Real American Monsters #18 BFRO Evidence Exposed. 15 Years and 5 States

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Speaker 1 (01:45):
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Speaker 1 (02:34):
Last rise also trees the shot Dot you fall, Sad Fair.
Welcome to the Headland Night.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
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Speaker 5 (03:00):
American Monsters.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Hello, Hello, my friends, and Monster Land Tuesday night, once
again on the Untold Radio Network's Real American Monsters, and
we're back in control. We're back at the Helm for
the next ninety minutes or so, and once again we
will not disappoint. We have two great guests for us
backstage right now, both members and veterans of the BFRO,

(03:33):
mister boyd Omer and mister Dennis Fole. We're very excited
to have both of them with us tonight, and we
both have been on the show before individually and they've
teamed up over the years and had some great expeditions.
So we're gonna hear a little bit more on a
little bit more. So we're glad to have them back,
glad to see everybody's with us tonight. We've been off

(03:54):
for a couple of weeks, this is my busy season
at work. Once that temperature goes down and those boiler
start kicking in, that's that's my cue to get those
calls in the middle of the night and have to
cancel stuff. But anyways, uh, that's what's going on. So
we're glad to be back. I just wanted to mention

(04:14):
something right before we get this show started. Our friend
Don Monroe. I have started a little go fund before him.
The link is in the is in the is in
the bio of the tonight show. Don is run into
some bad luck.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
He was.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Actually robbed of his well being for this winter, supplies
and everything literally, and we're trying to raise a little
bit of money for him. So if you guys can
contribute five ten dollars or whatever, we know it's it's
tough times out there. We know it's a holiday season,
so whatever you can. Don lives in a cabin by
himself in the Montana Mountain, so he's already got snow

(04:52):
on the ground. And so if you guys could and
find a little piece in your heart, please go onto
the GoFundMe and donate it, that'd be very appreciated. So okay,
So with that being said, I'm glad to see everybody.
Remember that we're on Tuesday nights and everybody's here in
the chat room. Good evening, everybody. Uh, the squatch father

(05:15):
himself is with us, mister Alfred Santa Riga. Good evening,
Octopus with no friends, Uh, good evening, I am varax
Oh and we have a celebrity in the house. Butt
Worm is with us tonight. Mister butt Worm is in
the house. Good evening, Misty. Everybody this the chat room
is lighting up here. Good evening, Diane, good evening, Pat, Oh,

(05:40):
good evening, Bud, good evening. Mister Michael Morgan is on time, folks.
Mister Michael Morgan is on time. Good evening, Michael. So
everybody's pouring in. I'm glad to see everybody again. If
you can help out, that'd be much appreciated. Again. Another
thing about don his his uh exhibit, that expedition Bigfoot

(06:06):
Museum has has opened and uh, I'm gonna play a
little clip later on that. Thank you, mister David BAKERA
on that very kind it's a great it's a great
display and it's on for everybody to see who visits
the museum. If you don't know who Don is. Take
a look at this stuff in the museum and you will.
Don's been an adventurer and explore his whole life and

(06:28):
actually found one of the finding members of the handprint
at Lovelock Capes, one of those guys who find the
burnt hamdprint on the wall. So all right, So that's
enough of everything with that, So let's get our guests
out tonight from the bf R. Oh, mister Dennis foll
mister Boyd Gadon Fellas. Hello, Hello, how are you guys doing.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Real good?

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Great, guys, glad to be here. Guy's got stage fright
or what? You're both looking at me like a deer
in the headlights? What's going on?

Speaker 5 (07:18):
All right?

Speaker 4 (07:18):
So I know a little bit about you, and uh,
and some of the folks in the in the in
the audience know a little bit about you. But for
those who don't know who Boyd Homer or Dennis Fole is,
why don't you go first Dennis and just give him
a little small boy, a small small bio but u
and then we'll go on to Boyd afterwards.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Okay, Well my name is Dennis Fole. I've been on
Chris's Great Show before. It's a pleasure to be back.
Thank you Chris, and good to see you Boyd. Yeah.
I've been with the BFRORO since oh gosh, I think
it was two thousand and four. I joined late in
the year, went on an expedition they were holding a

(08:03):
met Mett moneymaker over there. It was in Mescalera, New Mexico,
and had a great time. I met a lot of
really good people and it's just gotten better every year since,
always meeting new friends and making new friends, meeting new
people and just it's just a great experience to be
part of it. Met Boyd in twenty I think it

(08:26):
was two thousand and seven or eight, I think, in
an expedition and yeah, it's uh, we've been friends for
a long time, and yeah, it's it's just been a blast.
And like I said, I appreciate him because, you know,
you kind of get a chance to see uh, you know,
to meet a lot of people and and you know,

(08:48):
follow up on reports and meet good people and just
kind of be all and all involved with the you know,
the research and the big footing field. But yeah, that's
that's kind of me. I live in Colorado and my
wife and I live in southern south central Colorado, and
we're just active in research when we can, you know,

(09:09):
amongst our busy lives. So that's what we do.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
So well, thank you, all right, boyd you're next.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
Hey, my name is Boyd Omer. I know Chris and
I've been on the show one time before. I know
Dennis had done a lot of stuff with Dennis. I
met him I believe two thousand and six, two thousand
and seven in Oklahoma, and ever looked back. I've been
involved since two thousand and five and investigator I believe
in about two thousand and seven with BFROO and hosted

(09:42):
several expeditions, attended way more than that private and official ones.
Dennis and I have attended a whole lot of them
together and still go on active. Got a report just
today out in Arizona. I'm excited to kind of look
into some footprints out in the Navajo land. So there
I'm at.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
I'm in New.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
Mexico and I get up to Colorado. I've been to Washington.
I think I've been to five different states that I've
worked with Dennison here and there, and uh.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Well, that was that was pretty quick. Boy, you got
that down to a path.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
I'm thinking. I'm thinking.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
I actually I met I met Boyd on the New
Mexico trip that I took a few years ago and
met Boyd and myself. We've stayed friends throughout ever since,
and that's how I met Boyd. And I'm not yet
to meet Dennis. But next year I'm hoping to get
to one of these expeditions that these guys are throwing
and get to meet everybody out there. So we had
Hoite Ballarde on the show about a month ago, and

(10:46):
these guys both know Hoight very well. They've done his
they've done his uh outing at his place. So let's
start there. Let's start. Let's start at Hoyt's place, and
you know, let everybody know how you guys organize of
what goes on, and you know, what are some of
the results that you guys gotten over the years at Hoyts.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
Okay, I guess I can speak.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
White Night co hosted his expedition at his place, BFL
Expedition last August, and this will this will be like
coming up this August next year is going to be
the I believe the sixth one over there. The first
one was in two thousand and four. And then there's
a big, huge gap and we started him again. And

(11:30):
what it takes is, you know, people signing on, I
like interviewing everybody over the phone and making sure they're
solid with what they understand what's going to happen, and
you know, if they got questions, we have anice long
conversation before they sign on.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
And Hoyts just heart of gold dude.

Speaker 6 (11:48):
You know, he's been super experienced with all kinds of stuff.
He's the go to guy in that nation to call
when there's something wild or crazy going on. And he's
had his own class as I. On the ranch and
in other places, his sister and all the family and
all the friends come and they cook food for us

(12:09):
and big huge community bonfire. And it's almost a five
hundred acre ranch that is really really beautiful in the
mountains about seventy five hundred feet with trees and open
fields and there's sandstone areas with publo and ruins in
them and actually pottery shards laying around from the ancient people.

(12:32):
We have like a lot of input from game wardens
talking about their stories with the Bigfoot and other things,
and that's pretty much how we run it. I've already
signed on. I think five people already for it for
next year, and we'll have a whole lot of investigators
and repeat people that have a lot of experience, so

(12:54):
that whenever you go to one of these you meet
really great people, You get a lot of experience, you
hear a lot of stories, and get to play with
some really cool equipment that everybody has.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Well, then, why did you get involved with with Hoyts area?

