Squatchin' Holler #9 Georgia Bigfoot Files: Scott and Sheila Granger

Scott and Sheila share how they got started into the Bigfoot excursions and how being former police officers , local and federal, helps with gathering evidence.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Squatching Holler.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
In the midst where the trees lean loop. Squatching Hollers
gotta teal the show. Wisps creep like a creature, spain
out every shadows got a secret to grow?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Monsters rise?

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Where the stories are told?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Squatching Hollow where the legends are born?

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Are they here?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Are they gone?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Who can say?

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In the hollow of the truth, your slips, huge footprints
fade where the creek runs them a lantern sways. Let

(01:22):
the search begin, rustling leaves, but there's no one there.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Is it the wind or the beast?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
You fear?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Everywhere goes a question. Every rustle's a clue. Swatching hollis got.

Speaker 6 (01:37):
Its eyes on you. Monsters.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
The stories are told?

Speaker 6 (01:43):
Swatching How where the legends are going?

Speaker 5 (01:47):
Are they?

Speaker 6 (01:49):
Are they gone?

Speaker 7 (01:51):
You can say they are?

Speaker 6 (01:55):
The sun said?

Speaker 4 (01:59):
And now you're Squatching Holler. Hosts Roger Williams, Amanda Stowers,
and Ashley Rams. Remember this podcast can be downloaded everywhere
great podcasts are found. And now the show.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Hello everybody, Hey Roger, how's it going good? Uh? I've done.
I want first off on to thank everybody for being here,
the mods and and everybody in chat. Uh. Please forgive
me my voice. I did a taping of a podcast today.
I've been talking on the phone and I a couple

(02:46):
nights ago decided to clean our fans and I had
dust everywhere. So I've got this coffin that you going on.

Speaker 6 (02:55):
End.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
So you're good, Okay, thank you. How'd your day go today?
You you were.

Speaker 8 (03:02):
Run it all over the place like usual, the only
thing I do on my days off.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
It seems like, well, y'all tonight, we've got some uh uh,
some of Amanda's neighbors. Basically, yea, I know a little
bit about North Georgia. I know that we've been there
a couple of times, and the and you go the
right time of the year with the colors, it's it's probably,
for me, one of the top five prettiest regions you know,

(03:29):
in the country.

Speaker 8 (03:30):
It really is absolutely gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
People talk about Gatlinburg and all that, but you go
to North Georgia around Clayton and Blue Ridge and all that,
it's just, you know, it's beautiful and it's boogery.

Speaker 9 (03:43):
So yes, I'm looking around at all these hollows, I'm like,
oh my god, this is crazy. But yeah, so our
guest tonight. Scott and Sheila Granger, both of them have
a lot of police and policing experience. I'll let them explain.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
And you know what, what I find, uh, I don't
want to say the word compelling or I love it
that they get they go do things together.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
They've opened a business to kind of combined it, you know,
from a fishing guide to squatch tours and all that.
And I met them on excuse me, I met them
at the l B L and I didn't get to
talk to them long because there were so many people there.

(04:43):
I was kind of fanboying a little bit and I
didn't and like, there's people that I talked to later,
I'm like, oh, I wish i'd've got to sit down
on them, and these these two are I don't know
what I said to them, but I don't. I was
going around and meeting everybody, and so tonight we get
to we get to talk uh to Scott and Sheila,

(05:05):
and we should have done it earlier. But I'm glad
they're here, and me too.

Speaker 8 (05:11):
I'm glad to have them on. I've enjoyed talking to
them all the time when I see them. So let's
go ahead and bring them on stage.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
So yeah, so a Manda, this is Amanda's old buddies here.
So hey, y'all, how you doing good? I appreciate y'all
being here. And you know, one one of our goals
with this show is to get certain regions out there
in other regions and and and let people know that

(05:39):
the Boogers, the Bigfoot, whatever you want to call them,
they exist in other places. And North Georgia not being
there much when I when I used to go to Florida,
I would go through Atlanta, Uh, stay on the main
roads or whatever. But you know, Alabama and Georgia and

(05:59):
Mississippi and Tennessee and all the Apple Actian it's just, uh,
it's an incredible place and it really is. I just
I wish everybody could experience some of the areas.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
We we do know that that it's getting traction more
with more shows and more more of the internet, you know,
YouTube and all that, people are starting to learn about
these hot spots. But there's also hot spots that nobody
knows about, you know.

Speaker 8 (06:35):
Right, yeah, so and sometimes that's for a good reason too.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Absolutely, you know, I have we know some of the
same people and you'll hear they're like, Oh, I want
to go to some and so's and I want to investigate,
and you know, you feel sometimes you don't want to
tell people where you've been because you don't want them
to get hurt. So, you know, is that something y'all

(07:04):
think about when you take people out for the first time?
And oh, it's it's I think it's great what y'are doing,
So tell us it's squatch Fishing out Outfitters. Is that
what it gets?

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
I sit behind them, y'all check that out? Do I
do that? I'm pointing all over and I'm not right.

Speaker 8 (07:27):
Yeah, I got there. I got their socials plugged here
in the comments section for those of you who want
to go give them a follow, and I'll try to
keep pulling them up here on the screen throughout the
show for the people who are watching. But yeah, just
look up squash.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
You know.

Speaker 8 (07:41):
I can talk this evening squatch Fishing Outfitters on Facebook
and TikTok and and y'all and y'alls TikTok seems to
be blown up here lately too.

Speaker 6 (07:55):
And I'll tell you why. I never realized what a
full time job, just that end is.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Hate it though, Yeah, so how well how well has
it been received? You know, because a lot of if
I get on there, you know, you get comments about
my accent and all that, and they ask you a
question to do it don't have anything to do with Bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Is?

Speaker 3 (08:18):
It going pretty pretty good?

Speaker 6 (08:20):
It's going better than we thought.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
It was a lot better.

Speaker 6 (08:23):
Yeah, I mean we're shocked, especial.

Speaker 8 (08:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
See, a man, I told you we need to do
a live one.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I answer for me.

Speaker 6 (08:34):
To figure because I am not I am not that
technical person.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
You know.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
I have to call our youngest daughter and she has
to get on there, you know, share the screen. I
don't even know how to do all that.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
That's why I let her do all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
That well, that's that's that's where now we live in
the age where they've simplified it enough. We can punch
a few buttons and get on. If something goes wrong,
I panic, you know, but it's a hold on second, y'all.
It's gonna be one of those nights. I apologize. I know.
I did some Granger studying this week. I watched a

(09:12):
few videos and catching up and you know Mark Newbill,
uh y'all, y'all's buddy. He's doing some documentary style things
now that're that are amazing. I watched this latest one
with y'all and the man that was on there, and
if if people watched that and don't believe him, something's wrong. Well,

(09:37):
I know when y'all talk about things I've seen, I
don't know if it comes from your background. I know
I wanted to be a detective at one point, but
I wasn't built that way up here because of the
things that come along with it. The you know, I
had the romantic view of showing up solving a mystery,
right you're you're don't You're not prepared for the heartache,

(09:59):
in the in the sights and smells and all that.
So I appreciate y'all doing y'all jobs because I couldn't
do it.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
Yes, definitely, Yes, got to do it.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
All right, So let's start with this and then y'all
can go whichever way you want to. How does you
can tell people if you want to, what you both
used to do, and how does it help you when
you're out looking for clues or signs of bigfoot?

Speaker 6 (10:29):
I think my biggest one, you know, like I said,
I was a call for a little over twenty years,
and I think that little, you know, voice in your head,
that intuition thing, I think that's what's helped me a lot,
probably caused me to stay out of more trouble than
I wanted. Does that make any sense? So I tell
everybody you better trust your instincts. Listen to that little

(10:50):
voice when it's time to leave. It's time to leave.

Speaker 8 (10:53):
Yeah, I've got sake sense. Is there for a reason.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
I've got more trouble in my life not listening to
it than I have listening to it.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
It'll get you lie for me. I've been outdoorsman, hunting,
fished all my life, you know, been in the woods
ever since I was big enough to go, and that helped.
That part helps me out a lot. But the part
about being in law enforcement was the observation right things
around you, you know, the little thing. It's not the

(11:22):
big things, because the big things are very obvious. It's
the little things right that are a little bit out
of place, that shouldn't be there, that shouldn't be that way,
that type thing.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
That's a good that's a good point because the first
thing I'm going to do and you're going to do,
is if I see a track, I'm going to look
for human tracks around I'm gonna look first, uh where
if somebody's trying to fake it? And you know what,
I haven't really thought about that when when you say, oh,

(11:54):
we we found these tracks and it was way out
in the middle of nowhere, there's no way to fake
them because of the material, because of the terrain, and
if you're going to disturb the area, if you're faking it,
there's no way not to in some of these places.
That's a ech of a point. Let me write that down,

(12:16):
because you do it from from your your standpoint. You're
you're okay, I've got this piece of evidence here, whether
it's a tree break, whether it's a bend or a trail,
and you talk about the big boy trails where they
break high up, you know, or a footprint, I automatically

(12:38):
start trying to you know, the word I guess everybody
uses as debunk because I don't want to take a
picture of something and put it out there and then
somebody like you say, well, Roger, you see this over here.
Somebody did that because X y Z Now I would
take that, I would, you know, I said, okay, I
thank y'all. But that that's a part of it. We

(13:02):
don't talk about them much enough.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I think it's really true. Experts Now there's no experts,
and it still.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
Trialing error right here. We've learned all.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
The wrong ways or you know, if it could be
done wrong, we don't have done.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
It with you.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I've messed up right, and I've brought back.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
So exactly, and you know, and it's We get sent
pictures a lot from different folks and everything. And one
gentleman he sent a picture to us and it was
a great picture, I mean, textbook great. But after blowing
it up and studying on it a little bit, I
showed it Sheila and she took one look at it.
She started giggling a little bit when you could see

(13:44):
it was a double step bear track. Yeah, claws in
the center, just give it away. Common and that is
very common up here. But my favorite one come from
these girls from squash.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
Fish now tells the story all the time, every time
I want.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
They looked me up and asked in that one day,
laid it in a hammock and showed me a picture,
and I said, oh, where'd y'all find this? And they
told me and everything I said, Well, let's go see it,
because they had a picture of the prettiest track you
ever wanted to see in your life.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
I mean, I was ready to carry cash the material
with me. And we get up there and we get
looking at it and get studying on it, and I
start laughing. I tell them, I said, girls, the saint
of track. I had women up there and were ready
to whip me.

Speaker 8 (14:32):
Had to buster bubble.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I said. They said, what do you mean that ain't track?
I said, hang on the second look I got showing
it to him, And once I pointed it out to him,
they all saw it and they're like, oh man, we
thought we had the perfect thing. He was actually pig rooting.

Speaker 8 (14:46):
Yeah, oh wow, little.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Pigs up there. They had rooted the prettiest track you
ever wanted to see. It get no better.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
It's weird. But I'm more scared of a hog and
the woods than anything else about.

Speaker 8 (15:01):
And can you out of my mouth? Don't why them
hogs scared? They're thinking vicious.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
To the people that don't know, a hog or two
or three hogs can get you down and you won't
exist anymore. Your DNA will be spread all through the woods.
Next couple of.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Days, left left parts of your teeth.

