Talking Weird #161 Dogman Goblins and More with Monica Rawlins

Monica Rawlins is the creator and host of *Our Paranormal World*, a podcast that dives deep into ghost stories, cryptids, and the mysteries that lurk just beyond the edges of the map. A lifelong researcher of the strange and unusual, Monica has been passionately investigating Bigfoot since 2002, blending curiosity, skepticism, and a dash of humor into everything she does. Whether she’s exploring Native American legends for her writing, chasing down eerie historical accounts, or swapping spooky tales with guests, Monica brings a storyteller’s heart and a researcher’s persistence to the weird and wonderful world of the unexplained.

Visit Monica's Our Paranormal World Youtube channel here:
https://www.youtube.com/@MonicasParanormalWorld

Monica visits with Talking Weird to share some of her own spooky experiences with paranormal beings, from Dogman to goblins! She'll also chat with Dean about some possible explanations for the wide range of entities haunting our planet, and ponder about their possible point of origin and purpose.

This is a creepy and fascinating episode that you do not want to miss!

Monica and Dean will also be talking about this weekend's Crossing Realms conference, that takes place September 19-20, in Richmond, Missouri. They will be there, and Dean will be screening his multiple award-winning short documentary THE SHAVER MYSTERY, as well as speaking about some of the later aspects of the "mystery" not covered in the film.

Tickets to Crossing Realms available here:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/crossing-realms-conference-tickets-1086549913039

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The paranormal Zufos, Youngsters, mysteries that you're listening to Talking
Weird and know from a Kevin deep in the northwards
your host, Doctor.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Dean Bertram, Greetings of my fellow widows and widows. Welcome

(00:45):
to Talking Weird on the Untold Radio Network. I'm your host,
Dean Bertram, and as always I'm delighted that you've just
decided to spend the next hour or so of your
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(01:05):
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show is carried on, along with all the other fantastic
shows of the Untold Radio Network, which I would also
encourage you to listen to. They're all fantastic regardless. Welcome.

(01:28):
The fall is here, as some of you are probably aware,
in the Northern Hemisphere, I harvested half of my potato
crop today. On the weekend, I harvested a whole bunch
of my plums and handed them over to my wonderful girlfriend, Samantha,
who is in the process of turning them into jelly
or jam or whatever you guys in the US call it.
We always call it jam. In Australia, I think you

(01:51):
call it jelly. Here jelly, there was your jello. So
I always get confused to what is jam and what's jelly? Anyway,
I'm sure, I'm sure it doesn't really matter. It's tastes
good anyway. I'm also busy because I'm getting ready to
go to Crossing Realms and our guest tonight is one
of the organizers of the spectacular event, which we're going

(02:11):
to talk about in a minute. She's also the creator
and host of Our Paranormal World, a podcast that dives
deep into ghost stories, cryptids, and the mysteries that lurk
just beyond the edges of the map. A lifelong researcher
of the strange and unusual, she has been passionately investigating
Bigfoot since two thousand and two. Wow That sometime blending curiosity, skepticism,

(02:34):
and a dash of humor into everything she does. Whether
she's exploring Native American legends for her writing, chasing down
eerie historical accounts or swapping spooky tales with guests, she
brings a storytellers heart and a research is persistent to
the weird and wonderful world of the unexplained. So I
am delighted to welcome to Talking Weird Monica Rowland's greetings.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Monica, Hello, how are you?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I'm good. It's great I finally get to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
You as well. I'm so excited. Thank you for having
me on.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Became very highly recommended. Our mutual good friend Jason MacLean
was like, you've got to get Monica on.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Jason's wonderful he is.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, I used to because I know if you ever
watched the show we used to do together until Mysterious Library,
it was so much fun.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
I don't know that I've seen that. There's so many podcasts.
It's hard for me to keep track of them.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
I know the space is really loaded.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
It is, And you know, since I've been doing this
for so long, I've been into podcasting off and on
since oh goodness, two thousand and eight, nine ten. Like
back when talk show or talk shoot radio, I forget
what it was called. It was so long ago.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Well, blog talk radio.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
We'll talk.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
That was it. I never had a show on that,
but I guessed it on people shows on.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Below, did you okay? Yeah? I used to have the
Gray Area with a friend of mine. We had our
own podcast on podcast.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
And that was paranormal.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
It was Yeah, it dealt with aliens, Bigfoot. It was
probably more Bigfoot Center, just because we were both researchers,
but we welcomed everybody's point of view, just as I
do on my current show.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, that's good. I think there's so many different ideas
within the paranormal space, and none of us really know anything. Ultimately.
We all like to pretend that our theory is somehow
you know better than somebody else's, But at the end
of the day, who really knows? Before we go down
into the deep dark corners of cryptozoology and paranormal investigations
and everything else, which I'm looking so forward to. What

(04:38):
I thought I might do is I'll play a trailer
for Crossing Realms, which is this coming weekend, so September
nineteen to twenty, in Richmond, Missouri. I always want to
say Richmond, Virginia for some reason, but Richmond was obvious reasons.
That's the more. I suppose well known Richmond, but it's Richmond,
missourra and I'll play the trailer which was made by
Doug Hydchek, who's the head of this netw because I

(05:00):
believe the Untold Radio Network is one of the main
sponsors of the event that you and a wonderful cadre
of people are putting together. So apply the days a
trailer and then we can come back and chat about that.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Sounds wonderful.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Crossing Realms Conference is coming this September nineteenth and twentieth
to the Eagleton Civic Center in Richmond, Missouri. Tickets to
this landmark event are on sale right now at event bright.
The powerful speaker lineup will cover topics from Bigfoot, UFOs
and aliens, so you will not want to miss attending
this amazing two day inaugural event. Again, that's the Crossing

(05:32):
Realms Conference this September nineteenth and twentieth at the Eagleton
Civic Center in Richmond, Missouri. Please mark your calendar and
get your tickets before they vanish.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Space looks fantastic.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
I'm so excited. It's been a year's worth of planning
for all of us and probably actually I think it
was a little more than a year. And it's just
such an exciting event because so many of our listeners,
because all of the people that hosting we all have
our own podcasts, right, we all have our own YouTube channels,