Speaker 5 (13:10):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Were you invited or did you sign up? Nick talking
about or were you like one of the organizers?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, originally I went to the first expedition at Hoight's Place. Well,
it was actually the second one, I think it was
in twenty nineteen, wasn't it, Boyd when were the second
one at hots location? So my wife and I went out,
my wife Shannon and I went out with some friends
and had a great time. We really enjoyed it. A

(13:40):
lot of really interesting, interesting things happened at those at
that place, At Hoyt's Place, it's really, I don't want
to say spooky, just one of those places. There's a
lot of activity in all kinds of realms. That's all
I'm gonna say. You know, Bigfoot related and other kind

(14:01):
of weird you know, phenomena that goes on there. But
we were hooked and the first time we went there,
we just really enjoyed it. And then we went back
when Boyd did the first organization back in I think
that was in was what was it, BOYD twenty two,
twenty three, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
After COVID, Yeah, twenty two came back and I have.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Gone to every single one since because it's just one
of my favorite places to go. Just an awesome experience,
and not just with the activity and the things that
go on around that around his ranch, the history of it,
as Boyd was seeing earlier, is just phenomenal, you know,
the Native American history, the the other stuff that happens there,

(14:47):
the other phenomena and again, you know you a faux
type of activity orbs, all kinds of really kind of
cool stuff goes on around there. So yeah, it's definitely
been a very intriguing place to go to an expedition.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
And so.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
White made a comment when he was on the show
and it had stuck with me ever since. He says
that the statsquatch have a human side and they have
an animal side, and they know when to switch it
and turn it on and turn it off. Did he
ever take you, guys aside while you're out there and
explain to you exactly what he was talking about or
show you when they're switching things off? Because I thought

(15:29):
that was fascinating when he told me about that. He
ever tried, you know, explain that to you guys out there, like,
you know, you know, this is what they're in, you
know what in animal mode. That's so I forgot. I
think that's what he called it. Did he ever mention
anything like that?

Speaker 6 (15:45):
Not to me personally, but now I'm gonna ask him so.
But but I mean he showed me like we went
into the village, you know, that's about twenty miles from
his ranch where he lives, a town a Dulce, and
in next going there's, uh, these things come in and
raid trash cans moved through there and people report them

(16:06):
and Hoyt's the go to guy to call.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
And so.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
I don't know if that's the human side like that
they know that that's that's an opportunity, But I think
the omnivore side of it is, uh, you know, opportunitists,
you know, take what they can and and it's an
easy meal so maybe that's their somewhat human side and
the animal side would be there, probably prey hunting.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
But yeah, I need to have that explain to me.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Got you. Yeah, No, it was very interesting. I couldn't
stop the I even commented a few times during the
show it was pretty I never even thought of a
lot it like that, but it was pretty pretty wild.
So you guys have been working with each other for
fifteen years now, back and forth. Have you guys ever
have you guys come up with like a certain technique
that you both use, Like if when you team up,

(16:57):
do you guys try a certain strategy that you guys
you guys got a room team or do you guys
just go with the area? Do you guys are or
you know, do you have a plan beforehand?

Speaker 3 (17:07):
You know, we just kind of, I want to say,
we do, Like a lot of people do. We kind
of wing it, you know, and you kind of get
a feel for what's going on around there, and I
think we determine it on a daily basis, right boyd
what we're going to do, and you know, we kind
of have an outline of what we want to do
during an expedition, and those are typically three to four

(17:33):
maybe five days, depending on when people arrive. But you know,
for the general expedition, what we try to do is
just we'll put a general outline and we'll have a
plan to go out during the day, do our things,
look around, maybe look for any kind of evidence, go

(17:56):
on hikes, kind of look at the area. But then, uh,
when we go up for what we call our night ops.
You know, we we kind of wing it from day
to day because we kind of you never know, you'll
hear people, some of the expedition attendees or maybe one
of Hoyt's family members say something to the effect of,
you know, we heard a sound up that canyon over

(18:17):
there today. We're not sure you know what that was,
but it was very suspicious and it could have been
one of the squatch, like coit says, one of the squatch.
So we'll change things up on the fly, you know.
And and that's just how you know, our expeditions have
all was gone and Boyd and I do him the
same way. I'll be doing one in Colorado next year

(18:39):
as well, and it'll be you know, it'll be the
same thing. Well, uh, we just kind of wing it
and and go with whatever we feel you know is
gonna work.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
So hoyts Is is a unique place because he's got
his ear to the ground on everything and like like
like Dennis said, we wing it to some of those
reports that are real current and recent and you know,
I've got I've done stuff with Hoyite. Hey, come up
to the ranch. We got something going on, and he

(19:11):
calls me on the way he goes meet me in
Sheep Springs, like clear on the west side of New
Mexico because there's a report or something's going on out there,
and so we're like, we're like mobile, but this will
be happening on his reservation. O. They We actually did
that in twenty twenty two. We had an we did
a night ops over there and had some pretty good

(19:31):
return activity and that was off of a rancher in
his vicinity at his ranch that heard some screams and
stuff of a canyon.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
So we reacted to that and got involved in looking
at that.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
It's a good man and we had a really it
was a really good time talking to him on the
show and hope to meet him next year because he's
invited us out there for the full Monty Come yeah,
come out and film the dancers at night, I mean
the full everything and go camping at the pictographs and
all that down in the canyon there and so lucky

(20:10):
you pass that up. You can't pass that up.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I meant, Yeah, it's a great experience. You won't be disappointed.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
That's the most valuable thing is like, you know, that's
a real gift that not too many people get an
opportunity to experience. Let meet them and being on their land.
And then the petrick Lyft part. He said, probably ninety
percent of their the population of the of the Hookory
Nation don't even know about him, you know, and he

(20:41):
knows where they all are because he's been all around
out there in the oil fields. And luckily last year
we took everybody to it on the expedition. They were
just floored and it was really great, and we'll probably
do it again, I'm sure in August. It's it's it'll
probably be one of our day ops.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
It was.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
It was really fun.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, okay, got it got definitely make it happened. So
you guys did your first expedition back in two I
think as two thousand and six is correct, and that
was when the Oklahoma is that where the first one
was at I want.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
To say, ye six or seven, right, Dennis, I.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Want to say it was two thousand and seven.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Yeah, okay, So where about in Oklahoma where you guys at.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Go ahead?

Speaker 6 (21:23):
Oh yeah, we're hone Nubby O Nubby Southeast Oklahoma, not
far from Texas, fifty miles or so, and I think
it's only maybe eighteen miles from Arkansas.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
Twenty miles from Arkansas way southeast in the chi was
that what was that called a what's the Kamichi Mountains? Right?
Is that right? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (21:49):
And we had oh Man with a lot of a
lot of audio there thermal, but it was infancy at Thermal,
so I didn't really have recorders, but they saw a
movement all backs. I heard samurai chatter there like briefly
on one of the night ops. And then I met

(22:10):
kind of met Dennis. I didn't really do much with Dennis,
but I remember meeting him inside of the cabin that
they had rented for this, and uh, he was going
through some really cool Erickson Project videos and I'm like
looking over his shoulder like, holy cow.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
That's how I met Dennis.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, Dennis is if anybody doesn't know it, but Dennis
he's involved with the the the Ericson project and he's
got some When I went out and we got to
go back and watch the last interview he did it,
we went over some serious crazy stuff. But uh, you
don't come across those those that that, uh that too often,
you know, but once you once you get it, it's

(22:49):
hard to get away from it. And I mean it's
kind of a part of your life.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, it's there's a lot of good stuff out there.
I've been seeing lately, you know, a lot of new
videos and and stuff, and you don't, you know, you
question how much is a I And now we're in
that age where you're just kind of like, are what
we're watching you know, is this authentic or you know?
Or is it real footage? It's it's getting to be
a little frustrating there. But yeah, there's I've been seeing

(23:17):
a lot of really intriguing stuff coming out lately. So
that's pretty interesting.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
But so back did you back at Honubi, did you
guys have private property or did you guys go into
the into the into state forest. I'm not familiar with
with the area, so.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, it was private land. It was a rental cabin,
rental land when I would just say what it was
about an acre acre and a half of land right
off a highway there, Boyd.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
And uh, it was a rental cabin kind of a house,
but it was a ton of it was a ton
of area to set tents. And you know, I don't
remember the group size, but it would probably had to
be at least thirty or something like that, Boyd, somewhere
in that area.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, And I'll tell you what I remember about it.
What what time of year was it again, Boyd? Was
that in the spring?

