Squatchin' Holler #18 Bigfoot in the Badlands: Jesus Payan

Breaking Bad actor Jesus Payan joins to show some of his Bigfoot evidence.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Squatching Holler.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
In the midst where the trees lean love.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Squatching Holler's gotta tail. The show whispers, creep like creature
spain out every shadows got a secret to grow? Monsters rise?
Where the stories are told? Squatching Hollow where the legends
are born?

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Are they? Are they gone? Who can say?

Speaker 3 (00:58):
In the hollow of the truth, just.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Huge footprints fade where the creek runs than a lantern sways.
Let the search be in rustling leaves.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
But there's no one there is in the wind or
the beast you fear.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Everywhere goes a question.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Every rustle's a blue spatching hollis.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Got its eye on you.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Monsters.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Those stories are told?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Swatching How where the legends are born?

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Are they?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Are they gone?

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Who can say? You are.

Speaker 6 (01:57):
Not?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Said?

Speaker 7 (01:59):
And out with your Squatching Holler. Hosts Roger Williams, Amanda Stowers,
and Ashley Ramans remembers this podcast can be downloaded everywhere
great podcasts are found. And now the show.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Hello, Hello, Amanda, how you doing?

Speaker 8 (02:26):
I'm good? Roger? How are you this Eason?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Oh, I'm doing good. Everybody's running wild around here and
I'm having light issues. Y'all off if my light goes
out or if it gets dark a little bit, We're
gonna roll with it. And for the people who listen
on you know, Spotify, and y'all don't need to see
my ugly mug anyway. But you know, everybody knows we

(02:50):
usually focus on east of the Mississippi, but I've I've
driven out west and I've been I've been to Skinwalker Ranch,
New Mexico, Utah, all up in there, and you on
the main roads and you're like, man kind of looks boogery,
but I don't know. And then you get on the
back roads and you or you see like a movie

(03:14):
being shot, and it's some really different terrain in these spots.
And it's I've always been interested in the Southwest, and
I just haven't run up on anybody, you know. And
we know that people from all walks of live have
different jobs, and and they see amazing things. They're scared

(03:35):
to tell about their experiences and and and a lot
of them are scared because they might, you know, either
lose their job or be laughed at or hurt their career.
We've got a guy on the night that finally just
you know what I'm putting the truth out there and
what happens happened, because it does weigh on you, and

(03:57):
it there is a no, no better feeling than finally
just to let go of that and put it out there.
And you can help people too, you know. So not
like you do every day, you know at the museum.

Speaker 8 (04:06):
So try to anyhow, I try to.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, but yeah, I'm like, you.

Speaker 8 (04:11):
Know, I'm excited to for tonight's guests, you know, coming
from the southeast, you know, like let me rephrase, not
the Pacific Northwest. I mean like in the Sorry my
tongues twisted tonight. So you know, somewhere it's not as
or at least for me, I don't know. To me,
I always think, you know, desert, you know, no trees,

(04:34):
you know, all this kind of stuff. So but I
do hear stories and reports and you know BFR reports
things like that that come in from the southwest there
in Arizona, New Mexico and all this that area. So
it's gonna be cool.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
We just interviewed uh M K Davis for the second
time and we discussed that area and Lovelock, k even
and a lot of the stuff they found out there.
Uh I know, Hillary y'all. He's he's already seen a
picture of me dressed up. He saw I think it's Halloween.
I sent it to him or posted on Facebook. But uh,

(05:13):
I dressed. Everybody knows. I dressed with Walter White and
have my little blue rocks and stuff. So everybody got
a good laugh and I shaved my head and everything.
So y'all, Uh, we we're gonna bring Jesus pie in
on and we thank him for coming on. Yes, minx
he he they saw you on Flashy Beauty said, he's
all right. We told him he doesn't know, didn't know

(05:35):
anything about us. I said, look, let you send your
humor role and we're okay, like sitting on the back
porch and with your drink a choice or whatever. So
bring on, bring Jesus in y'all. Hey, buddy, is that
a beer? How's it going? You've had a busy day too?

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Then the busy one? Yeah, fullest, and.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
To that, and then he rushes in with thirteen minutes ago,
and some dummy hadn't sent him the link yet.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
I I was stretching through my emails. I said, what
what did I do? What?

Speaker 3 (06:16):
I I looked down at my phone and says Jesus,
I am messenger and a lot Oh crap, I forgot
to sit it. You know, we're far from professional, but uh,
you know, we have fun and we'd like to we'd
like to get into the stories. And one thing I've learned, Uh,

(06:40):
if somebody's more apt to see something weird one time,
they start paying attention and you see more witness as
it goes. And some of the stuff you talked about,
we won't give a shout out to Jill. And Matt
was Flashing Beauty. Uh we we had Jill on one
time and she was really sweet. And y'all go check
that out on Flash of Beauty and it's one of

(07:03):
the latest ones. And I watched it today. I was rolling.
I mean, some of the stories he was telling. There
goes a light. Some of the stories he was telling.
I was just I was I was about crying laughing.
But anyway, Amanda, can you take over a second.

Speaker 8 (07:18):
Absolutely, so, I don't don't go to the light, Roger right.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Don't do it?

Speaker 8 (07:29):
Alright, So just picture right, you prefer Jesus and said
he hey, Sus or does it go either way?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I go with whatever language we're speaking.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Gotcha, I got you.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah, So how did you When did you decide
to start coming out publicly with all of your big
foot encounters and other high strangers that you've experienced.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well, I've always told family friends, well mostly mostly friends,
because besides my mom and my sister, you know, uh,
usually they were usually there around a lot of it
growing up with me, So the random few. I was
born on a military base and in Spain. You know,

(08:17):
my dad was the Air Force and so the first
part of my life was in the military and not
My parents didn't hang out with people. They didn't really
have friends. They just did them, weren't to work, came home,
you know, made food and paid bills. And yeah, the
occasional friend I would have that was close enough to
where I'd like, hey, did you see that UFO last night?

(08:39):
And they'd be like, what are you talking about? It's
not being crazy, you know. I was like eleven, twelve
years old, and after like the fourth person that I
would say that, you know, when I see something and
they had no idea what I was talking about and
thought I was nuts, That's when I realized, you know,
it wasn't common for people to be seeing those things.
But I never stopped. I never stopped sharing my experience

(09:00):
with people because a lot of times it was with people.
I'll be around people when this kind of stuff happens,
so it makes it harder for me not to talk
about it when they're like, man, is this weird still
happening with you?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Well, I've had I've had the same question, like what
is it about you? Like you show up and I
I don't know. So that's with the weirdness we've we've
we've delved into is it the area, is that the person?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Is it both?

Speaker 8 (09:27):
You know?

Speaker 3 (09:28):
And I think the answer is all of that, and
and I think everything is connected. People they put it
in you know, bigfoot over here, and they I feel
like it's part of the same whatever. I don't know
what to call it. But we go to places and
you know, research or camp or whatever, and there might
be orgs we have, we have orgs on video, we

(09:49):
have things, uh with multiple witnesses at the same time.
And first off, you're you're going to you're going to
a spot to research too now all and you're putting
yourself in the middle of it. But it is strange,
like you sometimes you're like why me, what, what did
I do.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Right?

Speaker 3 (10:14):
All connected?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
What I think this is like my my, I guess
hypotheses are constantly evolving, constantly. I learned more and experience
more and see other people going through things, and I
have you know those moments. Oh man, why didn't think
about it? Could be this? You know? So, uh sound resonance.

(10:39):
You know you've got you've got big foots and that
can do the ultrasound.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
In sound.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, okay, so that's a frequency right now. You know,
we know that shapes have their own frequency, letters have
their own frequency, and everything has its own frequency. So
I would say blood definitely gives off its own frequency,
whatever type it may be. So if see like the

(11:13):
old negative blood type or the beat negative or the
beat bloods or ABCDFG whatever, they all have their own residents.

Speaker 8 (11:22):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
What if the negatives the old negatives? Mainly those negatives
I noticed?

Speaker 3 (11:29):
You know, are you old negative?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh yeah there, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (11:35):
I'm here out of all things. So I actually I
don't know, and that's bizarre. I need to know. I've had,
like TM, I have had like five major surgeries in
my lifetime. I figured I would know what my blood type,
but I don't.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's funny that he brings it up because one night
we had a lot of people in chat and I
just found out I was old negative and I just
Amanda remembers on my how many of you our own negative?
Is a bam bam bam bam bam. More like what
that's a low percentage of the population, but there's a
high percentage in this chat, which is all.

Speaker 8 (12:07):
Yeah, the chat was just rolling with every people were
all in the oh negative or yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
And yeah he's talking about southwest New Mexico in that
area is where he's.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
At, Like you got the four Corners area. I'm at
the way bottom to the right, at the tip of
El Paso, Texas.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Oh man, I've been The idea.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Is that say that, like, you know, you have radio signals,
you have antennas, you have receivers, right, you have all
these different things. So what if a specific type of
blood or DNA, you know type has a stronger signal,
has a you know, louder yes, and the ones that

(12:55):
can recognize those things however they do or since these
things it's like we're like sore thumbs just you know,
out in the snow, or or or like a black
bob in a dark room, you know, right.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Call it.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
We can call it what we will, resonance spirit, you know, energy.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
But that's what I'm thinking, is that it has to
do with the ones that are that we the ones
that notice us didn't notice that. I think it's for
a reason, and that there's there is a connection on
a I guess it's a molecular or you know level.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
And you know, some of our Native American buddies, Uh,
I get to talk to some and I've I've found out,
you know, a lot of Park Cherokee, a great great
grandmother's lydia, gray eyes and all this stuff, and they're
they've helped me with some of my heritage. And you
know the first time I learned about blood memory and

(13:54):
stuff like that, and you know, some some of this
oral history that has passed down and that I missed
out on because or a lot of us miss out
because you know, I mean, where do you go? I
mean unless you find somebody that trust you and that
can talk to you. Uh, we won't hear none of this.
But I did hear something that you said that was

(14:17):
I really liked you said about taking tracking classes and stuff,
you know, growing up, and I know, I know how
that helps, but how do you utilize that, like when
you're out in the field. I mean, which we know how,
but I mean there may be people missing, you know, listening.

(14:38):
That might not the.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Way that I would utilize that is the more you
do know officially animalized tracks, wise gates, you know, different gates,
you know, but pedal versus quadrupedal. Because the stuff we're
looking for isn't in the stuff they're teaching you. M m.

