Squatchin' Holler #6 Bigfoot: Beyond Flesh and Blood with Spencer Jamison

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Squatching Holler.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
In the midst where the trees lean loom.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
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fained out.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Every shadows got a secret to grow?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Monsters rise? Where the stories are told?

Speaker 5 (00:47):
Squatching Hollow where the legends are born?

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Are they? Are they gone? Who can say? In the
hollow of the True just slips way, huge footprints fade

(01:18):
where the creek runs than a lantern sways. Let the
search beak, rustling leaves, but there's no one near. Is
it the wind or the beast? You fear? Everywhere goes
a question. Every Russell's a clue. Squatching Holly's got its
eyes on you. Monsters those the stories are torn?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Swatching How where the legends are born?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Are they? Are they called? Who can say? You are
the true? Not say?

Speaker 5 (01:59):
And now with your Squatching Holler Hosts Roger Williams, Amanda Stowers,
and Ashley Rams. Remember this podcast can be downloaded everywhere
great podcasts are found. And now the show.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Hello, Hello everybody, Amanda, could be better, could be worse?
What a week? Yes, sir, seems like every day has
been something and we're not going to get into a
lot of that. But what we're going to do. You
tell them your idea and we'll go get that started
off the bat here.

Speaker 6 (02:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:45):
So, as many of y'all know, us being live today
today is the anniversary of nine to eleven, on top
of a whole lot of other really heavy things that
have been happening in the world here in the last
week or so. So it just was put on my
heart today to me just share just a small moment

(03:08):
of silence with everybody, everybody here in the chat and
on the show. So if y'all don't care, we're just
gonna I don't have a hat to tip, but uh,
we'll tip.

Speaker 6 (03:23):
Our hats there.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
Roger, let you show up your hair, but yes, let's
we'll Thet'll take a moment, a quick moment of silence
just to honor those who gave gave the most to
that day, right.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
All right, and everybody that, uh, we got some bad
news today from the big Foot world. Yes you know that.
That was a shock. And I sent Amanda and Ashley
the message and they hadn't heard yet. And then Amanda
starts telling us about when doctor Meldrim came to the

(04:17):
to the museum and she's got some really cool stories.
And you know, when I lost my dad and went
through all that, it helps to tell stories, good stories,
you know, about the people. And so you've got some
great memories. Yeah, about doctor Meldrim. If you want to
get into that, we'll show a few pictures and then

(04:37):
then we'll get to our guests. He's waiting backstage, but Spencer,
he don't care.

Speaker 7 (04:41):
Yeah. So see I, like I said, we got the
the sad news of doctor Meldrim's passing from his family
earlier today.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
And like many.

Speaker 7 (04:54):
Here, I got the chance to meet doctor Meldrim whenever
he came to the museum. Uh this is back in
July of twenty nineteen when he came there and I
had been busy the whole two days that he was there.
I got to help him with his presentations and you know,

(05:17):
run some of the backstage stuff very similar to what
I do here.

Speaker 6 (05:21):
And so these.

Speaker 7 (05:22):
Are just a few pictures of some of the stuff
that from when he was there, his table set up
and him talking to the kids. That was one of
my biggest things that I remember, getting to meet him,
because you know, you meet because I say, meet your heroes,
you know, meeting him actually was truly meeting somebody special.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
Hey, not only you know, did I get to.

Speaker 7 (05:46):
Meet somebody that I grew up not idolizing what was
but you know, like, you know, a larger than life
character per se from you know, seeing him on TV
and document documentaries and everything like that. But I got
to just meet him, you know, got to know who
Jeff was just as an individual, you know, he was.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
He was a character.

Speaker 7 (06:08):
He was so smart, Oh my gosh, was he's so smart.
He you know, he was just a He was a professor,
you know, that was what he was meant to do
in life, the way he talked, the way he worded
things and everything. And I was going to pull up
one of the pictures of his book, but I didn't
get it put up on here for you guys.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
So in his memory tonight, I'm going to share. I'm
actually an other ear.

Speaker 7 (06:37):
I have on the ear rings that he gave me
whenever I got to meet him. And I'm really sad
that you can see that one of them is broken.
It just I literally wore them out. I loved because
they were an anatomically correct Patty from the Patterson Gimblin
film as you can see it's very obviously female, has

(07:00):
the arms swing exactly right, not like the you know
walk like an Egyptian walk, and you know you have
the mid tarsel break there and something as small as
an ear ring. So I just I was so fascinated
with those, and I was going to buy them from him,
and he wouldn't take no for an answer per se,
and he just gave them to me. So I always

(07:22):
kind of had that little thing when people would come in,
it's like, oh, we love your earrings. Thanks, like, oh thanks,
doctor Meltram gave them to me, and they're like, oh
my god for the people who So it was just
kind of one of those little things.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
What's cool about you know him. I remember starting to
watch things about Bigfoot and he was one of the
first people I remember having a background that he was
taking a risk even talking about the subject, and I
appreciated that. And you know, sometimes you forget how how

(07:59):
important people could be, you know, to advance it on
to the next level. And then then and we're sadly reminded,
like who who's going to carry the torch? You know,
so who's gonna you know take his place? Probably nobody, but.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
Well, he took over the mantle from doctor Bender Nagel
and doctor Grover Krantz before him. So there there'll be
somebody else, right for sure.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
All Right. So yeah, I'm glad that everybody's here. I'm
glad to talk to get to talk to individuals because
some of us have been talking on the phone and
stuff about this past week and just to get together
like on the porch, so to speak, and have a discussion. Uh, y'all.
Spencer Jamison, I met him by accident, and uh we've

(08:48):
become like brothers, and so it's he's one of those people.
He does the research. He does multiple types of research,
boots on the ground, Uh, you know, any type you
can think of. And if I have something I need
to run by him. He's not scared to tell me,
you know, no, that's that's bull crap or whatever. And

(09:09):
then I'm comfortable enough to say, well, I don't think
it's bull crap. So you know, you need people to
keep you grounded, and I think that's what we kind
of do. Uh. So let's uh see if this thing
works works and we can bring him in here. There
he is, mister Spencer.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
The applause thing.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, I had to I was like, when am I
gonna get the chance? Stuff? But uh, this is what missed.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
But of course, well, thank you, glad to be here,
thank you for having me on Roger. Uh, proud to
be here. Uh. Before we get going, though, I do
want to say I thought the moment of silence and
acknowledgment of today's date and talking about doctor Meldrum very

(10:05):
very good of y'all, and I wish more people would
give that human aspect to it. Not everything has to
be about Bigfoot. Not Bigfoot. Maybe the subject that has
brought us together and that connects a lot of us,
but not everything. We're all human beings and this week

(10:26):
has been a long week for a lot of reasons,
and stuff is just getting crazier. And I think the
more that you show the human side of you, I
think the better it comes across. So kudos to you
for for doing that. I appreciated it.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, well, you're very welcome theirs the credit for that.
So that was our idea.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Of course she does. I knew it, wouldn't you, But.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
Anyway, somebody has, somebody has to keep it, keep it.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Really so the people that came along with us, that
started with Woodwalkers and came to Squatch and holler, y'all
know our relationship.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
The people that don't know that will be listening to
this later, the new people here on Untold. Like I said,
we kind of met by accident. I was in the
in their comments one on one show, and I was
having fun laughing because everybody was just like so relaxed,
and I'm like, man, these are like my family, and

(11:25):
little did I know, you know, a couple of years later,
here we are. We talk all the time, and we've
been out to the same places, the meet and greets
and and Spencer. What what I've I've been impressed by
Spencer is like a lot of people will get into
this and they'll get headfirst into Bigfoot, and they'll have

(11:47):
their mindset of how it is, how it you know,
They'll they'll read books, they'll do this or whatever, but
they won't entertain other ideas or other possibilities. Spencer, I
was so proud of him. He will do that, and
he has done that, and to watch his progression has

(12:07):
helped me and he laughs. But it's really there's not
a lot of people that will do that. If you
if you they start out a certain way. They they
will not change their ideas. So that's that's what I
like about him, and and then that just bleeds over
to the rest of us. But I know when you

(12:27):
started out this, you kind of accidentally found bigfoot as
far as like on YouTube, But the breakdown of the
Patty film was so impressive that it hooked you in
kind of you tell them about that a little bit.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, it's not that I wasn't open to the idea.
It is just like a lot of other people. You
will hear a lot of people doing what we do
in the bigfoot world, have done for years now. You
come in contact with a lot of people that are
like bs. I've hunted my whole life, and if there

(13:06):
was something out there, I would have seen it. I
I didn't have that harsh of an opinion about the
subject because I really didn't have an opinion about the subject.

Speaker 8 (13:20):
I thought maybe it was possible, But I've always been
kind of open minded to all of that kind of stuff,
but I had no experience in it.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
And I come from a background where I mean I
grew up literally camping every weekend with my grandparents that
raised me. I grew up camping with them every weekend.
And then you know, in my teenage years, did a
lot of backpacking and all that kind of stuff we

(13:55):
always fished with, got into hunting in in my eighteenage
years and everything, and then I literally have been to
taken and taught wilderness survival for years and years, and
I've just spent a lot of time in the woods.
I'm not saying I'm an expert or anything, but when

(14:18):
I saw the mk Davis breakdown, which was completely a fluke,
Like it was completely a fluke that I even saw
that video. My kids were we homeschooled our kids ever
since they were little, and they had been watching YouTube
and it was still playing in the background, and I

(14:40):
think we were right at the end. Now I just
turned around and caught the PG film and it was
the MK Davis breakdown of it, and was the one
where he was talking about the scapula and for pezius
muscles moving and it was talking about the hematoba on
the thigh whenever it stepped it would bulge up. I'm

(15:02):
not brilliant or anything, but whenever I saw it, I
was like, man, knowing what little bit I know about anatomy,
I mean that it makes sense. It looks accurate to me,
And then I didn't think about it again until the
next day. And the next day homes going and YouTube
was doing that thing where if you just let it

(15:24):
go and the video ends, it'll start putting up random videos.
And I guess because that when I played the day before,
at some point a Bigfoot Outlaw video came up, and
I got little kids running around, and I remember hearing
in the background, what in the hell is that is?
From the intro of the big Foot Outlaws, And I

(15:46):
jerked around, like, what's that on TV? Foot Outlaws, which
I had never heard of before? And then I watched that,
and then it was kind of sitting in the back
of my head, and I started watching a few more,
and for the first for the first month or so,
I remember very much going there ain't no damn way

(16:07):
there way. And then it was getting close to hunting
season and I was going out anyway to set up
my stand, and me and the guy I worked for
we were putting out of food crops and everything, so
we were tending to those. And I was out there
one day and I was putting the salt block and

(16:29):
it was a mineral block, and I started walking around
through the woods. I found some stuff that might have
possibly been what they were talking about as far as structure,
and I remember staying, they're going there, just ain't no way,
and I don't know. A few months went by and
I'm going out in the woods more and more looking

(16:50):
into it, and as much as I might have found
it in those early months, I still didn't believe it
until super lucky. I got super lucky, Like Greg says
about getting lucky and getting involved with the right people,
I hit the jackpot and I got invited to a

(17:10):
big Foot Outlaws O. That was my very first thing,
and back then they were Bigfoot Royalty, and I got
to go out and meet a bunch of people that
knew then and still know now way more than I
ever will. And they showed me a lot of stuff,
and I got creeped out at a graveyard and I

(17:32):
thought people were messing with me and they weren't. And
I got to hear vocals and had a bunch of
trees pushed over, and we had stuff thrown at us
and just all kinds of stuff. And whenever I left
from that, I was like, Okay, these they're real.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
And when you're talking about vocals.

