Untold Radio AM #261 Bigfoot Encounters and Animal Reactions with Mark Horban and Greg Roberts

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Looking back on life that you leave him then rested.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Home in the crowd, stick around through.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
The crane, the feeding. Who the fire?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
You dancing around?

Speaker 2 (00:22):
H hearing the sound of treating.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
No one cares where he's coming from.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
My ears are striding feeding.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I guess we are knew from the start the days not.

Speaker 5 (00:51):
You know, one of these days will be the world.

Speaker 6 (00:59):
Looking for answers.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
What it's sass, the test, my cos.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
My cost leading the fumes of the ashes, the spirits

(01:31):
that after.

Speaker 7 (01:34):
Looking down the house.

Speaker 8 (01:36):
We're life from the Untold Radio Network. It's Untold Radio
AF with Monster Quest producer host Doug Hicheck and co
host Jeff Pirella Junior. Untold Radio AM is going live
right now.

Speaker 9 (02:04):
This show is for entertainment purposes only. Yep, that's the ticket.
Now here are your Untold Radio AM hosts Doug Hicheck
and Jeff Corella Jr.

Speaker 10 (02:19):
And here we are.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Hey, how do you always get the first word in.

Speaker 10 (02:25):
Time paying attention? I guess?

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Oh jeez. Welcome to episode.

Speaker 10 (02:30):
Two sixty one.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, thank you, uh and hello to all of the
loyal Antolians.

Speaker 10 (02:38):
Yeah, hi everyone, good to see you here.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, even buttworms in the house.

Speaker 10 (02:42):
Great.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Would I know it's going to be a good shoke
because butt Worm's here.

Speaker 10 (02:47):
Yeah, always makes for the best show.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
So we have an incredible show. Trust me on that.
You're not gonna want to miss this one. You're gonna
want to turn your lights down, relax, getting a good mood.
And how are you, Jeff on this humid, muggy evening.

Speaker 10 (03:03):
Yeah, I'm all right. A tough day, but I'm all right.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, Yeah, I do want to mention kind of a
sad day when political people are assassinated. Yeah, so definitely
prayers go out to the family. Trying to think what
we've got going on tonight. Oh, we've got researchers that

(03:28):
go under the radar, Greg Roberts and Mark Horbin, and
these guys have never I don't think, I know, Mark
hasn't ever shared their stories.

Speaker 10 (03:41):
Probably looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, Yeah, so that's going on tonight. We're gonna kind
of delve on animal reactions and partly because they've had
a big reaction, you know, I mean, they've experiences. But
I do want to put out a call if there's
any anybody in the audience live, whether you're in chat

(04:04):
or not, if you've had some kind of witnessed an
animal reaction, a dog reaction to a bigfoot encounter or
what you think was a bigfoot encounter. We're willing to
let you come on and join us and you can
tell your story tonight, and Jeff's gonna help. He's got
his email address up, so just contact him during the

(04:26):
show at any point and well we'll get John if you've.

Speaker 10 (04:30):
Got a good story, email up so I can see
that's there.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's there, I see it.

Speaker 10 (04:37):
No, I meant get my email.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Oh yes, yes, otherwise you're not gonna be able to
see it. So I've got that going on. And then uh,
you know, if you once again, if you've ever had
a dog or a cat or even a bird something
freak out a pet god, we want to hear from you.
So that's what we're going to be talking about to

(05:00):
we're focused on. We'll be talking about other things. But
this week we're going to have Lightning fast, headline.

Speaker 10 (05:10):
News, Lightning fast, yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Lightning, new word of the week, weird Facts of the Week,
and more. So we've got a pack show. But first
I got to tell this quick story because it kind
of highlights just a slice of my life. So I
worked all day Sunday. You're not supposed to work Sunday.
I had no choice. I worked till about three pm. Finally,

(05:36):
I'm like, God, it's beautiful lot. I got to get
out there. So I grabbed a bet. We hopped in
the cars. You didn't even know where going anywhere. I
was going to go down to Stillwater, beautiful little river town.

Speaker 10 (05:47):
I've been there a long time.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Two hundred years old, and they've done a lot of
work on the on the river walk. So I wanted
to go down there and stroll through the antique shops
and the fud shops and whatever.

Speaker 11 (05:59):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's a cool yeah. Remember bands playing and there were
buskers out there playing their guitar.

Speaker 12 (06:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
And my plan was to do that and then go
have dinner. I had a kind of a place in
mind I want to eat. So we go there, We
do all that, and then we go up to dinner,
and we're gonna go up to the fourth floor of
this I'm not going to mention the name of the hotel,
but it is. I have stayed there. It is for
sure haunted, right, that's a whole nother story. So we

(06:29):
get in the elevator. We're going up to the fourth
floor and a woman kind of dives in and she's
got her little you know, you can tell she's got
her business attire on and her luggage and she's probably
gonna going to a conference staying overnight alone. And we're
were we break a conversation in about you know, have
you ever stayed here? Now it's my first time, and

(06:51):
blah blah blah, and how they had remodeled it, and
all right before she steps out, the elevator door opens
at floor three. She steps out, and right before she
couldn't even react. Really, I go, by the way, this
hotel is really haunted. And then the doors shut. She

(07:12):
had that look on her face and events like slugging me, going,
you're mean, she's not gonna go a wake a sleep,
so you know, yeah, there is. That's exactly what the
look on her face was like. So that was mean,
wasn't it. Yeah, it's what I call streaky, little mischievous.

(07:36):
All right, what do we got. Let's let's go ahead
and run a spot because we're creeping up on a
I cannot believe how quick time is going. The New
York Bigfoot Conference spot.

Speaker 8 (08:00):
Stories.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
They came with their crew.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
From the abolition hollers to the cabin's roof.

Speaker 7 (08:12):
The New York Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Conference just offers more convincing proof sasquats believers the skeptics
to under one big Gerna with a curious crew, vendor

(08:35):
boots and Shilli.

Speaker 13 (08:36):
Fries criptin shirts.

Speaker 6 (08:39):
And every size bigfoot root.

Speaker 12 (08:46):
This sum.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Five just the other day.

Speaker 8 (08:55):
And I don't believe what I this fat look like
a sasquah shall.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Big Fuckrea, don the gooice. The man was gonna leave, camera.

Speaker 7 (09:16):
Says he heard the howl.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
By a creek so quiet. You're an old church tower.
Walma saw foot friends. That's big as a play, she said,
I froze in the woods. I couldn't escape.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
Celebrity speakers, camera flast selling big funding books on your
morning's task. Big but the risk.

Speaker 7 (09:50):
The evidence is melting here after.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Leader spotted him just the other day.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
A shadow play, big floaty, don't look away.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
Come to the New York big Foot Conference and believe.

Speaker 10 (10:34):
That's a great that's a great spot. Sorry, I don't
mean to cut you off. I got my finger got
a little twitchy there.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, I did, always does.

Speaker 10 (10:39):
That's okay. I'm used to it to keep things moving.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I'm used to it. All right, let's get into some news.

Speaker 10 (10:47):
All right, are you ready? Are you done talking?

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yes? I don't hit it.

Speaker 9 (10:52):
Untold radio news that can be a bit weird, is
right now?

Speaker 2 (11:03):
All right? A seventy two year old man was critically
injured by a rare black bear attack. And what's even
weirder is that this bear was only seventy pounds that attacked,
which is, yeah, that's really rare. So he was hospitalized
on Friday, September fifth, being mauled in rural northwest Arkansas.

