Squatchin' Holler #8 Bigfoot & the House of Enoch with Kain Michael

Kain Michael is the person behind the online project/channel “House of Enoch” — a Bigfoot/Sasquatch researcher and homeowner who says his property has persistent, dramatic activity (large tracks, vocalizations, weird occurrences). He’s been a guest on multiple Bigfoot podcasts where he describes giant prints (reported up to ~24 inches), haunting calls, close approaches, and other strange evidence found around his land.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Squatching Holler.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
In the midst where the trees lean loom.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Squatching Hollers gotta tail.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
The show wisps.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Creep like creature's faint out.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Every shadow's got a secret to.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Crowd Monsters rise? Where the stories are told?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Squatching Hollow?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Where the legends are born? Are they here?

Speaker 5 (00:53):
Are they gone?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Who can say?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
In the hollow of the true just slifts way, Huge
footprints fade where the creek runs thand a lantern sways.

(01:22):
Let the search beak in rustling leaves, But there's no
one near. Is it the wind or the beast?

Speaker 6 (01:31):
You fear?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Everywhere goes a question. Every russell's a clue.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Spotching hollis got.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Its eyes on you.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Monsters.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
The stories are told?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Spatching How where the legends are born?

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Are they?

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Are they gone?

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Who can say?

Speaker 5 (01:55):
There?

Speaker 7 (01:56):
Then said?

Speaker 8 (01:59):
And now with your Squatching Holler Hosts Roger Williams, Amanda Stowers,
and Ashley Rammings. Remember this podcast can be downloaded everywhere
great podcasts are found. And now the show.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Hello, Hello, Hey, hey Roger, how you doing.

Speaker 7 (02:27):
I'm good this evening?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
How are you same here? I'm excited, I'm excited for
all guests, but Cain. A lot of people in Chat
already know they know Cain. One thing I like about
him is, if you're going to get better at anything,
you need to be around folks that are better than you,
that can teach you things. And if any of y'all

(02:49):
have seen Enoch three to six year House of Enoch
on Facebook, he always puts things out there to make
people think and question things and try to put puzzle
pieces together. And that's that's what I like about him.
And you haven't got the meeting. You met him back stage.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
I made it backstage a little bit. And you were
teasing me earlier like, yeah, don't you remember when we
interviewed him previous, Like, actually, no, that wasn't me, that
was that was Greg.

Speaker 7 (03:16):
You and Greg who interviewed him last time before.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
We earn and I forgot.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I think Caine is now in the lead for the
most times on Squatch and Holler than any other guests.
Uh Greg, Greg probably second or tied with him. But
since we talked to him last, he had some pretty
amazing things happened. He even went live on Facebook in
the middle of it. So when we get done, when

(03:44):
we get done here, y'all go to his Facebook page. Uh,
how Savina, there's Ashley. Come on in here, Ashley welcome.
So we yeah, we have a lot of things, we
have a lot of pictures, we have a video that

(04:04):
he took. And for y'all, we're not gonna spend too
much time on this. We'll bring Cane in and I'm
gonna immediately show you one of my favorite pieces of
evidence that he has, and that's one of the footprints.
So let's bring in here. How to sir, everybody, welcome in.
Thank you. I appreciate you, uh, you know, spending time

(04:26):
coming in to uh spread the knowledge because you you know,
I'm I'm just going to say, you're one. You're one
of the best researchers I know because of how you
document things, and you know that's that's uh, that's what
we need.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
And and the fact that you share some of it
is just amazing to me because you can't get just
anybody to talk about it.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Well.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
I appreciate that. That's the whole reason I created the
page to begin with, because you know, a decade ago,
when I started this, I felt like there was a
lack of of you know, there was a lot of
Bigfoot enthusiast pages, but there was like nothing with any
meat and potatoes like like for researchers. And so I

(05:12):
tried to document the experience in my journey from starting off,
you know, not known a whole lot, and just putting
it out there. And over the years, you know, I've
got some people that have followed me from day one.
I can't believe it, but over the years, you know,
just starting to put things together and trial and error.

(05:32):
I try to try to put all that out there,
and you know, sometimes it's okay to be wrong, you know,
it's just if we're all honest, none of us know
a lot about this subject. So we have to keep
pushing the boundaries and asking different questions and trying new things.
And I've just I've just tried to dedicate my time

(05:55):
to doing that. And I'm also in a situation where
where I live and my lifestyle. You know, I live
in my research area. I have the ability to pretty
much hike every single day, so I can really you know,
this area, I can I can really deep dive and
document things as they happen, the little changes that I find.

(06:20):
So that's kind of kind of the idea about the
whole thing.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, I know exactly how that is. I lived in
an area for twenty years and people make comments, something
would be out of place, and I would know it
because I was there all the time, and little things,
you know. But I know what you're saying. If you
if you're in an area five times a week, if
there's a rock turned over that wasn't on Tuesday, you're

(06:46):
going to know it.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
So that I.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Absolutely exactly absolutely.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
So oh yeah, Billy Shilling.

Speaker 7 (06:56):
Yeah, birthday show.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, happy birthday came.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Oh yeah, thank you, thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (07:04):
Happy birthday.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
So I'm going to show something quickly. We have a
lot of new people. Our audience got bigger when we
joined with Doug. And this is one of my favorite things. Y'all, Caine,
you didn't have plaster of Paris. You had these concrete
right when you found this track.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah, depending on the track that you're going to show,
I believe, okay, so right there that there's a story
behind us. That is that was casted about twenty twenty
minutes from here.

Speaker 9 (07:44):
This was because one thing is as big as you are. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (07:48):
I was noticing is like, holy crap, how big is that?

Speaker 4 (07:51):
So that cast if anyone knows the guys over at
uh Rich mccambleish and his group. Oh geez, GIRLO blank,
it's a cryptid research cryptied are you?

Speaker 3 (08:09):
You are your olders.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Researcher cr CR. But anyway, this was when I first
met Richard so and this was a couple of years
before I ever, ah ever even seen a cast like that.
And then you know, a few years later, I casted

(08:32):
four prints the exact same size of that all my property.
And yeah, there's there's the the big one there I have.
I actually have four of those. The they're about a
twenty four inch track. And yeah, at the time I
had I didn't have enough casting material, so I had

(08:53):
to use concrete and it took sixty pounds of concrete
to smoke. So I have that that that cast in
here I could show at some point. But what Richard
and I ended up doing is I scanned everything with

(09:14):
light ar now you have. Now we could have very
detailed measurements. My cast was about an inch bigger than his,
but you figure slippage of a foot and stuff like that.
The one thing we noticed on so all together, there's
five casts that size, because he had one, I have

(09:35):
four the toe that the the toes were exactly the
same size and width, which is uh to me, that's
really good strong evidence. And also as a crow flies
like Richard and I are are, you know, there's not
too many roads out here anyway, but as as a

(09:59):
crow flies, you can go break through woods from my
house to Richards. But if you have to take the roads,
you know it's going to be twenty minutes because a
lot of the roads around here you have to go
around the valleys and stuff. And there's a lot of
I mean, I'm in the mecha of national and state parks.
There's so many of them. Like my my property connects

(10:20):
all that.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
And that was ju.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
It's a so I live in Hockin County, Ohio.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
Okay, yeah, you're definitely in the Old.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Man's Cave and some of those sites that is the
family group right there that that I've been documented over
several years that have crossed my property.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
And for a second, Roger, okay, go ahead, mister Kane.
I'm sorry to me to cut you off. I was
going to ask a question about this.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Uh, the smallest one. I've been able to document it
and cast it over four different years. So I'm actually
documenting the growth rate of its foot. Oh yeah, so uh,
it's it's really interesting. And there's there's once you start
doing this and being able to document as they're passing

(11:11):
through the property, there's a lot. So the really big
one I just call that the father. I assume the
middle one I just call that mom, and then the
youngest ones like junior. And but what's really yeah that
I've documented is it's the mother is always closest to

(11:35):
the cabin every the juvenile is always in between mom
and dad no matter where they come through at and
the father is usually on the outskirts of the property,
but close enough to come in if he needs to
take care of business. But it's the mother. Mother is
always the one that gets really close to the cabin.

(11:55):
I think maybe she's like the lookout. And there's also
like from being out here so long, I've learned their
their their cadence. So you know, one thing, one thing
I always see that I try to tell people is
just because you there's a there is a call and response,

(12:19):
and they each have their own separate call and response,
and they know immediately if you go in and you
have the wrong response, they know there's an outsider there
and I've tested that and learned the hard way and
been corrected for that. But for many years I always
thought there was one moving around the property because these

(12:42):
call and responses are roughly ten minutes apart. You know,
they don't have a watch, but it's really close. Like
you'll you know that my At my place, usually the
first thing I'll hear as a knock and it's a crossed.
It's a cross I have a pond and it's across

(13:03):
the way. It just for anyone that doesn't know, I
live on seven hundred and fifty acres out here. Tall woods, hardly,
I mean it's complete wood cover. You'll hear the knock
and then you got to wait somewhere around. You know,
it could be eight minutes, it could be twelve minutes.
Then you'll hear a mouth pop and it's over on

(13:24):
the other side of the property. Wait ten twelve minutes
somewhere and you'll always hear what sounds like something hitting metal.
And then even after that, sometimes you'll hear something that's
a little a little farther off that I can't but
I know for sure there's three and that is there.
And this is something I've not only recognized, but it's

(13:47):
it's what they do. It's and it took me years
to figure out that that portion of it. I've actually
been out in the woods and there was a four
wheeler going down the road and I had gotten home
from work. A lot of times I can't stop, Like
if I go and sit down, I'm done. So a

(14:07):
lot of times they as soon as I get home
from work, I get out of my truck and straight
into the woods. So I get a couple hours in
the woods. So that four rulers going down, and I
think it really shielded me entering the woods. And as
the four roemer went past my house, it really did.

(14:28):
It sounded like it was coming up the driveway. As
soon as it did that, I was just out there.
I'd just gotten out in the woods, really close by
a knock, and I just I dropped to the ground
and I sat out there and I listened to this
whole cadence again, and then I'm like, oly crap, I'm

(14:51):
right out here in the middle of them. And I
was sitting down so long it got it was getting dark,
and my legs went numb, uh, just just from sitting
in that for so long, and Eventually, you know, it's
getting dark and I'm hearing stuff like creeping up close

(15:11):
to me, and finally I had to stand up. As
soon as I stood up, I stumbled because my my
feet my feet were numb, and everything stopped like they
I was absolutely busted that I was out there for
a long time, not just not just one time, but

(15:32):
the series. You know, like just sitting there. I was
up against a tree and then you know, it was
like forty minutes later the series started again. I'm like,
holy cow, it was really really cool. And that verified
it to me. Okay, this this is how they communicate
as they're they're crossing the property.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Came for people that don't that don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
I was.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
I'm lucky enough to know some people that have good
information the difference. But between a rock clack mouthpop and
a knock. Can can you kind of describe that that sound?
Because I've heard the resonance in the throat and the
sandus cavity, which tells you that it you know, it's
a mouthpop. Can you explain that to people?

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yeah, the I've gotten several mouthpops on audio. But so
a knock sounds like someone hitting a baseball. In the
baseball field hitting the home run, you'll hear that. I
don't know, I don't know if they're actually hitting a tree.
I know, you know, they could also get that same
sound from smacking a tree with their hand or taking

(16:39):
and hitting a lot of trees if you test it
certain trees, the root you hit down towards the root
base of like a herdwood tree could produce that same sound.
But you'll have that and the mouthpop is really like
a right carries carries out through there. And then the

(17:00):
other one is what I mean, it just sounds like
something heady metal. And I do have a fallen homestead
on my property and it's it's a good click away.
But that is the only thing out there, the only
thing out there that.

Speaker 9 (17:16):
Of rock on rock sounds.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yes, absolutely, Eric and I uh have experienced that before.
And if if you just I don't know this, but
if you ask me straight off the cuff, the rock clacking,
to me, I believe is a distress call for a juvenile,
like if a juvenile is a juvenile will clack rocks.

(17:41):
That's what happened to Eric and I. Anyway, we walked
into an area and this this there is really rapid
rock clacking, and it's it sounds like two rocks, you know,
all hell breaks loose. And this thing, something was hitting
a tree and it sounded like a mashie gun and
we could hear the we could hear the actual log splittering,

(18:05):
either it splittering the tree or I mean, the concussion
force of this is unbelievable. And as soon as soon
as it felt like we got surrounded, once the rock
clacking stopped, we were we were. I climbed a tree.

(18:25):
Eric almost jumped off a cliff. I mean he debated
that because something clapped right up behind him and it
was like a long jump, and he for a second
thought he might have to jump off this cliff. And
once that rock clacking stopped, everything just like nothing ever happened,

(18:46):
and Eric and hike, Uh, we hiked a mile. I'm like,
I don't I if someone's up out here messing with us,
I want to know.

Speaker 9 (18:56):
And we hiked like I truly have that in the
back of your mind. I mean, is it ever really
going through your mind? Hey, this could be people messing
with us. And has that ever actually come to fruition
or is it more just to settle yourself against the
reality of what we know is in the woods, like
we know these things are there absolute.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
When we first started, I mean, there were so many
times we were in areas we would hear tree knots,
we would hear stuff, and we always thought it was
just another hiker out there. I mean, we just messed
so much stuff when we started. It wasn't until we
got to know the area and we're like, especially Eric
and I back in the day, I mean we were serious,

(19:36):
avid hikers. We've hiked over three thousand miles off the
off trail and we would get out there and once
we knew the area and we're like, there ain't no houses,
there ain't no hikers out here. Like, once you know that,
it's kind of like my property here. You know, when
I post stuff online, a lot of people are like, well,
it's probably your neighbors or you got you don't know
where I live. That is just that that is I

(20:01):
look pretty remote. There's a lot of land here and
you don't you don't. Absolutely no way you're going to
walk in these woods at night without a flashlight. You
will die playing simple. There's people that die here. Every
single summer. I had one this year, they've had four,
like a couple of years ago. Uh. These are for

(20:23):
the area that I live in, a Hockey county. These
are like one hundred foot drop offs. You could just
be going it's it's all been carved out by and
glaciated and it is not an area that you're going
to be walking out here in the dark. That is
a fact. I won't do that.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
And it's natural, like before you learn about these things. Uh,
just not like who is that? Because you're not thinking
about anything.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Yeah, I mean all of us are rational people. You
always assume uh ration, you have rational thoughts, you know.

Speaker 9 (20:59):
When I have yeah, the path of least resistance, you're like, okay,
let's think this through. And yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Several times out here I've heard girls giggling, Oh yeah,
I do. I do not care how many times it
happens to me. My first instinct is, well, somebody is
lost out here, and I'll walk right towards it, trying
to help somebody, because if you're if you're out in
my property, you are you are surely lost. Same thing

(21:28):
with the lights. Many times I have seen the lights
out here, and my first thought is that someone's head
lamp and they're lost. I absolutely, uh, one time. At
least I've gotten it on camera many times. But one
time I videoed. Then I'm like, there's someone over here
in my woods. I kept seeing this light going on

(21:51):
and off, and I walked right to it and there
was there. There was nothing there. So yeah, rationally, you
you honestly, that should be the first thing I think
I would question someone that thinks everything's a big foot
because everyone's so.

