Squatchin' Holler #11 Cryptid Case Files: The Officers' Reports with D.A. Roberts and Robby Raines

DA and Robby joins for some stories about dogman and Bigfoot. We discuss why so many police officers become Bigfoot researchers and how their collegues react to the subject.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Squatching Holler.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
In the midst where the trees lean loop. Squatching Hollers
got a tail.

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The show wisps creep like a creature, spain out.

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Every shadows got a secret to grow? Monsters rise Where
the stories are too?

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Squatching Hollow where the legends are born?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Are they here?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Are they gone?

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Who can say?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
In the hollow of the truth just slips away. Huge
footprints fade where the creek runs them. A lantern sways.

(01:23):
Let the search beak in rustling leaves. But there's no
one there, is it the wind or the beast?

Speaker 4 (01:32):
You fear?

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Everywhere goes a question. Every russell's a clue.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Swatching Holly's got its eyes on you.

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Monsters where the stories are told? Swatching how where the
legends are born?

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Are they Are they gone?

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You can see.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
The truth that's.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Now with your Squatching Holler.

Speaker 6 (02:01):
Hosts Roger Williams, Amanda Stowers and Ashley end.

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Remembers.

Speaker 6 (02:12):
This podcast can be downloaded everywhere great podcasts are found.

Speaker 7 (02:16):
And now the show.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
This is Jeremiah Biron from Bigfoot Society, and you're listening
to Squatch and Holler, So get ready because it's a
good time.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
Oh I love that.

Speaker 6 (02:34):
Thank you, Jeremiah. That was awesome. Oh Roger, you're silent.
You need to hear you.

Speaker 8 (02:44):
Good good catchy'all.

Speaker 6 (02:45):
Here you go.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
It wasn't me this time.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
So the guys we have coming home, they're friends with
Naoma Finn and we played hers last week. She did one.

Speaker 7 (02:56):
It was great cool.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, well I might play that at the in so
I actually can see that.

Speaker 8 (03:02):
How y'all been good?

Speaker 6 (03:04):
Has been wide open? Oh my goodness, been wide open?

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Yeah, busy week.

Speaker 8 (03:10):
So Ashley, how's your show doing?

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Not as well you would like it to be, but
you know whatever, all good things in time, and I
just want to say thank you guys for your support.
Next episode, we'll premiere this coming Monday the thirteenth, and
it will feature Alan McKenna of Luckness Exploration fame. We're
going to talk Edinburgh ghost stories and kind of share

(03:34):
a little bit of how we met and of course
talk about all things messy on this particular episode. So
I will say it's not alive just due to the
scheduling conflict conflicts, him being in Scotland obviously me in
the States, so it will be pre recorded. But hey,
I welcome everybody to come check it out, and nonetheless
it should be a good time. Thank you for asking Roger,

(03:55):
by the way, it means a lot.

Speaker 8 (03:56):
You know, We're proud of you.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
Yes, very very your last episode with Strange Oligy was
very good. I really enjoyed the conversation. So it got
out to Ashley. Y'all check out her her show if yeah,
I haven't watched.

Speaker 8 (04:12):
It yet Monday nights, So this show tonight.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
I wanted to get these guys on for a long time,
but you know, it's all in time, and and I'm
glad it's happening when it is because we have, you know,
we have expanded audience. And I have a little bit
of background working at the Sheriff's department a couple of
years h I was wanting to I wanted to do
be a detective, and I read as much as I

(04:41):
could at the time, unofficial training, ride alongs and a
lot of times. You know, when I first started doing this,
I was surprised that a lot of the officers or
former officers, investigators, uh, people with expertise and training that
that are into this. And I know how they're made up.

(05:02):
They're curious and if they see something they don't understand, man,
it just lights a fire. And also being a dispatcher,
and then knowing how much area the guys cover at
night by theirselves on the back roads in the hollows
when nobody else is awake. I got to think, and

(05:22):
you know they're in the spots to see this stuff, right.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Absolutely, And how many times have you heard watching other shows,
other podcasts, other documentaries, how often it's stated, you know,
this is a law enforcement officer, this is a professional
in the community that not only has no reason to
lie or deceive, they have everything to lose. That's their credibility,

(05:47):
Like it means something still even after all this time.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Absolutely, And the good part about it is they know
how to preserve evidence, document evidence, or or if they
don't know how to deal with a particular thing, they're
you know.

Speaker 8 (06:05):
They have they can't, they got people they can call,
you know.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
So well, for me, it's also the descriptions like just
full disclosure. I'm not great with distances like thirty yards.
I have to think about that. I have to say
I need I'm a landmark person. So it's like, okay,
well I was this many feet from this thing, like
I need to I need help visualizing certain things. So

(06:29):
when people like police officers, law enforcement first responders, you know,
I trust very much when they say thirty yards or
it was this tall, or they have the training to
to recognize certain markers and be and be accurate with
those right.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
And and also a lot of my friends that went
on to be deputies and city officers and detectives and all,
they go through stress training.

Speaker 8 (06:54):
They go through a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
So when when the you know, what's hitting the fan,
they're they're focused on what's at hand, so you you
might pick up a little more detail. And and you know,
with with somebody that hasn't gone through that training, that
may shut down and you don't get a good description.
So let's let's bring the guys on a lot of
people in chat, y'all. Y'all know Da and Robbie if

(07:16):
you watch Woodwalkers and and their shows, and we'll we'll
run the tickers and all nightmare hunters. Yeah, y'all read
their books probably, So here we go. Let's bring in
Da and Robbie. And for the people that don't know,
can y'all tell a little bit about yourself?

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Fellers, Robbie go ahead, you go.

Speaker 7 (07:37):
First, well, Robbie Rains, DA's co host were one of
his co hosts on the Nightmare Hunter podcast. Also, Uh,
an aspiring author like my.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Print, you're not aspiring anymore. Stop saying aspiring, You're in print. Brother.

Speaker 7 (07:57):
Hey, I'm trying to be like Doc and use big words.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Word here to break them down into loose change.

Speaker 7 (08:05):
Good point. Uh. Also, I'm a career police officer. I've
been a police officer for going on thirty years now,
still doing it. Been interested in en cryptids and things
like this my entire life, whether it be from my
sighting when I was a kid, the monster movies that

(08:26):
I grew up watching, and just all that stuff fascinates me.
And you know, me and this knucklehead kind of hooked up.
And you know how they say birds of a feather
flock together, Well, we've been flocking together.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
I think of it more in terms of our crazy
connected wealth.

Speaker 7 (08:41):
Yeah, I was trying to be eloquent. Se Yeah, he's
another big word. I to be proud of me, But yeah,
pretty much our crazy connected and throw Doc and Steve
in there too, and you just you know, it's it's
recipe for disaster most of the time.

Speaker 8 (08:57):
Well, y'all.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
But that's what I like about y'all. Your you're like
us and some of some of our mutual friends. We
take the subject seriously, but we like to have fun.
And you know that you gotta have fun, you know.

Speaker 8 (09:11):
When it comes time to be serious, it's you know,
you dig in. But I have a hard time listening
to I guess speeches, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
If somebody's there given a presentation, a lot of people
know how to do it, and they include the crowd
to have a little humor.

Speaker 8 (09:29):
If they don't, I'm I'm asleep. And that's on me
because I just can't.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
You know, I can't do that.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Isn't it true too? It's not what you do, it's
who you do it with. And I've had some amazing
jobs with like good jobs with people I can't stand
and it's horrible. But I've had some pretty creddy jobs
with some amazing people, and it's just it's who you're
It's who you're with that makes all the difference. We
have a great crew here, clearly, and it's nice to

(09:58):
see robbing da or have the exact same thing. You
can feel it, you can feel the chemistry. So this
is definitely I'm jazz for this show. Guys, I think
it's gonna be great.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Well, when you get us all together, me, Me, Robbie,
Doc and Steve. You get all of us together in
the same area. If there's something creepy, we're gonna be
in the woods poking it with a stick. Right, people
are running away, We're going, oh, let's go see what
this is.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yes, yeah, And you know, probably one of the first times,
you know, when I first started getting into this, I
watched I still watch a lot of shows, but uh,
I think y'all are the first ones, one of the
first ones to bring up dog Man and I'm.

Speaker 8 (10:36):
Like, whoa what?

Speaker 4 (10:38):
And you know y'all had y'all had so many experiences.
That's why I like talking to people like y'all because
it's not just one one thing. When you get out there,
you might be looking for Bigfoot, but there's so much
other other things that come along with it. You have
to you have to adjust the way you think it

(10:58):
you're thinking, and that along with your job too. Right,
you can't get boxed in and have an opinion before
you get there.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
That's not that's not good business.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
So I had a dogmented count of the first time
I ever met you, Roger, when we had the Woodwalkers
meeting Green at LBL the first one. Yeah, that that
very night we ended up having something. I'm one hundred
percent sure it was a dog man that was stalking
us that night.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
But were y'all kind of in the same area we
were or.

Speaker 7 (11:26):
Where we were camping? Uh, Greg Ogles took us uh
back back past the little visitor center up that just
after you pass it on the left when you go
through the Mumbers Bay and you go up that starting
to go up the hill, and there's that little cut
off that goes that first little graveyard up there. It
cuts back right up there. So probably what two three

(11:49):
miles from where we were camping.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
And the Mumber's Bay. You know, I talked to people
that fish.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
There all the time, have have for forty fifty years,
you know. And if you asked him where not to go,
that's on top of the list, you know, if if
you're just wanting to go have fun and not you know,
chase dog man, stay away from that place, and that
that seems to be that a place that pops up.

Speaker 7 (12:12):
Cast this down right here beside me too. He had
one there too.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Ain't nobody's chasing dog man, I assure you he's chasing you.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
Well, it seems to be how that goes.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
About three years ago, I went to spend a week
at LBL. I was doing I was pulling research for
a book and I wanted to walk the area and
I wanted to check out some of the stories. And
I got there. I was supposed to meet a buddy there,
Nick Valente. I was supposed to meet him there and
we were going to go explore LBL together. Well, I
got there a couple of days ahead of him, and

(12:44):
me being me, I didn't want to wait, so I
just jumped in with both feet and flash forward to
later that night. I'm into Mumber's Bay by myself at
two am. So what do I do? General, Yeah, it's
one of the creepiest places I've ever been. What do
I do? I parked my van with the headlights on
and I get out and start walking around all by myself.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
So I walked down to the water's edge to look
for tracks, and it was mostly rocky, so I couldn't
find anything. So I started following the edge of the water,
hoping to find some mud where I could maybe find tracks,
and didn't really realize how far I'd gotten away from
my van. I was probably one hundred yards away, maybe
not quite maybe between fifteen one hundred. Uh but uh,
I got the bright idea of playing predator calls on

(13:27):
my phone. I played Dying Rabbit. And you know how
sound travels weird over water at night.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
Oh yeah, it was not.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
And it was just off the speaker on my phone.
It wasn't a Bluetooth speaker or nothing. I was not
expecting it to be near as loud as it was.
But this Dying Rabbit call blasts out over the bay,
and like ten seconds later, I hear things coming at
me in the woods behind me, like from multiple directions.
I'm like, I need to get my ass back to
the van to take it.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
Like I got messed up.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah I'm in the wrong spot. They're fixing half fat
guy for breakfast.

Speaker 7 (14:02):
But yeah, you look at the time.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah, so I'm holing. But back to the back down
the edge of the edge of the lake. Make it
back to the ward of the old boat ramp was
And I run up to the van and I could
still hear them coming at me in the woods and
I hit that van had my long beams on and
I punched it and started backing out, played the headlights
out across the woods and there was about six sets
of green eye shine staring at me from the woods.

(14:25):
I'm like, yeah, I think I'm gonna go back to
the condo.

Speaker 8 (14:27):
Now, yep, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
One of the guys I interviewed just across like, wef
you go north on the water. They pulled over in
the boat and cooked a few hot dogs, and that's
when he saw his first couple of big foot in
that area. So it's it's active.

Speaker 8 (14:48):
You don't know, you never know what you're gonna run
up on.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah, it's one of the oddest places I've ever been.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah, and it's like you can have eighteen hours of
nothing and then you're like, why why am I doing this?
I need to get out of here, you know. It's
like it's amazing. Uh with all the wildlife. There's bad
enough with them chasing each other around, much less with
the weird stuff. And Robin.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Sorry, sometimes people when people are talking like they don't
mean to make a thought, it's my brain making connections
that may or may not be there. But what's interesting
to me is I'm thinking about previous guests and their
stories and just other people that I've talked to as well. Like,
I almost wonder if if the confusion or even fear

(15:38):
is palpable to these creatures, whether it's bigfoot, dog man whatever.
How many stories have we heard where people have you know,
lost track of time or it's getting dark, or they
wander too far from wherever their safety zone is, their cabin,
their car or whatever, and now, oh they're a little
bit scared, a little bit panicked. Maybe not even ascessarily

(16:00):
for Cryptid's sake, but just you know, being on the wilderness.
I wonder if that makes you a beacon to these
things that would have, under normal circramstances left you alone.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I think they formally recognize when you are alone. They
see you away from the rest of the herd, so
to speak. Oh, yeah, you're vulnerable. But I'll tell you
what else. They recognize the sound of the sound of
the hammer on a three fifty seven coming back. They
know what a gun is, yeah, they do.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
And you know, going back to some of our mutual friends,
and then things that happened to me, the bluff charge,
the rock throws or whatever. If you know, I'm too
old and fat to run. Got a bad help, so
you kind of have to make us stand and kind
of and like, you know, please don't hurt me or whatever.

(16:50):
And a lot of times they'll back off, you know,
if you show respect and head away.

Speaker 8 (16:57):
But there are certain times.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
See, well what d A did was he created that
situation with with the call the rabbit dying. So hey,
y'all free lunch, and and they're like, oh a buffet
when they saw da.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
But you know, I'm I'm like wag wago human, I'm
really wont markle. We both are.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Same here. Robbie, what what happened to you that night?
If you can?

Speaker 7 (17:30):
Well, it was the first night that well, not the
first night, you know, people would come in before that,
but the first night that we.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Had the big.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
The big bonfire, the.

Speaker 7 (17:42):
Big bonfire and all that stuff. So after everybody kind
of got done while it started getting real dark, Greg
had asked us, you know, he said, what do y'all
want to say? And I said, well, I've had a
big foot experience, I said, Because he said he knew
that there was a place for where they had been
seen orbs, I said, I've never seen an orb. Let's

(18:03):
go there. He's like, okay, cool, So that's that's where
we go. Uh. We get over there, and of course
I'm wonna steal Lyne from Da me Be and me.
We pull up there to the top and we kind
of turned back around headed back down with so the
front of the cars pointing back down towards that businitor center,
the graveyards on the right side of the car. And
then there's that big long trail that goes back down

(18:26):
in the woods next to the old some of the
old camp sites and the old homesteads that were that
were you know, no longer there. Let's put it that way.
It's got that big red gate that goes across the
across the trail. So we're standing there and they they
immediately say they start seeing orbs. I'm thinking I'm seeing something.

(18:47):
I'm not one hundred cent sure. So there me, me
and me. I looked at Greg and I said, I
know this is stupid, but I'm gonna walk about fifty
yards down down the trail.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
A propensity for this. There's a reason why youngest son
has the I mean the official Robbie Wrangler. Because something
happens you look up and Robbie's gone.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
You know it's serious when nicknames are involved.

