Talking Weird #163 Haunted Dolls & Cursed Objects with Heather Moser

Heather Moser is a producer and researcher for the documentary film company Small Town Monsters and helped establish Small Town Monsters Publishing. She is also an adjunct professor and author who loves diving into all things spooky and strange! You can find some of her work in volumes 1,3,5, and 7 of the Feminine Macabre and you can hear her chatting with other storytellers on her podcast, The Lore You Know. She is also a co-host of the STM podcast Monsteropolis.

Visit Small Town Monsters here: https://www.smalltownmonsters.com/

Heather's podcast, The Lore You Know: https://theloreyouknow.podbean.com/

Heather visits with Talking Weird to kick off our month of spooky shows in the lead-up to Halloween! She chats about her research and experiences with haunted dolls and cursed objects, the Bell Witch, and more!

This is a spooky and fascinating episode with a great and knowledgable guest, that you do not want to miss!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The paranormal, UFOs, monsters, mysteries that you're listening to Talking
Weird and know from a Kevin deep in the northwards
your host, Doctor Dean.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Bertram, Greetings, or my fellow widows and widows, Welcome to

(00:45):
Talking Weird on the Untold Radio Network. I'm your host,
Dean Bertram, and as always I'm absolutely delighted that you've
decided to spend the next hour or so of your
life with me. Whether you're watching Live Where We Go
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or perhaps you're watching an archive there at some later date,
or listening to the audio only version of the show

(01:07):
which drops the following day. Welcome, greetings, Thank you for
being here with us. Hot day in the north Woods today,
which is great because some of my pumpkins aren't ripe yet.
It's that time of the year. I'm watching my pumpkin
patch quite devotedly. We've got it. We've got some which
are ready, but there's some which are still green. I
think they'll all be ready for Halloween. Still feels like
fall here, though the leaves are changing. We're hearing all

(01:29):
kinds of weird noises. I've spoken about some recently on
the show, and there's either a bunch of owls or
a bunch of other things which sound like owls, and
sometimes different hooting through our holler like it's not they're
really in a hola, but down the valley like every
night at the moment, including through our yard, super loud
and super spooky. My my nine year old, who is
super interested in birds of all kinds, usually is being

(01:52):
creeped out by these sounds. She likes to be inside
with the doors safely locked before whatever is in those
woods might come out. So perhaps that's a great part
place to start this spooky season. We're not very far
from Halloween now, less than a month many of our
favorite time of the year, of course, and so this

(02:14):
month on Talking Weird, we're going to focus on the
spooky and the strange. And I couldn't think of a
guest who's better versed in some real strangeness and some
real weirdness and some real spooky stories than tonight's. I
met her recently at the Crossing Realms conference just a
week or two ago. I hadn't met her before I
knew all about it. It was a delight to meet

(02:35):
her in a family they were all wonderful. She's the
producer and researcher for the documentary film company Small Town Monsters,
which most of you are probably familiar with. They make
amazing films. I'm sure you've watched many of them as
of ive you haven't, you should watch them. And she
also helped establish Small Town Monsters Publishing. She's also an
adjunct professor at author who loves diving into all things

(02:55):
spooky and strange. Like I said, she's going to be
perfect for tonight's show. And you can find some her
work in Volumes one, three, five, and seven of The
Feminine ma Carb and you can hear her chatting with
other story tellers on her podcast The Law You Know.
She's also a co host of the small Town Monsters
podcast Monstropolis, which is great as well. So I am
delighted to welcome to Talking Weird my new friend Heather Mosha.

(03:22):
Did I get the pronunciation?

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Hey, I say mosure.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
I knew there was a tone.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
That's fine, don't worry about it, It's totally fine.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Jason McLean, who was one of the organizers of the
conference we were at a couple of weeks ago. He's a
good friend of mine. He used to do another show
on this network called Mysterious Library with me for a
year or so, and he always gives me a hard
time about my names and my pronunciation. Says, we can
just blame you Australian. So I'll take that. I think
it's just course. I may be touched when it comes

(03:56):
to them.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I'm just so glad you're here, my So maybe I've
only just met you recently. I know you have a
background in all of this stuff, and I don't always
ask guests this because it's such a standard question to ask,
but I'm really curious about what got you into this
kind of weirdness because youre an academic as well, So
what kind of drove you to What came first the
academia and the interested in academically or we always interested

(04:24):
in the weird and the unusual.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
I have always been interested in it. Whenever I was little,
we would watch every week Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack,
which got my attention right away. I one of my
first nights where I stayed up all night out of
fear was because of the Yetty episode, which involved like

(04:48):
Lauren Cole a very young Lauren call on it, but
I was positive after seeing hand, the Mamma fied hand
that that hand was going to reach into my room
and grabbed my doorknob and shut my door or something.
So I stayed up all night in kindergarten after that episode.
So it started with unsolved mysteries. Really, I grew up

(05:11):
with stories of the house that my mother grew up
in as a child that was haunted in action she'd
had with the spirit through a Ouiji board, and then
people that lived in the house decades after continually having issues.
So I just grew up with that sort of decision happening.

(05:32):
And I am not far from well. I am in Minerva,
Ohio now, but I grew up not far from this area,
so hi, So I was aware of stories about Bigfoot.
Minerva monster is a big one in this area. And
whenever I was young in elementary school, there were people

(05:53):
that were coming forward with their stories, not to a
very good reception, but they tried. But it's just always
been there. So since I was always interested in the weird,
I got into academia. Anytime was a sweet hint that
I could go that route. I steered in conversation that way.
So my degrees are in classical studies in Latin literature,

(06:19):
and I would every time of year around Halloween, especially
in the epigraphy class that I did. I took it
a couple different times. And epigraphy is just the study
of like descriptions, colients like that. It's a different type
of knowledge. It's required to kind of translate that because
everything is very abbreviated. But anyway, regardless, there is a

(06:43):
section of epigraphy where you study curse curse tablets, and
I would always ask the professor around October, can we
spend at least a week on curse tablets please, so,
you know, steering things like that. When I got to
my master's program, I was interested in looking at the

