Squatchin' Holler #7 Alabama Encounters: Bigfoot and Dogman Close to Home with Mark Green

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Squatching Holler.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
In the midst where the trees lean loop, Squatching Hollers
gotta tell the show.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Wisps creep like creature's faint out.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Every shadows got a secret to grow?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Monsters rise? Where the stories are told?

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Squatching Hollow Where the legends are born?

Speaker 5 (00:50):
Are they?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Are they gone? Who can say?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
In the hollow of the truth just slips huge footprints
faed where the creek runs than lantern sways. Let the

(01:22):
search beak rustling leaves. But there's no one there, is
it the wind or the beast? You fear?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Everywhere goes a question.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Every Russell's a clue.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Spotching Holly's got its eyes on you.

Speaker 6 (01:39):
Monsters those the stories are torn spots?

Speaker 7 (01:44):
And how where the legends are born?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Are they? Are they gone?

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Who can say.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
They are not?

Speaker 6 (01:59):
And now if you're Squatching Holler hosts Roger Williams, Amanda Stowers,
and Ashley Raymonds. Remember this podcast can be downloaded everywhere
great podcasts are found. And now the show.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Hello, Hello, it worked. I'm always, uh, you know, surprised
when things work because I'm such a low tech dude.
So how are you, Amanda?

Speaker 7 (02:36):
I am good? Roger how are you tonight?

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Doing good?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Been a long day, been all all over Heather Header,
I serger you this morning, and we got back and
took a nap, So she's doing good. We We got
Mark Green on tonight, y'all. And when when you meet people,
you just get a feeling about them, and Mark's one

(02:59):
of those guys. If y'all don't know him, he's a
super good, super good man. And the the stories you
hear tonight, and and some of the stories you can
go watch him on other shows or documentaries. He's been
on Flash of Beauty, which was really cool. Take you

(03:20):
Take It to the Bank, and it's and it's it's
nice to have friends like that.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
And we we've become friends, I think, uh and Amanda,
I'm glad.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'm glad that y'all get to meet tonight.

Speaker 7 (03:33):
Actually, I am actually very excited to meet Mark tonight
because I've heard nothing but great things about him as
I'm you know, building my quote unquote friend group of
squashers here, and so yeah, I'm very excited to meet him.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Now, don't now, don't get it twisted up. Beca's the boss.
I see her backstage, good for year. You love her?

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Too. Now.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I was watching a video with Mark and he was
way back in the woods and he was up on
the mountain, and it hit me. You know, people all
the time, the people that come in, they'll say, well,
where do they hide? Because we're used to you know,
house after house after house. You know, even in the
country here nowadays it's still you know, it's growing. But

(04:30):
I did a little bit of digging and where Mark
is around Talladega National Forest, there's just a little over
three hundred and ninety two thousand acres in that one area,
and Bankhead is one hundred, one hundred and eighty one thousand.
And then I'm like, okay, so let's just go ahead.

(04:51):
And the United States there's one hundred and ninety three
million acres of national forests and government controlled land. So
when you when you come in and you say, you
ask these questions, and and the questions are great. Right,
new people come in, they have questions where do they hide? Well,

(05:12):
there there are plenty of places to hide. And Mark
can tell you it doesn't it doesn't have to be
really remote because he's taking reports from people that have
them around their home in a popular area. So we'll
we'll get Mark in here, and y'all, thank y'all for

(05:33):
being here. I see all y'all. We've got our family,
our bigfoot family here tonight, uh as most nights. So
let's bring Mark in. Hello, mister green.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Becca.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
How you doing, Miss Becca? Have you a seat?

Speaker 4 (05:51):
What you what you?

Speaker 7 (05:52):
I'm just taking care of animals.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
So I just want to I went on, she's farmstead.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Ye, yeah, gotta gotta keep Mark fed. That's got to
keep me fed.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
All right, Good to see you.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
I hope when y'all was talking, it was going crazy
out here with cy reins and I don't I don't
know what was going on, but something back in Yonder.
So I'm waiting here, hope somebody's house for something on fire.
But yeah, that's that way.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
So I used to, you know, we we we had
a stroll on interstate for thirty years, and and your
people they get caught in traffic and they're like, they
get they're get they're caught up in the and and
they might be laid or whatever, and they complain and
they're they're kind of mad about it. And a lot
of times we don't think somebody else is having a

(06:52):
worse day than you because they're the reasons the emergency
service is read in that way. So and then driving
to Nashville to day, it's you're lucky to make it
back and forth. So but Mark, I know we've talked
a lot and in a lot of a lot of
your encounters, like the very first one, you know, I know,

(07:17):
it shook you up and it made you curious about
these things. And one of the there's two points to
that first encounter you had while you were hunting that
I found interesting. That was the first time I believe
i'd heard anybody talk about the bigfoot, you know, or
the boogers dropping on all fours to get away, you know,

(07:39):
make a quick getaway. And really interesting is when you
said it had flipped its hair over its eyes and
it was looking through the hair hanging down to kind
of hiding the hiding the nose and the eye region
right right.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
So yeah, uh, you had. You know, I'm going to
heard one or two more people I think on Paul
casts talking about the hair being hung over their face,
and one of them was PJ that one that she's saying,
and there's somebody else was talking about that, but I
can't remember who exactly that was. Talking about that, and

(08:19):
that was the.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Skunk ape story that the other person was telling.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Maybe it may have been I remember a little bit.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I don't don't. I can't. I can't remember.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
I remember one on about want to say it's one
of the small Town Monsters documentaries, or maybe it was
that Bob Gimmling guy on YouTube that he talks about
one and about ninety percent sure it was.

Speaker 7 (08:43):
Maybe it's in the falk monster area where it was
had the long, stringy hair in front of its face,
but at night they were able to still see the
glowing eyes under and through the hair. So every time
I talk about it, I just remember whatever like animated
visual that they used in that, and it's no.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
And I know some people are like, woll why are
you focusing on that?

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Well, anything that that shows a little bit of elevated intelligence,
uh and and knowledge of camouflage.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
I mean, I don't know of any animals that would
personal person uh on purposely do that a conscious thought
to hide that area. And when Mark said that that
day was I got goosebumps.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah, I couldn't tell face features. Uh, it was all
just you know, it reminded me of the some of
the teenagers. You know that some of the haircuts they
have were the hair covers most of their face, you know,
and they had to move the hair where they can
see the walk. And that's what it kind of reminded
me of. And uh and and then the all fours

(09:56):
going down on the ground. When it went down, I
really realized how fast these things were. Well, right at
that moment, I didn't really realize what I was looking at.
But what I'm saying, over time, I really have realized
they have the speed they can catch it deer if
they want to catch it deer. There's no way that

(10:18):
they can move when they need to move. And I
mean that one shot shot out of there like a rocket,
you know, and you know he was covering some territory
in a hurry. So yeah, that that is uh. And
I haven't heard too many other people talk about seeing
them run on all fours too much either. You've heard
some here and there. Uh, you know, most people's encounters

(10:41):
is them on two legs walking off or something like that.
So we do believe that was probably the juvenile the
late tal Banco. That's what me and him discussed. And
my friend Keith used to do a lot of bigfoot research,
and we feel that was a juvenile that I was

(11:04):
looking at that day and.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
I I saw you talking about Taw. Of course, he
passed away years, you know, before I met y'all, and
I would have liked to talk to him. You know,
it's sad when when years of and I don't care
who it is and any it's sad when people pass away,
but it's really sad when you have that lost knowledge.

(11:27):
But at least he left behind some books and and
stuff for everybody to read.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
And you know, he was a good guy. I wish
a lot of people in the bigfoot world now would
have really got to meet him. He had a lot
of insight. He started off flesh and blood, but later
on he comes to realization too that there was more

(11:53):
to them. In fact, he's the first man that ever
called me and told me that he seen one possibly cloak,
and he said, I can't blieve my eyes, you know so,
But and that was about the time we started having
a lot of other strange things happening that wasn't making

(12:13):
sense out of the norm for what we'd been dealing with.
And and that's too when I started saying, well, there's
something more to them too. There's a lot of agreement there,
and we were probably talking about that long before this
has really been brought up. I can't remember when when

(12:35):
this stuff really started getting brought up, but I think
we were already kind of going off in that direction
before a lot of it was talked about on YouTube
or Facebook or wherever. Because it didn't surprise me when
I started seeing people talk about it. You know, I think, well,

(12:56):
some other people are starting to figure it out too.
You know there's something else to this, you.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Know, well, and there's a difference between people who get
out in the field and you know, you've got several
You've got people that happen up on a big foot
or whatever, and then you have people that are researching
and spend decades because you find that a lot after
a first sighting it just I know what it does

(13:20):
to you. Some people push it back, but man, you're
right there in the thick of it. So I know
You've talked to people from all over the Southeast, I'm sure.
And one thing that amazes me. The first time I
met you and Becco was at Greg's man Cave. We

(13:41):
were standing on the porch and you were showing me
or she was showing some pictures from your home area
there and I was scrolling through and there was one
that I stopped and I'm like, Mark, have you ever
seen that picture that Barton Nunley drew? And then and

(14:05):
I'm like that that looks it didn't look like a
bigfoot to me. It looked like that drawing and bringing
that up. You had a pretty scary encounter just a
few weeks ago. And I know you've told it. I
haven't heard it.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
I've talked to you a little bit but or texted,
but can you give us like.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Like where you were and what happened that day? I
know it has to be it has to be mind boggling,
because a booker is one thing, but you it kind
of looks like something that we may we may see
in a science book or in a movie or whatever,
but what you saw, that's a totally different thing. To me,

(14:53):
it kind of scares me.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, let me back up that way before I go
into that day. That way you kind of get kind
of what was happening. We had a fire pit, you know,
we have our monthly fire pit here at our home.
That would have been the first weekend in August We

(15:19):
had a pretty good crowd that night, and a pretty
good crowd had several people that had walked off toward
my pond to smoke and back. This early spring, I
lost a couple of trees on my wood line. They're
laying out in my field and I've been slowly working
on them, and they happened. They got my attention. They said, hey,

(15:43):
come here, and I walked down to where they were
at and they said, there's something in one of those
tree tops. Now, of course the trees laid on the ground,
but it's still got leaves on it. They said, there's
something black looking moving around in that treetop. Then I
went to focusing in and we did see movement. They

(16:05):
took several pictures. You can tell there's something there. Now
what it is, we really don't know because it's pretty
good peace over there. So I'm thinking in my head, well,
this is probably the boogers. They're back. August is when
August September is when I have a lot of stuff
happened here at the house. That's when my corn patch

(16:27):
pictures happened. That time was in August. We found a
lot of footprints around August September before in fact, that's
when a lot of stuff was going on around the
house is during that time period. So that Saturday night,
seeing that everybody left, I was out here cleaning up,

(16:49):
didn't notice anything. I did take my thermal and scan
the woodline and scanned around where I live. I didn't
really see nothing, So I said, well, I don't really
know what that was, but if possible, it could have
been a boomer. Nothing happened that rest of the week.
I had to work Monday and Tuesday, and then I

(17:11):
was off Wednesday Thursday, had to go back on Friday.
So this year I didn't plant no big corn patch
or a big water mountain patches. Planted a small one
up here next to the house. So I've been trying
to keep that field disc on a regular basis, keep
the morning glories killed. I got some ground cheer. It's

(17:32):
different stuff trying to come up out there, and I'm
trying to keep them down, not letting them see it out,
you know. And I had went out there about two
o'clock that afternoon. It's on Thursday, and I had plowed
one direction and then I turned and started plowing the
other direction. I was pretty close to being done it's

(17:53):
getting closed. Around four o'clock, I would probably got within
maybe one hundred and something feet of the woodline, heading
toward the woodline. About that time, two buck deer come
busting out of that woodline at full stride. And if
you know you've seen deer at full stride. When they

(18:16):
are full stride, buddy, they covered some ground. Now, these
two bucks were heading right toward me. It's like they
didn't even see the tractor or didn't care or whatever.
I'm going like, what, you know, I'm thinking, like, what
in the world is these two deer coming at me?
Like it's for They get within about fifty sixty feet
of me and they do a broad turn on me

(18:38):
and go to my neighbor's property. So I'm sitting here,
you know, I'm in the open field. So I'm watching them,
letting the tractor roll on, watch them enter to the woodline,
and they had their tails up. I mean, you could
tell these deer or wanting out of there. When I
turned my head back forward, of course, I done probably

(19:01):
covered fifty sixty feet or even more, and I was
a lot closer to the woodline. There's an opening there,
not no big opening, but there's opening there, and this
land behind my field is a cutover that was the
timber was cut last year, so it's come up in
a lot of weeds. They're sixty seven foot tall. But

(19:25):
when I looked through that opening, I could see a
solid black object looking back at me. I could tell
it was lined up with me. At first I thought
a booger. Then it turned. When it turned is when
I was able to see the head on. It had

(19:48):
a short muzzle, not no long muslim it is a
short musclem And then I could see the little bit
of ears. They wasn't huge years. This thing was solid black,
I mean jet black as you can get. It didn't
show its teeth, it didn't do anything. It just turned slowly.

(20:10):
I could see its profile, and then it turned and
went into the weeds and disappeared. Did not see a tail.
All I could really see was part of the arms,
the shoulder of the head. This don in here did
look kind of barrel chested. And then from there what

(20:33):
I could tell may have been smaller, but it was
hard to tell. Of course, I'm going, uh, you know,
of course I come straight to the house. I turned
the tractor, brought the tractor on. I come on up here,
got off the tractor, called Rebecca, told her, I said, hey,

(20:54):
I think I just seen possible a doll man mm hmm.
And then me and her talk to me. Of course
she is at work. She couldn't talk long. So I
called Spencer thought with Spencer a little bit about it.
I told him what was going on, and he says,
you know, he said, well, he said, that's kind of
what it sounds like. Of course, that night, I was

(21:19):
a little nervous. We've done a live at night. We
had our Thursday night live, but we're having to do
her live on Thursday night one week, Friday on another
because the way I'm working now, and we want to
keep our lives going because of the prayer list and
all that. And so we're done a live at night.