Speaker 7 (19:10):
Yeah, straight at it. I don't have an off switch
apparently anyway. So here I go off down. You know,
they're they're all back there. My daughter's like, Dad, what
do you do? I said, I got it. I'm good.
Just stay up there. So I go down and I'm
What I wanted to do is I wanted to get
away from that audio stimulation of them talking about it

(19:32):
and then me think where I wasn't thinking. Okay, my
brain is just showing me what they're saying. So I
was listening, or I was watching stuff, but I could
focus on that before I heard them. So I would
see what I thought was orbed and I would hear
them say, oh, you see that red one. Okay, I
am seeing something I don't. I still don't know what
I saw. I was seeing it.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
Well.

Speaker 7 (19:52):
While I was watching that, I start off to my ride.
I started hearing something walking through the woods, you know
kind of I'm like, mm hmm, I don't know exactly
what that is, but it's big. So I sat there
and listened for a second, kept on moving. It got
almost even with me, so I kind of turned the
ease back down towards Greg, and when I got down,

(20:14):
they hadn't heard any of that walking and twig snapping
and all that stuff. And Greg's like, oh, Rober, you
scared off the orbs on stuff. And I leaned over
is there? And I said, there's something walking in the
woods over there, back off to my because I turned
around facing him back off behind my right. Well, he
stopped and listened and he heard it move again. So
we had a the same pair of bot that DA's got.

(20:37):
It's just one of the cheap ones that you know,
it's just got the earphones and the they do, but
you can't record all you can, but it's only like
twelve seconds and it's on the the actual thing, so
it's not really worth trying to even record anything on it.
But my future son in law was working on or
was working those, So Greg and Johnny were standing here,

(21:00):
Taylor's kind of back at the car, my daughter and
Tyler and I'm future son in law. You kind of
move up just about forty five feet between Greg and me,
and then of course Johnny samitside Greg, Tyler sammside me.
Johnny looks over and get you know, gets my attention.
And lets me know he's gonna do an alcohol He

(21:22):
does an owl, who immediately gets a response identical. You
could tell it was a lot deeper than what he did,
but it's identically. It mimicked him directly. We look at
each other and I said, so he does it again,
same thing. We're like, man, this is cool. So I

(21:43):
give him the sign again. He does it again the
third time.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
This is what we hear.

Speaker 7 (21:49):
Oh oh, Like it's like pissed off, Like okay, I'm
done playing with y'all, Like I'm.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
Done with the owl noises and smith. There's something else.

Speaker 7 (21:59):
We're like, oh okay. Well, as soon as that finished,
this was off to our right that we're looking at.
As soon as that finished, we hear three knocks off
up to our left. When we me and Tyler both
spun around. I looked at with Greg and I said,
did you hear that? He's like, yeah, I heard it.
So we're hearing this stuff like over here, but the

(22:22):
road's kind of behind us, so we're kind of really
not paying attention to that. Well, things just started kind
of moving around. I'm like, wait a minute, my daughter's
over there in the car. I need to I'm dad
for I gotta be back to Dad. Then Tyler, it
snapped in Tyler og, I gotta be fiance. So we
kind of go over there to check on Taylor. Was
we went back over to the car to check on her.
Greg and Johnny kind of worked their way back around

(22:42):
to the upper side of that cemetery.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Was.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
I'm leaning at the car to check on Taylor. Tyler
hears something and he gets my attention. He points down.
You know, we were facing back down the hill. He
kind of points down in that little tree line and
he's just right off the side of the road, but
it kind of it just drops down real steep, and said,
there's something down there. I got Greg and Johnny's intention
told him to watch your eyes up. You had a headlamp.

(23:07):
I was gonna turn it on. So I'm looking down
this endcline when I flipped my headlight on. I hate
saying headlight makes me think I'm in a car, but
my head lamp, excuse me. So I flipped it on,
and there's this tree probably about that big around at
what I thought was the bottom of this little ravine
or hill or whatever you can call it, but about

(23:30):
what it looked like it was about that far off
the ground. There's two green eyes looking at us, just
staring up at us, And I'm like, well, that'side. Usually
a small, small critter like that. As soon as you
put a light on them, they're gonna start moving, like
trying to get away. Now, they just kind of blink

(23:50):
that Every once in a while they kind of move
over and you'd lose one eye behind the tree, but
it'd come back over and they were blinking. And Tyler,
my future son in law, is six foot eight, not
a small young and he's a big dude. You've heard
us talk about the paradigm shift before. Well, I heard
the gears grinding on his paradigm shift. He slipped his

(24:13):
clutch because he just it totally freaked him out. He
did not know what was going on. He was up there,
we are armed. Whoever's down that we're armed.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
We are armed up here.

Speaker 7 (24:22):
I heard him say armed like twelve times in a
span of thirty seconds. All right, calm down. Well, and
I'd got Greg and Johnny's attention. Greg comes over, he
sees it. Johnny's over here to my left. He can't
he can't see it because he's looking right at that tree.
He said, what what. I reached over, grabbed him and
pulled him in front of me. I said, right there.

(24:43):
As soon as I for he's okay, Yeah, I see it,
he said, that's a strange looking critter. But it's this
whole time we're talking and doing it's never moved other
than blinking the eyes and you know, kind of do
it moving around. And they were when I just exact
same color I shine to d as green almost almost

(25:05):
like a glowing green, a little bit different shade of
the the lightning on y'all's green spring background by that
cor Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
So I'm imagining all of this as you're speaking it
and the comment about your son in law, you know, hey,
we're armed, we're armed, we're armed, that kind of I'm assuming,
you know, fear, adrenaline everything.

Speaker 7 (25:37):
And fear for him. At that point, you're you're.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Seeing something you're trying to comprehend. He's having his whole
worldview flipped upside down you as both of you, you know,
being law enforcement whatnot. Obviously people can be scary too,
like obviously, but do you think the fear was ultimately
because of the unknown, Like let's just say, eye shine

(26:02):
are not just like four regular dudes walked out and
they were doing god knows what in the woods. But
I mean, at what point is.

Speaker 7 (26:11):
Do I think I would have reacted the same way
if he if he had been forgotten, Yeah, yeah, he would.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
He would have went.

Speaker 7 (26:18):
Into he would have went into a different mode. He
he he went into. He was, he was operating. It
was primal fear, he was. It was just and it
was immediate. It wasn't like we sat there for attle
while and it just kind of washed it. As soon
as that ey shine was illuminated, he immediately was like, Okay,

(26:39):
this is not something that I recognized. I do not.
I don't I don't know what I'm looking at.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah, now I've been through that with Peyton, because Peyton
laughed my sons in chat and he said those eight
hundred pounds hours again, had something similar happened during the day,
and we looked at each other, like, but when somebody
gives that warning that we're armed, that's that's given a
human chance to speak up, right, because somebody's about ready

(27:08):
to pull a trigger when you start giving that warning.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
So so this this all goes on, it's probably probably
a minute and a half if this goes on this
thing's looking up at us. Well, while we're looking down there, Johnny,
excuse me, Greg kind of worked his way back around
and was looking back up behind us because he was

(27:30):
worried about something coming back up or coming behind us.
Because we had still just heard that stuff over there
on the other side, we didn't know what was, you know,
if we were being surrounded or whatever. Well he he
hears a twig or a branch or something snap up
behind us. Well, I turn and look so I can
see where Greg was. And when I turned back around,
whatever was in front of us was.

Speaker 6 (27:51):
Gone just just that fast, that.

Speaker 7 (27:55):
Fast, I mean literally the span of that and it
was gone.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Well, I hate to interrupt you, Robbie, but people that
are that are listening, what what's hidden in this is
whatever this was has an intelligence, and it thinks it's
hid and it's peaking in and out.

Speaker 8 (28:16):
It's it's not running. A regular animal is gonna run.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
H And so for them to turn and split second
turn back, it knows that's they're not looking at them.
That's that's not normal for for just animals, you know
what I mean. They'll freeze, they'll and then they'll decide
to run and and don't care when it is, but
when you look away, that's the same thing we would do.

Speaker 8 (28:41):
You know, this is my chance, y'all.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
That's that's those intelligence that it's that a pig, even
though a pig is smart, it's it's it's not gonna
do that. It's probably gonna come out try to eat you,
or it's gonna run immediately. So when I hear stories
like this and and and there's obvious signs of intelligence,
I have to point it out because we all might

(29:03):
realize it, but people that will listen to this later
may not realize that. So go ahead, Robbie.

Speaker 7 (29:08):
Sorry, that's one hundred percent agree with that. So it's gone. Well,
it's kind of late at this point, and we're all
just okay. Discretion is a better part of valor this point.
We don't know what's out here. Let's go ahead and go.
So we take off, go home or go back. We

(29:31):
go back to the campsite, drop Greg off, and we
go back to the hotel room. Well, I think Johnny, yeah,
he come back to my room a little bit later
after we got back, and we sat down and talked
about it for a little bit, and he was like,
he said, man, I don't. I just don't know what
that was. I said, I don't either. Well, we didn't
get anything really resolved that night, went to bed. Next morning,

(29:56):
we get up, we go eat breakfast. We're sitting around
the all of sitting around a breakfast table, and I
think Tyler's one that actually had the idea. He said,
you know what he said, you know, we got the
camera equipment. He said, it'd be good to go back
out where we saw that, you know, before we go
back to the campsite and hang out with everybody. He said,
be good to go back over there and get some

(30:19):
like establishing shots and just some daytime photos so we
can kind of just correlate where everything was at. And
I'm like, that's that's a pretty good idea, and Johnny
said yeah. He said we can walk around see if
we see any tracks and things like that, and I'm like, yeah.
So we go back up there and Tyler gets back
exactly where he was standing. He was standing on a
little chunk of asphalt that broke. You know, those little

(30:40):
rails that they used to put around the graveyards up there.
The piece of it broke off and he was standing
on one of them. So he knew exactly where he
was standing.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
How old about the Gayard?

Speaker 7 (30:50):
Wow, Roger, how old an you think.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
What LBL was actually became LBEL in sixty three. Most
of those old family graveyards in their date back way
before that probably laid eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Well that was my next question, if it was a
family one like versus.

Speaker 7 (31:07):
Oh yeah, property, Actually you can't. You can't turn down
a road into LBL without passing the graveyard.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
No, I never.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
That's the most graveyards per capital of any place I've
ever been in my entire life.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
And what's confusing is if Ashley or somebody goes not
knowing this and you you look at it and you say, well,
there's one from twenty eleven. They lied to me. No,
the families can still use them if they choose to
or if they're still around. Uh, that was part of
the deal, I guess. So you'll you'll see we you know,
the one at Colson I think has some pretty new headstones.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
But Nicholas Cemetery's got some parallel ones.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
So yeah, that's it's a It's all we can say
is it's a strange place.

Speaker 8 (31:52):
You you don't It's like the box of chocolates.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
You don't never know, You never know, you.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
Never know, right question, Robbie. He was describing you, and
you might actually tell us more about it when you're
talking about going back and filming the next day. But
you said the animal, the I'm say animal or creature
that you were observing was looking up at you. So
was it kind of down in a ravine a little

(32:17):
bit and down there standing or was it lay thrown?

Speaker 7 (32:20):
And because that's what really I knew there was something
different or something. It was something. But yeah, honestly, I'm like, okay,
it was not that high off the ground. It had
to be something. Yeah, it had to be you know, raccoon, squirrels.
It had to be something like that, because it was
just too low to the ground. So we get back

(32:42):
over there and I stood in front of Tyler. We
see the tree. So I start walking down the hill
and leaf litter was like that thick at that time. Roger,
you that when we were down there, it was just
it leaves were off the trees.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
It was lbo is like that all the time.

Speaker 7 (32:57):
Yeah, So it looked like the ground was a lot
closer than what it was. When I get down to
that tree, and I try to look. I was in
a saddle. Basically, you had this this one, it came
down here, then there was another one that came down,
and right at the where that tree was, there's another
bank that went right up back behind me. So when

(33:17):
I get to that tree, I was at the bottom
of the ground or where it comes together. So it
wasn't like this thing was lower down than I thought
it was. I look back and I was like, and
if I take a step another step back away from
the tree, I'm gonna be going up the hill. So
I look back up Tyler and I said, I said,
I'm gonna start lowering my head. You tell me when

(33:38):
my head gets to where the level of you know.
And remember I said, I thought this thing was about
two feet off the ground, about that that high off
the ground or so, yes, sir, So I'm standing up.
I'm about five nine to five ten, depending on which
gas station I'm walking out of.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Who put the tape up?

Speaker 7 (34:00):
Yeah, So I start lowering my head down. I get
back right here and Tyler said stop, and I'm like no,
And I look and I'm I'm literally I'm still like
three and a half four feet off the ground. I
hadn't even hardly been at all. So I called Johnny
and I told him come down here, and he was
like or he walked Tyler was He said, well, it

(34:24):
must have just been further back. And I said, Johnny,
that bank behind me is literally like a step behind me.
I said, if I take a step back, I'm going up.
And it would have been up higher than what it was.
So whatever it was, it was just standing there kind
of bent down. It wasn't laying on the ground, It
wasn't a small apt It was literally like just kind
of hunched down looking up at us. Was it kind

(34:45):
of like a drainage ditch or yeah, it's like you
had one that came down the one we were looking down,
and then another one came down met and then they
kind of both went down towards where the road was.
So there was a bank here, the bank that we
were standing up on, and they funneled into a third one.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
So a perfect spot if your spot had to get
away and have a choice which way.

Speaker 7 (35:09):
It was about that thick. So that's why we never
heard anything when it Johnny's not I mean, he's not deaf,
and he's not really hard, but he wears those bonic
ears just to help because he works in a machine
shop and he weals, and you know, it just helped
him out a lot. Well. When he was over there
walking around looking at he couldn't even hear me going

(35:30):
down the hill from moving around with those.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
That's pretty ice like isolated sound wise, and look.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Y'all, we had something big come behind our tent. I
was within three feet of this thing, congested breathing at Colson.

Speaker 8 (35:48):
Now Gary's and chat. He heard it.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Found tracks the next day that thing was moving. This one,
the thing that come behind us, didn't care if we
heard it. Okay, I don't know what it was, fine
at all. It actually bumped into Naoma's car, which was
right beside me, and she thought it was one of
us going to relieve ourselves. No, no, you almost got
gotten on. But uh, I don't know what it was.

(36:14):
But now you can look at this several different ways.
I'm the biggest, baddest thing here. I don't care if
you see me or not. Then you've got the one
the sneaky ones. So we hear from a lot of people,
you know, even talking to Cane a few weeks ago
about the lookouts and how they do things and have
different jobs and and I know people are like, how

(36:36):
do y'all know this? Well, this is what we do. This.

Speaker 8 (36:40):
We talk to people all over the country. Da and Robbie.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
They boots, their boots on the ground, they talk to people,
so you kind of piece it together like a puzzle,
so to speak. So yeah, that that I'm like, Actually,
the the the heavy footfalls in the leaves is scary,
but something sneaking intelligent intelligently scares me a whole lot.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
More agreed, because it takes you know, I personally don't,
but I grew up around you know, hunters and things
like that all the time, my brothers, my dad and everything,
and you know, they would taught, you know, how to
walk through all of that where you could be quiet
and stuff. So it takes again, something with extreme intelligence

(37:27):
to know how to walk through all of that, to
be as large as a sasquatch or a possible dog
man since we're in LBL, to not make any sounds
like that.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
So it's just this year, back in January, Robbie and
I nearly got ourselves cut off. We were down in an.

Speaker 7 (37:48):
Area being ourselves ourselves.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
We're down down in an area called Moon Valley, and
we first started out trying some calls. We've done a
few whoops and nothing happen. And then I have a
working theory that what a lot of people refer to
as tree knocks are actually made with their mouth like this.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
Oh you were good. Do that again?