(15:04):
I'm looking at that, and that is not all the
things I learned in that class.

Speaker 8 (15:08):
Yeah, yep, I can recognize it.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
I can say that is not normal.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, that is not you know, and you know when
he says tracking class. Also, you're looking at the natural
material and everything, so it's been manipulated. It's not just
foot prints on the ground. It's directional breaks. Maybe something's

(15:34):
tracking something out. It's a lot. You see the whole picture.
And if you find a set of tracks, this is important.
I don't think people talk about this enough. If Jesus
finds a trackway maybe let's say he finds two, and
he's looking at it and all matches up, but then
he's also looking over to the left and right to

(15:55):
make sure it wasn't faked if somebody else had been
standing there. So there's a lot goes into it. And
I never was officially taught, but I was taught hunting
and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
So you don't have to have a certificate, ate or
nothing like that to learn. You could go to YouTube University.
They have everything possible you could learn on here. I
learned how to work on diesel trucks through this channel.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, it's my favorite, Like how to change a starter
on a ninety nine shape.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Like now I'm rebuilding right now, a uh Dodge Magnum
two thousand and five Dodge Magnum. Oh so this is
literally like thirty minutes ago. Let's you can see it.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Oh that's sweet. Yeah nice, I'm a mop here.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
You know. So, just like with vehicles, you got to
know the base, you know, information, here's the key, that's ignition.
It needs to breathe, it needs some kind of you know, power.
You got to make sure it has the electricity going
to it, just the basic. The same thing as with
the hunting, you know, the tracking. You gotta just at
least a start based six so you know what a

(17:00):
dog printing the select versus a bare bridge versus you know,
the basics. Then from there when you do go in
the field, and I do recommend everybody watch anybody that
actually goes in the field, watch them, see what they're doing,
see what works. Attention to those things. And when you
go out there, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater,
because you don't think that any breaks below six feet

(17:23):
could be a bigfoot, because you're deer. That must be
an out. You know, it's slow down. They got they're
not always big, you know, grow from little. So there's
little one, you know what I mean, and the little
ones learn how to make from the big ones. And
a copy and the brick sticks too, and yeah, there's
a lot too.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
And to your point, you're talking about bigfoot always people
told me, oh, if it's a big tree and a
deer rubs, it is a big deer. Quick story. I
saw a little bitty deer, little buck make a rub
do all the work, and two other bucks took it
away from him, and they never touched it. All they
did is squad and urinated it, took it over and
they let him do all the work. So you know,

(18:01):
eah eah, bigger buck took it over. So you can't
go by like you're saying you can't go by that.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, so this is the thing. Okay, so once, like
we were talking about earlier, that we noticed more right
after we Well, it's pattern recognition, just like if you
know what a rub looks like from a deer, you know,
versus if you didn't. So what we're out there, eyes
are scanning the ones that do know what we're looking at. Uh,

(18:30):
then we can be like, oh, that's not one, that's
not that's okay, that's it, that's something that little bit
moved over there. That's this. They were doing that. I've
seen them do that before, you know. So it's all
pattern recognition. With some people, there will there will be
something on the right next to them in front of
their face, hunking and gyrating, and they won't even notice it,

(18:51):
don't even know it's there.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Then yep, you're right, it's there.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
But until you actually pointed out to look over there,
and then we'll see it. And the next time they'll
be looking over there here, then look up.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
It's the same thing with honting and stuff. My wife
she didn't do that growing up, and a few months
and being with me, I was teaching how to look
at the angles and uh and all this stuff. And
most people look too high, you know, so you have
to have somebody to help you, you know. And I
could you tell the audience. I'm sure we've got a

(19:27):
different audience. Your first uh bigfoot encounter on the gravel road?
Was that your first one?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, I would say my actual first encounter physically of
some sort, you know, like not just hear anybody or
hearing a long call from far away. And yeah, I
wasn't looking for bigfoot either, you know, not whatsoever. It
was me and my good friend Michael H. Carrio, and
we were it was early two thousands, and we were

(19:56):
on my parents property and it's a five acre plot
and the road around it is shaped like a horseshoe.
So we're at the bottom of that that horseshoe of
the road. And we lived four miles outside of a
small village. That's thirteen miles outside of the small town

(20:18):
we live. So you know, we're about forty miles from
White San's Muscile Range as well, so we're out, we're
in the we're in the cut, you know.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
But it's a great way out yonder. That's what we right.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Right out of calendar and there's no light. We don't
have light pollution in that area, so it's really good
for you know, star gazing. And but we were out
there ufo gazing looking for UFOs. There was no moon
out at all. It was just perfect dark, dark, dark night,
you know, stars everywhere. And we walked out to the
edge of my property and onto a gravel road and

(20:57):
we're just out there, just chilling, waiting looking around for
UFOs to pop up. Because it happens a lot happens
a lot aroom, you know, every day or nothing, but
more than the average person. I'll just say that, Well.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
You ain't gonna see them if you're not out there,
so you know this, don't.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Look up, you don't whining, don't play exactly.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Oh my god. I worked for the Tennessee Laudery for
four years. They're like, what's the odds of winning the
power Ball? I'm like, so with a ticket or without? Like,
with a ticket, oh, it's about the same as without.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
You know.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
My boss like, you can't say that. I'm like, okay, sorry,
I'm sorry, I don't.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah. So we're out there just waiting and we hear
something step onto the gravel road in front of us.
When I mean it's pitch dark. It's pitch dark. You know,
it got to our eyes had adjusted enough to wander
to the edge of our property. Without you know, we
went inn whither we'd probably get lost. But because in

(22:04):
the distance you could see our back porch light, you know,
in the back deck in the distance two and a
half acres away, so you know, we know where home was.
So we're out there and we hear, you know, crunch, crunch, crunch,
and you know, tat Michael and he's on the left
of me, and we're facing the east, facing east and

(22:27):
towards the mountains, and the keeps on going, walking to
the other side of the road. You know, why did
the scary monster walk on to the other side of
the road. And it started walking back the other way
into it was officially pacing back and forth. And I
called down, you know, hey, who there, what are you doing?

(22:48):
What are you doing out here in the middle of nowhere?
Shouldn't be down here and the middle of nowhere this
time of the hour or not like us, right, And
there's no response, no talking, just pacing back and forth.
And it was you know, Bi Pedle I could tell
it was bye peedle. It wasn't. It wasn't a little
horse here or a donkey in the desert. And if
it was it was a you know, a cat, a

(23:08):
large cat, you wouldn't hear. It wouldn't be crunch crunch
that well.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
And another thing, Jesus, if if something with hooves were
doing that, you could tell it was hooves. You know
when it's heavy soft feet, right, I mean it's something
in your memory bank of sounds, you know, growing up
out there. You know, you know what I mean, so
you know what it's not right.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Exactly exactly. So Yeah, at that time, I already had
been you know, security and a bouncer at a bunch
of places, and I started bouncing. I was sixteen years old,
and I dealt with a lot of dudes. They tried
to dittle. Not all guys are that brave. They usually
someone have to build up the courage, you know, drink

(23:54):
so many shots before they can, yeah, before they're.

Speaker 8 (23:56):
Like I'm roody, you know, I'm literally.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
So there is a specific as you know, as a bouncer,
you you can feel the static coming from that person,
the the they're they're they're stewing you know, they're stewing,
trying to build it up and build up that that
that that courage, you know, to do whatever they plan
on doing. And I was feeling that and that's not good.

(24:23):
I'm I'm really good at feeling those things right with people.

Speaker 8 (24:28):
You sposed to be feeling from something in the middle
of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
If you don't, you're not very good at your job,
right and you end up in the hospital.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
So that was really good at my job. And I
used to retrain whole security teams and traveled around the
United States. It was like a big Toto version of
a roadhouse, you know, different for instance, to fix things.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
And can I I want to say something, y'all. Uh So,
talking to my good friend Greg House. He's in chat
he's in Alabama, a few miles from me, and he's
had more than me. But I had at one time
where they had one. They throw a fit and they
work theirself up, you know what I mean. It's like, uh,
the more they're pacing, the more it's fixing to get real.

(25:14):
And so when I heard you say that, I told
you I called him. I said, man, he was talking
about the same thing that they do that out there
that they do here, and and that's kind of a
humanistic kind of thing, right, so, yeah, very much so.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
So I told Michael, I was like, man, this isn't good.
This is not good. And uh, let's grab some rocks.
And it's scared, you know whatever. We don't want to
near us right now. It seems like it's getting angrier.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
And we squat down and we grabbed some rocks, you know,
grab some.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Yeah cool h yeah, Now.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
The rocks and it must have been like a cartoon,
you know, like a bugs bunnies dodging stuff didn't hit
it once. I mean, it was ridiculous that we threw
a lot of rocks. And it's still pacing back and forth,
pacing back and forth faster because it's it's kind of
pissed that we were three rocks at it, right, it's
a it's a it's acknowledging that we've done something that

(26:24):
would have harmed it if it had hit it, and
how to try to hurt it, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
And I can I can see you pulling at your buddy.
He did it, He did it.

Speaker 8 (26:35):
Like that did not work. Now we've just made it back,
made it.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Now, Now what do we do?

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Right? So now, yeah, we're I can it feel like
we're this close to it going? You know, I just
reached down and I grab a kind of a little
bit larger rock than we hit, you know, the ones
we had a bunch of you in our hand versus
just one. So I grab a bigger rock and I
closed my eyes and you know, as I said, I

(27:00):
used the force. You know, it makes no sense why
he was closeized in the middle of the dark. I
shouldn't make a difference, but it did. I closed my
eyes and I could actually see a mass with the sound,
moving back and forth on the gravel, and I reached back,
who whack and screamed, you know, all crazy, and me

(27:21):
and my friend Mica were like, help us. You know,
we're there, and we started running and we took off
to the right towards my house and we're running. You know,
that's as we can. He's he's a normal, physically fit,
you know, young man at the time. So he was
gone and I was just chuggling, looking pounds of pounds,

(27:46):
you know, move and had asthma, and you know I
had left be and it was you know, I got
up late that day and late in half an hour
yet you.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Know, a little advice to everybody that's listening or watching.
I was almost four hundred pounds at one time. If
you see me or Jesus running, you better don't ask questions.
Go that way, right. We'll talk about it later if
we make it right.