Speaker 7 (22:09):
And when you say lights, are you meaning like an
ORB type light?

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, it's I've got some. I think I have a
picture of one that I sent to Roger that we
can It was across my pond. That is. It's what
it is. It's like an ORB or a light that here. No,
that is that is something else. That's it's a it's

(22:37):
a light that doesn't emit. It doesn't emit past it.
It's like within, it doesn't shine around it. It's just
it's like an ORB. Yeah, there is one of It's
probably like a grainy picture.

Speaker 9 (22:51):
We get to the ORB picture. Amanda. You had questions
about the big cast pictures too.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
I did.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
Yeah, those are some really interesting cast.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
It's just if you zoom in that that uh, I
don't know if you can zoom in on that. But
there there is a light right right towards the bottom
of that hill right there.

Speaker 7 (23:12):
It's a very tiny little dots there in all the black.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yes, And I mean that that's right straight my pond
is right there, and that is straight into the hillside.
That it's not a star. There is not a There
is not a house or anything out there that is
that could be that light. It's just and it happened.

(23:39):
It happened to get my fe what's.

Speaker 9 (23:42):
That if you had to judge the distance from the
where that picture was taken.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
I was on my eyes, on my deck, so no
more than two hundred yards, probably a little less than that,
because you go right down from my deck down the hill,
I have about a I don't know, maybe a uh
three quarter acre pond and it was just right along
the bank of the pond there, And I mean I
watched it go and then I was like enough that

(24:08):
I could go get my camera and take actually take
a picture of it.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
And when you say camera, did you use your phone?

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Or what do you think causes the lights? Because we've
you know, we've experienced a lot of that too. I
don't know if it's connected, But is it the area
you think or what is going on? Because a lot
of people come into this and they'll they'll they'll get
go out looking for bigfoot supposedly, you know, and then

(24:36):
all of a sudden they come back with these stories
just like that. We've seen that before also, and in
places where there's revene, you'd be stupid to come through
there because there's thirty and forty foot crevices from where
the river years ago, like what you're talking about. And
I don't even like walking through some of that in
the daytime. So it wasn't anybody and and all of

(24:57):
a sudden they disappear, you know, and what do you what?
What do you think they are?

Speaker 4 (25:04):
It's either it's either that I don't know, obviously part
of the land. And I also, I mean I I
am a very big proponent proponent of the Native Americans
and their word of mouth that they passed on. I
don't believe that we give them enough credit. You know,

(25:27):
we're new here. They had a culture here for you know,
over ten thousand years, and they're how they explained all
the same things. You know, they have the same experience
as we did, and they believe most of them believe
that that there was a connection with the lights to Sasquatch,

(25:48):
And I who am I to disagree with that, because
I mean the accounts that there they talk about, I
have the same I'm having the same experiences out here.
And I can tell you when when you start seeing
those lights and weird stuff, they're very likely going to
have some kind of Sasquatch activity.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yell.

Speaker 9 (26:10):
And it seems too like a lot of activity coming
out of Ohio. And not to say that it has
always been coming out of Ohio. I think just more
people are open to talking about it a lot more,
but Ohio seems to be the whole state seems to
be a hotspot currently. And did you did you know

(26:30):
that going into this property? Was this something you were
kind of looking for or just I mean is it
family property? Like how how did that come about?

Speaker 4 (26:39):
I know I was looking for that this place specifically
when I bought this property to that that I could research.
A lot of people don't probably realize that probably three
quarters of the state of Ohio. I mean, yeah, I
would say three quarters is wood covered the whole side
from the top down and the entire south Like I

(27:03):
live about a three hour drive from the Ohio River.
You can absolutely walk that in any direction and underwood cover.
And I think Ohio is ninety two thousand miles square,
so you know, there's a lot of state parks. There's
a lot, so I think a lot of it is.

(27:26):
Ohio is a really you know you have on the
western side of Ohio is a very agriculture. As you
go up north, it's all farms and stuff. But the
other side it's all wood. So it doesn't surprise me
at all that there's a lot of activity. To get
to your point, yes, I had the opportunity to make

(27:46):
a big jump in my life and to kind of
do something, and I had the opportunity, so I started
searching for a place down here. And what I did
was I started looking, like initially when I when I

(28:08):
found this cabin that I didn't know, but I saw
sign in the woods on the way there and it
was really up the bonies, and I'm like, I like
the cabin. So I had the person that did the
inspection for the cabin. He was out here for like
six hours. While he was doing it, I was hiking
all all over here and I saw some signs you

(28:30):
know stuff like some of the stuff you're seeing right now,
and I'm like, okay. My thought was, if I know
for a fact that there's things close by, and hopefully
I can bring them in, bring bringing them in closer
to me, And I started really trying to make my

(28:53):
presence known here. I still do that to this day.
I try to. I want to be I call him wildly.
I just want to be another wildling out here, and
I invert myself into the conversation. When you see all
the stick structures and stuff like that, there's things that
I do. Whenever I notice something like that, I have
my own sign that I do and I leave it there,

(29:16):
usually has my scent on it, and I insert myself
into the conversation. And over the years now there's all
kinds of little places around these woods where eventually they
know that it's me. You know, I play Native American drums.
I'm always putting myself in the conversation. And that's an asterisk.

(29:39):
Those are really prominent on my property now, so that
right there, when I first moved in, it was a
totally different type of thing that I was seeing another
very prominent structure. And then over a certain point, these

(30:00):
asterisks start appearing everywhere, and I I have my theories
on this. I don't know, it's like a boundary and
there's two clans, you know.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
I have some.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Ideas because at one point behind my cabin there was
a really hot spot where Eric and I there's a
lot of sign up there and we had awesome activity
up there. And I remember going out there one day
and all those structures were knocked down. Oh yes, all

(30:37):
of them, and new stuff was put up, and there
was you know, it was like a ridge and there
was a row of xes going all the way up
the ridge, almost like a fence, but every you know,
I would say fifty feet, and to me it looked like, okay,
somebody just came in, not down all. There's put up

(31:01):
their little border. And then all of a sudden, now
the new signage around a property, like really, there's probably
that asterisk I showed you. At least that's what I
call it. There's at least twelve of those of my
property now that we're not here when I because I
documented that. But when I first moved in, I went
through and documented everything. And then that way I have

(31:26):
I have a place marker. You know, if I see
something new in the woods, and I'm like, oh, was
that there? Before I get right back and look and
be like, I mean, I've actually watched like leaners and
watched them go to different trees, you know, And if
you're not in the woods enough, you know, if you're

(31:47):
going every week, one weekend out of the month or something,
well you're not going to know that those two sticks
were on this tree and now they're on this tree.
And that's really what started to get me like, Okay,
there's so much happening under our noses that we don't
realize because we're not in the woods long enough enough
to see it. So that really inspired to me ward

(32:08):
that like I need to be out here every night.
It bothers me when I'm not out there every night,
miss a night, or if it's raining, or I'm always wondering,
I wonder what I'm missing. And I can't hike this
whole property in one night. So what I do is
I go out and I'll hike a section of it,
and then then that's not I'll hike a section of
it and eventually I make make the perimeter. And there's

(32:31):
also certain areas of the woods that I just I
only go in maybe twice a year, and I just respect,
you know, I know, I know, like when I tell
you about that where I hear the knock, the first knock,
I don't usually go over on that portion of the
property except maybe twice a year. The stuff behind me,

(32:55):
there's stuff that I mean, there's sign that's really close
to my cabin that I have document absolutely was not
there and now it is. And there's quite a bit
of sign really close to the cabin. Up on where
I'm at. There's literally a redge that goes up twelve
hundred feet. I'm up about eight hundred feet in elevation,

(33:16):
so there's a straight up behind me and to the side.
And I live in a hollow, you know, so it's
like this, and my cabin's kind of right there in
this what they call hollows here if.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
You want your mind blown. One of the first times
I talked to Kane, and he was talking about the
communication and his own symbols and stuff like that, he
said he walked out after doing that for a while,
he walked out on his porch and they had left
him that symbol. They made that symbol.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Oh wow, Yeah, And I just leaned back in my chair.
I was like, oh, that was just what did.

Speaker 7 (33:52):
They used to leave that with you? Was it something
small like small.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Sticks or rocks or well I had This was when
I first started playing with the idea. So at that
time I was I was doing a couple of different things,
but I was over. I wasn't even on my property.
I was what I call no man's land. It's it's
you just hike. And I saw it was a I
believe it was a uh there's a dad turkey. There

(34:18):
was a site where a turkey was killed, and there
was there was like a little teepee structure right up.
I guess that that a tree. And what I did
I didn't have a lot with me. So I found
a rock, put a rock under it and made a
triangle and just left it there. And it was a
It was a week or so later I was walking

(34:41):
out back by my fire pit and there's a rock
with a triangle in my backyard and I'm like, okay,
not only not only did they emulate what I did,
like they know that I did it, you know. Yeah,
So that's what I really start thinking. I'm like, Okay,

(35:01):
now I have a braid that I do I'm a
fidgety guy. I I'm always like.

Speaker 7 (35:09):
I'm sitting here fidgeting with my hands. Can't sit still.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yeah, I'm stinging, you know. I'm that kind of guy.
So a lot of times when I'm hiking, I'm actually brady.
I take bark strip off the trees and I braid necklaces, bracelets,
and what I end up doing when I see something
like that, I just hang it, hang it nearby, and
then if you look around here, you're like out back,

(35:35):
I do the same thing. So anything that's out there
at this point, they know that I'm the little braid
maker or whatever, and they also know I'm the guy
playing native drums because I do. I have little drums too.
Sometimes I'll just play it out in the woods or
a native flute. And then my thought on that is
when I'm out here at night and uh, with all

(35:58):
the lights off and stuff, I'll I'll either play the
drums and that just carries through the valley. So something's
a mile away or something, it's like, oh, that dude's
out there, it might attract him, like, well, let's go
check out what he's doing tonight. Or it's just all
identifying me. So if you don't know someone's name. That's
That's another thing that I do do is I have

(36:19):
a certain certain it's not really uh it's kind of
like a bird call, but I announced myself with a
certain tone and with the with the intent that I'm
identifying myself, because I'm also identifying myself really by my
scent and by my sign that I use, and by

(36:43):
the drum all these identifiers. Like and I really, you know,
try to really put out a peaceful vibe the deer
around here. I do let people hunt my proper two
people hut my property, my cousin and Eric, you know,
were my best friends. I don't and I I love

(37:08):
it because the deer, the deer aren't scared of me.
I wouldn't be able to hunt right now, because I
mean I could stand twenty feet away and kill one
and I don't want to do that. And I have
a relationship with the owls here. I have three owls
that will literally fly in if I'm sitting outside, even

(37:28):
with a bonfire or something, I'm out there by myself.
They'll fly in on a tree and hang out with
me for like forty five minutes. Sometimes they'll fly right
up to me, and land. I got it on film
not too long ago. I was hiking in this owl.
I looked up and he was right there on the
tree and we kind of I kind of did my thing.

(37:49):
I just walked away slow. The next thing I know
was follow me, you know, in the woods, and then
it flew right down in front of me and I
was able to film. The whole thing comes up and
it looks at me and the eyes off and that's
the kind of relationship, you know. I like super try
to tune in. I tune into the insects, the birds,

(38:12):
and the great the greatest thing for me is when
I'm sitting out there and out on the deck and
I'm either like you know, a lot of times when
I do my drums, I will i will be listening
to the ambient sound of the crickets and everything, and
there will be a rhythm and I'll get into that rhythm.
And the best thing for me is when there's owls there,

(38:36):
there's the crack as that, and then you start hearing
the calls back and forth and we're all just out
here living, you know, just sharing a moment, you know,
at night, just we're all there and we're all living
under the same canopy and we're just sharing this moment together.
And that's how it feels like to me, like there's

(38:56):
nothing greater than that. I don't need to take it picture,
you know a place. At times like that, I'm like, man,
we're kind of in this together and we're you know,
you kind of feel like you're accepted a little bit.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
It's just pretty cool and you you know, you sound
like you've built trust. But something happened July fourth, Yeah,
it was a little odd start with that. What happened there,
you can.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Never I mean, I it's so powerful what they do
sometimes that you don't know how to take it because
it's scary. I mean, that night I slept with a gun.
But it started. I was, uh, there's July fourth. I
ended up not doing anything. I didn't go see anybody.
I've kind of been hermiting out. But I was working

(39:49):
on my motorcycle, Harley, and I was getting it running.
So I was out in my driveway got it running,
you know, I'm reving it. And but while I was
working on I heard I heard the sounds. I don't
know really how to say it, because I mean there's
a lot you hear a lot of stuff out here,
but there's particular movements and sounds that just like I

(40:09):
caught my eye. I didn't think too much about it.
I finished doing what I was doing, but I absolutely
because of that is why I went out later that night.
And another thing, Uh, people online they go nuts that
don't know me or the page, and I'm documenting like
stuff happening in the dark, and they go crack like,

(40:31):
why isn't this guy freaking turn this porch light on her?
You do you have a flask flight? You're kind of
missing the point here. But I went out and I
was getting stuff thrown at me, and they were but
you know, I'd go to one side of my deck
and they would land right beside me to go. So

(40:53):
I'm like, okay, it's not just random nuts falling at
this point, it's following me per wherever I'm staying. And
that was going on. So I ended up. Then I
didn't a lot of it I didn't catch on camera,
but really loud, which we can play the video, but

(41:16):
that happened several times that night enough to that once
that started happened, it it freaked me out a little bit.
It's just so powerful when you experienced the impact and stuff.
It's it's I don't care who you are, it's I
was nervous. I ended up. I didn't feel comfortable being

(41:39):
out on the deck in the open. So where I
took that video, I was. I have a screened in porch.
I was sitting in there. I mean, in my mind,
I'm thinking, Okay, you know, this was cool. I am scared.
But man, something if something that hits the cabin that
hard decided to throw it hit me in the head,
I'm done. That's in the back of my mind.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
So yeah, screen isn't going to do anything.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
We'll we'll play it. So I want you, uh don't
mind the canes cussing a little bit because I'm in
the same situation.

Speaker 7 (42:11):
And uh we all let some slip.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yeah, we're we're all adults here. So the thing is,
what I want to point out is there's a difference
between acorns and stuff thumping. Uh you know hen roof
and car the hood or whatever. Listen to this rock
land and hit the tin and uh we'll we'll let
it play. It's a minute, in five seconds, we'll run

(42:36):
it through here.

Speaker 10 (42:37):
Here we go, all right, yeah, okay, okay, mhm h yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Now wow, now we have some pictures you had your
uh do you have a fleer or what did you have?

Speaker 4 (43:52):
These are the These are the acorns that fall by
my house. So you heard that impact?

Speaker 3 (43:59):
They don't, they don't.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Yeah, there's no you cannot throw this hard. There's not
enough weight. I don't care how far. I've actually taken
a slingshot shot it up in the air and it's like,
you know, the impact is even you know live, it
was even more that. Then it was even more than that,

(44:21):
like what the camera capture.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Well, you can you can almost hear, well, you hear
the impact, but you almost hear the rock sliding and scratching.