Speaker 6 (15:24):
I'll chase, chase a big field all day long, but
a hog now I'm typing out.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, and the people don't realize also how strong they are.
They're just pure muscle. So uh. And I'm too old
to climb trees, so yeah, and people surprise yourself.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
One gets after you.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Get one in tusk in the rear end. Yeah, and
that and that's a good point too, because they'll see
y'all or me or somebody have a firearm with you.
And usually it's it's something big enough to take care
of a hog or something that's goes crazy, and and

(16:03):
you know it's it's not it's not always going to happen,
but it can. And I've seen I've seen animals, Like
you said, you walk up with little ones and you
don't necessarily have to shoot them, just kind of shooting
a direction and let the sound. You know, their ears
are sensitive. So yeah, people, you know, it always gets
me when why do y'all have guns? I'm like, well,

(16:24):
we always do. I mean, we grew up.

Speaker 8 (16:26):
Have you not been in the woods before.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
We've walked up on bears before. I mean the bear
are trying to look at us, and it's just as
shocked to see them as we are.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, and we got some bruiser black bears up there now,
So I mean the ones running that five hundred pound class.

Speaker 8 (16:44):
I believe it, especially this time. You're right before hibernation,
the getting some chunkers.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
There's some bears active.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
So she if I'm not mistaken, Were you the first
one to have an encounter?

Speaker 6 (16:57):
I did?

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Can you can you tell the folks and chat and
people listening and that'll be listening tomorrow kind of how
that happened?

Speaker 6 (17:05):
Okay, all right, Well, it was actually September of twenty
nineteen and me and Scott and a friend of ours
were out hiking. We were in north not this part
of North Georgia. We were actually over towards Clayton I'll
tell you where. We're in Sarah's Creek. And it was
like two o'clock during the day. We'd done in hiking,
scouting out areas, and we decided the last minute to

(17:27):
go up a ridge. And look, I'm telling you, I
did not have it. I did not have a gun
on me and I usually will, like I say, because
of the hogs. I didn't even have my cell phone
on me because you know, we weren't anticipating anything. That's
usually when.

Speaker 8 (17:40):
It happens, usually when it happens, right.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
That's right. And so I started going on up a
ridge and Scott and our friend stayed behind because they
were looking at a tree that something was like rubbing on,
you know, like when it was going up the ridge.
I went on up there and I'm looking down at
our cars and these little dirt roads, you know, two
path roads, trying to figure everything is. And like I said,

(18:04):
it was, it was just me up there, not a
lot of foliage on the tree at this time, trees
at the time. I heard like a clicking noise what
I think was a clicking noise, and I take a
step back and I look over there about twenty five
yards away and I see something but in your mind,
like I tell everybody, you have nothing to liken it too.

(18:24):
Because I've never seen one before. I knew it was
a bear, but it was standing there. And what got
me is the movement, just a little bit of bouncing
to the left. And I'm looking, I say, Scott, you know,
because I thought they were coming up right behind me,
and they're still down the ridge, and this thing's looking
at me. I'm looking at him. We have eye contact,

(18:45):
no doubt whatsoever. He's bouncing a little bit more. His
hands were around a tree, and he was a cinnamon
looking color. And when he starts to bounce in a
little bit more, I say, Scott, and this thing dropped
like a puff of smoke. I mean, just instantaneously. And
I didn't realize until I ran over there it was
on a decline. So if I had, you know, been

(19:07):
called out on the radio, I would have said it
had been about before before I got there and seen
it was a decline, I would have said about six
and a half six and a half foot. But once
I got over there, I realized it would it would
be much taller. So they come running up there, you know,
and I'm pointing, and I know I'm shaking. It's it's
more adrenaline than anything, because you're going through the you know,

(19:28):
the file in your head. What did I just see?
And so yeah, Scott and our friend come up there,
and I directed them to the tree. I direct dust
to the tree.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
And we don't name our friend because he's passed away.
If if it wasn't for that, we'd name it.

Speaker 8 (19:45):
Understood.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
We get up there, and I tell everybody because it's
so funny. To me, looking at hindsight, it's very funny
because I had my very own personal life size tickle meal.
She was vibrating from her.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
And I've I had been on a lot of adrenaline
rush situations, but that was the top.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
She told us, told us what she had seen and
pointed out the tree and where the top of the
thing's head was at that tree. So I stayed right
there and hear and our friend went over there to it.
And when they got over there and they stepped off
the backside you where we were at, you really couldn't tell.
It was a good down down cline right there. They
stepped off, and I was like, wow, you know, they

(20:26):
went way down and our buddy's six foot three and
his head was nowhere close to where she told me
that thing was.

Speaker 6 (20:35):
He had to reach up, but you know I would
have never Honestly, I was looking down at the cars
and everything, just looking around. You know, we're about ready
to leave. So I until I heard that noise and
you know, took that step back and looked to where
it comes from. So to me, that makes me think
that I said it's a heat because I didn't, you know,
I believe it was a he Obviously it wanted me

(20:59):
to see, and I probably would have never seen him
had he been right there.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Can you I got a couple of questions. Can you explain?
Do you remember what kind of noise it was?

Speaker 6 (21:10):
I think, now after we've done this a lot longer,
I think it's that clicking noise they make with their tongue.
That's what I think it was, because it was like
that stark you know, and we've heard it before in
the woods, but it's almost like an attention thing, like
look over here because something over here is moving. So
I don't know, but that's that's exactly why I look
that direction.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
And did it have any particular expression on its face
or was it.

Speaker 6 (21:35):
Just I didn't I didn't feel like maybe I didn't
have enough of sense to feel scared.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
Maybe it's just but he was looking at you. It
was like it was a mutual I'm looking at him
and he's looking at me. So I don't know if
it was curiosity or hey, there's a woman out there
by herself and let me scared the day outside over
or whatever. I just tell you it looked like with
sinmon looking color. The face looked like leather or clay,

(22:04):
you know what I mean. There was no hair on
the face. Yes, And that's weird because I guess I
was anticipating the favor saw one that hair would be
all over the face, but the area.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Was a was it a grayish or a tannish color.
The skin on the face to me like.

Speaker 6 (22:20):
Old clay like yeah, and the shoulders there was this
shoulder was on this side of the tree, and this
shoulder was still on that side of the tree. I
mean there was no neck, but its head was not.
I didn't see like a conical shaped head. And it
looked to me more human than I guess I was expecting,

(22:41):
maybe like an apish looking.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
But well, I think that's what happens to us. We
have Just think if we none of us had ever
seen one, and then now we're watching TikTok and and
that's our first exposure to bigfoot. I think a lot
of people will be shocked. I think they get the
size similar. The body portions are off and the face
is off, but that would be what we would expect.

(23:06):
And then when you see, you know, we hear from
a lot of people that have up close encounters, the expressions,
and it looks almost human. It just goes against everything
that I thought, you know, because the one I saw,
I didn't see the face. So that Scott, let me

(23:28):
ask you this. How long have you known Sheila? Oh?

Speaker 6 (23:32):
Lord, one hundred years?

Speaker 3 (23:34):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
We actually got together back in twenty twelve, the first
part of twenty twelve, and been together ever since.

Speaker 6 (23:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
So the reason I say that, the reason I asked
that people when you know each other, you know what
she's dealt with. You know all of it, everything about her,
more than she probably knows about herself when she when
she comes to you, When when she comes to you
and says, Scott, I just saw bigfoot. What went through

(24:07):
your head?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Oh? I believed right off. I mean I knew she
had seen something, and but she didn't say bigfoot right then.
She just said it was right over there.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
I didn't know what.

Speaker 8 (24:20):
You just said. He was just calling it is.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Right at that moment. You know, she didn't say there's
a big foot, right she just said it was right
over there. And uh, and then the shaking and the
vibration and everything. All I knew what she had seen.
But you know, it was still we were still newer
to this at that point in time, and it wasn't

(24:47):
a shock to me on one hand, and on the
other hand, it was.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
Was shocked to man. You know, it just wasn't anticipating it.
I mean, it was just crazy. I didn't have any
any kind of weapon or my cell phone. Honestly, I
wouldn't have thought about either one of them at that time.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Now we get out a lot about you know, why
didn't you take a picture or something. I'm here to
tell you, when you lay your eyes on one of
these things, especially your very first time and pretty much
every time after that, a picture is really the last
thing on your mind. It's not there.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
But believe me, and I went through this scenario a
thousand times in my head, replaying that same scenario. Had
it wanted me rest assured, there would have been nothing
I could have done. As fast as that thing moved,
he could have been on me in two seconds and
it had been over with.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, because he wasn't twenty five yards away from her.

Speaker 8 (25:43):
Wow, that's that's too close for comfort.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
So have you ever had anything weird in your life
happened before that? Like, you know, paranormal or anything like that.
Oh yeah, okay, well, and I and I have to
I just sometimes I try to find connections of why
why us, you know, and and because you have people

(26:10):
I'm sure y'all run up on it all the time. Hey,
I want to go uh fishing with you? But can
you carry me? I want to see a big foot.
I don't believe in them. I've never had anything happen
and show me one. And that's kind of not how
it works because I feel like they're in control of
the situation. They are if they and I know we
sound crazy, y' all that the ones that don't know,

(26:33):
but it's just that's that's I found that interesting that
you talked about the mouth pop because a a predator
that's about to eat you, it's not going to do that.

Speaker 8 (26:46):
Mm hm.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
You know what I mean. If something, if you see
a mountain lion sneaking up on something, they're going as
quiet as you don't know that you're got until your guy.
So that's why you know, as being a hunter, like
know Scott said earlier, That's what That's what I always
go back to. We've had similar things happen and and
the thing with the rock throwing. That's not particularly trying

(27:11):
to hurt you. I don't think is trying to like
get out of here. You know, this is our living.

Speaker 8 (27:15):
Room going.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Joas going off a little bit.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
So I don't know if this is Joe or Jesse,
but I want to know what part of Georgia they
do a lot of work in North Georgia.

Speaker 6 (27:32):
L J might as well say Gilmore County when we
live in the backwoods.

Speaker 8 (27:38):
I got y'all backwards for whatever reason. I had y'all
in Blairsville for some reason. I guess what, Hi, Dabor,
You're even closer to me than I thought.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Were truly between l J and Blue Rigs.

Speaker 8 (27:48):
Yeah, okay, perfect, cross the.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Line in Gilmour County and give us an LJ address.

Speaker 8 (27:53):
Understand that.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
And we like it because we can sell on our
front porch like the last couple of lives on. It
is so funny we're sitting out there and people could
hear the howling.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Oh yeah, Oh, it's just.

Speaker 8 (28:08):
Have y'all been keeping up with the posts from the
museum here lately about the Cinmon color. I figured y'all had.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
I told Scott, let's go, let's go right out there.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
You know.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
I'm gonna tell you what's shocking to me is, you know,
it's very cozy and everything out there, and there's a
lot of a lot of cabins, but the amount of
windows and the blinds that they don't even have a.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Clue, like we're looking like, yeah, these folks don't don't understand.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
Yeah, dinner in a movie.

