny. Do you think they're a threat to us?
Do you think that they would it wouldn't hesitate to
rip us apart? I mean at a moment's notice. Or
do you think that that's just not in their their
their wheelhouse.

Speaker 6 (32:50):
I've tested that. We've we've seen him out there and
you know, just see one and there's a bunch of
tall timber, and a lot of times you can see
underneath the tall timber, and we say, okay, you know,
keep an eye out for a tree with arms. And

(33:15):
sometimes you see a tree with arms. He's hiding his
head and part of his body and his arms are
sticking at him both sides of the tree. So that's
a tree with arms. We find that, and he's looking
watching us. And you've ever seen a baby, a human baby.

(33:36):
As you play with it, you start to put your
hands in front of your eyes. The peekaboo, they do
the same thing. They stick their heads behind a tree
and they go back to say on the other side,
they're doing that. Okay, what do we want to check?

(33:58):
Can he attack us? Can he take one of us?
Can he take all of us? So we get a
few guys together who can run, and we just get together.
We get up, we start walking towards it. We know
where he's at. You're watching him. How you take a

(34:21):
run at him? That doesn't happen. I don't think it's
ever happened to them. You see a bunch of these
humans are running at you. You're gonna get out and run,
no matter who saw what and then everything, Well, at
least three times that I've seen that, they take off,

(34:42):
they don't, they don't stick around there, and then they
make noises from the you know, a mile away or something,
start making noise and at which point you sort of
prove a point to yourself. He's not really a danger
to us. I don't think he's going to do anything.

(35:02):
And they, I guess, if they're very curious, they come
right up to cars parked at a camp just run
their hands over. Why because it's nice and smooth, they
just touch it. And I don't understand why, but I've

(35:25):
seen it so many times, so you know, to say
that that's a threat or whatever instead of you laying
in a tent over there and sleeping bay to go
to your car and just rub their hands on it.
You know a lot of times people don't even know
it happened.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Yeah, it's very We might have had that happen in
Alabama this past week up at a creepy mountain. There
was handprints left on the car and it's pretty cool,
and like a noseprint on the mirror on his window. Yeah,
perfect nose print with like a tecon. It was pretty cool.
So why do you think that is? It amazes me

(36:06):
that that, you know, people are are there's a lot
of people that fear the end and say that their
bloodthirsty animals and creatures and they're gonna come and they're
going to kill us. And I've just never really run
into that the years that I've been doing it. And
obviously you just you know, said that that you guys
have run at them and they take off. I just don't.

(36:27):
Why do I just why do you think that is?
Why do you think they just don't want to do it.
It's not in their nature or they just want to
stay hidden.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
That's probably correct. Hey, it's not in their nature to
do that. For one thing. Uh, they when they're eating,
they're usually laying in the grass. They're eating there and

(36:57):
there's a deer ten feet away way and he's he's later,
you know, you can see the tracks. There's a squatch
nests deer tracks at the same time, and he grab
a handful of grass and eat that. And the behavior

(37:21):
there's it's like a common thread there that they don't
they just don't grab one. You know. Is as often
as necessary, they will probably do it, but not not
every day. When there's a plenty of feet available, and
then even today everything is dried up, but there's plenty

(37:43):
of feet out there yet. So watch watching there again.
The behavior of cows. Oh a cow, a fullgrown cow
with a cat. We'll defend its calf. When it's a

(38:05):
lot of times they just turn around and sort of
bluff you a little bit, and then they run off
the same thing here. They just bluff and run and
they just hide. And you know that you find that out,
probably have to sacrifice somebody. But we took a chance
and nothing happened, just you know, just to make sure

(38:29):
they can be done. And then the uh, the bull
on the other side, a bull cow, uh, they do
the same thing. They sort of uh apprehensive when they
come near you, and you know, they sort of make

(38:50):
a a threat. The really not a threat, but oh
well they throw up dirt with ther with there their
hoof mm hmm. You see that. Yeah, they're they're warning
you to stay away, but that's a ball, you know.
Then he walks away. It's not in their nature to attack.