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (24:18):
I think it was in the spring, or I know
it was in summer because it was cool. I'm thinking
maybe it was more in the early fall.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
I'm thinking I can't quite remember.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
It's.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah. Well, anyways, what I remember about is don't do
not set tents up underneath trees if you're going to
sleep in the in an open field. In Oklahoma, there's
these things called sugars.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
I learned about sugars the hard way. I got eaten
alive that night. So yeah, but it was a great expedition,
And like Boyd was saying earlier, we did get some
record some interesting audio recordings. We heard a lot of
a lot of just at howls and some close ones
and wood knocks and friend of ours Sibylla Irwin, which

(25:07):
I think people know her. She was using one of
my thermals, and I think Boyd had mentioned that earlier.
She was looking through the tree line out towards a
river bottom which was pretty thickly wooded, you know, And
this it was sometime ten or eleven at night, and
she saw a head and shoulders I believe, if I

(25:31):
remember that correctly, of something looking back towards us that
in the dark woods, and she was pretty sure it
was a squatch, but unfortunately I was a it was
a raytheon two fifty D thermal camera, which back then,
I mean it was great image, but you didn't have
onboard recording, so you know, she got to see it

(25:53):
but couldn't share it with us. But she was so
excited because I think that was her first actual sighting
with in the thermal camera. Anyways, but it was great. Yeah,
it was a good expedition.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
So so how is how is evidence handled on a
b f R O expedition? How is a capture like
you get unreal? Unreal vocals? You guys got it on tape.
We got the tape? How how is it? How is
it vetted? How is it handled? How? What's the process
of getting evidence on the bf RO expedition.

Speaker 6 (26:26):
Oh, we we we create like a Facebook page for
our expedition. We'll share stuff like that and data afterwards
or you know, courtly after it. If it's really really compelling,
you know, you get Matt involved and he'll put it
out to the world on Facebook or we will. And
other than that, you know, it's just sort of you know,

(26:48):
it's like the Ohio how that Matt recorded. You know,
that's kind of lives an infamy, uh that. You know,
it's it's on and on, you know, And that's one thing.
One of the tools we use it at Hoits as
we were outside the ranch north of there and we
did a night ops and utilize that and got a

(27:08):
really good response, which I shared with Chris. He'll probably
play it for us a little bit when we get
to that. But I think that's basically it. It's pretty internal,
the photos and stuff. But you know, if it's real compelling,
it gets released.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
You know, right, does it? What kind of a process
that does it go through? Is it like heavily vetted.
Do they have like a group of guys that look
at it and you know, take it in and look
at it first before it's ever released, you know, because
that's the way to do it before you really show anything,
to make sure that what you have is that what us.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah, we have, we had some experts in the group.
We do like if we have something really compelling, as
Boyd was saying, hair samples, audio, video, Uh, there's certain
experts in our group that we can kind of you know,
share that share whatever that may be, and send it

(28:02):
around to kind of our group peers too, So people
within the group can analyze video, audio, hair samples. For example,
We've we've got several experts that we can send hair
samples off to. And of course if we ever collect
what we suspect to be legitimate DNA blood, hair, whatever,

(28:26):
we have places that we can send that off to
have it analyzed. So we do have some resources in
the BFIRO that we utilize.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
So right, it's pretty huge to have that back. And
you know, because you know, the bf RO is pretty big,
and you know it's not for everybody, you know, and
it's a lot of people aren't you know, into the
big groups and some people are just into what they're doing.
But to be organized like you guys are and have
those kind of tools that you're at your hand and

(28:56):
handy to use, I mean, how can you how can
you not use them? I mean you benefit totally from it,
you know. Oh yeah, And it makes a world of difference.
Even even just to have someone you could send a
hair sample to these days is worth it. So that's
pretty pretty cool. Do you think that the bf R
O will ever get to like the paranormal stuff? I mean,

(29:19):
I know they'll they'll talk a little bit about orbs
or anything. But do you think there'll be a b
f r O p you know, you know, paranormal side
of it, or do you think it'll just stay the
way it is.

Speaker 6 (29:33):
I can't speak for Matt Matt, but I will a
little bit. I mean, he he did introduce the orbs
possibility and the sightings of those, and we saw that
at Hoyt's like two years ago. Nothing this last year,
but we did see that two years ago. And it's
pretty wild, and you know, they see it a lot.
And I saw it on a Washington one. You know

(29:53):
that something happened like right next to me in that regard,
and I'd explained it I think before when I was
on with Chris, but you know, like like going much
farther than that hadn't quite happened yet, I don't think.
But you know, they you know, the UFO aspect of
things is there, and it's like in all the news

(30:13):
and you know, Congress and all and you know, and
then if you talk to Hoyt, spend some time with
him and some of the stuff he's gone through, like
actually touching one of them.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
As a kid. You know that.

Speaker 6 (30:28):
Let's get back to the bfro O uh somewhat but
not not full on par nomal.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Right right, I got you.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
It's inevitable. I mean, if you're doing any kind of
bigfoot research for any period of time, no matter really
where that is, I mean, it's inevitable that you're gonna
see something that doesn't quite connect.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
You know.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
That's unusual like that. It's again, you spend enough time
in the field, you'll see stuff that makes you just
shake your head and say, I have no idea what
I just witnessed, but something happened.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
So it's interesting.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
With Dennis and I we met Cindy Doson. I'd met
her before, but we've spent quite a bit of time
with her in her home up in Canada, and she
was talking about the hair. She's one of the analysis
people that analyzes the hair not in the DNA form
but in a microscopic and you know, you can send

(31:31):
her a sample and she'll give her opinion of how
it is. But she said that some of this hair
she gets is almost this iridescent quality to it that
if you move it in light, it becomes clear and
then it changes. So I mean, if you see something
fade out, or you say it goes through a portal
or something, it could be that this camouflage of the

(31:54):
hair that it has in a way could give that opinion,
you know, or that what what a trick to your
eye and that it's kind of shimmers you know that
remember that Dennis when she talked about that. Yeah, and
that I thought that was pretty interesting. But you know,
could explain some of that anyway.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Yeah, Well, you you've seen Barbed Shoop's shimmer video, You've
seen the cloaker there. What's what's your opinion on that?
What do you guys think about that? Because that's some
that's one in a million footage right there. I mean,
and and it's been examined by top of the line
down now. They just had the guy from uh I
guess the Predator movies and you know, talked about the

(32:35):
camera that she was and he's like, there's no way
she could have hoaxed with the camera that she was
using with with the camera in this pretty co What
do you guys think? What's your opinion on that?

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Good boy?

Speaker 6 (32:52):
You know, it's it's wild looking, you know, I don't know,
like who knows, you know, I mean, I don't you know,
And and and the vetting and stuff. That's what's really
important with all this stuff is like you know, you
throw it out there, you're gonna get like left, right,
center and top of everybody coming at you like analyzing it.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
And that's a good thing.

Speaker 6 (33:14):
You know, it's a really good thing because and that's
where our group and bf ro O can look at
that stuff.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
You know, and if you before.

Speaker 6 (33:21):
You're gonna dangle it to the world, you better be
like like sending it to everybody you know that has
a thought on it.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
That's that's my opinion.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
You know, I agree with you, you know, Chris, I
when I first got into this, I'm pretty much flesh
and blood just as you know. There's nothing there's nothing
really magical about them. But over the number of years
have been doing this and the experiences I've had, there's

(33:54):
high strangeness when it comes to things that you know
that surround this subject. And I just one thing I've
learned is when you think you know it all, you
certainly do not know it all, and you get schooled
every time. And I saw the footage, I wouldn't begin

(34:15):
to even understand what the heck was going on there.
I don't know, nor am I going to make any
kind of educated guess at all. But again I've had
experiences that all I can say is, you know, we
just don't know everything that there is to know. That's
all there is. The world is a bigger place than

(34:36):
what we think it is really is.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
So I agree with you too. You just don't know.
I mean, you see what's on the screen and you
can make up your own opinion and that's it. You
can't say that any of this stuff is related to Bigfoot,
any of the stuff, the weird stuff. It just happens
while you're out looking for Bigfoot, you know what I mean.
And these orbs pop up and it just happens to
be you're out in the So what if you were

(34:58):
out looking for an art arc and these orbs are
coming out, would you contribute the orb to an ard mark?
I mean, I mean that's try and sign's kind of stupid,
but it's kind of true in a way, you know
what I mean. So yeah, you got to take take
the evidence where it leads you and and try and
figure it out and vet it. Just like we got

(35:18):
these vocals recently and we've vetted them. We we put them,
put them out there for uh uh and had them
looked at and they came back, you know, ninety nine
point nine percent they think it's a sasquatch, their sasquatch
just making the vocals without seeing them. David Elvis came
back and sent pict you know, the the pictogrants, spectagrams.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
And all that.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Yeah, and he's he says, there's three individuals there and
in northwest Connecticut, and uh but we didn't release them
until we knew we've edited them. And that's important. I
think that that's another thing being with the bf r O.
It's important to keep BFO has a high standard. I
mean it I mean, they don't just you know, bark

(36:02):
at anything, you know what I mean, And there's nothing
wrong with you.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
We try to we try to maintain a standard. But
you know, remember we're a group of people from all
over the US. We're basically volunteers, all kinds of different
walks of life and experiences and professions and and outlooks
on the subject too. You know, you have some real diehards,
and you have some who are very skeptical, and the

(36:29):
whole spectrum in between. And you know, but it's good
to have a group like that because you can bounce
things off of people and and try to get a
good critical, you know, outlook on the things you're trying
to analyze, whether it be audio or video or you know,
it's hard to say that when it comes to genetic

(36:50):
samples like care samples or blood or skin, because that's
in a realm in all its own. But audio, we
have a we have a number of experts in audio
in the group, and and those certain things like that
are hard to uh, you know, that's more scientifically based.
But when it comes to other things like orbs, I've
seen orbs, I can't tell you again what I've seen them.