Speaker 8 (28:44):
Ye, dinner in a movie. They just they put me
sitting there in the woods with his rabbit or something,
these crazy hairless monky.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
The rock throwing earlier, there's a person in the chat.
It's flat Rock mm hmm. He was out on the
trail with us one night. And these people don't understand
how hard these things can throw a rock. I mean
when he when you throw a granite rock and it's
whistling through the air, it's got some velocity on it.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Flat Rock was right behind us, me and another guy
that was out on the trail and a rock got
thrown at me and the guy that was with me
right standing right beside me. Well, it flew right in
front of us and it was I mean, it was
whistling when it comes by. The embankment rolled down and
flat Rock walked right back right past us, and he
picked it up. He says, here's that rock just got thrown? What? Oh,

(29:40):
he was in the right spot to see it come across.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah. Well, so when the first one happened. He usually
when people that are curious about how things happen, how
things work and all that, when you have that first encounter,
it kind of lights of fire. Did It's hard to forget.

(30:04):
I mean you're looking in a face of something that's
not supposed to exist. So how did that change you?

Speaker 6 (30:12):
I wanted to believe before, because I mean, I'm telling
you a legend of Blacky Creek. It was my most
you know, favorite movie in the world. He was the
biggest skeptic, and you know I wanted to see. And
then we did go out with another group, you know,
on a big foot hunt in that very first night.

(30:33):
That was it. That was I was hooked. We were
both hooped after that because we didn't see anything then,
but we heard stuff that just couldnot be explained. I mean,
something walked right up to our tent, to the point
where had it touched the tent that night, I would
have got up and ran tent there.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
With me.

Speaker 8 (30:51):
It was that would looks like a hamster wheel, rolling.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
Tree and knock myself out. But I've never heard anything
like that before. And it's true. If you start down
this rabbit hole, you'll always have more questions and you
will have answers. And that's how it's been, but it
is and I'll be honest with you. When we first
started out, we was like, Okay, we're just going to
concentrate on big Foot, nothing else. Forget that. To throw

(31:17):
that out of the window, because.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
It all starts blending and mingling together.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
It does, it does.

Speaker 8 (31:24):
Well.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
You know, we have some some friends in common and
one guy he's like, he said, Roger, the more you see,
the more you see. And I don't know whether that
they go by your reaction or it's something you know,
some way we're born or made up, you know, I
don't know why they're attracted to some people. Now there

(31:49):
are different types of encounters, like if somebody's driving down
the road in a quiet car that come over a
rise and they catch one crossing the road or whatever,
or if you're being really quiet on a trail and
you've got the wind in your favor by accidents you
don't not paying attention, but you can come up in it,
and maybe it's busy doing something that's happened now when

(32:14):
you go out, it's funny. I talk to people that
do what y'all do, and we've done it quite a bit.
When you have these interactions that, Okay, I'm walking down
the trail, it's getting close to dark. I'm gonna get
out of here. But then all of a sudden you
hear the rock class Okay, then you're like, there's nothing

(32:39):
doing that. You know, you know the difference between woodpecker
and two rocks clicking together. And I did an interview
today and I told them, you know, yes we have stories,
but yes we have stuff on audio like you guys,
and we have I have pictures of footprints. But there
have been witness other witnesses, and y'all know from being

(33:01):
in police work the amount of evidence that, Okay, if
I've got three witnesses saying the same thing, and I
have tracks, and I have hair samples, and I have audio,
how tough would that be to get out of that
if you had to go to court? You know what
I mean. It's like you've got three witnesses saying, hey,

(33:22):
this is what we saw, and I'm talking about bigfoot
I'm just talking about, you know, somebody robs a dollar
general and you have all that evidence. Man, you're in trouble.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
You're in trouble, right.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
So people kind of they kind of pushed that aside.
But I've only found tracks four times, and all four
times I sounded like a little girl, sir squealing. It's rare.
It's very rare, and it's and to be standing there
where one of these creatures has has stood is amazing.

(33:54):
And I don't I don't think we give you know,
I know, people say, oh, you're just up your game.
You just getting just getting tracks, You're just getting cast,
you're just getting audio. I'm like, wait a minute, just yeah,
you know what, so you know what we do?

Speaker 8 (34:12):
We know.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
There was a there was a comment. You know, we
had we had Caine on last week, and if you
watch more than fifteen minutes of it, you know, Kane
goes in all different directions and his beliefs and stuff
and evidence. And apparently this person watched about ten to
fifteen minutes and the comment was like, oh my god,
tracks up your game. You know. I'm like, tell me

(34:37):
you didn't watch without saying you didn't watch, you know.

Speaker 8 (34:40):
But that's do you know how much it takes to
get a decent, decent track You want to say, up
your game. I'm like, you know you got any of
a game if you're out there getting that.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, they didn't watch far enough because you know, they
track them and trail them for a while.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
They Yeah, I mean the fact that he knows that
when they come by his house that the mom stays close,
the little one stays in the middle, and the what
he thinks is the dad is up high.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
That's that's another episode, but it just bringing up the
point when people said, well, all, well I heard some
tree knocks and all we heard was was a whoop.
I'm like, ah, you yeah.

Speaker 6 (35:22):
I mean I'm going to say, now we have had
we've had more interaction. Like our first expedition, we were
nervous and we're thinking, oh my gosh, this is gonna
be a catastrophe and it was just going to be
so you know, but that first expedition, with all that
activity we had, and it wouldn't you know, it's not
just Scott and I. We had a group of people

(35:43):
and their mouths hit the floor, you know, and how
can you we didn't hire somebody to be out in
the woods where we were, because I promise you it
was off the beaten path.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I mean, I think we could have found anybody to
go out.

Speaker 6 (35:58):
These jokers around here like to throw rocks, but I
think we looked out that particular, not because I'm not
telling anybody to do this, but they started throwing these,
not the big rocks, the little rocks, the little pebbles.
So I had a sling shot and so they.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Wait a minute, wait a minute, yeah, right now.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
These jokers are smart, so they started was throwing well, yeah,
you got that was my sling shot.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
So so I had no reference to what these pictures were,
so I I thought maybe these two were related. You were, maloney,
I'm telling you.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
They started throwing little rocks, and I said, let's see,
and I got my little sling shot out and took
the little rocks and I shot the opposite direction, you know,
they shoot one way and I shoot. This went on
for about twenty or thirty minutes.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (36:48):
Wow, it was crazy. And so Scott took a group
out hiking down the road and me and a few
girls set around the campfire. And when they got back,
I Askedcott, I said, can you walk with me around?
That was my jeep? I said, you know, see the
little girls ram and I know there was nothing there
nothing there. We walk around there and my head light
hips that rock on my fenderwheel. There was no other

(37:11):
rocks around like that. It was not thrown because there
was no dent and no scratch. So I think it
was a little gift for like, hey us.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
That rock's really unique because, like Sheila said, there's no
other rocks around that area like that. That was a
river rock is you can tell by the house nice
and round and everything. That rock has been rolled in
the red clay. It's coated red clay.

Speaker 8 (37:35):
Oh wow, that explains the hell orange it is in
the picture in.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
The the area we were in. There's no creek within
a mile of that area.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Hmm.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
So it's in my curio cabinet to this day.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
I don't blame you.

Speaker 6 (37:53):
I was so excited.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
So is the fingerprints? Is that on your jeep? Also?

Speaker 8 (38:01):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (38:01):
Those were on Scott's jeep. That's the night that we
had an expedition going on and one of our crew members, Haley,
actually got to see one run on thermal and she
was she was about ready to be done. I mean,
she was just wanting to get back to where the
sitting group was and she was so worried. She says,

(38:22):
what if they follow us back to base camp? Well,
we did, and we always tell people that's intents, you know,
if anything happens, have your key fob ready hit that
key fob will come. And we had her sandwiched in between,
you know, our two campers. But they did. They come
that night and they ran their finger down her tent.
They were lamming the grills and that Scott's true. Next morning,

(38:46):
I first thing, I go walking around vehicles, so you
see the fingerprints and you can see where the fur,
you know, was when I pulled it back, and there's
beside his truck a.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Footprint, a big footprint.

Speaker 8 (38:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
So I mean with your you know, I used to
have to send off fingerprints that I did to the
TBI and FBI, and I don't know if I've ever
seen ridges quite like that deep You think that you
could part of it be a palm or or did

(39:19):
it look like maybe a thumb or finger It.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
Looked like fingers where he was squatted down like right,
and they were greasy, And honestly, I lifted those fingerprints.
I have those prints today.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
I'm proud. That sounds about right. Yeah, that's that's cool.

Speaker 8 (39:36):
And detail right there too. You said they were greasy
and people I hear that so many times from people
who when they find fingerprints or anything, any prints anywhere,
how greasy the oils on their hands or whatever the
natural secretions or whatever they have on theirs. So, like

(39:57):
you said earlier, small details and stuff around you, there
is also small details in some of the physical evidence
as well.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
And those pictures don't do those prints justice. Those those
prints are wider, way wider than my thumb.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Wait, And the ridges are amazing actually, the gap and
how deep they.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Are, and you can actually tell that in the shape
of them and everything's it's just they're odd.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Yeah, and that to a lot of people that might
not seem like much. But the first thing I noticed
was the width of the the ridges. So I know
we've got well let's let's well, I'll show a few
pictures of some of your outings so people can see.
Uh yeah, that's base camp. Uh what kind of rules

(40:50):
do you have for people? I know you said if
you if you hit the key fob or whatever, you have,
like meeting points, if you get separated and all that,
just to be safe.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
And well, we do, but the part of separation is
not in our vocabulary.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I mean, we run it down because the sitting group,
if she lives with a sitting group, she's watching everybody,
you know, make sure nobody wanders off. If I'm off
with the hiking group, everybody. I keep everybody there pretty
tight and everything. I'm real conscious about that. And that's
one of our things we go over with people is

(41:29):
we don't get separated. If something happens, you know, something
out of the ordinary happens, We're not running unless you
see me running, then it didn't take that.

Speaker 8 (41:41):
If you're running, it's real bad news.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, And I stress this, you know, to them wholeheartedly.
And we always get that one or two people, you know,
sometimes they'll last, well, well why can't we do this?
Why can't we do that? And we're like this. You know,
you're you're el can well being is our responsibility. You're
with us, and we're gonna make sure you're able to

(42:04):
leave here just like you came safe and well.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Has anybody ever come in a non believer and left
a believer?

Speaker 5 (42:15):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (42:15):
Yes, that's the best ones.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yes, matter of fact, in that picture, or she was
shooting a sling shop. The gentleman. The gentleman standing behind her,
he was another one of He was like me, one
of the biggest.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
Skipt We were crazy and he.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Uh, he only came because his wife, drugging you like
my life, drove me into this stuff. He actually got
to see one before she did.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Oh wow, oh yeah, and that and that, that's I've
seen that happen. Uh. And you start hearing whispering, go
tell them, Go tell him. Look, look you need look,
if you see something, say something right then it could
let us all know, because you got you need to
be on alert just in case.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
But and it's so cool out on the hiking group.
The same way with the sitting group too. But out
on our hiking groups, you don't have to wonder if
somebody saw something. I mean that intake of breath that
they make whenever it tells you.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah, what's what, Scott. I don't necessarily like telling scary
stories because it you know, we've had all kinds of
different experiences, but people like to hear the scary stuff.
What what was there been a time where you thought
what am I, Why am I doing this? And should

(43:40):
I go back?

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, there's a couple of those times.