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Oh you should hear me. Do it in like a
big room. In fact, down the lake. I can make
an echo across the lake.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
And I did that a few times. Nothing, And Doc
did a few owl calls, and then Robbie did a
wolf call and we immediately got an owl call back,
the same owl call that Doc had just done. And
Doc intentionally did an owl that was not indigenous to
our area. It was a West Coast owl, and there
aren't any of those in Missouri. So we got that
West Coast owl call back. And then this is middle

(38:42):
of the night, early January. It's cold as hell out there,
and Robbie and I were kind of off the off
the one side of that. We're on a low water
bridge and Doc and my son Noah were backed by
the vehicle and Doc's like, hey, I'm getting on something
on thermal and he started pointing it out and he
sees two figures like whole head and shoulders leaning out
behind trees watching us about what do you say, about

(39:04):
fifty sixty yards from where the truck was, maybe maybe
maybe a little more so. Robbie and I had headlamps on,
but they were off. So we start moving toward the
heat signatures, and Doc says, I'm going to turn the
heat signature off once you light it up and see
if we can verify what I'm seeing on the thermal.
So he turns it off, and Robbie and I light
up our cameras and we immediately saw the full conical,

(39:28):
the full head, the dark fur, the shoulders. We see
them both duck right back behind the tree.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
I got shills as you said that.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
That's Robbie, don't turn on lights, back off. Doc put
turns the thermal back off and back on, I mean,
and Robbie and I keep getting closer. We were trying
to get up close enough to where we could actually
see them with you know, unaided. But as we're getting close,
you know, we're probably ten yards from where those two
things were still peeking out behind the tree. Because Doc

(39:57):
was watching them, and we were at that point probably
f fifty yards away from the truck, and Doc starts
going fall back, fall back, and I'm like why, He's like,
because there's another one between you and the truck. Get
back to the truck. It had freeze behind us and
was trying to block us off from getting out. And
at that point I put my hand on Robbie's shoulder
and we both drew our pistols and I was covering

(40:19):
the side and the road next to us well, while
Robbie covered the two that were watching us originally. And
he walked backwards and I'm covering one direction and watching
where we're going. And we got back to the truck,
but we almost got cut off.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
You don't have to answer if you don't want to,
but what caliber pistols did? Were you? Guys?

Speaker 3 (40:36):
We're worth caring? Nineteen eleven's.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Forty five?

Speaker 5 (40:41):
Yeah, I'm just trying to think if you know, the
joke about a twenty two will just piss him off, Like,
I'm just wondering what you had. Uh.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Well, one of the things that we after. Doc is
a was an Air Force flight medic combat medic, and
Steve is a registered nurse. And we have talked to
a couple guys veterinarians. And what we've done is we've
kind of done a breakdown analysis of most mammals. And
this applies to primates, it applies to horses, it applies

(41:08):
to dogs. In similar positions. In most mammals, the same
the same big veins go to the same areas.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Up in the neck you've got the h the juggler,
the the the juggler vein and the what the carotid
artery those are heavy. In the upper arm on the
inside of the army you have the brachial artery. Uh.
Down in the in the groin area, you've got heavy arteries.
And on the inside of the thighs you've got got
the uh uh what arteries are those called rubbie? Uh?

Speaker 7 (41:37):
Jugular?

Speaker 3 (41:38):
No, not the.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
Legs, oh, in the legs.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
For the pomoron arteries. And those tend to be close
to the surface and in the same spot on pretty
much every mammal. And if you look at anatomy of
a great ape compared to a human, those big veins
are a bit almost and identical places. So what we've
devised is if we have to shoot, and I hope
we never do, but if we have to shoot. We're

(42:02):
gonna aim for the big arteries. Yeah, We're not gonna
try to punch through all that muscle and bone. We're
gonna aim for those arteries. And we've already we drilled
for that. When we go to the range, we set
up we set up band shape targets and that's what
we drill. So you know, it's it's not one of
those cases where we hope we engage one. If we
have to engage, we're gonna do as much damage as

(42:23):
we can as we fall back. But it is never
our intention to be the guy that brings one in.
We don't go out looking to shoot one, but we
do plan to come home because I don't know if
y'all where y'all are from, but help here in Missouri,
we got black bears, we've got mountain lions, we've got bobcats,
we've got wolves, we've got cougars, we've got all we
all manner and nope, ropes, just all kinds of snakes,

(42:45):
and the most dangerous of them all we like to
refer to as the Greater North American meth head.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (42:53):
Oh, and they're the multiplying lot crazy.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Yeah, So you know, I know y'all have heard that
or read the report by Daniel Boone with him and
the sun and and what happened there, And he supposedly
dissected a little bit and said the breastplate was just
massive and covered way more area.

Speaker 8 (43:14):
The sternum and all covered way more area.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
And then you're saying the same thing. MK said that
when you see a bigfoot, if you looked at one
and estimated it weighed, say eight hundred pounds, he said,
they are so dense that it's probably twice what you
what you estimated to be. So Patterson Gimlin, most people
would would estimate it that was I think the most
estimates around seven seven feet tall and in the ballpark

(43:40):
eight hundred pounds. M K said, it's probably closer to
fifteen hundred pounds.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Look when when you watch the breakdown, when when Patty
steps in slow motion and you see the shockwave run
up the thigh, Yeah, that's not that's not that's a
lot of force. And she wasn't running, she wasn't jumping,
she was strolling.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
Yes, she wasn't hard stomping either. In that glide everyone
talks about for screecher's that are so massive you know,
it's funny. I have two nephews and they're brothers, and
they're about four years apart. And the oldest one is
tall and lengthy. You can just pick him up throw
them around, you know. But the younger one is a

(44:20):
dense block, and even though he doesn't weigh as much
as his older brother, you can't pick him up. And
to think that these just as a visual example, I mean,
body shape has so much to do with it. And
while reports of tall, skinny Bigfoot aren't necessarily unheard of,
you you know, even the females are so massive and

(44:41):
it's like, man, you'd think they'd be hibernating all the
time for as much energy as it takes to move
such mass all the time.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Well, I was just talking to RPG Ryan Obleski just
the other girl, and he has a theory on why
that they're that they are the way they are. And
Robbie and I've been talking about the theory for a
long time that we think they spend a great deal
of time underground. And RPG believes that because they spend

(45:12):
so much time underground, it acts like a natural a
natural uh uh uh compression chamber, like a like a
like a person that they that because of that, it
actually has changed their metabolism slow enough that they don't
require as much food. And that makes that makes a
lot of sense.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
That does make a lot of sense actually, because I
know there are a lot that's okay, I said, I
know where da is that there in Missouri. I know
how much the cave systems and stuff are so prominent,
or at least I hear about them over there that
that area. I know. That's how it is here in
Appalachia as well. And the underground stuff is that.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
The US Geological Surveys just released a report last year
saying that they now believe the Mammoth cave system extends
from northern Maine to southern New Mexico.

Speaker 6 (46:03):
I've heard that, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
That to be. That's a that's a cryptid super highway.

Speaker 7 (46:08):
Well telling them about the mark or died Bennett.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Springs, Oh yeah, when I was a kid, there's a
there's a natural springs just outside of the town. I
grew up in Bennett Springs State Park. You can you
can look it up. But back in the seventies, they
were they wondered where that spring came up. Uh, so
they released a radioactive marker die into that spring, and
all across the country they were telling other other parks

(46:31):
to watch for this specific marker mark that they were
looking for the signature to emerge from the spring. They
released it and six months later it came up in Alaska.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
That is beyond fascinating. Wow.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
So assuming that those caves aren't flooded all the time.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
Yeah, yep, just how far? How far it accounts? It
accounts for other things too. If you're talking talking about
a stable temperature, because we all know that caves keep temperature,
presumably the oxygen levels would be quite regular as well.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Hyperbaric chamber, that's what that was word of. Yeah, that's
what r PG was talking about. He thinks because they
spend a lot of time deep that it acts like
a natural hyperbaric chamber.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
Yeah. Wow, that's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
We're gonna get him on the show and we're going
to do a whole thing talking about the whole.

Speaker 7 (47:25):
Underground and this this is a theory that we've been
working on for what two and a half years?

Speaker 3 (47:31):
DA about that?

Speaker 7 (47:32):
So you think about there was a show, Uh, and
I can't reber it was how much it was a
documentary or just a show we got to talking about
This is where when we started formulating this theory. There
was a guy who was born a completely blind, never
seen anything a day in his life, but he had
taught hisself out to echo locate by clicking his tongue.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
The young gentleman. Yeah, you could ride a bike.

Speaker 7 (47:59):
Yeah, the show come out and set up an obstacle course,
and you know, put all these obstacles in his way
and everything, and a little something that clicked his way
around that thing and never hit never hit anything. So
I had seen that show, but I didn't I never
put two and two together. Media and his son. No,
we're talking. I think we're just we were in backstage.

(48:20):
We weren't even on the show at the time.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Were about just after a show. We got to talking about.

Speaker 7 (48:25):
It, and we were talking about the tongue clicks and
things like that, and I said, wait a minute, if
they are subterranean, like we talked like, we've been thinking,
how how would this be if they actually did that
tongue looking they just used as echo location. Then these
big vast underground caverns. I mean, we've always.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
Said when you make any noise, you want some of
these creatures but.

Speaker 7 (48:49):
We've always said looking looking, look into nature and what
we already know to answer some of these questions that
we can't ask, that we can't answer. Is echo location
something that we know of in known species? Yeah, bats, whales, dolphins.
I mean, it's something that's already been studied and already
been proven.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
Is there there's a mouse that does it too? I
just can't remember which one does it? Roger, you're naked,
so and.

Speaker 7 (49:22):
If a man who was born like a do that,
why can't these things do exactly well?

Speaker 5 (49:34):
And also too so for you guys don't know, or
maybe you can surmise by my user name there. I'm
really big into water cryptids, and you know, we talk
about the underwater tunnels and channels and things like that.
And uh, something that has come up in my conversations too,
are mineral compounds. Because you know, mankind is discovering new

(50:00):
things all the time. Just because we have a current
periodic table doesn't mean that we've discovered everything there is
to discover. Who's to say there's not minerals and vitamins
and other types of nutrients and supplements that I mean
you maybe you need maybe deep in these caves there's
some rock you can lick and you're good for a year,
like who who knows?

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Like we just don't know. Well, they're also sailing saying
that some of the components found in mushrooms silocillin, silo sibin,
something like that. They're saying that some of those components
not only can cure cancer, but extend the human life
like double yeah.

Speaker 6 (50:37):
Right, And if these creatures are as much as in
tune with nature as they are as compared to what
us humans are, then they would have this kind of
knowledge of these kinds of things.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
The science out of Sorry there was a delay. I
didn't mean to cut you off, Amanda.

Speaker 6 (50:58):
No, go ahead, I finished my thought. You're good.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
The science coming out of Korea and Japan right now,
as far as mushrooms being like just crazy connected to
human DNA, is pretty fascinating. And right now the experimentations
they're able to do with skin rebuilding, the theory is

(51:25):
within fifty years will be able to skin graft using mushrooms,
so not even being able not even having to take
skin from other body parts or even some countries even
use fish scales. I mean, we've come a long way,
but imagine just something so renewable like mushrooms and you can.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Rebuild damage tissue.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
Yeah, it's remarkable.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
So one of the other theories we've talked about. Me
and Me and Robbie discussed this a number of times
on the show. I'd kind of like to get you
guys's intake on it is you. We hear all the
time stories about bigfoot walking with its knees bent. M Robbie,
how are we trained to walk when we're in when
we're stacking inner a building. I was on the riot
team for three and a half years. When you walk,

(52:11):
you keep your knees bent. You walk, you know, heel
to toe those knees bent that you don't that way,
you don't bounce, your weapon always stays at the same level,
and you're making far less noise walking with your knees bent.
It's just not natural for us. But if we can
do we can learn to do that. What's to say
they don't realize? Yeah, if I walk with my knees
bent and I present a slow heel to toe motion,

(52:34):
the noise is going to be minimal. And that's that's
the way we're drilled to walk when we clear a building.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
And they might actually be built for it too. We
talk about the mid tarsl break all the time and
how that's different. You know, obviously humans don't have that
bigfoot presumably have that naturally. Who's to say that them?
It might be the reverse for them. It might be
uncomfortable for them to walk in the same gate that
we do, and they naturally are just bent and as

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a result, quite they may not even be trying to
be quiet. It may just be baked into their design.
Who knows.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
Well, my two cents of seeing the one walk up
the hill, I think, I think it's possible all of
y'all could be a little bit right. But also coming
from a background of playing a little football and coaching
for about ten years, if you guys are coming into
a building like that and you got your knees bent,

(53:31):
if you have to turn, if you have to go sideways,
backwards or whatever, you're in a position to move quickly,
and then also they would be Now think about this also, Robbie.
If I was to put a eight hundred pounds backpack
on you and you standing straight up, what would happen
to your knees?

Speaker 7 (53:49):
They gonna get more shot than they already are.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Yeah, so I think that I think those are the
right questions because it took me here years after seeing
this thing and putting it together with the way the
feet were moving up that hill with the back almost straight,
comparing it to a walking horse gate and how they

(54:13):
judge the competition over in shovel Chbyville shovel is they
stand up in the stirrups the rider stirrups the rider does,
and that head is smooth.

Speaker 8 (54:24):
That's how you win a Grand National championship.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
Is that hit? There's no behead, Bob. So we're you know,
I'm thinking, you know, it was weird enough that I'm
thinking something like y'all are thinking.

Speaker 8 (54:37):
Like, how is this possible?

Speaker 4 (54:39):
How?

Speaker 8 (54:39):
How is this.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Quite?

Speaker 4 (54:42):
How they move quietly being so big with the foot
so big, And then you talk to people like Caine
and other people that have tracked them, and you find
out they'll reach up and grab a limb and swing over,
change directions and it looks like it disappears, the trail
picks back up on the other side of this tree.

Speaker 8 (55:00):
Know, so, uh, there you go again. Intelligence.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
But uh, I think those are good questions. I think
that's good. It's good theory because there's not enough people
asking those questions. So and and another thing. When you
see something weird, it causes you to ask those questions,
how did that thing sneak up on me? How did

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it get away from me? Because one of the most
terrifi fine things I've ever had was that mouthpop going
on in the broad daylight, nothing in between us, and
I couldn't see it, and I could hear the resonance
in the throat and the sinus cavity. It wasn't it
wasn't rock on rock.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
So well, why I started doing that is as a
kid growing up on a farm outside of leven in Missouri.
I used to hear that from the woods. And as
a kid, I could mimic birds, and I could call
in turkey. Without a turkey call, I would mimic the
sounds I heard. I was just a farm kid in
the seventies. Wasn't much TV. So if if the sun

(55:59):
was up and I would didn't have chores to do,
I was out playing in the woods and I heard
that popping sound, and I would try and try to
mimic it. I mean, I've tried like like that and
the you know, flick flicking your jaw to trying to
make it or hitting your throat, couldn't quite make it.
But then I started practicing with my tongue and it
took me a long time to master it. But I
can do it pretty loud. And I'm just a I'm

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just a two hundred and fifty pound hillbilly. Imagine an
eight hundred pound gorilla basically, right, And so.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
Uh, we get people all the time.

Speaker 8 (56:32):
They'll make controls, will make comments.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
They'll watch two minutes of a show and it's obvious
they didn't watch the whole thing because they'll they'll comment
and on something that you spend a lot of time
going over. Yeah, and everyone actually the everyone the way
he did that noise and the way you just did it,
they'll have a different sound, yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
And trying to figure it out.

