Real American Monsters #8 Unseen Giants: My Truth About Sasquatch

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Big Foot stopping through woods, son of Shadow nine. No good,
my man lurking in the night. I like to buy
a burden bright tall man howling that floor.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Shadow creeping bringing to.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Sta't buy a first in for.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Leave cold, to leave your dead. Welcome to the.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Hello, No No, my friends and monster Land, Tuesday night,
once again at the Untold Radio Networks, Real American Monsters,
and we are back in the studio. We are back
in control, and we're at the Helm for the next
hour or so. And do we have another great guest
for you tonight from the great state of Colorado, mister

(01:57):
Dennis Fole. We're really happy to have him. He actually
stepped in huge for us this week and did us
a huge favor. Valardi was supposed to be our guest
and he ended up getting ill and sick, and Dennis
was kind enough to break his schedule and step in
for Hoit tonight. And we couldn't ask for anything better

(02:19):
because we have another habituation researcher, investigator in the mists,
and you know how much I love that. And you
guys all know about my past, so I'm really excited
to hear more about that and more about Matilda. I
had somebody asked me to say, make sure you mentioned Matilda.
So mister Michael, I think he's in the actually there,

(02:40):
Michael Marcco, He's the one that asked the question. So
I have asked it and now I know who Matilda is.
So we're getting ready for a great show tonight. So
good evening. Mister Randy Books is with us, the Squatch
Father himself, mister Alfred Santa Rica is in the audience.
Good evening, Blue Eyed Northern, Good evening with Babs. They
are my all star Wrench Team. You guys mess around

(03:01):
in the chat they will they will, they will kick
you out, they will tell you bye bye. Miss Dan
Fowler is also part of it. The Wrench Team. Couldn't
ask for a bunch of a group, a bunch of people.
I love them all and they keep everything running smooth
in the chat room while we are alive to those
people that come in with disrespect and for the guests

(03:23):
and myself. So I appreciate all you guys. So everything's
good here. I've been back up the top of a
rock throw alley and we've had We're starting to get
things going again. I would like to say on Sunday,
that we received two calls to me sounded like the
sasquatch calls that we have heard in the past. And

(03:45):
we have a tree up there that is a newfound tree,
and there was actually a nipper bottle of whiskey put
in it. Now, this tree is off trail in the
middle of nowhere, at the top of rock through Allley.
You guys are all familiar with that, And this little
bottle of whiskey was left inside this tree. Of course,
you know people could leave it up there. But what's
going on up there and what has gone up there?

(04:06):
I've never seen another human in ten years up there,
so keep an eye open for that. We're gonna start
posting videos here pretty soon. So I guess everybody, mister
Michael Morgan's here. Everybody's starting to pour in. We got
a great guess, and let's let's get this. Let's show
on the road, ladies and gentlemen from the great state Colorado.

(04:27):
Mister Dennis h Dennis just disappeared on me. Well we
have to wait to come. I was ready to bring
him out and now he's going. So Dennis, if you
guys aren't familiar with who Dennis is, until he comes back,
I'll tell you. He was one of the investigators at
the Ericson project in Kentucky. And it's also the Ohio

(04:50):
River Research location in northern Kentucky. And I guess they
had a family of four. Of what Dennis was telling me,
And here he comes, just back. Now here we go.
All right, let's bring him on once again, and I'll
let him tell you a little bit about himself. All right,
here he is, mister Dennis.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Hi, Chris, can you hear me? Okay, now I.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Can hear you. Good. Now we're all we're all straight.
I was ready to put you on the stage and
then go bye.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I don't know what happened. We had a lot of
lightning storms through here a few minutes ago, so just
don't be all of a sudden anyway.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
I just want to say thank you so much for
stepping in tonight and being our guest tonight. And I
really appreciate it taking I know you're a busy man
and taking the time. As I know, it is very
valuable these days to a lot of people and everybody actually,
and I just want to say we're much appreciated.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Oh yeah, you're more than welcome. I love to be here.
I love to talk about it when I can. It's
been a while since I have. But yeah, it's you know,
this subject never bores me. It's always fascinating to hear,
you know, the things that are going on out there.
And I think in the last few years, I've really
noticed quite a few really fascinating and interesting accounts and

(06:16):
eyewitness accounts and stories and things that's happened with people.
And it seems more and more these these this mystery
is is really moving forward and people are really starting
to open their eyes, you know, the general public and
everything seems to be a lot more aware of it.
So that's that's always exciting and fun. So but yeah,

(06:37):
but I'm glad to be here, and I'm sorry that
hoy couldn't make it. What a great guest he would
have been, and I'm sure he will be in the
future for you guys.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
So yeah, we're looking forward. We actually have a recording
that Dennis Scott from Hoyts Property we're going to play
later on the show. So before we get started to
let you just give everybody just a small little bio
of you and tell everybody how you got interested in
in the in the Sasquatch.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Well, like many people, we weren't really you know. I
heard of it growing up, actually grew up in northern
California when I was young, and right after the Patterson
Gimlin thing happened. I remember as a very young kid
that kind of being all the rave, but we didn't
put a whole lot of tension to it, you know.
And then I moved to Colorado in the late eighties

(07:24):
and been here, met my wife, been married here. I've
been in the state for you know, thirty eight years plus.
And when I was raising our family when we were younger,
we did a lot of camping, a lot of outdoor stuff,
just like every typical, you know, outdoors person does, and
never really had any thoughts about it. Of course, you know,

(07:45):
being in the mountains, you think, well, Bigfoot exists, it's
something on the west coast, you know, California, Washington, Oregon,
but never would have thought Colorado. And then one year,
this would have been in late not well mid ninety nine,
two thousand, things changed for us and we were going

(08:07):
into this area. We'd liked to four wheel drive jeep
up in the High Rockies by lead Bill, and yeah,
I had something really strange happened one night and I
thought it was a bear, I thought, but it was
a bear that acted like a man that came into
our camp after we all settled down to go to sleep,
and it troubled me greatly because I was used to

(08:32):
wild animals and this thing was like a wild animal
moving around pitch black with no effort, you know, at all,
like it could see perfectly and pitch black. But it
was acting like a person, like a human would be,
like spinning pedals on a bicycle and one of my
kid's bicycles, and toying around with things around the camp.

(08:55):
But just made a long story short, it freaked me
out and I didn't know what to make of it.
I just thought, something's just not right. You know. We're
in a remote area of the mountains, and it bothered
me a lot. Well. I think it was later that year.
We were jeeping up above tree line, up near some

(09:16):
old mines and there's this big old lake up there,
and we was looking for a place to fish around it.
And as I was walking around the lake midday, found
this huge human like footprint right there off the shore
of the lake and it was sunk it in some
tundra like kind of like grassy tundra, and it was

(09:38):
fresh as day, and I know, I'm familiar with tracking
and stuff, and I could tell that whatever it left
had just been there minutes before we got there. We're
in a remote spot, there had been no other people there, right,
We kind of found this little lake back in the backcountry.
And so I looked towards the shore and I could
see something was in the water there too, So I thought, well,
you know what's going on, you know, so again, you know,

(10:02):
debreviate it because we don't have a lot of time.
We went back the next week and I cast it,
and I still have the cast today, But its five
toes looks like a human footprint, except very big and heavy.
Is fifteen and a half inches long by about I
think nearly six inches at the whitest point, and you

(10:23):
could almost see what later was described as a mid
tarsol break towards the center of the foot to the
back of the hill, and everything that Meldrum, doctor Jeff Meldrim,
had ever described about these prints, it was all there.
So that really opened my eyes to the whole subject, because,
in conjunction of what happened to us earlier, that year

(10:46):
in that same area. I started thinking, well, these things
might be real and they actually are here in Colorado
as well. So that got us involved, and my wife
and I started really doing a lot of research else
and looking into reports and sidings in Colorado, spent a
lot of time in the area. Has had a lot
more interesting accounts and things that happened during that time.

(11:09):
I never really saw one, you know, we just had
a lot of experiences that were you know, typical sounds
of vocalizations, you know, various things that people tend to
see these days. And then I got involved with the BFRO,
and that would have been in two thousand and four.