Speaker 8 (43:46):
I'd say I know of one off the top of
my head for sure.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
That the Actually the first thing that happened to us
was we were in an area and got bluff charged
m and the ground off to the left of us
was on our trail was flat, but on the right
hand side of us as we were going up was
a pretty good ridge right there. And me, myself and Chiling,

(44:12):
two of our friends where me entering up through through
this area, and we're talking amongst ourselves and everything, and
all of a sudden, it sounded like a D nine
cat coming off the top of this ridge. And this
ridge is thick with mountain warel, I mean thick. All
of our head lamps shoot up towards that ridge, you know,
looking up it, and you can see the mountain Laurel

(44:33):
parting what was doing it? But you can see the
mountain Waurel party.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
It was coming down my side. So when I it's
almost like you're preparing, like if you see a rick's
about to happen, and you know how you lock it down.
I was in lockdown, like preparing to be.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Just waw just right over bracing yourself, yep.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
And it got to within ten yards of us and
just stopped. We didn't know if it comes over top of us,
or if it come down to a trail and took
off down a trail or what, but it just stopped.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
And for y'all in the listener to this that don't
know what a D nine is, that's a bulldozer. Yeah
in the oh man, that's in your It was dark, right,
so you had to see y'all braver than I am,
because I'll do all this stuff. But if I'm out
at night. Uh. Somebody asked me one time. Now, wait

(45:25):
a minute, you said you changed the way you do things,
but you're out at night. I'm like, no, I'm not
too far from the truck. Now.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
You know that's just for me.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
I have a problem with not being able to see
what's around me. And I don't know if that comes
from me seeing that one so clearly when I was young. Uh,
and I kind of, you know, turned it into a
boogey manisoda speak, So I had to I changed ways
the way I did things. But you know, if it happened,

(46:02):
you know, five years ago, it might have been a
little different reaction. But I guess not being able to
talk about it and having my own thoughts about it,
probably I probably scared myself more than it actually did. So,
but I admire y'all now.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
I agree, folks, for sure, I don't talking about those
scared times one of the yo other most I was
nervous about it this particular instance because I had someone
else with me, and and the person I had with
me was one of my best friend son, and we

(46:44):
were out on trail. We had something to get thrown
at us from the right hand side of the road,
and we have our team members that are with us.
Everybody has a job when something in particular happens. Well,
Nathan's job when something like that happens. He starts scanning
behind us and all around us with thermals, you know,
making sure we're clear. And he caught one off the

(47:05):
left hand side of the road, probably thirty yards from us,
peeking at us over a rock, and it was showing us,
you know, it's upper torso the shoulders down to about
this midsection. Then he was eating something. He kept looking
like he was eating something. We passed thermals around. Let
everybody watch this for a while, and then because it
went on for a good little bit. And after you've

(47:30):
watched the same thing, I'm not gonna say it's boring,
because it's never boring, but after you've watched the same
thing for a little while, you know you want something
else to happen. And a lot of times I'll walk
out with these things and you know they'll get up
and they'll either run off or walk off, or you
go the other way and people get the opportunity to
see them walk off. I was getting ready to do
that with this one, and my friend's son asked me

(47:53):
if he can go with me, and against my better judgment,
I let him. But after me and him, I had
a quick conversation. So we walked out here to this rock,
and when we look around behind the rock, it's not there. Well,
Nathan had already told me that he had lost sight
of it, and I figured it just laid down. Well,
it's not there, and I'm looking around my head lamp,

(48:16):
which my headlamp's pretty good, but it's not the best
in the world, you know. So I pulled out a big,
big light, bright light and shine up through there and
I start panning around and when I come on around
to about my one o'clock area. Over there. There he is,
he's fifteen yards away from us, with his back to us,
looking at us. I put that light right in his face.

(48:37):
Didn't mean to, but I did. He kind of picked
his hand up a little bit and kind of just
turned his head back away from us and went right
back to doing what he was doing. That's when I
got nervous. Yeah, whatever he had, he wasn't want to leave.
And he was standing in his ground. And I have
my friend's son with me right here, and I leaned

(48:57):
over and told him. I started told him, I said,
started using your way back to the group. I said,
don't run, just to ease your way back in the group.
Ye lowered them my light down where I still had
a light owing, but not directly on. Just keep eye
on him for whatever he may do. And we used
going back to the group, and we shuffled everybody outside
that mountain. That was very nervous time.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Do you think I know this is speculation, but you
know I have to ask questions. Uh, you think you've
been there enough that they realize you're not there to
hurt them.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
Yeah, I think they recognized us.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I believe they recognize us.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I think I think the more stories I hear, the
more uh. You know, we have people in chat that
that have them in their area. You know, we have
a we have greg that Uh that's that's learning how
to deal with them. And he told an amazing story
of the other night. He hasn't told it publicly yet,

(49:53):
but he had something really close to him a couple
of days ago. He smelled it. It was you know,
he knew it was a booger. So he started doing
hand real simple hand signals, just to see if he
can you know, and still don't trust him, but just
to see if he can like keep that peace, you know.
So uh, that's he's come a long ways. A lot

(50:14):
of people you have to adjust. You can start out
with an idea of how these things are what they aren't,
but until you get out there and get a rock
thrown at you, or get that bluff charge or you know,
we we we spoke to one last year and it
kind of gave us that like huff growl, like dang,

(50:35):
y'all you scared, you know what I mean? It wasn't
a threatening Now I have had that threatening sound and
it's time to go but I agree with you. Also,
when you have people with you, it intensifies the situation
because you feel responsible for their safety. And to be
honest with these some of the people that were with
me were better, They could take care of theirself better,

(50:55):
and I could take care of them. It still worries you, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
It really does. At the end of an expedition for us,
once that last fee cranks up, you know and leaves
and we're on our own, we get all packed out,
we get we are spent.

Speaker 6 (51:11):
Yeah, we're done.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Yeah. I didn't think about that, the stress of the worry. Yeah,
But how good is it? How how what kind of
feeling you get when like you have the guy you
talked about earlier that does not believe sees one and
now now what does he do?

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Right? You know, like, yeah, he has no more deniability.
You know. It's a really good feeling, yeah, for us,
you know, And to get the opportunity and just to
have the opportunity to introduce people to this. Even if
we don't see anything all the time. We can't guarantee anything.

(51:56):
We guarantee you two things. We're gonna have a good
time and we're gonna eat Now them two things we
can we can stand.

Speaker 8 (52:03):
Somebody Camp made that comment earlier.

Speaker 6 (52:05):
Actually see.

Speaker 8 (52:09):
It was flat mister flat Rock, which actually he had
a question a minute ago. I'll pop it up. It says, uh,
has there been any more thermal captures in any of
your expeditions?

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (52:21):
Yes, cool. See.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
I try to post a lot of stuff on TikTok
about some stuff I won't just because you know, it's
almost like you want to guard it because if I
promise you, as soon as you post them, you're gonna
have somebody say, hey, that's a bear or you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (52:37):
All the skeptics come out of the work.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
People because I wasn't there, They wasn't there, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, that's that's what I tell people. You know, they
rag you for not getting a clear picture. But to
get any type of pictures hard y'all. I know, if
you ever heard Greg say you know who hear people
say that and say, well, you can go to the
zoom and get all the pretty pictures of a tiger
you want, But if I throw you in the cage
with a tiger, how many pictures.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Are you going to get?

Speaker 3 (53:04):
That's right, that's the perfect way to put it, it is.

Speaker 8 (53:07):
Actually a fantastic analogy.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
One those people are just sitting on the couch, you know,
Monday morning quarterback and what you have, what you went
out in the woods to get it.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
And the other thing too. If you post something on
social media, chances are you're going to see your pictures
again somewhere else on the internet.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
I know. And it happens with everything. It happens with
you know, with the material like that. I haven't have
an issue. It happens with ideas also. But that that's
why for me at first I was like, well, man,
that's that irritates me a little bit. But then I'm going,
you know what, I'm doing this to learn the truth,

(53:51):
get the truth out there. So if people are talking
about it and stuff, that's fine. But if you take
somebody's work that they because people don't realize. I know
people right now that are inventing cameras because of things
we figured out to try to to catch these things
off guard. This stuff is expensive. The thermals are expensive.

(54:14):
You take a jeep and ride back, you know, ten
miles and in low gear that's expensive. They use more gads, right,
So everything cost you and that's Okay, what little I do.
I do it for fun, for my own thing, and
if I happen to catch something, I'll share it. But
you're right, I've seen it. There's people in chat has

(54:36):
had it happen to them, and I don't know if
you know the people that do it understand you know.
All you have to do is say hey, I got
this from or send y'all a message, Hey can I
share this? But give y'all credit. That's all you have
to do, folks.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Exactly. There's you know, there's a lot of pictures that
we have, and we have them in a book and
on our expeditions we passed the book. Let everybody look
at them and all. But those pictures we don't put
on social media, don't. We don't put them out there
for that reason because the next week you're going to
see your pictures cycling the internet.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah, And so y'all that are listening when I say
there are more pictures and video and audio. Case in point,
last week, after the show was over, Amanda and Ashley
and I we were talking to Caine. We got to
see some pretty amazing pictures, did we not? But they didn't.

(55:31):
He didn't send them to us right showed it.

Speaker 8 (55:35):
Was one of those hey, y'all check this out kind
of picture.

Speaker 6 (55:38):
Yeah, it's amazing. Some of the like, well, you know,
let us see their pictures or invite us to their house.
And the things that we're learning here lately.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I mean, it's just been well. Once I think y'all
figured this out. Once people know you're honest, you're not
gonna fake anything, and you're really inner rested, they're glad
to talk to you. They're like, hey, look what I've
had for years here that I don't know who the
guy was that y'all were on the documentary that this

(56:10):
Late Ladies one that Martin Newbill did. I was kind
on the edge of my seat listening to him talk
because of the things that happened. I would say, y'all
need to go check that out. Well, you know what
was the name of that one? Y'all? Remember I had
a long title if I got right if it was,

(56:35):
but it was on the Sawdust Beast channel, right, yes.

Speaker 8 (56:39):
Is it all right? I'll see if I can't find
that real quick and pull it up in the comments
for everybody so they can find it.

Speaker 6 (56:46):
I have to ask him, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (56:48):
We enjoyed doing that one Mark. I mean, we had
a blast doing doing that and giving him the opportunity to,
you know, try to preserve that sit you waiiting down
there in the event he loses it.

Speaker 6 (57:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, We've known about it for a few
years and it was just it was crazy the activity
he was having.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Well, and I enjoyed, you know, like all of it,
but one part, I mean I felt it. I've I've
had a home where I knew where every blade of
grass was, and then you look out and see everybody said, oh,
that's a stump. No, that's not a stump, because that's
where we drive through. I know, I keep that place clean.
And then uh he he looks at it in the eyes,
so to speak, or you know, and it's it's to

(57:38):
hear people.

Speaker 6 (57:38):
Now.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
I love listening to the scientist. I love listening to
the people who do this and document everything. But I
don't I don't everyone to push aside the witness part
of it, because you know, it's it's a scary subject anyway,

(58:01):
and most people that have seen them, I mean, she
will you weren't you weren't thinking about seeing the big
foot that day? If you had if you had been
thinking that you'd had your pistol with you.