Speaker 7 (44:29):
You could definitely tell it was a rocking. I don't
know how to describe it when you can tell.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
It's a difference between the two when it hits, because
I have a tin roof on my house too, and
you can tell when the acorns start falling itself.

Speaker 7 (44:42):
You know it's the acorns.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
It's a thumb, right, It's not. It's not like that.
So so what picture would you want me to show?
That one with you showing the size?

Speaker 9 (44:55):
Get into that. I actually had a question, so Caine,
it seems like you spent a very large amount of time,
energy effort acclimating yourself to this environment. To I mean painstakingly,
you have gone out of your way to just immerse
yourself in this environment whatever may or may not be

(45:18):
out there. Because we're not one hundred percent sure, why
do you think that particular night. I don't want to
say your presence was being challenged because we don't know,
but those orbs looked again, those similar descriptions of almost
plasma like orbs. To me, they seemed kind of I

(45:42):
don want to say sentient because we don't know, but
man like, but why that night? Do you think can
you think of anything going on mentally that maybe your
energy was off and you weren't as focused on being
super positive or whatever? Like? What why that night?

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Honestly, I don't think that was I don't in my heart.
I don't think that was meant to scare me. It's
just how powerful they are, like when they let you
know that they're there. Because I've experienced this a lot,
and there there's there's times where I hear something that
sounds like the impact of a car crash as the

(46:22):
only I mean even louder than what you heard there,
And I will go I'll be like, Okay, a damn
tree just fell on my truck, you know, I'll go
out there. It'll be nothing, It'll they'll be It's the
oddest thing. So sometimes it I don't know, but I
don't you know, I've never been hit hard. I have

(46:44):
been hit with things before, but not hard. My sister,
who's not into this guy hit got hit in the
backyard by by something. It was a nut or a
pine cut, I can't remember what it was now, but
she came in she's like something just h Yeah. So

(47:05):
there's times too, like uh, when I'm sitting out there though,
and I've collected the stones, it's it's like pee pea
gravel and just be sitting there hitting the top of
the cabin right, you know, like I think once I
was like five, So I'm like, I know they're there,
you know, and I'm looking at the deck and it's

(47:25):
it's a little piece of gravel and it's still scary though,
and you don't know, like I also have you know,
I sleep on the second floor. I have times where
things absolutely hit my window and almost it sounds like
hard enough to break it.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
And have you ever checked your gutters for small rocks.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
I have those. I don't know that you put. Yeah,
they don't work very good.

Speaker 9 (47:54):
But.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
I've got those tas clean of them.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
But I do have those my gutters. But that was
taken in Galina, Ohio. I thought that was from Oh no,
that's that's fine. That that that the was taken with
a Fleer scout. It was in Galena and I believe
August of twenty seventeen. I actually have that also on

(48:25):
on video and it was in my in Glena. I
lived up close to a preserve and this was through
my back was actually in my neighbor's yard. But I
was able to take that that several Fleer shots. So
that's the best one. Find the exact tree overlay daytime

(48:50):
pictures with with the Fleer images, line the trees up,
go find that exact tree. And what I did is
I went out there, I stood, I put a dot
at my height on that tree, go back, and then
I could basically upsize to where everything lines up with

(49:12):
my feet at the base of the tree with this
thing speed at the base of the tree, and that's
kind of how I came up. I think that's pretty accurate.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
First of all, it means to rush you. My finger
accidentally hit that picture of your find.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
That's that.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Second of all, y'all that have been with us squatching
hollers since the beginning, and know that a lot of
us have seen these things. This is perfect for what
I've always said. I can tell you something seven and
a half foot tall and eight hundred pounds, but until
you see the mass m you can't explain that. Now,

(49:48):
look it came and look at this mass here. It's incredible.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
I'm fine.

Speaker 7 (49:55):
Good A good comparison right here came.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Great job on this, Yes, and that's I mean I
went to the scale of the thickness of the tree.
If you I do have it on my page, you
can actually see both photos, the daytime photo with this
overlaid where I've lined the width of the trees up.
Nothing's exaggerated. As a matter of fact, I think I
moved it a little bit lower than probably what it

(50:22):
actually is. And also it's leaning. But I mean, its
leg is is as big as my body. Right and
again it's funny.

Speaker 7 (50:32):
One of our commenters literally just said the same thing.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Yeah and yah. Several beer images plus a video of
it moving.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
And for the commenters right quick. I have another screen
on to look at all the pictures, so I can't
see y'all, so I'm not ignoring you. I'm looking at
these awesome pictures.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
That that's actually.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
The I got.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
I got picked for the Discovery Channel. I don't know
the name of what it's going to be, but the
entire episode that I'm going to be on is going
to be this and all the evidence. So what ended
up happening too was things can't. I had to encounter
out in the woods, and this was all you know,

(51:25):
I don't know how they're going to present it during
the show, but those over a course of a couple
of days, and but I had an encounter in the
woods and they followed me back home, and I got
a lot of that on video. I've got I have
muddy handprints, I've got cast. So that entire show, I
mean they have I hope I don't, like I said,

(51:49):
I don't. I don't even know what the name of
the show is going to be. But we spent hours
and hours breaking this down, and they were a static
that I had so much like kind of evidence that
I collected to back up the story there there that
just a status. They're like, we're lucky to get a

(52:10):
picture and you have all this that you know. By
that time, I'd already started documenting everything, so I knew
it was important enough then to document it. There was
property damage. It bent my fence. That this is one
of the stills from the the actual video. You can

(52:30):
see the bulk of it, the arms. If any of
you guys ever seen Stacy's Stacy Brown's footage, like there
right there that that is a still from the video
and very similar. And what's crazy at the time was

(52:50):
I had all this where I lived. I was inviting
people out to like, hey man, I got the true
you can do whatever you want to do. We can
really like like, I have all this evidence, I got footprints,
I've got the actual tree that's a stay in front
of and none of the major people in the community

(53:12):
even gave me the time of day. Now, I will
say I did have some some Ohio people that absolutely did.
One of my really good friends, David and invited me
to do the Sasquatch Triangle conference. That's the first conference
I ever did. But it's because he he he believed

(53:32):
in the research that I was doing and was trying
to help me get this out there as well.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
So and you were, you were really busy this summer
and before that you did what Flash of Beauty and
Small Town Monsters.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
I did well, I did. I did the whole series
for Small Town Monsters where it's like cameo appearances. Uh,
they were out here a lot. I don't I don't
know how much more footage they have, but it's over
several different episodes. And those those people are I love them, man.

(54:08):
They're they're they're from Ohio. There's they're they're a small
independent film production company and they're out there doing, you know,
doing it. Great people. They actually came here, spent the
spent the day with me. I had mount in the
Woods and they're just putting they're putting these stuff together.
So that was really cool. And then the Discovery Channel

(54:32):
is with the Normatic of Films. If anybody wants to
see kind of what they're about, there's.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
On that fortune.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Yes, yes, yes, very very well done. And those were
great people too. Like I said, I I'm going on
faith that that this is gonna be good. Get you
know the way. They were really excited and they really
did spend a lot of time. They want to tell
the story. And that's all I really ever wanted with

(55:03):
that was just to have the story told. I think
they're gonna use AI and they're going to kind of
really want it. And it's amazing, like how much they
break down. I mean, there's probably gonna be a lot
about you know, me and my dog. They really focused
on I had my dog. I had a Doberman named

(55:24):
Doze or giant Doman that experiences with me, and I
mean they asked me questions like they wanted that story,
like me and me and my dog went through this together.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
I believe what the questioning and stuff was that it's
gonna kind of be a story about me and my
dog what happened and then what happened that night, and
and all the all the evidence that I collected. So
it should be cool and I don't know, go ahead.

Speaker 9 (55:56):
Oh, it's just so interesting that a creature of such
mass mass we can't even comprehend. I mean, when I
think of creatures of that mass, I'm thinking like bears
and elephants, and even then you put it in a
humanoid form with thumbs. That's just wild to me.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
I love the picture right there because that is the
same camera that I was using at the time, the
flair scout of a moose, and then so you can see,
you know, it's a great comparison. What I got is actually, yeah,
I try to cover a lot of different angles, and again,

(56:36):
like I think in some of the I have, this
was the best picture I have, but there was I
took several one of it. He's when I first gout,
he's standing, and I'm going through the filters because you know,
if you have, if anybody has an actual thermal imager,
sometimes you have to adjust it per night due to

(56:59):
the humidity if it rained. If so, as I see this,
you know, I am actually trying to filter get the
right filter on it, and I also trying to video it.
And then finally, you know, and this thing's moving, you know,
so I'm freaking out anyway, and I'm up there. So

(57:19):
I got several different filter shots of it. Finally kind
of kind of got tuned in to that last shot
of it, and then of course I got it moving,
and then the rest of it was just kind of
doing my own hillbilly method of sizing up. But I mean,
I do work for a mechanical engineering office. I scale

(57:41):
things for a living. So I'm really confident in my
ability to be able to to scale this out.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Are we looking at the right arm here?

Speaker 4 (57:55):
If you ask my opinion, this thing's walking away from
us actually, okay, and its arm is is kind of
you know, yeah, it was walking. It was walking away
from me. So I kind of looks like something peeking
out in front of the tree, but it's actually walking
away from me.

Speaker 10 (58:14):
There, Okay, that's really cool.

Speaker 7 (58:16):
Well, it's very interesting about this thermal images. It's also
almost yes, literally exactly what I was going to say.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
I've done some videos on that.

Speaker 6 (58:29):
Compared with this, this thermal image and the other one
that we had, not the one of you standing with it,
but of the of the big Foot. Was that the
from the same video or is this two separate individuals,
two separate filmings this.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
That's right here. All this that you're seeing right here
is the same night at the same time. It's it's
as it's happening.

Speaker 7 (58:55):
Gotcha that this is as it's going through like different
filters and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Well, that one actually is a still from the video.
And uh so in the video it's under this filter.
You can see it, you see it move you see
it's arm swing. That's another just a different field of
the same.

Speaker 9 (59:16):
Yeah, Okay, it's crazy to me how something that big
can also have the dexterity to build so gently the
structures from earlier in this episode. That yeah, like that
a big mass can.

Speaker 6 (59:32):
Blair witch stuff that that that's exactly it literally is
a blair witch looking, Yeah for sure.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Right outside right.

Speaker 7 (59:43):
Oh, let's go back to the other image real quick, Roger,
It's not that one.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
That one.

Speaker 6 (59:50):
So look, if I'm looking at the this glyph here
in the top left, what if like, if I'm looking
at the screen the top left corner, it looks almost
like part of the branch is like wrapped around.

Speaker 9 (01:00:03):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:00:06):
Wow, that is really cool.

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
I was wondering I was looking at that. I was like, well,
maybe it's just you know, trying to look at a
picture without context.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
It looks like I prop up there day day after
it was made, so that you know, it's kind of
it was so close to the cabin it was like
hard to miss. But now imagine imagine leaving out here
seven and fifty acres in the dark, no light, and
you have, uh, you get your car. It's pitch dark

(01:00:34):
out and you start driving and you see that in
your words, you know, talk about the creepy factor, like
oh wow, yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
What as soon as I saw it, I know, y'all
thought Blair Witch. As soon as I saw it, I'm
thinking constellation like a person shape shoulders and a waists
and legs and we don't know, but I mean, that's
that's exactly what I thought.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Well, this much there is. See how you have the
X with the with the stick going across it. That
is a very common sign out here, not not usually
with the other stick, but that is a marker that
there there's this one was really close to the cabin.
But I could take you out to four other locations,
some of them maybe forty five minutes from here. But

(01:01:21):
that is that is a sign that means something to
them because I've seen it so many times. That's that's
when I start documenting. And sometimes you can take not
so much well this structure here, Like I there's a
gas line on the top of the ridge. There was

(01:01:42):
at one point just inside the gas line there there
Now there was something pulled, you know, because this gas
line goes for miles. There was something that that caught
my eye as I was walking in it was something
like a branch or something. But I just walked into
the woods and there was something just like this, exactly
like this, and I was able to follow that and
find like three more of those and ended up coming

(01:02:06):
right back to my cabin, you know. So, and now
these have been so this was a couple of years old.
These have been replaced with those asterisks you see. Now
there's others sign out here, but so that was. Yeah,
these are like really prominent now. And these here if

(01:02:29):
you kind of if you know what you're looking at,
you can find where the rest of these are at
some stuff that I hold really close to my chest,
but this is one that I have deciphered to a
certain extent. Like I can look at this right now
and I can tell you that I can tell you

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where to go to find one just like this, and
it might be on top of that ridge across the
way or even farther, but there there's information in these.
Another thing I can tell you is this one right here.
You can't see in the picture, but there is a
path that goes right like you got the bottom of

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the structure right here, there is a path of wild
edibles that that's standing right over top of and that
we're in bloom. And once you start adjusting your eyes
to seeing stuff like this and then start knowing like
the wild edibles, then you start documenting this, what's that.

Speaker 9 (01:03:33):
What's the smallest structure you've come across?

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Roughly, I've seen one that are about a foot tall,
and usually when I see those, those are beside one
that's more of a regular size one. So I've always
equated that with the youth a youth train, you know, uh, imprinting,
and you will see that, like from state to state,

(01:03:58):
you'll see a lot of these kind of structures, but
they're a little bit different. Well, every individual or clan
you might want to call, does things a little bit differently,
and I've documented.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
That as well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
And another thing I think when we were backstage, I
was telling you about my involvement with the Amy Bo
and Project Zoo book and the stuff out in the Olympics.
They you get to you get to watch. One of
the things that really got the scientists involved with that was, uh,

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you know, they found like twenty seven nests out there.
They were finding practice nests, and that is something that
gorillas do and that's really what turned the tide because
they had they had excavators out there, they had all
kinds of people trying to figure out because they wanted
to log this area and there they in order to
log the area, they had to send a survey air

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out there. Well, he ends up finding these nests and
that you know, there's walls that they have to they
have to figure out what's in that area in case
they don't want something extinct. They went through this whole
thing and now now it's blown up to uh. They
they set that land aside. It's been over five years
now to let people study it. They and there's a

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multitude of scientists looking at this and it's a privilege
to be able to fly on the wall and see
them studying this. Now. These these are universities, they're primatologists,
there's marine biologists, anthropologists. There's kind of like an NDA

(01:05:38):
going on right now. They don't want their names out there,
but this is being studied. They've got DNA, they got footprints,
they've got twenty seven nests, they've constructed the nest. So
for the people out there that think they're all learning,
there's some serious science going into this right now.