(07:07):
occult as far as the way that that would go
in Ancient Rome, so to speak. So my master's thesis
actually dove into the persecution of the Backet cult and
Ye six BCE and compared that to the European witch
trials in that they're both examples of moral panics. Just

(07:33):
all of that, anything that was slightly creepy I wanted
to bring into, you know, keep it academic. Of course,
once I graduated, I started looking into letters and that's
ultimately what led me to Smallton monsters. So I was
looking into letters that accompany cursed objects. Ones that came
to my attention where the rocks from the Bell Witch Cave,

(07:55):
Adam Adams c and people take these rocks bad things,
what happened. They'd send them back with a letter of
apology or regret. And it turns out that that happens
in plays all over the all over the country. I'm
assuming it's not just this country's problem either, but it
was something that was very interesting to see how we

(08:18):
as humans kind of react when our lives fall apart,
and where we want to sort of lay the blame,
and how folklore can infiltrate into our consciousness at that point,
so I started researching that. I did a conference on
letters specifically related to the Bell which Cave rocks over

(08:40):
in Wales one semester or one spring. And it was
shortly after that that Seth had a premiere at Canton
Palace theater was not that far away from here, and
that I mentioned they were going to be doing a
movie on the Bell which in the next year or so,
and so I had been following along since his first

(09:01):
film and had messaged him a few times on Facebook.
But I messaged him again and I was like, hey,
if you need a researcher for that, I've been looking
into that for a couple of years, and he said, actually,
we're ready for a researcher at this point, and then
that got me in that and then it's just been
it's just expanded a lot since coming on as just

(09:24):
looking up research games and so on. It's gotten wild. Yeah. No,
it's always been a lifelong interest and then I just
try to pull things in as I can to align
with that.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I think that says a lot about small town months
is and Seth bured love that he recognized your talent
as like an academic researcher and brought you on board
to do that kind of work because there's a lot
of people no offense to other people who are making
paranormal documentaries, because there's a lot of good documentaries in
the space, but there's also a lot of documentaries that
could probably really do with somebody who had academic research

(09:57):
skills to reach into the places which you know might
often be overlooked.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Hmm. Yeah. It was definitely something that I'm able to
bring in the research skills that I learned in graduate
school and utilize them in what I do today all
the time.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
How great is that, though, that you can move one
of that Well, we'll look back to this in a minute,
but I have to I have to ask you something
which I'm interested in myself, just as a side note,
because you said you were you know, you were looking
and I think you know Latin sources and the like.
We get a lot of our understanding of things like
the Celts and the Druids from Latin sources, right Like
I think it was when Julius Caesar punched into that
area in British Isles. You know, there's all these these

(10:40):
talk about how horrible the druids were. Did you did
you counter druid stories when you were doing that work?

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I did not when it came to that, because that
was the things I focused on was the market cult
in one eight six, so that would have been roughly
eighty six years before Caesar was born because he was
born in one hundred BC. But I did focus on
Julius Caesar actually in my undergraduate thesis, and how his
memory shifted over time depending on who was in political power.

(11:11):
Because history is kind of written by the winners, right,
and you kind of see how things change over time
from when Julius Caesar was alive through many ratio of emperrors,
depending on how they wanted to present themselves to the public,
is how they portrayed Julius Caesar. So anyway, that's neither
here them are there, but yes, Caesar during the Gallic Wars,

(11:35):
we have some of his writings on that and with
anything that they were outsiders, right, so they were looked
on as lesser than in size. Also, while trying to
there's really no other way around it. While trying to
conquer these people, one way helped bring them into society

(11:57):
in a less I don't know, to get them to
kind of agree with you easier is to infiltrate some
of their beliefs into your system. And so we do
have hints of some of those older traditions from other
societies that the Romans absorbed and then added to their

(12:19):
pantheon as they went along. But when it came to
like the cult and the pusion of that they were
what was so well so unique about that that particular
moment is that those were Romans going against Romans the
Bocket Pault was something that was a Roman cult. It's

(12:40):
just that the wealthy were feeling very threatened and needed
someone to create and us versus them scenario to kind
of regain power and expand some of the powers that
they ordinarily would not use to try to regain control
of the society at large. So they went after their

(13:02):
own people.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
But yeah, anyway, it could we could have you on
and do a whole talking Roman episode.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Actually at the moment, homeschooled my daughter and we've just
were it appear in our history curriculum where we've just
punched past the fall of Rome and then so but
we're still like we have textbooks we use. But I also,
you know, we watched documentaries for the fun of it,
and we were just looking at, you know, some of
the some of the clashes within Rome, which so is fascinating.
She'll probably play this for tomorrow, be interested. Anyway. Back

(13:33):
to something you said more in the Weird Space before,
and it's one of the things I like about your
approach so far, and having known you recently but listening
to your your one and watching your wonderful presentation at
Crossing Realms, is that when you were talking about cross
cursed objects a moment ago and people, and maybe you
could elaborate on that a little bit. People sending back

(13:54):
the objects and sending back the letters, and maybe you
and letters with the objects that they return. Maybe you
could give some examples. You made the point of saying
maybe it's them kind of this isn't the terms you use,
but you were suggesting maybe their own misfortunes that might
have anything to do with those objects. They then kind of,
you know, attach or project onto that experience. So I
don't know if you could maybe elaborate a little bit

(14:15):
more because it's absolutely fascinating and talk about maybe some
of those examples, and yeah, that'd be great.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Absolutely so when I talk about these particular scenarios where
people have taken objects, so the Belwich Cave, they take rocks.
Sometimes there's been letters that have come back where someone
took a coin, or some people have back their shoes
because there was some dirt left on it from the

(14:43):
cave floor and they just didn't want to risk it.
But what we've seen over time is that people take
something from these locations that have some sort of paranormal
lore behind them, or like a bloody history, because this
is something that happened Attysburg Well, which now has its
own paranormal connections. But there's just no way to get

(15:04):
around the violence that was associated with the region. Anyway,
all of these places that have these kinds of ties
to people come in, they want to take a memento,
they take a stick, a rock, a coin, whatever, and
then they leave. And if something goes wrong within the

(15:28):
general like immediate future after taking something, then as humans,
we're always looking for answers, we're looking for stories. We
want to understand why. And it's easy in those moments,
especially when you've already been influenced by a story that
you've been told, it's easy to say, well, I did

