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July 17, 2025 222 mins
**Unveiled Secrets of Bigfoot: Open Mic Night with Untold Radio! 🦍🌲**

Join us for an electrifying episode of the *Untold Radio Show* as hosts Doug Hajicek and Jeff Perrella dive deep into the mysterious world of Bigfoot! This week, we’re shaking things up with a thrilling **open mic discussion**, where *YOU*, our live chat members, take center stage! Share your Bigfoot encounters, theories, and questions as we unravel the enigma of this elusive cryptid. 🕵️‍♂️

From strange disappearances to cutting-edge genomic studies and odd wildlife research, the *Untold Radio Network* explores the UNTOLD stories behind cryptids, mysteries, and the unexplained. Whether you’re a seasoned Sasquatch enthusiast or just curious about the unknown, this interactive episode is packed with chills, thrills, and mind-bending discussions! 🔥

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Looking back on life than leaveing then rested, hole in
the crowd, stick around through the crane.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
The feeding who the fire you're.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Dancing around or hearing the sound of treating normal cares where.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
He's coming from.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
My ears are still ringing and feeding. I guess we
are knew from.

Speaker 5 (00:35):
The start the days goes, you're one of these days
will be in the world.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Looking for answers. What it says to test my costo.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Costa in the fumes of the ashes, the spirits that

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al and.

Speaker 6 (01:33):
I Now we're life from the Untold Radio Network. It's
Untold Radio a M with Monster Quest producer host Doug
Hicheck and co host Jeff Parrella.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Junior.

Speaker 6 (01:45):
Untold Radio a M is going live right now.

Speaker 7 (02:05):
And here we are. Hello everyone, Hey, Jeff, he ello everybody.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
We've got a lot of people in chat, yeah already,
and yeah, we have a weird We have a weird
show tonight which we thought we'd have fun with. We
had a guest canceled the last second, and so we
just decided to do an open calling show. So if

(02:32):
you've never done a podcast, or you're real experienced, whatever,
we're going to give the opportunity for a whole lot
of people to jump on Tonight Live. We don't know
how it's gonna work.

Speaker 7 (02:45):
On a scale of on a scale of one to ten,
I'm gonna say I'm eight. I think I figured out
how to make it work. So I see, we'll make
it work for Jeff.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
We got to keep Jeff in panic model.

Speaker 7 (02:57):
It's okay, not panicking. It a little scramble to figure
it out, but I think I got to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Anyhow, it should be a very memorable show. And we're
going to have uh tick breakdown. Got a really cool
camera system. We want to talk about that. Will. I
think it'll blow your mind really because it's it's going
to change everything coming up. And actually yeah, actually the

(03:24):
cost is yeah, the lowest is about five hundred bucks now,
but I expect to see, you know, you know this
is going to go. It's going to be four hundred
and three hundred and you know eventually will be forty
nine bucks eventually. So I want to talk about that.
We've got weird animal clips, yeah, yeah, kind of a

(03:48):
new segment, and we've got a regular clips if we
want to go down that road, and a little bit
of news and that's it, and we're going to get
going to Yeah, so let me make announcement now. If
you want to be in the show tonight, all you
got to do Jeff is gonna listen to Jeff. He's

(04:10):
going to tell you how to do it. So why
don't you announce that now, Jeff.

Speaker 7 (04:14):
Sure, what we're going to do is you're gonna email
me here. I'll put up I have. I made a
little graphic here with my email. So email me with
your phone number and I will text you. Email me
your name and your phone number. I will text you
a link to join in. You can join in with

(04:36):
camera or without camera. When the time comes, I'll pull
up another picture and I'll show you exactly what to do.
But uh yeah, just email me your name and name
and cell phone number and we'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah. And so if you're in your your bathroom, no problem,
just turn your camera.

Speaker 7 (04:54):
You can turn your camera off. Yep.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, if you're all glitt'sy tonight, you want to come on,
a camera problem. If you're grubbing and you want to
come on gammera no problem. Whatever you want to do,
so it's up to you.

Speaker 7 (05:07):
Your earbuds with the microphone might make it better for
you if you have if you have earbuds handy, yeah,
that might work out better for you. But if not,
as long as you're not quiet room fine, yes, and.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
You're just not going to want to have your volume
too loud, right is the otherwise you might get an echo,
So we don't want that. And Jeff Will being kind
of in charge, and who comes on? And then once
we put you on, if you're done and you just
you've got a question, or you want to tell a story,
or you want to just hang out, just kind of

(05:39):
let us know, yeah, let us snow and it should
be should be not. So we'll try to get as
many people on as we as we can. But also
maybe nobody will want to come on.

Speaker 7 (05:52):
I'm sure there's a few people that want to be on.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
So here we go. All right, so let's do news,
and we have too much, but we've got a little
bit of cool news.

Speaker 8 (06:03):
Sure, all right, news bumper, here we go, untold radio
news that can be a bit weird, is right now?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
All right? Researchers launch a new effort to revive and
extinct Here we go, twelve foot tall bird species. Just
what we need running around twelve foot tall bird think
about that.

Speaker 7 (06:34):
The dinosaur man.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Ceiling is probably eight or nine feet. All so there
you go. It's gonna be a big one that Yeah,
and it maybe you can pull this one.

Speaker 7 (06:46):
Off because of you know, it's really recent.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, we have close relatives. Okay, so uh, says researchers
at the company Colossal biosign says they're launching a new
effort to revive the giant moa bird in its latest
effort to resurrect and extinct species. They're the ones that
did the so called dire wolf.

Speaker 7 (07:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because this is a pretty recent animal.
These coexisted with essentially modern humans. Yes, yes, so there
are better luck Yeah, or maybe we get a midget
moa that would actually be kind of cool too.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah all right, anyhow, moving on, Apparently the world's largest
known turtle nesting site was found in the Amazon jungle.
Isn't that cute? This is the giant South American river turtle,

(07:50):
also known as the I'm not sure how to pronounce it,
is that the aru the turtle?

Speaker 7 (08:00):
I'm not sure Aru Aru.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I'm gonna go with the rose.

Speaker 7 (08:04):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Apparently it's a threatened species native to freshwater lakes and rivers.
And apparently it also hangs out in the or Noco
or Rinco basin. So Reacher researchers part of my voice.
Researchers from the University of Florida have uncovered the largest

(08:30):
known nesting site and see they have found forty one
thousand nesting reptiles. So that didn't sound rare to me.

Speaker 7 (08:42):
Right, that's a lot of soup. Turtle soup.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
If you ever eating turtle soup.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
If your had turtle soup, it's great. I love turtle.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, I I did have turtle soup once from a snapping.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
Turtle tastes like alligator. I love alligator too, and frog
legs they'll taste.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Kind of similar chicken tastes like chicken.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
It tastes like it tastes like frog legs and alligator.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
So anyhow, apparently they deployed a u it says, a
meticulous squadron of drones to do this to find these
And also I was gonna throw up a story, didn't
have time of a big, huge gathering of anacondas that
they also found that totaled in the thousands. All gather Yeah, yeah,

(09:33):
I can imagine. No, I didn't say you should eat anaconda,
although apparently in Florida you probably couldn't should.

Speaker 7 (09:44):
Yeah, I've eaten rattlesteak. I haven't eaten I haven't eaten anaconda.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Anyhow, So, apparently these turtles because of what they found, Uh,
it seems like they're going out of the woods. They're
not so rare anymore.

Speaker 7 (09:57):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, and that astronomers and speaking of big, astronomers discovered
a giant alien planet thirty five times more massive than Earth,
hiding in a known star system. And apparently they looked
at the wabble you can throw up that picture?

Speaker 7 (10:20):
Oh I thought I did. I had it right here there.
You go.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Kind of looks like some other planets.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
Doesn't that a gas giant?

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, stripes, Yeah, it's a gas giant. And he always
called these gas giants planets. And I kind of go,
is it really a planet? Because you can't you can't
walk on it, or can you? No?

Speaker 7 (10:46):
I know, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
No.

Speaker 7 (10:49):
I mean, I'm sure it's it's at some point it's solid,
but the air, the pressure would be just insane. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Anyhow, So, apparently this alien planet was hidden and detected
in the world's says there examining the orbit of known
worlds and star system known as Kepler one thirty nine.
So the newfound exo planet called Kepler one thirty nine

(11:18):
F is a gigantic world, twice the mass of Neptune
and thirty five times the mass of Earth. So there
you go. What are you going to do with that? NFO? Nothing,
It's just cool to know. Yeah, so much variety out there,

(11:39):
so much all right. And then apparently there was a
really kind of a strange attack and escape of a
black bear on a dog. So Kayleie Roy, a West
Harford resident, was hiking a trail near Tailcott Mountain in

(12:03):
Simsbury on June twenty ninth and her dog, Phoenix, a
ten year old German Shephard mix. So apparently what happened
she had a bad feeling. A bear came out, attacked
her dog, dragged it away, and she beat it off
with a water bottle, a big water bottle, like a

(12:26):
ten pound water bottle. Guts, but she ended up saving
the dog. She rushed the dog to the to the
veterinarians and they ended up saving the dog. Apparently didn't
have you know, the puncture wounds weren't in any vital organs.
So they saved the dog. But oh my god, to

(12:47):
fight to fight off a black bear, it takes some
guts for a lady to do.

Speaker 7 (12:52):
So I'm surprised. Yeah, black parents are not aggressive him.
Something something must to really Yeah, well it had comes. Oh,
that would explain it.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
And in her words, she says, I was frantic and
freaking out. I couldn't believe I got that close to
a bear. We literally locked eyes, she said, describing the
teriffing experience. My dog was dripping blood and had a
lot of adrenaline. So I let her walk a little
after picking her up, after she got the dog free.

(13:26):
So there you go. And then a Reddit user who
just moved into Eastern Canada noticed an odd plant creeping
beneath her patio and apparently they were worried that this
rapid growth after a year would basically take over their home.

(13:49):
And do you know what this is? It's actually quick, calm,
and we have a lot of it here too. In minute,
Oh you do, and you are okay, it's just English.

Speaker 7 (14:01):
It's amazing all fasting grows.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, it's just English.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
Ivy.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
The fact that this stuff is an invader and it
is apparently aggressive invasive species. It says the vine can
can regrow from cutting, so if you chop it up,
it'll just you know, you're actually planting more of them. Yep,
So don't do that. So apparently it'll swallow your entire

(14:27):
house if you'll let it.

Speaker 7 (14:29):
Yeah, it took over my whole landscape area until they
forget what was going on. It's amazing how fast it grows.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I'd like to have a picture out there battling the
English ivy.

Speaker 7 (14:40):
Well, I just keep yanking it and throwing it in
the yard clipping dumpster because it's Yeah, you don't want
to you don't want to leave the you don't want
to leave the clippings are where.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah. It says their thick growth can deprive trees of
sunlight and make them prone to falling because of the
Vine's wait, your trees will tip over there you go.
That's it. That's all I got.

Speaker 7 (15:09):
That's it.

Speaker 9 (15:10):
We don't want to hear any negative news, do you No,
not at all? No, exactly. Let's do We've got some
audience trivia. Did any of those people.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
We gave or we didn't give. We just wanted to
send free LMS. Two posters signed. Did those go out?

Speaker 7 (15:34):
I believe so, not of Please email me, but I'm
pretty sure everything that's is. I'm pretty sure everything's been
sent out that we that we've talked about.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Good, good good. I was thinking on giving away. Uh no,
I'm not going to give away, I would say giveaway. No,
I'm just gonna mail you maybe, uh maybe one or
two of those to our audience. Yeah, but we're gonna
play audience trivia.

Speaker 7 (16:04):
Oh you know what I got. We got a cool
bumper here too for you want to play the bumper
for Legendi Science.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Oh you do, sure, go ahead. It's not a bumper,
you mean a like a little teaser, a little teaser head.

Speaker 7 (16:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool. Hold on, let's play that
right now. That's cool. I am really excited for that.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
And here, yes, we have for an update. We have
a little shoot we have to do out west and
I shoot out East and then one locally here and
we're done.

Speaker 7 (17:18):
Awesome. I'm already working on them.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, I'm already working on the post and I'm already
working on graphics and all those elements. And that was
just part of it.

Speaker 7 (17:28):
So so we're ready for audience trivia.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yes, and we're gonna we're gonna do it, and it's
going to be on Possoms or Old Awesome.

Speaker 7 (17:42):
We play our little bumper.

Speaker 10 (17:44):
It's now time for untold Radio, a m audience trivia.

Speaker 8 (17:52):
Who wants to play?

Speaker 7 (18:01):
All right? And the previous subject is boom.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, boom? Who wants to play? By where I'm waiting
for somebody that's got a big caps, big yes, come on,
Jeff b the clock.

Speaker 7 (18:23):
Flat Rockland's in. Okay, r X wants to play?

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, okay, so well we can have one more.

Speaker 7 (18:37):
Those next one more can join in. Russell Johnson all right.
So we've got flat Rockland, ver X and Russell Johnson.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
All right. So I'm gonna just hang on here. I'm
gonna get my trust to pen vera X, Russell and
flat rock right not rockly yep? All right?

Speaker 7 (19:04):
The first there are the first three, all.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Right, possums. They're the only marsupial you're likely to find
in North America, in north of Mexico, I should say,
and uh, the opossums include roughly is it forty species
or a hundred species of these things? Which one forty

(19:31):
or one hundred? So be quick, So and you guys
can play along, Jeff, you can keep track and let
me know who's forty Kenny forty forty year exes forty

(19:52):
down heres is one hundred and forty Verres. Okay, here's
how we're going to do it too. The first person
then gets it right. We'll get it Russell's forty where's
flat rock? Come on? Flat Rock? Oh?

Speaker 7 (20:15):
He was right away, he said, what did he say?
Or did I? Or did he? Let's see? Yeah, he
was the first one in. He said forty.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Okay, you're all wrong. Yeah, it's a hundred. Yes, there
were some people who aren't officially playing. They got it right.
I did get it right, like John Ayres got it right. Ye,
all right, so there's one hundred. Uh that says they're
often thought is the dim witted, dirty creature whose most

(20:45):
impressive trick is acting like they are sick or their roadkill?
Which one sick or roadkill? It's one or the other.
Do you have any music you can play? Jeff?

Speaker 7 (21:06):
Oh, I do you know what I do? Telling me?
Let's see here.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
There you go? All right, all right, we veryx's road kill?
Flat rock says road kill? So you guys are right?
Ye did flat rock way in yeah, you guys all

(21:37):
got it right now, Okay, all right, The truth is
just the opposite of possums are smarter, cleaner, and more
beneficial to people people, Did I say peeper people than
many of their woodland comrades? Okay? So is that true though?

(21:58):
Or is that false? Is that a whole bunch of crappers?
That true or false? That they're smarter, cleaner, and more
beneficial to people than many other woodland comrades. So it's
either true or false.

Speaker 7 (22:14):
Flat was in right away with the red.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Who else.

Speaker 7 (22:20):
About Russell? Everybody said true?

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Okay, you guys, I'll get it right. Well, kind of
tricky though, these.

Speaker 7 (22:28):
Are they are great animals. They really are beneficial to us.
I won't say more. We'll keep going, all right.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Are they the only marsupials found in North America? True
or false? Are they the only marsupials found in North America?
The true or false? And the marsupials? And you know
it's an animal has a pouch like a kangaroo.

Speaker 7 (23:02):
So Flat said true, Viric said false. Russell said false.
And the correct answer is false actually false.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, And the reason is because.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
Uh, Mexico is part of North America. I can't remember
which animal's down there, but that's why.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yes, And oh man, I don't know. I lost my place.
I'm like, oh yeah, the answer is false. Ye all right,
oh no, the answer is true on that one. The
other one that's false. Yeah, the other one that's false

(23:51):
that I hadn't even asked yet. Jeff, you're looking at
the wrong one. It's the answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, who
got it? Who got it true?

Speaker 7 (23:58):
I'm backwards.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
You're backwards, dude. You're looking at the wrong question.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
Flat, got it right? Okay?

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Anybody else, Jeff, anybody else?

Speaker 7 (24:15):
John Ayres is right.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
I know John's not playing.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
Oh no, no, no one else that was playing? Got
it right?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Okay, all right, all right, all right, we're gonna get
back on track here.

Speaker 7 (24:25):
Yeah. Sorry, all right, three different things here.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
They're the only marsupials phone. Okay, we did that. But
the babies are also called Joey's true or false, So
positive babies are called Joey's true or false. That's the question.

Speaker 7 (24:47):
Wait a minute, I gotta back up a second. We
got mixed up here. So they are the only marsupials
phone north of Mexico. Yes, that was the question. D
North America. That's it. So you kind of asked the question. Okay,
how wout we just skip that one?

Speaker 2 (25:07):
So I'll screwed up and then you Yeah, never mind,
Just let's stick to the question I asked. Possum babies
are they called Joey's true or false? Pizzas false? John
Ayras says false, Flat Rock and Lions says false. Russell
falls veryx true. So Vererex is right on that one.

(25:32):
Baby Possums are called Joey's just like kangaroos.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
Yep, all right.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Possums cannot choose when they play dead? True or false?
So so possums can't choose when they play dead?

Speaker 7 (25:58):
Mm hmmm, your true cons is true? Bruno Russell? Who's playing?
Russell's playing?

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Sorry russells are you okay?

Speaker 7 (26:16):
Jeff? Not really are going on here?

Speaker 2 (26:21):
All right? Yeah, it's true. They cannot control when they
played dead. They get scared. They dropped in m from
stress man. Excuse me, all right, says plane dead isn't
an It is not an act for apostles. Their body

(26:46):
enters a catatonic state in response to fear. So there
you go, all right, apossum possums can make an offensive
odor true or false. Just like a skunk, apossum can
make an offensive odor. True or false?

Speaker 7 (27:10):
Were like bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, yes, John, they're like Russell.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
Russell said true flat, and Viric said false.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
So who said true? Russell?

Speaker 7 (27:24):
Russell?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
And who said false?

Speaker 7 (27:28):
Virick said flat?

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Okay, it's true. They can produce a stink. So not
only do they play dead, they also put out a
putrid odor. Apparently, so it smells like a corpse. So
it's actually the smell beyond the dead, plain dead or

(27:52):
not plain dead, being looking dead. They produce a stinky
corpse like smell. Pretty good, trick, Yeah, that was good,
all right. Possums slow the spread of limes disease? True
or false? Can you turn the volume down on it?

(28:12):
Just delayful song? There we go. Yeah, that's way better.
So can they prevent this or slow the spread of
lime disease? To or false? Russell True? True, true, yep,
you guys are all right. The possums.

Speaker 7 (28:41):
What Jeff eats that's why.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yes, possums have really poor memories. True or false? They
have really poor memories. To or false?

Speaker 7 (29:05):
Flat said false? Russell said true and waiting on v Rex.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Here and what did Russell say?

Speaker 7 (29:19):
Russell said true, Flat said false. V Rex said true.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Okay, the answer is false false. So their memories are
surprisingly sharp, and they've done a lot of tests on
possums and they actually have a really good memory.

Speaker 7 (29:37):
So Russia, I'm sorry. Flat got that right, Flat Gut.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Was the only one that got that right. On top
of being immune to most forms of snake venom, is
that true or false? True or false? They're immune to
most types of snake venom. Eryx is true.

Speaker 7 (30:06):
No Very said that was the last one, so Very
said falls and Russell said false. So Flat Flat said yep,
Flat's right, and the other guys are wrong. Correct, they're wrong.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Okay, guys are all pretty tied up though. It's pretty crazy. Yeah,
all right, trying to move this along here, not have
too many more? Uh says here?

Speaker 7 (30:40):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
On the snake venom follow up, it says, while most
animals look at snake and see danger of possum sees
its next meal, they eat snakes and thus they're pretty
immune to it.

Speaker 7 (30:55):
Mm hmm, all right.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Possums never get rabies true or false. Possums never get
rabies true or false? I got some false coming in

(31:17):
erics is false?

Speaker 7 (31:19):
Flat said false, Russell said false. And lyrics waiting a mine.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Flat says false.

Speaker 7 (31:32):
Russell said false.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yep, And the answer is so all three, all three
of them got false.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
Virick isn't answered yet. Come on, Virecks, come on, well,
let's move on.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
All right, The answer is false. They almost never get rabies,
but they do occasionally on rare occasions. All right, But
a lot of people link to every aby's because they
hiss a lot. All right. Their tails are scaled and

(32:16):
act like a fifth appendage two or false, And I
don't care about that one, so we're gonna skip over it.
This is the one I want to do. Is it
a myth that they can hang upside down from a
tree branch and sleep that way? True or false? So
can possum sleep hanging by their tail? Yes, it's a

(32:45):
prehensile tail. But can they sleep hanging paris? Is false?
He's true?

Speaker 7 (32:59):
Flats is not a myth?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
So who gotta who got it right? You know the answer? Jeff?

Speaker 7 (33:07):
Mmm, I think everybody's wrong. Yeah, it is a myth.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, it is a myth because they can only hold
on for a very short time by their tail. They
can for a little while, but not very long, so
they can't go to sleep. So there you go. So
everybody got that one wrong, right, it's kind of helping

(33:36):
one person will get it right.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
Nope, next up?

Speaker 2 (33:44):
All right? They are constantly self grooming? True or false?
So are they grooming themselves quite a bit? Or are
they not? True or false? Bossum's groomb what? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (34:10):
Flat said false and flat said true? Which one is it?

Speaker 2 (34:19):
The grooming?

Speaker 7 (34:21):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
They are constantly grooming. They're pretty clean, so they take
cleanliness seriously. According to the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife,
possums are like house cats. They use their tongues and

(34:45):
pause to groom frequently. So who got it right?

Speaker 7 (34:53):
Lyrics? Yours?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
All right?