Speaker 7 (01:05:55):
That is so awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
I spoke with Amy a couple of years ago, and
she was there the day some of the scientists showed
up and went in. She didn't go in with them,
and she said basically, when they came out after studying
these nests, they were grinning ear ear to ear. They
weren't expecting to find what they found. And Shane Courson
had explained how they stuck the sticks in to start

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weaving around the stick. It's intricate. I've never actually seen one.
I've seen them uh on you know, small town monsters
and stuff, but not actually you know, I hadn't got
a picture of study. But there you go again with
the intricacies and similarities to primate nests, and there there
are no primates.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
So some of the tell you this. So they interviewed
me and and uh Shane and the fellows at the
Olympic project. This is with all the scientists, and we
started going in. So I'm in Ohio. They're they're they're
there ever in the Olympic Grain Forest. And as we
got going with their nest sites and stuff, I have

(01:06:58):
Eric and I have found what we perceived to be
nest sites here. So I stopped. I'd never had talked
to Shane before this. I stopped them and I said,
hold on, I said, let you guys have already talked
to scientists. Let me explain to you what I have found,
and let's see what kind of correlation we have over

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here on the East coast versus the West coast. So
I went into it, and it break and blew their mind.
When I started talking about the elevation the especially I mentioned,
well that you know, these things are in v formations.
It was game over. They're like, you know, I did
not know that those nests in the Olympics were in

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v formations. But that's what ericon I had found here
in Ohio. Now. The only difference is they were using
huckleberry there, which is not something you have in Ohio. Here.
They were dismantling the tops of pine trees, like about
seven eight foot off the ground. They were snapping those
parts off, taking them to a site and building nests.

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All that that we documented.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
So and didn't Shane say that, uh so far up
on the huckleberry it was the same thing they were.
They were snapping maybe the tender part, I would think,
so they could weave it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
Maybe yeah, is not is not easy to work with it.
It takes a lot of strength to do what was
going on. And also they could see it that that
there were also feeding that were eating off of the Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Let me let me ask you this. So I asked Shane.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
UH.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Being a hunter and you know, paying attention to things, UH,
I would think that if if it was a baby
involved in UH and the wind where we're coming off
the coast there. I was asking if if they were
on like the southeast side of the of the hill

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and and there you got the morning sun right UH,
in a place where the winds blocked off, don't want
the baby? You know, you got the morning heat and
then at you'll have the leftover residual. You know that
kind of fades away. But is that is that something
you found?

Speaker 9 (01:09:06):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Thermal dynamics in the woods, not only this, not only this.
Absolutely there's a side of the of the hillside, there's
there's a placement at elevation, and there's certain places in
the woods that sound carries tremendous amount. Further, like, I

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have places here that I can hear so much clear.
And I was actually taught this by my my fellow
buddy Richard. He's uh. I probably don't want to talk
too much about his history, but he he is a
Special Forces and he was kind of a man tracker

(01:09:57):
for the government, and he when I was showing him
where things were crossing through my property, he immediately comes
and he goes, come here, walk right to where they
were at, you know, crossing THROATY is like, do you
notice anything, And I'm like, no.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
They can see your cabin from every spot.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Probably they could see that, but they there was there.
It was crazy. You stand in that position. I have
a pond and I have a fountain's year of the water.
It's kind of hard to hear, but it's standing in
that exact spot, you can hear everything. It kind of like, yeah,
it's just a place and I had never noticed that.

(01:10:36):
So then now there's parts in the woods where you
it's just by the the audio dynamics of the woods.
You can just hear better in certain places. And I
can tell you this.

Speaker 9 (01:10:48):
I live.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
I don't have too many cars on my road, but
if I'm outside, I can tell you when you know,
I'm about three miles from the main state state route
as you go down my I have like little dirt
road that I live on. But if I'm outside, I
can tell you when a car pulls onto my road.
Not only not only that, but I can hear you know,

(01:11:14):
now I know which neighbor it is. I know, and
I can tell when someone pulls into my driveway. Like,
so imagine something that's living out there. I know if
something's out there, they can hear my car, they can
return in the driveway, they can call it, they can
hear the car doors shut because I can hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Well, people think you're crazy, but growing up on a
dirt road in the middle of nowhere, you can almost
tell whether it's a car truck by the top of tires.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
Yeah, yeah, there's a guy that is.

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
If it's your truck, your brother's truck. If it's a
neighbor's truck, you know whose it is just by the
different sounds.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
That it makes. Yeah, there's a guy that lives on
another holler over. I keep swearing I'm going to sneak
over to his house at night and fix his muffler.
It's Sae is like, oh my god, it's That's the
other thing I've noticed, Like you think white sasquatch sometimes
get a little squirrely. I can tell you by just me.

(01:12:15):
When I'm out here and I'm in my zone and
I hear a plane overhead, it makes me mad. Or
if I'm trying to video something, i hear a car
or this freaking guy with his loud muffler. You got
to stop. I mean, it's upsetting. You're so used to
like it. It's kind of hard for me to sleep
in the city now because it's so quiet out here.

(01:12:39):
I I when I do spend the night and there,
you know, you're just close to houses that are close
to you, and there's people walking down street that to
me is so foreign now that it's hard for me
to sleep because it feels like there's someone like right
outside the window. And I to me, this is comfort.
It's a lot of people might be scary for them,
but for me, I'm like, I'm nestled out here in

(01:13:01):
the middlew now, and I mean, like I said, you
have to be lost to find me. And that's a
comfort to me. You know, it really is, because there
ain't there no one's coming out here.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
It took me a while to get used to this
dead end street in town because I grew up in
the country also, and it doesn't take long We went
out for ten days Wyoming, Nebraska and all out in there,
and when I got back here in a small town,
I felt claustrophobic because of the people. Yeah, you feel
free where you're at, you know, you feel more free,

(01:13:33):
and then when something like an airplane, I get it.
I've been you know, some of my best thinking time
was in the woods. You know, I would go walk
in or whatever. So you've got a is this a
nest or a tent structure?

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Here?

Speaker 7 (01:13:49):
Oh? Wow?

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Well okay, so this yeah, so this is right there.

Speaker 9 (01:13:54):
You were talking about, like you can see that same
similar Yeah, this was.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
Built July of last year, right across my pond. The
crazy thing about this was, like I said, my friend Eric,
fellow researcher, he hunts my property. This was his tree stand.
Imagine this, he said, has a tree stand that was
fifty sixty feet away facing this, so his hunting area.

(01:14:22):
In between the two, we had a deer feeder. Now,
who in the right mind is going to build a
deer blind or set up their own deer blind or
something in front of someone else's tree stand, which is obvious.
You're in the line of fire. And what's crazy about this?
You Price put eight adults in this thing. But when

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they made it, they did not break the branches they'd
been over and they used all that lumber there and
waved the branches down and the whole backside of this
is all just branches that have been added. And the
genius part of this is this comes back at you know,
this came back this year, just as the foliage is

(01:15:06):
the same because it didn't break, you didn't kill the
leafs uh and kind.

Speaker 9 (01:15:12):
Of a jump. But like it does remind me a
lot of crop circles, how intricate patterns, designs communication that
hasn't been necessarily deciphered yet. And as soon as you
said bending without breaking, the first thing that came to
my head was like crop circles.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
Yeah, they don't actually break the read the The other
cool part about this was that at one point Eric
had he had a trail cam facing his deer feeder,
so you can tell, you know, the deer coming in,
and then his trail cam picture you can see that
big log that's on top of it. There. It was
on the ground, so we have that documented that that

(01:15:52):
that's a big log. Man. It was picked up and
put on there to weigh all that down on the backside.
They used just the sticks and stuff that were around,
And we even documented over the course of that summer
that big opening at a certain point was closed in,

(01:16:13):
so you there at one point there was no opening.
I had that documented. And there is a ravine from
the top of the ridge that like like someone my
size or or even bigger, you can get in this
ravine and it goes right. You can almost see it
through the hole there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
I can see it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
You're undercover. You can go undercover in this ravine right
up into this. And one you have a vantage point
of that deer stand, and the other is you have
a vantage point of across the pond. That's where I
sit and when I'm out at night and stuff. I'm
sitting on my deck. You can see, you know, something
can go in there and just get a lay of

(01:16:54):
the land, like, okay, no one's in the deer stands?
Is that a weird guy up there that plays the drums?
Is the element of that tonight. This is also in
the general area where I get that first knock that
I tell you about. It's on this side of the woods.
I've also before this I documented another it wasn't quite

(01:17:16):
as intricate as this, but another blind where it looked
like something was sitting on the hill that could watch me,
you know, walk around the cabin or be on my deck.

Speaker 8 (01:17:28):
And I.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
Found another one. There's about forty five minutes from the property,
and you know, two different ways from my property, it's
a several miles to the next road, so it's all
just woods. And then I think my actual road has
ten houses on it and ten miles, so it's we're

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spread out, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Question. This may be just stupid, but the left side
of this picture, the left side of the structure, it
wouldn't be happening to be pointing north northwest.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
There's there. There's a lot of stuff that is not
in this picture that was also left. One of them
is a pretty pretty prominent sign, and I off the
top of my head, I don't know which direction it,

(01:18:27):
you know, like a what you call that like a
fork forked branch. Like I I've done videos on this
around the property and showed people like one of the
things to look for. There's it's it's like a forked
branch and it's long and it'll be stuck in a
tree parallel and I have those on my property, and

(01:18:52):
there's one of those actually just out of frame on
this and it's I'm trying to think which way it's
I can't remember which side there for versus.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Yeah, I was just thinking a wind break.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
And then you have the backside of it looks like
escape route because there's nothing in the way, and then
you could actually put stuff against this tree here to
block up for that side.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Yeah, the backside of that ravine, so you can go
right off the back end of that undercover. And it's
only like I'm sorry, uh, it's it's only maybe twenty
feet from the deer feeder. So my thought is, you know,
at night, they're probably getting in there and that's when
deer get you know, they might be using that's a
hunt too. Since he had the deer feeder, there's something

(01:19:41):
very interesting too. So Eric, you know, had a just
wasn't an automatic deer feeder. It's one of those ones
where you have to kind of build it up so
when they're eating a nozzle, more corn pulls out. So
he had it all build up, and uh, after all
this had happened, all the sticks that he had built
up for the nozzle to come out or gone and

(01:20:02):
they're relayed in or row like something just did this
and you know, of course we documented that as well.
Pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Yeah, that's uh seeing things like that and then paying
attention to it. Uh, you're right, I don't get out enough.
I do get out on one piece of land quite
a bit, and using you some of your information, actually
started paying more attention to how things were broken. And

(01:20:34):
I feel like, we know what here might be a
directional marker, either towards water or towards danger and it
and it's just a simple break facing this way. You know,
you're on a trail and then you see a fresh break.
We have found water sources going the way the break is,
and we've also found tree stands and other things. So

(01:20:57):
I don't know, it could have several meanings, be careful
this way or whatever. I don't know, but I know
you I'm looking at things different now.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
I don't know if like a lot of people in
your audience know, but a lot of markers and signs
and stuff will change, like sometimes people will only see
one once in a lifetime. But once you start documenting this,
like one thing's the bow, all right, Eric and I
had documented this for several years there's bows that at

(01:21:29):
one point it's locked down. You come back a couple
of minutes later, it's back open, and we're like, okay,
the trail's closed, the trails open, swung around. Stuff like
that will change. I've also documented actual structures. You go
back a couple of years later, that structure is completely
down and there's a new structure. So part of what

(01:21:51):
I do out here, I call it like spring cleaning.
It's almost like right right in the beginning of the spring,
things come through and they kind of build the stuff
almost like Okay, what's changed in the area, And these
structures will change. And I mean for anybody that That's

(01:22:14):
why I've been so strong about talking about tree structures
and stuff, is that there's so much documentation that this
is not random stickfall. These things are changing. They mean something.

Speaker 9 (01:22:29):
Interesting that these creatures, whatever they are, again we're assuming bigfoot,
but it's interesting that they would even need shelter, like
if they're such hearty creatures and yet you know that
sentientness of meeting shelter or wanting shelter. Maybe it's just
you know, proximity more than shelter itself. But man, that's

(01:22:51):
has anybody either yourself king or maybe you know of
other people who've done it. But has anybody ever taken
witching to these structures and mapped out any type let's
hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
Yes, I am a dowser. I've done all that, and
usually what I'm I'm trying to do now is well,
down down at the end of my road, there's an
Indian mountain. And if you know anything about uh worthy

(01:23:26):
very promis. Yeah. At one point, Ohio had over ten
thousand Indian mountains. It also had a stone pyramid that
was the biggest man made structure in North America until
they decided to disassemble it and build a dam out
of it for a place called buck Eye Lake, which
is assessble very strongly about Like stuff like that really

(01:23:50):
bothers me. The heritage that was destroyed. But the natives, Yeah,
the natives used kind of like a type of finch.
They built. They built their their villages and their their
monuments and their mounds and special areas that probably was
collected through way lines. Another thing that a lot of

(01:24:17):
people don't realize is some of the times that the
natives knew an area was special because they could feel
it vibrating through their feet. Now, we're a culture that
wears shoes, so we have no idea what the ground
that we're stepping on. And there there's really prominent places
in the United States where if you take your shoes off,

(01:24:39):
the ground is vibrating and to them that is ah,
you know, that was a sign and they're probably right.
There's something special about these areas.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Uh out. When Ashley asked about the why would something
need shelter, what popped into my head maybe the difference
between having hair instead.

Speaker 7 (01:24:59):
Of f Yeah, that is a really good point.

Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
I'll tell you this what I have found, and this
is just I've never really considered in the structures or
even what we saw that big. I don't view that
as a shelter. The stuff that I've found that I
know is they bed down kind of like deer, and
you'll see all these big impressions. So maybe this is

(01:25:28):
more to hide, uh you know, to uh.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Yeah, ambush.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
I do know just from all the tracking that I've done.
If if you're really into tracking, you can see I've
tracked things long enough to where you can see their
comfort from a stroll. Really thick wooded area where there's
very little visibility you can tell by the way it's
walking that is comfortable. And then when the area it's

(01:25:59):
really fin and you can tell by their stride that
they go through those areas fast. That is telling me
that they're comfortable with fool age. And I also think
that like when we're trying to get them at night
on thermal, a lot of times they're still hiding behind
a tree because I think they think that we can
see them as well as they can see us. So

(01:26:22):
I think they're just by nature they want to be hidden. Yeah,
that was that's just still from a video as well.
And for the audience there, if you notice down by
the leg, you can tell that it did move because
it moved its leg behind that tree.

Speaker 7 (01:26:41):
You can see a difference in the two.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Yeah, and it's also toting its head back. Was that
happened during a tree knock, and I captured the tree
knock on video. And what I was doing is I
had my back turn to this and I was filming.
I was looking this way, but I was filming behind
my back and kind of just panning, and that's I
was able to get that on camera as well. And

(01:27:05):
then obviously I went up and did all all the
all the homework to try to judge the distance, how
tall it was. And this this one was not to
my recollection. This one was depending on you know, how
close it was to the back of the tree. It
could have been six to seven feet. It wasn't giant.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Well what it's a hatten? Is that a rock or
is that a.

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
Tree? It's just you know, this was probably taken on
an iPhone eight or something at the time, and it
was a good one hundred and twenty uh probably let's
just say, like one hundred yards away up on the rig,
so it's blown up. So that's about the goodest quality

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of a picture I could get at the time.

