Untold Radio AM #255 Bigfoot and Shocking Evidence of Tool Use with Ray Harwood

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Shh, looking back on life that you leaving then rested
a hole in the crowd.

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Stick around through the.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Crane, the feeling go the fire. You're dancing around only
hearing the sound of treating, and no one cares where.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
He's coming from.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
My ears are still ringing and feeding.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I guess we are knew from the start. Days you're
one of.

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These days will be the world.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Look at friends?

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Who it SASTI.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Test my coasto.

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My cost.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
In the fuse of the ashes, the spirits that after
I have.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
Now Who're live from the Untold Radio Network. It's Untold
Radio Am with Monster Quest producer Hoast, Doug Hicheck and
co host Jeff Pirella Jr. Untold Radio An is going
live way down.

Speaker 6 (02:05):
This show is for entertainment purposes only.

Speaker 7 (02:09):
Yep, that's the ticket.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
Now here are your Untold Radio Am hosts Doug high
Check and Jeff Ferrella Jr.

Speaker 7 (02:19):
Hello everyone, I'm here, Doug. Here's Doug.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Barely. I was actually I had.

Speaker 7 (02:28):
To endure my giant head for a menu.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah. I never get to do it. But I actually
ate for the show.

Speaker 7 (02:34):
Oh I did too. I always do.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I never do ever. I always eat after like ten
o'clock or whatever.

Speaker 7 (02:40):
I often I often do both, but.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I'm worried that it was one that I have Chipotle
and it was really good. But you know that rice
can kind of make you go, make you sleepy, so
I kind of worry. Anyhow, it was a really hot
week for everybody I see, was it? Jennifer said, Yeah, Jennifer,

(03:06):
by the way, thank you for the super jet. The
nation said hello from burning hot Mississippi. I can only
imagine it's been. But today is right now, like like
right now, it just cooled off a little bit. But
we've had dracho's, we've had tornadoes, we've had storms every.

Speaker 7 (03:27):
Night, we've had rains.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, a lot of broken trees. Yeah, but we're here,
We're here, here, we are. We made it a great
guest tonight. Look again, Yeah it should be fun. But
I'm really thankful for those that invented air conditionering. Air
Conditioning is so nice. Yeah, for sure, I think my

(03:52):
I never take it for granted. Now let's go thank
you for doing that.

Speaker 7 (03:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Oh okay, what do we got? So we have Ray
Harwood tonight. He is a field archaeologist and anthropologist, and
we're gonna kind of focus on Bigfoot and tool use
tonight and he's yeah, and he's presented you a lot

(04:18):
of stuff I've heard. I've heard lots lots, lot of stuff,
like lots lots of So we've got that coming up.
Then we've got tech breakdown, we've got clips. Everything's working tonight, right, Jeff.

Speaker 7 (04:32):
Yeah, as of right now as well? Was this moment
right now everything is working?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Was that last week that everything went crazy?

Speaker 7 (04:41):
Yeah, we've had some yeah, less no, but.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Last week nothing, the notes didn't work, nothing, not even
the text came through to either of us. It was weird.
I don't know. I just I don't get it. We
did a test today it turned out and everything's great.
Back to our computers. Our computers are communicating again.

Speaker 7 (05:05):
Today.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
But if you can figure out what happened, I'd like
to know, because that was weird. Okay, And then I
do On a side note, I want to remind people
that there's a there's a fairly new show called Real
American Monsters with Chris Reinhardt I and Joe for Shell
and you're welcome to join too. Jeff. You're going to

(05:29):
be on Chris's show talking about Snell Grove Lake before
Monster Quest like the early days of Snell Grove, all
the early stories and whatnot. And that is on August fifth,
that's Tuesday night seven Yeah, seven pm Central on Real

(05:49):
American Monsters. And that'll be myself and Joseph for Schella.
So there you go. Oh, I do want to remind Yeah,
if you haven't done so, if you want to remind
yourself of that show or any show you gotta subscribe,
just hit the notification bell on that show. Because you
probably don't like all of them, but you might have

(06:11):
your favorites, or maybe you do like all of them,
then hit the notification bell on all of them. Yeah.
So okay, moving on and speaking of hot I ran
across this on the Internet and it was so weird
I had to share it. And that is in photo ie.

(06:32):
I sent you ye this thing and I saw this
and I went, yikes, exactly. And this is a suit
that you would wear when you were out bear hunting,
I presume grizzly bear hunting. And this was in Siberia,
so this is what Siberian bear hunters would wear. It

(06:56):
says this brutal looking suit was actually worn by Siberian
hunters in the eighteen hundreds. Made entirely of thick leather
covered in sharp metal spikes, and it was built to
protect the wear during bear hunts. I can only imagine
so if a bear lunged or attacked, it would injure
himself and the spikes giving you a chance to defend yourself.

(07:20):
Really that would work it. I mean you could use
you'd wear that the Walmart, Yeah, couldn't you?

Speaker 7 (07:29):
If it's sharkproof.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, there you go. Maybe it's the way to go
for instead of chain mail. They wore this, this spike suit.
I just it's like we live in a crazy world. Okay,
I know, not for that, Not for that, Yes, I'd say,
so let's do just a little bit of news and
then we'll get into I think marketplace stuff, get some

(07:55):
really weird stuff and then clips and then we'll bring
where you on.

Speaker 6 (07:59):
Ready we go, untold radio news that can be a
bit weird. Is right now.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
By the way. Before we dive in, I want to
say hi to a few people, especially obviously our moderator
moderators like Loretta Collins. We have Mary, Joe Shermer who's
a member. We have to hi. Jeff Harding. Jeff, we're
gonna bring your show back, Jeff Kenny Hess and then

(08:34):
Jennifer and Kim Kinkaid and Mary, Joe Shermer and and
John Airs of course as a moderator. Carl supp is here.
We love Carl. We've got Tennessee Kentucky Bigfoot and they're
a moderator. We've got well, Brendan b is in. We've

(08:57):
got Mary and Bott. I don't know, I'm messing here Allan,
uh Goodlier, good Lure, good Lure. I think.

Speaker 7 (09:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
We got flat Rockland. He was always awesome. He's a moderator.
And oh and because our shows maybe a little controversial,
there's a little controversy tonight, moderators, be on your toes.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
Yeah, man, we got the best audience. I just I
love you people so much. You just make this ton Yeah,
thank you for being fans. I really appreciate.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, we do all and uh uh Lee came in
and we have very X in the audience. Hello, ver X.
I had a conversation with verr X the other day
and it lasted three hours.

Speaker 7 (09:50):
Oh wow, wow, I think three hours something like that
was a lot. That was that was a show man.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, well we're going to get him back for part two.
There's certainly more to his story, and there's more stuff
going on, but it'd be nice just to have him
on and kind of dig in a little bit. Sorry,
back to the news. I get distracted easy, all right.
So first thing is, watch out for hordes. I love it.

(10:19):
Hordes of tarantulas coming soon to these states. And of
course they're talking about California, Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico, Texas
and more so. Apparently tens of thousands of tarantulas will
be crawling out of their burrows in search of females.

(10:41):
I didn't know they did that. I didn't know they
had herd mentality, did you.

Speaker 7 (10:46):
Yeah, when I when I lived out in Colorado, I
really had one of these hordes, and so yeah, it
was all over the news, and I learned a little
bit about him. Have you ever seen a tranchla out
in the wild. It's kind of insane. Oh hell no, Yeah,
I had one called up on my feet standing there.
They're not particularly dangerous if you leave home. They're just
it's unsettling. It's a big spider if you're not used

(11:08):
to big spiders.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, well, I just I thought it was fascinating because, uh,
you know, I don't really know that much about trangiles.
I know some people have them as pets. I heard
they're very intelligent spiders.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, But basically it talks about these hordes. And then
I was reading comments of people saying that, you know,
there's at times traffic stops because I'll have ten thousand
trantulas all across in the road.

Speaker 7 (11:38):
I never saw that, but I heard of it. Yeah,
just they'll just completely the rivers of the movement.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
So here's the question, is it because of one female
across the across the road? I hope no, I hope,
I hope not. And then of course I got a
little interested in tarantulas, and you know, I just really
didn't know that much about them. I didn't know. I
didn't know they could throw their hair like like a barb,

(12:06):
like an arrow at you. I didn't know that. I
didn't know they went and hurts. I didn't know, well,
I knew, I guess I knew their bite wasn't extremely poisonous.
And I did a show on like Tarantula's It's called
The Giant Spider Show on Monster Quest. It was kind

(12:26):
of an interesting show, but it's me it's been what
fifteen twenty years. I don't remember much about it.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
Yeah, you did a lot of how many episodes? You
did a lot of episodes.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well, we did four seasons, and then two of those
seasons were double double seasons.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
It's a lot of content.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
So it's basically six seasons of work.

Speaker 7 (12:48):
Yeah, that's a lot of content.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
That was Yeah. I did not know that they were
in Washington State.

Speaker 7 (12:56):
Oh, I didn't know that. I thought they were all Southwest.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah, they're in Florida too. I didn't know that Nevada,
Colorado like you said Oregon. I didn't know Transella has
lived in Orgon.

Speaker 7 (13:10):
Either. I thought they like dry climates. But they're not
aggressive as long as you leave them alone, they're not aggressive.
They're just leave them alone.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yes, I said, the male and female tranchila is living
very different different lives. Females stay near their burrows, hunting, feeding, growing,
and they can live up to twenty to twenty five years.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
I didn't know that either. That's a long life for
a spider. And then depending on when they molt, if
a male mate's with a female, he usually dies and
she usually eats him.

Speaker 7 (13:49):
I didn't know that pretty common, actually, atos, well, it
is not unusual.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
It is up in Oka, Jeff, Yeah, yeah, took a while. Yeah,
all right enough. Oh, I was gonna mention that transelas
are eating by Fox's coyotes, snakes, owls, and skunks. That
was kind of go all right now, This next one

(14:17):
is more newsy. Father fights off a mountain lion to
save a four year old in Olympic National Park. It says,
a peaceful family outing at Washington's Olympic National Park, which
I've been to numerous times, turned into a nightmare when
a mountain lion attacked a four year old child. Every

(14:40):
apparent's name right there, leading to a dramatic rescue by
the child's father that witnessed that witnesses are calling heroic.
The attack occurred Sunday afternoon around three fifteen pm on
Hurricane Ridge Trail, Okay. Apparently it's a popular hiking destination

(15:01):
known for its expansive mountain views. So apparently this thing
hit a radio collar on it, not it not a
domestic caller, but a radio collar on it, and it
came up and just bit the four year old. Wow,
which is scary, and the father, the child's father immediately

(15:26):
spring to action physically intervene to get his child away
from the dangerous predator. Witnesses that the scene praise the
father's quick thinking and brave response, and I agree. I
agree that. I mean, I think any parent would do it.
But still you think about the courage. Yeah, all right. Next,

(15:48):
scientists are stunned after an encountering a species thought to
be extinct for over twenty years. And you will never
guess what it is. You see the picture of the water.
It's a piece of coral. It's coral, which is an animal.
Some people don't realize coral is a regular animal, right.

(16:10):
It's a creature and it's made up of a lot
of these creatures that get together and they can colonize.

Speaker 7 (16:16):
It's the colony the animals.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, colony of creatures. Okay. It says a coral species
that was not to have been extinct since two thousand
has been rediscovered by researchers. It says in nineteen seventy five,
divers discovered a rare species of black stony coral and
the Galopagos, and apparently after Al Ninia weather events significantly

(16:42):
warm the waters, the species disappeared. The species is called
you wanna pronounce that Rizo Semion or something like that,
something like that. Yeah, yeah, Rhizo, Samia Welling, Tony well
and Tony practical vanished. That must be named after the
guy who discovered it. Excuse me, Hey, I just kind

(17:08):
of need to you know, No, I have not.

Speaker 7 (17:13):
I'd love to see it.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
My daughter wanted to go on a on a field
trip there and I talked to her. I talked her
out of it. She was a little young. It's like,
that's a long journey for I think she was like
nine years old. It's like, yeah, wait, you can go
later in life.

Speaker 7 (17:28):
You'll enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, I would. I would, although it's been so commercialized.
You know, it's, you know, stay on the trail type thing. Yeah,
so that that would be kind of a bummroom. But anyhow,
then there is a plane bigger than a seven forty
seven that can fly for months currently probably right now

(17:55):
flying over your head, Jeff, could be Oh, by the way,
the thing we didn't mention. I can literally see smoke
and haze in my studio. We are under an extreme
smoke watch where it is as thick as it can
be and it's been killing my eyes. Yeah, you know too,

(18:18):
irritating my eyes and my throat all day, Like I
feel like I have a sore throat from the smoke. God,
please people put the damn fire out, it, says Skydweller Arrow. Yeah,
I got it. Skydweller isn't designed with human passengers in mind. Instead,

(18:42):
Skydweller Arrow sees its aircraft primarily as a surveillance machine,
circling the sky and providing much needed eyes over conflict
zones and other areas of interest. And apparently it's powered
by the sun. It's got fourteen hundred pounds of batteries,

(19:03):
and it can fly for months, and it hangs out
at twenty five to thirty five thousand feet And if
you believe any of that, probably you could buy some
swamp land from me, because you know, come on, don't
they always released his stuff after they've had it for
twenty years?

Speaker 7 (19:20):
Oh gosh, yeah yeah, yeah, I mean we find we
find about technology twenty years after the milk.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, this is probably thirty years old. Yeah, you know
it's in the news today though. Yeah A good point, Yeah,
so onyhow but it's it's it's interesting, all right. Then.
Cicicadias are taking over an amusement park say visitors are
advised to keep their mouth shut because it's so bad.

(19:45):
Close your mouth and get ready for and get ready
for a roller coaster ride with thousands of bugs. Ciccadias
take I have taken over an amusement park in Ohio
called King's Island. Visitors to King's Eye Island Amusement Park
near Cincinnati have captured videos of Circati's ciccatia is blanketing

(20:07):
the park. Uh. Some are sharing TikTok videos and families
delicately sidestepping the crunchy carpet. All right, there you go.
So if you want to see a lot of these
things and you're willing to keep your shirt, pants, armpits
and more closed, and that's the place to go right now. Yeah.

(20:28):
They're noisy too, they're loud. Yeah, all right, that's that's
all I've got. That's enough of that news craft. We're good.

Speaker 7 (20:38):
Let's move on, moving on.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
I see Rayson in the back room yet.

Speaker 7 (20:46):
No, I told him between seven thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
All right, I was worried that the time zone that
you know, they just coordinated. I just worry the show
was going to smooth.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Job.

Speaker 7 (21:02):
Don't say anything, just worry that's all.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
All right, let's do some market let's do some fun
marketplace picks.

Speaker 7 (21:09):
Alrighty weird, it's.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Now time for untold radios, odd, strange, weird and zany
marketplace deals.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Please don't let these gems slip away. By the way,
Lee mentioned, what do you do when the sun goes
down with that plane? Well, they have batteries. That's what
the battery is.

Speaker 7 (21:37):
Batteries.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, store the sunshine. I would imagine they're making more
power than they're using. They have to where they couldn't
stand here.

Speaker 7 (21:47):
And there are above I mean there's no cargo. I
mean it's just got some technology and some batteries and
they're not carrying anything.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
So yeah, efficient, they're above the clouds all the time,
so they're getting full solar energy.

Speaker 7 (21:59):
All right.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
First off, and by the way, please audience get involved.
You can guess the price would be fun And at
some point I'm going to call out one of these
items and the first person to gets the exact price,
they'll get something free in the mail.

Speaker 7 (22:18):
It's not a contest, not a contest. Not a contest,
that's what it's called.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Not a contest.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
It's not a contest, contest, No it's nothing.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
It's just something you get something free of the mail.
That's all simple, all right. First, yeah, first up an
alligator table, something I know you've always wanted, Jeff as
an alligator table, and this was listed three days ago.

(22:49):
It says it's has been carved depicting an alligator slowly
swimming through the swamps of the Florida Everglades, but as
northern Wisconsin. So it's a local artist that made it.
Anybody want to guess what this bad boy? Guys. It's
not really a good picture of it. There were some

(23:09):
other ones that I chose the wrong one. It's actually
pretty cool. It'd be cool if it was widers. You'd
have room for plates. Right, it looks like it's well done,
all right, So let's see who do we got here.
They've got Kenny A two fifty Tennessee Kentucky Bigfoot at
seven fifty uh, Marion Boughts at four nine, seven fifty

(23:35):
for Mary, Joe Russell says one ninety nine, Jennifer five hundred,
Loretto says three hundred.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
And then we have uh, the closest closest one so far.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, yeah, John, you won't you want nothing but you
but you're clothes. It's twelve hundred bucks. Yeah, twelve bucks, yep,
I suppose. Yeah, it would take quite a while. The
car that by hand when lot of work.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
It looks like it looks like it's well done.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah it is. You can see an eagle in the
back of that picture. See it's what he does.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
Yeah, I bet you used a chance on some of
it's impressive stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
All right. The next one's really kind of shocking. It
is the Crazy Cat Lady action figure.

Speaker 7 (24:27):
I think I know her.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, this was listed four days ago in uh yeah,
out of Minnesota, and apparently you can go you can
you can pick it up at the door. It says, uh,
this is the Accruitment's Crazy Cat Lady action figure, A

(24:49):
novel the item featuring figure with a cat on her
shoulder and six additional cat figures. So there you go.
What is the price? Oh, we've got guesses. Brendan says
thirty flat, Rockland says thirty four, ninety nine. What's the
ninety nine? I love it's the ninety nine. Sense Jennifers

(25:16):
seventy five, Marion twenty nine, and Lee sixty seven.