(11:30):
Late late in the year, we went to our first
expedition with the BFRO and Matt Moneymaker to New Mexico
and really great experience there. We really got to meet
a lot of the local natives there at the muscal
Ao Reservation and they hosted us and had some phenomenal

(11:50):
stuff happening when we were there at the expedition December
of two thousand and four, and yeah, it just kind
of took off from them and became I am a
member of the BFRO then and started doing research with
the BFRO through the state of Colorado, and then I
got involved in the summer of two thousand and five

(12:12):
with which what is known now as the Kentucky Bigfoot
Situation or the BFR well some people know it as
the Adrian Ericson project or the Ohio River Valley Project,
and that involved a small family group of bigfoot that

(12:35):
I don't like to use the word habituated. I tend
to habituation kind of is a pretty strong word to
the situation. I kind of refer to more of a
repeat visitation where there was a small family group of
these creatures that would would not regularly, but often enough

(12:57):
come into some property there property in the hollows of
northern north central Kentucky. And this family was a rural family,
a poor family, living in the backwoods there. And of course,
if you've ever been in rural Kentucky, you could see
how heavily wooded that is there, And once you're there

(13:20):
and you experience it, you would say, yeah, I could
definitely see that making sense here. But anyways, this family
group where this younger one seemed to be attached to
a woman who grew up there, and at that time
that woman was in her mid thirties when I got
involved with the project, and she said that from around

(13:42):
the age of five years old she used to put
food out with her mother for these things in the backyard,
and her mother used to refer to them as homeless people,
or an aunt or an uncle who lived a hermit
life in the woods in the dark. And she said, Dennis,
one of them stood next to what would they used

(14:03):
to have a portable outhouse in the back, at the
edge of the woodline behind the house. And she said
its head was near the top of this portable outhouse,
which was about eight foot high. She said, there's no
way that could have been anybody I knew. So anyways,
we got involved with that project, and the intent there
was to try to do long term research on private

(14:26):
land and try to keep it hush hush, which was
not possible to do. That compromised a lot of things
down the road and severely affected the research itself, unfortunately.
But from the very beginning of that project, my first
day there, I actually had a siding myself. It was remarkable.

(14:51):
We used thermal imaging. We had an old rathh N
two point fifty D thermal camera. In two thousand and five.
That was kind of the go to thing. There was
still very expensive camera. Nowadays you got tons of different
makers and they're more affordable, but this was an old
black and white Wraithian two fifty D. We actually had
a siding through that thermal. We weren't able to record

(15:13):
because if you know, a thermal wretheon, it doesn't have
the technology built into the camera to actually record. You
have to have exterior devices and a setup. But we
weren't prepared. And I saw this thing, so did Adrian.
He was there as well, and then the lady, the
woman who we were dealing with, her husband also saw it,

(15:36):
so I was blown away. I was like, wow, this
is incredible. You know, we've got stuff going on here
that's legit. And I have to emphasize it wasn't just us.
It was the neighbors next door, it was some people
in the area. It was the other people in the
family that she was related to that had experiences, and

(15:57):
there was other BFRO people who I believe there's still
part of the BFRO, but they're pretty well known names
within the BFRO who had visited that location prior to
my first time there, which would have been in I
believe the end of August of two thousand and five.
They had been in there in July, June and July.
And these guys had their own sidings and experience that

(16:20):
blew them out of the water too. They actually had
class as, which we call the class as, an actual
physical siding with your own eyes of one of these creatures.
And so it was remarkable. It was a hotspot. And
so again the intent was to get in there and
set up a long term research that we could bring
in a scientist, which we did get out of the BFRO,

(16:43):
a young lady that was a I want to say
Stanford brad pretty pretty good accredited scientist, and we put
her on the property and the intent was for her
to try to experience as much as she could of
these creatures. They were to come in regularly, and again
I want to emphasize regularly means that if you see

(17:05):
them once a week, you're lucky. I'm not saying you're
going to come in at six pm every night, right
or right at the sun goes down. No, that didn't happen.
They would come in at all kinds of hours and
it was mostly at night, but sometimes during the day,
especially in bad weather. Sometimes you wouldn't think you'd see them,
but rainy days and snowy days, they'd show up out

(17:26):
of the blue. It's just it's an interesting thing that
you know, I'd share later down the road. You know,
a theory there but less people outdoors, I think that
they're out you know. But anyways, so she was set
up there and we supplied her and the people we
were working with, the lady that started this thing, we

(17:48):
gave them cam quarters night vision devices what do you
call it pmdre the anyways, there were nights devices. They
were the type of military use, so this wasn't cheap equipment.
We had the thermal, we had audio gear and we

(18:08):
deployed those around the property and attempts to try to
get you some evidence of these creatures. And she was
able to get some audio recording some interesting stuff. But
in the long run, what we ended up really doing
the most effective way together any kind of audio or
primarily video, was through the woman who this originated with,

(18:32):
because we think that basically this family group was there
because she had a legacy with her mother putting food
out for him, and they trusted her, and so when
she would go out oftentimes in the evening before it
gets dark, she would take something out to these creatures
to the edge of the tree line. Now she didn't

(18:53):
know that they were there every night. Again they were not,
but she felt it was her duty to carry this
place to food, whatever it be. Sometimes peanut butter sandwiches,
sometimes McDonald's pancakes. She would carry them to the edge
of the tree line and set them down near the
edge of the tree line and then stand there and
call to them and say, I've got your food, you know,

(19:15):
And she does her thing, and a lot of times
she'd leave it and you come back in the morning
it's still there. But there was again, you know, once
every second or third fourth time it was gone. They
would take it, and she would say herself, she would

(19:36):
see them standing down in the shadows, watching her and
waiting for her to walk away and leave the food.
So it was an interesting situation, and you know, we
we got to experience that ourselves during the time we
were there. To a limited degree. I heard them, I've
seen them being involved in the project. I myself had
seen them, I want to say, at about six times

(20:00):
myself with my unaided eyes and through some uh you know,
night vision devices, as well as Camquarders. So yeah, it was.
I'll tell you, it changes your whole perspective of the world.
You know, you these things aren't supposed to exist, yet

(20:21):
there they are, and they're They're amazing. They're highly intelligent.
They are not a big dumb ete. I often felt
like when I was dealing with them, I was dealing
with human beings capable, you know, higher thought beings. These
aren't just a dumb creature. These things are very premeditated,

(20:44):
thoughtful personalities. They had, They had differing personalities and I
can only tell you that the way they reacted and
they acted while we were there, you could kind of
tell you know which one you were dealing with. And
having said that, initially the start of this project, there

(21:06):
was a small one that seemed to be attached to
the woman who was involved that got us there, and
this one seemed to be a juvenile. And the reason
we say that is because one of the video pieces
that was obtained early and during the project by her husband,

(21:28):
we were able to go down. We knew where he
shot the piece of footage, we knew what camera he had,
and we were able to go down and recreate that
same area and very close to that time, so the
foliage and the trees and the branches and everything were
very much the same as it was shot. I think
it was the prior week or two before. So using

(21:51):
that data and that knowledge, AIA will go down knew
where the camera was set and recreate that, you know,
the figure that passed through the trees. And then of
course you gauge the height of the branches and the
leaves and you match them and that's how you can
get size. And this particular subject we got the first one,

(22:13):
I said, the juvenile we calculated to be a little
under five foot tall, and so that's what we call
that a juvenile. And in that footage that's associated with it,
there is a short piece of footage associated with it
where it's moving through the trees and you see its
whole entire left side, and you can see it kind
of powering through the trees and you can see an

(22:34):
arm come up like this and move down. That one
isn't very big, but that is the one that we
believe was attracted to the woman the most, because it
would be the one that showed itself the most often,
almost like it was reckless and you know, not so
cautious like the old other ones. So let me clarify.