Speaker 6 (01:27:54):
And that's one thing that people forget when they give
you crap about quote unquote blob squatch. This is like
you have to remember the quality of the of what
you're using in some of this stuff, like compared to
either pixelization and digitization.

Speaker 7 (01:28:13):
It all affects all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
I say all the time. I could tell you, hey,
go to the woods over here, I know they're squirrels,
take an iPhone and come back in two hours with
a good picture of a squirrel. Maybe you can, maybe
you can't. But it's harder than you think it is.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
I got pictures of bears and creek beds that you know,
doesn't mean the bear didn't exist.

Speaker 9 (01:28:36):
It's oh, that's a great quite Sorry. I have a
lot of questions. I apologize.

Speaker 7 (01:28:43):
I actually do too. I'm trying to figure out when
to cut in because I don't want to keep want to.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Shut up, change change like family, tell them up?

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
Yeah, care it all.

Speaker 9 (01:29:00):
How do I phrase this? So like bears, deers, raccoons,
possums whatever I almost said, Idaho, Ohio has do you
notice there's any type of barrier in your property where
certain animals you won't find as opposed to maybe just
even a few yards outside of you know barrier or I.

Speaker 6 (01:29:22):
Do have.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
I do have bear dens on my road. I've never
seen a bear here. I have casted some bear prints.
There's bobcats.

Speaker 9 (01:29:32):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
The thing about Ohio, the biggest thing you're going to
get in Ohio as a black bear. So that's one
of the cool things about Ohio. And two hundred and
fifty pounds, maybe a three hundred pound black bear in
Ohio is a big, big bear. And there are like
I said, what trail cams up all the stuff that
I've done. I have never got a bear on my

(01:29:53):
picture of it, but I've they've been down by my pond.
I've casted their footprints down there. It's rare, but I will.
There's an area not too far it's on my property
that I call a bone yard. And you walk through

(01:30:13):
at all, yeah, walk, you can walk a mile and
this certain stretch of woods and it is littered with bones.
It goes all the way up both to two different ridges,
and I just always call it the bone yard. Just

(01:30:34):
there's so many dead deer out there and even across
my like it's you know, across my property onto out
and know me as I continues, So you know, it's
just something about there. You're talking about a line. There's
a distinct line where there's an awful lot of bones
out there.

Speaker 7 (01:30:54):
It's not at all.

Speaker 6 (01:30:55):
Do you never notice any movement with any of the bones,
Like like you notice some of the tree structures and
things like that might have some movement or changes. It
is there, ever, any changes that you notice, Well, there
might or might not be more than just something natural
messing with the bones.

Speaker 9 (01:31:11):
I had never found any bones in a asterisk or
any other standing structure.

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
I have not, but I had the fellows at ocr here.
Richard Dean was out here and I was out showing
him some stuff and he's just smiling. He's like, see
you don't see that. I'm like looking all around. He's like,
now you're you're thinking about this too hard. I'm looking
all over and I don't see anything that he's talking about.
And finally look in front of you. I remember that

(01:31:40):
your stuck into the stub of a tree, one that
was broken off, and I mean I didn't even know
it was there. I mean he saw a right when
I came up, and uh, you know, I'm looking around
and I mean I didn't put that thing there. Like
I said, there's no one there, so I don't know.

(01:32:02):
You find weird stuff like that. I've had bricks that
outside that'll be stuck up on like higher than I
can reach. I'm like on the cabin, up on the
logs sticking out of the cabin. There'll be like a
brick up there. Weird little weird things that happen.

Speaker 9 (01:32:19):
So I want to rewind the conversation a little bit
back to when we were talking about noises and like, uh,
rocks and sticks and all sorts of noises. There's been
many reports of Bigfoot. Suppose the Bigfoot's being able to
mimic noises, just you know, mimic noises. Do you think
what in that footage we watched. I have a whole

(01:32:42):
thing of notes here that I've been taking this entire time,
so I'm trying to like get back to all these questions.
Do you think that really loud crack noise in the
video you played? Is it possible they were trying to
mimic a gunshot more so than throw something at you?

Speaker 4 (01:32:59):
Anything as possible. This is an interesting point where I've
talked about these high that the high impacts and stuff
that you hear. You heard that you would think that
was a little left of mark or something on the
tenre some of the times where I say, like it
sounds like it equates to a car crash. Never any damage,

(01:33:22):
there's never I've never seen any any Now I have
seen tree snaps and stuff, but it's something that's weird.
And even that night, so you saw the videos of
that impact that was happening over a course of hours,
was this was like every ten minutes, something was happening

(01:33:45):
all through July fourth night, way into the after I
even quit, just got done.

Speaker 9 (01:33:52):
They were just super patriotic, like all of us.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
Well, you know the one we're kind of cussing. What
had happened is that big one had happened. Actually first,
so I, you know, I had all lights off in
the cabin and I have a thermal, so I went
upstairs and opened the window and turned the thermal on
and just got out the window I could started looking around,

(01:34:16):
and that's when something threw. Something hit right over the
top of my head, and that's what startled me. I
fell back into the cabin. I'm cussing, and then I
get back up and I'm looking over trying to find it.
And that's where you first see that thermal image over
top of my car port, and then it ends up
disappearing when I pinned back to my left. That other

(01:34:41):
throw out, you know, the weird blog looking that was
not far from me at all. It was not there
at first. So when I one disappears and I go
back and I pan over, and that's right there, and uh,
I don't know what that is, y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
There's about sixty year seventy more people in here. Now,
y'all want to run that again so they'll know what
we're talking about.

Speaker 7 (01:35:00):
Yeah, go ahead, you played again for listen to the
new people.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
And now that you've heard what he said, listen, there's
a couple of times you hear the rock hit one
the one hit close to him the first time, and
then there's a bigger one that hit you know.

Speaker 7 (01:35:13):
Yeah, it's very loud, so watch out to your headphone wearers.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Yeah, so we got a minute five seconds. We're running again.

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
Here we go.

Speaker 5 (01:35:24):
Ship okay, okay, h.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
Yeah, all right. Did you do any size estimations? Cal

(01:36:31):
It's really hard.

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
I mean, my car port's like ten foot tall. So
the first image you see there, uh, the other one,
I don't know. Uh, it's really kind of hard to
gauge with the I mean I was like two to me.

Speaker 7 (01:36:47):
You almost see two one port right there. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:36:49):
I wish I was away I could pause it. It's
definitely looks like it goes to two there for a minute.
So I think eyes when you see that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
Yeah, And it was so like I said that that
when the first part of that video, that was after
I had already kind of locked up the cabin and
I was all the lights were off, and I went
upstairs to try. I have a four thousand dollars thermal
and I that's what I'm using. I trying to get
the jump on this thing. As soon as I go

(01:37:19):
off the window that you hear that's something right over
my head and it startled me. I rolled back and
when I come back out that first image you see
me pan and that's it. That's the area where it
looks like two they were. It was not there. And
then I go over and I'm focusing on you know,
I'm like, what is that? You know, kind of kind

(01:37:40):
of cussing under my breath because it's scary, you know,
got the jump on me. And then when I panned back,
there's there's the other like the one finally disappears that
it actually goes behind this big pine tree and and
then I pan back and then I'm like, holy crap,
there's something like right there. And uh like I said
that happened. That that happened all night, like for hours,

(01:38:07):
and you know that you heard that impact. But these
are the nuts that fall. So if you think that
impact was caused by.

Speaker 10 (01:38:15):
This, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
This that there's no weight to these little acorns. Yes,
nuts fall, nuts dry, the actually nuts are dropping now
and you hear them, you hear the tank and the
and these are high impact. Like you know, we're life.
That sounds like a gunshot, and that's what sounds like
a shotgun.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
And you know, I wonder like some of us have
a different as Bama Murdoch says, we have different sound
banks where we identify different sounds throughout our life.

Speaker 9 (01:38:50):
And there it is, and.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
We had some things happening similar to what was going
on there. We were out in the woods, me and
my son, and we heard like three or four green
sapling trees break high pressure power. And I got to
thinking about it, and a lot of people talk about
a whip crack. Well, if you think about that, I

(01:39:15):
was assuming it was the trees, which I'm pretty sure
it was. And maybe people that haven't been in the
woods much may associate that with Ashley's the one that
gave me the idea either a gunshot or whip crack
or something like that. But to me, it was consistent
with a green tree snapping. So yeah, maybe we're hearing
the same thing calling it different things.

Speaker 5 (01:39:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
I don't know. This is just something I kicked around
on my head. But what if it's something breaking the
sound barrier and you've gotten a little sonic boom because
I hear man so powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
It would sound like it would sound like a like
a twenty two gun shot maybe where you don't hear
the boom and it exactly it makes you sound to me,
yeap crack.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
And like I said, I've had that, I mean multiple times.
It happens out here pretty frequently during.

Speaker 9 (01:40:17):
The summer and youngins like you go, you go, you
go toutch him, you go talk to him. No, you
go talk to him, and then you know one throat
and it's like, oh ship and they're like, oh ship, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
You get I mean yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
People that they when they want to get your attention,
there's no denying it. And there's no denying the power.
Like if you can be as bad as you want,
you can have a gun on you. When you're faced
with that kind of power, not only can you feel it,
you're not doing nothing, you are. I I my cabin.

(01:40:55):
Some of the logs in my cabin are twenty eight
inches thick. I feel like I'm in a four dress. Uh.
There ain't nothing stopping that thing from going through my
door if it wanted to so very respectful and having
been so close proximity to that kind of power, I
can tell you for a fact nobody, nobody was challenging that.

(01:41:16):
If it's challenged, you know, if it's sending up that
kind of a power or a challenge, yeah, you're not
doing nothing but probably freezing and shutting down because I
would hate to see what's next. You know, I'm sure
there's war that they can do, so you have to
kind of well, I'm super respectful, and I still get this.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
The time that we got the rock tossed at us,
I make that distinction because it wasn't thrown like a baseball.
It was lobbed at us, but it was probably double
sit fistized. I didn't feel threatened. I felt like it was, hey,
y'all need to leave, don't advance any further. And we
we we did that. So it's just you know, maybe

(01:42:04):
a warning to keep something bad them, them from having
to protect their babies or something. So you know, you go,
you look in nature, a rattlesnake will do the same thing.
It'll give you a warning it don't want any trouble. Uh,
there's other you know, the low grouse.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
Well, going back.

Speaker 9 (01:42:23):
The sound barrier thing though, we're the creepy thing in
the woods to them, like, what is that doing here?

Speaker 4 (01:42:29):
Yeah, well, think about this. The Native Americans they had
a term they called uh Sasquatch. Some of them it
the echo, the echo if you look look up the
description of it. They call them stick Indians now, and

(01:42:50):
they were they were wild brothers that didn't have a house,
that didn't use fire, all the all the things you
would attribute to a sasquatch, and my area is okay.
Back then they call them sticking is because they back
then they knew the signs. And like you can imagine
a chief walking in the sun and they see a

(01:43:12):
big ax or whatever. They're like, we're going this way.
We're in see Echo territory. And I think that knowledge
has been forgotten. And so now I think all these
same things are still there in the woods. They're still
doing the same thing. We just don't recognize it. So
people are walking into the woods and I think they're
doing us a favor. And I think what happens a

(01:43:35):
lot of times is people aren't recognizing the warning signs
at first because there is the way they step it
up and will usually be a knock and then keep going.
You know it's going to be. They're probably something getting
thrown in your direction like hey, hey, dude, we're here.
And then if you're still can't hear that, then you

(01:43:58):
might hear what we call display a power, the slow
breaking like like, dude, you better turn around. And I
think their their last for what the last thing they
want to do is that show themselves. But I think
a lot of people are naive because we one, we've
forgotten this, that this history because we didn't we don't

(01:44:19):
listen to the Native Americans that lived here for ten
thousand years. We we we you know, pretty much said
all all your stuff's and meth and you guys don't
know what you're talking about when we should have been
taking some of their history and preserving that because I
believe that that's how people get into situations. I'm going
to put my hammock right under this nice axe here

(01:44:41):
or something. And they don't know that they are being
very disrespectful to an area that they are assuming that
we might that we should recognize. That's just my take
on it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
You know, and I have people do they well, why
do they want to stay away from us? And the well,
some people may shoot them. Well, it could be as
simple as they know what kind of diseases we carry
do it. It could be that simple, but we don't.

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
It's just it's fun to have the discussions.

Speaker 5 (01:45:07):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:45:08):
Well, again, you look at Native American history, I compare
a lot of things. You know, at the time of
Jesus there was probably a million Native Americans that living
on this content. You know, we we don't realize like
by the time the Cowboy and Indian days started, the
Indians were already decimated from disease. They had not built back,

(01:45:28):
so it was bad timing. As the Europeans came over,
they brought disease and that went through and it was
really a horrible thing that happened to the Natives, is
that disease went through and just decimated our population. So
they were trying to That's where COHOKEI and all these
major Cokie probably had a million uh people living around it.

(01:45:53):
And that's where these giant mounds and everything that we see.
And yeah, it's if something's looking like, oh, these these
these people here bring death. You know, we happened to
the Natives. Maybe we don't need to get.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Everything was fine to them with different colored people shows up.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
Yeah, it was back to that Project Zoo book. When
you're in those when you're when you're talking to like
the primatologists and stuff, and there's people actually involved that
are that work with the gorillas and the zoos. You
don't realize how susceptible gorillas are to human disease. They
have to wear masks. I mean they like, you don't go, uh,

(01:46:36):
do any kind of healthcare on the gorillas if you've
got a cold or I mean that that is very
regulated because they are so susceptible to our they don't
they don't have any any natural defense. So something to
think about, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:46:50):
Uh uh.

Speaker 4 (01:46:53):
One of the people that spoke was this guy that
he's discovered I can't even tell you how many what
they thought were new species and species they thought were
extinct and out all the things that he wanted to
talk about he talked about, he said, one finding a
new Usually how it works when you make a new discovery,

(01:47:17):
it's the last day over the last ridge, and it's
the last like he's like, it just works that when
you are burnt out and you can have gotten no
ady further and you just go over that last ridge
is usually when you make the discovery. And he talked
about they were going as a as a through this
searching for weeks for this I think it was a
type of bird, and it was that same thing. It's

(01:47:40):
like they're burnout, they're out of food and they're like,
we gotta go, and we're like, well, let's just hit
this last valley. They go this last valley, they do it.
They discover this bird and they cheer, you know, they
high five each other. It disturbs the bird. It flies

(01:48:01):
off its roost in the valley, this extinct thing that
they had just found, and they watch a hawk come
down and kill it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
And he's like he's like, he ges that's our fault.
He's like that, he like our presence in that valley
calls that that extinct creature. You know, we discovered it
and killed it on the same day. That's the lesson
he wanted everyone to kind of think about that. So
you take all those lessons with you. You know, is

(01:48:33):
it safe for them to get close to that close?
You know, we do have diseases, we you know, they
probably do not have any kind of Probably absolutely, yeah,
we don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
You know, m K told m K Davis tod he
didn't realize he stuck his finger in some jelly looking stuff.
Didn't realize it. It's not in a footprint or something.
He was messing without in Bluff Creek and he got
deathly sick for what weeks.