Speaker 7 (25:22):
Russell spot On.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Oh there you go gets good. He cheated. He was
at cheating Russell. If you cheata, just just put yes
in the next comment. Or if you're just lucky, that's cool,
that's cool. It's okay to cheat. I mean, flat says
it's after tax. Yeah, and he has twelve bucks the

(25:47):
bargain for the crazy cat Lady. What a conversation piece
that would be all right. The next item is a
nineteen ninety four Harley Davison, but it's kind of different.
Oh I didn't, did I? I didn't send you the
side shot, did I? It's a dragon. The whole front

(26:10):
is a dragon. I should have done that, dummy me.
But it's it's a lot. I mean, it's quite nicely done.
The guys won a lot of awards, but it's basically
a dragon Harley. But it's nineteen ninety four. It's got
twenty five hundred miles on it. How much people? Oh much?

(26:34):
So squatching Hollies, you moved two bucks. But I don't
think he's talking about the motorcycle. I reg first ones.
Marie ten Ken Grand Black Sheep just says nice can
he has the sixty five hundred Brendan B twenty five thousand,
John Heyres sixty five thousand, Jennifers seventy five hundred, Squatch

(26:58):
and Holler, it's got Roger Is at seventy five thousand,
Black Sheep at sixty. You get some pretty high for
Frine eleven fifty. Uh see who's closest, Mary Joe?

Speaker 2 (27:13):
There?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, here we go, Gina Productions fifty four. Yeah, but
you know, it's kind of an arbitrary number. It's a
hard one to guess. Yeah, but actually it's beautiful. But
I personally wouldn't want to drive it drag.

Speaker 7 (27:26):
I don't know if yeah, what would you do something
like that?

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Parades maybe, I don't know. Bike shows You definitely get
a lot of attention at a bike show. The guy
must be a fiberglass artist, because I mean that the
work on it is crazy cool. Yeah, all right, and
Mary Joe, you can buy this now. You can go
online find this and buy it for two thousand less

(27:49):
than you think it's worth. So there you go. Oh,
it says it won Daytona and Bike Week in Germany.
It's also in the Harley Davison Coffee table book. So
there you go.

Speaker 7 (28:06):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
The next one's uh, really strangely strange. It is a
mask of Reverend Jesse Jackson, and I don't think it's
a very good likeness of him. But I'd like to
see you, guys, guess what this thing is worth. This
has been listed for over a year. Small kind of

(28:31):
a small market. Maybe it's a vintage Latex. It says,
vintage Latex mask, high quality of Reverend Jesse Jackson. So
here we got stuff coming in? Uh Leah twenty three.
Loretta just says creepy. I think so too, Joe, it's

(29:00):
Kenny twenty bucks. Mike Brian says it looks more like
Snoop Russell Johnson twenty five. Nobody's gone it yet, Flat says, yeah,
Latex mass do not last long. That might be a
little crunchy. The Indescribable Octo Man got the closest. It's

(29:27):
pretty close seventy five. It's eighty bucks, and he's obviously
holding to his price.

Speaker 7 (29:35):
Man, it's been listened for a year. At some point,
you probably want to check your price.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yell, you might, right, you can list something like that
for a dollar. I mean not so, I mean you
know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (29:49):
Yeah, I just don't know what you would do with that.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
What's the market for old Latex unless it had it
was worn in a move the year or something like
that and had you know, star power. All right, the
next one is really different. I was kind of looking
at it, kind of admiring and kind of going, well,
I get it. This is a listed as a survival bike.

(30:15):
The condition is used fair survival bike. It's a one
twenty five cc but it says it needs work. It
says not perfect by any means, but runs but has
no front brakes. Uh, rear brakes are not great either.

Speaker 7 (30:31):
That's great. No front breaks. Rear brakes not great either.
That's it.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
It needs a new seat. Yes, yes, you might survive
on this bike.

Speaker 7 (30:39):
You might make it.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
You might might not like that, but it's kind of
It looks well done, except the tank looks a little
small for a survival bike. I'd want a really big tank.

Speaker 7 (30:54):
It looks it's going to not need a lot of gas,
but it's still it's a pretty dinky little So.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
What do you think it was made on it? Jeff Boy,
almost looks like a CT seventy engine at at seven.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
Yeah, it's probably it's hot. It's probably a Honda clone engine,
probably like a like a Lifean clone of an engine.
The wheels are just cod together out of all kinds
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Who knows. Anyhow, anybody want to guess this? So we
got prices coming in. Let's see here, John, here is
a mountain bike twenty five hundred, Ryan one hundred and
Kenny says, that's a pretty good, pretty good guess right
there from Genuss one hundred.

Speaker 7 (31:40):
That's a pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Oh there we go. Is that the guests of the
night on that right now?

Speaker 2 (31:48):
So far?

Speaker 7 (31:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, dookie pickles, right, doukie, you can you can, you
can buy this bike, but you're gonna want to definitely
put front and rear brakes on it, all right, Next,
none of that crap. Next we have an odd one. Yeah,

(32:12):
this is a wall wall mountain t Rex that's fifteen
inches neck to head, sixteen inches wall, the nose eight
inches wide, and it looks pretty cool. It'd be greatful.
I guess the kid's room.

Speaker 7 (32:31):
Right, want to wake up to the kid wants to
wake up in the middle of night to that, suir?

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Well, you know I'm talking about like some nerdy kid
into dinosaurs. Its yeah, I would have been a looking
in your room. Anyhow, anybody want to guess on this we.

Speaker 7 (32:45):
Got a really good guess. Kenny is pretty darn close.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Kenny is, oh yeah, seventy five bucks. Only five bucks, Kenny,
I thought it was actually worth more than what they
were asking.

Speaker 7 (33:00):
Well, it's pretty small, it's not very big.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
And the person who is most off, we love you,
the indestructible octo man. What's the most off?

Speaker 7 (33:12):
All right? Last one?

Speaker 3 (33:13):
But I think it's worth about what he thought it
was worth or she no, he I thought it was
worth about two hundred bucks. You never know, all right. Next,
and by the way, this one is the one that
you got to get the closest and you'll get some
free stuff, something.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
In the mail.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Free. You got to get the right answer on this one,
all right, says Give a friend a half a million
bucks of shredded money and enjoy the conversation it will bring.
It's half a million bucks in that jar. What are
they asking for it? So that's the question. I am

(33:56):
waiting for guesses to come on, and you only get
one guess. So Lisa's one hundred and three.

Speaker 7 (34:03):
We got a close one. I don't want to give
any hands away. You guessing.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Russell's at fifty bucks, Marion's at a thousand, Lorendo's at seventy,
Brendan's at sixty five, Tennessee, Kentucky, Big votes at five hundred,
squatching allers at twenty four ninety nine? What's what the

(34:36):
ninety nine? Since fifty flat goes fifteen is bugging me?
He goes fifty nine ninety nine. Now, all right, everybody,
everybody's got to put ninety nine at the end. All right,
who is it? We're gonna call it in a little
bit of second here, we give it one more, one
more ten seconds. Yes, come on, come on, come on.

(35:00):
I knew this would be a good one because it's
really hard to find. Yeah, you can cheat.

Speaker 7 (35:08):
Well, should we call it here? It looks like the
closest is who is Dookie Pickles? Again? One fifty five?

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Twenty bucks off?

Speaker 7 (35:17):
Twenty bucks off?

Speaker 3 (35:18):
It's one thirty five, So Dookie email me. Jeff is
about to find out your real name if.

Speaker 7 (35:26):
You find my uhm typing in my email in the
chat here Jeff Radio AM dot.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Com, and we will not reveal your identity.

Speaker 7 (35:36):
Yeah so, but just yeah, I would it's I keep
that private, but just need your your name and mailing address.
Please mail that email that to me. You'll get something
ouse to you.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, and you could be another fake name, right.

Speaker 7 (35:47):
Yeah, you could just say address right, well, the.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Address is right. You can just say dookie pickles. So
where's butt worm? I haven't seen butt worm in a while.
Uh remember butt worm?

Speaker 7 (36:06):
It's uh can you read in the chat there? It's
Jeff P j E f FP at Untold Radio AM
dot com. Y if you scroll up, I typed into
the chat there. All right, good job, good enough of that.
Good guess good, good guess.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Y yet Yeah, yeah, you might want to bug Ray
because we're about out a we're getting on a pre
show soon. We want a text Ray.

Speaker 7 (36:37):
I am texting him right now, and we're going to.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Do tech breakdown. Then we'll do. We've got ten quick
clips I think are really cool, and we've got a
very cool tech breakdown. I think you will like. I think.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
Okay, here we go right already again. Here's here's that.
Here's my email here I just put up on the screen. Here,
Jeff Radio A M dot com.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Are right ran in the green room. All right, let's
do let's do this tech breakdown. Jeff. All right, this
is all about staying cool during the dog days of
summer and improving your just you know, basically improving your

(37:42):
camping experience. This has been around, These things have been
around a long time, but I don't think many people
really get it or understand it. This is an inflatable
tent with a built in pump. You just pump it up,
and no steaks. Well you can have steaks, but no,

(38:03):
what do you call them? Ten poles?

Speaker 7 (38:07):
No tentpoles, tent poles.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah, they're built into the tent. And I just think
it's really really cool and they're not that expensive. One
would think, well, that's kind of you know, that kind
of steaks is going to be a million bucks, but
these things actually only take a few short minutes to flight.
They come with all the pins the ropes to secure it.

(38:32):
You have a lot of room inside if your luggage,
your ice chest, garbage cans, all that stuff. And it
comes with a Queen air mattress, so you can go
two different directions with a Queen mattress and you don't
have any ten poles, so the tent becomes more roomy inside.
Right comes with its own carrying case. If everybody wants

(38:55):
to guess what one of these bad boys cost, it's
only three ninety nine, three hundred and ninety eight bucks,
and you got it. There's a sixty dollars coupon on Amazons.
So and this also has a skylight. I mean it's
got a lot of cool features.

Speaker 7 (39:12):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, And I've known people. I've known people that have
had them, and they love them because they don't have
to think. It's lay it out and pump it out.
I just poosh, you know. And oh, this one doesn't
have a built in pump. Other ones actually have a
built in foot pump. You just kind of pump it
with your foot and you're not really inflating the whole tent.
You're just inflating these tubes that hold it up. And

(39:37):
sometimes they put air chambers in the roof to make
the roof a little stiffer so in rain you don't
get the sag. So it's actually a very practical thing,
is you know, for driving camping. Obviously not good for
backpacking too have y, But for driving camping, if that's
what your your deal is usually and that's what most

(39:59):
people do, these are absolutely perfect. Here's another example that
Jeff can put up. Uh, and there's a little smaller version,
but This is also an inflamable dent. You can see
the see the silver in the back kind of that
silver tube. M that's like sewn in, but that's what

(40:19):
holds the tent up.

Speaker 7 (40:22):
It's clever, clever idea that's very.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Clever, and you just push a button to flights and
you can go home all right the next to help
you through the dog day of summer. Dog days of summer.
If you're gonna go camping, get I use. This is
the one I use. It's a battery powered fan, works excellent.
I even took it to sell Grove twice. It will

(40:45):
run damn near all week on low without the light on.
But it's got a built in a light. You've got
a USB charger to charge your phone, but the fan
to have a fan when you're normally you know, sweating
and get get a nice hot human night and you're
dying inside a tent. It's now airflow. This really gets

(41:06):
you through the night and you sleep much better. They're
not that expensive. This one I believe that I own
is fifty bucks. Yeah, yep, you can wait and you
can get a coupons here and there. You know, I
think I only pain.

Speaker 7 (41:27):
And a cheap solar panels. Solar panels are dropping in
price too.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (41:30):
Absolutely, solar panel absolutely get multiple days out of it.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yeah. And actually to get people thinking about fans and
solar there is a smaller I just bought one. Uh
it's more of a handheld and it's got a little
fan on it. It's only nine dollars for rechargeable solar
lantern with a little fan. It's like, oh, probably three

(41:57):
and a half inches this fan. This fan puts out
a lot of a lot of wind.

Speaker 7 (42:04):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
And then the next thing was to suggest this very
very well made bullet proof retractable portable clothesline with these
metal clips for nine bucks. Super handy for hanging stuff.
So many people don't bring a clothesline with rope and
then of course the wind blows everything away. With these

(42:28):
clips are bullets not on. They really are strong and
you can, you know, put those between two trees and
not lose your clothing. It'll dry nice.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (42:38):
It packs down nice and small. That's pretty cool. Good idea,
super cool.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
That's it. That's the tech breakdown is just trying to
make you more comfortable when you go camping, and if
you're in the market for a tent and you do
drive in camping. Blow up tents is maybe the way
to go.

Speaker 7 (42:54):
Yeah, well, yeah, so we got next.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Let's do our clips, and we're gonna bring Ray on.
We got ray safely in the green room.

Speaker 7 (43:05):
Yep, looks like he's ready to go. All right, let's
do some clips.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Oh right, you have clip one. Sound is good. This
is a little look into the near future where drones
we'll have wheels. And this is a test at one

(43:35):
of the colleges, and I'm hoping, Jeff, they add like
RC rock crawler wheels so you can land your drone
and keep going right crawl over the land. Go ahead
and show this.

Speaker 7 (43:47):
I apologize for the small video that one didn't want
to upload. Very good, pretty neat though.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Yeah, there is a sound in this one.

Speaker 7 (43:56):
Is it not playing?

Speaker 3 (43:58):
No, we can't hear any of your sound.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
You know what?

Speaker 7 (44:01):
I uh, I think I have some issues here. I
might need to read I might need to restart my browser.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Oh okay, well, we're not worry because none of the
clips needs sound. All right, let me uh all right
the clip too. Clip two certainly don't need sound on this.
Have you ever heard of a mouse deer? People a
mouse deer. This is a real animal, very very delicate

(44:31):
Southeast Asia, and it's called the mouse dear. Isn't that acutie?

Speaker 7 (44:37):
Yeah? Delicate those legs.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's a real animal. Look it up. It's
not Ai. I've known about these things for many years.
I just think, uh, they're just like they can't be real.
They're just so delicate. Yeah, all right, clip three sound

(45:02):
as good, But Jeff don't care because the name any sound.
Just let it play and I kind of narrate this.
So this guy has spent the last twenty one years,
Jeff carving these balls of wood buildings. He claims to
almost have carved almost a million of them accurately to

(45:23):
the entire New York Map, New York City Map, every
building he's worked on this twenty one years. Wow, So
maybe he can just fast forward and I don't know
if I think he points out some other areas he's
got I think two hundred and fifty or three hundred

(45:44):
and fifty of these panels and he's now just starting
to connect them.

Speaker 7 (45:49):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Yeah, it's all accurate, all scale, and all accurate.

Speaker 7 (45:55):
Well over twenty one years ago. And I'm mure it's changed,
so it's not even anymore.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
That could be Well, then he just takes the wirecutters
and goes up. Yeahlue, but isn't that crazy.

Speaker 7 (46:06):
That's incredible.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Imagine the dedication to do this. So when you think, man,
I got a bunch of projects I gotta do tomorrow,
think about this. This will give you a new perspective.
He's showing just a tiny bit of it. Yeah, just
a tiny bit of it. But I'm absolutely impressed. He
definitely wins the I don't know, is that an Artist

(46:29):
of the Year in my book or most dedicated uh,
creator of something in my book?

Speaker 7 (46:37):
That's definitely a passion project.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
She mentioned he's carved almost a million buildings on a
balsa Wow. Yeah, all right, next, all right, Uh, you
don't see a lot of two wheel robots, but this
technology is getting more and more perfected. And it's actually
two wheels are very very I mean it is less

(47:00):
energy to have wheels, Yeah, to have wheels versus like
a robot that's patrolling on foot that chooses much less energy.
And watch this, did you back that up and play
that again? Watch this thing do a jump. This is

(47:24):
where it's really crazy. That thing was coming after you
and looking for you. You never getting away. Yeah, I
can leap. Isn't that amazing?

Speaker 7 (47:37):
That's really cool it is.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
And this is from the Robotics AI AI Institute. So
the world is about to change people. I don't I
don't think people really understand what we're about. What's about
to happen in the next just year or two, the
whole Literally, you're gonna start seeing robots at your front

(48:01):
door delivery packages. You're gonna see robotic cars, driverless cars everywhere, taxis,
You're just gonna see weird robot dogs walking around. The
police departments are going to be buying, buy, and buying
all this stuff. It's it's gonna seem like the future finally.
Remember when we were kids, Jeff, we always thought the future,

(48:23):
you know, the flying cars and the robot It never came.

Speaker 7 (48:27):
Kid, long time before I was though. I had to
rub that in.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Yeah I know, yeah, you couldn't really be my kid,
but you know what I mean, You remember you were
still in it. Oh yeah, we all thought the future
was going to be real a little more futuristic, and
it never came. But now the future is going to
come so fast, it's going to scare the living here
kind of everything I read.

Speaker 7 (48:54):
I read a lot of sci fi books that were
in the sixties and seventies that predicted by the nineties,
we're going to be the Jetsons, and it.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Never came, never came. Yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Even public buses aren't gonna have drivers. You know, the
workforce is gonna change. It's gonna be crazy, all right,
So this clip, it will work, but you can just
read it. So apparently, China officially launches humanoid robots for
about sixteen thousand bucks and they are selling already like crazy.

(49:31):
And this is just video. I know you guys have
all seen lots of videos, but you can actually buy
this now sixteen thousand bucks. There you go. Jeff wants
one tomorrow. You know what, I.

Speaker 7 (49:49):
Kind of don't. This stuff kind of scares me a
little bit. I don't.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
It is scary. It's creepy and scary. I agree.