(11:28):
State Wildlife officials said the mally took place thirty six
hours earlier in Franklin County and marked the first known
black bear attack in the state quarter century. So it's
been a while apparently, yeah, he said it was a horrific.

(11:49):
Encounter occurred as the Senior Gentleman road attractor near Mulberry
Mountain along State Highway twenty three, also known is the
Pig Trail sceneic byway. Apparently, the agency responded to the scene. Apparently,
the black bear walked up a hill during during a

(12:11):
vehicle free Wednesday at Cade's Cove at the Great Smoky
Mountains National Park and got this guy and it's just
it's crazy because seventy pounds is not a very big bear. No,
so apparently he took a lot of damage from this
bear of severe cuts, puncture wounds to his head, his arms,

(12:35):
and the victim had been working on his tractor on
a gravel road. So there you go.

Speaker 10 (12:42):
You never know, right, Yeah, I mean that's bizarre. I
wouldn't be very afraid of a black bear.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Not seventy pounds. I mean that's barely a yearling. Yeah,
I don't get it. Whatever dex stuff. Fishermen are stunned
after really in a shark with a never before seen mutations.
Apparently it was an orange shark, and that is a

(13:11):
little odd. Although it's a little brownish, it's still very orange.
So it says here the fisherman was stunned after reeling
in a shark with never before seen mutations. He said,
we saw an orange globe below the water. He said,
the movie Jaws may not have been scary if you
could have seen the shark coming. So this was a

(13:33):
really bright orange and it's apparently a nurse shark. You know,
they've got white eyes and no visible irises. Per the
Times that first reported it, and apparently it says in
marine biodiversity this year, the orange and yellow skin indicates

(13:55):
that it has two conditions called and theism and this
and say it again, I would say zen susan. Yeah,
there you go, good job, Jeff might go to pronunciation guy.

(14:15):
Apparently it says due to skin pigmentation and albino zan
crowism characterized by white eyes. Yeah, whatever that is. So
it's the first documented case in the Caribbean.

Speaker 10 (14:33):
Weird.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
So there you go. That's an orange nurse shark. Hopefully
they let it go.

Speaker 10 (14:39):
Yeah, pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
And then a massive alligator was bagged in Mississippi and
it apparently fall It fell just short of the record. Now,
this gator was fourteen foot. That's smokes and I know
they get up to past twenty Yeah, so if you
can imagine a past twenty games ag gator, and says

(15:01):
this group was hoping to fill a tag acquired by
a man named Jimmy A had spotted the twelve foot
gator before the noon start of the season, but a
different alligator making what Appleton described as a with a
guttural growl, turned out to be a significantly larger dude, Yeah,

(15:27):
it's a dinosaur.

Speaker 10 (15:28):
Probably could eating. Though you ever eat an alligator? I
love alligator, yeah I have, but no, I don't like it.
Oh really I do. I like it a lot kind
of rubbery, yeah, none, if it's done right, but well,
kind of similar to turtle and frog legs, which I
like all three of those.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I've eaten frog legs and I've eaten turtle, you know,
once again, not like, oh gee, I can't wait to
have turtle or frog legs, but they used to have
the anchor and remember all you can eat frog legs.

Speaker 10 (15:54):
Sure, and I got Actually I'm not as big a
fan of turtle and frog legs, but I really do
like alligator tails.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I would get dragged by family buffe and I was like, OK,
whatever went in Rome? And speaking of reptillians, we have
a terot sword that was killed in a violent storm
and apparently they solved how it was killed one hundred

(16:21):
and fifty million years later, which is kind of interesting. Yeah,
these are little bones, you know, they're not very big.
But apparently the one hundred and fifty year old fossils
belong to a pair of Terostare hatchlings, both of whom
appear to have perished in a spectacularly violent weather storm.

(16:43):
So there you go. And I was like, is that
important to know? I guess, I don't know who. It's
kind of cool, well, I guess. And then first hard
proof of bear gladiator fights in Rome have surfaced. You
know these, I was in the movies. They would show
them fighting lions and tigers and bears once in a while,

(17:09):
but there was never any proof of it, which is
terribly barbaric. But that's what people did for entertainment. I guess. Yeah,
it says the archaeologist analyze the battered brown bear skull
by a third century Amphi theater in Serbia. I was

(17:30):
apparently cage had cage two teeth, a healed head wound
in the works. So there you go. So it confirmed
that the you're scene was in the combat arena.

Speaker 10 (17:46):
Interesting, there you go.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Now we know that. And then a giant whale carcass
made headlines I believe in Ireland. It had fifty seven
foot female fin whale washed up on the West Court
with shark bite marks. And uh, it says people were
warned to stay back because you know, why do you

(18:10):
know why? They were warned to stay back. Yeah, they
blow up, they explode which it. Yeah, I saw a
video of it once and I went, oh my god,
what a mess.

Speaker 10 (18:26):
Not only is it exploding whale, it's rotten exploding whale.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Horrible, but it's I would imagine that scientists do get
some data on what killed the whale and measurements and
you know, so there's something that's gained from it. And
then now let's do this really quick news and we
may go to this format. We'll see for the future.

(18:54):
Let's see how it goes. Yeah, it's time for weird
and fast knees. All right, First up a ground Apparently
ground squirrels have taken over a North Dakota town. Residents

(19:16):
of a small North Dakota city are grappling with an unexpected,
unexpected invasion by ground squirrels. Now, what in the hell
is a ground squirrel compared to a tree squirrel? Jeff,
do you know they burrow?

Speaker 10 (19:31):
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I don't I don't I guess I don't really know.

Speaker 10 (19:36):
Maybe they must burrow, they must burrow, I would think,
I guess I don't know what else. The other the
distinction would be I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
I don't know Apparently these critters have become so numerous
in this town they've earned the towns serious scrutiny and frustration.
I would imagine it looks exactly like.

Speaker 10 (19:52):
That illustration, precisely like that, precisely photographic realism. It's cool, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Photo. The next photo nine, apparently a whale surfaced, speaking
of whales, and capsized a fishing boat. Not fun. It says,
a routine day on the water turned into chaos when
a whale surfaced right next to the fishing vessel and
capsized it. Thankfully, no serious injuries were reported, but it's

(20:23):
safe to say the boaters won't forget that splashy encounter.

Speaker 10 (20:27):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
And then apparently in Switzerland a man got a speeding
fine of one hundred and ten thousand dollars and the
guy wasn't mad. He said he could afford it. And
what makes the story, like I said, even stranger, is
that he's like, yeah, no, problem, won't be it.

Speaker 10 (20:52):
Yeah, and again that's photographic realism.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
It looked exactly like that, yeah, exactly, oh yeah, yeah,
the cop was there with the checker. And then more
photo realism. Three elves pedal from Germany to Finland. This
is a true thing going on, Yes, the actual ones
in a heartwarming rush of holidays spirits. A little early,

(21:15):
three individuals dressed as elves embarked on a cycling journey
from Germany town named Saint Nicholas and headed to Finland's
Santa Claus Village. It's a chart, says here. It's a
charming reminder that festive cheer knows no bounds. So enough

(21:36):
of that crap, That's what I say. So there you go.
All right, well we're not totally out of the ones
on news stuff, but let's do the weird fact of
the week.