(15:49):
take something from the cave that I shouldn't have taken.
I saw the letters on of the gift shop that
warned me not to do so, but I was curious,
so I did it anyway, And sure enough, on the
way home, all four of my tires went flat or
something like that. Some of them are much worse. They
end up in the hospital, they get a divorce, someone

(16:12):
severely injured, someone went to prison in one of the letters.
But all kinds of horrible things occur and then they
you know, they're looking for a reason why. And it's
easy to say, well, I did tempt fate in a
way I was told otherwise, but I did it anyway.
So we have examples of that. I say also that,

(16:37):
and it's not just my idea, because there is this,
and I mentioned this. I wish I had I have
the book. I just don't have it in the room
with me right now. But I mentioned this at Crossing Realms.
There's a book from the nineties called Power Stones. I
cannot recall the authors off the top of my head,
but they were. They were people with doctorates that wrote

(16:57):
the book, and they examined these letters that came from
Hawaii where people had taken some of the lava rocks
from the beach, had bad things happen, and then sent
it back. And they, through their heeded background, examine these
letters and examine how that lines up with huhavior in
general and suggest And I agree with the idea that

(17:23):
it doesn't matter whether any of that folklore is true.
It's that the suggestion is already fine. So when things
go sideways, your brain clings to that story as an explanation.
These are the types of stories that we have always
gravitated toward for examples of what's going on. We want

(17:45):
an explanation as to why this is why, even going
back to ancient Greece and Rome, you have these myths
that explain what's going on in the darkness, or you know,
why the sun's going across the sky, things that you
don't fully understand, but you have to have ay to
explain it why, like you know why it happens, you
have to have a reason. So we come up with
these stories, and so in these instances, these stories are well,

(18:07):
it was a cursed place. For another example, there is
a podcast It's Just All Lore by Aaron Manckey as
a host. It's one of my favorites. Years ago at
this point, I don't even know how many years that
podcast has been out, but it was years ago that
this episode out. Was talking about a ghost town over

(18:30):
in the western part of the United States where they
actually having an issue with tourists coming to and removing
pieces of the ghost town. So to kind of hinder
that behavior, the tour guides just kind of got together
and they're like, you know, let's just say that it's
your first removes staff. And they started to perpetuate that

(18:52):
story which they completely made up, the fabrication of their own,
and shortly after they started telling them to tour groups.
Than pretty soon tourists were sending pieces of the town back,
you know, pieces of wood, rocks, whatever. And I find
that completely fascinating that we have actual examples where someone

(19:16):
has admitted, yeah, we made that up in an attempt
to hinder people from doing it. And to be honest,
I don't know as if it really hinders people. I
mean it hinders people, But we also have the air devils, right,
we have letters actually from these places where they're like, yeah,
I heard his cursed I wanted to test it out,
and so they do. Anyway, some people that's a reason

(19:38):
to take something. But either way, it didn't stop people
from that particular ghost town. It just caused them to
feel regret afterwards and send them back. So yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Guess there's almost there's almost three possible explanations. One of
course isn't they are cursed. The other is perhaps the
more seemingly rational explanation, that people then attach any misfortune
to the cursed object that they brought home. The third
is that perhaps will manifest this curse upon themselves by
somehow buying into a mythology certainly where if they're aware

(20:14):
of one.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
M Yeah, that's absolutely true. And I think that anyone
who's taken the time to slow down and just focus
and be mindful of how they go about their day
can see a very simple example of that. If you
wake up in the morning and you're in a really
bad mood and you can't pull yourself out of that

(20:36):
soon enough, sure like it won't take long before you
stub your toe on something, the coffee machine doesn't work.
All of this misfortune follows. If you wake up in
your better mood, some bad things might happen, but you
kind of just let it go. It doesn't stick in
your mind as much. So I think there is something
to having our own mental state influencing what's happening around

(21:00):
us and how we perceive that. Ultimately, when it does occur, do.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
You think something? Because there's there's euphology, which is my wheelhouse.
There's an idea of a lot of this has to
do with some psychological, sociological, you know, process which we
don't quite understand. People's experiences seem to fit the cultural
norm and YadA YadA, YadA, But do you think and
I'm sympathetic to that interpretation as well, by the way,

(21:25):
although I do think there might be more to it.
Do you think in the paranormal in general, we are
somehow responsible at either you know, exteriorizing all of this
or imagining all of this, or transposing our ideas onto
two things which aren't paranormal, or manifesting something we all alternatively?

(21:46):
Do you think there is a genuine unknown exterior force
to us or exterior forces to us? Like do you
think there are things out there which are genuinely you know,
not us, which we're interacting with?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, I absolutely believe both sides of that. Actually, I
am in agreement with the idea that there are things
that we don't understand that interact with us fairly. But
I also think that there is something to the idea
that we haunt ourselves in a way. And I have

(22:25):
come to that conclusion just mainly through people who do
this for a living, so speak that they go out
and they investigate places, but also owners of haunted locations
have discussed how they buy a property it has a
particular air about it, and over time, when they start

(22:49):
to let more people in it's like the hauntings change,
and so I don't necessarily think that there may be
anything new popping up so much as we're bringing in
our own stuff when we come into these locations, and
then that imprints on the location. And that's not even
talking about people who may be messing around, attempting to

(23:10):
try to I don't know, smon something else or whatever.
But I think we will have our own things that
we can in in that imprint it self on these locations.
And so you can see hauntings change over time.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
And that's a good point, and that might be a
nice segue into haunted dolls. You and maybe I'll let
you do a bit of an interest first, because you
had a wonderful include and your daughter was a part
of the presentation. Was one of the most fantastic presentations
I've ever seen. But you can make maybe I'll ask
you the questions about potential realities of haunted dolls, but
maybe you could talk a little bit about about haunted

(23:47):
dolls just fascinating.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah. So one I think when it comes to dolls
in general, there's something about us being creeped out with them,
not as children, of course, as kids, we think that
you know, there are campaigns with them and emulate that
they are actual beings. But when we become adults, we
start to get creeped out by the idea that there's