Speaker 8 (56:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
And even with just using my tongue, you can ask Robbie,
I can make a ton of different tones. I've learned
to do it over the years. I can I can
increase the tone, I can increase the frequency. And this
is just me teaching myself how to do it. I
can make a whole bunch of different sounds with just
my tongue.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
You can tell I'm easily amused, like yay, silly, nooying,
but it's.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
It is confused. And if you if you have hears
a noise in an area where you grew up, you know,
like you said, I did the same thing as a kid.
We didn't have anything, so I pretty much knew every
sound you you could hear.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Now, I always knew something was up because my grandparents
and my parents and my aunts and uncles, well they
call me by my first name. I go by d
A now, but they'd say, Douglas, you better have your
ass back in the house by dark, because then boogers
would get you.

Speaker 6 (57:53):
Yep, that's that's that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
You still a lot of them woods, and once it
gets dark and boogers will get you, I'll carry you off.

Speaker 7 (58:05):
I said that. You know, I had my sighting when
my first sighting when I was a kid, literally you know,
just across the road from where I'm sitting right now.
And my great grandmother who pretty much kept me my
entire young life before she died. But uh, she would
always say the same thing because I will get the
same way the A's talking about. I mean, you know,

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they had a farm and when I was home, specially
in the summertime when I went to school, I was
out in the woods playing. I mean, you know, that's
just what you did back then.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
You didn't.

Speaker 7 (58:35):
You didn't stay inside and do this kind of stuff.
I mean you was out or stay Yeah, but even
if you'd had it back then, my my paw and
Granny wouldn't let me do that. I'd been outside doing something,
but she would be like, if you go too far
in woods and boogers will get you. You know, as
a kid, you're just thinking, well, especially back then, because
there was not the Internet to figure out what the

(58:56):
world booger was. I just thought it was monster or stop.
That's what she was talking about.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
I'm in a big way on Amanda's behalf here. Amanda,
you have stated publicly quite quite a few times that
you thought a booger meant ghost growing up, and it wasn't.

Speaker 6 (59:12):
It was either we always or I had always assumed
booger was a just a all encompassing umbrella term for
you know, either a monster or a ghost, anything spooky,
uky whatever. In the woods. You know, that's just where
the other boogers. You know, you watch out for the
boogieman kind of kind of stuff I had never assumed,

(59:37):
and that, you know, booger meant bigfoot specifically, because at
least in my particular incidents, the booger that my grandmother
was referring to was actually Bigfoot, and I had assumed
that it was a ghost on that property.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
So what about.

Speaker 8 (01:00:01):
Can you turn your mic up just a little?

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
I guess as far as it goes. I've been having
trouble with this mic. Okay, I'll try to get a
closer to it. I can hear you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
I just Peyton just messaged me and said I turned
it up on this hand a little bit earlier.

Speaker 8 (01:00:14):
Okay, that's that's how I lost my background.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
I'll try to get the mic up close.

Speaker 8 (01:00:19):
You're good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
My uncle Buddy was married into the family. He married
my mother's sister, my aunt Violet. But Uncle Buddy was
full blood Cherokee. I remember as a kid. I remember
a kid as a kid on my aunts and uncles
tell me about the boogers, and we used to go
out to uncle Buddy's place. And I don't know if
you were familiar with the with the layout of the
state of Missouri, but there's a little bit of town
called Eldridge, Missouri, and his house was about seven miles

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outside of Eldridge. And Eldridge isn't exactly civilization as most
folks know it. Eldridge is a poking plumb town. You
poke your head up the window and your plumb through it.
It's got a gas station in a post office and
then a couple of couple of houses and that's about it.
But Uncle Buddy lived that was the closest town he

(01:01:03):
lived to. When I say he lived out in the sticks,
he lived out in the sticks. And I remember one
time as a kid I was, I would ask all
my aunts and uncles, you know, about these screechs, about
about bigfoot and stuff, and most of the time they
just taught me, told me, oh, you're you're the goofy kid.
You know, don't know what you're talking about. But Uncle
Buddy was the first adult that ever confirmed those things
that were out there. And he put me on his

(01:01:23):
lap one time when I was about seven or eight
years old, and he says, I want to tell you something.
He said, those things are real and they're on this land,
and you need to be careful when you're in the woods.
And from then on I was just like laser locked.
And I asked him, I said, so, I said, so,
what is a booger? And he says it's a seol kaloo.
And I said, what's a sewel kaloo? He goes, well,
you you know it is bigfoot.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
Wow?

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
Can you say that? Say that name again?

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
That he could a cherokey word, seol kaloo suklou yep sukaloo.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
And just just for reference, one of my favorite movies, uh,
John Wick is Baba Yaga.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
Right, yeah, but that's which always crazy. I get your
lore right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Is a huge fan spelled t apostuphe s u l
space k apostuphe a l u.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Isn't it Robbie for me?

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
One more time?

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Seel kaluu.

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
It sounds an awful lot like the Cajun uh.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
Different different pronunciation, and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Nave American tribes all across the u s all have
different names for the same creature.

Speaker 6 (01:02:41):
I mean the h I just want. I just hadn't
heard before.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
A tonka, but seul kaluu is the one I first
knew it as.

Speaker 8 (01:02:52):
So all right, so now you have y'all have a show.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
Did you have a lot of former police officers current
police offers, probably as friends.

Speaker 8 (01:03:04):
What did they think about this? You have you had
others come to you privately and tell you stories.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Well, you know, the cops we go to other agencies
for training. We know where if you have a training event,
agencies from like twenty different agencies and officers. So I
got got a chance to meet a lot of officers from
surrounding areas. I mean, we would do like homeland security
training for bomb threats, and there would be like officers
from all over the state. So you got we got
a chance to actually get to know officers from different

(01:03:32):
parts of the country. Plus sometimes you know, you have
double cross agencies working on the same event, that kind
of thing. But I got to know a lot of
cops all over my area, and I've heard a lot
of really good stories. Uh, some of them probably blow
your mind. But and I'm sure Robbie's got thet the
got the same same effect. But yeah, there's so many

(01:03:53):
cops that have come to me and said, I'm gonna
tell you a story, but you can't tell anybody. In fact,
one of the one of the people it's in the audio,
it's tonight, James Jenkins, My old one was one of
my lieutenants, and he went with us last year when
we did our boat, our overnight boat expedition into Comb's Ferry.
And I think he came out of there a believer

(01:04:14):
because he first thing he told me was I realized
something now, I said, what's that? He goes, I wouldn't
carrying enough gun.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Oh, and that's a bad feeling. And for people joining,
we don't carry him. We're not hunting bayfoot. We carry
him for safety reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
For most of us were carrying nine millimeters that night.
Since that that event, Lieutenant Jenkins now has a Desert
Eagle fifty and a five. Yeah, when you playing around.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Forty four magnum at.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
The smith he got the Smith and Wesson five hundred
five revolver. That thing kicks like a mule.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
That that that would probably hurt my bone in my arm.

Speaker 8 (01:04:56):
They used to years ago. Yeah, Uh, quick story. We
had a da here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
He had a fifty cow Desert eagle and I shot
it one time, two times and I handed it back.

Speaker 8 (01:05:07):
And I'm done. It wasn't as bad as probably a revolver,
you know, But.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
I've shot that the fifty desert eagle in that five
hundred Magnum, the five hundred. Magnum's got way more recoil.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
Oh yeah, but I sling after.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
No, I've got I got thick wrists like King Kong.

Speaker 8 (01:05:27):
I know all of it, especially Manda. Uh she.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
She probably takes reports from people that don't want it
even written down because the obvious reasons. I have people
in this county that have jobs that they I can't
say their names. I wouldn't do.

Speaker 8 (01:05:45):
That to them because because of what they do.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
And but but I appreciate it because it shows trust
because you know, you could, you could really put somebody
in a bind. And and the more the more where
you show people that you're trustworthy, the more that'll come
to you. And the what gets me is, you know,

(01:06:09):
on the ride alongs, I do a ride along once
a week, you know, twelve hour shifts. I would be bored,
show up and help. Sometimes I'll be driving a car
I wasn't supposed to be doing. I would be checking
the officer to be asleep, and I'll just be you know,
driving around checking everything. So you know, you're out there
by yourself. Uh da.

Speaker 8 (01:06:29):
We talked about it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Sometimes you were the only one. There was no backup.
A similar situation here. You know, when you see something
you're not supposed to see like that, you almost have to.
It's human nature to like get to tell somebody, and
you're kind of in a situation where you can't. So

(01:06:52):
I feel like that's why certain groups kind of stick together,
you know, where they can talk amongst each other.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
And when I was with the Sheriff's Department, there is
zero chance I would have put something like that in
a report. Not happening. But yeah, but the last department
I worked for was out in Walnut Grove, Missouri. My
chief out there's named Joe Mahon. Joe's great dude. I
would have called Joe and go, guess what just freaking happened?
He will go for God, think, don't put it in
the report.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Yeah, because I don't know if it was like where
a lot of people that don't realize.

Speaker 8 (01:07:22):
I don't know if your department was like ours.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
If a report's written during the night, it goes into
the basket and then it's there available for the reporters
to come in, you know, say nine o'clock in the morning,
and they'll filter through the reports and they'll they'll pick
the most juicest one and you bet your butt.

Speaker 8 (01:07:38):
That one would have been the first one to come
out of there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
So all of our reports went straight into the computers,
so they would get flagged for reading in the morning.

Speaker 8 (01:07:47):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
It, just it is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
It amazed me getting into this early on, at how
many police officers you know, are now spending time researching,
looking for these things. And but it's in your it's
in your blood. That's what you do anyway, So if
you see something strange that that makes sense to me,

(01:08:11):
that you're going to try to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
I went to a training class down in Branson and
there was a bunch of officers there from like other
other sheriff's departments and other law enforcement agencies, and uh
got to talking about just kind of brought Bigfoot up,
and uh, you know, for most part of him were like, oh,
you know, joking about it and stuff. But after everybody
cleared out, one guy sat down with him. He goes,

(01:08:34):
I got a story to tell you, and he said,
it's going to be good. He said, I got a
story to tell you, but you got to promise me
you ain't ever going to tell my name with this.
I said, okay, And he still works for that County
as far as I know, but he he tels me.
He said, okay, I got a spot in the mark
Tween National Forest where I used to go deer hunting
every year. He said, I went to the same spot

(01:08:55):
year after year. I said, okay. So well, one morning
I got out there real early, and I went out
to my deer stand, parked my truck, and hiked into
my deer stand. He said, I'd one of them soft
sided lunch boxes with an ice pack in it. He says,
nothing big, just an apple and a couple of blowney sandwiches, basics.
He said, So I climbed up my deer stand and
I wrapped that strapper on my leg so if I

(01:09:15):
dozed off, it wouldn't drop, and he goes, sure enough,
I dozed off, he says, and I woke up felt
like something was pulling on that lunch box. And I said, well,
what happened? He said. I outen my eyes and I
looked at my knee, and this thing's head was even
with my knee, and he says, I was a good
ten feet off the ground.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
Yeah, so what'd you do?

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
He said. I unclipped that strap and gave him the
lunch box, and I said, do you ever ever thought
ever occurred to you to take in a shot? He goes, Dude,
I was packing for deer, he says, I fight, I
had an RPG. I don't think I'll have taken that
thing out, he said. I let it at the lunch box.
I said, well, then what do you do? He said, Well,
I listened until I was sure it was gone, and
I climbed down out of the deer stand. I went
back to my truck and I sold my deer equipment.

(01:09:54):
I have never been back, he says. In fact, if
you want that deer stand, I'll tell you how to
get it, but I'm not going back out there.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
That says a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
He was done. Never deer hunted. It was a dude
that was you know, loved deer hunting and you know
has not hunted since because of that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
Yep, and that, like Ashley said, that change, it changes
you at something up close, and you said it earlier.
You can't tell people the mass, you can't explain it
because it's just so incredible and it's terrifying. And to

(01:10:33):
how one walk up and try to.

Speaker 8 (01:10:36):
Steal the lunch box, that's that terrifies me because.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
I said, I wouldn't fixing a die over too blowny
sandwiches and an apple.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
And think about this. Think about this. The people that
go thirty foot up in a climber stand, I don't
do that.

Speaker 7 (01:10:49):
But this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
How many people do you know that have talked about
trees being pushed over by the roots. Oh yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
That's actually one of my favorite recent phenomena, the trees
moving on their own.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Look, we just found one, a good sized tree that
had been pushed over. I forgot this until just now.
I was gonna send Robbie the picts. Robbie, do you
remember down to Joe Bald where we found that hunting
blind with a nest on its side. There's a tree
pushed over on it. Now, m a good sized tree
and hit it. Yeah. I went up and tapped the tree.

(01:11:26):
It's not the wood wasn't rotten. That was In fact,
the leaves that were on the tree were still green.

Speaker 5 (01:11:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
I ran upon a similar situation interviewing on site a
few months ago. The guy they had something walking and
they couldn't see it, but they could clearly hear it
on two feet you know. We went back to film
in the location and one of the healthiest big trees
you've ever seen, was pushed over almost on his stand.

(01:11:56):
It was still, it was still up. I didn't think
about that being being something that they might do mad
to try to run you out. But that's odds. And
now if it had been five trees laid over or twisted,
and we know that wind in Tornate and all that,
but just one collapsing and the roots came up with it,

(01:12:18):
so I don't know. And it wasn't wet, you know,
we know it'll rained for a few days, then the
wind to get up. Yeah, some trees will come up
like that, but that's not what happened here.

Speaker 5 (01:12:29):
I was recently introduced to the theory or concept that
a lot of the and when I say bent trees,
I don't mean like the smaller kind of like Charlie
Brown trees, but like the massive trees that have no
reason to be you know, bent over and pulled out
of the ground is a mating ritual basically showing like

(01:12:55):
I guess the concept there, the idea would be strength
and being able to provide kind of thing that that's
the theory is that when you see the bigger trees
that are just tipped over that aren't structures, but just
evidences of those things being moved or huge boulders, that
it's potentially a mating ritual. I don't know how I
feel about it, but it was an interesting conversation.

Speaker 7 (01:13:17):
Nonetheless, it makes it as much this as any other
theory out there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
I mean, well, we just don't know. I mean that's
one of the things we always tell everybody on our show.
There are no experts in this field. So your theory,
your theory is just as good as anything we come
up with until we know for sure. It's just as
solid as anything anyone else comes.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Up with, exactly, and coming from experience and hearing different
similar sounds but a little different. Peyton and I we
were talking when one I think we were coming back
from Gatlinburg. We were talking, just throwing stuff at the wall,
and I'm like, you know, what if what if these
bigfoot come through and you hear the tree knock or whatever.

(01:13:58):
What if they're going through and testing for hollow trees
where they could you know, push it over and get
a family raccoon or squirrels out, you know, and like it.
We don't know that, but you know, you write it
down and leave it for later, and that's as plausible
as anything. We know, you know, that big hand slapping

(01:14:19):
against a tree, Because what got that started. We had
a tree fell over while we were in the woods,
no wind, as a good sized tree, and it didn't
come up by the roots because you know, when a
tree comes up by the roots, you hear the thump
or they're they're pulling apart, right, that sound right, So
this was almost like the firecracker sound where it was
maybe pushed you know, a few feet up and it

(01:14:41):
started breaking and collapsing, you know, and there was no
reason for it. But it happened two times within two
weeks in the same spot. So uh, I don't know.
I know somebody told me bears might do that, push
a tree over and then dig through it, you know,
So I just think it's good to put it out there.

(01:15:01):
If somebody in the audience knows some researchers, hey go
ask them they think that's plausible, or you know, we.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Know bears will rip the bark off trees looking for grubs.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
Yeah, we've heard reports probably from the same people where
they caught them digging in the dirt and you know,
eating something, so that that's probably and people ask all that, well,
what did they eat does a little?

Speaker 8 (01:15:27):
Probably anything they.