Speaker 10 (21:46):
Here we go.

Speaker 9 (21:48):
It's now time for untold radio weird fact of the week.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
That is kind of weird, all right.

Speaker 12 (22:00):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, it's a little kind of like hip hop.

Speaker 7 (22:04):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Banana plants are technically an herb, not a tree, So
I need a banana. You're eating an herb. Even though
they grow tall with trunks and leaves like a tree,
Banana trees don't produce true woody tissue. Instead, what looks
like a trunk is really just a tight it's just
tightly packed leaf stalks. So so in botanical terms, it

(22:33):
forms the banana plant forms a pseudo stem called a
corm c O r M corm. What in the world
is my phone off? Yeah, we have to put money
in this in the jar, right, don't tell anybody, No,
I won't it, but I'll put them I'll put the

(22:54):
twenty five cents in the jar. Plus it was a
scam call, which.

Speaker 10 (22:59):
Is area course all I ever get. It seems like,
oh man.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
They come in like crazy. Yeah, we take it to
my age. They really come in. So apparently the corm
is this pseudo stem, and the banana belongs to the
same family as lilies and orchids, which means that your
morning banana comes from the world's largest herb. And yet

(23:25):
bananas are a distant cousin to ginger. Now, next time
you're eating your banana, you're eating a ginger cousin.

Speaker 10 (23:34):
That's cool. I didn't know that. Yeah, I love bananas.
They're good for you.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Don't eat too many though, Yeah, no, you don't eat
too many. Let's do new Word of the week.

Speaker 10 (23:49):
It's for a while fun.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Here we go.

Speaker 9 (23:54):
It's time for Untold Radio's new word of the Week,
a word you can use that is designed to help
you cope with modern times. The word of the week
is snack a lunch, the avalanche of snacks falling when
you open the cupboard.

Speaker 10 (24:31):
It's an important public service message like that one.

Speaker 12 (24:35):
It is.

Speaker 10 (24:37):
Yeah, it happens. Happened to me.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Oh, it happens all the time to me. You've got
one shopping tonight, and so next time I go to
the cboard, it'll be a snack a lanch. Some houses
have really small pantries, Yeah, I do. That's the case
in mile.

Speaker 10 (24:55):
Yeah, I got stuff to stack on there. Yeah, it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
You have to stack like the chip on top of
each other. You have to build a tower and when
you open the thing, they topple over.

Speaker 14 (25:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Anyhow, let's get let's get into our clips.

Speaker 10 (25:10):
Clip time.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
All right. Well, the first one was sent to me
by John Ayres. I didn't originate with John Ayres, but
he saw it thought I might be interested, which of
course I am. And it's a really cool some photos.
There's two of them. It's just it's a sequential so
it's almost video, right, you can play back to back.

(25:41):
This is the first photos of a whale eating a sperm,
whale eating a giant squid.

Speaker 10 (25:48):
That's cool. That's what I saw I actually saw that
on something. That's really a cool pitchure.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, it is cool, So thank you John for that,
and obviously I'm interested in with that. I was talking
emailing with History Channel just today about the giant squid
that we got. So next as a real clip. Sound
is good?

Speaker 10 (26:10):
Actually nosing I missed too, and I missed to come
through another one. I forget that. We'll get to it,
but we got clip we have. I have clip three
ready to go here.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
All right, So have you ever heard of the spotted phenolica?
There you go. This is a beautiful animal from Madagascar.
It's a family member of the weasel. I look at that,

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and that is cool, isn't it? And Madagascar courses off
the coast of Africa.

Speaker 10 (26:53):
Yeah, I got some really unique wildlife there and isolated.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I think there's a Disney cartoon there about. I can't
remember it, but I've seen it. Was kind of all right.
Clip four, I guarantee you have never seen a bridge
so freaky. Ever, this is Shiga you know.

Speaker 7 (27:26):
Him?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Well?

Speaker 10 (27:31):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, that's weird, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (27:34):
Yeah? It's uh.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
I think those boards are tied together with rope. All right,
hopefully you have clip five and if you need rocks,
here's one one way to get them. Don't ever try this.
This is absolutely insane. I don't even know how he
put him on his back, but go ahead and watch it.

Speaker 10 (28:05):
You gotta kidding you.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
You think you have a tough day, very good job.

Speaker 10 (28:30):
That's enough, I suppose. So there's a will, there's a way.
That's nuts.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Oh my god. And clip six has been on the news.
Hopefully you got this one. It was I was surprised
to see it on the front page of Yahoo today.
This is kind of mind shattering, legit it is. He's
going to be just taking a second. He's going to
be talking about a UFO that was either shot down

(28:58):
by an m Q nine to row using a Hellfire
missile or and it was being filmed by an MQ
nine drone or the Hellfire missile bounces off the UFO.
So either the bounced off hellfire is the UFO or whatever.
I can't quite interpret it, a little hard to read,

(29:18):
but this is real footage. Couldn't play it.

Speaker 15 (29:21):
I want to cue up a video that I've been given,
and as before it starts, I'm going to describe This
was taken October thirtieth of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
This video is of an m.

Speaker 15 (29:32):
Q nine drone tracking an orb or this object off
the coast of Yemen. You'll see that another m Q
nine launched a hellfire missile that you cannot see that
drone and so you'll and I'm not going to explain
it to you, you'll see exactly what it does.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Here we go, gotta be patient. There it is. It

(30:15):
looked like it just a ricocheted off the thing.

Speaker 10 (30:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, but you can investigate more of yourself. Apparently it's
on the front page news today.

Speaker 10 (30:30):
It's been all over social media.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah. Well I downloaded that clip like days ago, so
glad it made it on there. It's fascinating. And you know,
I don't know what year this was taken, but I
would imagine they've been shooting these things, shooting at them
for a long time. Yeah, like you can only imagine.

Speaker 10 (30:50):
Yeah, we're seeing a small fraction of what's happened. I'm sure. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
So the question is, I'll leave us a common Do
you think the UFO went down or did the YOUAP
dodge it or was it it? I don't know, Yeah, crazy,
somebody should know all right, then clip seven. Sound is good.
This is fascinating because I don't know why this took

(31:14):
so long to discover. But if you rotate the magnet,
it will do other weird things to another magnet and levitate.
We'll go ahead and play.

Speaker 16 (31:25):
This, and you can't have a stable equilibrium with static
magnetic field. But an interesting thing happens. When you take
a magnet on its end and spin it really fast
around ten thousand rpm. A second magnet will actually be
attracted to it, but then as it gets closer, it's repelled.
So the result is a magnetic trap that levitates it

(31:45):
in the air. It can capture it and hold on
to the magnets, creating a magnetic potential. Well, notice this
attraction when it's further away, but then as I try
to push it closer, there's a resistance here. It goes
to higher than the way to the ball. So the
south pole of this magnet is jutting out a little
bit more. Once it's attached. In order to stay attracted

(32:06):
to the floating magnet, it has to be able to vibrate.
If you stop it from vibrating, it gets ejected. So
if the driving magnet were not spinning, the floating magnet
would just orient itself parallel to the magnetic field and
get sucked in. But if you rotate the magnet fast enough,
by the time it starts to move to where it
was going, you've already swapped the poles, so it begins
to chase the wrong pole, so it follows the field

(32:28):
by one hundred and eighty degree phase shift called phase lag,
resulting in an anti parallel alignment. This isn't possible if
the field were static. This effect can be seen by
anyone if you have a dremol or a drill that
spins fast and some magnets that you can attach to
it like I did in a previous video here, But
be careful since these are moving at high RPMs. If
you don't get it right, the magnets can fly off

(32:50):
at high speed. So this is a really neat phenomenon
that needs to be explored more. It could have some
important roles to play in the description of atoms and
sub atomic particles, since they all have magnetic moments as well.
What's crazy about this is this phenomenon isn't found in
textbooks anywhere because it's so new and it's not widely known.