Speaker 7 (01:49:07):
And it was even hospitalized too from.

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
Yeah, and didn't realize until we rewatched the videos, like,
oh my god, what is that. He didn't even know
he touched it. So, yeah, we worry about the big
spooky monsters and what we need to worry about this
the little micro Yeah, that's what gets us. But you've
got a couple of pictures here. I think I see
a face. I want you to tell me what's going

(01:49:32):
on here?

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
Okay, do you have a picture of me that's almost
like that? I do show that one first and I'll
explain like this, Yep, that's exactly, that's perfect. So I've
been experimenting with how to take pictures and zero light
and not using a trail cam, but you using kind

(01:49:56):
of like a plot washer that you can adjust your
your exposure. This is on a timer. This has no
no flash. It's just out in the woods. It's hidden
and it's just taking pictures and I got it adjusted
enough to where you can I mean, you see the

(01:50:16):
picture of me with the same camera, you can see
you can recognize that it's me. You know, it's good enough.
And this is zero light, middle of the night. The
picture that you see beside it is a picture that
I got, and you can kind of go through and

(01:50:37):
imagine someone that is black skinned. You can see the
brow you actually you start that's top. You can see
a hairline, dark forehead. You can almost see the wrinkles,
and it's in the center those mouth and what looks
like a kind of a goateee or something. It's my

(01:51:01):
thought that if I was, you know, caught on camera
stealing copper, could could you take that picture of me? Yeah?
Could you take that picture of me and take me
to court? Could you recognize me from that picture? And
so then could you recognize that individual from that? It

(01:51:23):
was a good enough? Is a good good enough? Now?
The only difference between it is I'm white and this
is obviously a dark uh skin.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
You can almost see the eyeball, like the edge.

Speaker 5 (01:51:37):
On the.

Speaker 9 (01:51:40):
The the brow ridge, you can see the bridge of
the nose, you can see the cheeks, the chin as
it sticks out, the the kind of the mouth area too.
I mean, it's it took me a second and my
eyes had to adjust it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:56):
But I'm gonna tell you something.

Speaker 4 (01:51:58):
I was speaking in my backyard by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
Way it's in our thumbnail over here on stream yard
where it's really small you can really see it good.
And I was looking at it while Caine's been talking,
and I'm like, I can see it better in this
small version because there's more.

Speaker 7 (01:52:14):
There's some that are like that.

Speaker 6 (01:52:15):
When it's really it almost looks too, a complete, completely symmetrical,
almost like you can draw almost a perfect line down
the center between where the noses. That line on the
forehead what do we call this part of the lip
right here?

Speaker 4 (01:52:31):
Yeah, that is again the reason I like to share
this picture is that's why we have to keep trying
new ideas, you know, just saying trail cams don't work,
and this and that, Well, why don't trail cams work?

Speaker 9 (01:52:44):
And there's like, again, it looks like there's a small
kind of I don't say light source, but if you
go back this picture, the.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
Light source was coming from my cabin the window, like
the TV or something in my cabin, so there is
a light source to that that side of its face.

Speaker 9 (01:53:03):
I keep pointing to the screen as if you guys
can see where the light source is. You can see
texture to.

Speaker 7 (01:53:10):
The skin exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:53:11):
You can tell where the direction of the light is
coming from. Even as pixelated is as it is, you
can still tell all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:18):
See to me, I feel like I could recognize this
individual if I saw him again, if I got him
stealing my copper, I think of him on the street,
I'd be like, hey, dude, I got you on camera,
and that.

Speaker 7 (01:53:31):
Is that beer, especially almost as mutton chops looking tight.

Speaker 4 (01:53:37):
An individual is eight feet tall and part of my
So what I had to do with zero like conditions
is what I was doing. I was trying to create
a backdrop. So what I did is I used the
solar lights instead pointing them out towards your yard, I
used my cabin as a backdrop to give a little

(01:53:58):
bit of uh ambient light light in the frame. And
then just so happens, I believe when that picture was
taken there was a light on in my cabinet shining
through the window. It was actually you can see the
bigger picture. You can see the light from the window
crossing the yard ended up standing right in the shadow,
right underneath my bedroom window, just out of the light.

(01:54:21):
It was standing right there, and just like the other
flear image, I did a side by side comparison, and
I'm about the size of its leg or its arm.
I'm sorry, Mike, Mike there, I have another picture of
it where you can see its arm, and when I
do the parison, my body is about the size of

(01:54:42):
its arm and it's got a giant long arm on it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
Now I know people just quickly. I won't tell everything.
But this past weekend I met Adam Colete, one of
Dougs sounds got Sound God, HP, Chris ron Hart and
Bud came down and he pulled out He was showing
us something he invented. It doesn't it hangs, and it
takes a three sixty image, and it doesn't have anything

(01:55:08):
that Cody or anything could pick up on. I'm not
a tickie, but way he explained it, uh, he thinks
they will have a better chance of taking a picture
because there's nothing I are for a creature to see.
So if that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:55:23):
So I played a long game. I'm here for as
long as I'm here. I set things out in the
woods out there that have been out there three or
four years that I plan on someday put on a
camera in there to get acclimated. I have an owl
set now that's the owl has been abused by something
that's been all over my property. But I got it
out in the woods. I haven't done anything with that's

(01:55:45):
just sitting out there for probably three years now, but
it does have a place in it where eventually I
can put a camera in there and just see what happens.
Get up.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
So what you do is check when their strides or shorter,
you know they're comfortable.

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
Right, well, coy're talking about so you know when we
talked about the family group. When when I when I
cast those four those twenty four inch prints, I was
able to do some calculations the stride. So it took
me what what what took me? In four steps? It

(01:56:23):
took me four steps to every one events And in
four steps it went like eighteen point three feet. And
you start doing the math on this. This thing on
going up an incline and up a hill. It was
traveling at over three miles an hour. If you think
about this, I live out in the woods where emergency

(01:56:44):
services are forty five minutes away. I know that because
I have to pay. I have to pay extra interest
because you know, I'm out here. If I have a
big foot in my yard and I call the police
and I say, you need to get out here, m hm,
if it takes them forty five minutes to get here,

(01:57:04):
that thing potentially at a at a walk, that thing
potentially could be three miles away within an hour. So
think about that. Another thing very in a stream. When
I casted that, it changed directions. I have a surveillance
camera pointing at that. I have a blind turn in

(01:57:25):
my driveway. I have a surveillance camera pointing right in
that drug. Like someone goes into that blind turn, you're you're,
you're right there.

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
It.

Speaker 4 (01:57:34):
If it would have walked straight, it would have walked
right in front of that surveillance camera. But it didn't.
A sidestep that went right around the backside of it,
you know. And I got that documented as well. I
will show you.

Speaker 3 (01:57:46):
Yeah, this is amazing he has the first time he
showed it to us, he was hiding mind it.

Speaker 7 (01:57:57):
Oh my gosh, I'm going to put you a green
so hopefully everybody can see that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:03):
You can see the heel.

Speaker 3 (01:58:05):
You see the Yeah, so there's the heel, sixty pounds
of concrete.

Speaker 4 (01:58:13):
Try to get it over here. I got four of these.

Speaker 6 (01:58:17):
Now, one of the size of those, just one of
those toes is nearly as big as your hand.

Speaker 4 (01:58:23):
Yeah, I mean, here's here's the toe right here. Yeah,
I mean, this is the wep of the toe right here.

Speaker 9 (01:58:31):
The biggest track I have ever seen it.

Speaker 7 (01:58:33):
That's literally the biggest one I've ever seen.

Speaker 6 (01:58:38):
That.

Speaker 4 (01:58:38):
He's measured exactly the same size as Richards. Now, shoot,
I'll just show this is dad, all right, you see dad,
let me, let me grab.

Speaker 9 (01:58:48):
I can't even begin to fathom a creature that big.
It almost makes you wonder. Now you're actually getting to
giant territory. That's that's alarming.

Speaker 4 (01:58:58):
Well, well, I say that's an that's a roll out.
This is mom. This is it's kind of hard to
see that her toes in there. You kind of see
you kind of seeing the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:59:10):
Have you noticed the female tracks being shaped a little
different than.

Speaker 4 (01:59:14):
The make Yes, yeah, there's a little bit of a
bow in there and step and of course this is junior.
This one you can really see now, Wow, now you
see you see how this is white. This the casting
material that I used on this one has been shrinking.

(01:59:37):
So this is actually uh than than when it started.
But you can still see that's way bigger than uh
well you can you can for a size comparison. Uh
one thing I like the toast spread of that as
well displayed toes. I go when I get talks stuff,

(02:00:00):
I go a lot into When you look at indigenous
people that have never worn shoes in their life, their
toes are splayed. They look like ours.

Speaker 3 (02:00:09):
So I know, I know you're a math man. Tell us,
uh how tall you you estimate the inch alpha would be?
You've told me before.

Speaker 4 (02:00:21):
But there's a ratio. This is. This is why I
think through Boston College something. So for for every edge
of a foot and this is you have to go
by eight inch quarter inch. It's uh six point six

(02:00:44):
times one, I believe. So I've had my calculator here, Yeah,
try to find it. It's been in a minute. I
don't have that number on the top of my head,
but I can certainly do the math here. Let's see.

(02:01:08):
Here we go, So twenty four inches please by the bunch,
twelve thirteen foot two. That's that's going not by me
that that's what they use. Like, Okay, so Shaquille O'Neill

(02:01:29):
has like a size twenty one foot shoe. His foot
is actually like fifteen inches, but the shoe size is
enormous and at fifteen inches he's like seven foot something.
So I use that just that's that's what for human.
If a human had a twenty four inch foot print

(02:01:52):
that hue, they would judge that he would be thirteen
point two, which is tall. And that's really all we
can go by.

Speaker 3 (02:02:00):
What I find the just maybe just me, uh looking
at those tracks. Of course we know the bigger, the
heavier alpha is a bigger foot and then you have
the smaller ones graduate down, but the depth is almost
the same.

Speaker 7 (02:02:18):
That is actually an interesting observation.

Speaker 4 (02:02:20):
Yeah, it's I tell people, you know, when when people
give it their accounts, a lot of people they say this,
whatever they saw it in the woods scarred them for
the rest of their life. They saw a monster, they
saw they saw something that they'll they will live with
the rest of their life, probably with some PTSD. And

(02:02:42):
I don't really feel like this really covers what these
people are describing. That twenty four track, that's a monster.

Speaker 5 (02:02:52):
Uh and.

Speaker 4 (02:02:55):
Uh, I don't know that very interesting. There was a
sighting here two individuals and what they were out on
the deck. I was actually being interviewed and they were
doing a little documentary and they decided to use my
cabin because I have a great room and all this.
So he was and I wasn't supposed to be involved

(02:03:16):
in this interview at all, but they were talking about
the lights in the woods that he wanted to get
me on camera, talking about some of the experience I've
had with lights out here. So I'm in here, they're
filming in here, he's interviewing me, and the other people
are out on the deck, and because he got to
be quiet and everything, so they're out there and something

(02:03:38):
must have happened. We think it was either a bat
or a moth flew in front of a motion light
that I have out front, and emotion light turns on
and two individuals look and they see this thing as
it's like catches crossing the driveway, and they put the
height of this thing right around, you know, over thirteen feet.

(02:04:03):
I have a picture of a guy doings. He's six
foot something. He's a really tall guy, and he's on
a six foot ladder putting up where there was a branch,
and they took a rope from where his eyes were
where he saw it all the way to where that
branch was, and they were he's up there putting that together.
So we get a side. So, I mean, I know

(02:04:24):
that sounds unbelievable and now not at all for me.
It's it's it's just it's just documentation, a house of
e knock. I've had over a decade. I've never claimed
something was a bigfoot. Uh, that's for that's for the
audience to decide. My job is to present you with

(02:04:45):
enough evidence to make your own just to have enough
evidence to even may have an opinion to have you know,
it's okay if you don't believe it's but here is
all the evidence. Just like with the flear image I have.
If you go to the side, you see the backyard,
you see the tree, you see like every step and
how I came to the colusion, how big this was,

(02:05:08):
and you can either agree with it or not. And
it's pretty pretty funny that over the years known has
disputed that. I mean, it's almost like when you give
so many facts to back what you're what you're putting
out there. It takes a lot of the nonsense questions
out because you've already you've done your part, you've answered,

(02:05:30):
and then then you don't put the stigma that this
is a big foot. You just say, hey, I'm in Ohio,
this is where this happened. You tell me, you tell
me what this is.

Speaker 9 (02:05:41):
And many markings around your home, either in your yard
or in a tree line with built in measurement in them.
So anything that you like. Obviously you know your property,
you can look down know that something's like eight foot tall,
But I mean, do you have And I hate this.
It almost the way I imagining in my head is

(02:06:01):
almost like booby trap in a way where it's like
you literally went out of your way to set something
up with scale mass.

Speaker 4 (02:06:09):
Yeah. I mean there's there's things like I knew. I
knew from the ground to the top of my cabin.
You know the ridge line of my cabin that's eight foot.
I know my door of my cabin seven foot, and
that's where I have that one no light camera is
facing my cabin with the backdrop. My only thing I

(02:06:29):
wanted to get was a silhouette. I don't care. I
just wanted to see a shadow, go across my yard
and catch the silhouette of it. I got more than that,
but I do that my carport. I know that. You
know my carpoards ten foot. I also, I hiked so
much in the winter and in the summer. I know

(02:06:51):
the areas where there's less foliage. And there's been a
few situations where I've had something tracking me and I've
got myself in position like like get to the spot.
I want to get in and lay down because I
know there's a clear and I'll have my thermal. I'll
be like, Okay, if you're gonna follow me, you're gonna

(02:07:11):
have to. Like I know some places in the woods
where I had the advantage, and that particular time, it
was like a waiting game, and uh I waited, waited,
wait until it got dark and then i started hearing
something creeping up behind me and I'm like, all right,
you went. But those are things I keep in mind,

(02:07:33):
like like like you know, most everything is they have
the advantage, but at least now I do have. I
do have a home advantage too, because I live here
as well, so I know where those deep ravines are
that you can run up and hide from. I feel like,

(02:07:54):
if someone was to try to come get me on
my home turf, you're a dead man. I know my
area so well. First of all, you're never going to
find me too. I have every advantage to a human
that would try to cause me harm out here. I
feel that way about them, like they have every advantage.
But at least now we're leaving under the same canopy,

(02:08:18):
so I have a little bit. I have a little
bit of a chance. I'm not I can't walk, you know,
three miles an hour. I can't do all the things
they can do. But I do know the area pretty
well to where I might be able to set up
a little spy. I document where they cross, you know,
which changes it changed from year to year. There'll be

(02:08:40):
a popular crossing area, and it's almost like once you
realize that and I start documenting, that's about what it changes.
Like that whole summer where I was putting up fishing
line across these trails, and when the fishing line would
be I had up at like seven feet. When those
would be down, go out there and start looking for print,

(02:09:03):
and that's how I got a lot of tracks, and
that's how I figured out. Okay, mom, you know I
see one line down, I go and now I know, okay,
the moms, you know, we'll closer to the cabin. I
find her that I know somewhere outside of that the
juvenile was going to be, and I do. Outside of that,
I'm going to find the alpha. And it's just even

(02:09:25):
as big as his. I've had seen his prints multiple times.
It's just very rare to be able to cast something.
This happened right after a rain and it's going up.
I mean I could see it as I was driving by.
I'm like, that's a giant foot and had the foresight
to stop. And then I found you know, three more
and I'm like, okay, I have to document this. I

(02:09:47):
went out, got my casting material in this little bag
and I poured it in the the here it filled
up like the heel and I'm like, okay, the only
thing I could do. You know, I'm scared if he
keeps rain, it is gonna wash. He's so I just
went and got you know, four bags of sixty pounds
bags of concrete and filled them in and I'm like, okay,

(02:10:08):
at least, at least I have this.