Speaker 7 (17:52):
I'm assuming you're talking about bigfoot vocals and not like
ghosts in the graveyard talking to you.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, Now, there was no there was no goat stuff
with that. With that particular thing, it was it was boogers.
They were screaming, but that they weren't. The screaming happened
before the graveyard. At the graveyard. Uh, the graveyard is
one of the creepiest things that I've ever experienced. But
that's a whole different story. Uh, but yeah, they did.

(18:18):
They did calls and we got we got replied vocals
from a ways away. But even that, being my first
time hearing it in person, you just something inside of
you just instantly went, that's not normal. That's that's that's

(18:38):
not indigenous animal, that's not normal. And I was I
was just wow. And I've been hooked ever since.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
If in my experience what little I've done. If you
if you hear something, you know what was that? Usually
it's probably but when you hear something that's for sure
a booger, it's you know it, you feel you know
it's something inside you that.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
Just there's a response to it.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
You can definitely hits that something in your sixth sense
somewhere that definitely tells you either fight or flight, or
at least that does mean Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Well, I mean, I mean just the not only the
volume of it and the length of it. But it's
a but I say on my show all the time.
Audio doesn't do it justice if you If you listen
to stuff on YouTube channels and they play like Bigfoot calls,
that's great to kind of familiarize yourself with what they

(19:38):
sound like, but that that does not hold a candle
to what it's like in real life. And it's just
whenever you hear that, you everybody. I mean, I've been around,
I've been around plenty of people the first time that
they experienced. One of my good friends, Bama, you won't
mind me saying this.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I was thinking exactly that he was standing.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
Right beside me the first time he heard one. And
I have a recorder going because I'm trying to capture
it because I want to look at it on the spectrograph.
Whenever I started out, I ran everything through the spectrograph.
But that's just how I was brought up in the
big foot world. But Bama's standing right beside me, and

(20:21):
he used several explitives which he doesn't normally, which he
doesn't normally do, and he's going, what the is that?
What is that? What is that? He thought we were
messing with him, right, And I'm telling him, you can
hear me on the recording, going I'm trying to record this.
He's like, but what the h is?

Speaker 3 (20:40):
It? Is?

Speaker 6 (20:40):
Like he said, a visceral reaction.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
It's right, And I have been guilty of the same
thing and not even realize it until I showed the
video to somebody and the Heather gets on to me,
you gotta quit cussing. I didn't even know what it was.
But so what's funny about that tape? And yeah, you
can probably hear it on us Beast or Woodwalker's probably
in some of the episodes. Uh, what you can hear

(21:05):
when you listen to that audio. It's not Okay, we're
hearing a booger or whatever. It's the reaction of the people.
It's so real. Because Bama, you know, former police officer
in Nashville. I'm sure he doesn't get scared easily with
his experience, but something that scares him should be scaring you,
you know, And and I love Bama. He's uh he

(21:31):
he's uh, you got to have different uh, people with
different talents, and and if it's just one little thing,
you know, whether it's somebody observes things or they can
hear pitch perfect and tell you what some animal is
or is not, uh, you know. But yeah, and I
got made fun of. Spencer got me. We had I

(21:51):
had the phone going and we got some really loud
house but he's right, you know, it's about one hundred
yards away it it, but it hit us. I mean,
it's it's crazy loud. But the audio since Spencer, he's like,
you use the phone like you gotta get a recorder
because it just doesn't do it justice at all. And
we keep saying that. But y'all, if you ever get

(22:13):
lucky enough to hear one, you're not gonna have to
turn to somebody and say, is that a cody? Is
that a wolf? It's it's not so and you'll be
able to tell it. But so, I know, I was
kind of surprised. I was going through doing some research.
I had a guest coming on when I first started this,

(22:34):
and y'all know, they keep forgetting that I came along late.
They assume I know all these people. And so Spencer
was on one of the documentaries y'all were in the
LBL snow out for a few days. That was several
years ago, and I watched that. I don't even know
if I don't remember if I even told you that

(22:55):
I watched it, but I was impressed by the by
dedication of just going, you know, backpacks and heading out,
and then then we get to go with y'all, And
it's what can you tell people at the LBL. I mean,

(23:15):
I know y'all found that trackway y'all found that you
won't take credit for was amazing to me. But but
I'll let you talk.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Uh, well, I found a possible trackway, but that's not
to be confused with the with the noble read trackway
that they found. I was not there for that. I
had been there the weekend previous to that, and in fact,
just like three days before that, it was me, Anthony

(23:47):
and Larry Porch. We camped out there privately and we
did not have anything happen. And then that weekend, which
was a Halloween weekend, and I got little kids, so
I had to come home because they wanted to go
or treating on Halloween. My wife's birthday is November first,
so there was no way I could stay for that,
you know, I'd have gotten murdered. But they found they

(24:10):
found a super impressive trackway. Speaking of Bama, because Bama
was law enforcement for such a long time, whenever they
found it, Bama was one of the first ones to
go over there and kind of keep everybody back so
he could lay eyes on it and kind of kind
of forensically evaluate it before other people got in there.

(24:33):
And then they made a bunch of cash. And ironically
the very next year, Uh, myself and Debbie Jones and
Shelley Reid, and there was another person there with us,
but I can't remember goop. In the same area we
found another trackway, but at this time it was mostly

(24:54):
baby tracks. They were like seven inches long, but they
were about two inches deep. And then there was then
there was some grown up tracks, but no, I found
a separate one at one of the meet and greets
at LBL And.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
Uh, welln't mean, yeah, did that trackway happen to be
anywhere near the same spot where Roger you found yours
or where the Noble tracks was found?

Speaker 4 (25:24):
It was definitely it was exactly where the renoble trackway
was found, the one that I found with the or
not me. But the one that we found with the
smaller tracks was exactly where the Rednoble trackway was found.
A separate was on the opposite side of the Uh,
that little cove right there was on the on the

(25:46):
opposite side.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
And what and what's interesting is I'll point out that
the time of year he's talking about, that's the three
trackways found. Yeah, within two two, three weeks of each other,
a year later, three years later.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
And whenever you asked about LBL, my immediate response is
just like Daniel being I know Daniel Boone and I
know LBL well enough to say that the thing I
learned the most from them is that number one, the
stuff is there, absolutely, but number two, it's the right

(26:21):
time of year. The right time of year, in my opinion,
is important for getting the responses to the degree where
it's like okay, yeah, that's definitely something and finding tracks
and you know, seeing eye shine, getting stuff thrown at you,

(26:42):
all that kind of stuff. The right time of year
is critical for that. So it's I've been to LBL
at different seasons of the year, and I'll just tell
everybody on here because I don't care well, I don't
late September to early December is the time to be

(27:05):
at lb L. That's you got nowhere to go and
you got to know what to do. But that's the
time to be at lb L. That's there seems to
be more activity than U and then other times of
the year.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
And also be careful. Don't just go by yourself and walk,
don't you know, because there I don't know if you
felt the spencer, but I can you know, I've driven
through there. I stayed all We stayed all night a
few a couple months back. Driving around. It's on July fourth,
and there are certain areas that have that creepy feels

(27:40):
like you like to say, and there's some that don't
have it. Yeah, I pulled in, I pulled in roads
and backed out like I'm not going in there.

Speaker 7 (27:49):
So I can't remember if I've ever told you or not, Roger,
but sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. Even
I've never actually been in the LBL, but I've drove,
you know, asked it, you know on the interstate, you know,
see the signs for it and everything. And even way
before I started learning about it for the Bigfoot reasons,

(28:11):
there's just something about it, like driving about it. It's
just it was that I don't know, you call it
intuition or something, that's just like that ooky feeling. I'm
just like, I don't want to go in there at all, you'll.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Feel I am.

Speaker 7 (28:24):
So I was like, I've always had that thing. So
then once I really started learning all this stuff about
the LBL, I'm like, oh, that checks out.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Okay, We'll be careful though, because in my opinion, they're
in lies a track. You cannot if you look at
this stuff, like if you take the Beast of LBL,
for example, if you type in the Beast of LBL
on YouTube, I've heard the story firsthand from the man

(28:53):
that was there. Uh, that would be mister Kombobaker. Oh.
If you type in the Beast of LBL, you get
so many different versions. And all I'm saying is just like,
just like any subject, it's not just bigfoot or cryptids,
it's any subject, be careful of the be careful of
the source material. And I think a lot of it

(29:16):
has led to this overall opinion. I see people making
comments all the time that like, no way LBL terrifies me.
LBL as many national parts as I've been to and
state parks and everything. LBL is absolutely one of my favorites.
It's it's it's beautiful. I've been there in the backwoods

(29:37):
part of it. I've been there at the campgrounds. I'm
still here. I never got that. Uh And and we
did stupid stuff like literally calling for boogers and you know,
so nothing happened. It's a beautiful place. I do think anytime,
anytime you're in nature, you need to be careful. Well, hell,

(29:58):
anytime nowadays in the old world, you need to be careful.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
So that's that's why I like to go places in
the wintertime because of the snake.