Speaker 7 (49:57):
It's so easy to get dependent on that kind of stuff.
I'm kind of been, I'm kind of getting my in
my kind of getting to be anti technology. It's getting scary, all.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Right, all right. The next clip that was a nice knockout. Yeah,
oh yeah, oh I'm sure they'll have boxing on TV
against robots and you can just imagine. I'm just going
to tell you people, in the next two years, life
is going to get really, really weird for all of us. Yeah,

(50:29):
the future is finally going to be here. And I'm
not saying it's good, it just is. All right. So
the next thing is an elephant in a zoo does
an amazing thing here and saves a fellow zoommate from
the water and you can clearly see it's trying to

(50:50):
save I don't know even what it is, some kind
of antelope.

Speaker 7 (50:57):
That's crazy. Elephants are amazing animals.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah, very cool, all right. Next, Oh, I wish your
sound where well, you can try try this sound on this.
It's a European grouse and these things make the worst sounds.
It's not like a dang there, like a bigfoot coming
at you. They're very aggressive. It's a northern European grouse

(51:23):
and they're very aggressive. It's called the caper Kelli, also
known as the cock of the wood.

Speaker 7 (51:32):
So no sound, try it, Jeff, come on, Yeah, I'm
not getting anything. I can I can actually hear the
found on my computer. It's not going through the browser.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
You need to get with Alex to get that ironed out.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
I agress with it more today too. I'm not sure
what's going on.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
You need to get it figured out. You need to
get it figured out, Jeff or or I can play
them from my computer.

Speaker 7 (51:57):
I'll figure it out. I actually had an idea about
five minutes before went. I had an idea.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
All right, clip clip eight. By the way, this sound
doesn't matter because this is a slipper lobster and they
don't make any sound. Look how weird this thing is
almost looks like a face on its back. Probably the
word out predators. It's called a slipper lobster.

Speaker 7 (52:24):
That would startle me if I saw that.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
It's like a mask.

Speaker 7 (52:29):
Yeah, looks like a mask.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
All right, This one is crazy. This bull is really horny. Uh,
super horny bull. I've never seen anything like this. It's
just insane. Again, even all that said straight, Yeah, getting
all that said straight. It's called an Amazon long too,

(52:55):
sie Amazon lung two. See bowl, it's got to be
a world record. Oh my goodness, look at that poor
college and say, I'm out of here. Yeah, coach, just
like I'm out of here, all right? Clip ten. Last
no sound. No, I found this interesting. You might want

(53:16):
to play this couple of times. This is exactly the
same phenomena that we had in my backyard. And we
got to see these up close, you know, thirty feet
twenty feet away. Wow, And we did get some footage,
or she did, but my phone burned out filming these things.

Speaker 7 (53:36):
Yeah you had closed yeah, oh yeah, we had all of.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Our HD and my outlets burnout on every TV, all
the level dish and the home burned out. And you
could say, well, that's just a coincidence. I doubt it.
I mean even in my boat the controller burned out,
so it had a great effect on lecture.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Good.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Can you play that again? So what they do is, yeah,
they sparkle, they turned white, then they turned black, then
they disappeared and they kind of shimmer, and there was
a big like we had a huge swarm of them.
I have no idea how many we had in our yard,
but they were all over the rough, the yard, the trees,
they were everywhere, And at first, at first glance, I

(54:19):
think it's all it's a flock of birds, because they
act kind of like birds and the way they move,
but they're not birds. I can guarantee you. So there
you go. I can't even I think you have to
have a big computer to see him even. That's all
I've got. Okay, Whereas they said, enough of that crap.

Speaker 7 (54:43):
Enough of that crap.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
All right, we're gonna put We're gonna put Ray Harwood
on alert. Now. Say he's sort of ready, he's got
his head cut off. I'm looking at him in the
back room and it's like, there, y, I can't even
see his head. Top of your heads cut off, Ray,
till your till your camera town. All right, So let

(55:09):
me introduce Ray. He's really a cool guy, super cool guy.
We spent a lot of time on the phone today.
So Ray Harwood. He's an American author from northwestern United States,
and when he's not working, Race spends the majority of
his time hiking, kayaking, fishing, hunting, and collecting rocks and

(55:33):
flint napping. I have no idea what flint napping is,
but I'm sure he's going to tell us and conducting
experiments in research projects, he says. Ray Harwood attended California
State University of north Ridge and graduated in nineteen eighty
four with a degree in anthropology and archaeology, race studied

(55:58):
under the world renowned whatever. This is the lithic expert
Professor Clay Singer. Okay, but what's unique about Ray is
Ray has published a lot of books on the Bigfoot mystery.
Obviously he's interested in it. They're all up Photo twelve

(56:20):
there is. This is just one example of his many books.
He also publishes of kind of a magazine he puts
out on occasion, which is called todd I Forgot. It's
called Bigfoot Quest. How did I forget? The Quest? Not
Monster Quest? Bigfoot Quest magazine he can throw, Yeah, yep,

(56:44):
there it is. You can throw a couple of his covers.
But tonight we're going to focus on the one book
called I'm Gonna Throw the Back up The tool Maker
Sasquatch the Toolmaker, and he has presented Jeff with a

(57:05):
whole lot of things I have not seen. Probably be
a little controversy tonight, but this is what he has
found in the field. He's the real deal. He's out
in the field and from his perspective, that's what we're
going to talk about. From Ray's perspective. So with that,

(57:26):
let's welcome Ray Harwood.

Speaker 7 (57:45):
All right, Before I bring Ray on just an f
I'm gonna I'm gonna reboot here. I'll bring Ray on first,
so sure, welcome Ray, and then I'm gonna step out
for his second here and reboot everything. All right, Ray,
how you doing great?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (57:59):
How are you? We just it seems like we just
talked like ten minutes ago. It does, all right.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I thought you'd have one of those robots all clothed
out as a bigfoot and have a big foot walking
around your house. Oh no, brakfast and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
It's coming, It's coming. I'm not sure. I'm not sure
I'm ready for the future. But I've been waiting for
the future since I was a kid, you know, and
you can appreciate it, but it never came. It's here now,
all right. So let's start Ray with Obviously, you know

(58:36):
you've lived you've lived out in the West. You live
currently in Idaho as I know, right, and you go
to Montana a lot and do research. Do you want
to tell us about maybe your experience in what you
saw on one of your research trips.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Sure, let's se well, I haven't been out for a
couple of weeks. I had a family issue that we
had to resolve and I had this enormous tree in
my yard that had to be cut down. It was

(59:20):
starting to lean and it was going to smash my
neighbor's house pieces. So I had to get I had
to took me quite a while to find someone that
was brave enough to climb up and cut it down,
but it was it was a spectacular looking trees, so
I kind of miss it. But yeah, every time the
wind blew, it broke right through the fence and and

(59:41):
so there was that.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
So how did you get interested?

Speaker 2 (59:47):
See, well, my my interest started and like I was
speaking with you before, a couple of times, I started
really enjoying your shows, you know, Monster West, especially the
one with you know that they go into the all
girl group goes into Mount Mount Saint Helen's area and

(01:00:11):
they have Patterson and Gimlin a deep dive into Patterson Gimblin.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
But that was with Bill Munds.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
That episode, Yeah, that was excellent. And then as far
as the field part, it was kind of multifaceted, like
you were saying. I think we talked about this the
last time I was on a little bit, but I
was working with Clay Sanger. He was the lithic technologist
which is basically a replicative that's called replicative systems analysis,

(01:00:43):
where you the archaeology, the archaeologists in the field excavate
stone artifacts and then you try to find the same material,
which would be flint or chir or obsidian, and they
call those lithic materials. And then you try to get

(01:01:05):
the same lithic material and try to replicate the reduction
sequence the rock reduced into a usable piece, and then
the production sequence, which is uh nap flint napping it
into a similar tool. And that's what they call a
true replica. There's simulations where you find a piece of

(01:01:30):
flint and it doesn't have to match, and it may
be a piece of glass or obsidian, and you and
you you copy the thing, but you don't use the
same systematic.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
I was going to I was going to interrupt your ray. Yeah,
obsidian to so people know, is like so freaking sharp.
It's scary. Yeah like that, it's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Yeah. They use it in a lot of open heart
surgeries now in blade really yeah, I know, so sharp.
It does not leave a scar. I have no idea,
although I'll argue that because I got a lot of
stars from it. But if it's done correctly and the
blades detached correctly, and it's it's it's got a sharper

(01:02:17):
edge than steel, and you can cut yourself in that
manner and it leaves no scar. So in anyway, if
you use the same material and the same sequence and
you replicate, that's lithic technology. So you do it to

(01:02:37):
bolster archaeological studies and things like that. So anyway, Clay
and I were going. He invited me to out to
the Mojave Desert to a meeting of lithic technologists in
nineteen eighty three, I think it was or nineteen eighty

(01:02:59):
two maybe, and there was some famous archaeologists there and whatnot.
And the in Umo, which is in Mojave Desert, there's
an archaeological site called the Calico Early Man Site, which
is it's really highly controversial, but not as much now
as it was back then. Back in that time period

(01:03:24):
in archaeology there was very specific paradigms. So they had
the Clovis Point, which was approximately twelve thousand years old,
and before that there was no human occupation in the
New World according to the paradigm of the time, and

(01:03:47):
archaeologists would spend basically their lifetime or career trying to
test this hypothesis. I can't find any anything online. But
when I was studying, they called it the bird soul
hypothesis hypothesis, and you hear a lot about it in

(01:04:08):
sasquatch studies. You know about the Bearing Land Bridge and
coming across across the Bearing Strait during glaciation periods where
the water's low and the Aleutian Islands are sticking out,
so you can walk across there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
This Calico site was was allegedly pre clovist, so at
the time it was shocking. Now it's not such a
big deal because they found other sites that are similar.
So at the time, I was speculating that they're right.
It's not a human sight. It's some sort of relicommonoid

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or or something like this. And ain't you know what
they'd call at the time, ancient man or whatever. So
that was my thought. And then when I started seeing
references to the Bigfoot in the Patterson Gimlin site film
Encounter film, I started thinking, I wonder if that species

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of sasquatch has been in the New World for a
lot longer than people speculate. So instead of coming across
the Bearing straight with Clovis Man twelve thousand years ago.
Perhaps the sasquatch, which could be you know, four separate species.

(01:05:39):
I think maybe it was there much longer. Talking because
that Calico site that the lenses of the archaeological lenses,
which you're like, you know, when you go in there
and you look at the sediments, the sentiments that these
tools were in were far enough down where they could
be two hundred thousand years old, which extremely predates human

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occupation according to the paradigm at the time. So I
started thinking that sasquatch has been here a long time.
And then when I found footprints in Yosemite many years later,
then I thought, and they're still here. So that's how
sort of I got into it. But I wasn't really

(01:06:25):
super involved until maybe maybe twelve years ago and I
found additional footprints and then you know, that sort of
solidified my interest. And then when COVID hit and they
locked us down, I started, you know, surfing the Internet
on different topics and binge watching Monster Quest and binge watching,

(01:06:51):
binge watching In Search of and Cliff Baractman's finding Bigfoot
and things like that, and then I started getting really
really interested in it. And then I started listening, you know,
to debates online and whatnot, and I started that they

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showed the structures, the branch structures and log structures and whatnot,
and I thought to myself, I've seen those. I've seen
those a lot of times when I was hunting or
horseback riding or hiking and stuff. I've seen those. I
just like everyone else, I thought, Oh, that's just made
by humans. But then some of the contexts that I've

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seen them in, it didn't make sense because so people
would say, oh, I think boy scouts have made those,
But I've been out in the woods here for nearly
every day for twelve years, and I have seen no
boy scouts, I don't think at all. And I certainly
haven't seen anybody making those structures. But I have seen

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the structures. Sometimes they're near habitation, human habitation, and sometimes
they're extremely far out and a difficult places to get to.
So I'm sure you know you have both, you know
both worlds, you can it can be a little of both.
Maybe there's wilderness survival and that sort of thing's real

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popular right now with some of the YouTubers, and I'm
sure some of it is that, And then I'm and
and maybe even you know kids children doing it. But
I think that the the prepondance of the ones I've
actually gone up and looked at have the classic twisted branches,

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nothing cut, which you wouldn't rule it out in my opinion,
because if a trail crew has gone through and cut
brush and cut sticks and trim trees and leave that stuff,
there's no reason a saft squatch couldn't make use of
those things to build one of these structures. And I've
seen the park Service come through and and dismantle these

(01:09:04):
structures at you know, and chuck them down the side
of a hill, and within within two weeks it's back up,
you know, they put it. Someone someone or something has
has restored it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
So yeah, I've went there, said too, like how long
did it take for it to get restored? After I
got taken down?

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Well, I saw one that I'm not I'm not quite sure.
I can't answer it completely because there was a spot
where there was multiple dwellings and I went in to
get I got I bought a go pro, so I thought, oh,
this will be good for the go pro so I
can go inside, outside all around and get to start

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recording like a file of these things and then I
compare it contrasts. But when I went, they were gone,
and I saw that, you know, the for service or
park service or someone had come in and dropped logs
over some of the trails that you couldn't access them.
So there wasn't anything. But the next time I came,

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I was bringing my dog, one of my dogs, and
it sniffed back there and there was another. The two
of them were back up. So that was like a
month or two later, but they may have done it,
you know, sooner than that, but I had visited that site, right,
And then one of them was and I think I

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have a photograph of it when we do our slide show.
But one of them was immense. And I found articles
in a newspaper dating back forty years that we're referring
to the same wiki up or conical branch.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Yeah. If you can find that, Joff, go and throw
it up.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Yeah. So anyway, but that's in the last set of
photographs that I sent on my Gmail. But in any case,
that so, I called the state archaeologist and I said,
there was a historic dwelling that I've been going back

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and looking at for twelve years. And I've read stories
and talked to people that said it's been there for
at least fifty years. And every year, Yeah, that's exactly
the one. So every year they take there's new it's restored.

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Every year. Every year I'd come back and it had restoration,
new branches, new logs, you know, debris mooved, stuff like that.
So it had been maintained for fifty years. And so
I called the state archaeologist and I said, I think
this is actually a wiki, uh that was used by

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the Native Americans in the in the area as a
seasonal dwelling for the migration of the salmon up the
Spokane River. So then I think what happens is, in
my opinion, or at least one of my hypotheses, is
some of these things that are existing artifacts sasquatch moves

(01:12:24):
in and uses. And I've seen other examples of that.
There was a when I found those uh, those track
that track away in Usemite. I followed the tracks to
a big monolithic h slab of granite, and on top

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of the granite there was these you know, these bowl
shaped holes that the that I think it was the
Monatchee Indians, Native Americans had taken a stone and the
holes deep and then ground them round in the bottom,
and you'd have used them as a mortar and pestile.

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And when I followed the footprints, I found that the
Sasquatch it appears to have cleaned out those ancient mortars
and took in the old pestles that were laying around
and actually opened hard sage seeds and acorns in there.

(01:13:30):
And yeah, that was interesting because I I also followed
the same footprints, and there was there was I might
have said this last time, but it was so it's
I think it's kind of unique because I haven't heard
anyone else talk about this, but they had two side
by side footprints, and then right under that was feces.

(01:13:53):
So it looked like it just stood right there and
you know and kind of crouched down and went, you know,
just and then just went about as a business or
her business. So that was interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
But okay, so let's go back to the pestles. Yeah,
can you get in a little more detail on what
you saw?

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Okay, what were they made of? For in California, they
well everywhere they have it. It's the Antiquities Act, the
Federal Antiquities Act, which means you, you know, you're really
not supposed to pilfridge graves or Native American archaeological sites.

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That doesn't include isolated fines in most states. So if
you're if you're on private land and you find an
isolate which is like an arrowhead on a trail that
was maybe shot at a deer, you could pick that up.
But if it's got providence and it's in situation in
situ or in situation of other artifacts, and it's a site,

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it's protected by the the American Antiquities.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
At Okay, so these were these were there, so they
were ancient.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Okay, they weren't made, it was, Yeah, they they'd picked
up It appears they picked up these ancient pestles and
used them in the same manner that they were that
they were originally manufacturers and designed for placing the pestel

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in the deep granite holes in the bedrock and uh
and and grinding up uh, you know, edible hardshelled seeds,
nuts and and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
That's that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
So you think they're just repurposing, Yeah, I do, And
I think it's I think it's an opportunist opportunist type thing.
And uh, I think that a lot of the things
that sasquatch is doing is opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
You have you ever seen them use you know, uh
modern basically modern garbage, old tin cans, bottles, anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Ever, Yeah, and like that goes along with the opportunity things.
I was in one area looking for a while and
I'd heard of people saying that they would take items
and and bring them into the woods. And I was
pretty deep in the woods and I saw like kids

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toys and stuff like this, like hot wheels, tracks and whatnot.
And then a couple of weeks later, I was in
the same area and I found a dead porcupine and
so it had been butchered, but the laceration that went

(01:16:58):
from the chin down to the rectal area and then
opened up it was done with a tin can lid
that it had been scraped even sharper on a on
a on a on a piece of some kind of stone.
Who they don't they don't really have sandstone here, which

(01:17:18):
is usually like an abrasive. But anyway, that's what it
appeared like to me. But it was definitely a porcupine,
and detrially, it was definitely butchered. And and and partially eaten.
And I don't I don't know if I interrupted the
process or if someone else did or something. But it
had been partially eaten. And you know, porcupines are very

(01:17:39):
difficult to process. So that was kind of interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Okay, okay, but but no, no campfire, no human sign,
just more, can you describe what organs may have been
missing or what part of that was?