Speaker 7 (34:57):
Good?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
All right, let's just make this the last one. Their
eyes aren't totally black, true or false. Their eyes aren't
totally black, true or false? So the black eyes Kenny, Yes,

(35:24):
it's true. Jones's true. Tephanie An, this is true.

Speaker 7 (35:32):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yes, their eyes are not completely they might seem completely
black as One of their most recognizable features are their
opaque type eyes. Opossum eyes do have whites and irises,
but because their pupils are usually dilated, they look dark.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
Interesting. These animals, they are actually really beneficial to people.
They're good to have, and they live people you don't.
You know, not often, but they live everywhere. They're all
over the place doing some counting there.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yep, it's pretty much a tie, all three of them.
So I guess we got to give all three of
them a poster.

Speaker 7 (36:21):
All right. So guys, email me your even if even
if I've had it from before, just email me again
your your mailing address here, I'll post. I'll post the
email again jeffp at Untold Radio am dot com. So
please email me or your info and we'll get that

(36:42):
out to yet.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, that sounds good. Before we go any further, we
have Carls up in the back room that popped in.
Let's let Carlin.

Speaker 7 (36:51):
Sure welcome Carl here he comes. Hi, Carl, Hey, guys,
how are you a very good?

Speaker 11 (36:59):
Very good?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I like your shirt.

Speaker 11 (37:02):
Yeah, it's kind of little summary bigot shirt.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
It's good. All right, We're about to play some weird
animal clips.

Speaker 7 (37:17):
Very weird.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Comments are welcome. Let's start out with one that is weird.
And I think you have a you have a new
bumper you like to.

Speaker 10 (37:35):
Here we go, it's time for Untold Radio A strange
animal clips and you thought Bigfoot was weird.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
I don't think that was mixed real well. In the audio,
it's said at the end, and you thought Bigfoot was weird?
Anybody missed it?

Speaker 12 (38:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (38:01):
Yeah, yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
All right. First one, Clip one A no sound. There
probably isn't gonna be any sound in any of these.
There was. We're gonna really whip through these quick, Jeff, Okay.
So Clip one A. This is the blue poisoned dart frog.

Speaker 7 (38:22):
I think they're weird.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Anything blue in nature, especially in a reptilesst bizarre. Did
you ever catch those blue tailed skinks when you're a kid, girl, Yeah,
I did too. I always thought that was so cool,
blue tail. It just seemed so unnatural.

Speaker 7 (38:39):
All right.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Clip two B, no sound. This is the lesser blind
mule rat. Just one of the ugliest creatures ever invented.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
I think, yep, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
There is that just gross, terrible nightmares. Clip three C.

Speaker 7 (39:04):
That one didn't come through. Got to skip that one.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Oh that's fine, all right, Just so you know what
you missed. It was a giant clams neck their body,
its neck sticking way out. It's just weird. So you
can look that up on your own, all right. The
next one, clip four D. This is a babarussa pig.

Speaker 7 (39:30):
Wow, that is a strange animal.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yes, we do have well and like I said, that
big what was weird? The next one is just as weird.
No sound. It's a toughted deer. This is a toughted deer.
But you see the fangs. It resides in Asia. All right.

(39:57):
The next one, no sound. Some people are familiar with this,
but it's one of my favorite weird birds. It's a
secretary bird.

Speaker 7 (40:05):
Yeah, the cool bird.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
They're just cool. It's like an eagle on stilts with
a headdress. All right. Next, uh, the next one, yep.
No sound on this. Yep. It's a deer that's called
a dick dick.

Speaker 7 (40:25):
No jokes, no jokes.

Speaker 13 (40:27):
It is cute.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I mean, I love the nose on the thing.

Speaker 11 (40:31):
That's an it's in India.

Speaker 7 (40:33):
I actually got to.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I wonder why they call it the dick dick. I'm
joking the I K but yeah it's d I K
D I K I know, but you do wonder because
it does have an interesting nose, right Jeff right?

Speaker 7 (40:54):
Oh I never Yeah, became a cool animal and They're
really small, aren't they. I think they're really small.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, they're small, all right. Next, I want you all
to meet the Mark or do you know ever see
one of these carl No, never have. This is a
cliff scaling goat with spiral horns that can grow up
to five feet long.

Speaker 7 (41:16):
Look at that.

Speaker 11 (41:17):
I mean in Arizona we've got you know, big horn sheet,
but nothing like that.

Speaker 7 (41:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, it's just it's so weird.

Speaker 13 (41:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
If I saw that, I think it was in some
kind of a movie set for Star Wars. That's called
the Markhorr cliff scaling goat. Okay, Next one is a
horned now I don't want to pronounce, is y Won?
I think the I think the geus silent, isn't it

(41:46):
y Won? It's a unicorn bird and that's kind of
a hard horned thing.

Speaker 11 (41:53):
Kind of look like he's permanently hitch hiking.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, it's like a thumb.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Clip eleven is an ardvark, and a lot of people
have heard the name ardvark. Seldom have people seen one.
This is an ard work and they eat ants, insect peters.
They have a long tongue.

Speaker 7 (42:20):
God, they're weird.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
It really is when we start getting these things back
to back. Okay, you've seen the shells of these and
clip twelve, and you've seen.

Speaker 7 (42:35):
That one didn't come through either. Cut it out. There's
two there. That's the last one. Everything else I got.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
I wanted to show that one.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
It's so cool come through. Then the other beautiful animals.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I think, well, yeah, the shell, but not the animal.
They haven't. This is really cool.

Speaker 7 (42:53):
A time to track that down.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Moving on, move along, move along. Are there any more
that aren't tracked down?

Speaker 13 (43:01):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (43:02):
Yeah, there's one clip that come through.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Then you introduced these. You know which ones.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
When we get to it, I'll let you know. Oh
my goodness, it's in Doug's clips.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh okay, all right. Clip thirteen. Uh, this is called Hella.
Meet a crab. It's one of the ocean's best camouflaged crabs.
It almost looks like a prane mantis, but this is
underwater and it's a crab. This little green, little pincher

(43:38):
pinchers so delicate. It's amazing, it really is. Think of
all the little crabs I haven't even discovered yet.

Speaker 7 (43:49):
Oh, it's got to be countless. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
The next one is a school of venomous eel catfish.
This is a whole school of venomous eel catfish.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
It looks like it's walking. That's wild.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, Carl's gonna have a bad dream about these. Yeah
I am. It's just weird when things cool up like that. Okay.
The next one is uh tip here or a taper,
and it's a little calf. Another weird animal.

Speaker 11 (44:34):
They have those zoo and back in nineteen seventy six,
I was a like a junior zoo keeper in the summertime,
and remember, you know, got to feed the tapers and
got the best one was though, feeding the alligators because
you know you've got a wheelbarrow full of certain necks

(44:55):
and boy, those those alligators or something else when.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
They well, I've heard these tapers have one weird quality.
I'm not gonna talk about. Do you know what I'm
talking about, Carl, I do not. Oh, okay, I'm not
going there. But they have they have a unique let's
just say an.

Speaker 11 (45:18):
Organ Okay, Yeah, it's unique. Probably related to the uh
that that small ear that you had up before I
got it?

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Uh what again?

Speaker 7 (45:35):
Next sixteen?

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah, sixteen? Are we have the basking shark. Now, what's
weird about these is they can They're the second largest
fish in the ocean, and they grow up to forty
feet long. Such a strange creature. They just swim with
their mouth open, catch a little plankd in and plankton

(45:59):
and things like that. They filter filter feeder, but you
just wouldn't think a filter feeder would get that big
what they do.

Speaker 11 (46:06):
That's kind of like a whale shark. Yeah, the whale
shark is probably bigger.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
Is the biggest.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I think they're the biggest.

Speaker 7 (46:13):
Yeah, all the biggest whales are filter feeders. It's crazy.

Speaker 11 (46:15):
I saw one down in the I saw a whale
shark down in the Gulf California, down in Mexico. That
was that was pretty You know, you're in a kayak
and all of a sudden it's like, oh my god,
like it came in to check me out.

Speaker 13 (46:33):
Now.

Speaker 11 (46:35):
I thought, well, this might be it. And then I'm like,
oh no, wait, it's a whale shark. I'm like, they're
very yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yes, And of course whales are mammals, so they're not
a fish. These are actual fish.

Speaker 11 (46:47):
Yep, they are.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
People are no. I see some people are guessing about
the taper source and says Corkscrew. No, Eric, you're wrong there.

Speaker 7 (47:04):
That was actually my guess, but I didn't know. It's
not I don't know the answer.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
No, but I'll just say the word large. Ill just
leave it at that. We'll leave it at that. Yes, yes,
all right, tech breakdown. Let's do that, and then we're
gonna do you guys, get ready, anybody wants to come on,
and we'll keep reminding people because there will be new

(47:29):
people joining. Uh, if you want to come on, just
make sure you put something in all caps. So oh,
they have to email you.

Speaker 7 (47:39):
Correct, Jeff, yep, I've got one so far.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Okay, all right, so we have one. If you want
to join in, you can join in right now. We're
going to do a tech breakdown on a really cool
camera system. Okay, all right, so just you and Carl.

(48:10):
I'm staying off camera because I'm gonna talk about this
camera throw up that first photo. What I want to
talk about is a camera system. And these are two
different cameras there. There's one an expensive model and a
more expensive model. This is a bi spectrum camera. That's
what I want to talk about. By spectrum, what does

(48:32):
that mean? That means it produces an IR signal, a
regular color signal, but then another lens it's right by
the other lens is a thermal camera. And what's cool
is in your computer you can combine all of these
or if you see something weird, you can look at

(48:55):
it with a thermal camera and a regular camera right,
or you can shut one off and leave the other
one on. But they both incorporate artificial intelligence. Have you
heard of a by spectrum camera? If anybody I would
have it would be you, Carl.

Speaker 11 (49:12):
Yeah, so gosh, so what year was? At twenty eleven,
I actually took two Border Patrol agents and about ten
twelve Border Patrol explorers up onto Mike Mount Graham in Arizona,
which is about it's about I don't know where we

(49:35):
were camping. It is probably about nine thousand feet, so
you know, it gets up into Canadian climate temperate zone
up there.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
But the.

Speaker 11 (49:45):
And they brought along a camera that I still I
have no idea how much it is, but it actually
combined like Gen three night vision with thermal overlay. Yes,
and you could do it looking straight through it. And
that was fantastic. And even though at my location where

(50:07):
I was with some of the kids, we didn't actually
see one. The other border patrol agent and a bunch
of kids actually got to see a big foot up there.
So but very cool that was. That was pretty neat.
So you you know a bunch of high school kids,
you know, they just want to interest it in being

(50:29):
border patrol.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
So but that was twenty eleven. So they had the
technology way back, but now it's available to the public.
So Carl got a look at some government stuff. They
always have everything way before we ever, slowly civilians get
a hold of this technology. But what's cool. Okay, so
here's what's cool. Throw up the other photo job for

(50:51):
the other camera, just a single one is kind of
a close.

Speaker 13 (50:54):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
But you can see these two lenses. Now, they're not
real big, they're you know, these anywhere between two millimeters
and seven millimeters. They're very small lenses. But one lens
is a thermal the other is a regular camera that
goes from color and IR and you've got just every
combination of things you can do. You could trigger it

(51:18):
just to go off and let you know if something
that's on two legs that's walking by. These are going
to be a game changer. And I think every security
camera at some point will be by spectrum. You know,
thermal cameras get cheaper and cheaper and cheaper, but the
technology is available now. You can go all the way

(51:39):
from this one's five hundred bucks four ninety nine, or
you can spend eleven hundred. I'm sure you can spend
way upwards of that, you know, going yeah, just these
are these are on Amazon. That's why I picked these two,
because they're you know there, but I'm sure you know,
the sky's a limit on what you want to spend,

(52:00):
what you could get. But they do work good, and
they do have a lot of AI technology. They have
two way audio, so that's kind of a cool, so
you can broadcast sounds. If you are getting a lot
of visitors at your house or a cabin, you can
put one of these up and you're gonna need though,

(52:22):
I do believe you're gonna need some kind of a
DVR to record the footage onto. And they're not they're
not that expensive DVRs, I know, you know, I mean
I've seen my garage sales for five bucks, you know,
or you get a new one for five hundred with
a lot of storage. I mean, that's just it's all
over the map on DVRs, so I say five hundred

(52:46):
or less. So there you go. This what else here? Yeah,
then you can do a fusion, which is when you
take the two modes and you do an overlay. And
there is a camera project that Logan has and I

(53:07):
know he has one of these cameras up. It's being
used for the first time for bigfoot research right now.
So that's by Spectrum. All right, that's enough of that
crap and let's get into the topic here.

Speaker 7 (53:28):
I have one person I sent it out. I haven't
got they have not logged in yet, but as long
as we got a second here, I will explain what
to do. So anyone's welcome to call in if you
if you, like I said, if you email me with
your phone number, I will send you a link that
you can click on on your phone and the screen

(53:48):
will look like this, so you could put your name
in there if you If you look in the bottom
where that red little button is that that turns your
camera on and ops if you want to come on
without camera, yeah right now that if it's if it's
red like that, it means your cameras off. So you

(54:08):
can you can turn the camera on and off to
join in. But yeah, anyone, please please email me again.
I'll put that email up if you want to join in.
Hold on a second.

Speaker 11 (54:19):
Yeah, what's the fun in that if you don't turn
your camera on?

Speaker 7 (54:22):
Yeah, I just if some of the first Yeah I would.
I would rather have your on camera. But if someone's
nervous about that, I understand. But yeah, so email me
with your cell phone number and I will text you
a link and we'd love to get you on. And
it looks like Rusty is ready to go Rusty aka
William Robinson.

Speaker 13 (54:40):
So.

Speaker 7 (54:42):
Let me pull this off. Hold on a second. That
and I think it would be wise to play this.

(55:06):
And just a reminder before I bring here on rust
I know you know this, but just anybody else's the reminder.
This is family friendly, so we gotta watch our watch
our language and whatnot. So you there, Doug, Yeah, I'm
ready to bring on Rusty.

Speaker 13 (55:19):
Here.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
I am here, so yeah, let's bring on Rusty. And
then flat Rock Rockland said he would like to jump on.
He's got a quick story.

Speaker 7 (55:30):
I can, I can email. Let's get the rest of you.
You're ready there, all right, he's just getting settled in here.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
To get settled in. All right, Carl, What in the
hell have you been up to lately on research?

Speaker 7 (55:44):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (55:44):
Gosh, I'm doing I've been doing a lot of I'll
just say, you know, paper research of late. I am
planning next weekend actually to go up to go up
into the mountain uh for the for a three four
day weekend. I'm not sure which yet, but I'll be

(56:06):
going up to my research area and hanging out, uh
with with the big guys.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
So what is the what is I know you've told
this story about in brief. What is the weirdest situation
that ever happened to you in an encounter?

Speaker 11 (56:25):
Oh gosh, it would have to be the one where
where you know, I had my head cupped through the
tent and then my body lifted off the air mattress
about three am in the morning, and you know, and
you could just feel the whole hand just cupping the
head as it looked. So, I mean, I woke up
and my shoulder blades are off the air mattress and

(56:49):
and then the moment I started, I kind of turned
like what's going what you know, and start waking up
and then it just gently let me down and you
could hear dermal ridges on the tent material just kind
of zip and then my pedal walking off the you know,
walking away, and you know, and I'm a big guy.
I gotta you know, I don't have a big head.

(57:11):
I'm not big headed, but yeah, you know, I I
do have a big skull.

Speaker 14 (57:15):
And it uh.

Speaker 11 (57:18):
Yeah, it it completely it it My head was small
in its hand, I'll just.

Speaker 7 (57:24):
Put it that way.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Wow, I mean, did you did you at that point
literally fear for your life? You know what?

Speaker 11 (57:32):
I actually didn't. And in fact, I kind of sat
up and I unzipped the corner of my tent to
see if I could, you know, get a get a
glimpse of it, you know, and I could. I could
hear where it was walking, but I just couldn't. I
couldn't see it anymore. But yeah, I'm I'm not after
seeing one run full tilt through the woods, you know,

(57:57):
and they're so fast and they're so and you know,
and look at different structures they build and the way
they've you know, there was one where it was probably
a seventy five foot tall ponderosa that had been moved
over in order to make a giant axe. And you know,
one of them was just you know, sitting there, you know,
was was was a like a tree fall and they

(58:17):
brought over this other bog from I don't know where,
I looked within probably two hundred feet around that entire
tree area, you know, And so they had hauled that
tree over and placed it in that location. And you know,
once you once you understand how they're so incredibly strong
and fast, you know, it's like and you just have

(58:38):
to reconcile with yourself and say, you know, they could
take me at any time, and they don't, so don't
worry about it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
There's always that little statement called not yet.

Speaker 13 (58:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (58:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
By the way, I want to jump back to the
camera because, like Eric's saying, what model, just search up
by Spectrum camera on Amazon. The only two cameras they
have will come up, which are the two eyes showed
by Spectrum by Spectrum security camera. Yep, they'll pop up

(59:15):
and you'll be able to find them. And yes, you
can eliminate the elimination on them. There's a lot of
things you can do, So give us the wave whenever
you're ready.

Speaker 7 (59:26):
On Rusty, Yep, he's ready. And Flat, I did Flat,
I did email you a link if you prefer that
I texted to you, just send me another email back
and I can with your number and I can text
it to you. But I didn't send it to you.
And here we are welcome Russy to the show. Hello,
Hi guys, good to say Yeah, good to see you again.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Carl. David Parker said, that was probably a curious juvenile.
I grabbed you.

Speaker 11 (59:55):
It was a pretty big hand. But yeah, there's more
to that story. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't a juvenile, David.
But I mean it could have been. Who knows. I
didn't get a good I didn't get it really a look.
I just heard him take running off, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
So so I know, are you familiar with Carl's work?

Speaker 12 (01:00:21):
Yes, yes, not in detail. I hadn't heard that particular
story before, but I had heard of him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yes, yeah, It's crazy. I couldn't even comprehend being touched, slapped, shoved,
picked up the tent, even even being in a tent
and having them push on the dob would be really.

Speaker 11 (01:00:42):
Weird right well, and in that same vicinity, probably within
a I don't know, I want to say a third
of a mile away from where I was camping that night.
There was a husband and wife actually had where one
had actually pushed down on the tent and the wife
woke up because it was touching her nose and she

(01:01:06):
was like and she didn't know, and she opened her
eyes and the whole tent was pushed down. Wow, and
she screamed and her husband woke up, and then the
tent popped up and you could hear bipedal running off,
you know.

Speaker 7 (01:01:18):
So yeah, there used the reminder too. We've had Carl
the show a couple of times recently. Highly recommend to
go back and look at those shows if you haven't either,
great great episodes. Carl has been a great guest, So yeah,
I highly recommend going back and watching those.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:01:35):
But yeah, it's uh, you know, every time I go
up there, I expect to have an have interaction. And
and of late, whenever I roll into my you know,
uh my campsite, uh it uh you know, I don't
I hardly even get a lawn chair out of the
out of the back of the car, and and uh

(01:01:57):
you know, there'll be uh you know, rock clacks or
or just a tree knock. And this is daytime, you know, nearby,
not not a really big boom. You know, but but
you know, and uh, you know, and I just kind
of say, hey, hey guys, I'm here, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:02:14):
And Carl, can you say just in general, not specifically,
what area of the country you're in or your side
is in?

Speaker 13 (01:02:22):
Sure?

Speaker 11 (01:02:22):
Sure, Well I'm in Arizona and uh the the uh
it's up on on the Mogion Rim.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Oh.

Speaker 11 (01:02:30):
Yeah, big escarpment that cuts the state pretty much in half.
But it has the world's largest ponds of pine stand
contiguous ponds pine stand in in the in the world
up there.

Speaker 12 (01:02:43):
So I know, the last December, I guess it was,
and we drove around. We didn't didn't camp or anything,
but it's been It's beautiful up there, spectacular forest you
wouldn't expect in Arizona.

Speaker 11 (01:02:56):
And I am I get I go way back, way back,
and in the winter time it's all closed because there's
piles and piles of snow up there.

Speaker 12 (01:03:06):
So well that's neat. I you know, I enjoyed it
up there. I hope someday maybe I'll get a chance
to go up there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
You just don't think of that area as being bigfooty,
But can you describe, you know, where these things happen.
They don't happen in the desert. They're happening in the
forested area.

Speaker 11 (01:03:32):
Well they're actually so you know, the same the same thing, right,
if you have cover, if you've got you know, if
you've got food, and if you've got you know, water, right,
you know, they could anybody, you know, and uh. And
there's areas down in the desert that have all three
and uh. And in fact, there's one desert area that

(01:03:54):
I've been to several times. I actually got a photo
of one peeking out.

Speaker 13 (01:03:59):
From this.

Speaker 11 (01:04:02):
Area across the river that that I was that was
at I mean, and everybody everyone with me said suddenly
was like I feel like I'm being watched, and you know.
And then I was like, okay, I'm going to start
taking photos, you know. And uh and here's one just
peaking out like that, and and and it would really
blend in except that they're the glint off of the

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eye that you could really spot it in there.

Speaker 13 (01:04:26):
But it no.

Speaker 11 (01:04:29):
They I've found all kinds of structures down in the
desert as well. But right this time of year, I'm
not I'm not going down in the I like, I
like getting getting cool up in the mountains.

Speaker 12 (01:04:41):
From it's not awful in the desert in Arizona right now, right, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:04:45):
I normally go up there between November and uh March,
uh maybe early April. Uh, you know, down in the
desert areas. But you know, well when my when my
northern sight is closed for the for the duration of winter.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
So is that where they so that Travis Walton man,
is you know alien encounter abduction.