Speaker 5 (01:15:28):
Want, whatever they damn well want.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
That's what I think.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
They're omnivorous. I think they'll eat anything that's going to
provide nutrients.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
And they'd almost have to be, wouldn't they.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Yeah, kind of like, uh, well, yeah, we use bears
as a comparison on when we talk about it all
the time. Now down here in the lower forty eight,
we've got black bears. Black bears will eat anything, berries, roots, roadkill, deer.
You know, they'll eat just about anything. Squirrels get a
hold of it, right, they'll yeah, definitely picnic baskets. But

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black bears, other than the last few months, have historically
not been that aggressive. Most of the time. You make
a big loud noise or shoot a gun in the air,
black bear's gone. You go a little farther north into
Grizzly territory, they're still omnivorous. They'll eat roots and berries,
but they eat a lot more meat. They got a
lot more body mass to support, they eat more meat.
You get even farther north into polar bear territory, and

(01:16:20):
they don't eat berries. They eat people. They eat seals,
they eat fish meats on the menu. That is all
they eat. And I think the same thing was with Bigfoot.
The colder the climate, the more they're going to have
to have that heavy protein to survive.

Speaker 6 (01:16:34):
It's all about the nutrients that they need for the
area for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
All right, speaking of food, Bigfoot food, Hold on a second.
I heard y'all tell this story and I found an
amazing y'all said it turned a believer a non believer
into a believer.

Speaker 8 (01:16:56):
Can you tell everybody what that is?

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Go ahead, you ain't been talking in a while. Come on, Robbie.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:17:07):
Well, this was our Comb's Ferry uh expedition, and White
Estas and I were in the back and we were
we were just kind of hanging back at the back
end of the of the line when we were walking through,
and I was looking at White He was off to
my left, and we everybody had had lamps on, but

(01:17:31):
we didn't have him or I had him own as
in they were on our heads, but they weren't on.
Was I'm looking at White? Well, he was saying something
to me. I just see something in the train, just
just something didn't look right about It didn't look like
just limbs and I said, hold up, what I said,
cover your guys, and uh I clicked it on and

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that's what I saw, m and why was like, uh.

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
Yeah, kind of a haunting image really Like.

Speaker 7 (01:18:05):
It's especially when you're standing there and you cut your
lot on in you and you in the pitch black,
and you cut your light on and that's what you
see hanging in the tree.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Literally when you see the blood is still fresh, and
so was the blood on the ground beneath it. Initially
we thought this was a mountain lion. But what you
can't tell from this image is that that tree is
only about the diameter of a softball, and those branches
that that that height is woven around are no bigger
than a quarter those are big enough, so those are
not big enough to support the mountain lion.

Speaker 8 (01:18:36):
How high is this approximately?

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Probably if you were the first one to find.

Speaker 7 (01:18:39):
It, it was above these about what six six one
six And it was a good foot and a half
two feet above his head. Yeah, so I would say
it's probably seven seven and a half feet off the ground.

Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
So they and put it there.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
So okay, I got questioned, So this that's fresh meat,
right pretty much? Yeah, that that's destroyed. That's that's the
the even the hair. You see the hair, it looks
like it's trauma, right.

Speaker 7 (01:19:20):
Mechanically separated. This the term Steve used.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Yeah, it's Steve Stevenson r N. He said, that has
been mechanically separated, like for example, if a if a
if an alligator had grabbed a hold of it and
rolled to the death roll and twisted it off. He said,
this was grabbed, broken and twisted off. And I don't
know if you guys are familiar with Missouri, but we
don't get a whole lot of alligators.

Speaker 8 (01:19:42):
Up here right, tree climbing alligators climbing alligators.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
So well, this gets even better. So so now.

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
Okay, I have seen stuff like this before, but not
to this extent. Where we found hand the hind quarter.
We found a hind quarter in a tree. I did
the best I could to see if there's any cut
marks or whatever, any bite marks, but whatever, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:20:12):
Could it have been a mountain line where we were
at possibly.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
The mountain lion would have wrapped it around those trees.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
No, I know, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:20:20):
I was just looking at that in more detail with this,
but this image, if you look at the top of
the image. At the center of the tree, right there,
there's like a little broke off branch looking thing, or
at least is what looks like. You can actually see
the hide is wrapped around that right there.

Speaker 5 (01:20:39):
So I think it was wrung out.

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
Was the fact that it was so fresh too.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
And this was the middle of summer. There wasn't a
fly one on it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Okay, wow, okay, So.

Speaker 7 (01:20:53):
That's been law enforcement or had been in law enforcement
for forty plus years. I showed him that picture and
he said, there's only two things could have done that.
I said, what's that, dad? They said, a big foot
of a man he said, He said, y'all were the
only ones there, right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
I said, we had to get in there by a
boat in the middle of the.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
Night, and I had I had seen heard y'all tell
the story, and I had studied a little bit of
blood spatter and stuff back in the day. So when
you said it was fresh on you, it was fresh,
there's no question. But I did this for the audience.
It was there, the blood was red. There were no
flies right right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Nope, So we we guessed that that had been putting
there just minutes prior.

Speaker 7 (01:21:38):
To the Just let let me there were plenty of
bugs in the area because every time we opened we
cut our lights on, we inhaled about twenty pounds of them.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Yeah, we were swarm by bugs every time.

Speaker 7 (01:21:49):
It wasn't like they weren't there they was.

Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
There any smell to predate that. You see that because
usually when you come across a carcass, you know it's
it's couldn't be quite a differents.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Nope, No, there was no odor to it, no bugs
on it, and there was still like when you when
you touched it, you could still feel it was soft.
There was no lividity to it.

Speaker 7 (01:22:11):
Wow, and let me let me just answer Kaiju ninja.
Every time we go down Blunt Road Joe Bald or
Tom's Ferry. Yes, we find dismembered deer everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
Well, directly across the trail, about ten yards away from
where we found that, we found what we referred to
as the wells. That's in a different that was.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
In Joe Bald.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
We found what we referred to as the Missouri tree
trout that same night. There you can look at this
that is not cut, See how jagged that is that
fish had. It's basically been twisted off and stuck. And
that's a sapling that it's in. It's and there's no
way that a large animal climb that and stuck that
in there. That was wedged in the fork of a
sapling about ten yards from from where the leg was.

(01:22:57):
And once we passed the point where those at, that's
when the aggression went up like one hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
Oh wow, same thing. No flies, no flies? How wow?
I wonder thing like they know not to mess with it, and.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
It could it's a storage a storage thing too, because
you you don't want some of the small critters and
codies coming along and cleaning up. You know.

Speaker 7 (01:23:22):
We thought about that and talked about that. But look
at that. There's there's nothing, there's no meat left on that.
That that to me screams warning sign, ye do not enter.
They're creshpassing.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
And the reason I brought up the blood thing because
I heard you'all tell the story and you knew it
was fresh. But of course this is ai chat gpt.
But how long does deer blood stayr red? Fresh stage
zero to ten minutes, color bright bright oxygenedy red, of course,

(01:23:56):
and it dries.

Speaker 8 (01:23:59):
The early Ryan stage is ten to thirty minutes. It
happens pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
If you look at that, that blood still bright red.

Speaker 8 (01:24:06):
Oh yeah, yeah. So that's why I you know, backstage
on it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
Y'all think it was a warning, but because that's what
I felt when I first saw these pictures, you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Know, Kaijude, answer your question. Yes, we've been in several
areas where people have gone missing.

Speaker 8 (01:24:23):
I'm just going to show a few pictures here.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
This was taken in an area, an abandoned campground here
in Missouri called Joe Bald. When my son and I
found this, we also found the severed legs. That hide
has not been cut off like you would skin a deer.
That hide has been grabbed and peeled off pill like
a like a glove. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (01:24:44):
And it's a younger buck.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
So that I asked that earlier I have If you
have the younger deer and you hang them up, you
can you can do them almost like a rabbit.

Speaker 8 (01:24:52):
But it takes two people, two strong people.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
No cut marks on that hide. The eyeballs are missing,
and so was the tough and soft palate.

Speaker 8 (01:25:01):
Well look check this out.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
What's missing on this guys?

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
Yes, sir, we noticed that too. Yep, a lot of
nutrients in the eyes of you.

Speaker 7 (01:25:11):
Exactly the grapes of the animal world.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Now they say, they say, uh, the Eskimos say that
a sealized tastes like ice cream.

Speaker 4 (01:25:23):
Yeah, I've heard when you're you know, people are shipwrecked
and they're starving that a lot of times some of
this stuff will taste like chocolate to them.

Speaker 8 (01:25:32):
For survival.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
Your body kicks in now with this, yeah, with this
picture here, what hunter, We'll go and harvest the deer,
spend all the time doing what it's supposed to do,
and leave the trophy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Exactly the legs. And if you you bring up one
of those pictures of the legs, look at that that
has not been cut off at the joint. Look at
the snapped off boone. That is the hard way to
break off a leg. If I was there's another one bone,
there's the bone. Yeah, if I was going to take
a leg off, I just put my knife in the joint,
cut the tendons, cut the cut the sinew, and twist

(01:26:09):
throw it away, I mean, and it comes off with
a knife. You don't have to go to the effort
of breaking that bone.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
Look that that bone right there is some of the
hardest material I've tried to saw. You know, if you
don't have a good hack saw. Even if you do,
you can ask my son if you're still in the chat.
We had a saws all a couple of years ago.
Thought it would make it easier. That's some hard material
right there. That's a twist break right, Look at it. Splenter, Yeah,

(01:26:36):
it gets it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
It gets easier to cut us the bone dries out,
but fresh bone like that, it's very hard to break
that one again. You can see the sinew sticking out
where it's been twisted off.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
Okay, I see the I see the bone in between
the two rocks. Now it's it's like pointing up towards
the top of the screen. There's three there's three little
rocks together almost in a little design.

Speaker 6 (01:26:56):
You said, you sound found all four legs with that
particular I'm going to call it carcass. Were they? Yeah?
It was left Yeah where hound around that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
The legs were just scattered randomly. They weren't like to
gather in a pile. They were just randomly around that head.

Speaker 7 (01:27:19):
So God, you know, we haven't found any gut piles.
Not the my knowledge, dav there was.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
No there was no guts with with this. So if
this had been a poacher, and they'd been you know,
for example, well, Roger, you can tell you tell you
the first thing you do is field dressed deer, you get,
you drop the gut pile. There was none of that.
We've never found a gut pile in any of these,
but we found numerous examples of of deer's deer being
torn apart like this. In fact, I was taking Robbie

(01:27:46):
and my son Noah down to an area that's called
Blunk Road. It borders on the on the James River
here in Missouri, and it is in the middle of nowhere.
In fact, the last mile or so when you're going
down to it, the road is so overgrown by the
forest it looks like you dry and through a tunnel.
And we're going down there. It was late one night.
I had my head like my bright's on, and as
we're rounding the bend, heading down toward the water, I

(01:28:08):
start slowing down. Robbie goes, what, I go, what the
hell's that in the middle of the road up there,
And so he leans forward and he's looking at it.
He goes, that looks like a deer head. And as
we got down there, sure enough there was a deer
head setting in the middle of the road. Yeah, just
the head, and you could tell it had been twisted off.
It wasn't cut, it wasn't clean cut. Even the hide

(01:28:29):
around it had been torn. I mean there was no
tree cuts that wasn't done with an edged weapon. That
had been torn free and left there in the middle
of the road. And oddly enough, it also was missing
the eyeballs and the tongue and soft palate.

Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
To be clear, I have no doubt that what we're
seeing here is carnage leftover from some apex predator, be
it bigfoot, dog man or something else. We're not entirely sure.
Bears don't do that, even if they have the strength
to do it. Moose don't do that. Obviously have thumbs.

(01:29:05):
But I would have to ask just to I guess more,
or let's get the thought out of my head. Does
this particular area have any not dear stories or sightings
because I couldn't help, but think of Native American lore
that I've heard from where I'm at, where almost a

(01:29:26):
ship shape, ship shift shaping shape. I can't talk to
Thank you. Let's been there for a minute. Good team, effort.
Thank you, shape shifting and uh to where the idea
is you're you're you're tearing off skins is usually how

(01:29:48):
it's described when I hear it, So I don't think
that's what this is. I'm just saying, do you guys
have stories anything like that in this area of not
deer or shape shifting?

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
I've never heard of any any not dear stories. There's
no wind to go sighting report from not far from here,
but the big one that's in that area and is
the reason I set a book at Blunk Road is
because that area has had over the last fifty years,
has had more than a dozen ozarks howler sightings.

Speaker 6 (01:30:17):
No thank you, and how exactly do they describe the
ozark Haller? The only reason I ask is because I've
over here, I'm still slowly learning all that it's the ozark,
Hawler and momo, all of that one and the same,
or is the ozark.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
There was just another name for bigfoot. That's why I
described that it was just another bigfoot ozarks Howler. On
the other hand, even Daniel Boone said that he'd tracked
and killed one. He shot and killed one near Cuba, Missouri.
Uh supposedly he had it stuffed and mounted and put
in his collection, and upon his death it was donated
to the Smithsonian. So else, but the Ozark Towler has

(01:30:58):
been described as a dog like a mastiff type dog,
the size of a bear, with horns growing out the
back of its head, an aldridge horror kind of and
it makes makes a deep baying scream that a lot
of people have reported hearing echoing through the deep valleys
and hollers of the Ozarks.

Speaker 6 (01:31:18):
That's the name Howler, for sure. That's good to know,
because I've heard people say that the Ozark hawler is
just another name for a type of bigfoot. So it's
good to know that there's actually a distinguishing difference.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
In fact, the local Native American tribes like the Osage
used to refer to the Ozarks Howler as the who Who,
And there is a secret society dedicated to that. It's
called the Concafenated Order of the Who Who, and Teddy
Roosevelt was one of its presidents.

Speaker 6 (01:31:48):
Oh wow, that's cool.

Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
That's a good old Teddy Roosevelt man.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
Like I believe that Teddy knew about cryptids.

Speaker 6 (01:31:56):
Oh ye.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
Heard us talk about the ba an incident.

Speaker 6 (01:32:01):
Oh yeah, I'm very familiar with.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
We firmly believe that Bawman legitimately was Teddy Roosevelt. Yeah,
that he had. He didn't tell anybody. And the reason
we think that is when Teddy was was in his
younger life when he attended I believe it was Harvard.
He was on the rowing team of the sculling team,
and he was the point man on the skull. And

(01:32:26):
you want to know what the point man is called?
You guessed it a bowman. That was his nickname in college.

Speaker 5 (01:32:32):
Oh wow, I knew that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
But you know the fact that when Teddy became president,
one of the first things he did was create the
National Park Serviceman. Yeah, yeah, details details.

Speaker 6 (01:32:47):
Like like I like where you think there?

Speaker 7 (01:32:50):
I like it. One of the we can't do anything that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Millionaire them. Yeah, eighty eight point five million acres. But
we did a deep dive on our show one night
talking about government land aside from national parks. But if
you take in national parks, state parks, wildlife management areas,
wildlife preservation areas, Bureau of Land Management areas, and reservation
land areas that were not allowed to have full access to,

(01:33:19):
if you count all that up. It's over a billion, yes, billion,
with a b billion square acres and just in the
lower forty eight yep.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
And I had somebody ask me in that was who
that was interviewing me about some of these states making
it legal or illegal to hunt bigfoot whatever.

Speaker 8 (01:33:38):
And they have these rules.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
I kind of think a lot of times they already
know they're there, but if something happens, they have a
rule to go by. Right, they can say, Okay, you
were doing something illegal, it's your fault whatever, or it
may be something some of these rules and laws may
be to protect the people from getting out and getting hurt. Also,

(01:34:04):
so you know, you with Teddy and all of his
explorations and you're talking about rabbit holes, that's when I
wasn't expecting.