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
It was? It was pretty complete. That was, uh, an
empty cavity like when you when you clean a trout,
you clean everything. Yeah, so it had been eaten to
the insize had been eaten and carefully as you could see, uh,
like on the left side and the right side of

(01:18:17):
the of the cadaver with a corpse or whatever is uh,
pieces of wood that was looked you know, looked like
it was set so you could work on it without
touching the quills.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Wow, and you found how far away did you find
that the can top?

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
It was right there? In context?

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Really it was right there?

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
So I could and could you find where it had
been sharpened? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
It was more like a like like they called it
a microware analysis. So it's basically you analyze it for
use where and so but when you're using it on flesh,
there's not a lot of It doesn't leave a lot
of use where marks unless you're cutting bone. And this

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was just I don't maybe you had to cut through
the sternam and whatnot, but I think of what it was,
it was mostly you know, rubbed on a rock to
maybe get the well, maybe maybe to make it so
it wasn't sharp on one end so you could handle
it as a knife.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Okay, but no human is going to go kill a
porcupine and not have a knife and just grab a
can top to cut it open. That sounds weird. It is,
that would be weird.

Speaker 7 (01:19:42):
It's a pretty good trick. That's pretty good problem solved.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
It's I mean, that would be a weird thing to
think that a human would do that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
There's other stuff in the area too. I mean I've
seen uh in context, in context, I can't say directly
in contact with prints, but footprints in the same area
at different times. And also I did hear a vocalization there, uh,
well twice one one vocalization. It was down in a

(01:20:14):
canyon probably three hundred yards from that area, and it
sounded just like you would hear a chimpanzee. But it
was like just one blurt, like you know, like chip sound,
chip sound, and then nothing. And then about a year later,
it was in deer season and I came up the

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canyon and I heard a distinct tree knock, tree knock,
just one single tree knock, but it was it was
hard and loud enough to be it echoed all through
the canyon area on wood in my opinion, Yes, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Well you said the chip sound. What do you mean
the chip sound stone on stone or like them, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Making not chip sound, but chimpanzee.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Oh, chimp, chimp. Sorry, no, it's okay, much got Yeah that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Makes sense because I've heard that too kidnapping. You used chipping,
so yeah, I gotcha. Sorry, yeah, And it was kind
of weird. It was kind of like, I mean, to me,
it sounded just like you were at the zoo and
you heard chimpanzee.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Yeah, yeah, I've heard that too.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Oh it was strange, but uh, I mean it's it
was so dense. I mean, I'm not opposed to bust
busting brush. I do it quite often, even you know,
you got to wipe the ticks off and whatever. But yeah,
I stopped. I heard the noise, and it was real obvious,
and you know, I don't know. I walked up and

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down that trail and looked as much as I could,
and I could sort of focus, I could sort of
pinpoint where it came from. But the the shrubbery was
so dense there there was no way I could have
get in there. And there's also if you go into
that really dense stuff, that's where the wolfs have their
little pat with their little dens, and also you know
mountain lions reclining there. So it's not real smart just

(01:22:07):
to go barging through that too much. And then there's
you know, there's stinging nettles, and there's poison oak because
in their haulers there's usually water in the bottom and
that's where you get those kind of plants. I've even
busted through the transulas with their quills shooting. But anyway,

(01:22:29):
so I busted through the brush in a similar area
in that area one year, but this was in the summer,
and I came up right up nose to nose with
a big moose and luckily it had just woken up
because it wasn't interested in stopping me to death.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Okay, Jeff, I gotta ask Jeff, do you have any photos?
Did you supply Jeff photos of the porcupine or any
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
I don't have any I have. I probably lost about
I have. I sent him a lot, but unfortunately I
was I was jumping across a stream right next to
a waterfall one day and my phone flew out of
my pocket and went under the waterfall. So I lost

(01:23:18):
about probably three thousand photos because I didn't I didn't
know how to do the backup on Google yet and stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:23:25):
Now I do.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
So that was that was one of them on there
and then but Dan would really good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Would you mind if we start putting some photos up
and randomly talk about them, but it doesn't matter. Yeah,
whatever you want to put up? Jumping just start a
number one started.

Speaker 7 (01:23:45):
Yeah, I'll run him in the order that he sent
them to me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Perfect, Okay. This is something I've seen quite often, and
this is really gonna probably be debatable, of course, like
like it all is, which makes it kind of fun.
But I've seen these fishing weirs, which is basically stacked

(01:24:11):
rocks to channel fish and to create an area where
you can rush the fish up the water channel into
these little walled off areas and you can you know,
noodle the fish out. And in this AI picture he's

(01:24:33):
actually got a little dart where he's poking the fish
or whatever, like a fishing spear, just to sharpened stick.
Because I found a lot of a modified sticks around
and I can't guarantee you that they were used for this,
but that was my speculation. And then the other guy's
got a nice fish snack there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
But yeah, obviously, let me let me just let our
audience know. Obviously everything we're going to talk about is speculation.
But don't throw out the speculation. It gives you when
you're out in the field to things to look for
and to you know, help confirm what rays found. You

(01:25:13):
find a fishing where we are like this, look for sticks,
look for modified sticks right have been sanded, not sanded,
but ground down on stone, suh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
And it's a good thing to look at in the
sand in the sandy beaches, for footprints of course, twisted
twisted branches, this kind of thing. But the thing about
the fishing weirs is in some places illegal to do
that for humans. The fishing, fishing, game or game and
fish whatever they call it in your area would really
frown on this kind of noodling. So there's that, but

(01:25:51):
I'm not saying people all obey you know the rules.
And sometimes people build these so they can go skinny
dipping and whatnot. But unfortunately, or fortunately, I haven't seen
any of that there.

Speaker 7 (01:26:10):
All right, here's the next one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Okay, this is back to the wooden implements. Digging sticks
are common all over the world, and you know, if
you go into Cambodia, Vietnam and whatnot, people are using
digging sticks to dig up roots, tubers and even small

(01:26:33):
subterranean mammals and drubs and things. And so the sausquatch
in the foreground is has a digging stick and he's digging,
you know, for maybe a root or a tuber. And
I can tell you that it's my speculation that they
could probably smell edible edibles under the ground just walking by,

(01:26:58):
because I have a chocolate lab that's a real good
sniffing hunting dog and it can be walking around or
chasing a ball or hunting whatever, and it can smell
something under the ground to start digging. And I know
bears have this ability to smell things miles away, even

(01:27:21):
in someone's trunk of their car and whatnot. And and
I've seen where bears move rocks, dig down and get
tubers and whatnot. Well, anyway, in any case, I think
that just from experience, they they're going to be able
to see the green top of the plant and no,
there's a tuber there. They would no identify the plant

(01:27:44):
and dig up the tuber. They have Bitterot. The bitter
Root Valley in Montana is named after a certain tuber
called the bitter root, which has a you know, a
pretty white flower and you dig down and the Native
Americans would have a seasonal trek to that area for
that for that food resource. It's a good source of carbohydrates.

(01:28:09):
So I've seen digging sticks out there, and I've seen holes.
So and the other guy in the background, it's got
a he's got a tree knocker, and maybe he's saying
the potatoes are ready to eat or what.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
But well, if tree knocking, if they're using trees to
beat on, that is tool use right. They're just grabbing
a random log to beat on a tree, that's tool
use right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
And I want to just in case, I know a
lot that a lot of people are talking about and
I'm not saying this doesn't transpire or whatever. But you
know that the sounds made by beating the chest like
a gorilla, or or clicking the mouth like like in
the African bushmen can make us real loud click. But
if you look at the beat f r oh. Uh,

(01:29:03):
it's BFR report number three seven two seven five in
the Okalla National Forest there in Florida that we have
an eyewitness account of tree knocking. So there was a
fellow that his uh, his side by side quad broke

(01:29:27):
down or his jeep or something, and he was waiting
for help and he observed a sasquatch and it proceeded
to do tree knocking right in front of him. He yeah,
he he recorded it with bf r oh. And you know,
so that's that's a pretty serious thing that you don't

(01:29:48):
really call in uh and do a review on a
store unless you're angry or something or or else you're
really happy. So he's obviously was was was inspired enough
to do that report, which is not very common. So anyway,
so I've found many of those what I considers tree

(01:30:14):
knocking sticks throughout the woods. And in one particular case,
and I kind of tried to make this picture, I
didn't drop myself by the way, but I found one
where I actually heard the tree knock, and I started

(01:30:35):
doing transects back and forth, back and forth, see if
I could find footprints, is what I was looking for.
I didn't find any really good footprints because it's really
hard to find good footprints in this area because it's
a hard substrate with a powdery ash from the mount
Saint Helen's explosions still on the ground here, so you
can see him in the dust, but they're they're not castable.

(01:30:58):
But in any case, I found a just like the
one in the picture, leaning up against a tree. So
I thought, well, that's that's pretty good evidence. But nothing nothing, uh,
nothing that will stand up in court, so you can
go to the next one or whatever. Okay, this is

(01:31:20):
something that I found twice twice.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
Ray, Can I stop you? I'm sorry? How are the
ends on that knocker stick? Were they cut? Were they twisted?
Was it just dead wood that was laying there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
For I still I still have a couple of them. Yeah,
my my dog ate some of them when I wasn't,
but uh yeah they're out.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
They're actually, uh what diameter? I want to know what
diameter and to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Me, it's like finding a dowel. A dowel about an
inch and three corps okay, so the same size as
like a water pipe.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
Okay. And then how are the ends finished? What were they?
Were they worn? Were they well?

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
But most of them are just snapped off, like not
not too modified at all.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
But but edge. It was the wood all new.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Uh, actually dry, almost like you would say drift type wood,
like you know how driftwood gets hard and gray and gray.
All most of the ones I found were hard and
gray like they'd either been in the water a long
time or been so they were, and there's there's definitely

(01:32:40):
use where and signs of modification. And in fact, one
of them it looks like someone actually you know, worked
it down into the shape of a baseball bat type thing.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
How long were they?

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
They're all about one yard long?

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
One yard okay?

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
Yeah, all all in that range. But then you have
to think, am I just picking up the ones that
are one yard long and not not recognizing the ones
that are two yards long? I don't know. But the
ones that the ones that I found were all about
a yard long and about maybe an inch and three

(01:33:17):
quarters or a little bigger. And you know, signs of sands,
signs of use, where battering, signs of modification, and that
sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Uh yeah, so all right, we can go back to
where we are where you wanted to go. I'm sorry,
I wanted more information on those sticks.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Yeah. Well, every time I tell you about it, I
learned more of myself because I have to think about
like the context I found it and whatnot. But this
one and this one here I found twice. And what
they are is in in the Northwest, they have these
massive ant mounds, and they're usually in flat areas, not

(01:34:07):
where there's hills or boulders, but in the flat areas
between where there's wide spots among the trees, and they'll
they'll pile up dirt about two or three feet sometimes
four feet, and then cover it with pine needles. I'm
not sure if the ants cover it with the pine
needles or if it's just you know, dead fall, but

(01:34:28):
it looks pretty much like the ants, you know, put
those around there, maybe to keep erosion away and maybe
insulate the ant hill five type scenario there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
But anyway, almost like almost like they're farming the end.
Yeah right, yeah, I gotch.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
And so anyway, but if you go up to those
mounds and twice I a couple of times I found
sticks that I just assume some someone was poking the
ant right and then, so I've seen it before, the
modified elongated you know, straw shaped sticks. I can't remember

(01:35:15):
the name of the plant, but I finally identified the
name of the plant that they seem to use every time.
But I can't remember the name of it. But anyway,
they modify it down to a stick like an aerow shaft.
In fact, the same plants used for aero shafts from
the Native Americans when they were in that stage. But anyway,

(01:35:36):
well if you think of it, tell us, okay, But anyway,
so they take that the those those plants grow in
iperian aperian environment, which means like you know, near a stream,
near a pond, near a lake where aperian type plants

(01:35:58):
grow like reeds and cats and whatnot. But they they're
found in ant holes that are in dry upper areas plateaus.
So someone has transported those sticks to the ant hole
and modified it. So Jane Goodall, shoot, I think it
was nineteen sixty three, uh found that this same practice

(01:36:21):
was being done by chimpanzees in Africa.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Okay, sorry, stop the truck, right, okay. So you saw
a similarity between the ant holes here and what Jane
Goodall discovered.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Exactly, okay. And so they were using it with termite
mounds and ant mounds I believe in Africa yep. So
and then here if they have they don't have termite
mounts here, but they do have the ant mounts. But
the thing about it is is, yeah, it was the

(01:36:58):
same same behavior or between the chimpanzees ant fishing or
insect fishing and what I consider this sasquatch ant fishing
Hereuse the difference is is I was finding them like
sitting alongside or on the side of the mound. And
then one day I came riding up on the horse

(01:37:20):
and it was in a deep wooded area, I mean,
same scenario, flat spot between trees. The ants love it there,
they can burrow, they can stack up and anyway, so
I was riding up on it and the stick was
in the hole with ants crawling up. And then and

(01:37:40):
since that that was a couple of years ago, and
since then I found it one other time the exact
same scenario. The ant that stick was still in the
orifice of the antle.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Are the ants attracted to the saliva of an animal.
In other words, they.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Could be I never thought of that. I just I
know that if you mess with ants, they get pissed
and climb up whatever's there. But once the saliva is
on there, and they may be putting other things on
it too, Like you know, I know certain apes will
take leaves, bitter bitter root leaves and rub it all

(01:38:19):
over their bodies so they won't get mosquito bites. And
they might use other leaves that attract insects and things
and rub them on the stick. I never thought of
that till now, but it's possible.

Speaker 7 (01:38:31):
That's yeah. That hadn't acree to me either. But when
the chips do it, they kind of chew on the
whole link of the stick. And yeah, that could that
could very well be wise to put salive on that.
That's pretty true.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
They might be going up to munch on. The saliva
might have a nice smell.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
We'll have to try that. We'll have to try it home.
Ray like a stick and put it by an ant
mot and see if they're a drag to do it.
I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
You can do a lot of things, a lot of
things in nature like that, or have the symbiosis, the
symbiotic relationships between species. It's almost uncanny how how it works.
I mean, the exact right mineral in the soil, the
exact right plant comes out, the exact right insects eats
at the exact right predatory animal eats that plant, and

(01:39:22):
then that that that that that mammal gets eaten by
a predator, and then that, you know, so the relationship
and they and then those animals defecate and fertilize up
the plant that you know, drops the needles that they
use for their So it's all inner interrelated.

Speaker 7 (01:39:41):
Yeah, it's really amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
I want I want to keep going. Come on, Jeff Switch,
you're right, okay, this.

Speaker 7 (01:39:50):
This one here.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
I find these poles through the woods, and what what
I found is the it's the tip of a lodge
pole pine. And they call them lodge pole pines because
the Native Americans on the Great Plains would take these
poles and use them as their tepee poles. They're perfectly straight,

(01:40:15):
they're very long, and they're very sturdy, and you with
a very little modification, you make the you know, the
teepee poles. And so they call it the lodge pole
pine because they use them for the lodge poles obviously.
But when I was at cal State Northridge, I worked

(01:40:35):
at the Archaeological Research Center there and uh, doctor, you
spend a long time, I think. Yeah, doctor Nancy Walter,
she was the anthropologist that worked with the Northern Pie
in Bishop, California and Mammoth Mountain area. Uh, let's see,

(01:40:57):
what was it? Reservations? So she and her husband picked
me up and brought me there and I was to
do flintnpping experiments, not really experiments, but just basically reverse
engineering of the ancient tools found in their reservation and

(01:41:21):
teach teach the people who wanted to know the process
again like it's a reculturalization project. So that was really fascinating.
And one of the one of the things they did
is they had an annual pinion nut gathering and I

(01:41:41):
still do. They still do that. And so we'd all
gotten backup pickup trucks and we drove out to the
pinion forest and they set tarps under all the trees
and they brought out these big poles made out of
wood like that and started whipping the trees. And when
they whipped the trees, all these nuts came down and

(01:42:03):
the nuts fell out of the colne and then they
you know, they would take the nuts and put them
in water and if they floated there were no good
and then we'll winnow those out. That winnow them out.
But the reason I thought about sasquatches is you don't
only need it for You don't have to only use
them for pine nuts. You can use them to knock
down squirrels, knock down bird's nest to retrieve the eggs, right,

(01:42:28):
and there's all kinds of things you can use, you know,
with these poles. And they're very long, so you could
get up at the top of a tree without climbing it.
So like a sausquatch that's had great size and a
tree that didn't You would use these poles to access
food items or you know, some other natural thing that

(01:42:52):
they'd use, like maybe even the bird's nest as a
container or whatnot. I don't know, but anyway, so I
have found those poles out there in the woods. Uh,
it's just you know, if you would even think of it,
but you know, you're riding by or walking by and
you see a random hole that's been not modified, and

(01:43:15):
it happened enough where I speculated this hypothesis. But and
that's why the one sasquatch is eating an egg and
the other one's trying to knock down some some pine nuts.
The other thing that those same poles are used. They
have multi uses. But I've seen them where the where

(01:43:37):
they've been used to pry open hollow logs. But I'll
talk about that when the slide comes up. So here's
the mortar and pestible, the mortar and pestle theory. And
this is the same the same activity, the same motor skills,

(01:44:02):
muscle memory and everything that you use to flint n
app and that you also used to clank rocks together
to make sounds like warning sounds or communication sounds when
you climb rocks. The same motion is used to crack
open acorns. And this sort of thing had nuts, seeds,

(01:44:25):
grass seeds, you know those type of things that have
to be cracked through the hard cortext to reach the
meat inside. So yeah, I've seen this type of thing
laying around, But this is an opportunist type of thing.
You got the seeds, you got the nuts. You just
you're sitting by a riverbed, Just pull up the flatish

(01:44:47):
rock and the and a hammerstone of a cobble sized
rock and start pounding away. So it's nothing that's super modified.
It's nothing you would carry with you. None of the
artifacts that this creature or this species carries. In my opinion,
they don't. They don't bring anything with them. They don't
carry anything. Everything is opportunists, opportunistic. They grab it, they

(01:45:12):
use it, they move on, and otherwise they they they wouldn't,
they wouldn't, they wouldn't be so so concealed.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
Have you found evidence of them using such a method
as depicted.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
Yes, I mean, like I, like I said, this is
it's all speculation in all of our research. But yeah,
I found I found exactly this this site right here,
but minus the saucequatch. And I've all through the forest
you find, you know, the pounded up pine cones, and

(01:45:53):
a lot of times I got fooled once, well more
than once, i'm sure. But this one time that I
found this huge pile of debris, pine cone debris, and
I was taking pictures and I was real excited, and
I says, man, that's it's got to be some kind
of ape or something or you know, sauce squash type

(01:46:16):
pomined or something. And then as I was taking pictures,
a black squirrel came up with a pine cone to
that area, and it had been a peeling these pine
cones and getting the seed. So I kind of got
over zealous on that. But you know, when you see it,
when you see uh, when you see it in context

(01:46:38):
with the rocks and it's been smashed, then you know
it's a little bit more intriguing. And of course if
you could find that in context with a footprint or
an actual saucequatch and that, it would be really intriguing.
So keep looking. And then this one I just threw
in there because I was practicing with AI. But it

(01:47:01):
just an interesting concept.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Because it looks like Johnny Winters. Oh yeah, you and I.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
You and I were talking about Johnny Winter.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Yeah, you're saying out with this drummer. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
Yeah. And the reason there, the reason I left it
in there is Okay, I was at a lake up
an alpine lake in Montana with my son and I
was playing my banjo, right, and so I played my
banjo and he's making a funny video and whatnot. And

(01:47:40):
it was really an isolated place on this lake. Anyway,
I mean really pretty far in not that that's a
precursor pre I don't think that sasquatch only is in
the deep woods. I think that it comes around, uh,
the outskirts of human occupation of front. Yeah, but this one.