Speaker 11 (01:05:12):
Yes, absolutely, I'm not. I'm probably it's it's not far.
It's probably about ten miles with my location is probably
about ten miles from Travis Walton's area. And I actually
I actually got to meet him and talked to him
for probably gosh an hour. It was at the State Fair,

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believe it or not. And and it was they had
a big alien encounter tent set up. And I went
in there and there was all kinds of stuff in there,
and I was like, oh, this is great. And I
look over in the corner and and I was the
only one in the tent. I mean, it was a
large tent, and and there's Travis sitting in the corner
and he had a bunch of pile of books, you know,

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And and I just pulled up a chair and we
sat down and but you know, it was all the
way from there to the end of the State of
the State, you know, when the state fair closed that day,
you know, I just sat there talking with him and
bought a book and had him sign it, you know.
But yeah, it was pretty interesting, especially since I mean, Arizona,

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you have such clear skies most of the time, you end,
you know, you can see all kinds of strange things.
I mean, in fact, in you know, nineteen ninety seven,
March thirteenth, you know, I was working late in downtown
Phoenix and walked out of work and there was the
Phoenix Lights pretty much overhead.

Speaker 13 (01:06:37):
So.

Speaker 11 (01:06:39):
You know, and at the time, I was like, I
don't know what, you know, but I was exhausted and
put in like a thirteen hour day, and I was
like I got to get home. And I get home
and turn on the news and at ten and they're
like they're like, oh my dad, you know, Like I
was like, I saw it, you know, yeah, I didn't
really put two and two together when I saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Yeah, I had the pleasure of getting to know Mike
Rogers and to hear it, you know, straight out of
their mouth. What happened From another witness, is pretty cool.

Speaker 11 (01:07:11):
Oh it was, you know when I when I, I mean,
when I think back on it, it was like it
was not it blocked out stars overhead, you know, you know,
in between the lights, which is but the lights were
really weird.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
It was.

Speaker 11 (01:07:29):
It wasn't It wasn't a tail light, you know, or
any mark marking lights on an airplane or a helicopter,
you know. I mean my initial thought when I saw
it was that it was a you know, it was
maybe a formation of helicopters. But where it was heading
south pretty much down twenty fourth Street in downtown Phoenix.

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There it was you know, that's restricted airspace, you know,
because Sky Harbor Airport is just right down the road
from there, and that is that would bisect the planes
on approach.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
So I was gonna mention, if you're not talking, just
mute your mic. No way, we don't have any of
the background, Rusty, could you mute your mic? Just just
tell us if you're talking, just kinda keep your mouse
button right over that mic the mute thing, and then
go ahead and chime in. I think Flat Rockland is

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in the back room. Yep, he's in the grand room.
Let's bring them on We're still happy to bring on
more people here. People can you don't have to stay
for the whole show. You can come in, tell a
story and get the hell out.

Speaker 12 (01:08:38):
So, you know, I was going to ask Carl has
he been able to spend any time in the Superstition Mountains,
which are not far from Phoenix.

Speaker 11 (01:08:47):
I almost fascinating, absolutely, Oh yeah, it's back of hiked
all the way back into what's called Revis Ranch, which
is was I want to say, a settler, you know,
a prospector that lived out there and had a cabin

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with a planted apple orchards out there, and they he
was he was really smart because so many other people
that went out there, uh you know, would get attacked
by Apache out there all the time. And what he
would do and I was just gonna sound funky, but

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he would actually at at every evening when he was
at the cabin, he would strip naked and then go
out and and take a stick and run around, run
around in the apple orchard. And you know, because he
understood the Apache you know, the Apache legends, which was

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that if someone was crazy and you killed them, it
would release the that inner demon, you know, and you know,
and it could infect you. So he was never he
was never touched during there, just because of that little
bit of knowledge he had. So it's a weird story, David.

Speaker 7 (01:10:12):
I did. I did text it to you. It looks
like I got your number right. I will email it
to you as well, but if you check your I
don't know. I didn't go through, but I did text
it to you. So here I'm I'm emailing it to
you too.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
All right, flat, can you hear us?

Speaker 14 (01:10:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:10:33):
How are you?

Speaker 13 (01:10:34):
Hi?

Speaker 14 (01:10:34):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Hi? Hi?

Speaker 14 (01:10:37):
Hey, I got your hat on again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Yeah, I see the all right, Oh my god, okay, sorry, Rusty,
what's your story?

Speaker 15 (01:10:51):
Okay, Well, last time I was on you asked what
the weirdest thing I heard was out in the woods,
and I was thinking about it. There's one time I
was in a tent in Greenwater, one of those weird
lakes where I had that last encounter.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
I heard.

Speaker 14 (01:11:10):
It was exactly two o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 15 (01:11:12):
I heard what sounded like a poll Uh what do
you call those those machines that hid in the big
poles for like the freeway.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
It just.

Speaker 14 (01:11:24):
Pile driver, the rusty pile driver. But this was ten
to fifteen miles in the bush.

Speaker 15 (01:11:32):
I'm thinking maybe they're doing freeway work, but that that
was so far away, there's no way it could have
been freeway work.

Speaker 14 (01:11:38):
So so here's the thing.

Speaker 13 (01:11:41):
It did.

Speaker 15 (01:11:42):
About five of them stopped in a rhythmic pattern, and
I was saying, maybe gunshots.

Speaker 14 (01:11:46):
No, definitely not gunshots. One minute later it had started again.

Speaker 15 (01:11:51):
Seven of them stopped one minute later, five stopped one
minute later, eleven and one minute later I.

Speaker 14 (01:11:59):
Think it was eight and then and that was it.
But it's exactly two o'clock, and I don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:12:06):
I don't know if there's a reasonable explanation if someone's
digging a well in the woods at two in the morning. Anyway,
that that was very weird, and it was in a
spot where there's been lots of activity. I've talked to
a couple of people that have had bigfoot reports.

Speaker 7 (01:12:23):
There.

Speaker 14 (01:12:24):
Just a weird, weird noise, So I don't know what
to make of that. And it was metallic.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
It was metallic, Yeah, did it?

Speaker 7 (01:12:31):
Did it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Maybe selling something was beating a rock against an existing
pole or louder.

Speaker 15 (01:12:39):
It was it was often the distance. It was loud,
but it's very rhythmic, perfectly rhythmic.

Speaker 7 (01:12:46):
So weird.

Speaker 15 (01:12:49):
Yeah, So I just wondered if anyone's heard anything like that.
I've I've actually heard one story. I think it was
small town monsters and someone was maybe New York, and
they were talking about hearing a pile driver noise.

Speaker 14 (01:13:03):
That's the only other time I've heard that.

Speaker 7 (01:13:05):
But bizarre.

Speaker 11 (01:13:07):
I've heard them beat on on power lying towers, Okay,
but it wasn't didn't sound like piled drivers, sounded more
like sounded more like a Star Wars blaster.

Speaker 14 (01:13:21):
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 12 (01:13:24):
Yeah, Yeah, I've heard anything like that. I think I've
heard stories of it, like like you were saying, but
I can't personally say I've heard anything like that.

Speaker 14 (01:13:35):
It's just that metallic noise in the woods is always
bizarre at two in the morning.

Speaker 7 (01:13:41):
Yeah, that is strange.

Speaker 14 (01:13:43):
Cool.

Speaker 7 (01:13:44):
Well, how far out were you?

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Like, will you wai out in the woods from.

Speaker 15 (01:13:49):
The trailhead seven miles but over the ridge there's four
to ten. It's Highway four ten is Chinook Pass. It
goes over from the west side of the mountains by
mounta Rainier and then over to the other way side.

Speaker 11 (01:14:07):
We've driven on that road.

Speaker 14 (01:14:08):
Yeah, it's beautiful.

Speaker 15 (01:14:09):
But where I was the actual four to ten was
you're probably looking at a good ten miles.

Speaker 7 (01:14:17):
At least.

Speaker 11 (01:14:18):
Oh yeah, and it was weird.

Speaker 13 (01:14:21):
There's a lot of.

Speaker 15 (01:14:22):
Sasquash activity back there, but there was a fire a
couple of years before that, and it's kind of all
burnt back there, which is sad.

Speaker 14 (01:14:29):
So I don't know how that is going to affect,
you know, activity in the future.

Speaker 7 (01:14:36):
But I have to.

Speaker 11 (01:14:38):
I have to go to Seattle in let's see, what
is it? Three weeks now? Nice for work, but.

Speaker 15 (01:14:45):
Okay, yeah, I'm in Takoma, like thirty miles south. Oh yeah,
but there's no shortage of places to go around here.

Speaker 11 (01:14:53):
That's for sure. Oh yeah. I'm still trying to decide
if I get one one free night, where am I going?

Speaker 13 (01:15:00):
You know?

Speaker 11 (01:15:01):
Okay, but since I'm the facilitator and kind of social planner,
you know it's gonna it'll be a tight fit in
the schedule here.

Speaker 14 (01:15:13):
You Yeah, Seattle is a bear to get around in,
so good luck.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Yeah, well you can stay flat and we're not too
crowded yet. Hang in there. Fair Ax is trying to
get in.

Speaker 7 (01:15:31):
Yep, I is a link.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Oh he does, You're sure? Why don't you post? Why
don't you go ahead and post your email right in chat.
People can kind of scroll back and look at it
and then copy and paste it.

Speaker 14 (01:15:47):
Well, do Rusty, This is like old times.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yeah, I was gonna say I have seen you.

Speaker 12 (01:15:52):
I haven't seen you in the face. I don't think ever.

Speaker 15 (01:15:55):
But uh, you know, well, we were on a couple
of well a couple of months ago, and Jim deppit
Tosso say your friend.

Speaker 14 (01:16:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is an awesome he's a great character.

Speaker 11 (01:16:06):
I love that guy.

Speaker 7 (01:16:07):
Oh yeah, he's awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:16:10):
Afterwards I went and googled some of his old shows
and wow, this guy's a wealth of knowledge.

Speaker 7 (01:16:16):
You're a really very smart guy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Jim's been around the block about ninety times.

Speaker 7 (01:16:22):
You got some stories.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Yeah, he knows. There isn't a topic you can bring
up with Jim and he doesn't know a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:16:29):
About Yeah, that's true. It's impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
It's kind of nuts. So do you go off often,
flat Rock? Do you go out quite a bit or
is it just once in a while.

Speaker 14 (01:16:42):
Once in a while. I told you about a story
last time.

Speaker 15 (01:16:47):
I was up in lake in the Olympics and I
was actually reading Bob Pyle's book.

Speaker 14 (01:16:52):
Oh, yeah, right, Dark Divide, and I got a rock,
like a rock clack across the pond. So I actually
went up last week weekend.

Speaker 15 (01:17:00):
There's three lakes up there, and it just spent two nights,
three days and nothing, no activity.

Speaker 14 (01:17:08):
I didn't see any structures.

Speaker 13 (01:17:10):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
So you're so okay. So you're on a pond, you're
reading the Dark Divide book, which is about Bigfoot.

Speaker 13 (01:17:22):
And.

Speaker 14 (01:17:24):
The morning it was it was early morning, well not
early but and you're hearing rock clacking.

Speaker 13 (01:17:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:17:31):
I was sitting cross legged kind of in the middle
of this pond and just heard one loud rock clack and.

Speaker 14 (01:17:39):
It was distinct thirty yards away. I didn't see anything,
but I couldn't. I couldn't not laugh, just like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Come on, yeah, really that would be surreal. That would
be surreal. And I and I was thinking of a
story that a couple of guys, they're very knowledgeable about Bigfoot,
we're doing doing me uh a favorite I believe for
monster quests. They were just doing some kind of little reenactment.

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They had a Bigfoot suit, they got done, they took
it off, laid it on the ground, and here come
rocks sailing over the tree canopy and landing right next
to the suit as if it looked like a dead bigfoot.
And then the timing of that is so uncanny, you know,

(01:18:36):
it's like huh really, yeah, this is like magical, like
you know, who saw them? And why were they throwing
rocks at the bigfoot suit? It was very interesting. So
maybe a bigfoot suit is a good attractive I don't know.
I don't I don't recommend it. I don't reckon.

Speaker 7 (01:18:57):
No, I wouldn't either.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
No, No, you didn't hear that here. But what maybe
one hanging somewhere could be here, you know, you co'd
stuff up with newspapers and hang up and see what happens.
Sure like a scare in reverse, yes, like a scarecrow,
but in reverse it's a scare bigfoot.

Speaker 15 (01:19:15):
That's interesting. I hear a lot of people that leave
like gifting. They'll leave little miniature bigfoots and you know, figurines.

Speaker 13 (01:19:23):
And.

Speaker 14 (01:19:25):
They almost always say they take it off and put
it on the ground like they don't like that it's bizarre,
but like everything else will be kind of moved around.

Speaker 11 (01:19:35):
And oh yeah, I've got like a little little small
stuffed bigfoot that I put out. You know think you
know there is they've never taken it. They never touched it.
But then but it was really funny hot wheels those
always get taken obviously food items, but but yeah, it
uh it was it was kind of kind of funny

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that they like the cars, you know, they they, like
I said, never touched it. And after like five tries,
I was like, I just tossed it back.

Speaker 7 (01:20:06):
In my uh in my kids.

Speaker 15 (01:20:09):
Carl, I've actually heard you talk about that before. I
think you're one of the people.

Speaker 11 (01:20:14):
Yeah, yeah, but you know, it's really interesting, you know,
you give them a gift, you know, and and for
the longest time in Arizona here they were they would
just take they just take, you know, they take them,
and you that was it, you know, And then all
of a sudden they started giving me stuff back, and
it was just like, Okay, now I'm officially excited about this,

(01:20:37):
you know. And but like I said, I think I
know they you know, they were observing us or who
knows what else, right, but you know, the Yeah, you know,
I go out and every when I'm hiking around up
in the mountains there, I always look for fossils. Well,
you know, i'd wake up in the morning and here's
a fossil sitting on my hood or sitting on the

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roof of my car, you know at night.

Speaker 14 (01:21:00):
That's great.

Speaker 7 (01:21:01):
Wow, I think v X is he's ready to come on.

Speaker 14 (01:21:09):
I have a few interesting gifting stories, but one of
them happened this year.

Speaker 11 (01:21:17):
Again.

Speaker 14 (01:21:17):
It was out in green Water, kind of where Barbshoe
got her her cloaking video.

Speaker 13 (01:21:24):
On a river.

Speaker 15 (01:21:26):
So years ago, I was camping out there with a friend,
just doing an overnight hike, and we got an old
pickle jar left in the trail coming back, and you know,
most people are like, oh, that's trash. I was like, oh,
that's interesting. No people have been up here, so of
course I'm thinking, you know, it's a gift. The next year,

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I come back, the pickle jar still on the side
of the trail. It's a it's an old logging road,
but it's gated and it's four miles in and not
many people go back there, so it could be people.

Speaker 14 (01:22:00):
But this time it was November.

Speaker 16 (01:22:03):
I got a I got a a garter snake tied
in a not dead in the in the middle of
the road where that pickle jar was, same area, and
I'm it was thirty degrees.

Speaker 14 (01:22:16):
There's no snakes out right.

Speaker 15 (01:22:18):
I've never seen a snake out when it's frosty, so
it's super weird. Next, so this this year, I was
back with the same friend and we're camping overnight and
we're collecting firewood and we're talking about how we've never

(01:22:38):
found an elk skull in the wild, Like I've never
found a shed, a skull anything like that, and neither
has he.

Speaker 14 (01:22:46):
And we're like, that's kind of weird. We come out
a lot we've never seen when that's bizarre. So the
next day we're hiking back out same road.

Speaker 15 (01:22:53):
I I brought like a blue clear marble and a
crystal little crystal, and a tumbled egg, a nice smooth egg,
and I laid them on the pickle jar, which was
still there on the side of the trail after two
and a half years.

Speaker 14 (01:23:10):
And I just said, hey, thanks guys.

Speaker 15 (01:23:12):
And we walk five hundred yards around the trail and
we see this white thing in the trail down the
road and I go, Todd, that's gonna be that better
not be a dampse.

Speaker 13 (01:23:24):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:23:25):
I don't know what that is, but that's weird. We
get down there it's an elk skull here, I'll go
grab it.

Speaker 12 (01:23:31):
Hey, all right, very experience is way different from from
mine in that mine was when I'll look at that
great skull.

Speaker 14 (01:23:43):
So it's a I guess it's a cow.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:23:46):
There's no horns, but all the teeth are there. Is
definitely came out of the woods. There's still leaves on it,
a little moss. But it was right in the middle
of the trail, almost OCD like in like this. There's
some cracks in those places, right in those crashes right there,
so it.

Speaker 14 (01:24:05):
Couldn't miss it.

Speaker 15 (01:24:06):
And again it could have been people, but we didn't
see any people, and it just we were just talking.

Speaker 14 (01:24:12):
Weird we never found an elk skull the night before,
and there it was.

Speaker 11 (01:24:19):
I got hiked into an area you know, remote, you know,
like so before I even started any of my research,
I always drive. I drive the entire area and I
scope out, Okay, who's camp and where, you know, and
a lot of times it's like one camper and they're
like eight miles away, you know, but I'll note them
all on the map where people are, you know. But

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I get way back into into areas while I'm hiking
back in there and on this trail I was following,
you know, and I'm sure they knew I was hiking
up that area. But right in the middle of the
trail there's a there's a glyph on the ground, right
in the center, dead center of the trail, and you
could see the pieces. It was twisted and they were

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all placed, you know, And I was like, I took
pictures of it. I noted it and everything, and then
I hiked about a mile two miles ahead, and then
I started coming back towards the car, and I get
to that area where the ground glyph was and it's gone,
it's been removed. And right exactly where that glyph was,

(01:25:23):
there was a bright yellow and black bird feather stuck
in the ground. So it's just standing up on the
trail like that, right exactly where the glyph was. And
I was like, I was like, okay, you want me
to take it, I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:25:40):
I've always been kind of scared to take things just
to bring home kind of weird juju, but that skull
is too cool.

Speaker 14 (01:25:47):
I had to take it.

Speaker 11 (01:25:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Has anybody ever experienced some kind of stranger currence at
home after you've come back from an expedition or from
the woods where you were actively looking for Big Boot.

Speaker 14 (01:26:05):
That's what I was scared of, Doug, And no, I
have not.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Am I. So you thought about it and you haven't.
Rusty how about you, Carl carls he's not in his head,
but he got a second. Very ex Do you want
to give us a mike test so we can hear you.

Speaker 7 (01:26:26):
You're muted.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Right now, but that's fine, just unmute. I want to
get him.

Speaker 11 (01:26:32):
There we go, No, no problem.

Speaker 13 (01:26:36):
So, so where are you from myself? I'm actually born
which is a few hours south of snow Grove Lake.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Oh cool, cool, Yeah, so you sound like you sound
like a native guy from Ontario.

Speaker 13 (01:26:53):
Hey, yeah, very cool. Half My family's on the border
of Minnesota, are in International Falls, Minnesota, and then north
of there to Lake of the Woods.

Speaker 11 (01:27:06):
And I was born out tell us all about it?

Speaker 13 (01:27:10):
Yeah, about it? That's right, okay, Bud, let me give
her so.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Yeah, do you have a real name you want to
use it?

Speaker 13 (01:27:16):
We can just Yeah, you call me David, would be great.
And I have five companies and one of the companies
is actually my last name. And so I've got into
this community and it didn't take very long for me
to realize maybe I should go with the synonym now
no problem, only because what led me to the community,

(01:27:37):
which is what happened to me in October. And I
have a cabin here east of Toronto, and I let's
just say I was a skeptic. Bigfoot wasn't really on
my mind. Born and out of Cocaine, which is a
twenty four hour drive from Toronto straight northwest, and you're

(01:27:59):
still there's still lots of Ontario to go as doug
Wood no snow grows a few hours north of there.
And so my grandparents owned a fly and fishing camp
and seven cottages around the bay on Rainy Lake up
there where they hold the Canadian Bass class.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
I grew I grew up on Rainy Lake. Yeah beautiful
are okay?

Speaker 13 (01:28:21):
Yeah, but you know, well I know you know the
boundary waters there very well. And anyway, so when I
was young, as kids, we'd go to my grandparents and
play on the beach at their at their resort. And
I mean when I say young, we were I was

(01:28:41):
probably four or five years old. I have two brothers,
one that's a few years older than me and one
that he's a year younger and me with the same
age for five days. Anyway, my mom when we go
out there, we got rushed off the beach a few
times and it was my grandfather that came out and
it has gone. You know, he's old school and lived

(01:29:03):
in the woods, right, So we would sit in the
bay window when we got into his cabin to watch
the black bears play on the beach. And it wasn't
until years later that I realized that those weren't black bears,
so that never really registered for me. We moved down

(01:29:24):
to Toronto when I was I think fifteen, and I
went back every summer to work. Have two uncles had
bait shops and a gain. I guess it's you know,
they have guns and ammals store and stuff. And we
would summer intern for them as kids all the way

(01:29:46):
you know, through to college every summer, and both of
them had floatplanes that they would fly in and get
the minos and stuff, fill the floats on the planes
with the minos and stuff. So we were in the
bush all the time up there, but growing up in
the city of Toronto, and it never you know, really
registered with me until this last fall in October at

(01:30:11):
our cabin I was sitting at the fire. I don't
drink or do drugs or anything like that. I'm not
really wild crazy guy. I'm usually bushwhacking and cutting grass
and cutting weeds and everything else, so I can relate.
But I was sitting there and the weirdest thing changed
my paradigm. It's changed my relationship with some of my

(01:30:33):
family members and everything since having some tough times. Yeah,
it's I've never told this to anyone other than my wife,
who we then had many discussions of whether we should
just sell the property. Told my brother brothers and they
both kind of scoffed where they're not, you know, Bigfoot

(01:30:57):
doesn't register with them. My older brother had mentioned that, Yeah,
he looked into it a few years back when he
was following Joe Rogan and everything else. And then he said,
well that Joe Rogan got off the scent of whether
they're real or not, and you know, he just got
turned off. So which kind of turned him off. And
he has his own he has two companies that he's running.
He's my whole family's in business, right, and pretty big businesses.