Speaker 6 (58:11):
Well, good, I'm sure, I know, I know, right.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
And that's the thing, y'all, we we say stuff like that.
The one of the most intense things ever happened to us.
You know, we set we we set guns down because
we've gotten a situation to where like we don't have anything.
You know, we're not here to hurt you. So yeah,
it can get in. You can get in a mess.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
I think the name of that thing is what if
Sasquatch is real in developers andcroach on Sasquatch habitat.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I knew it was a long one.
So y'all have that's a that's a good question.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
I know.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
I ask people all the time about you know, like
in Alabama, people catch them eating the muscadines and all
that was all the peaches. Do you have a lot
of peaches in North Georgia? Is that more of southern thing?

Speaker 8 (58:56):
More of a Southern thing down you get down to
like in the making middle Ish in South Georgia area
up here, it's definitely apples.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Yeah, because I remember, uh, you know, going to Florida
and coming back, Uh, Heather's from Florida, so we get
to see the real Florida, the farmland and the orange
groves and all that. And coming into Georgia, there's a
in that area. There's a place that sells peaches and
jams and stuff like that. And now I'll stop right

(59:27):
there every time. But yeah, but you think about it.
You know, we have even you know, hunting here Peyton
and I you know, I'm teaching him. He's learned a lot.
But you look for food, you look for the acrons
this time of year, and you look for per simmons.
Do y'all have per simmons down that way? Yeah, y'all

(59:49):
know y'all do have persimmons.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
You know we got those big acorns, scars of them.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Oh yeah, I got hit in the neck. I got
to hit in the neck last Friday. Uh, and I
turned around. I told you, I told my son, I
thought he hit me with it. It hit so hard. But
I'm not saying a bigfoot did it. I'm just saying, yeah,
might hit me that hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah. Our acorns are so big this year. I mean
I'm not exacting. They're not overcut acrons either.

Speaker 8 (01:00:14):
Uh, They're huge this year I've got several oak trees
here in my yard, and like I said, it sounds
like a war's going off whenever they start getting the roof.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Yeah, and you know, I'm sure y'all do that. Like
if you're out with people that you know that hadn't
been hunters and don't don't get outside, you know, if
you hear acrons falling, you can let them know how
to tell. If you're out there and the leaves are
still on the trees and you hear it coming down
hitting the leaves all that and versus seeing something come

(01:00:44):
in at an angle and landing skip, you know. So
that's that It amazes me. I guess I spent so
much time in the woods. There's a lot of stuff
I don't know. But then there's things that I'm like,
how do you not know? You know? But some people,
some people are tunnel visioned and don't use all their senses,

(01:01:07):
you know what I mean. So doing the jobs that
y'all did have done you and you're in a when
you're in a stressful, stressful situation, sometimes you'll get tunnel
vision and you have to train against that and keep
everything going. Your vision, your smell, you're you're hearing and
all that together, and and Sheila, you brought up your

(01:01:30):
gut feeling, your instinct too, so I think, you know.
At first, I was like, why don't we see so
many former cops doing this? And what little taste I
got of it? First? The first answer might be because
you need a place to forget about everything else, get
out in the woods or whatever. And then something happens

(01:01:52):
to you and you're you're curious, So.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
You know, I'm never I know, I'm never gonna have
answer to everything. But keeps keeps driving us.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
It does? It really does? I mean, and I know
it's an age I'll saying, but once you think you
figure one thing out, that'll cause you to have about
five more questions. Yeah, yes, but that was my question.

Speaker 8 (01:02:14):
I was going to ask, is has y'all's opinions on
what these things are now? That has that ever changed
from the very beginning? Yes, it kind of remained the same.

Speaker 6 (01:02:25):
It has changed because once we started, we thought, Okay,
it's just it's just an animal, it's just an ape,
it's flesh and blood, blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
You know, but the.

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
Things we've seen, there's so much more to it. I mean,
there's got to be some kind of you know, wove
to it. I mean, you follow tracks and they disappear
where they.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Go, and they disappear in an area where the trees
aren't big enough to support something form going up in trees, right.

Speaker 6 (01:02:53):
But I wanted to tell y'all if see if any
of your viewers have had this happen. We were camping
a couple of weeks ago and we had to high
into this area. And this is the first time we've
ever had this happen. We I don't recommend sleeping in
hammicks at. I'll just go ahead and hammocks. Oh yeah, horrible.
But the second night, and I'm telling you, there was

(01:03:15):
nobody around, uh Scott, I an Haley got uh woke
up by like a humming almost like what I say,
Uh yeah, a drone the humming noise, And I woke
up and I look and I was like, I know that's
not our cell phones and nobody else had any equipment
a lot of that running. But we had somebody ask us,
like a week or two before that, had we ever

(01:03:37):
heard humming that's being reported lately?

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
I've actually heard that. Hold on, let me try to
think of what the guy he's out in California. He's
been on a feud. I think we have him coming
on later. Uh, but he's he's he's out there in
humbold County and uh Bluff Creek and all that. And
he made a comment they call that the hum boat
hum because they hurt. Hear that quite a bit. I like,

(01:04:05):
I don't know what it could be, but look, you
go into this, you go outside, you're outside at midnight, one,
two or three o'clock in the morning. There's things that
are happening out there, whether it's natural from the you know,
from the land and the water and the energy coming
off of that. But there's there's definitely things and it
may be normal. We just we just lost that knowledge.

(01:04:28):
But that's that's good. Yes, if anybody heard that or
kind of knows what it is.

Speaker 8 (01:04:34):
I've heard people mention like an electrical type noise along
with like grinding or metal scraping and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
So this is like if you've ever never deer hunted,
like on a power line, and you know, early in
the morning, when it's still the dudes falling there and
you hear that buzz sound of those power lines, it's
almost kind of like that not quite.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Bigfoot dwarf if you ever see him in chat I
know his real name, but I'm not going to say that.
But you've see him in some documentaries and from from
out west. But uh, there's a lot of people like
uh like this comment right here. Remember the pick couple
reported the rattlesnake bumblebee sound the big foot mate, that's uh.
And then Kenny here h David Ellis is doing a

(01:05:23):
study on the humming once. That's why we need to
talk to each other.

Speaker 8 (01:05:29):
Because he's heard it three times.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
That might be something you think may not be related,
and it might not be, but it may be something
about the area that maybe draws them in. You know,
it may be something natural. So yeah, I mean used
to if we were having this conversation six years ago.
I say this all the time, maybe like what what?

(01:05:55):
But we've heard enough stuff now the metallic sound. There's
a there's a spot that we go to and we've
walked all over it. We know where the fence lines are,
we know who has what, and we hear what sounds
like a log chain slapping a gate, like a metal gate,

(01:06:17):
and you can it's it's best I can explain it
and it's yes, and you can tell it, you know,
so you know what I know, I know you've heard this.
You might never thought about it. You know on a
windy day when a flag pole when the wire slaps
the pole a little bit and makes that team it's
it's similar to that. Uh, it's not all the time. Uh,

(01:06:41):
it's it's it's in the it's in the cooler part
of the year. Interesting, you know what. That's a good question?

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Is question?

Speaker 8 (01:06:49):
That is a good one. Yeah, I just pulled this
up so for the audio listeners, this comment says, could
that buzz be related to courts? And I know that
we've had that conversation before about courts with other stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Roger m hm, yep.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
I know sports around the house and where we go
up and up in the mountains here.

Speaker 8 (01:07:08):
But here is just completely inundated with quartz.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Around like around our house. You know, we've had things
happen around here that's involved quartz rocks at our motion
detector lights. You know how when you eat each your
yard and everything, you know what's in your yard, especially
if you weeded it, and I had already weeded it.
This yard probably a week before this happened. And we

(01:07:36):
have a path that goes down to our creek and
it's about a hundred foot dropped down in there, and
she likes to call it the pet Cemetery path.

Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
It's real creepy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
It's creepy. But we were walking. I was walking around
back there and I saw these two quartz rocks, not
quite the size of a baseball, about three foot apart,
just sitting there. And I'm like, I know those rocks
weren't there. So I showed them to her, and we're
looking at it. We're looking at the lights on the house.
And that afternoon or that evening, we walked down a

(01:08:03):
little path a little ways and waited for dusk to come,
about the time we knew those lights would activate. I
start walking. She's watching and I start walking back ups.
Soon as I get those rocks, lights come on. As
soon as I got to them, I picked the rocks up,
kepting about the same dispart, moving forward towards the house

(01:08:24):
about three feet. I lay there all night that night
waiting for them lights to come on. They never did,
but they did the second night.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
But you're trying, that's funny. You're trying to trick the
yeah whatever put yeah that as a marker. That's cool.
I don't know if it was y'all or maybe the
guy that was on that documentary. Uh, when he was
talking about putting some bad out kind of sort of
and he talked about clearing the ground around it. I
had done that before, because it's just I'm like, oh cool,

(01:08:53):
So he you know, he's done stuff too that you
try to catch something stepping in to get you know,
your treat that you I have a somebody said something
about that. Maybe there's there's somehow using MF in some capacity. Okay,
so y'all, y'all know where Holland is at right. Holland's
under Camp, South Alabama. The last time we were there

(01:09:13):
when we caught the ORB. Harley when he first got there,
got his EMF reader out to take a baseline reading.
It was double what his spot in East Tennessee is.
He said, Wow, this is this is like a spike
here where I'm from. And of course we had courts everywhere,

(01:09:34):
you know, it's all over the top of the ground,
under the ground, and when everything started happening, he was
taking readings and it doubled from that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
So in the eighties right now.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
And I don't know anything about MF, but I know
he was surprised at the at the baseline reading and
he went all over and he said, that's pretty consistent.
I was watching the numbers and I didn't see him
do it, but he said while I was filming it,
cussing because I was scared that he was. He had
the e MF thing out and it had it doubled

(01:10:06):
from that, so it was around the seventy to eighty range.
So you're talking about energy. Maybe it is. I talked
to a gentleman about the waterfalls and the negative ions
and stuff like that, and the quartz. It was. It

(01:10:26):
was over my head, but maybe that is something that
we need to look into.

Speaker 6 (01:10:33):
I believe there's some kind of connection.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
I mean, it's just I really do. Because you know,
the two rocks I was talking about there behind the house.
We've had quartz rocks left up front of the house
for us.

Speaker 6 (01:10:46):
Yeah, they've been left by the front steps, big quartz, right,
And I knew that rock wasn't there, you know, because
it was distinctive. It was a big quartz, right. I
would have remembered that. And I walked out and I
looked at him. I said, did you leave that there?
It's weird the stuff I mean running back from the
pit cemetery path beside the house, slapping the gas tank,

(01:11:07):
hitting the meter box.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Yeah. We could never figure the meter box out because
before we put the motion detector lights up, we just
get inside of the house slapped. The gas tank will
get slapped. And they love that meter box on the
back of our house for some reason. I was talking
to a gentleman about it one time and he says, well,
do you have that kind of meter they have to
come out and read still or is it one that

(01:11:29):
they can read from the electric place. I said, it's
one they can read from the electric place. He said
it gives off a frequency, and I had never thought
about that, and that makes sense once he said that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Well, Spencer almost didn't get to do the show because
Spencer and I gotten a deep conversation for us just
before the show, and that's what we were talking about.
I don't know if some of y'all know Bob Dall
and the chat. He has a show that CAFFEINETI crypted
and we were just talking one night, uh not on

(01:12:02):
not on alive or anything like that, and I was
just wondering, what the because the two places we go here,
there's absolutely no cell phone coverage at all, And I
wonder what the map with no cell phone coverage and
the bigfoot sightings and all that, And he did. He
laid it over it, and he said, oh my god.
Now I do know that all those are rural places, right, so,

(01:12:27):
but for the bigfoot sightings to kind of line up
with it, I jokingly said, huh, I wonder if the
cell phone towers kind of messed with their vibration or
energy or whatever. I don't I don't know, but that's
something keep in your back pocket, right.