Speaker 7 (30:08):
Yeah, snakes and spiders are less pro for snakes. True,
you're preaching there, sir, uh Man, I was.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
We won't talk about chiggers. I don't know if it's
my blood type or what it is. They love me
and I hate them.

Speaker 6 (30:26):
I'm in the same boat. I can't stand them things.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
And you know, we've had what limited time i've been there,
we've had things happen, some things I can't explain, and
that that bugs me more than the things I can't explain.
And you know, when we had that whatever that was
walked behind our tent. Y'all the people at the fire
heard it. I don't know if you were at the fire.

(30:49):
I heard people getting out the thermos and stuff. But
that was absolutely terrifying to me. And uh, but but
I still go back. It is so beautiful, you know.
But I and I had gone up because we were
y'all were having to meet and greet y'all including us,

(31:10):
and I'm like, I want to go see what's going
on up here. And I got lucky. Nobody knows, nobody
knew I was going. I found the tracks in the
same place as the Readnoble trackway, same place that you're
talking about. And it was scary and you always have

(31:31):
armchair quarterbacks, and well, you should have done this, you
should have casted this when you're out there by yourself,
and you got fresh eighteen inch tracks and fourteen inch tracks,
and the kids, I say kids is running around and
it hadn't rained in two muchs and there are fresh tracks.
It started raining at midnight, so they're still close by.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Probably I was, I would well, I shouldn't say I
was never that. I was never. I never changed my
opinion about how I conducted myself, like going out by myself.
I used to have an area around here where I
live that's a wildlife management area, and one of my

(32:16):
best friends, Anthony Kelly, he and I we started combing
that area and we sure enough found tps x's structures.
Eventually we found tracks. We got some vocalizations from there,
and that is the very first time that I started

(32:40):
gifting apples and like candybos and I would go out
there a couple times a week, and most of the
time ninety percent of the time it was by myself.
And about the third month or the fourth month of
doing that, I'm not sure what other people mean by

(33:02):
whenever you're talking about getting zap within for sound, if
that's what it was, I'm not I'm not saying that's
what it was, but that's the that's the very first
time where when that happened, when I got the overwhelming
just uncontrollable fear like discombobulated, confused, got to get out

(33:29):
of there. I don't know what's going on. I didn't
know where I was at. I just all of a
sudden got a fog and I didn't know where I
was what I was doing. I knew that my vehicle
was downhill and I was out there, probably probably about
a mile or close to it. Anyway, I don't really

(33:51):
accurately remember, but as I started walking downhill, that walk
turned into kind of a gallop, and I fell a
couple times, and then it was like sheer panic, like
running down this mountain side through the woods and bouncing
off trees and stuff. I thought a couple times, but

(34:13):
as I got within about one hundred yards or so
of my truck, it kind of calmed down. I kind
of came back to myself, but I still got my
butt out of there, and after that, I had a
very distinct impression that I'm messing with something that I

(34:33):
don't know exactly how it operates or what it does.
I'm not saying to be scared of them. I'm not
trying to frighten anybody, but I really had a very
very uneasy feeling about that whole thing, because it came
over me so quick. I remember going up there and
putting out apples, and then I went further to check

(34:56):
on some of the other structures to see if they
had changed, because people don't know it, or structures will
change throughout the year, They'll get moved around. And I
was going to check some of the other ones. And
that's whenever it happened, and ever since then, I'm very
animate about I'll go out by myself, like on my

(35:18):
own land and everything, because where I've moved to, I
think that they moved through here, but I definitely don't
think they'd live here or anything. But going into areas
where I know that they're at, I don't really feel
comfortable going out by myself anymore. Something about that changed me.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, And I and having met people through Spencer and
Misty and Greg and other you know, other people, it's
nice to have Like I had something happened last year,
and Spencer as soon as I had service, I'm like, hey,
have you ever had a pressure change in your ears?
But you're sitting still? And he started telling me about

(36:00):
similar situations. Uh. And then Mary Fabian in Pennsylvania. I
contacted her, I say, hey, have you ever heard of this?
And it just makes you feel better? And then you've
got Native tracker here. I don't we're not supposed to
say that little people. Uh, but I have heard that too,
when you get that that fog or that buzz going on,

(36:22):
I've heard that from some of our Native American friends
that there's something else could be going on. I don't know, y'all.
It's it's bad enough to have Bigfoot and now dog Man,
and we have friends that see these things that you
know you take. You take what they say to the bank.
That's the thing you get to know people. I know,

(36:44):
Spencer is not good. Spencer is not gonna lie to me.
We'll joke around and cut up, but when it's time
to discuss things that have happened, ideas, throw stuff against
the walls. If it sticks, you know, this couldn't be that.
I appreciate that friendship. And but what is scary is

(37:04):
when you have people like that and then they come
to you and say, listen to this, or look at this,
or I saw this. Mark Green will be on next week, y'all.
We know what he said he saw a few weeks ago.
That terrifies me. And we'll talk about that later. But
when you get a call from Mark Green. Mark Green
is one of the most honest men on his planet. Absolutely,

(37:25):
and when he tells you he saw something, he saw it.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
And just rational down to earth. I mean, not prom
the not hair on fire, not not not going out
on a limb in any way, shape or form. When
someone like that says, hey, this is what I saw,
it's like, okay, that's that's what you saw. I don't
want to think about it, but that's what you saw, Okay.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
And Spencer's gotten a lot. Yeah, I don't know how
many people you've interviewed. H What gave you the idea
to start your show? I mean I know why I
started did this.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I was scared to death, but I wanted to learn more.
What what how did wood Walker's come about?

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (38:08):
My lord, you.

Speaker 7 (38:09):
Just had to lar Well, honestly, I'd like to know,
because I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
Oh you don't huh.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
So the abridged version is so. Like I said, my
first thing was with big Foot outlaws, right well, Eric Tipton, Cain,
Michael uh Mark Newville, Larry Porch, Gebbie Jones, Shelley Reid,
they were all there and I was the new guy.

(38:41):
And uh, I wasn't even a guy. I was just
a person that everybody was evaluating and interrogating, uh to
see if they would, you know, humor me being there.
But anyway, uh, I became quick friends with a lot
of them, and so Mark and Larry had a show
that there still is episodes more more like documentaries now

(39:05):
saw Dust Beast and it was a pretty popular show
not that long ago and still is to this day.
It's just the format has changed a little bit. But anyway,
whenever it was changing to the point where they just
didn't want to have the regular weekly show, I was

(39:29):
one of their guest slash moderator, slash their friend. I
would go out with them and everything, and I started
documenting stuff around here in my area and doing Facebook lives,
and I think that went on for about three months
or four months, and everybody was like, I think it

(39:49):
was only because everybody It's not that anybody enjoyed seeing
or hearing me, it's that they missed Mark and Larry.
And I was filling in the floyd a little bit.
But then I went to meet and greet. It was
actually Bama's birthday party, i think, if memory serves me correctly,

(40:09):
and I met Misty and she slurped down a taco
salad like the fly, and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah,
I just got to you gotta come on with me
because everybody's gonna love this. But we had camaraderie, and
I was already kicked around the idea of actually doing

(40:30):
a regular YouTube show, and in my mind it was
just to kind of fill in the blank for Mercy Larry,
because at that point they were doing a show like
once a month, so I was like, hey, I'll fill
in some stuff, and even like like not really, I
don't like being the center of attention and I don't

(40:52):
like doing interviews. But Roger asked, and Roger one of
my best friends, so here I am. But it was
supposed to be about everybody else, and it was supposed
to be about barbecue and bushcraft and backpacking as well
as bigfoot, because I'm a firm proponent of let's talk

(41:13):
about more than just bigfoot. But anyway, whenever her and
I whenever squirreling, I got to going, hey, it just
it took off and we started getting some guests and
we put him out there and then Greg, the other
part of the Third Musketeer of Woodwalkers. Greg. I tried

(41:36):
to find Greg for years because I heard I heard
a couple interviews, but there were no details about who
he was, And finally friend of a friend got him
on sawd us Best and I was like, holy cow,
that's the guy I want to talk to him, and
I very rudely just interjected myself and I was like,

(41:57):
I was like, you don't know it, but I really
get a lot of questions for you. And he and
I started talking and kind of hit it off, and
then we had him on the show. I definitely wanted
him on the show, and uh, but we had such
a good time and House has so much information that

(42:17):
it was just natural to be like, hey, please do
this with us, and you know, put your ear and
your thoughts in there also. So that's that's how that started.
And now it's completely out of control and everything is
out of my hands and they just do whatever they
want to do behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yep, they started their own channel Night Ours. It's pretty fun.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
I encouraged them to do that.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
And what's what's funny about y'all three is perfect? Uh,
you know cause Spencer and Misty go at it like
brother and sister, and then Greg sits there and kind
of interjects the humor. But but the thing is, if
you all of them, like Spencer's word has calmed down
and talking about this stuff, Greg, it's not that he'll

(43:06):
tell Greg could tell you he's not a researcher. You know,
he has to be careful going to his truck and
to the door, you know, so they're there's not all
the time, but.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
You know, whenever he says stuff like that, I think
people would become so desensitized that they don't truly appreciate.
If you ask anybody that's been to like a man cake,
it's a very real thing. The boogers are there. Yeah,
they're there. They're there more often than they're not. And

(43:42):
they're there, and yes, he becomes he's gotten used to
what does he say. He says he's always trying to
coexist with them, you know, and like house, if you
ask him, he doesn't do anything like put out cameras
or try to record them, or he doesn't calls or
knock on trees or anything. He's not trying to excite

(44:03):
them or instigate them because he's literally living with them.
And it's important to make that distinction. Whenever people see
you on YouTube and they just hear you talking about
a fantastical subject that they have no experience in this stuff,
it sounds so outlandish that we treat it real casually.

(44:26):
We're like, oh, you know, the booker's this or I
found that, and they're like, there's no way this is written.
I could promise you you don't hear you don't hear
us saying we ran into a booker every other month,
that you don't hear us saying that. But what we
do say, I promise you comes from real world experience
has happened. And we don't take the subject un seriously.