(21:40):
And then I'm going to tell you that it really
started working on me. The longer I thought about it,
the more I guess you'd want to say, anxiety started
kind of working in on me.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
Yeah, probably started setting in.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
I got a little emotional on that video that night.
When you see things like this, you know, the first
time I've seen a booger, Yeah, you know, reality check.
You know, I had a reality check seen a few more.
They hadn't really done nothing towards you harmful. I mean,
they do their little things, but you know, nothing real

(22:20):
harmful towards you. You know, I'm looking at something that
I've heard a bunch of the people cutting, how aggressive
they are, how they want to attack people. So, you know,
I'm thinking, here, here I am. I've got farm animals,
I got a wife, I got you know, dogs, I

(22:40):
got neighbors. You know, so I'm thinking all this. You
know what am I going to do here? You know?
How am I going to handle this situation? Later on,
I did talk to Coombo and Troy and a few others,
Gary and a few other folks about it. That's dealt
a little bit more of a doll man now. A

(23:02):
few people even said it could have been a gugway
that I was looking at. Of course, they said if
it was a gugway, I'd probably know it pretty quick
because I'd probably hear about animals and stuff in my
area even possible, mind start going missed. So far, none
of that has happened. I went back to my corn

(23:27):
patch pictures from a couple of years ago. I know
a lot of people seen them and there's one picture
in there, and that picture you're talking about, were there
a litoks like a bigfoot that has a bucket head.
That's what I called it, the bucket head bigfoot, because
it's just got a look like a bucket on its head.
But when you scan over to the right side of

(23:49):
that picture, there is a canine looking creature over on
the right side with a big old head. And this
thing here a big old head too. I mean, this
head did not look proportional on with its body. It
almost looked like its head was just too big for
its body. I should have said that water go, But

(24:09):
I mean its head was just too big. I mean
that thing was huge when it was facing me, and
you couldn't tell it that much. When it turned, I
could really see the outline.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Kind of loan from the back of this gold to the.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Say, maybe probably about like that, I would say, good
foot and half, probably maybe even a little bigger. Of course,
I'm looking at it from probably at the time when
I seen it, it was probably a good twenty five
yards inside that cut over from me. And I think
one reason it stood out real well that day everything's

(24:51):
down there green. This green is it can get and
here you are, the solid black object. Also, the sun
was in behind it. Of course I had shade to
my advantage that day because the trees that's on the
woodline were put in shade toward me. But you know,
that sun was just making it shine. Like I mean,

(25:14):
it couldn't help but be seen.

Speaker 7 (25:15):
You know, you talked about its head being so big
and disproportionate. Was you able to see any kind of
neck or was it just almost just I don't know
how to describe, like one big thing there with the muzzle.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, it looked more like one big thing. I couldn't
really see a neck.

Speaker 7 (25:34):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
And all this happened probably within when I turned and
looked it looked at me, it turned and it walked
into that brush. So you're talking probably a good seven
eight seconds, maybe maybe ten at the most. I mean,
that's how quick this happened.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Would you say it was more humanish shoulders? Shoulders or
canine ish shoulders.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Look more humanist to me? But as arms were down,
so I can't really you know, but did it did
look like the chest area was kind of bigger, right,
you know, kind of puffed up a little bit, you
know what I could tell me and Rebecca went back

(26:20):
and done a video a few days like well, it
was about a week later. We went down on a
Sunday morning. I got off work and I told her
that I said, let's go ahead and do a live.
I apologize everybody for the audio that day. I did
not realize our mics had to stay that close to
the phone, and sometimes I would get forty to fifty

(26:41):
foot ahead of her. Nobody could hear what I was saying.
And we did not realize at the time that that
mic had to stay pretty close to the phone we
had it plugged into. But we went out there. We
walked into the cutover and that there was a good
trail there. You could tell the deal have been really
using that trail where it was standing. And everybody got

(27:06):
a good look what that cutover looked like how tall
the weeds were, because I walked in there some and
you could tell a lot of them are taller than me.
And and I'm figuring this thing was in about the
seven foot range, because it did seem like its head
was a little bit above some of the weeds. Course
I'm six one. When I went in there, some of

(27:27):
the weeds were above me. When I stepped in there
that day, even though Rebecca was right behind me, I
was still nervous because I really could tell that something
could ambush you very easily in there. Thick as that
stuff was you, it would be on top of you

(27:49):
before you could even think about it. When I got
to really looking to see how thick it was and there,
it had really really growed up over the summer. Plus
we had all that rain in the spring and summer
and it just really made the weeds and briars and
all that stuff come up out there. So you know,

(28:10):
like I said, it could be on top of you
in just a second and you never know it was there.
But since then, there's been a little odd things happening,
but not nothing really scary or really what you would

(28:31):
call threatening. Been We found fewer gates open out around
the barns. Sister has been getting tore up at night
a little bit especially, it seems like a night time
at work.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
And for y'all that don't know sisters, they're sweet dogs.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, he's been getting tore up. Now she ain't barking,
she's doing her growling, doing a deep growling, which is
it's different you live as a dog or a cat
out here or a person. She has a squill barket
about bust your ear drum. When she lets off with it,
this is more of a deeper rumble, and she kind

(29:15):
of bristles up, and it's usually toward the window. I
sleep the closest to by side. The bed's pretty close
to a winder and Rebecca said, a lot of nights
sister will lay in my spot when I'm at work,
and a lot of nights she'll stand up right there
and just go staring at that window, growling. A few

(29:39):
weeks ago, I was on with old Line Kryptis with
Jeff and Jerry about nine thirty going on toward ten.
That night, I've been here little odd noises out here?
Why and just like to now, that's one reason I'm
out here doing it out here is because it's possible
something could, you know, take place. I begin to learned

(30:00):
that every time we have a live or do something
out here, a little weird things start happening. So that
night I kept hearing little noises like something was falling.
I was thinking, acrons out of the trees. I mean,
we're in a real dry spell right now in Alabama.
We finally got a little rain last night, but it
didn't do enough to help anything. So acrons and leaves

(30:22):
are dropping pretty good now. So during the show, I'm thinking, well,
that's acrons. But Sister was sitting out here with me,
and I noticed Sister sometimes was set up and just
start staring around, which is not unusual she does that song.
But on in the show, all of a sudden I

(30:43):
heard something like something got throwed and I could hear
it coming through the leaves of the trees, and it
fell right over here behind me, right behind where I'm sitting,
about the same spot I was that night, right over
here behind me, toward the trucks. You'll probably see one
of the trucks the reflection off of it over Now,
something hit over and there behind me. I heard it.

(31:06):
Sister heard it because she looked behind me, and then
she went to staring at the corner of my shop,
which is just right yonder. I had a flashlight with me,
I had my thermal. I did turn the light on
a few times, just kind of peeping around. I didn't
see anything. I mean, right after I got off the
show with Jerry and them, I did take my thermal

(31:30):
and really start scanning around and I did hit one
heat signature down at the woodline, but I think I'm
pretty sure it may have been a deer, but I'm
not home since sure it was there for a second,
didn't disappear, but it was a blog, That's all I
can say it was. It disappeared back into that cutover

(31:54):
went on in the house. I told Rebecca. She she
was in the bed on me to come in, and
I told her, I said, we may have some stuff
happened in that well later on there tonight sister did
get up and growl again on up about two o'clock
in the morning, that deep groul toward that window. Rebecca

(32:17):
pointed something out to me this week that I hadn't
really caught. Uh, there's a little trail right there coach
to my coming up toward my window. We have thea's
and some other bushes planted there. Of course, we got
a water hydrant there too, but I don't go to
that water hydrant much to turn it on. But there's

(32:39):
something that has walked up there several times because it
has mashed down everything, and.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
That takes more than two or three times to do it.

Speaker 7 (32:48):
Does Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Wow? Yeah, So.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
That's I.

Speaker 7 (32:58):
Say, I don't know if that would be cool or
spooky or both, or something you don't want around right.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Well, I mean since me and her had moved here
in two thousand and night thing the first year, I
did not notice nothing going on here. I didn't even
think about it. They've showed up. The boogers have showed
up several other places I've lived, which I've stayed within
two miles or three miles of Creepy Mountain, which is

(33:28):
my main research area. So I've always been close to
where the mountain is.

Speaker 7 (33:33):
Is that its actual name or is that the name
that you've given it?

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Hey, you tell her that Quicktoria, how that got the name?
It's funny. It's a funny story.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
I'm like, no, I'd love to hear it. I'm familiar
with it.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Go ahead, Mark, I love his story.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Well, really, how it got started was when finding Bigfoot
come here in twenty thirteen. I had a friend that
was a research partner with us, a lot Adams, very
good audio man. In fact, that's what his college degree
is is in in audio and stuff, and that was

(34:13):
his big thing, was doing audios. And we had a
guy catch a thermal. He has passed away. Now. Paul
Huntsley he caught a thermal from Creepy Mountain back in
twenty twelve, and it's called a Creepy Mountain thermal where
he caught a upright figure standing in the woodline right

(34:34):
there at the camp. I was not there that night.
I was at work with some of my other friends
were there and that's what they caught when finding Bigfoot come.
Of course, we didn't want to call it the real
name of the place, so Adam he said, well, this

(34:56):
place is creepy, so we're just gonna call it Creepy
mount you know, And that's kind of where the name
come in, and it's stuck from then on and we
all just call it Creepy Mountain. Of course that's not
the real name, and a lot of people know what
the real name is and they know where it's at.
But it is private land. It has gates on it,
and of course we got cameras at the gates, and

(35:17):
of course it's a hunting club, so there's a lot
of people in and out up there, especially during hunting season.
But now in the summer, places about dead is a door.
Now there is a lake up ear that the few
people go fish at and stuff. So it's about ten
thousand acres. Now, that ain't the whole club no more.
We lost a lot of land, but one I'm getting

(35:39):
at is ten thousand acres of nothing but woods right
there in one spot. And then you're taking everything around
it that is privately owned. I'm gonna say we're getting
on up to fifteen twenty thousand acres pretty easy. Of course.
The rest of it is row crop land, pasture, hay fields,

(36:00):
a lot of woods, a lot more ponds and lakes.
And then you south. If you leave off that mountain
and start walking to you south, you could go for
forty to fifty miles through pretty much nothing but woods.
House here, house there occasionally.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Right south of it is a bunch of timber property
that's owned by Timber Company, and they've got thousands thousands
of acres in there, and so I mean it's a
very good spot for something to head south. But that's
how Creepy Mountain came about. Was we were trying to

(36:38):
come up with a name. And everybody's been up there
to that fa real quick. That's a creepy place.

Speaker 7 (36:45):
Name sounds like the works for it.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Is that the area that we were talking about earlier
where you had all of the structures, the tree structures
and yes, uh okay, yeah, uh that's what. Do you
remember what the name of that video was? That that
was the guy's shot that you they were really looking
at a lot of those I watched it today. I

(37:08):
can't I should have wrote that down, but y'all, just y'all, please,
you know, when the show's over all you have to
do is go to YouTube or even the Internet and
put in, like Mark Green and Bigfoot or whatever, creepy
Mountain and a lot of stuff will show up, and
you'll get to see when he's talking about fifty miles

(37:29):
of nothing, he's I mean, he's up on the ridges
or up on the mountains, and you can see it
out there. I'm like, Creepy Mountain looks like a mole
hill from where you're standing. In one spot, you pointed.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Out up on Skyway, which is out inside. They canna
the forest going up towards Tea Hall. There's a road
up on top. Uh, six hundred dash one. I'll tell
everybody what it is. And you have six hundred dash two.
You can pretty much stay on a dirt road, a

(38:01):
rough dirt road, you need to for a drive on
most of the part of of that. Then it comes
out right at Chea Hall. You'll get on a paved
road for a little while, go through Chea Hall State Park,
and then we get on up to Heflin. You can
get back on another dirt road and go way up
through Chaka Lauka, Nash Wildlife Area and come out at Piedmont, Alabama,

(38:24):
or right there close to Rome, Georgia, which is close
to From here to Piedmont, it's about eighty ninety miles,
So you're talking about a ton of woods from where
I live at in Silicaga all the way up to Piedmont, Alabama,

(38:46):
right on the Georgia Alabama state line there close to
Rome in Cedartown. And then when you get on up
and there's a ton of woods too around Rome and
Cedar towns where Rebecca's from. She's a she's a Georgia girl.
So mhm uh. I called them Georgia mites. They might
get mad at me when I call them. Now where

(39:08):
that come in is. I used to work at the
marble quarries here in Silicago, and the company we were
owned by was Georgia Marble Company, which is based out
of Rowviell, Georgia. They have mines are all around Tape, Georgia,
Marble Hill and uh LJ and uh. Then they have
a bunch down in South Georgia around Sandersville Deep Steps.

(39:29):
So I used to have to go visit some of
those plants and uh, the little boys that worked over
we called them Georgia mitts. They get some mad at us,
but they started calling us Outabama mit So that's the
fun part about coworkers.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
You can pretty much get by with anything. Well, I
know you've probably taken hundreds and hundreds of bigfoot reports,
uh since you started investigating. Now, I really didn't plan
there's been a dog man show, but we've had some
stuff happened recently and some evidence shared with us recently

(40:06):
in the past few months, and then this week that
kind of blew my mind a little bit. But how
many dog men reports have you taken? Approximately? Can you
tell us about a cuple one or two of those
if you.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Have, Well, there's two in particular, and one of them
and both of them come from the same area from
two different people that did he know it. The first
one was that this guy contacted me he'd seen the
YouTube channel. He contacted me. We talked on the phone,

(40:47):
and it's up ver close to the little town called Lincoln, Alabama,
which is on I twenty. In fact, I work up
her too. I worked within two miles where he had
his sighting. That area is very populated and it's growing,
but there's still a lot of woods around it, a
lot of farmland, and there's a river there. But when

(41:10):
he contacted me and I called and talked to him,
basically he went to spend the night with his girlfriend.
He got up the next morning a little bit for
daylight because he had to work at day which was
about six am. When he come out, it's already daylight
where this little road comes out where his girlfriend and

(41:32):
some other houses already are down on the river. And
he got this long dirt road. It comes back to
the pave road where when he got to the paved road,
straight across the road is a pasture, a little small pastures.
I've been over and looked at the pastor I have went.
I haven't went and actually talked to the landowner. I
just went down the paved road stopped there where the

(41:53):
guy told me what happened. There's one long pine tree
out there where he said this thing was standing. But
when he got to the end of the driveway fixing
turn on the pavement, he looked straight across and he said,
probably a six or seven foot tall thing on two legs.
It had a dog head, and it scared him half death.

(42:17):
He took on off. He said it was a brown color.
He took off. When he got to work. He caught
his girlfriend. Told her but to pay attention, but he
said it, I mean far as it doing anything. He
just stood still and watched it. He said, he didn't move.

(42:38):
He may have looked at it, he said, maybe for
ten or fifteen seconds, and he took off. He said,
he just sit chill, blunts over him. I haven't talked
to him but one more time since then, because I've
asked him as he still go over there, and he said,
of course, And he said, I can't never get my
mind off that pine tree. He said, every time I

(42:59):
get there, I'm looking at a pine tree and witness.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
And we talked all the time about you know, Amanda,
I believe you said a visceral response like your body,
like you know, it's something you're not supposed to be
looking at, and it just and we get and you know, Spencer,
I think he always said the creepy feels and we
all have other we all have other names for it,
but we all know what it feels like.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
And yeah, we.

