Squatchin' Holler Podcast #1 | Alabama Bigfoot & Boogers_ Tim Coonbo Baker and Greg Howse

Tim and Greg join us for some Southern Bigfoot stories!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Squatching Holler.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
In the midst where the trees lean move, Squatching Holler's
gotta tail.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
The show wisps.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Creep like a creature, spain out.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Every shadows got a secret to grow? Monsters rise? Where
the stories are told? Squatching Hollow?

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Where the legends are born?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Are they? Are they gone? Who can say? In the
hollow of the truth, just the switch, huge.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Footprints faed where the creek runs stand a lantern sways.
Let the search beak in rustling leaves, But there's no
one near?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Is it the wind or the beast?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
You fear every echoes, question, every Russell's a clue.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Spotching hollis got its eyes on you. Monsters.

Speaker 6 (01:40):
No, the stories are toln Squatching How where the legends
are born?

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Are they? Are they going? Who can say?

Speaker 5 (01:54):
You are?

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Then said?

Speaker 7 (01:58):
And now with your squat Ching Holler hosts Roger Williams,
Amanda Stowers, and Ashley Ray. Remember this podcast can be
downloaded everywhere great podcasts are found. And now the show.

Speaker 8 (02:22):
Hi, how do we follow that intro?

Speaker 9 (02:25):
I know right, It's like and we're back.

Speaker 8 (02:27):
Yeah, Hey, Amanda, how you doing?

Speaker 9 (02:30):
I'm good? Roger? How are you tonight?

Speaker 8 (02:32):
I'm good. I've been excited. You know, we've been working
hard to bring everybody the first episode of our new show.

Speaker 9 (02:38):
I don't like look at us.

Speaker 8 (02:40):
I know right, I know it's green. Uh, thank everybody
for coming in.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Uh green.

Speaker 8 (02:46):
So everybody that's never met us before. I'm Roger Williams.
We've got Amanda Stowers. Ashley is has been doing a
lot of work this week. She's taken the back uh
not really a back seat. Uh. Tonight you won't see her.
We'll do a show next week for y'all get to
know all three of us and we'll tell our stories
and all. And you know I was gonna okay for

(03:09):
the first show, what are we going to do? So
in that song it talks about legends. I feel like
we got two bigfoot legends in the studio right now,
and we have mister Tim Coombo Baker and Greg Howe's
and y'all strap strap in because it should be a
fun ride. Then you got any words before we start, Amanda.

Speaker 9 (03:32):
No, I think we just go ahead and bring them
on and let's get this show on the road.

Speaker 8 (03:36):
All right, here we go, let's see here, there we go.
Hey fellas, how y'all doing good and good. I appreciate
y'all being here. There's been a lot of people excited,
you know. You know when we can get together and
talk on the porch and it'll last forever. And we've

(03:58):
we've done some of those shows where it took a
while to get over and we're not doing that tonight.
We're gonna we'll spread it out. But Koombo, I know
a lot of people. They they can google your name
and find out a little bit about you. But can
you give us a little bit of info to the
people who've never heard you before, about a little bit

(04:18):
of your past or history?

Speaker 4 (04:21):
All right?

Speaker 2 (04:22):
I grew up along the Tennessee River in North Alabama
on a farm, and I retired a few years ago
that I'm back on my farm now. Saw my first
bigfoot here on this farm when I was four years old,
and I have seen quite a few here since. I

(04:48):
worked for the government for a number of years.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Started working for.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
TVA back in seventy eight after getting out of Auburn,
and then later on went to work for were a
major testing lab that did work for the government, a
lot of it for NASA and for the Army Missile
Command and other government agencies. Later on worked for McDonald
Levis Astronautics and on the Space Shuttle program.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
I manned a.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Console in mission control on seven missions. I worked in
other government facilities on other missions. Held a top secret
clearance for thirty one years. After the Challenger accident, after
about nine months of building the largest strategic Defense initiative

(05:39):
payload that Derek flew on the Shuttle, I moved over
and started working mostly on the missile command side of
the house. Worked directly for the government as a frontline
contractor up until through nineteen ninety four, and then got
out into the into the real world, and I've traveled

(06:03):
around the country. I started seriously researching Bigfoot in nineteen
seventy five with my friend Jim Hart, who was known
through a lot of the Bigfoot world as Bubba or
Bubba Gump. And anyway, he was a brilliant fellow and
he did a lot of work for, believe it or not,

(06:25):
the FBI. We he passed away a couple of years ago,
and his ashes are spread out here on the farm.

Speaker 10 (06:36):
Man.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, and he was that good of a friend.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
And we used to laugh.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
You know, a good friend will help you move a
really good friend will help you move.

Speaker 8 (06:47):
A body, and that's a great that's a great segue
for the guy setting to your left, mister house.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
But anyway, anyway, I.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Have researched in forty three out of fifty states, Uh,
actual feet on the ground in the woods, you know,
looking for the looking for sign you know, call them
and such as that. I've I've researched in several in
Canada and several foreign countries.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
I've never found big.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Foot outside the United States saying they're not there, but
I just haven't.

Speaker 9 (07:29):
And countries. What were some of those countries?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Uh, Canada, Central America, UH, Africa, several countries in Africa,
South Sudan, Rwanda, Uganda. I've talked to folks in Belgium.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
I have.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Actually I didn't get to get out and actually do
anything in bel Jim. I just just talked to some folks.
Talked to some folks that were from Sweden, and uh,
they had some really interesting stories. I'd love to go
over there. There's they got some stuff over there. I'm
not sure I really want to run into.

Speaker 9 (08:17):
But anyway, deep old world stuff over there for sure.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
But I've I've dug around in a Savador, a little
bit of Honduras, a little bit of Costa Rica, some
some Nicaragua, and everybody had stories. But I never found
the first, even the most minuscule amount of sign down there.

(08:46):
But there were lots and lots of stories.

Speaker 9 (08:49):
That's really cool.

Speaker 8 (08:51):
Yeah, yeah, And I knew you'd been a lot of places.
I had no idea that you'd been that many. That's
wild grit. You want to follow that.

Speaker 10 (09:06):
Man, I'm telling you, he leaves a tall resume to
go over, don't he. Oh, now, y'all, I mean not.
I was oblivious to these things till about two thousand
and Uh. You know, I grew up here in North Alabama,
matter of fact, about fifty miles from where Tam lives.
And uh, I mean I grew up on a farm.

(09:30):
We had poultry houses and raised cowsand goats, and you know,
I had had a lot of dogs. We hunted fish.
Dad he had a commercial fishing license and uh we
sold fish. You know, just just kind of beat out
of living here in North Alabama, and uh stayed in
the woods I'm talking about. We were we were doing

(09:51):
anything from quail hunting to lots of deer hunting, rabbit hunting. Uh,
you know, just squirrel hunting, any kind of hunting that
I can do here in North Alabama. We did it
and we were really really good at it. And you know,
I tell people, I grew up in the woods and
I'd never encountered anything like like I started encountering, you know,

(10:12):
around ninety nine or two thousand and Uh. It was
just it had me just stumped. I couldn't forget what
I was dealing with, and uh, it rocked on. And
you know that was pretty pretty much at least for
me pre internet, and uh, you know, I was trying
to research it and trying to get any information that
I could on what I may be dealing with, and

(10:35):
it just it went off the chain from there. And
it took me nine years to convince myself one hundred
percent of what I was dealing with. And you know,
I was. I started off and I was really confused.
And then after a couple of years, the encounters we
were having were getting worse. But I couldn't I couldn't

(10:55):
lay eyes on one. I mean, I was having a
lot of encounters and I'm talking about vocals being based
out of the woods, being you know, chased out of
the woods being bluff charged. And but I couldn't. I
couldn't see it, you know, I couldn't lay eyes on it.
And I mean I've had stuff thrown at me, deer

(11:17):
stolen that we killed. I mean, not just shoot the
deer couldn't find it. But I'm not about shoot a deer.
Walk to it, grab it, torns, pick them up, look
at it, lay it down. It's totally dead. Leave for
fifteen minutes to get a vehicle and come back to
load it, and the deer was gone. It was no
drag marks, no nothing. It would be gone. And you

(11:38):
know they they stole six from me that way that
you know, in the last really about the last fifteen years,
they stole about by another stole at least six, and
that's not counting a few that we would knock down
and the deer would run, would follow the blood, a
really good blood trail, and then you could see where
that one would lay down. It looked like bled out.

(11:58):
I mean, it looked like a a gallon of blood.
And then they would be it just was gone. I
don't count those. But then in two thousand and nine,
I finally was able to see one, and I had
one one heck of a sighting. I mean, it was
kind of the sighting that most people dream about because

(12:19):
I was in a veg and the thing crossed the
highway on me and I got a really great look
at it, and you know it, it was just amazing.
And you know, it's like all this stuff I've been
dealing with for nine years just kind of mustered up
and exploded right in front of my eyes. And it
kind of went from there. And you know, here I

(12:40):
am twenty five years later, and I've had hundreds encounters
because of where I'm at where these things are. It's
just they're here, and you know where I hunt and
where I'm at here is there's just you know, they're here.
And that's what you try to explain to people that
we have a lot of counters because they're here on

(13:02):
the place where I do all my stuff. And then
I got by, by the grace of the good Lord
or stroke or genius or luck or whatever, I got
introduced out here and he took me in like a
lost puppy. Here I am. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (13:19):
And you know, y'all, if the people that don't know yet,
we all know. I know Greg really well. I know
Cuombo a little bit. He's helped me a lot. Greg's
helped me a lot. And I'm gonna tell you something
about Gregg's place. If I leave it two o'clock in
the morning or midnight, I look both ways and say,
we're going to the truck. Don't throw anything at us,

(13:40):
because you never know what's gonna happen down there. Yeah, Coombo,
you know, I've heard a lot a lot of your stories.
I haven't heard probably ten percent, but one one story
that kind of tie some things together or makes quick
of these questions come up. The time that you and

(14:03):
mister Osma went and uh you had the flashlight and you
had the the night vision or whatever. Can you tell
folks that story there too? Uh that Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I was also wanting to add to mind. And I
I grew up hunting fishing like Greg, you know. Uh,
And we live right here by the river, and don't
live right on the river, but I live.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Right next to it.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
And uh anyway, Uh, I grew up hunting fishing. My
dad was a foaming at mouth bird hunter or uh
in southern Parliaance that's that's quail hunter. And we we
we we bird hunted and dove hunted and duck hunted
and squirrel and and uh you know, I rabbit hunted

(14:55):
some and and I was a deer hunting still am
sort of a deer hunting fanat and but I come
down and poach off a grig periodically.

Speaker 8 (15:11):
It's a good good friend, right, yeah, good friend.

Speaker 10 (15:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
I got there right out of my right off my
back porch. You know, I can lazy hunt here. You know,
we've been watching We've had here the other day and
watched the dough feeding out here behind the house for
a good.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Part of the day. But uh, anyway, uh.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
But uh yeah, myself and my buddy Jimmy Osbur we
we used to work together years ago, and and behold,
after where we worked had folded up and shut down,
we uh and we never did talk about big butter

(15:54):
buggers or anything at work. And uh then we some
I ran into each other later. I can't you don't
have to ask Jimmy. I don't remember all the details.
But it turned out that, uh, you know, we met
back up through the Bigfoot community, and you know, we
both got looking at I think I.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Know you know, it.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Turned out that uh, yeah, I used to work with
jim with Jimmy's dad and uh go out a bit
and uh, now I know Jimmy and uh, and what.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Was really interesting, we hated some of the same people
that worked.

Speaker 9 (16:35):
To connect right.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, but uh, anyway, there used to be a fist
hatchery not too far from here, and I think Greg
might even know where it used to be.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
But anyway, it's about.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Half way in between where Jimmy and I live and
about halfway between us.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
So we met up one evening and had it out there.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Looking for the place, and neither one of us had
been there since we were kids. And my dad took
me there, and I think I think Jimmy's dad had
taken him there. But we looked around and we thought
we were onto the right place. And we went down
the road and you know, and we thought, oh, yeah, yeah,

(17:23):
this is this is it, and uh, there's a gate
that's where he used to go.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
And what turned out it wasn't we found out later.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
But anyway, we wandered around back in the woods on
on a gravel road and ended up going up a
steep hill and coming to a.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Gate and.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
We had finally figured by this time, we had figured
out that we couldn't find the old fish achery that
we were in their own place, But we decided to
make the best of it. And there this place was
quite desolate, and we found a place where there was
some like hunting cabins and stuff like that, but nobody
it was there. And we drove up onto one corner

(18:08):
of a of a square square actually was an eighty.
It looked like about eighty acres, but we were at
one corner of it. And for y'all folks that don't
know how big eighty acres is, it's a quarter mile across,
and this is a rectangular eighty. It's a quarter mile across,

(18:29):
and it's a half a mile long. And we pulled
up there and we sat there at a gate, and
we were right beside an empty like a weekend home
or something, somebody's hunting camp or hunting cabin. And we
were on a public road, but we were right at

(18:51):
the point where it seeks to be public and turned
into private. And there was a gate there, a locked gate,
and of course we respect the people's property. We were
not going to go on to that property. But we
stood there at the gate and we listened for a
while to see if we heard anything, and then I
decided to do a call, and I did and did

(19:14):
a couple of calls and got an answer from across
the field and you know, about four hundred and forty
yards away. Actually, uh forty acres is four hundred and
forty yards on a side, or and eighty acres is

(19:35):
you know, four hundred and forty yards wide and eight
hundred and eighty yards long. Anyway, we got an answer
from across the field in the woodline on the opposite
side of this this field.