(24:10):
a doll sitting at the other side of the room
and maybe it's maybe did it just turn its head?
You know, you start second guessing is it staring at me?
And I'm sure that pop culture has partly to do
with that when we have stories like Chucky, but whatever,
haunted dolls in general, I think are they're the I

(24:33):
want to say, I'm not wonder worded this very carefully.
When people talk about haunted objects, I feel like dolls
are one of the first things to come to mind,
not only because of we just really think they're creepy,
but because there seems to be an abundance of them.
There are things that claim to be haunted dolls. Whenever

(24:55):
you look throughout anything pop culture, you can go you
can even go on eBay and type in haunted dolls
and you're gonna find a ton of them. Because we
think it makes sense us that yes, a spirit would
attach itself or whatever attaches itself to something that looks
like a human. That's more appealing for whatever reason in

(25:19):
our mind, and so that makes more sense that we're
something attached to a doll versus a pen. But why
why does it have to be a doll? If something
is going to attach to any type of any type
of material, why does it have to be a something
that looks like a human child. It doesn't necessarily make

(25:41):
sense that that would be the only things that are haunted,
and they're not. I mean, we have stories, a few
examples presentation as well of haunted things, like we have
the Hope Kimmon, James Dene's car. Of course, the famous
ones are the really famous ones are Annabelle. Of course,
Red Doll is another one. And when it comes to

(26:04):
the dolls that I have that I showed at the presentation,
those ones are also extremely interesting. They come from again,
the Belwich Cave. What's odd and helps inform some of
my opinions as to how folklore shapes things over time,
is that these dolls are not It's not like these

(26:24):
came from the cave. They just pop out of nowhere.
They're not something ancient by any means. The owners of
the cave buy antique porcelain dolls and then they paint
their faces up to look creepy and then they put
them on the shelf and sell them. So just they're
not in the cave or anything like that, but by
proxy they're near the story of the Belwich And what

(26:48):
has started to happen is that people buy these dolls
take them home, and this is something they bought, if
not something they stole from the cave. They didn't steal
a rock, it's something they you know, there was actual
fair trade for they bring them home. Things are to
go sideways. They're sending the dolls back or in one
instance that I gave the presentation, there is a doll

(27:09):
named Blossom that instead of being sent back to the cave,
they actually sent them to a museum that acquires haunted
all over the country and world. So they're getting rid
of these dolls. But the dolls aren't part of the
original lore. It's something that is shifted over time just
because it's in proximity to the cave. So yeah, I

(27:31):
brought for this presentation the two dolls that I have
from the Belwich Cave. And the second one was purely
for fun when I got it, because it involved making
the guys from some monsters bring it back to me
from Adams, because I was not on the filming trip
when they filmed the interviews down in Adams, Tennessee for

(27:54):
the Mark of the Budge. But I did have my
friend who works at the cave send one of those
dolls back home with them, and they were mortified because
they had the deal with this creepy doll for eight
hours on the drive home. And that's all I really
needed out of that. But the first doll was one
that my daughter picked out, and that one, I think

(28:18):
some would say is creepier, just based all the way
that it was obtained. And it was obtained because my daughter,
who was four or five at the time, had walked
into the gift shop ahead of everybody else. We had
just left the cave, and who's familiar with that area.

(28:38):
You come out of the cave, you have to go
up a pretty steep hill and then across a field
and then there's the gift shop. She took off in
front of everybody and got up to the gift shop
and I walk up shortly after her, and she's sitting
on a bench and she has this doll in her arms,
and as soon as I walk in, the girl behind

(28:59):
the Castro, just who is the granddaughter of the owner,
said he I'm so sorry. I tried to get her
to pick anything else, and I was like, why are
you apologizing? What's the big deal? Why are we worried?
And here she goes to explain to me that the
week it was about seven days before we got there,

(29:20):
this doll was up on the top shelf, which would
have been like six feet up. It's pretty high, five
to six feet up, and the gift shop was full
of people and the doll comes flying off the top
shelf in front of everybody, hits the hardwood floor, somehow
does not get smashed or anything, even she's porcelain. She

(29:42):
it survived, but everybody kind of paused because no one
was near it the wall, at least the last time
I was there when this happened, the wall with the
doll was behind the caister and so on, so it's
not like you can walk right up to them. It
wasn't bumped. And they decided that if something was going
to start acting weird, they were just going to put
it on a lower shelf so that it wouldn't break.

(30:05):
If it decided that this was going to be its
trend to start throwing itself off of shelves, and what
that ended up doing was putting it at eye level
for my five year old The next when she came in,
and so she saw her and has since explained that
she felt that this doll, who she is named Sasha,

(30:25):
was sad and wanted to come home with us. She
wanted a new family, or she wanted her and I
at that point just went off of gut instinct, which
was I didn't feel any threat. I didn't feel any
sense of dread or anything like that. So I thought, well,

(30:47):
you know, we'll try it, and I guess if things
go sideways, I can always mail it back, or I
can nail it to my friend who's got the zum
like I doesn't have to stay here. But nothing ever
went with that doll. Odd things have happened around her,
but nothing, nothing enough to back a letter.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I I take your point before about why would something
attach itself to a doll and not to a pen,
but just playing devil's advocate. And I'm not like a debunker,
but I'm a skeptic on a lot of this stuff.
If you were an entity, a doll might be more attractive.
The anthropomorphic shape and everything to go into or to

(31:34):
attached with and to hang around. And again, Shucky is
an obvious example, and you can be does have a
lot to do with it. But I think you're right
just generally, throughout all of the broader ford in space,
things which look like us but aren't us. You know,
whether it's you know, a bigfoot, or whether it's a
little gray alien, or whether it's you know, any entity,

(31:55):
any very, any demon, any doll. It's scary because it
looks like us, isn't us. So that's where it hits
us psychologically. But the reverse is perhaps that if there's
a paranormal psychology, it's like, well, I'll go into this
thing that looks like a person.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah. I think that that's absolutely a possibility, and that
makes sense as well. I think sometimes of the stories
of people that believe someone that they knew or someone
from their family are attached to things that they found
valuable to them. So sometimes it's a ring or a