(06:06):
and we have regulars in our chats, and so many
of those people are going to be coming to the event.
And I know, I am extremely excited to meet everybody
in person, not just our chat members, but also the speakers,
because I haven't met everybody in person, such as yourself
and even the organizers. I haven't met Paranormal Paul in

(06:29):
person yet. And I know some of our special guests
that are coming I've spoken to, I've been on their podcast,
but we haven't met in person. So I'm very excited
to meet everybody, as am I.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I always encourage people just in general. Of course I
want them to come to this one, So I'm going
to be there. Anybody who's a listener of this show
can come and see my short film The Shave, a
mystery which you've heard me rant about now for some time,
and then listen to me talk about more parts of
the mystery which aren't covered in the film. Parts of
the Shavin mystery. But there's something wonderful about paranormal conventions

(07:06):
and conferences or film festivals or whatever you're into, because
my background is somebody who runs film festivals. Because all
of a sudden, you're removed from your day to day
life and you're in this space where everybody shares the
same interests as you do, and that's so rare in
our day to day life. Particularly if your niche, like
if you like making independent film, or you're really into

(07:26):
big food, or you're really into the paranormal or whatever.
People might have the vague interest in it. You might
have one or two friends in your local area are
into it. But to be in an area, to be
in a space for a weekend where everybody shares that passion,
it really can lead to lifelong friendships. Most of my
best friends on this planet are now people that I've
met at film festivals and some at paranormal conventions as well.

(07:48):
Because you have this immediate bond with people, they're very
friendly places. So anybody who's on the fence about oh,
should I go to Crossing Realms or not, you should
totally go to Crossing Realms.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
So you should absolutely come to Crossing Realms for sure
this weekend. But I would encourage you to go to
any paranormal conference, whether it's UFOs, it's a mix of ours,
is a mix of everything, right, and it's such a
safe space to discuss your viewpoints and you don't get
that side eye like you might get just talking in public.

(08:20):
Of course, but if you go to bigfoot centric events,
they're not always very open to the paranormal aspect of it.
But if you go to a conference where there's a
little bit of everything, you're going to be welcome with
open arms by everybody, and nobody's going to look at
you like you've grown an arm out of your forehead.

(08:41):
They're all of a like mind, and that's so refreshing
and comforting.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I couldn't agree with you more. And that might be
a good jumping off spot for our own conversation tonight,
because you're somebody who has your feet both in the
bigfoot world as well as in the paranormal world, and
that is failyue. There aren't a lot of people. There
are some, but they weren't a lot who traversed that
kind of gap. Can you maybe talk a little bit

(09:06):
about what led you to being in both of these spaces.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
So my whole life, I have been interested in the
paranormal what's now known as cryptids. They weren't cryptids back
when I was a kid in the seventies and the eighties.
They were just monsters, right, And that was something that
I had always since I can remember, had a very
deep seated interest in and I was fortunate enough to

(09:35):
have a grandfather that encouraged it, and my grandparents were
a very big part of my upbringing. I grew up
in northern California, so of course there's the Bigfoot stories
that go around there, and my grandfather saw my interest
in it. As a child, I used to write short
stories about the Lockness Monster and Bigfoot, and of course

(09:56):
they were ridiculous, but he saw that I had an
interest in and he very much encouraged it. And I'm
fortunate in that that I didn't have parental figures in
my life that hampered that, that dampened my interest. That
they very much encouraged it. And growing up there, of
course you hear the stories. We would vacation in Southwest

(10:21):
Oregon and it was a pretty remote town and we
had a lot of strange or I at least had
a lot of strange experiences over the summers there with
my cousins, and that deepened my interest in Bigfoot and
the paranormal. I really can't say what it was specifically
that drew my interest to it. I can just say

(10:42):
that it's something I have pursued my whole life. It's
something that I read up on. I read all that
I can on hauntings here, hauntings there. I'm well versed
in the fay, specifically the Celtic versions and the English versions,

(11:03):
cryptids from all over the world. If it's odd, if
it's weird, it's just something that has interested me.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, now you had me at Faye because it's my
after euthology, which is my wheelhouse. As anybody who watches
this show knows, my second key interest, perhaps other than
Ray Palmer and Richard Shave and the Darro and the
Ttero and the Shave of mystery, which everybody's sick of
me talking about. But that's a more recent passion. I've
been long interested in the fair I've been long interested

(11:31):
in the she, the fair folk, the good nighbors, and
I think therein lies some of the secrets to the
paranormal in general. Those things seem to intersect with every
I mean literally, they so clearly intersect with euthology when
you look at adduction accounts and the way people experience

(11:52):
the other world, fairy, the fairy world when they go
there is and into bigfootlaw, as well as Joshua Cutchen
and Timothy Renner in their Wonderful two book series where
the footprints and they make comparisons to things that the
fair folk do to things that bigfoot do. So there's
something about that. I say mythology, not being dismissive, but

(12:13):
I suppose what it is. It's this belief system with
these mythic these mythic tones to it. There is something
about the fay and about the old fairy faith that
I think we could learn a lot today, as people
living in the modernity or pre modernity, about how to
engage these things, because there was a lot of things
and maybe you can talk a little bit about it,

(12:34):
there was a lot of structure in the old fairy
faith in how you should deal with the fairies and
what you should and shouldn't do, and how you should
behave if you encountered them. I think we've lost all
of that as a culture. This how you're meant to
interact with the other.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Well, I mean there was always the helpful fay around
the house, right, you want to if you want to
gain the favor of the fay, you would leave like
symbols of milk. You'd leave a little bit of bread
in the window, sill uh. And they loved milk. They
would actually get drunk on milk, right, So they loved that.
If you had like a house faye or a house goblin, right,

(13:11):
they would help you around the house. But in return,
like there's always a flip side to it. They're never
kind with no expectation from you. They expect a tit
for tat kind of agreement. And if you did happen
to employ whether you intentionally or not, but if you

(13:32):
did happen to have a house faye who was or
goblin that and they're all the same thing. I think
a lot of people don't understand that. The goblins and
you know gnomes, those are all faye. It's all in
that bubble. And if you happen to have one of
these in your house, they would expect payment once a
year in the form of they were able to eat

(13:54):
a member of the house. Right, And you could get
around that by saying, well, this glass broke, this happened,
the room wasn't clean enough. You didn't do something. I asked,
like there were things that maybe happened around the house
that you could say was their fault. They were they're
there to prevent that from happening, and they didn't do
their job, so therefore they're not going to get paid.