Speaker 11 (19:51):
And.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I answered it back and it it uh started coming closer,
and we started watching looking over there with.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Thermals I had.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Both of us had thermals with us, and Jimmy's was
quite a bit better than mine. Mine was a cheap
lower end.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Greg was that brand I can't remember Fleir is a
Flair brand which don't buy a don't buy a cheap fleer,
they're junk. And anyway, his I don't remember his as
an ATM or UTM or something. I don't remember the
brand name, but it's way way better than mine. But anyway,

(20:43):
we both could see when this bigfoot came out on
the other side of the field from us. The meantime,
looking around, Jimmy spotted one that had sneaked up on
us and was right there in the backyard of the
hunter's camp that was that we were right beside. And

(21:06):
there was a wood pile back there, and then they
had several fifty five gallon drums sitting there and this
thing was on its belly and it was looking between.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
It was laying on the ground in between the wood
pile and where these drums were.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
And uh, excuse me, scratching my nose, I got a.

Speaker 11 (21:30):
Had that interrupt you there, mister Coombo. Did you say
that it was laying on its belly.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yes, it was.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
It was laying down. There was one and we we
we think it was. We don't think it was an adult.
We think it was an older juvenile, but it was.
It was about maybe fifty yards from us. And anyway,
the one of the the adult one that was across
the field, it was making some racket and it was

(22:00):
walking across the field towards us. In the meantime, we
started hearing another one coming up out of the woods
back behind the hunter's camp that we were near, but
it was on the other side of the fence from us.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
The one that was.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Laying laying there in between the wood pile and the
fifty five gon drums was on the our side of
the fence. There was nothing between us and it but
are and it was about fifty yards away, but it
was just laying still, but we could both clearly see it.
And anyway, the one that was coming across the field

(22:46):
towards us, there was a big deep gully sort of
about in the middle of the field between us and
that one, and it walked up to the edge of
the gully and just stood there and it hollered a
time or two. But in the meantime we could hear
this other one easing up out of the the uh,

(23:06):
out of a big draw that was back behind that
camp that camp house, and we started looking over there.
I think I spotted it first. I spotted it back
in the woods, and it was easing up closer and
closer to us, and then Jimmy spotted it. It eventually

(23:31):
came right up to the edge of the woods, to
the edge of the road, but on the other side
of the gate, and it walked out in the woods.
I mean walked out in the road. It's only about
maybe thirty five forty yards away from us, and we
could clearly see it through both thermals. It was standing

(23:52):
right out in the road in the open, and we
were sitting there and this went on for you know,
four or five minutes, and we, uh, we decided to
light it up with a with a We both had
pretty powerful lights with us.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
We decided to light it up. We want to see
what it really looked like.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
And I had my phone there and my intention was
I was going to try to get a picture of it.
And Jimmy's Jimmy's thermal doesn't have it doesn't do videos
or anything, and my thermal is supposed to do videos,

(24:41):
but I've never been able to get it to work right.
I said, it's a piece of junk. And anyhow, so
we turned on our lights. We said, okay, one tude,
and we both clicked our lights on and I was
going to try to get a picture of it, and
there was nothing there in front of us.

Speaker 10 (25:04):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
We're like, where did it go? And we're looking around,
looking around, shining our lights all around, and where'd it go?

Speaker 4 (25:12):
How did it?

Speaker 2 (25:12):
How did it disappear like that? I held my thermo
back up and it was still there.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
In the thermo.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I said, Jimmy, look, look at your thermal. He looked
up and it was he could see it in his
put it down. You can't see it. And even though
we had our lights shining out there, and this went
on for several minutes, and we we uh were absolutely.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Dumbfounded.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
I had heard of stuff like this before, but this
is the first time and I had seen I've seen
some weird stuff, but this is the first time I
had ever seen anything this outlandish that we could clearly
see it and make out detail in our thermals. Like
I said, it was only about forty yards away, but

(26:09):
we could not see anything in our spotlights. And mine
was a is a rechargeable LED and it's got a
really bright white light, and Jimmy's was a little bit older,
and he had more of a yellowish looking light on
his on his white, yellowish colored light, and couldn't see

(26:31):
it on either one. And I think I might have
eaten stepped back and clicked on the headlights of my
truck and we couldn't see it, but.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
We were and this was crazy. We were looking at it.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Then we went back to just looking at it with
our thermals, and I was messing around mind trying to
get it to take a picure, at least take a picture.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
With my thermal And.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Anyway, it started moving back into the woods, and it stepped,
it stepped back into the edge of the woods for
a little bit and and all of a sudden, I remember,
because you know a lot of times they'll use one
of them to get your attention while the other one
sneak up on you.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
And somehow I was, uh, where's the one out in
the field?

Speaker 10 (27:26):
All right?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
We looked out there, the one in the field was
still there. Where's the one over here beside us? It
was gone, like, oh crap.

Speaker 8 (27:36):
So so that that that moment when you, uh, when
you turn that light on and you're expecting to see
this thing, that had to be mind twisting, like what
the world?

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (27:50):
It was absolutely I was, like I said, we were
both totally dumbfounded. And anyway, we looked back and the
other one was still that had that we couldn't see
with our lights in the thrmle that was still standing
there in the right on the edge of right off
the edge of the road, right on the edge edge of.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
The of the woodline.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
And while we're sitting there looking at it. At this point,
the other one that was out in the field had
started to move, and I could see both of them
in the same field of view. Although the one at
on the other side of the draw out in the field,
that gully, out in the field, he was real worry.
I couldn't tell much detail. I could see his legs

(28:37):
when he was moving. The other one I could seem,
you know, seem good. And that one that that that
was out in the field on the other side of
the gully, he starts walking down into the gully at
an angle and he disappeared in it. In the meantime,

(28:58):
the one that we couldn't see with a light walks
back out into the road and I'm looking at it,
and while we are looking at it, it starts fading out.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
And it ended up being.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Just an oval shaped, an oblong oval, you know, longer
up and down than it was wide. That was just
sort of nondescript. You couldn't see any detail. It was
just an oval of of of heat, you know, that
showed up in our in our on both of our thermals,

(29:34):
and then it just went away.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
And have you ever seen anything like that?

Speaker 10 (29:39):
Now?

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Never, never like that? And now I've had them. I've
had them walk right into a thicket that you couldn't
have driven a tank into and just walk into it
and not even rustle a leaf and disappearing there before.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
I've had that happen a few times, but.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
I've never had anything like this that disappeared on a thermal.
Never and it the thing disappeared, And then all of
a sudden we hear very very heavy footsteps coming up
out of the draw back behind that camp, which is

(30:18):
where that the one that disappeared had originally come from.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
But we figured out pretty quick that it was the.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Big one that had been on the other side of
the gully, that had gone down in there and worked
its way around and was coming up towards us, and
it was coming at a pretty good rate of speed.
And when it had when it would come up and
top out on that hill there, it would have been

(30:46):
less than fifty yards from us. About about forty yards
from us back in the woods. We decided it was
time to.

Speaker 9 (30:53):
Go, so we sounds like it.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
We got we gotten truck and left.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
But I've never I've never had anything close to that
happened to me. And I've seen lots and lots of
animals and buggers and stuff in thermals and I've never.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Had anything like that happened. And it made me I
want to go out. I don't know, I don't know
it made me want to I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
It made me want to go maybe want to go
out and want to drop about ten grand on a
really really super good thermal.

Speaker 8 (31:35):
Well, y'all, Uh, y'all have been friends. You and Greg
have been friends for a long time, and uh, you
know y'all been out together. Like Greg, I tell you
everybody that he's not a researcher. It's so to speak.
I mean, I'll go up there and all nose around
in the woods and go down to the river and
all this stuff, and Gregg's like, I ain't getting out there.

(31:57):
And uh but y'all, both of you guys have a
really good story if you about being together when uh
uh do you'll want y'all want to tell that one.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Was there on that.

Speaker 10 (32:15):
One Yeah, it bowled down. It was it was me
and my my buddy Allen that just passed away. Uh
it was men Allen and Tim had called me and
said he said, men Osmer's wanting to go Burger and said,
y'all want to go? I said yeah, Look dude, Alice
up here from Birmingham. I said, where are we going?

(32:36):
He said, well, let's go. Of course, you know our
burger expedition to start off, We've got to find somewhere
really good to go eat. So then wanted to go
to Big Bob Gibson's. We'll give them a plug. Big
Bob Gibson's Barbecue and Decatur, Alabama. So we met them
up there and we ate, We ate barbecue for supper,
and we left and hit the woods and uh it

(33:00):
look y'all, when I say it come of storm that
day that evening, like like two hours before we left
out going, there was tornades come across North Alabama and
it was blowing trees down, houses away and everything else.
It was bad. I'm talking about like real.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Washing out and flooding, flash flooding.

Speaker 10 (33:20):
Yeah, but you know we were we were like the
mail service, you know, we were going. They wouldn't gonn
hold us back, and uh so we went and we
uh Tim, Tim LAIDs us down you know, some pretty
treacherous roads and we carried two trucks. It was it
was Tim and and Jimmy. And his truck and men
Allen in my truck and we're in both fullel drives

(33:41):
and uh we go in the middle of nowhere, and uh,
I guess it would be north of Decatur. But we
go through there, y'all. And and look, Tim not only
did he work for NASA, and you know, like lock
lock rockets, he drives like he's in a rocket. And
we're going around. We're going around the gravel roads like sideways,

(34:04):
drifting and h We're going around, y'all. And I say, Tim,
he like scoots over because there's a tree like blowed
parsalyly out in the road, and he goes to the
right to go around it. And I watched the like
a culbrit It's like he washed out and he caved
off and his truck cutting the bench six months old.

(34:24):
And I watched his truck teeter up in the back
tire on the driver's side. I could have walked under
it and poked my finger up to touch the tire,
and all the world I thought, they're Dad, they've just
rolled this up. But somebody books it back up in
the road, and uh, I'm like, I'm on the phone
with him, and I'm like you nearly turned over. I said, well,

(34:48):
please stop and let Osmar's we're in release its mouth
from the seat because I'm pretty sure he'd been all
of them truck. So we wind up. But what it
was was this covert had washed out and it was
just a little bit of dirt and it caved off.

(35:09):
I mean, hin in the world. I don't know how
he didn't roll this truck. But anyway, Tim, Tim leads
us a one and you know, us being stubborn, we
get to the spot there's three poplar trees that blown
across this road, and there's twos that are about I
don't know, a foot and a half apart. And these
trees are like the size of a five gallon bucket,

(35:31):
and they're they're laying totally cross this big gravel road.
And there's two laying real close together, and then it's
about five or six feet or four or five feet
to the other one, and it's complete trees. I mean,
now there's really no limbs because the poplars, you know,
it's not many limbs till it gets on that pretty high. Well,
Tim's like, I think we can get over. I said, well,

(35:52):
we may can, I don't know, so we lock our
trucks and low low range foil drive and if you
hit them at an angle, you let, like one tired
at a time go over. And we made it across. Now,
look it was it took an Act of Congress to
do it. But we got on and we're going down
this road, what is it till about half a mile?
Three quarters a mile to that old aboudon.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
About three quarters a mile. Yeah, we get to an
old abandoned turned out it was an old I don't know, Greg,
should we give I don't want to give to.

Speaker 10 (36:24):
Don't give them those exact details, but let's just say
it's an old boat launch.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Boat launch. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (36:32):
Well, look y'all, and we're we're on the edge of
the Tennessee River. I'm talking about like massive water where
we're at. And it's like an old, grown up parking
area that looks like hardly anybody ever ever uses anymore.
And when I say dark, this was like being in
a cave three hundred feet below the ground. There's no

(36:53):
ambient light, there's no nothing. It's black dark. And we
get out of the trucks and we let it calm
down for a little bit and we're all standing You know,
within five or six feet at each other by our trucks.
Well them breaks out one of his patented his calls

(37:13):
that he does. He didn't really have much reaction. Then
he makes another call, no nothing, and we're sitting there
and it, y'all, it's spook y'all mean creepy spoke out there.
And we're sitting there and you know, kind of whispering
and trying to be quiet and listen. He breaks out
the old I call it is his namon bugle, his

(37:35):
show bar horn and blows that stupid thing. And y'all,
when he blew that thing, he gets out of practice
because he don't do that much, so it may sound horrible.
But then when he finally hits that one note, and look,
I read neeck from Alabama. I don't know what a
show for is supposed to sound like. But when he

(37:56):
hits that note, it's like the whole world opens up.
It's just like everything changes. And when you hear it,
it's like, huh, that's what it's supposed to sound like.
But he did that, and it echoed, just echoed down
the river. You can hear it from the other side
of the river. Your echo back. And then it was
like you go three to one and on our side

(38:20):
of the river down from us, I'm gonna say it
could have been a mile away. There is the most
god awful scream, just just a roar, and this thing
was not happy at all. And I mean all four
of us basically in unison. Everybody's head, will you know,

(38:42):
looking that way, and we're like, uh huh huh, everybody
heard that. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Well we gave it
a few minutes and now it got quiet. Well Tim,
Tim calls again, Oh when this, y'all, I don't mean
like ten minutes later, I mean like a minute and
a half later.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Mhm.

Speaker 10 (39:04):
What he calls this time? That thing gives us the
same reply. But it's about half the distance. It's coming,
and it's coming hot, and it ain't happy. And you know,
I'm sitting there going, let's don't let's don't take the
horn anymore.

Speaker 8 (39:24):
In the river and let's go.

Speaker 10 (39:25):
Yeah, put put that damon bugle up. We're done with that.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
And you left out what we've been here in the background.

Speaker 10 (39:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, about this. About about this time that
this is going on, we're hearing back the road that
we came in. We're hearing a Dasil engine. And this
thing is a it's a full wheel drive like a
three quarter ton Dodge pick up jacked up with I
main big massive tires on it.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
And you can hear this truck.

Speaker 10 (39:57):
It's just dogging engine. Just wak wall wall wah wah
wah wah wah wah wah. We're trying to listen to that,
and we're trying to figure out where this down damon
monster's coming from. And it's like, really, we didn't hear
nothing until we get all this and all this is happening. Well,
here's this moron up the road. Well what we what

(40:18):
I finally put together, was this idiot's trying to cross
those trees that we've crossed.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Well and he got hung up in the Yeah, he
got stuck hung.