Speaker 7 (43:25):
May all have different names for it, but we all
know what that feeling is.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah. And if he would and for example, if he
would have pulled up and looked over and there's been
a there been a black bears standing there, he wouldn't
have had that response. His body was you know, uh,
something known you normally you don't now I have. You know,
I remember the first time I saw bald eagle here. Uh,
they weren't supposed to be here. I remember the excitement.

(43:50):
I remember the first mountain line shocked me, Uh, we're
not supposed to have him here, and almost hit one
in my Mustang one night. But it it doesn't compare
to some of these feelings that that people you know,
come to us and tell us about, or we've had ourselves.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
So wow, well this guy hasn't seen anything since. So
that that's my actual first doll Man diding report that
I that I got to talk to somebody about about
three maybe. Well that was in late summer, so Yeah,

(44:34):
about February, I was contacted by somebody else. So we're
talking about six seven month time period. I was talked, uh,
had somebody else. In fact, we were dearing alive at
night and he was wanting me to talk to so
I gave him my email. We started talking about email,
and I asked him and he went to explaining, and

(44:55):
I said, Lord, have mercy. I said this, this guy
is only a mile away from more of that other
siding was really now I'm going out. Okay, we've got
something going on here. Now we've got something happening here.
So me and him really went to talking deeper. I've
been up to his place three or four times. There's

(45:17):
some very odd stuff up here. He's got a lot
of pictures. Some pictures it is hard to tell then
there some is just right in your face what you're
looking at. Plus he's got a lot of paranormal going
on with that place. It's just a ton of stuff
going on on that property there. Uh, and a lot

(45:38):
of us just hard to explain. I mean, I don't
know what to really do with it. And I told him, Matt,
you know, I told him, I I don't really know
what to tell you. About all this stuff. So yeah,
you know, because I'm learning it too, and I'm still
learning every day.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
And you know what, what when it happens to you
is when you're you're aware of it. You know that
people you trust and love have told stories. But when
it happens to you, you know, I don't know if
you've told this story or not. And you may kick
my tail next time you see me, but you remember
you contacted me about because I've had paranormal stuff happen.

(46:18):
And you you saw that guy walking down the road
and he disappeared in front of you. Oh yeah, yeah,
and that kind of shook you up.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Yes, I did.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
So when you see something that you don't have an
explanation for, there you go again, it's not supposed to happen.
But but your area though, Mark, I mean, dang, every
time we either go down that way or or have
a gathering that we're lucky enough to go to, or
or y'all do, and we're not there something and and

(46:50):
and and it's not like oh, it's an anecdotal like
well we saw this or heard that. We're getting stuff
on on audio, getting stuff on video and pictures, you know,
so it's it's a unique area. I just put it
that way.

Speaker 7 (47:06):
It definitely is. Just recently here, i'd say probably in
the last six months or so total at the museum,
there's been so many reports of people who from Alabama
come in, not necessarily new ones, but you know ones
that people are sharing stuff that has happened. And the

(47:26):
area is there that you're describing, Mark, That's exactly what
I'm hearing up here too in North Georgia. So definitely
definitely an interesting area for sure.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
The secrets getting out it is.

Speaker 7 (47:39):
Yeah, Alabama's I hate to use the word Alabama squatchy.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
I guess yeah, Well, I mean it is, it is.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
It is, and and uh there's y'all. Uh there's things
going on all the time. And I'll mention this. I
talked to the guy that has been involved in the
I'll just say North Alabama, there was a neighborhood over
two nights. There were several now on one calls just

(48:09):
a few weeks ago. The deputies were going out there.
The people were having rocks thrown up on top of
their houses. One lady had a pictures beating off the
wall from the outside. One guy shot at what he
said was a booger, a grayish booger. I don't know

(48:31):
whether we don't have the details yet, whether the thing
went crazy before or after the gunshot, but I have
a feeling I know the answer to that. And there's
a lot of people involved. The sheriff's department. Then you
have the city officer that tells the county officers, Hey,

(48:51):
you need to contact this guy. He knows about this stuff.
He contacts him, He talks to other people, and there
are people inside the departments that are like, yeah, there's
were freaked out and they show up and the whole
it's a it's a it's a loop road, you know,
neighborhood go in loop, come back out the same way.
Every light that's available on anything is on all every house.

(49:14):
So y'all, it's we're coming to a point to where
with Mark and his friends that are doing the UH investigations,
Amanda's taking reports, we're having these these little shows and
big shows that are talking about this. I guarantee you

(49:34):
thirty years ago they would have kept that under wraps,
and they kind of are because we got a little
bit of inside information on it. And I don't know
when it's gonna hit, but it's being slowly investigated or whatever.
But it it's happening. And and Mark, you're in the area.

(49:55):
You you know it's happening.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
And I've it feels like it's ramping up for sure.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
That's a good that's a good observation. Mark. Uh, I'm
gonna put this on your shoulders. Why do you think
it's happening now?

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Oh well, oh, here we go, y'all go get some
snickers and some milk. It's gonna be a lot of
stuff if folks don't like.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
But yeah, no. But but the thing is, Mark, we're
here to talk about this. We're some of its speculation
and some of it's from experience, So you know, you're
everybody's everybody's has opinions, but some people's opinions are based
on things they know. So you know, I'm gonna turn

(50:43):
it over to you.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Okay, Well, let me let me say a couple of
things before I jump off into that for a second. Okay,
to give it some background. Maybe, First of all, Alabama
is like number third or fourth in timber and the
United States main there's a couple more that's right above us.

(51:05):
I can't remember who it is. So Alabama has a
lot of timber. Mississippi is right there behind us, And
of course when you come into Alabama, you pretty much
notice that if we have a lot of farmland, but
we have a ton of timber, we have a ton
of timber companies, paper meals lots of lots of timber.

(51:28):
Number two, they call Alabama America's Amazon because of the
diversity of how many fish, crayfish, insects, flowers that are
nowhere else in pretty much in the world you're gonna
look at up. There's a lot of biologists say this

(51:51):
is a very diverse state, but we're losing a lot
of it too to development and pollution. And it's sad
to see that happened, but it's happened same thing that's
happened to Georgia. You go to Georgia, parts of Georgia's
just disappear and left and right. Tennessee. So was saying

(52:13):
that there's a lot of reports that go back in
Alabama to the early nineteen hundreds. There was a Shelton
County peach monster. It was investigated by that Sheriff's apartment.
They did cast footprints. They were in the courthouse of

(52:34):
Shelton County for years and if anybody's been on Ice
sixty five going south, you've probably seen the big Peach
water tower on side of sixty five. That's Claanton, Alabama.
That's where the Shelton County Courthouse is. Now. My understanding
is they redone that courthouse a few years ago and
the cast disappeared, So I don't know if they're in

(52:56):
storage or somebody chunked on them, but there is new
newspaper reports from that period, which would have been late
fifties early sixties. Also, you had what they called the
Chocoalaca Monster, which run around Anniston White Plains, Alabama, which
is all back in their toward National Forest. There's newspaper

(53:19):
articles about it left and right. The sheriff back the
investigated that they found tracks. There's a lot about it.
And across Alabama has what we call the White Thing,
which is primarily more north than Alabama. But I'm getting
to find out down and here they're down and here
too a.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Little bit, and I believe they have crossed our state
line here where we're in south southern Middle Tennessee. And
I have reports of also some white ones. But go ahead,
I'm sorry, it's just you're right.

Speaker 7 (53:54):
There's reports of white ones here in North Georgia as
well everywhere.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Yeah, I think they are all right. Since a lot,
you know, a lot of Alabama used to be cleared
and farmed when all of us been put back in timber.
Then our deer population started really growing in the late
seventies early eighties, and it boom, it's booming. I think
Alabama's number three or four population wives of whitetail in

(54:21):
the nation too. I think Texas and one other state's
higher than us than it's US and Mississippi running neck
to neck. So I think, in some of my opinion
while stuff, I feel the population has grown because there's
plenty of food, plenty of cover, and Alabama's full of water.

(54:43):
They got the three things they need. And where you
go in Alabama, there's a creek, there's a pond, there's
a lake, cares a river and it's just creek.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
And that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
When I was doing a little bit of research, it
said Bankhead with the one hundred and eighty one thousand
acres is also they call it the land of one
thing and waterfalls. So and you're right there there are
big lakes, there, there's some beautiful places in Alabama. It's
it's I did not realize living this close until I

(55:13):
met some people years ago and I started spending time
in Alabama and walking some of the trails, and and
I didn't realize how much area you you guys had
that were that was set aside, you know, for for
people to enjoy. But anyway, sorry, Okay, So you combine

(55:36):
all that together, I could see where population could increase
pretty good.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Uh, the more food you have available, probably your birth
rate goes up. I would think maybe wrong with that,
but I've been raising cattle them all my life, and
other animals, and if you take care of them and
feed them right, and they to do pretty good birth
and animals. So I kind of look at it that
way now. Also, I start looking at it from a

(56:05):
biblical side. I grew up in church. I accepted Christ
years ago. I'm not perfect, but I try my best
to do what I'm supposed to do. Reading the Bible,
it talks about a lot of things that could happen
toward the end of time. We've had increase of UFOs,

(56:27):
we've had an increase of the cryptids, We've had increase
of paranormal I mean every time you turn around. It's
I mean, it's just like everything is booming. I think
they are connected. I think all this stuff is off
the same bird. It might be a different feather, but
it's coming from the same bird. I know a lot

(56:50):
of people disagree with that, and that's fine. It's like
I tell people, you disagree with me, that's good because
I'm gonna still be friends to talk to you. I
think we're gonna see more of this coming, especially with
development happening and you just talking about what you was

(57:12):
talking about, Well go, A lot of people that live
in these subdivisions just don't realize whil's living right there
on top of them. These things live in town too.
There's reports from Sulicaga, Alabama, Downtown Silicaga nineteen seventy eight,
the town of Chillisburg, which is just north of me
here within a mile of downtown one stealing cat food

(57:36):
off a woman's back porch. Birmingham, Alabama. Yes, I went
to Birmingham, Alabama and worked a siding in a subdivision
on the edge of the Cahaba River. Probably one of
the fanciest neighborhoods I've ever been in that had gates.
They even had a security guard for the subdivision. They

(57:58):
hired a security guard because the's got some rough in there.
They started killing the people's dogs and cats, and me
and Keith documented then Booger's being there. They were coming
up off that river late in the evenings. People were
seeing them. They had the police department involved in it.

(58:21):
They hired security guards. They had some of the security
guards quit.

Speaker 7 (58:28):
For then.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I did not know what to tell the lady to do.
I mean, be honest with you, I was. I didn't
know what tell her to do. Then they quit all
of a sudden. It's just like they started. Then they quit.
I don't know if they moved on, yeah, yeah, so,

(58:50):
but I was right there close to downtown. In fact,
I'll just tell people this close to four fifty nine.
That's to wrap around around Birmingham. And if you know
where the Cabber River is on four fifty nine, you
went right through where a bunch of boogers live at,
or they used to. Of course, I'm not gonna give
the ladies a subdivision name, but because there's a ton

(59:12):
of subdivisions in there. But they were having all this
going on, they didn't know what to do. But it
finally quit. The last time I talked to this lady,
they hadn't had anything happen in a long time. So
and I'm assume she still has my phone number, and

(59:32):
I haven't heard from her, so I'm assuming and it
has stayed quiet. They've seen them right there around Aniston.
Anniston's a pretty good sized city. I think forty fifty
thousand people in the city limits of Anniston, and then
all the little other towns right around it. They've had
boogers right up in downtown going to Jack's getting stuff

(59:58):
out of the dumpster. So so they're coming to towns.
I think towns do not bother them, you know. I
think they just learned to you to maneuver around them.
And the guy that's seen this one in Silicago, nineteen
seventy eight, he was working at McDonald's McDonald's. McDonald's just

(01:00:21):
had come to Silicar, They just had opened. He was
a senior in high school. He was working McDonald's. His
boss asked him to work over that night the closing time,
which was twelve o'clock, so he did. He called his
parents because he didn't own a car at the time.

(01:00:41):
And if we go back a lot of folks in
nineteen late seventies stinting on a car, you know, especially kids,
you know, they had to go get a job, earn them,
you know. But he decided to walk home because he
only lived about four blocks from where the McDonald's was.
So he called his mom, told her say, hey, I'll

(01:01:02):
just walk home, keep you from having to get out
and back. Then Silicago was instilled pretty much is still
a pretty safe town. So he was heading down through
there and he got to what we call over Tree
Plaza and it used to be where our Walmart was located,
in a grocery store and the movie house and all

(01:01:24):
that was located. There's a big branch or big creek
that comes right through the middle of town and it
comes right there and goes up under a parking lot
in Walmart, and Walmart was there. It was right before
Walmart may have been Grants what they called it then.

(01:01:45):
But as he got close to the where the creek crosses,
and there was a service station and right next to
it was a Jacks on the other side of the branch.
As he got real close to that, he started hearing
what I can hear the sound outs rocks hitting down
in that creek. He got up there to the bridge,
looked over, and when he looked over, he had one

(01:02:08):
of these things look up at him. Scared him to death.
He didn't do nothing, and just looking at him. He
took off running and he kept looking behind him. It
wasn't behind him. He said, there was a little traffic
coming through town. He gets home, he's out of breath.
He I mean, he you know, caring on, and he
tells his mom and dad, I just seen something back

(01:02:28):
up hereon in the creek. Well, his dad said, come on,
jump in the car and we're gonna ride back up.
He said, I don't know if I want to go
back up. But they went on and they parked across
the road and his dad walked over here and there
wasn't nothing there. Of course, when he came over, he said,
you could tell where big rocks had been turned over

(01:02:51):
and stuff. So I feel like the booger was looking
for crawfish or something in the creek to eat. Yes,
of course, when I received the report was like twenty twelve,
so you're talking to a long span of time. Of course,
when he told me there was a Jack's restaurant right

(01:03:12):
next to that, I went to thinking about that, and
I said, there's probably a dumpster behind Jack's right there,
and back then they didn't lock the dumpsters, and I
was thinking, I wonder if that booger was waiting on
Jacks to close, and he's just getting him something out
of the creek till they closed, and then he was

(01:03:34):
slipping up that bank getting into that dumpster. Of course,
I went in twenty twelve, walked to the spot and
if you stand at the top of the bank down
to the water is about ten foot. This is how
deep at creek is coming through that. And he said

(01:03:55):
it did look up at him, but he did say
he was thinking it was about eight foot tall when
he thought back about it. And of course Jacks ain't
right there in that location no more so. There's a
used car lot there now. But I did walk around
the edge and I can see possibly an old old

(01:04:17):
trail there where something had went up that bank because
it was rocky and nothing was growing in that little spot.
Now it could have been whorred water. It's pouring off
the parking lot into there, and it's kept a little
ditch washed out. I mean, it's hard to say on
that one, but you could tell where something may have

(01:04:38):
been a trail there at one time, you know, or
erosion has happened one of the two, but or something
called that erosion, you know, because you go to making
a mark in ground and water starts running that way,
of course it's gonna make something bigger. So that's just
some different things that's went. I mean, we could go

(01:05:02):
to seven o'clock in the morning real easy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Well, you know, I'm thinking, you know how I am.
I'm thinking like when you mentioned the dumpster in town,
and you know you have people be like what in
Bookers in town. Well, one of the big bucks I
ever saw was behind our dairy queen and he had
a blizzard cup stuck on his nose and he couldn't
get so so sugar and and and other food that

(01:05:24):
they animals don't normally get will make them show themselves,
I mean, which they're still careful if it has a
little more intelligence, like you said, hiding that. And how
many times I walked up on a bear, a black
bearry trying to get into a dumpster one time in
Gallenburg and so and we've heard reports of dumpsters being

(01:05:48):
raided by Bookers all over the country.