Speaker 8 (01:12:46):
It wouldn't surprise me at all because there's so much
talk in other circles, you know, and the more supernatural
WU tinfoil hat kind of stuff about you know, electromatic frequencies.
You know that's three G and four G, five G.
You know, cell phone towers can affect us and other

(01:13:06):
animals like birds and things like that. So it wouldn't
surprise me at all if those things the towers affected
boogers as well.

Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
I hadn't thought about that, but that's very good point.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Well, that's that's why, like I'm one of those people.
If we're having a round table, so to speak, around
the fire, I'll say something dum it comes to my mind.
I'll say it even if it's dumb, because it may
trigger a good idea, you know. So that's kind of
what I was doing. And then and then he comes
out and starts showing me hard data like oh my god,
it lines up almost perfectly. And I'm like, okay, so

(01:13:42):
why would that be. What's what's what possible? You know,
what could do that? So, man, I was going to
say something, and I forgot it was something Scott brought up.
Oh about the electric lines. If any of you've ever
been under one of the tower or even getting close
and you hear that home, you can feel it. Your

(01:14:04):
hairs stand up, you know, you can feel that energy.
I'm scared of electricity.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
That's why I That's why I mentioned about like deer
hunting out there on the morning when the dew is
still there. Uh huh, the dew is on the line,
you can feel it. Yes, yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Had old man used to climb up to the first
uh crossbeam there. I said, you're you're you're no way
I'm trusting this. But that's interesting too, because maybe some
energies they may like. Now we're speculating, y'all. So the

(01:14:45):
one reason I feel like they travel uh train tracks
and and the power lines is because the clear path
out in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
That's as simple as you can get right there if
we wanted to get well, you watch Walking Dead. They
use the train tracks when they again, you know, if
you want to stay and you can be hidden in
just a few feet unless you get caught them in
where there's you know, bluffs. But so that to me, uh,
it's you know, kind of no brainer. But what if

(01:15:15):
what if the energy has something to do with it too?
What if they've now we're getting out there, uh what
they feed off of it a little bit?

Speaker 6 (01:15:23):
That's what I was thinking they were using the energy
from quartz rocks somehow. I mean, that's that's what I
had thought about the power lines or everything.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Well, we've got some people in chat talk about what
if they can use a frequency to uh to affect you,
so our body, our body, we know. I think it
was Chris earlier was talking about the four thirty two.
The four thirty two is UH as a healing frequency.
If I'm not mistaken. And so another thing we have researchers.

(01:15:54):
Now he's probably going to I'm not going to say
his name. He probably kicked me in the rear end
for saying this. But David, they've experimented with mus that
are you know, like some of them are four forty
and then the others are four thirty two. And when
I looked at the list of four thirty two frequencies,
it's like a it's like a playlist for my life,
songs that I absolutely love and and this four forty

(01:16:15):
is a little different. And he said, you know, they
don't like led Zeppelin.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
So wait a minute, I could taste it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Let me let me tell y'all. I think led Zeppelin
they're they're they're they've got good music and all that.
But I've always been creeped out by it. It's almost
like you're listening to a scary movie. Almost like it's
like it puts it puts me back into like times
where there's gestures and kings and some of them with
the music, and I don't like that, so I kind

(01:16:49):
of shy away from it a little bit. I'm not
saying they're not good, and maybe it's something with me
that I was reject rejecting that whatever frequency. I don't know.
But here's the problem. Here's here's what it does to you. Y'all.
Y'all had jobs where you had to be everything had
to be A and then B and C and the

(01:17:11):
D and it had to be all lined up and
had to be done a certain way because you didn't
want to mess it up. And now you get out
here and have these experiences and then you have to question, like, well,
what causes this orb or this this sound or whatever.
I don't think it's a bad thing because when we
start digging, we learn more about ourselves and more about nature,

(01:17:34):
and that helps everything. So that's just my two cents.

Speaker 6 (01:17:38):
What does snip Until you know you have no more
deniability than everything you thought you knew had figured out,
you just throw that out the wind. Yeah, when grandma
said boogers ain't real?

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
I know. And you know, so what did y'all have
any let local legends from where you grew up when
you were young. Did some of the older people ever mention, well.

Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
I'm from South Georgia, he's from Florida. You know, I've
heard my grandma say that thousand times about being inside
before the lights come on outside, you know, the figgers
to get you and all that stuff. But you know,
I never thought she was talking about big food. I
don't know what she was talking about, but I mean,
I know what I've seen now. I know that part's real.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Right when I was, when I was really young, down
in a little place we used to go to call
Old Town, Florida. Some people may know where that's at.
It's a pretty swampy region there in areas of it.
You'd hear the old timers down there talk about they
call them wood apes. They talking about, you know, going
out back to relieve theirselves or something like that. And

(01:18:48):
the wood apes is out there. Well, I was a
young and at the time, you know, I figured it
was something pulling your leg about to keep the young'uns
from straying off or anything like that. And they're paying
that till now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
And right now there areas that we grew up in.
All of us sitting here are more populated. I don't
think people. I remember my dad pulled up at the
edge of Louisbourg. We were coming from Morrisville. It's five
miles difference. We pulled up. There's all we didn't have
a water tower. We had a water tank to sit

(01:19:21):
down in a hole, and he said he pulled over.
I don't know why he did it. He said, Roger,
look at those hills. Look at all of those woods,
all these woods. You can see one of these days
when I'm gone, that's gonna be all houses or businesses
or whatever. And I was, you know, six or seven
years old. I'm like, uh uh, Now now it's it's everywhere.

(01:19:43):
So so we talk about why the sightings are going up.
I know one of one reason is because we're more
comfortable talking about it, or we found our people. Like right,
if I run up on y'all somewhere in Arizon, I'm
gonna be like, hey, y'all, y'all want to hang out,
you want to go. It ain't necessarily got to be

(01:20:04):
about Bigfoot, but I know we have something in common.
So it's a trust thing. Right. So that we have
a situation here where Adam got stopped in the early
eighties and they took all this land from all these people.
They would have been multi multi millionaires today if the
family farms just stayed together and they were going to

(01:20:25):
build the builders down and then flood this land for progress,
for water supply, for recreation and all that. Well, the
second Bigfoot I ever saw was in that land preserved
because they shut the dam down over the snail darter supposedly,
now they're wanting to get it back up and they're
fighting them. They don't, you know, the powers that be

(01:20:47):
don't want it. It's your Gnalli land preserved in Murray
County and it touches Marshall County and Giles, I believe
Giles about I don't how many thousand acres it is,
but you know, I went, you know what, thirty something
years before I ever saw another one, and it was

(01:21:08):
just by chance. But she was down in this swag.
And when I say she, she looked pregnant. And she
was blacker than black domed head, gray face, great great
other parts. Right, So I'm stunned. I'm probably more stunned
than anybody that's never seen one, because I never thought

(01:21:28):
it would happen again. And then I got to thinking
about it, if they flood all of this area I've took,
I've taken so many reports from you, Nali Lamb Preserve.
It hit me, where are they going to go? They're
going to go somewhere and if that happens, I expect
the sightings the reports to go up. I will keep

(01:21:51):
everybody updated on that. I don't think they'll finish it.
And now with the conspiracy side of it, like it
wasn't a snail durder or law they found the they
found the book. They didn't want boggers on the square
in Columbia, That's what it was. I'm being funny, but
you know, so when the habitat goes away, I know y'all.

(01:22:17):
You know, Amanda and y'all have some awesome habitat. I
mean the the I could not keep my eyes on
the road because we saw a movie it's called Blue
Ridge and it's not a really good movie, but that
it was filmed in like October. I googled it and

(01:22:37):
then it was during COVID and also we went down
there just to see. And I don't know of many
other places that set up perfect with the water and
the ridges and everything that y'all have.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
So beautiful. It really is.

Speaker 8 (01:22:54):
They call it God's Country for a reason.

Speaker 6 (01:22:56):
Yeah, but we do have a lot of people moving
in the lot, I guess trying to get out of
the cities or Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
So I used to work with. They say, well, how
do you like living up there? And first thing I
tell them, I said, well, we're full, you know. I said, well,
you know this is where we used to vacation at
this part of the country all the time. And I said,
you know, it's kind of hard to be living where
you always vacation at. Yeah for us, Now for us

(01:23:24):
to vacation, we got to yeah, we don't want.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
So Okay, you almost said something earlier in the show.
You talked about other things? What other things are you
talking about? You were talking about bigfoot and awe and
you said you experienced other things. Were you talking about
the sound or is there something else? Y'all? I think
you might have run up on just.

Speaker 6 (01:23:50):
Paranormal stuff when and then you know, in that time
I seen a dog man.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
Well pulish spencer hold up the floor is yours? I
did not know this, y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:24:08):
So well, you know when I decided what I wanted
to be when I grew up, that became a hospice
nurse after law enforcement. My dad had cancer and you know,
hospice coming and took care of us, and I said,
I want to go do that, so I did. So
we had a patient out when I was at one
night ten thirty heat passed and I was close to

(01:24:30):
Brastown Ball and you know where I'm talking about, Amanda, Yeah,
And I had that high rise jeep and I was
on my way home, and all I could think about,
you know, the deer are awful up here, awful, awful.

Speaker 8 (01:24:42):
On that dark especially right now too, yes, on that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
Dark, black highway, and so him scanning the road, you know,
and then from my left something moves, I mean just
it happened so fast from my left, and then it
was in the middle on the yellow line. It was
on all fours. This thing was huge, and it was
like blacker than the night, that makes any sense, But
it looked to me like the outline I saw like

(01:25:08):
a huge, huge canine, like a no German shepherd, German shepherd.
It hit that middle line and then there was ridge
on the other side of the road that like a
forty five degree angle. It stuck that thing about middle
ways up and it went up so fast, and all
I could think about was every dog man werewolf story

(01:25:31):
i'd ever heard, how they tried to wreck you, try
to cause you to stop. Now, that's probably my second
most scary account, and I had no signal. I mean,
I had the thing. I mean, I was flying trying
to get a signal. I called Scott and told him
what had happened, you know, and I took him back
to that location the next day, the exact location, and

(01:25:53):
we found these huge prints where it went right yea.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
She got me back over there and told me it
happened right here, and she said it hit right there,
and you can see the marks in the side of
that ridge from the road. We get over there to it,
and I've seen wolf tracks, and these K nine tracks
were the biggest K nine tracks I've ever seen. I mean,
they were absolutely huge, but they were shape funny. Whether

(01:26:21):
center pad was or should have been the normal center
pad was elongated to a hill, to a point, and
it got narrower and narrow as it went down. When
I was looking at that, I said, well, that's just
where his taul hit, you know, in the back of
his knee, and he drug it when he went up.
I get up to the next one, and she was

(01:26:41):
telling me, don't crawl up there, and naturally I crawl
on up there, and that's when I get to it's
the same way. And when I get to the top
of the ridge. Right there, it's sand but it's hard
packed and the tracks were the same right through there.
There wasn't enough sand up there to be able to
cast anything. But I I wish I had took better pictures.