Speaker 10 (40:28):
Up in him I reckon. You can hear stuff breaking
and him.

Speaker 9 (40:33):
His picture of teetering on it.

Speaker 10 (40:35):
Oh yeah, look, look it gets worse because we're still
down there on this middle of nowhere, and you know
the road going out ain't great because we know we
got across trees to get out. What sounds like the
moron's up there with his truck hung up and this
Boogerman's over here having a fit. He's coming in hot.

(40:56):
You know, we was in a bad spot. I'm mean,
this is not one Well, Tim, I like goes ahead
and goes another tuning too, and y'all, this damn thing
is done. Cut the he's cut the distance in half again.
It's not far, it's close. And when Tim Baker looks

(41:18):
around at the crowd, goes what we need to leave?
There was not nobody in the crowd said, no, man,
we're good. Let's just think it's just here.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Uh No.

Speaker 10 (41:27):
We loaded up by the time we crank, got our
trucks cranked. Jimmy's in there with Tim and Allan's ove
in there with me. I'm done and done in driving.
I'm about fire break. It's spinning tires. Well, we gotta go.
This thing ain't happy, y'all. As we head to the
edge where the road opens out to leave, there's headlights coming. Well,

(41:49):
Tim has to wait. Well, this is old, souped up,
tweaker looking dude comes flying in there with this old
god's pick up. It's like more rust than was paint,
but jacked up, big tires, roll bar, whole shooting match.
It's like, dude, move y'all we come. Look we like

(42:11):
throwing gravel leaving. Well, dude, I don't know what he
was doing. I didn't care if we was leaving.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
We get what he did. He spun.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
He spun his truck around and stopped like yeah, he's
gonna wait for somebody. And we asked and left there
by himself with a royally little booger roaring down on him.

Speaker 10 (42:37):
You know, I wouldn't have been more worried about him,
but I wasn't worried about me, and I was this dude.
He was my total stranger, so so.

Speaker 9 (42:45):
The boogers of the tweakers.

Speaker 10 (42:47):
But look, we got back to those trees and look went.
I wasn't real happy that we had to slow down
to get over them, but you know, this is three
quarters of a mile or maybe a mile. I'm like, well, okay,
well Tim's truck. He goes over him a little bit quicker.
You know, we kind of got it down path the
way we've done it. Well, he goes over it, we
kind of like goes up a little bit, pulls off
completely out of the road, kind of in the ditch. Well,

(43:10):
I crawl over it in my truck and I pull
in behind him. He's like, I think he felt guilty
because we left that dwe down there. He's like, let's
see when we take a chain and just pull those trees.
I said, well we may ken Well about this time.
You hear thisel diesel engine, y'all is like turning over.
How many RPMs it could turn? And this thing is coming.

(43:32):
You could hear you can hear it sound like, Yes,
it sounded like a spray of gravel up in the woods.
This guy's going so fast and he comes around the
curve and he hits a little straight where we are now.
Our trucks are pulled off and they're sitting there running
with the lights fro. Y'all, we backed up like up
in against our trucks. This dude hit those trees. I

(43:53):
bet he's running thirty five forty miles an hour this truck.
I was waiting on the Dixey horn to blow when
the truck went born. It went over those trains, y'all.
I could have I could walk over this.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
He hit the first tree and cleared the other two completely. Yes,
And it was going so fast. He hit the old truck,
bounced real big, and he got over in the ditch
on the other side of the road, all sideways. He
never let up, He kept.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Her, he kept it nailed, and somehow he straightened it out,
got back up on the road and he never left.
And I said, I'm gonna catch it. So I'm gonna
see what he saw. We never got.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
And hey, yeah, I've got my My truck will fly.
I've got a I've got a Chevy trail Boss with
a six point two in it. That's how I'm gonna
fly zero sixty and five point four seconds.

Speaker 10 (44:52):
I believe we couldn't. We could got up. My truck's
got the five seven. We couldn't catch. Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
What happened was that he was sitting there and he said, yeah,
I ran, Now I'm off.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
And about that the time.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
That bad old booker came running out right in his face.
And uh, I'd love to know exactly what happened.

Speaker 9 (45:26):
You woke him up, got him mad, and then now
he's got the tweaker down there with him. He ain't
a happy booger.

Speaker 10 (45:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (45:34):
Now, I'm gonna tell y'all, I've only been around Coombo
once when he was driving. We're at l B L
a couple of years ago. And we're all camping, and
me and my wife turned in and started down in
the hollow there, and I saw this black truck come
around the curve and I yelled at Koombo is gonna
kill it? She said, it's that I went off in
the I know he don't remember that. But I was

(45:54):
laughing because I'd heard these stories, right, and I'm like, well,
Greg telling the truth. What skinny pedal?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Downy skinny pedal.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
I was yelling, skinny pedal. If somebody's after.

Speaker 10 (46:10):
He was on the follow, he was dropping about some
dude traffic. He's going skinny pedal. Dude, skinny pedal. I
was laughing, bottle.

Speaker 8 (46:19):
But uh, and y'all, before we before we continue for
all the new new people. We take these subjects seriously,
but we don't take ourselves seriously. So y'allah, we're.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Yeah, wow, we do. We take the subject serious.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
But if you can't laugh at yourself and each other,
you know, yeah, you know, you know.

Speaker 10 (46:42):
We're doing something else, y'all. I've been so traumatized by
all these things. If I couldn't laugh about it, I
wouldn't lay the house.

Speaker 8 (46:50):
Yeah, and and well we'll get you on. Tell some stories. Uh,
you know, each one of you by yourself, and uh
cause this is like an introductory type thing and they
have ye trust me, the audience, some of you know,
they have some stories.

Speaker 10 (47:04):
So uh yeah, matter of fact, I mean one of
the I don't know it ain't the last one, damn saying.
But it's been about a year ago. He was he
was sitting right here, made him done a podcast, a
different podcast. And when he got ready to leave, when
he backed up and turned around here at my cabin
and started down my driveway, tell him what you saw

(47:25):
walk across my drive Then that.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Was a yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
By the time I got my truck turned around and
was headed down down the hill, and just as my
lights were coming over the edge there my dad come
de bugger walked out from between a couple of buildings
down there and walked across road. And Greg's got some

(47:49):
neighbors that liked to collect a bunch of jump the
little building up up and sell it. But they had
a bunch of washing machines sitting there in that dude
walked trying a cross road right in between those washing machines.
I slammed on the brakes and I sort of turned
to follow it, and it walked through the washing machines
and off into the woods and disappeared like it didn't

(48:11):
have a care in the world. It couldn't have cared
less that I had my headlights home. Yeah, but yeah,
the uh.

Speaker 8 (48:21):
And y'all the area we've had the the people that
don't know. The area they're talking about is northwest Alabama.
You know where Bankhead and all that. That's what I
won't give any other than that, but that's the region
that they're in. So uh and and you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Live on opposite sides of Bankhead Forest. Yeah, if we
either one of our houses, we have to drive through
the forest. Yep, we'll drive the long way.

Speaker 8 (48:48):
And I'm gonna tell you we went through there. There's
there's no cell service. If you were wondering why they
had two trucks. If one truck, if a vehicle breaks down,
you have trouble, there's no way to call out. So
you need at least two vehicles.

Speaker 10 (49:01):
So that's right.

Speaker 9 (49:04):
Yeah, definitely, sorry for sure.

Speaker 8 (49:07):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
There's a somebody on here named butt Worm and uh,
I wonder, I wonder if that might.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Have been one of Bubba's stepsons.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
That reminds me of a joke I played on my
boss one day.

Speaker 8 (49:29):
Oh oh, yes, I had.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I had pinched my finger, uh working on some stuff
over the weekend. I had a big old band aid
on my finger, and my boss had called me in
his office talking about something. I walk in there and
there's my boss and his boss in there, and they
were asking me, uh some questions about Hey, Patrick Noble,

(49:52):
I see you down there, and uh anyway, I got
this big bandage on my finger, the little big one,
snuffy smith looking bandage, and uh anyway, he says that
a lost time accident there, and I said.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
Nah, I'll just scratching my button. The tape for him
bit me.

Speaker 8 (50:12):
Southern, y'all.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
We thought it was going to have a heart attack.
He turned red. He's had tears running down his face
and his.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
Balls, you know, the big balls. He says, Well, you
asked him.

Speaker 8 (50:31):
I thought you were going to tell the story about
when y'all, when y'all were messing with the uh, the
equipment that y'all had made, the sound equipment, uh, with
the frequencies, and you accidentally hit a boss man with
the with the brown note. I didn't know you.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Remember the guy we hit with the brown note. We
hit it on purpose.

Speaker 8 (50:50):
I was trying to help. I was trying to help
you there. That was when you were at NASA.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Uh yeah, I was working. I was working for the government.
Then we were in a government test.

Speaker 10 (51:04):
Law.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
There was a particular engineer that.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Everybody despised, and uh it was bad to come on
and walk by somebody's tests that was going on and
mess with the knobs and you know, change adjustments. So uh,
our little team, we we decided whenever we saw him
in our area that we'd start hitting him within for sound,
you know, make him sick, make him, make him leave.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
And we got to be pretty good at it.

Speaker 8 (51:33):
Yeah, huh, well yeah, but see that that that leads
into like uh uh y'all y'all have tested with sound
out in the woods and all that, and uh you
know and and yeah, I know you. I don't know
if you talk about it or not here, but you
have seen boogers on military basis. Yes, And the one

(51:57):
you talked talked about, the thing appeared and they thought
it was a human. Uh that int night and they
went up to run run the person off. And you said,
the bigger the closer they got the Humbies looked smaller
because this thing was so huge.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Oh, down at Camp Shelby, Mississippi, and it was a
guy that uh, the National Guardian. It was down there
on with their summer camp training. And it was a
fellow that he was a supervisor that worked I was
his boss, the supervisor that worked for me. And he
was a he was a colonel in the in the
National Guard and uh they were doing uh infiltration exfiltration

(52:37):
training and such as that, and uh they thought that
this was somebody trying to sneak up on their command
most and they taught him on a thermal and.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Uh they got to watch him.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
They said, I think that's somebody that's wandered in here
off of some Uh. A lot of people don't know this,
but Camp Shelby is surrounded by a big nash from
forest and uh and they every once in a while,
hunters or something like that will get out of.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Good.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
I want to see you up there, Wendall back too.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
But uh uh.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Anyway, Uh, they thought maybe it was a hunter or
something that had gotten lost, so they sent some couple
of guys in a humvee over there to let him
know he's not where he's where he's not supposed to be.
And I offer him, you know, help getting out of
there if he needed it. And they are driving up,

(53:38):
getting closer and closer to him, and uh, the guy,
the colonel was watching this at a distance from the
command post to a really good military military grade night
ving the scope and he said, he suddenly realized that
this thing was way way bigger than a normal human,

(54:01):
because it was it was on past the humvey quite
at this it still and it was much taller than
the humvey.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
And this is a humvey that's got got a machine
gun turret up on top of it.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
And uh, they hollered at him on the radio the
day you need that about that time, the guy's driving
the humvey had figured out that it wasn't a human,
and uh, they got screamed at and one of the
guys freaked and emptied up, emptied, I think a couple
of magazines of blanks at it.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
All it did was make it mad.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
And but yeah, they I think he emptied two magazines
full of blanks at the thing.

Speaker 8 (54:42):
Yeah, well you look, Yeah, Kombo has helped me. He's
a great guy. Uh. And and when I first started
talking to him. The reason I didn't know him, I
didn't know about his past and all that. But in
a few minutes he gained my trust because I was
telling him something that happened to me and my family.
And he might not remember this, but three or four

(55:04):
times he finished my sentence and was like, did this,
did this happen? Did that? Did it sound like this?
And he was right on the money. So he hooked
me in like this, This man is telling the truth.
He's a good guy. And so to y'all that don't
know him, you can go search his name. There's there's
a lot of a lot of things out there with
his name on it. Go check it out. But I

(55:24):
just want to say that because you know, you never
know who to trust in this and and and when
you have experiences and stuff like Greg said, it's nice
to have people to talk to and everything, and Kombo,
Uh it has and where I was going with this, Uh,
you're talking about the guns. Uh. You know, don't ever

(55:48):
point point a gun at one Uh you know, if
you're unless it's dire.

Speaker 10 (55:53):
Yeah, don't don't ever shoot it one ever. Yeah. Ever,
I've had We don't have time to go into some
of the things that happened to me on here to now.
But y'all like like with them, Uh you know it
was it was a fluke, absolute fluke that I got
hooked up with them to start with. You know, just
I was. I was pretty much dealing with this all

(56:15):
by my lawnsome well, it was me and my dad
was having most of these encounters because we were hunting
over on this space property and uh, you know, pretty
much everything I was going through, Dad was right there
with me, within three hundred yards of me. And a
lot of times the the voter would come around to
field where I was, and then it would go through

(56:35):
the old growed up thicket and go around to feel
where he was. And we were hearing all kinds of
any anything and anybody wants to attribute to a big
foot as far as tree knocks and whoops and a
lot of whoops, and you know, we'd hear a lot
of whistles, lots of tree knocks, and you know, it
just got worse. But just by sure happenstance, I had

(56:58):
a researcher from from Arkansas was just passing through. He
was passing through this little town that I live in,
and he stopped to get about to eat in a
little cafe and he had had it had big foot
on him, and one of the waitresses kne and me
and money for her and her husband. And she said
something to the guy about his hat, said you believe

(57:20):
in those things? He said, oh yeah, and I've been
researching for like, you know, fifty fifty something years. And
she said, well, you need to talk to a friend
of mine, said these side and encounters, and he thinks
that's what it is. Well, they wind up. She gave
the guy my number and his name was Bill White
aka tal Bonco. And then he contacted me, and Bill

(57:45):
met me at my house and we talked four hours
or Bill became a really good friend because he had
a lot of answers to a lot of questions I had.
And then after after a while, he told me, he said,
I want you to meet a friend of mine. Said
he's from your neck of the woods. Said he doesn't
live there anymore, he lives in Missouri, but he grew
up there in North Alabama and he's got a farm,

(58:07):
and I really, I really want you to meet him.
Well I'm like, okay, I mean I didn't know. He
teld me the guy's name. I'm like, well, all right,
he said, look, i'mnna get him to call you. I said, okay,
So I get a phone call and we talked for
two two and a half hours. It was combo. I mean,

(58:28):
I didn't know who Comebo was. I you know, I'm
I'm new at this. I've been at this by myself
for several years. And uh, you know, I said I
was oblivious to anybody working. And then after about a
week them and contacted me again, invited me to come
up to the They were having a camp out on
his farm. They're going to stay in his grandma's old house.