Speaker 8 (28:16):
Do not collects.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I didn't run nowhere unless yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
You know. So we're like now halfway to my back deck.
So the lights starting to show from the flood light
in the back and I looked to my left, and
you know, he's ready, you know, almost to the deck,
and I see what's on all fours uh monster at

(28:41):
the time, And you know, I didn't think, hey, bigfoot,
you know what I mean? Yeah, it was. It looked
to turn its head and shut its teeth to me,
which scared of living crap out of me even more.
And so yeah, I run faster. Ah, you know what
I'm talking about. The picture I had made a picture,
uh to show you. Let me see hold on.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
I like him, he does like I do. Try to
put make our eyes kind of show people what's going on.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Whatever, you know, let's see, Oh here we go. Here
is all right? So this is kind of what I
saw right my crack scream.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
But all right, oh heck, now, so so it was
it was crouched down. Was it was it moving at
the time.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Mm hmmm, it was. It was just.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Missed it.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
That.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
That's when you called the other gear. Okay, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I was burning rubbers then I was just jiggling everywhere.
It was terrible, but I was. I was going at
least four and a half miles per hour. I didn't
get that. And if they wanted, if it wanted to
catch me, would a coton. That was the thing, I believe,
like I said, for its size now I know now
it looked at I see it early teens maybe you know.

(30:13):
It was about six feet tall and uh yeah, ran
up the deck and it tackled the deck on the
right boom, and ran around it again on the other
side and tackled that side boom. And we couldn't get
inside the house. We couldn't figure out the sliding door.
It was just we're freaked out, man. It was just
like Fort Knox for a second, ran inside the house,

(30:35):
slammed it shut, pulled the curtain. You weren't trying to go. Hey, look,
let's take pictures of a big or notthing like that.
We're just like, oh, what the hell just happened? And
he thought it was a werewolf because he had seen
what he believed werewolf in a pecan orchard that his
dad he was farming. And uh, yeah, they saw what
they thought was a werewolf out there taking peacans. Where

(30:59):
was that at about let's say three miles from Myles? Oh?

Speaker 8 (31:07):
Snap, okay, so that's all right there in the same area.
Then Wow, that's crazy for the ways he's describing it.
It could have caught you if it had wanted to,
but it chose not to even creepier in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I think, you know, me and Aman has heard so
many stories and we've had things happen to us, and
you know, you kind of lose that. I had a
buddy he's more country than I am, and he saw
one when he was like twelve and twenty foot away,
and you know, he was stealing a calf and he
caught it. And so anyway, I asked him that question.
I'm like, man, did it keep you from doing? You know?

(31:46):
He said, man, he said way, I figured it was.
If he's there, he's always been there, he could have
got me anytime. He wanted to. He could have reached
out and grabbed me then and he didn't, so, you know,
and it's wild how different people handle the stressful situations.
And we talked about that about your job as a bouncer.

(32:08):
I was a correction officer. A lot of people in
chat former police officers, police officers, h e. R. Nurses.
You name any kind of stressful job that the people
that hold it together a little bit. It don't mean
that you don't feel it inside, but you react a
little different, and then when you get safely to the truck,
you fall to pieces, you know. But that's that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
It was like this, Okay, I was doing a movie.
It was it doesn't matter what movie it was, but
I was set right. I wasn't in the movie or nothing.
And they wanted to introduce me to the producer and
some actors that were there. Uh, they wanted to meet
me because of Breaking Bad and stuff and Pale Yeah

(32:56):
from the Matrix, and Sean Patrick Leannery. Uh, they were
doing the movie. So I talked to him and stuff
and they're like, hey, you want to be in it?
And I was like, sure, what are we doing?

Speaker 8 (33:09):
You know?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
The nightclub scene and there's going to be an explosion,
you know, you could you know, be in the crowd
or something, you know. And I was like, okay, So
she forgot that I'm six foot three and the average
person in Albuquerque is about five foot eight maybe, you know.
And so they're about to to you know, to shoot
the scene and there I'm standing up and everybody comes

(33:30):
up to here and you just see my head sticking
up in the scene and one of the the producers
you just hear, what the hell are we supposed to
do with that? And so I was like, I was like,
I can explain, and they're like, please do. I was like,
don't worry about me. I know what I'm doing. This

(33:52):
is security floor security. So when that dene explodes, everybody's
going to be running away, correct, And well, yeah, I go,
I'm doing that's running towards it there, right, Oh yeah,
do it? You know. So the thing, yeah, the thought process,
like when it was just like for me, minor stuff,

(34:15):
little things like having to be at Walmart, you know,
or wherever. Bugs the living crap it. I mean, I
get all anxiety and all PTSD, you know, and but
if it's a insane event car crash, you know, shootouts whatever.
I'm on the ball. I'm ready. It's no problem, you know,

(34:36):
do it, you know, but yeah, it's it's it's a trip, man.
So it carries over, like you said, it carries over,
you know, to to the strange and unknown.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
You know, right, and and y'all, Uh, if you watch
that interview, I hope you if you hadn't you go
and watch it. Uh. I was kind of surprised because
I saw the breaking big Foot and all that. We've
been friends on Facebook. We don't know each other, but
you know, a couple of years. And uh, when I
started getting into all this, I started adding folks, and

(35:07):
it's my son just posted and made me forget. I
can't look at the chat y'all.

Speaker 8 (35:14):
Paint no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
But man, what was I gonna say? I'm getting old, y'all. Sorry,
it happens, you know what I mean? So Amanda, can
you bail me out?

Speaker 8 (35:27):
Bail you out? Okay, I think of it.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
In a second.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
We're talking about I said, the carries over, The carries over.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
I know what I was gonna say. So I saw
the breaking Bigfoot, and I've seen his post. He does
the the show, the shows and stuff and goes to
the meet and Greek type things. And I was surprised.
And this is why I kind of leaned up in
my seat while I was watching the interview. I've had
UFO experience that was it was under deniable what it

(36:00):
was because when it left, it went out into space
and a clear as light. That's a mind twisting thing
to see. But I saw the Big Foot three years earlier,
so I think I reacted a little better when I
saw that. But you now, we're fixing to get into weird, y'all.
It's not weird to me, but it you know, you

(36:23):
have actually seen aliens, right yeah, and so it's that's
gotta be hard to talk about. But once you make
that step, you know it's out there. And now, if
I remember correctly, you said you've never seen one get
out of a craft, but you've seen them together a

(36:44):
couple of times.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Right, Well, well, i've seen the craft down on the
ground where I have to get on them. So I've
been taking with them. They've been on the craft. Right there,
I said, looking at my windows coming through walls.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
When did that stars.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
My first uphone memory of our first memory of them
utphone memory was in uh We were in England, about
an hour's drive from Bentwater's Air Force Base. It was
in nineteen eighty. I was four years old and my
sister was staying in my room because her room was

(37:23):
too closed, a old two hundred year old house and
just her frozen, her haunted or something. We were in
the room and we saw a cigar shape unless it
was a disc facing perfectly with you know, cigar as, Yeah,
coming towards our window when it came close enough. I
don't remember anything else after that, you know, that's a constant,

(37:43):
you know, just no more memory for those areas. But
the first I guess memories I have of seen any
entities whatever we want to call them. I asked you
when I was about.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Ten, ten very young?

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, or ten it would be the age.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, But think about what you just said. You were
in a military kid, and you were around air force
bases for how many years?

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Mmmm?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I'd say living on them for about fourteen.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Years and then living you said you lived close to
them later.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, yeah, we were literally thirteen miles from the base
that we were stationed on three different times where my
parents were talking, did you.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Ever hear any military folks discussing it or is it
just something that was hush hush and you had to
deal with on, you know, trying to figure it out
on your own.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Well, and I'm a Gordo. There's of course a lot
of you know, I wouldn't call it hush hush, but
more there's kind of whispers. But it's kind of like
a lot of the reservations I've lived on, you know,
bigfoots and a big deal that you know it's there,
it's there here, it's you know, UFOs bigfoot is not
as as popular as in being seen. You know, you

(39:09):
don't know exactly where to look sometimes, but right here
you see it all kinds of stuff a lot. So
that's like we always knew stuff was there on the
base and the weird things on you know, White Sends
missile range, knowing that the close Encounters of the third
kind was based on an incident here at White Sen's
missile range. You know that that whole story was here.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
And yeah, and then we had you know, you said,
local move on tier as well as meetings every month,
and there's a lot going on here, and yeah, it's
it's kind of just not a big deal. We've got
the base here and the biggest little, biggest military missile
range on Earth. Kinds of weird stuff going on.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Well you would you would think, you know, that beings
would be curious. And we've heard stories, uh missile silo
is getting shut down by you know UFOs we used
to call them back in old days, but in the
UAPs now and you know, we hear some fantastical stories.
But dad gum, I just me being through the stuff

(40:18):
I've been through. I I finally realized, man, I can't
say anything about anybody's story because I tell a story,
and I know people that listen all the time. I'll
be telling stories about the ufone and the ghost to
you and then the big Foot, and I'm like in
my head, Roger, you're sounding crazy. Stop, you know, But
when you're telling the truth, just get it out there,

(40:41):
you know. And and people in the areas, in the
areas you're you're you've been in, are right for that stuff.
Now what can you tell us about? You know, I've
seen some of the pretty well, to be honest, I've
seen some of the pretty land and in uh New Mexico,
and I've seen some of the kind of barren land
and you know, and you can go around a curve
and it just changes, you know, beautiful. And what can

(41:05):
you tell people that's never been to New Mexico about
some of the bigfoot bigfooty areas?

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Is it more greenery and like here or do they
live in the desert pipe.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Or they go both ways?