(14:17):
I personally wouldn't enter any packed snowingly with fay, but
that's just one piece of the folklore. And I know
that the Nordic the barn elves, the barn nomes, the niece.
They would help out around the barnyard and keep the

(14:39):
evil away and keep the harmful things away and make
sure everything flows well. But you know, they expect porridge
with butter specifically, and there's a very well known tail
where a farmer put the butter under the porridge, so
it wasn't readily, you know, with an evident when he

(15:02):
presented it to the little gnome, and he got mad.
The no one got mad and killed every animal in
the barnyard for revenge until he got to the bottom
of the bowl and realized the better was there. And
then brief yeah, yeah, I mean, they react viciously if
they feel like they're disrespected.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
In your many investigations in both the paranormal space, and
we'll talk about some of them a minute, and even
in Bigfoot in the Bigfoot realm, do you see parallels
with fairy faith or between them? Do you have you
felt parallels when you're investigating the paranormal with parallels when
you've been investigating Bigfoot? Do you think there's any connection

(15:47):
between this different phenomena.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
I do. When I hear accounts, you have to really
listen to what's going on. You know, somebody comes to
you with a haunting, or they're seeing shadows people, or
you know this or that is happening around their house.
You have to really take a step back and look
at the big picture because a lot of it is
very similar to Faye encounters, and how you would handle

(16:14):
a ghostly situation versus a Fay situation is different. It's
very different, and you have to have an open mind
to that because I feel if you if you treat
everything with the same medicine, you're not going to cure much.
So I really encourage people that are out there investigating

(16:35):
and even if they're starting to investigate, just take keep
your mind open because so many people, so many people
in these communities say, oh, well, I have an open
mind because they believe in one thing. But then you know,
in a very good example is the Bigfoot community, they
are very close minded often when it comes to paranormal
or what they call the WU, and that word drives

(16:56):
me up the wall. But what doesn't fit into a
very black and white box they're very dismissive of. And
that's not an open mind. That's not an open mind.
And I really think that that research can go so
much farther if you just keep like a truly open
mind and look at everything, not saying believe everything, but

(17:18):
at least you know, don't dismiss it immediately. Just listen,
hear it out, and you know, ask people that have
experience with fay or paranormal incidences. If you're out there
and it doesn't fit into your box, don't just immediately
dismiss it as they're crazy, they don't know what they're
talking about, or they don't know what they saw.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I think that's a problem that does span throughout the
broader fourty in realm. For lack of a lack of
a better term, and I think it's probably because people
are unculturated, often within their key or their pet interest.
So people who are k it in on Bigfoot often
go into that space with the cultural expectation which has

(18:06):
been laden from you know, years of television shows and
movies and everything else, that Bigfoot is some type of
North American eight that's undiscovered or a relics hairy homonid
or whatever else, and a euphology through years of science
fiction and years of UFO magazines and UFO shows and
everything else. There's an expectation that all of these things
must be you know, little green men, which sounds kind

(18:29):
of dismissive and I am being a little bit dismissive,
But extraterrestrials from some far distant Solar system traveling to
us in essentially tin cans, you know what I mean,
or you know, extraterrestrial vehicles, and people who go into
the paranormal realm are kind of laden with this cultural
expectation that these things must be the ghosts of you know,
great you know, departed, aren't Gertrude or something. So I

(18:52):
think people who go into just one space often carry
with them an awful lot of lot of cultural baggage,
and I think about that a little bit more. But
before we leave, the ferries too far behind, which again
is not my wheelhouse, but my second major interest in
the entire fortieth space, you have to tell me about
your Goblin story, which I know nothing about. But you

(19:13):
mentioned before when I was asking you just before the show,
what you know some of your background, like, yeah, well
I may have had a Goblin encounter, So can you
tell us a little bit about that?

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Certainly. So this took place in East Texas and I
was leading a weekend long excursion looking for Bigfoot, and
I had reserved a campground, or rather a space within
a campground that was remote, and the campground that we

(19:42):
stayed in not a lot of people know of. I
don't like to say where it was because it I've
had a lot of encounters at this particular place and
I don't want it overrun. But it is in East Texas,
and there's a main area where the campsites are located,
and then there's a little road and then another remote

(20:03):
campsite with five camp spaces within that. And I had
reserved the remote area and I was coming back pretty
late at night. It was late It was I can't remember,
probably two in the morning, somewhere in there, and I
was in the back seat of this vehicle and two

(20:23):
of the other researchers were in the front seat talking.
And as we're driving through the campground, they're great stretches
with no light. There's street lights, very widely spaced, and
we had just passed under one of the final street
lights heading down this little service road that connects to

(20:45):
the remote area that we have completely reserved just for us,
and I'm of course sitting there just looking out the
window and there's a significant amount of cut grass, and
then the porest starts abruptly. We're driving something, you know,
where the grass in the forest line meat. I see
movement and I'm thinking it's a raccoon or a possum.

(21:07):
It's pretty typical out here. And I focus in and
it is this humanoid creature, probably two feet tall if
I'm guessing, and it is just just walking straight, just walking.
I have a profile view of it and it's looking
straight ahead. It doesn't look at the vehicle, thank goodness,

(21:30):
and it looks like it looks like a gnome for
lack of a better word. It was four feet tall,
did not have a friendly face at all. I remember
it had deep lines and its face here. It had
a pretty pronounced nose and it pronounced browridge and it

(21:54):
was wearing very muted colors. I remember the cap was
a very faded muted, which was alarming to me. If
you know what a red cap is. I didn't immediately
connect to a red cap, but thinking on it later,
that's scary. And like I said, it was just walking
along where the mode grass area meets the forest, and

(22:19):
it was walking in the direction of our camp. It
was walking in the direction we were driving. And when
I see this, of course, I'm startled and I kind
of poke my head up between the two people in
the front seat and I'm like, do you see this
over here? Do you see what I'm seeing? And they just,
you know, everybody was tired. They just kind of said, no,