(32:31):
bracelet or you know, something like that. Even stuff like
when you go to pop culture, you look at the
series like Supernatural and the idea if a ghost shows up,
what is it attached to? What piece of clothes? Jewelry
or whatever. Yeah, it gonna be you know, what is
it attached to and then finding a way to destroy

(32:53):
that thing because the spirit attached to that. But I
think there is something appealing to the dolls, especially if
do you want to start pondering like what was the
ultimate purpose for possessing the doll? Was it so that
you would get picked up? It's something more attractive than
say a pen on the on the side, like what

(33:16):
is your goal? Is it to leave this area? Yeah,
it's all kinds of cool stuff to think about.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, it's a it's a very strange space that that
we occupy. And what a wonderful time of the year
to talk about before you go elsewhere, maybe because it
is the Halloween month. What are some of your favorite
Halloween traditions or what do you like about the holiday?
What are the things that that draw you and I
I don't even know if you're into Halloween. I'm assuming

(33:42):
you are, But what are the things? What do you
like about it? And what do you do and what
are the traditions, maybe even some historical stories anything you
want to say about Halloween all.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, So when it comes to Halloween, I am a
firm believer that it is a state of mind, not
time of year. It's just that this is an extra
special time of year because everybody gets on board. But
you know, the Halloween decor is all of my home core.
It's something that once it goes up, it doesn't really
come back down. But for Halloween October. I one of

(34:16):
the things that I have done every year since having
children is that when it comes time to wake them up,
since they become school age, I should specify that when
they have to get up in the morning, I've created
a Halloween playlist and instead of just waking them up
normally in the morning, I will come into their rooms

(34:37):
with a Halloween snow from October first into Halloween. That's
how they get woken up every day. And so that's
a yearly thing that we do. You know, watching scary
movies is something that we do a lot. It's always
fun to go find pumpkins and pick everybody pick out

(34:59):
their own pumpkin, and every year I try to let
the kids go and pick out their own Halloween like
themes that they want. They can decorate their room however
they want each year, and it's really simple to do.
I mean, you could just take them even to the
Dollar Store and they got a whole aisle full of stuff.
And the one year we went all in on, they

(35:22):
went all in on skeletons, And so we had just
dozens of skeletons around the house and in their rooms,
even the ones that don't make any sense, like an
octopus skeleton type thing, you know, like it just it's
it's not accurate. Whatever looks cool, So it doesn't really matter.
It's always a big deal to go to Spirit Halloween

(35:43):
at least once, even if we don't bring anything back
from Spirit Halloween because it's super expensive at times, we
still like to go and trick or treat. Of course,
every year is a big deal. And yeah, I'm trying
to think, I know there's something. Oh trick a treat.

(36:03):
It happens regardless of what's going on, and I mean
that for example, during COVID, we weren't going door to
door to get candy. So the solution to that was
we set up like a party in the backyard for
the kids and the neighbor girl who was best friend
of ours, and we set out treats around the yard

(36:26):
and they had to walk around the yard. They were
in costumes, we had food and everything, just a little
Halloween party. Or when they were very young and it
was too cold, like pouring down rain during treat, we
just turned the inside the house into a hunted house
and then like set up lights and stuff to guide
them along and they have to stop at different places
and pick things up. One year we set up a

(36:48):
little like D and D campaign, like one shot where
they have through the dungeon and each little skirmish had
a payoff of candy, and then the big boss was
like Halloween books and stuffy of some sort. So yeah,
we always do stuff.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
No, I've always loved Halloween. Living in Australia, of course,
Halloween was an incredibly big deal when I was little.
By the time I grew up and we had the
American commercialism and then so there we you know, obviously
college Halloween parties and which I always enjoyed it, but
as a kid, as a kid, I just I didn't.
I did it because I was already so infused with

(37:32):
the paranormal, with American culture. So I'd have Halloween parties
the fancy dress place for my friends and then we
trick a treat and people would be like what trick
and what they then be like that's the American thing.
Oh okay, you know it was something alien to the
Australian experience. But now I have a child in America,
I get to partake it with it, you know, at

(37:52):
that trick or treat level. Possibly. And I don't live
in the middle of nowhere, so we don't get any here,
but we go to it now near us, which has
made be a town move And it's so small and
it's so old fashioned. It still feels like hadden Field
or something in a nineteen seventy eight like Halloween movie.
It isn't the big not that I don't, not that
I mind the big, gaudy Halloween decorations, but it doesn't

(38:12):
feel like that. It still feels like I imagine kind
of what it would have felt like I was a kid.
So yeah, I'm I'm several And of course card pumpkins
is a massive part of my experience as well. I
love even carve them. I would leave them out, like
the idea that the dead or keep them away or
whatever the purpose that there's some link to back to

(38:33):
the old you know, Gaelic and Celtic traditions of lighting
something because of the dead or because of the fair
folk were out or something. So I'm such I won't
like I'm a big fan of a family.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah, yeah, I love Halloween since I I remember even
begging my parents to drag the Halloween decorations out. It
would be like Easter or something. Can you get the
Halloween stuff out? Like, no, it's not that time of
the year. I'm like, oh, I knew where it was,
so like I could have. But I was also an

(39:06):
only child. I mean, I have half siblings, but I
was the only child in the house at the time,
So it's not blamant somebody else if I'd done something
I shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
You can buy didn't do it hard when you when
you when you're a kid, like my daughter during actually
the I guess the first year of COVID, she already
knew what Halloween was and we always watched things like
We've got a bunch of Charlie Brown movies. So she's
the great Pumpkin. She's, you know, incredibly familiar. She wanted
to have what she would call pumpkin parties pizza party.