(37:12):
In multiple occasions. They're there here. How do you explain that?
I don't know. But it's great to have this group
of people that we can bounce things around with. And uh,
you know, it's it, it really is. That's why I've
been a member of the BFRORO as long as I
have been. It's it's just a great group of people.

Speaker 6 (37:31):
So yeah, same same here. And then I have resources
just just outside. They might not officially be in the
VFROO or investigators in the vf O, but they're well
known to us and they do activities with us, and
and they're a great resource for like audio visual and
and if I'm going to do a report, I always

(37:52):
get people involved in have done many reports and and
bounce it off them to see what what I'm missing,
you know. And I've had a real good resource in
Kirk Brandenburg up in the Pacific Northwest and he helped
me with one of them. And you know, hey, ask
about the moon, you know at that night when he
saw it, Like you can go back in time and

(38:13):
look where the moon was and see if this witness
like oh yeah it was a full moon or as
bright or as dark, you know, and that it's more
vetting that you can do, and that's very helpful.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah, and you're learning. The process is learning. You have
to keep on learning in this subject because nobody knows.
Nobody knows what the bottom line is, you know what
I mean. They cannot say one way or the other
anything anybody, you know what I mean. And like you said,
it's good to have a group of folks bouncing off.
I have a group of friends that I can bounce
off of. And yeah, no, I agree with you. I

(38:46):
agree with you.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
So you guys have been on quite a few, you know,
expeditions over the years. Is there one that stands out
that both of you remember very well? Like crazy, crazy
expedition you guys went on, you know, had a ton
of activity, and if you can tell us where it
was and when it was and all that, please, I'll

(39:10):
go first.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
Go ahead, Dennis, your first, Dennis, Well, I was just.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Gonna say, of course, aside from Hoyt's place, which has
been phenomenal, we've got a location in Colorado that has
always been really productive when it came to activity, and
we're going to be revisiting that this coming year. But
it's one of those one of those unique places that

(39:37):
we stumble across. And I think I had gone up
there in two thousand and seven due to a report
that came into the to our flats, to our database,
and I followed up on that talked to the gentleman
who submitted who was a hunter. Him and the son
were up hunting up by oh Gosh, Boat Springs out

(40:01):
in the mountains near Steamboat Springs of Colorado, and he
he said that he had witnessed a set of tracks
going across the edge of this large opening, this this
big meadow in the in the trees, and he said
it didn't look like elk tracks, that looked like human tracks,

(40:23):
but they were gigantic and they were just going across
freshly fallen snow. And him the sun had split up
that morning to go hunt two different areas well, so
he discovered these tracks while he was by himself. And
later on that day he met up with his son,
and his son said, Dad, I gotta tell you, I
was sitting on the edge of this meadow way out

(40:45):
over here, and this thing came out of the tree line,
walked along the tree line and went back in. And
he said it was red in color, like like you know,
just a an orange, just like an orangutang type of red.
But it was walking on two legs. It looked enormous.
It's covered in hair, and like I said, it just
came out of the trees and went back in. So

(41:07):
due to that report, we decided to go up there
and check out the area, and we had no idea
how phenomenal it was gonna be. Over the years, we've
had a lot of expeditions up there, and now a
lot of other people have been up there as well,
you know, once it got discovered, and it's been kind
of kind of hit, you know, with a lot of groups.

(41:29):
But it definitely is a very interesting expedition location that
never disappoints. So I think that's just one of the
ones that, you know, I'll always remember. There's been several
of the initial expeditions that were just phenomenal. All kinds
of activity, vocalizations, wood knocks, sidings, voices being heard in

(41:53):
the trees, you know, things approaching tents, all kinds of
just just really bigfoot activity. So anyways, go ahead, boy.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
Yeah, the one in Oklahoma was pretty fantastic for me
kind of and I think that was my second official
BFRO expedition.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
So you know, I was like a real newbie at it.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
But we had baseball sized rock thrown at us at
night while we're talking in front of that cabin and
there's like a single light on it. And this after
a night op, so it was about midnight. This rock
comes crashing through the trees and rolls right up to
her feet. Had a young girl, I think she was
seventeen with her dad and she's sleeping this really cheap,

(42:39):
little one man pup tent that her dad couldn't even
fit in with her. And she had a bag of
apples out there, and apples got manipulated and moved around,
and then something was dropping stuff on top of her
tent and you saw footprints outside of it.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
Also after night ups.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Oh I'm sorry, boy, didn't it push on her tent
as well? Yeah, it pushed down on her tent in
the middle of the night.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
Yeah, and it was real close to where Mike. Mike
and I were camping in that wall tent and we
were near it.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
Then we did a night.

Speaker 6 (43:11):
Ops and we'd come back in and we'd come to
the main cabin and these this two women, one of
them was Native American and she'd had a i mean
face to face encounter as a kid at the age
of twelve or in the same area and her those
two were staying at a cabin that was maybe five
miles away that they had rented. So it's on the

(43:32):
same stream that our cabin was kind of above, but
there were maybe five miles down the road. Well, they come,
they laughed, you know, and they come tearing back in
in their car, just upset like crazy, like this roar
happened to them when they a situation when they're getting
that out of the car, they forgot something in the car.
They went back to it and the same roared and

(43:53):
broke over a tree like right in front of them.
And this middle of the night, probably twelve thirty one
in the morning, you know, like they have that happen.
So there, we're not going back to that cabin without somebody,
and somebody better bring a gun, you know. And so
Mike and I went back over there, and and Ron
Bowles was there and one other gentleman and Ron, we

(44:16):
kind of examined the are we find a big sapling
that had been broken. It's probably eight inches ten inches around.
It was just snapped off right in.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
Front of the car.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
Ron did a vocalization and we call him Robo Ron.
He's a he's got a he's a big dude and
he can really belt it out. And this thing responded
to him like like it was tenrons and it was
pretty far away. And then there was a deck on
that cabin and I went underneath there just to with

(44:47):
my big bright white light this time, not my little
red light, and it was smelled like crazy and er.
I think the thing was probably living under there, and
these women that rented the cabin kind of disturbed it. Know,
that's my opinion of it. But we had paralleling. That
was where I heard samurai chatter. We had like right
when I pulled into the cabin day one, I think

(45:10):
it was a Wednesday. We had all kinds of chatter
going on, and these three things were communicating with us,
one way out on a mountain, one kind of down
in the bottoms, another one and it sounded like you're
in a zoo. There was a whoop to it, but
it had this loop at the top that sounded like
a monkey to me. And that was Oklahoma for me.

(45:33):
That was a pretty pretty wild time.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
So you guys took a motorcycle trip together. You rode
off the way up to last go on bikes. Were
you guys doing squatching on the way up, were you
guys investigating on the way up or was that just
strictly a ride of a lifetime.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
We had to get away from the squatch and so
we just got on the bikes and roads.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 6 (45:57):
It was like, basically, you're doing probably our averages around
five hundred miles a day for the time we're on
the on the bikes, and we thought about squatching. I
brought a thermal with me, but basically we're kind of tired,
like every day, so you just kind of crash, you know.
It's like but it was an amazing, amazing ride. I

(46:18):
saw thirty three bears, like six grizzlies. We saw wolves, foxes,
countless eagles, muskos, even it was amazing.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Mosquitoes.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
Mosquitoes, see this, they're this big.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Get you get off the bike to your front half
is all mosquitos. In the back half as regular clothes,
you're all camelfied bugs.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
So here here's a routine to camp.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
Right you you stop the bike, open up the saddle
bag before you take your helmet off, get the spray out.
Just start spraying, and then pull the helmet off, spray,
put the mosquito net over your head, started assembling the tent.
Once it's kind of up, you throw all your stuff
in the tent, immediately get in there, zip and then
inflate the pad and put out your sleeping bag. And

(47:09):
you never leave it, you know, because because you're going
to get attacked. That was Alaska.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
It was a trip of a lifetime, Chris. I'll tell
you it was phenomenal. I if I was to do
it over again, I wouldn't go because we've been there,
done that. But to say that we did it, and
I did it with a good group of friends. It
was the thing of a lifetime. Really really enjoyed that.
So yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
See that's another great thing about investigating Sasquatch. You make
great friends, Yeah, do other things than just sasquatch. And
then it gets you out in the wild also too.
And like you said, you're seeing bears and eagles. Most
people never see that in their lifetimes. And if it
wasn't for the Sasquatch, you guys would have never met
each other, You would have never gotten those bikes together,

(47:58):
You would have never made that trip, and so the
Sasquatch is just a little bit more than you know,
a cryptod that's walking our forest. It has a little
a little extra kick to it to you know, a
little little binding issue. I don't know how to explain
it totally, but.