Speaker 10 (33:11):
That's crazy. How on Earth has no one figured that
out before? That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I'm surprised I've never tried.

Speaker 10 (33:19):
It me too, that's kind of That's exactly the kind
of thing that I would have done too, and I
just never did.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Magnets are very, very fascinating fun to play with. Do
you have clip eight?

Speaker 10 (33:30):
Yeah? The only one I don't. I didn't get is ten,
so I thanks for.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Not keeping me guessing clip clip eight sounds good. If
you could imagine having polar bears running around your neighborhood
at night. They have to have these patrols out are men.
They have dog packs of dogs to chase them out
of town. But go ahead and play this kind of fast.

(34:00):
Keep in mind, this is the biggest predator on the planet.

Speaker 10 (34:13):
Yikes's. Polar bears are one of the very few animals
that see humans as food. So if they're after you,
you either you have to kill it or find another
way to escape. They will not stop. They're very dangerous.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
And then clip nine, do you know where the biggest
Do you know where the biggest kaleidoscope in the world is.

Speaker 10 (34:32):
Jeff, Nope, but we're gonna find out.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
I bet we are, and it is about to open
up to the public in Las Vegas, of all places.
It's called the Infinity Museum. Let's watch.

Speaker 14 (34:45):
Here's a sneak peak of an attraction about to open
in Las Vegas. This is the world's largest kaleidoscope and it,
along with six other attractions that are unlike anything you've
ever seen before, are part of Infinity Museum. Get ready
to pause to read all the details. Tickets start around
twenty six dollars for an adult and this is easily
the coolest immersive attraction I've ever been to. With the

(35:06):
VIP package, you get these glasses and when you put
them on, it turns the light fields into little glittering hearts.
Each room is different and unique, with plenty of space
to play, and with the light fields and colors constantly shifting,
the photo opportunities are endless. Usually I get in and
out of an immersive attraction in about twenty minutes because
I've seen so many of them. The time really got

(35:27):
away from us here and when we were done, my
children wanted to go through it again. This is located
in the Boulevard Mall, about a mile and a half
from all of the major resorts. It is a really
special experience and one that you should go out of
your way to check out if you can.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
I'll put more details in the comments. Follow me, FROs.

Speaker 10 (35:44):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Do you remember those kaleidoscopes to it? Always get where
we were kids? You all love to remember those? Yeah? Good,
you hold them up to the window and spin them,
and yeah, get bored in about two seconds. You remember those? Sure,
and then you lose it, and then for some reason
someone will give you another.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
One a year later.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I don't get it. Yeah, I don't know where did
all my kaleidoscopes go?

Speaker 10 (36:11):
Yeah, I had more than a few.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
And then I think we have a bonus clip. Yeah, okay,
this is a I'm gonna get to our guests. But
this is a clip of a daytime or But there's
been so many recorded lately, Like I mean, I'm getting
bombarded with them. Go ahead, And of course there's the

(36:41):
skeptics saying they're healium balloons, and of course they could be.
However unlikely healum balloons can just suddenly dart off like that. Right. Yeah,
I've seen these. I've seen orbs in the daytime twice,

(37:01):
and that's exactly what they do. They can move really
quick and they're really weird. Then Clip twelve is a
fitting clip because it's about the sound is good. It's
about a dog's reaction to a possible bigfoot. So the

(37:50):
question is is that big? You can see how big
it and tall it is, so it's real footage and
not y I. But I saw this footage I think
two three years ago, kind of before AI was prevalent,
and it is a lockdown camera. You know, it looks legit.

(38:11):
I don't know if the bigfoot looks legit, but you know,
I tried to look at it. It's not too many
red legs, but look at the height of it.

Speaker 10 (38:20):
Yeah, sure, it looks massive.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
It doesn't move natural though, So that's my red leg.
It's the one red leg. All right, it's enough. Well,
there you go, and that is a fitting segue to
our guests. Yeah, so let's we got two of them.
I believe they're both in the back room. So let

(38:42):
me introduce Greg Roberts first. Since two thousand and eight,
Greg has been a dedicated bigfoot researcher and investigator. He
has had dozens of direct encounters. Hopefully we'll hear about
some of that stuff. He has also worked in affiliation
with the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization and has also been

(39:04):
a resource for the North American Bigfoot Center, located outside Portland.
I believe he's talking about Cliffs Museum and Boring, Oregon.
I believe, not sure. His years of research and investigation
has led to several findings that he was the first

(39:24):
to call attention to and then Mark Mark Horban Mark
was born in Bellflower, California. His family then moved to
southern Oregon when he was about six years old. He
grew up riding motorcycles, dirt bikes, and doing other activities
in the woods and and you know, nearest town and beyond.

(39:49):
He said, he became very familiar with the outdoors. He
had heard stories growing up, but I was discounted them
until his own personal encounter in nineteen eighty five, shortly
after graduating high school. He then became interested in the subject.
God loan, imagine that job, Yeah, imagine his is that

(40:12):
that experience left an impression on him that sparked a
lasting interest in Bigfoot. So with that, uh, let's welcome
Greg Roberts and Mark Horbite Just.

Speaker 10 (40:26):
A second, all right, and welcome Mark, and welcome Greg.
Good to see you guys.

Speaker 7 (40:46):
Hello, did to see you guys too? Hey Mark?

Speaker 6 (40:49):
Hello, Hey Greg.

Speaker 12 (40:51):
Yeah, I'm the only one wearing headphones here. Had to
get that going, you know, it's okay?

Speaker 10 (41:00):
Well, I Doug, your mic is muted.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Oh there we go. See that's they gotta put another
quarter in the jury.

Speaker 10 (41:11):
Don't tell anybody anyhow.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Welcome guys. I'm glad glad to find you'll have you on.
Greg and I met Mark yesterday. We had quite a
good conversation. But let's go ahead, and let's just wanted.

Speaker 6 (41:27):
To join us too.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
There's the real star of this that was briefly Oh yeah,
there's I love that animal. He is truly an amazing animal.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Can you call Opa over so we get a look
at us.

Speaker 12 (41:41):
I can try, but he doesn't really. Hey, come here, lazy.
That's about as that's about how much he listens to me.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Man, Opa Opa is seventy five percent timberwolf correct.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
Yeah, And he's got a little bit of mallamet and.

Speaker 12 (42:01):
Shepherd outiful DNA papers that I've got with him.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
And he's obviously well trained.

Speaker 12 (42:09):
Yeah, well, yeah, well trained to do what he wants
to do unless you have beef, jerkey or pepperoni, then
he'll kind of do some stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, I owned a husky and a wolf hybrid that
I absolutely loved and had for many many years. He
was an amazing dog, the only dog I've ever owned
that actually tried to talk. He would try to, you know,
lip words, but he would never bark. He just growled.
God forbid, if any stranger ever asked him to shake

(42:43):
hands or do anything, he would just he would literally
attack people.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
Oh wow, But so I.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Kind of know what you're dealing with. You know, they're
very independent because yeah, because of the.