(39:36):
She must have remembered that we had done it, like
maybe the Halloween before, so even during the year, the
high summer. She said, pumpkin party, pizza parties, so we
get like candy and we make pizzas and we'd watch
Halloween things. So very much like you underscore, I was
wanting to do it when you were a kid.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Mm hmm, yeah, what I've done when I was younger.
I always loved Halloween, and they did decorate for Halloween
and stuff, but it wasn't They weren't like super so
celebrating it as parents like I do with my kids.
They put more effort into Christmas. Where in the magic
of Christmas and the decorations and all that stuff. Where

(40:10):
I have reversed that. Not that we don't celebrate Christmas,
because we do, but the emphasis is on Halloween by far.
I'm like, this is a spooky season. We're going all out. Hi.
But yeah, I don't. We do stuff for Christmas, but
not as much.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
I mean, I'll be honest, I love Christmas as well.
That is my favorite holiday. But the wonderful thing about
America is you get this mergence of this whole period
from holiday, from Halloween through Thanksgiving to Christmas. It's just
this time of the year. Of course, some people say
that Halloween in the pagan world used to be the Christmas.
Really it was the beginning, It was the the It

(40:50):
had a similar idea of you know, it was a
celebration of the winter and a celebration of the weirdest.
In fact, more point, perhaps more than Christmas New Year,
that Halloween used to be similar to New Year traditions
today like that anyway, that's what I've heard. I don't know.
Obviously I obviously wasn't there, but there was something about
Halloween in the Old world that was super poked. And

(41:12):
living here now I kind of see it because when
I was in Australia, of course Halloween's going in to
the summer, you know what I mean, because the seasons.
But when I live here in the north Woods of Wisconsin,
you really conscious of that seasonal change which people would
have felt in the Old world as well. You know
that the harvest is in or you fail and you're

(41:34):
not going to get through the winter. You know, the
trees are going, you know, the leaves are falling, The
days are getting noticeably shorter. It's getting noticeable. Even my
daughter it feels it now. Like I said at the beginning,
the weird noises we've had which are probably just ols,
but because the days are getting shorter, she's out there
closer to that, you know, probably nighttime. So I certainly

(41:55):
feel it here. I'm conscious of what it must have been.
I never was in Australia. I'm conscious of what must
have been like to have been in the old one.
Am I frozen by the.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Way you are frozen? But I can hear you.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
It happened sometimes. What what what I'm what I what
I'm going to do is I will quickly reboot my
when when I say reboots, I have to go off
stream and back on streaming. How to fix it? We
had a question, and maybe you can. Maybe you like
horror films, I do. We we had a question. We
had a question, so maybe you can talk about a

(42:26):
couple of them. Because Bob Antone, who is a very
good friend of mine and a very good friend he
has been on a number of times. In fact, he's
our guests not next week. Jason Newlett is our guest
next week talking about the new Smalls When to Go Film.
The following week is going to be Bob. Yes, that's
Jason's book. You've got it right there. We'll be talking
about that next. Yeah, but it maybe maybe you could

(42:49):
talk a little bit about some of the horror films
while I fix this.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah. Absolutely, so when horror movies, I grew up in
the nineties, so it was highly influenced by the horror
movies of the late eighties and early nineties. And when
it comes to favorite horror movie growing up, it would
have been the original Nightmare on Elm Street, even though

(43:14):
it terrified me to know when I remember very vividly
when I learned that Nancy, the character Nancy is the
actress's name is actually Heather. So I was like, Okay, well,
if Heather can beat Freddie, then I can beat Freddie.
I mean, later on it doesn't go as well for her,
but it got me through the scaries in the beginning,

(43:37):
in the first few years of watching horror films. But
Amarn Elmstreet is something that just always stuck with me
for some reason, And I have no idea why. I
love I love sleeping and having dreams, and the idea
of something that could ruin that entire experience it's horrifying,
but whatever, that's the one that I've always liked. As

(44:00):
far as more recent ones, of course, I think anybody
that is even close to my age would say the
blair Witch messed with you. But I think actually I
went back and watched The blair Witch not that long ago,
and I couldn't even I couldn't get through it because
there's so much it may stigmatic, but when I did

(44:23):
when they first came out, I think the brilliant part
about it was the lead up to it, where they
portrayed it as an actual from footage film and they
really went along with it. I remember the actors coming
on tr with Crison daily and saying that they were
hired to fill in the blanks because they looked as

(44:44):
close as possible to the original people who went missing.
So when I first saw the blair Witch movie, that
terrified me and anymore, but that was a really good one.
The same thing happened with the original normal Activity for me,
and it was only because the footprints that they show,

(45:06):
if you're familiar with paranormal activity, they put powder on
the floor like everything up until then, whatever, it's like
a ghost in my mind, so I'm like, yeah, I'm fine, whatever,
it's just a ghost's not a big deal. But then
when something with like three toes leaves Footprints. I was like, Okay,
now I'm disturbed. I don't know why. That's what stuck

(45:27):
with me, but I did not sleep the night after
watching Paranormal Activity one. I haven't seen any of the others,
but yeah, that on that one not me. I am
a fan, even though they're controversial. I am a fan
of the Cony movies. I have not seen the last
one yet. I'm waiting for that to come out streaming,
which should be soon. But I find them entertaining. I

(45:49):
don't get them a you know, historical perspective or to
see how true they are to the original story. I
don't get into the weeds with the Warrens in the
whole controversy with them. I look at those movies as
to your entertainment, and I think that they've nailed that
that part of it. So yeah, I like that The

(46:10):
Craft is really a horror movie. I like that one.
I don't know. Yeah, but A Night roun on Street
that's a classic one. That's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Yeah. I saw that at the cinema, which shows my
age and and I really enjoyed it. Speaking of the Warrens, now,
if anybody knows how Ed is doing, please let me
know in a Facebook message or even in the chat here.
One of the regular guests of our show. I think
back in the day, he was the guests we've had

(46:41):
on most frequently, Like he's probably been on the show
half a dozen times. And that's Edt used to be
known as the psychic priest back in the day, like
I think he was in Fate magazine and even people
did peace. But he actually he was a genuine ordained
priest in one of the non Catholic kind of splinter
off you know groups where you get married and other things.

(47:02):
I don't even know what is it here. I can't
even remember the Episcopalian or something.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I'm not an American an expert necessarily on all the
American different branches of Christianity. But whatever he was, he
was also an exorcist for the Warrens, Like he knew
the Warrens personally, so he was able to come on also.
And he was while he was definitely somebody who was
spiritual and interested in the paranormal, and he did all

(47:28):
kinds of cool remote viewing experiments and other things for us.
He was always skeptical of the Warren interpretation of what
was going on, and I don't get into that fight
as well about you know, whether it was deal or
whatever else. I mean, they're all fascinating stories. I have
not as a horror Officianda, I have not seen the
conjuring movies. I saw Paranormal Activity. I did a promotion

(47:50):
for it with my festival in Sydney when I ran
a Night of Horror International Film Festival in Sydney. Now
I run it here and badly because we were doing
a promotion, but I remember sitting in I hadn't seen
it until it was on the screen, and it was
like the audience were probably, you know, the majority of
them were probably teens to early twenties, and people were
jumping and getting scared and all the promotions is the

(48:11):
scariest horror villains the exos right, and I'm watching it.
I wanted to yell, this is not scary.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, it's just camera. It's just the camera in their house. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Do you to have a go to horror movie every Halloween? Like,
is there something you've got to watch?