(44:51):
We take ourselves, don't. We don't treat ourselves seriously. We
treat the subject very seriously.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yep. And I had a comment like somebody commented on
reread it on there was a thread and you know,
unsquatching Hollowers brought up. Now I have a hard time
believing anybody that's so relaxed about it. Yeah, And I'm like,
you know, just because you sound relaxed. You can listen

(45:18):
to some of the audio that I'm involved in, and Spencer,
I tell you right quick, I'm running like crazy inside,
but I'm trying to stay calm.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
So if you go back and listen to Greg, get
Greg to tell the motorcycle thing, you can literally see
the PTSD And that's not a good that's not a
good measuring tool to say, hey, this person is telling

(45:46):
this story very calm, and you know, like on the
WU thing, and I don't mean that as a pejorative,
but on the WU thing, I used to be completely like,
there is no way, Like I've come far enough excepting
that boogers are real, and now we get into this
other stuff. I'm like, there's just no way. I'm not

(46:07):
accepting this. There has to be a reasoning behind this
that people are overlooked. Then I've experienced some of it,
and now I'm like, man, I don't know what to think.
But you cannot gauge someone unless you've walked them out
in somebody's shoes and been where they've been and gone

(46:28):
through what they've gone through. You cannot watch a YouTube
video about somebody and make an credited decision on this
person's full of it or this person is not. And
that's a hard lesson to learn.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
But it's very real and some people, now I'm sure
Amanda deals with this a lot too. Some people have
dealt with it in a way to where they can
talk about Some people cannot talk about it. You don't
hear those stories because they can't talk about it. You
know those people. I know those people. And then you've
got people like I said, have been through some things

(47:01):
that was pretty horrible at the time, pretty scary. Uh,
didn't know if he's gonna make it out of the
woods with your kids, because whatever's going on, and then
you you accept it and deal with it, and you're like,
I've got to tell this. It's just when I was
filming the footprints, I was scared to death. My instinct
was to run back to the truck, but I'm like, no,

(47:22):
if I'm going to do this, I need to hang
in there and get this document as good as well
as I can. Now did I sound calm? Larry Ports
told me when we had the audio, the one throwing
bolters and picking up trees and slapping other trees with it,
and the baby screaming in the background and all that.
He said, they were talking about how calm I was,

(47:44):
But he said, but you got really chatty. I'm like,
I was narrating while it was going on and didn't
realize that I was so nervous.

Speaker 7 (47:53):
But amazing what your brain does in those try to
process through all of.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
That, try to deal with it. So yeah, like you know,
when we got the first rock ever thrown at us,
and I'm thinking, what we need to do. You're thinking
about all this stuff about bears and how they are
are predatory responses, you don't want to run. Well, Peyton
and Spencer and Peyton's become my son. They've become good friends,

(48:21):
you know how he is. And he's quiet for a
little bit and he says, are we just going to
northern fact that we just had a rock thrown at us?
I'm trying to figure out the best, uh, the next
step that we need to do. So and and and Spencer.
They have great guests. There was there was a guy

(48:43):
a couple of weeks ago that I was in and
out but I was just drawn. And when I got home,
we'd come from church, and I put it on the
big screen and it was so intense. I was watching
the background mm hmmm. Because he he's had some really
really and some people people say out their experiences. Five
years ago, I would have said that, but now some

(49:06):
of the things we've experienced ourselves.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Look, I had somebody ask me about you know, bigfoot
and UFOs and all that. You know, they try they
try to get you to what's your opinion because all
of this, you know, I say this all the time.
All we know all I know is what's happened to me.
I trust people to tell me the truth, but then
when you ask me to speculate, I mean, what am
I doing. I'm just throwing something out there. But then

(49:32):
they'll get kind of mad because you don't have an
opinion on that. I can't yet, right, I've seen a
UFO and I've seen Bigfoot a couple of times. But
if they were separate. Now, if I ever see them together, Spencer,
you will get the call. You and Peyton, Greg you know,
on three way whatever, but.

Speaker 6 (49:49):
Somebody better get a phone call.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah, but that's the way my mindset is. And Spencer,
you have to be you have to be a you
have to I'm one of the biggest critics, even though
I know that exists because I'm evaluating the guest right
when you first talk to them. And then there's things

(50:13):
that you pick up on, little details, little things that
you've experienced.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
That's that's one of the that's one of the main things.
And that's an advantage that comes to you after you've
actually experienced some of the stuff yourself and you've been
around other people that you've known them for a while,
and you get to trust them and then you start.
So the way it works in my mind is I

(50:44):
know everything that I've experienced. There's probably thirty percent of
it where I'm not sure what to make of it.
What the stuff that i've experienced, I'm not sure what
to make of it. So the stuff that I'm pretty
sure of that's like my that's like my bank, that's

(51:04):
like my that's my ground platform of my information that
I go off of. Then the next level is the
people that I've been around for a long time, and
I trust them. I know them, I've been there with them,
I've seen them in person, and I trust them whenever
they tell me stuff that goes on the next level,

(51:27):
I haven't experienced it, but that's rolling around up there,
and I'm keeping all of this in mind. And the
next level is me just hearing random people that I
don't really know, but they say certain things and I'm like, Okay,
I know what they're talking about there. I know that
that part is real. And if they say two or

(51:48):
three of those things where I'm like, Okay, I know
that's right, then I'm listening to that person. Now if
they go off and say some other stuff that's getting
way out in the wild blue under and I'm like,
I ain't never seen that shit, and I've been around
this stuff for a while. Then I still I still

(52:08):
evaluate it. But you have to have that skepticism, not
just for other people, but for yourself too. You have
to constantly evaluate what you're thinking of it.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, and it it's.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
There.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Sometimes there are red flags. I won't, you know, get
into it. But things that I thought were red flags
five years ago now not so much. I tested one
of my early guests and I was like, you know,
I don't know if you know this or not, but
when we talked, I wasn't ready for that information. Now

(52:47):
I'm ready for it. I understand what you were saying.
I treated them with respect because I try to have
open minds, but I was not on board with what
this person was saying. Now, with the experiences we've had,
I just don't know anymore. You know, I can't connect it.
I'm not going to say, Okay, we do know that
we've had strange things happened, and there were quarts laying

(53:10):
all down. We know there's a waterfall close by or
running water. Some of this stuff seems to connect the
area and certain things I don't know, so to speak.
When I saw the face through the thermal and then
the orb comes along, I don't know that they were connected.
Some people will tell you they are because they've had

(53:31):
more experience with it. But I feel like that certain
area that we're in, you know, where it's at Spencer,
is like almost like a conduit or something.

Speaker 9 (53:40):
Where As we've gone along and not just me, but
a bunch of other people, I think you have to
come to the realization.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Number one, you don't really you don't really know what's
going on. I mean, you've got ideas and you might
have heard about a certain location. So you go there
and you do a couple of things and you hope
to get a result. But there is no expert in
this field, right And as you go along, you eventually,

(54:15):
I think, have to get to the point where you're like,
is it me? Is it the individual? Is it what
you're doing? Is it the location? Is it a combination
of all of the things. And there's certain stuff. If
you go, okay, it's the location. If we start at

(54:36):
the end, if you go, okay, it's the location, Well
like that is it courts? Is it caverns? Is aquifers?
Is it lay lines? I've looked into all of it,
geomagnetic fields, all of it. If if you go, okay,
it's the location, how do you explain people going there
and nothing happening. Then again, you have people that go

(55:00):
there and they're like, I saw a UFO and a
booger and a ghost all in one weekend. You have
other people saying that that location is really active. Are
you just gonna throw the baby out with the bathwater
and be like, this person's full of it because they
saw bigfoot, of ufo and a ghost all at the
same type or is it the location. Then you have

(55:22):
other people that are in areas that you've never heard
of before and they tell the most fascinating story and
you're like, man, a lot of the stuff that they
said is spot on. It's just right. You know, they
probably did experience what they're talking about. But that location's
not known for it. It doesn't match any of the criteria.

(55:42):
You know, go look at the accounts of like boogers
in New Mexico or like Utah where there is a
lack of like ley lines, geomagnetic fields, caverns, aquifers, all
this kind of stuff. There are people talking about experiencing
experiencing them in like desert regions, you know, and close

(56:04):
to the Mexico border. It's how do you explain this?
Everything is so anomalous about this thing. It could be anything.
Is it the person, is it the place? Is it
a combination of things? Was you know, was the person
struck by lightning? Did that change their their negative eye

(56:24):
on amount? Is it their blood type or were they
born into a family of psychics or very sensitive people.
It's it could go any which way you could. There
are no experts in all of these arbitrary things about going.
Oh it's got to be caverns or lay lines, or
it's got to be the courts coming out of the ground.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
Ye, it could be any of that.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Yeah, And Amanda, I think I sent y'all a message,
and I probably sent Spencer. I didn't know this about courts,
So when we started, I started realizing that some of
that was connected with some of these places. I read
one thing about courts. Now we're talking about weird stuff, right.
It's weird because we don't know about it. Maybe that's

(57:13):
why I love talking to our Native American friends, because
they have We just talked about the lower had a
comment there there's there's forgotten knowledge that we are that
we don't know about.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
That.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I loved how I can call, you know, call up
Kenny or flat Rock or some of those guys and
you know, and a, hey, have you heard heard about this? Well, so, Kenny,
I'm like the quarts. I was showing him the cold
fire and he was saying, most medicine bags that they
carry have quarts in it. And then I read where

(57:45):
quartz is not neither a solid or a liquid, and
it stores energy and under pressure it releases energy. Now
I sit back like, oh my god, how is that possible?
I'm not God, I'm not a scientist, of course, and
this may be something that people already know. We're getting

(58:07):
Misty said energy, energy, energy, Larberry frequencies. The more you
dig into this, the more that stuff comes into play.
This feeling that you get, that creepy feels that you
talk about, is that freak? Is that a frequency? I
stood beside at the conference we went to last month,

(58:28):
a lady had a quartz bowl. It was that big,
It was that big round, and she took I was
standing beside it, my left side was near it. I'm like,
what is that She's it's made out of quartz. And
she took and started rubbing this rock around the top
of it, and the left side of my body started vibrating.
And I'm looking and I stick my hand down in it.