(58:51):
And it was Tim's tight grape of buddies that they
did put him with. Well, man, I didn't realize I
was like getting invited to Elvis. You know, I got
to go up there. And man, the thing about it was,
you know, I had people like you know, Troy Allen, Troy,
I got to make Troy, I got to make cherry

(59:11):
corn Tassel, and you know, I met Nate Bolan and
Jack Overkirt, Jimmy Osburn and you know a few more
of the guys and y'all everybody welcomed me with open
arms that like I was that like I was a
little brothers that they just found out about, and you
know the rest has just been history and and that's
been several years ago now, but you know, the debt

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of gratitude, like with Kondo, I mean, I take it
for granted because you know, I taught him pretty much
every day and sometimes multiple times a day. But we
don't just talk about me. We talked about average wife deal,
you know, big but usually gets talked about, doesn't all
we talked about. But guys I've been I feel extremely

(59:55):
blessed because I've been just kind of found a a
nixt feel and these guys absolutely took me in, like man,
I mean, and that's that's what I like about the
big community, that the part of it that I'm in.
And that's the reason I chose to when I got
the opportunity with Spencer and Misty to go on our

(01:00:17):
own podcast, that's the only reason I done it because
I was really I didn't want to talk to people
for a long time. And then I realized that I
wasn't helping anybody me being quiet about it. And I
realized that help people was to talk to them and
and you know, tell them what I had experienced and
help help people just basically try to give them some answers,

(01:00:41):
answers to some questions they had. So, yeah, that's this
fellow right over here, man, y'all, he's had in my
back for several years now. I guess maybe I've had
as we've seen some exciting stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Yeah, and you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
I just felt like I felt like I was blessed. Well,
I was blessed my grandfather and my grandmother in my
in one of my great grandmothers, started teaching me about
these things when I was just a little bitty kid.
I mean I'm talking about I first heard about him
and I wasn't even three years old.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Yet, and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
You know, and my grandmother, you know, taught me all
kinds of stuff about them. I mean, right here, I'm
talking about there's stuff that right here where I'm sitting
right now used to be My grandmother had a uh
it's where my grandma where we butcher hogs and scald

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them and scrape them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
And she'd make livees open.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
And she had a bunch of pear trees right here
and right out in front of the house, you know,
here about fifty yards away. I had a bunch of
apple trees, and then we had some peach trees, and
and you know, used to make all kinds of stuff.
And whenever we would plant a garden, we would plant
one here. But then she would send me with a
with a hoe or a little it's a little little

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sharp pointed tool. She'd send me over to the back
of the farm and over next to the woods close
to the river, and you know, to plant squash and
watermelons and cantalopes and and uh field peas and string
beans and all kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
And I'd say, well, why are we doing this granty?

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
You know, and nobody you know, what we're planting over
there is for.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
The neighbors, I said, we ain't get the neighbors over
an't nobody lives the Oh, yes they do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
And my dad growing up, he made.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Uh, he always made sure in the fence rows that
we had for simon trees and plum trees and and
and crab apple trees and stuff like that growing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
And he'd go back he'd plant muscadine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Vines and and uh and scuppering on vines and stuff like.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
That back there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
And he always and around some of the edges back
where our sawmill used to be. He would, uh, he'd
plant apple trees and peach trees and pear trees and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
And and you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Know we planted stuff back there, uh for the for
the boggers, so they leave our stuff alone. And then
my grandmother taught me at a young age, you know
what to do if they're trying to if they're trying
to get you stuff out of your garden. We'd go
to the she'd go to the dad gun. Right, we'd

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go into town and she'd go to the little dollar
store and she'd buy the cheapest, stinkiest soap that she
could find. It was usually they don't make this anymore
of us called cashmere bouquet.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
Some of some older folks remember it.

Speaker 8 (01:03:55):
It sounds horrible.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
It's cashmere bouquet. That was the name of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
And we would bring it out here and man, I'd
have to get out there and rub it on the
fence post, on the true trunks, on the tomato steaks,
on the sides of the We had a summer. Some
of these old houses, the old house that were built
in eighteen eighty five, the home place, it's just right
here next to me. But it had us well we
use it for a tool shed, but it was originally

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called a summer kitchen. Well, we'd rub it all over
that thing, and the corners of that rub it on
the outhouse.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
And I had an outhouse out in the yard, and
I was out here one time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
You know, I was the oldest grandson, so I was
the free slave labor, and I.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Was about nine years old.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
We'd been out here to weeding the garden or doing something,
and sitting down there and we'd eating lunch, and she
was washing the dishes and I was just sitting there
at the table there in the kitchen. And we used
to laugh later on that my Granny Baker that they
modeled Granny Clampet after my Granny Baker because she was

(01:05:05):
real feisty and didn't take the crap off of anybody
or anything.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
And she was really.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Really her figs and her fig preserves and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
And she had all her feet bushes growing around the outhouse,
good natural fertilizer. So we're sitting there and she's washing dishes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
And when you look down the kitchen window, look a
little bit to the to the left, and there was
the outhouse out there. She's washing dishes and I'm sitting there,
I don't know what I'm doing, looking at a comic
book or something, and all of a sudden she's she's dead,
comet like that, and she froze down her dish time.
She runs over there to the back door. She grabs

(01:05:49):
a broom out from behind the back door, and out
the door she goes across road.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
She's got you get out of here, You get out
of you, get get and she's swinging that broom over
her head and she runs up to the outhouse and
walk starts hitting the outhouse with the dad gun broom,
and then she runs around behind it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
And I'm up looking out for the kitchen. Anyone awarding
the world's wrong with granny?

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
What's going on? And a dad go about a nine
and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Foot booger comes running out from behind the feet bushes
behind the outhouse, runs over and we we had a.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Cattle operation out here in this part of the farm then, and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
All around her yard was a was a three foot
hog wire, which is a woven wire fence about three
foot hind and had about three strands of barbed wire
on top of that. So this fence, you know, came up,
came up to you about fight like that.

Speaker 10 (01:06:42):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Uh, it was over four and a half feet tall
as it's the fence, was it. He came up about
about mid chest.

Speaker 10 (01:06:51):
On the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
This thing never broke stride, just right over.

Speaker 10 (01:06:55):
It never broke.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Stride, I mean, and you know if I'd tried to
jump it out or left something hanging on the fence
and uh but uh yeah, and it runs off down
between the barns. And I got all the ways in
the car into town behind them, buying, buying bouquet more so.

(01:07:21):
And then but uh, if if that didn't work, she
had the nuclear option. She always bought some of this.
She'd buy five or six bottles, sometimes a case of
the old fashioned equavelva after shotting. And I was out
there that after when we got back that afternoon with

(01:07:42):
neviw and Michabel was shaking that stuff all over around
the yard along the fence.

Speaker 10 (01:07:46):
And uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
But you know they were used to My grandparents had
you know, had had where it was used to dealing
with these things. And my great grandparents and you know,
my my great grandmother and great grandfather came from North
Carolina out to East Texas by covered wagon in the
in the late eighteen eighties, in early eighteen nineties. I mean,

(01:08:13):
the people were still moving by covered wagon then, and
I heard all about uh, and I don't I don't
research these things. I don't want to know about them. Unfortunately,
my wife has seen one. But they talked about they
used to talk about the little people and and you know,
they said that there their little people followed them and

(01:08:37):
from North Carolina and wow, that yeah, and that every
once in a while there were bad ones and they
were good ones. The ones that went with them and
followed them were good ones. But they said every once
in a while, these bad ones would show up and
the good ones, good ones would run them off.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Now that's all I know about.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
I know they exist because I have a excellent picture
of one that Judy Kline, a really good researcher up
around Minnesota, Michigan, somewhere up there, got a fantastic picture
of one, and she gave me a copy of it,
and and she sort of like.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
We get some pictures of bigfoot and dog men and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
She felt eyeballs on her and and just sort of
they were moving through the woods, she and several other researchers,
and she felt like they were being watched, and she
just stepped out of the out of the trail and
got her camera and started shooting pictures. And sure enough,
in one of them, there's one and down in a

(01:09:43):
bunch of brush and vines and things that it's our
brush and tall grass, and it's got his head sticking up.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
This is what blew my mind. She showed me this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
My great grandmother said that they would decorate themselves with
fold age and with vines and stuff. The picture that
that she got, Uh, this one's got a piece of
honeysuckle across its head.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
And for you know, for for cameo and and.

Speaker 8 (01:10:16):
And for the new new people, the new people that
have come along. There's a lot of new people. Thank
you for coming and checking us out. Yes, I know
it's like this in other places, but the Southeast was
settled along time. The northeast was first of the Southeast.
And you have the Appalachian you know, uh area. And

(01:10:37):
when when you have trolls, internet trolls start, you know, oh,
you don't have a picture and you don't have those people.
We're we're way past knowing they exist. We've all had
experienceial office families, uh, communities, you know nearby the old
people uh here would call them the big monkeys from
the forties and fifties, and you just have to learn

(01:10:58):
to deal with them now.

Speaker 10 (01:11:00):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:11:00):
I know people want proof and all that, but you know, uh,
it's out there. And even if you did show him,
like like Combo said, he said, I haven't casted one track,
and I mean, they're not gonna believe it. You know,
the people that don't want to believe it. Now when
you get now, didn't pep the non believers. Didn't you

(01:11:21):
have a guy at work that didn't believe it and
you carried him down to your place and scared.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
What I did is I carried him to a back
some years ago. This was this was back in the
late nineties early two thousands. There was a place along
the Natchez Trace Parkway that we had found and it's
the only place I've ever found like this where there

(01:11:46):
was there was a an alpha booger down there that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
You could call and he would come up. He would
come up and broad.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Daylight and and show himself and and he'd yell at you,
he'd scream at you, and you know, so that's sort
of a bad attitude. First time I ran into him.
I heard about it, and I went down there to
see if I could find him. And I went to
where I you know, where this guy said that you know,
he had encountered the thing. I went down there and

(01:12:15):
I drove up and parked. And one of my rules
that I tell everybody, anybody that listens to me, when
you're out away from your home, always always park your
vehicle and let you know, unless you're parking in the
Walmart parking lot or in front of the Kroger or something,
But even then I try to always, if you're in

(01:12:38):
a wild area or away from civilization, always always park
your vehicle pointed in us in the safe and fastest
direction out. Don't you never know what's going to happen.
And if it's where there's a wild animal, a wild person,
you never know a tornado bearing down on it on you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
You you always need.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
To park your vehicles so you can make a fast escape, right.
And my dad taught me that from a very young age.
And and my dad was very very aware of buggers.
But he and my dad and I together had several
encounters with him, but he would never tell me much
about him. He would just uh and my mother tried

(01:13:26):
to tell me stuff about him several times, and Dad
shushed her up.

Speaker 10 (01:13:31):
For some reason.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
But you know, my grandmother and my great grandmother and
my grandfather told me, you know, a fair amount about him.
But anyway, So I had driven into this into this
particular little park there on the Natch's trace, and I
pulled into a tight parking spot. There wasn't much parking there,
and I didn't turn around. I really didn't expect anything.

(01:13:56):
I got out and I ate a call. I immediately
got an answer, and I started to call again and
it but it called the second time, and I could
tell it was coming to me, but I called it
again anyway. I called again anyway, and this dude he
was really coming to me. And at that particular location,

(01:14:19):
you were up on a on a hill and you
could look down on the trace and he was on
the other side of the trace. And I said, well, shoot,
I can see him cross right down there when he
comes across the trace. What I didn't know that was
there was a big culvert under the trace right there,
and he didn't have to expose himself. He could get
to my side without me knowing it. So I'm standing

(01:14:41):
there trucks behind me, and I'm standing down there. I'm
looking down there, you know, waiting for this thing to cross,
and he's he's screaming. He's getting closer and closer, and
he's screaming about every five six seconds, and then it
gets quiet. I said, well, where is he? And all
of a sudden, he screams behind me. I whirl around

(01:15:07):
and he's standing.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
You can see the microwave of it and everything back
behind me. Here he's quacker than that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
From the front of my truck. And I have to
go to him to get to my truck. And he's
sat in there screaming, and I didn't know for a
second what. And I was the only one there. And
this is in the afternoon, about four o'clock in the afternoon,

(01:15:38):
and I had to go towards it, and I realized
that even worse than that, my truck was pointed at him,
and I had it was going to have to juke
it around to get it out of there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
So I just kept my head down.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
That's another thing if you ever have a bad encounter,
the one, don't look it in the eye, divert your vision.
You look down and you can you can talk to them,
and most of them understand a fair amount of our
our language. And I just put my head down, and
I don't know if I if I talked to her
or not.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
I can't remember. I like I said, I didn't know
where to the wind my butter scratch my watch at
that point, and anyway, I went towards it, keeping my
head down.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
I got in the truck and I fired up, and
it's and it's still standing there, screaming about every ten
or fifteen seconds, and I back up and I have
to pull up, back up, pull up. I got a
f two fifty super duty crew camp, you know, with
a seven point two daysilentit and it took me about
three or four dukes to get that thing turned around.