Speaker 6 (42:56):
And it's taken me a while.

Speaker 12 (42:57):
I mean I've had him since he's four months old,
and the trick is just getting him out and socializing
them because they have that that leariness of everything, and
it turns into a fear, and the fear turns into aggression.
And yeah, he didn't bark too when I was younger,
and he learned to bark from my older dog, which thanks,

(43:20):
you know. So now when there's a mailman or something,
he'll boo, you know, he'll kind of let out a
bark or so.

Speaker 6 (43:27):
But it's not like her. She's a barking machine.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
So well, she's very beautiful, and we're going to talk
about an experience that Greg and you had with Apah.
Should we just start right there?

Speaker 13 (43:43):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, Gregg, let me start.

Speaker 7 (43:46):
Yeah, because I was the reason the whole thing happened.
And yeah, you know, having been actively involved investigating and
researching since two thousand and eight, one thing I have
uncovered is there is a lot of evidence out there
of a relationship between bigfoot and coyotes. But what we

(44:08):
had far less of was what's going on We're bigfoot
and wolves overlap. And I kept looking and even out
of Minnesota, where I have heard recordings of bigfoots vocalizing
and wolves howling. In fact, one of the episodes of
Finding Bigfoot they aired some of the clips that the
guys in Minnesota Bigfoot abe and the rest of the

(44:31):
guys recordings they had been able to get, but I
couldn't find anywhere where they had tried to go out
and try and learn more about what that relationship might
be between wolves and bigfoot. So fast forward to this year,
this past spring, and I meet Mark and Appa. Mark

(44:52):
had been following me on Southern Oregon Bigfoot Seeker for
quite a while. He also followed the other page. The
hat shows you rogueweather dot com and he approaches me
through a message and says, hey, I know you're doing
a talk about wolves and bigfoot. I got a wolf.
I'll bring you my wolf. And I'm like, okay. Only

(45:14):
two times in my life have I ever heard people
make that claim. And then when they showed me the
animal they actually had, Okay, there was some legitimacy to
the wolf claim. One had a one hundred percent pure
Arctic wolf, a female, and he picked her up as
a puppy out on the tundra when he was working
the North Slope as an oil field worker. Had no

(45:37):
idea what he had got. Ironically, that video you showed
to the polar bear and the dogs and the guy
with the slug gun ready just in case, Well, my
friend brings this wolf pup, not knowing it's a wolf
pup back to the camp he was working at. He
sets her up in his plates. A week later, Alaska

(45:57):
Fishing Game comes to make sure they're plying at the
camp to be not causing polar bears to want to
come in, and he says to the biologist, oh, hey,
you've got to see what I picked up out on
the tundra. I found this puppy wandering around out there,
and the biologist is like, really, show me, And as
soon as he saw it, he goes, that's an Arctic

(46:17):
wolf pup. And my buddy Todd had no idea what
he actually had on his hands. Well, the biologist sat
there and talked to him a little bit about what
was going on, but he observed Shasta with Todd and
then he told him. He goes, now, I've got bad
news for you. That animal is very heavily imprinted on you.

(46:38):
We can never return her to the wild. So when
Todd tells me I've got a wolf, well, I go
over to his house. He's the one person in my
life I've met so far that truly had a wolf.
She was a one percent, no doubt about it. So
when Mark's telling me I got a wolf, okay, I
want to see it. So he shows up at this

(47:00):
sportsman show here in Medford where I'm doing a talk
on bigfoot and wolves. In the second he got Opa
in front of me. I went, oh wow. The only
way I knew Apa was not truly a wolf. The
legs were too short and he's got doggy ears. And

(47:20):
if Mark kind of slides over and we get his
ears up again at long different shape in the ears,
that was it. He's one hundred and sixty five pounds
body weight. He has the mass of a wolf. He
has the look of a wolf. If somebody told me
they saw a wolf in the woods and it was

(47:41):
Apa and they described this, I would absolutely believe them because,
like I said, except for shorter legs and doggy ears,
that's a wolf.

Speaker 10 (47:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
And I had a.

Speaker 12 (47:56):
When I took him to that show with Greg there,
realized they had the Wolves of Yellowstone show going on there,
which was the wolves that they use in the series.
So when I walked in the door with him, it was,
oh my gosh, you know, I didn't. It took me
a long time to just to get to his booth

(48:16):
because I kept getting stopped and are you a Wolves
of Yellowstone?

Speaker 2 (48:19):
And no, no.

Speaker 12 (48:20):
So I ended up actually taking him and seeing them
and which actually surprised me because they were they're hybrids
to you know, but they're a lot lot you know,
half the size that.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
How much does ap away five?

Speaker 10 (48:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (48:39):
And that's actually me kind of whole Like when I
take it to the vet, and it was that was
another thing as fun finding a vet you know that
actually will we'll take them and and I've got a
great vet that is really good with them. But uh,
you know, the scale is only so big, and he

(49:00):
steps off of the side, so I'm kind of having
to hold him up, you know, hold him on that
so he doesn't keep stepping off. So it's going, you know,
the thing's going one eighty one, and he goes down
one sixty five, and you know, and I'm letting him
go and it goes up and they're like, well, he's
one sixty five. And and then because I get drugs

(49:20):
for like Fourth of July and stuff, because he's as
soon as something like that goes off, fireworks, he's in
the closet.

Speaker 7 (49:27):
You know.

Speaker 12 (49:27):
He'll bust through the door of the bedroom here, dive
in the closet and hide. And every time I give him.

Speaker 6 (49:34):
Those drugs, I have to give it more. I actually
have to dose him a little higher.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
So mark, your your mic is working so well? Can
you move it like twist it down, oh farther from
your mouth. No, it's fine, it's about that. Usually we
have the opposite problem. It's awesome. Yeah, usually with me,
just try to move it or job. Maybe you can
turn the game down a little bit, trouble, turn your

(49:59):
game down a little bit.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
That figures we spent there, there we go, We.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Got I just kind of want everybody at the same level.
All right, So you guys go, you take Apa and
you go out in the woods. What was your goal, Greg,
Why did you want to bring up an animal like
a wolf out of the woods.

Speaker 7 (50:17):
Yeah, you know, I got to know Appa more over time.
I had more time to be with him, socialize with him,
you know, get to get to read him. And I
got to thinking about, Okay, what if I can get
him into an area that I know Bigfoot is going
to be and we may potentially run into wild wolves.