(22:58):
In this family group, believe there was a total of
We believe there was four, but we're not one hundred
percent sure. What we do know was there was this
younger one, the juvenile, a little under five foot tall.
Then we know we had had seen and been around
two others. One was around six foot a little over

(23:22):
six foot tall, and the other one was a little
shorter than that one, so you know whatever that I
can't give you an exact type, but we do know
one was around six foot or a little over. And
then there was a fourth one and we called him
Big Daddy because he wasn't seen often at all, I

(23:42):
think only several times, and that was witnessed by her husband,
the woman's husband, and it scared the living but Jesus
out of him both times he had the experience with it.
It was aggressive, It was not very friendly or happy
with the situation of the juvenile all approaching or being
close to the woman that was involved with the project,

(24:07):
and it would let everyone know it wasn't happy. I
can go into stories about that, but we don't have
the time right now.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
All right before before we go too far. Let's listen
back track a little bit here. When you first had
your first experience in Colorado, when you guys were camping
with your family and everything, did you ever realize did
you ever think that it would turn into what it
did afterwards? Did you ever expect those first prints or
anything just to blossom the way it did and grab
you and take you?

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Not at all.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Nope.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
It rolls a strange place, buddy. And you know, when
you start thinking about stuff like that, you think, well,
what else did we hear growing up that was just myths?
That is could actually be real lockness UFOs ets? You know,

(24:57):
dog men, I've not had to speriences with those things,
but what I've seen and what I've experienced, I don't
I don't ever doubt that in my life. I you know,
you just can't look at life the same way.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
So what what? What? What captured you?

Speaker 3 (25:13):
What?

Speaker 4 (25:13):
What was it? What was the next step? You know,
you had that first interaction, you found the footsteps? What
what was the night? And was New Mexico? The next
step was that? What?

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah? You go New Mexico is the next step. I
spent some time on the reservation, made a couple of
pretty good friends there. They invited me back. I did
some research there by myself. Aside from the VFRO group,
I was still with the BFRORO, but I was going
there individually and for several months after the first time there,

(25:46):
and I spent some time on the reservation. And I'll
tell you, yeah, I believe reservations and I know a
lot of people said this, and I definitely believe reservations
are a magnet for these creatures and for whatever reason,
they're closer to them because the Native Americans respect the
land and they they have a kinship with them that we,

(26:08):
you know, most of modern Americans cannot understand or share.
And you know that goes through their respect for them.
You know, they hear things, they see things, and they
leave them be they walk away, leave and be one
of them totally. One time they say, you know, their
ways are not our ways, but they are not animals.

(26:28):
These are our cousins, these are our brothers, These are
humans too. And ever since I heard that couple with
my experiences, I absolutely agree.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Do you think that it's because that the natives treat
them like normal? They're just normal, They're just part of
the reservation that they live there and that's what they are.
You think that that's the case. And do you think
that expands to other areas like a habituation area or
like a family unit. Do you think because they're feeding
them and do you think that because they're showing them respect?
And you think do you think that that's part of

(27:00):
why these people can get so close to the Sasquatch.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Absolutely, it's it's it's a form of trust. And with
the Native Americans, I think it's just a natural thing.
It's live and let live, you know, and you know,
you get to know any Native Americans that I think
this is across all reservations that acknowledge them much pretty much,
I think is all of them. They all know they're there,

(27:28):
and they just say, we don't talk about it much.
I've actually was told this is we don't talk about
it to white men much because they don't believe us,
so why waste her time? But you know a lot
of us do. And then when it comes to habituations
and repeat visitations like that, it's a it's a it
is a hard earned relationship of trust. And I don't

(27:55):
think it comes easy for anybody. It takes a long
time to gain that, And let me tell you from
my experience, at least with those situations, you think it's
a drop in the bucket if you can put food
out and the sasquatch will come and take it. Know
they won't. They'll never come in from the same direction twice.
They'll never come in the same time twice. They are

(28:16):
so unpredictable and deliberately that way, you know, and you
never know if they're going to take anything you put out.
So I think that that situation or that trust has
to be gained. But even then, that trust is always
going to be a stand toopfish night, the trust that
they're never going to fully trust you, because you know,

(28:36):
in our situation here, that woman has spent thirty years
plus of her life interacting with them, even to a
limited degree, and they trusted her. They almost seem to
be happy when she came out. But they even with
those emotions in that trust, they were still extremely cautious

(28:56):
and wary and careful. So there's a reason why there's
still a mystery and there's a reason why they're still
hard to nail down.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
That's great you brought up because Larry's in my area.
We we figured that out too. We were we we
we did things always the same. We were always repetitive,
but they were never They would never do the same thing.
They would never come like you said, they never come
to the same direct. But we did it that way
because they knew where we were going, they knew where

(29:27):
we were going to be, and we didn't pull any
surprises on them, and that brought us closer. So that's
what it sounds like, the same, you know when you
when people do. When you hear all the different stories
of these people with them on their property and how
they you know they're they're interacting like the you don't
like to call it habituation, but the only word that
comes to my mind right off the tip of my tongue.

(29:49):
But uh, it's a trust that you build with them
and over the year, it takes a long time. Just
doesn't like you said, it doesn't happen to snap of
your fingers. You have to build this trust. That woman
over thirty years built that trust and that's why they
were happy to hear because they knew they weren' going
to hurt her. They weren'ting to hurt them. They knew
whatever she was bringing them doesn't hurt them, and that's

(30:12):
the trust. How important do you think the trust factor
is in getting close and being able to you know,
investigate or research the Sasquatch.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Oh yeah, it's everything. You know. She thirty years of
building that trust, they were still careful and cautious. And
I think it was the recklessness of the juveniles. You
know what, do you want to use the word naivete
It kind of assumed she was, you know, it was
going to be okay to show itself and to approach

(30:46):
and it was cute in the way, but at the
same time, you know, they just you have to be
you nailed it earlier. And I try to say this
to everybody, and this is how I conduct when I
go on expeditions myself here in Colorado. I try to
conduct it where you have to make yourself predictable, do

(31:08):
not do crazy stupid things. Be very predictable, and especially
in a situation like you're doing. That's the key, that's
the recipe, because you know, that's one of the doors
that you will open in helping to gain that trust
and advance it forward. So it's very important we have
to show, you know, sincerity when we're trying to interact

(31:32):
with them that we're not there to hurt them, and
that you know, we're very predictable and everything we do.
So yeah, you know, it's it's very important that you know,
we exercise that when we're trying to trying to do something.
I don't care where you're at. If you're in the
woods and you think there's squats around there, you know,

(31:52):
don't don't do stupid, crazy quick movements. Just be predictable
and easy and relaxed and you me experience something.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Don't throw stones and let them throw stones at you,
but don't throw stones back. I don't understand why you
would do that.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
But yeah, and don't and don't show fear I mean fear.
I mean, you know, that's one of the things that
I think part of throwing stones not only is to
show their displeasure with people in an area, which could
be but I think it also gauges It's for them
to gauge your reaction. If you're a fearful, scary, unpredicted

(32:27):
kind of person that's gonna do unpredictable things, you know
they're going to know to stay well away. But if
you don't show any fear and you kind of acknowledge
and you know, I think that that can do wonders.
I mean, it's worked for us.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
So, so you're living in Colorado, this is going on
in Kentucky. You must have had one hell of a
support system for you to be able to go to
Kentucky for periods of time like that and leave home.
And did did did your wife come with you two
or was she part of the project or how did
that all work?

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Well, she came with me, and when she could, she
works full time herself, and I at the time had
a small business and when I got involved and folded
into the process with Adrian, Adrian needed someone there to
work to manage it kind of full time. Because we
brought in a scientist. As they said earlier, we put

(33:21):
her in a home right there on the property. The
people who this originated with moved to a different house,
but with a lot of property around him, and it
was only five miles away. Well, eventually, if you know
this part of Kentucky, this is a bunch of hollows.
It's rural, and the hollows are like I always like
to describe like opposite of hills, right, they go down

(33:43):
into the ground, not up. And these hollows are covered
in thick, dense foliage and woods, briars and nasty stuff.
So people don't typically go into those hollows, especially in
the summer it gets really thick and and so there's
a network quarters of traveling areas all over that valley,

(34:05):
that Ohio River Valley, northern Kentucky, you know the places
in Kentucky too. But I think that's one of the
things that helped these things to move around easily and
never be detected by people. But what would happen is
that they could come up out of the hollow into
someone's backyard and people would never know. At midnight, you know,
they come in and unless they had a dog there

(34:27):
or something, they would they could walk right up to
the back porch and they often did. Around here. They
did strange things, you know, you can't explain. They'd pick
up stuff and move stuff and carry stuff down in
the way, and they get into cat food and dog
food that's left out. They would they're kind of mischievous
that way. But you know that area again, you know,

(34:52):
you wouldn't think, but if you're there, you'd definitely say, yeah,
I can definitely see this happening. But so my job
us to basically help manage this and the people we
were dealing with. Again at the beginning when I said
we had some influences outside of the project that got

(35:12):
involved against our wishes, our will, these people had heard
about it early on, and I guess they had contacted
the woman's husband and told them all the stuff. And
you know, when it comes to bigfoot research, what's the
biggest problem, Especially with people who aren't familiar with the subject.