(22:40):
we don't see there. We didn't see anything, and she
was not driving slow. I looked back out the window
and I could still see movement still in the direction
we were going. As far as I know, it didn't
notice us because it did not look at me as
we were driving by, and I noticed it. But once
we got back to camp, I was terrifiedly because that

(23:04):
was it didn't leave me with a good feeling. And
I was the first camp site you would encounter if
you were coming into our camp down this road. And
I was sleeping in the back of my suv at
the time because it was just a couple of nights
and I didn't feel like setting a temp up and
it was a little chilly, and I remember crawling into

(23:26):
the back of my suv and you know, putting everything down,
pulling my sleeping bag up, and just praying that I
didn't have to go to the bathroom in the middle
of the night, and praying that I fell asleep very quickly,
because I was very concerned that I would wake up
in the middle of the night and that horrible little
face would be pressed against the window looking in on me.

(23:47):
And luckily that did not happen. I slept through the night.
But that is a lasting memory. That's not something you
easily forget.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I can't imagine it wouldn't be some thing you'd easily forget.
Interesting when I hear about folks in North America or
other non European countries who have an experience or a
contact with something which sounds very much like a creature
which we would associate with European folk traditions. I mean,

(24:23):
I have to ask the question because I think these
experiences are genuine. I think there's something there. But what's
your take? Do you think that do you think that
these things came physically somehow with us when we moved here,
or do you think things manifest where people who have
that cultural preconception are or do you think it's I

(24:44):
don't know. I mean maybe there's other alternatives as well.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Maybe you have a an excellent question. I think that
some some people brought them with them with their beliefs,
right the Cornish and the Welsh, and they have very
strong Fay traditions, and I think the belief sends out energy.
I'm a very strong believer in vibes, for lack of
a better term, vibes and energy, and what you put

(25:09):
out is what you attract. And if you're very your
family is very heavy into Fay lore and you very
much believe in these creatures, you're going to put that
vibe out that they're going to tune into and manifest
around you. Because I believe that Faye the Land is
a parallel universe or dimension or whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
To call it.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
And I believe that we have many of them just layered,
they're just stacked, and these creatures have the ability to
pop in and out of our reality and their reality.
And I think that that accounts for a lot of
the people that are abducted by Fay. They're brought into

(25:52):
Fay there, step into the fairy rings, whatever happens to them,
they're taken into that realm, and they experienced time differently.
And I think that it's the dimensional shift is what's
causing that you're hopping from one dimension to the other.
And so I could see where somebody who or whose
family or even just a personal belief is very strong

(26:14):
and they bring it over. But also the Native American
lore has the little people, and that's across almost every
tribe in the United States, and they are all described
very similarly. They are not friendly, they eat people, they
you're told to avoid them. I went on one Bigfoot
investigation up on the northern Oklahoma border and we were

(26:38):
on tribal lands, and before they turned us loose at night,
they said watch out for deer woman and don't follow
the little people, which they didn't have to tell me
that already knew it. I appreciated the one, so I
think that some are here. I think that that the

(26:58):
fay exists worldwide. There's going to be stories that are
very similar in most cultures. But I also believe that
if you've got a Welsh family that immigrated over and
you have those very strong beliefs and you know Jenny
Green Teeth and the red caps, that you're going to

(27:18):
attract that and there they'll come.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
It was interesting when you talk about them coming from elsewhere.
Like I tend to think whatever the most, so I'm
very dismissive of science anyways, anybody who watches this show knows.
But whatever the actual reality of whatever this is, I
think that's a great allegory. I think these things come

(27:42):
from somewhere else, like they intersect with our reality the fae.
But you think, for example, because I don't know what
your views on Sasquatch are, I suspect because you don't
like the term wo as you mentioned before that you
are open to alternative interpretations as I am. I'm very
I'm more dismissive of the more the North American ape

(28:07):
Who's undiscovered interpretation and something which is a little closer
to very faith. For example, when we look at big Foot.
But what's your interpretation? And I'd love to hear it, like,
do you think that that Bigfoot is similar to the
fae in the way that they interact and come do
you think they come in and out of another reality
as well?

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Or I think that it's possible. And I have to
I have to say that for a very long time,
I was very strictly flesh and blood and I would
not lean or even you know, entertain who. Uh. But

(28:47):
I've been interested in the paranormal and the fay and
you have everything else my whole life. And it really
you know, within the last several years, I had to
take a step back and be like, what a hypocrite
am I? Or I'm believing that, but I'm completely cutting
it off in this other investigation that I'm doing, And
that's ridiculous. That is just ridiculous of me to do.

(29:08):
And when you take a step back and you really
look at the different accounts and you're not just dismissing
the ones that people think are nuts, you do see
very similar things to Faye encounters. And I'm not sure
what to think there. I think that it's entirely possible

(29:29):
that they are a fay type creature and nobody just
wants to stick them into that category. I think also
that there were likely flesh and blood hominids at some
point that we're very and were oral traditions in some
tribes of the Sasquatch. Whether or not those are still here,

(29:50):
I don't know, but I think that there is likely both.
At some point you have a very flesh and blood thing,
but you also have something that's very much in that
fake category where they have the ability to cross over
in and out. And you know, a lot of people
associate Bigfoot with UFOs, and I do think that a

(30:10):
lot of UFOs and alien encounters are dimensional beings coming
through I don't think that they necessarily are coming from
interstellar space. I think that they're coming from parallel dimensions.
Somehow they have figured out how to change molecular structure
or their vibration or whatever it is that pierces this

(30:32):
veil and they are able to slide in and out
of our reality.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think there was I think there was a period
where in the seventies where what you just described had
a chance of becoming a sentence, and then it disappeared
again under this kind of physical weather, flesh and blood
in bigfoochery or nuts and bolts neuphology. Because everybody, I
guess in this probably listening to this show would be

(31:02):
aware of who Lauren Coleman is. Right, He's a great
grand He's one of the last great I suppose grandfathers
of cryptozoology or grandfather of maybe not great grandfather, but
grandfather of cryptosology, because you've lost Ivan Sanderson, and we've
lost a lot of other people of that generation. But
when he and Jerome Clark, who now is probably one
of the great elder statesmen of youthology, who wrote the