(39:15):
The Mexican fighting boo on the other hands, totally different.
You know, you'll get you. That's what they're trained to do.
These these things when you look at them. Uh, it's
nice to look. And a lot of times they say, well,
let's scope there and see what he was. They said, yeah,

(39:35):
it's a squatch. And they want to go up to
the wall and see tracks. I said, you probably can
find tracks. And what I'm doing out there, I don't
follow these things as a tracker. Would they follow them?
Follow them, follow them, and pretty soon they walk in

(39:57):
the circle into things watching them from behind him. Which
what we do is we go out and look for
evidence on the ground in the direction he came from.
In other words, you go back the other way rather
than following him, go back the other way, look for evidence.

(40:18):
You're going to find out where he ate, what he ate,
What is what rock he turned over? Why he turned
over those rocks? There's lots of ants out there. He's
eating ants, he's eating little bugs and everything else. He's
walking along and this is where you find your saliva.

(40:42):
Saliva drops on the ground and you can see on
the ground where it's at on the rock. That's why
just go in the opposite direction. And if they I've
seen him where they come out of the water. I
don't know what to be doing in the water. But

(41:04):
other than I'd have to put my human behavior on
it and say he was taking a bath. But maybe
he was out there trying to catch a fish. I
don't know. But why was he in the water. They
walk walk into the water, probably just to cool off.
There's there's times I go out there it's so dang hot,

(41:26):
I go to the water trough and get all with
this thing. Probably does the same thing in watching that
behavior pattern, rather than you know, trying to chase him
down and everything else. In my pet the younger people
tell me, yo, we chased the squatch. You ran this way,
he went that way. Then you find out and say, hey,

(41:48):
you know, who's the last time you take a drink?
Do you want to be here? You know, that's that's
the behavior you see out there too. They people claim
to chase them and whatnot, when they usually don't. But
a lot of them that I see, I don't. I

(42:10):
don't go up there too. You know, if you see
a squatch, you saw a squatch, he's going to have tracks.
And if you leave some gung behind for you, you
know real quick?

Speaker 5 (42:31):
How big is how big is the hickorya nation? How
big is how big is the territory there. How how
large is it?

Speaker 6 (42:39):
Thirty miles by seventy three?

Speaker 5 (42:44):
Now are there different clans there?

Speaker 6 (42:46):
Are there? They do?

Speaker 5 (42:46):
They battle for areas like you said, like they're a
water must be you know you're in New Mexico. Water
must be very important to them. Is there there? They're
like like battles between areas between clans. Are they all
want big unit? How do they live on the territory?

Speaker 6 (43:04):
It seems like everybody's god does their own thing. They
come together for protection, you know, just like staying warm,
for instance. And there's plenty of water out here. You
won't believe it, but there's a lot of water. We
go up on the mountains up there, we can sit

(43:25):
up there and glass the areas and from Stone Lake,
which if anybody goes out there, you're gonna do see that.
There's at least a dozen ponds in there. One valley
and there's just one valley. You go to the next one,
there's more ponds, windmills, water ponds. Uh like us, we

(43:48):
will earth dams to water or cattle, and they're now
like right now they're filled back up. It's full of
water again. And you just go down the highway you
can see it, so, but they sort of roam around
in the area looking for food. I used to go

(44:11):
out there to those ponds and ride my four wheeler
and go around it and look at it, see if
there's any tracks. And I did find tracks where he
went out there and drink some water and they head
back up into the hill again.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
So you've investigated hundreds of hundreds of cases on the Sasquatch,
hundreds of reports. You have to have one that sticks
out the most. You got to have one that you know,
you like to talk about, the one that's very interesting,
and one that would make folks aware that these are real,
no doubt. Could you share that with everybody?

Speaker 6 (44:53):
Yes, I got I got one. My niece was out
there in a high and we know where the phone
goes dead if they go out so far as your
phone goes dead right here, you know, so you better
call somebody. Let somebody know where you're at. Well, she

(45:16):
stopped at that one spot and all of a sudden,
there's a big chunk of snow that fell on her
in the rear window of the car. Immediately see what
the heck is going on, and they jump out and
they hear the fence. The fence is not too far
away is the winter time, and it went that way.