(50:40):
I want to see how much his natural instincts kick in,
because again, he's seventy eight percent Northern timber wolf, the
true wolf to this area, which means in ancestry they've
been encountering Bigfoot. So it's got to be hardwired in

(51:04):
there somewhere, I'm thinking. So we get together on the
night of August twenty second, and I'm in the lead
in my car, and we've got Mark and Chris his
brother along with Appah. They're following along behind me, and
we're heading up to this area that sits right on

(51:24):
the edge of the wilderness area that I had my
first encounter in in nineteen eighty four. This area at
this time of the year, the Bigfoot family group I
have been following since twenty eleven is in there because
of the presence of berries. There's also springs in there,
north facing slopes with timber. They have all the things

(51:47):
that they like there. So we're driving up the road.
They're behind me. I come around this bend in the
road and then my bright lights are lighting up the
road up in front of me, and there's a straight
stretch and all of a sudden, there's a shadow on
the left hand side of the road where there shouldn't
be a shadow, and I'm looking at that and I'm one, what,

(52:09):
And all of a sudden, the shadow moves and I've
got two big yellow eyes staring back at me from
probably about nine feet off the ground. And then all
of a sudden, that shape, that shadow kind of wooped
and went down off the left hand side of the road.
I slam on the brakes and I'm like, did I
really just see that was that imagination? Do I have

(52:31):
too much bigfoot on the brain. I'd never had a
road cross siding, or I'd never had a sighting of
one at the side of the road before. Never, So
when it happens the first time, even though I've had
a lot of experience with them, I still am kind
of questioning and I'm still, man, I don't know. Wow,

(52:55):
that just was there and it was gone. So I
drive up the road. We get up a little bit
and there's a wide spot area. We get out and
I immediately run over to Mark and I go, oh,
my gosh. When I hit the brakes, here's what I
saw in the van. Opa wants out and Chris is

(53:15):
telling us, hey, Opa wants out. Mark says, no, make
sure he's on the lead. He comes boiling out of
that van around the vehicles and he immediately goes on
point and he's staring into the woods in the direction
where that thing was headed. And I mean he's on point.
If you know what bird dogs look like when they're

(53:38):
on point, ready to flush something, that's pretty much the
same posture he had. And he's staring intently down in
those trees. What he's seeing. I don't know what he's hearing.
I don't know, but he was locked in on something.
He knew something was down there, and I was kind
of blown away and going, WHOA. Well, then Mark, tell

(54:02):
me what happened in the van?

Speaker 6 (54:04):
Oh yeah, so bef.

Speaker 12 (54:07):
Just about just before Greg had stopped, we had the
windows rolled down, and you know, this was a long
long It's a long ways out there. I mean there
was some open range way before that, and APA's running
back and forth and he wants to see what's out.
You know, he's excited because you know, anytime he take

(54:29):
it for a ride, he gets excited.

Speaker 6 (54:31):
But right before that he had gotten on.

Speaker 12 (54:34):
Alert inside our van, and I thought it was kind
of strange because he kept pushing his head out my
brother's side, and then he'd come over to my side
push his head out. And then just right after that,
Greg had stopped, and you know, and I'm like, what
is he looking at? So I'm trying to look and
I don't see anything. Well, so then we continued on

(54:57):
and about maybe two turns after that, I thought I
seen eye shine. I didn't see any masks.

Speaker 10 (55:04):
I just thought I.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
Seen something in the tree. You know, maybe really hard
to tell where that was. I was trying to focus
on it as where like a dark shadow. No, actually
just eyes.

Speaker 12 (55:18):
I didn't see good well, because there was a there
was a dark shadow in that area, but it was
it was probably the tree because we had turned just
the way the road was. It had turned enough to
where I couldn't see the that tree anymore. Just still
just a dark shape there, you know. But I thought
I've seen something.

Speaker 6 (55:39):
You know, and uh, I didn't.

Speaker 12 (55:43):
Didn't give it much thought actually until we had stopped
that first place. And then Greg says, he's he goes, I,
you know, I've seen a mass and I seen eye shine.
So well, that's funny because a turn or two later
before we did the turn, just before it, I seen
something on the same side of the road. And uh
and then that's you know, we let off out and

(56:05):
and he's kind of on high alert looking down that
down the road right you know, back where we were,
so uh f from that point, you know, we uh,
we get back in and we head back up to
Greg's point point, which was probably how what another mile

(56:25):
or two Greg.

Speaker 7 (56:28):
From where we we stopped stopped. The pocket is about
a mile and a half. It's just under a mile
and a half.

Speaker 10 (56:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (56:36):
Yeah, So we had got up there, turned around and
it's just uh just basically the road cut in. It's
an old you could tell it's an old fire road,
you know, yea, And uh, we had turned around. I
had parked my van on the ridge next to the ridge,
on the upper part of it, and Greg was more

(56:56):
part where the middle. So we set up all our
stuff and actually I took off out and he was fine,
just peeing on stuff. Actually I watched my brother take
him down the road with him. I had a thermal
imager that I borrowed, and I watched him pee and
then do his little circle and he looks for a
place to poop. And apparently that's a lot of wolves

(57:19):
do that they're marking, and that's what he does. It's
like it takes me an hour at night to take
him outside just to poop, because he'll go around twenty
times and then poop right at the same spot that
he kept looking at.

Speaker 6 (57:31):
So he did that.

Speaker 12 (57:32):
Everything's fine, We get our stuff out. I actually have
a big bed for him from Costco that I put
down on a tarp right smack in front of us.
And so you know, my brother took him down, did that.
He was fine, and then we're just sitting there and
it's very quiet. It was absolutely no sounds up there,

(57:57):
no wind, nothing, And so my brother says, well, I'm
going to take him down the road again. So he
takes him down the road and he's probably what maybe
twenty yards down there? Great, maybe if.

Speaker 7 (58:12):
That twenty to forty somewhere in there.

Speaker 12 (58:15):
Yeah, yeah, he's not too far because I know my
brother can't see anything, but I'm looking through the thermal
and I see Apa just kind of just stop and
do the same thing he did before, and he's looking
down the.

Speaker 6 (58:30):
Road to the right, and he's just focused.

Speaker 12 (58:35):
And I found out afterwards when my brother came back,
that he had heard some what he thought was walking
and like a grunt kind of that's what he said.

Speaker 6 (58:45):
He goes it was just like somebody just going.

Speaker 7 (58:48):
You know.

Speaker 12 (58:49):
And at the same time he's sitting here, Apa has
got he's looking this way down the road.

Speaker 6 (58:56):
His focus starts turning like this.

Speaker 12 (58:59):
Then all of a sudden he stops and whips it
to looking at the ridge right above right coming up
the other side. So you know, if you imagine we're
looking down this road, you know, we're parked right here
looking down and this is the side going down, this
is the side coming up. Well, whatever got his attention

(59:20):
split it and he was now going like this, and
then he's starting to back up and want to come back.
So my brother I see him taking him back, you know,
and I'm kind of looking and we get him back
to the to the spot, and he won't lay in
his bed now, he's just focused on the side down

(59:42):
down this side. He can't look at this side too
much because now my van is parked right here and
that's and I'm trying to focus through this thermal end
or imager. And I don't know if you've ever seen
one of those axioms. I borrowed it from a friend mine. Anyways,

(01:00:03):
it's a monocular, so it kind of burns your retina way.
You take that thing off and you can't see. And
then another problem was is you can't hit record anywhere
on it. You have to do it through an app
on your phone. So I'm trying to play around with that,
and I actually got a little bit of recording of
Opa doing a when he did come back. My brother

(01:00:26):
did take him back a little bit and he.

Speaker 6 (01:00:29):
Did what they's they call a fleming response.

Speaker 12 (01:00:33):
I think it is where they do this grin and
he'll grin his mouth up and they're trying to get it.
They're picking up a scent that they can't figure out,
so they're really trying to open their mouths up and
then they get this snarl grin. And I actually got
a good video on a thermal I was trying to
get to you guys before.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
That of him doing that. But at the time he's
doing that, I'm looking off to the right with the
thermal and I see something. I just see a white
mass from behind a tree.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Move how far away?