(58:49):
I don't know if I was supposed to or not,
but she kept going. I struck my hand down in
that bowl and it lit me up. And I'm like,
oh wow. I get back to the table and I'm
telling Heather, oh my god. And Randy Brooks are standing there.
He can test he can testify that it and and
you know, your nerves go like to the center of
your body or whatever. What it What it was, I

(59:11):
don't know, but it it made me feel weird enough
that maybe some of these frequencies and infrasound and ultrasound
and all that stuff can mess with you. You know.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Well, that's what you get for putting your hands somewhere
that you work for. Cookie, Bobby, Ricky Bobby, I don't
know what to do with my hands. Let me just
stick it in the magic bolt.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
But you know me too.

Speaker 7 (59:45):
Sounds like the bowl you're describing. There's a lot of
people out there who do the like the sound healing
in like a lot of you know, alternative health and
nature path that kind of stuff. So yeah, they do
that with the the bowl and stuff like that over
people in different areas and things. So do they talk

(01:00:07):
about frequencies and stuff like that in that aspect. It
definitely connects with a lot of the frequencies and stuff
like that that people attribute to some of the more
WU aspects in the Bigfoot encrypted worlds. I know, I've
seen at least on documentaries and podcasts and stuff like that,
people who have been healed of you know, something you

(01:00:31):
know bad wrong with them, you know, after coming into
contact with sasquatch or vice versa. So it's just one
of those weird things that my brain thinks as you're
talking about that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Well, no, I mean that's and that's the thing. That's
why we talk about this stuff because you know, ideas
may pop. We might we might talk about it five
times and not trigger something. It's just like ten years ago,
if I'd have watched this documentary it was on UH
Vision and Light Frequent light Waves, and they started talking

(01:01:07):
about this butterfly. Some of y'all have heard me talk
about this, but they were talking about this butterfly that
looks green to us, it has no pigmentation whatsoever. And
but but this design that God made this butterfly, and
the design on this butterfly is the exact length apart
as the green wave. Oh wow, so it appears green

(01:01:30):
to us. So I stopped it and I'm like, hold up,
if that's possible, and I start, you know, googling or whatever,
then could we make a material that could do that?
And it's called meta Its actually called it's called meta
material now here, here's my question. If that butterfly can

(01:01:55):
have that perfect design to appear green because it reflects
only green light, what if you know what the waves
are of infrared or other and it only reflects that
we couldn't see it right now. I'm not saying Bigfoot
is reflecting infrared light. I'm just saying, if you find

(01:02:18):
something in nature, that's what discussions. It leads you down
this rabbit hole. So we actually have metal materials that
you know they use this camouflage. So I don't know
if that's true, but that's that's what kind of my
brain gets into.

Speaker 7 (01:02:36):
And that's why these kind of conversations are so important.
So that way you can make your brain think, because
I don't know what words I'm trying to say here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
But stimulate, stimulation, stimulate, thank.

Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
You, thank you, stimulate your your nogging.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
If Spencer speechless, I've never seen an I think.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
It's important to keep an open mind on the whole
thing in too. Listen to every like that, I've never
heard of that butterfly okay, okay. And and while you
were talking, my brain was thinking about the possibility of
the hair like like where the hair might not have pigmentation,
or it might be a clear and maybe it's refracting

(01:03:20):
redirecting light so that it looks like it's surrounded. And
then you could go into the area of Hey, if
they can produce him for sound, is it possible that
they are just messing with your brain while you're right
there and scrambling the signal and you can't see them
because that because you will hear a lot of people

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talk about Hey, you have to see them out of
your peripheral or you have to see them at an angle.
You know you can't. You can't see them if they're
right there in front of you unless they want you
to see them. There are people talking about, hey, I
could see it with the camera or through my phone
or I could see it with the therm, but whenever
I would pull thermal down in China flashlight, there was

(01:04:03):
nothing there. It's there's some weird mystery to all of
this that I do not understand. I've seen them dream batteries,
and I know I say that like it's an unequivocal fact.
I'm gonna tell you right now it is. For me.
I the stuff, the stuff that needed to be charged,

(01:04:25):
was one charge, the stuff that needed to have batteries
put in it, and had brand new batteries. We're out
in the middle of Daniel Boom Forest. It wasn't just me,
it was five other people besides me, and all of
us had battery draamage at the same time. And then
go back to camp and an hour hour and a

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half after your back at camp, batteries come back on
fully charged.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
I'm gonna write that down because I'm gonna ask Google
some questions later.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
I've seen it happen. I can't explain it, but I've
seen it happen on that exact same camp out where
that happened was the first time. Thanks to you, my
friend Chris Brinhart, I took an RF meter. We did
a call got a response my meter. We were in

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the middle of the Daniel ber National Forest. There is
no micro wave, there is no there's no EMF out there.
I mean I took base readings. Whenever we got there.
The r F part radio frequency part went to such
a high degree that set off on alarm on the meter.

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Whenever that thing screamed back, it went all the way up. Now,
that was a brand new meter and I wasn't familiar
with it. Was my first time ever using it, so
I didn't really know what to make of it. But
it went off on alarm, it went so high. What
is that? What's going on? Is it messing with something

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that we don't understand? I think so?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
And is it dangerous for us? Amanda? Have you ever
had anybody come in the museum and talk about experience
and Bigfoot or whatever and think that it may have
made him sick, because we've had a lot of people
get sick.

Speaker 7 (01:06:23):
Yes, Actually I have actually did talk to a guy
I think it was this past week or within the
last two weeks who was who was zapped and it
made him violently sick for a couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
We've had people leave meet and Greeks well, I wasn't
there for one of them, but several people got sick,
and so we of Robinson asked his question. It's a
good question, Rusty, Doctor Rusty. How would Spencer and or
Roger Manda compare Elder Hollins. I'll let you I'll let
you start that Spencer.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
I would say that they are They're different, but they're
the same thing in the sense that there's a different
feel to LBL because it's such a big area. Is
there's a lot of places where people go to LBL
all the time, never have anything happen to them. People

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go to LBL and just love hiking around there, and
it's beautiful, and it is at Holland's is a very
remote location. And I mean, since I'm talking to Rusty
and Rusty knows me and I know him, Hollins, the
Bookers are there. It's just a matter of are you
there at the right time when they're there, And if

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you are, they're pretty much right on top of you
because they have that advantage where they can get that
close to you and just watch you and everything. Whether
or not they let themselves be known to you is
a different thing. But I would say it's the exact
same thing, just like LBL. If you know where to
go and you know the right times of year, it's

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the propensity to have something happen is just as high.
Daniel Boone is just like that. There are parts of
Cherokee National Forest that are just like that. And Alabama,
the whole state of Alabama is like that.

Speaker 7 (01:08:24):
If you ask me, Yeah, I'm coming to realize that
I've only ever traveled through Alabama, but the amount of
reports that come out of Alabama is just mind boggling.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Alabama and certain spots in North Georgia are hugely active,
Like I cannot stress that enough. The bookers are just there,
They're everywhere everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Yes, and the reports that are not reported in Alabama
are even more impressive. And some of you know a
little bit about that. Hopefully we can there's this ongoing
or maybe we can share later, but they'll probably share
it on Woodwalkers and it's it's impressive. But anyway, we
have to, we have to. We have to honor people's

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wishes and honor protocol, like you know, Amanda goes through
it all time. Like I'm sure they tell you a
story about don't tell my name, don't tell.

Speaker 6 (01:09:21):
Me all the time.

Speaker 7 (01:09:22):
I have so many that I can't share, just you know,
out of respect for that person. And I know, imagine
you boys get the same thing too, you know, people ask,
you know, they feel finally feel comfortable to share something
and they ask you not to and somebody else who
is it? Yeah, miss missus Dorothy here she keeps bringing

(01:09:42):
up about different frequencies and stuff like you.

Speaker 6 (01:09:45):
Can't wear a watch.

Speaker 7 (01:09:46):
I actually have the thing like we're I can't get
too close to like an old like a regular radio
with the radio antenna because it messes up the settle,
like Amanda, get up, get away from the radio.

Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
Yeah, get away from the radio. You make it all,
you know.

Speaker 7 (01:10:00):
So anyway, I don't have that issue anymore because I
use one of these now for my radio.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
But you know, and Windows making fun of me, but
he correct. I don't know if I'll ever go back
to Hollins because of what I saw in the camera.
You know, I can only I showed the AI picture
or whatever. I was the only one that saw it,
and the ORB came along right, so that was part
of the whole experience. But I also feel that Holland's

(01:10:28):
I got a feeling it's not good. I don't know.
There's something the energy we talk about, it's a different
feel than LBL that I don't know whether it's all
the things that are going on. We talked about the
lay lines and the quarts on thirty third parallel, whatever
it might be going on there, and then you have

(01:10:49):
the LBL, and like Spencer said, it's so big that
there are areas you can get out of the area
pretty quick. But there are some areas that kind of
feel like Collins. But it's a different it's different. I
don't know if it's the type of energy or it's
the water on both sides of you and and the
negative eyns. I don't know. I do know I'm sensitive

(01:11:11):
to a few things, but it's just different. And I
think I think we've been lucky at Hollins, because there's
some people that haven't been lucky at Holland's. If y'all
look that up, the guy that was torn apart below
the tree stand. So I don't want to end up
like that when according to according.

Speaker 7 (01:11:34):
To reports, sometimes it's it's good to have a healthy
dose of caution in certain things.

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
So nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
If you're not cautious about this. And I say this
very seriously for everybody that will ever see this video.
If you treat this subject as a joke, you're going
to have a really really sharp wake up moment at
some point if if you keep, if you keep playing
with fire, you're going to get burnt ye if you

(01:12:05):
do not treat this seriously. I mean, I know we're
on here laughing and cutting up and everything. If you
don't treat this subject serious and you don't have a
respect for it, it's gonna bite you into the tail.
I can promise you on that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
I'm not ashamed. I'm not ashamed. I'll tell you all this.
Spencer got a phone call from me after midnight and
they'll bll and I was sobbing. That was that was unreal.
It was too much from my brain. I saw the
white Wolf. It's the biggest dog I've ever seen in

(01:12:41):
my life. It didn't move like it was supposed to.
And I'm not saying it was a dog man because
it was. It was a monster wolf. And I've seen
the tracks there. If y'all know what an eight inch
or eight number eighth kill it? H what do you
call it?