(31:24):
UFO Encyclopedia, which is now its fourth edition, and you know,
is often a go to person for you know the
reality of the UFO phenomenal. Although he's quasi step back
now he's talked about I think he's retired. But they
wrote two books back to back, back in I think
in the seventies, around the time people like John Keel
and Jacques Valet were writing. They wrote a book called

(31:45):
I Believe the Cryptozoology. One was called Creatures from the
Outer Edge, and they also wrote a book about the
UFO phenomenal I think, which is just called the unidentified.
But their point was that all of these things, whether
it was Bigfoot, or whether with spirits, or whether it
was you know, UFOs or probably the fee whatever, were

(32:06):
all manifestations. I wish I had the book in front
of me because I could quote it, which I did
not that that long ago on this show. They were
all manifestations of the one central phenomenon. So all this
phenomena came from one mechanism. And John Keel said similar things,
and Jacques Vallet said similar things. So the idea you

(32:27):
propose of them all coming from elsewhere, I think that's
probably as close as what we can get to any
any understanding of it personally, Like I do think all
of these things seem to manifest from elsewhere. They come,
they interact with us, they leave. We can never get
that final body or final you know, piece of the

(32:47):
saucer or final you know, aren't you know, unquestionable EVP
or whatever we're looking for because these things always seem
to come in and out and they play around with us,
and there's a tricks to Ashellem. So I have to
ask you, because you seem like you're almost to that point.
Have you ever thought that all of these things might

(33:08):
be the same thing, just manifesting differently in this reality.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
You know, That's not something that I had considered, but
I could see, like I'm not dismissing it, I could
see where that could be a possibility. If there was
a single source that these things are coming in and
out of, then it would make sense that it would

(33:35):
be the same thing or something similar, you know, just
manifesting however it pleases, because as we know, you know,
entities can manifest however they want, fake and glamour, and
they can manifest however they want. Who's to say that
Bigfoot couldn't do the same. I mean, you can't disprove that.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I actually think the glamour point you just made is
just the perfect fix analogy for a lot of this.
But all of these things seem to I honestly think
they seem to trick us. I think the way if
you were raised in the fairy faith in Ireland's you
were taught that if you see a fairy poalace and
there's a beautiful fairies inside and they serve you a

(34:17):
sumptuous feast, it's probably just a dark hole in a
hill and they're re old crones and they're feeding you manure,
like nothing you're experiencing is probably true. And I wonder
how much of what a witness experiences, or an experience
or experiences is actually based in any kind of reality,
or if it isn't what fairy faith would have called glamour,

(34:40):
if we're not being shown something that perhaps we even expect,
I mean, maybe it even even feeds off of as
Greg Bishop wrote a piece in Robbie Grahame's the Late
Robbie Grahames book UFOs reframing the debate, and other people
have talked about very just use a different term, but
talked about a similar idea of this co creation concept

(35:01):
that there is another there is something other, something separate
to us, but somehow us and it's he was applying
this to UFOs, but I think it can apply to
any of this stuff we're talking about. Somehow together we're
co creating this experience, like we're bringing these cultural expectations,
it's feeding off them, and it's somehow showing us almost

(35:23):
what we expect to see and what we expect to experience.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
I mean, that certainly makes sense, and there's no way
to control that, like, create a control a test to
prove that. But it would make sense, and to be honest,
that's not something that I like, A single alternate source
that is interacting with us using Glamor to what But

(35:48):
to what end would be my question? To what end
is it? Are we a food source for them? Like
are they feeding off our energies? Which I think is
entirely plausible. You know, I can see that, But to
what end, Like, what's the point of that? I mean,
our interaction is to satisfied curiosity. I suppose there's would
be perhaps as well. I mean that would be interesting

(36:11):
to know.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
I've thought about it. I thought about that question suddenly enough,
and I don't have a definitive answer. I think nobody does.
But if any of this is somehow it's a workable
hypothesis that I threw out. I certainly didn't create the
workable hypothesis. But whether it's Glamor, or whether it's Bishop's
co creation theory, or whether it's similar ideas like Jacques

(36:34):
the Laper's and Jaques Vlat's point, which I should share
with you quickly, is an eck. I think it's one
of the best analogies I've ever heard. For this, it's
if you go to a cinema and you're watching a
movie on the screen in front of you, and you're
listening to the music and the audio and the dialogue
from the sound system around you, and you're totally absorbed

(36:56):
in the movie. You're not seeing the real technology, the
real technologies in the dark behind you in the projection booth, right,
you're not even seeing what the sauce phenomena really is.
You're just experiencing what's designed, what's been very artfully designed
to show you. More to the point, if you went
to a cinema and you surveyed people coming out of

(37:18):
a cinema and if they were changing the movie that
was playing in the cinema, one group of people at
the ten am screening might come out and say, Oh,
I just saw the most you know, amazing, romantic, you
know movie I've ever seen, and the boy got the girl,
but they went through all this hardship. It was incredible.
And the next people might say, I just saw this
the best James Bond movie I've ever seen. The action

(37:40):
was over the top and it was so fantastic. The
next people might have seen, like another film again said,
it was the scariest movie I ever saw. They were
in this haunted house and there was this demonic priestess
who was summoning the dead or something. So when you
talk to people who've experienced this thing, they're none of
them are coming out and saying, oh, that projector was amazing,
the sound system was, you know, talking about what they've seen,

(38:04):
because that's how it's designed. But perhaps our experiences with
the other a rolling out in a similar way.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
That would be interesting. So if the other is conscientious,
conscious of this projection they're putting onto us, I would
it would lean in my mind to a social experiment
on their end. Let's see what happens when we do
this today. Let's see what happens when we do this
to this person. You know, perhaps they can understand the

(38:35):
psychological makeup of the person that they're encountering, and they're
projecting something to scare them, or they're projecting something to
relax them, or you know, again, to what end would
be my question? But that would it seems like a
social experiment at that point.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
It's very it, very well. Maybe Another thing Jacques Vallet
suggested was it may be some kind of it may
work like a thermostat, the way that a thermostat, when
it's said on a certain temperature, knows to kick on
or off. Maybe it's some controlling force that knows when
to present something to elicit, you know, a response. I
don't know. All of this stuff is anybody's guess is