(45:43):
That's the situation. I finally go out there look at it,
and I find three sets of tracks going in the
same direction towards the calving area. And there was one
juvenile track that sort of stayed, you know, pretty close

(46:05):
behind him. Why not behind him? But as long as
I he walks around. The three of them were walking,
and the one in the center at a strange walk,
like if he was injured. I could not figure that out.
Why is this one walking like that and sort of

(46:28):
sliding its feet so put your finger out like that
and then walking, whereas a normal it's like that. The
one in the center was walking like this. Can you

(46:49):
tell me why?

Speaker 5 (46:53):
I have no idea. Injury to the inner eye?

Speaker 6 (46:56):
Maybe pretty close.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
Hey, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (47:04):
Well, if you follow it now, you got to go
back and look at the human behavior. Look at the
human behavior. And if you see a woman in labor,
is she gonna walk? Oh? Is she gonna walk? She's

(47:25):
gonna slide her feet, sort of spread her legs like that,
trying to walk, or they walk, So two of them
on each side walking like that, the one was doing that.
So I finally figured it out. And so I'm sitting
at home kying of figured out why was he walking

(47:46):
like that? Why you go back out there and say, hey,
there it is in the snow, still walking like that.
But then the snow gets too deep going towards the
mountain and you got to turn back, and I think
keeps going. He went up on the mountain. He said, hey,
he's going towards the calving area. To me, he's going

(48:08):
to have a calf. It's going to have a little one,
and the other two were helping it along to get
up there. That's that sort of sticks out for me.
It took because it took me quite a while to
figure out why I was doing that.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
Yeah, that that's pretty interesting right there, hoye. Not many people,
I didn't sure a heck, wouldn't figure that out. But
it makes one, you know, one or sense to me
and I hopefully to everybody else that, uh, why do
you think the snow on the back of the car though,
why why why do you think they did something to
the car?

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Well?

Speaker 5 (48:43):
What was what was that?

Speaker 6 (48:44):
Just? I think, well, I think that's the juvenile that
did that, just throwing snow because the others were going
through the fence already was already about maybe forty fifty
yards from the road, and the other one was still
back and got some snowing through it in the car

(49:07):
it was and she didn't see anything, looked, it flashed around, nothing,
but just the snow was messed up right here. And
they came up on the highway right here they crossed
it went through here, And once I got that information,
I followed it. When I followed it up, you know,
it perplexed me for quite a while trying to figure

(49:29):
out what's going on, and then walking in that deep
snow something else, and you get up to your waist
and trying to go further and this thing is still going.
It's gotta turn back and say, that's it for today.
Did you get a snowmobile? Come on? What's that? No?

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Let go? You can finish on the snowmobile. I just
gotta question.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
I forget. I'd get a snowmobile and go around to
the other side the next day, find out what's going on.
So you take that information home and think about it.
Then it hits you. It's gonna have a it's gonna
have a calf. And then then it went up towards
the calving area. This calving area, it's not just one

(50:18):
little corner of a canyon. You know, it's a canyon
that's five six miles long, and then you know it's
pretty wide and no traffic in there. There's no roads
in there. Maybe one road, but if you're gonna go
in there, you basically have to walk in there, ride

(50:38):
a horse in there.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
H Is there a time of year that they use
it or is it just random?

Speaker 6 (50:47):
Probably in the spring, in the springtime when it's the
snow mills coming starting to snow starts to take off.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
There is a protected area. Do they have watchers? Do
you notice watchers on the on the at the beginning
of the mondo anything like that.

Speaker 6 (51:05):
No, uh, you can even see it. It's well, you
get off the road up there. You're not gonna walk
that far. You can go up there with snowmobile with
his snows pretty deep up back up in the area,
so it's just back off. People don't go up there,

(51:26):
not for anything, but you know it's cold right right
right the vehicles stuck up there, it's going to be
there for a while.

Speaker 5 (51:36):
A friend of mine just asked, do you ever like hit.
Do they drum on anything? Do you ever hear drumming
or or any kind of mute like a you know,
not a regular wood knock like on a hollow logs
or anything like that around the area.

Speaker 6 (51:51):
Uh No, not not that I know of, or h
around here Doolesey area where I live. Uh we hear
a screech type yell or you know, a real high

(52:13):
pitch scream and it's over. Then the dogs start barking.
So you know, we you know, if you've you're familiar
with these things, and you know where it came from
with us, Well, it's off to the west, it's off
on the south mesa or you know that type of thing.