Speaker 7 (01:05:50):
So I mean it's some free dinner, so you know
that you don't have to go hunt for or fight
for it or anything. Just eat.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
So why not? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
And Markt said something, God, I don't remember if we
were talking in person or so. In South Alabama being
close to Florida, did you say, was it you that
said that there been reports of some skunk apish looking
bigfoot in the far south Alabama? Was that?

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:06:26):
That?

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Well, there's probably been some other people brought that up too,
But you get down toward uh Lot, Connecta and Scumbia
and all down in that way, it seems like some
of the reports come from down that way or more
like a skunk ape looking type booger. That's what I've

(01:06:48):
heard now. I have never you know, some people missed
me and mister Cayle wonder a lot of time that
one I seen in Lawns County was more of that
type too, because I was on the Alabama River, uh
kind of where I done got into the coastal plain
of Alabama. Lowndes County is about iron a half maybe

(01:07:11):
iron forty five minutes from here where I was hunting,
and that place is real sandy, it's more more flattered
a lot of swamp land, a lot of palmatas. You know,
it's it's a different type terrain than where I live
up here. Uh So you hear more of that from

(01:07:32):
down and there. And I imagine some of these guys
that's on here, like ken and flat rock and some
of them probably hear a lot more of that. And
I do because I hear more stuff this way, especially
on this eastern side of the state, going back up
the Appalachians there towards Georgia. You know, I hear a

(01:07:53):
lot more. But I have heard of a lot of stuff.
You know. Coombo talked a good bit about Troy, Alabama.
In fact, he was talking about a dumpster down there too.
I think of the McDonald's, uh there in downtown Troy.
Some were visiting a dumpster there and there was somebody,
I can't remember who it was, talking about it a casino.

(01:08:16):
Some were Oklahoma, Oklahoma, and some of them had come
back from a big foot and trip or something and
pulled it over because they had car trouble and witness
a buger running across the parking lot. And then I
think they got to talking to somebody and come to
find out they were visiting the dumpsters, you know, back

(01:08:39):
of the casino, and uh ain't know telling them what
that casino got on tape if they'd share it, you know,
all right, but they probably don't want to advertise. They
got boogers coming up to the casino that probably lose
a lot of business, but.

Speaker 7 (01:08:55):
Lose their game one or the other.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
And the animals migrate and move and change areas for
different reasons over time. You know, we had we there
was no such thing as fire ants here in the
late seventies. Then there were fire ants. There were no
such thing as armadilla's. And then the fire ants got here.
The armadillas followed them, and then the Eastern cougar followed

(01:09:18):
the both of those here in Tennessee. And now they're here,
and they've got population, and some of them are getting bigger.
I one of them got round over here on I
sixty five, and my buddy's dad they went and got
the carcass and they weighed it was a mail It's
two hundred and twenty two pounds. So the first one
I ever saw was probably in about the sixty to

(01:09:39):
seventy pound range, and it blew my mind. But what
I'm saying is you know, these animals don't know where
the state lines are. You know, we know because they
are signs, right, So if if they're being pushed because
of pressure people building and clearing land and let's say
North Florida or whatever, and then that's a natural progression.

(01:10:03):
It's for people too. So it doesn't surprise me at
all that some areas dark, like just like the neighbor
the nice neighborhood that you were talking about, maybe they
got pushed out of an area and they were in
between finding a place and maybe they were trying to
claim that place and moved on. You know, that's that's

(01:10:24):
all speculation, throwing stuff against the wall.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
But if you look at it, if you sit back
and look at it, sometimes you can make it make sense,
you know. But but I'm gonna tell you you seeing
a dog man on your while you're on your attractor,
I can't think of anything that makes right now. The
little that I know, I'm sure we'll find out in time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
But that is.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
I think that's another level of scary for some people.
Because we've seen we've seen the boogers, We've talked to
people that live around them.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
We don't know too many people. That's been hurting by them.
You know, they've been bluff charged or scared or whatever.
If you leave them alone. Basically they pretty much leave
you alone. But they're still individuals, so you could have
that random one. But with the dog Man, every time
somebody says dog man, and when you're telling that story

(01:11:27):
and talking about the interviews that you've done, taking the reports,
the thing that pops up in my mind is, Amanda
might be too young for this. But the American werewolf
in London when that transformation, the special effects and that transformation,
I'm not I'm not Roger's not saying that they're where was.

(01:11:48):
I'm just saying that's the image I get in my head,
something that scared me as a youngster, and I you know,
I don't know if I want to find out.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
But it's it definitely is a reality change. You listen
to people that tells you they've seen them, and you
know they have. Can you hear these reports from other
places and you know these people are being truthful, But
when you put your eyes on one, it's just like

(01:12:19):
I could sit here and tell somebody about a booger
all day long, but till they put their eyes on one.
The whole different ball game. And I've carried people before
with me. They wanted to see a booger, and I'm
telling them, you probably really don't really want to see one.
Once they had that experience, some of them will go
back to the woods. I'm not kidding you that that

(01:12:40):
done it in for them right there. They didn't have
nothing else to do with it no more. You know,
a lot of them thought it was gonna be fun,
and you know, it's gonna have a big time. And
and then we started having stuff happening, Rocks getting thrown,
screaming happening, bushes getting rattled, and these folks were ready
to get the vehicle leave, you know. So. And but

(01:13:02):
then when you see this dog man looking thing, even
though you've had tons of people tell you about them,
it's like, well, I've went to a different grade. Now,
I've went a grade higher. You know in reality that
they's just not boogers. It's them too, even though I

(01:13:24):
knew these people were telling me the truth. I mean,
it's just like Jessica Jones when we had that little
camp out there in June and Hollins and she leaves
gets over to the county road off the dirt road
and gets on the county road and sees two looking
what did she describe as a hanum barre looking dog?

(01:13:48):
Who of? And one of them shows its teeth to her.
And I mean the next morning, she's blowing my phone
up going, you know, talking to me about it, and
I did, I let her know us well right there
where you've seen them? She tells me where she's seen them.
I said, I got a friend that lives right there
has had booger activity for years right there, And so

(01:14:10):
I heard that from her knowing what he's told me,
because they used to they had cows go missing all
the time, calves, not cows, but calves. They would during
the birth in the season. They lost nine calves one
spring and never could find none of the calves. And
there's booker report after booger report over there.

Speaker 7 (01:14:33):
Ask you a question real quick. It just made me
think something. Have you do you notice that you get
any like what's the word I'm going for? You get
more booger reports or get more booger activity during calving
season that you've noticed.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
I would say you get a lot of reports in
fall and sprang and most calves are being born late winter,
early spring. So yes, I would say that does up
and kick a little bit. Also, you hear of a
lot more like people with yard chickens and chickens going missing.

(01:15:14):
Sometimes you seem like you hear up kicking dogs and
cats going missing. At times we had that happen over
here in our neighborhood. Now, this was during a time
that even though I've seen what I've seen here, I
got neighbors has seen stuff too that can. One of
them got a good, full blown look better than anybody else,

(01:15:35):
And I hated this lady passed away a few weeks ago,
but she lived over here, about a half a mile
through the woods from me, a little feather, and she
watched they what she thought was a big dog come
out of the woodline into her yard at night times.
She had a street light out there. He went through
the edge of her street a light. She thought it

(01:15:59):
was a big old all. She went to calling it.
She said, hey, poochy poochy, come in. Well, poochy poochy.
It still tickle with me the way that woman told me,
bless her heart. But when she said but then it
stood up on two legs and turned and looked at her,
and then she fainted, had a heart attack. Her infas

(01:16:20):
on that thing was its face, I mean every time
she said, I know, she said it twenty times, the face.
I said, what are you talking about? The face? She
said it looked like a skeleton. Looking at me, she
said it was grayish white. And she said all I
could see was two big black looking blobs sitting there.
And she said it was funny looking. I mean, it's

(01:16:43):
hear this lady haf to dead. And and and then
another neighbor had chickens going missing, and we went to
look at that see because they thought it was coon's
or apostlems. And and her husband had built im gigantic
now chicken coop. He's a cartoner by trade, so he
put some time and money into a very nice chicken coop.

(01:17:07):
But they were missing chickens, and they couldn't find the chickens,
and they called me in Rebecca, to come over to look.
So he's thinking raccoon, possum, something getting in there. I
walked behind the chicken coop and there's a big hole
about this big up here, about six seven foot, just
as round as it could be, just perfect, and right

(01:17:30):
there on the ground you could tell something had stood
there and patted the ground down real good, and I'm thinking,
ain't no coon done this, Ain't no possum done this,
ain't no fox got They'd have to climb up there
and then take one hand to work all that wire out.
And this was heavy duty wire. This was hardware cloth
that it's very hard to deal with. If y'all know

(01:17:54):
what I'm talking about, hardware cloth. You know, it's about
a half inch by half inch. You know, it's real strong.
Something made this beautiful hole just like this. And why
I'm looking at that. Rebecca is calling me, said, hey,
come here. They have a little garden spot out there,
maybe a twenty by twenty spot. She said, I think

(01:18:14):
here's a track in this garden spot. I walk over
and right in the corner, heading toward that chicken coop.
I mean, that footprint is heading right toward It is
about a nine inch footprint. You know, that's not big,
but it's barefooted and it's heading right toward that chicken coop.
And I'm going and then you take what that lady

(01:18:37):
had to say, And then what another couple that lives
over this way behind me about a mile, what all
they were experiencing and then what me and Rebecca had
started having it happened here over the years since pretty
much since I'm gonna say twenty twenty when it kind
of started happening. We moved here in twenty nineteen, and

(01:19:00):
I'm still two and a half miles from Creepy Mountain,
So I mean, all this just started, you know, coming together.
And then I got glimpses out here a couple of
different times. One day I got a glimpse of something
in the woodline that was white looking tall. It went

(01:19:21):
into the bushes. I got Rebecca's attention. She came out
and you could see the limb of a tree over
in that woodline, just doing this number. I mean, that
thing was doing just like that, but you couldn't tell,
but she's seen the limb. And then one day, right
down here, I was putting feeder and putting my corn
feeder up for deer season. I had my back to

(01:19:44):
the woodline, and when I turned around, I got a
glimpse of something big and black jumped in behind the
hedge bush. So you know, and you had stuff happening here.
And then of course all the little footprints were finding
around the pond. We found little beauty foot prints about this,
you know, maybe four inches five inches long on the

(01:20:05):
edge of our pond in January when it was like
thirty degrees. You know, ain't no child out there walking
around barefooted thirty degrees, you know when the pond.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
And what's interesting too, you know y'all finding the tracks.
You know you've told me. I think you told us
several people, But like finding the tracks in the cornfield. Now,
if you're in the woods and you're finding tracks where
there are trees where something can grab and swing over
and change its direction or step on a rock or whatever,

(01:20:38):
but you're in a cornfield and the trackway.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
Just stops, just disappears, just stops.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Way away from the not you know, far enough away
that it couldn't jump into the woods line or the field.
You know. That's even though we're talking about bigfoot. That's
not normal for anything now, So it adds another layer
of mystery of like how does that happen? The video
that I watched, y'all were showing the tree structures and

(01:21:09):
the you know, we've got Caine Michael coming on next
week and he he he studies a lot of that,
and he he documents and he he's figured out some things,
but it's still how did that happen? Because a lot
of these logs are too big for a human or
too human to move. They're too intricate the designs, and

(01:21:33):
it's not natural because you can, you know, you can
use your imagination and pete, you can you can take Okay,
how would I build this? And it has to be
a lot of it. Yes, there are natural occurrences, but
a lot of these things are built. There's no if
ands or buts. People Oh that's they'll they'll laugh at it.

(01:21:54):
Oh that's not anything. I know. You go look at
the evidents. Don't don't even think bigfoot something built this.
And then then you go what did it? Yep, human
could absolutely. I remember one time thinking what what could
be doing this? So I found a it was a

(01:22:17):
camping Facebook camping page, and what they did they would
go out and camping places and build their little structures
and put you know, put the natural foliage around and
all that. They've got some pretty amazing structures. But every
one of them that I saw mark was one person

(01:22:41):
could build it or two people could build it. It
wasn't like some of these trees that we see picked
up at an unreal height and slid in down in between.
Just that I'm on my bucket right now. But it
irritates me a little bit. I love questions. I love
people asking questions. But when when you look at something
and you break it down just as further evidence, and

(01:23:05):
you know something built it, now the question is what
built it? There's only very few things on the planet
that can do that.