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
I used for cornbread, the iron cast iron if you
know how big that is? Is that? And of course
it was in the mud, but that's a very large
canine track and it had a pendage on it that
I don't know what it was. Anyway, I saw this
thing pulled in. Uh it was gone. Heather says, you know, oh, heavens,
she doesn't cuss like me. I said, what is it?
She saw a best she could describe, it was a

(01:13:19):
vapor across the road that is bout the size of
a large dog. Right, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
Did you know Mark and Rebecca Green? You can ask
him about this when you have him on there. Mark
and somebody else saw Booker playing as day Beca saw
it as falk as a mist right there in that
one specific spot again that goes into our are we different?
Is the area different? Are we perceiving things differently?

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
And what's wild is she didn't see this bright wolf
in They had lights with red glowing eyes, which I've
never seen that before. And I didn't see the vapor.
But the dog was missing, I mean in the angle
that was going I cut it off. It looked like
it was going to cross that gravel road, so I
whipped in there now all that happened, my heart rates up.

(01:14:11):
About a mile or three miles before you get to
the Tennessee line, headed south, I saw one of the
biggest black things I've ever seen in my life, and
it looked like it was digging. And the thing was
when it took off, it didn't run, but it was
going downhill, down a slope, but the back was level.

(01:14:32):
That's not normal. And I was, look, we're talking seven
to nine hundred pounds and I didn't see a tail.
I call Spencer. I know it's a few miles away
from them, but it's more like a warning because of
the wolf and everything. It was headed towards them, but
turned around. Now my brain was not ready for all
of that within just a few miles. And I, you know,

(01:14:56):
I tell this, you know, laughing, but this is the truth. Heather.
Later that night we went to the cabin. She said,
why are they outside of lights on? I said, because
I want them on.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
It made me feel better, you know, And I had
stuff there that made me feel better, and I didn't
sleep that well that night. So when you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
See it for real, when you experience it for real,
and you actually you go, oh my gosh, this shit
is real. You as a grown man, you have a
whole different because you have to have that moment where
you're like everything I thought I understood, I'm missing something here,

(01:15:36):
I'm missing a part of it. I didn't. I didn't
get the whole story or I never believed in this
part of it. And turns out that's real, and it
makes you question a lot and there's no there's no
shame in that. I mean, it makes you go, I
don't know what that was. And I'm not prepared to
deal with this because because we weren't brought up to

(01:15:58):
be prepared to deal with it. We didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
We didn't know yeah, and and and and what we
have to what Spencer is the rock? He's like, I
don't know. If I tell everybody you do have a
big foot show. Then I get back to camp the
next morning and he comes up and grads me and
said I might accidentally told a couple of people.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
And I did, but it was it was close friends.
But I was like, okay, look, I didn't mean to,
but they heard me on you and they wanted to
know because we all know, oh my gosh, did somebody
see one. I'm like, Okay, maybe maybe it was Roger
and this is what happened. And then they told other
people and I was like, no, that kind of guy
out of hand, and that was my fault.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
But but Debbie, But here's the thing. Debbie Porch met
me like Wendell does. Out of the blue. She come
up to me and was like asking questions bam bam,
bam bam. And I was answering him as quick, you know,
and I appreciated that. But because you know, the older
you get, you need to recount these stories.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
It was Debbie Porch's fault because she was the one
standing behind me when I was talking to you, and
I didn't know it. As soon as I hung up,
she came up and said who was that and what
was it? Because it was Vy, I told her, and
then she interrogated you. But if we're gonna put the
blame on anybody, it's Debbie Porch's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Standing too close to you. But no, but I welcome
you know, Spencer, Amanda doesn't know me that well as
well as you do, and anybody in Chat that's been
around me really and all that. I welcome any question
because I'm good at saying I don't know. And what

(01:17:44):
shook me up the most, and Spencer knows this was
I kept going back. If I'd have seen an elbow,
if i have seen a toe, if i'd seen an ear.
All identification markers were certain animals. And it happened so fast.
I got stopped and this thing, I don't know if
it's seven to nine hundred pounds, but it's beside Heather's
truck window with it's in it, and I'm like rolling

(01:18:06):
into that and I'm backing up, and I'm like, well,
maybe that's not a good idea.

Speaker 7 (01:18:10):
It's like the firing line.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
But uh but yeah, after that, we got you know,
where the buffalo or the bison are. There was something
huge and black in that field. And I don't think
I've ever told many people this. I was like, nope,
I just kept driving. I don't know, don't want to
know it. No, it was standing up on two legs.

(01:18:36):
I mean, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying I'm
saying it was odd, okay, because I didn't normally, If normally,
I would have whipped in there and put the lights
on it. But at that point I didn't care.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
What it was.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
I just want to get back to the cabin. Because
I was still dealing with and y'all, I joke a lot,
but when things happen, I don't worry about me. It's
it's the people with me I worry about. And and
it changes situations like if if Greg and Spencer and
I go out, man, we're good. You know you watch

(01:19:09):
that way, I watched that way, you watch our back,
We're good. But when you have people that are not
paying attention, you feel responsible for them. And that's why
some people don't want you to come into their land,
uh to investigate, because they don't want to be responsible.
I said this last week for something Happening to You
and and with y'all. With Spencer show, he's going to

(01:19:32):
talk to people that most of them have been terrified.
You can hear it. They've never told their stories before.
And that's what I love about their show is they
get into the like the an area that you've never
heard of before, like you said earlier, you know, like

(01:19:54):
you know this holler or that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Old and if the people if the people, ah, this
is so hard to put into words because everybody wants
to like punk fingers and saying you're keeping secrets and everything.
If the people that talk to me, which I'm very
honored that they did. If the people that talk to

(01:20:18):
me but will not come out and tell their stuff,
and I understand, and I'm not pooh doing it, I
get it. I don't blame you. But if you would
hear half of the people that talk to me and
they say, okay, but I'm not coming on the show,
or please don't put this out there, don't say anything

(01:20:38):
about this, if you would hear half of them, like
some of their stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:20:44):
Is so so good, so so being able to be
validated and credible, and coming from like extremely extremely credible sources.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
I'm like, I'm like, just do the show, and they're like, no,
I can't. I'm like, okay, fine. But it's not like
I put pressure on them. I don't try to twist
their arm or anything. But man, I have heard some amazing,
impressive behind the scenes stuff, and I truly wish that
everybody else could could have heard been privy to some

(01:21:24):
of the stuff that I've seen, had told me, gotten
to look at pictures of videos of and all that
kind of stuff. But if they say don't put it
out there, we can't put it out there. I mean,
that's just the way that it works.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Yeah, and y'all, I see in chat there's ads popping
up that I didn't change anything. It must be the
channel untold they may have changed something. I'm sorry. I
don't know what to do about it. This is the
first time I've heard. I've heard you know that we've
had that problem. But Greg, oh, we're gonna get into

(01:22:02):
Coombo's farm trip.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
So which one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
I'm probably talking about the booger rot.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Well, and you know we laugh at Spencer and stuff.
But I've made some of the I've made mistakes where
something always happens when you're least expected. And and and
he told me a long time ago. Man, when you
when you before you get out of the vehicle, turn
the recording, you're going.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
To start the story that way.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
No, No, this is I'm saying. This is probably how
you learned and then you spread all this. I'm being nice.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
No, I learned it before then. We were going to dinner, Roger,
we were going to dinner. I didn't know getting out
of the truck.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Well, you can learn from other people's And if I
ever go, I'm just not even going to carry a
recorder because I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
All I could say is if you have a recorder
turn on before you get out of the vehicle, no
matter if you're going to dinner or if you're going
somewhere else, if no matter what, just had the recorder
on the whole time. In fact, if I would have
had the recorder on the whole time, we would have
caught the conversation where Greg was talking about the skinny pedal.
And then I called Mark Green and told him to

(01:23:26):
the skinny pedal because Cumbo is driving like it's the
Talladega five hundred and Mark Green. Mark Green is like
three stoplights back because he's driving this daisy. And Greg's
in the middle trying not to get outside of Cumbo
but also trying to keep Mark Green caught up. But anyway,
that that gets beyond the thing. But when we got

(01:23:48):
out of the vehicle at Cumbo's property, prime property never
been to before. We were going to dinner, and there
was a bunch of us in vehicles. There's probably fifteen
of us in different vehicles, and Kumbo said, do you
want to take a quick tour of the point and
part of his property before we go to dinner, And

(01:24:11):
of course, I mean I was, and this is a
whole separate story from the booger rock, which Misty almost
got buried on Kumbo's property. I was gonna murder her
because Kumbo gave her the booger rock. But anyway, uh,
Kumbo said, do you want to see the property? And
we're driving around and then he's in the lead vehicle.

(01:24:33):
It stops, the next car stops, another one stops. That's
the one that Greg was driving. And I was it
and in my mind, I'm like, what happened? Did they
see something? You know? Is there something? There's there's something
in the road. I don't know what it is, but
people are getting out. And as soon as I got
out and walked up because I'm like what's going on,

(01:24:56):
Kumbo goes, you reckon? We all love him know we're here,
and you know, does a call like right now, with
no warning or anything, and God is my witness before
his call even stopped, echoing something from the woods, probably
less than one hundred yards away, Goes, I mean it

(01:25:19):
was it was like it was like holy and everybody's
looking around and then like three or four of them
looked at me and said did you record that? And
I was like no, I mean I didn't know if
there was somebody had a flat tire. I didn't know
what we were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
And he gets to blame because they had all that equipment. Yeah,
they make it and it's all in fun. Uh. Y'all
that when he mentioned the booger rock or whoever mentioned it?
Uh uh. Koombo has a pile of rocks and the
boogers will throw these rocks out as he's mowing, or
he'll find them. He'll clean them up and then you know,
they'll toss them back out there. So I was in chat, Yeah,

(01:26:07):
I was. I was in chat when they were telling
this story for the first time. They had just come
back and they didn't know me that well. But I
was picturing Spencer, like they said. Spencer thought Koombo was
about to hand him the rock and he was reaching
for it and he went past him.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
Cuombo was talking to me because he said something he
was on or when we pulled in there, and he said,
I hit another derned booger rock and he said I
had to stop and get up and put that in
the pile. Well, he's got a little pole, I mean,
it's a little power and these are like a medium
sized rocks about the soft ball size, and I said,

(01:26:44):
no way, and he's like yeah. He was like it's
right there. It's like you want to see one. I
was like yeah, And Koombo walks over to the pile
thirty feet away, and Misty is talking to him too,
but I was the one talking to him about the
Booker Rock. And he walks over to the power and
I kind of take a couple of steps following him,
but then I stop and he goes over there to

(01:27:06):
the power and comes back. Misty's about ten feet behind
me and comes back and he's got this rock a
he's talking and he's like, oh yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:27:15):
He's like they throw him out here while I'm mothering.
And he walks right past me and he's holding this
thing out and Misty's standing behind me and she's like
oh yeah, and she's reaching out and he hands her
the booger Rock and I'm standing about six feet away.