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Dude, you had been in you had been in here
with us. Man, you you come to Tennessee, all are
at us We'll do.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
But yeah, we've got them in the forests, we got
them in the desert. They're able to live either place
all over you know the state, which, of course people
are like, yeah, OK, bigfoots are everywhere, dude, but you'd
be amazed just how many there really are out there. Uh,
that we've you know, followed their their their the sightings,

(41:52):
you know, and the evidence. But yeah, for people that
come here, we don't have a lot of forests in
New Mexico, but we have like the th ones here,
Sacramento Mountains, the Lincoln County National Forest here, it's the
I think it's the smallest national forest there is. But yeah,
we have that now that's down here by a pass

(42:15):
with the tip of Texas area kind of world. And
then you have to go all the way to the
middle of the state to get to Santa Fe and
you've got some greenery there, and there's the Madrid Mountains.
We have a lot of you know activity up there,
and those you know, like the foothills kind of you
know what I mean. And it's those juniper trees that

(42:35):
only grow to ten twelve feet high and they look
all like big bushes more but the trees. And then
you get up to the Four Corners area with Farmington
and all these other places like that, and where you
got big forests you know, all near that area. So
it we got them both places. I'd just say if
you if you want to look for some bigfoots here,

(42:57):
look up the the siding areas and go to those
areas more likely find something you know that's related to So.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
What's your what's your opinion? Because Tennessee surprisingly has like
more caves than any state in the United States. But
then you've got Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, You've got Georgia.
What's the cave situation out there?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
It is very.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
That I love it. Yeah, like Roger, you cavy to give.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
A great example of how cavings it is here. Have
you ever heard of Carl's Bad caverns?

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yes, sir, with all the bats yep, well, car.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Bad caverns is everywhere here underneath you know, that's just
all of it. Oh yeah, like here where I'm at,
even the about youa.

Speaker 8 (43:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
During the times of the Spaniards coming and doing their thing,
they were traveling, did disappear into the caves at the
bottom of the mountains, and they knew the cases is
all the ways to the very top of the mountains,
and they no longer use those, uh nowadays. But that's
where the Sasquatch are using without no doubt sure, because
they don't migrate. These ones don't migrate during winter. There's

(44:22):
still in the area, but they're just not, you know,
as prevalent because it's winter time. They set up camp,
you know, and around y'all.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Because he's in the southwest. Do not think it doesn't
get cold there. I got out of the car one
night in the middle of the desert and it felt
like my skin was drawing up. It's so dry. Uh,
it's cold, I mean here in New Mexico, no doubt. Yeah,
so I saw snow. I think it was near Albuquerque

(44:51):
when we were there, and it you know, it's it's pretty,
it's you know, you get out in the different areas. Uh,
I just my dumb redneck tail. I was didn't dress
for cold weather because we're going to the desert, right,
So I had this little thin thing, Oh no, sucks,
and they're like, you're gonna die. I'm like, I know,

(45:15):
but but there's plenty of those trees you're talking about
to keep warm. But you know, don't burn nose because
you get put in jail. But uh so you know
you have a you said you have a research area
about twenty minutes from your house. How often do you
get to go out there?

Speaker 2 (45:39):
To my if, I say, maybe once or twice every
couple of weeks ago, okay, And because there's there's like
three four different researcher is twenty minutes away from me
that I know the areas.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
So you know I'm doing that week and y'all, he
when he says research and stuff, he's then got to
the point now where he carries fruits with him and
tell tell people how when you pull up at the
research area, how you do different than most people. You
just you let them know you're there and everything. I've

(46:16):
heard that before here and it seems to work for
the people that do that. Let tell them how you
Oh wait a minute, let me get this question in
right quick. This is my buddy that lives in Alabama
to house. He has them around his house.

Speaker 8 (46:28):
He asked this question earlier.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah, and I forgot. He backs up to a national park.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Have you ever had any follow you home other you know,
other than that one like if you're researching and then
maybe come around the house. Yeah, he said, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, I had them. I found prints out here at
my house. And they keep on. They kept them letting
their dogs out like I would that I have. You know,
you know how heavy a railroad tie is, right mm
hmm okay, those are heavy. You know, it's statuated with
the wheel. And the dogs kept getting that were like,
what the heck man, you don't get now? So I was,

(47:12):
you know, they had been digging underneath at first, you know,
they must be digging right here. So they covered it up,
you know, and they'd be out again. And if the
stuff would be moved, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna put
a lawn more here this time and this and that.
You know, a dog can't do that. Next morning, they're
out a lot more than move I'm like, okay, railroad

(47:34):
times the stack of them, I'll put some railroad ties
and no dog gonna move a damn railroad tire too
on top of each other. Next morning they've been moved out,
and the dogs d out again. You know, So they
definitely know me. They know that I know that they know.

(47:55):
So yeah, they're following me home. You know.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
That's a scary thought for a lot of us. And
and I think Mark Green and Gray they had talked
about that, and I'm like, oh, man, I live and
I live in a small town, but I'm in the
city limits. But now I got to thinking the city
limits end on the other side of these houses, and
there's woods as far and there's be a far report
b are far O reports within twelve miles of the

(48:19):
crow flies. So then then I started worrying about that.
I'm like, oh, no, y'all quit. The more you learn,
the it's better. It's better to learn, but then you
can get some scary situations. But yet I love the
way you explained, like when you get out with the

(48:39):
fruit and everything, like how you just announce yourself like hey,
I've had situations where I've had to go, look, hey,
we're no threat. I don't have anything in my hands.
We're leaving. You can have the place, and it's like
everything calms down, you know, like Okay, we know what
you're doing. Now just get out of here. We'll leave
you alone. So and you. I don't want to say
a relation ship, but they get to know who you

(49:02):
are and your energy and your us. I guess.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
We make a unspoken acquaintance with each other. And when well,
like if you go out there and you're trying to
do bigfoot calls, you know and knocking, they take that
as you're trying to deceive them and convince them that
it's a bigfoot, right, because you're trying to get them

(49:31):
to talk back. You know, when I go out there
and do that, I'm doing that, then them know already
that I'm there, you know, because I do it. I
introduce myself, Hey, it's me, what's up. I'm Jesus. And
the one that goes like that, and you know, came
to say what's up. Hey, guys, don't worry. You know,
you guys want to say, I say Hi, I'm gonna

(49:52):
be looking around here, okay, just saying what's up. I
know you're out there whoop, whoop, whoop, you know, or
noises and get their tenders like, oh crap, he's talking
to us. Yeah, he knows. We understand some things.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Jesus, I'm going to tell you that. I'm going to
tell you the truth. If you'd have told me that
five years ago, I'd have been like, what's he's saying?
But I have friends that have done similar things. I've
done it. And the more I talk to people that
know but kind of keep things quiet. When you when

(50:29):
you acknowledge them and they know, you know, it's a
different ballgame. They may they may leave you. They may
leave you alone. They may be curious. They are a
lot curious, you know. And I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Sometimes I get out there and I'm like, man, should
I be doing this? But when you tell stories like that,
it helps me think. Okay, you know, like you said,
five years ago, if they wanted to wipe me off
the farm over there, they could have done it. So
uh and have you have you seen any little ones?

Speaker 8 (51:04):
Hm?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
I have sent you a picture of the feet.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, what is.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
So?

Speaker 3 (51:13):
We got unreal real estate agent's got a question, It says,
breaking Bigfoot. Have you ever seen a weird patch of
smoky fog slash missed in and around the same time
as Bigfoot or other ports have shadows orbs as well,
that suddenly there are suddenly gone.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
The only time I've seen the mists anything like that
is in between Socorro and Carrizozo in the valley of
fire lava fields. And uh, yeah, that whole day was
just filled with strange, crazy crap in those clouds. And yeah,

(51:51):
it was like a fog, but not a fog. You know.
I saw you a fold that day and strange things
poking out or clouds.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
And if yeah, if I show a picture, because we
don't have an order, can just you know, if you
talk about it, maybe I go to the next one
or whatever and we can.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
But speaking of the little ones, I'm assuming this one
right here. Yeah, hold on, yep, uh yeah. How many
how many tracks did you find there that day?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
We found about seven? It was in the real the
was it the real Grand the uh the San Juan
you know San Juan River and uh in the middle
of the river, you know, was a little island, you know,
sand bar sticking up, and uh we went up walked

(52:48):
through it to kimel tab. I don't know my chest
maybe water dip waste level. And yeah, there was flipprints
right there in the middle. Like you wouldn't let you
know this. This is a real river. It's not it's
not a little little string. It's a real damn river.

Speaker 8 (53:07):
Your kids run around bare size.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Think about that. My hand is nine inches from palm
to tip, so those are they were like maybe six
inches long, those princils on a normal child, that's you know,
a three four year old year old, you know.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
And for that size to me of the untrained eye
that went to that ball of the foot's too wide
for a kid, and the depth is too deep for
a normal weight child. And that's a that's a foot
made for walking in sand and material like that to
keep them sinking up. I would think, I know a
little bit about mud tires. That's all kind of equated,

(53:50):
you know. But if you look at it, you know,
and you've got you've got, I can see the undulation
of the foot, Uh you can, you can see it.
That's a good picture.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
The mid break. Yeah, this one the Navajo Upper fruit
Land Reservation that's where we were at when we got these.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
That's crazy. And that's not the first time I've heard
of the the middle sandbars being a spot where tracks
Greg and track Greg and Chat found some behind his
man cave. Uh So, you know, y'all, if you have
a river or creek, good sized river creek, start checking

(54:36):
those sandbars, make the sacrifice, walk through that waste deep
water and get over there.

Speaker 8 (54:42):
Here's another photo. Looks is that the print itself before
you cast it?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
I didn't cast this one. This was actually down here.

Speaker 8 (54:54):
This is different, Okay, up.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
In Tuley Creek. That's where I'm my house is. Toley
Creek is between the mountains and Knee so's it's in
that track in their path up and down that that
waterway that they follow from the mountains. But yeah, this
was there, and uh yeah, I just some people think
it's a bear print, but I don't think it's a

(55:17):
bear print personally.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Was that on an incline or dcline? No, perfectly flat,
perfectly flat, okay, because it looks like the toes you're
trying to get a little tracks a little bit or
grew up just so maybe maybe it was taking off
running or something right there.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Where we found it was right next to a tree
we called the Hanging Tree. Unfortunately, for horrible reasons, right,
people have been found on the tree.

Speaker 8 (55:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
But yeah, it was right there by the tree, which
that would lead up the tree because it's like a big, old,
giant trunk where you can sit and chill and hang
out up there. Perfect for you know, for them to
hang out. And that's where I did my video Toley
Creek Bigfoot, where there a whistle and back and forth
to me.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
And now somebody in chat asked earlier, I don't think
all the pictures loaded. I don't think I is this
the structure they were talking about? This is the only
one I've got. No, that's a different one. That's a
different one. I see the the face back there.

Speaker 8 (56:21):
I definitely got somebody watching you back there.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Is that? Okay?