Speaker 7 (01:23:11):
So the fifty million dollar question, right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
So it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
Looking at so.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Right absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
I mean, we know beavers can build beaver huts and
a down, but they're they're dragging the logs for their mouth.
We no, bears can do a few things. We know
some other animals we can do some things. You know,
coon can use its front paul to do a lot.
I mean, they can figure out how to unlock a
lock and stuff. But I mean, you know, it's like

(01:23:45):
creepy mountain. It's full of all kinds of signs and
tree bows and xes and and some of these xes
are huge. I mean, I mean they're I mean when
you're talking about a pine tree twenty foot long and
they're in the perfect and there's two of them right

(01:24:06):
next to each other, just perfect, and you go over
and put your hand on that tree, and you're going like, man,
there's no way a human can stand those up. Like
and you get to looking because you're looking for the stump,
because you're thinking in your brain, okay, they broke off
the wind, somehow made that happen. But when you get
to looking, there's no stump nowhere, right, like they were

(01:24:28):
brought in to set there and right. And then you
start finding all these tree bowls that are pointing in
the same direction. They're not they're not one this way.
They're all laid this is pretty one way. And you
know you're going like, you know, something did this. You
know that. I know nature does a lot of things,

(01:24:50):
but this is too two in your face. You know,
this is like it's pointing at a direction and they're
all bold that way. Or if you walk in through
the woods and we find what we caught what I
call a tall man trail and a lot of other
people call him a tall boy trail, and you'll find

(01:25:10):
a trail and you look down that thing, it's just
like somebody went down through there with a machete seven
eight foot ten foot and just cleared it out where
they could walk. But you've got a path there, but
you're knowing nobody's hunting right there. And this place, this
trail goes into a god awful place that you wouldn't hunt,
goes down in a deep, rocky haller, or it goes

(01:25:33):
into somewhere that ninety nine percent of your hunters are
not going to go. I mean, it's like creepy Mountain.
There's places up there. I've hunted that place pretty much
all my life. There's still some spots I have never
walked in up there, and I probably won't go into,
just because you know where they're at, very deep pallor

(01:25:54):
full of rocks and mountain ourel. I've walked in the
edge of it before, and the time I was in
and out getting creeped out, I had to get out
of that. And this was even before I had a
feeling that bigfoot existed. This was before I had my
first sighting. There's some places on the club that creeped
me out before then. Of course, me being a coon

(01:26:16):
hunter or ex coon hunter, I don't hunt coon hunt anymore.
But I used to stay in the woods at night
and I've heard crazy things that night. I've heard smell.
But it was two thousand and seven before I lay
my eyes on something, you know. And I mean I've
been in the woods at two or three o'clock in

(01:26:36):
the morning, I have to walk up a holler three
or four miles from the truck to get the dogs.
And yes, we've experienced some things, but back then, we
didn't really know what we were experiencing. We just knew
something was going on. We knew dogs didn't want to hunt.
We'd get smelled sometimes we I don't want no devil?
Is that smell?

Speaker 6 (01:26:56):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Or we'd hear vocals knowing it's not couch or anything else.
But at the time, I bigfoot was not on my
brain at that time. And then in two thousand and seven,
you know, I had a reality check. Yeah, you know,
really went to jumping into this subject, and you know,

(01:27:20):
got to talking to people and started listening to Paul Cat.
Well back then, they didn't have paulcasts. They had more
like chats. A lot of the websites would have a chat,
and I started, you know, learning what their sounds were,
uh stuff they were doing. And I'm going out, Lord

(01:27:40):
of Mercy. I've been around this stuff all my life
and I didn't even realize yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
And that's when it that's when it scares you, when
you go back and think because we did there was
things we did as a kid, like uh, you know,
people in Alabama are well aware of what wind damage
like looks like with trees. Uh. We we had some
my storms that I saw had trees react and whatever,
uh to different pressures. And you learn this over time

(01:28:05):
and then and then you then all of a sudden,
you start you see a big foot and then you
start learning about it and you're like, oh no, remember
when we were on the creek down there, we were
frog gigging, and you know, these memories come back. And
I said something to Mark, I was watching that video
and those those bent trees, Yes, it can happen naturally.

(01:28:29):
I saw some of the softer trees with the ice
load bend like that. But they didn't hook under anything, right.
And and in South Alabama, you're not having ice storms,
I don't think pretty regular.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
No, they probably don't down and there we used to
have them here. We used to get snows pretty regular.
And but a lot of those trees would stand right
back up as soon as if they didn't break, they
would break.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:29:01):
But when you when you go to an area and
you've got all these big, huge trees, and then all
the saplings in there are just bent everywhere in they're
hooked in the vines, and some of them are just
drove in the ground like something just drove it. And
you're going that, how that don't make no sense?

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
How did that happen? Right now? I said something backstage
to Mark talking about memories.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
I saw some these bended these trees, and I'm thinking, man,
it had to be a twelve foot fifteen foot individual
to accomplish that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
And then it hit me of something we used to
do as kids. Uh some of you probably heard this before,
but we used to climb up the saplings and we
would call it riding them down and bend them over,
and you could it ease you down. Sometimes they'd break
and you'd bust your you know, your tail. But I
got to thinking, you know, what if it's a it's
a group effort. What if the little ones run up

(01:29:58):
and ride those things over? And then, like I said,
the speculation or whatever, but you're trying to think, how
could this be possible? So one thing was like, well,
every bigfoot's probably not twelve to fifteen foot and then
it hit me that we used to do that as kids. Right,
So not saying that, don't go say Roger Williams said

(01:30:20):
that for a fact that's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
It's just when you look at evidence and you scratch
your head a little bit like it's fighting, you know. So,
and then you know, with people like came Michael, for example,
and you start documenting, paying attention to what level on
the hill they are. I started looking at this stuff
a little different as warning signs. No, I'm not going

(01:30:48):
to do that. I barely can't make it to the kitchen.
So when you see these now and you have friends,
you know mark you know, you know Cain and some
of his work, you start looking at them a little different. Well,
are these markers? Are these pointing towards water? Are they uh,

(01:31:11):
you know, telling you there's danger here? Possibly during hunting season?
Don't go this way? It makes you, it makes you
pay attention a little more to where they are. And
like you said, you already picked up on it. All
of them are yours in your area was pointed the
same way? Now you're like, okay, why what do they
We may not ever figure it out, but you're never

(01:31:32):
going to figure it out if we don't try so. Now, Patrick,
I don't think i've heard this. Patrick asked you to
tell the melon stories. That's you know what he's talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
Yeah, I know what he's talking about. Well, you're going
my uh my research partner, Keith Tyler, and I need
to get him online one day. He's hard that he's
not real big about being on YouTube. But me and
him was the ones. Me and him and a couple

(01:32:06):
others were really keeping creepy Mountain. I mean we were
standing up there on a regular basis. We were doing
some you know, doing some baiting, were sitting up there
a lot at nighttime, was catching a lot of stuff
getting into fall hunting season. I want to say this

(01:32:28):
was maybe two thousand and nine ten. I've done a
report on it. It's hard to find that report now
because it was on Alabama Bigfoot dot com that really
don't exist anymore. When the late Mike Mulane passed away,
his family shut down that website. But if you go

(01:32:51):
into deep internet sometimes you can still find some of
that stuff, and Spencer's went and found some of it.
Some other people have found of the reports lost all
a lot of my material In twenty thirteen when I divorced,

(01:33:12):
I should have had downloaded all that stuff, not saying
my ex wife done it. We don't know what happened.
She couldn't find it either. But I lost a lot
of my reports and a lot of my pictures from
that time period. But some of it is still out
there through other people. But that year Keith had went
up to a green patch on the Hunt Club, the

(01:33:35):
Bowl Hunt. It was both season. Both seasons always comes
in October fifteenth in Alabama, so this would have been
after the fifteenth. He went to what we call used
to be called number four five field. Number five excuse me.
Number four field holds a big significance into Hunt Club
too about boogers. But he went to this field on

(01:34:00):
the afternoon. Uh was sitting in the shooting house. A
couple of dose came out in the field. He decided
to harvest one of them when he let go of
his air. Of course, you know, he harvested the deer.
As soon as the deer hit the ground. I'm trying

(01:34:22):
not to be graphic for folks, but as soon as
the deer hit the ground, all this hollering and screaming
started happening around, and he said it would like being
at the Birmingham Zoo. If you've ever been to Birmingham,
Atlanta zoo would probably be the same where any zoo
if you go over. We used to have what they
called monkey Island, and they get stirred up. You would

(01:34:45):
think he was in a jungle somewhere. Well, he said,
this is kind of what was going on. He said,
this was screaming, hollering, caring on scared him. After death.
He comes out of the shooting house and takes off
to his truck, gets to his truck, he gets to
thinking about it. He said, I got a shotgun in

(01:35:07):
the truck with me. He said, I'm going back down there.
But he drove to the field, gets back down and
the deer is still theying there. So he loads the
deer up, comes on home, scared to death, calls and
tells me what went on. Why he's talking to me?
He said, Well, when I get through dressing this deer out,
I'm gonna carry some of the remains back to that

(01:35:30):
area and give to them. He said, to see what happens.
I said, okay. A couple of days later, I think
it was two days later, he calls me. It's about
foreign need and he said, are you at home? I
said yeah. He said, can you get up here number five?

(01:35:51):
Feel real quick? It's something I want to show you.
I said, okay, all right. So of course it takes
twenty thirty minutes to get there. Once you get up
on them roads on the Hunt Club, you can't go
real fast because it's rocky and rough. Pull up and
pull up side his truck, get out, start walking down

(01:36:12):
there and he said, show you. He said, this is
where I put the deer remains at. But he said,
I want to show you what they left. And he said,
you ain't gonna believe it. I said, okay. I walked
up and there's a watermelon there in there. I said,
a watermelon. He said, is that little like one of

(01:36:33):
your watermelons that you grow this summer? I said, yeah
it does, because I grew what they call tender sweet watermelons.
It's yellow meat it and I mean it looked just
like it. Well that summer I had watermelons going missing,
and you can tell and I done had it happen
this year. Since I've seen that thing out there, you

(01:36:54):
can tell where watermelon has seit in the field. You know,
it leaves an impression. And I had noticed during the
summer that some of my watermelons had disappeared. Now I
was thinking kids in the neighborhood maybe, or somebody coming
there at night and got them a few watermelons. That
was it. I'm looking at this water medon. I'm going

(01:37:16):
how long? I said, There's no way this water melon
could have lasted from August till almost the first of November. Anyway,
we get the water maton and I cut it open.
The watermelon is still half decent. It's still a pretty
good water melton. That kind of surprised me. So he

(01:37:36):
said they left that, and he said, I think it
come out of your field. I said, well, it kind
of seems like it did. A few days later, I
was talking to my dad and I asked my dad
a question. I said, how long do you think a
water melon would last? Dad? You know, like if you
pulled it in August, how long do you think it

(01:37:58):
would last? He said, Son, he said, we've grown up farming.
We'd take them and slide them under the bed on
a hardwood floor where it stayed dark. And he said
we'd eat water melon and Thanksgiving and Christmas off in field.
I said, for real. He said yes. He said, as
long as you put it in a dark place where

(01:38:18):
there's no moisture to get to it, said, they won't rot.
So I'm going, huh. So upron that club, there's a
lot of caves, a lot of pine straw, so you know,
and you can rake his pine straw back in the
winter and you'll find insects, You'll find mushrooms, grubs, all

(01:38:41):
kinds of stuff growing on that stuff. So I'm sitting
here thinking, I said, you know, you know, still not believing.
But nobody else in that area grew that top of
water melon. I went to ask some of the other
guys too, what kind of watermelons they were growing. Nobody
was growing that type. So I'm pretty sure, man. I

(01:39:04):
can't say one hundred percent, but I think that was
one of my watermelons. Well, a few years ago me
and Rebecca decided to do an experiment with one of
those watermelons. One of those years, I grew some watermelons,
so I saved old bigging I mean it's it was
probably a good seventy eighty pound watermelon. I saved.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
You make Rebecca pick it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:27):
Up that thing sitting in that house. Now, of course
we had our conditions, and of course, you know, wintertime,
I had to heat on that watermelon set up under
that kitchen table till the next may me. And now,

(01:39:47):
of course when I cut that watermelon open, I probably
wouldn't ate it. It looked kind of rough looking. Inside.
It done got that slimy look.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
Inside watermelon, old rotten.

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
Out on either side. That it was still hard as
a rock. But just when I cut it open, the
inside it done got kind of rough looking. I even
saved the siege by that watermanon and I've grove watermelons
off that, you know, off that one. But uh so
I learned then according to what my dad said, and

(01:40:21):
then what the experiment we've done, that if they're in
the right condition, or I wouldn't need it, but something
in the woods probably still would need it. That thing
could almost flash a year. I mean that that blew
my mind.

Speaker 7 (01:40:40):
And that's not I've never heard of that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:42):
Yeah, so I think there is a video. I think
she done it on Facebook, just before we had a
YouTube channel when we've done this. I think she done
a Facebook And uh, of course she got her Facebook
messed up. Few years ago, so I only know if
it's out there. But she feel me cutting that open

(01:41:05):
and looking at it. And I showed people I said,
this water melon was from last year, you know, and uh,
it's just crazy. So now I can see where something
that has a lot of intelligence could pull stuff like that.
And if they had a good dry place to start

(01:41:28):
it's dark, I can see where that stuff could last. Awhile. Yeah,
so that's about the watermelon. It's still I scratched my
head about that, but.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
Well it's it's a form of uh it's it's a
like a sign of appreciation, but it could be a
form of communication also, like hey, here's your watermelon back, buddy,
you know what I mean? And it uh now it
was it Kombo, I think I was talking to that
said they liked certain organs of the deer. I guess

(01:42:07):
because of the minerals. And you know that's a whole
nother uh conversation. We'll we'll get into that sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
But I have you have you ever tried to gift
other food? Yeah, me and Kieths through mister Tao, we
started gifting a peanut butter Oreo cookies, peanut butter jetty sandwiches,

(01:42:36):
crackers done, some deer meat done, watermelons from the summer,
of course, but we had our best We had our
best luck with taking a peanut butter jar. And while
we've done this was we were putting them low when

(01:42:59):
we think coons and deer and other stuff we're getting into.
So we changed her tactics up a little bit. We
brought a step ladder back with us, and we got
up on higher up in the tree and I took
a gutternail, and y'all know, it's about ten inches long,
and I left the cap on the on the peanut

(01:43:19):
butter and I drove at gutternail all the way through
that jar into that tree at least two inches deep. Okay,
we've done that. We come back the peanut butter jar
and the gutternail was gone. Didn't find them. What amazed

(01:43:40):
me was when I got to looking at I climbed
up the step ladder and looked right in that hole.
That hole was not worked out. If if me or
you or any other human went up hered, we got
to work at Now you know what I'm talking about.
We gotta make it work. This here looked like it
was pulled straight out, just like it. You know, whatever
the pulled, it had enough strength to pull that strip,

(01:44:02):
you know, pull that nail at least two inches back
out of that tree.

Speaker 7 (01:44:07):
Enough of the nail there to be able to put
our hand around it, or was you'd have to move
the jar first?

Speaker 4 (01:44:17):
That I don't know. I mean that jar was a
standard jar whatever. You know, that size is what two
and a half inches diameter, maybe three at the most.
So I'm not sure if it just grabbed it all
snatched it out, or if it took the jar off
then snatched the nail out with it.