Speaker 6 (48:12):
You know, you catch that's how that's how I met you, Chris,
and then that's how we know each other. And it was,
you know, not that long a time we spent together.
But like Dennis and I, we know, we know people
all over this country now. You know, I'm met you know,
down in Florida. Now we know people Wisconsin now thanks
to just a hike in the local mountains here and

(48:33):
some interaction, and then I know tons of people Pacific,
Northwest California, Oregon, Texas, you know, Colorado, great people, everybody.
I've never met anybody like I don't get along with.
I'm kind of easy going myself, and so's Dennis. But
but I mean, it's it's solid, it's fun and everybody's

(48:54):
it's just a great fun activity to do. Plus what
an interesting subject.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Right Yeah, yeah, sorry, Chris Trure statement was never made. Chris.
You meet, you meet a lot of people, and uh,
you make a lot of really good friends for life.
And I think part of it is is because you
get the weirdness out of the way of a subject
like Bigfoot, and if you've all agreed that that is

(49:21):
something to uh, you know, be friends over and explore
and learn about, I think that kind of takes down
a lot of walls for people. So it's, uh, it
is a very true statement. You meet a lot of
people that you make friends for life, so kind of interesting.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's awesome. And I've made a lot
a lot of good a lot of great, great friends,
a lot of good people. I mean, I just uh,
and well, there's another side to it, but we won't
go into that side because we're on a good note
right now and we're going to keep on that, okay.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
So, so.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
A lot of people think that there's a danger to
the Sasquatch. They think that it is dangerous going on,
and you've heard of that. You've heard of these accounts,
and you've heard you know, people and uh running and screaming,
and you know, never I've had those moments myself. I've
had them myself. And then but at this point, I've

(50:20):
been doing this for eleven years now, and I don't
really think that they're out to hurt hurt folks, and
I think more folks would be get involved with it
if they thought differently of these things. What would you
tell people? Now, that's what I would tell folks. I
would just say, I don't think they're here here. What
would you tell a newbie trying to wants to join
the b F R O. And what would you guys

(50:42):
explain to them what the what the group's about? And
uh what what to expect? And how would you treat
how would you treat a newbie into the subject?

Speaker 5 (50:53):
Boke okay?

Speaker 6 (50:55):
Well, and our in our garden, we get a lot
of newbies come out on the expedition. I just signed
on like three, and they might get more. And they're women,
right and and you know they've got a lot of concerns.
And one thing is we carry radios. We insist people
carry radios so they're in contact. Also, you don't go
out on your own. You sign out of camp, and

(51:18):
in the Hick area you have to have like a
native with you.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
You can't just like leave.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
Because of the trespassing issues there. But in any other
one we do groups, you know, and everybody does headcounts
and try not to go out on your own for sure.
And and I think that would be in any case.
I mean, you could run into bare mountain lion, you know,
any anything could happen to you out there. You break

(51:44):
an ankle, you know, fall down, you know, knock yourself out,
something could happen. It's better to have people better, have
some kind of communication and in reach or something like
that with you. I mean, I think one of this,
some of these missing people might perhaps be in a
relationship to this this uh thing, and you're sitting the

(52:09):
wrong place at the wrong time, and you know, that's
that's how I feel. But we do, you know, keep
people under our wing, so to speak, especially new and
and the people that are real, real rural experience with
you know, hey, you're no hero, just you're going with

(52:30):
a group, not yourself.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
You know. Yeah, yeah, I would have to say, Chris,
I've told people over the years that as long as
I've been doing this, you have to be open minded, obviously,
but you have to you have to approach the subject

(52:54):
with a good amount of respect. With what you're doing.
You're in the wilderness, you're dealing with wildlife, whether that's
a sasquatch or bears or mountain lions or other known
animals out there. You have to you have to take
all of that into account. And again, you know, you

(53:17):
you have to have a lot of respect for for
the outdoors, for the environment, and most of all for
you know, the these these sasquatch, for the for the bigfoot,
because you don't know what they're gonna do, you don't
know how they're going to react. I mean, you know,

(53:38):
most of the vast, vast majority of our experiences have
been very benign, and there's not been anything that was
life threatening that I could ever say I've experienced. But
there's been a few moments and a few times where
I know I was close to them and something inside

(53:59):
you tells you when it's time to turn and leave
and go and to give them space and give them room,
and and to quit pressing into an area or quit
pressing a group that you think you're dealing with. So
it's it's just one of those things that you you
have to you have to just approach with with that mindset,

(54:25):
just just you know, don't take anything for granted. They are,
you know, they're highly intelligent. If you believe they exist
if you've had interactions with them, you know what I'm
talking about. But you know, they can hurt people, and
I've heard rumors. It's not often, but I've heard rumors

(54:48):
where they have. But the people have also pushed things
to a point where you know, you almost can't blame
them for it. So but when it comes to that,
the vast, vast majority of these encounters, our expedition locations,
our experiences have been very benign. You'll hear things, you
might see things, you'll smell things, sometimes sasquatch, and but

(55:16):
beyond that, it's it's not life threatening or you know,
something that puts you in danger. The expeditions can get
a little hairy for new people or I mean, no
pun intended, but they can get a little scary for
new people because you know, you never know what's going
to happen. But sometimes things really break loose and people.
I've seen people just melt and freak out, and you

(55:40):
got to tell them, hey, you know, collect yourself, get
yourself together. We're all here, no one's been hurt. Just
just take time, go back to camp. Relax. But having
said that, Boyd and I both I've had a few
of my expeditions where we've had people just rip out
of there and leave because they got too I don't

(56:01):
want to seem scared, but just troubled about what was
going on.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
So she seen it a few times, you know, and
it's kind of rare, and they probably didn't lean on
us enough. But you know, there's only a certain point
that people can take, you know. Like and like my
daughter came on one I think she was fourteen or fifteen,
and she was absolutely freaked out about it. And this
is up in Washington State, and I took her on
a road walk. It's just me and her, and we

(56:27):
we had a light and red light and the radio
and we're gonna walk to about a mile and a
half to this other camp. And she's just so frightened
and oh, calm on the radio, go we will when
we get close, you know, turn on the light. No,
we don't need it, we can see, okay. And then
then she meets all the guys that are doing all
this stuff and all the people doing it, and then

(56:48):
she got not fearless, but she got really into it
and this is so cool. And then one morning I'm
out looking for tracks out on the road. I like,
I like early light and SI light to look for tracks.
And I come back into camp and my daughter's not there,
and I'm like, where did Athena go? Oh, she went
out looking for you.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Oh boy.

Speaker 6 (57:08):
So I started walking back out to the main road.
I see this little subaru come bouncing into camp, and
Bob Gimlin's driving the subaru and my daughter's in the
right seat, doesn't know anything about who this guy is.
And he was coming to visit us in our camp.
And I ran into this young lady and and she said,
my dad's a into the bigfoot stuff.

Speaker 5 (57:29):
I know where you're going, young lady. Come jump in
the car. I'll take you.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
But I mean that like just taking people in your
wing and making sure that they haven't out and a
way to talk. But I have seen people, like Dennis said,
just get so wigged out they leave. But it's really rare,
really really rare.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Yeah, there's the thing. It's one thing to believing that
they're real. It's another thing knowing. And when you first
when you first are out there and first you find
out that they are real, and they're right there twenty
feet from you, and you're looking at one life changer.