Speaker 7 (02:10:10):
Preserve and what we say them, are you meaning just
the alpha? Mom? And junior or are you meaning like
multiples of the alpha.

Speaker 4 (02:10:23):
I think, you know, I think here if I'm saying them,
it's usually that little family group there. There's possibly more.
There could be up to five. I just I documented
those three enough that I can confidently say, and I
still to this day, I don't say those are sasquatch.

Speaker 7 (02:10:42):
But yeah, yeah, you don't.

Speaker 4 (02:10:44):
I usually say, these are the individuals that are crossing
my property. This is what they do, this is the
habits they have, and this is the size of their feet.
It's a huge decide what.

Speaker 7 (02:10:54):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:10:57):
A human print, then so be it. It's a human print.
That is a nine foot tall platypus walking in the
hills of Hockey even to find it.

Speaker 3 (02:11:05):
But I found something, opinion, something interesting, he told one time.
As you're tracking, these things are so long, tall and
long the arms, and you know when you have a
in the woods, when you have a trackway disappear. You
were talking about they could reach up and swing around

(02:11:27):
and come back around on the other side of a
tree maybe and change direction, and it looks like they disappear.
So if any of y'all are tracking, if it's out
in the middle of the field in the dirt and
it disappears. That's one thing. But if you're in the woods,
look look in the radius there and see if it
changed directions. That helped me. One time I found I
found two tracks, and then I'm looking at they disappeared,

(02:11:50):
you know, and I'm looking around. I'm like, wait, mint
Caine told me to look for other things, and I
look at this exposed rock over there, and I'm like, okay,
if it's stepped on from here to that rock, the
next by the distance, the next track should be somewhere
in this area. I went over there and there it was,

(02:12:10):
so yeah. You know, I appreciate you sharing information with
us because it helps, it helps all of us.

Speaker 7 (02:12:17):
You have to very it does, very very appropiated.

Speaker 4 (02:12:21):
I tell people, you are you find it? You find
a print, all right, and you honestly believe this is
a legitimate bigfoot print. You're as close to a legend
that you've ever uh that you'll probably ever be at.
And are you just gonna take a picture of it
and walk on or are you going to I mean,

(02:12:45):
this should be if it's truly what it is, that
is so rare and such like, you have to respect
that when I'm on a trackway and they disappear, I
plant my butt right on the ground and I sit
there and I don't care how long it takes that
I look and I look, and then I figure it out,

(02:13:06):
you know. And it might be I might look up
and see a branch that had some some of the
bark off. I was like, did it swing and then go?
And I will also tell you this that the one
encounter where I was telling you that that they're doing
the film about I had, I had an encounter with
a sighting, and I'm telling you what I saw was
at the top of a ridge and it was doing

(02:13:30):
it was doing a spider crawl when I first when
I first came out, it was on its fingers and
toes coming out and it was not facing me. And
then it just turned I knew I was there, turned
around and it went in one jump from the top
of a ridge all the way this is this is

(02:13:52):
a long ridge from the top, jumped like Superman and
went down and landed his bush like, you know, thirty
fifty feet in front of me. And one leap, you know,
I saw it, one leap all the way down this ridge.
And so they have now that was going downhill. But

(02:14:13):
still they have some absolutely unbelievable attributes to what they
could do and how fast they can move. You have
this envision in your mind of old Paddy lumbering, you know,
old Granny out there. That is not any kind of
experience I've ever had. The experiences that I have seen

(02:14:36):
are things that move so fast it's terrifying. Like you
see something move as fast as what I saw. You know,
there's no absolute way you're going to outrun this thing.
You are you If at once, you're dead, you are dead,
period period.

Speaker 3 (02:14:54):
Some of the people I've talked to that were shook
more than others were the ones that witnessed to take
off spin in the launch and and those those people
like it's impossible for something that big to move that quick.

Speaker 9 (02:15:08):
The trucks have reported these things keeping up with their trucks,
I mean.

Speaker 6 (02:15:14):
And not only the speed but also the gate of
it there where they say it's almost they're almost gliding, Oh.

Speaker 7 (02:15:20):
My god, across you know.

Speaker 4 (02:15:23):
Head do this Their heads are smooth. It looks like
a shadow going across the wall. Yeah, or a spy,
you know, a spider that so graceful and so fast.
The one that I did. I seen two running side
by side. They I asked to maybe like forty five

(02:15:45):
miles an hour on the side of a ridge. It's
just what the unbelievable speed where.

Speaker 3 (02:15:52):
They're back straight or did it have body leaning like
a running back?

Speaker 4 (02:15:55):
These these were pretty They were really close together too.
And what happen and was I was training myself at
the time. If you hear tree knock, it's a distraction,
look the other way. And I came over this ridge
and I heard a tree knock to my left and
I immediately turned to the right, and I see him across,
you know, in between two trees into the foliage, and

(02:16:16):
they were really close together. I mean their their heads,
you know, or like this that probably that size over
I put air air was there. I put him in
the same position. I wanted him to run across so
I could film it. And the one he couldn't run,

(02:16:38):
And two I couldn't see him, so he had to
take his hat and put it up on a stick.
You know, I don't see you now. Yeah, Eric's a
big guy, and uh, just the grace and absolutely quiet.
I didn't hear a thing until they hit the heavy
foliage and then and the heavy foliage. It sounded like

(02:16:59):
an going through there. So yeah, just to.

Speaker 9 (02:17:04):
Experience, guys, we've got we've got some here.

Speaker 3 (02:17:10):
I don't know what they are. I can bring it
up and let him. There's a couple.

Speaker 4 (02:17:14):
Okay. When I was talking you about the Flier images,
that was the first one that I took, uh, and
it was white as hot. So this is actually in
the series. You can see, you know, something hot. You
can see its head, you can see it shoulders, and
it's standing out in the woods. When I when I
took that, that thermal, that was the very first picture

(02:17:37):
I got of it. So I was trying to show
you that's not just one there was now this this
is one here.

Speaker 3 (02:17:44):
I'm sorry I didn't but yeah, that that was.

Speaker 4 (02:17:47):
One of the series of the Flier images, all the
same one, just with different filters. But that was the
very first picture I got.

Speaker 9 (02:17:54):
This looks so tall, like it looks.

Speaker 4 (02:17:58):
Yeah yeah, yeah, in the darkness of the woods. That
thing is I mean, for me, it's glowing out there.
Yeah yeah, this giant presence. I'm like, holy cow. If
you go to that next picture, this is my my experiment,
so you can see me daylight you can see now

(02:18:21):
my cabin. Uh that the picture of my cabin where
you can see the the the cabin itself. It's I'm
using the solar lights up against my cabin. Of course
the lights are on at the time. But the bottom
picture bottom right, that was my no light experiment. And

(02:18:43):
you can see what you don't really see in this picture,
but it's blocking out the door of my cabin. You
can almost see to the right of it. You can
see the the post from my deck right there. And
you look and that this thing is blocking up the
door of my cabin as it as it walks by.

(02:19:04):
And it's just this is what silhouettes I was trying
to get. Uh that that's so to me. It's like, okay,
all I wanted was something to cross my yard and
get a silhouette of it. And it's it's actually you

(02:19:26):
can tell like when when you assume out of the
picture I have some of those. It's completely blocking out
the the door of my cabin. It's I estimated, you know,
about eight feet tall. And something about this is when
this happens, I get a lot of disturbance in my camera.
That's why I don't I don't have an answer why

(02:19:46):
it looks fuzzy except that that's whatever. After I filmed
all this my camera, the batteries were the batteries were
all leaking. I thought, I thought it's at my camera,
but whatever it was, my camera was not working. After

(02:20:09):
I took the batteries out, they were all like they're
brand new batteries, all leaking. I don't know what calls
that or the disturbance of it. And I don't show
you my camera, but I don't have it in here.
But I mean, that's just experimenting. It's now those pictures.

(02:20:29):
Each time I would do this experiment, it would be
ten thousand pictures it would take, and I would have
to go through every and I did this all summer,
so I had like thirty thousand pictures I had to
go through, and I had like, out of the whole series,

(02:20:50):
like four or five frames. And it was actually months
later when I actually just got I went I got
tired of looking, actually went back time when not a
lot was going on. So I go back to my
old research and try to catch up. And that's why,
my holy crow, you know, I did catch them.

Speaker 3 (02:21:12):
So Amanda, have y'all been like tagging any questions or anything.

Speaker 7 (02:21:17):
Yeah, actually, I.

Speaker 6 (02:21:17):
Got a couple of questions, uh that I've got saved
backstage here.

Speaker 7 (02:21:22):
Let me pull them up real quick.

Speaker 3 (02:21:24):
We Caine. We won't go six or five or six
hours like normal.

Speaker 4 (02:21:30):
You guys keep up till six in the morning.

Speaker 3 (02:21:32):
Yeah, you have to bring you snickers when you come on, right, bring.

Speaker 7 (02:21:37):
Up, bring upon of coffee.

Speaker 3 (02:21:39):
Yeah, let's see.

Speaker 6 (02:21:41):
Uh, so our good friend Verrecks here has a couple
of good questions. This is a two parter, This is Caine.
Do you ever feel like some of the things you do,
like scenting, braiding and other cane things might be interpreted
by them as a challenge to their dominance or possibly
taken the wrong way, or do you feel that your

(02:22:02):
relationship with them has progressed beyond that point?

Speaker 5 (02:22:05):
Now?

Speaker 4 (02:22:07):
You know, I can't say that it was I think honestly,
I think at first it was an annoyance. Like I
firmly believe that, especially now when you notice them. What
you know, no one lived on his property for twenty years.
All of a sudden, you got this guy who's not
only like seems like he's following you around and every

(02:22:29):
time you're leaving something, he's in there like who is
this guy? When you know that they notice you, And
I do think probably a huge annoyance because the first
year when the activity activity here was rough, and I
think that was like a learning like we're gonna put
this guy through the pace and see what he's all about,
see if he's gonna come out with a ganzee. And

(02:22:51):
it has progressed over the years to where it doesn't.
I mean, you have to scary moments, but for the
most part. I'll bring up this. I the summer, I
saw one of their their things up in the woods
and I put my braid right and there's real soft

(02:23:14):
dirt right there. I do have some trails that are
I manucure so you can walk on the barefoot and
real powdery trail. So I stepped put my footprint right
right there so you can clearly see it. And you know,
about a week later I went back and checked something
with a fifteen inch footprint stepped in my foot And

(02:23:39):
now me, that was very symbolic because I do that
when I see sometimes when I see one of their impressions,
and especially if I'm out there walking barefoot, I love
to stick my foot and it's impression and just it's
like to me, it's like a connection, like you just
know more you feel the weight in the ground, feel

(02:24:00):
this connection with this thing, and one you know it's real.
And I just felt like it was seeing that saw
my and just was doing the same thing, like, you know,
just putting its foot and my you know, obviously it
covered it up, but it was started at the heel
and then you know, and might put its foot in
my heel and just covered my entire print. But I

(02:24:22):
thought that was the same kind of curiosity maybe that
I had towards it. So I think it's progressing now,
but at first it's hard to say. I do think
I was a great annoyance at first.

Speaker 7 (02:24:37):
And so another question is have you ever documented any
glyphs alongside some of the structures.

Speaker 4 (02:24:47):
Yes, if you go this is a couple of years ago,
really got there's a particular stump up on the ridge
where I had a whole summer, and here's what, here's
how it's I noticed like a glyph. So I would
build a little structure beside it, and every time it'd
knock it over, my stuff would be destroyed. So eventually

(02:25:12):
what I did was I mimicked it that glyph exact
stick sized diameter everything and built one beside it. M
lo and behold. I come back, there's a different glyph.
And through the course of the summer and I have
all this on my house of na. I have pictures

(02:25:32):
of like the stump and the hole. All the way
around the stumps are these glyphs. And for everyone you know,
they're so they're all pairs. Now every pair was one.
It made that I may just like it. And then
it kind of got to a point to where everything stopped.

(02:25:53):
I'm like, well, what what what happened? Well, it took me,
you know, sometimes it takes me a long time. But
what had had happened was there was a it was
directing me to a new part of the woods. And
it took me several months to figure that out. And
when I went on my gut instinct, I it's like, okay,

(02:26:13):
this is how I'm seeing this. I need to go
to this portion and there it was. Now again now
I'm behind. So it took It's almost like they'll do, they'll,
they'll work with you, they'll they'll do, but if you
if you can't keep up, they're done with you. You know,
maybe next year. So you'll get all this stuff and

(02:26:34):
then it just quit and then it's on you, like
you either figure it out or you don't. And that's
kind of like over the years, you know, there's things,
you know I've shared of Spencer and some people, some
stuff that's on the property at like trying to figure
out certain you might want to call it a glyph,

(02:26:54):
but it'll be a thing, and it'll be like I
find it the first time, and then be the exact
same thing somewhere else, and Okay, what does this mean?
And by the time, like this last time, by the
time I figured out what at least what I interpret
it as meaning, it was already way past. So now

(02:27:17):
I'll kind of have to wait, you know, next year,
if I if something happens again, if I could pick
back up on it, then I believe it's almost like
the lessons will continue. As crazy as that sounds, that's
just how it's worked for me. I firmulate exactly what
it did. If I deviated it all, it destroyed it.
If it was satisfied with what I would do, it

(02:27:40):
would make a new one. And now I don't know
what all these mean, but obviously there's communication going back
and forth and then like I said that, I was
at a place where I felt stuck and well and
behold it was you know, I just hasn't basically past
the next lesson, like, yeah, we're waiting for you over here,

(02:28:03):
and you never showed up. So then I finally show up,
and then you know, and this has happened where I've
restarted this again in a different area, and now I'm
kind of, you know, every every year or whatever, I
get stuck and then I'm kind of, you know, like,
screw you, catch up if you don't, Yeah, whatever, And

(02:28:23):
that's kind of that stuff that I don't I don't
really share all that stuff publicly because one people don't
think you're you're absolutely insane. I have the documentation I
have even like I tell people all the time that

(02:28:43):
I have the documentation to prove now already that stick
structures are real. And what real research looks like is
is you have structures, you have all the GPS signs,
you have everything that you need, and I have pages
of stuff like this, so I can I can take

(02:29:05):
this to an academic and say, well, here's what I've
documented over the last ten years. Here's here's like and
if you look at the I didn't show you anything
a kind of on purpose.