Speaker 7 (01:44:38):
Either way, there was definitely enough there for something to
hold on to.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
And it's like I would have to have a a ham,
a claw hammer. Yeah, And I don't know if I
could do it then with just a claw hammer, you
know what I mean, just a regular size.

Speaker 7 (01:44:54):
Don't You'll have to wiggle it to get it out.
I'm just thinking in my head how I would do that,
you know, you pull it straight out, would.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
Be take getting a grip, getting a grip.

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
Of strength, right, Yeah, that told us then they had
a lot of strength.

Speaker 7 (01:45:12):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:45:12):
We've done that, I don't know how many times. Only
one time I ever found the gutter nail one of them,
and that was about ten foot from the tree. It
was clean as a whistle. Never found none of the jars.
I mean we made some big radius searches. I mean
we spread out a pretty good piece. Never find the jars.

(01:45:37):
We've done that for a while. Then we switched over
to Oreo cookies because we'd heard that like Oreo cookies.
So we're gonna try Oreo cookies.

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
We need a blizzard from day clean.

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
Yeah, we'll get one here to minute. You know, remember Rebecca,
that's our thing on Friday nights. Ice cream. But uh,
going back to what you said about being the over limbs.
So me and Keith got the bright idea. We said, well,
here's what we're gonna do this time. We're gonna find
some young saplings right in the area that we were feeding.

(01:46:12):
And we we took and filled up a zip locked bag.
And y'all gonna think this is crazy. Here in a minute,
you're fixing to hear something that's crazy. We put the
we put the Oreos zip locked that bag. Y' y'all
know what I'm talking about. You go get them together,
all right, put a string around it kind of tied it.
We went in there and we found about a ten

(01:46:34):
foot tall sapling that you know about this big round
kind of doing like you was talking about. We just
both got a hand, you know, started bending and over
and we tied that bag on top of that tree
with about that much string, and we lit that tree
back up. Of course, that bag all went up our
ten foot high, you know, hanging up. Her done that

(01:46:56):
one reason, hoping a coon or some something couldn't get
to it, you know. Right. We came back a few
days later, walked up. There's the bag laying on the ground.
No cookies in it. Now, some crumbling stuff you know,
you could see with some crumbling when I picked up
the bag, and Keith can tell you the same things

(01:47:19):
just sitting here. That bag was not Tor I'm talking about,
not Tor anywhere. This bag you could tell had been opened,
just like we would open it.

Speaker 7 (01:47:34):
Was the bag resealed that you remember.

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
One time he did that too, not kidding. Wow, this
one was open. The strain was broke. He was not Tor.
You could tell something done that right there, probably because
it had the fringes on it and the strain wasn't
around the bag no more. It was laying on the
ground too. I told Keith, I said, there's no way.

(01:47:58):
I said, this is somebody playing a trick on us.
He said, no, it can't be marked. He said, because
they've already taken the peanut butter, they're taking the nails.
He said, it's them doing it. You know, there's no
way around it. So we've done that a few times
and then finally that Amanda just said, we got one
back that was sealed back. You know, we're just and

(01:48:24):
all this stuff went to mister Taw. We would mail
this stuff to him because he was trying to get
fingerprints off the bags, and he got some fingerprints and
stuff off of them. Because we were real careful when
we'd go back, we tried to be very careful not
to get all our stuff on it, and and we

(01:48:46):
mailed a lot of this stuff to him and done
that way. With peanut butter jelly sandwiches, they would take
them out. We would get the little crackers, the little
peanut butter crackers in the package, you know, they would
get them. Then they started giving us back stuff. Usually

(01:49:07):
there was one tree that we put a lot of
stuff on, and we would find stuff at the base
of that tree. Like a lot of times we'd come back,
they'd be pretty rocks, or pretty quartz rocks, or a
pretty red rock. We got a lot of red rock
in our ear, be real pretty one. And of course
we got marble, a lot of marble here, so sometimes
it looked like a piece of marble, a dirty piece

(01:49:29):
of marble. Sometimes come back and there be a pile
of hickory nuts laying there, or a pile of of
some kind of other nuts, you know, like water oaks
or something. Come back. One time we had flowers. I'm
not kidding you, we had flowers laying there. That's when
they went and started kidding me that I had a

(01:49:49):
bigfoot girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
But don't you love your friends.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
Yeah, I took some reven on that and for a
little while. I'm not kid you though. They were some
uh wildflower left in the face of that tree. Bones,
we found some they left some little animal bones there before.

(01:50:15):
What was that that's out cutting up behind me?

Speaker 7 (01:50:19):
Okay, yeah, I heard that real well.

Speaker 4 (01:50:23):
Yeah, in the world, that's unusual. I don't ever hear
them that way, though, I.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
Can hear it good through the headphones.

Speaker 4 (01:50:34):
Yeah, I've been waiting on something to start happening. It's
real quiet out here, to be honest with him, real quiet,
but uh, just crazy things like that now and we've
done that for a little while.

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
Was that was that the same area or nearby where
you know, you had the camera set up that day
you were doing something and there was something black and
and then it was gone? Remember that? Was it a
video where pictures you went over? Is it? Was it
close to that area?

Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
Pretty close, probably within a mile of it. So, I mean,
so you know, if you're out there doing this, I
know animals their sense of smell is incredible, but also
you you you start a pattern.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
Okay, this is the gift in tree right and you
don't call it that, but they know it. But you
also know they know when you're in the woods. It's
kind of unsettling to think that they might be in
a high position watching you bring in the peanut butter
or the or the bags or even that day you
had your back turn towards this black figure looking thing

(01:51:40):
and was it was it game trail camera taking pictures?
It was there and then it wasn't. I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (01:51:47):
Yeah, it was an edge of Moultrie, edge of the
sell top cameras got the you know, it sends it
automatically to your phone, and it was catching that right there. Yeah,
that kind of freaked me out. It was that close.
I carried window up her to look at it. I
carried my other buddy that hunts with me a lot

(01:52:09):
that's still skeptical even though he's been with us when
a lot of stuff went crazy. I guess he's gonna
need to be one of them that you know, sees
it face to face to get right.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
I heard I heard a great, uh non believer story
this week, and I'm not gonna mention who it was.
I'll let him tell the story. But but it was
a brother in law that didn't believe at all. I
thought they were crazy, and Uh said hey, and Cause said, hey,
I need to talk to you about what well carrying

(01:52:44):
the trash down to the end of the road, like
uh Maggie said earlier, he had some stuff happen, and
he'd seen some stuff he had growling. And and finally
it goes from like y'all are crazy to are these
things going to hurt me?

Speaker 4 (01:52:59):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
Asking advice?

Speaker 4 (01:53:01):
So those are the you know, and most of those
people won't come out, and you know, on a show
and tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:08):
But it's funny to us. But I have seen people
close to me go through that transition of maybe not
seeing it, but like you said, having such crazy stuff happened.
When the rocks go to coming through the woods and
other things. It's like, I know my son, he's had

(01:53:32):
everything happened to him except a foresure sighting. He's had
two glimpses of something very fast and very big. But
he he can't say for one hundred percent that it
was a boger, a big flip, but for him to
see how he's reacted, and now we've had things happen

(01:53:53):
to where he said, Daddy, it don't don't really scare
me anymore now that I know a little bit about it.
But anyway, all right, I've over, will be quiet. J
Jer's getting on to me.

Speaker 4 (01:54:11):
I'll tell you now. Let me tell you a couple
of little funny things that happened about people transitioning from
not believing to believe it. So had had a guy
that I was working with, and he lives in Shiloh
up around Shadow, Tennessee. He was working down here and

(01:54:33):
a lot of his off days he go back home
to Tennessee. Now he was a paranormal researcher. He'd been
in Shiloh many many times, seeing a lot of crazy
stuff in Shiloh, and he come to find out through work,
if you know, some people told him our research Bigfoot.
So he slips up to me one night at work
and he goes talking to me about it, and he

(01:54:56):
told me he'd seen some strange things that are Shilloh
and some other the places. But you know, he went
to ask me about beefoot and I said, well, you'd
like to go sometime, I'll carry up on creepy mountain.
We'll go up there. And he said, well, I love to.
So he said, next go around. When I come back
to work the next day, I won't go home. I'll

(01:55:19):
stay here and we'll go up on a mountain. I said,
good deal. This is when I was living on the
south side of the mountain, and this is where they
were coming to the house over pretty regular too. We
met he come to my house and we left my home,
I don't know, maybe a good iron and a half
before dark. We drove up to what we call our

(01:55:39):
signing board. And we've had a lot of stuff happened
there too. Well, I get a phone call from my
first wife, and she needed me to come back home
for a few minutes. Of course, I left from that
spot about a mile and a half by the road.
So I told him. I said, hey, I've got to
run back. I'll be back a few minutes. To stay

(01:56:02):
right here. I told him you could go with me.
He said, now, I said, we'll just stay right here
when I get back. Well, you know, we'll go around
the club. Well i'd been gone maybe fifteen minutes. I
just had pulled up at the house, took care of
what I needed to take care of, got back in
the truck where my phone rings. I said, hey, man,

(01:56:23):
where are you at? I said, I'm all the way.
Behurry of Man, get up here, please, man, he said,
And it done got kind of dusky dark in you know, Man,
get back up here. Said what's going on? He said, Man,
something just hit your sign in board. He said, it
sounds like a truck hit it. That's what you mean,
He said, Man, something hit it. He said, I'm sitting

(01:56:44):
right beside it. He said, I don't move from it.
He said, it rocked it when it hit it. So
I said, what I'm on the way, man, I said,
you know, I got to come up that rough mountain
hill to get to you. But I'll be a prayer
just me. Just stay in your truck. You know, I'll
be there in just me. He said, don't worry. I
got my gun every you know, so I could tell
by his voice. Man, he done got excited, you know.

(01:57:06):
So I pulled up and he's sitting in the middle
as much as you could get in the middle from
the wood. He got his lights on bright. He even
got his reverse lights on, cause you know, he's got
the whole perimeter lit up.

Speaker 3 (01:57:22):
Good.

Speaker 4 (01:57:24):
I pull up, He said, Man, I'm not kidding you.
He said, something hit that sign in board water good.
And we used to we don't have that sign in
board no more. We got it over the clubhouse. But
this used to just be a wooden, big wooden thing
that had a roof on it, and they had a
map in there. And so we get out. He said, yeah,

(01:57:44):
he said, you ain't been gone just a minute. He said,
I was sitting here checking my messages on computer. And
he said, all of a sudden, he said, just something
hit that thing. He said it went womb and he said,
I watched that thing rock acting forth mark. He said,
it secured me to death.

Speaker 7 (01:58:03):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (01:58:04):
So we get out. I go back here looking for
rock or anything. It's found nothing. So he's he starts
calming down. So I said, well, we're gonna since something
happened right here, we're gonna sit right here. I said,
because if that was what that was, it ain't went nowhere.
So I parked my truck right by the shooting house

(01:58:30):
with my tailgate down pointed down hill kind of, and
me and him sitting there on the tailgate just talking,
having a good conversation. He's still a little tore up
about the the uh, you know, the shooting, I mean
the signing bore. And it was one of those nights

(01:58:51):
that there's a little ambient light just enough that you
can see stuff pretty good, you know. It went to
full moonnight, but there's enough light that you could see.
And he said something to me. He said, hey, he said,
down there on side that road, is there a big
old stump on that left side of the road. No,

(01:59:12):
there ain't no big stump down there. So I went
to looking and I could we could both see this
big blob looking things sitting on side the road, and
we're both staring at it and by that time, it
stands up walked across that road. That song gonna grabbed me.
Did you see that? I mean, and I saw he

(01:59:33):
could save for the next I said, yeah, I seen it.
That's what it is, man, I said, you just seen
a boog across that road right there. Man it, I mean,
it got him so excited. But he was tore up
about it too, and and he went with me a
bout of more times. But he became a believer that
night that quick. Now, that don't always happen, right, I mean,

(01:59:54):
I mean, they don't always line up like that. That
night he got a dose of one hitting that chut,
I mean that signing board, and then he got one
stand up walk across that road, you know, and he said, man,
I never believe it. Man. You know, he said, I've
seen ghosts, I've seen stuff in cemeteries, but he said

(02:00:16):
that right there was flesh and blood at walked across
that road. And I said, yeah, yeah, that was that
was one of them. And now the other guy, he's
kind of skeptical, but also he'd had some little weird
things happen. Well, he come up here and sit with
us one night, and he had parked right next to

(02:00:37):
the edge of the woods, and we were all sitting
over here in a little group, just talking, listening, and
he'd brought him a big old snickers bar. That's when
they first come out with him king size, if you
know what I'm talking about, to them old Biggins. And
he had him with like a doctor Pepper or something
over in the truck. He said, man, I'm gonna go
get my snickers and my drink. I'll be right back.

(02:00:58):
He walks over. See we see him open his truck
up cause the light comes on, and we see him
start looking around. He's looking up on his dash, he's
looking in his seat. And then we hear some choice
cuss words come from over and he said. He raised
the head. He said, ma'am, a snicker bar is gone.

(02:01:19):
He said, I laid it right here on the dash.
He said, it's gone. Window open, window open you. We
walk over. We of course, we tear his truck apart,
look up under it. We look every where. His snicker
bar is gone. Now he's doctor Pepper wasn't because it
was laying in the seat. But he laid that snicker
bar right up there in front of the steering wheel

(02:01:40):
on the dash and it was gone. He was mad, boy,
I mean he was mad. He was mad, but also
he was tore up to the other way. He was like, man,
y'all ain't kidding about it, he said, And then he
kind of wanted to cues one of us going over.

Speaker 3 (02:01:58):
You know, I said, man, thank you, mama, Mama, let
me bread.

Speaker 4 (02:02:05):
But he that night he became a believer, and he
went with me a good many times. And he finally
got him in a good experience too one night, more
than a sticker bar. Uh. He Actually I was building
a small fire. We was over at the lake over
as a sell maker lake on the club and we
went over and I had I was building some small fire,

(02:02:29):
and he said. He reached over and started to hit
me on the shoulder and he said, hey, hey, you know,
real soft. What is it? He said, Man, these little
sticks coming out of bushes over hitting you in the back.
Can't you feeling that?

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
No?