Speaker 6 (01:01:08):
How far away? Probably probably about twenty yards I'm guessing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yeah, Okay, it was so.

Speaker 7 (01:01:19):
Hard to take at that point where he saw that,
and being as familiar as I am with that area
that's roughly forty forty five yards where he's talking about
where he looked and saw.

Speaker 12 (01:01:30):
Yeah, it was real hard to judge too at night,
and and I'll kind of get to that point later.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Well, I just want to rec I just want to
recap for anybody just joining. Greg and Mark took a
one hundred and sixty five pound wolf hybrid as basically
a sensing instrument ye in the area it's known for
bigfoot activity, and where they have now.

Speaker 11 (01:01:58):
Both seen something that night. Yeah and great continued, Yeah,
Greg heard. I actually thought I heard. I could say
for certain that I was here because I was so
focused on trying to get this.

Speaker 6 (01:02:10):
Stupid thermal imagery work, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:02:13):
And he was looking through a cheaper night vision right
kind of, and he says he sees the thing right,
same same spot.

Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
Wher I've seen it, you know. So now I'm like, okay,
but but really, other.

Speaker 12 (01:02:29):
Than this this little bit we were on without APA
doing the high alert, we would have never even probably
even looked, because I, you know, there.

Speaker 6 (01:02:43):
Was nothing to indicate there was anything going on other
than the.

Speaker 7 (01:02:47):
Last thing he's talking about. Right there, there's trees down
off the road to the right. I definitely could hear
something trying to be quiet, but walking up through those
trees because there was that unmistakable bowl biped heavy crunch crunt.
And I look at Mark and I go, do you
hear that we're being approached? So then I get that

(01:03:09):
night vision that I brought from my brother in law,
thank goodness, and I'm looking down through that and I'm
looking through the trees, and all of a sudden, I've
got two eyeballs looking right at me, and I went, whoa.
And then I look and Apason high alert, looking exactly
where I'm looking at. So I know he's seen it.

(01:03:30):
I know he saw that one for sure. I could
tell just by the way he was reacting. One of
the coolest parts about this whole thing for me was
he never barked once, he never growled once, he never
reacted like a dog. He reacted like I believe the
wolves are going to react. And I was loving it

(01:03:50):
because what I wanted to achieve we were nailing. I mean,
he just kept focus, laser focused, like I watch wolves
do when they're watching other wolves, when they watch coyotes,
or when they start sizing up things they think go after.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Yeah, I might, I might add greg, this is a
very creative experiment. It's very creative, guys, really creative. So
I do want to say that never is I have
a coyote, and I actually have two stories of wolves
in Bigfoot. Uh well, and then one of them was
a wolve and coote. I'm gonna tell later before we,

(01:04:30):
you know, wrap the show up, but keep going.

Speaker 12 (01:04:33):
I gotta I gotta say something too about before this
whole thing. You know, when Greg, I got to rewind
a little bit when Greg did tell me about this
idea of his. You know, he does a lot with
the wolf tracking of ODFW and stuff, and and I
know he knows that there's wolf packs in that area.

(01:04:54):
And I'm thinking this whole time before this, and even then,
I will admit Greg, now, which I think already have
is I'm thinking, my best thing is I'm gonna We're
gonna get up there.

Speaker 6 (01:05:05):
We're gonna hear some wolf house.

Speaker 12 (01:05:07):
If I'm lucky, and I want to see him, maybe
get him howling, because I've got him home before and
I want to and then maybe we'll get in and
you know that'll be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:05:15):
So I wasn't really even prepared for the whole the
whole Bigfoot thing at all. You know, it was really
just I was I was focused on the the wolf.

Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
Interaction type deal.

Speaker 12 (01:05:28):
But uh yeah, what that toward towards the end there,
it got a little stressful because I'm I'm seeing him
get the anxiety. He's starting to now push away, push
back into me. He will who won't even lay on

(01:05:49):
his bed period. He's pushing into me, pushing into my brother,
and I'm like, and I'm getting this dread feeling, like okay,
there's something's really close. And Greg's actually sitting more toward
this ridge than me. You're probably what six foot away,
six seven foot away maybe.

Speaker 7 (01:06:07):
Yeah, maybe about that, but you were more on that edge.

Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
So you could hear that a little more than me too.

Speaker 12 (01:06:13):
But what really alarmed me too was I got up
and Apah got up and he had turned just did
a one eighty on me and just did that just
focus and literally like a hair standing up on it
back of his back, you know. And he's looking now

(01:06:34):
directly to the side and back of my van, right
on the hill that's that I'm parked, i mean right
up against. So then I'm like, okay, I'm getting a
little we're getting we're getting like surrounded. But here's another thing.
Is just and literally just before that too, when when

(01:06:54):
he had looked down the road, I had walked out
toward the front of my van. And we're talking this
as pitch black, so it's very hard to see anything.
So I got that thermal out and I'm looking up
that side ridge and I see this amorphous blob is
all I could say, kind of grayish and moving, And

(01:07:18):
at first I thought it's the antenna on my van.
So I'm like, okay, I'm you know, this is crazy.
I'm just thinking it's the INTENTNA on my van. And
then so I reach out, I go, No, the antenna
on my van is okay, it's over here, so it's
not that there's nothing in front of me. So now
I'm looking at this thing. And I realized later that

(01:07:42):
I think it was going behind so much foliage that
that thermal imager was just not picking it up.

Speaker 6 (01:07:50):
Like white hot.

Speaker 12 (01:07:50):
It was more of a grayish if I can, but
it wasn't like I could tell the outline. And so
I scrambled to get my phone going, get the thing recorded,
hit the recorded, go back up. It's gone now and
it's heading on the ridge, back towards the back of
my van, if that makes sense, to the side of it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
And so we you know, we lost that.

Speaker 12 (01:08:20):
About the time that, uh, it starts getting more and
more anxiety, you know, watching APA. He starts to push
back into me and Chris, and that's when Greg's Greig's
watching him too, and Greg's like, you know, he's getting
real anxiety and and you know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:41):
I've I've seen enough. We could call this at night.

Speaker 12 (01:08:44):
So I said, okay, And I'm feeling bad because I'm like,
you know, I haven't been there that long. Actually, we're
supposed to be there till four in the morning, and
I was prepared for that, and uh, we only been
there for what few hours, I think, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
Yeah, And so I'm like.

Speaker 12 (01:09:00):
Okay, I'm gonna put him in the van and it's
gonna be It'll be okay, We'll be in there, and
that's that's where he's used to it. And about right
at that time, we decided, okay, get it, got his
stuff here, I'm going to open the van and let
him in there. And the wind had just kicked up,

(01:09:21):
and there was absolutely no wind before that. As soon
as that wind kicked up, he went from anxiety to
sheer terror because when we.

Speaker 6 (01:09:31):
Eye opened that van doors, he bolted in. He did uh, looked.

Speaker 12 (01:09:37):
Through the windows, and then he dove down into the
passenger side of the of my van and tried to
squeeze himself into the underneath there. And you know, my
brother's kind of trying to help me, and and his
eyes are just just wide open and he's flat on
a floor, you know. And about that time, I'm like, okay,

(01:09:58):
I I this this is crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:10:00):
You know, there's something here. So I grabbed I actually grabbed.

Speaker 12 (01:10:03):
My spotlight I had right there, shine it right up
behind the van on the side, and I see I
see brush moving and and I'm like, okay, that's not
the wind.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
There's something there. And it was right there.