(01:16:45):
And just as I finally was it's like here and
my truck is back here. And just as I'm finally
getting where I can pull out and leave, I don't
know where it got, but it being over and it
picked up a stick up off the ground. And when
I say stick, I mean this thing was as big
around as my arm and about four and a half

(01:17:08):
feet long, and it was and he picked it up
off the ground. I don't know if he brought it
with him or what. But uh, but he picked it
up off the ground, and just as I'm pulling out,
that thing rears back and he throws its side arm.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
He threw it sidearm, and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
That thing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Like that, Wow, it hits the It hits the right side.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Of my truck now right above the wheel well on
the on the rear, right above the rear wheel well
on the on the right side, and puts a big
dent in it about almost two feet long, right where
the where the wheel well comes up, and then the
then it where the cheap metal comes up.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
Then it turns in little bit right in there. He
put a big crimp in the metal. I had not
even made the first payment on the truck.

Speaker 8 (01:18:01):
And what's the what's the insurance commercial? We've seen a
thing too, and then combo shows up.

Speaker 9 (01:18:10):
It's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
And out of there. And now so I get home.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
My dad was an insurance agent, and that I had
that truck insured through my dad's company. I said, what
am I going to do? You know here, I haven't
even made the first payment on this truck, and I
got a big old dent in the side of the bed.
I thought a calling, I'm Dad, I'm not turning this in.

(01:18:38):
So I came to work the next day and uh,
soon as I got in the door, you know, I
don't even in the into my office.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
Amen, what happened you new truck? I says, Oh? Man,
I said, uh, I backed into something.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
And uh And he says, well, you need to call
a dent doctors down a tuple of they can come
up here and suck that thing out. I said, really,
how do they do that? They got this vacuum machine
they put on this, sucked it in out and then
they'll heat it up or do something. And man, they
do a great guy. So I called it doctors and
they came up did it right out in the parking

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lot and it cost me seven hundred bucks. But they
told me to park it out in the sun and
the hot sun, and after about a month or two
you could not see that damp at all, and.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
It was worth it. I did a good job.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
They did a fantastic job.

Speaker 11 (01:19:37):
So there was something that you said in that story.
Oh sorry, Greg, As you were saying saying about that,
he said, go don't look at these things in the eyes.
So a random fact about me is I was a
veterinary assistant for a while, and I got to go
along up where there was a gorilla sanctuary up here

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that used to be up here in North Georgia. And
one of the very first things that the doctors told
me when we me and the other technicians who got
to go there is whatever you do, do not look
them in the eye.

Speaker 9 (01:20:12):
Do not smile, because that is a show of aggression
to them.

Speaker 11 (01:20:17):
You know, you watch them, you can look you look
down and kind of glance like that, but do not
look them directly in the eyes. So whenever you said that,
I was like, for all the apers out there, I
was like, that kind of correlates. So I thought that
was just a little interesting tid. But when you said that,
I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:20:34):
And that's uh, that's that's good information to have because
you don't, you know, because I have a bad habit
of that. Niffy.

Speaker 11 (01:20:44):
I do too, because you know me, I get excited
and I start smiling like these shows, so I'm like,
they walk around like that with it.

Speaker 9 (01:20:51):
That was before making what were you gonna say?

Speaker 10 (01:21:00):
How long we're gonna be on? But brother, don't forget
to mention about next weekend, not this weekend, but the next.

Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
Yeah, uh yeah, so y'all that are still with us.
There's a lot and the lot of people watching.

Speaker 10 (01:21:13):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:21:14):
The sixteenth, two saturdays from now, is the wild Man Conference. Amanda,
did you have that little bit of information I sent you?
Do you ever see it? Probably not?

Speaker 11 (01:21:24):
Unfortunately I didn't know it's been lost in so so
it's getting ready for this stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:21:30):
Oh yeah, it's been it's been fun. It's been busy.
So h Randy at Hutchings put is putting it on.
Umbo's gonna be there, He's going to be speaking. Uh,
he'll he'll get into some uh a lot of his
research and stuff. And Greg's gonna be there. Misty's gonna
be there. From Woodwalkers, they're gonna have a table set

(01:21:52):
up right beside us. We're gonna be there. You're gonna
have hell been holler m K. Davis. A bunch of people.
I expected be a good turnout, but Randy sent this.
It's real short. It said, join us for the third
annual Tennessee wild Man, a cryptoicon taking place in mc menville, Tennessee, Saturday,
August nineteenth, from nine am to six pm. Nine guest

(01:22:13):
speakers on all manner of strange paranormal and super supernatural topics,
as well as over half a dozen podcasts on hand
looking to hear your personal stories. So y'all can look
that up. You've got a Facebook page, and I'm excited
because you know, we all get we get together some
but it'll be it'll be fun talking to you get

(01:22:34):
to meet people and they come up and tell their
stories for the first time. That is that's amazing. And
we we met Chad and Erica Greg last year when
we were there, and they've become, you know, part of
the part of the family. So yeah, y'all. You know,
y'all be sure and checked over.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
One of the things that that you know, Greg and I.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
You know, we've we've gotten way past the point of
trying to prove they exist. You know, we know they exist.
My motivation now is teaching people. Is it's educating people
about these things. And uh, you know, I'm not going
around trying to make money off of you'll make a

(01:23:20):
living off of them or anything like that like a
lot of folks.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
I'm just trying to educate people with you know, with
with with what I know, you know what I believe, and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
You know, and I've got a lot of in the
field experience, you know, backing up, But I will say
we're not infallible there.

Speaker 10 (01:23:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
We're always open to, you know, look at new things
two to reevaluate old ideas.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
That we've had about them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
And you know, any any so called researcher that's that's
work with the Salt has got to be willing to
go back and relook at old Dana and Uh in
a new light. And I've had I've had to change
my mind about things several times as I have learned

(01:24:14):
more about these creatures and other things that are out there.
And but that's most of us that are serious about this,
at least the group I run with, or we're Our
motivation is is education, trying to teach people about these

(01:24:36):
about them. I'm not trying to prove they exist, because
you know, I already know they exist.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
Right around them.

Speaker 8 (01:24:44):
And all of all of us sitting here have had
either sightings and encounters. You you two are have had
a bunch because of where you live and research and
all that I've had. Uh, I've had several things happen
I've seen too. It may be another one. Amanda's ran
in her as her grandma said, ran into the Booker

(01:25:05):
when she was younger that lived close to their farm.
And so we're we're not we're not gonna be a
show that uh that we're not gonna try to prove anything,
but we'll have people on that will we'll talk about,
like Cumbo said, something I thought a long time ago, uh,
some of the weirder stuff. I wouldn't have entertained that.

(01:25:26):
But now that we've had things happen to us that
you got it. You're right. You have to back up
and say, wait a minute, if that's possible, then yeah.
So I appreciate the help you've given me. You may
not think it's been much, but you've told me a
dozen things that that either either connected the dots from
me or warned or came in handy when something happened.

(01:25:49):
And it's like you know, when you go through training
and you're ready for something, it's like you do it automatically.
We've had a couple of times where we've we've uh
done things that you you know, especially with the truck
pointing out. That's the first thing we do because that
was a good piece of advice. My son and I
will we'll get those trucks pointing and uh, you know,
and make sure and we make sure there's two sets

(01:26:11):
of keys too, because if something happens to me, yeah, somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
You know, Yeah, don't and don't ever, don't ever hide
your keys somewhere you know where you say, all right,
I'm gonna put the keys over here under this rock
because let me tell you, folks, when people get scared,
they will lock you out of your own vehicle and
will not let you in. Yeah, and so you your

(01:26:37):
keys to your vehicle on your person.

Speaker 8 (01:26:41):
Look, y'all, Coombo, Greg and Amanda. We we know the
people that are sitting here listening to this for the
first time, and they're on the fence. They don't know.
I know we sound nuddy, but but that's that's why
I'm doing the show. Is I started a show to learn. Then,
you're right, Combo. People come to you and ask questions.

(01:27:03):
I don't know everything. I might compoint him to somebody,
but it's a pleasure to help someone. Yeah, Greg, Greg
getting to talk about Let y'all. Greg has a ton
of stories and y'all will hear them. I promise you
you can go to Woodwalkers or whatever, but he'll do
it here too, I'm sure.

Speaker 10 (01:27:19):
And yeah, Er, I mean, like I said, for me,
that's that's that's the reason that I started doing the
wood Walkers show with Spencer and Misty was you know,
I realized that how much it helped me, Like with
Combo and Bill Whitet, that I knew that there were
people out there that were you know, wrestling with what

(01:27:41):
they were dealing with and didn't help that person to
talk to And I know how much them talking to
me helped me. And man, I'm devoted about half of
my life to helping people. You know, I've been sixteen
a half years, I've been law enforcement, and you know
I've been volunteer fire fire fighter for about that twenty

(01:28:02):
uh done rescue squad and you know, search and rescue
in the forest here for for almost that long. And
you know, I've dedicated a lot of my life to
helping people. And I realized that I wouldn't help in
anybody by not talking about what I've been through. And
I just figured out that that was the way that
I could help people. So, you know, Spencer and Misty

(01:28:24):
approached me with coming on being a co host on
the The wood Walkers and UH and a shameless plug
It's wood Walkers with a z uh. Y'all, y'all check
us out. And and Misty, We're we're doing a We're
gonna be doing a kind of a late night show.
It's just y'all. Look, some of the people has been

(01:28:44):
worried that we were breaking up the show. That ain't it.
We're just adding, like it's like Woodwalkers two point oh,
it's gonna be not not Owls. And if you look
it up on YouTube, it's not Owls with a Z
one three one three thirteen thirty thing. That's the way
you can find it. We hadn't even done our first
show yet, but hopefully maybe tomorrow night. It's more of

(01:29:06):
a laid back show. We'll talk about anything. We'll talk
about ghosts, werewolves, vampires, who knows. I mean, we just
talk about stuff that we think is interested. I've not
had any encounters none of that. I mean, I'm a
big foot kind of guy, but uh, you know, it's
fun to talk about and we just we get on

(01:29:26):
our deeper pressed you all. I mean, it's just, uh,
we've done a few wood Walkers or a few not
out shows on the wood walker channel, but we just
branched it out, going to do a whole separate show.
But uh, maybe I'll check us out and maybe we'll
get some content on there. But seriously, just check us.

Speaker 8 (01:29:48):
Out, and I'll tell you with that. They've been doing
it for a little while now. They're breaking off, spinning off.
If you think we've been funny that you will bring
bring tissue, you're gonna quick crying laugh. And Uh, they're
laid back. And that's the way Amanda and I, you know, Uh,
and Ashley, Uh, that's the way we want we do
things is like we always say it all the time.

(01:30:10):
We've had a private chat on Messenger and the back
the theme is the front porch of an old cabin
because we're just sitting on a cabin porch talking and
drinking tea. And when we can have guests like Cumbo
and Greg come on and Cumbo has that I'm sure
in books and and and we can't get to all
of that, of course, but I just wanted to introduce

(01:30:32):
you guys to them and go search their names.

Speaker 10 (01:30:35):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:30:36):
And Cumbo, you just did a flash of beauty that
was it was a really good, really good well done.
And uh, I was like, man, that's great that you
know we're getting a little recognition down this way, because
at one time people didn't think they existed. You had
people that didn't think they existed, and then you had

(01:30:56):
some researchers thought they're only in the Pacific Northwest, and
then then they started hearing about Folk, Arkansas and other places.
Nobody's heard about these little places like over here in
Giles County. Here, I've been getting a lot of reports
since I went public. I went out on a limb,
and I've had people come to me privately sharing stories.

(01:31:19):
And it's it's humbling a little bit. When they send
you a message and say thank you, thank you for
talking about it. It makes me feel better. So I know, y'all,
we we're not ending, but if we we could talk

(01:31:41):
all night, because that's just how much experienced these two
guys out and uh the stories. Uh you know, I
can talk to Combo and he can say something it
reminds me of something when I was younger. I'm like,
wait a minute, was that connected to because that's where
I saw the big Foot that and you know, have

(01:32:01):
chickens missing, the garden raided and all that stuff. So anyway,
it's just.

Speaker 11 (01:32:07):
We got a couple of good questions that yeah, popped
up in chat that I've got right here. Let's throw
some of them up and see see if we can
answer some of those. So this this comment or what
have you changed your mind about?

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
Say, I'll tell you first. Yeah, I'm gonna take that one. Yeah,
go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
I did my very first interview and written report, written
sighting report back in nineteen seventy eight.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
I'm doing this long time, and it was from a family.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
There was a hunting camp, a nice hunting club that
was down road here about five miles east of me,
and there was a and I did two reports, and
one of them was from the cook at the hunting camp,
and literally about three or hundred three or four hundred
yards through the woods was this family that lived in

(01:33:12):
that same area, and I did a on the same weekend,
I did a report from them. And those were the
very first two reports that I alread did. And this
is in nineteen seventy This is in late spring of
early summer of seventy eight, because I got out of

(01:33:34):
Auburn and I guess maya seventy eight, so this is
sometime in early summer. So I'm gonna call this one
family the Penny family. That was the first one. And
what had happened was they it was in October. Was

(01:33:55):
that happened the previous October. And it was the night
of the full moon in October of seventy seven, and
they and Miss Penny was sitting there washing dishes, and
the kitchen window faced east, and she always liked watching

(01:34:17):
the full moon come up through the trees, you know,
out there on the on the east side of their yard.
And uh there her husband worked second shift at the
rentals aleminum plant.

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
Just west of here, and so he would leave it
around you know, two thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
I think he looked he worked like three to ten
or three to eleven or something like that. So he'd
always had to work about you know, about two fifteen,
two thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
So anyway, they she'd cook supper and fed. They got
two sons.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
One of them's one of them we called him Burhead,
And uh, I said, if my life depended on it,
I couldn't tell what his real name is.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
I was always he was older one, and I'm not
going to say the younger son's name.