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Here's the zoomed in version.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah. The same day that that later that night, they
came to my tent and peeled off the top of
the tent to look inside and screare the crap out
of the friend I was with.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Now, when you say they, is that the they with
the gray or is that?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
For what I could see? There's three of them that night.
I didn't realize that that night because I couldn't see him.
My friend was right underneath the mesh, so he could see,
you know, like it's through a screen door, you can
see right directly through it your side. It becomes solid.
So where I was sitting, I just knew they were
out there because they're pushing on the tan. And you know,

(57:12):
I could send up in that tent and I'm six
for three and I couldn't. My head didn't touch, but
they were big enough to look down, look down on
the head. So I know that area, that's my area.
You know, that's the place where I you know, I
know they're at. So me, I just thought it was cool.
I was all right, you didn't believe me.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
I told you, and they're dragging you out. I told you.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Until I got home and enhanced the images I had
and realized that the reason why he was having a
panic attack was because he was seeing more than one.
There was two squad and apparently a green skinned.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Rep tight how Rammonius is here? He said, he's gonna
give you a hard time. So O Tate, he's here.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt. I'm just full
of questions.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Hey, are you in your hot time machine?

Speaker 7 (58:12):
Man?

Speaker 2 (58:12):
I know you are, don't bro.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
You know, we interviewed him a while back. He's cool.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I need to get out there. He's been inviting me
to Bluff Creek forever, and every day gets in my
way and surgeries and just I'm gonna get out there.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
I swear swear breaking breaking Blue Creek has a ring
to it.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (58:41):
Yeah, make some kind of special thing and you can
roll up.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
In your winebago and cook some blue stuff. But I
thought that was hilarious, y'all. He bought a we call
it motor home, just like in the in the series. Yeah,
we'll talk about that right before we go. But that's cool,
is there? I could do a show you sitting talking
to you about all that.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
But what is this?

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Well, apparently looks like female sasquat. It looks a little
what we're seeing inside the red circle what appears to
be a scar, a keloid scar.

Speaker 8 (59:36):
Yeah, I've heard before.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
It looks like a burn mark, like almost like a branding.
And you know, I've been doing tattoos and kinds of
skin art for over thirty five years, so I know skin.
I know brandings, I know body modifications, and this is
a very old branding. It looks like in the way

(59:58):
it's ribboned, the Bigfoot, Bigfoot from over here that's in California,
obviously that I got a picture of happen to have
the same thing on the same arm in the same location,
which is very very very strange. Like it's that hard
enough to get a picture of the sasquatch at all period, right, right,

(01:00:21):
get a picture of a sasquatch with the same thing
on its arm as one sixty years ago, right, the
whole different state. That's got to mean something.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
God, well, hey it you have to be looking for
stuff that other people are not, right, I mean, and
plus your experience, whatever your experience is, whatever your job is.
You know, we have a doctor, you know, in chat Rusty,
and we have people all different walks of life, and
I feel like we're stronger as a collective, you know, like, hey, man,

(01:00:57):
look at this. What do you say, Well, I'm a
tattoo artist and that man, I see this right here. Uh,
I would never have seen it because I don't do that.
And I love the fact that people from you just say,
different walks of life different professions or whatever. Ah get
into this for whatever reason. Most of the time it's
because they've seen something strange and they're trying to figure

(01:01:17):
it out. But that is that's cool. Well, now some
of these you took and kind of made a comparison,
Like you got the picture on one side and you
put a face over it to kind of show, you know, like,
let's let's see this one here. Where where did this
picture come from?

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Okay, so the picture on the left is the actual
picture that's here in Eagle Creek in our mountains here,
and that was out, you know, looking for the Sasquatch,
and I saw this it the individual, I know you
want to call it the time. I just knew something
was sitting there watching me mhm perfectly, and I have

(01:01:59):
been the video of it, and I spin, excuse me,
I spin my phone, you know, pretending I don't see it.
I'm just feeling around because I always pretend I don't
see them when I see them, right.

Speaker 8 (01:02:09):
I've heard that technique works really well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
So for years I didn't. I couldn't figure out what
the hell it was because if you look at don't
look at the one of the right, those two white thingies,
which now I know are the eyebrows. I thought we're
whiskers above those two littlehite things in the middle look
kind of like a nose and to the left look
kind of like an eye.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
What the hell is that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Like a giant five foot tall otter that's standing there,
you know, some weird black sort.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Of mountain that'd be worse than a bigfoot Jesus, So eat,
you looked.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
You know, and uh, you know, researching and hearing you know,
other people saying that, uh, they've seen little ones and
they look like chimpanzees.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
You know, it's funny you say that. We have a
friend in South Alabama close to Florida that he he
records twenty four well at night, every day, every night,
and uh, he's got some audio he sent us and
there was a juvenile out there eating something he put

(01:03:16):
out and it sounded like a chimpanzee a little bit,
you know what I mean. So we put it on
AI and had it, you know, let ai and it
said it's a It said it was a chimp. But
they don't have chimps in South Alabama.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
So well, just say, okay, you know that if you
ever worked with any type of editing software. You can
make change the opacit opacity, you know how you can
see through it. There, we'll be there. Okay. So I
found a chimpanzee face facing the same direction is what
I believe I'm seeing here, and I put it a

(01:03:52):
fifty see through. Okay. You know, if we put any
of our faces in that fifty percent see through chimpanzee
on our face, it don't work right, you would see,
it doesn't make.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
You match Your features wouldn't match up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah, so this week, exactly what you're seeing on the
right is only fifty percent. It's see through, and it
fit perfectly that all the anatomical you know, parts of
the ears, the eyebrows, the mouth, area of the nose
was the same. And I was like, oh wow, I
wonder if the other pictures I had, what I believe

(01:04:29):
were juveniles, if those would match up too. You know,
there is bigfoots when they're little look like chimpanzees, and
then they grow into their heads and faces and their ears.
And yeah, there's another one that was again on video.
This is just you know, screenshot grabs, but I did
the same thing, and if it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Can the ears on the left one here I mean,
I'm pretty good at picking out stuff and a lot
of pictures, and sometimes I'm not. And then you have people.
You know, you can show that picture to five different
people in the different rooms and they're going to say, oh, yeah,
I see uh this, or and somebody else is gonna
see something else. What this does it lets people having
trouble focus on the area they need to be focused on.

(01:05:14):
When I see the left picture, I see the eyes.
I can almost see the pupils, and then the mouth.
The mouth, The mouth looks like the bottom teeth are
showing a little bit to me. Now, that might be
a leaf or something in front of it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
But like I said, you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
you definitely see a prominent brow ridge on the what
would be my left looking at it the original photo,
for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:05:41):
It's really cool how they met. Like you said, how
those two the self the superimposed image matches up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
It's only it is not a solid picture over it.
It's seasing so that a whole bunch, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Do you you do the method like uh Scott Carpenter,
you uhould do where you take pictures behind you sometimes
like turned away from them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Yeah, well, that's like that one I took. I do
a selfie. I'll just take a selfie if I if I,
if I see you one, and I want to confuse
that a little bit, right, I will turn around and
just take a backwards picture. But the thing is, when
you take a backwards picture, you know, it's it's you
can't really zoom in or nothing. So you got to
make sure that it's gonna be viewable. See this right here?

(01:06:30):
Is that exactly because the one you just saw was
to the right of this one. This was to the
left of it, same time walking up this little area
and uh, it looks green, but it's making that the
mouth gesture of a primate. Do you make that that
mouth gesture when they're in distress? And if you look

(01:06:50):
at the uh, you know the the indigenous masks from
Alaska and all them, all of them are.

Speaker 8 (01:06:59):
Take the words up my mouth, I said, of all
the tribal masks have been making that circle mouth whistle oo,
look with it so that that looks exactly like one
of those masks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
While that is awesome, it's you know, y'all, and there's
people that it's it's blurry. Why don't you get a
why don't you get a good picture? But we all
know we've heard it. My buddy Greg says it all
the time. He says, Man, you can take a nice

(01:07:33):
camera at the zoo and get all the pretty pictures
of the lines you want. But if I throw you
in the cage with a line, how many pictures you're
gonna get?

Speaker 8 (01:07:40):
Yep, one.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
A tooth and a tongue while it's rush. Oh man,
I'm scared to ask about this. I know what it is,
but I'm scared what it is? Well, can you tell everybody?

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Well, on the right you've got a gray and on
the left you've got a sasquatch with its eyes growing.
You can see it, yeah, and that's really cool. Is
on the one on the right. Okay, if you're able
to zoom in? Are you able to zoom in?

Speaker 6 (01:08:15):
All?

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
I can't. I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Well, everybody looked careful today. Right underneath it hin, you
can see its chest. Now if you look to the
right of it, you see its little shoulder right by
that tree, and you go straight down, you can see
a long hand wow, and the fingers. Okay, now, if
you go ahead, I'm sorry, no, I was.

Speaker 8 (01:08:39):
Just saying, Okay, yeah, I was trying to keep up
with you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Right, So if you look to the left, you'll see
the sasquatch. If you look at them with the eyes
are glowing. Right to the two eyes, you see the
nose and can you see what the mouth is doing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
It looks like the the yeah, exactly, yeah, that thing again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Okay, if you look straight down the way down, okay,
to where you see that weird two shadows, you know,
the two lines, the two dark lines. If you look
to the left of that, right above the top line,
you can actually see his big toe with a sharp
to a slightly sharp If.

Speaker 8 (01:09:21):
You guys can do man, trust I believe you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
I think you had some other uh, and I'm gonna
have to learn how to do that with this.

Speaker 8 (01:09:34):
Yeah, that's another screenshot angle of that. Let's see they're
not in order here backstage, guys, I apologize. So this
looks like a do you still impose something over the
same area?

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Okay, hold on, I'm trying to see if I can
find that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Zooming Yeah, this is different because I zoomed in when
he sent them to me, and this is the one I.

Speaker 8 (01:10:04):
Was looking for there it is. Yeah, this looks like
it an AI rendition that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Try to make an example of what we're seeing, what
we're looking at.

Speaker 8 (01:10:13):
You know what I mean, I'm gonna for the people
who are just listening, I'm gonna switch them back and
forth real quick. So, yeah, this is the AI one
of it, and then this is the actual photo. And
I mean, I don't know about you, but that looks
birdy darn similar. Big hey, let me make you big, okay. Yeah,

(01:10:38):
so if you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Look here, oh, the mouth and the nose and the
two eyes right hold on, let me fix this. Mhmm okay,
so let's see.