Speaker 5 (01:34:13):
And gotta love containment theory and.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
Right, and like Robbie said, you know, it's almost like
nothing to see here because it should all all coincidents. Well,
you start connecting those dots, you don't.

Speaker 7 (01:34:25):
Have what's his hand, don't worry about his hand over here.

Speaker 6 (01:34:29):
Right, right, no attention to the man behind the curtain exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:34:33):
And the favorite Smithsonian joke, and I probably just gave
the punch punch line away. But if you guys remember
the Storm Area fifty one from a few years ago. Uh,
my favorite joke was Storm Area fifty one proudly funded
by the Smithsonians.

Speaker 4 (01:34:51):
Yeah right, yeah, evidence gathering or evidence confiscation.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
You know a lot of states, a lot of states
have passed protect ordinances. Uh, but except for go with
the state of Oklahoma, who went the other direction. The
state of Oklahoma offers a three million dollar bounty on
one brought in alive.

Speaker 8 (01:35:11):
Right, and that's the key though you brought a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:35:14):
Yeah, I'd like to see the fine print home and
killing one and the man, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
I wouldn't want to try to bring one in alive.
I mean, what if you can't trink dark dosage wrong
and it wakes up while you're trying to trying to
shackle it.

Speaker 8 (01:35:30):
Hey, I watched King Kong.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
I know how that happened.

Speaker 5 (01:35:32):
Goes make it out wherever you went to drop, Like, Okay,
somebody shoots one, whatever detains one, brings it in. You
really think you're leaving that into Like you really think
you get to walk away from that? No, like you
will never see the light of day again.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
Like well, even if you managed to bring one down,
you're assuming it was alone. Yeah, And that's one of
the things we've talked about on our show as well,
the talk about the Missing four one one, specifically the
missing four one one. The hunters were experienced armed hunters
who'd hunted in the same area for years vanished without
a trace. But I've talked to dozens of hunters over

(01:36:12):
the years that said, you know, I had this thing
in my in my sights and I could have shot it,
but I didn't because I wasn't convinced it wasn't a
guy in a suit or it wasn't human. That's why
I didn't take it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:22):
That the eye, I think we'll see the face and
the eyes, and it just it. You can't.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
And I think the missing four one one hunters took
the shot.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
Uh yeah, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 8 (01:36:32):
Well, I think that's possible.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
And and so when we try to explore all this,
what you just said is very very true, and what
I try to put myself in a place of that hunter,
and you also hear them they couldn't make the shot,
and some of them trained former military, right, it just

(01:36:55):
feels wrong. It feels wrong to them because the emotion
in the phase. You know, we've always heard the story
of the turn it slightly and looking up like it
knows what's about to happen. When you you can shoot
a fish because it's not winking at you and smiling
and cutting up and telling you jokes. Right, But if
you look at something in the face that's got some

(01:37:15):
sort of intelligence and some emotion, then as humans, that's
going to feel very wrong. And that that that not
talked about enough. But that's what I see, and that's
what I think about when I hear those stories. It's
not that now, if it attacks, it's coming up the
tree or whatever, those people are going to instinctively from

(01:37:37):
their training, hunters that's been doing it for years and
have had to take care of business, you're going to
pull the trigger. But because of the emotion and the intelligence,
they can't do it. So that I think that's a
to me, that's a really huge point that we don't
talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
I talk to a hunter down from your not elder
Eminence Eminence Missouri. He said he was hunting near the
Current River and he was in a deer stand and
he saw a flash of brown by the water down
by the river and he thought it was a deer,
so he put his put his his scope on it.
He said, I was probably three hundred yards away and

(01:38:19):
a camouflaged in a tree stand. He said, I put
this thing and put this thing in my sights. And
he said it looked like a big guy covered in fur,
kneeling down at the water getting taken handfuls of water.
And he goes, he says, and it was the weirdest thing,
he said, because I had the scope on it, and
it had its head and profile to me, and all
of a sudden he goes and looked right at me.

(01:38:41):
He said, I knew it was looking directly at me,
and there was no way it could have seen me
from that far away. And he said, at that point,
I just lowered the rifle. And he said, there's no
way I was taking the shot, because it it understood
I was there.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
Yeah that as a kid, you know, I tell my
story all the time. And I'm looking this at this thing.
It's looking up the heill it. I don't know if
it knows them there or not. And I can't tell
which way the wind was blowing back then, but all.

Speaker 8 (01:39:12):
Of a sudden, it does this turn.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
It looks right at me, and I'm like, oh, I
wasn't moving, you know what I mean, I wasn't making noise.
I don't know whether you might have smelled me or whatever,
but to me, it looked like it looked like almost
like I know you're there. Of course I have a
gun on it, you know what I'm saying. So I
feel like they're in tuned of something. And my buddy

(01:39:37):
Don Odin's former game board and he said, everything's all
about frequencies and energy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
So you know, well, how many times you've been setting
in a room and just realize somebody was looking at you?

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
Yeah, I know, you look right at them, or if
you or if you're zoned out looking at somebody. You know,
sometimes you'll zone out and.

Speaker 8 (01:39:51):
You're looking in a direction and they'll look right at.

Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
You, like what are you doing? I know, y'all's it's
weird now, you know, talking to some of the researchers,
I started looking at things differently two years ago. If
you'd have shown pictures you and Robbie we talked about
this deer hide, I never would have even thought to.

Speaker 8 (01:40:14):
Ask the question, do you think it was?

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
You know? A warning side?

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
But the more we remember we find stuff like that,
we try to debunk it first exactly. Yeah, first thing
we asked mountain lion. Mountain lions climb trees and take
parts of parts of deer up. Could this have been
a mountain lion? And we ruled that out because one
it was woven around the branches and two the tree
just was not big enough to support it. But maybe
a bobcat, but not a mountain lion. But those smaller

(01:40:40):
branches were only like the diameter of a dime or
a quarter. They were not big, So even a forty
fifty pound bobcat probably would have snapped off them branches.
And they were twisted among some very closely together put branches.
So you know, we ruled out bobcat. Bears don't do that, well,
they can't. Coyotes and will don't do that. And it

(01:41:01):
didn't take us very long a talking about it to
realize it had to have been something that had hands.

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
And and even to the point where you know you're
looking at the bone and it's a spiral type fracture,
knowing how hard those bones are. Okay, let's say a
car headed broke ribs and all that stuff. It didn't
twist the legs off at right at the joint, you
know what I mean, And.

Speaker 5 (01:41:25):
I don't I don't recall if you said it dead
or if you said Robbie, but whoever said it, it
looks like it was that one leg was being not on.
You could see it just yeah, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
Well, I know I've seen some weird, weird stuff and
like y'all, you know, people will call us, hey, can
you come look at this? Well, that's the first thing
I do is is to see because I don't want.
I don't want to be the one that got punked. Right,
I'm looking at like, okay, how how could you effeke this? First?
Then work you away from there. I don't look at

(01:42:00):
it and like, oh my god, I think that might
be a bigfoot. It's you start over here and work
your way back.

Speaker 8 (01:42:06):
And that's why.

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
I like people who have experience in investigating, because, like
I said earlier, if you show up with idea, like
Robbie got far enough away where he didn't want to
hear them putting ideas in his head. You know, he
didn't want to be influenced by that. That shows me
you know the type of people you are, and if

(01:42:31):
you if you come to me, and I've heard y'all
say this a bunch. I don't know what that was
or whatever, but this is what we think it was.
And that's unless you see it happen. Now if you've
got the bigfoot prints right beside it, you know, and
you collect some hair or whatever. Yeah, but some of
us are you know, you've we all know some of

(01:42:52):
the same researchers that they're so scared to be wrong.
They can be ninety nine point nine percent sure what
it is, and they who won't come out and say it,
you know, so exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
Yeah, I've met a few folks like that that you know,
just nope, it's what I said. And we've talked to
some other researchers, like when we talk about the tongue pops, No,
it's all would you're making that up?

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
See, how do you know?

Speaker 5 (01:43:17):
Denial is one hell of a drug. I think a
lot of people really do not understand how powerful the
mind is and are built in self preservation in a sense.
So it's like to acknowledge something otherworldly or unknown, paranormal, supernatural, whatever,

(01:43:38):
and it goes against everything you've ever been taught, everything
you've ever believed. I personally believe that because like I
make no qualms, like I'm a Christian, I'm a believer
in Christ. I gave my life to Christ when I
was twenty three years old. I believe that those things
are not separate. I have no problem reconciling my faith

(01:43:59):
with the strange and unusual. But for a lot of people,
whether they had a religious background or not, a lot
of people don't whatever. But like you see something and
your mind goes to monsters, uh, supernatural whatever. You don't
know how to make sense of that, so your mind
just shuts down. No, it is a bear, No, it

(01:44:20):
was this. It was that. It's it's amazing what your
what your mind will do to save itself.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Well, there's an old phrase that they used, and it
was about technology though, but it still applies. Any technology
sufficiently advanced is thought to be magic by those who
don't understand it. And I think that's the same thing
when it comes to Bigfoot. Just because we can't explain
what they did, they meediately jumped to like its aliens.
It's things like that. But when we talked, well, even

(01:44:50):
Doug Hicheck from from Monster Out Doug Cake, Yeah, Love
love Doug great dude. Doug and I have talked for
hours about this. Doug and plenty of other searchers that
I've talked to have talked about the clear hair shafts
that are that are found in bigfoot hair samples. Now,
the most recent generation of gilly suits that the military

(01:45:10):
is making include pieces of fiber optic. Why because it's
a clear hair shaft and it will pick up and
redirect the color of light around it. So if they're
laying among green plants, it looks green. If they're laying
among brown stuff, it looks brown. And I think that's
the same thing with bigfoot hair. I think it picks
up and redirects the color of the light around it.
Great perfect example of that is the Freeman footage when

(01:45:33):
Freeman is tracking that large black bigfoot. He's filming it.
It's walking and then it stops in front of this
pine tree and it just disappears. It's gone, like just
like it up in Smoke Gone. And when he keeps
coming and is still filming, then it realizes he's not.
It didn't fool him. It starts walking to get in there.
It is robby. And I have said this many times.
I think it is just natural adaptive camouflage. I don't

(01:45:56):
think it's anything with you know, like to do with
aliens they're cloaking or anything like that. I could be wrong,
but coming from a law enforcement background, I look for
hard evidence and real world connotations where I can where
I can start explaining these theories. So we think that
because of those clear hair shafts, it has a limited
blending ability. There are other animals that have clear hair,

(01:46:18):
clear hair hair shafts. Polar bears have clear hair shafts.
If you look at a polar bear skin, it ain't white,
it's black, black, or dark gray. The hair is clear
because it absorbs the light and redirects the color of
the light around it. That's why if you see a
polar bear in a in a zoo, a lot of
times it's fur looks yellow. It's not. It's not because
it changed it changed color. Its because it's not among

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snow and ice. But and that's are the kind of
things that we look for. We look for scientific explanations
for these and like Robbie said earlier, sometimes you don't
need to look farther beyond the natural world around you
to find explanations for some of these things. Now, I'm
gonna I'm not gonna say that people think that, think that,
you know, think of what they call the wu I'm

(01:46:59):
not gonna say the wrong and I'm not going to
discredit their sightings. They saw what they saw. I wasn't there.
But what I will say is, in forty plus years
of going into the backwoods and Missouri looking for these things,
I have yet to see anything that would would leave
me to think that they can cloak or teleport or
dimensional travel or any of that. And we can even
explain why the tracks disappear in the middle of a field. Robbie, Robbie.

(01:47:23):
One thing Robbie didn't tell about himself. Robbie does not
like to toot his own horn, So I'm going to
toot the horn for him. Robbi's a man tracker. Robbie's
a man tracker. He's been sent to the schools by
his department to track fugitives. That's what he does. And
when Robbie explains about these tracks to me, it makes
a hell of a lot more sense than oh, I
don't know where the track went, so he must have

(01:47:44):
went into another dimension. Robbie, you want to talk, tell
us a little bit about those tracks.

Speaker 6 (01:47:49):
Eh, yeah, no, I'm actually about this. This is really good.
I loved scientific explanations for stuff that people would consider paranormal,
but it's actually just normal that we don't understand yet.

Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Thought I was good at tracking deer and stuff, and
in five minutes in the woods with Robbie, I was
already learning crap. I never do.

Speaker 7 (01:48:18):
I ain't that. I ain't that good. He always says this,
but I'm not anyway, tracking and track morphology and things
like that. It doesn't change when you're tracking a person
or you're tracking a deer. Once you know what you're
looking for, that's what you're looking for, be it a person,

(01:48:39):
be at a deer, be at a big foot, be
a whatever you're looking for. You've got to identify your
tracks and the spore that it leaves before you can
track anything. And so when I will send to this class,
d A and I were talking about it and he
was like, dude, he said, so you know he talking
about two my heart. It was actually his idea, but

(01:49:02):
he said this is probably about the same. He said,
we could work this into what we do. You know,
I didn't think about it. So that's where we came
up with idea. It's the same premise, just knowing what
you're looking for, and that's kind of how I built.
Like the conference we're going to next week, I'm teaching

(01:49:24):
a cup or teaching a couple of tracking classes. DA
usually helps me with them. It's the same principle that
I learned for man tracking is for tracking these things.
I mean, you identify the track, just like somebody broke
into a house and went out and I find the bootprint. Okay,

(01:49:45):
it's a lug pattern nine and a half inches long.
You know it's got a one of the lugs is cut.
That's what I'm looking at, the distinctive features of that track.
Same thing with a big foot you're you go in,
you identify the track. You look because the scar is
gonna show up. If they've got a scar on their foot,

(01:50:05):
that'll show up in the track, the way the you know,
the pressure relief ridges, and you know pitch and sway
and just the way if it drags a foot because
of an injury or something like that, all that stuff
is gonna show up. It's like a fingerprint, It's all
gonna show up. So once you've identified what you're going after.
It's just a matter of finding it and looking for

(01:50:29):
things like what we call fresh meat, a break in
a tree. You see it, a limb is broke, there's
a way to go see it. I don't know how
long that's been. Okay, back up closer to where the
tree or the limb is still fresh or still attached.
Rather you break it there and compare the colors. If
it's the same color, it's a fresh break. If this

(01:50:51):
one's a lot drier and you know, more brown than
than it is a fresh looking color, then okay, it's
probably been done thirty minutes or more. It's just it's
just knowing what to look for. And once you know
what to look for. When I graduated from that class,
my instructor shook my hands and congratulations. Will never look
at the ground the same way again, right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
Tell them Tell them about the backtracking.

Speaker 7 (01:51:16):
Okay, the thing with with backtracking, and a lot of
people don't don't understand that, but there grizzly bears will backtrack,
rabbits will backtrack. Humans are taught to backtrack.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Our special forces are taught to yeah, so backwards in
their own tracks.

Speaker 7 (01:51:33):
So the same, the same principle we talked about earlier.
If there's if it's already in nature, already something that
you know, slightly adaptive. Camouflag is just like you know,
the echo location we talked about earlier, it's already something
that's established by known creatures that we know in the world.
How how can we say this this thing can't can't

(01:51:54):
do it or can't learn to do it if they're
as smart as we think they are. And my line
of this is, if you want to get the hairless
monkey with the boomstick off your back, and you're smart
enough to know how to do that, why wouldn't you
do it? You walk, you know, thirty yards into a
field and then back track, jump upon a big rock

(01:52:16):
up into the trees. You go in thirty yards off
to the you know, off to the right side of
the path, and then you drop down and go and sit,
you know, sit back and watch the idiot walk around
in the field, going yeah, I mean it's not that hard.
It's she's knowing what it looks like. When there's something
called dispersion and the primary point of impact. If you're

(01:52:40):
walking forward, what's the primary point of impact on your foot?