(39:16):
as good as anybody else.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
See that would make sense because I do think that
there are phenomenon that only happened when certain things are
aligned or a certain time a year, be it, I
don't know, the stars are lined up the right way
with Jupiter and I don't know, but I think I
have a good example in that there was an area
that we investigated for years in Oklahoma. It was called

(39:37):
Area X, and I had been there many, many many
times with very little on my end experience with anything unusual.
But one weekend, one weekend, we had a lot going on.
We had a lot of odd things happening, especially experienced

(40:01):
some very weird things. There is this entity, and if
anybody out there knows what this could possibly be, please
please contact me and let me know, because I've only
seen it twice in my life. One time when I
was in my early twenties. It was twilight. I was
driving down a highway and I saw this movement off

(40:23):
to my side, and I thought it was a dog
running towards a highway, and I was alarmed because it
was not slowing down as it was coming towards traffic.
And as it came into the illumination of my headlights.
And it's still twilight, so I can still see movement,
but it became clear is it moved into the headlight.

(40:45):
It was a rectangular smoke. That's the best I can describe,
because I could see it as it passed between the
car in front of me. I could see through it somewhat.
I could see the bumper of the car still, but
it was like looking through a smoke, and it was
completely rectangular. Moved it a very steady, very fast clip.

(41:08):
Never slowed down, never stopped, didn't it just kept going
from one direction to the other. And this weekend in
Oklahoma that I'm talking about, I saw it again and
it was movement again. It was a little later, it
was a little darker. I could still see. It wasn't
full on dark, but it was. It was very shadowy.

(41:28):
But it was movement to my left that caught my eye.
This time. And I'm slowing down. My husband is on
the trail in front of me. We're walking in a
single file line, and this same thing, this smoky shadow thing,
came out of the woods and brush and just the
same thing didn't slow down, moving at the same clip,

(41:52):
same rectangle, maybe two to three feet tall, rectangular shape,
maybe a few inches off the no sound was completely silent,
and it passed between my husband and I, and I
remember that I could see the sole of his shoe
as he lifted his back foot and he was taking
another step, so again I could see through it. And

(42:13):
that was disturbing to me, because it's very unnerving when
I see that thing. It doesn't leave me with a
good feeling at all. And my husband and I happened
to be making our way to this cabin, and this
area that we researched had three cabins on it, and
this was a homestead from back in the land rush days,

(42:36):
and this family had retained it all these all these
years and blm land grew up around it, so they
had this little homestead in the middle of a vast
forest that's very, very difficult to get to. And we
were on our way to one of the cabins, and
later that night, when we were sitting on the cabin,
we tend to leave it dark while we're doing bigfoot research.

(42:58):
We don't use white lights usually, or any light if
we can help it. So we're sitting there in the dark,
and my husband had to get up to go get
some batteries from the main cabin. So I was sitting
on the front porch of this place alone and I
heard whispering from the corner of the property. And this
property had like a bare fence around it that came

(43:21):
to a very decided point at the corner that I
was facing, and it sounded to me like three people,
And in my mind I could envision three people huddled
close together, and it was clearly speech. It just wasn't
loud enough for me to make out the words, but
it was clearly speech, and it was three separate people,

(43:43):
and it sounded very much like so I. I mean,
it sounded like they were talking amongst each other, but
just not loud enough for me to make out the words.
And that was extremely unnerving. And later that weekend, at
the same cabin, I had something bluff charged me down

(44:04):
the mountain and I could see the foliage moving and
I was walking backwards. I even pulled my gun. I
was ready, I was prepared to fire. I thought it
was a bear coming down the mountain. So I'm walking backwards,
trying to get inside of this bear fence at this cabin,
and I've got my gun pulled, which I never do.

(44:24):
That's the only time I've ever had to pull a
weapon in the field, and I was very nervous, thinking
I don't want to have to shoot anything, and there's
not much space between me and the edge of this
brush line. So when it breaks cover and I'm finally
able to shoot whatever this is that is clearly coming
at me, I don't know if I'm going to be
able to take it down before it gets me. But

(44:47):
this thing just running down the mountain stops at the
brush line and never breaks the brush line. I can
hear it moving back and forth in the brush line,
and it moved there for a few minutes, and then
it turned around and went right back up the mountain
the way it came. And of all the years of

(45:08):
my investigating in that area, I had never had anything
paranormal happen. It was very weird to me that that
rectangular shadow thing showed up out of nowhere. I'd never
experienced any kind of voices again, nothing paranormal. And then
the cherry on top was that thing bluff charged at
me down the mountain. Now, of course that could have

(45:31):
been a mountain, that could have been a lot of
things that just decided not to break coover. But all
of those things just happened in the span of one weekend,
and it really made me think that it just was timing. Again,
things are in alignment. We just happened to be there
the weekend that everything was lined up perfectly and these
things manifest so that I think that that's definitely something

(45:57):
there where things line up and they're manifesting at that point.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Well, first thing, I'm glad you take advantage of the
Second Amendment and you're armed when you go out on
these kind of investigations. I never understand people who go
into the into the woods. Who are I mean, I'm
on just my wooded forty. I'll even take, you know,
something in my belt if I go out to get
firewood or something. I'm not in the middle of nowhere,
but it's there's enough bear and bobcat ugar and sometimes

(46:27):
wolves here that I'm not going out there forget about
bigfoot or anything else. I'm not going to people too.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
I've been, you know, a lot of my researchers in
exceptionally remote places, and I have had some very strange
people walk into my camp before. And yeah, I mean,
it's always good to be prepared. Like, nobody wants to
use it, but it's good to be prepared.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
No, I would hate to have to use it, but
it's certainly it's certainly good to to take care of
yourself if you if you need to be able to. Secondly,
you mentioned how you felt I can't remember your exact words,
but that it was a it wasn't a good feeling
when you saw this kind of smoky, two foot tall thing.
Was it the same feeling that you had when you

(47:05):
saw the gnome goblin type creature? Did it? Was it
a similar feeling when you saw those two different things?