(58:10):
It really is I mean, you never look at the
forest the same ever again. Ever again. I'm seeking personally,
I mean, might be different from others, but I have
never ever looked at it.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
I'm sure again, I'm sure Dennis will agree with me.
Like so many of the people you interview have had
these like terrifying experiences. But the people that reach out
to us and talk to us about their experiences and
their reports and all, like, probably probably a good eighty
percent of them want to see it again. And that's

(58:43):
White right there, you know, like he was so terrified
of what happened to him. You know, he literally went fetal,
wanted y all, wanted to run, he couldn't, and he's
so close to one in the daytime. But now what's
you want to see is see it again, you know.
And like other there are some people that'll never go
in the woods again, but that most of them want there.

(59:03):
It just peques the interest. And I'm like, god, I
want to you know, like that's me too, what I've seen,
and I want to see it again. And I want
to see a daytime you know thing that is real clear.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
That's me. I want to see it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
The one thing, Chris, I have to say about that is.
And I'm sure Boyds had his own interviews, but you know,
being part of the BFRO will get reports to come
into our database. I had a lot of Colorado stuff, right,
But when you I've talked to several hunters over the years. Now,
these are hardened guys. These are guys that hunted their

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whole lives, right, familiar with the woods, knows the wildlife,
knows what they're doing out there. They're not rookies. I'll
never forget a man he was in his sixties at
the time, and I met him after he submitted a
report uh this up in Fort Collins, and he was
talking about an experience that him and his son had

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while they were up hunting the prior season the previous year.
And my wife and I sat across the table from him,
drinking coffee, and he was telling us about his experience.
And it was Chris. He had to unload, He had
to talk about it to somebody that would listen, because

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what happened to him so basically shook his entire world.
His whole paradigm of existence had changed. Right, everything he knew,
Everything he knew he knew, no one could ever tell
him any different. There was no such thing as bigfoot
or you know, UFOs all this other stuff. His whole life,

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he's been in the woods and he's been hunting, never
seen anything until that one time. And he told us
about how he had been hunting that prior year with
his son and this scene came into their camp, circled
their camp, screaming and sounded like a woman, and you know,
being being murdered, just screaming, bloody murder. Wasn't a mountain lion,

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wasn't a cat, left bipedal footprints all around his camp.
Scared him and his son to death. And I believe
it went through one of their trash bags they had hanging,
and he had a glimpse of this thing. But he
said everything that happened that night destroyed his whole view of,

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you know, the wilderness of being outdoors. And so he
told me, he says, Dennis, I don't know if I
could ever go hunting again. I said, yeah, you can. Said,
They've been out there your whole life. You just have
not had that close an encounter. You just not have
not had that experience, or you rode it off to
something else like it was some known you know, you

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hear a sound. Oh, it had to be a bear
or a mountain lion, or was another hunter. But you
just refused to or you just didn't recognize what you
were looking at. Right, So in this time and that
that particular occasion that changed everything, because undoubtedly it was.
It was nothing like he did ever experienced. And it

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came right into his face right that night, and he said, uh,
through tears. He was telling me, I don't think I
could ever go back out Honey Again, I said, yeah,
you will. Just just keep doing what you're doing because
they're there, and you know, we can live side by
side with them. Just give them their space and you
take your space and give them a lot of respect

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in room, and you'll be fine. But when you talk
to somebody like that, and I've talked to several several men,
particularly the men, because they're you know, they don't they
don't like the min's words, right, But when you talk
to them and you look at them in the eyes
and you look at their face, it changes their whole world,

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their whole life. So you can't you can't tell anybody
who doesn't know what's going on with this, you know,
you try to tell them go talk to that man
and and and tell him Bigfoot doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
So it's definitely, uh.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
Some of them, Yeah, some of the some of the
interviews we do, it's almost like you're a therapist, like
you hear you're hearing them out, and they're pouring their
guts out to you, and.

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
And they they're like so h confused.

Speaker 6 (01:03:25):
Yeah, and they're like, that doesn't exist. There's no way.
I'm a scientist or I'm a doctor or I'm a
in my regard. I had one like he's like real
high level guy, you know, and he's like, that doesn't exist.
And I couldn't sleep for three days and he was
like calling me like all hours, like I can't sleep,
but I gotta know what it is and what is it?
And I go, I, you know, like here's myfe a

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little bit of theory, but and there's a lot of theories,
but like I, it's just really bothered him, you know,
and it doesn't exist. It shouldn't exist. It's not verified
or known by the over and I go, maybe it is.
You need to reach out. And he actually did reach
out to somebody he knew, real high level government and
they came back and said, yeah, that internally they've acknowledged

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it since like the early seventies, and and uh, they
just won't won't let it go, you know, out there
in the public because of the implications and the cost
of what it would do if that happened, you know,
and that that's that's wild, you know when you have that.
But but we comfort people and what we talked to
about it, it's kind of kind of interesting to do that.

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And I mean, that's a brave person that even reaches out.
And then how many don't get reported to BFRORO.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
You know, like lots.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
You know, it took me seven years before I felt
comfortable in the little forest again. But I didn't stop.
And my wife always asked me, She's like, you don't
enjoy it, you come back, you're scared, but you keep
on going. And you keep on going, I said, because
I got to find find out what's going on. Need
to know. I need to know. And then after seven years,

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I finally got comfortable with knowing enough of how they
acted and what they did in the forest to kind
of come at peace with myself and not freak out
all the time, you know, But I'm not I'm not
gonna lie to nobody. It was tough for me for
a while because my first experience was hoffed on the
side of my face through the tent and I see

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my hair just stood right straight up on my arm
just saying that, and it's just still to day. It
shook me. And my wife doesn't go in the forest anymore.
We'll not go in the woods because of all this
stuff happen. So every like you said, everybody handles it
different and there's there's no real way to to really
handle it once you find out that they're real and

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until you come, until you come, I guess with yourself,
like you guys are saying, until you come to grips,
find ful when you can talk to come grips. So
if anybody's struggling like that, that's listening. You know there's
groups out like these guys BFRO. You can reach out
to these guys. There's other people you can reach out
to and they'll be more than happy to talk to
you about your your your interaction and try and help

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you the best they can to feel comfortable again, because
isn't an easy thing. And and but there's people like
Boyd and Dennis out there that you guys can you know, turn.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Yeah, I can. I'll have to honestly say that. The
only thing I'll ever tell people who bring that question up,
you know, do they really exist? Are you sure?

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
All those cameras out there, all those phones, how come
there's not better video and blah blah blah and bodies
and hair samples. I know, I believe me, I know.
But for the skeptics and the people who want to know,
which Boyd and I both, and I know all the
other investigators who hold expeditions, you'll get a couple three

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on every expedition that's there to try to answer that
question for themselves. You know, do these things really exist?
Is it possible?

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
And I'm there. They're there to answer that question for themselves.
They want to see if there's really anything to it,
and they often come in very skeptical, skeptical right, But
in the in the long run, you all you can
tell them is just go just be there, be out

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in the woods and see for yourself. A lot of
times nothing happens, but there's gonna be that one time,
that one time that'll change your world. It'll rock your world,
it'll change everything you think you believe.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
So yeah, all right, guys, we're gonna we're gonna take
questions from you guys in the chat room. So in
all in cap letters, we're already, uh, we're already at
a hour and fifteen boys. Just like that, we're gonna
have to have you guys come back again because we
didn't even get to any of the stuff that we
got loaded up. Yeah, you know, conversations like this need

(01:08:00):
to happen more often because you know, people need to
Like you said, when you when you're when you're with
a group like you're the b FRO, you're with a
group of your friends, you guys are all it's all
about Bigfoot. There's no doubt in your minds that Bigfoot
is real. And that's what it's all based about. It's
all based around the big Foot and trying to figure
things out and then and that's that's a good part

(01:08:22):
about because these guys are real. There are one hundred
percent real, and there's everybody in the chat room can
tell you that. The people that are listening can tell
you that some of the folks listening, these two up
above me on the screen can tell you that they're
one hundred percent real. I can tell you that on
a hundred percent real It just needs conversations like this
need to happen more often.

Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
In my mind, I see Sabila in the chat. You
better come to Hoyts this year. You're invited.