(01:31:20):
So it's not like we have a lot of time.
What happened to me in October led me to this
community to find out what it was. So I'm sitting
at the fire and maybe you guys can help with this.
I sent Jeff some clips because in my research of
going through now the Bigfoot community at large on YouTube

(01:31:42):
I've been from. I have over three hundred YouTube channels
that I am constantly going through quickly to see and
going through the transcript of their YouTube when they we
talked about this, or you guys talked about this, Doug
with the young lady that's doing the data research, right,

(01:32:04):
so you could take the transcript from your YouTube after
you have your show tonight. I take the transcript and
then I go through with a keyword search AI program
to specifically look for what happened to me, because that's
what's really what's important to me. I'm not going to
be a researcher, so so what you're looking for answers,

(01:32:25):
I'm looking for answers. That's what led me here, and
in doing so, what led me to Bigfoot was one
of the very first shows I watched had Ron Moorehead
on it, and Ron Moorehead was talking about the Sierra
sounds and going through like when all his interviews they
go through his experiences and stuff. And he said that
him and his partner were sitting there, they were getting

(01:32:47):
all that activity. They were recording it. They're getting the
sounds and everything else. Well, one night it was him
and I think it's Keith, his friend that was there,
and they're in that little wood if you want to
call it a shelter. Anyway, they were in there and
they're listening and they said the bigfoot they could hear
was close, really close, just up the hill from them.

(01:33:07):
So Ron and him decided, you know, I think he's
just probably about twenty feet up the hill from us here.
Let's just surprise them. Let's rush them. So him and Keith,
Keith greaves, they jump out, They turned the corner, they
run up the hill. They get about I guess six

(01:33:28):
seven steps and boom, he gets frozen. Keith gets frozen.
These says he's three feet behind him, and he said.
He says, Ron, what's going on? And Ron says, I
don't know. I can't move. He says, neither can I.
So he said I could see I'm thinking, but I

(01:33:51):
can't move a muscle. He goes and he says, nor
can I. So that those two clips I just sent
to Jeff's email. He has them there, which is just
very intriguing. But when he said that, my mouth hit
the floor because that's exactly what happened to me. There's

(01:34:11):
a lot more to it, but that happened to me
where I was frozen. I'm completely sober, lucid, you know,
can think, breathe, blink, not move, and I'm pushing with
all my I'm not a small guy. I'm six foot
two hundred and forty pounds. I'm pushing with all my

(01:34:33):
might and I can't move. So I decided like, and
I'm trying, like you know, it was just the weirdest
thing ever. So I decided I'm going to spin and
I spun around in a three sixty and tripped, but
moved forward and went straight out my chair beside the fire,

(01:34:56):
hit the chair and was like, what was that? Okay,
now here, mind you, here's the here's the thing before that,
because I kind of jumped ahead to what led me
to the community, which was the Ron moorehead clip and
the Kevin Kevin kine. I also said that clip, and

(01:35:21):
I sent another clip of a guy, a gentleman named
Bob that was interviewed So I've been going through systematically
as many of these big flip videos and and people
talking telling their encounters and stuff, looking specifically for anything
that relates to being frozen, paralyzed, sleep, apnea, while awake,
like all the keywords you can think of that describes

(01:35:46):
the feeling, because it's it's just the weirdest feeling, Like
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
You can I just interrupt you just for a second.
Was that the most terrifying part.

Speaker 7 (01:35:54):
Of the gun?

Speaker 13 (01:35:56):
No, that wasn't terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
So you basically you're paralyzed.

Speaker 13 (01:36:00):
I was paralyzed. It it freaked me out. Was I scared?

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:36:05):
Because I couldn't. I didn't see anything in front of
me that was doing it to me. I didn't know
what was doing it to me. What freaked me out
was how I got there. So I'm sitting beside the fire.
The fire goes down, it's burning down a little bit,
so I decided I'm going to throw another log on.
I get up and I have a wire mesh that

(01:36:26):
goes over the fire when we're not using it, and
I use cement blocks, little cement blocks to hold down
the fencing when we're not there. Well, one of those
cement blocks was beside the fire. I didn't see it.
When I was going to reach for the log to
throw on the fire, I tripped on that cement block
and I was going face first into the fire. Something

(01:36:51):
something grabbed me by the by my back and threw
me like I was a beanbag. I did a three
sixty in the air and I landed ten feet on
my back, flat on my back, staring at the stars,

(01:37:13):
and I'm no wind knocked out of me. Okay, now
I hit that. I landed on a small fern bush
that we have there, so it was a soft landing.
I guess you could say. I'm lying there. I'm looking
straight at the stars, clear clear night, and the first
thing that went through my mind is is I'm dead.

(01:37:36):
I'm not dead. I'm blinking, so I do the I
played professional, semi professional hockey, semi professional volleyball, semi professional
beach volleyball, and I played tons of sports in hockey.
You know, I've been hit and in lots of fights,
so I know pain. So I'm waiting for it because

(01:37:57):
I just flew through the air and I did a
three sixty and landed, and I'm waiting for the pain
to hit. So nothing, nothing happens, and I'm looking at
the stars and I'm like, what the hell like that
put me in? I think maybe shock, I don't know.

(01:38:18):
So so then I got up and I took three
steps and boom frozen. So you know what my wife
said was like, you know I didn't think of is that.
She's like, well, you know, whatever, whatever happened, whatever grabbed you,
because it could have been at that time, I'm taking aliens.

(01:38:42):
I'm taking spirits. What I've never heard of anyone anywhere.
I've never been in any group of community that's talked
about being thrown by something that you something that you
can't see, that's not there. When I got up, there's
nothing there. So then you know, it's like, what what

(01:39:06):
the hell just happened? And I go to walk back
to the fire and I get frozen. So you know,
it wasn't until I saw a couple of these videos. Also,
you know there's there's and it's the most well known
guys in this community. It's his you know Ron Moorehead,
it's as Kevin Kine. I think his name is this

(01:39:29):
guy Bob also Bigfoot Michigan Rob. In his encounter, according
to him, he was frozen in the boat. So you know,
it's it's it your paradigm shifts. After that, everything shifted. Now.

(01:39:51):
Two psychiatrists, two psychologists, two psychotherapists, all of which have
not been able to do for me personally to get
me back to where I was before that one. That night,
that one, I don't even know how long it lasted. Maybe,

(01:40:13):
you know, I don't know how long I was paralyzed there.
It felt like a minute, but it was probably thirty seconds.
When I was laying there on my back looking at
the stars, that felt like a minute maybe longer. And
and you know, but it could have been less. My
wife said, well, whatever grabbed you and threw you saved

(01:40:35):
you from the fire. And I was burnt. I was
burnt on my arm all the way up, and all
the hair gone on my arm and everything because I landed.
I guess when I was going at the fire, I
landed on one of the bricks. It was close enough
to the fire that had singed all the hair, and
I was burnt all the way up my arm, and
then I got thrown. But it happened so fast that

(01:40:58):
you know, and my wife said, well, whatever saved you
is probably what froze you. And I said, and she said,
because you laid there looking at the stars when it
threw you. You did a three sixteen And it wasn't
just grab me and pull me back from the fire.
I'm talking. I got air and I landed ten feet

(01:41:18):
on the other side of the yard. So she said, what,
it probably thought it killed you. You sat there, you
didn't move, and you're staring at the starts, doing your
little self check of whether anything's broken and why you're
you know, waiting for the pain and everything. And it
probably thought it killed you and probably came in for
a closer look, and you jump up and you start walking,

(01:41:39):
and it just self defense mode. Nope, you're gonna You're
gonna be frozen for a second while I walk or
get away or whatever. No noise, no footsteps, no no,
no mind you again, I wasn't looking for any of
that stuff. I wasn't now if anything like that happened.

(01:41:59):
I mean, I there's a few more cues that I
would probably key in on. I'd probably listen a hell
of a lot closer for footsteps or anything else or
what anything that could have done it. But at that,
in that second, in that and that whole night, because
the next morning we were packing up and I'm coming home.
I'm I didn't feel safe to be on my own

(01:42:22):
at my own cabin, on my own property anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:42:25):
I'm like and.

Speaker 13 (01:42:27):
I and I told her, I said, I don't even
want to talk about it. I didn't tell her for
you know. It was a few days when we got
home here and I I started looking up psychiatrists. I said,
I think I lost my mind. I actually had a
mental break and snapped. And I talked to a few
friends of mine. I had some really good friends at
the lawyers. I have a couple of doctor buddies I
talked to and they said, no, you're not Hey, we

(01:42:51):
all know you're crazy, but you're not crazy. You didn't snap.
Something happened to you. We just, you know, you don't
know did you hit your head, do you You know?
Like we start going through everything step by step from
a medical perspective, and I didn't. There wasn't anything hurt
on me. Not a bone in my body was you know,

(01:43:13):
I was sore, but other than that and having the
burn and having like it was sore where I hit
the ground on my back, nothing else. But there's a
few clips that I found that describe what happened to me,
the frozen part perfectly. Ron Moore had Kevin Kind the

(01:43:36):
Bob that those three clips there. I'm putting a little
montage together that I was going to put up on
a YouTube channel to ask anyone, because I know there's
others out there that this has happened to. There's there's
I've heard a couple other people Sayles's sasquatch it on
the West coast there it happened to her. Now she
hasn't told her encounter. I emailed her directly. I said, listen,

(01:43:59):
I'm looking for answer. And you have mentioned multiple times
in her chats under her videos, she's mentioned multiple times
that she had an encounter on her property there, yes, yeah,
and where it happened to her where she got frozen,
and she said it was the freakiest thing. I can't
wait till it happens again. And I was like, oh shit,

(01:44:19):
I have excuse my language. I need to talk to
this lady because she wanted to happen again. And I'm like, okay,
So now we did go back to the property, okay,
and now I'm looking into I had already found the
Ron Moorehead and Kevin Kine video where this has happened

(01:44:40):
to them. They describe perfectly. So I'm now steered away
from aliens. I've steered away from ghosts, paranormal and stuff
like that, which you know, I've never been a huge
fan of. I know the aliens are on the planet,
they exist, They've been here a long time before any
of us, and they'll be here probably a long long
after we're gone. But ghosts I don't want to get into.

(01:45:01):
I lost my mom right after this, so that was October.
I'm researching. We go back to close up the cottage.
I'm on high alert. I start finding I'm looking into
these videos. Now I'm looking at the bigfoot thing sasquatch,
and I start seeing and hearing this gifting and gifts

(01:45:22):
and stuff and what you were talking about earlier, getting
the skull, whether you take them or not, and stuff
like that. I think, if they're gifts, they're gifts, right,
I ain't gifted anything. I start getting these little feathers,
blue jay feathers where they can't get Okay, there's we
have a hard door and then a screen door that

(01:45:43):
opens and closes. Right. I opened the screen door and
there's a blue jay. Feather falls down. I'm like, okay,
how's that happen? It doesn't there's no bird, there's no
other feather anywhere. It's in between the two doors. Something
opened the door, put it in there, and shut it.

(01:46:05):
Then I start noticing because I got into what I'm
doing now, which is what this topic. Now that it's
on my radar since it happened, I'm not gonna lie.
I'm in okay. I am like blown away by some
of the from some of the people that I've met
in these communities, some of the people, the encounters. So

(01:46:30):
in one of my businesses, we run ahead hunting front
all the hiring in Canada for Cisco Systems and Microsoft
all their executive vps, vps and everything else. I had
to interview these PhDs three a day for ten years,
so I'm a trained interviewer. You look left when I
ask you a question, right, and everything else you name it,

(01:46:53):
I've got you. I'm going to ask you the same
question three different ways to find out whether you're lying
or telling the truth. And you know, get to the
meat and potatoes, because that's what these companies pay me
to do. Will they want to know what they're gonna
get what they're paying for when they get this guy,
and they're paying them big bucks engineers. So I'm looking
at the interview the guys that are getting interviewed in

(01:47:14):
every single one of these encounters, and I'm like, Okay,
so this guy that I'm watching is not lying. In fact,
he stands more reason to lose everything for even going
on this show and telling his interview. Why would he
He has absolutely zeroed again and everything to lose. Much
like me right now, if half my clients cross the

(01:47:38):
around the world see me sitting here, they're gonna go
They're gonna just listen to my encounter and then they're
gonna like, people do have an opinion, and whether you
like it or not, that opinion's either. You know, if
you're one of my my brothers who uh he just
clicked off like he just says, dudude, I told him, hey, listen,

(01:48:01):
I'm gonna probably go on this radio show and I
might have to tell that encounter that happened to me
last fall. Because these are the guys that get it.
They I don't have to worry about being judged. In fact,
it might twig something with one of them that Hey, yeah,
actually I heard a story about something like that happened
to that you might want to talk to this guy
or something along those lines him right away off, He's like, yeah, yeah,

(01:48:25):
you know, so you're in the right place for sure.

Speaker 11 (01:48:28):
Yeah, well yeah, I mean I was frozen once as well,
doing research out on Long Island, where you know, there
there was I mean, I caught small glimpses of a
thermal hit running through the you know, running through it,
and it got it. It got in this area near me,

(01:48:48):
and I was trying to, you know, get around, and
I could see it was standing behind this big clump
of brush and everything. And and the more I was
persistent in trying to see it with my therm, you know,
all of a sudden I'm standing there and and I'm frozen.
I can't move, and in fact, you know, it's last

(01:49:09):
maybe I want to say, thirty seconds where I just
could not move, and then and then I just almost
felt weak at the knees and I just I dropped
down onto my hands and knees, and I felt like
this is it, you know, and and I barely eked
out the words I'm a friend, and and the moment

(01:49:32):
I said that it was like like whatever this invisibility right,
which was really infrasound, you know, it was just like
it lifted off of me, you know. But I felt
totally exhausted, like I'd just been run through a blender,
you know. And I just stood up and I said
good night, you know, back towards towards the car.

Speaker 13 (01:49:55):
You know, you had gone my sum you know, say,
you know what you were looking at that it was
there behind the bush, so you immediately knew that it
must have been it the sasquatch, the frozen Oh you
get too close?

Speaker 7 (01:50:09):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 11 (01:50:10):
It was so close, and it just you know, the
and the and the closer I got to that clump
or brush, trying to angle in order to get a
good thermal you know picture on that. You know, it
just blasted me with infrasound.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
So yeah, David, David, were you tired or fatigued after
this whole incident?

Speaker 13 (01:50:29):
I don't remember being tired or fatigue. No, I I
because I was so freaked out and the soul like
flabbergasted at what just happened and trying to rationalize did
that just happen? Like did I just get thrown across

(01:50:50):
my yard. That was it wasn't. I don't it didn't register,
it registered. It all happened. I laid on the ground
specif because I was sitting there thinking did that just happen?
I'm looking at the stars. What's broken? You know? And
so I it was like I went through this little
mental checklist and got up. But I jumped up when

(01:51:15):
I got when I when I realized like I went
through the checklist, and I was like, I'm fine, nothing hurts.
I moved my arms, I moved my legs. I jumped
up like almost like a flip kicking onto my feet
and took two steps and boomed frozen. And now I'm
still able to think blank everything, but I can't move,
and then that I'm trying to move and that freaks

(01:51:36):
me out. So so then I said I had it.
I had it, and I did this three sixty move and.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
Could you move your eyes? Oh yeah, oh yeah, move
your eyes.

Speaker 13 (01:51:48):
I looked over, I looked over at my wife. I
just couldn't move forward. I never tried well. I did
try to well when I said I've had it, because
I got angry. I remember having this emotion of anger
that I what is going on? Like I was frustrated, frustrated,
and I tried harder, tried harder, and I said through this,
and I did this three sixty and I was fine,

(01:52:10):
broke It's like I broke free, like Carl said, it
was like a switch boom, you can move now. And
I went right at like when I when I did that,
I went right at my chair, spun around and hit
my chair back and I was sitting there. I look
at the fire, I look at where I landed, and
I was looked up and I was like, is that

(01:52:30):
divine intervention? Like is that my mom or my dad
that passed, you know, the year before? Like what what
is that? Like? What is it aliens? Because there's I've
had lots of alien activity at the lake there right
by that fire. So since then, I start getting these feathers.
I've got over forty of them. Now we've got a

(01:52:50):
catalog of these feathers going in between the doors on
the stumps by the fire. On each stump, I have
stumps as chairs for extra guests, and and they're there rocks,
these little crystal rocks are showing up on our our
walkway in to the cabin. And there's no crystal rocks

(01:53:12):
like that any I've never seen I've been. There's been
blue ones, there's been white ones. There's been it's like
a dirty dirty white brownish or sorry, white grayish dirty
kind of And some of them are smooth. Some of
them are just jagged, like almost like you know stones

(01:53:33):
that you would put on patio stone or or something
like that as decorative stone around your garden or something
like that. But these things are just one one, not
not in every five feet here.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
So what would be So what would be that if
you took all of these gifts and put them together
my front door, And what's the predominant color the most
common color of all those gifts?

Speaker 13 (01:53:59):
I would say the white ones, like crystal. Crystal is
whitest gray. It's white with a little bit of gray
mixed into it. And they're the jagged ones and stuff
like that. It looks like a crystal I've never You know,
that's great if I had the time and I will
have the time to take them to a geologist or someone.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
Did you send Jeff a picture or could you send Jeff.

Speaker 13 (01:54:17):
When I get through the cabin, I'm there next. I
just I didn't expect to be on this show. Tonight
and I didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:54:23):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
That's the whole idea.

Speaker 13 (01:54:26):
I know, I didn't know you guys are even doing
a live thing, or I would have got my ducks
in a row and been doing it all week getting
ready for it.

Speaker 7 (01:54:32):
But we didn't know what you were doing this earlier today.

Speaker 14 (01:54:34):
So can I interject? Have you ever read Al Moon
lab I think you, Doug, was that your first book?

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
You did a thing that was one of them.

Speaker 13 (01:54:45):
I haven't read. I haven't read anything. The two things
that I have in the queue is, uh, this one
that Doug sent me because I beat Jeff's but at
trivia the first time.

Speaker 7 (01:55:00):
Yeah, that's a good book I have. I have that book.

Speaker 13 (01:55:02):
It's a great Tom Powell, Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:55:06):
I toll.

Speaker 13 (01:55:07):
Yeah, he's.

Speaker 14 (01:55:12):
Check out check out Al Moon Lamb. David are told
he he talks about the beginning of the book. They're
out in the woods.

Speaker 15 (01:55:21):
There's three guys I think maybe Darryl Adams and another
I don't know if Daryl was on him. But they
run into kind of like this force field and he says,
you can kind of feel it, but they couldn't really
one step further.

Speaker 14 (01:55:35):
I think they could step back, but it was just
an invisible kind of like.

Speaker 15 (01:55:39):
And one guy actually he's a I think he was
a tough, tough guy cop, and he he got out
of there early like I'm sick.

Speaker 14 (01:55:47):
I can't do this.

Speaker 13 (01:55:48):
I'm uh.

Speaker 15 (01:55:49):
And then they trudged on and they ran into this
invisible like force field and it sounds a lot like.

Speaker 13 (01:55:54):
What you're talking. I will definitely get that done.

Speaker 15 (01:55:58):
Also, Darryl Adams, I talked with him regularly.

Speaker 14 (01:56:01):
He gets feathers in his truck.

Speaker 15 (01:56:03):
Well he's he'll be out looking doing research and a
locked truck just a feather right, perfectly based on.

Speaker 13 (01:56:11):
His Well, So this is this is the other book,
just so you know. I'm gonna plug it too, because
Doug sent this one to me. This was one of
your favorites, Doug. I guess you sent. It's called Beyond.

Speaker 7 (01:56:22):
Oh yeah, I have Doug's copy that I got to
read that.

Speaker 13 (01:56:26):
Gareth Patterson Gareth Potters. Gareth wrote, that's the other trivia
I wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
Isn't that? Did you read that book yet?

Speaker 13 (01:56:35):
I have not yet, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
Haven't you realize Gareth actually had sightings of Bigfoot like
creatures in Africa with with witnesses. Crazy stories.

Speaker 13 (01:56:51):
Well yeah, wait, I mean not supposed to be my
cabin reading right there, right there you go, And I
haven't had it. I just I literally got back from
ten last night. And I'm not gonna lie. Since this
happened last October, I'm on a high alert, right and
I'm now I'm getting these gifts and for what I
think are gifts. And now I'm I started looking at

(01:57:12):
these glyphs, okay, because I have a lot of bush
around me and I'm constantly bushwhacking, like it takes me
two days when I get to the cottage just to
get the grass done and back the bushes back to
where they should be and stuff so that I feel
comfortable enough to be able to pull up a lawn
chair and read, you know. But I started seeing these

(01:57:33):
little sticks structure like structured in a way where it's
a stick laying on a stick on and another stick
at the bottom on a stump. Now, this is one
of these stumps that I'm talking about around the fire
are little, you know, sought off stumps that people could
sit on to roast my nephews and stuff with the
conroasa marshmallows. And there's no way these sticks are falling

(01:57:55):
in this little order, right. And so since I've gotten
on this glyph thing, I've been taking pictures of them
and I and immediately to me, now, being very new
to all of this, I'm not interested in knocking on

(01:58:16):
a tree. I'm not interested in going to look for
these things. I have no choice. They're on my property.
I gotta share, and I got to play nice with them,
and I need to understand what the best way to
go about doing that is to not piss them off.
I have a family. My wife is like now, she's
a it's a hair. She knows that this stuff's going on.
There's already, you know, UFO and strange stuff, there's already now.

(01:58:39):
So here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
Herbs.