(52:33):
It goes on and then three people's people's trash cans
get rolled over, and I used to go check those
realize that, hey a lot of these tracks are not
bear tracks, but they already made up to the people
already made up their mind it's a bear. You know

(52:54):
it's a bear, right right, So we said, well, what's
going on? But then you turn around and tell more
is the squatch? And what is the squatch?

Speaker 5 (53:03):
You know, how many reports do you get a year
pot from the area?

Speaker 6 (53:12):
Man I don't know thirty forty this this year. Is
that one guy he lives right under nut. He sort
of lives away from the the big mountain and there's
a small hill he lives and the thing comes there

(53:36):
for no apparent reason because but he used to sell
like a a small business there. You know, he used
to cook burgers and things like that. And they're attracted
to that too, So they come out and look the
place still you know, probably smells like that and nothing.

(53:59):
But ere about a month when I was when I
was pretty sick, he called me, and you know, there's
so I gave sort of give him some directions as
to what he should do, and we followed those tracks
several times. They go right back into the community, go
on the backside of a housing area and walk around.

(54:20):
You know, they walk back out of town. And but
if you listen for it at night, you hear them.
You hear what's going on out there. And that's in Doolecy.
You don't have to go anything special. You don't have
to go out to my ranch or do anything. And

(54:41):
that that's what people think around here is, oh, let's
go look for a squatch over at Hohit splice you know, hey,
they're not They're not going to be there. You gotta
if you're gonna just run a crop upon one, uh,
you gotta put some a lot of miles off, right,

(55:01):
because these things, like I said, they'll hide from me
the car coming, they hide now walking around? What's that? No?
Go ahead, wait, go I'm sorry if you see me
walking on out there every day, you know, and then
they get this, Oh that's wake. You know, he's he's harmless.

(55:23):
You know, you don't do nothing. Oh, that type of
situation is going on here with me. And in order
to see those things, like I say, is you got
to be out there. You just gotta be out there
to look every day. And I walk alongside the river,

(55:45):
we take pictures, come back and look at it later on.
And there's one right there. He's laying right there next
to the water, you know, and you can't when you
see an arm sticking into the water and he's laying
in a brush. I mean, there's there's a squatch there.
Why and you walk right by him, never seen him,

(56:10):
never seen him? People? You know, people do that every day. Yeah. Uh,
let's see, Like I sure another one with you that
is in the city of Farmington. City of Farmington, a
pretty good sized town, pretty good sized city. These guys

(56:35):
were walking along the river. There's like a river walk
they call us. You know, it's got a sidewalk where
people ride bicycles in there and they hike in there.
Something walked across the road. Somebody noticed because it's wet.
You know, something is something dragged. Something was dragged across
the road is information, I guess we look for it.

(56:59):
We on the tracks. We found where they crossed the road,
and hey, this is a squatch almost instantly and he's
just followed through the brush and following through the brush.
I think it was about two three hours ahead of us,
but just to see where he went and the place

(57:19):
called berg Park, we followed it for about a mile
and a half to Red Lobster. Red Lobster used to
have a dump a garbage can right next to the
cliff where the river. The thing would just come up
from the river up there and go through the the

(57:42):
garbage slide right back down to the river and be gone.
And I mean, what can you say? It's there? Right like?
When we go in there, we asked the proprietor and asid,
do you guys have a squatch on security. No, we

(58:03):
never did. We don't. We don't have anything like that.
You got to have seen this one. But you know,
they just won't admit it. It's there in the city,
you know, behind red lobster and people eat there. They
didn't want that information getting out, so you walk away

(58:28):
right right when.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
I find fascinating, and I've never heard this before until tonight,
that you say they have a human side and then
they have an animal side. How did you come to
the realization on that? How do you how do you
how do you come when they switch it on and
when they switch it off? I mean, I find that
very very interesting. How did you come upon that?