(01:48:02):
But I think there's actually four subspecies or four individual species.
But anyway, I'll talk to you that we'll get anyway.
So right after I put the banjo down, and my
I was telling you my before, my my son has
sasquatch derangement disorder, so he does not like to talk

(01:48:22):
about sasquatch, but he doesn't believe in it. It makes
me at all, this sort of thing. But I put
the banjo down and I went to look at the
phone to see how it came out, you know, and uh,
as soon as I put it down, we both heard
the loudest tree knock I've ever heard.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
Really, Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
It was it wasn't like in the area we were.
It was across the lake where there is no no roads, nothing,
just okay, tree line on the other side, a huge
tree knock.

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
Okay, we got a backup. Now, So you're playing a
band as a banjo, Yeah, you're playing.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
This is one of those national Doughbros. That Johnny's playing here.

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
Okay, so you're playing this this instrument, you quit, and
right after you quit it lets you know it's not
happy you stop.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
Oneing either that or it's saying if you play again,
I'm gonna nail.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
You with right exactly one of the two.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
But anyway, it was a response.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
So, well, it's interesting you mentioned that only, but if you.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
If you thaw it in context to where it happened,
I think I have a video online.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
I just can't believe you. You put Johnny Winderson there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
That's just so Ray.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
That's so Ray Harwood right there.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
But anyhow, Okay, so I got to just mention my
story real quick.

Speaker 7 (01:49:48):
As I was.

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
I was up north and we did an experiment with
a guy who could sing really good. So we went
out there. Instead of anybody yelling, we just had him
sing acapella. He's just singing, but it was kind of cool.
And then the moment he quit, we all got blasted
with a stink. And then we walked quarter mile. I said,

(01:50:11):
go ahead and do it again. Sing. He sang and sang,
and then all of a sudden he quit and we
got blasted with a stink. Wow, it was really weird.
We did it like three or four times, and every
time the singing stopped, we got blasted with a stink.

Speaker 7 (01:50:28):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
That's amazing. Yeah, that's I was gonna try that again,
but I'll have to go by myself next time. But
he had to admit. He says, yeah, I heard it.
He says, I don't know what to tell you about it,
but I because he really wants to be an Avid
you know, unbeliever of sasquad.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
Yes, Avid unbeliever.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
But I took we went me, he took me up.
I think I'd broken my leg or something. So he
took me up to see doctor Jeff Meldrum at a
show and he went in and right after the show
he kind of had like a little bit of interest, like, wow,
that's pretty that's pretty convincing. But then like the next

(01:51:14):
day it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
Was it was it was gone, okay, uh, well let's see.
I'm sure you get a lot more. Let's keep it going.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
Okay, this is this was like actually for the magazine,
I was doing them an article about the the rock
apes of Vietnam, and but I used the photo for
the rock throwing as if if you go back for
people that are into the experimentalithic technology aspect of archaeology.

(01:51:48):
H a guy named doctor Don Crabtree is like the
father of modern lithic technology in the United States, not
not like in Europe as much, but anyway, he pioneered
it here and in his he wrote like an encyclopedia
of the terms relistic technology, and one of them is

(01:52:14):
the most basic part of flint napping is taken that
art of the outer cortex, the hard outer skin. Like
if you say a cobble with a potato and you
got to take the skin off before you make French fries.
It's the same concept. You have to what they call
decordicate or take off the cortext of the cobbyl before

(01:52:37):
you could start flint napping. And he said the most
basic way to get in through that hard core text
is throwing the rock against another rock bed rock, and
then once that initial decordication flate comes off, then you
can use that open interior of the rock to decordicate

(01:53:01):
the whole thing before you start, So you reduce it
before you it's a reduction, and then a manufacturer after
the reduction. So part of the reduction phase he said
on especially on a really tough lithic material, is the
throwing process. So and then of course you have chimpanzees

(01:53:22):
that use rock throwing against hollow logs as almost a
spiritual thing that they found them doing. I don't know
if it was novos or chimpanzees, but they found them
throwing cobble sized rocks about the same as in this
image at hollow logs, and there was piles of these

(01:53:44):
rocks underneath the logs, underneath the hollow tree, not log
but standing tree. And they've been noted to throw rocks
at humans. And I was at the zoo when I
was a kid on a school trip and one of
these apes picked up his own turd and threw it
at the audience. It was hilarious. But throwing is definitely

(01:54:07):
a technology. I don't know if you call it a technology,
but it's definitely something that apes do. They like to
throw things.

Speaker 7 (01:54:18):
That's a great image, by the way, that's a cool image.

Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
I was really surprised how grad it came out, because
actually I just got introduced to this ai my my nephew.
Let me use it, and I think, man, this is
way better than I was ever using.

Speaker 7 (01:54:34):
That's just look really good.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
All right, let's I learned a new word to decordicate.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
Yeah, don't get it mixed up with the f one.
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
Now here we have a spear and a fish.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Okay, in up in Humboldt on the Indian reservation there
our Native American reservation. I don't know then, don't call
it that, but we got to be correct in our
political analysis. But the shoot, I can't remember the name
of the reservation. It'll it'll, it'll hit me when.

Speaker 7 (01:55:13):
It's the title of the picture is Omahm.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Is the name of their legendary soft squatch in the area.
And the I was talking to several people in the area,
and this is like maybe twenty years ago. I went
up there and Oma. There's a statue in in Willow
Creek of Oma, and he's modeled after I actually met

(01:55:44):
the guy who carved it, but anyway, he he carved
it after the Ostman, Albert Ostman uh drawing. So it
has like the the Beatles when they first came out,
bangs and stuff. But it's it's called Oma and that

(01:56:06):
was their traditional word for it. And in their stories,
Oma actually made not arrows, but like, yeah, I guess
arrows and spears, and he would pip it with a
poison stone points. And it's interesting to note that in

(01:56:33):
the interior of Oregon there's a place called Glass Buttes
near Burns where the Obsidians quarried, and the natives there,
the Native Americans would say that the red Obsidian had
spiritual poison. So also they have what they call soap

(01:56:56):
root growing there in the Appyrian areas, like the water areas,
the confluences where you know, where there's a confluence between
two streams, or a river and a stream the confluence there,
they have what they call a soap root growing. And
the soap root is a tuber like we were talking before.

(01:57:19):
They get a digging stick, dig up the soap root,
and when you pulverize the soap root with a mortar
and pestle like we saw before and throw it in
the water, it makes a soapy froth, thus the name
soap root. But it has an effect on the fish.
It plugs up their gills, so it's not a true poison,

(01:57:41):
but it's it's so it's consistency is like glue. It
plugs up the fish's gills and they float up woo
and they're passed out because of lack of oxygen.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
That's how I feel right now.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
They so anyway, so then they just go and gather
the fish. So the Native Americans, from what that's one
fellow was telling me, they learned that from the Sasquatch.
And then I went into a wood carving cabin. A
guy was carving bears and sausquatches and whatnot at a

(01:58:19):
redwood because it's a redwood forest there in that area
of Humboldt closest to the to the ocean, and so
I think it's called the John Muir Witwoods is one
of the areas there with redwood trees. Anyway, so I

(01:58:39):
was talking to the guy as he carved me a
big He carved me a big foot that I still have.
I did a great job, but just as like a
foot tall. But he was telling me when his grandfather
first came in as a pioneer along the Oregon Trail
and they ended up settling in that area, He's grandfather

(01:59:00):
would see the Sasquatch families bathing in the Eel River.
So it all it all like it all matches together.
The Native American stories and legends and their artwork and whatnot,
and then you go in the historic pioneer people came

(01:59:23):
in and they have their stories of sasquatch, and then
you have you know, the modern Bluff Creek is not
far from there, and then you got the first, the
first fairly credible film and it all, it all is
in the same area. And I've got I've got a.

Speaker 3 (01:59:44):
Question for you. Ray uh very un brought up a
question about you know, uh, do I or does anybody
in the panel here? I think sasquatch can hold their
breath longer than people. I would say yes, it would
be my guess. I consider them water apes, I mean

(02:00:07):
I do. Yeah, So these artifacts is my question. Do
you find these normally near water, within like five hundred
yards of water?

Speaker 7 (02:00:17):
I would say.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
Yeah, I would say yes probably. I haven't really sat
down thought about it, but I think you're probably right and.

Speaker 3 (02:00:27):
Well in the future.

Speaker 2 (02:00:29):
I mean, as far as aquatics, just think about this,
the skunk ape, which is uh, I guess if you
have four types of sasquatch, I mean, you can have
an albino midget next to Magic Johnson and you swear
that was two different species. Right about human? So I
think we talked about that before there's a gradient between

(02:00:52):
of the single species, there's a really large diversity. But
and then they have Bergmann's law, which is the the
Bergman's law is that Bergman said that the farther north
you get, the more robust an animal is.

Speaker 3 (02:01:10):
The bigger.

Speaker 2 (02:01:13):
Yeah. So like if you were in Alaska, yeah, you'd
have the big uh type one patty type robust sauce squatch.
And then down in Florida where it's south, you would
have you know, the the you know, the the skinny, blanky,

(02:01:34):
not so tall type saquatch, which I think are very aquatic,
and I think they even maybe going into the alligator
dens and beaver dams.

Speaker 7 (02:01:47):
Well, and back back up to mary his question too.
You know they have that great, big barrel chest, bigger
lung capacity means they probably have a big probably have
a bigger heart too, So bigger heart.

Speaker 3 (02:02:00):
If I had a drum in front of me, jump
that get a drum roll?

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
Well, I think also that's good.

Speaker 3 (02:02:09):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (02:02:12):
Thought.

Speaker 7 (02:02:12):
Everything has to make sense. I mean, it's you know,
everything everything fits together and makes sense. That's it just does.

Speaker 3 (02:02:18):
So Okay, so what is this picture depicting kind of
Native American guy.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
Look, this was what I was talking about the crossing
of the baron straight in the background. Do you have
a Clovis man with his famous Clovis point. And I've
been told that, oh, Scott sasquatch wouldn't have come over
with the bearing straight there wasn't enough food. However, we
had mammoth and bison and other megafauna coming across, and

(02:02:48):
Homo safetyans, so I think there was, you know, and
then if you break down the food types, it's almost endless,
you know, from the insects, the plants, fish, you know,
birds and eggs, and there's just so much food. Even
in the tundra, you know, people live on ice sheets

(02:03:13):
and and get by very healthily. So I don't buy
into there wasn't enough food. I think it took generations
to get across.

Speaker 1 (02:03:24):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:03:25):
Anyway, I lost the train of thought. But anyway, the
guy in the back's Clovis man, and he had highly
refined lithic technologies, and the sasquatch in the front getting
ready to he's getting ready to butcher that bison.

Speaker 3 (02:03:43):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Actually that's a Danish dagger, which is like the epitome,
the ultimate uh lithic technology and and the reason that
would be is they actually the Danish people developed that
in the in the Bronze age, uh to, so poor
people could have the same same shaped dagger as the

(02:04:04):
Bronze the guys, the rich guys that had the Bronze daggers.
But that's another tale. But basically what I'm thinking is
that the concept is similar. They're both Stone Age peoples
and have a completely different lithic technology. The guys holding

(02:04:28):
a knife the sasquatch fellow, and it's got large flake detachments.
And then you look at the guys. You can't really
see it in the picture, but the Clovis man had
very refined flake detachments, and you get the you know,

(02:04:50):
the kind of the I can't think of the word,
but kind of a not really crude, but more more
unrefined sasquatch tool of harder lithic material. It's a lithic
material that the Clovist man wouldn't even bother picking up.

(02:05:12):
To make a Clovis point, you have to use what
they call pressure flaking, which you press the flakes off
with a deer antler, and it takes precision and perfect
muscles coordination, I hand coordination, and and that sort of thing.
And the percussion method blade that the sasquatch fellow is

(02:05:34):
holding is like, you know, you hit it at certain
angles with a rock until you get it sharp basically,
and there's no refinement and where you're done with it,
you throw it aside.

Speaker 7 (02:05:48):
A closed point. Is just beautiful. It's it's an impressive technology.
How they they did such a beautiful job.

Speaker 2 (02:05:56):
It's a beautiful art form, and it is I talk
to people back when, you know, shoot, when I was
like forty thirty forty years ago, you know, when they
were trying to when there was a lot of different
theories about the clobislithic technology. And there's a big long
fluted chip out of the center of the point from

(02:06:19):
the base to the tip, which is extremely hard and
delicate to to to manufacture, and it has a fairly
high abortion rate. So you spend half the day maybe
making this projectile point from collecting the rock, to processing

(02:06:40):
the rock, to to reducing it and then manufacturing it
to this perfect arrowhead or spear point. And then you
take the long flake off, which a good portion of
the time splits it in half and you got to
start over. So there's there's there's a and some people
said it, well, wells for blood letting. The channel in

(02:07:02):
the middle of the point was for blood letting. And
then other people said, now it represents a flame, you know,
which is like kind of symbolic. So there's a lot
of different theories. But anyway that to compare and contrast,
you got to two species of stone age people or

(02:07:23):
animals or you know, mammals, one highly expertise and the
other guys get the job done and throw it aside.

Speaker 3 (02:07:32):
Yeah, all right, let's school it, all right. And there's
the next one. And this depicts what is what I was.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
Talking about with those lodge pole pine tips using them
as pry bars. So I've seen a couple times them
using a lodge pole pine tip modified into a pole
and used to pry open hollow logs. And in this
case it shows him like prying you know, there's a

(02:08:04):
porcupine in there. And then the guy in the background
has two poles and he's found a crack and he's
trying to work that pole into the crack while the
other guy's using it as a full trim a lever,
prying up on one side. And I've actually got I've
got photos in the in the Gmail ones I sent
you up, actually logs, several logs sitting side by side,

(02:08:27):
pride open. Those cry bars are still sticking out.

Speaker 3 (02:08:31):
Yeah, and for our radio audience, this shows a bigfoot
prying out a porcupine that's in a hall of log Yeah,
it's pretty good. Throw another one up, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (02:08:47):
Okay, Now this looks like flint napping because it's the
same percussion method. One hand holds the core or the
lump of material you're going to chip, and the other
one is the hammerstone. So this guy, say, if he
was right handed, the right hand would be the hammerstone

(02:09:08):
and the o lithic material would be in the left,
and vice versa for left handing. But in this one here,
I tried to replicate what they were finding there in
the Olympic Peninsula, which where they found nests with clanking
rocks in contest in context with the in context with

(02:09:31):
the nests where these two matching cobbles, like they look
really similar, And so I tried to kind of replicate
what was going on there, and they speculated and they're
they're probably right, is that they were clanking these together

(02:09:52):
as like, so the infants could hear where they're at
all the time, or maybe calling them back in in
the afternoon, or to warn him that there was some
kind of predatory thing going on. Uh. And I also
think that they might have used him to crack open
maybe some kind of seeds or something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:10:15):
I have a tape I want you to listen to
h Ray. Maybe I'll get you the link tonight. You
can listen to it. Okay, that's really interesting. A lot
of rock activity.