Speaker 3 (47:14):
You know, I don't think. I think they were similar,
but not the same. I think the Gnoma was more startled.
And just knowing the folklore with Faye and seeing the
little red hat, I think that that's startled me, like subconsciously,
because I didn't initially put two and two together with
the red hat, but just see it like saying, holy

(47:35):
how I'm seeing a goblin. I'm saw a goblin that's like,
and it's walking towards my camp. No thank you? I
mean I know enough for no thank you, But this
smoky entity. I mean, I'd seen ghosts before at this point,
but this left me with a very an easy feeling.

(47:57):
And I don't know if it was because of what
it was, or if it was because it was such
an unusual thing. I couldn't put it into a category.
So I was just very confused as to what it
was at malevolent? Was it like? What is it that
I'm seeing? I still have no idea what this is.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
I wonder if it was something manifesting and hadn't yet
taken shape. But you, I have to ask you about
a big foot encounter still, because I know on this
network a lot of people like to hear about bigfoot,
and you've been you've been investigating, I think since two
thousand and two your bios. So can you can you
tell me one of your most startling or one of
your most interesting bigfoot encounters.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
So I'm I have never had a verifiable for myself
bigfoot encounter. I've seen a dog man, but I have.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Not seen maybe we have to do the dog man.
Then change it. Let's do dog Let's.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Do the dog man. So yeah, I've had a lot
of strange things happen with Bigfoot, but with dog Man,
I mean that was I saw what I saw, and
I kept it to myself for a very long time.
And this happened in I think it was twenty fourteen,
thirteen or fourteen. I can't recall the exact year, but

(49:14):
it was. I believe it was November or early December
because there were Christmas ornaments involved. And I was driving
at night to pick my daughter up from work. And
this happened in Dallas, which itself is unusual. This is
a major city in Texas. And it was well within

(49:38):
the city limits. It wasn't downtown. It was definitely in
one of the neighborhoods, but it was well within the
city limits. And I'm driving down a very normally busy
thoroughfare and I had to turn into a neighborhood to
cut to get to my daughter's work. And it's a
fairly affluent neighborhood that we would go through, and the

(49:58):
yards are quite low, large, and as I'm making the
turn onto the road. There's not that many street lights,
and there happened to be one maybe thirty yards from
the turn that illuminated the area of a few yards.
And as I made the turn, I'm starting to accelerate

(50:21):
and I see movement of course, off to my right,
and it's low to the ground, and I'm thinking it's
a dog. I thought it was just a big dog,
and it's heading towards the road. So I'm not speeding
up because of course I don't want to hurt it.
But as I'm continuing to kind of coast down the
road I'm doing maybe ten fifteen miles an hour, it

(50:44):
changes its direction and it starts coming towards my car.
And the minute it starts coming towards my car, I
get hit with this sensation of just malevolence, evil like
ill intent, like fight or flight, everything you can imagine.

(51:04):
I have never experienced this before. I've been so scared
I couldn't talk. I've been so scared I couldn't move.
This was on a completely separate level from anything I
had experienced before, and it came in waves and it
was very concentrated, and I couldn't understand what was happening

(51:26):
because I think this is a dog coming towards me,
and all of a sudden, I'm getting this like terror,
this insane terror. And as I'm turning my head to look,
and it happened very quickly. As I'm turning my head
to look, it's coming towards me, it starts kind of
hopping and bounding as it's running to where it's almost jumping,

(51:49):
and it ends up landing like it takes a larger
jump in lands maybe ten or fifteen feet from the
passenger window of my car. And when it lands, I
called it a runner stance, but I think like a
superhero stance is a better description. Where it's got one
arm down and one arm up for balance, and it's

(52:12):
I want to say it started to stand up, but
it stayed crouched down. And as my car is rolling by,
and I'm still like kind of I'm looking like at
its area, it cranes its head forward and down and
looks into my passenger's window and just follows me in

(52:33):
the car as I'm rolling by, And as I'm looking
at this thing, there is a voice in my head saying,
don't look it in the face. You can't unsee that
you don't want to see. You are going to change.
Do not look it in the face. So I'm looking
at everything, but it's direct face. I saw that it

(52:55):
had the tall ears. I remember the fur being lit
up from the light of the street light. I remember
its arm specifically, and I remember it's snout. It was
an elongated snout, but it wasn't long like a wolf
it was. It was blunted a little bit, but definitely pronounced.

(53:17):
And it just this feeling that is still washing over
me was in immense It's hard to describe. And I
finally break out of this spell or whatever, just stun
the stunned place I'm at, and I slam on the gas.

(53:40):
I just flore it, and I ran through every stop light,
every I mean every stop sign on that road, and
I'm scared to look in my rearview mirror because I
am convinced that this is chasing me, and I'm at
any moment I'm waiting to feel it, the weight on
the back of my car, and I'm thinking, my gosh,

(54:04):
they're gonna find my car tomorrow morning, or somebody's gonna
come up on my car. The windows will be broken out,
there's gonna be blood everywhere. Nobody's gonna know what happened
to me, and I am just I want to say
I screamed when I hit the gas, but I honestly
can't remember it, but I feel like I did, and
I just floor it. And my daughter's place of employment

(54:26):
is at the end of this fairly long residential street.
There's a little strip mall there, and I pull into
that and I turn around and back up, so I'm
facing the street I just came down, and it's dark, because,
like I said, there's hardly any street lamps on this road,
and I'm just waiting for this thing to come out

(54:49):
of the dark street. I'm convinced it's chasing me and
my daughter. I'm sure it was just a few minutes
before she got in the car, but I just remember thinking,
let's go, well, let's go. And when she finally did
get in the car, I considered going back down that
street because I'm still very scared, but it would be

(55:14):
nice to have somebody corroborate right, somebody else to see it.
But then why would I Why would I put my
daughter through that. I'm not going to do that. So
we took the long way home and I pulled up.
We went in the house and I remember that night
laying there with the covers like pulled up to my chin,
and I'm still like shaking, scared, and I'm thinking, can it?