Speaker 6 (58:52):
I the guys say you years back, we should We
used to go after him while he walked this way,
and he went down the hill that way. He climbed
over the rock here, you know, and we follow him.
You follow him and knowing that to rain yourself. Uh,

(59:13):
he'll take you for a walk, take you for a walk,
and then like underneath a cliff or something that on
the hillside that's steep, he'll take you under there, and
he'll take you up on the side of the mountain
and he's sitting up there the whole time watching you

(59:34):
walk down there. You finally get up there and start
and he's easy to track. You know his tracks here,
your tracks, then tracks are gone, then go no tracks okay,
And then I mentioned, uh, tracking sticks. You gotta know

(59:58):
how to use the tracking stick in order to find him.
And you just get your pocket knife out and do
some quick carbon and a stick and you can find him.
See where he went. He did not come to stop,
and that's where he's using his animal instinct rather than

(01:00:22):
his human instinct. So he'll lose you like that real fast.
And it's happened more than once. It happens over and
over and over, and you know the terrain. You know
where he's going to take you. It's probably the same
one you're thinking because they've been this way before. And

(01:00:46):
where he goes into the animal mode is you know,
he'll just become one of them as being real quiet
and just staying still, not move and he knows you're
in the area and you're watching, and you just get

(01:01:10):
into that real thick stuff and you can walk right
by him. I did, I'd say about ten feet from
the from the path, and he was laying right there
and I couldn't find him. I could not find him
up ahead, my tracking stick and everything else, and I

(01:01:31):
lost him somewhere. I can't find him, called my buddies,
and we started looking again, and he said, let's go
back and try it again and follow him back in.
Here's the last track. Okay. We put a ribbon there
and started started looking from there, and we call it
going native. He went native on us right here because

(01:01:53):
he hid from us, and we walked right by him,
and then he sort of tiptoed there, you know, being
very careful. He's just like a human being. You'll walk
very careful so you will not make any tracks. But
if you got your tracking sticks and no knower terrain,

(01:02:15):
you can find him. And that's ultimate woodsman. It takes
a little bit of practice, right.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
Yeah, And I'd say years of practice for sure. What
if they use them both at the same time, Waite,
What if they took the animal and the human and
use it at the same time. What do you think,
What do you think their behavior pattern would be?

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Then?

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
What if at the.

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
M I don't know, not at the same time, But
a lot of times it's a survival the survival mode.
The survival mode, and the animal side, you eat a
lot of things out in the out in the forest,

(01:02:58):
whereas a human won't. You know, there's berries out there,
there's different types of plants, grass, a lot of grass
and the different types of grasses. You'll be doing that
as an animal mode. But when he goes human mode

(01:03:19):
on the other side, when they're looking out for you,
they studied you when you come home, if you're living
out there in the woods. A lot of these people
that we visited live alongside the river and they're there
watching and they know when they come home they come home. Okay,

(01:03:44):
I'm in my human mood, I'm watching. And that human
went into the house and brought out some food and
put it down for the dogs, and that person went
back into the house attack run over there. The dogs
will just run off. You steal the food and eat

(01:04:07):
the food and then get back and back hide again,
and pretty soon the human who does that will find out,
you guys are starving. You know, you know, you ate
a whole bag of food here, you know, so where
is it going? I don't see the the meat on

(01:04:28):
your bones anymore. They start reasoning things out when this
thing's already got it figured out, because then they come home,
they feed their dogs, and they run over there in
broad daylight and they get back undercover and they're laying
there eating dog food, cat food, those type of things.

(01:04:49):
They already know, uh, studying the human They already know
that did they get fed? So did they steal it?
And those dogs have just run off and you know
they won't come back for a little while.

Speaker 5 (01:05:05):
How about speaking of the dogs, have there ever been dogmen
seen on the reservation? Have you ever had reports of
the dogmen being around?

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Will?