Speaker 3 (48:36):
You know? Okay, I have to always watch Thirteen Ghosts.
It's Matt Matt Lord because I love him and that
movie great and he did such a good job. So
thirteen Ghosts is one that I have to watch every
year multiple times. It doesn't have to be Halloween, but
it definitely comes during October.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I think it's fun to have that go to movie.
My go to is always Halloween three. Sometimes I watch
Halloween as well, but Halloween three, which I think now
finally is getting the love it deserve, that was hated
for so long. But Halloween three is such is such
an absolutely incredible, incredible for me. Know, we haven't talked
about it all, and we probably should talk about it
a little. Not that I was not that I really
even suggest in the show notes, But who cares? Because

(49:20):
this network, really the until network is obviously was built
by Doug Hychek, who's the Monster Quest creator and producer.
So this network is a very squatchy kind of network.
It's there's a great love of cryptozoology and cryptids here,
and I mean I'm certainly interested as well. Even though
it's not my wheelhouse, you being one of the key
plays in Small Town Monsters, it kind of is your wheelhouse.

(49:42):
So so is there any is there any big footy
stuff you'd like to talk about?

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Well, actually, there is a new series that's coming out
for us, that'll be on YouTube. It's out for our
squad members now, but will be out to the public
line Sunday at two pm. And it's called Investigation Bigfoot.
This one is about the Houston Sasquatch, so Pennsylvania based,

(50:12):
and it's just a different it's a series together. I mean,
we talked about Bigfoot a lot on our channel, but
this one we go about things a little differently in
that Courtney Breed Love and I take a new investigator
to the field, Aaron Deese, who is one of our coworkers.
He has done extensive research in the dog Man phenomenon,

(50:34):
but not so much Bigfoot yet. And the idea was
to bring him out and introduce him to a location
that he was completely unfamiliar with, but get him in
there with some seasoned researchers and can show him the
ropes to speak. And so we spent several days in
Pennsylvania meeting local researchers, talking to witnesses here experiences, getting

(50:56):
an idea of what the land is like, the environment
is like, and we filmed all of it. And that's
our new series and hopefully people really like it. It's
you know, we have multiple series on the channel. It
bounces from ones that are primarily interview based where we're
talking researchers or even it is like sitting on interviews.

(51:18):
Then you have Alexander Ptakovs Beyond the Trail type series.
He's always out in these beautiful places doing wild stuff,
but just out for days on end and you know,
like really rough and depending on which one you're watching,
the comments go different ways on how, you know, what
the audience prefers. And it seems like we've been getting

(51:41):
more of a push for the boots on the ground
type research. And although investigation Bigfoot isn't full on boots
on the ground, we were out for most of it.
We weren't you know, heavy out all night long or
anything like alex might be. But we were out in
the field and you know, seeing these places and we
did some investigating and they all you know, we had

(52:04):
some pretty cool stuff happen that luckily did get captured
on camera, which was super excited, and it only got
captured because Erin had in This will be covered on
like episode three, but Aarin had the thought because his
camera had died, he had the thought, I need to

(52:26):
pull out my phone right now, and so we have
some of the footage because he had a thought, I
needed to pull camera out where my phone out And
a lot of people, I mean, they have these weird
experiences and people all the time are like, why don't
why didn't she take picture? Why didn't you pull your
phone out? You know, So that was the big thing.

(52:48):
We're like, I can't believe you thought of that, because
there was so much happening for him to actually but
I think it was because partially he was in he
was in film mode where we were there to film
and he had a camera in his hand and it
died and he just he thought he thought it through
and pulled out his phone. So anyway, all that'll be seen,

(53:10):
but that comes out Sunday. So that's the big, big
bigfoot thing. Seth is currently in the edding process for
the Kinderhook Creature movie, which follows Bruce Hallenback's family out
of Kinook, New York and the experiences that they'd had
in the eighties with a big foot type creature along

(53:33):
with other weird stuff. It wasn't just bigfoot stuff that happened.
But that's the next the next new one. Our Siege
of A Canyon movie that Eli Watson filmed. I don't
it seems like a year ago. Now, it was a
while ago they filmed. It premiered in the spring. Our
Kickstarter Records have had it for a while, but we're

(53:53):
just getting it out for distribution finally due to hiccups
beyond our control. But it's coming out out soon, like
the next month, so that'll be out for a wider audience,
and I'm excited for people to see that.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
So I'm excited. I love both Alexander and Eli, so
anything they do. I just Eli's new film as well.
And A Canyon is one of the canonical big Foot tales,
Like it's something to me, it's probably to me, it
might be the most interesting big Foot tale of all.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah, small town monsters do what I cannot waste.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Yeah, I'm excited to see how people take it in
and it does a great job of preserving the story
but also talking about the modern day research that's gone
into it. I mean, you can't talk about you can
without myself.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I have his book that you know, Yeah, so such
a great book. Mark's great too, Yeah, I'm ok.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, yeah, so he's I mean, he's involved heavily involved this.
So you're gonna see Mark Marcel a lot on in
that movie, and yeah, I'm excited to get it out.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I'm excited to see your upcoming series that were you
filming as well, because you mentioned that Aaron pulled out
his phone when he's camera.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Yeah, so normally I am not the one camp I
can do. You know, I set up the interviews. I can.
I do the interviews sometimes, you know, scheduling, research, all
that stuff, But the cameras were always like, no, I
don't touch the cameras unless it's something where Because Courtney
and I had recently been going out by ourselves and

(55:38):
we filmed, like we filmed the Monroe Monster special that
was on YouTube several weeks ago, was back in July.
That was the first special that we gathered just us.
And you know, if a camera's on a tripod, I
can turn it on and I can hite record like.
I can do that. But aside from that, it's hard
for me to camera and keep it steady just because

(56:01):
I I naturally shake anyway. I've done it since I
was younger, so it's hard for me to keep a
camera study. However, when it came to filming this particular series,
we had gotten a new camera that has like a
little gimble thing on it so it steadies itself anyway,
whether I'm I mean, if I can't move it like
this or anything, but just the little movement, it still stabilizes.