Speaker 4 (02:02:46):
I ain't feeling no. What are you talking about? Little sticks?
He said, little sticks two three inches long, he said,
He said, all behind you, right there, laying on the ground.
He said, I've been watching them lob out of the
bushes over towards you. I turned around, showing up to
be the sticks about like if four or five of
them laying behind me, and he said, you see that
bush right over? He said, yeah, he'said, that's where they're

(02:03:07):
coming from. He said, I watched them come out of there,
because he said they would the fire would catch them
when they'd come out, you know, the reflection from the fire,
would you know, he could see them. And because that
little fire, I mean, you know it's putting out stick
seven foots you know. Yeah, And he said, I can
see them coming over. He said, that's hitting you right

(02:03:28):
in the back the whole time. Which I had a
cold on too that night, so it was pretty chilly,
he said. He said, if one right there, I said,
I wasn't doubt it. I wasn't doubt it a bit.
Of course. We set down and we started paying attention there,
but we never did see nothing, you know, but that that,
you know, that made him a pretty much believer that night,

(02:03:51):
between the snicker bar and him witnessing the little sticks,
you know, being thrown, he became a believer. And then
he finally actually on a whole different piece of property,
I've seen one seven eight years later come up out
of creek bed. He deer hunting, and this place where

(02:04:13):
he was hunting is known to have him and he
actually got the witness one. So he's full blown now,
you know, he's a full blown believer. He still goes
some He ain't been with me in the last few
years because the way he's been working, and his wife
had a lot of health problems. But he was full

(02:04:34):
blown there for a while.

Speaker 3 (02:04:35):
And well, Greg brought up something earlier, and I heard
the story after I got the Hollands, But I'm assuming
I know that there's been more than one abandoned tent found,
But you were the one that founded at Hollands, right.

Speaker 4 (02:04:54):
Well, there was a group of us. We were actually
having it. We were actually having a bigfoot outamp out.
A bunch of us got in there on Friday. We
noticed the tent sitting way down in that bottom. If
you remember that bottle, that's where Pat and Joe Camp
had a lot of time that we you know, call
that that little.

Speaker 3 (02:05:13):
Bottom off down it, you know, right a little bit.

Speaker 4 (02:05:16):
Yep, we noticed the tent sitting down there and we
could see coolers, you could see all their stuff down there,
and didn't think much about it when we all got
there on Friday. We thought maybe they'd gone to town
or something, you know, to get supplies or whatever. Come
on night time, you know, nobody showed up and we said, what,
that's kind of odd, but we didn't go no further

(02:05:37):
with it. Well, the next day people got talked about, say, hey, man,
you know, we might need to go down there and
check on it, because nobody showed back up, you know,
and we can see coolers and cheers and all kinds
of stuff laying out down there. So we all walked
down there, a bunch of us. They're about seven eight
of us and showing off. We're getting down there, I mean,

(02:05:59):
everything as there. But you can tell that the zipper
on the tent had been broke, so the tent was
halfway open. At first. We got a little scared that
was fixed and find a body that came to all
our minds like, lord, is their body laying in there? Well,
the guy that was with us, uh, the one that

(02:06:20):
put on that outing, he was also law enforcement at
the time with a government agency. He finally decided to
enter the tent just to see, you know, So he
enters the tent with us all you know, the ones

(02:06:41):
of us standing there and he comes out with identification
and everything. There's kids clothes, there's women's clothes in there,
but he comes out with a woman's identification, uh, with
her driver's license, several other stuff, I think the insurance card.

(02:07:03):
They it was, I can't remember what all was in
that purse. And we you know, so that we already
knew this was getting odd. Now this is done. You know,
it took a whole different, you know thing. So one
of the guys raises open to the cooler. Of course,
the ice is done melting and it's water in there,

(02:07:25):
but there's meat and all kind of stuff in there,
and it's done spoild. I mean, it's you know, you
can tell it's une spot. It had that smell. They
had a water bag up on the tree that was
still half full of water. A brand new camping stove.
I mean the stove ain't he never been used. They
done took it out of the box, but it's never
been used. There was some other I can't remember, some

(02:07:47):
cheers or something else there. Uh, But it was just
odd that there was kids and women's clothes for her
identification in there, and plus her makeup. She left her
makeup kid. So he said, I need to turn this
into you know, the game mornings of the forest rangers,
And in fact he went and called them, but they

(02:08:10):
did not come. This is what's strange about this. They
did not come. He did go get it turned into them,
but we never heard another peak from that. That tent
ended up sitting there for another over a month before
it disappeared. But that whole weekend we never seen a

(02:08:30):
game more than a forest ranger or a county deputy
or nobody come in there to go to that tent.
During that time period, I did look for missing persons
from our area. I searched Todder, Digger County, Clay County,
Cousa County, some of the counties I live around, and

(02:08:50):
there was nothing about a younger female being missing that
I could see. Of course, if she wasn't reported missing,
it's not gonna be there. A few people think maybe
she was trying. Uh, maybe she just got out of
there in a hurry, maybe jumped in her car and left.

(02:09:13):
I mean, we just don't know, and I still don't
know for this day about that. It's just crazy. And
we got talking to the guy lives down there. You
may have seen him when he come through that day. Roger,
the guy that lives pretty close every time we have
an hout and he come sits with us for a while.
I think, I know, yeah, gentleman in the gray Chevy truck. Yeah,

(02:09:36):
the older gentleman.

Speaker 3 (02:09:37):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (02:09:39):
I got to quizzing him about that area a good bit, so,
you know the reports of the hunter being found killed,
you know, back in the early eighties there. And I
went to quizzing him about you know, that area a
good bit and he said, yeah, he said. I asked him.
I said, they find many people dead down here. He said, yeah,

(02:10:00):
pretty rectord or something of that nature. He said, well,
most of them are drug related. I said drug related.
He said yeah. They'll find them in their car, you know,
passed away, or find them in a tent passed away
or you know where he said.

Speaker 3 (02:10:17):
Where we camp at, not just there, but over that.
I got, okay, okay.

Speaker 4 (02:10:24):
In fact, last week I heard they found a dead
body out there somewhere Love.

Speaker 3 (02:10:30):
You know, that's a weird place to start with, with
all the energy and everything we've seen and recorded and heard,
and oh my gosh, I did I.

Speaker 7 (02:10:40):
Want to go down there now?

Speaker 8 (02:10:41):
I don't want to go, You'll be fine.

Speaker 4 (02:10:51):
It is a strange area, and over the years there
have been some people go missing that they never found.
Every now and then they do find bodies in there
in places. A lot of times they said the person
died of natural causes. Then sometimes they said the person
was murdered and somebody, you know, just went out through

(02:11:14):
there and dumped them. But that, I mean, that's not
all the time. I mean, I mean, we did have
a body found out there this past week. I heard.
I don't know all the details to it, but but
there's been several tenths found in that campground deserted besides

(02:11:35):
the one we found. I really don't know what went
on there now. Of course, I've heard that are from
around Cheehaw up in Chocolocka and places where they find
tents with no man And me and Greg and my
boy found one at Gregg's place several years ago. Me

(02:11:55):
and Greg and my son pulled up down there on
that river, that campground and there was a brand new
tint laid on the ground and a few other odd
and ends there, a very expensive tint. And while we
were there, some stuff started happening and we had a
big tree fall not far from us. It sounded like

(02:12:19):
a bulldozer pushed the tree down up there. And then
my boy walked down the creek bank a little piece
or the river bank, and Greg was taking some pictures
and may a couple of people said they thought they'd
seen something behind a tree when my boy went down.

Speaker 3 (02:12:40):
Is that uh is that the black bluish sheen. But
there's a picture he showed me that it looks like
something's peaked, uh, like arm is out behind the tree.
But the but the it's really really it's it's so black,
it's almost bluish.

Speaker 4 (02:12:59):
Is that mabe it? It may be it? I think, Yeah,
Greg's in here, he can tell you. Yeah. And then
the next picture there's nothing there, right, it's just it. Yeah, okay, yeah,
he said that's correct. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:13:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:13:13):
So that was odd. That was odd. While we were there,
I was feeding the vibe. I know Greg was to
we both for feding. Of course, I don't know if
my boy was or not, but we both were felling
a vibe, especially after the big tree hit the ground
and then we looking right there and these these abandoned

(02:13:34):
tents that were practically new and very expensive type tents.
I believe Spencer looked at him. He said, man was
an expensive tents. I can't remember what else was left there.
There was a few other odd and ends left. It
was just odd, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:13:52):
We found a tent in red Hollow. And you know
how when that that material is out in the sun
for a long time, how to fade out a little
bit and get you know.

Speaker 4 (02:14:02):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:14:03):
We went up on that knob and I saw it
and I'm like, oh, I don't want to disturb whoever's there.
But the cooler had been thrown across the drive and
it was laying there with the top open. And we
we eased up there and I peaked, you know, I peaked.
I still on the truck. I peeked in there, and.

Speaker 4 (02:14:23):
There was like bedding and stuff like that. But I
was the same thing you same thing you said.

Speaker 3 (02:14:27):
I was scared. I was about to see a body,
you know, But you kind of have to check it
out and call authorities. If there's something there, right, you
can't you can leave, but you don't want to at least.
And then then when we turned around on that knob
overlooking the river and started back down, that's when I
saw all those tracks out there from from a few

(02:14:50):
hours before, so uh, I don't know whether they left
that night or had been there for uh exposed in
that sun up there, you know, from month or so
so but it was wintertime.

Speaker 4 (02:15:04):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:15:05):
I know, they don't keep up with records of all this,
but it'd be interesting to know how many abandoned camp
sites I think with it Joe and Jesse on helping Holler,
they found one in l B L and expensive boots
and everything too. It's just that's not normal. I mean,
you're leaving in a hurry, right, you what, whatever, whatever

(02:15:28):
you're running from, you value your life over your belongings.

Speaker 4 (02:15:31):
So well, I know that's how I felt about the
one at Gregg's, that somebody was getting out of there
in a hurry, And I feel like the one at
Hollins was the same way I feel, for them to
leave all their left and then it come back to
get it, you know, then people were getting out of
there in a hurry for some reason or or somebody

(02:15:54):
got them. I don't know, you know, I hate I
hate speculate on that, but right, right, but but there's
other places. Thought they're gonna ask the force that abandoned
camps have been found, and it's just strange when you
hear about it, and especially when you don't never hear
nothing else about it. You figure they'd come back later

(02:16:15):
and say, well, these people abandoned the camp. Somebody got
sick and they went to the hospital, or or they
got scared and they left. They just left their stuff.
There's the problems. You don't never hear about it, right,
there's no like, there's no follow up on it, or
if there is, they're not releasing it to the public.
And like I said, I went back really trying to

(02:16:37):
watch missing persons from my area for a while. But
here's the thing. The person may have been from somewhere else,
and her people may reported or missing or not even
know where she's at. Exactly. Yeah, and the same Griggs.
You know, I think they find abandoned camps around Bankhead

(02:16:59):
all the time to kind of what I've heard.

Speaker 3 (02:17:01):
So, you know, so we're two hours and sixteen minutes in.
I want you to tell one more story, if you would,
and just for a lot of people like this to
look up old newspaper stories and stuff like that, and
you yes, exactly, Amanda's people, she's the one I'm talking about,

(02:17:27):
and she loves searching for stuff like that. So you're
gonna like this, Amanda. So Mark tells a story about
an Alabama hunting fishing magazine type thing that actually reports
a booger sighting. Is that right?

Speaker 4 (02:17:44):
Yeah? Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:17:45):
Interesting? Yeah? What do you remember what the name of
that was?

Speaker 2 (02:17:49):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (02:17:50):
Yeah, yeah, back in the nineties, and Georgia has it too,
a lot of the states had, well, we had Alabama
Game and Fish Magazine in nineteen ninety three. There was
an article come out in January of nineteen ninety three,
if I remember correctly, it was called stalk in Dallas County.

(02:18:13):
Dallas County is right across the river from Lowndes County,
where I've seen my booger, and where this guy seen
his stuff wasn't too far apart. They're four or five
miles from each other. Cordon and mister Tall went and
interviewed this guy too later on. His name was Gregg.

(02:18:33):
The guy he interviewed. He went and interviewed him after
the magazine. I think he interviewed him sometime into two thousands,
and he went into the guy went into depth more
about what had happened down in there. But they had
a hunting club in there. The guy had went into
his tree stand, got up in the tree stand, was

(02:18:57):
sitting up in it. Noticed that he was very quiet
there where he was at that day, and he started
hearing this chopping sound lot, and he compared it to
a hog, how a hog would take their jaws and
snap them. He said, you could hear this snapping coming.
Of course, he thought it was a hog of that
part of Alabama's eat up with him. But what he

(02:19:20):
sees in the next few minutes, he says, it ain't
no hog. He said, this is something on two legs
full of hair. And he said it's kind of just
searching around like it's looking for something or if he's
scared to death, even though he's sitting up under the
tree with a rifle, which I would be too, I'd
be a lot war in the world. But you and

(02:19:43):
his story is a little similar to mine, kind of
if you really go to looking at it. These hunter
stories all are kind of similar if you really get
to looking at them. So he keeps watching this thing.
This thing just keeps making these little noises, chopping noises, grunts,
all this noise. He's terrified to death. He's thinking, Hi,

(02:20:04):
I'm I going to get out of this tree and
get out of these woods. It's getting close to dark,
and he said, I sure don't want to be in
here with it after dark. This thing finally ambles off
and he hears it get out of We can't hear
it no more. He decides to get out of that
tree stand, so he starts climbing down and something falls

(02:20:24):
out of his pocket and hits every rung of the
ladder going down. That it sound like a bull element,
he said. He hears that thing coming back, he can tell.
So he breaks and runs. He said, man, I'm running
and slap through the woods fast as I can do.

(02:20:45):
And he said, this is behind him. He can hear it.
He finally breaks out into a big hayfield where his
truck's parked at and his father in law, I think
it is, is waiting on him. He's mad because the
boy hands owed up and it's already after dark and
all this of course of guys out of breath, and
he said, whatever it was stopped at the tree line

(02:21:07):
into the hayfield, and I mean he goes into detail.
Of course, I'm just skimming across the top of it,
just kind of you know, giving y'all what he's talking about.
But years later, mister Towell would go to the Alabama

(02:21:27):
Sportsman Lodge, which is there on Highway eighty right outside
of Salema, but it's into Lowndes County, part of in
Lowndes County, right across from Dallas County. If anybody wants
to know what Dallas County, I know everybody's heard of
sell my Alabama. So that's where Dallas County is hotbed
of boogers. That's where I've seen mine, mister Terry, and

(02:21:53):
that I've done the interview seeing his years ago. That
management area is well known for big foot bend on.
Even the locals in there know they're in there. Them
locals at night will not go outside. And if you
go down through there, you're talk about ever seeing every
porch light and back porch light on. It's like that
at night time then. But that's it. But it's called

(02:22:19):
stalked in Dallas County nineteen ninety three, Alabama Gaming Fish.
If you're gonna type it in, I would talk. I
would type it in on Google as stalked in Dallas
County January nineteen ninety three, Alabama Game and Fish. I
don't know if the way I pulled it up last

(02:22:41):
time I looked at it, it actually went to mister
tall Banko where he was talking about it and it
gave the full story. I can't remember what it was on.
It was on something where he went into detail about it.
For years, I had that magaze scene. Uh. I had

(02:23:03):
saved it once and then I had that one, but
I cannot find it now. I can't have I can't
find half them magazines unless they're still at my mother's
house and they still may be that if I get
a chance, I may this winter see if see if
I can come across them. I used to save all

(02:23:24):
my hunting magazines. Uh, I know I had some back
into the eighties at one time.