Speaker 6 (01:05:15):
A lot of reports that I get, uh or squatch?
They say, well, there's squatch who is standing over there.
He walked across here. It did this and did that.
And you go over there and look at it, and
the tracks don't match the it's got fingernails. Oh and

(01:05:38):
you know you you reasoned it out real quick. It's
that fast as you can you can tell that it's
it's a dog man. And like I said, you know,
I walk away from that. I don't leave that alone
beyond me. But it's a squatch. A lot of times

(01:06:00):
a dog man, would you know, cross tracks with a
with a squatch? And I mean literally what, no, no
confrontation or anything, but one would walk behind the other
going in a different direction, those type of things, and

(01:06:22):
you realized that, hey, there's there's a dog men here.
And people have the people that have that have seen
this have drawn it for me and in a sheet
of paper they say it looks like this. They tell
you what it looks like. And the sounds they make,

(01:06:43):
it's almost like a squash they scream, and but that
the long, deep throaty yells they don't do. But it's
like a coyote screaming. And that's the other thing. Uh,
coyotes follow squatches because you go out there and make

(01:07:07):
a uh oh, do a knock, you know, just do
a knock just to see you can get some attention.
A lot of times the coyotes would respond. The coyotes
respond to the knock. It's it's they've got to be

(01:07:27):
following a squatch. Mhm.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Why do you think that is? Why do you think
they're scraps or what they're left behind or they feel safer?

Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
Really a lot of times it's some scrap, not a
whole lot of scrap. Like I said, they don't go
around killing a bunch of animals and everything else. But uh,
the the coyotes do they go out and they run

(01:07:57):
down things, squatsch would them by, you know, see the
situation that you look it over, I guess, but you
see the tracks of the coyote and you see the
tracks of the squats in the same scene, and what
they have in common. I really don't know as to

(01:08:18):
why that happens. But like I said, more than once,
at least five or six times that I've seen that
the tracks are together. But uh, and then there's a
a did fawn, a deer fawn. You know, it was

(01:08:39):
pretty well eaten up, but it's probably a coyote kill.
But you know, there's things like that that I really
can't put my hands on yet.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
There's there's so much I've learned tonight. It's it's pretty
incredible and I haven't heard of most of the stuff.
And the tracking part I I here because of the
different angles we have. I use the snap sticks, that's
what I use, the snap trees to track them here.
The substrate here is so hard. It's hard to find

(01:09:14):
a print here. You can't really follow not even not
even you know, we don't have a lot of moss
or anything or impressions, so you have to find a
different way. Do they leave any of those signs out there,
like with the with the sticks and stuff like that,
Like there's certain directions and any of that go on
out there.

Speaker 6 (01:09:33):
You can find you can find a print, you can
do rocks tracking stick, you can track them over rock.
You can track a human over rock solid rock. And

(01:09:54):
you have two or three guys doing that. You can
pick up the track again real quick.

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
Uh, I'm gonna have to come visit to learn how
to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:10:07):
Well, it's it's you know, it's simple. It's simple, but uh,
a lot of times you need a wide area to
be checked. And if he's making if he's going downhill,
you have a pretty good idea which way he's gonna go,
Where there's cover and whatnot, where there's grass, feed, possibly water.

(01:10:32):
You look at those things rather than the print itself.
And then you get somebody with a track and stick,
and more than likely they're gonna come upon it. Uh,
there's hair. They do leave a lot of hair on
the brush. And when they walk through the brush, there
there's this hair either laying in the ground or directly

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onto the plant.

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
We're getting to the end of the show here, folks.
We got about fifteen minutes left, So if you got
any questions for Hoy, please put them in all capital letters.
I want to say thank you so much for stopping
in tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Hoy.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
I've learned a ton of stuff and Boyd was right,
you were a super guy and we would learn a lot.
So I wanted to say thank you, So everybody capital letters,
if you got any questions for Hoy. What's coming up
this year?

Speaker 6 (01:11:26):
Hoy?

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
A you got you still having your your outing at
your place? Or how did that go this year?

Speaker 6 (01:11:33):
Yeah? We have an outing camp, go out there activities
at night, we go out. We're probably the only organization
was not an organization or family. We feed our people
that come in and we feed him the good old

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balchi stew and fry bread and they sit together, we
talk and then when it gets dark is we do
different activities. We have a ladies night we have then
we would do a lot of walking at night listening.

(01:12:22):
What we haven't been able to do is get a
spike camp. What we'd like to do is get a
spike camp and set them up on the mountain and
have them listen. And my idea is say hey, I'm
not going to abandon them up there. They need to
get into something in case they get scared or whatever,

(01:12:43):
that they can get into a vehicle and lock the
vehicles and get in there and start it up and
make noise so that they be in the proximity of
their vehicles, you know, within a short distance in twenty
yards or so, you can jump into your and otherwise
you'd be sitting outside listening. And we haven't been able

(01:13:06):
to do that because a couple of places we can't
get through. We tried it again this year. We just
all we could do is look at it. Man, that
is bad. Well boys walked up that area.