Speaker 11 (01:35:11):
But uh, anyway, it's not always something fun to do
down here, is everybody has a nickname.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
Yeah, that's so fun.

Speaker 9 (01:35:19):
We all do down here in themselves. We all have
nicknames for each other.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
I got Whitey and cod and just you know, everybody
Bubba and coon bo has got a coonbow, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:35:34):
I.

Speaker 8 (01:35:36):
Mean called everything.

Speaker 10 (01:35:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
But anyway, so I go there, and what happened was
is Miss Penny had had fed the kids and and
she was washing dishes at the kitchen sink, and she
was looking out to Winda and he and saw the
moon coming up. And then she noticed a little while

(01:36:00):
later she didn't see that he couldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
See the moon.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
So she leaned up to the window and was looking
out the window, you know where the moon go. And
all of a sudden, this big face leaned into the
window from the other side, and she was like, this
far apart knows to nose with a creature. And she goes,

(01:36:30):
she reacts, She starts going. He's staggering backwards across the kitchen.
The younger the younger son, who at that point he
was he was still in high school. The older son
was already out of school and was was was working

(01:36:50):
for a local company. And anyway, the younger son looks
around there to see what his mother's caring on about
and he sees this thing right up in the window.
And he said it was actually looking around through the
window into the kitchen and his eyes were glowing red.

(01:37:12):
It scared him so bad he jumped up, turned turned
the dinner table over. He was there doing his homework.
He turned the table over. He led out of big
screaming on his bunny. You having a fit, he screamed,
jumped up, turned the dinner table over. It you boam,
you know, hits the floor. Burr heads out there in

(01:37:33):
the in there in the living room watching TV. He's
wondering what the heck's going on. He gets up and
comes in there. Well, they had been having enough stuff
going on around, odd things around there, and miss Penny
didn't know about it. If a mister Penny did. And
he had wired up a lighting system. Every corner of

(01:37:56):
the house had multiple sets of flood lights on it.
And he had a relay, a love Oat's relay system,
and he had like four switches around in different places
out You can hit any one of those switches and
all of.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
Those lights would come on outside.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Well, Burhead had he seized the thing still looking the winter,
and he had enough sense he just reached right outside
the kitchen door into the hallway and mashed one of
those master switches, and all the lights came on. And
he said that the thing literally jerked back, and it

(01:38:33):
looked like that, and it took off.

Speaker 10 (01:38:36):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
He ran down the length of the house and he
ran out the.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Front door, and the whole yards lit up like a
football stadium, and the things running diagonal across their yard
and ran out into the road and turned and down
the hill.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
It went towards the water.

Speaker 10 (01:38:54):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
When they were giving the description of it to me
and how it looked, they were telling me that the
legs looked like that you had stood a dog.

Speaker 12 (01:39:03):
Up on its hind legs, did it? And I wrote
it up as a big foot sighting, And I got.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
The same and the description of the thing wasn't like
any bigfoot that I had ever seen, how its body
was made, and what his head looked like. And I
thought they didn't know what they were, They didn't know
what they were seeing. They were little scared, you know,
So I wrote it up like bigfoot, all right. The

(01:39:35):
next day I go talk to the cook at the
hunting camp. I get the same weird description of the thing,
but I wrote it up as a Bigfoot sighting.

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
This is in nineteen seventy eight.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
In nineteen eighty four, we were working on the very
first Department of Defense mission that the Space Shuttle flew,
and we were building one of the some of the
major equipm for it down in South Alabama, and we
were staying in Troy, Alabama, and we were driving to
a place northeast of the outside of Union Springs, Alabama.

(01:40:12):
That's where this stuff was being built. I had a
couple of ladies that worked for me and they carpooled
to work together. Both of them held top secret clearances.
We always had a handover meeting between persons. We were
working twelve hour shifts. We always had a handoff meeting
between shifts. At the handoff meeting. These two ladies that

(01:40:36):
lived in Troy and commuted to work up there there,
which I also did at that time, they were all
really upset and they were not fit to get out
there and work on this equipment. So after the handoff
meeting was over and everybody was going their way, half
going home, half going out into the plant, I said, hey,

(01:40:58):
I said, come here, what's the matter.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
And they didn't want to tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
And so I said, come on in my office, and
I said, and I said, look, ladies, I can't let
you go out there in this kind of shape. We've
either got got to get you where you fit to
work or I'm gonna have to send you home. I said,
what happened? Well, we don't want to talk about it.
And I said, did you have a wreck?

Speaker 10 (01:41:26):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:41:27):
Did something happen on the way to work? This really? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
And well, while I had been down there in Troy,
I had been taking a bunch of I mean, that's
that is a pretty active area down there around Troy, Alabama.
And I had taken like six or seven sighting reports
while I was, you know, on my off time, and
I thought, I wonder.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
If they had a big, a big foot encounter. So
I said, wait right here. I went out to my
car and I got my lecture book, my log book,
and brought it in there. It up and I just
set it down. I said it something like this happened
and they got to look at it and find want
and said yeah, And the ladies had been crying m

(01:42:10):
and I said, okay, well, okay, what happened? We saw
a huge werewolf whoa.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
And I had other people talk about these huge werewolves,
that's what they called them.

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
I'm thinking, oh boy, here we go. And so they
described it and they said it was so evil that
it was trying to suck their souls out of their bodies.
This is what is the way they put it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
And it as they were driving to work, this thing
walked up out of a creek bottom onto the shoulder
of the road.

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
The lady slammed on the brakes.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
It was standing there beside a curve sign. And I
was later able to, you know, figure out from talking
to him. We went back to say the thing was
about nine feet tall.

Speaker 4 (01:42:58):
I had heard.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Other people talk about dog men and werewolves. I found
its tracks. It went straight up a thirteen foot embankment
in two steps.

Speaker 8 (01:43:13):
I found.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
I had to they had these These were very very
smart ladies. At that point I had to change my
mind and realize I knew by this time I had
figured out that there were different that there were two
types of buggers in this in this area. What I
call a type one, which is a petty type of
Patterson Gimli film type, and what I call a type two,

(01:43:38):
which is the Neanderthal type or the swamp act type.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
They're somewhat smaller. Well, suddenly I had to.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Add, uh, I had had dog men this thing. I
found huge, humongous canine type tracks.

Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
It drew me so much.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
And these ladies gave such perfect descriptions of it and
every thing that they said that it did. I found
the evidence that it had done just what they said,
you know, as far as where.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
It was, how it moved. It went up that bank
on the opposite side of the road like it was nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
It definitely had digital grade feet, which are feet like
a dog. Their heel is not on the ground, whereas
humans bigfoot and stuff like that, have planted grade feet,
which when we're standing up, our heels are on the ground.
When we take a step, our heel hits the ground
every step.

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
Digital grade feet the heel is the it's what we
call the hawk. It does not touch the ground when
a digital grade creature walks.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
I actually I realized. I suddenly realized that these dog
men slash werewolf slash, whatever the hell the heck they are,
that they do exist. I went back to the Penny
family and reinterviewed them, and I'll never forget Birhead said, well.

Speaker 8 (01:45:21):
Hell, we told you what it looked like and you
didn't lave them.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
And Ms Penny she got all upset again. And the
little brother, you know, he didn't want.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
To talk to me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
And uh but uh uh but I realized, so I
had to go back and change my Hey Gary spikes
and uh so I had to go back and change
my very first two sighting reports and change them from
a big foot sighting report to a dog man sighting report.

Speaker 8 (01:46:00):
When when did we first hear the term dog man?
Because I know some people used to call them dog
face boogers. And because is that is that there.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
Is a dog there's a free that are dog face
or baboon headed bag up the beast of seven shootes,
the beast of seven shoots in shoots a c h
u e is And that was a sighting that's up
in in.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
Quebec in a provincial park, the Seven Shoots Park.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
I have found those types in Owa, Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas.
Uh numbers numbers of places. But that is a third
type of planted grade booger, bigfoot type of beast.

Speaker 10 (01:46:54):
And you.

Speaker 8 (01:46:57):
And you said there or you said there's four types.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Is that is that your there's three types that I love.
There are three types that I know of of of
booger big foot type creatures. There's a type one, the
petty type, the type two, which is somewhat smaller Neanderthal
slash skunk ape type, and they're there's there's this type three,

(01:47:22):
which I think there's a possibility it could be what
some folks are calling a gugway or genoskua or something
like that. But they've got like a baboon head on them. Okay,
they've got they're baboon headed. They got sort of a
snout like a baboon.

Speaker 4 (01:47:41):
And they are definitely and yeah, the type ones. And
when these things move in the type ones and.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Type twos move out, they do not intermingle, and and
they don't ever other than one place down in a
place in Oklahoma I know of, in a place in
Texas that I know of. They these things are sort
of nomadic. They'll come into an area and stay there

(01:48:11):
for a year or two and then go on. And
every time they move into an area, the type ones
in type two is a normal bigfoot that we're used
to seeing.

Speaker 4 (01:48:21):
They leave ahead of time. They don't have anything to
do with these other guys. Now, the type what I.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
Call a type four or an actual dog man or
werewolf or whatever, an actual canine based beast. Now they
the type ones in type two. Bigfoot will hang around
where these are. And you know there's even people that

(01:48:50):
say they've seen them running together. I don't know about that.
I haven't perfectly seen it.

Speaker 8 (01:48:57):
Well, Greg, sorry, I was gonna ask you, go ahead,
I'll show no, No, you're good. I was just going
to ask Gregor quick, uh, the one he saw, the
first one on the road there, what what type was
that one?

Speaker 10 (01:49:14):
Roger? The ones, all all four of the ones that
I've got really really good looks at, you know, and
I told you you and I talked today. You know,
I've caught glimpses. I've seen parts and pieces of stuff that, yeah,
that's what it was, but I couldn't see like a
real good sighting. But I've had four now. The ones

(01:49:34):
that I've saw here have always have all been like
the top one, like the Patterson, like Paddy. I mean
that that's the closest I can describe what I've seen.

Speaker 8 (01:49:44):
So and we're all of those the same black black
colored Roger.

Speaker 10 (01:49:49):
Everything I've seen has been blacker than black I'm talking about,
like I tell people ink black. It's it's like it's
so black, it's like it absorbs a lot to it. Now,
the one at Alan, the one that Alan saw right
here at my porch, you know, he was thirty feet
away from it, and uh, you know where he marked

(01:50:09):
it on a tree. That one was about it was
at least nine foot. But he said that one was
more of a gray color, and he said it had
had a few spots on it that was like white
be like a little patch of white hair here and
on its arm and then over here. It had four
or five different places, but it was more of a

(01:50:30):
gray color or dingy gray color. And we actually kind
of come up with a theory on what the white
spots was. Misty's the one that came up with that said,
you know a lot of times you could have a
dog that if it got injured, you know, like it
got hurt, you know, something that got cut real band
a lot of times it would make the hair and
that where that injury was white. And that's what we

(01:50:53):
got wanted about that one. If that's what the little
spots over it where it was like he said it
would this be it'd been like a short line or
a round spot. It'd be like a tough of white hair,
just no white air out of it.

Speaker 9 (01:51:06):
But I used to see that and the horses and
lamas and all kinds of stuff at the bets office
that that would happen. White spot. You're like, oh, old injury.

Speaker 10 (01:51:18):
Yeah, Greg.

Speaker 4 (01:51:19):
The one that crossed the road in front of me
right there below your place was gray, if you remember
it was. It was a j gray and and uh
and old uh. The one we called Oden out.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
Here on our on our farm that we saw a
bunch of times, it was gray, whereas all the rest
of them I've seen out here we're black.

Speaker 10 (01:51:41):
And uh yeah, I wanted but I meant to ask you.
I meant to ask you today when we was talking
to them, if you hadn't seen Odin in a while?
Have you? No?

Speaker 4 (01:51:51):
I have not seen Odin since since uh October, year
before last.

Speaker 10 (01:51:58):
Yeah. That and that's that's the one that's on Town's
farm that we're pretty sure is blonde and one eye
because he's got pictures of it that one eye and
be red and one that i'd be white.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
The reflection reflection yeah yeah, yeah, uh yeah, And and
they're not shaped the same. I've got a I've got
a good, fairly close up, well zoomed in as best
as I could picture of him and his his his
it's his right eye is definitely it's. It's it reflects white,

(01:52:36):
and it looks bigger than his left eye, which reflects red,
and it's odd shaped. The outline of it is funky.
It's like his eyes been smashed or something's happened to it.
You uh, But I've got several good pictures of his,
of his of his eye, his his eye shine yeah,

(01:52:57):
and Dale, Dale Boswell, we did some really good enhancement
on one of my pictures and you can actually see
a little bit of his face and it looks.

Speaker 4 (01:53:06):
Like he's been hitting the face with something. He's he's
got a big split down.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
Right beside right, coming across his forehead and coming down
the side of his nose.

Speaker 4 (01:53:17):
Beside his nose.

Speaker 8 (01:53:20):
Do you think he was an older, older male that
was pushed out of a clan or whatever you call him.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
That's that's actually I think at a young age he
got into some kind of a fight and he's about
he was about nine and a half feet tall, but
he looked like a wookie.

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
He never got real thick through the shift or our
chest and or wide through the shoulders like most of
the big males do.

Speaker 10 (01:53:49):
And he and.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
I saw him a bunch of times over you know,
two or three year time, and he almost all was
with juveniles. And we saw him out one time with
some juveniles and they were sneaking up on some deer
over here on the back of the farm.

Speaker 4 (01:54:10):
And he was he was trying, he was teaching them
how to hunt. And I think that because of the
way he was made.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
I wondered if he didn't get in a fight when
he was young and maybe had his testicles torn off,
and so he didn't have that nestosterone to.