Speaker 8 (01:10:55):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
You can see the mouth open kind of m down
here to the bottom right there. Actually, all right right
here right there is a toe sticking out.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
When you see at the bottom of him. Yeah right,
but yeah, there's a toe sticking note right here. I
swear here.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
What was going on that night?

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Well that night, let me show you the last one.
You can see the see his long arm and chest.

Speaker 8 (01:11:37):
I just can't get over the perfect shape of like
your classic gray alien right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
The big eyes.

Speaker 8 (01:11:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
So that it was me and my mom my dad
in Benito Canyon where about ten years earlier, I got
video of a really really cool structure.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
And behind the structure I was filming it, there was
young ones popping in up and down behind the bushes
and you could hear them barking, whoop, barking, get working.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Hey, let me ask let me ask you this. Have
you ever heard you know, we said whoop?

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Have you ever had a whoop?

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Whoop?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
We I think we had a young male. Uh instead
of whoop, we heard two whoop whoops like that and
we heard a grunt like the mama was like, shut up, dude,
but they're here, you know, so you you. I'm sorry
I interrupted again, but you can when when you say
stuff that I've heard before. Yeah, I'm going to shut

(01:12:43):
my mouth and hang back, y'all. I'm excited. I'm excited.

Speaker 8 (01:12:47):
I am too. Anytimes somebody starts pulling out pictures, I'm like, oh,
let's go. I want to see all the good stuff.
So what was the story behind that? Was that the
night where your friend was seeing them coming at the
tip from where that picture was? Is it difficultly different? Okay? Interesting?

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
This is this happened six years later? Okay from that night. Okay,
So I'm gonna play some audio Okay, you've heard of
David Ellis. M Okay, so David Ellis is is, you know,
breaking down the sounds. And he sent me this one

(01:13:28):
of the clips from that night that he's you know,
he's enhanced the noises, you could say. So I'm gonna
play that for you. Okay, it's a minute long, so
you'll hear what I was hearing that night and get
I got those pictures because those noises, I would point
my camera with the night shot at wherever the noises were,
and those pictures what I got later, you know. So

(01:13:51):
here's here's the audio from that part of the from
that night.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
This was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Okay, That first part, all right, is the ten years
ago in that area with them popping their heads up
and down. That's what we're hearing. Then the next section
of the sounds you're going to hear ten years later,
and it sounds like the same individuals. It's crazy like
they didn't age or I'm not sure how they are

(01:14:28):
there they were or whatever. But yeah, here we go
pushed over. Realize that's mean.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Yeah, yeah, uh h m hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Yeah, that's what he sent me, which there's a whole
hour of audio. He just said that was one minute.

Speaker 8 (01:15:45):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
What what was his assessment of the of the audio.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Well, here I'll read you what he said. Okay, he says, Jesus,
I edited an audio file from a YouTube video going
on that I would like to talk to you about,
specifically crow talker voice and horn vocal It was interesting
how vocals changed from dog bark to something else. I
was particularly interested when you said juveniles you were interacting

(01:16:13):
with them. You also captured a power knock and response,
some whoop variations, and a trigram trigger trig gram trigram
looking forward to when we can talk. Thanks for sharing it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
So he's saying it the change in vocalation, vocalization. I
think it didn't react to your whistle. Yeah, a little
higher when you whistle.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Yeah yeah. And he recognized from other audio he's he's
listened to what she calls the crow talker, you know,
the the individual making the sounds changes animals in the
middle of it, right, their sound, and then if you listen,
one of them got excited and it sounded like a
cham right, yeah, yeah it was. And then, like I said,

(01:17:01):
that was those were the pictures I took and then
not till two years later, as in before I went
to Yakima, I was going through him again, just examining
the crap out of him again, and I realized I
had missed. I missed one that was there with a
bigfoot looking through the dang trees that I hadn't realized
was there. And so that's the picture I sent you

(01:17:25):
showing one of them looking through the trees, which is
the one that had the eyes glowing in the picture
next to the gray. In this shot, you can only
see him, but you can see his eye color. You
can see yellow eye color, his head faced, pretty much everything.
It's pretty well, I don't know what that picture came
through or not.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
Quick.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Well, let me see.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Oh, there's the one with the same thing on the
arm as.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
A Oh yeah, so that's raised almost kind of like
a brand.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
You said, Yeah, that's it's razy. You can if you
look careful, you can see their shadow right off of it.
So it's it's definitely raised. It's the same backwards uh
you know, key or a nine shape of a nine,
but it's it's on the same area right here as
in that picture of Patty, you know, and that was

(01:18:18):
this one's here. Yeah, And I have all the pictures
from the original big giant picture to the zoom in
to the zoom in, the brighton and zoom in bright
and brighton, and then you get to this this how Yeah,
there's the there it is. Yeah, that was from like
I said, that night with all the noises you just heard.
You can see its nose, its mouth, it's eye, everything,

(01:18:40):
you know, I isolated. I put a color filter and
just erased where it was, so the color everything around
it's the you know, the filter, but that's those are
its actual colors. I didn't color color eyes or anything.
It's the eye looks yellow to me.

Speaker 8 (01:18:57):
But yeah, very yeah, And that was maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
That one from the measurements, you know, I took that
one had to be like a ten footer or slightly bigger,
and it was about I would give it Maybee fifty
feet away from my camp when I took the picture,
but it was a pictures too close.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Yeah, and it doesn't look happy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
That's you know, he looks annoyed.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
He looks an Yeah, and I imagine, you know, that
would probably be what I would be looking like if
somebody was camping in my driveway if I got up
in the morning, you know, like what in the world
are y'all doing?

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Look at you think about it. Without the filter, you
don't even see it there the background. But once I
isolated it, you can start seeing.

Speaker 8 (01:19:50):
And when you isolated it's crazy. Yeah, I'm gonna flip
to this photo here, that's the same one with the keyloid.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Yeah, just a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
But you can see the forehead, the cheeks, the nose,
the mouth. Can see possibly teeth or it's the the
oil from the mouth shining on the bottom lip area.
You gause your big old football looking shoulder, the arm
right there.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Oh, you can see that there's a deltoid on the shoulder.
Is that what that is? You can is that what
it's called? It shoulder muscle. You can see like you
can see the rage the shadow of the the mus
the muscle. Yeah, the shape is supposed to be really Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
And then there's the face. Of course, I just can
showing that it looks like what possible cross lebel but
you can't see the whole bottom half of it, but
it looks like it's sitting a cross legger din me
or something. The way that maybe looks all funny.

Speaker 8 (01:20:54):
It looks like he's sitting kind of in just an
odd angle like he's got he's using the half of
his arm and his shoulder kind of hide and he's
peeked out from around it a little bit carefully.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Okay, let me see I'd come back here, all right,
So the thing is right here, right on it. Look
carefully at the elbow. You'll see that it has its
hand holding its elbow. You can see fingers. Yeah. Yeah,
So to me that would be a gesture of trying

(01:21:28):
to console itself, because it's a little bit agitated maybe,
and it's a cool you know, yeah, yep. It's hiding
in the dark shadows and it's like, man, can you
see me? I could just hear it. I couldn't see it,
but I took pictures of that where I could hear it,
and uh, after zooming in and let brighten it up there,
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Well you can think about you know, if we were
wanting to be stay hidden, you get as small as
possible and don't get anything out, you know, you keep
everything in so the silhouette is confused as somebody you know, wow,
and you've been have you been doing this lot fifteen
years or so, like in the field or do you

(01:22:11):
mean just yeah, like like going out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
And searching went out. Yeah, I would say fifteen years Rstly, what.

Speaker 8 (01:22:19):
Made you decide to want to go out and pursue
it on purpose?

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Well, I've always wanted to, but you know, until you
know what the heck you're looking for really and what
to look for, you're just camping and taking a hike
and trying to get lucky, you know. But for me,
to me, that was a waste of time. And I
decided that until I studied enough, research enough and learned
actual ways to track them and recognize things, that I

(01:22:47):
think I was even worthy to attempt to enter their domain.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
And I just called them out, you know, right, So
what did hot a native tracker?

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
Says the kind of on his chest the backwards P
means gentleman and then means he's advertising for a while.
And then Patrick asked, if you do you ever have
any like weird mind speak or any not necessarily voices,
but thoughts or anything like that while you're out there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
I had, I'd say, one what I call one official
mind speak incident. And there was one that came to
my house in the backyard, which is a desert, you know,
and something was giving off ice shine over a i'd

(01:23:43):
say eight foot tom Escape bush. You know, it was
really tall. Robert Rider had just invited me to go
out to his area, you know, kas Explorations in Madrid
of the area in New Mexico, the mountains, and I
had literally just agreed to it, and I was preparing
to leave and he had just called, you know, called

(01:24:03):
me and uh inviting me, and I told me, how,
I'm head out right now, four hour drive whatever, let's go.
You know. Look like about an hour later, as I
was preparing to leave, my little doggies. I had at
the time two Chuini's and they were just losing, losing,
just losing their minds. And I've never heard them growl before.
They didn't bark, they were but just at this moment

(01:24:26):
they wanted to kill something that was outside that that
window in the back, you know, the sliding door I
told you about. They were just it was I was like,
holy crap.