Speaker 13 (01:58:43):
I've seen orbs. She's seen the orbs. She loves the orbs. Okay,
she can't explain the orbs. I'm calling them fireflies to
her because I'm trying to explain what they are because
I'm from the big bad North Bush and now I
know they are orbs. They're not fireflies, but we have
tons of fireflies too, So it's just but she likes
the orbs and the ferries and those kind of those

(01:59:05):
kind of tales but you know, hearing the slaps on
the side of the cabin, the taps, the taps on
the window. Okay, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
So you're getting a lot of it's been going on.

Speaker 13 (01:59:21):
It all makes sense now. It's been going on for
I've been going there over twenty years. We've been going there.
We're buying the cabin off her parents, and it was
on a long term plan because her parents are still
relatively young and like to go there and everything. So
we're kind of hearing it with them, right, And so
a lot of that stuff makes sense now, those noises

(01:59:42):
and stuff, because when I'm at the cabin, I'm on
a high alert normally, because it takes me on average
two days, maybe three days sometimes just to get my
hands to stop shaking from the sirens and the horns
outside my window. Here, I'm right on Bay Street, which
is Wall Street in New York. That's where I live.

(02:00:02):
So I throw a stone and I hit the SkyDome
right here with Blue Jay's play Toronto Maple Leafs played
literally across the street. When the crowd's outside watching on
the screen, it shakes my windows of my condo here.
You know, that's this semant jungle, the buzz and being
in business and stuff. I get to the cottage and
I'm so wound tight. The neighbor comes running over right

(02:00:24):
away with a beer in his hand, like we're gonna
and I'm like, I just literally put my hand up
and say, I'll talk to you tomorrow, Like let me
get the buzz. It's so quiet.

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
Have you have you discussed any of the stuff with
your neighbors or up there?

Speaker 13 (02:00:39):
No? Not yet, No, and no, and I'm not going
to and I and only so yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:00:45):
So David Parker had a great point, you know, really
don't show them fear. But my advice to you is
that they understand English. So if you want go out
and talk to them, yeah, tell them like don't that
you know it And a lot of times they'll respect
that that I mean, it's I mean, it's just like
you know.

Speaker 13 (02:01:06):
I Carl, I've been watching I'm a big fan of
your sending your research. I'm not gonna lie. You were
one of the first guys I came across as well,
and I've watched all your videos. I go back when
I find someone I like that, I know, like you
know now that I've met flat and doctor Robinson. And
you know, when I come across someone that I know sincere,
no bs, no nonsense, and nothing to prove, isn't out

(02:01:29):
to make a name for himself, not trying to make
a nickel off this game or some way. Right, when
I come across someone like that that's doing research, I'm
gonna go watch every single thing of yours to try
to learn as much as I possibly can. So I
have been talking to them, I've been going out, and
I've been going out and getting recordings because we have

(02:01:49):
a lot of coyotes, I guess in the area, we
have a lot of deer. A big buck deer literally
jumped out scared the crap out of me. I was
sitting in the front half of my morning coffee and
where I have my front yard the road lane way,
and I'm at the end of a peninsula. So there's
only one cottage down the road here, and then there's
one further to the right, and on the other side

(02:02:12):
of the road is bush. This buck jumped right out
of the bush at eight in the morning, and I'm
having my coffee and I happen to be looking directly
at the bush when it happened, and I spit my
coffee out and I said, sho, how do you get
the camera? So she heard me, came running out, got
a little video of it. I got it up on

(02:02:33):
my YouTube or Instagram and stuff. But I have been
taught out there at night and the coyotes start popping off,
and I immediately turned my phone on and it's not
you know, I need to get a proper like your
tech talk tonight is perfect for me. I need a camera.
I need some audio equipment because there's lots of evidence

(02:02:54):
that I could get right there from I don't have
to leave my porch. I have got howls, howls and
almost like a scream that turns into a howl that
sets off the coyotes. And then when I say sets off,
I have a recording, I'll send it. I should have
sent that to you, Jeff, because I have a recording.

(02:03:15):
I was just sitting there. I went out, couldn't sleep,
and mouse trap went off. So when the mouse trap goes,
my wife wakes up, what's that. I'm like, nothing, honey,
go to bed. I know exactly what. I got to
go get the mouse trap out of there before she
sees it in the morning, right and I got up
and I went out onto the front porch and I

(02:03:37):
heard this scream and it wasn't close. It was probably
half mile away. But there's water all the way around
the whole side and it travels and that scream set
off the coyotes. And I'll get that recording. It's it's
not great, but if I had some equipment, it would
have been out of this world. Because I couldn't believe it.
When I brought it in, played it for my wife

(02:03:58):
the next morning, she was just looked at me and went,
they would They're not going to kill us. I'm like, no, honey,
they're coyotes. Come on, They're not coming anywhere near the yard.
Both neighbors have little well little dogs, right, But if
I said, the coyotes would kill the little dogs, and
we know that we I have raccoons in the attic

(02:04:19):
like the roof of the cabin that I've been battling
with Metallica with for literally since May to get them
out of there. I said, if the coyotes are going
to kill anything, tell them. So I talking to the Sasquatch.
I'm out there and I'm like, listen, I know you're here.
I've been getting your gifts, and I appreciate them. I
love feathers. I love the rocks. The rocks are beautiful.

(02:04:42):
I'm keeping them because inside our cabin door we have
a little table there. I've set up a little monument
to them now to have all the feathers and the
rocks and everything that we're collecting.

Speaker 2 (02:04:53):
Right, and.

Speaker 13 (02:04:56):
So I've let them know that you know that we're cool.
And and that's when, really when the feather started showing
up was after I are the very first time that
I went out on the porch there and it was
probably two in the morning and started talking to him.
That's when the feather started showing up. So I took
that as a sign that, Okay, we're good, right, And
so since then, I've been at the fire just literally

(02:05:19):
I got home last night. Night before last, I was
sitting at the fire and for the was there ten days.
I probably had four fires, all four fires between ten
PM and one, okay, but usually at around eleven thirty
after I've been sitting there, and I got the music
on low. I got a portable bluetooth speaker.

Speaker 2 (02:05:42):
Right.

Speaker 13 (02:05:45):
I've even watched shows and people tell about habituation, and
there's some habit habituators out there that have said that
they like certain kinds of music, and they said, oh, well,
what songs do they like? And then the guy that
she was telling her encounters or stories to just happened

(02:06:07):
to be a basis. He goes, oh, all those songs
are D minor. They like D minor. They like the
song Yellow by Coldplay. That's D minor. I play that
song all the time in my band. And then she
says the next song he goes, that's D minor too.
So I'm like, okay, I'm going to play some cool
Play Yellow for them. So I start hearing. So where

(02:06:28):
my fire pit is, there's about six feet and then
it drops off six feet and then it's water. There's
a little ledge, like a two foot ledge, and then
you're in the water and it's shallow two feet of
water and it goes deeper. Right, I start hearing. First

(02:06:51):
it was slaps, and I'm like, oh, it's a beaver.
I mean, come on, they were Canadaay, it's got to
be a beaver going by. But you know, beavers don't
slap unless they get spooked.

Speaker 7 (02:07:03):
You know.

Speaker 13 (02:07:03):
I've done all kinds of wildlife research because of this
now too, just consequently to rule things out. So it
starts with slaps and then it's not like rocks, it's
like boulders. You know, when you throw a boulder into water,
it makes the deepest thud sound like when it hits

(02:07:27):
it's a huge splash, but it makes its very distinct sound.
The bigger the rock, it's like the deeper the ba
boom and it sinks. Welly, I'm sitting there at the fire.
We got the music going and I'm chilling. I'm looking
at the stars, you know, and everything, and I got
star wraps on my phone that I like to play
with and everything else. But I start hearing them boom,

(02:07:49):
like the smash of the water splash and then boo,
And I'm like, well, what that you know? So I
said beaver, No beavers, and so.

Speaker 11 (02:08:01):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think. I don't think beavers can
throw large boulders in the.

Speaker 13 (02:08:05):
Not a bowlder. And you know, I'm trying to think
of what other animals because I'm not gonna lie. We've
had otters there, but they're not there now. I put
the run on them too, because they dug out the
bank under the tree and they built a hole like
they're gonna have kids and moved in and I was
just like, that ain't happen, and I put bricked it up.
They pushed the bricks out of the way, like everything's

(02:08:27):
bigger up here in Canada. I'm just gonna I'm not
gonna let these are two. It wasn't one. It was
two full grown otters that moved in under the biggest
tree on our property rate at the water. They dug
out underneath it and made a slide they can go
in one side and made a slide into the water
on the other side under the tree. And I'm like,
they're fixing to have kids. I'm looking at my neighbor

(02:08:48):
and I'm giving him the gears. I'm like, what good
is your dog if you can't put the run on
these things? Like come on? And he's like, I'm not.
My dog's not going anywhere near they'll eat her. Look
at the sides of the things. You know. I didn't
out and to my wife said, whose dog is going
across the back lawn? I went, what I look out
and that's that's not a dog. That's how I found them. Okay, So,

(02:09:09):
and then the raccoons. I'm sitting at the fire one night,
not one. Two raccoons. There's a tree right behind me
at the fire, big pine and uh oh, I'll tell
you this. Sure enough, I hear something behind me and
it's dark. I turn around, I look and I just
see this black figure coming down the tree. And I'm like,

(02:09:29):
oh shit. My first black bear took twenty years, because
I've seen them all kinds of black bears up north
and out of Cocaine and Fort Frances and everywhere up there,
but never down here. No.

Speaker 4 (02:09:39):
No.

Speaker 13 (02:09:41):
Two raccoons that looked like small baby black bears, and
they come at me, and I got my fire poker stick.
I stand up. I'm like whoa. I hit the ground
with stick. I'm like, that's far enough, We're good. They
just keep coming. I was like, holy shit. I just
turned around and just walked all the way around them
and ran into the cottage. I'm like, Okay, far is done.

(02:10:03):
We're good. So here's the other thing. I get to
the cottage this year. Close up. We were not there
through the winter. I go in as early as Sue's
ken in May. As soon as we get some nice weather,
I'm there or we're there, and the tree in our
front yard at the road where the road is, and

(02:10:24):
then the bush. I have two massive pine trees, and
one of them, the branches are broken all the way down,
snap snop, snap, snap, from halfway up all the way
down to the ground. Every not everyone, but every third
one is snapped off, pointing at the ground, and I'm

(02:10:46):
just like, I look at the other identical tree, both
full grown, mature male or whatever, you know, pines, and
it's fine, And I'm looking at this and I'm like,
what the hell climbed the tree that weighed so much
that it's snapped off every branch that couldn't hold its weight,

(02:11:06):
you know which Again, I should probably get a picture
of that or a video of that too, because that's
kind of it's just it's it's odd. Like I could
understand if it could be snow, you know. I've seen
lots of snow damage to trees up north and around
the cottage and stuff like that. We get a lot
of ice storms and damage that way. But when the
other tree is identical to it, and they're spaced out

(02:11:28):
thirty forty feet apart, and they're right beside, planted in
the same spot, and this one only halfway up, every
third or fourth branch here and there is snapped right
down pointing at the ground like something stepped on it
and broke from the weight. Kind of weird.

Speaker 12 (02:11:49):
Yeah, I will say, uh, you got some cool stuff
when you won the Trivia Context, very ext when I
won the Trivia Context a few weeks ago. I can
get anywhere near as all of stuff from Jeff. I'm
putting in my client.

Speaker 13 (02:12:07):
I got a poster coming from tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:12:09):
You just gotta keep playing, keep playing, Rusty.

Speaker 13 (02:12:13):
You know what I want to.

Speaker 14 (02:12:16):
I guess what soda Doug was drinking. And I got
the Paul Freeman book. That was a pricey one. Thanks Doug.

Speaker 7 (02:12:23):
That's a great book.

Speaker 14 (02:12:26):
That's really cool, and you signed it. I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (02:12:29):
Cool.

Speaker 15 (02:12:30):
I was gonna say, you're talking about music and Coldplay.
I remember Henry Franzoni talking about Bolero. Maurice is a
Maurice ravel. Uh revel, thank you, he said, worked every time.

Speaker 13 (02:12:50):
And Henry. There's a video of Henry with his full
drum set set up out in the woods.

Speaker 11 (02:12:57):
There's a movie.

Speaker 14 (02:13:00):
Driving for Bigfoot. I think it's on YouTube for free.

Speaker 13 (02:13:03):
Yeah, I've seen that.

Speaker 14 (02:13:04):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (02:13:06):
Okay, I have a question. I want to post to
you guys musicians, forty hurts. I keep getting letters and
calls from people who are experimenting with forty hurts. Does
this song? How would you know how many hurts that song?

Speaker 11 (02:13:27):
That would be a pretty low note, Like you know,
concert A is fourrts, you know, so obviously that would
be much lower lower range note.

Speaker 7 (02:13:41):
But that's true.

Speaker 12 (02:13:43):
That's you can use like an equalizer and it will
tell you what hurts each note is, and there are
multiples of each other. You should go up in octave
so you can. There are programs where you can just
sign on and play a note or a sound or whatever.
It will tell you what the HURTS level is.

Speaker 13 (02:14:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (02:14:00):
Isn't that about the lowest week in here with our
naked bar.

Speaker 11 (02:14:05):
To twenty one hurts is the lowest week below.

Speaker 2 (02:14:09):
Twenty is infrasound?

Speaker 13 (02:14:11):
Yeah. Yeah. So here's the interesting thing that I never
realized or heard of this hum thing until you, Doug,
until you put it on my radar, and then I heard.
And like I said, I've watched probably two two thousand
Encounter interviews at least since October, Okay, and so I'm

(02:14:32):
now picking up on all these loads, like each group
in this community has their little their own little specialty
of research and stuff that they're looking into it that
you know, evolving to and it's not so. The other
thing is the mechanical sound. Sabylla Irwin was the first
person I heard when she was on an habituation site
for five years, she would hear this mechanical sound. And

(02:14:55):
and then I watched a couple of encounter and interviews
where they were talking about the mechanical sound. You guys
mentioned it earlier tonight. The mechanical sound. Now, I've heard
it described much different ways as always a metallic almost
like metal being dragged on cement or heavy machinery, or
I've heard it referred to one hundred different ways. Sybylla

(02:15:17):
and the gentleman that she was talking with couldn't even
they were talking actively because they both were trying to
describe it, and they were having a hard time describing it.
They're saying, it's such a unique kind of sound, but
it definitely makes you think of almost like a metal machinery,

(02:15:37):
metal kind of sound. Now that I don't think is
the hum at all, because maybe I don't think it is,
just like a lot of a lot of people in
chats that I talked to about me being paralyzed. The
first thing they went to was, oh, you got infrasound,
you got sapped.

Speaker 2 (02:15:55):
No.

Speaker 13 (02:15:55):
No, heard of thousands app stories and infra sound stories.
Not one of them is what happened me. So I
was at the cottage here leaving yesterday and I had
the like, I have hummingbird feeders around my cabin and
and two of them are right outside the windows, right.

(02:16:15):
I like to watch them in the morning. They usually
come first thing, and they're you know, the coolest little things,
right so, and you can hear the little like a
purr of their wings. I had that in my ear
yesterday when we were packing up.

Speaker 2 (02:16:35):
Where I was in the cabin.

Speaker 13 (02:16:38):
In the cabin, oh yeah, I was there. I came
home last night and I was in the cabin and
I'm packing up, and I get this little like a
fluttering of almost like hummingbird yep, like a really really
fast per and really low, like you're talking about a low.

Speaker 2 (02:17:03):
Some people describe your ear almost itching a little bit.

Speaker 13 (02:17:06):
That's exactly what I was just gonna say, exactly, that's
what it felt like. My ear was gonna it was itching,
and I was just like, what the heck is that?
I thought like maybe something like a fly or something
got in there somehow when I was sleeping or whatever.
You never know. I did go swimming, uh in the morning,
so I thought, maybe there's water in my ear or
something got a bubble or something. And but there's it's

(02:17:28):
dead quiet. There's it's not like there's no sound in
the cabin, no music playing, no nothing that could cause
anything to reverberate or anything else. So but this hum
was there and I immediately got this feeling like because
I immediately thought of you, like, that is what they're
talking about. That's the hum.

Speaker 2 (02:17:47):
We're gonna do another show on that soon, and we're
gonna play a whole bunch more clips because we keep
getting more and more audio clips from people.

Speaker 13 (02:17:56):
The thing is is when you get these clips, because
that was it felt like it was right in my ear,
like it was tickling my ear, like I wanted to,
you know, do you can you record that sound loud enough?

Speaker 2 (02:18:10):
Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna play I'm gonna play a sound
that we recorded a ton of up at Snell Grove
and we have just so much of it. Hold on,
let me play this. Really get it to it. You
guys can keep talking while I look.

Speaker 11 (02:18:26):
I was gonna say, I've never I've never had the
metallic sound. But I did hear humming once, and that
was I was up on the rim of a canyon
that was incredibly dense at the bottom, right, so there's
it wasn't like anybody who was walking up there, and
if they were, it was one am, and it was

(02:18:48):
it's black darkness with no light, okay, But from down
in the bottom of the canyon, I hear this humming,
you know, And to me it almost sounded like like
the same hum that like a mother would do for
a baby, like you know, hmmm, you know. And it
was just this this this this low hum but very deep,

(02:19:09):
you know. And uh, and then you could hear I
could hear at least probably two or maybe three individuals
transiting the canyon in the bottom going downstream, but it
you know it, and you could just because it was
so choked with brush, you could hear that. But you
know that that was different than the obviously the infrasound
and I think you've got that clip, Jeff somewhere, but

(02:19:31):
you know, the infrasound that I kind of boosted up
into the audible range, which sounded more like a digital ado.

Speaker 13 (02:19:38):
So that's right, I heard that. I remember that program.

Speaker 7 (02:19:43):
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:19:45):
Exactly like, do I want to play this snow Grolle sound.
It's just a short clip I have on my phone,
but give us a listen here. Can you hear that? Okay?

Speaker 13 (02:20:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (02:20:13):
Yeah, so it sounds like an eight hundred pound bullfrog.

Speaker 13 (02:20:17):
Well yeah, that has a didy dude, it does?

Speaker 7 (02:20:23):
It does?

Speaker 2 (02:20:24):
It does?

Speaker 13 (02:20:24):
Yours is a little different and a little longer, but
it has that same tone.

Speaker 2 (02:20:29):
I think, Yeah, it's it's it's just weird because you know, Snow,
we had so much activity up there was insane this
last two times that we were up, and I'm just
like trying to talk myself out of not I don't
want to go again. But then there's that other part

(02:20:50):
that just is like, yeah, you should really go, you know,
Oh no, it's too dangerous.

Speaker 15 (02:20:56):
You know, it's like, oh geez a legend me cience three,
come on, But I am, I am, you can't be.

Speaker 13 (02:21:06):
They sense your fear from everything I've watched and everything, like, now,
this is the thing that I have going for me,
and Carl does, especially Carl because he was in front
of it and he knew it was there and it
froze him. They've done it to you. Once you got
that now in your belt, that they're not I'm not
gonna be afraid the next time at all. It's not
something that's gonna shock me or anything. I'm gonna look

(02:21:27):
at them and I'm gonna be looking around because if
they're cloaking or whatever that's what they're doing. Uh, I'm
gonna be saying, hey, it's fine, we're good. I'll back off.
If you needed some time to step away or something,
that's fine. But I'm not scared at all. After all
of the roller coaster that I strapped myself into and
the ride I've been on since October when this happened,

(02:21:50):
all of the encounters that I have watched and witnesses
that I've listened to and filtered through and gone, I've
gone and dealt with now. Fan family members and friends
that think have said you're are you know, there's no
possible way that a friggin eight hundred pound gorilla can
be walking around in the woods and we wouldn't know
about it with every four kak camera and drones and

(02:22:12):
there's just it's impossant. You know, it's fine. I get it,
you haven't done one lick of research into it, or
he watched a video of and so so. So I
have this challenge going right now with a couple friends
and my brother, who he said, I need you to
this is what I need you to do. I need
you to go find me ten videos of the best

(02:22:33):
evidence you got. Now here's the And he goes, I
want I own and I'm not wasting, you know, hours
and days of time going through like you have. I
get it. Something happened to you and you're on this mission.
But I can't help you with that basically, but I
would like to at least be able to relate to
you while you're doing this and stuff. So can you
show me your best? Don't waste my time. You got

(02:22:56):
ten ten videos that I can watch. That's going to
convince me. And I said, sure, I could do that,
and I could take it a step further because he
also was in the family business of headhunting, and he's
done the interviewing and everything and knows the skills and everything,
so he'll know because I could show him not necessarily
doesn't have to be a doctor lawyer, scientists, or some

(02:23:16):
kind of proof. That way, where's you're looking at the
person's background and everything else that they have, he will
be able to there's salt of the earth. My father
was a long haul trucker. There are certain people up
north that you meet that all my uncles hunt fish,
own cabins, everything else. Okay, we're in that lifestyle. When

(02:23:38):
you meet someone in these small towns that's been working
in the woodmill or something, or in the mines and
stuff like that, you know they're not lying. They have
nothing to prove to anyone by coming forward. The Bigfoot
wasn't on their radar. They're going to work everyday, haul
in logs, they're in the mines, they're you know, salt
of the earth type individuals, hunt fish camp, they're in

(02:24:02):
the woods all the time. And then something happens to them.
It changes your everything. Something that's not supposed to exist,
literally is standing in front of you. Your paradigm, everything
you thought you knew just goes right out the window
and you're you're me going to the number one psychiatrist
in all of Canada in Mount Sinai Hospital, going, I

(02:24:25):
got a story for you. You might want to sit
down and pull your pen and paper out, because you're
the only person that I'm going to tell this to,
and you tell me what the hell i'm what's what
I'm on? You want to maybe we should just administer
the drug test right now to rule all that crap out,
so you can, you know, we can get right to
the nitty gritty of what's going on right And and
then I realized that I'm not going to get the

(02:24:47):
help I need from going to any doctor and talking
about it. I'm going to get it from what I'm
doing right now. I didn't. I'm not gonna lie to you.
My wife is you know, she's the biggest supporter in
the world.