(35:34):
They hear that this is a phenomena that could blow
wide open and you'd be famous, right, Everybody would want
to talk to you, you'd be on the newspapers, you'd
be on TV, and of course you'd be rich, right,
people will throw money at you. Well, there were some
people outside of the organization that we're telling these people

(35:55):
all these lies, and it muddied up the waters pretty bad.
So there was things we couldn't control and we had
to struggle through that. And part of my job was
trying to keep you know, everything moving along and keep
the research positive, keep the equipment coming that we needed
and utilizing it out in the field, which was one

(36:16):
of my big big parts of the job was to
be out in the field with the husband and the
lady trying to gather evidence, and I spent a lot
of time out there doing that, but there was outside
influences that were trying to steal them away, and they
had written contracts with Adrian, agreed to work with him,

(36:37):
and Adrian would compensate him fairly for anything we got.
But people were coming in and saying, no, he's ripping
you off, and you know, all the bull you know,
and lies and stuff, and basically making extremely hard to
do anything with them. And so there was a level
of doubt and distrust kind of you know, stirred up

(37:00):
within the people were trying to work with because they
were being pulled in all these different directions, and so
it made it extremely tough to try to get anything
productive moving along. So anyways, you know, we relied on
our scientists that was there, and she tried to She
did a lot of work around there. She processed anything.

(37:21):
We collected hair, We collected hair samples. We collected some tracks,
not many, but we did get a few very interesting
tracks from the area. Cast those got a collection of them,
and I cast a really nice set in snow. I
found a whole trackway one winter. It was incredible. It
came out of the woodline, went towards a plate of

(37:43):
food that was set out hours earlier, and then it
arked back into this tree line.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Chris.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
It was two hundred yards long and about three inches
of snow, fresh fallen snow, and this trackway was a
perfect I mean everything you've seen and heard of a
sasquatch tracks, and I found some here in Colorado. This
thing lined up perfectly, linear track pattern, toe and heel,

(38:11):
four to five foot long strides, flexation between each foot strike.
It was incredible, and I tried to film it, and
I actually did cast I think three of those out
of that trackway in the snow. We utilize some wax
and some forensic stuff the police department used, but we

(38:32):
were successful in gathering some tracks and they, I believe
it turned out to be seventeen inches long by six
or seven inches wide at the ball of the foot,
so they're significantly big tracks. Amazing. That's one of many
things we got audio and of course in total, and

(38:52):
I say this, people will think, oh wow, that's crazy.
Forty two pieces of individual footage. A lot of them
are very short, some of them, a lot of them
are out of focus, not perfectly framed problematic. In two

(39:13):
thousand and five, we had we were working with Sony
HD cameras. We went from HDR tape cameras which they
called the Mini DV cameras, to digital cam quarterers. So Adrian,
who funded the project, spent the money and we outfitted

(39:34):
them with camquarders that were digital with hard drives. High
definition I think at the time was a twenty twenty
four right four K weren't quite available yet, but we've
outfitted with those out with coupled with PMD or aren't
PDS fourteens that's the military style night vision devices and

(40:00):
then of course with the wrath En two fifty D
camera and we use those camquarders with the night vision
devices mostly during the night, and we were able to
capture a few interesting pieces of footage. One walking through
the trees. Early on, there was a facial footage initially caught.
Now that was before I came into the project. That

(40:20):
would have been in early August I think, two thousand
and five, and that was done with a regular camcorder
and people often see that. Now you asked earlier about Matilda,
the name Matilda. You see there's a piece footage out
there that shows a profile of a face, you know,

(40:42):
of the head and it's kind of looking this direction
and it did it kind of looks back. It's out there.
I know it's been released on the inner web. That
was one of the earliest pieces that the woman took.
There was a whole story behind that, interesting how she
got it. But that one is the reason that she's

(41:02):
called Matilda or Maddie is because my wife and the
woman involved, I think my daughter and several other the
ladies that were involved in the project were looking at
it one day and they said, he said, you know,
look at all that matted hair on her. He said,
let's color Maddie. So that's where they come up with
the name Matilda. So yeah, but that was one of

(41:27):
the first pieces of footage. But again I wasn't involved
in the project till after that was procured. But the
first time I saw that, I was blown. And I
can tell you that I did see that same profile
and head and the figure myself several times in various
situations while I was out there. So and I think
that that one there is actually one of the larger

(41:49):
ones the ones I was mentioning earlier about being around
six foot because the.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Juvenile one is God. No, I'm I wasn't going to
ask a quick question before, and then they'll let you
get to the little ones, because if we had a
little one in our place too, were they vocal? I
mean you got audio and stuff, But were they like
howling vocals or were they very just like whoop over here,
a little break or a little knock, something like that,

(42:16):
or were they howling all the time, because at my
area they were they weren't very vocal. You would catch
them once in a while, but nothing about how about there?

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Very good question, Very good question. I don't I don't
actually touch that subject too much, as you know, something
I had noted. But no, not at all, not like
other places here in the West where I live. We
go into research areas. Of course, these are vast areas.
You know, you can get howls and responses and wood
knocks out there. I think it was due to the

(42:49):
fact that we're in a rural area. There's homes, you know, homesteads,
and they're scattered around. It's not a thriving the top metropolis.
Don't get me wrong, but there's homes ski at it around.
But I think because of that. The one thing I
noted is the lack of any loud vocalizations. Ever during

(43:10):
that there was several sounds that they would make it
we'd know they're around, but we never heard like long howls.
We never experienced wood knocks until we actually conducted one experience.
Once we knew they were down in the woods near
the property and we had been kind of having ongoing
back and forth with them, and we decided just out

(43:32):
of the blue to try a few wood knocks, and
that elicited a wood knock for two back, along with
the most incredible scream I've ever heard. And I had
my audio gear going and I'll be Dan Chris to
this day. I lost that audio record. I don't know
how it happened, but it didn't record on my device

(43:56):
when everything else recorded fight that one. I went to
replay back and the SD card I was using corrupted.
How often does that happen?

Speaker 4 (44:07):
It could have been the frequency that I had too,
you know, the frequency is a thing as of late,
and they could have they I don't know. I tried
to explain, but okay, go ahead. Sorry, it didn't mean.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
No, it happened, and it doesn't happen that often. But
my god, I was so disappointed because it was it
was that scream that sounded like, hey, we're down here,
quit messing with us or whatever. But it sounded like
that woman, the crazy screaming woman being murdered in the woods.
It was incredible, you know, and I lost someone, but

(44:40):
I didn't get a lot of others.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Mainly what they would do around there, Chris, to answer
your question, would be branch breaking. When they come into
the area. They'd be gone for a week, two weeks,
sometimes three weeks in the winter, we wouldn't see her
here for them, and then one day suddenly she would
come in the house after coming home from work in
the evening and she said, I think I heard one.

(45:05):
What they would do if they saw her car pull
in or we are around there, they would snap a
branch down in the trees. Okay, loud snap, pop right
or the other thing. And I'll try to recreate this.
I'm pretty good at it because I've heard it so much.
But it was a low grunt and it basically just
sounded like this. It was like a oh, just like that.

(45:30):
You'd hear it come from the tree lines down there.
And I heard that sound more than anything else with
the snapping in the wood, but never any blatant screams, howls,
wood knocks. Only the wood knock when we did it
first ourselves. So I think part of it is. And
maybe in your situation as well, as they don't need

(45:51):
to be vocal, maybe they don't want to give themselves
away for whatever reasons. You know, they don't need to
communicate that far out. Oh, I don't know what what's
your theory on that?