Speaker 8 (01:24:34):
I'm scared, and this ain't normal for y'all. What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Right? So I looked over, you know, over the sink
to the you know, the window facing that way, and
I saw the eye shine and then I heard a
woman's voice and said, we know you're coming like that,
and then Robert Cranter called me right after that. It
was a holy crab, bro, I don't know what's going on.
They're losing their minds out there. They're hooting and I

(01:25:00):
haven't heard one peep in over three weeks, and they're
like celebrating something.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
Yeah, m.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
That's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Then you know that's see, we know so little, but
I think I think this is the tip of the
iceberg on People always ask what do you think they are?
I have no idea. I mean, I could tell you

(01:25:32):
what I might think, but also I may I feel
like there's few different types maybe and and and if
you it's it's it's good to hear that in different
regions they act similar for the most part. You know,
something with its own mind is going to act whatever

(01:25:55):
it does, whatever it wants to do. But some of
these patterns, some of these uh reactions to different things,
you know, the structures, the screams, the changing of the vocalizations,
and the reaction to your whistle. I like stuff like that.
It was doing something and when you whistled it, it
got excited, like and you know, so I love stuff

(01:26:20):
like that. So yeah, oh, man and man, he could
we could get into his uh ufo stuff. Uh, y'all
go watch Flash of Beauty because the Biggeld story is
mind blowing, you know. And yeah, and like getting a
call just out of the blue thinking you're being punked

(01:26:42):
and you know you followed up and figured out it
wasn't and that, you know, it makes me think, which
I'm sure other people thought, well, you're just just speculating it,
throwing it out there. Your dad's in the military, maybe
you some somebody's keeping an eye on you, eeping tabs
on you, and they know more about you than you

(01:27:02):
do at that point, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
So imagine if you're you're you know, you're the military,
and you have somebody that's stationed on your base and
there's a constant reach of airspace because the freaking unifold
keeps on going over the base to a certain house
that we're over and over. They're gonna they're gonna know this,
and they're like, oh, let's just wait, Yeah we can

(01:27:25):
get you know. Yeah, no matter where I lived, whatever
state or base or anything, something was always happening.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
That's that's that's really incredible. Actually, because you lived overseas
at military bases, and I I grew up. I grew
up in a haunted house, and then we moved to
a place where I found out later that a lady
that lived there as a little girl, her parents got

(01:27:55):
abducted and she got abducted, and then we met. She
lives in a different part of the state now, but
she was telling me about that, and y'all, there's a
memory that I can't quite get. I know, something happened
in that house to me while one night while I
was sleeping. I'm not gonna say, don't go say Rogers
said he got abducted, but from the strange stuff that

(01:28:17):
she said, and now I'm like, it's like it wants
to recall, but it won't. And I remember my mama's
saying something about seeing a big, brown, hairy thing and
I was like seven. It was the year Elvis passed away.
So that's how old I am.

Speaker 8 (01:28:37):
And interesting way to remember what year it is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Exactly, I mean, you know, I mean, yes, right, I
mean whatever, I was born in seventy one and whatever
year he passed away, that's what year it was. Bigfoot
has left the building, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:28:58):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
I'm not trying to remember it. It just keeps trying
to come back, and I think I'm pushing it away
because when she told me that story, and they went
years having stuff happened there, I don't I think if
she never had told me the story, I may not
have ever almost recalled. So I'm scared someday it might

(01:29:20):
just come flooding in, and I don't want it to
because she told stories of her mom floating out the
door and then coming back, and then her her getting
put on board and being tested and stuff like that,
So that's terrifying. I mean, you know, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
See a lot of crazy stuff with video and stuff,
but when you've got these guys coming in your room
and taking you and taking you away for days at
a time and whatnot and doing all kinds of weird
stuff with you, it got to a point where it
got too intense for me and for me to be say,
it's too intense, Okay, yeah, do bad. And I actually

(01:30:04):
I literally had to tell them I don't want to
remember anymore because they were letting me remember too much
to where it was really upsetting me and uh, really
freaking just freaking out bad. And I told him, I
I don't y'all come get me, do whatever, entertaining, do whatever.
But I don't want to remember anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
I can't knock me out.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
Yeah I can once once you drop me off, just
do that whole flashy thing. And that's sure there is
anything they stop remembering those visitations, but I would see
the UFOs coming and going and stuff like that. But
the in between part, no, you know, no more until

(01:30:51):
you know they literally they're listening. Man, trust me that
the ones that have been touched, it's like they have
a built in little colm. You know, even you know
you hear me, hear me when ghosts and other things,
they can sense it. You know, it's it's a Santa
Claus thing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
You know, he knows you know well, I mean, you
know and y'all, I know people listening on Spotify tomorrow
be like, what what are they talking about? But y'all
telling you. The more you dig into this, uh and
you find people like us that have had now, he's
had more happen than I have. I'll go ahead and
say that. But I've got just enough taste of it.

(01:31:29):
And I feel like I've been shown things and layers
saw wood and freak all the way out. And you
know when when clan Ken here, he's my he's my
We found out we have a relative and common way
down the line, so I call him Cuz. But he's

(01:31:49):
welcome in Ken. Glad to see you, buddy, it's I'm
glad that you had made the decision to to share
because the one thing we don't realize a lot of times,
there might be ten people in here like, man, they're
badshit crazy. Then there might be five people in here

(01:32:10):
like we're helping.

Speaker 8 (01:32:13):
Or even just one or just.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Yep, and and supposed to Oh god, you just opened
up a can of worms. You Nothing happens by accident. Everything.
I believe everything happens when it's supposed to. It might
be not on your time to what you think it
is should be, but just like you getting that acting job,

(01:32:41):
how it happens. Uh, it was like everything was falling
into place. Then there's weird uh synchronicities as a word
of a Manda likes to use and Ashley likes to
use when she's on here of you know, yeah, like
a director or whatever, a douce or whatever that was
had made the movie or help make the movie. Uh

(01:33:06):
uh Close Encounters of the Third kind. Yeah, you're living
there now, and that person was involved in helping you
get the job, if I remember correctly. So it's not
it's and and you asked for that, right, just blindly
asked for it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
And well I should have said, you know that, I
gotta have the world listen to what I have to say.
The only way to me it make would make sense
is if I'm on TV and movies and radio and
all these different avenues of technology that society listens to
versus me, you know, putting out a flyer saying I'll

(01:33:44):
be at the local coffee bean shop talking about utfolds
in the Bible. I tried here's and nobody cared for.
But yeah, you know it is very very he said, coincidental.
But if you guys get a chance. There is a book,

(01:34:04):
okay by doctor Daniel Frye, all right, and it's called
Two Men of Earth, a Letter to Men of Earth,
and he actually worked here on the missile range and
talks about those happenings that later became the movie, you know,

(01:34:28):
so it's like being documented. Nobody really noticed or said anything,
I guess, but yeah, that that book was at our
library here and I was like, oh, you know, as
I read it, and yeah, there's it's all. It's all
happened for a reason. I asked them to make it happen.
And whoever it was that lined it up, you know,

(01:34:51):
that little low lady Cherry Roots that you know, was
the casting director. As soon as you know, she realized
that my name was actually Jesus ever, she threw her
arms up and looked at this guy and said, this
is a den inter bench from Paris, Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Oh lord.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
So yeah, literally, it's like, come on, you know what
I mean. The twenty eight days before that, I had
just threw in the request, you know. And if anybody
knows chasing an acting gig to become an actor, that's
not normal.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
If the business is anything like the country music business here,
it's cutthroat. I mean, you have to know somebody that
knows somebody that didn't make somebody mad in nineteen sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
It's it's like you can have talented people, but there
has to be that path opened up.

Speaker 6 (01:35:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
We see that a lot around here. But yeah, I
got a fan theory, which is stupid. But I told
him before. Uh he played Gonzo and Breaking Bad and
I I didn't watch it the whole time. And then
I binged it and I didn't know who he was,
of course, and but I saw I saw Gonzo being

(01:36:10):
big and bad, mean, being mean to poor old Walter,
and uh, I'm looking at that necklace and I'm like, wait,
the Gonzo killed don Toretta. That's how bad that's that's just.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Stole his car too, which one well, if you watch
Better Call Saul in the first two episodes, you'll see
the car in the background.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
Okay, check that out. Okay, I'll check that out. Hey,
I'm a mopar guy, like you know, like you so, man,
when I saw that magnumum on Facebook, I'm like, heck, yeah,
this is But man, there's so there's so many ways
we could go. But there's one thing that stood out.
I sometimes I pick up on little details and we

(01:36:53):
talk about synchronicities, and we talk about uh, things happening
by accident, which you know, we don't believe that anymore.
When you were a kid, there was a book in
your house that you saw mm hmm. You know, how
did that book get there? Why was that book there
for Jesus to pick up and start reading? You know,
That's where my mind goes it's there. Can you tell

(01:37:15):
tell everybody what what book that was?

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
It was Arthur.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Mysterious World. It was on our coffee table. It was
my mom's. I'm guessing my dad never was really into
all the strange stuff, but entertained entertained us and took
us to go home for Nassi Lockedness Monster. You know. Yeah, yeah,
that book was there, and that was the first time

(01:37:40):
I ever saw anything about a Bigfoot or UFO.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
Yeah, was that the one that had a little bit
about Bigfoot, a little bit about Nasty, a little bit
about in the Bermuda Triangle and all that. I checked
that out in the library when I was in I
forget what great it was.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
It was really early, but that was the only thing
I had there. There was nothing out in the country here.
We grew up poor. I mean, we didn't have anything. So,
you know, we might have seen the Patty film back then,
maybe probably pre Stabilization by MK and you know, but

(01:38:23):
I remember feeling different, but no way to explain it,
and of course nobody to talk to.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
So MK Davis, let me say something about that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
Guy, all right, he's hey, MK. Col uh, He's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
That's where I got the picture of Patty's arm because
I was like, MK, he knows every inter that damn
film nothing right.

Speaker 8 (01:38:50):
Now, Pixel he's got the memorized.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
He was too much about that video. Yeah, but he
tells Patty had him amaroids.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
I'm like, whoa, yep, So he hadn't noticed the arm
that that scar. I actually got to show him something
that he didn't realize was there, and I showed him
you know, my my, my figh squatch picture two of
the arm right. Yeah. We also worked on the face
of Patty. She has an injury right here on her face.

(01:39:23):
It looks like stitching and bandage. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
That's well, that's what I'm saying. If if you look
at something long enough and stepping back and he let
other people and like you said, your experience, you know,
you probably locked onto that right away. Like whoa wait
a minute, what is this? I wouldn't have known to
look for that, you know, m K. Probably Yeah. Forbidden Planet,

(01:39:48):
we did an interview with m K on the other
Squatch and Holler channel and it was like three hours long.
Is that on the lip right across the.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Lips there and then zoom a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Mm hm. You know it's gotta be tough living out
in the out there were tighteronymous.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
But yeah, so yeah, I showed that to the m
K two and uh yeah, he said that he had noticed.
Didn't really, I haven't answered a whole bunch, you know,
because in the original picture you can't it's hard to
see that this is what everybody is used to seeing
at best usually is this period. Yeah kind of said,

(01:40:40):
you know, bright, but it looks better on my home phone.
But yeah, that's what they're used to. And I was
able to darken all the bright ass parts and banda
just started showing. And I took the picture to a surgeon,
two different surgeons, and just showed him the mouth there.
I didn't show them that it was foot. I just said,

(01:41:01):
you know, what kind of bandaging is this? What do
you think happened to this person? And they said, yeah,
that's looks looks like a field dressing, you know, somebody
that knows surgery, though somebody knows how to you know.
So skin said, yeah, that it looks like a major
facial trauma. And the way it was sewed up right here.
It even had a little bridge called a bridge with

(01:41:23):
the the tray of going between like this. So the
mouth could still open up a little bit and still
drink and eat. And that's why when you look at
her face it looks like she's going then you can't
see nothing, and then over her you can see teeth
because it's sewn together.