Speaker 6 (02:29:16):
But you look at the data and you look like
you said, you have that data there, you have that
like so here it is, I got all this information and.

Speaker 4 (02:29:28):
That's like the structure stuff. I've never said that a
sasquatch does this, but something is doing this and it's
not natural. So whatever's doing this, I've already proven this.
I can prove it's not natural. There's no way there's
and you can't. You know, a lot of these things
you can follow and there's repeating patterns and that doesn't

(02:29:50):
happen in nature. You know, if just crazy, you're not
going to find your you know, it's not going to
leave you anywhere. But as you go, and this is
what I felt that I have been taught. And my
first breakthrough out here was that, you know, all this
stuff was going around the stump. I got so lost

(02:30:14):
out in the woods, which is easy to do, but
I was like, I was getting very worried, and I
was I wasn't sure where I was at. And I
came over the ridge and I came at a different
angle that I've never gone before, and I actually was
on my property. I was just really lost. But I

(02:30:34):
saw that structure sitting down there at a different perspective,
and it was a light bulb on my Holy cow,
that change of perspective perspective immediately like, man, I need
to go over here. And immediately I went there and

(02:30:55):
there was a whole new thing waiting. You know that
obviously it was several months old at that point. That's
kind of your own rabbit hole, you know. I mean,
that's that's uh, that's what I do. This is what
I feel like. I I do feel like I am
onto this and that I am slowly kind of being

(02:31:17):
taught in their way or however to call it. But
it produce. If it didn't produce anything, I wouldn't be
doing it. And that's the stuff I'm slowly documenting, and
hopefully at a certain point I'll have enough to be like,
all right, everybody, let's you know, let's let's And the
reason I don't show this all the time could once

(02:31:38):
it's out there, it could easily easily be hoaxed and
even kind of like with the calls, you know, the
calls were awesome at one point. So many people across
the United States are doing that. I believe that that's
changing their habits. Everybody out but was doing calls. It's
actually hurting real research. Like I know, it works, it

(02:32:00):
was fun and everything, but they are learning to not respond.

Speaker 9 (02:32:04):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:32:05):
They're learning just as much as we are. And it's
changing their their their natural instincts and so a lot
of stuff that I've seen. I don't want some guy
out there building all this stuff out in the woods
trying to you know, hoax people or whatever, because your

(02:32:26):
research is done, you know, and it's too important. So
it's very near and dear to my heart. I'm o
c D about the notes that I take and I
see it, you know, and I share. I share a
lot of it with Eric too. He's you know, if
I get hit by a car, Eric knows enough he

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can what I'm doing. And Eric does his own thing.
You know. We we researched together partially we found each other, uh,
and and research because nobody else really was hard as
hardcore as we wanted to be. We were going out

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forty six weekends a year. We were like so we
hiked over three thousand miles. We you know, in the day,
we were very hardcore. We still take it serious. But yes,
his opinions. I have my opinions. He has things that
he's working on. I have things that I'm working on.
And we bounce things off each other and sometimes I
mean I've thrown them stuff and he's like, yeah, gotta

(02:33:28):
do better than that. Then I get mad and I'm like, okay,
I'll that's you, you know, like, no cry harder dude,
And I'm like okay, And you need sometimes you need
someone to reel you in. And sometimes now same token,
there's stuff that he scoffed at for years and until
he found it on his own and came back, I

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was like, holy cow, dude, when he's seen it and
I wasn't, you know, on his own and the whole
Like holy cow. I'm like, yes, that's what I've been
trying to tell you, you know. So it's it's an
evolving relationship, you know, and we bounce off from him.
He learns what I do and we both do stuff
a little bit different.

Speaker 3 (02:34:08):
So and that's what it takes is somebody to keep you,
keep you grounded, or fire you up to prove it
to him. Also, y'all, y'all the people that have heard
Caane for the first time, which I'm sure, there's going
to be a bunch you know, on Spotify and all that.

Speaker 6 (02:34:27):
Do this.

Speaker 3 (02:34:28):
Go to House of Enoch on Facebook, check him out, look,
go through all of that. Plus you can go to
Woodwalkers with a Z. Just just put his name in YouTube.
In Woodwalkers there's several shows Sawdust Beast, Squatching Holler, the
original Squatching Holler. There's a there's a couple there where
the conversation, the conversations. This is the tip of the

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iceberg he's given, y'all. Uh, you know what he's about
and how meticulous he is and all that, which is
one reason that you know, i' ire him, and that
that he can do that, I'm I'm not like that.
And go check these little shows out, check his page
out and and dig in if you're interested in this.

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There was I didn't know who Caine was. He he
came on a misty. They brought him on our first
Halloween special and I didn't.

Speaker 4 (02:35:25):
I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (02:35:26):
I didn't, y'all. That's an that's that's a crazy story.
I talked to that guy today, actually came and told him,
you're gonna be on.

Speaker 4 (02:35:33):
He may be an audience nobody.

Speaker 6 (02:35:36):
But he he.

Speaker 3 (02:35:40):
Was telling uh a lot of these stories, and in
one of them, I'm like, wait a minute, you were
the one with the lidar. And because we saw that,
my son loaded that on his phone and when we
found tracks at Gregg's, he had litar right there and
you can turn it three seeking all around and upside.

Speaker 4 (02:35:59):
Down and.

Speaker 3 (02:36:01):
Yeah, so y'all go check Kane out.

Speaker 6 (02:36:04):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:36:06):
We we could talk for hours and we've done it before, and.

Speaker 4 (02:36:11):
The House of Knock has I think over six hundred
videos on it now.

Speaker 3 (02:36:16):
I remember remember when you hit five hundred, that was
a big celebration. Wow, you get one hundred more.

Speaker 4 (02:36:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:36:22):
So I got to ask, where did the name House
of Enoch come from?

Speaker 9 (02:36:25):
Yeah? Thank you. Yeah, my question too.

Speaker 4 (02:36:29):
I'm a big propriet. I'm a voracious reader on top
of other things. But it's all about you know, the
Book of Enoch and the Apocrypha books, and you know,
the the hidden knowledge, the forbidden knowledge, the you know,
you have the Bible and then you have these books

(02:36:50):
and then enochs man, the Book of Nuck's completely different
is talking about and really it's like like that house
of that forbid knowledge, and that's that's kind of what
it's about just like and some not everything I do
is about about Bigfoot. On my page I expanded to

(02:37:14):
you know, mushrooms. I expanded to a lot, a lot
of stuff I really like, the deep dive into is
Indian mountains and and and ancient cultures and stuff like that.
I'm just really because in one way or another, it
all kind of comes back to the same subject.

Speaker 7 (02:37:35):
The more you know, it all comes back around.

Speaker 4 (02:37:40):
Let's see, I'm all about uh, you know, very kind
of new agey ideas, which I mean are absolutely there's
there's way to what they're discovering now with frequency and
how the ancients needs they built their temples to look like,
you know, certain frequencies four thirty two. You look at
it in a spectrograph and it's the you can do it.

Speaker 9 (02:38:05):
Yeah, there's a reason that there's bells there. There's a
reason it goes so so so deep. We might have
to talk Leater King because now you're talking, you're talking
the same.

Speaker 7 (02:38:15):
Yeah, you have to come back and start digging into
this stuff, because that's now you're talking mye.

Speaker 3 (02:38:23):
Yeah, if you'll go back, if y'all go back and
watch some original Squatch and holler you will hear some
of this because we got in we had a three
almost for our conversation one night and didn't talk about Bigfoot. Yeah,
mud floods, John. Yeah, So if.

Speaker 6 (02:38:43):
Sorry Roger cutting you off. So somebody in the comments
here is asking that are you thinking about making a book.

Speaker 4 (02:38:54):
Maybe at some point? Yes, actually on but a couple
of the books I was published when I was like
in a sixth grade nationally, So I do have an
act been to journalism, and I did some journalism and
uh high school and college, and I definitely have an
act for that. My first book will be if I

(02:39:16):
ever do it, I do kind of plan on we'll
have nothing to do about Bigfoot. It'll be but at
a certain point I do have an idea about it,
but is not going to be It'll be from a
totally different type of perspective, and uh, I just feel

(02:39:37):
like I'm not quite there yet on that front. I'm
definitely there on on my my other idea, like I
feel like I could write it now, and it's kind
of like kind of along the same line like to me,
I think sasquatch are free, the type of humanity that's

(02:39:57):
one free and that's spent time in the Yucatan Peninsula
and and and met these minds down there that are
just living changed my life. And I feel like we
kind of got born into a trap here with the
culture that we have. You know, we got to work

(02:40:18):
till we're about sixty seven before we're allowed to enjoy life.
And that I'm all about wild edibles and self sustaining
primitive knowledge. So I want to kind of write a
book touching on that, but having the knowledge in there,
like to be able to maybe put some of that

(02:40:40):
to use and how to regain some kind of stability
generational wealth again, you know, because I feel like the
way things are set up now, there is no unless
you're already born rich or whatever. How is the guy
start you could do? You could do it in one generation.

(02:41:03):
But the ideas I have about that and what you'd
have to do and what you could do to sustain
yourself again, it all goes back to big But people
say there's not enough food to eat for these creatures. Uh,
that's horse maneuver. I hit in fights with with scholarly

(02:41:25):
people sometimes and they, I mean, I'm like, what are
you getting your answers off of Google? For God's sake?
Most of the stuff that most of the stuff that
is on the the list is not even you can't
even find it on Google that's on the menu. And
this this world the day that you were you were

(02:41:47):
born on this planet, you inherit the right to inhabit
it and cultivate it. And your food is there. There's
no other living creature on this planet that doesn't have
the same food source that everything is born with the
ability to have food to eat for free. I wanted tangent,

(02:42:08):
but I'm passionate about this stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (02:42:10):
Now when y'all y'all rewind and hear me say, this
was a tip of the iceberg this show. Now, he's
multi layered. It's like it's like he continues to surprise me.
Every time we talked, you know, about things and and
and I think you were listening to something we were
talking about one time about frequencies and and and we

(02:42:31):
have all these questions or whatever, and then well he
came on and it just turned it wide open. So
that's why I love Kane.

Speaker 9 (02:42:37):
So definitely, definitely have you back, Kane. This has been wonderful.

Speaker 4 (02:42:44):
I appreciate everybody.

Speaker 6 (02:42:45):
It feels like we're just starting to dig our, dip
our toes into your your knowledge, and I want to
pick your brain a whole lot more.

Speaker 4 (02:42:53):
For sure, for sure, we're in a you know, a
good company. Everybody in the audience. Thank you, Thank you
guys for having me. I tried to be humble. I
try to just be a good person, be humble about everything.
And I love talking to people about these subjects.

Speaker 3 (02:43:12):
All right, are we gonna are we gonna see you?
We're gonna see you Halloween.

Speaker 4 (02:43:16):
Maybe possibly.

Speaker 3 (02:43:19):
When when you write your book. I want to broil copy.

Speaker 4 (02:43:22):
Okay, there you go.

Speaker 3 (02:43:23):
Yeah, that's I joke, y'all.

Speaker 4 (02:43:25):
We'll talk about up in here. That's up in here
right now.

Speaker 3 (02:43:29):
Yeah, all right, y'all. Thank you Ashley, Amanda and Cain
and everybody in chat. We've had good numbers tonight. Of course,
you have a great guest. It's it's easy. It's a
holler thing, y'all.

Speaker 7 (02:43:43):
Thing.

Speaker 3 (02:43:43):
All right, we will see y'all later. Sorry, you know,
I didn't put as much chat up tonight, but we
had a lot to cover, y'all know too much. Oh,
you're good, you know. All right, y'all, have a good
weekend next week. I believe it's Scott and Sheila Grainger.

Speaker 7 (02:44:04):
Yes, I believe, Yes, George excited to have them on
the show.

Speaker 3 (02:44:08):
Yeah, that's that's in your neck of the woods.

Speaker 7 (02:44:10):
So they are.

Speaker 3 (02:44:11):
Yeah, everybody, go google Caine, Michael and our Church on
YouTube and you'll have plenty of things to dig into
and the next time you'll be more prepared for your question.
So all right, y'all, have a good night.

Speaker 9 (02:44:27):
Oh ya, wait wait guys, wait wait wait wait uh?
Hillary is really really before we leave this thing? Where
are you at at the mouth Manifest? Sorry, my thought
on my computer is super small. And Manda, can you
see Hillary's question about the Mothman Festival?

Speaker 3 (02:44:48):
No, don't, don't. Don't answer that, Hillary stalks Caine, what's y'all?

Speaker 4 (02:44:53):
I was, I was planning on going. I was not
there this year. I was there last year and planning
planning to be there again. Oh, I got big news
for everybody. I'm sorry. Yes, I'm involved. There's a town
near me that's Nelsonville, Ohio. Richard with O c R

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Ohio CRYPTI researchers probably remember the name. He approached Nelsonville
and they're having their first Bigfoot festival and it's it's
gonna be a big deal. Uh, it's a great town
for this to be in. I'm gonna be one of
the speakers. I'm also on the council, so it's so

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for years after this I will have a say as
well as Richard and a lot of other people that
will have a say on who the speakers are. And
for first like this year, for sure, we're making all
about the community and the people that don't live in
the community, that that you never hear from, you know,

(02:45:59):
they're not popular enough or whatever, and beers and boogers.
But it's it's gonna be a big deal. You'll start
seeing stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (02:46:10):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:46:11):
Eric's gonna be one of the speakers. Richard Linda Siegmund,
one of the last surviving members of an actual the
actual Bathman. She's a good friend of ours. She's gonna
be speaking. Great lineup of real true researchers. And yeah,
it's big news.

Speaker 7 (02:46:31):
So that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:46:35):
October.

Speaker 7 (02:46:36):
Yeah, I mean it's I think have plenty of time
to Yeah, they have one and loan.

Speaker 4 (02:46:43):
And there was over forty thousand people that showed up.

Speaker 9 (02:46:47):
That it's gonna take time to organize and get together
and and everything.

Speaker 4 (02:46:51):
Yeah, and they can do it. They have done some
huge they have some big festivals that they do down there.
It's the same people playing in that. They have to
know how it's going to be a big event.

Speaker 9 (02:47:02):
So proud Kane, send us updates, send us any promotional material.
We'll get it out there.

Speaker 3 (02:47:10):
Yep, we might. We might have to make a road trip.

Speaker 9 (02:47:12):
Well, you read my mind, Roger.

Speaker 4 (02:47:16):
I think we're gonna have a researcher's road where people
come and do live podcasts. It's gonna be a big deal.
So I might take it up on that offer.

Speaker 3 (02:47:26):
Thanks for sharing with us, I feel, you know anyway, y'all.
And I thought, y'all the inside joke with Hillary, we're
like a brother sister and so we pick on each
other a lot. But she calls, uh, Kane, what's she
called the silver Fox? I thought, I don't know what that. Yeah,
the other night silver Fox alert. I'm embarrassing Kane. All right, y'all,

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I'm gonna hit end this time.

Speaker 7 (02:47:51):
Y'all be quiet, Yeah, Southern goodbyes, y'all.