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
I'm like, I'm gonna kill her because that was supposed
to be mine and I want to at least see
it first. And he gave her the booger rock.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
And I was in chat that night and everybody's laughing
about it. And they just come back from the tree
up they're talking talking about it. So I had this
picture in my mind and I put I typed in
my precious and everybody it went crazy, the like please.
But he finally he finally got.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
Like one month of means about that on the Facebook.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Yeah. So but that's when I knew, like, Okay, they're
not going to kill me, so that they thought I'm funny.
But now, and it's been a wild ride. I mean,
y'all been doing this? How long? Now?

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
The show?

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
The show three years forever?

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Wow? And I think what I started mind a few
months later, it wasn't long maybe a year alter, it
wasn't long. Time gets away. But the some of the
adventures that uh, that we've been on is it's crazy,
and we don't get together much. I think a lot

(01:28:42):
of people think we you know, you're in Western Virginia.
He got on to me, He's not in West Virginia.
You know, Misty's in East Tennessee and Gregg's in North Alabama.
So we can't get together a lot. But it seems
like when you when y'all do or we do, something,
something strange happens. You know. The other night, Flat Rock

(01:29:06):
went to the man Cave and he was telling we
have a call that we do sometimes late at night,
and flat Rock was there at Greggs. And when they
started telling about he went out back to smoke with
the porch light off. I said, oh no, no, no, no,

(01:29:29):
don't do that, and he was shook up. Something grouded
him just around the corner. And that's the corner I'm
scared of because it butts up to the woods and
if you're sitting there, it's a it's an eerie feeling
because you can get got. And we took a picture
the first time I was over there as Mark Green
and Becca and flat Rock was there and Peyton was

(01:29:52):
there and I and Spencer had the issues and couldn't
make it. He broke down in the middle of nowhere
and there was a bad trip. And so I'm standing
there on and I'm at the opening and I got
the creepy feels like the hair standing up on them.
I'm like, y'all right up and taking his picture. I
don't like my back to the woods, but but it's

(01:30:14):
a and that's a wild place. I talked to I
won't say his name, but somebody knows Greg real well.
We we discussed this place for a couple of hours.
One day he was talking about the energy. Uh, talking
about I didn't know that creaked Tea's off into the
bigger river creek. You know, everybody calls him something different,
but it's big. He said, there's a waterfall back there,

(01:30:37):
and you there's a lot of there's a waterfall just
up that that the one that comes in the tea
off right there. I didn't either. I didn't either, and uh,
he says, when he goes there, uh, the energy. After
a couple of days, he feels better. So I don't know.
I know it's got an eerie feel to it, and
I did pick up on that, but to me it does.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
Yeah, oh yeah, for sure, I think so too. But
also then again, at the same time, I know that
boogers are there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
So right, yeah, yeah, And he don't tell everything, but
they visit quite often. And then koombo. He saw one
a while back that was grayish and you know, a
bigger one, so.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Oh yeah, yeah. We had people on live that night
and Greg said he's never seen anything paranormal, but we
were watching the flashes one hundred and fifty feet above
the river in the fog that shouldn't have been there,
and it looked like to me, it looked like that
little burst of energy when you do the the court the.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
Creep creepy mountain in Alabama. Greg was there for that.
But at Mark Green's place, you know, we were seeing
those flashes over on the other side of the pond
and here there, up there, fifteen yards up there, thirty
yards over there, forty five yards. But I've never seen
that before. I have no idea what that was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
And that goes into the strange things we talk about. Now,
could it be normal, you know we say normal paranormal.
It could be something in the ground and the flow
of the water. I've heard stories where scientists have found
you know, sulfur in the water, lithium in the dirt,
and it creates a natural battery type situation under certain conditions.

(01:32:34):
So yeah, I don't think everything's a ghost or everything's no,
you know, not normal. But we don't know them.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
But like whenever people talk about like all lightning or
Saint Elmo's fire or firefox glowing in the you'll see
it in one spot or the other. You don't see
it here than there, than here, than there than there.
It's maybe there's a natural explanation for it that we're overlooking. Uh,

(01:33:05):
I don't know. I just know creepy areas. Whenever you
start seeing creepy things in creepy spots that are known
for creepy things happening in those creepy spots, it's probably
something creepy and you should be paying attention to it. Right.

Speaker 6 (01:33:18):
It's not it's not like it's not as creepy for nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Yeah. Yeah, And you know who knows. I mean, there's
a lot of people that do. And that's why we
have discussion, that's why we we look for guests. Uh.
You know I started doing the show, I was kind
of like down the middle, like how can we all
be a little bit right? And it worked out a
little bit because uh, you know how you know, five

(01:33:41):
years ago you couldn't get the people on this side
and the people on this side together in the same chat.

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
That's right, you know what I mean? Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
And and because we listen, you know, listen without judgment,
that you know what, the main thing that's come out
of that because of the listen listening without judgment, I've
actually learned some stuff. So uh and you know, uh,
we're gonna have Mark Green on next week, and and Mark,
you know, was a very religious man, and you know,

(01:34:13):
I struggled with talking about some of these subjects early on.
Uh And I called Spencer one day. I'm like, man,
I just saw something. And I don't know if because
we're talking about this stuff, are we manifesting things? You know?
I saw the black figure with dog ears and I

(01:34:33):
was I was like, I'm not gonna be afraid of you,
and I kind of like, you know, get gone, get
in my mind, and and all of a sudden, I
got hit. My stomach kind of flipped over, and I
got sick to my stomach, and I had this weird
feeling and then the head changed, changed shapes. It just
kind of went, you know, And I jumped in that
work van and I hit the road. Fifteen minutes later,

(01:34:57):
I'm calling Spencer. I said, oh my god, do we
need to quit talking about this?

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
As people? It's only normal for us to try and
put stuff in a box, at least that's my opinion
of it. We try to rationalize that, we try to
make sense of it and put in a box. And
I just worry that maybe where we are trying to
put two different things or four or five different things
in the same box. We're trying to pound that square

(01:35:23):
peg through a round hole and make it fit. And
you know, the round peg will go through, but the
square peg won't. We keep going at it, and I
just worry that we're confusing different things. In my mind,
it comes down to if you believe in souls, if

(01:35:45):
you believe in God, if you believe in souls, if
you believe in ghosts, if you believe in boogers, if
you believe in dog man, you believe in aliens, if
you believe in any of those, as soon as you
open the door to that, you're opening the door to
a world that we don't understand the how it really works.

(01:36:06):
I mean, you're opening yourself too. Here's something that I
believe in, but I'm not quite sure how it's doing
what it's doing. As soon as you do that, all
bets are off. You don't know what you're dealing with.
Anything is possible. And one of the things I really

(01:36:28):
dislike is the lack of communication and the lack of understanding,
the lack of empathy in the Bigfoot world, because you
if you're in the Bigfoot world, you're in the Bigfoot world.
And then you have people over here going, oh, they're
flesh and blood, and you have people down here going no, no, no,
they're completely spiritual. You have people trying to meet in

(01:36:49):
the middle going, hey, maybe they're flesh and blood, but
they have some mystical, magical things to them. And everybody
is at each other's throats. Nobody is sharing information, nobody
is listening to other well, very few people are listening
to other people. And it's the difference between listening to

(01:37:13):
what somebody says and actually thinking about what somebody else says.
And you can hear somebody, but are you just listening
to them or are you hearing that? And we really
have to do better. We have not come We've not
come very far. In sixty seventy years of like a

(01:37:35):
lot of people looking into the subject, we have not
made much progress. And I think the reason we have
not made much progress is because everybody takes aside. Everybody goes,
I'm on this team or I'm on that team, and
I'm not listening to these other people. That's crazy. What
they're talking about is crazy, and I know the real

(01:37:56):
truth and they don't. We could get over that and
get over ourselves and start comparing notes and having an
open mind, I think we would come further. And there
are people, there are people in this field that are
doing really really impressive stuff and trying new techniques and everything,

(01:38:21):
and kudos to them. I'm not smart enough to think
of this stuff, but at least some of them are
my friends, so they tell me about what they're doing,
and they are trying new stuff, innovative stuff, impressive stuff.
And I also and one more thing on that point.
Sorry Roger, not to go off on tangent.

Speaker 6 (01:38:42):
But no, no, keep going, you're please.

Speaker 4 (01:38:46):
I really don't like people feeling like they can't talk
about their experiences because they didn't have that class a encounter.
I really don't like overlooking people that are like, man,
I talk to people, I talk to people all the time.

(01:39:08):
They're like, I didn't see anything, but I heard this.
I got this really creepy feeling. I had dreams later
on that night about this. And also, like my next
door neighbor's dog went missing. I like talking to those
kind of people because they are putting in the tiny

(01:39:31):
little bit of information like a cop investigating like a
break in over here, well, something that happened at this house.
One month earlier might pertain to that situation, but you
don't know it if you just overlook them because it
happened one month earlier and it's not the same house.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Well, now you see happen. Yeah, and you see a
lot of people investigating on TV. And what always burned
me up was like, I don't understand why Bigfoot with
cross right here, because it doesn't make sense. Spencer Amanda,
Everybody in chat that had any kind of animals know
that different pressures make people and animals do things that

(01:40:16):
they normally don't do. So if it crossed here, go
over there in that neighborhood and see which guy shot
at it, or which it was it stealing chickens? Was
is there a police report from that night? You know.

Speaker 4 (01:40:29):
This from the time of day. Was there prey animal
that went right there? Did this dude have twenty bunnies
that got out of the pen and they all ran
across right there and this thing was following the son
of them. I'm just saying a lot of it is connected,
and we're so arrogant and conceded that we think we

(01:40:50):
know what's going on, and we overlook a lot of
the other information and a lot of the clues because
of our own.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Ego, right, I agree it just and I'm not. I
come into this, as I tell people all the time.
They probably get here tired of hearing me saying it.
I started my show to learn because I figured out, well,
if I have a show, I may not have any guests,
but if I do get one, I can ask the questions.