Speaker 6 (01:52:44):
Usually the hill right if.

Speaker 7 (01:52:47):
You're walking forward, your heels will strike first. That's gonna
be your primary point of impact. So my heel strikes
and I go down, things are gonna be dirt, grass, sticks,
whatever is going to be. You know it here to
the bottom of my foot for a split second or
long or whatever. So that dispersion when it when you
pick your foot up and go which way is that

(01:53:07):
dispersion gonna go for? It's gonna go forward forward part
of the track. So everything you pull out of that
track you just left is gonna follow you that way.
So think about it. If I'm walking, if I'm backtracking,
what's your primary point of impact gonna be? Other way
it's gonna it's gonna be your toe. Your toe's gonna

(01:53:28):
hit first, because you can't. You're not gonna walk backwards
and put your heel down first and then put your
toes down because you're not gonna go anywhere. Yeah, you
wouldn't move. You would stand still and just put your
heel on your foot in the front of your foot
down and you wouldn't move anywhere. So to walk backwards
the same way, you're gonna put your toe down first,

(01:53:48):
and then your heel's gonna strike and you're gonna pick
your toe up and you're gonna bring it back. So
which way is that dispersement gonna go? It's gonna go
whichever way your body's moving. Getting down and looking at
the tracks and figuring out which way the disbursement is
going in and out of the track. That's a way
to tell things at backtracks.

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
And and in nature. You know, if a deer's injured
and it's it's taking its last few breaths, a lot
of times it will jump into cover to hide itself. Right,
So we've got a lot of questions in here. Robbie's
talking about that. It doesn't make the other not possible
because as humans with us trying to sneak through the woods,

(01:54:31):
we'll use the exposed rock, We'll step in between two sticks,
We'll we'll do we'll use that also. Now going back,
y'all all heard Greg Houses' story. He took me to
the location where this thing jumped off of one leg
and landed in the middle of the road, y'all being
there and singing. I walked down to where it was

(01:54:51):
standing and the road was like level with my head,
you know, are close for this thing to jump as
big as it was off of one leg up and
over and landing the road. Think about it. If it
was on two feet, which it's probably you know, you
could probably tell it would bring the other foot up
and then it would launch right, so there you go again.

(01:55:14):
The launch would push material back or whatever, so you
can kind of tell that also if it's the right material.

Speaker 5 (01:55:21):
There's a lot one foot do you mean that it
only had like one leg right style?

Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
It turned and when it decided to run it was
it launched off of one leg up and out into
the middle of the road. Now I couldn't even step
up the hill and cover half the distance.

Speaker 8 (01:55:44):
So this thing is heavy and as big as it was.
So there you go. And there's another thing, Robbie.

Speaker 4 (01:55:50):
I had a theory, uh you know, just just listening
to people talking about them dropping to all fours right,
and I'm thinking, well, if they have a flexible foot
and they dropped all fours, that heel was not gonna
be touching the ground.

Speaker 7 (01:56:03):
Probably not.

Speaker 4 (01:56:05):
And and so I asked the guy. He was doing
a show out west and he was a tracker, and
he was a big foot guy. I'd been doing it
for a decade, and he said he spooked one up.
It was laying under a ledge. He didn't know it
was there. He come around the corner the overhang of rocks.
It got on all fours, he said, it on two legs,
first dropped down all fours and then took off exploded.

(01:56:28):
I said, did you find footprints? He said yes. The
the material was so hard that it was he wasn't
leaving any tracks, but this thing was so heavy that
it did.

Speaker 5 (01:56:39):
Oh wow.

Speaker 4 (01:56:40):
And when he said it dropped down to all fours,
I'm like, oh, I'm gonna ask this guy. I said,
what did those tracks look like? He said it was
a half a foot because when it dropped down, the
hill came up. And I'm like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:56:51):
Wow, have the heel hinges up? Yes, and the front
of the front looks like knuckle tracks like a gorilla.

Speaker 4 (01:56:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:56:57):
I think that's where a lot of the partial tracks
that people find come from. Situation.

Speaker 6 (01:57:01):
Now, that makes a lot of sense, and it just.

Speaker 4 (01:57:05):
Comes from like experienced woods experience. But you get back
to what I was saying earlier. If DA sees a
one hundred deer a day in this field, then he
goes out there and he sees deer tracks.

Speaker 8 (01:57:22):
He says, that's a deer.

Speaker 4 (01:57:25):
Robbie sees three big foot in the field at separate
times in ten years. Then he finds a track, and
a lot of people are scared to say it's a
bigfoot track, you know what I mean, Like if you've
seen the thing there and you find tracks, and I
know they're trying to be careful, But this type of
this type of discussion is what I like because it

(01:57:49):
doesn't mean what we say is true, but the fact
that we're thinking shows you that we've seen real crap,
you know what I mean. It's like you, yep, I
couldn't have told you how a big foot walked up
a hill over stepping over grass like a walking horse
unless I saw it. I'm not. I'm not. I mean,

(01:58:10):
who's going to think of that? I just and I
wasn't that. I wasn't a kid that stayed inside. I
had walked up at hill several times. If I hadn't
have walked up at hill and knew how hard it was,
then that wouldn't have been as impressive to me. Right,
So I loved talking about this is this is my

(01:58:32):
This is what I like. So I appreciate you sharing that.
And it's the same thing with other evidence you can
When I saw the white wolf, Robbie h. When I
left that night and we saw it, I was looking
at the angle and I focused on the trees that
it went between, because I was going to go back
later and see if what the leaves look like.

Speaker 8 (01:58:54):
We came back the next day, I found the spot.

Speaker 4 (01:58:56):
I went up there.

Speaker 8 (01:58:58):
I saw where it wheeled.

Speaker 4 (01:58:59):
Around, and I saw the leaves disturbed at the same
angle that I that.

Speaker 8 (01:59:04):
That thing ran. Now what does that mean? It don't
mean anything.

Speaker 4 (01:59:08):
It just confirmed to me that it was a physical
being and I saw something. So because if this does
mess with you, you know, like you're looking at those those
eyes up there, and and you know the history of
the place well, and everybody knows the history, and it
scares the crapit of you.

Speaker 7 (01:59:25):
We got a perfect, perfect story and example for that
from from Blunk Road, don't we da about We all
saw something. We were all sure that we saw it.
Then once we got back, we all kind of started, well,

(01:59:45):
I'll let you tell this from d A.

Speaker 3 (01:59:47):
Well, there's an area that I like to go to.
It's called we I mentioned it before Blunk Road. We
found numerous destroyed deer down there. Uh well, last January. Uh,
Doc and Robbie were both here in town for we
were here at over a week and we went to
a lot of places that I'd been wanting to take,
a blunk road being one of them. And when we
got down to blunk road, that's James River. It flowed

(02:00:10):
just about a mile from where we were at, flows
into table Rock Lake, and when we pulled down there,
it was just absolutely dead, quiet, dead still, and we
started noticing something in the water. And Uh, at first,
I didn't pay too much attention to it, because it's
a it's a it's a river in Missouri. There's gonna
be shitting the water. You'll be it logs, rocks, whatever.

(02:00:32):
But the river was up quite a bit. So we
get to looking at it and I'm like, hey, hang
on a second, I think that damn thing's coming. Tortoise.
So we lit it up and it was from here
up of what I firmly believe was a bigfoot coming
right at us against the current, and Doc at that point,

(02:00:53):
Doc was if you if you'd just shoved the diamond up,
Docs asked, he'd give you back a diamond, I mean
up his but PETERA. Gave you back a diamond. But
that point, everybody's kind of like, what the hell is that?
And so, and it was out pretty far from the shore.
That's a really wide area of river, especially since it
was up so since it was coming toward us, we

(02:01:15):
could see the eye shine. When we first put the
light on it, it turned. I mean we could see
it turned and get the eye shine. So we decided
it's coming at us. We probably ought to get out here.
So we jumped the truck, went up the road about
a mile and a half, two miles in docks like,
did you hear any just no heard the river and
docks Like did we really just see what we're what

(02:01:37):
we saw?

Speaker 5 (02:01:38):
So no splashing sounds or anything that indicates So it's
quiet even in water.

Speaker 3 (02:01:43):
Yeah, it was definitely walking against the current, but it
wasn't making a lot of splashing noises.

Speaker 5 (02:01:47):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:01:47):
So we drove back down there, and this time it is,
like I said, it's a pretty wide river. When we
drive back down there and light that area up again,
it is much closer to the shore. It is almost
on our side of the river at this point, and
the current was moving pretty fast, so Robbie was like
heading for it, docs like, get you ass in the truck,
Get you ass in the truck. So we we get
Robbie Carroll, get him back in the truck, and we

(02:02:09):
we got out of the area because it was about
to come out of the water.

Speaker 7 (02:02:12):
We were on ase it was coming this way and
I was coming that way where we were about to
meet in the middle.

Speaker 3 (02:02:19):
We we jumped the truck and headed back out and
uh so we had to talk and like doing docs
like was there any chance that could be a log
in the water. I'm like, well, if there's a log,
it's coming against current. He goes, what about a rock.
The rocks don't tend to move against current. And he's like, well,
how do we know for sure? So I've got a
buddy that lives down there, not far from that road,

(02:02:40):
and I had him go out the next a couple
of days later and take pictures of that spot, and
sure enough, wasn't a damn thing in the water.

Speaker 5 (02:02:49):
That's not terrifying at all.

Speaker 6 (02:02:52):
Yeah, I agree. That's the fact that it wasn't making
any sound in the water is.

Speaker 3 (02:02:56):
Yeah, it was coming right for us.

Speaker 4 (02:03:00):
At And that is that's funny because it's great when
you have multiple witnesses seeing the same thing of.

Speaker 3 (02:03:11):
Us saw it. My son Noah was with us too,
And it's.

Speaker 4 (02:03:13):
Human nature to when you're talking about it, you're trying
to you're trying to prove it away, right, and you're
looking at everything that could have been if if it
had been a stationary log hung in the water and
the current was going, you would have heard the water
pretty much. I mean, there's you know, not all the time,

(02:03:35):
but it's probably gonna make some noise, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (02:03:38):
So, wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:03:40):
The river was.

Speaker 3 (02:03:41):
Really up and on a good day, the water where
it was at it was probably sixty seven feet so
I'm estimating that river was where it was at was
probably eight to nine feet deep.

Speaker 8 (02:03:50):
So it so you're you're saying it wasn't swimming, it
was kind.

Speaker 3 (02:03:53):
Of walking on the bottom, Yeah, directly against the current.
Because what was it what's sticking out of the water
didn't change. We could see it like bobbing up and
down as it's taking steps, but it didn't change. It
wasn't like it was moving position. It was making a
bead right toward us in the water.

Speaker 4 (02:04:11):
Wow, what's the scariest thing I know I hate to
ask this, but what's the time that either of you
are like, you know, this is probably enough of this?
Why am I doing this?

Speaker 7 (02:04:27):
Funny enough, we were asked that question the other day too,
h you go ahead. Well, they hadn't changed. That night
at Combs Ferry was the that was.

Speaker 3 (02:04:38):
We went in by boat to Comb's Ferry and we
only had a bass boat available to us. So he
was ferrying us in in small groups, and we all
had radios and the guy on the boat had a radio.
He was gonna drop us all off on the shore.

Speaker 7 (02:04:50):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:04:51):
Robbie, Noah and I were the first group in and
we discovered the three of us going in almost swamped
the boat. We're like, okay, we got to limit this
to two people from here on out because it's too
much for the boat. So we get on the shore
and Richard goes back across the lake and down about
a mile to go get the next group. As soon

(02:05:11):
as we hit the ground, we start hearing activity. We
can hear things moving, we like small rocks getting thrown
at us. So we're all just setting there. Nobody's drawing
a weapon. We've got our headlamps on. We're looking around,
but it's all around us except for right where we
were at by the water. And the more the activity
kept being active, it kept kind of moving around us.

(02:05:31):
My son Noah got out the parabolic pike and he
was listening. He said he could hear like chuffing sounds
and things moving in the trees. Well, that goes on
for a few minutes, and here comes the boat and
as soon as the boat comes up with the drop
two more off it backed off. You know, they backed
off a little ways. They were still there, but they
were farther away. So we sat there for a little
bit longer while a boat went back for the third group.

(02:05:53):
So we get there were seven of us that win.
It was me, Robbie, Noah, Steve, Lieutenant Jenkins, Lieutenant as Straight,
both both lieutenants, and my old apartment. And yeah, they
we took seven of us, and of that seven, five
were either current or retired law enforcement. Four of us
were ex military, with Lieutenant Australia having multiple deployments to

(02:06:17):
the Middle East, so it's not like we were taking
a group of people who were inexperienced in tight situations.
We took Steve because he was a nurse. He was
the team medic with a full safety briefing. Made sure
everybody's got one of the got one of the the
oh cute, make sure everybody had a trauma hit because
we always go in. Doc couldn't be with us that trip.

(02:06:39):
We really missed him being there. But Doc was supposed
to be there, but at the last minute he couldn't
make it. But so the seven of us, once we
hit the ground, we start moving and Combs Ferry is
a peninsula. It sticks way out into the lake. So
from where we put in, the plan was to go
out to the very tip of the peninsula, navigate all
the way around the peninsula, then come back up the

(02:07:01):
other side and be picked up at the same point
we picked we put in. What we didn't realize is
when Steve jumped off the boat, he actually broke two
of the bones in his lower leg.

Speaker 6 (02:07:11):
He didn't really, he.

Speaker 3 (02:07:12):
Didn't really literally literally, Yeah, he didn't realize that they
were stress fractures.

Speaker 5 (02:07:17):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:07:17):
What he didn't realize was that they were broken. He
just thought he'd like twisted his knee. So he doesn't
say anything. So we're all moving in, we're keeping you know,
we're all again groups.

Speaker 7 (02:07:27):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:07:27):
We found some tracks we documented all those uh we
found uh some of those old concrete picnic tables, like
for the campsite over and Joe Bald. Those campsites looked
like you could just you know, go in there with
some some uh some uh some chainsaws and stuff, clear
the area out and go back to camp. And most
of those campsites are still in good shape. Comb's Ferry

(02:07:49):
looks like a nuclear bomb went off in it. In fact,
there's no campsite in there that's even left that's not
in pieces. And the Army Corps of Engineers way went
so far when they shut it down they bulldozed off
the road into it. Oh wow, So that's why we
had to go in by boat and they lock it up.
They've got a lock lockable steel gate across the even

(02:08:09):
the road to get down to where they bulldozed it off.
So this is all out a lot of time, and
they went to a lot of effort to keep people.

Speaker 7 (02:08:19):
Out of there.

Speaker 6 (02:08:21):
Exactly. Yeah, something's not interesting. They're why they would want
to do that.

Speaker 3 (02:08:26):
We get about we get down to the tip of
the peninsula and we're just starting back up the other
side and Wyatt and uh and Robbie found the entire
top of one of those picnic tables. Uh, maybe seven
eight feet long by about six feet wide, about that
thick about you know, six eight inches thick. It probably
weighed north of a ton. It had been ripped off

(02:08:47):
one of those campsites and thrown into the middle of
the path we were on. Obviously it wasn't recently, but
they take a there were no no tool marks on
any of this either. It's not like somebody went in
there with a JackAM and.

Speaker 8 (02:09:01):
You know, are those attached to like rebar.

Speaker 3 (02:09:04):
Yes, still sticking out of it.

Speaker 7 (02:09:07):
So we find that you got the pictures of me
standing on it.