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Well, I agree one hundred percent. You did in the
winter once once a month if that. Sometimes they wouldn't
come for a whole month, but you knew when they
were there because they would snap at you. That's how
we knew when they were close. But my guys, they
like to throw rocks. They'd like to throw stones at you,
but never hit you, but to let you know. And
then they like to knock when they're in back here.

(46:23):
Because we did a pat of the same hike all
the time, never veered from it that way. We would
notice that there was a rock left, or a feather left,
or something left for us along the trail, and there
was a down tree and sometimes a branch would be
on the left hand side or on the right hand side.
One time was balanced on top of this down trees.
They must have been right there, because how does the
tree stay balanced on top of right Yeah?

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, yeah, we had similar stuff. I'd have to say,
not so much with the balancing branches, but we'd occasionally
get rocks thrown at us when we're just sitting at
that patio and it come around and you know what,
we took it as career. Yes, we were like, you know,
you almost sense the communication is like, hey, get off
your butts, go in the house, make us something and

(47:09):
bring it out.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Yeah. Well, you learned what they liked. You learned what
they liked to you what they didn't like. They would
never eat hot dogs. They would never ever touch a
hot dog ever.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
I don't blame them, I.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
Mean that would That's another And then at the end, Dennis,
I don't want to take this is your interview, but
by the end, we were taking a tumbleware bowl and
putting everything in the tupple wear bowl and burying it
in the ground and putting stones and dirt and rocks
over it. And we would come up and everything would
be off the top. The rocks the stones, the tupple
whale lid would be popped, everything would be gone. They

(47:44):
never left anything. They always took it. They took the
peanut butter jars. We never found peanut butter jars, apples.
They took cold bags. We'd stopped piercing them in the trees.
We were piercing them in the trees because it would
take them to notice it was the hands, and we
would just finally we were just put them in bag
because they were taking the whole bag with them.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Oh wow, did you say that? Would they leave? Would
they leave stuff in exchange for that stuff?

Speaker 4 (48:08):
All or feathers and stones? They would play a game
with this quartz crystal that we had. They would take
it bring it back. We had a monkey and the
tree that had velcrow hands on it, and we would
strap it up in the tree like fourteen feet right
on a branch would be fourteen feet up and its
arms would be around the branch tied, and then it
would be on the ground. The next time we would

(48:30):
come up and the arms would still be tied. So
whatever did it had rip that thing up over the
branch and put it down on the ground.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
They just had to have a had to have apposable thumbs.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Yeah, yeah, that's what we try to do. We wanted
to prove that whatever was there was had to have hands.
We would put stones on top of the peanut butter
jar right on that, right right on the rock, and
then the peanut butter jar would be gone and the
stone would be left directly underneath where the peanut butter
jar was. Then you know there wasn't an animal that
was doing it.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Yeah, right, Well what we ended up? Oh sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
No, I was just gonna how did you figure out
that there was a family unit there? That's that's the
next question I got for.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Mainly because the different subjects we dealt with. I had
a visual on, like I said, six different times, and
we knew we had recorded the younger one and then
this around six foot tall. I saw one night pulling
into the driveway we were going to go out and
do what we call our night ops with a husband,

(49:34):
and I had pulled into They had a long drive
that kind of snake back behind homes and onto this
property was surrounded by tobacco fields and dense you know woods,
and there was one light, a lamp, sodium vapor lamp
on a light pole in their parking area near the
garage by the house. Everything else beyond that was woods

(49:55):
and dark. And as I turned in there that night,
with all my gears sitting next to me in my car,
I had night vision audio gear, everything sitting their cameras,
and I turned into that driveway and I turned the
headlights off the car, and I look quarter mile down
and I see who I thought was the was the

(50:18):
husband standing by that light, But quickly I realized that
it's standing in the shadow of the light. So the
beam is casting a shadow, and it's going down this
hill and down the hollow into the on the grass
and the and the weeds, and down into the hall,
into the darkness of the hollow, and this thing is

(50:40):
standing right in that shadow. But it was silhouetted with
the light around it, and it was almost his height.
He was a tall guy, he was six foot two
or three, skinny guy, and this thing was almost his height.
But you know, within seconds I realized it wasn't him,

(51:02):
and I saw its head turned towards me, because what
struck me right away was the head size. The head
was much bigger than the person's. It's fluffy, and they're
not so. The ones in Kentucky aren't conical like everyone,
says Patterson. Gimlin has got a conical, you know, ahead
cone shaped to the head, but these were more rounded.

(51:24):
They were round and kind of big, just kind of
fat around. And I don't know if the hair made
it look that odd. It was just add an odd
shape to it. But I could see the head was
definitely not a person. And the first thing that really
impressed me was it turned towards the light or towards

(51:44):
my car as it realized I was coming down the
driving because it was totally frozen, like standing still, like
I guess it was hoping I was going by or something.
But then I think it realized I was coming towards
it down the driveway, and I saw its head just
cocked towards me a little bit. And then the first
thing it did was this left arm came up like this,

(52:05):
and its wrist went down like this, and it pumped
and it took a step forward. Something I can tell
you other people describe seeing, but I've seen it time
and again the initiation of a stride or a walk.
They tend to pump with their arms. It was like
someone trying to swim through the air right and it pumped.
And when it did that, Chris, the arm was huge.

(52:29):
It I can't describe it. The arm was disproportionate to
the rest of it and where it bent, where the
knuckle in the hand was, it was just enormous. And
I knew then I wasn't looking at a person, and
I feel like I had caught it out in the open.
It was kind of out there doing something that was
waiting for the car to go by, but instead it

(52:50):
turned on the drive and then it just kind of
went into a casual stride and disappeared behind their parking
garage right there. It all happened within seconds, and I
was like, Holy credit, what just happened. I look down
and there's my camera. Everything is next to me, and
there's no way I would have got it if I
would have had the camera on and running when I

(53:13):
turned down that driveway, which I had no reason too.
We usually never had anything like that happen. You know.
We have to go out in the fields and go
on the back to have any experiences. And I didn't
expect to cash it there in the open, but I did,
And to this day, I'm like, dang it. It would
have been incredible footage if I'd had that stuff there.
But that kind of stuff happened actually quite frequently where

(53:36):
you're not prepared and you try to be all the
times you're carrying your gear, but you just can't. It's
the unpredictable. Unpredictability of the research is part of the
you know, the hill to climb trying to do it.
But yeah, so that was one of the ones that
I say why believe there was four? Because we also
have a piece of footage with two of them crossing

(53:59):
a field ackle field using the PBS fourteen night vision device,
and they're following each other. They're walking in a single
file along the tree line. It's ten or eleven at night,
but they're walking and it's quite a distance. It's not close,
it's a distance away, but they're walking. One's following the
other one, and you could see the one in front's

(54:19):
a little taller than the one behind it, but they're
almost similar in size. And I say they're females. And
the only reason I say that is not because we
could see like patty breasts, but because the body shape
on those three individuals, the young one and these two
others were very pear shaped like a woman. It's like

(54:40):
the hips kind of really came out fairly wide, and
the shoulders were narrower, you know, they weren't. They weren't
like everyone describes a male sasquatch, you know, linebacker shoulders.
They were, you know, more adequate to the body, but
just heavy, wide body and hip. So that's why we

(55:01):
say female. We assume that.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
So do you think that the juveniles are allowed more
to come and mess with you more than more frequently
than the adults. Do you think that's the case.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
I think in this family group, I think they had.
The family group itself probably is inter what would you
call that intergenerational, with the mother putting food out, who
knows how many years in that area before the woman
has herself got involved as a child, And I think
maybe that family group felt comfortable enough with those with

(55:37):
her particularly, but they tend to show a certain level
of comfort with her husband, even though the husband and
her they were only married a few years before this
whole thing happened, so he was fairly new to the scene.
And then of course when I showed up, I was
there regularly. I would go usually two weeks there and

(55:58):
two weeks home or two an a half weeks and
a few weeks home and back and forth, all the
time flying or driving to Kentucky. And over time they
became I think more accustomed to me being there because
I would go out with her often, and that was
the intent for them to get used to me and
then our local scientists as well. But she didn't have

(56:20):
as much success. She didn't get along well with the couple.
They were pretty rough on her, so she didn't get
along well, and so she didn't spend much time with them.
But I did. As a project manager, I had to
be there all the time. I had to make sure
they had the equipment, they had cameras, they had recording gear,
and negotiation issues, you know. So over time they I