Speaker 6 (01:27:02):
We've got pictures now. I don't know. I don't know
if it was a dog man. I don't know if
it was a whereof it could have been a dire wolf.
I know it wasn't no bear.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Yeah, those weren't means.

Speaker 8 (01:27:14):
If you had to guess visualize how big can you
make a description of how long that footprint was?

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Probably you have to show him for your hand up.

Speaker 8 (01:27:34):
Do you remember how many toes it had?

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Four?

Speaker 6 (01:27:38):
Okay pictures, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
I from TikTok We we've recently been. We have a
guest coming on later in a month or whatever. And
she sent us pictures and then I sent him to
Kombo and he was like those are dog man. He said,
it's not a it's like a juvenile. But it's kind
of it's kind of odd. I know in uh l
b O and Red all y'all know where that's at.

(01:28:02):
When I found all those tracks that day, the first
track I found on the way out there was, like
you said, the biggest canine track I've ever seen in
my life. I always tell people, you know, an eight
inch iron skillet for cornbread, and I understand the mud
and everything, but there was a pendage coming off the
back of it that didn't make sense. And so this

(01:28:22):
has already got me like scared because I'm out here
by myself, you know, eighty yards from the truck, you know.
So that's what got me juiced up first. And I'm like,
you can hear me on the video. It's so stupid,
like people, why didn't you get a picture of it?
Or why anty? And I'm like, I don't know. I
was scared, and you can hear me say, oh, do

(01:28:43):
they have wolves here? And the next year is when
I saw the big white wolf. And when you try
to tell people one hundred and fifteen hundred and seventy
five pounds, that's a massive dog. But any but anyway,
I don't want, Oh, lord y'all, I didn't want to
believe that stuff. More evidence. We see, all right, we

(01:29:08):
know it's not a bigfoot, right, what is it? And
you know y'all got we got hell Ben holler in here.
It's probably Joe. I'm thinking, I don't know, it might
be Jesse, but they've they've been the l b O
more than I have for sure. Yeah, the man, I'm

(01:29:29):
telling you it was huge. It's yeah. That see. That's
the thing even with this with a I say this
a lot when you find tracks. When you when you
hear something, you know it's the size. That's what what
gives it away. You can hear something big regular walking

(01:29:54):
when you you know, Scott could come walking up a trail,
I mean not hear him, but a bigfoot comes walking
up at the same trail behind, I'm going to hear
the foot hitting the ground and that's scary.

Speaker 6 (01:30:04):
That's that's the best thing. That's my most favorite thing.
We're camping. I'm telling you we've done quiet event of
tent camping. But the first time I ever heard that.
It'll wake you up from a dead sleep. You know,
just my eyes wide because you hear boom. It's the percussion.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
And when people on chat they were wondering because somebody
said that must have been huge. That jeep she had
was running on thirty five inch tires with a four
inch left forward or jail jeep. So it was pretty high.

Speaker 6 (01:30:39):
I couldn't get in.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
You had to have steps get it.

Speaker 8 (01:30:47):
What about the opposite guys. Have y'all ever had an
activity or one sneak up on you without any making
any sound? Because I hear that, And that's another thing.

Speaker 6 (01:30:57):
How do they do that? How did they turn that
off and on? Where did the sound go? Yeah? The smell?
Why didn't I smell anything that day? I've seen one bit.
Other times we've smelled stuff so bad it we just
make your eyes of water.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
That's what Greg was talking about this weekend. He said
he was sitting still over there and they were doing
some bush hogging. He was inside the truck. He said,
the stinch come in the truck and had the classic
booger smell, and he said, he said it was so
bad his eyes was watered. Yeah, that's strong.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Talking about, you know, something slipping up on you like that.
We had a group out one evening and that particularly
evening round there is probably the best sleep I've ever
had in the woods because I was so tired. When
we finally got back. I went at the top of
that mountain like what three times something like that. We
run into that smell going up the trail with a

(01:31:50):
hiking group and we get up there the first time.
We've got a gentleman with us, and he's actually part
of our team now. But he was out like with
everyone else, you know, glassing around with thermals and night
vision things like that, and he got popped on the leg. Well.
I had been up this area the day before, and

(01:32:12):
where he was standing at there was a game trail
right there, typical game trail foot and half wide, vegetation
on each side, about three foot tall, you know, nothing
out of the ordinary, but that's where he was standing.
And I was about fifteen yards away from him, and
he got popped loud enough I could hear it.

Speaker 8 (01:32:30):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
And when he got popped, he spun around. My immediate reaction,
I thought he was a snake pit. I mean the
way he spun around and the loudness of it. And
I get to him. We pulled the bridge's leg up.
Make sure you don't have a snake mark mark on him,

(01:32:52):
and he doesn't. And I'm thinking myself, durn, that was
a loud pop. I'm thinking this to myself and ease
of her where he was at, I was really hoping
he stepped on a limb or something that flipped. N't
h There wasn't any sticks and any limbs over there,
no rocks right there, nothing got thrown in hitt him
or anything. And I happened to look over at that
game trail and all the vegetation on both sides of

(01:33:13):
this game trail, for a foot and a half on
each side, are is pressed to the ground for ast
far off that ridge as I could live with a
with a good headlamp. And that's when I made that decision,
you know, let's ease everybody off this right here, because
that particular evening we had already saw one across the
way from us through thermal. Matter of fact, the guy

(01:33:36):
that's in the picture behind you lit flaglight. He was
the one that saw it standing out there through thermo. Yeah,
that was that's his first first. He had no more deniability.
He was so quiet that night. I asked him, why
are you so quiet?

Speaker 6 (01:33:49):
Afterwards he said, I'm just trying to absorb everything.

Speaker 8 (01:33:53):
It it's literally a life changing thing, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
It really is. And we had smelled smells in three
different areas I think it's three different areas on the
way up, and you would run into that smell. It
was like you run into a wall and it was gone,
you know, not like a skunk smell or anything like
that where he lingers for yards and yards and yards.
This was you run into it. It was right there,

(01:34:20):
three feet You're out of it. You don't smell no more. Yeah.
On our way back the second time we run into
the smell, I got to mark in the spots where
at this particular that's where we smell the smell. That
group come down the We run into the same amount
of smells, but they were in different locations. We think

(01:34:40):
it was crossing behind us, and h get we get
back down. Everybody's telling them about the smells and everything
that they they just didn't have the opportunity to encounter. Well.
I wound up going back up on the top of that
mountain two more times with different groups. Everybody could smell
that smell and uh, sneel is safe. When I got
back that night, I bet it down pretty good.

Speaker 8 (01:35:04):
Out.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
I wonder, you know, if if you know how you
cook in the in the home, and that your grease
to get up on some things on the shelves and
all that. I wonder if there's some kind of pilter
you could carry with you to I know this sounds stupid,
but to capture whatever it is in the air that
makes that smell.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
I don't know, but that's one of those smells right there.
I just don't want to drag around with you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
I've heard I had. I had something go behind me
one morning it's still dark. The wind was hit me
in the back of the head and we were there hunting.
I was down in the swag. I figured nothing could
get to me there without me knowing it. And like
Sheila said, it was It took me a second to
realize it was moving because it wasn't there for thirty minutes.

(01:35:53):
All of a sudden, it's there for a few seconds
and then it's gone. And I'm thinking, man, I don't
sit down in front of a dead cow or something.
But the difference was it when people talk about a
death smell, it didn't smell like death to me. It
smelled like something that had hair and it was hadn't
been washed. It was decay in under it like that,

(01:36:13):
you know what I mean. I don't know if y'all
ever smelled that, uh, And it was different. Some people
smell a sulfrey smell with it. I that's what when
I always say use all your senses. And I got
on the radio and told my son, I said, you've
got something moving to you and it stinks to I have,
and so be you know, be careful.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
But wow. Yeah, that the difference man, you know in
that smell that's associated with these things. You know, my
personal believer is I believe that they can admit it
when they want to.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
M hm, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
I can't swear to that, but I believe that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
Well, you know, from hunting, a lot of your pungent
smells come from glands and uh, you know you're animals
that can produce smells to run you off. That's that's
what it is. Uh. And then like you know the
you know people in chat that may not ever hunt it.

(01:37:14):
If if Scott and I were hunting somewhere and the
wind was coming to us and a doe walked by,
we probably and we didn't see it, we probably could
tell you it was a dough. But if old buck and
rut comes by, we're gonna say, you know, you know it,
it's a different smell, and it's similar to a cow
it's but it's not as strong it's stronger than you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
Know, if he's in ruttive, that's like an old barho.
You know, one of them things are they're ru.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
I don't be. After I saw what Billy goes do,
I don't even be in the.

Speaker 8 (01:37:51):
Smelliest things.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
I figured out how.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
They got this smell.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
And I'm like, so, y'all, I don't want to keep
y'all too long, but I want to. I want to
show a few pictures here. I definitely want to show
people your business. And you know that kind of got started.

(01:38:20):
You know, I was watching the documentary y'all were talking
about it, and I know, Scott, you know, you retired
and you wanted to do the fly fishing thing. So
so did the encounters that you were having while fly
fishing kind of spur this idea?

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
No, not, while I what spurred this idea was really
she she wanted to go off on these expeditions. I
mean I joke about it and say, you know, she
drug me into this, and she literally did. But so
I agreed to go with her on that first one.
You know, I think myself, you know, happy wife, happy

(01:38:59):
husban agree and you can tell Facto was't missed. No meal.
So I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
That's the number one rule.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
But you know, I went off with her on that,
and uh, I'm glad I did because we got to
hear some things and see some things that made me
open my eyes and say, you know, they might be
a little something to this. And we continued on with it.
A little bit more of that track right there was
awesome find. But we continued on with this right here,

(01:39:32):
and we've done a lot more things with it, and
we've seen how in the directions some of the things
were going what we were doing. And we sit back
and we talked, talked it over and said, you know,
we could actually do this and make it where it's
affordable that anybody that wants to do it could do it.
So and we did. We crunched numbers and we got

(01:39:54):
it all worked down to where, you know, anybody that
wants to cant. And I've been in the fly fishing
game for a pretty good while and I started guiding
fly fishing, and we got to thinking about we wanted
to kind of incorporate those two together, you know, to
do something. And uh so then comes the thing of
naming it. Sheila spends around and said, said, let's just

(01:40:17):
call it squatch fishing outfitters right off the bat. Now
that's how, that's how the name and all stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:40:23):
We had to get a permit, so just get one.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
Yeah, right there you go, smart, very smart thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
But then, and that's the story within itself getting it
took us a year.