Speaker 5 (01:13:21):
Yeah, no, he's told me about that here. And I'm
very excited because I've been invited to go out there
next year. So I'm super excited to come see the area.
And I want to see the Petrick glyphs too, because
there's Petrick glyphs on the reservation too.

Speaker 6 (01:13:32):
Correct. Yes, there's a lot, but we went to the
ones that I know that has gone oh pictures of
uh the large footprints on him. And I talked to you,
I was an archaeologist that he looked at one area

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and he says, oh, I know what's what to see
is he says these things and there was four figures.
I believe that was on there. These are squatches right here.
They came from the north over the snow Cap Mountains
and here are the snow Cap Mountains. Here's the river.
They crossed these things here and they showed up here.

(01:14:21):
You know that type of thing. I didn't know it
either until you start talking to these people. They they
can decipher information for a You and I know the
story on that one. So I take people over there
and look at it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
Yeah, Boyd showed me the pictures. I forgot I had
them until you just mentioned I should have loaded them up.
But we got a question for you. Patrick, Nobel asked,
do you think they're flesh and blood?

Speaker 6 (01:14:49):
I believe so. Yes, they are flesh and blood. H
Their hands get cracked and they touch uh trees and
there's blush. Their feet get cracked and they do the

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same thing, walk on rock, running through the trees, and
there's a little blood splatter. You know. Those are some
of the things that said. You know, but it's it's
blood splatter. You send it to somebody. Uh, it's contaminating, right, Patrick, Uh's.

Speaker 5 (01:15:35):
Go ahead, Have you got more go ahead, sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:15:39):
The the uh as far as heaven. If you were
not not real, you know your your toe won't break.
You're not gonna have a broken toe. You gotta have

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you gotta have injury out there. These things are big.
They you know they break a toe, it's pointed in
a different direction. Uh, those type of things are there
most of the time. It's a little finger. And I
can understand why, uh walking around out there. There's times
I had to go out there using poles, uh, walking posts,

(01:16:25):
and you make a slip and you fall down and
you hit their knuckles in the on the ground pretty hard.
And then you see, uh, like next to the water
in the mud, you see these handprints and one fingers off.

(01:16:46):
It's in a different direction. Is that you know, if
it wasn't real, if it wasn't flesh and blood, you
know with with that finger or toe be broken. And
it's just a matter of which ones you find. Uh,

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there's some that has got injury and the knees and
and I can identify that with as you can't get
off the ground very fast as you get that one
leg under you and you sort of jump around on
that one leg and you're standing up straight and then
you got the other leg and start walking. So you'll

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watch the track when they when they get trying to
get off the ground, or they sit down and they
try to get up and their arthritis or whatever is
in their leg where they can't get up like like
a normal one word, just real quick and be gone.
But these other ones know you sort of, oh, my

(01:17:53):
knees hurt. You get up real slow. And then some
of them there the opposite knee or something's wrong with it.
They sort of hop around a couple of times and
you can see the tracks where they hopped, you know,
on the ground and they started walking, but not if
they weren't real you know, whire those like that right right? Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:18:22):
Patrick also asked what do you call them in your
native language?

Speaker 6 (01:18:26):
He didn't say, A big man.

Speaker 5 (01:18:30):
It's a great question, saw eh. Mister greg House asks
do you think that they are drawn to certain people?

Speaker 6 (01:18:43):
They like I said, they're drawn to human safety, the
safety of humans like myself. I'm out there every day.
They watched me and I'm not a threat, so they
sort of hanging on there. Turkeys are the same way.