Speaker 3 (02:23:29):
But uh, it's it's amazing that somebody had the guts
to actually publish that.

Speaker 4 (02:23:38):
You know. I can't remember who the author was that
when they interviewed him. Uh, but I think you can
find it because I put it in before and pulled
it up. It's a very detail. And when the Alabama
Bigfoot dot Com was running, it was on there too.
It was one it was one of their first reports

(02:24:01):
because mister Tow went in interviewed this guy hisself and
the guy gave him a lot more detail. Come to
find out, this hunting club had been dealing with these
things for years. That just wasn't the first incident they had.
People that would get out of that hunt club. They
just quit hunting down there because what all was going on.
And so that's another one that's been published besides the

(02:24:29):
Chocolaca Monster. It was publicized. I don't know what the
news I can't Anniston newspaper used to be called something
different back in the nineteen thirties. That's when that article
come out, and then Shilton County would be in the
late fifties, early sixties. So if anybody wants to go

(02:24:49):
research at you know, it be the Shilton County Peach
Monster Shilton County, Alabama. And then the Chocolaca Monster you
know from the nineteen thirties, and then of course the
Alabama gaming fish article. And then there's this something about

(02:25:10):
a wolf woman around Mobile in the seventies. I was
proposed to be terrorized in this neighborhood and while they
said it was a wolf woman because breast and all
that stuff. So it's a really well known Alabama cryptid

(02:25:33):
from down in that part of the country and it's
pretty well known. Then they said it just disappeared, you
quite happening. A lot of people said it was a
wirewolf and she moved off. You know, I don't know,
but what's wild is hearing the stories from way back
when and what.

Speaker 3 (02:25:54):
The locals named these things, because what do you call it?
What do you call something that you don't know what
it is or even it wasn't supposed to exist, So
it's kind of funny, like, uh, once Bigfoot was coened,
I guess it's like it's stuck.

Speaker 4 (02:26:10):
And so I think, you know, probably a lot of
these creatures are big foot, dog man whatever, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:26:19):
And no, just like I keep saying that, it was hilarious.
The people I talked to from Jiles County over here
back in the forties and fifties called them the big monkeys,
and they talked about about them like it was just
an every everyday thing, like just deal with them, live
with them, get along with them, don't make them mad,
you know.

Speaker 4 (02:26:40):
So well, well, it's just like the term burger. You know,
a lot of people laugh about that, but if you
go back, that's what a lot of the older people
would say. Hey, you know, don't be caught in woods
after dark. The burgers might get you.

Speaker 7 (02:26:55):
Yeah, I've heard that my whole life from my grandparents.

Speaker 4 (02:26:59):
What do they probably talking about? We know what they
probably talked about. They probably talked about Bigfoot, you know,
and you know, uh, of course booger might be really
mean boogie man as the old you know they used
to say the boogiey man to get you.

Speaker 3 (02:27:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:27:14):
Of course, let's be in Southerners, right, well, we probably
had our own pronunciation for you know now uh, you know,
we would say.

Speaker 3 (02:27:23):
Boo boo wood boogers. Yeah, and and and depending on
which hollow look. Even now, I can go to Fable
and they might call a waterfallce at something other than
what I called it. So it's still here. It's you know, Georgia, Alabama, y'all.
I remember one of my uh, one of my good friends.
He's passed away. He was older, gentleman. Uh, great guy

(02:27:44):
in the community. He was from Alabama, and uh, he's
coming one day at our store. He said, Roger, can
I use your spicket? I said, if I had one,
you could, What is that?

Speaker 4 (02:27:54):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't know I never heard of a spickett.
He's your water speaket. I'm like, oh, let me go
see what you're talking about. But yeah, it's just a
little word.

Speaker 3 (02:28:08):
I love that though. I love that about the differences,
you know, and you go to.

Speaker 4 (02:28:13):
You go to, like you were just saying, you go
to certain parts of the South, we're talking about the
same things sometimes and uh so yeah, I think that's
where the term booger was coming from. And that's why
we really started calling them because when I started talking
to the older people, when you say bigfoot, they kind

(02:28:37):
of get funny looking, but you said, well, booger and
then they mean.

Speaker 8 (02:28:42):
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, young things and they say, yeah,
you know, my uncle Saul and so seen one of
the things way back yonder or you know, or you
know stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (02:28:54):
So I think yes.

Speaker 3 (02:28:56):
And I was always like Amanda, when my grandmother would
say booger, I was thinking boogieman type thing, you know, uh,
because she would tell her her thing was she would
tell ghost stories about and in one one house she
lived close to the cemetery and she hear baby crying,
you know, several nights a week or whatever around midnight,

(02:29:16):
and that that scared me to death.

Speaker 4 (02:29:18):
But anyway, uh, we we've had some new people come in.
We've had a pretty strong audience tonight. We have uh yeah,
uh Mark, Mark, you bring them all to the.

Speaker 7 (02:29:27):
Yard as he's sitting in his yard.

Speaker 3 (02:29:32):
Yeah, I know that's oh man, that's that's scary. But yeah,
Jennifer Andrews said, the icebox, Yeah, well that's from there.
Used to be ice boxes right right there. You go
buy your eyes and bring it back and put it
in the ice box.

Speaker 4 (02:29:49):
Yep. In fact, I have some of my older Ken
folks still refer to refrigerator as the icebox. They say, hey,
go get your drink out of the ice box.

Speaker 7 (02:29:57):
Same my grandparents.

Speaker 3 (02:29:59):
My grandma, she'd be, uh, hey, go to the frigidarey
and get so and so.

Speaker 4 (02:30:04):
And I'm like, yeah, frigidy, I'm like frigidary.

Speaker 3 (02:30:07):
And I went. I went out back and they had
a couple of older freezers and refrigerators from back up,
and this one had a more chrome than a fifty
seven Chevy. Oh yeah, and it said frigid air on it.
But she run it together frigidariry. And I think there's
still people, you know, older people in my family that

(02:30:28):
call them frigidaries. Frigidari.

Speaker 4 (02:30:30):
Yes, they got a lot of names. You know, you
hear it all the time, Just like with Coca Cola,
we all say a coke yep, yep, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:30:42):
And you better know what everybody wants. I mean, uh
my buddy moved in here from uh Texas and he's
a minmbai. And what do y'all want? Coke? Coke? Coke? Coke?
He come out with as cokes. Well, what is this?
I wanted a sundrop. I wanted the doctor pepper Rock,
he said, y'all said coke. I said, you got to know,
just gotta know what.

Speaker 7 (02:31:00):
You got to ask what kind of coke they want?

Speaker 3 (02:31:05):
Yep, y'all. I want to thank Mark Green.

Speaker 4 (02:31:09):
Like like we could talk for hours and we'll have
them all again.

Speaker 7 (02:31:13):
I feel like the conversation was just getting started.

Speaker 3 (02:31:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, there's so much we could go into.
I mean so much that uh we we we we'll
have a show sometime and we'll get into some theories
uh from some people. Uh. Next week, we got Cay
Michael coming on. He sent a bunch of pictures in video.
Y'all know he got attacked, uh here a few weeks

(02:31:39):
ago at night. He's got thermal imagery, the things throwing
rocks up at him. He got in a high position
in his cabin and it's filming out the window, and uh,
that'll be a great show. He's always uh. And we
can pick up from Mark talking about the tree tree
structures and all that. But Hillary, calm down. Everybody likes

(02:32:05):
Caine's He's got the white hair and the white goate
going on. So thank y'all for being here. We love y'all.
And you know, sometimes we had a long on my end,
we had a long day to day. I got up
at three thirty. We had Heather had surgery.

Speaker 4 (02:32:22):
She's fine, and and I'm like, I don't know, I
don't I don't know if I'm going to be able to.

Speaker 3 (02:32:28):
Be locked in to do a show. But it gets
it's in my blood. I think to hear the stories
and ask the questions.

Speaker 7 (02:32:36):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (02:32:37):
And one of these days I'm I let them Manda talk.

Speaker 7 (02:32:42):
I catch myself over. I was like, but I'm just
so into listening to listening to you, Like, I like,
I want to ask a question, Blake. Wait, No, I
don't want to interrupt quite yet. Let them keep saying,
because I'm like, I don't want to mess up, the
mess them up and lose the train of thought because
I know I'm somebody bumps in and asked me a question.

Speaker 3 (02:33:02):
Well, here we go, Amanda. Do you have any questions
from Mark?

Speaker 7 (02:33:08):
I'm talking my head at the moment, which is terrible.

Speaker 4 (02:33:12):
Well, I'll say it is. Me and Rebecca came over
into George. Well, we've been in Georgia several times here lately.
Of course, we go back and see her people around
Rome and Cedar Town. But we, uh, we went to
a place she's never been to because she's been all
over Georgia. She used to be in the kayak and

(02:33:32):
rock climbing. She's been all in the Chattahooche National Forest
all over except for one spot, and that was right
there at Chatsworth.

Speaker 7 (02:33:42):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:33:42):
Yeah, we went into there, and we came out over
at Blue Ridge. I went all the way across that mountain.

Speaker 7 (02:33:48):
Oh, you went over through the Cohuttas.

Speaker 4 (02:33:52):
I went through all that, came into a place called
Jack's River Campground.

Speaker 7 (02:33:59):
Awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:34:00):
And that's a bugger territory, I for ever being one
right there.

Speaker 7 (02:34:03):
But there's so many reports out of the Kahatas up there,
especially Jack's River. Yeah, and what's interesting actually is, now
that I'm thinking of it, there is actually a report
that we have there on the map at the museum
of an abandoned campsite in that area.

Speaker 4 (02:34:21):
I can see that that's a beautiful place. I'm wanting
to go and camp at the ball field one night,
what they call the ball field up there on the
top m That's a beautiful camp ground. I'm gonna go
stay there. Then I'd like to go to Jack's River
one night and staying there when we went in there.

(02:34:42):
I don't know how bear season is set up in Georgia.
I need to look it up, but there was a
bunch of guys and their families camping out in there,
and they had their handofs with them. They were bear hunters.
I don't know if they can run their dogs out
of season or something.

Speaker 7 (02:34:59):
Or I'm actually sure how that works.

Speaker 4 (02:35:02):
Georgia had some kind of early season, but uh, I
won't something, do I now?

Speaker 7 (02:35:10):
Is it? Or maybe they were training on or something.

Speaker 4 (02:35:12):
That time of year and I wanted to go talk
to because I really want to go, say, guys, let
me talk to you about something, right. Yeah, I didn't
know how they would go over see if you.

Speaker 3 (02:35:22):
Can ease into the booger subject. Yes, that's what.

Speaker 4 (02:35:26):
I was on.

Speaker 3 (02:35:27):
I was on a it wasn't a bus. We were
training and they were carrying us somewhere and there were
two people behind me. One guy was from Humboldt County, California,
and another guy. I don't he come from Minnesota. And
one guy had a big foot hat on, but I
didn't see it. And I had just started doing this,
and uh, I heard him talking and he's, oh, you're

(02:35:48):
interested in Bigfoot? Well, yeah, one came into camp on
us one night and kind of tore up the camp
and scared all of us. And this other guy, I'm
starting to listen. He said, well, we were on snowball
and we found a track way blah blah blah. I said, Hi,
I'm Roger.

Speaker 4 (02:36:04):
Will have nice to meet you all, two fellas, and
ended up getting some really really good stories from those fellas, Amanda. So,
if people were going to visit your area North Georgia,
I was there. I don't remember exactly when it was,
but the colors of the trees were beautiful.

Speaker 3 (02:36:22):
Was it was it late Was it October? Late October
or early November?

Speaker 7 (02:36:27):
It should be late ish October. And I say ish because, yeah,
thirty minute goodbyes. I say that because we're already starting
to see some a little bit of change in here,
like the dogwoods and the are turning colors, and the
tulip poplars in my yard at least are already starting

(02:36:48):
to drop their leaves, so it won't be long before
they'll they'll start turning here soon. So I'm going to
say probably middle ish October.

Speaker 3 (02:36:56):
And it's it's beautiful. We got lucky. We just went about.
It was an accident at the right time of year, y'all.
But they're making fun of our southern goodbye. We have
people from all over the country and all over the world. Uh,
the show's over. We're just talking. Y'all can hang out
if you want to.

Speaker 4 (02:37:14):
We do this around a campfire on a porch, on
a store porch, drinking cokes. So, uh, you know, this
is where we are. And if you see any of
us two weeks from now in another state, we're gonna
be the same way.

Speaker 3 (02:37:29):
We're not. We're not we're not putting on.

Speaker 4 (02:37:35):
Yeah all right.

Speaker 7 (02:37:39):
Man, Yes sir, it's been great. Really enjoyed listen.

Speaker 3 (02:37:45):
I always always enjoy you. Mark Uh, you know, I
enjoy a lot of people, but you're just like me
in a way. Look, this is this is my story.
I'm not trying to convince you anything. This is what
i've seen, this is what i've heard. This is the
evidence we found, you know, and that's it. You know,
there's no there's no there's I'm not gonna go out

(02:38:07):
here and make a fancy video with pyrotechnics and try
to draw you know. We just do what we do, right,
So anyway, y'all, we're gonna get off here. Thank y'all.
Misty if you're still here, Thursday nights at seven Central.
She said she didn't get an alert, so I must

(02:38:30):
send her a message. So yep, Mark can't beat Mark.
I'm not gonna brag on him too much, but I've
already told.

Speaker 7 (02:38:38):
Him before before we uh officially end because we do
have audio listeners now for those who want to follow
Mark and what he does, Uh, definitely go and check
out his YouTube channels, Cedar Creek, Bottoms, farmstead Life. Yeah
she got it, Bottoms farmstead Life. Yes, I did not

(02:38:58):
stutter it. Please please go and give him a follow,
and you'll can also check out their other social media's
as well.

Speaker 3 (02:39:07):
And protect you snickers at all times.

Speaker 4 (02:39:10):
There you go. I love cookies.

Speaker 3 (02:39:14):
Oh oh, somebody gonna be going to be getting a blizzard.
All right, y'all, y'all have a good, good rest of
the weekend. And can I tell you if you want
to hang out for a little bit, yes, sir, Bye bye, y'all,
Bye bye. Yeah.

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