Speaker 6 (01:40:36):
And a half to finally get permits, and we just
figured we'd be laughed out of the office. You know,
when Scott wind telling them what we.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Wanted permits for, they want to smile in the room.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
Nobody they just said, okay, if that's what you want
to do. Yeah, they probably talked about you when you left.
That's what happens in small towns, goes. But but you're crazy.
It's surprising how sometimes you know there may be one

(01:41:08):
or two people in that office and may come to
you later and like, I didn't say nothing, but you
know what this happened to us. So so y'all, I'm
sure you wear your merch with your name on it
and squatch fishing and all that. Uh, what how many
stories have you heard just for people approaching and asking

(01:41:30):
about it?

Speaker 6 (01:41:31):
Oh, I've heard. I've heard stories like being a hospice nurse,
people telling me their deathbed stories. I thought, you know,
I think that's the most awesome thing. They wouldn't tell
anybody else. But once they find out from somebody else
what you do, you know, they get so excited to
tell you. And then, like I said, we've run into
people and stores and so you don't really believe in
big food, y'all crazy. Give them about five minutes and

(01:41:53):
they go, well, you know this one time, and that's
how it starts.

Speaker 8 (01:41:58):
It always starts like.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
A lot more than you think.

Speaker 3 (01:42:03):
Well, and a lot of us, you know, are my
age and a little older, a little younger. We grew
up not talking about it, so it's it's kind of tough.
I have mentioned it or people have asked me about it,
and I see the looks, the sideways looks. But if
I'm talking to somebody that's got a good story, I
don't care. I'll sit there and listen to it, or like, hey,

(01:42:25):
let's go over here and I tell Amanda and Ashley
and people, you know, the young people all the time.
Y'all have it so much better than we did because
it's it's you know, I know, early on it wasn't
it wasn't easy to talk about. But you know, with
my son. My son has had a lot of stuff happen,
you know, even when I hadn't been there, But he

(01:42:46):
doesn't talk about it, and it's he's not that type
of person. If we sat down at the table, he
would tell you. He'll get on a show every now
and then, but he doesn't care about He told me,
he said that the stuff that's happened to us while
we've been together, I know they're real. He said, I
want to see one one time, and I don't want

(01:43:06):
to hear about them ever the rest of my life.
He said, I just want that one confirmation and then
I'm done with it. Been several times, he said, I'm
not going back there with you again.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
So may our kids thought we were absolutely no storn
crazy nuts, But after they've been up here.

Speaker 6 (01:43:25):
They won't go outside.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
I won't go outside anymore.

Speaker 8 (01:43:30):
They don't think you're too crazy more.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
No, they're not crazy now.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
Probably the best one for me was my baby brother.
He asked me about and he said, now, Scottie, he says,
you are a military trained, retired law enforcement all three.
He said, you mean to tell me you believe in
this stuff? And I told him, I said, you know, yes,
I do. You know, I've actually seen them. He come
spent the weekend with us up here one time, one weekend,

(01:43:57):
and he left here. He's a believer now out of
nowhere he hasn't seen one, but he's hurt them. Yeah,
and that changed his whole attitude.

Speaker 6 (01:44:07):
The activity will pick up around here when when the
grand kids come. I don't know why, but it it'll
pick up.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
That's I know. People, you know, they want they want
hard evidends and they want and I understand that, but
you know, I wanted to do this show to learn
more and talk to people, and and for the new
people that are coming in. I want to say this
again again, we're so far past are they real? Because

(01:44:38):
everybody I have on and and and we have on
in the future have had either terrifying experiences or they
live in an area with them. You know, we're it's
and and we're not. I mean, it's one of the
hardest things to do. I mean, if you told me
to go take pictures of something and idaho that that's rare,

(01:45:03):
It's gonna be hard. The equipment is expensive. The people
that want us to go get loans at the bank
to buy this expensive equipment just to get a picture
that they'll believe. I don't feel like I owe that
person anything. The person that wants to get in and
help me and say, hey, let's let's go do this.

(01:45:23):
I have something on my place, let's let's let's let's
look at it. You tell me what you might be.
That's okay, but I feel sorry. I kind of envy
the ones that don't know, and I kind of feel
sorry for them also because when it does it, it's gonna
be Yeah, it's gonna be traumatic, even though they don't

(01:45:46):
know it. It's gonna be traumatic when somebody they trust,
whether it's some kind of organization that says it and
they have pictures or they're the oh we've known for
one hundred years or two hundred years. Just think of
the trauma that they're going to go through because this
monster in their mind just became real. So I always say,

(01:46:06):
it's going to be people like y'all, people like us,
people like in a chat that's going to have to
help those people when it does come right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Yeah, And that's like with us, we're not out to
try to prove anything that something's real that we already
know is real or anything like that. We mainly do
all this for our own selves. We do for a question.

Speaker 6 (01:46:28):
When we started, we knew we were looking for answers,
but we wanted to help people that had questions like
us and that wanted to be with a like minded group,
you know, that they could talk freely. Because when we
get around the campfire and people start talking is awesome.
I mean that all these questions, you know, or somebody's
seen this, and somebody's seen that, that's the best time.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
And then you get to hear everybody's theories too.

Speaker 6 (01:46:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Well, and I saw a question on I try to
follow a lot of Facebook bigfoot pages and stuff, and
I saw a question a couple of days ago. This
lady asked, are there any Bigfoot support groups? And I'm
thinking that's kind of what we are. Yeah, you know,
I didn't want to get involved in the conversation, but

(01:47:13):
there are a lot of people, and you know, I
know people personally that's been with us that had some
scary stuff happened. Absolutely would not talk about it, would
not admit to it. But if the LBL trip that
y'all were at that we were at, my son's girlfriend
at the time, would not talk about it. But when
she was there around all the people that believed she

(01:47:36):
It came out and she started blabbing to Spencer and
she was it was just purging out and she was
going through it, and we were looking at each other,
and I told him later, I said, I can't get
her to talk about it. That was amazing, but she
was there, nobody was going to judge her. She said
it was absolutely the loudest and scariest sound ever heard,

(01:47:58):
and it jumped out by behind us. We heard it
behind us, and of course she ran to the truck
and locked Payton out. So that's why I tell everybody
cared another set of keys or another so she wouldn't
go back with us, and she heard other things. But
the point I'm getting to is the setting, Like you said,
the setting the like minded people. People will talk about

(01:48:21):
more way more than will when you put a camera
in their face. So I think part of what you
are doing, it probably wasn't planned on, but it's a
good thing. It's a good side effect of what you're doing.
I feel like the shows are I feel like us
getting together and talk like we're talking calmly, and people like,

(01:48:42):
well you just saw bigfoot and you were so calm. Well,
you're not calm at the time. That's what one of
my former deputy friends. Somebody scared him with a rubber
snake inside the book that they booked in the you
know people coming in. It was pretty big, big and gray,
you know, log book. And when he opened I didn't

(01:49:02):
know he was so afraid of snake, and when he
turned green immediately, and then he just stood there looking
at the snake. Then all of a sudden, I don't
know the layed reaction, fifteen seconds, he starts running backwards
and goes out and falls down the steps and out
the door, and everybody left laughing, left me with him.
He's mad, and I'm like, Troy, I said, you know, man,
I thought you died of a heart attack and you

(01:49:23):
were sitting still. He said, oh, trust me, I was
running like hell inside. Yeah, you know, and I'm not
going to say that I might have put that in there,
but they tricked me because I was young, and they're like,
hey put that. I didn't know, so but yeah, thanks
for thanks for coming and having to sit down because

(01:49:44):
we always talk about Amanda and Ashley and I are
like we want to do this, Like we're sitting on
the porch talking. Don't you don't have no power technics.
We've got a pyromedic in here in the chat. But
I think people need to see, uh that calmness and
just the facts. I mean, this is what we've done.

(01:50:06):
I don't care if you believe me or not. But
if you're somebody that that's in chat and Scott and
Sheila told a story tonight, or you're in their air,
reach out to them.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Uh yeah, please because if anybody's got you around our
air anywhere, they have a story they want to tell somebody,
We'll be glad to listen.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
Yeah, and it's we if you're I've listened to so
many stories and and they have questions and if I
do have an answer, I'll give it. But just listening
to them helps and and and and you know, I've
directed Amanda has directed people to other people that could

(01:50:44):
help them in their region. So yeah, reach out to
us email and if we if we don't know the answers,
we might know somebody that that does.

Speaker 6 (01:50:53):
Yeah, a lot of people just want want verification. They're
not crazy. We've had people contact us and we went
to the proper do you to verify? You know what
evidence they have or what we see and just makes
them feel better and knowing that, okay, I'm not crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
One of the other things that we really love about,
you know what we do is you get all you
get the different people there these expeditions and outings and everything,
and they get together and a lot of them leave
from them, you know, as friends, lifelong friends from then on.

Speaker 8 (01:51:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
Yeah, absolutely, I've got people that I didn't know three
years ago before I had a show. I've got people
right now that I consider better than family. Yes, yes,
but I can you know, we can call each other up,
I can ask questions. You know, we know a lot
of the same people if I have a question, you know,

(01:51:46):
let's say somebody asked me they're from Pennsylvania and they're like, hey,
do you know anything about this? No, Mary does contact
her on Facebook or whatever. So I feel like it's
the network that we didn't build it. We just became
a part of it. Uh And and they're they're the
people that we hang with. There no egos. So and

(01:52:09):
what what you said earlier, I don't have any I
don't even want to be the one that can you
imagine if you had the evidence that that that actually
proved this thing was real. And then then you're gonna
have people and agencies that are mad at you. Then
you have people like, oh, I need to talk to him,
and they'll be out here on your porch.

Speaker 8 (01:52:29):
You know, I don't gonna have every alphabet agency. I
don't want no part of that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
Yeah, you wake up one morning, your door be kicked down,
you won't have a laptop. You want to have your
phone to be gone or be fried by an MP
or something. That's right, put my tin hat on or my.

Speaker 6 (01:52:54):
Stories of this true story.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Actually we have.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
Yep. The first thing they'll tell you if you get
something amazing, and I've seen some amazing stuff and like
you were to get some thumb drives and spread them
things out across the state. Yes, absolutely, I've got won't
get into that. I've got stuff for that too. But anyway,

(01:53:22):
thank y'all so much. I'm sorry I didn't get to
talk to you more at the l b L. I
appreciate y'all. Uh sorry it took so long, but everything
happens for a reason. Our audience is bigger now and
and and we we appreciate y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
We're looking forward to that next y'all get the opportunity
on y'all get over this way, come.

Speaker 6 (01:53:43):
Go with us.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
I think, I think, I think that's in the plans. Greg,
Greg being quiet all night, sitting here listening, loved everyone
a Manda, you got any final questions for your neighbors there.

Speaker 8 (01:53:56):
Not that I could think of off the top of
my head. Just thank y'all for coming on and the
sitting on the porch and jabbing with us, and the
sharing what y'all got going on, and hopefully if what
folks here in the in the chat could learn something
from you guys, because I know we've picked up all
I'm saying, all three of us, because we're all three
little bubbles here, all three four of us here, all

(01:54:17):
put our got some interesting thoughts going just sitting here
jabbing tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
For sure, in any thought we throw one of us
throws out there in chat. If y'all, if y'all want
to dig into and let us know later what you
find out, please.

Speaker 8 (01:54:29):
Do, yes, please do absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
All right, y'all, y'all have a good weekend and we
will see everybody next Thursday night.

Speaker 6 (01:54:40):
All right, by y'all, Bye, y'all,