Speaker 7 (02:25:01):
But if that one, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:25:03):
Hey, David, do you mind if we all ask you?

Speaker 13 (02:25:06):
Go ahead?

Speaker 2 (02:25:07):
One question? Who wants to go first?

Speaker 14 (02:25:11):
I wanted to ask you. You said you've seen UFOs
on your property or your cabin. Is like, what's the
craziest UFO?

Speaker 13 (02:25:19):
Craziest UFO? The craziest was sitting at the fire And okay,
so we're sitting at the fire and where we're situated
on the on the water, we have a blanket. Clear
It's like it's like watching a movie screen, the biggest
eight k HD screen. You can see of the stars

(02:25:42):
and it's there's no light pollution or anything. And it's awesome.
Like I see. The problem is now that there's just
so many elon I want to kill them. There's so
many bloody go by that I can't. Yeah, it's crazy.
You can see them right across eight in a row
and in a row, and then it's one hundred in
a row. It's like, oh my god, this guy won't quit.

(02:26:03):
It's it, but you know, God bless him for people
that need it. It's great. Like Doug, it's snow Grove
he's doing he's doing this broadcast from snow Grove on Starling.
It's crazy. So that and do you want remote, Like
I'm remote where I'm from, out of Cocaine. He's going
six hours north of that by floatplane now. And I

(02:26:26):
can understand your reservation Doug when you say I don't
want to go. I'm you know, it's scary and something
could happen and everything else. Now there's a difference when
if something happens to me, I can pick up the
phone and call nine one one. Yeah, I'm gonna have
to wait a half hour for something to arrive. Doug
picks up the phone and calls nine one one. First
of all, you have to have a satellite phone.

Speaker 2 (02:26:46):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (02:26:47):
And then when you call, it's yeah, we'll have a
floatplane there in the morning.

Speaker 2 (02:26:51):
Yeah, and you're wrapped in.

Speaker 13 (02:26:52):
You're about to have the best twelve hour night of
your life. Because if they're banging on the roof right
now coming through, you better figure out a way to
go through the bottom of the floor to get underneath
another layer.

Speaker 2 (02:27:03):
Well, that's the scary part of it. You can't leave
you're you're dark.

Speaker 13 (02:27:07):
Four hour floatplane to the closest and that's just gonna
take you to another drop off point where you then
get in a car and have to drive. Yeah, you know,
eighteen hours.

Speaker 2 (02:27:17):
So I take it that show we did live from
so gross.

Speaker 13 (02:27:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's what That's what put me on
the Chris Reinhart, he's a great, great and I watched
a lot of a lot of his stuff, And you
know how many times since October I've flip flopped back
and forth that these things exist to I'm a bloody
wing nut for what's going on? Are you believing this?
Are you believe? Are you believing this stuff. Are you

(02:27:42):
serious to seeing the next video of the salt of
the Earth guy that I know, I'm looking straight in
his eyes. Well, he's telling us what happened to him
and he shook. And then when they say when like
me tonight, this is the first time I've ever told
anyone this other than my wife, my brother, and two
friends or you know, and none of them are on
board with it. I got no support. There's not I

(02:28:04):
have support where they're already you know whatever, they don't.
I have support, but not support. They are not believers
by any stretch. And this is when I came up
with that. You can go from a skeptic to seeing
something or hearing something scream at you or have a

(02:28:25):
rock or a pebbles and acorns tossed you, and then
you become Okay, you can become a believer, but that's
a huge jump from skeptic to believer. You need to
actually have evidence happen to you personally to become a believer,
as far as I'm concerned, unless you are someone like
me that's paid to read people and say that this
guy's telling the truth and I believe them one hundred percent.

(02:28:48):
To go from believer to noer is a massive lea.
That's when your whole paradigm is shifted. Is not one
ounce in your body that you don't understand that they're real.
Now here's the thing what happened to me. I can't

(02:29:11):
say that I didn't see it. All I'm going by
now is Ron moorehead and a couple the five six
videos I'm going to put together here and put a
little clip of them together back to back to back,
because it really they described my accounter better than I can.
But that's what led me to sasquatch. Right, I can't

(02:29:31):
say it was a sasquatch. I didn't see it. As
far as I'm concerned, it could have been alien.

Speaker 2 (02:29:37):
Well it's it's anecdotal, but it's based on all of
the other activity. The house knocks, oh.

Speaker 13 (02:29:46):
Yeah, and the feathers and where the feathers are showing
up like you you mentioned flat rock in the truck.
I have in my pin under my Winshill wiper. Found
one there, Yeah, pose something put in there.

Speaker 7 (02:30:01):
For sure.

Speaker 13 (02:30:01):
It's not falling out of a bird's wing and laying underneath.

Speaker 15 (02:30:05):
The feathers show up in people's houses on their couch
they come home and there's a perfect.

Speaker 13 (02:30:10):
This is the other thing, right, there's cars now that
I've gotten into it, sorry, flat, but of people now
they're saying and now again people that I've watched the
encounter and said they're telling the truth. In fact, I
saw I can't remember it right now, but I saw
a video last week that she caught pictures in her house,

(02:30:30):
snapped some photos and you could see in the photo
this little fuzzy Now it's not sasquatch unless it's the
world's smallest Tobacca in the world. It's this little tiny
furry thing in her doorway, in her hallway, and it's
a clear picture like this stuff is going to be
going around this week. I just saw it last week.
It just came out, So I'm like, but there's multiple,

(02:30:52):
multiple encounters where the people are saying that it followed
them back, like you were asking earlier if anything had
followed you back, right, that they have now had things
happening in their house in there, well, they're sitting on
the couch things, you know, or finding gifts and things
in their house. So it's almost like, you know the

(02:31:14):
analogy of when you're in your house, you know, when
something's removed. If you're ADHD like me, I know if
you've moved my cup, Like I only use certain things
and light switches and stuff. I got a little bit
OCD going on as well where I'm just you know,
that's what has got all switches got to be down
on my house and stuff that I'll know if someone's
coming through the door, and if something's moved, I know
about it.

Speaker 2 (02:31:35):
So, David Curl, I asked him a question right before
I brought you on. Never let him. Never let Curl
answer it. What was your home experience?

Speaker 11 (02:31:48):
Yeah, so it was never never anything inside the house, Okay,
but uh, you know, I had been up in the
woods and it was actually it was after the the
tent incident. Uh, and it was it was like two
days later. I'm in my backyard and I'm actually and

(02:32:11):
I at that time, I had a two story house
and and it had a like a you know, a
walk deck out on top of the patio cover. So
I had I had opened up the door, and I
had a you know, and uh, then I had some
lounge chairs out there. I sat down and I was
just enjoying the evening out there. And as I'm sitting

(02:32:32):
out in Mesa, Arizona. So I'm down in the valley.
It's in the desert area, not up in the you know.
I hear just an absolute clear whoop, and and it
was it was not you know it it didn't sound human,
it was it was it sounded like everything I've heard

(02:32:53):
out in the woods. So I ran and I got
my uh and it sounded like it was pretty close.
And I I went and grab my thermal and I
came back out on the on the walk deck and
and I scanned the entire area around there, and there
was wasn't a person in sight. There was I saw
a couple of rabbits thermal, but there was absolutely nothing

(02:33:15):
out there. And I could see a good because of
the the housing development was still being worked on, and
I could see probably a good you know, thousand feet
out and there was nothing out there. But it was
that it was close enough that I was sure it
was within that range. But hey, yeah, that was that

(02:33:35):
really range.

Speaker 15 (02:33:36):
Last time I was on we talked about the whoops
because I had this similar story.

Speaker 14 (02:33:40):
I got a whoop, same exact sand whoop.

Speaker 15 (02:33:44):
I was cutting off some friends to hit a trail
and it was almost like a Hey, heads up, there's
a guy over here and uh, Doug, we had or
you had Jim depisoda on and you told him he
needed to find an animal that made whoop sound two
weeks so call them up.

Speaker 2 (02:34:03):
And see what I will.

Speaker 7 (02:34:05):
I will.

Speaker 2 (02:34:06):
I haven't followed up on that.

Speaker 13 (02:34:07):
Yeah, I can tell you, like I spent a lot
of time in the woods and you know, five different
cabins now cottages from here all the way to atticle
because my brother lived ten years in Sudbury, which is
a seven hour drive straight north of Toronto, and I
used to go up there fishing every weekend, and he'd
there'd be no one. It would just be me. And

(02:34:29):
I've never heard any animal in the woods make a
whoop sound like that ever, not like that and not
that loud. And then and I can tell you confidently,
even though, like I told you how many times I've
shifted from being okay, I'm saying they're real. It's you know,

(02:34:50):
it's cool too, You're you're crazy like this, there's no
possible way because think about it, they just can't, you know,
to back to the next day, watch one of these
videos and look and say, yeah, there's one hundred percent
they these these this person has seen them with their
own two eyes. You know, it's not a blurt, blurb, blob,

(02:35:12):
squatch or whatever you call them. It's not that they've
seen it with their own two eyes. And they are
there's no doubt about it that they're real. Two you know,
the get into the supernatural stuff and how it's possible,
and then in the cloaking, and then you know, and
then I understand that it's very hard for people to

(02:35:34):
wrap their heads around that they're not a flesh and
blood animal running around and everything else, well, I think
that's next impossible and gone out the window. And you again,
I'll refer to Ron Moorehead, who was a starch, flesh
and blood Neanderthal whatever hybrid to writing books about quantum physics,
because what he witnessed and what I witnessed if if

(02:35:59):
indeed as a sasquatch, they can do things that are
beyond our comprehension, I'm not saying they're beyond our abilities,
because these orbs that are floating around. I was thinking
about it the other day and I was like, I
caught on to someone was doing remote viewing, and I'm like,
I wonder if they could remote view and see these

(02:36:20):
sasquatch in their natural habitat in the woods or whatever,
you know, with the kids in the lake and stuff
like that remote viewing. Well, how do we know that
sasquatch can't remote view? And that's the orbs we're seeing, David.
I was telling Doug last time. We all start off
as turds and tracks, right, we all start off.

Speaker 14 (02:36:42):
Yeah, yeah, you you you see enough research and it
just gets weirder and weirder.

Speaker 13 (02:36:54):
And I think they can do a lot more than
just Yeah. I believe that. It's because I looked at
the Barberschue video and I see what she caught on
camera was what looked like was in the Predator movie.
In fact, they had the graphics director of graphics on
the on the set dissect her video and he said

(02:37:16):
that there's no way that that can be faked and
everything else. However, she said, when she's what she saw,
there's a physical black little sasquatch kid juvenile jumped down
and run. But what showed up on the camera was
blurred out like a you know, like a like the

(02:37:39):
Predator movie, or how I like to refer to it
as as when it's ninety degrees like the last I
don't know, months and a half up here. Every day
you look at the highway and you get that little
haze off the top of the highway. Is it's blurry.
That's what I feel that they can do. I think
that they could be sitting like No. Here's the thing,

(02:38:00):
I'm not convinced that now, because I've looked into a
little a little more research on what the human eye
can digest and and our perception a vision of what
is actually going on or around us, and compared to
other animals on the planet, what they can see in

(02:38:21):
different colors and stuff like that. And it's absolutely possible
that these guys can manipulate our perception of what we
see when we look at them, and they could be
or they could just raise their vibration and frequently tool
lover that there absolutely disappear.

Speaker 14 (02:38:40):
Here's a weird sidetrack.

Speaker 15 (02:38:41):
I was watching Barb's channel a year or two ago,
and she got a report. She worked in the She
still works, I think in the store in Greenwater. But
a guy came down. He was driving around some old
logging roads in his truck just I don't know if
he's just shooting guns being it just hanging out and
he saw a following his truck and he's going at

(02:39:02):
a decent clip, you know, fifteen miles an hour and
this it looks like a pine tree about eight feet high,
just in the middle of the locker room, following him,
and he's going, what the hell? And after all it
freaked him out so bad he started hauling acid. It
kept up and then it just kind of went off
into a ditch and it was gone.

Speaker 14 (02:39:20):
And I don't know what to make of that.

Speaker 13 (02:39:23):
There's there's just too many things like that. There are,
and there's weird, like some weird, whacked out stuff that's
happened to some very prominent people. I I, okay, I
don't want to get too crazy. But too late. You
asked me about the you asked me about the alien thing.
I'm sitting there, we're what we can see these things
zipping zip zip zip, and and just no rhyme nor

(02:39:47):
reason to their movements. And then another one shows up,
and then another one shows up, and then they start
playing like they're playing in the up there, and then
they form into one and then boom into three again,
you know, And I was sitting there. I'll tell you
this you said you asked for it. It is the

(02:40:07):
weirdest thing. Well, we're watching these things, okay, and then boom,
they're all gone. And I had like four buddies at
the cabin and and we're sitting there and we were
I said, check this out. I see the thing go across.
They all look look that. Now we're all standing on
the bank watching these things dance. And then it's gone,

(02:40:32):
and they're like, oh, hey, you know, they're having a
couple of beers. They're like, oh my god, what a show.
That was awesome. You know how you yeah, you're right,
aliens don't exist. Okay, what the heck was that? You
gonna tell me? The US has got that right for
you know, they're the Air Force. And uh, it wasn't
even two hours goes by and we're, you know, listening tunes,

(02:40:53):
chucking it up, and we heard the biggest splash, like
a plane hit the water right not to two hundred
yards maybe three hundred yards from the bank in the bay,
out in our bay.

Speaker 2 (02:41:13):
Boom.

Speaker 13 (02:41:14):
Now I'm gonna call nine one one someone a plane
just crashed literally in the water. And these guys are
all like looking at We're all looking at each other going,
what the what the heck was that? You know, I
don't know, I don't know. We go down to the
dock looking out there and nothing, and the neighbors came
down to their dock. I could see them down the

(02:41:35):
way come down to their dock. Everyone heard it around
the bay and nothing, you know. So basically we were like,
what do we do, right? I said, well, we can
call nine one one, I said, but they're gonna what

(02:41:55):
are they gonna send someone out here to stand on
the dock and say, look at what we're looking at
right now? There's nothing in there. Well, these guys are
already three deep and they're like, yeah, and let's go
back to the fire, you know, come on, let's turn
the music up and let's just get back to it
and stuff like that. It was weird, you know, that's crazy.
I don't know what that could have been. Well, it wasn't.

(02:42:17):
It wasn't even an hour. There was a helicopter right
over the water and everything. I say, all of the
neighbors called nine one one. I'm the idiot that didn't
I should, you know, but they all called, and you know,
all from uh. I guess I was probably like maybe
around two in the morning. But at six in the morning,

(02:42:39):
there were still helicopters. Helicopters out there over the bay combing.
There was a there's a boat out theor the the
what's it called the water rescue boats, you know. Anyway,
they were out there, but nothing nothing found, nothing reported,
No one missing, planes down, nothing in the news. Nothing.

(02:43:03):
You tell me what that was like. I don't know
what it was. I didn't see it.

Speaker 14 (02:43:07):
But that's cool, man.

Speaker 13 (02:43:08):
It was the most like I told you, like huge
boulders being thrown in the water beside me. Well, I
every night last week that I had a fire. While
I was sitting there, those boulders were being thrown. And
then there was like I can't see because there's a
wall of bush. There's a fireplace where I'm sitting, but

(02:43:31):
I have trees between me and the water. It's it's
just literally a wall of bush and it's a six
foot drop off and then a two foot and then
you're in the water. So that wall of trees, they're
pine trees. I'm not my neighbors. All the everyone I
see up there mows down every tree in the place.
They got nothing on their property, They got no trees

(02:43:54):
They the biggest anti tree huggers you could ever meet.
In my neighbors. They don't they they they This is
the thing when you mentioned earlier about not talking to
the neighbors, have you ever asked them? They're hunters. They
do any kind of hunting you can think of, duck hunting.
Duck season, we're hunting duck. If it's deer season, we're
hunting deer. If it's ba, we're going bowl hunting. Boys.

(02:44:14):
Let's go like, that's the kind of guys they are, right,
And I don't knock that out. So my family heritage
too that. But we you know, they hunt moose and
stuff to fill their freezers, to feed their families. These
guys are doing it for sport. But if they saw
something weird like a sasquatch, an eight hundred pound animal
standing across from their cabin or cottage across that road

(02:44:36):
in the bush there, and they saw that, there's there's
little doubt in my mind the first thing they're doing
is reaching for their gun. That's what they're gonna do.
The first thing I'm gonna do is walk out and say, hey,
just let me know how close I can get before
you freeze me. Again, David, excuse me?

Speaker 2 (02:44:58):
How far did they throw you?

Speaker 7 (02:44:59):
Again?

Speaker 2 (02:45:00):
It foot? Did you measure?

Speaker 13 (02:45:02):
Ten feet?

Speaker 2 (02:45:03):
You? Just like, can you try to describe the force
that you were thrown at?

Speaker 13 (02:45:10):
Here's the thing was? It was, Yeah, I can because
I've thought about it a little. It was like I
I you know, I've had My dad was a big guy.
I have two brothers and we'd rough house all the time,
beating the crap out of each other where we were
kids and all growing up. And if he grabbed me

(02:45:31):
by the back of the neck or one of my
uncles and stuff that grabbed you, you know, like with
a firm and big guys, you know to forty two
fifty six six two six four guys, when they grab you,
you feel it. You got no choice. If you're lighter,
if you weigh one hundred and fifty sixty seventy pounds,
and I grab you and really is and throw you.

(02:45:54):
You're moving, you not can't stop it. It's just it's physics. Yeah,
this thing it was almost like it just it was
it just grabbed me square in the square in the
back and just went like flicked, not even a grab

(02:46:15):
and pull, and I felt, oh, going whoa like and throwing.
It was just like a boom flick.

Speaker 2 (02:46:22):
And I so, do you think you left the ground? Oh?

Speaker 13 (02:46:25):
I left the ground. I did a three sixty in
the air and landed on my back. I'm telling you that, man,
I I was disoriented from the spin.

Speaker 2 (02:46:36):
And let me guess. Let me guess your wife looked
away just for that one second.

Speaker 13 (02:46:40):
And she's sitting in the living room of the cabin
watching her shows. Outside. Yeah, I'm just out there sitting
there at the fire.

Speaker 2 (02:46:46):
She doesn't see you were alone.

Speaker 13 (02:46:48):
Always she doesn't like coming out there. She does her thing.
I'm out there looking at the stars. That she'll come
out and sit at the fire for you know, twenty minutes,
half hour, she'll look at the stars or whatever. But
she goes in, and I'm like, I'm not it's not
bedtime for me at nine o'clock. Come on.

Speaker 7 (02:47:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:47:06):
Yeah, just talk to him and and you know, and
try to set parameters as far as you know your
habitation in that area.

Speaker 13 (02:47:16):
So I think, like knock on wood, I think that
we're in a good place, like I've been getting now
since I did talk to them. I didn't talk to
them until I got there this year. This happened in October,
and we left the next morning and I didn't go back,
and then we were having serious conversations about you know,

(02:47:37):
my wife understood how shook. I was like, I don't
think you understand how I was going to see dialing
psychiatrists within that week.

Speaker 2 (02:47:45):
Well what, okay, so it happens, you did you run
inside in the cottage?

Speaker 13 (02:47:51):
No, I sat there at the fire. I sat there
for afterwards. Yeah, oh, for at least an hour in shock,
just complete and utter running running through my mind, looking
down at the fire, because the last thing I remembered
was the fire was falling down. It was still, it
was still raging. I just wanted to throw another log

(02:48:12):
on the fire. Let's get wrong. I got lots of
wood to burn, so it's but I wanted him to
put another and I didn't notice the rock right there
beside the fire, and I just tripped and I just
went to do a header right into the fire. I
got my arm on the cement lock, but I was
going in like straight in.

Speaker 2 (02:48:30):
So that's when you were grabbed.

Speaker 13 (02:48:32):
Yeah, and right at that exact well, just yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:48:36):
I heard all this one. To make sure the audience,
Oh yeah, absolutely knows.

Speaker 13 (02:48:43):
Yeah, well, so you the first people to hear it.
Whoever's watching.

Speaker 2 (02:48:48):
Yeah, so you may have been really saved from serious injury.

Speaker 13 (02:48:52):
I was one hund saved and I didn't know. Well,
that's the thing, because you're so smart, because here's the thing, right,
it wasn't it happened so quick? It was. It happened
so fast. There wasn't time to be scared or anything else. Uh,
it was. It was just shock. But once I realized,

(02:49:13):
like I did my little I landed. I did a
three sixty in the air and landed flat on my
back on this bush that had a little bit of
a spring to it because it's got long swooping like
fern branches, but thick fern. I don't know what kind
it is that I'll get a picture of it. In fact,
I'm gonna take a video of all of this, so

(02:49:33):
I have the documented. But I landed on it, so
it broke my fall. But I immediately what went through
my head is my dad, because I'm looking straight at
the sky and I could see the stars and everything.

Speaker 2 (02:49:49):
Then I have the did you have the wind, David?

Speaker 7 (02:49:51):
Did you have the window?

Speaker 13 (02:49:52):
And that's what I was waiting for, is that for sure,
because I've had my wind knocked out of me at
more times than I could count. Oh it sucks, but
you know, so no, that never happened. And the other
thing that's happened a hundred not okay, that's happened before
is it's like when if you get kicked in the
junk and you don't feel it right away, but then

(02:50:13):
you're like, oh boy, Like you know, if you get
a stick in when you're playing hockey or something, you
get yick and it's like, oh, is that gonna hurt?
And then it's like, oh yeah, that okay, right, that
is what I was waiting for when I landed. I
was waiting for that. I'm like, when's the pain going
to set in? Because everything's got to be broken. I
just did a three sixty in the air.