Speaker 2 (02:10:27):
And then uh, doctor Meldrum was I talked to him
at cornered. I cornered him at one of the conventions,
and I probably wear his brain cells that quite a bit.
It's kind of funny because he gets kind of a
I don't know, he's he's really got a lot of patience,
put it that way. But anyway, the jaw the sasquatch

(02:10:52):
has uh theoretically a saginal crest, and that's the the
cone on his head is a saginal crest, which is
a bum structure that goes from the forehead back to
the back back of the skull. It's very mild by
the forehead, and it gets bigger and bigger in the
back like a dog's skull and then massive muscle fibers

(02:11:14):
connect to the top of this to the size of
the saginal crash and down to this immense jaw, so
they have immense pounds of pressure coming down from that jaw.
So they don't need tools for many things because their

(02:11:37):
teeth and their jaw is a toolkit in itself, you know,
like you know, like a mouse or something like that
has the massive jaws and can you know, eat wood
and whatnot, you know, fibrous wood type plants. But the
thing is is, and I suppose if you had infants,

(02:11:58):
you could chew the food for them and then regurgitate
it into his mouth like some species of animals do,
you know, like seagulls and whatnot. But there's certain circumstances
where it would really aid them, and it's an opportunitist thing. Hey,
there's two rocks. I think I'll make it a little
easier to eat these seeds. Or I'm feeding a baby

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and you know, so I'm just going to grind up
these tubers or something like that. Or you have a
rabbit and you might you grind it in the mush
and then feed the baby and stuff like that. So
I think there's instances where you when tools are very
effective even if they're opportunists, opportunistic tools that are already
just naturally formed, so they pick up the ones that

(02:12:44):
fit their hand nicely. And then there's the thing about
the Freeman casts of a Sasquatch hands. You know, with
a with a it's either a non opposable thumb or
moderate opposable, and so it may it would make it
very difficult for them to do fine motor skills like

(02:13:07):
humans have the perfect opposable fun for those things. But
I did an experiment where I went down to a
cobble beach on the Spokane River and there was like
quartzite cobbles all up and down mixed in with granate
granite cobbles and stuff like it just perfectly like brownish

(02:13:32):
ovoid type cortext cobbles. And I was I tried to
flint napp the material and I got a couple of
rocks that, yeah, this is really tough stuff, but it
does you can flake it, you know, it gives that
concoidal fracture, which is like a clamshell type shape chip

(02:13:54):
coming off, So like when you shoot a be beat
and glass it makes a conchoidal or clam m shaped
hole on the other side of the baby on the glass.
So I found a rock that could do it, and
then I taped my hands so I could not use
my disposable phones, but I could still make crude tools.

Speaker 7 (02:14:17):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (02:14:17):
I wish I was there to see that rye.

Speaker 2 (02:14:20):
I'm sure some of the people who saw me thought,
I was pretty well, what that guy's got duct tape
on his hands and he's banging rocks together.

Speaker 3 (02:14:29):
I wish I would have been there. That's it's all right,
It's all in the name of science, right, Okay, what
do we see here? We see a deer with antlers
laying on the ground and a bigfoot with two very
pretty good sized.

Speaker 2 (02:14:49):
At this one, I was kind of indicating tree knocking,
but also that he had clubbed that club that it's
kind of a a combination of an elk and a moose,
I think, but uh, I guess it's a big elk.
So anyway, so he clubs the It's my perspective that
they some of the larger animals that they you know,

(02:15:12):
I know, the deer, there's been people that witness them
being tackled and and whatnot. But I think that with
the larger ones that that are a little bit more formidable,
they would knock them, knock them out with a club.
It's the same. It's the same motion as a tree knock,
you know or whatnot. So yeah, and then there's the one,

(02:15:33):
Uh I do have an eyewitness? Is that I witness
an eyewitness to clubbing? Uh? You do?

Speaker 3 (02:15:43):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:15:44):
Yeah, I got that. Okay, it's called the Bosco olsen
An encounter. And uh, this one didn't make it to
the b F R O, but it was in a
low goal Alaska newspaper and it says to understand the

(02:16:05):
magnitude of Bosco Olson Seniors July fourth sighting, one must
first picture the place itself, Hooper Bay of Uh I can't,
I can't pronounce that word, but it's an Alaska western
coastline and the Yukon w's go come delta and any

(02:16:30):
in any case, Uh, he got a video of a
walrus being clubbed and a sasquatch bobbing up and down
butchering it on the beach.

Speaker 3 (02:16:42):
Was this the Schookum Delta or h.

Speaker 2 (02:16:49):
I'm not. I'm not sure. I haven't really been to Alaska.

Speaker 3 (02:16:53):
My son lived there for a while okay, never mind,
never mind.

Speaker 2 (02:16:57):
But anyway, so it's it's well documented. You google it,
it'll come up and you can see the video. But
it's pretty compelling.

Speaker 3 (02:17:10):
Uh yeah, so and the and the guy claimed that
he had witnessed.

Speaker 2 (02:17:17):
Guy. Yeah, well, the bigfoot's actually in the video. Oh yeah,
it's it's in contents. You can see that. You can
see the dead walrus and look it up, Jeff, Yeah,
you can see him. You can see this. It's a
Native American guy. It's this from my perspective. I haven't

(02:17:37):
seen it in a while, but he's watching a wal
risk being butchered by a saut watch carrying a club
in his hand.

Speaker 3 (02:17:47):
Well, let's see if we can find it. How do
you spell it again?

Speaker 2 (02:17:51):
Ray, you got it?

Speaker 3 (02:17:54):
No, we need to know how to spell it.

Speaker 2 (02:17:57):
Okay, Well let me look at it. I'm really at
it at anything to do with grammar and whatnot. So
all right, okay, well here it is. Okay, so it's
uh Alaska bigfoot probably google Bosco Olsen Hooper Bay Bigfoot Encounter,

(02:18:28):
July fourth and fifth of twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (02:18:32):
Hooper Bay Bigfoot Encounter.

Speaker 2 (02:18:34):
Twenty fourteen, Dead walrus.

Speaker 3 (02:18:39):
I've never heard of this. I mean, and you saw
this swootage ray obviously.

Speaker 2 (02:18:44):
Oh yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it multiple times.

Speaker 3 (02:18:46):
What are your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (02:18:50):
Given the context of it's a dead walrus laying on
the beach in a really isolated place of Alaska. Yeah,
and some guy's beaten on a uh dead wall. It
would be really weird if it was a human. But
it looks like a big, you know, monocolored Uh. Okay,

(02:19:11):
to me, it looks pretty pretty captivating at least.

Speaker 3 (02:19:17):
So auto a scale of one to ten. Rai's saying,
it's at least a six. And look, Jeff, you can't
find it. Darn sorry people, Okay, Olson's well, maybe somebody

(02:19:38):
in our audience can look for it.

Speaker 7 (02:19:41):
Yeah, here's here's the next picture. I'll keep I'll keep it.

Speaker 2 (02:19:44):
All right, We'll keep it moving, okay, all right, So
what do we have here?

Speaker 3 (02:19:47):
We have like an arch, We have a we have
a radio audience too that can't see these pictures. So
we have an arch with a very sharp kind of
point in the middle of the arch, and we have
a triangle on the ground like an a with a
with a stick across the middle, like an ea, a
cliff right, all right, so explain.

Speaker 2 (02:20:10):
And then there's a sasquatch, yeah, taking a bite out
of a lizard or something.

Speaker 3 (02:20:14):
Yes, yeah, he's taking a bite out of Johnny Winters.

Speaker 2 (02:20:18):
Yeah. So anyway, I never really noticed this before. I've
seen these the hoops, the hoop trees where a sapling
is a sapling has turned into a hoop or an
arch or you know something like that, you know, rainbow

(02:20:40):
shape type arch. So I never really thought much about it.
I thought, well, it probably got pinned down in the
snow and a heavy snow and just stayed there. But
then I saw other people online online saying it was
maybe sometime of some type of cliff and then the

(02:21:03):
two sticks. You know, there's an ad over it, so
I can't see it.

Speaker 3 (02:21:08):
It looks like an ad from Sunset Sasquatch movie.

Speaker 2 (02:21:13):
Yeah, right, yeah, so the letter A the capitalistic.

Speaker 7 (02:21:21):
Yeah the video this is a screenshot from it though.

Speaker 3 (02:21:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:21:25):
Yeah, So that individual with a long pole or log
or whatever is the saftquatch. And then the lump on
the right side is the dead walrus. So it's agitated.
So it's walking to the walrus back and forth, waiting
for the Native American dude to leave the scene. But

(02:21:47):
when he first saw it, it was behind the walrus
eating it.

Speaker 3 (02:21:53):
So he's eating ocean killed walrus.

Speaker 2 (02:21:58):
Right unless he beat it to death. That pull Okay,
I mean, I don't know a lot of I don't
know a lot of people. Well I don't know a
lot of people in general, but I don't know anybody
who eats dead waters off the beach. But anyway, not
me back to the letter A. This this might have

(02:22:20):
this is just you know, kind of just something interesting.
Is that in the Viking the Vikings, the letter the
capital letter A upside down means deer or elk because
it's you know, it's about the b is the face,
The nose would be the top of the capital A,

(02:22:41):
and then the bottom what we call the bottom of
the capitolator the two horns coming out, and then the skull.
The cross. The cross across the cap of A is
the is the So it's the capital letter A has
come from was adapted from a glyph of a deer
or our goat. So I don't know if that's still

(02:23:04):
what it means, but I find these things all over
the place, and from what I understand, in other areas,
even flora and stuff. They're finding the letter A sometimes
like a little bit devious. The Marie Dumont there in
Florida has sent me a lot of glyph pictures and

(02:23:25):
some of them are the asterisks, which I couldn't find
the picture she sent me, but or maybe I maybe no,
I don't think I could find it. But anyway, it's
like an asterisk like on a typewriter, so it's it's
like a star. There's multi sticks cross cross cross to
it makes a perfect asterisk. So it's it's very complex.

Speaker 8 (02:23:48):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:23:48):
And then and then we have square here or the
letter H trail glyph and and they're not only on trails,
but they're mostly on trails, but they're also out in
the woods. But I've seen those quite a bit. And
the squares and the ages with an age but with

(02:24:10):
two crosses like a tic tac toe board. She sent
me some from Florida and I've seen them here too,
so it's kind of like a a known thing that
they they used this. The glyphs are not random there.
And then Steven Strufford from you know, from Willow Creek

(02:24:32):
there that had bigfoot books, was telling me once that
he was clearing out some bushes and his in his
side yard there in Willow Creek, and he found a
perfect sticks made into a perfect arrow, like pointing like
you see, like pointing to an elevator and a store
or something. And it was a place where no one

(02:24:53):
had been. So he thought that was kind of interesting.
And you know, he took it with a read a speculation,
of course, but I thought it was interesting when he
told me that. So they're similar. The glyphs are not there.
There's there's it's not like an infinite number of patterns.
It's it's it's there's only a there's only a few

(02:25:15):
repetitive patterns throughout the United States and Canada.

Speaker 3 (02:25:20):
Interesting, So what do we have here is like in
a nook shook? What is that thing?

Speaker 2 (02:25:24):
This is just rock stackok So, of course human stack rocks.
I found a lot of rock stacks all around.

Speaker 3 (02:25:34):
That's pretty much all I do all day.

Speaker 2 (02:25:36):
Ray.

Speaker 3 (02:25:37):
Yeah, I just said you're stack rocks.

Speaker 2 (02:25:41):
But I mean maybe if you're waiting for the bus
or something.

Speaker 3 (02:25:45):
Yeah, just stack rocks all day. Okay, But we.

Speaker 2 (02:25:49):
Found a lot of a lot of stacked rocks. And
you know, I come back and they're not stacked anymore.
Then two days later they're stacked again. And it's a
and of course a lot of people do, like have
a hobby of stacking rocks. But you know, I talked
to Thomas Seward over there on Vancouver Island. He's pretty

(02:26:13):
convinced that sasquatch is more of a type of human
than like than ape type thing. So I know, the
first thing that kids do when they get to a campsite,
if there's a lake there, start throwing rocks in the lake.
So it's kind of like and they subconscious behavior, you know,

(02:26:38):
stacking rocks and throwing them. And this is just a
replica I made to go with the clanking rocks of
the Olympic project of the sasquatch building a nest and
the they build them. And I don't think it's huckleberries there,
but it might be. I think there's a gooseberries. I
don't know, but they use some kind of berry plant,

(02:27:00):
which you're you know there may they grow on vines, so.

Speaker 3 (02:27:06):
Yeah, some plant that had anti bacterial.

Speaker 2 (02:27:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. And like I said,
they take leaves of bitter bitter plants and rub them
on themselves so they don't get mosquito bites and you
know ingest them even though they don't taste goods for
the same reason, you know, they don't want to get ticks.
They don't want to get deer fly bites or mosquito

(02:27:32):
bites and whatnot. So yeah, I don't know if it
works for bees, because I think that they rob honey,
like on Vancouver Island.

Speaker 3 (02:27:44):
So do you guys, do you have a There are
a lot of wood ticks in Montana.

Speaker 2 (02:27:49):
Wood ticks? Yeah, would yeah, they had they've had.

Speaker 3 (02:27:54):
No do you get them when you go out there?

Speaker 2 (02:27:56):
Would I get them? I? Sometimes I do. Yeah, I've
gotten ticks before.

Speaker 3 (02:28:01):
Who else do you think I'm talking about? I'm talking
about you?

Speaker 2 (02:28:05):
Well, the I checked my check my dogs out for ticks,
and I check myself and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (02:28:10):
But you don't find me.

Speaker 2 (02:28:11):
I'm really afraid of them though, because I know but.

Speaker 3 (02:28:15):
Doesn't have many ticks? Does it?

Speaker 2 (02:28:18):
Nothing?

Speaker 3 (02:28:19):
I know of.

Speaker 2 (02:28:19):
It depends on the time of year and stuff. But
I had one time I was deer hunting with my
dad on my grandfather's ranch and I got a tick
on each half of my leg. Well, now what you
do is just put vasoline on them and they crawl
out because they can't breathe. But in those days, the

(02:28:40):
pocket knife came out and he would heat up the
pocket knife and dig them up.

Speaker 3 (02:28:46):
So I would. Yeah, my mom used to take when
I was a kid. I always come back with a
wood She would take a hot match and blow it
out and then put the the head of the match
on the back of the wood dick and it would
back out. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:29:04):
Yeah, so I'm pretty and plus you can get you
never got the boxing mountain, I think is it? Is
it rocky mountain fever or lime disease from ticks?

Speaker 3 (02:29:15):
All right? But so Nick Nick says Doug, there are
very few ticks out West compared to Minnesota. We have
a lot of ticks.

Speaker 2 (02:29:25):
The ticks in Minnesota will take down at Moose.

Speaker 3 (02:29:30):
I don't want to change the topic. We're going to
get back to this tool thing. But do you do
you think there's have you noticed or heard about any
convincing symbiotic relationships with other animals and sasquatches symbiotic relationships?

Speaker 2 (02:29:51):
Yeah? In fact, shoot, what was it thinking about that?

Speaker 3 (02:30:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:30:01):
I can't recall it. There there was something that was
really interesting that in Florida, But I can't I can't
seem to remember. But it was something to do with
the shoot. I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (02:30:17):
I was reading don't you hate those brain farts?

Speaker 2 (02:30:19):
Right palmetto? The apple the alligator what they call them,
crocodile apples or whatever.

Speaker 3 (02:30:27):
They call them. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:30:29):
Someone someone knows in the chat. But anyway, gosh, I
can't remember what it was. Anyway, Yeah, there there is,
but I can't remember. Well, I know that did the birds?

Speaker 3 (02:30:42):
Wait, I can't even remember.

Speaker 2 (02:30:44):
The bird land on the I've seen birds land on
the back of the moose and eat the ticks off,
so I'm sure that they probably do the same thing
on a sasquatch.

Speaker 3 (02:30:55):
Well. I've had a theory that flying squirrels because one
day I was up and up on the Canadian border
doing some film for Animal Planet, and flying squirrels started
landing all over me and crawling all over me when
I was talking to my buddy. Then I'd stop talking
and the things would all take off, and then I'd

(02:31:17):
start talking to join and they'd land all over me.
And I thought, well, that's weird, and then I put it,
put it away, didn't think much about it, and then
all of a sudden one day had hit me maybe
they were used to doing that on a bigfoot looking
for wood ticks.

Speaker 7 (02:31:35):
Can you have a.

Speaker 3 (02:31:35):
Symbiotic relationship where they groomed them at night and you
know they both win, the big Foot's get rid of
their tics and the flying squirrels. And I thought, well,
that's weird. I looked up their favorite food is woodticks
lines flying squirrels. Wow that could be so I thought,
well that's cool. I just wondered if that's a real possible.

(02:31:57):
It's as reliable as your damn tool.

Speaker 2 (02:31:59):
You.

Speaker 3 (02:32:00):
Yeah, that's right, it's the same thing. It makes sense,
you know what I mean. I love it when things
make sense.

Speaker 2 (02:32:09):
They fit, and when you start going down the food
chain and and and looking at the symbiotic relationships, like
I think, I remember what it is now that the
softquatch eat the palmetto apples. Okay, and I'm sure I
got that wrong, but I'm sure on the floorida in
a long long time. But they eat them and then
they defecate and it spreads the seeds and then they

(02:32:31):
also are fertilizing the ground.

Speaker 3 (02:32:33):
I don't think any animals eat pullmeto. It's just they don't.
I did research on that one.

Speaker 2 (02:32:39):
They're just too nasty.

Speaker 3 (02:32:40):
They're just nasty. No, No animals eat them, nothing dutches them.
But you claim there's an apple in there. Jeff, can
you look up apple?

Speaker 2 (02:32:48):
I think they call them alligator apples or something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:32:52):
Jeff, can you look that up? You found that picture
of the dang walrus. Yeah, that was pretty good, That
was pretty cool. I you just see that still puncture.