Speaker 8 (01:41:42):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
Pretty cool to be able to show M. K. Davis,
you know something that you know he hadn't seen before
I was. I checked this exactly exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:41:50):
It reminds me a little bit of somebody who was
born with like a cleft lip or something like that,
the scar that they would have for that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
And you know, for somebody that's just listening hadn't checked
out a lot of bigfoot stuff. They're like, what bigfoot surgery?
And look, y'all, you have stories down through the ages
of Native American tribes, other people trading with bigfoot, living
with bigfoot, uh, working together, whether you call it sasquatch,

(01:42:24):
whatever you want to call them. And they have thumbs,
so it ain't like, you know, it ain't like a
cow's out there and you think, oh, well, you know
it's impossible if it's got something has thumbs and opposable
thumbs and hands and fingers and a brain and they're
they're not exactly like us, but they're made up very

(01:42:46):
very similar humans. We have a very good habit of
thinking we're the smartest ape in the canyon. Right, A
lot of times that's not true. Uh, they look, you
look back at some of the things in history. I

(01:43:07):
just talked to my buddy today. They're like, I was like,
you know, it's funny. You have these people that say, oh,
we're the most advanced society blah blah blah. Well how
did they build this? Uh, you know, fifteen hundred years ago?
I don't know. Well, then you're not the most advanced.
It's you know, that just proves it right there. And
we keep having to relearn history. And we could get

(01:43:32):
into another area of who's hiding it? Why are they
hiding it? You know, you can go down that rabbit hole,
which I think it's all tied together. I don't know how.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
From what you did. Is this something that I like
to mention the people. Okay, So imagine you're a Sasquatch
and you come from a Sasquatch family, and all your
information may be genetically stored, you know, from all your
your history from forefathers on, or it's been passed down
orally you all know your history of your family, Okay,

(01:44:06):
because they have tried all that stuff. So imagine if
you've got to be a group of individuals that has
gotten to spend thousands of years watching listening to us,
the hairless ones sort of see our civilizations rise and fall,

(01:44:31):
rise and fall, right, yeah, all rise and fall, and
towards the point where they know exactly how we act.
They know that if they start randomly killing people, there's
going to be a bunch of us with pitchforks. You know,
we keep on forgetting. We are just barely being let

(01:44:52):
allowed to remember this much of our technology and true histories.
When you've got the Sasquatch did have gotten to watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
All exactly and watch the mistakes. Now on another a
good another good point. Talk to somebody today. We were
just kind of throwing that back and forth, and just
what you said. So if I'm if I'm an alpha
Sasquatch and I've got a family, and then cousin lives over,

(01:45:19):
you know, in the two hollers over, and then you know,
and what if, let's just forgiggles, let's say a dog
man comes in and he starts killing sheep. First starts
killing threatening in people. It's in the Sasquatch the best
interest to take that dude out because of just what
you said. The wolves got wiped out because of the codies.

(01:45:40):
They got blamed for what the codies did when they
crossed over here. And so, without getting too far into it,
you're right. If I can find it in nature, if
I can find it in history in the past that happened,
why not why can't it happen again with another group?
So I some people believe that they're protectors, which I'm

(01:46:03):
starting to believe that a little bit. I know people
that have them close to their homes, and they talk
about when they come through, the female is closer to
the home, the little ones in the middle, and the
alpha's up higher we can see, but he's close enough
to take care of business if he needs to, you know.

(01:46:23):
So that's by the tracks that's happened, uh, season after
season after season, you know. And it's not just like
somebody's coming up off top of their head. This guy
I'm talking about one of the best researchers. He's not
well known, but how many times are Bigfoot laugh at
Roger making mistakes? Yeah, Wendell, you're right. I mean, I've

(01:46:46):
messed up more evidence than I've accumulated. I've got it,
you know, took it with me. So but anyway, we're
coming up one Iron forty six. I know, I don't
want keep you too long. I'm the type of person
could talk for hours and hours. Is there anything that
you want to advertise or throw out there or you know?

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
All right, if you guys haven't seen the Flash of
Beauty interview, I did, go watch you definitely. If you
want to see more in depth evidence than what we
got your show tonight, go to my Breaking Bigfoot channel
and there's a good I don't know, fifty sixty seventy
videos on there of what I do and what I've seen.

(01:47:30):
It's more to come. I got Facebook Breaking Bigfoot group.
Not there too much, not too many people in there,
more YouTube oriented, I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
So you have a Breaking Bigfoot Facebook page.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Yeah, there's a Breaking Bigfoot group, so feel free to
join you find it. You know, I have a.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
You're going to get quite a few request here in
the next couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
So good deal. Good deal. So we you know things
that you know you like to read or like Breaking
bad or anything like that on Amazon I have a
book I wrote called Baking Bad. You're Breaking Bad memor
and cookbook put together because I lost two hundred pounds
when me and my wife put together a whole No,

(01:48:23):
the whole book's not recipes, just a small section. Yeah,
we've put together about I don't know, seventy keto recipes too.
You can diet and still youat all the good sweet
you know, sweet tastes and yummy yummies. Uh that you
want you to lose weight, and you can't give up
them sugars.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
Brother, I've been there Amazon baking Amazon bacon. But that's
pretty cool. I was almost four hundred pounds at one
point and almost dead and started I just got a
joke one day. I'm like, you're killing yourself with a
spoon and fork, you know. And I started eating clean

(01:49:01):
as it possible and not doing the sugar, you know,
the the refined sugars and all that. So congratulations. Uh,
that's that's a hard that's a hard thing. It's a
heck of accomplishment.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
It was right after I found those those footprints, you know,
the little Cassie you saw, and I had just filmed
uh two guns, and I literally was there almost died.
All my organs were shutting down, and I got myself
with the room and collapse. There have tons room. They said,

(01:49:32):
I don't know what's happening. I was, I was upset.

Speaker 8 (01:49:35):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
Yeah, that's why I found out I had diabetes. Fifty pounds.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
That's a heck of a motivation. Uh yeah, we could.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
I remember laying there with my chest hurting and thinking,
this is it. Next beat is gonna be it. So
then you get to thinking about your family and all that,
and you you, you know, you do what you gotta do.
No diabetes, that's sh We kind of pronounce it right,
beat us beat us?

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
Uh no?

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
The yeah? Yeah? And another thing, y'all go to I
m dB. I think, you know, google his name and
what it's fun. It's it's fun to see.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
I was watching I was watching Gamer I think the
other day. And then uh, I'm really good with faces,
I'm bad with names. So but uh does uh I
can't remember I watched the movie? But does uh Steven
Sagall beat you up too bad?

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
Oh? And that one that's Gerard Butler. I died like
five different times in that movie.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
Okay, Oh they come back right?

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
Yeah, Steven movies. I did three of them. There was
a Force of Execution, Urban Justice, and I can't remember
the third one, but yeah, I always die and give
you a differ, kim let me you know. And then
it was it maybe the Reunion and I fought John
Cena and his his little brother was giving my woman

(01:51:04):
the I even though she wor clubs and joby.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
Well, we wish you all the love. And you know, hey,
if you if you got you get a finished project,
let me let me know. We'll tell everybody to check
you out.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
We need another episode?

Speaker 3 (01:51:24):
Which one? Which one you pick?

Speaker 8 (01:51:28):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
I heard either, Hey I Breaking Bad?

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
You know, I tweeted up do one of those? And
one of those I tweeted up.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
I'm bad about tweeting, but try and think I'm funny.

Speaker 8 (01:51:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
I tweeted out to David Spade one time, Hey, you
need another Joe Dirt. I'm gonna be the half brother
bow dirt and drive my mopark a lot of people. Yeah,
but anyway, yeah, oh, look y'all off. Yeah, that's exactly right.
I will say one thing about that Breaking Bad was

(01:52:01):
the work of artists a TV series. It was masterfully done.
If you paid attention to the colors of his shirt.
What was going on? It's almost far as gumpish the
way he accidentally became Heisenberg, right, you know, it's like
and I think the best part about that, besides Gonto,

(01:52:24):
was one week I told them earlier you want to
choke Walter's character. The next week you wanted to hug
him and get console him. And then the next week
you're like, I can't believe I wanted you to be
okay because it was such a roller coaster.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
That you love to hit him, kind of like you
love to hit him.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
Yeah, yep, exactly. And hey, and he had a he
had a They did a great job of you know,
if y'all one of the funny things. I feel sorry
for the people that on the house where the pizza
was thrown up on the roof. You know, they have
trouble with people doing that all the time. So but anyway,
thank you, mister Jesus. Nice to meet you, sir.

Speaker 8 (01:53:08):
Yes, it's very nice to beat you. Nice talking with
you and sharing your Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:53:14):
Yes, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute,
a minute, what hold on? I need him I need
him to wait, I need him to wave again. A
way for me. Wait for me. Oh that's the only
chance I'll get to use that in a right way.

Speaker 8 (01:53:35):
So happening chat.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Figure everybody that's in the chat. I appreciate you guys.
And uh yeah, I can't wait till next time. Let's
let's do something, hey.

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
Exactly, Uh send some send some cast to the Beef
Museum in Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
There, right, yeah, I just gotta you know, Michael Freeman right,
oh yeah, Paul's son last and my son. Give me
a whole collection of all his casts.

Speaker 8 (01:54:10):
That's all I know. I've been wanting to get one
of the copies of his cast. I want the oh
there he goes that that video. I want the cast
from the video. That would be one of my dream ones.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
I've got all that stuff. Yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
If you ever go to a conference in East Tennessee
or Georgia or whatever, hit me up. Let me know.
I'll drive over and would you say hi or whatever,
get a couple of pictures and we'll support you. We'll
support you.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
Will you let me know about that museum. I want
to go visit it. You know something, let's do something
with it. I'm down, let's figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
I like when I watched the Flash of Beauty thing,
I'm like, man, he's got to send you humor. Were
gonna fit in good? All right, thank you sir, have
a good night. This is our Southern forty five minute
good bye as usual, So y'all be good, take care.
Uh huh

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
M hm