Speaker 2 (02:50:33):
Okay, alright, just hang on now. Yeah, okay, So you
flew far enough. Were you actually thought that you would
have broken bone?

Speaker 13 (02:50:43):
Yeah? Oh yeah, I thought I was dead. First. When
I realized it wasn't dead, I was like, Okay, what's broken?
And when's the pain going to hit me? Yes? And
then I went through like this. I just kind of
and I'm just looking at the sky straight up and
I'm still going through like this, moving like checking my hands, arms,
legs like this right, and I'm like, oh crap, I'm
good to go. And I freaking bounced up on to

(02:51:06):
my feet and I took like two steps towards the
fire and frozen. Maybe it was one step. It felt
like two steps towards the fire, but it could have
been one. It happened so quick, and then I was frozen.
And then I'm like, whoahoa, whoa, what's going on? I
can't move and I can't move and I start trying
harder and harder because I'm like, what is going on?

(02:51:30):
And I said, it almost felt like a force field,
like a you know, It's not like I'm paralyzed because
I could blank think, move my eyes and head. I've
heard in these other videos of this exact same thing
being described better than I'm doing it right now, but

(02:51:50):
by Ron moorehead and very notable people, researchers, reputable researchers,
that the exact same thing has happened to them, that
they could moved backwards, they were able to move backwards,
but they just couldn't go any further forwards. How about
you and Carl mentioned the same thing. He couldn't go
any further forwards, and then when he managed to be

(02:52:12):
able to say I'm your friend, boom, you were released. Yeah, yep, right,
and it was there.

Speaker 11 (02:52:20):
Yeah, there was nobody in front of me for you know,
until about twenty feet to where that where the brush was,
where it was behind you know, but it was yeah.

Speaker 13 (02:52:29):
Well, well when I discovered that, is this what happened
to me? What it was or what I now believed it,
firmly believed it to be because I've heard it described
better than I'm doing, like I said right now, by
people in this field, and specifically related to hardcore researchers
that are in and looking specifically for sasquatch and getting

(02:52:51):
close to them. And that's when it happens. You get
between a or you get too close to a sasquatch
and its kids, a mother and its kids, you're getting frozen.
If you get too close, you're getting frozen. The first
thing you're going to get is a rock thrown, and
that's a sign that you're too close. I've seen here's
the other thing on the roof, pine cones, pine cones

(02:53:13):
and acorns all the time hitting the roof of the
cottage at four in the morning. Three in the morning,
the tops on the windows gate it there was slaps. Yeah,
can I ask?

Speaker 14 (02:53:25):
And Carl too, Yeah, did you feel anything like a
warmth or like like just a pressure.

Speaker 13 (02:53:32):
Seeing it's hard for you, better for you to describe, Carl,
because you said yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:53:36):
For me, it was it was just I couldn't move
at all. I was and the only thing I could
describe is that it felt like my body was disrupted.
I don't know, but I couldn't move, like it was
just frozen in position. I couldn't move back, forward, nothing.
And I stood there and then and then I started

(02:53:59):
just skiddy week these started giving out, and and then
I started crumbling and until I got basically until I
was on my hands and knees, and then I just
barely eked out. You know, I'm a friend. And the
moment I said that, it was like boom okay, and
it's like a switch.

Speaker 13 (02:54:17):
It was. And when I when I when I did
end up telling my wife when we got home. You know,
it was just so hard for me to believe that
any of this happened. Okay, it just wasn't. It's just
not possible. Okay, I didn't get thrown. Something didn't save me,
first of all, from the fire. And I didn't put

(02:54:39):
it together. My wife did after I had told her
the story, and and she was like, whoa, so we're
selling And I said, well, no, honey, we're not selling.
And she said, well, we can't live there, and I said,
yes we can. I said that we don't know what
it is, and that now, at this point, I had
no idea this happening, and and Bigfoot and anything. Okay,

(02:55:01):
I thought firmly it was probably aliens or an angel
or some kind of divine intervention, my past father or
something saved me from the fire, for sure, she said,
after I told her the whole thing. And then when
I saw the first I came across the first transcript

(02:55:24):
that had paralyzed in it, and then I went and
watched it, and it was it was probably Ron moorehead
that said that he got paralyzed and frozen, couldn't move.
He was talking to the guy behind him. He goes, yep,
I can't move forward either, and they were and they
describe it perfectly. I sent these clips to Jeff. Jeff,
you should have played them, but I don't know what
the copyrights are. If you can play other people's.

Speaker 7 (02:55:46):
Yeah, I'm not sure if I can play those or not,
but we'll definitely watch them.

Speaker 13 (02:55:50):
Because they're very cool. They're very cool short clips. Right,
I'm only clipping the part that it pertains to what
happened to me, because that's what I wanted. And and
and Ron moore Head even contacted ah some kind of
scientific doctor forensics or scientific doctor to do with quantum energy.
Because once my wife described or once she heard me

(02:56:14):
tell her, and then she was like wool you know,
got over that. Then she heard me tell it to
my brother and have him hang up on me. And
then I told my best friend and he laughed and said, Rossie,
you're you're out of your tree. This time clicked and
hung up. Right, It's like okay, But she had heard

(02:56:36):
the story now a couple times and that's when he
hung up on me and said, you're out of your tree.
Then my wife said, you know the way you described it,
she said, let's think about this. Logically, something saved you
from burning your face off at the very least, like
you would have fell full fledge into it. And my

(02:56:57):
arm was all burnt up, right, she said, so there's that.
But when you say that you laid there still for
you don't know how long. And that's the thing, Doug,
I don't know how long I was looking at the stars.
I'm telling you from my perspective what I did when

(02:57:19):
I landed. I remember looking at the stars. I remember
going through the checklist of what's broken, waiting for the
feeling of something to be hurt. Now, I couldn't. I
can't definitively tell you that I wasn't laying there for
five minutes, ten minutes, an hour. How long was I there?
Because my wife had gone to bed. She's not coming out.

(02:57:41):
She didn't see it, she okay, And so I don't
know how long I was there. Could be time loss there. Yeah,
I'm going to tell you there's another piece to this
that I've left out of this, Okay, which is a
little It just gets crazier and crazier. Anyway, what don't well,
I'd like to do is get some scientific proof for

(02:58:02):
evidence of something. Okay, So but let me finish this.
My wife says, you were laying there, You don't know
how long the thing or whatever saved you or did
saved you from burning your face off. In the fire,
falling into the fire and through you. Now you're laying there.

(02:58:23):
Whatever that was, whether it's alien, sasquas, whatever, probably thought
you were dead because you're laying there staring straight up
and you don't know how long you were looking at
the stars where you're going through your little checklist and
everything else, or even you know, and you don't know
how long you're there. It or whatever saved you probably
thought it killed you from throwing you, from saving you

(02:58:45):
because you did a three sixty in the air and
you landed on your back ten feet across the yard
in a bush, like, yeah, you're dead. So it comes
over to take a closer look at, you know, and
you'd then finish your checklist or come to do your
thing and jump up on your feet and immediately start

(02:59:05):
walking towards the fire. Of course, if it was anything
that didn't want you to see it or get closer
or once you're frozen now, and that's what it felt like.
I don't want to say that I felt when I
was frozen. It's the weirdest feeling ever. It's like it's
like an energy. It's like like a buzzing energy, like
you just like a it feels almost like you would

(02:59:30):
envision a force field holding you in place, or something
like a type of energy around you. That's the only
thing I can say that I after thinking about it
days later, I was like, there was that kind of
feeling because I got angry that I couldn't move forward.
I was I was like, what the hell is this now?

(02:59:50):
And I got angry, and I, you know, remember trying, trying,
and then spinning because I was angry. I was like,
you can't hold me. That's what That's what went through
my head is you can't hold me here. You can't
hold me here. And I did this three sixty as
fast as I could to spin. And as soon as
I did that, I was free and I went straight,
was five steps to the chair, sat there and went,

(03:00:16):
what the hell just happened? I could I was in shock.
I didn't even feel that my arm was burned. I
didn't even know that until I got inside and got
in bed.

Speaker 2 (03:00:24):
It wasn't it? Is it possible? It just reminded me
and the comment somebody had mentioned Dennis mentioned it. It
just sounds like Travis when he got whacked by that
beam and got thrown back. But did you at any point,

(03:00:48):
feel any pressure on your arm or where grabbed you
by the coat or from nowhere. No, it's like your
whole body just got weightless.

Speaker 13 (03:00:58):
Yeah, well flung flung faster, like we're talking, grabbed by
your back. And I, you know, I had a it
was October in Canada here, so I had a thick
you know, I had a T shirt and then a
thick fleece and then a jacket over that sitting at

(03:01:19):
the fire, you know, and uh, it grabbed through all
of that, I guess, and just went boom like a
bean bag. Like I weighed nothing. It was just that
fast and I flew like flew.

Speaker 2 (03:01:33):
Okay, think about six foot Think about the strength it
took to do that.

Speaker 13 (03:01:38):
It's incredible. Incredible.

Speaker 2 (03:01:40):
Let me let me relate a story that I experienced
personally with my daughter and other people in the cabin
we were. We were the headboard was up against a
wall right by windows and a porch, and I had
heard something walk up on the porch and play with
the recycle clean bins and walk you know, bipedally down

(03:02:03):
the steps, play with Joe's truck, the velcrow on the
TONU cover, come back up, play with the recycling bins
and he kept doing this back and forth, and I'm
laying there. Of course, I'm freidy cat. I got my
young daughter sleeping next to me, and I'm like, do
I want to rip the the duct tape off the

(03:02:25):
blanket covering the window and scare this thing? Because it
was literally just like one foot from the window. I
was scared to do that, right of course, in my mind,
I'm thinking, well, I don't want to upset it and
then have it kill my daughter. So okay. So but

(03:02:46):
here's where it gets supernatural or weird. I still cannot
explain it. This is a this is not sell Grove.
This is a different cabin near the boundary waters off
the grid, eleven miles down a little logging drill to
the cabin, and there were blueberry bushes all around the cabin.
Do okay, But all of a sudden, it was a

(03:03:11):
boom on the side wall. It felt like a semi
truck hit the wall. The bed moved a foot away
from the wall, flew away from the wall, and we
My daughter at that point woke up and said the
F word.

Speaker 7 (03:03:28):
She was like, nine, yeah, I'd never heard of swear.

Speaker 2 (03:03:31):
She was like, what of you know? What I mean.
And I had never experienced anything that powerful. It was
like a semi hit that wall. And I to this day,
I just I wrestled with that.

Speaker 13 (03:03:44):
It's impossible, but it happened.

Speaker 2 (03:03:48):
Yeah, we talk about it all the time.

Speaker 11 (03:03:51):
Yeah, I've heard of stuff where, you know, like there
was a tornado coming. This was I believe this was
a person in North Carolina, but there was a tornado
and there were habituators and sasquatch ran in there and
just slapped their house like that, you know, and he
got up and was like, what the heck was that?

(03:04:11):
And it looked out and saw that there was a
tornado coming, and they got down in their basement.

Speaker 2 (03:04:15):
You know.

Speaker 11 (03:04:17):
So it's stuff like that where it's the same.

Speaker 13 (03:04:20):
You know. Yeah, yeah, And I believe that now, whether
it's Sasquatch doing it or something else. But something slapped
the cabin to wake them up and there's a tornado
coming and saved them. Something did. And you know, I'm
not I watch all the channels now, and I've been
in all the communities in the Bigfoot community here and uh.

Speaker 2 (03:04:41):
You know, you've never come forward, You've never.

Speaker 13 (03:04:45):
I've never talked to anyone my brothers hung up on me,
my friends, I hung up on me. My wife is like, say,
I love you, but come on, really, if they're real,
they're real. But when when this happened, she took it
a lot more serious and was you know, we were
having conversations both selling the property, and I said, because
I was kind of maybe I don't want to live, like,

(03:05:07):
maybe we don't want to retire there, maybe we can
find a different cab and I got lots of places
up north here to go.

Speaker 2 (03:05:13):
Well, did you have any interest in the big Foot
mystery before?

Speaker 13 (03:05:16):
Not at all, Not at all, not at all, not
at all. Oh, I mean I liked your show on
TV there Monster Quest, and yeah, I don't mind what
of course, I'm Godzilla, King Kong.

Speaker 2 (03:05:29):
I grew up with you know, all of the but
you weren't obsessed, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 13 (03:05:35):
On my radar. Other than when I was a kid,
four or five years old, we were my grandparents had
to fly and fishing place on Rainy Lake. We were
told they were black bears playing with their mom on
the beach. They weren't right, Okay, black bears don't sit
in the sand and go walking into running into the
water and then out and the mom sitting over on

(03:05:55):
the side over there, we're not allowed out of the
cabin and stuff, but they're black. They had that right. Yeah,
and you know the people I believe that I forgot
all about that. I forget all about David.

Speaker 14 (03:06:08):
You you've never actually seen a bigfoot, right, No? No,
and I haven't either.

Speaker 15 (03:06:14):
But with all my encounters, we just assume it's bigfoot
that we have no damn it, it's ship.

Speaker 13 (03:06:22):
But you just hit the hit it on the head
because like literally it.

Speaker 14 (03:06:26):
Sounds like activity that's related to this thing.

Speaker 13 (03:06:30):
I'm getting all of them, like all the boxes checked out. Yeah,
but I'm getting the howls, the screams, them setting off,
the coyotes, feathers between the door rocks.

Speaker 14 (03:06:41):
On, all related the UFOs and the well.

Speaker 13 (03:06:45):
They very well all could be, and it could be.
I would be very well. Think about it logically, Okay,
we've been here in just the last hundred years, when
was Roswell forty seven or whatever, and that's when we're
going to make contact and discovered aliens and stuff. And
then it doesn't. Some treaty and everything else with one

(03:07:06):
of the presidents went on and it hasn't worked out
so well for us because the US has done with
in Russia and China and you get you know, it's
all about arms race, war, every you've got to build
a bigger missile and everything else. Well, aliens aren't our
friends anymore because we can't play nice with ourselves on
this planet. Here's the thing. If the Sasquatch are reel,

(03:07:31):
then they've been on this planet a hell of a
lot longer than us as humans. Us humans, okay, And
even if they come from one of the first tribes,
which I've tracked down now through these glyphs and stuff,
that they're trying to point them to caves that they're
speaking dialects from caves over in Serbia and places of
the very first, very first up upright walking. They're not

(03:07:57):
I guess they're humans, but they're not speaking. That's cool,
but they're writing with glyphs and it's a basic language.
And then they say, I've looked at some of these
researchers that I have been following now that are trying
to put these glyphs together. Because that's what went through
my mind is if these things are real, now I'm
moving to the next level I'm not knocking on trees,
I'm not whooping in the middle of the forest, and

(03:08:19):
I ain't going to look for them. But they're leaving,
clearly leaving little messages for me on stumps that I
can't read. So if I want to communicate with them,
we need to write to each other. And clearly they
have a language that they can use these little sticks
that mean something in a certain way to them. I
need to figure out what that writing says in English

(03:08:40):
to me, and we're going to figure that out.

Speaker 15 (03:08:42):
On the subject of language, I've actually started making a
list of reports that sound like native language, you know,
like first nations, just just the tone and the structure,
and I've got probably twenty different little little sayings.

Speaker 14 (03:09:00):
One that comes to mind. I was in Greenwater again.

Speaker 15 (03:09:03):
I got caught in on logging land and I was
just looking for prints and just dinking around, and security.

Speaker 14 (03:09:12):
Caught me this guy. He's like, you got to come
out here. You're not supposed to be on the property.
And I came out and I'm like, hey man, first
day I had a go pro too, so I got
all on video, but I go he was.

Speaker 15 (03:09:27):
He was half Yakima, half Muckleshoot native guy and nice guy.
But he was nervous because he didn't know me from Adam.
And I go, I go, hey, man, I'm just looking
for a sasquatch prints.

Speaker 14 (03:09:39):
And he lit up like oh really.

Speaker 7 (03:09:42):
I'm like, oh, here we go.

Speaker 14 (03:09:43):
We're best friends now. But he told me he's in
the watershed back there where no one can go. It's
off limits.

Speaker 13 (03:09:51):
You know.

Speaker 14 (03:09:51):
He's making his rounds, stops to pee.

Speaker 15 (03:09:55):
He's got a husky, and his husky starts looking around
and he's just peeing, and he hears and he and
he does this.

Speaker 14 (03:10:01):
He stops.

Speaker 13 (03:10:02):
He goes.

Speaker 15 (03:10:04):
Wow wah, and he was he had to remember it exactly,
and I have it on video and that blew my mind.

Speaker 2 (03:10:12):
That was said.

Speaker 14 (03:10:13):
That sounds fuck native right like whatever, But he.

Speaker 13 (03:10:18):
Was it scared.

Speaker 14 (03:10:19):
He scared him so bad. He got out his nine
and he's like, what the hell. He didn't see anything,
but he he.

Speaker 13 (03:10:25):
Zipped out of there. And that's what I was getting at,
is this is they these are not dumb animals. Okay,
that did not by any stretch of the imagination. If
they've been on the planet one hundred thousand years longer
than any of us, any human or a million years
longer then they made contact with aliens a lot a

(03:10:48):
long long time ago, and I and they didn't have
weapons of mass destruction and and all kinds of chaos
to scare the aliens away. They were like, hey, they've
probably been working together for hundreds of thousands of years, okay,
hundreds of thousands of years. Why would they be scared
of them? And the aliens probably go if they're been coming,

(03:11:09):
and if what they're saying is true, and there are
as many alien races that have been on this planet
for hundreds of thousands of years, if not millions, and
ones that are living and have been living on the
planet before we even e evolved, before they started tampering
with our genetics to even get us to where we
are now, which I have a hard time with, which is,
in the last hundred years, we went from a little

(03:11:31):
putting a little wood wheel together to now we can
fly cars in the air, like come on, in less
than one hundred years. I watched my parents' mind's blowing
from getting a black and white TV and fiddling with
the get this signal to looking at a screen on
our phone, you know, like come on. That was that's
just been in one hundred years, come on, all that.

(03:11:52):
So if Bigfoot's been hanging out with aliens for I
don't know who can say how long?

Speaker 11 (03:11:59):
Right, Well, the thing I've always said was, you know,
you know we during the place to scene era, right,
we had megafauna, right, And it's like, and who's to
say we didn't have mega humanoids?

Speaker 6 (03:12:12):
Right?

Speaker 13 (03:12:13):
So sure, absolutely, Well you're yes, Dennis, Yes, it takes
a lot to make a fossil.

Speaker 7 (03:12:21):
Yeah, and it would be really unlikely that yeah, just
and and and the aliens.

Speaker 13 (03:12:28):
So this has been the buzz buzzword that you guys
have all been seeing, probably in the last six months
in the news and stuff, is that they walk among us,
that they're trying to prove that they've been walking among us.

Speaker 15 (03:12:41):
Okay, And the albums from the eighties is called they
Walk among Us.

Speaker 13 (03:12:47):
Listen, I'm going to tell you flat we get along
really well for a reason, and I'll tell you it's
because the more I learn, the less I want to know.
And I just want to go to my cabin, have
my little fire, and I just want to look at
the stars and put the rod in the water. I
want to chop some wood, and I want to get
back to what the what people were doing in the twenties,

(03:13:08):
okay in eighteen. Yeah, I'm trying to go backwards. I
don't want to know anymore because more I get to
know what's what we don't has been going on or
could be going on all around us because we you
know the fact we only use a sixth of our brain.
It's not a tenth of your brain. Humans, Humans are

(03:13:28):
getting dumber.

Speaker 15 (03:13:30):
Yeah, I agree with that, but I think everyone here,
everyone in chat, all you guys, we're just curious as
hell and we and that's why we're here.

Speaker 7 (03:13:38):
Right.

Speaker 13 (03:13:39):
Well, here's what I'll leave you with a couple of things.
One of my mentors was, again, I've had I've had
some pretty crazy shit stuff go on in my life,
like similar to what we've been talking about, but not.
And here's something that it seems like in my lifetime,
things have just fallen. They just come to me. You know,

(03:14:03):
it just happens to you. Like I'm known as that
guy that you know, you got a problem, you better
go talk to Dave, Like, go talk to vera Ax.
He'll fix whatever your issue is. And it doesn't matter
because I've dealt with a lot of stuff. So one
of my mentors when I one of our businesses we
have downtown here in the skyscraper is a couple floors
of and we rent office space and meeting rooms and

(03:14:24):
stuff like that. Well, one of the guys that rents
the office just so happens to be the the Paul
Hellier in Canada was the Secretary of Defense so to
our prime minister, so he's like, your number got your
number two guy to Trump that Trump says, you know,

(03:14:46):
annihilate these guys, and he makes that happen. That's the
guy you go to talk to. Well, Paul Hellier obviously Canada.
I know we're kind of a joke around the world,
but still we're invited to all of the big events
when you know, the four star five star generals get
together to talk about events that can affect the planet
and you know what these guys are doing in this

(03:15:06):
part of the world and stuff. Our guys are invited.
You know, our secretary of Defense comes down, well, he
has he sat through meeting after meetings and years, twenty
thirty years he was in Parliament at different levels in security.
You don't get a higher security clearance put it that way.
He was privy too. Now all you have to do

(03:15:28):
is this in YouTube, and I encourage you to do
it if you're into UFOs or sasquatch or any of
this stuff. Paul last name Hellyer at llye er okay,
and it'll come up Secretary of Defense. He's written no
less than fourteen books. I believe, fourteen books all about finance, okay,

(03:15:58):
and stock markets and the economy and all this stuff.
In one of those books, which I'll look up, I
have him all on my shelf here. There's a paragraph
where he talks about UFOs what he was privy to.
And but if you go on YouTube and I'll find

(03:16:21):
this stuff, I can find it. I have it saved
somewhere where he has been interviewed. And he actually got
ridiculed his career and everything. He was already done. So
once he retired, he started writing books. And when he
was sixty five ish he said, you know what, screw it.