(56:49):
feel like they became comfortable with my presence because I
was with her and I didn't present any threat. And
I had a few experiences where I was there myself
and I had one yelling at me from the tree
trees back in there that and I could tell, I mean,
it wasn't a yell like a person, but it was
an agitated all right, you've been out here trying to
you know, looking at me long enough get out of here,

(57:11):
go go back home. That kind of message was sent
to me. And gibberish whatever they use. And speaking of that, yeah,
I've we've heard some sort of language, gibberish thing that
you don't it's an intelligible but it's as describe what
you've heard other people say. But not often, you know,
but we've heard that there. Mostly it's the grunts and

(57:32):
the branch breaking. It's more subtle stuff, you know.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
So were there folks trying to break into the property,
trying to get in on the parade, you know, trying
to be at a piece you did you have to
chase people out of there.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
The biggest problem right off the bat, there was a
group out of Yellowknife, Canada that was the ones that
was really mutting it up, claiming that what the couple
was experience was worth millions of dollars and they could
be millionaires. Don't work with Ada and blah blah blah.
So that created a whole bunch of problems because the
guy himself, he was he wasn't so excited about the

(58:09):
bigfoot subject. Her husband he was like, yeah, I don't
know what these things are, but you know, if we
can become rich, and millionaires. That's the most important thing
to me. I don't want nice cars and nice things.
They were a pretty poor family, but you know, that's
what he wanted. And she was like, no, these are
my babies. These things need me, They depend on me,

(58:30):
they trust me. I've built this relationship all these years.
I don't want to mess that up. I don't want
to betray him. I don't want to mess up that valuable,
you know, situation relationship that I built with them. So
there was that dichotomy going on, and but these people

(58:51):
affected him, and he was pretty much he wore the
pants in the family and he was very strong about it.
So that really caused a lot of issues with us
and to keep research moving forward, and I think really
negative in such ways that we could have done so
much more there than what eventually ended up happening. But

(59:16):
I forgot what I would initially. What were you asking initially.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
About this trying to crash your party?

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Yeah, so initially that first year that we were there.
There's a guy named Tom Biscardi. I don't know if
people have heard of him. He's kind of went into
the shadows lately, but he used to be pretty big
in a big footing field. He was the guy that
came up with all these elaborate plans, and I think
it was involved in some weird stuff, maybe hoaxes. I

(59:44):
don't want to use that term loosely or anything, because
I don't know him personally. But he had a big
presence in the big footing field, and he had a
lot of money and backers, and he had a whole
crew of guys that was working with him. Well, he
got end of the location and he ended up within
the first three or four months of the project making

(01:00:07):
friends with the neighbor that lived two houses down from
the property location we were working on, and he went
back there with his whole crew of guys, ten guys.
They were wearing army boots and you know, fatigues, and
they were all dressed to go to combat with bigfoot,

(01:00:27):
you know in the backyard. You know, the typical Bigfoot
researchers think they're, you know, going to go to war
with these things or something. But well, no offense of
the camel. But these guys literally looked like they were addressed,
you know, coming coming right out of the military. And
you know that's part of that's part of the facade.
You know, I understand that they.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
Got I'm just busting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
But anyways, they come over and they made friends with her,
and they did some live broadcasts and telling about how
they're in the backyard and they're going to make all
these pancakes and they're going to get those big Foot
to come over here to her and they're going to
get all the evidence, and that you know, they were
the ones that we're going to bust us loose, and

(01:01:13):
that they shouldn't be working with Adrian, And in fact
that turned out to be. Later on, they contacted our
couple and tried to get that couple to breach their
contracts and secret meetings and to bribe them with a
bunch of money and stuff to come work with them
instead of working with Adrian, and even saying stuff like, well,
contracts are made to be broken, you don't need to

(01:01:35):
you know, we got lawyers will help cover you. Just
ditch those guys and come work with us, and all
kinds of nasty stuff going on there, And fortunately I
was able to keep that from happening. They had to
do a lot of you know a lot of talking
and a lot of negotiating and stuff. But what ended

(01:01:58):
up happening, is they They ended up One day I
was there and they ended up coming down through some
neighbors property, about two or three houses down and cutting
across their property, jumping over fences. Now this is all
private land over there, right, Well, they're going over fences.
They're going over people's fences with a whole crew of guys.

(01:02:21):
And I told the husband that morning, I said, yeah,
they're driving around with the truck. They were driving up
and down the street with a truck, and on the
side of their truck they had this trailer and it
said Bigfoot Research with a big graphic on the side
of the Bigfoot. And they had Tom Buscarty and all
this promotional stuff, and he had the whole town, the
whole city all up and kind of you know, everybody
was like, you know, just kind of up, and you know,

(01:02:45):
excited about this researcher over there because we had been
keeping our stuff on the down low. And so anyways,
we one morning, I was over at his house and
we see these guys start crossing the field. We'd seen
them go up and down the road several times that morning,
and then they parked down at somebody's house and they
started crossing private land and they went down trying to

(01:03:06):
cut down behind their house and their property into the hollow.
And anyways, the guy, the husband, grabbed his rifle and
I said, hey, dude, wait hold on. He was pissed
and he went he went out the back door and

(01:03:27):
raised that rifle towards him and let off around towards him,
and he goes, next, one's gonna hit you. And I'm like, hey, dude,
calm down. We don't need the sheriff out here. Jesus,
you know, it's just blowing up. I thought he was
going to shoot one of them, right, I mean the
guy had all yeah, I mean, I wouldn't doubt if

(01:03:48):
he would have. But he shot over their heads and
they're over there, there are a couple hundred yards away,
and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, dude, don't stop, don't shoot,
don't shoot. So they ended up going back up the hill.
But that's the kind of stuff that was going on.
They would get into the property, trespass without asking for permission,
trying to get down into the hallows below and set

(01:04:09):
up who knows what traps cameras, you know, illegally. And
that went on and then we had I know this
sounds weird, but we had black helicopters flying over the property,
a lot low flying planes. We had cars cruising up
and down the road that looked like government cars. Over
that year, you know, the few years, it's a lot

(01:04:30):
of weird stuff going on. And you know, people talk
about UFOs associated with this subject. Yeah. I never personally
saw one there, but the husband said twice he saw
lights right above the trees with no sound, down in
the hollow below where the where they would have often

(01:04:51):
their encounters. And you know, bright colorful light like UFOs
float around out there no sound, and so you know,
and stuff happens.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
So but have you ever seen like an orb or
anything like that? Do you ever witness any of that stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Yeah, I was. I was not a big proponent of
any of that because I never really experienced that stuff.
I'm trying to stay level. You know, we work with scientists.
We don't want to shape chase anyone off and make
people think we're you know, in the woo factor. But man,
I can't explain it. But I've saw orbs and lights,
and not just there in Kentucky, but in some of

(01:05:31):
our research areas and here in Colorado, and it's not
just me, but multiple eyewitnesses too it at the same time.
So I've seen I've seen disembodied lights that shouldn't be
in the woods in the dark, almost like a led
lamps or lights you know, that are there, and then
they move in odd ways and then they're gone. And yeah,

(01:05:51):
strange stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
Yeah, I've I started off in the Flesh and Blood
Club when I first started off, and things have I mean,
we'll talk again after over and we'll keep in touch
and I'll fill you in and all the stuff that's happened.
But like I told you about the coyote leg and
all that stuff, I mean, things have gotten real weird
over the years here, and you got to go where
it brings you. You got to bring where the evidence

(01:06:16):
leads you. That in my opinion, at least, that's where
I got to go. So I never saw an ORB
until last year up at snow Grove. We went to
Snowgrove Lake in Canada and we had an ORB show
go on one night that everybody witness except for Doug
didn't get a chance to see one, but we heard
the voice that came over the We had voices coming
over the security cameras and stuff like. It was crazy.

(01:06:39):
And this is five hundred square miles of nothing, just
us in the cap and two boats.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Oh wait, would you say voice? What do you mean
some voice?