(55:38):
Can it follow me? Can it sent me? Because it wasn't.
I mean, I'm terrible with distance, Like as the crow flies,
maybe ten miles from my house, maybe ten miles or
less from my house? Can it follow me that far?
Like it was looking at me. It was called I
mean it saw me if it wanted to? Could it?
Could it track down where I lived? Am I going

(55:58):
to come home one night and this thing is going
to pop out of the bushes? And that was terrifying?
And I used to I used to run at night
through my neighborhood and a few weeks after the encounter,
I tried to do that and I bade it maybe
halfway through my run and I had to just turn

(56:20):
around and book at home. Because every rattle of leaf,
every brush rustling, every leaf scraping across the sidewalk in
the wind, I would jump out of my skin because
I was convinced this thing knew where I was and
it was going to come back and find me. Because

(56:41):
it clearly had malicious intent, just by the feeling that
was washing over me. And yeah, that's my encounter. And
it's very interesting because six months later, I went on
a little research camping trip up at Gifford Pinchot with
a bunch of people. I wasn't scared. I wasn't scared
in the woods at all during that trip, but I

(57:03):
couldn't run through my neighborhood at night after that encounter.
And it's very interesting to me that. I mean, I'm
assuming it's because the encounter happened in a more urban
environment that I'm translating that fear into urban environments, like
whether I want to or not, but that was that
was an interesting thing, and the fact that it happened

(57:23):
in a major city is who would expect? Who would
expect that?

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Exactly? There's there's so much to unpack in your story.
I wish we had another hour. And I've heard and
I think it's often ignored by the way, unfortunately, so
and I think it's sad that it's ignored. But I
think there's a traumatic element to a lot of paranormal experiences,
which I talked about, So I can totally understand your

(57:50):
reluctance to run in an area where you know you
were associated with with that type of experience, And of
course dog man appearing in a suburban urban area also
tends to make it much more difficult to accept that
this thing is just some physical, undiscovered creature living in

(58:13):
the woods, because it seems to correlate more with the
things we were saying before. But one more question before
we start to wind it down is you've had all
kinds of experiences, and I think that some people I don't,
for whatever reason, are more prone to experience The other
is that do you have thoughts on that or.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
I do think that, And I don't know if it's
we're programmed from birth to experience those things, or if
we're just so open minded in non judgmental with our
mind we're vibrating at a different level, we're open to
seeing those things, because again I do believe that vibrations,
everything is energy, and I think that if you're tuned

(58:59):
in the right thing, you're more likely to experience things
like this, because literally my entire life, I've had odd
and haunted things happen to me. So again, I don't
know if it's something you're born with or if it's
something just from being open minded and tuned into a

(59:20):
certain vibration. But I think that some people definitely are
wired to have more experiences than others others.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Well, it was such a great joy to talk to
you tonight, Montique. You're absolutely fascinating and I'm going to
have to start listening to your podcast because there's so
many out there, but I'm going to start listening to yours.
This is so interesting now. But before I ask you
to tell me about where people can listen to that
and see what else you're up to, maybe let's talk
about Crossing Realms just a little bit again, because you're

(59:53):
on the eve of Crossing Realms now, just September nineteen
to twenty, so could you could you talk a little
bit more about that and I'll have it in the
show notes so people can just click through if they
want to get tickets in that. But yeah, it just
sprewked that a little bit more because I'm going to
be there and I hope to see a lot of
other folks there, so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Oh yes, it's going to be so much fun. So
it's going to be in Richmond, Missouri. It's right next
to the Ray County museum and we're going to be
having a ghost hunt that night. Unfortunately, the tickets for
that are sold out, but that is something that for
future years I think would probably be an option for
people that are interested, because that is an extremely haunted location.

(01:00:37):
Friday night is our meet and greet, and I believe
we're starting that at six pm and that is for
ticket holders and speakers, and that's a chance for everybody
to mingle and talk and relax and get to know
each other prior to the conference. And then the day
of the conference, I believe our doors open at eight
am and we've got a whole awesome lineup of which

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doctor Dean is a part of. So we hope everybody
comes out and listens to all of our speakers and
has a great time. We've got quite a few vendors also,
and it's worth noting that the vendor area you don't
need a ticket to enter, and all of our speakers,
all of the hosts, and we have some people selling
some pretty cool things also. All of that is available

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without the purchase of the ticket. It is all on
the outside. You can certainly walk up and talk to
any one of us at any given point, or you know,
browse some trinkets, and if you like talking to us outside,
buy a ticket and come on in and listen to
the presentations. Because there's so many unique points of view
and everybody, all the hosts, all the speakers, we're all

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very personal people and very easy to talk to. And
if you want to share encounters or just talk about
things that maybe you're not comfortable talking to the masses
about on your day to day bay, this is definitely
the place for you to come and do that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
It's going to be so great. I'm looking I'm so pumped.
I'm so excited about it, and I hope to see
a bunch of you you there, by the way, who
listen to the show? And where do people catch up
with what you're up to? Where do they listen to
a podcast? Say the title of it again again, it's
going to be in the show notes, but direct people
that and anything else you want people to check out
that you're in for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
So my podcast is called Our Paranormal World, and before
I named it, I did not realize there was already
an Our Paranormal World out there. So if you want
to find me specifically, if you go to YouTube, you
can in the search bar, type in the AT symbol
and then Monica's plural, So it's Monica's paranormal world, and

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it will take you right to my page. And if
you want to catch me on TikTok, you can catch
me there. It's our paira world I believe, and I
put out shorts. I talk about Fay. If you go
to my YouTube channel, I've got some shorts on different Fay,
specifically the holiday Fay. I talk about Jenny Green teeth.
I talk about some of the Welsh and Cornish phae

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as well, so you can check that out. My podcast
go and we talk about everything. I've got a co
host called Joe Breezy and he's a character. He's going
through some health issues right now, so Text from Texas
Front Porch has been stepping in graciously. So it's he
and I right now. And my show is on live

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every Sunday night at ten pm.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
That's fantastic and texts Text is amazing. You're amazing too, Monica.
Thank you so much for joining me on talking.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Thank you so much for having me. It was a joy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
And I'm going to see you this weekend and until
I see everybody else out there, which will be our
new weird time, which is Thursday's at nine pm Central,
but on the same weird network, the Untold Radio Network.
Please keep it weird.