Speaker 5 (01:08:51):
I thought I seen her earlier in the chat with
you guys sketching encounters. Yeah, I see that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Yeah, I didn't see her pop back up. I was
going to tell you yeah, no, yeah, anybody that's got
of questions all in cap So what's coming up this
year for you guys? What do you got to come?
Where the expeditions that are coming Jennis, Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Well, we're going to be doing Colorado Expedition twenty twenty six.
I'm gonna be in. I think it's going to be
the end of June, June eighteenth through twenty second if
I remember correctly. It'll be on the BFR website. But
we're going to be doing one there in one of

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our favorite locations. Hopefully Sabella can make it, and of
course all of our friends and you know, the other
expedition attendees that's gone there for many years now. We'd
love to see everybody and all the new people who
would love to come because it's a great location. If anything,

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you spend a weekend. If we have no activity, which
is highly unlikely, but if we have no activity, it's
a beautiful location to camp in for a weekend. It's
a Thursday through a Sunday, so but again it's on
the BFROL website. I'll be there, my buddy Mark, Mark Taylor,
another BFROX leader, and one of our new guys, Richard

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Morgan's going to be there, and as well as all
the other crew. So we'd love to see new people
and have all of our old friends and repeaters come
again too.

Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
So and ours is going to be back at Hoyts again.
Hoyt and I are hosts and another one. It's going
to be August twentieth through twenty third is official. It's
like a Thursday through Sunday, but you can come early.
We're probably going to be in there the Monday before,
so I don't know they'll be like the nineteenth or
the twentieth.

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
We'll be in there.

Speaker 6 (01:10:49):
Just hook up on BFRO dot net and get a
hold of Carolyn, the secretary, and she'll link you with
me and I'll talk to you on the phone and
tell you all about it's going to be near dulcein Mexico.
Just a gorgeous area. You'll meet people will feed you
real good. There's gonna be three meals provided. One year,
we had a wood fired pizza uh out in the

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middle of the wilderness. They had a It surprised me
even this. This big truck shows up and they're making
it's like a big pizza party out there. The game
wardens came and eight Pizza told us their stories of
UFOs and Bigfoot and uh, it's just it's like a
kind of a subtle party, but they know how to host.
And we'll be don again then in August.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Cool, cool, cool cool. So where's the Squatches? I don't
like really saying that, but I'm gonna use it anyways.
Where where's the squatches place in America?

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Well, there's there's more than one place.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Yeah, I would say my favorite place to squatch besides
my own state and you Mexico White's place would be
the Pacific Northwest. But I'm just always drawn to that
primeval rainforest and the beauty of the Northwest. You know,

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you know that's primeval in there, and you know, you know,
squatch living there. But surprisingly in the Bfrol we have
investigators in every single state of the contiguous US, and
there's reports from every single state, so they're everywhere. And
I've been in the East coast, like we talked about

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Chris and the prior one. Kentucky's beautiful too, if you
can get out there and do some squatching and outdoor stuff.
It's just at the Pacific Northwest Colorado, New Mexico, we
don't have as many bugs and ticks.

Speaker 6 (01:12:49):
Yeah, so anyways, we'd have to invite a mosquito over there.
You might see him around a pond or something, but
it's not a lot of bugs.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Yeah, I want you, boyd where do you?

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
Where do you?

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
Where do you think is I agree.

Speaker 6 (01:13:04):
With Dennis like civing Northwest. I think I've never done
it in Kentucky. I need to, but that Oklahoma is
real intense, and I think they're you know, it's like
a different approach that they have. And we're in a
more concentrated area where they're at. But Washington State, Oregon,
northern California, that type of thing. Most California actually serious too.

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You're gonna it's gonna be a little there were a
little bit more space that they'd have there.

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
But you're going to run into it, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
And I've had some pretty compelling encounters, but Colorado's where
I've seen them.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
Washington State too.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
But in Colorado, I saw it, you know, with a
thermal and that was right where Dennis is going to
have his so and it was like right by the
main base campfire, the thing running away from me, and
I was like, that was kind of a shocking thing
to see for the moment that I saw it, and
I'm like, uh and and and there there's areas there

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that are pretty wild and uh cool area, very cool area.

Speaker 5 (01:14:07):
Dennis is going to have.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
Is that I've been to Colorado, pretty is really nice there.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
Here we go. Any reports from Hawaii.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
I'm aware of that. I was actually gonna mention all
forty eight contiguous US states except for Hawaii and Puerto Rico. Well,
Porto Rico technically a state.

Speaker 5 (01:14:29):
Definitely Alaska has Alaska.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Yes, Alaska's definitely has them, but not Hawaii that we're
aware of.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
So yeah, Okay, my nation slash W sixty asks if
you have a hair sample, where would you recommend sending
it to. I think Dennis would if you want to
just looked out, we might have a source of just

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analyzing by microscope if Sinney would take it on. But
right now you have the Darby Orca in North Carolina
doing it for free, and that's a really good source
right now.

Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
And he's after this. Uh, he's in the hunt for it,
right Dennis.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Yeah, I believe so. I think Henna Henner used to
be one of her go to guys, but he's a
long past, I guess. And we have we also have
Cindy Dozon up in BC. But basically, when you get
a hair sample, what we generally do, the first thing
you do with a hair sample is you check for morphology. Basically,
what that does through as Boyd was stating, through a

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microscope will tell you what species or genus the hair
belongs to. And so they can determine right away if
it's a known animal something in uh, you know, something
that that is categorized bat human or an unknown primate
if it if it flags as an unknown primate, which

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they have ways to tell the cuticle of the hit
and you know, the uh, the medulla, those things they
can tell right away you know what it belongs to.
So if it does, in fact look like it belongs
to an unknown uncategorized crimate. Uh, then it can get
further tested. But hair has never yielded DNA very successfully,

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just because the medulla is where the where any DNA
would be left, because that's where the cellular structure is.
But that breaks down pretty quickly once it's shed and
there's not continuous strands of DNA to analyze. It's usually
what you want to get is the is any skin
tags or anything connected blood to the hair that would

(01:16:45):
yield real DNA. But again, hair samples you can tell
what it belongs to or what possibly mysterious feature belongs
to initially. So yeah, that's how we handle hair samples.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
All right, that was a good question. That's a good question.
How many reports does does the BFROL receive every year?

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Oh gosh, I haven't looked lately, do you know?

Speaker 6 (01:17:12):
Boys me either or like so so, like Dennis said,
there's this thing called flats. It's just I guess it's
an acronym for something. But it's an internal website that
we can access as investigators. It's not a public thing,
but that's where all the reports get put in and
you can vet it by IP addresses. See if there's

(01:17:33):
other reports that come from that same IP address, and
a lot of that, Like Dennis said before, it's all
volunteer unfortunately hasn't gotten investigated all the time, you know,
and not followed up on. So there's way more reports
that are made than are published. But the published ones
are really carefully done. So the published stuff that you're

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gonna read on their website is going to be real
high quality things. I'm or miss and not doing them
all too and I'm probably since I are retired, I
should get more involved in it. But a lot some
of it's you can vet it out, like like you're
not going to get anywhere with it, or you see
something really compelling and you reach out over and over

(01:18:18):
and over to the person by their contact info and
they don't get back to you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Occasion. Most of the time they do, but a lot
of times some of the times they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Yeah, the FLATS is basically the file logging and tracking
system is what d N acronym is for. Basically is
what people submit the reports via the website to our database.
And I think in Colorado, now I know boy in
New Mexico is going to be a little different, but
Colorado we average. I want to say, anywhere from eight

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to fourteen to fifteen reports a month. Some days you
won't see anything for you know, you won't see anything
for three or four days, and the report comes in,
as Boyd was saying, don't come in, and then we
can vet those reports and see if they're duplicates or
kids messing around or something that just doesn't relate to it.

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But then there's those that come in that are legitimate
with good contact information, and then we can take off
from there and investigate that further through the submittee. So anyways,
that's how that works.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
So all right, we got a question from Mayam var
X as Boyder Dennis ever taken a report of someone
being frozen, paralyzed on an expedition or experienced in for sound.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Actually Boyd mentioned a friend of ours, Ron Bowles, a
good friend of good friend of ours, he experienced something
like that a few years ago. But in terms of
my expeditions, I I don't believe I've had one that
that's happened. We've had some people get ill, but we're
not sure if that was MS or something related to

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the altitude. Because we're all up in you know, we're
we're in Colorado, we're in high country, but I know,
I know Ron had something significant happen, right boyd He
told me about.

Speaker 6 (01:20:21):
Like an infrasound thing. I think Missouri where it happened. Yes, yeah,
and me me personally, I had infrasound done than me.
I don't know if anybody or had anybody that was frozen.
I was on an expedition Washington State and we're doing
a roadwalk at night and I'd fallen kind of way
back behind everybody, and I had a parabolic dish. I'm
listening behind me to see if we're being followed, you know,

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and uh, it felt like something was stump in the
back of my neck, like like like you know how
you do the massage with the karate chops.