Speaker 3 (02:09:09):
It makes me look I've got the pictures. Get that
picture of that too. She sent that one to you.

Speaker 5 (02:09:14):
Are you for a reference?

Speaker 7 (02:09:17):
I remember I'm about between between five nine and five
ten and a half. Been in on what uh on
a good day storm coming out of.

Speaker 3 (02:09:26):
Which, yeah, it wasn't too much farther up the trail
where we found the piece of the deer in the
Missouri tree trout. And at that point Steve was Steve was,
as to quote Robbie, if Steve could have sprouted wings
and flown back to the car, he would have Steve was.

(02:09:47):
He's like, Okay, I've seen it, I've experienced it, I
believe it. I'm going to get the hell out of here.

Speaker 7 (02:09:52):
Yeah. He cussed me for all I was worth for
find being the one that found the deer hiding the tree.

Speaker 3 (02:09:58):
We hadn't made it more than twenty yards past those
when things started getting really aggressive. We're getting bigger rocks
thrown at us. We're hearing grunts, we're seeing dark shapes
moving between the trees, and this whole area is extremely overgrown.
And Noah, Noah comes up and he's like, Dad, you
got to hear this. He had headphones plugged into that boom,

(02:10:19):
that parabolic, So I took one of the headphones and
he's like, amen, it and he described it perfectly. He
said that it sounded like a language, but it sounded
like gibberish, and I've heard the samurai chatter and this
didn't sound like it. It sounded like gibberish, but you
could hear multiple things talking in that gibberish. And at

(02:10:43):
the time we didn't have the ability to record that parabolic.
We do now, and we're planning another overnight outing. But
after that, they're starting to get aggressive, and that was
about the point where Steve's like, hey, guys, my leg
is really starting to hurt again. He didn't know what
was broken, found out later, but he's like, my leg
is killing me. So we put Steve toward the middle
and I called Lutenant Astrea over and I'm like, hey,

(02:11:06):
lt can you do me favor. He's like yeah, I said,
you pull up the satellite map of this area and
we got to find an extraction point. Get Steve out
of here. He's hurt. So we started looking at it,
looking at the satellite view of the area, and we
found the remnants of the old boat the boat the
old boat ramp where they used to launch boats from
the campground. And I said, what is that. What that
looks like to me, is that a boat ramp? He

(02:11:26):
zooms in on. He goes, yeah, it looks like busted
up concrete, but that's that's part of an old boat ramp.
So I get on the radio. I'm like, hey, Richard,
do you know where the boat ramp is? He goes, yeah,
it's all the way around the other side of the peninsula.
It's gonna take me a little while. Because he was
fishing off the spot where we put in. So he said,
you don't have to give me a few minutes. I've
got to come around all the way around the peninsula
and I'll meet you there. I said, well, whatever you do,

(02:11:47):
these things are starting to get kind of kind of
go aggressive. Don't put the shore until you see us
down there. He's like, got it. So Richard comes around
the point and we had made our way, had to
cover some more broken like in the trail and piles
of crap, and you know, we had to pick our
way through this area because it was very very Uh
I wouldn't It wasn't a super dangerous hike, but there

(02:12:09):
were plenty of obstacles. So we helped Steve over that,
and we finally make it down to the old parking
area where that what's left of that boat ramp is
And so I kept a flashlight and I signal Richard
and he comes in. First group we put on was
Steve and Lieutenant Jenkins, who was in the chat tonight,
sending him out because Steve's hurt, and as soon as

(02:12:30):
the boat now, but at this point now it's like
forty five minutes for the boat to go and come
back because it is much farther away from what we
put in. So first group of two goes out. Now
that there's five of us on the ground. It was
my son, Noah, myself, Robbie, Astraya, and Wyatt. Now there's
five of us. They've moved in. We can hear them

(02:12:50):
throwing rocks, we can hear them grunting it. We're we're
starting to get nervous. We set there for what felt
like eternity before the boat comes back. So I send
Australia and Wyatt out and boat takes off with the
other two and they start moving in some more. And
at this point I look over at Robbie and no
I'm like, Okay, this was my hair brained idea. And

(02:13:11):
I've always said I'm gonna be the first set of
boots on the ground. I'll be the first last set
to leave. I said, I want you to on the
next boat.

Speaker 5 (02:13:18):
I'm staying you're going down with the ship.

Speaker 3 (02:13:20):
Captain Robbie's like, the hell you are. Your wife will
kill me if you think you think I'm leaving you here.
But the thought never thought entered our brain of just
sticking Noah on the boat and him and I leaving together.
We didn't think of that, But you know, we weren't
exactly you know.

Speaker 7 (02:13:34):
We were too busy arguing with who was going to
be the last one they're.

Speaker 3 (02:13:37):
Gonna be, who's gonna stay by themselves? Uh. But that
that boat leaves with the with the Wyatt and Australia
on it, and they move in. Those things move in closer.

Speaker 5 (02:13:47):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:13:47):
So by the time the boat got back, we were
knee deep in the water with our guns out and
they were like all around us. So the boat pulls
in and he Robbie looks over it Richard and goes,
can you risk taking all of us at the same time?
We cannot afford to leave one person. Richards like, We're
gonna have to go slow. We have to go real slow.
It's gonna take us forever to get back. But yeah,
we get everybody on board. So all three of us

(02:14:09):
get on board, and Richard backed slowly out into the channel.
And the water off of this peninsula is well over
two hundred feet deep. There's a deep lake where we
were actually down close close to the to the dam,
so the water's deep. Well, we back out into that
channel and Richard has one of those well like one
point five million candlepower spotlights wired up in the boat,

(02:14:30):
and he flicks that thing on and lights up where
we had just been standing. And there was like a
light fog on the on the on the lake, and
he lights up that area we'd just been standing, and
there was probably more than a dozen sets of eyeshine
right where we had just been. They were all brought
in right on on the area, and I saw, I'm
thought of snapping pictures, and because of that night, that

(02:14:51):
that light fog, none of the pictures turned out. A
few of you can kind of see the eyes, but
we couldn't get any good pictures of that. But Yeah,
I think that was the most terrifying experience I've ever had,
because I'm fairly certain if we'd left one person behind,
they wouldn't have been there when we got back.

Speaker 6 (02:15:06):
Yeah, sounds like it, because it's what's terrifying about that
as well. Of course, you know, obviously I wasn't there
for that, but just the thought that you know, they
were messing with you in a sense, it seems like,
because let's be real, if they wanted to get if
they wanted to get you while all the three of
you were sitting there waiting for the boat to come back.
They could have if they wanted to.

Speaker 3 (02:15:28):
I've left one person they had come back and found
an empty gun and a pile of brass.

Speaker 8 (02:15:33):
Probably yep, wow.

Speaker 5 (02:15:36):
Wow, Well, so obviously there was fear, But what were
you do You feel like you're adrenaline, you're training, You're
just wanting to quote quote survive and get out of there.
Took over? Do you remember feeling anything? Do you? How

(02:15:57):
do I say this because I.

Speaker 3 (02:16:03):
Well, most of the time we don't draw our weapon,
not unless we have to. Yes, there's only been a
few times when we've actually cleared leather, and that was
one of them. But really, we were standing in the water,
That's what and that's why we only take guys with
some sort of training, like either be a military or
or law enforcement training or somebody that spent a great

(02:16:26):
time in the woods, people that aren't going to panic easily,
because the last thing we wanted when they were that
close was for someone to open fire, because I think
it would have been all hell would have broke loose
a side.

Speaker 5 (02:16:35):
It's not like you had an amazing team, honestly, like
that just everyone seemed pretty solid and reliable, and everyone
kind of played their part. Well, I guess to land
the plane on. My question is there's different types of fear,
and when we're in those high fear situations, you know,
again you have that typically adrenaline rush in that moment.

(02:16:58):
Could you say that you were truly afraid for your
life or was it just you know, hey, we got
to get out of here, like where I felt.

Speaker 3 (02:17:09):
Like we were being threatened, like if you didn't leave,
we were never going to make us leave, or we
weren't going to be there. But one thing kept ringing
through my mind over and over as we were packing
for that expedition, getting ready to leave the house. My
wife looked at me and Robbie and she goes, I
don't care what happens to you, two idiots. You bring
my baby home.

Speaker 5 (02:17:31):
But it's such a mom thing to say. Shout out
to all the moms out there, and.

Speaker 4 (02:17:37):
You put yourself in their situation. They've just seen this
massive piece of concrete ripped off and thrown so oh god,
I don't even think about it. That gave me chills when.

Speaker 3 (02:17:54):
About it for weeks, I can imagine, so wow.

Speaker 4 (02:18:00):
I appreciate y'all sharing. We're up on two hours and
seventeen minutes. And yeah, I know it's like time flies,
you know. I know a lot of times y'all probably
used to longer shows, but you go about two hours. Yeah,
and Amanda lives in the other times on this later there.

Speaker 3 (02:18:18):
So probably he's on the East coast.

Speaker 4 (02:18:21):
Yeah, east coast, y'all. I appreciate y'all coming on. I'm
sorry it took so long, but anytime, anytime you want
to come back, we may have a different panel or whatever.
And y'all, y'all some of my favorites because of all

(02:18:41):
the experiences and the training that y'all had, and and
and you you're funny, good guys too, so you know
you fit right in. But we appreciate it. Is there
are there any questions from you gals?

Speaker 6 (02:18:56):
Oh, I could probably think of a lot, but yeah,
it's a we might have to make a part two
to come back, because I know you boys have more
stories to share.

Speaker 5 (02:19:06):
There definitely part two. I do have one, And I'm sorry, guys.
I know I'm the annoying one in the group. I
just the way my brain works. You guys have been
so gracious and I appreciate it. My one quick last
question from this last story is from that encounter. What
was the span of time before you went back out
in the field again next week? What's that?

Speaker 7 (02:19:30):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:19:30):
No, it was the next night, that's right. Yeah, we
after we got back, we went out there, Me and
Robbie and Noah went out the next night, so yeah,
we're right back out.

Speaker 7 (02:19:40):
That was the second night I was there. Ye.

Speaker 3 (02:19:47):
After that, I went to Moon Valley and went up
this Middle Cave and yeah, you got you guys got
to hear the story of Middle Cave. That was a
bit long in the telling, but worth every minute of it.

Speaker 5 (02:19:58):
As soon as we wrapped this episode, we'll have to
just get you guys back on the schedule this this week.
This demands a part two.

Speaker 7 (02:20:06):
Well, I agree, you got to send you got to
send them the howl from up here around my house
so they can hear hear the howl.

Speaker 3 (02:20:13):
Near Robbie's house, maybe ten miles from where he's sitting.
Right at the moment, somebody in Pickens County, South Carolina,
caught what sounds like a dog man howl on a
ring doorbell camera. Oh, whenever we played it on our show,
people have said their pets left the room.

Speaker 6 (02:20:29):
That my cats do that all the time whenever I'm
watching stuff and it has howls like true you know sasquatch.

Speaker 5 (02:20:37):
Howlsai or whatever.

Speaker 6 (02:20:40):
Yeah, they could care less about you know, wolves and
other nature documentaries and stuff like that we put on.
But if it has anything to do with that, and
they let out like the Ohio howl type the howell,
they react instantly. So it's really interesting to watch. So
I would love to hear that audio the best.

Speaker 7 (02:21:03):
It sounds just like the or not just like but
it sounds a lot like the how from an American Werewolf in.

Speaker 6 (02:21:10):
London, classic favorite only amplified mhow.

Speaker 3 (02:21:16):
And we We've also recently come into possession of a
video we don't have permission to share yet. I've all
I will say about this video because Robbie and I
have both seen it, and Doc has seen it. The
only thing I will tell you about this video until
we have a chance to go public with it is
it is too graphic for YouTube.

Speaker 5 (02:21:36):
Wow. All right, Well on that note.

Speaker 4 (02:21:43):
That note, so, so Robbie and d A. I'm gonna
play this and they're going to know this person very well.
And this was cool of her to do. I don't
I'm gonna play this right quick, right before we ended
checked this out.

Speaker 8 (02:21:58):
Hey, fan, and I'm listening to squatch and holler and
if you're hearing me say this, you are too, which
means you have excellent taste.

Speaker 7 (02:22:08):
Cheers.

Speaker 3 (02:22:11):
Oh, I love that our co hosts before she had
to had had to step down because she had so
much going on. But yeah, she was a co host
on our show for long.

Speaker 4 (02:22:22):
Yeah, she was on the show last night, wasn't she.

Speaker 3 (02:22:24):
Yes, she was.

Speaker 4 (02:22:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:22:26):
We were talking about the the Bigfoot conference in Ohio
next weekend.

Speaker 5 (02:22:30):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (02:22:31):
Yeah, Robbie and I are going to be guessed there.
Robbie's teaching a tracking class and I'll be helping him
out with that. Russell Accord will be there. Robbie is
also doing something the promoter of the show, Susan, asked
Robbie to do this, Uh that I don't know that
it's been done before. We're teaching, rob We'll say we
Robbie's teaching, and I'm going to do my best to be,

(02:22:52):
you know, less of a hindrance and hopefully helpful. But
we're teaching a nighttime tracking class which is going to
evolve a lot more senses than just listening, than just
using your eyes. The convention is going to be awesome.
It's called Spirit of the Forest Bigfoot Festival in Ohio.
It'll be the twenty fourth and twenty fifth I have

(02:23:13):
this month, and it's going to be a heck of
a good time. If you guys are going to be
anywhere near the air, we'd love to see you.

Speaker 6 (02:23:18):
I wish I was a lot closer. I would love
to be there. That'd be awesome. It won't take you long,
like twelve hours. Yeah, it's about in a day off work.

Speaker 3 (02:23:31):
Yeah, Robbie's driving in your what about ten hours?

Speaker 7 (02:23:33):
Robbie eight and a half?

Speaker 3 (02:23:35):
Eight and a half. Robbie's in South Carolina and I'm
in Missouri's It's it's well considering I'm crossing a time
zone two, it's about about eleven hours from me.

Speaker 6 (02:23:43):
All told, sounds about right.

Speaker 4 (02:23:47):
All right, y'all? Who we got next week? Y'all know? Uh, cheat, cheat, cheat,
I'm cheating. Sorry, I tell you somebody we are going
to have on uh as Maggie Johnson, and she's going
to talk about what happened to her and her daughter.
I think y'all already, y'all already went over that, and

(02:24:09):
it kind of reminded me of what you were talking
about Robbie earlier, about being off in a ditch and being.

Speaker 6 (02:24:17):
No Next next week is miss Andrea Billups.

Speaker 5 (02:24:24):
I was testing you. You passed. Good job.

Speaker 6 (02:24:27):
I'm the cheater. I pulled up my calendar because I'm
a terrible person and I have crap memory.

Speaker 8 (02:24:34):
Y'all. Yeah, thank y'all. I appreciate. Uh, y'all, and.

Speaker 4 (02:24:40):
Y'all check out check out d A and Robbie. Uh
if he didn't go into a lot of details tonight,
but he's he always has a lot of detail with
his stories research that he does. Uh you know, he
said some things tonight that were pretty cool, you know,
as far as like facts and everything. Uh, they do
that a lot, so it makes it fun to watch

(02:25:02):
everybody in chat. Thank y'all.

Speaker 8 (02:25:05):
Everybody listening to this.

Speaker 4 (02:25:07):
Yeah, we're fixing the head on out. I'm I'm I'm
I used to get talk for four or five hours,
but I'm kind.

Speaker 5 (02:25:14):
Of Southern goodbyes where.

Speaker 4 (02:25:18):
Yeah, we don't we don't have any.

Speaker 5 (02:25:22):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (02:25:26):
All right, bye,