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
Yeah, something came across the security cameras and instead it
sounds like it says, I'll talk with you. That's where
he goes, I talk with you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Oh, I can even pee.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Y e VP of some sort. But yeah, we don't
know what it was, but it was was pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
Okay, So I'm gonna I'm gonna open up some question
the questions here. We're already over the hour mark here
and uh, and we got to get Dennis on his way.
But I've got a question to ask you. We have
a lot of members to the show. Would you be
interested in taping the show with me for like an
hour when we got free time and then for the
for the members on the show and tell more about

(01:07:29):
the the Erickson project and the stuff that went on there.
Would interesting? Okay, So everybody who's a who's a member
to the show or to the network.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
And I'm told we're gonna I'll let you know when
it's available and then all members will be able to
to go on in and see extra extra stuff from
Dennis and listen to some more stories. What happened down
there in Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Yeah, there was. There was a lot of stuff. I've
very abbreviated, you know, five years. How do you condense
that down? But a lot of stuff and a lot
of fascinating things. I wish I had time to share
them all. But there's there's a lot of really interesting
things that occurred there.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
So well before we go, you want to, uh, you
want to just let us in on like what it was?
What was like the coolest thing that ever happened to
you went there? What was the most exciting interaction that
you you had?

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Honestly that I think the coolest thing. I mean, I
was up in a tree stand with the husband one night.
We were we spent many hours in tree stands and
in the dark and in the you know, along the
tree lines and in the woods, and we were outfitted
with camp quarters and night vision all the things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
I often carried audio gear. The one thing that I
tried to emphasize the researchers out there is sasquatch tend
to be very careful about showing themselves. We all know that.
But the one thing they always dropped the ball on
and they don't put as much consideration as the noise
they make. Audio gear is to me an essential part

(01:09:04):
of researching. If you have good audio gear, don't skip
on that. I get good audio gear quality microphones. I
use Birding quality stuff. But you can almost always hear
them before you see them, at least in Kentucky, it
was a very useful tool. And I'll give an example.

(01:09:27):
We were up on a tree stand one night and
at that time I only had one camquarder up and
going with and I fitted with PVS fourteen and so
I gave that to the husband and he was sitting
next to me on this big tree stand. We had
set up about fifteen twenty feet off the ground in
this lick of woods that came out of the tobacco field,
and we had had the wife come out, the woman

(01:09:50):
who'd been doing this. We had her come out with
her plate of food. We knew they were in the
area because she said she had been hearing them that
day and I think the day before. So our intent
was to pay put food out near the edge of
the tree line to see if we can get capture
some more video, even if it was night vision footage. Right,
So he had the camcorder. I'm sitting to his left,

(01:10:13):
and I've got my audio gear only, and I'm wearing
headphones like this with my microphones set down near my
knee and listening intently. Now that's a very amplified listening device.
Once I got it set up right, I can hear
a lot of things really well. And we sat there
for six or seven hours. Nothing was happening. It was dark,

(01:10:33):
it was cold, it was quiet, and eventually was getting
kind of tired. But then something caught my attention because
I heard what almost sounded like a small animal down
in the bush below me. There was a little trail
that cut through that finger of woods, and it was
very heavily overgrown, but it was a little trail, and

(01:10:55):
that I thought it sounded like something was moving through there,
but like a small animal, you know. And so I
moved the microphone in that direction and I'm listening, and
I could just hear just the subtle as a little
snap or crack, and so I listened for a little
bit and then kind of went away. So then I
pulled it back and I'm pointing it out towards the
ahead of me again towards the field, and that microphone

(01:11:19):
was so sensitive that after a minute or two, I
started here in footfalls and this is footfalls on grass. Okay,
so there's grass all around there, right, but I could
hear this distinctive foot falls into the grass. And I

(01:11:40):
glanced over towards Roger. I didn't Yeah, he's looking with
the camquarder. He's got it to his eye and he's
facing out across the field that way. He can't hear it.
He doesn't know. He doesn't have the equipment I have.
He's just got the camcorder and he's facing it out
that way, about one hundred yards towards the plate of food.
And just as I look towards him, I looked down
and I see this figure come out from behind that

(01:12:03):
tree line. And it must have been twenty thirty feet
from me, direct line of sight down and it's this.
It's one of those larger females I described earlier, six
foot tallly. It's one of those two. I could see
the distinctive body shape, all dark brown, black colored hair

(01:12:24):
and on the dark you can't tell. We got a
little bit of moonlight but there was enough moonlight I
could see the entire figure. And she was walking with
crossing her legs like a commando stalk like her, crossing
her right foot over her left leg and walking with
her elbows kind of like this and hunched over. So

(01:12:44):
she's kind of in a sneaking pose, and she's coming
around that tree line. She did not know we were there, apparently.
And now Roger, their husband, looking out across the field
over there, and immediately I see her head to toe.
I mean, I see the full figure and I it's

(01:13:07):
that close to me. And I was so you know,
taken back by just suddenly there it is. You know again,
it's like out of the blue, there's something happening, and
he never expected it. I instinctively took the back of
my hand and I patted his knee next to me
twice to get his attention and try to point down
that way. Well, just a mere act of just patting

(01:13:27):
his knee. It hurt it. Very good hearing, I guess,
but it hurt it. You know. I patted his knee
and it stopped, and it turned and looked up towards
me and Chris. Its reaction was the elbows went up
like this one, like you know, somebody had just got
the you know, it scared out of him. Its elbows
go up like this, and it made his really loud

(01:13:49):
grunt like her, and turned and ran off behind us
into the woods. It was over. I saw the whole
thing head to toe, and and the guy next to me,
he didn't see it. It was it happened so fast.
He heard it, but he didn't see it. So it
ran off into the woods next to us, a little

(01:14:10):
you know cup about one hundred yards away, and it
got into the into the tree line over there, and
then for the next minute or two it sat over there,
mad and it was grunting at us doing the right
and I was like, whoa that was if only I
had that camera in my hand, and I was looking

(01:14:31):
down at that spot ready for it coming. But again,
so I go back to the details of it. No
human being could be moving around that stealthily in that dark.
There's a little bit of moonlight, but when you get
into those woods, it's it's, you know, really dark, and
it's moving around in those woods like a mouth. So

(01:14:53):
it's moving very cautiously and carefully and quietly. No human
being we moved through there during the day and we
are crashing and snapping and breaking, we make a racket
through there. This thing is moving through that thing utterly,
stealthily and silent, and then when it came around the trees,
it's moving in a commando type of very cautious, careful,

(01:15:17):
meditated steps. Incredible And then you say to yourself, well,
and no, wonder you know why they're so hard to
get a beat on these things. That they're just very
highly intelligent and capable of doing what they do. And
I think it knew, it knew we were out there somewhere.
I just don't think it knew we were in the
tree stand, and it didn't expect us to be there.

(01:15:37):
But she had put that food out there six or
seven hours prior, right about before the sun went down,
and it waited that long to get to it. That's
cautious and careful it was to approach that it wouldn't
get caught. So that was very There was many other
things that happened. That was one of the most impressionable

(01:15:59):
events that happened while I was out there. I was
just blown away by that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
So you were between her and her dinner and she.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Was not yep. But they continued to take food after that,
so you know, I mean down the road, you know,
months and years down the road. So you know, we
would catch them, we would bust them, but they would
they would continue to accept those offerings from time to time,
but again very cautiously and carefully, and never from the

(01:16:27):
same directions are at the same time. All was broken up,
so it's unpredictable.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
So all right, well, we got time for a couple
of questions here, guys, and then we're gonna we're gonna
get uh. Let Dennis get on on his way. So
Blue Eye Northern asked, did you ever hear of any mimicking?

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
No, you know, one time, if I recall, she had
said that, and this is the woman had been feeding them.
I think she had told me once that she was
out there, and I said earlier that they grunt and
they snapped branches and let them know they're there. But
I think one time she said that she had thought
she had heard someone call her name from the woods

(01:17:12):
and it's and it wasn't like her husband, but it
was kind of like a female voice. But I think
she had said she'd heard that once. But you know, gosh,
it's two thousand and five to now. I've gotten notes everywhere,
but I haven't. It's been a while since I read.
But I'm pretty sure she's heard that once, but very rarely.
It must have only happened once that I can recall.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
So been reported, that's for sure, Lay Warner. Does she
use paper plates or dinner china?