(56:25):
So I got to run a camera and it was fun.
It was really cool during interviews, you know, trying to
get a different angle from because Aaron had like the
the actual point of view type angle. He's talking and
doing a lot of talking, and he was right there
with the camera, and then Courtney and I would walk

(56:46):
around and get various sides of the interview as well,
and it was just it was a lot of fun.
I really liked it. I named the camera Stanley, so yeah,
I liked it enough to name it.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Do you think going forward you'll be filming more and
upcoming like the future small Town Monster projects as well.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Yeah. I mean we already have plans to do something
in a few weeks, and I will have to because
I mean we're kind of at a position where if
Courtney and I are going to be going out because
by ourselves, because the guys are editing or getting things
ready for YouTube, you know, all of the other stuff,

(57:30):
and but we still need content filmed, and Courtey and
I are going out. I kind of have to. So
it's one of those situations where like, by necessity, I
gotta figure but I think I think I could do it.
I think I can do it.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Fantastic. It's exciting. Filming is so much fun. I'm glad
that you're getting into it because you get you. I
think you when you're when you are behind the camera,
you have this almost obviously you're not necessarily in danger.
But I understand how they talk about war photographers who
you kind of everything else doesn't matter, but what you're capturing,

(58:08):
like you've become very focused on I want to get
like nothing else around you kind of matter, as I'm
assuming you have that kind of feeling as well when
you're shooting.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Yeah, what ended up happening the one evening when we
were filming at dark, I at one point actually put
them or down so you help guide Courtney because when
it's dark and you're using this night vision the camera,
your face is blinded by the screen the camera, and

(58:38):
I put my camp because I was like, well, howpen
we don't need to for this and help guide her
through the woods so that she wouldn't end up breaking
her leg on down limbs or rocks or whatever, because
there was a lot of stuff to trip over. And
I mean that's things that I've done in the past
when we've filmed at night, where I helped guide people.
But I could tell that the thing is we're to

(59:00):
get really stumped up. So at one point I was,
I can't film right now, somebody's gonna break their leg.
I don't want to break my leg and I don't
want to watch somebody else do it, so I will
just tell guide people.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
I'm assuming most of our audience know how to watch
small Town Monsters content, but just in case they don't,
what are the best places to go to to get
a hold of it.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
So if you go to YouTube and go to small
Town Monsters our channel, you can find hundreds of hours
of content there. Every week we're putting out at least
two new episodes of something. It changes week to week
what particular series we're out, but every week about two
hours of new content, so there's always something to watch

(59:47):
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able to find on places like Amazon, or if you're
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(01:00:11):
I know it's a dying thing, but hey, if you
want to have it for nostalgia or something, you can
grab it there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I found out when I was at the Crossing Realms conference.
I bought your bell Witch movie on DVD. How could
I not? Yes, I mean yeah, convention just quickly you
had a lot of wonderful books that you'd written articles
in as well. How do people get a hold of
things like the Feminine Macabre that you've written in or

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other things? Where they Where do they find your stuff
that you've done to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
So if you go to Amazon and you type in
the Feminine macab that is a Each volume is a
collection of articles and essays by women in the paranorl
or PP. That's why it's called Feminine macobure or females
or female identifying. I should clarify that, but anyway, you

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can get that on Amazon. I am in volume one,
five and seven. I aimed for the odd numbers, so one, three, five,
and seven various topics. The first one does deal with
cursed objects in the letters that come with the belch
rots and things like that, so yes, you can do that.

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I also have a short story in a grouping called
The Dark Village and that's also available on Amazon. And
then coming of the shows where I'm vending or it's
just me vending, not STM vending, because that's a whole
different thing. But if it's just me vending, you can
find other magazines that I've had things printed in that

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may not be as easy to find elsewhere because they're
not in print anymore. So I've got articles and a
few those. Ultimately, I would love my goal within the
next year. I would love to pitch an article to
Fate magazine and see if it gets in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
We'll see the Raymond Palm history. Then if you write
a piece, yeah, well, have you pitched to forty Times?
I wrote for fortyen Times back in the day. I
don't have a contact now or give it to him.
I'm wondering how if I can think of somebody to

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give to find the connection of forty in Times. I
bet you I can't. I'll give it to you because
you should write a piece for fortyen Times as well.
Both of those magazines are spectacular.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
That would be that be fun, I guess I should say,
I mean not I get I know I should say,
especially since having Jason Hulot on next week. We also
published books. It's something that we started a few years back.
Our first book was a children vegement, and then the
second book was The Kinderhook cre which now we have

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a movie coming out, but Jason's book will be the
next one, and it comes out October sixth. It's called
Heart of Ice, Tracking the Wind to Go, and I
have been fortunate enough to help get the production or
the publishing company going, and I help edit the books
and format them and everything else. So it would be

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awesome if you guys got that. You can get those
on Amazon and our shop as well, and we're getting
wider distribution beyond that very soon.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Well that's excellent. I'm always curious to see what's coming
out from Small ten months and I always love to
consume it. Thank you so much for joining me tonight, Heather.
It was a great joy. Sam and I both loved
meeting you and your family when we were at Crossing Realms.
It's been a complete pleasure to talk to you again
on talking.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
With Oh, thank you for having me. I'm so excited
when you asked me to come on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Well, I'm honored that you came on to talk to
you again, Heather, which I hope will be in the
not too distant future and until I get to talk
to everybody else, which will be same weird time, Same
weird network, the Untold Radio Network next week Thursday at
nine p m. And Jason Ewlett, also part of the
small Town Monster's crew now is going to come on

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talking about the Wind to Go, which will be another
fantastic halloweeny kind of episode. Please keep it weird.