(01:41:19):
You know, I've been where a Manday is. Amanda's probably
got one hundred questions. And I'm running my mouth. But
you know, we need it. We need a signal, you know,
like but it's all but it's it's been. It's been
pretty wild how this all has has come about. The

(01:41:42):
friendships we've made. Uh, you know, Spencer said earlier, Uh,
you need you don't always need to talk about big Foot.
And that's what we do. Uh, y'all in chat, find
find you some people to to talk about other things.
It helps you know and then and share share with
with your friends. And it's hard. Now that's an easy

(01:42:03):
thing to say, but it is very hard to find
a group to share it with. And I may say
something stupid and spent your laugh at me, but it
gives mister or Greg an idea you know, I'm not
above throwing stupid stuff out there, but sometimes you have
an incident happened, or you talk to a guest or

(01:42:25):
that have certain encounters, they have certain beliefs, and you're like, WHOA,
my mind's a little blown after that interview. Hey, y'all,
what do y'all think about that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
Something that you're saying right there? You know, if you
get into this subject trying to if you're watching YouTube
videos because you're trying to learn about Bigfoot, and your
hope is to get into a group of people that
know something about it, and they're going to take you
out and they're gonna help you find Bigfoot. If you've

(01:42:59):
never experienced anything about it, I would say this, you're
doing it the wrong way. Get in here because it's
a group of people that you could make a friend
with and be happy that you made a friend, and
you and that friend go out and look for boogers.
You don't have to be with people that sound like

(01:43:21):
they know what they're talking about, and it's not all
about Bigfoot. The best thing that I've ever experienced from
the Bigfoot thing is the people that I've met. It's
it I've experienced. I've experienced other stuff that that that
probably maybe could have been maybe not was boogers. The

(01:43:43):
best thing I've gotten from all of this is the
people that I've met. I've met friends that I consider family.
And if you get nothing else but that from this,
it's still a win win, I promise you on that part.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
Yep, and a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
Ill.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
I got a question from Amanda, So, what's a percentage
of the people that share stories with you that they
were out actively looking for Bigfoot or they accidentally ran
into Bigfoot?

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
What?

Speaker 7 (01:44:14):
Oh gracious, it's got to be at least probably ninety percent,
if not even more of people who are not actively
looking for Bigfoot and start anything else, that any other
boogers out there and something happened to them. As compared
to people I don't know if I've actually talked to
anybody who was actively looking for one and has had

(01:44:37):
something happen, not that I can think of off the
top of my head. Anyhow well, I probably have, but
the right people.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Yeah, you see, But to her environment she's in, people
are coming to her. They don't know where else to go.
They probably don't know these little shows exist. They don't
know about the meat and Greeks. They don't know about
the conferences.

Speaker 4 (01:44:58):
Or they probably don't care. They don't care about being
part of a community of people. You know, if if
you were out just going for a hike and you
actually saw all a booger and you had no idea
that that was real, you would be thinking it's a monster,
I don't know what. You would either be confused or

(01:45:21):
terrified most likely, and you probably wouldn't want to talk
about it. You probably definitely wouldn't want to go see
it again. And you know, they're looking, like you said,
they're looking for some kind of confidant, just some kind
of person to talk about it. And then they want
to they want to verify, validate that they're not insane,

(01:45:44):
and then they want to go back to their normal life.
And then you have actually, you have us idiots actually
looking for it, and we have YouTube shows where we're
trying to tell everybody, no, this stuff is real, and no,
but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
And then uh, it's like you can go to certain
places most of the most of the people that come
watch our shows are pretty good, but do not go
to Reddit and talk about Bigfoot. They would absolutely tear you.
But it don't matter. You could talk about Bigfoot or
say I like the forward cars or I like sushi,

(01:46:19):
and you're gonna get torn apart. They don't care. They're
just vicious.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
It's the Internet.

Speaker 6 (01:46:22):
That's what the internet does.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Yeah, that's where they all settled. That's the low. That's
the low, the low spot.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
He's right, horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Don't go looking for information, that's for sure. Uh And
I used to make me mad, but it's kind of
funny now.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
They're good about stock auctions. Yeah, if you're trying to invest,
their good. But yeah, don't say anything about boogers.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Oh they even tear each other apart over that stuff.
Gmy baby with game stop all of them.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
Yeah, yeah, they're the ones that started that whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
Yeah. So anyway, it's it's it changed, what's I don't
know if the words impressive, But the wild part is
how an encounter changes people's lives. And I know you've
talked a lot of people that it changes how you

(01:47:24):
think about thinks or it makes you not know what
to think. And I think that's why a lot of
people gather together together. And we're starting to find out
the more questions you asked to the chat, the people
in Chat and you meet them. We have a lot
of things in common that we wouldn't have thought, you know,
without without asking those questions. So oh me, well, Spencer,

(01:47:48):
it's been almost two hours. I know we don't have
Kombo and Greg on here, so you probably it's it's
almost ten o'clock at your place, so huh, don't see what.

Speaker 4 (01:48:04):
Rogert?

Speaker 7 (01:48:05):
Uh, Oh, you're in trouble.

Speaker 6 (01:48:06):
Now what you do?

Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
He's gonna say seven o'clock. Hats passed?

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
No, I was not, so he missed his job. Well
we're Spencer. Oh he's in bed. But anyway, I appreciate
you come. I know, I know you don't come on
any shows, and I appreciate you coming on. And I
always like your whether you believe it or not. I
like your assessment of things. And and you're actually kind
of smart, which is you know, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:48:38):
You're definitely very knowledgeable and at least especially as far
as the outdoors and.

Speaker 6 (01:48:42):
Stuff like that goes.

Speaker 7 (01:48:43):
So I know that, and he meeking somebody in who's
knowledgeable of the outdoors. And then getting into this not
necessarily because of an experience, but just from a general
entry in it, and then that evolving into experiences that's

(01:49:04):
definitely a unique mindset to have.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
And and speaking of that, y'all that came in late,
we did do a tribute to doctor Mildrium, and that's
that's kind of what he did, and that's why he
was valuable because he didn't see one or whatever. He
started in analyzing evidence and that's what Spencer has had
encounters and stuff, and people like you said, oh, well,

(01:49:29):
I don't want to tell my story because it wasn't
a scary class A.

Speaker 7 (01:49:32):
Well, all of them are important.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
Everything is important. Tell somebody, write it down, Write it
down so you remember it, and in ten years from now,
tell us, you.

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
Know, for my show, for for Squatch and holler, for
anybody that we are associated with. I would say, any
kind of encounter that you've had, don't care how impressive
it was. You you're part of the collective.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
Halt.

Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
We're all in this together. We're all looking for the answers.
And I mean, maybe, you know, maybe we're not the
greatest people to tell it to you because we're not
going to come up with the answers, but you should
reach out to us, to one of us, to somebody
that we know, somebody we're associated with, because at least

(01:50:26):
we are trying to understand the subject. We're not coming
at it from a point of view of we know
the answers to the subject, and we just want to
have you on to have a show that gets a
bunch of use and everything. You know, most of us,
most of the people that I know, Roger and Amanda

(01:50:46):
definitely some of the group that I'm talking about. We
want to actively hear what you've experienced, So please don't
hesitate on that end of it. And for everybody out
there that actually thinks that they have all the answers
on this kind of stuff, right, I'm willing to be
proven wrong. Come show, show me and let me uh,

(01:51:11):
let me see what you got. I want to hear
from everybody. I'm not trying to prove everybody wrong. I
want to hear from everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
And and what we have to remember also, people are
so critical, or used to be. They're not quite as
critical anymore. But coming from the Sheriff's department, and I
was being groomed to be a deputy or or hopefully
a detective. One day it didn't work out there. You
have to be a special person to do that job.
But sitting in the interrogation rooms and watching and listening

(01:51:42):
to folks and watching the guys do their reports, and
having four witnesses to the same thing, then they all
have different accounts of it, you know, similar, you know,
So be easy on somebody, y'all. If somebody saw a
big foot, it's probably terrified them to the core. If
they come out and tell their story, be easy on them.
I mean, don't you know if they oh and ah

(01:52:04):
and maybe they get it out of order or whatever,
it's a it's a terrifying thing. So just just just
listen to them.

Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
Misty's over there quoting now right now in the comments.

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
Miss what's bad is I understand Misty's accent because most people,
older people here in these hills talk like East Tennessee
back in the day, so I know North Georgia probably
has some great accents.

Speaker 4 (01:52:31):
Oh yeah, Rogers, thanks for having me on. If we
get off track.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
No you're no, no, no, no, that's that's the thing.
You know this, Amanda knows this. Most people that know us,
we we can't get on the porch around the fire
and talk. This is our version of it, and anything goes.
We're we're regular people and we just want answers, and
if you have answers, we I like seeing the chat.

(01:53:01):
You know, some people have some really good, really good
thoughts or whatever, and I'll kind of jot them down
and I'll be googling later, you know. So we love everybody.
I really needed this after this week and today, and
you know, I've been a personal I lost my favorite
aunt last weekend and then I thought, well, this week

(01:53:22):
could be better and then so here we go. But
thank y'all for being here, because without y'all, we couldn't
do this. I think we would still be gathering and
talking about it somewhere. But I enjoy I enjoy everybody.
So thank you, Amanda.

Speaker 7 (01:53:40):
Yes, thank you boys. It was good to finally meet you,
even if it was through cyberspace. Here Spencer, Hopefully I
can get to meet you in person one day.

Speaker 4 (01:53:49):
Oh yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am. We'll do another meet and
greet here, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
All right, y'all next week, Mark Green is going to
be on with us. You don't want to miss that
at all.

Speaker 6 (01:54:00):
Yeah, I'm excited for that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Uh. Probably one of the best people I've ever met,
I would think, and y'all probably have seen him the
ones that don't know seen him on a flash of
beauty and uh, he lives close to Creepy Mountain and
that came from finding Bigfoot and that's a funny story.
We'll let him tell that. But anyway, y'all have a

(01:54:24):
great weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:54:26):
Thank you, shut so y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:54:29):
Good night, y'all.

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