Speaker 2 (02:33:02):
Well don't you hate it when you can remember, like
reading or seeing a video of something and then you
want to reference it and you can't find it.

Speaker 3 (02:33:10):
Well, at my age, I can't even find my glasses anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:33:14):
Well, I can't find my keys half the time.

Speaker 3 (02:33:16):
But darn, it's tough getting old. Yeah, yeah, I love
it and I hate it. Well, there we go.

Speaker 7 (02:33:25):
So go ahead and read pond, the alligator apple.

Speaker 3 (02:33:28):
Read the elet.

Speaker 7 (02:33:29):
Apparently alligators eat them?

Speaker 3 (02:33:31):
Yeah what, No, they don't.

Speaker 2 (02:33:35):
Yeah, they do, at least that's what I've read.

Speaker 3 (02:33:39):
Well, read it, Jeff, what does it say?

Speaker 7 (02:33:41):
All Right? And I want to globorize a tropical fruit
tree in the family blah blah blah blah. I'm gonna
say that common names are pond, apple, alligator, apple, swamp apple, corkwood,
bob wood, and monkey apple. It's native to Florida in
the United States, the Florida but they call it a
mon what you think, Yeah, well it's also it's also

(02:34:02):
in the Caribbean and Central South America.

Speaker 3 (02:34:06):
But are they nutritious? Can you find out whether they're
good for you? And can you make a yeah?

Speaker 7 (02:34:12):
Can?

Speaker 3 (02:34:15):
And does anybody in our chat?

Speaker 7 (02:34:17):
It is edible, it said, the is edible for humans
and its taste is reminiscent of ripe honey melon.

Speaker 3 (02:34:23):
Wow, the damn so that you want to try one?

Speaker 2 (02:34:28):
Now you know the soft squad you're snacking on those?

Speaker 3 (02:34:32):
Well, that's what I'm That's that's why I'm asking why
would an alligator eat a thing that tastes like a
honey deal? I thought they liked meat apples, keeps them regular? Okay,
good night, everybody, Good night. Every of the show has

(02:34:52):
gotten out a hand. Now we got our guests. He's
turning the lights on.

Speaker 7 (02:34:58):
Okay, I got this is something we've talked about. This
it's an invasive species in Australia and Sri Lanka. So
it's our choice to get back at parts of the world.
Invasion species specica.

Speaker 3 (02:35:13):
Maybe she knows anything about this invasive apple thing. I
just like anything new I haven't heard about, because it's
like a fruit I've never heard about. What's interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:35:26):
Maybe my taste like a passion fruit.

Speaker 3 (02:35:30):
Really interesting. Alligators are omnivorous, as Greg. I didn't know that.
The hell Greg, stuff here is this great? I didn't
have any idea.

Speaker 7 (02:35:44):
No, So we were talking about Bigfoot. We probably we
should get back to.

Speaker 3 (02:35:48):
Yeah, we're going to get back to big Foot.

Speaker 2 (02:35:49):
Okay, I got my I got my tribute to Bob Gimmlin.

Speaker 3 (02:35:52):
Right now talking about because obviously it would be a
great food source for Bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (02:35:58):
Yeah, and it would be they're they're, they're.

Speaker 3 (02:36:01):
In fact, it may be a very big staple, a
big part of their diet.

Speaker 7 (02:36:06):
So it says the yea the sea that thrives in
wet environments, the seeds and the fruit. Uh, they follow
the swamps and rivers, hence the name pond apples.

Speaker 3 (02:36:14):
Well, Paul Meadow is thriving like northern Florida and Georgia
and everywhere I've gone there there's God, it's Paul Metow forest.

Speaker 7 (02:36:25):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:36:25):
This this uh, I can't remember what they call him.
It's a. I caught it. I called it a photograph
and the and the AI got angry at me and
kicked me out. It was they're supposed to say fac
simile or something. But anyway, this is a fact simile
of sasquatch flint napping. So, like I say, he's got

(02:36:46):
a hammerstone and the core material litic material. It is
left hand, so this is a right handed sasquatch and
he's got some tools down there by his big feet.
And then that they the eagles coming to check it out.

Speaker 3 (02:37:00):
It's fascinating. Now I'm gonna have to be thinking about
an obsidian. And I guess up here in Minnesota they
would use probably what graned or flint. Yeah, we have
flint up here.

Speaker 7 (02:37:14):
It's called Lake Superior. Oh okay, Lake Superior's got really
really really good flint.

Speaker 3 (02:37:20):
I'm not the rock guy, Eric is. Eric's the rock guy.

Speaker 7 (02:37:24):
Yeah. I guess you read quite a bit about flint napping.

Speaker 2 (02:37:28):
I get jasper flint shirt. It's all you know, it's
a silicate, it's glass basically.

Speaker 3 (02:37:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:37:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:37:35):
Well, when I was down and believes and I did
a lot of uh uh splunking in the in the
caves with the Ministry of Archaeology down there, and we
were going in brand new caves that he had found
but hadn't gone in yet. So we were doing that
for Discovery Channel, and oh my god, what an experience

(02:37:56):
that was to find uh, like obsidian things and skulls
that were just covered in kelcite that hadn't been seen
in a thousand years and I'd be the first guy
to shine a flashlight on.

Speaker 2 (02:38:09):
Them, and wow, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (02:38:11):
That was so it was right out of Indiana Jones.
But man, I was so happy to get home after
that trip. Oh my god, that was a rugged trip. Okay,
but obsidian is I just remember it was like you
touch it and it would be like, oh my god,
razor razor shirk.

Speaker 2 (02:38:30):
Yeah, I would really, I mean, I don't know, but
I would be surprised if if they would use that
because they're kind of opportunistic and so it would probably
be rare for them to go to like a lithic
quarry or a rock cory, right, like go to a
specific spot like the Native Americans.

Speaker 3 (02:38:49):
Dud. But you think they just take any kind of
like any kind of rock and chip away.

Speaker 2 (02:38:54):
Not all rock can make a cutting edge, Okay, so
you have to have something to get that clamshit all
type plays. So there's certain things like andesite, quartzite and
quartz that are really hard that people hate, the flint
nap and basalt that hate the flint nap because it's
so hard. But a ssquatch wouldn't have any problem.

Speaker 3 (02:39:15):
All right, if I hear the word flint nappy one
more time, we got anything else?

Speaker 2 (02:39:20):
Yeah, go to the next one.

Speaker 7 (02:39:22):
All right, I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:39:23):
Joking, You're okay, it's kind of an art project, but
I made this for something else, because that's just messing around.

Speaker 3 (02:39:32):
I think, I think it's I think, well.

Speaker 2 (02:39:37):
It gave me an idea. You know, in World War
Two they had the Gremlins and like if something went
wrong with your plane, you would say a gremlin did it.
And then I was remembering that in the in the
in the Bigfoot Society there in in England they have
all sorts of of like legendary thickle animals that resemble Bigfoot. Uh.

(02:40:03):
And also they have an archaeological site called the Boxgrove
site which they have ancient man and it's an ancient
man site. It's Homo heidel Bergensis Homo heidel Yeah, yeah.
So that's a middle plasticcene type European Asia and middle

(02:40:30):
plasticcene Africa. Homo homo, yeah, homoheidel bergenesas in England. So
what are the possibilities of a I mean, probably not great,
but there is a possibility of a species that kind

(02:40:56):
of held on in the eminent, like a remnant population
and that and they were met and maybe these pilots
like saw them around the planes and chased them off
or like in the early parts of either World War
One or World War two, and and then it just

(02:41:17):
sort of became the lore of being a pilot of like, oh,
the grim you know, it's got a problem. It's the Grimlin.
I mean, what if that came from a real encounter
from like one of these reminent species or something. So
it's just a kind of an idea I had this
morning when I was checking out kicking photos. So I

(02:41:39):
got this. Just watch and he's like picking apart.

Speaker 3 (02:41:41):
And did you just put this picture together today?

Speaker 2 (02:41:45):
It was like today or yesterday or something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:41:48):
Oh, it's it's really a cool picture. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:41:51):
So that's just oh yeah, oh, just just an update.
We're at two hours and forty minutes. We're at.

Speaker 3 (02:41:59):
Oh, okay, what else do we have?

Speaker 2 (02:42:01):
You want to just feel like go fast? Native American
legends or myths or stories.

Speaker 3 (02:42:09):
I don't Well, they've taken advantage, Okay. Is that tool use?
If they take advantage?

Speaker 2 (02:42:13):
No, No, there's actual stories of them stealing salmon from there,
from the Native American nets.

Speaker 3 (02:42:24):
Right, But is that tool use?

Speaker 2 (02:42:26):
If they do that, it's tool use. But I don't
know if they're actually I think they were just picking
up the nets and stealing, right, But it's still there's
still Yeah, they get the concept that this is a
tool and they're there. I don't know if they would
actually steal the net and use it or or or
just steal the fish out of the net. And they
were also stealing them out of the smokehouses. And it's

(02:42:50):
not just that. There's a lot of stories like that.
That's cool out there.

Speaker 3 (02:42:53):
We've all heard those, all right, what else we got here?

Speaker 7 (02:42:56):
Last? Last a series of three pictures? Here is kind
of the last thing.

Speaker 2 (02:43:01):
Okay, this is I found a butt print, so I
just wanted to accentuate the the booty right there, So
there's thick Yeah, there's the booty, and that's from climbing
up hills, man, you just get big butts and there's
the print. Okay, So this mud is on the shores

(02:43:24):
of Flathead Lake in Montana, near Swan Valley and whatnot.
And this this has been there a long time. You know.
You can see human footprints all around, and it's compacted,
it's filled with sand. So at one point this was
filled with water and the sentiments filtered down to the

(02:43:46):
bottom of the butt cheeks and staying on the bottom there.
So this is this has been there quite a lot.
And if you look closely you can see leg prints also.
And yeah, so to me it looked just like the
one that Paul Freeseman Freeman.

Speaker 3 (02:44:07):
Yeah, what would make such a strange print.

Speaker 2 (02:44:11):
Yeah, the difference is between this and Freeman's is this
is old. This has been underwater.

Speaker 7 (02:44:19):
We lost Ray.

Speaker 3 (02:44:22):
Yeah, Ray's gone. He's uh the butt print got him underwater.

Speaker 2 (02:44:29):
This was wonder someone called me a hay up. So anyway,
water went over this and then the and it froze.
So is so this was under ice all winter and
then it thought out. So that's why it's it's not gone.
The complete detail of Paul Freeze's butt print, what was
you know, and Paul freezes it sat in the mud

(02:44:51):
and then it wasn't long before Paul found it. So
it's really good detail. You see the hair and the
dermographics and all.

Speaker 3 (02:44:59):
The yeah in polls, But what about this one. This
one I know Carl's found. Carl has found butt prints,
other people have, but this one is there's no footprints, but.

Speaker 2 (02:45:10):
It's got it's got water and ice were and it's
and it was sitting in the water, so it's deep
enough where it lasted through being underwater and the butt
cheeks were filled with water and then that dried out
and left the sand that was sediment in the water.
But it's really I mean when you were looking at it,
I took I took GoPro of it, the whole thing,

(02:45:33):
but I was with someone that has sasquatched arrangements syndrome,
so they I wasn't able to go get plasting castor
but it didn't have a lot of detail, but it
was obvious what it was.

Speaker 7 (02:45:47):
And then the last picture I got in this sequence
is uh, okay, this structure.

Speaker 2 (02:45:52):
This structure is probably fifty feet from the butt print,
and so well, I don't know, it's sort of self explanatory.
It's it's driftwood logs made into a structure and the
floor in there was covered with sawgrass.

Speaker 3 (02:46:15):
This looks like a very deserted lake.

Speaker 2 (02:46:18):
Yeah, it's a flathead lake. It's got some places that
have human occupational stuff and then resort even stuff, and
then there's soul sections that it's not accessible. Even just
to the west of this place is a bird sanctuary
where you're not even allowed to go because there's you know,

(02:46:40):
some kind of rare birds doing their bird things. So, yeah,
this is coming out of winter. So this was made
in the winter, and it's very inhospitable in the winter
in that area because you got this big flat this

(02:47:02):
mud flats like half a mile from like from the
land to the to the water there, it's about half
a mile. And two years before this, before I found
the butt print, I found structures that was still it

(02:47:22):
was still snow on the ground, but it was melting,
and there was footprints all over the place, but you
couldn't cast them because they were filled with water, just
like those butt prints, but they were they were pretty
good prints all up in this stuff. This mud is
great for preserving prints.

Speaker 3 (02:47:40):
Okay, I want to talk about these just for a second.
How do you know these are not like bear tracks
or I mean, could you give us some context the dimensions.

Speaker 2 (02:47:50):
Well, it's really it's like each one of those is
bigger than the watermelon, each one of the butt sheets.

Speaker 3 (02:47:55):
Okay, and then I mean it looks big.

Speaker 2 (02:48:00):
Yeah, And if you mark in one of the other photos,
I have it next to Freeman's but prints exactly the
same size, and then right next to that I have
Patti's but and you look at Patty's, but Freeman's cast
and this, and they're all the same size and shape.
They're all female butts unless unless j Loo was out
there some baby.

Speaker 3 (02:48:22):
Yeah nice, just nice. Oh is that a picture of
the Freeman? Yeah, Freeman, Patty but yeah, lots of butts.

Speaker 2 (02:48:33):
Yeah, no buds about it. But you can see Patty's
but it's it's pretty pronounced.

Speaker 3 (02:48:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:48:42):
And then you look at Freeman's and Patty's looks the same,
and they look Freeman's patties and mine and they look
the same, all female, but it's just mine. Got you know,
it was underwater, so it doesn't have the detail he.

Speaker 3 (02:48:57):
Does, right, Okay, So you never did you never told
us about your little quick non counting encounter that you had, well, Bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (02:49:10):
That is which one what I was telling you about
in the ice.

Speaker 3 (02:49:14):
Yeah, well you were driving, okay, it was.

Speaker 2 (02:49:16):
It was in Montana and the Swan Valley and we
were coming back I can't remember. It was a fish
archery or something, and outside the fish archery there was
a like a creek. I don't know what they call it,
Montana stream, I guess, but there was a stream coming
out of the fish hachery. So it was the fish hatchery.

(02:49:39):
Fish some of them had escaped. So this little tiny
stream was filled with fish. I don't remember if it
was trout or what, but filled with fish that had
escaped from the escape from the hatchery or you know,
I don't know what age they escaped, but it was
a tiny stream for this many fish. So we were

(02:50:01):
kind of watching down and looking at the fish and
rock hopping and stuff. Then we went up into the
snow and there was a structure right above the stream.
I mean, perfect like this. You could just munch fish
all day long out of the stream and go up
and into the structure and I don't know if there
I don't know what the structure is for really, actually

(02:50:23):
I mean being a human of structures to climb in.
But I don't know what that species, you know, if
it indeed is a sasquatch artifact. But right above there
was a thing. And then on the way out of
there we hit it's kind of an ice storm and
it was black ice on the road and whatnot. And

(02:50:44):
we were driving back towards Kallis Bell and we're going
around a curve and we're kind of sliding a little
bit in the black ice and stuff, and I was
fighting with the driver about something and I looked over
at him to say some choice words. And in the sawgrass,

(02:51:06):
in the frozen sawgrass, I see this hairy image come
up out of the sawgrass to see what the sound was.
Because no one was on that road. It was just
too dangerous to drive. So it what it looked like
to me was like a gorilla in the zoo in

(02:51:28):
the sawgrass, leaned up on its left arm holding something
in its right arm. I'm assuming an infant or something,
and looked the other way where the sound was coming from,
as opposed to looking at the car, and I was
kind of just, you know, I've been looking, you know,
spit thousands of dollars looking for, you know, a good

(02:51:51):
view of this thing. And then I see one when
when I when I'm with someone with Scotch watched derangement syndrome,
driving on the ice in a storm where there's no
way we could stop, no way we could pull over,
and even if I did, it would have been a fistfight,
for sure. It was one of those days. So I

(02:52:13):
just stared at it, and then it kind of looked
was still looking towards the west, even though we're right
even with it, and then it kind of went down,
and then in the tree line on the other side
of the frozen sawgrass, it looked like there was one
standing there, so I interpreted it as a female with

(02:52:36):
an infant or a young one just hiding in the
sawgrass and then you know, or something and then hearing
the noise and looking up to see what was coming,
because there was just nobody driving around in that ice storm.
So then the big tall one I was. I was

(02:52:58):
staring at it so hard. It was kind of like
in between in between, like a like almost a dream.
Looking it was like it's between reality and a dream somehow,
because it was like the glass was fogged up, you know,
we were going, we're driving, We couldn't you know. I

(02:53:19):
didn't even tell the guy that ice what I saw.
But then I looked at it and I could see
the the legs, no detail, just the legs, the arms,
and the head, you know, human silhouette, but tall and
one color black. And then we were we were gone
out of there, and I was just one of those

(02:53:39):
things where you finally get to Somers. We got to Somers, Montana,
and I just got out kissed the ground because I
thought for sure we were going to go off the
edge of that road with all that ice. So the
only time I actually had a good I wouldn't say
it's a good a good sight, right, but I would

(02:54:01):
say it's probably what I would consider the closest thing
I've had to want. So then you start second guessing yourself.
I mean, it wasn't life changing like some people's, Oh
it changed my life. No, it was just like if
I saw a moose. You know, it's like cool to see,
but you know, I guess I've been researching it so

(02:54:23):
long that I you know, I come just to think
that they exist, so it doesn't shock me at all.
But and then I've talked to a lot of the
Native Americans in the area that's seen the same exact thing,
the same exact depth. And then there's like I said,
the guy that has the the huckleberry store there in

(02:54:46):
West Glacier, I think or Hungry Horse has really good
He employs one hundred and eighty huckleberry pickers and berry
season and they have phones and stuff, and they've got
photographs of the same thing that I saw, and they
I've heard interviews with them and stuff, and so it's

(02:55:11):
it's in the context. Like if I was sitting in
Los Angeles in an apartment and someone told me this,
I say, oh, you're full of bull, you know. But
when you're in the environment itself with other people that
are one hundred percenters, it's it's a different story, you know.
And it's a different culture. It's different, you know. And

(02:55:32):
they they're there all the time. This is like, you know,
Grandpa saw one or uncle saw one or whatever. So anyway,
that was the context of my sort of things. Like
John Bendernagel saw one at a ranch in Kentucky when
they were doing that genome project, and he said, you
just didn't talk about it because you saw saw what

(02:55:55):
looks like a sasquatch. We'realking back and forth by this fence.
And he says, but and it wasn't life changing for him.
It was just like, oh, okay, there it is. I've
already seen his footprints, So why is it a surprise
to see one? I don't know, but yeah, so, and then,
you know, I've talked to Daniel Perez, who talks with

(02:56:17):
such you know, when he talks about the Patterson Gimlin
figure in that it's he's so convinced that it's just like, man,
that's it's gotta be real, you know. And when I
you know, I talk to you guys and whatnot. So
to me, it was no life changing thing. It was
just like, oh, I've been trying to find one, and oh,

(02:56:38):
there it is big. You know, it's like seeing a moose.
It's really cool to see. But I don't see why.
I guess some people think it's life changing. But but
the one that really was kind of more interesting than
that was, you know, in the Bible, there's this story

(02:56:59):
and Ezekiel called the Valley of Dry Bones, where the
guy comes into this valley and there's all these dry bones,
you know, and they're you know they're gonna come alive
or not come alive, or they gonna speak. And anyway,
I went into this one canyon. It was just like that.
I came walking in and there was all these bones,
all dried white, and so I went down the steephen

(02:57:22):
bank but to look at these things. And I found
where this these logs have been taken and smashed down
on these animals, and it looked to me like they
were smashed with the logs and then like eating alive.
And so I went down there and I was taking
pictures and stuff. The pictures I sent you in the

(02:57:43):
Gmail once. But okay, so there's these dead animals.