Speaker 4 (01:54:28):
Mass up and bulk up like a woman would.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
And anybody stayed around with the troop and sort of
was a was a buddy in sort of a teacher
to the little ones because.

Speaker 10 (01:54:40):
All the.

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
You know, probably you know, nineteen times out of twenty here.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
Or nine times out of ten when I saw him,
he would always have little ones with him, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:54:57):
Juve, So he would probably be less aggressive even more
if that what happened to him. Yeah, okay, yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (01:55:04):
Our alpha, the alpha that was here.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Then when when when Odin was here, he got his
butt whipped April of last year in the in the
alpha of the troop. The next troop east of us
tied up in April, about the time that they start migrating,
And there was a really bad fight.

Speaker 4 (01:55:26):
That I listened to. I sat out on a porch
and listened to it for ten fifteen minutes.

Speaker 9 (01:55:32):
And which is interesting because this comment just came in.

Speaker 4 (01:55:36):
I absolutely have heard them fighting, but I've never seen them.
I saw them.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
I saw two fighting one time at a distance through
the woods, and I just got glimpses. And now they
were tearing They were tearing the dadgum woods up, I
mean tearing them up. And they were ripping trees five
six inches in diamond or out of the ground and
throw them at each other.

Speaker 8 (01:56:01):
Did did they sound primate? Is like when primates get
all worked up and stuff? Did it sound like that?

Speaker 4 (01:56:06):
Or yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
And a lot of roaring, a lot of screaming, a
lot of believe it or not, a lot of chests beating,
and uh, I've heard several times. I've heard them make
noises like a gorilla cupping their cupping their hands and
beating their chest, right, I've heard that numbers of times, and.

Speaker 4 (01:56:27):
Yeah, but you know it's uh. I know I was
up and I was up in.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
A deer stand when when these two they were fighting, uh,
probably about seventy five eighty yards away from me through
uh you know, and this this was some some old
cutover that had grown up, and the the trees had
you know, the trees had gotten a pine up. They'd

(01:56:57):
killed killed out most of the briars in the underbrush.
And so you know, even though eighty yards doesn't sound
like very much, there was still a lot of a
lot of thick, thick tree, thick brush and stuff between
me and them. And I just got glimpses of them.
And this is in the pretty cell phone days, and

(01:57:20):
I never carried cameras with me when I was deer hunting, right,
but you could be you can bet this whole fat
boy stayed his his butt up in that tree and
did and did not come down until way after they
finished up and left.

Speaker 8 (01:57:38):
Mm hmm. Do you have any advice people like uh,
I didn't see the whole question, Varia, I asked earlier.
You know, I think he lives with him. Do you
have any advice on how like Greg says, he always
tells that he accidentally made peace and they had y'all
hear this story, I promise you later. But they were

(01:57:58):
kind of in a standoff and and uh with him
and two other guys, and he did a loud whoop
and as loud as he could, and it's like the
thing was disappointed, like and just walked off. So are
they more are they more bluff than anything?

Speaker 6 (01:58:16):
Or uh?

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
That's a good question. I've seen some that I believe
that if I had made the wrong move that I
wouldn't be here, But I will have I have stopped
them charging me several times by just shining a shining

(01:58:41):
a flashlight in there in their face, you know, really
bright light, and they slam on the brake and throw
up their arm like that, and they'll scream at you
and yell at you. They might you know, throw throw
some rip a stepping up out of the ground or
something like that and sling it in your direction.

Speaker 4 (01:58:58):
But I've also.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
You've heard us talk about ap Road and Sammy Armstrong,
I had held off in broad daylight, held off three
of them by pointing shotguns at them. They absolutely positively
know what what firearms are.

Speaker 8 (01:59:20):
H and that's that's the last resort thing. They were
in bad spots when that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:59:30):
So we were in a bad spot. We had gotten
our gotten my truck where I had driven my truck down.

Speaker 4 (01:59:36):
A road we were trying to find. We were trying
to find the backside.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
Of the place where the booger would come across the
road and show himself during the daytime.

Speaker 4 (01:59:47):
It's what we were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
And it took us a long time to figure out
how to get in there, and say, my buddy Sammy
Armstrong finally figured it out. And the very first time
we drove down in the there, they had a very
bad reaction to that.

Speaker 4 (02:00:03):
They did not appreciate us being in their territory. I
have an area, and Greg's been in there with me.

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
I have an area here on the farm that my
mom used to call the Inner Sanctum or the Sanctum sanctorum,
which is the holy of holies. And during the fall
and up until late spring, we try not to go
in that area. That they have their little ones in
there and they don't appreciate you going in there. And

(02:00:34):
Greg and I went in there, and folks, here, what
about a year or so, Greg, And I'm very obvious
that we were not welcome. Yeah, yeah, this is in
the daylight. Yeah, I'm not going in in the dark
for sure, I know.

Speaker 9 (02:00:55):
And you said it was your mama who gave it
that name.

Speaker 4 (02:00:58):
My mom, Yeah, my mom. I used to call it
the inner sanctum or the Sanctum sanctorum.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
And that's where we had the worst, the worst incident
we've ever had out here on the farm that I've
ever ever been, you know, since I've been alive. And
the worst I've ever heard of happened because when we
had our sawmill, we had an order from there. There

(02:01:28):
used to be a big custom furniture company up outside
of Nashville called Dixon Furniture. They made really high grade
custom furniture and we had a and we cut furniture
grade hardwood to order, and we had an order for them.
I was I'm too young to remember for sure, but
it was something out on that area. There were remains

(02:01:50):
of old chestnut trees that had died during the chestnut
black that we were still cutting up.

Speaker 4 (02:01:57):
And uh, there were a.

Speaker 2 (02:01:58):
Bunch of those out on that ridge. And there's a
bunch of hickory large Hickory's. There's a bunch of huge
white oaks, huge red oaks, and even more huge chestnut.

Speaker 4 (02:02:10):
Oaks out there. And I know that we had an
order and they went out on that ridge cutting trees.

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
And I don't know what they did, the folks that
were running our saw mill that did that, but they
pissed them off. And they came up here that night,
and they were right out here, literally about seventy five
feet from where I'm sitting, and they were screaming and yelling.

Speaker 4 (02:02:38):
And the folks that were.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
Running the sawmill that went in there that got them mad.
They lived right across over here where my sister's place.

Speaker 10 (02:02:49):
Is now, and.

Speaker 2 (02:02:53):
They had seven coonhounds, and neither are rough, gamey old dogs,
old plot hounds and black and tans. They had a
couple of cana hulas and and uh, these are rough
old dogs, I mean gamey old dogs. And that booger
came up and started screaming right out here and trying
to get a gate open, and all those coon hounds

(02:03:15):
came roaring out from under out from under the porch
and off the porch, you know, you know, running over
there after that booger. And now this is back in
the day before we had air conditioning. And I'm laying
in my bed, you know, as a as a I'm
not quite three years old, but I still remember this vividly,

(02:03:35):
and uh, laying in the bed with the window open.

Speaker 4 (02:03:40):
You know, we got an.

Speaker 2 (02:03:41):
Attic fan going, you know, drawing the night area and
to you know, help keep the place cool. And and
you hear all these dogs going crazy. And we've been
hearing that booger screaming and yelling for a couple of hours, actually.

Speaker 4 (02:03:53):
Longer than that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:54):
Yeah, at least probably a couple of maybe two two
and a half hours had been screaming and raising cane
and getting slowly getting closer and closer. And finally it
gets to where this gate is out there, and it
was messing with the gate and rattling it and making
a bunch of noise. And that's when the dogs went crazy.
He went running out there, and you hear all this

(02:04:14):
god awful fight and the booger's roaring and the dogs
are are you know, fighting, And all of a sudden
you started hearing, you know, right in the middle of
all that, you started hearing dog Are you hear dogs
screaming in pain?

Speaker 4 (02:04:28):
And it got awful.

Speaker 2 (02:04:30):
And then I heard my grandfather start shooting his thirty
thirty out through the trees, through the tree tops, because
you could hear the bullets going ricocheting off, you know,
out through the air. And you know, he wasn't shooting
at the booger. He was being careful not to hit it.
But he was shooting the gun trying to scare it away, right.

(02:04:52):
And when that started, my dad jumped out of the
bed and grabbed his h He always kept a Browning
a five that would buckshott and slugs behind the door
of the bitter and he grabbed that in a big
o'd averetty flashlight and goes tearing out, jumps in the truck.
Hall's butt over there. And we can still hear a dog,
you know out there, you going.

Speaker 10 (02:05:14):
Like that.

Speaker 2 (02:05:14):
Now I heard Daddy shooting. He put that dog out
of his misery. But we went back over there.

Speaker 4 (02:05:21):
The next day.

Speaker 2 (02:05:22):
We heard a bunch of racket during the night, and
that family that ran the sawmill that had been back
over there cutting wood, they packed up in the middle of.

Speaker 4 (02:05:31):
The night and left moved out. Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
And then a nice big we had a nice big
two story house over there that you know that my
dad rented out and that's where they were living. And
they packed up and moved in the middle of the night,
and there was one dog left still alive. It had
killed six of the seven. And there were literally pieces

(02:05:56):
and parked dog all over the place. I'm talking about shoulder,
a whole front leg laying there just on the ground.
A body of a dog would here, there'd be a
head laying over here, the trunk of the dog just twisted.

Speaker 4 (02:06:10):
And I can show you pictures of cooties that have
killed that have.

Speaker 2 (02:06:13):
Been done that way, and it's just pieces of dogs
laying in about a fifty yard circle around around where
this happened. And my dad real fast, he took me
back home and wouldn't let me come out and and

(02:06:33):
uh uh.

Speaker 4 (02:06:36):
And they got over and cleaned up everything. But that
was the worst incident that's ever happened here on the farm.

Speaker 2 (02:06:43):
It's when they went over there and they they they
what they call they they violated the sanctum Saintaorum, right
and don't dead, don't went in there and somebody shot
at one of them, or don't know what they did,
but they got the bugger's majorly pissed off.

Speaker 8 (02:07:03):
That's something you do. Uh, real quick, I I we
made one mad and Uh when this thing huffed groud
and I heard the volume of air comis and nostrils,
I just I didn't know what to do. I was like,
oh my god, this thing is just out of sight pacing.

(02:07:25):
I called Greg. I said, do the pacing a circle.
This thing is mumbling and pacing in a circle and
throwing throwing big rocks and I can hear it, you know,
slapping trees and limbs and Uh. But when it finally
got we weren't responding like I guess it wanted. And
there was a little one screaming off in the distance.
We got all that on audio video.

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:07:44):
And but when it when it did that frustrated mad
and and and the coombo. I've told Greg several times
I have my son with me, and that's terrifying. Uh
when when they when they're mad. I luckily I had
there's one you were talking about, the beating of the chest.

(02:08:06):
Greg can tell you my son on the southern end
of the county where my son hunts and I do
a little bit, he called me and I told him
to call Greg because he was laying on the ground
about you know, he's hunting and he heard that beating thumping,
but he said it said it reverberated. I said, call Greg,
I don't know, and Greg was said, he you know,

(02:08:28):
you know you remember that phone call?

Speaker 10 (02:08:30):
Yeah, yeah, man, these things I've had them just like
what you're talking about. I've had them a bunch of
times come in and be like upset because I was
in there hunting, and you know, sometimes they would be belligered,
sometimes they wouldn't. And I've had them waft charge me,
run up, breaking limbs and breaking trees and run up and.

Speaker 4 (02:08:51):
Greg Greg, Greg's had him blow their nose on his
beard just about.

Speaker 10 (02:08:57):
I mean, that's about right. I mean, I'm I've had him.
I've had him run up and stopped enough that it
was shaking the ground. I was standing on their their
their footfalls. It was like being in a pasture and
horse or horse or cow run by and you could
feel the ground. John, I've had him run that close
to me a bunch of different times. And uh, these

(02:09:19):
things a being the thicket and it was like they
were walking just stomping, just like it was either going
back and forth or just kind of like small like
oval circles and just annihilating everything around it. It was
like they was it was like it was uprooting saplings,
breaking stuff off, and I mean it sounded like like
tree limbs or trees. It sounded like rifle shots going

(02:09:40):
off when they'd break them, and they'd be grom growling
and just grumbling. And I've had them, you know, it
sounded like a like a King Kong movie where it'd
just be like you hear, and it'd just get worse
and it just pound its chest and then it stumped

(02:10:00):
the ground and it breaks stuff. And this would go on,
you know, ten minutes, and I mean it's like, you know,
I'm standing here with a riff of one. I've got
to get get out of here. You know, this thing's mad.
I've got to leave, and you're scared to move. And
then it's dawning on you that that one's got my attention.
Where's the rest of them out? You're on a swivel

(02:10:21):
looking around the field and you're trying to get to
your vehicle to leave, and I've had them get between
me and my truck cut me off being able to leave.
That's when it got real bad. You know, I told people,
I said, I've heard these things scream and it you know, well,
I've told you all all y'all heard me talk about it.
But the bell of roars screamed half. It started off real,

(02:10:42):
real low deep sound and ramped all the way up
into the highest pitch scream you can imagine on one
breath of air that lasted forever. And it was the volume.
It was the volume of standing like you're facing a
train horn and the conductor holding the horn down. I
mean it was. It was hurting my eyes and part
of that pitch during that sound would burn my vision.

(02:11:04):
It was like it would vibrate my eyeballs and my
vision would blur and then it would be like I
could say fine, and my vision would get borried for
three four seconds, and as the sound kept going, my
vision would clear back up. I mean it, it's it's
you can't explain it, explain it to anybody that's not
witnessed some of the things that people like us have seen.

(02:11:26):
You can't do it justice. There's no way to put
it in words right now. Man.

Speaker 2 (02:11:31):
You actually, when they're doing their when they're doing some
of these screams or doing or blessing you really hard.

Speaker 4 (02:11:38):
With infra sound.