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
That's what it felt like. Was just boom boom boom
in the back like.

Speaker 6 (01:20:56):
It felt like a I don't know if it's a
sound way, but it felt almost like a physical thing
hitting the back of my neck. And to me, it
just felt like pushing me forward, get back with that
group and move out of here. And that's what I
felt from it. It didn't damage me or anything. It
was just this kind of thumbing feeling that happened to
us that snow Grove Lake. We had a power knock,

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like a knock, like an explosion. It was like none other.
Like it was like it was unreal, like telephone poles
being whacked together. And then we felt three three, like
the waves from the ocean hit us in the chest.

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
Well boom and me and my buddy, but we're up
there with Dougie Hi check and uh we look. I
look at my buddy, Robert Budd's that right next, guys,
and we both look at there. We go did you
feel that? We didn't say anything about here, It were
like we both had the same and go did you
feel that? And that just reminded me of the thing

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on the back of your neck. Boy, that was yep.

Speaker 6 (01:21:56):
I mean that was really really wild, you know. And
I you know, I just slowly moved back up. I
mean I didn't turn around and face it or anything,
but it to me, that was pretty high.

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
Expreat expression of like this is what I want you
to do.

Speaker 6 (01:22:14):
I'm behind you. But I never heard anything on the parabolic,
you know, it didn't come through on that. I never
heard any of anything walking behind me. But that was
a force that kind of pushed me forward back up.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
Into the group and just keep going.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
You know, right, We're gonna take one more question everybody,
because Dennis is obviously you could see him. He's on
the road. He's actually working and driving, driving his truck
across Colorado right now. So he took the time out
of his schedule to sit and chat with us tonight.
So thank you very much for that, Dennis appreciate it.

(01:22:49):
I'm gonna take one more question, and this is a
good question to do you guys get reports from Canada Ontario?

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Do you?

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
Or is it just strictly America.

Speaker 5 (01:22:58):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we have investigators in Canada, but
I can't remember, Boyd, I don't know if you if
you looked at the flask lately, but I don't remember
if we still have someone in Ontario in that province
or not. But I know at one point we had

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some investigators in Canada. I know in BC for sure,
but I'm not sure about Ontario. But I do know
the guy worked with, the guy who led the Rickson
project had several really life changing, what we talked about
earlier when he was young, life changing experiences when he
was up there, and I believe it was in northern

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maybe it was Alberta. But anyways, he was in a
rural farming area and he had two Class a's and
that changed him and that made him a lifelong believer too.
So I do know we get reports up there, I
just I'm not familiar with them.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
So all right, Well, I want to say thank you
to you both. I appreciate we're gonna have to have
you back because we didn't get to anything. Uh that
we got a loaded up here.

Speaker 5 (01:24:11):
Yeah, I want to.

Speaker 6 (01:24:12):
I want to talk about my project, my project I'm
involved in up in Washington State. That's really exciting study sasquatch.
I see one of my buds is on there. I
don't know if that's Kirk, but probably, And that's that's
a good site to go to. He's We've got a
lot of stuff going on up there that's outside of
BFRO but it's really really cool thing.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
Well, go ahead, talk about it right now. Yes, we're here,
go ahead, let it rip.

Speaker 6 (01:24:36):
So, so, they develops camera system that isn't a basically
in an AMMO can that can record for over twenty
four days, and it's motion activated thermal and they can
hide them in really cool areas.

Speaker 5 (01:24:50):
So they were.

Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
Right now I think they're an eight count with the
cameras and they're going eight more that are going to
be just they kind of react to reports and also
in areas where we've had the encounters up there. But
hopefully we're gonna get the uh, the real true blue
thing walking right by in front of it and getting
a really good thermal of it. But this is a
camera system they worked out and it's really amazing. So

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study Sasquatch on YouTube is the channel that will show
you all about it. And that was when Chris and
I interviewed last time. That was backpacking for Sasquatch. That's
Kirk Brandenburg and and Doug we we were doing something
for that and that's on that channel too. But the
thermal camera's really neat.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Yeah, good stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
Can you watch that live? BOYD? Is that a public
it's not a live stream.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
They're there.

Speaker 6 (01:25:45):
They go out and retrieve the cards out of them
and redo the batteries and they're in real remote areas.
But if you watch that, the video about it explains
the whole thing and and stuff that they've captured and
they're kind of in in peril out with the Olympic Project. Guys,
and Chris Spencer who and Rebecca Slick and Rebecca Spencer

(01:26:07):
now they're married. They do a lot of audios, so
they try to combine the audio with this thermal project.
And he's he's on the study Sauce squad stuff too,
although he has his own channel as well.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
But but that that's all in that research.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
Yeah, that's what we're trying to do with the three
sixty cameras. In the three sixty audio right now, we're
trying to link it all up. So it's a PLoP
it in the middle of a field and you're going
to get you be able to see the camera three
sixty and then the audio. They got the audio recorder
Zoom makes it's a three sixty audio recorder and then
you can pick the direction where the sounds are. Is

(01:26:43):
pretty wild.

Speaker 5 (01:26:44):
So oh cool.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
Yeah, with a lot of cool stuff going on. I
mean there's a lot of like that that that project there,
and then there's another camera project going on. So people
are interested, people are trying, you know, and that's all
you can do with this. You got to keep on
trying to see what you can do and what you
can what doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
That's the exciting thing. The technology is really making leaps
and bounds, and I'm I've got a good feeling. You know,
things can break open anytime. It'd be awesome, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Ye.

Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
All right, we crossed.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
All right, Well, I'm gonna say good night to you guys.
I gonna put you backstage, but don't go anywhere, and
then I can say goodbye afterwards.

Speaker 5 (01:27:22):
Thanks everybody, say goodbye to everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
Thank you Chris, thank you guys, Weoch for being here,
ladies and gentlemen. Mister boyd Omer Dennis Foll from the
bf R O all right, all right, all right, what
a great show. I just want to show this real quick.

(01:27:49):
This is uh, this is the exhibit at David mccarra experdence.
A big foot about my buddy Tom Monroe.

Speaker 5 (01:28:03):
To use his brain came slowly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
He is now poling the scientific fact that man who
was millions of years in the making.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Yeah h.

Speaker 5 (01:28:25):
The games, he gradually learned to use fire and to
these tools.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Years ago he used crews stones to John and his.

Speaker 5 (01:28:37):
Tool did not.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
Okay, Well then I'm coming, guys. Where's my mouse? I
lost my mouse? Got three skews go, So that's my
buddy domin Road mister David mccarro did a nice little
uh display for him. He's been a lot of lifelong adventure.
He is just branch is some really bad luck. He's
listened that the Mountains of Montana and he was actually

(01:29:02):
robbed of his livelihood for the winter. And I got
a little go fundme going for him. The link is
in the description. If you can, it would be awesome
if you guys, could you know, throw five ten dollars
whatever you can afford. I know it's the holiday season,
but guy took all his his his wood money for

(01:29:23):
the winter. He lives in a cabin in the mountain
Montana Mountains and everything would be would be much appreciated
if you can do that. So next week I am
off because I am on call for work again. But
after that I have mister David Schrader coming to the show.
David is from the Travel Channel. He's been on the

(01:29:44):
Holtzer Files, paranormal Mysteries. He's a member of the Shock
Docs on Travel Channel, and we're going to talk a
lot about that. I'm very interested in the Holtzer Files
and all that stuff that goes on. So mister David
Trader will be with us so you don't see him
too often on these interviews, and I'm looking very forward

(01:30:05):
to having them here. So he will be on December.
I believe it's the week of the second. I think
that's Tuesday, but next week is Thanksgiving. I wish you
guys all are very happy holiday. I hope you guys
celebrate it with your your loved ones any way you
want gets full bellies if that's the way you do it,

(01:30:25):
or you just call each other on the phone. No
matter which way you do it, I hope you have
a I have a great week. And uh yeah, so
see you in two weeks. And thanks again again to
Dennis and boy tonight for being great guests. And uh,

(01:30:47):
just because you don't see it doesn't mean something's not
watching you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Out of my head, out of the best to sleep,
that could be dead?

Speaker 5 (01:31:16):
Is it something that have done?

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Did led you to think that it was gone? Desire?

(01:31:44):
How cannot be ass? Don't please so far once in
a wild.

Speaker 6 (01:32:00):
Good tired talking.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
I'm good on a smile.

Speaker 6 (01:32:06):
Let my alter e go.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Wherever go. These days will always show shot the sun.

(01:32:34):
How can I be a swim myself sway so

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