Speaker 3 (02:57:47):
There got more pictures, Jeff, I don't know they were.

Speaker 2 (02:57:50):
That was in the Gmail photos, the last one they
sent you. But anyway that I'll just describe it that
the log is still laying on this contorted skeleton. And
then so I'm taking pictures of it, saying, man, this
is cool, and I'm thinking, how did this happen? It's
gotta be sasquashed. Yeah, there it is. So there was

(02:58:11):
there was dozens of these. I wouldn't know. That's an exaggeration,
probably eight it's probably eight trees laying on skeletons like this.
Some of Yeah, some of them still had the heads
on some of them.

Speaker 3 (02:58:22):
That's really weird.

Speaker 2 (02:58:23):
And it couldn't have happened post mortem because it would
have shattered the skeletons. The ad the skeletons are still articulated,
there's still so this happened pre mortem, not post mortem,
whether it's still alive. So anyway, some of them had

(02:58:44):
the skulls on, and some of them the skulls were
pulled off and stuff. So I'm taking pictures of it,
and it was deer season, so I have like a
two seventy Winchester slung around my shoulder and I have
this is when I had like the kind of video
camera that's it's digital but you put a chip but
it looks like a thirty five millimeter So it's like

(02:59:05):
dangling on my neck, and I have a you know,
like a daysack on so and big boots, and I'm
walking around taking snapshots and video and stuff because it
was so strange. And there was other species too, like
even horse and cattle and stuff. So anyway, so I'm
walking through the area taking pictures and there's it was

(02:59:26):
kind of like I don't know if you call it
a canyon, but like a little arroyo was like to
the left of that skeleton into the right, but there
was skeletons all over. So anyway, so I'm taking the
pictures and all of a sudden, I hear what people
describe as that bipedal walk and it was it was

(02:59:48):
something big, and it was coming down the adjacent canyon
or royo. It wasn't as big as a canyon, but
you know, like those dry river bed type things with
you know, a hogback on both sides. So he's coming
down the arroyo on the other side of me. And
so I'm looking and waiting for it to appear in
front of me because I'm looking down one canyon, it's

(03:00:11):
coming up the other one, and it's it's going to
be coming out in front of me any minute. And
I can hear it walk, and I mean, it takes
a pretty big animal to hear it walk, so and
it sounded I don't know how to describe it, but
you can sort of tell it's bipedal for some reason,
because I've had moose come through like in the same

(03:00:34):
scenario and go, oh, and now I'll get that moose
gonna attack me or not, or a range bowl or something.
But this sounded like stomp, stop stomp, and so I
didn't know what to do. I says, Okay, do I do? I?
You know? Do I take the safety off my dear
rifle and shoot this thing if it's coming at me?

(03:00:58):
Do I pick up my camera and take up picture?
But I went with door number three and I just ran,
like hell. So that's why there's blurry photos, because if
you're that close to.

Speaker 3 (03:01:09):
Them, it is that Okay. I got another question, So
that that log that was on that one skeleton. Are
these logs that were harvested somewhere else? Were they?

Speaker 2 (03:01:21):
Right?

Speaker 3 (03:01:21):
Well?

Speaker 2 (03:01:21):
I don't know that one. It looks to me like
a birch tree maybe.

Speaker 3 (03:01:25):
Right, But I mean was the root base or the
stump right there too?

Speaker 2 (03:01:30):
You know, I can't remember, but it was a whole tree.
But it was like you could see someone's pulled off
the branches and stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:01:38):
It's not how many how many skeletons and how many trees?

Speaker 2 (03:01:42):
Uh, probably probably just the same look like right here.
Probably I'm guessing six to eight.

Speaker 3 (03:01:51):
Whoa sixty eight of these bones?

Speaker 2 (03:01:55):
Not sixty eight, No, No, sixty eight like probably like
maybe half a dozen.

Speaker 3 (03:02:00):
But they all had a log on top of them
like that.

Speaker 2 (03:02:06):
If they're keeping them alive and just pinning them.

Speaker 3 (03:02:08):
Down, well that's see. Okay. So here's my theory. That
they break the legs or something and they just use
them like you would use your freezer or your refrigerator.
They're not that they obviously they're going to suffer, but
they're alive. They've just injured them so they can't go anywhere.

(03:02:30):
And I could see laying a log on them would
keep them alive, but they wouldn't be able.

Speaker 2 (03:02:35):
To look retorted like it was pain.

Speaker 3 (03:02:38):
Yeah, oh geez, wow.

Speaker 2 (03:02:43):
Somebody heads on. But but here but ray, And one
of the cows was still a cow. It wasn't a skeleton,
but ray.

Speaker 3 (03:02:52):
I've talked to people that have found this kind of
like a bunch of deer where they've all had their
legs broken and one little pile right, and of course
they find the skeletons, but or they find them with
some flesh, but the leg the front legs and the

(03:03:12):
back legs are snapped. Yeah, now that's being done. Yeah,
well it makes sense. What would you do if you
had a chance to catch a deer, you know, good
times and bad, but you don't want to You only
want to eat, you know, like one a day or whatever.
If there's a herd a deer, you take advantage of

(03:03:34):
it and then you can come back tomorrow and there's
another They obviously like fresh meat. They obviously do not
like carrying or rotten meat full of maggots and stuff,
right right, So that's that's I mean, that's if you
really think about it's quite a bit of information there.
Obviously where's once against it's a theory, but what else

(03:03:57):
would do such a thing? No, it's not I know, a.

Speaker 2 (03:04:02):
Game boarding out here wouldn't appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (03:04:04):
If a humans, yeah, exactly. I don't think a human's
gonna see I've come up and put a log on
it live deer.

Speaker 2 (03:04:11):
It's like, really, well, I've come up on poacher's camps
and stuff. But it was the same sort of feeling,
like someone's watching me, yeah, and they could probably knock
me off it, so I just keep walking betend I
don't see nothing. But this was sort of that same feeling.
But it wasn't a poacher. But I never, I never,
like I said, as soon as I had to make

(03:04:33):
a decision. I had three choices, stay in film or
take pictures, just stand my ground with the rifle, or run.
So I was running up that I was running up
this hill. It was really steep. I kept falling on
My hands were like filled with pine needles stuck into
my hand. And I kept running and I finally got

(03:04:54):
to a kind of a ledge and I looked down.
I said, Okay, I got my camera ready, my rifle ready,
my bear spray ready, new underwear ready. You know that
kind of thing. But anyway, so I'm all set. And
it never came out. It never came out, or if
it did, it went diverted to the right.

Speaker 3 (03:05:15):
You've had You've had audio encounters too. Audio I was
talking about. By the way, By the way, no one
knows this. I put a horse on the thumbnail. But
you do a lot of your research on horseback.

Speaker 2 (03:05:29):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that it covers the human set,
It covers the human sound. And I I also think
that that they hunt angle. It's like you said, like
deer and elk and moose. I don't know if they
hunt moose, but I'm assuming, but I think that they

(03:05:52):
think the horse is like a big elk coming through
the woods. It sounds the same. So they winny like
a moose, I mean like a yeah they sound you
know how the course snotty noises and stuff. Orse sounds
a lot like a moose coming through the woods.

Speaker 3 (03:06:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:06:08):
So I was almost thinking that when Patterson and Gimlin
surprised that sasquatch, that it was maybe laying it. I mean,
we talked about other theories, but my original theories it
was laying in weight and it thought that was food
coming down, and the oh, that food's got humans on it,
you know.

Speaker 3 (03:06:24):
So what could have been? Yeah, absolutely, that could have been.
Both of our theories could be right, both of them,
because it could have been laying in wait for a
moose and then it thought it was people, and then
if it had a juvenile with it, it went ooh,
I'm going to go distract these dudes. Instead of it
turning into the forest, I'm going to walk away out

(03:06:46):
in the open and they could follow me and I'm
gonna go up all where the horses can't go. And
that's just what happened, completely in the open.

Speaker 2 (03:06:55):
The other weird thing I heard, like as far as sounds,
wasn't really actually me. But and I think I might
have coocked this on the last time we talked, but
I'm not remembering. But I was huckleberry picking and I
saw a print, a pretty good print, in the huckleberry plants,
and there was a guy that's probably eighty years old

(03:07:17):
picking hunckleberries that comes up. We both pick our heads
up at the same time and jump a foot because
we thought, oh, it was a grizzly berry, you know,
because they ate the huckleberries. And I says, oh, man,
I thought you were a grizzly bearry and he says.
I says, did you see those big tracks? And he goes, yeah,
you really think that was a grizzly huh. So here
this guy believes in sostquatch, you know, so that was
kind of interesting. But anyway, so then I go back

(03:07:40):
to camp and the next morning I was I have
the Coleman stove out and I'm making like whatever food
and then coffee and what not, and this pickup truck
pulls up and the guy comes into camp and he's
talking too me, and he says he's I had my

(03:08:00):
old Series three land rover, you know, those old African
type land rovers. So he saw it. He goes, that's
an interesting vehicle, and he says yeah, and then it's
a like a I don't remember, it was a sixty
eight or something anyway, and it was a big big
foot sticker on the window and he sees He says,

(03:08:21):
do you believe in Bigfoot? And I says, yeah, I
think I kind of do. And he says, I got
to tell you a story. What happened to me this weekend.
He goes to this story about he's in camp. It's
like three four miles from where we were at, and
they heard these really scary screams and howls all night long,
like the ones you hear, you know, on the recordings

(03:08:42):
and whatnot. And so he says, you know, we're really scared,
you know. And then he says he woke up in
the morning and he was alone in camp. Everyone bugged
out left him. So when he woke up, so he
immediately got in his truck and he stopped at the
first human being he could come to because he was
kind of you know, hadn't slept all night. I mean,

(03:09:06):
you know, he didn't. His camping stuff was just basically
thrown in, so so he got something to eat from me,
and he told me the whole story like this, and
he said, last year, in the same area, he was
in a deer blind and on the way to the
deer blind he saw the footprints, like near the huckleberry plants.

(03:09:27):
It's a different time of year, but he saw the footprints.
So he says, Oh, when I get I'm gonna measure
these and take pictures of them after I go hunting,
because I want to get by sunlight. I want to
be in that when sunrise. I want to be in
that deer tree blind. So he comes back into camp.
He he says, so the end of the day, he

(03:09:49):
doesn't get no deer or anything. So he climbs down
the thing and he goes to look for the big
footprints and he finds where they were and this it
looked like this big airy harry and just wipe the
prince away. So I thought that was an intriguing story
that he told me.

Speaker 3 (03:10:07):
That's pretty cool. All right, we got to wind it up.
We're at ten twelve. Holy crap, went quick, ray, we
got to have you back for maybe a member's only show.

Speaker 2 (03:10:18):
Okay, well tell you that.

Speaker 3 (03:10:20):
Yeah, let's do that. Let's do let's do leave everybody
with our wisdom of the week and just stick tight Ray.

Speaker 7 (03:10:30):
Okay tight, We'll be right back.

Speaker 6 (03:10:35):
It's now time for Untold Radio AM Wisdom of the Week.
Remember your dreams are the blueprints of your reality, So
build wisely and take small steps, as they will lead
to monumental journeys. Good night from all of us, have
been told Radio Network.

Speaker 3 (03:11:00):
Right, we're back, and Ray's gone. He's just gone. He's
just abandoned us.

Speaker 2 (03:11:09):
Drink a lot of water.

Speaker 3 (03:11:10):
When it was that's fine, that's.

Speaker 7 (03:11:12):
Fine, that's all good.

Speaker 2 (03:11:14):
Last we had the the podcast, I didn't drink water,
and I got this huge cramp in my thigh and
I was like, oh, I can't let him show that
I got a cramp.

Speaker 3 (03:11:29):
Drink That's okay. We love you Ray, all right, Thanks.

Speaker 2 (03:11:35):
We all really great fun. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (03:11:37):
Yeah, and we want to throw up. I want to
mention Ray has got how many's like sixty eight different publications.
You've had a lot of them, bigfoot publications that kind
of a.

Speaker 2 (03:11:49):
Kind of count.

Speaker 3 (03:11:49):
Okay, go and look up. Can you throw up one
of these magazines? No, that's that's a book.

Speaker 2 (03:11:56):
But they're only here. This one here has everything we
talked about right, I mean as far as the tool structures,
the stone working theologies stuff and then you know that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:12:12):
But he's got this magazine called big what what what's
the name of the magazine, Bigfoot Quest Magazine, And there's
tons of different issues on Amazon. They're extensive. They're like
what five bucks four bucks?

Speaker 2 (03:12:28):
Yeah, like from three bucks up to like some of
them are like hardcovers, so they charge.

Speaker 3 (03:12:34):
More, but they have cool covers, a lot of really
interesting content.

Speaker 2 (03:12:39):
I don't. I don't. I only charge what Amazon does,
so I don't make any profit or anything. I just
do it to get right.

Speaker 3 (03:12:46):
So, but he'd like to get these out to people,
and so if you can support his efforts, go to Amazon,
pick out some of these copies, buy them where they
would appreciate it. Leave some reviews for his magazines. I
know there's a lot of them now, but leave some
nice reviews for him and support his books. So he's

(03:13:12):
he's quite a guy, trust me, this guy is. I mean,
we haven't even skimmed the surface.

Speaker 7 (03:13:18):
I could have talk three hours about flint napping and clovise.

Speaker 3 (03:13:21):
Yeah, of course time but anyhow, well, we'll be back
next week, same time, same channel, and thank you so much, Jeff,
thank you so much, Ray, Thank you everybody in our
audiences and all of our wonderful friends. So good night, everybody,
good good night.

Speaker 8 (03:13:42):
Call you up in the middle of the night and
bothered by dreams and feeling all day. You give me comfort,
say just give.

Speaker 2 (03:13:52):
It some time. By the end of that talk, I'm
feeling just fine.

Speaker 3 (03:13:58):
Always will we be long.

Speaker 4 (03:14:05):
The same ordinary ism.

Speaker 2 (03:14:07):
We can't go in all.

Speaker 3 (03:14:13):
I pick you up and not fifteen our part.

Speaker 2 (03:14:17):
We head on down the road until we.

Speaker 8 (03:14:19):
Care for it, just doing me the sun and go way,
give the racious.

Speaker 2 (03:14:25):
To folly able, head on home again.

Speaker 1 (03:14:29):
Everybody has chancey where we.

Speaker 4 (03:14:32):
Been an ordinary we can't go in all.

Speaker 8 (03:14:43):
At the end of the world together forever it's roll
and our rage. If ever you should be in town
in our pay.

Speaker 2 (03:14:53):
We never cons part.

Speaker 3 (03:14:55):
In our way.

Speaker 4 (03:14:58):
All the time.

Speaker 8 (03:15:00):
It would be together every day, but I knows it
never would be less straight about all way back home.

Speaker 4 (03:15:11):
Again at the end of the world together forever is

(03:15:34):
well in our way.

Speaker 1 (03:15:36):
If ever you should be endowed a compary, they never
compose a part in norway.

Speaker 4 (03:15:45):
At the end of the world together.

Speaker 3 (03:15:48):
Forever is fond in Norway.

Speaker 8 (03:15:51):
If ever you should be endowed, and Hollways they never
compose a part in our way.

Speaker 4 (03:16:01):
Quite a time when we've been together.

Speaker 8 (03:16:04):
We never retain a hand those we never would be
a little straight, and all by the B to pure
again

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