Speaker 2 (02:11:40):
One of the frequencies that they passed through is the
resonant frequency of your eyeballs. We've had a good researcher
friend of ours got hit by by this researching over
there in Georgia, not very far from you, Amanda. Interesting
detect it was. I was strong, it detached is Rettena,

(02:12:03):
Oh my gosh, shinding one r Yeah, and Amanda got.

Speaker 8 (02:12:09):
Amanda got knocked down by screen, didn't you basically more.

Speaker 11 (02:12:13):
Or less, Yeah, I was running away so fast. I
can't remember honestly if I tripped or just you know,
lost my footing. But in the moment of that half tumble,
half you know, was then the roar that hit me.
But it was from behind. And it was interesting how
you said that there, Greg, because what I distinctly remember
about the roar that hit me is it did it

(02:12:34):
started out really low and then went up did not
super super high, but it did was.

Speaker 9 (02:12:41):
Up really high like that. So that was very What
is our new work, Roger Synchronicities that night already.

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
I've got a recording. It's one of the few that
the that when my computers have been zapped. It's one
of the few that that I've managed to be able
to recover. But I've got a I've got a we
call it a siren call that I got it from.

(02:13:11):
This particular one I got from used to have one
that M. K. Davis had come up with somewhere that
was just utterly fantastic. It lasted about forty seconds, this
particular one thirty five or forty seconds. The one I
have I got from a couple of guys up in Kentucky,
and it's about twenty five seconds something like that. And

(02:13:35):
I tell you what, as loud as that thing is,
I wouldn't have wanted to been there right there when
that thing when that recording was made. I mean, it
is ungodly loud. It's the second loudest call, the recorded call,
that I've ever come across. It's the loudest being what

(02:13:57):
we call the Alabama t Rex call that happened down
here in Alabama. That was an answer to one of
my calls. And we didn't even have any idea that
they were even close. I actually did it being a
jerk and just messing with some folks.

Speaker 4 (02:14:16):
And what we didn't know was there was.

Speaker 2 (02:14:19):
An alpha bugger standing about ten feet away from these
people that were putting up some tents standing right behind
a big goat tree. And it absolutely, I mean it,
it totally uh traumatized two families.

Speaker 10 (02:14:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:14:39):
When I did that that, I was screamed screamed back,
and then the female started calling all the little ones
to her and leading them off. I'm gonna try to
play that, play those two calls there at the at
the Cryptid conference.

Speaker 4 (02:14:59):
I can get myself cool. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:15:02):
Man, back on the conference, Roger Man, I'm looking forward
to it. I mean, as far as I know, you're
gonna have you're on the squatching Hollid table. And now
don't have the walkers not out the table. Next year,
Combo's they speaking, They're gonna have a pretty good lineup
of people speaking.

Speaker 8 (02:15:19):
I think, yeah, he's gonna your table. Coombo will probably
be across from us in that line that they put
everybody in the speakers. Then you may be you may
be close maybe close to m K and uh so
y'all all have your tables. The guy, now, if I'm
correct me, if I'm wrong, the guy that analyzed Ron
moorehead Sierra Sounds, is he going to be there?

Speaker 11 (02:15:40):
Uh yeah, Scott Nelson, he's supposed to be there looking
at the poster and yeah, the lineup that they got
there is really good.

Speaker 2 (02:15:48):
Yeah, I'll tell you what there is. There is a
there is a deal on. I don't know if it's
on they I think it's still on the Sierra Sounds.
But back when they were when was putting all that together,
he gave a few of us from some beta beta
copies of the of the Sierra Sounds CDs, and boy,

(02:16:10):
there was.

Speaker 4 (02:16:11):
Some wild stuff on that one.

Speaker 2 (02:16:13):
I don't know if he I don't know what I've
ever listened to to the actual one that he's released,
and I don't know.

Speaker 8 (02:16:23):
I heard him say. I heard him say one time,
you know where people say, well they're all too clear whatever,
and he said, well, well, when they put the recordings
out for the public, they enhanced it, so you know,
it all sounds the same, sounds closer, you know. But uh,
that I remember the first time hearing hearing that, Uh,

(02:16:43):
the first time I ever heard that. Uh you know,
I I've learned to go with my gut, and it
was you know, I've heard it a million times now
so that you know that effects gone. But the very
first time, uh, was terrifying, you know, because you put
yourself in their place, and you know they may just
make shift place to sleep in out of logs and whatever.

(02:17:04):
And he said they didn't know whether they're going to
come in and kill them or whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:17:07):
So yeah, Roger, that one he's carrying on, like what
Greg was talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:17:14):
That got to realize this that was recorded back in
the freaking eighties and for sure in the nineties. You know,
we had the beta version of Cira sounds back in
the late nineties, and for them to have that happening
going on right there at them like that, I mean soundly,

(02:17:36):
just like what Greg was describing all that, you know, right,
you know that you know when I was we called
it the Tasmanian devil, you know, the Samurai chatter, but
the best thing in sound the taz On Warner Brothers.

Speaker 8 (02:17:57):
Exactly.

Speaker 10 (02:17:58):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I had I had those. I
had those two from where I'm sitting, about a mile
and a quarter of New South from where I'm sitting
right now. That evening I was in there deer hunting.
I had those two walk in on me. As one
came in and then about twenty minutes later another one

(02:18:20):
walked up, went straight to where that one was at,
and that one I could hear it. I heard it
pick a log up off the ground and throw it.
And that log wound up about twenty feet long, and
it was bigger around than a five gallon bucket. That
log was. That log was at least twenty inches through,
and it was a ole log. And it picked up
and tossed it. I already hit the ground a roll

(02:18:42):
and hit another tree. But I could hear that thing
raking through the soft soil under that where that log was,
and I still believe that the thing was getting worms
and grubs under that. But I heard that other one
walk by peel it walked straight to where that one was,
and when it got there with it, man, what I
heard would blew the Sierra sounds out of the water.
I listened to these things for the butter part of

(02:19:04):
ten minutes talking, and I'm talking about less than one
hundred feet, not yards with feet from me, and they
were just over the crown, just over the crown of
the hill, and I was afraid. I was trying to
get out of there, and I was afraid if I
stood up that they was going to see me, and y'all,
I like stayed hunker down and duck walk for probably

(02:19:24):
forty yards till I got some distance, a little further distance,
and then I took off. But y'all, I heard them,
and I tell people it was like one hundredcent. It
was a language.

Speaker 13 (02:19:35):
One hundred It was a language, but it was more
like a like a foreign language, like it was part
of it was kind of a native American sound to it,
but it was like like a lot of times, like
when I go order Chinese food to ate a lot,
it's like when the when the woman writing.

Speaker 10 (02:19:53):
My water down, she looks around to do cooking, and
it sounds like she hates him. You know. They're like
real sharp and abrupt, and it's like out in it. Yeah,
I had a lot of that to it, but it
was it was like a foreign language. And I was
hearing the two different voices. It's like when one voice
would quit, there wasn't very much of a pause, and
you'd hear the other voice and it was just super quick.

(02:20:15):
Like I mean, in my mind, it's like their face
to face mad and they're arguing, and I'm hearing these
two voices, and yeah, it was loud. I don't mean,
it was like hard for.

Speaker 3 (02:20:25):
Me to hear.

Speaker 10 (02:20:26):
Uh No, it was loud and it was just quick.
It was. But if if I, if I had any
way to record it at y'all, it would have won
the internet. And all I was worried about was getting
me out of there and me living. I wasn't worried
about recording nothing.

Speaker 5 (02:20:42):
I was.

Speaker 10 (02:20:43):
I knew I was in a bad way and I
had to I had to be gone. But yeah, that
but the Sierra sounds, some of that was a lot
like what I heard right here. And this is north
Alabama and that was where Colorado, Wyoming or somewhere out there,
wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (02:21:01):
Yeah, it was in the mountains.

Speaker 10 (02:21:09):
That's where the name came from. Yeah, I look what
I heard here that I mean, I've heard, I've heard
more than just that, but that it was so close
and so loud. Yeah, it was. It was absolutely amazing.
But it wasn't just like dogs barking to one another.
It wasn't just like mumbles. It was more like a language,

(02:21:33):
and it was it was like a reply and then
a reply to that reply, and it was back and
forth and back and forth and back and forth, and
it sounded I mean Honestly, I got like, well, that
must have been it's mate because they're married, the way
they're acting.

Speaker 11 (02:21:50):
I just had a thought to I wonder if, because
you said it sounded similar to this, yere sounds not
exactly right. I wonder if it maybe if just like
a people, you know, especially here in the United States,
uh us down here with our southern accents and our
dialect is a little bit different than you know, somebody

(02:22:11):
else saying you know, BC or California even or anything.

Speaker 9 (02:22:15):
So it's just around.

Speaker 10 (02:22:19):
Amanda. It was actually it was. It would repeat. It
was almost like a broke record. It was like it
get it would get stuck on a syllable. It would
and I'll do a horrible I'll do a horrible uh
impersonation of it. But it was like it would go hey,
y'ah yeah yeah yeah, oh oh yeah, well, and then

(02:22:42):
the other voice would be different. He'd be real quick
going what how y oy yah yeah, and then the
other one to go right back. And it was like
back and forth and back and forth, back and forth.
And I'm sitting there like, well, I mean, you couldn't
say it from ink right now, just me doing that,
I've got goosebump broke out every work. But I mean
it was, y'all, I'm listening to that in the middle

(02:23:04):
of the woods in the Bankhead National Forest in North Alabama.
Stuff like that. It wasn't supposed to be there, And
you know, I'm I'm hearing it and by himself. Yeah,
and I'm alone, and I'm two three hundred yards down
the side of the mountain. I got to go back
up to get to the truck. And the bad thing

(02:23:26):
it wasn't gun season. I had a crossbow in my lap,
but I also had a I had a three fifty
seven magnum under my arm and the shoulder hoaster that
before I ever moved, I done pulled it out at
it in one hand a crossbow on the other one,
and I didn't know what was gonna happen. But y'all,
I snuck out of there as softly and quietly as

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I could. And I'm telling you, I'm six foot one,
and I was afraid if I stood completely up that
where these things were. It was just went out of
the green field into the hard world. It's in the
hardwoods was really open, but it rounded off the hill
down to the river, and they were just over the
crown of that hill, and I was absolutely terrified that

(02:24:10):
if I stood up, they was going to at least
see the top of my head and go, humph, there's
something's not supposed to be there. And that was that
was a traumatic That was a traumatic time in my
life because it was unreal what I heard. I mean,
it was it was crazy. But that's I've heard it

(02:24:34):
other times, but never that long and never that loud.
It was always you know, it sounded like a lot
further distance, but but that, I mean, that was it
was right on top of me.

Speaker 8 (02:24:47):
Well, y'all, we're almost at two thirty and I pro
the two hours and thirty minutes. I promised Kombo we
wouldn't go six hours this time, and we were all right,
well we can. We can wrap it up and we
will y'all come back sometime.

Speaker 10 (02:25:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:25:14):
Yeah, because I got that that, I've got to meet
y'all as much as it can be. I've got I've
got to start picking your brains now.

Speaker 10 (02:25:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:25:21):
So thank y'all for being our first, our first guest
on the new platform, and we really appreciate everybody. Uh
go check out Woodwalkers.

Speaker 4 (02:25:32):
And night Owls.

Speaker 8 (02:25:34):
Google Tim Cuombo Baker and you will have content to
watch for months.

Speaker 10 (02:25:40):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:25:40):
He's been at this long time. There's some really good, uh,
really good shows he's been on. And we just thank you,
thank you. I thank you, sir.

Speaker 4 (02:25:50):
You can punch in Cumbo Bickfoot or Tim Baker Big
absolutely anything about any way you can think of.

Speaker 8 (02:25:59):
Yeah, and I want to personally thank y'all for y'all's help,
because you know, y'all, y'all helped me tremendously, like talking
and you know, it's like therapy. And the people, the
new people that's been exposed to these two, this is
the tip of the iceberg. Go watch some of their
go watch some of their stories. Yeah, and we don't

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have an outro for tonight. We're just gonna end it, Amanda. Uh,
stay you can stay with me. We've got some stuff
to do afterwards. Greg, you can stay if you want
to Combo get you some sleep, sir. And I appreciate you.

Speaker 9 (02:26:33):
Yes, thank you guys so much.

Speaker 4 (02:26:37):
I guess I'll see you here in what about eight days?

Speaker 8 (02:26:40):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, I'm go looking forward to it.

Speaker 10 (02:26:43):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (02:26:44):
Greg and y'all if y'all can make it. Uh, this
is the third year. It's grown every year, and and
Greg and I had so much fun last year. We've
talked about it on shows, and there's a lot of
people coming that we know that we're that we're looking
forward to seeing and uh uh, you know it's it's
it's a good time. I'm partial, but I had more

(02:27:05):
fun there than I did it at the big one
over in Gatlinburg because I knew more people.

Speaker 10 (02:27:10):
So but anyway, Roger, I don't know if I told
you or not, but right there in Chimp, there's my
everybody every I'll say mine, but it's everybody now, it's
everybody's at Verbie.

Speaker 4 (02:27:20):
Ye, she's done.

Speaker 10 (02:27:22):
She's done buck Rooms. He heard her son Barrier going,
I'll be there.

Speaker 9 (02:27:27):
Well, we have to tell really sweet I love them both.

Speaker 8 (02:27:31):
We'll have to tell the story sometime about she didn't
know you knew Cumbo and she was a big Cumbo fan. Yes,
all right, everybody, Thank y'all, Thank you to the new people.
Next week, same time, same day, we're gonna do Ashley,
a man that's going to be with me. We're gonna
do a get to know Us show where we come

(02:27:51):
from some of our stories and it's gonna be really relaxed,
and we hope to see y'all then, and uh, thank
you so much. We'll see you guys later. M glad,
good night everybody. Thank you very much, all right, thank
you so yeah we go. Thank you, I guess sir
I