(03:16:42):
The people need to know I'm done. Now. At this point,
he's now been renting an office from me across the
street here in a skyscraper. Oh yeah, yeah, so I'm
seeing him every day. Good morning, mister Hellier. I had
to sell him the office when he came to look
at the floor and everything else, you know, and I
get to know the secretary. He was there twenty five

(03:17:04):
years with me, Doug. Okay, so I know me and
Paul once. He wasn't interesting to me, the finance stuff
and everything. I'm on Bay Street, which is your wall
street in New York. It doesn't you know. As soon
as I heard UFO, I was like, huh, And they're like,
oh shit, you wouldn't believe what Paul said yesterday.

Speaker 2 (03:17:25):
Well everything.

Speaker 13 (03:17:27):
The next thing you know, he's on the circuit and
he went to a couple of conferences and he spoke
on UFOs and not UFOs aliens specifically, and how many
different races that he got Prevy two through your five
star generals that he was invited down there and we
got a problem. These things are flying around in our
airspace and it's like, you know, we can't do anything

(03:17:49):
that we can't Now this is back in the nineties,
two thousands. Yeah, he was.

Speaker 2 (03:17:55):
He was like the first whistle.

Speaker 13 (03:17:59):
As as he did his first talk on it, he
got just completely annihilated. Everyone ridiculed him and everyone. It
was terrible to see, but he didn't not everyone, because
the community at large and the people and citizens at
large and anyone that's anyone that would watch morecan Mindy
was like, you're a hero, Like let's get real aliens

(03:18:20):
in any way went hell yeah, because here's what he was.
Was the first individual that yeah, the first individual that
was in Parliament privy to that is not You could
no way shape form paint him as being some whack job.
He's got fourteen books on bestsellers lists for finance and

(03:18:42):
running economies and everything else. You know, twenty of a
sixty year or fifty. It's ridiculous how long he was
in parliament. You know what years he was in parliament
from the fifties to the to the nineties.

Speaker 14 (03:18:55):
So he knew all about that whole shag Harbor incidental.

Speaker 13 (03:18:58):
He knows that he knew everything. He said, they're landing
in Muskoka, they're landing in northern Northern Canada, they have
a full base in our in Antarctica, that they are
in every single ocean. He not only blew the whistle,
he grabbed a megaphone and went there, there's this race,
this race, this race, this race, and those are only

(03:19:19):
the ones that we're aware of that have been visiting
our planet for who knows how long they all he
could say was as long as we've known that they exist.
They've been on our planet now, you know. But here
we are, that's in the nineties, like you know, for me,
that feels like last week, but it's and here we

(03:19:41):
are still with the Well, let's let's have some debates
down in Congress about this and you know what it's
you know, come on and like, we're not you can't
you just.

Speaker 2 (03:19:57):
Have you ever gotten together with him and had.

Speaker 13 (03:19:59):
A yes every every chance I could? And he was
there for twenty years?

Speaker 2 (03:20:04):
Is he is?

Speaker 13 (03:20:05):
He is? He didn't drink, He didn't drink.

Speaker 2 (03:20:07):
And he's still around her. Is he passed?

Speaker 13 (03:20:09):
No, he just passed, uh a few years ago. It's
been a few years, I say, just it's probably twenty ten,
two thousand and five or ten. He passed. And he
lived across literally I can look in his window at
his condo right across the street, and our and my
buildings were across the street by the way, right, So,
and it's a community. I'm in the Harbor Front in

(03:20:30):
Toronto and it's a community. Right, So you get to
know all of these kind of people, plus my mom.
I moved my mom into a condo into his building,
so she got to know him, and he kind of
took a liking to her. So he'd tell her stories
and she'd just my mom was crazy about anything she
could find out, right, she'd ask.

Speaker 2 (03:20:48):
All right, all right, we gotta we gotta wrap it up.
But here's my proposal. Very ax, We're gonna do a
veryax super show.

Speaker 7 (03:20:54):
Okay, we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (03:20:55):
We're gonna get Flat Rockland back, get Carl back, We're
going to get to Yeah, we'll get tob On.

Speaker 13 (03:21:03):
Is it to Johnson? Oh?

Speaker 14 (03:21:05):
Hell yeah, I just met him the other day.

Speaker 2 (03:21:07):
For the first So we'll get tob On. Tob's a friend,
We'll get toby On. Whatever you want to say, but
we'll get tob On and then we'll have this crazy you.

Speaker 13 (03:21:19):
Gotta have Carl. Carl, I didn't know that you had
experiences me. That blows my mind. I probably do. I
just have probably had forgotten because there's so much research
that you've done that have I've said from the beginning,
there's certain researchers that go about researching that I'm very
much attracted to. And then there's others that I'm not obviously,

(03:21:39):
and the ones that I'm attracted to are taking a
scientific look at it from a scientific I'm a data scientist, Doug.
I don't know if you know that or not.

Speaker 7 (03:21:47):
I don't.

Speaker 13 (03:21:48):
Yeah, we have data big data companies, okay, data centers
and hiring engineers and everything else.

Speaker 2 (03:21:55):
Like I said, well, will you do me a favorite,
give Jeff all of your phone numbers? I don't think
we have your phone number, do we? Flat I don't
think so.

Speaker 13 (03:22:05):
I'm a little I'm a little worried that the cats
out of the bag now, Like I let the cat
out of the bag with you now. And but here's
the thing, like, I don't think you know for me,
my what happened to me? That's what attracted me to this.

Speaker 7 (03:22:21):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (03:22:22):
I don't think it would affect your business at all.

Speaker 13 (03:22:24):
It's my opinion, but personally I don't. At this point,
I'm practically I am retired. I mean, let's face it.
But I were worried about it, but I.

Speaker 2 (03:22:34):
Worried to it at one point, and at some point
I was like, it didn't affect me at all.

Speaker 13 (03:22:39):
You know, you know what was worse for me why
I switched because when I started researching when this happened,
I went by my real name, and it was my
full real name on my YouTube was what I was
going by. And it wasn't until I wrote a comment
because you have to understand my background and in forensic interview,

(03:23:02):
having the skills that I bring to the table working
for you guys have three letter agencies. Up here, we
have four letter agencies, and I've done a lot of
work for those agencies, and when you work for those
kind of agencies. Okay, this is why I changed it.
Doug is and my wife asked me about this. The governments, No, okay,

(03:23:26):
this ain't a secret. I got news for you. It's
not a secret to them at all. Your Forestry Service
knew Bluff Creek?

Speaker 12 (03:23:33):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (03:23:34):
What went on down there with Patty and everything after
that film ended and everything and the hiring the Canadian
with the truck, the Canadian tracking dog and everything else.
Why track down the pilot that flew them down to
Bluff Creek? That he's alive and he's in BC right now,
and I have him in a chat room on YouTube.
I found him. He made a comment, He made a comment,

(03:23:54):
and he commented and said something specifically about flying John
Green and Renee Dehindon down there, and I said, oh really,
And then I went down a couple more comments, and
then I sent him a message and he responded, and
I said, did you fly the plane with them on?
He said twice both times? And I said, so you're
the guy down there in the film that I'm watching.

(03:24:16):
He said, that's me with a gun. And I said, okay,
I said, so you plan on taking this to your
deathbed with you? Do you? You're not? You know, like, really,
what do you got to lose? Now that has been
fifty years. If they shot a bigfoot down there, killed
Patty or killed the others that they say that they did,
the young youngin and stuff like that that MK Davis

(03:24:37):
has made video after video about if any of that
is true? You were there? Now, did it happen or not? Like?
Can we have a talk? Is what I said to him. Now,
I'm being very frank and blunt. Now I wasn't like
that in tone. You can't be like that in a
message to him, right, But what I was asked him
to do was to do an interview, like would you

(03:24:57):
sit down and talk about it with me? And he
never responded. Here he hasn't responded yet. But the message
I sent to him was blunt in the way that
I wanted to drive it home to him that this
guy can't be a youngster anymore. He's got to be
in his eighties or you know, up there in his
late eighties or getting there. And you can't take something

(03:25:18):
like that to your deathbed with you. What he got
to lose. Put it out there, be the hero that
Paul Hollier was for me and in Canada and the
people in the UFO and anyone that believed in aliens
and had been saying that they existed and possibly could
be on our planet and everything else that we're doing
the researchers back then, well when he came and blew

(03:25:39):
the lid off and said it, well, this guy could
be you know, somewhat like that. But here's that's why
I changed my name, is because I was going to
do a little bit of a deeper dive into that.
I got on the MK Davis thing. I watched a
couple of his the two original interviews he did which

(03:25:59):
you can't find right now, which I have. I found
them on some server over in the UK of MK Davis.
These two interviews that he did and and they give
full details. And this was before anyone in this community
knew about this. It was a show that he did
over there, and I can show him to you. I'm
gonna send him to you. This is factual stuff. But
it got me so upset because I'm not Oh, they

(03:26:25):
all want to be your friends. Guy. If I now believe,
I have to believe that they're real, because I believe
a couple of these are not a couple, but there's
definitely a few of them. And I'm putting ten of
them together for my brother right now to prove to
them that they exist. These people are not lying. This
did happen to them. I can't say what happened to me.

(03:26:47):
Is saspots or alien or like I said, paranormal scoop
ghosts to find intervention or what. I can't say, but
I could say that there's been a couple of researchers
in this, in this in the communuity of Sasquatch, that
this exact thing. Carl's sitting ray here, he's one of them.
Ron mooreheads another you got Michigan rob is another, you

(03:27:08):
got the Kevin keene K e H N or whatever.
These are all prominent researchers in this community that have
been researching and doing boots on the ground research for
thirty years, not a couple last few years. Fly by
the sea of your pants craft. This is these guys
are crawling around in the woods and getting up close

(03:27:31):
and personal. You don't get what happened to me and
what happened to Carl unless you're within a foot of
these things. And I had one touch me. Okay, there's
no way unless they have some kind of other power
that can just go like yes, whoo whoo and throw me,

(03:27:51):
which which, to be honest, Doug, I'm not at this point.
The more I watched, like I said, the more I
watch and learn about this in their abilities and what
is actually happening to people and what Flat said, which
is stuff showing up in their living rooms. And you
have these habituators that I watched one this afternoon that's

(03:28:12):
got a CD out of two hundred words that she
grew up with sasquatch. I forget her name, and she's
well well known. I should know her name, because you
know I've watched I've been in this meeting long enough.
But she's a well known habituator, and there's a bunch
of them, and there's a few of them that I
immediately went, you haven't said anything that is anything that

(03:28:35):
I can actually nail down as being actual, factual, put
my foot on kind of thing. And when I'm looking
at how am I going to speak to these things
on my property? Because they clearly want to talk. They're
leaving me messages. I just I'm too dumb to have
not had the time to hop on and figure out
what was listening and what language they're in. I've tracked
them down to some cave in Serbia from before humans,

(03:28:58):
wherever even a thing they were doing, These glyphs. Hey,
can I can I throw.

Speaker 14 (03:29:04):
Something in there? Speaking of glyphs? David, sorry, cut.

Speaker 13 (03:29:06):
You No, I want to hear a book glys.

Speaker 14 (03:29:08):
I have pictures of this.

Speaker 15 (03:29:09):
I've actually sent it to Bigfoot or New York Todd
and Greg Olsen, a couple of guys. But I found
it was about the size of a baseball, just little
sticks stuck in the ground and circle like a little corral,
and it was filled with cedar cones, real small, just
off trail.

Speaker 14 (03:29:29):
I don't know what to make of that, and I
found the other glyphs kind of in the area too.

Speaker 13 (03:29:34):
But like, here's the thing, right, like anything like that,
it could mean, it could mean a lot of things.
I have seen that. Actually i've seen it. I've not
only seen it the way you described it, little cedar
cones in a circle, one in the mid that's standing
there physically. I've also seen it in a glyph on
the side of a rock wall today in a video

(03:29:55):
I was watching that they're taking this back to These
guys were looking for gold and they're looking for Jesse James.

Speaker 14 (03:30:02):
This was by an old mining ghost town.

Speaker 13 (03:30:06):
So here. Here's the other thing that I discovered in
the last doing this research in the last year is
there is a ton of information from hunters videos, hunting videos. Okay,
I'm gonna show you a video. I gotta track it down.
But I saw what Barb Shoop saw in her video
of the the predator effect Sasquatch. Okay, this turkey hunter

(03:30:33):
was with his daughter and they were sitting and by
a tree. They got there the night before, like four
in the morning, way before the sun came up. And
they're sitting there and they get their spot and they're
buy the tree. They can hear the Turkey's goblin or
whatever they do in the morning starting to and so
they start calling them in and he his daughter says,

(03:30:59):
I'm gonna move, but I'm gonna move up because they're
just over the ridge right here, like you can see,
they're on a slanted hill with trees. And so she
moves up and she's got a camera and she's filming
and stuff, trying to see them and stuff. And then
it's just getting too daylight and stuff, and he's calling
from the tree with his little thing whatever, and she

(03:31:20):
turns around when he gobbles. She turns around to say
something to him and has the camera on him. When
she hit the camera hits him, he looks like Predator,
like the like the Barbershop video. He is showing up
and I'm like, no, he didn't have a gilly suit on.

(03:31:41):
He had cameo, but he didn't have gilly suit on.
So I'm like, well that I have to see again.
I rewound that and watch that and watch that. I
immediately brought up Barber Shoop's video, the Little Predator one,
and I'm like, they're identical. I wonder if it's the
exact same camera and if that's a defect in that
camera or the lighting or whatever at the time that

(03:32:01):
that did it, or whether it's the ability of a
sasquatch that can do it, or whether it's a defect
or something the lighting. Like I said, but they're identical,
and I want to I want to actually put I'll
show you that video because you'll look at it and go,
holy cow, that's exactly the same thing right there.

Speaker 14 (03:32:16):
Yeah, I'd love to see that.

Speaker 2 (03:32:17):
You know.

Speaker 13 (03:32:18):
And so but here in I got off track. It's
I Once I saw that, then I was like, there's
lots of hunting hunting video, Okay, so here's another one
I was I remembered. I was watching a YouTube channel.
It's a guy and a girl and they go they're

(03:32:38):
over in Australia and they're literally it's called catch and
cook or whatever, and they live on a boat and
they go out for these ten days or twenty day
trips and live on an island or live on the
boat or you know, and they do survivals of different
things to keep people interested in everything really cool fun
And I'm heavily into fishing. I've done. I have my

(03:33:00):
pants and everything in the boat I can go camp
for and I could take off into the bush and
I'll be gone for a week and you won't. I'll
be fine. Drop me out of a plane, I'll be fine.
We're good. Okay. So, but I've watched I was heavily
into watching these survival shows, and these two are doing
it well. In one of the shows, they're walking down
the beach back to the boat and they hear whack

(03:33:22):
exactly like we hear in every one of these videos
of wood knocks. Yes, very similar, but very loud, okay,
And they both look at each other and they turn
around and they're He's like, what's that and she's like,
I don't know. And then you hear this scream like
we've like the whole Ohio howl scream where you know,

(03:33:44):
the loudest screams that we've heard that could be Bigfoot
or sasquatch. They hear that right after this whack. It
wasn't even a minute later. They get to the boat
and they hear this scream as they're pushing the boat
off into the water, and he looks at her and
they both do the sign and like looking at each other,
going what the heck was that? And it sounded what

(03:34:06):
did he say? He said, there there's no monkeys on
this island. He said that sounded like a gorilla like,
you know, but he said, there's no monkeys on this island.
And she's like, Oh, that's so weird. Anyway, let's get
out of here. So they get on the boat and
they take off. That's just a little blip in their
little fishing cooking catch. But there's all kinds I bet
of these little clips and sasquatch standing in the background

(03:34:30):
of these hunters videos and stuff when they're combing the
area and everything else that we're that we'll we'll never see.
This community will never be privy too, unless something happens
to the hunter that he could like what happened to
me where I then come and find you guys and say,
hello friends, I'm here. This is great. You know.

Speaker 7 (03:34:50):
Well, David, I hate, I hate to be the cop.
Somebody has to be the cop here. We're running really
long on time, so we got to kind of wrap
things up here pretty quick. But man, what a great
conver station. And David, I think the best part about
this for me is this has been cathartic for you.

Speaker 13 (03:35:06):
And I'm not gonna thank you. I'm shaking and and
just and that really made my day.

Speaker 7 (03:35:12):
They just have it made my day. I'm really glad
that you got this off your chest and I can
just tell you're feeling better about it.

Speaker 13 (03:35:22):
It's awesome. I to the community for that, Jeff. I
was sitting here thinking the same thing. In fact, actually
I wasn't thinking the same thing. I know I'm feeling
better because I got the opportunity I can talk to
if if you're going to tell someone what happened to you,
I get to talk to you guys. So you guys
have been doing this for I've since you guys have
been doing this for years and years. And Doug's got

(03:35:44):
shows on TVs and flat I see in every chat room,
and you got Carl's the best researcher out there. Like
who better to be able to tell it to. But
I'm not gonna lie. The thoughts been sitting here in
my head every once in a while going tomorrow, Am
I gonna wake up? Want to kill myself? Because I
just did. I just unleash.

Speaker 7 (03:36:01):
Uh No, you know you're in the right place. I'm
glad you're here. Just it was so cool to be
part of that and to speak to seem just I
can just tell you feel better.

Speaker 2 (03:36:08):
And so David, David, I'm going to get your number
and we can talk of camera for sure and uh flat,
we're gonna get you guys back. Let's go right into
some uh We'll leave you with a little wisdom here.
So just hang tight, guys.

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(03:36:52):
Good night, All right, guys.

Speaker 2 (03:37:02):
We will be back next week, same time, same channel.
Please leave us the thumbs up if you can't, leave
us a nice comment, and I'm sure that we're gonna
get all these guys back. We're gonna do a super show.
I'll arrange that. If you guys are willing to do it,

(03:37:23):
let's do it.

Speaker 13 (03:37:25):
You know in the morning when I tell you how
I but I tell you one thing, you will have
a little.

Speaker 2 (03:37:30):
Bit of a hangover from the relief.

Speaker 13 (03:37:32):
I hope, So I the bottom my heart. I also
want to thank every single person I've met UH in
the chat, because Doug, I've been in your chat, like
I said, since I came across one of the first
episodes and UH and in lots of the communities. This
community is unbelievable, and I truly believe well for me,

(03:37:54):
I got here at the right time because there's been
all kinds of crap that I've heard about and everything
else the you know, flesh and blood versus paranormal and
all and all arguing and infight. I think that's all
over all I witness is love in your community and
your chat, and I'd like to thank everyone in the
chat that's been supportive and helpful because it was very
hard for me to come talk to you guys tonight.

(03:38:17):
It took everything, and it took My wife was the one.

Speaker 2 (03:38:20):
That I was You're gonna be real shy, but you've
come out of your shell pretty good.

Speaker 13 (03:38:24):
When my wife said, listen, if you're going to go
on there, go on there.

Speaker 14 (03:38:28):
I wasn't expecting that. David, you have to talk about man,
I said, you said.

Speaker 13 (03:38:34):
You're going to go on there, go on there, and
don't leave it on the table. I got a little
pissed off because my brother watch him for you know,
he watched for I don't even know five minutes and
he was just hangs up, and.

Speaker 14 (03:38:45):
I came here to listen to Carl.

Speaker 13 (03:38:48):
Well, Carl, yeah, I mean, you.

Speaker 2 (03:38:49):
Know, like.

Speaker 13 (03:38:51):
He's a wine. Let's not forget William Robinson who was
in here, because yeah, is pretty amazing, amazing, and he
had so much insight. He's a doctor. You had so
much insight in your chats. And when you know, people
get out of the line with the facts, start to
get a little load there, he is just drag them
back into no, this is actual factual, right.

Speaker 7 (03:39:13):
So it was great to have you here, David.

Speaker 13 (03:39:17):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 17 (03:39:19):
Everybody call you up in the middle of the night, embothered,
bad dreams and feeling all day. You give me comfort,
say just give it some time body. End of that talk.
I'm feeling just fine. Days where we be long the

(03:39:44):
same ordinary.

Speaker 13 (03:39:46):
We can't go in and on.

Speaker 17 (03:39:52):
I pick you up and not fifteen our.

Speaker 4 (03:39:55):
Ford hit them down the road.

Speaker 17 (03:39:57):
Two week are for just you and the sun and
go way.

Speaker 1 (03:40:03):
Give the emacious gop all able head or room again.
Everybody has chancey w weve been.

Speaker 4 (03:40:11):
Know, we know may we can't go in at the
end of the world together forever swall and alway, if
ever you should be in town in upway. We never

(03:40:32):
can put faring alway all the time.

Speaker 1 (03:40:38):
It would be together every day, but I know it
never would be less straight and up away back go
to you again at the end of the world together

(03:41:11):
forever is well and our way, if ever.

Speaker 17 (03:41:15):
You should be endowed a compary.

Speaker 1 (03:41:18):
They never confuse a part.

Speaker 12 (03:41:21):
In Norway.

Speaker 1 (03:41:24):
At the end of the world together forever is won
in Norway, if ever you should be endowed in Hollways.

Speaker 4 (03:41:34):
They never confuse a party in all way. One a
time when.

Speaker 1 (03:41:41):
We be together, never retable.

Speaker 4 (03:41:44):
Handows the feathers would be Australia. They all go to
sup

Speaker 13 (03:42:02):
No
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