(01:19:04):
They roost them with barn you know, as much as
you don't want them to if they they're in there,
because you're not going to chase them. And they sort
of look at bond a trusts that develops rather than
oh well, right now, prairie dogs are a problem. So

(01:19:33):
how do you get rid of prairie dogs? You know?
They a lot of people go out there to shoot
these things down, and it's a free meal for anything.
There's a lot of egos because of that. There's egos
that fly in and crows that some people go out

(01:19:54):
there shoot a dozen prairie dogs above gun. They're laying
there and they even these things come flying in and
they're out there, you know, pulling each other's feathers out. Mhm.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
All right, this is gonna we're at the end tonight, everybody.
This is gonna be the last, the last question for
the night, and then we're gonna let uh wait get
on his way. What is the one story that outsiders
should never ask about but must understand to truly respect
the hickorya ap apache Land.

Speaker 6 (01:20:34):
Oh, one of the major things is don't come here
by yourself. Find somebody that can bring you in, take
it to do what you want to do, and you're
on your way because this is federal, oh jurisdiction. And

(01:20:56):
you don't want to get a federal citation traffic citation
for speeding. It's gonna follow you for the rest of
your life. So as well, he's got a federal record. Yeah,
well yes, the size citation for fifteen miles over the limit,

(01:21:17):
it's still a federal citation. That means you have a
federal record mhm. To protect yourself, you know, abide by
the rules and go. And then I think asked the
question earlier which you say, we're gonna have another gathering.
I think it's gonna be in August. We're gonna try

(01:21:41):
for August again, and uh, try keep trying for those
different activities that we want to try. Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:21:55):
Is that open to anybody that wants to to come
and come and and visit or is that just a.

Speaker 6 (01:22:03):
Few it's open? Uh. We actually get your name down
and your name would be on the list game wardens
that come in and they they check it out and say,
we see this all this long lists of people, and
you say, well that one right, there's me. You know

(01:22:24):
you're you're okay, because we get we get their information
and we put it up there. We put it right
on the door of the house, so everybody can come
look at it. All right, Well, anyway, we we got
to get permission just to build a fire. So we
got to do that to get permission to build a fire.

(01:22:47):
Oh and have e MS emergency medical services and law
enforcement there so that you know, we can provide all
the oh, emergency services there.

Speaker 5 (01:23:10):
Coming.

Speaker 6 (01:23:11):
Wait, hold on a second.

Speaker 5 (01:23:13):
Oh my goodness, gracious, I'm coming. Sorry about that. I've
have I got something going down with my eye and
it's I just got like sharp pain in my eye.
I've had four detached retinas, and ever since.

Speaker 6 (01:23:28):
It hurts.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
But anyways, that's I had to close the screen for
a second. Way grim miston agony. All right, Well, I
want to say thank you so much for being here.
It's a great show. Oh my god, hold on to get.

Speaker 6 (01:23:42):
A I gotta stand up. Oh my god, can.

Speaker 5 (01:23:50):
You guys still see me. I'm sorry about this. I
didn't want to end the show like this, but the
only thing I can do is stand up to get
the blood off from my eye.

Speaker 6 (01:24:02):
Here we go here a good s Oh my gosh,
so weird.

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
Sorry about this, everybody. I gotta do, but I want
to say thank you. So much for coming out and
being part of the show tonight. Sorry everybody for that.
Uh and uh, if you wait backstage for a little bit,
I'll be right back and say good night and uh again,

(01:24:37):
thank you so much. Okay, all right, ladies and gentlemen,
White Ballarde, sorry about that, everybody, my uh my, uh,

(01:25:00):
I went there. It was kind of hurting there. So
I am off next week. I am on call for
work the week after. Our guest will be mister Jeremiah
Byron from Bigfoot Society. I'm looking forward to talking to Jeremiah.
We got some things in common. So yeah, what a
great guest tonight. I just wanted to thank you all

(01:25:21):
for being here. Sorry about the end of the show
here I kind of hurt. Yeah, I'll talk to you tomorrow.
Thank you, Yeah, Bud, thank you, and let me get
over to here. And as always, you know what Larry says, everybody,
get in the woods. People see you in a couple
of weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
Best to sleeper. Could I be dead?

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Is it something I have done?

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Did just to think that I was gone?

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Desire? I cannot be myself so much.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
Once in a wild.

Speaker 6 (01:26:49):
I get tired of talking.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
I'm good on the smile and look my alter ego.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Wherever go.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
These days were always show.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
How can I be as myself? Play so much sh