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
So good, great question, and I didn't have time to
cover this, and I wanted to say that, but paper plates.
And the reason we used paper plates is we were
gathering saliva samples and DNA samples off those plates because
the one thing we did know was that these things
would take fairly regularly. Once every few weeks, they'd take

(01:18:04):
a plate, even though you set it out there, and
raccoons and cats and dogs would get it. But every
once in a while they would take that plate and
they would lick them clean, and she would put syrup
or honey or peanut butter on those plates that stick
to the bottom of them, so they'd literally have to
lit that plate clean and leave all that saliva on them.
And we had processed something several dozen of those plates

(01:18:28):
over the years, and we did colluct hair samples off
of them and sliva samples, but in two thousand and
five it was difficult to extract usable DNA from saliva.
It breaks down pretty quick. You have to swab cheeks,
you have to literally lift cellular sloughed cells from the

(01:18:49):
inside of the mouse to get anything somewhat usable, but
even those break down quickly. So eventually in the end
of the project, when we knew we were going to
sunset it in about twenty ten, we had gathered forty
two pieces of footage, but the DNA was the critical
thing we felt we needed before we were going to

(01:19:10):
close out that project. It became too difficult to continue.
We were able to procure a sample of blood from
one of those subjects using a plate that had lacerated
the tongue or a lip while it was cleaning that
plate and left blood, and that was part of I'm
not sure if your viewers might have heard of Melbo

(01:19:32):
catch them in her DNA project, but we submitted a
pretty good sizable samples of blood to that project, which
helped I think move that along pretty good, and Adrian
actually helped fund that. At the time, Melba didn't have
the money to process a lot of that DNA, which
required a lot of consumable lab equipment, and Adrian was

(01:19:53):
able to come up with the money to help her
move that along, and all the other beneficiaries who had
submitted samples to her were able to it helped them
as well. But Adrian was a big factor in all
of that, and he doesn't seem to get much credit
for that. But we did collect the slide of samples.
We did collect the blood, but ultimately it was the blood.

(01:20:15):
Hair doesn't yield much unless you can get the bulbs
at the end, and if they even at that, they're
fragmented DNA samples. But the blood was really good. That
did really lead to some interesting stuff. But I won't
go into that here. I think some people are familiar
with that for now.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
So well, I want to say thank you so much.
I've learned a lot. I've never I don't mean to
knock it or nothing, but I'm new to the game
and I've only been around for so on, and I
wasn't familiar with this, and I am now my eyes
are open to a whole new thing. And now I
have to go binge everything I can find on it
and learn more about it. And now I got your number,

(01:20:53):
So now I'm gonna be calling you late night and
three o'clock in the morning, drunk calls and asking you questions.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
You can do that. I may not answer it, but
you can call.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
No, I'm not going to do that, but I want
to say thank you so much for coming on and
thank you for agreeed to do that member only show.
That's gonna be great. That's a new thing that we're
trying here, and I'm told and oh sounds great. Yeah,
to give members, you know, special privilege. They join up,
they you know, they pay a little bit, and I
mean so it might as well give them something a

(01:21:25):
little extra, right, Yeah. Yeah, So again, thank you and
everybody in the chat that was great tonight and they're
saying great show, and Dayane Foler saying it's been a
great show. Chris, great guest, Dennis, So yeah, thank you
so much for being part of Well.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Thank you. Yeah, appreciate that myself. Yeah, I don't talk
about the subject much. I've I've kind of done my
own thing. We still do research here in Colorado when
we can. We're going to be on a New Mexico
at Hoyts property in a few weeks and I'm looking
forward to that. I had an incredible piece of audio
I recorded out of there last year, and unfortunately I

(01:22:04):
was not able to get to figure out how to
upload that that sound file to you to play it tonight.
I really wish you could have.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
But wait, is that the one you send you from
hoy Dre.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Yeah, I don't know if you got it, but I'm
not able to do it on this computer.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
Again. We're going to play it right now before you go.
Here we go? You ready?

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Yeah? Could I explain it real quick before you play?
Do we have time?

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
After you get done, okay, yeah, make it brief. We
were on his property, great location. The previous night. There
was a lot of LK activity because this is September
and there's a lot of fugling going on. The ruts
started early and there was a few cow elk and
some caps in the field near us hundred yards away.
The second night, the more bugling. This bull was going

(01:22:50):
crazy out there, and I had my audio gear deployed
and were I was listening. And often I'll put my
headphones on and go to bed listening, you know, ten
to eleven at night, and I'm falling asleep to all
the night sounds and listening to this bowl going crazy
and bugling, and after one of the bugles, I capture
this scream, which is going to hear shortly, but it

(01:23:11):
was almost in my mind the scream is a response
to the last bugles. That bowl was making everyone mad
because everyone was trying to sleep, and that bowl just
kept bugling and bugling, and I think whatever it was
that responded the bull, I think it was a squatch,
was telling the bowl to shut up. But long story,

(01:23:32):
short is you'll hear the full clip is. I did
not edit it from the last bowl bugle to the
actual scream, and when you first hear it's about thirty
eight seconds. I think between the two you have to
really listen with headphones, but there's a very low, deep
grumble and growl before it goes into a manlike scream,

(01:23:54):
very loud in that area, echoed off the hills, knowing
that everyone was in there in their camper, so there
was no man that we know about there. We think
it was one of the squatches, but it was really
fascinating and then funny enough, after that screen, that bowl
shut up for the next forty five minutes. There was
no more bugling or sounds, so interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Go ahead, Chris, all right, let me know if this
is if this is the correct recording, because this is
the one I downloaded. Okay, just give me a nod.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
That's it said. We didn't we didn't get the bowl bugle.
I left that in there, but that's okay. Here it is. Yeah,

(01:25:21):
sounds a sound.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Is looping.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Is that already already it's looping. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
So it's our first the first initial gut thing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
So it was originally the the you heard the bull bugle.
I don't know how it looped that way, but the
bull bugle was first. And then there was that delay
thirty eight seconds or so, and then and then that
screaming that hell and man, that thing echoed throughout that valley,
and you, if you really listen to it headphones, that low,
deep grumble before them let out. It sounds animalistic, and

(01:26:03):
then it sounds like a man at the end. So
interesting stuff. But when White heard that, I replayed that
for him and his sister the next day, and he said, yep,
we hear that all the time out here. That's one
of the squatch. I said, well, I believe it, so
very cool.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
All right, Well, well, I just want to say thank you.
I'm going to put you backstage. Don't go anywhere because
I'll talk to you and as soon as I say
good night to everybody, and I'll be right back.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Good night, folks.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, mister Dennis, fol all right,
all right, all right. What a great show that was,
What a great show that was. I am off next week.
I am on call for work. I will be and
so I will not be here the following week after.

(01:26:53):
I have Jonathan Brown from Salish Sasquatch on the show.
If you're not familiar with them, guys have a lot
going on up and I believe Washington State where they're from,
and they have a lot of great videos, so go
on and check them out. We have them coming on
two weeks. So that's about it. Off next week and

(01:27:14):
then back in two weeks. Pay attention to my channel
coming up I got. I'm gonna make some videos of
what's going on at Rockthorugh Alley. I believe we have
made contact up there once again and we are going
to start trading up there. I am made the trip
to the mountain now in forty five minutes. If I
can get it down within a half hour time. I
will visit there like I used to when I first started,

(01:27:35):
three or four times a week. If I can't, so
keep watching. We got stuff going on up there. It's exciting.
It reminds me of Larry's when it first started. So
that's it. So everybody, have a great week, have a
great weekend, be safe, stay cool in summertime, and as

(01:27:57):
our friend Larry says, get in the woods.

Speaker 5 (01:28:16):
Out of my head, out of the best of sleep bed.
Could I be dead?

Speaker 6 (01:28:26):
Is it something that I have done?

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
Did I lead you.

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
To think that I was gone?

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Decide clear? Come me? How cannot be hold myself?

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
I don't bla so far.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Once in a wild.

Speaker 6 (01:29:09):
I get tired of talking.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
I'm good on a smile.

Speaker 6 (01:29:15):
Let my auttery go, we revert go. The stays were
all the show. I can see myself.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Sweet.

Speaker 5 (01:29:48):
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