Speaker 12 (01:10:19):
And that's that's another time that I realized how thick
it was right there. You couldn't see ten fifteen foot
behind on that side behind us at all. It was
so thick the woods were that I just couldnt see anything,
and it was steep. I was actually amazed that whatever
you know, was there was moving up through that and

(01:10:45):
it was enough to you know, about that same time
of him anxiety, and this is the that's when the
hair on the back of my next standing up.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
And I was.

Speaker 12 (01:10:59):
Not too I was happy enough to get out of
there at that point. You know, it just didn't it
had that feeling of being just surrounded.

Speaker 7 (01:11:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:11:10):
I didn't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Well, we're you know, I'm just gonna have on Greg,
no problem. Yeah, there's a delay. Were they berries ripe
at this time.

Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
Yeah, there's there's an explosion of huckleberries, salmon beery. There's
a lot of huckleberries there. There's mountain blueberries, there's wild strawberries.
We've got a little bit of Oregon grape in there.
There's elderberries in there. There's a lot of berries. There
are also a lot of springs is in this area.

(01:11:44):
This is one of the spots I had found doing
my homework, as I call it, from two thousand and
seven to twenty eleven, prior to the night of August
twenty second of this year. Mainly what had happened for
me there was hearing vocalization, hearing wood knocks, hearing rock knocks.
I had only one time ever seen anything there that

(01:12:07):
indicated the presence of them being there. And I told
Mark and Chris, I go, I'm sitting in the exact
same spot. I'm sitting here, and I look down the
road and there's two red eyes looking back at me.
And I'm just sitting there in the dark by myself.
But I had simulated a phone conversation and I told Mark,
I go, I don't go out and howl and beat

(01:12:27):
on trees. He didn't hear me how one time I
never beat one tree. You open your doors on your car,
you slam the door on your car, and you sit
there in the dark. But the main attraction by far
was Apa. And I know, guarantee you, I know why
they kept coming in, getting closer and closer. They had

(01:12:49):
never seen a wolf with men before that they were
trying to figure out for themselves because they're like, what's
going on here?

Speaker 6 (01:12:59):
This is not normal.

Speaker 7 (01:13:00):
We've never seen a wolf with men.

Speaker 11 (01:13:03):
That part of it.

Speaker 7 (01:13:04):
I didn't necessarily expect that reaction, but thrilled that I
got it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
That's obviously we don't know for sure, but it's certainly
a very good theory. And so I've got a question.
So Apa, does he Is he doing any like whining
or making any noise at all during any of this?
Or just quiet?

Speaker 12 (01:13:34):
Just quiet, not a not a wine, not a bark.
And I've I've I've had him all kinds of places. Uh,
you know, I've taken him just just about everywhere usually.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Well, does he does he whine like if you were
to hold a treat for him? Does he do anything audio?

Speaker 12 (01:13:54):
Yeah, he'll whine like if he if Sometimes he'll see
another dog that he wants to play with or something,
and he'll whine and uh, he'll whine. Sometimes he'll just
wance in this bedroom, like just just earlier. That's how
that's why he's sitting over there, because he was whining
or and then he'll.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
Scratch and that's the first thing he doesn't He doesn't
look very big there, but I know this no picture standing,
and he's got to be all of what's over six.

Speaker 12 (01:14:23):
Foot Well, my couch, he can lay on the entire couch,
so if that makes sense on his lean. Yeah, it's
hard because that's it's ways back there. I can't even
reach back there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
All right, So all right, So is there any more
to this story? How did it end?

Speaker 7 (01:14:43):
Mark? You got to tell what happened the next day
with the van when you're trying to clean the van up,
because this was almost as telling as anything else. But
Mark gets in touch with me next day and goes, hey,
I was trying to clean the van up, and Appa's reaction.

Speaker 12 (01:15:00):
Was like whoa, oh it was actually there was even
there's even more to it than that. On the way
down from the place, he stayed on the floorboard probably
and I and I had a long drive from there
to home.

Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
I'm trying to think it's probably two and a half hours.
I think it is at least. And he did not
get up to even sniff the window until I was.

Speaker 12 (01:15:25):
Darn near home, until he could start smelling it, and
then he's like, okay, you know, or we're safe.

Speaker 6 (01:15:31):
But he wouldn't get in a van the next day.
I had it open cleaning it.

Speaker 12 (01:15:34):
And usually if I leave that doors open, he'll dive
in and then I have to take him around the
block at least, just go for right around the block
and then it's okay, get out, you know, because he
just yeah, so you're.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Thinking there's maybe a bigfoot air oh.

Speaker 6 (01:15:52):
Reason, no, no, no, no, no. He would not get
back in that van for a week.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Oh because he was afraid of going.

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
I think he was afraid of going back there.

Speaker 12 (01:16:03):
And yeah, and in fact, actually I didn't tell Greg this,
but just this weekend they had a car show up
at Lake of the Woods, which is climb of close
the same kind of general area, and probably about the
time we got up toward the same area, he had

(01:16:24):
got some anxiety sniffing out the window, and it was
it was kind of a little strange, like I'm was
wondering if he remembered just the area. And then luckily though,
we got to the car show and he was okay,
you know, he started getting around people and then he
was fine.

Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
But yeah, he definitely it was like I said, it
was two weeks or something, so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
He suffered with PTSD.

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
Yeah, yeah, bigfoot traumatic syndrome.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Yeah, that's interesting. It's all interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:17:00):
Honestly, I have never seen any videos anywhere showing somebody
going out bigfooting with dogs except Bobo and Monkey Rip Monkey,
and even then we only get very edited looks. This
was prolonged exposure over a couple hours, watching exactly how

(01:17:21):
a wolf is on point an alert when they're looking
at something and hearing something. And I'm saying, Squatchbama, maybe
Bigfoot was curious to see them walking together. I guarantee you,
I mean as much as I possibly can. But based

(01:17:42):
on what my gut tells me, they were every bit
as curious to try and figure out why Apa a
wolf is with us as I was trying to figure
out what's going on watching APA's reaction, because the other thing,
I will totally agree with Mark with the majority of

(01:18:03):
what he was reacting to without him, we may not
have known about the presence. At different points, we were
definitely picking some things up with the thermal with the
night vision, we were hearing movement, but I guarantee you
he was hearing way more movement than we were. He
was smelling things we weren't. And by the way, no,

(01:18:26):
no classic Sasquatch odor didn't happen, at least not to us.
He probably picked up on it, but I promise you
he saw them till he saw them at multiple points.

Speaker 10 (01:18:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:18:40):
The only reason why I even bothered to take the
thermal imager and look on the upper ridge was because
he had kept shifting his focus. And literally when he
first started, he's at an angle like this down the road,
and that angle's changing, so this is moving, and then
he whips it and then the same thing, and now

(01:19:01):
he's going like this, and then that's when he's backing
up to us. You know, I'm watching him in the
road doing this, and that's when I'm like, Okay, you
know something something's up on the ridge here. And we
had we heard everything that we heard was on the
lower We heard nothing up there.

Speaker 6 (01:19:17):
But that's where I.

Speaker 12 (01:19:18):
Seen this, that a morphous Bob moving through foliage and uh,
and that's where the bushes that I said seen move
after when I hit it with a spotlight towards the
end there.

Speaker 6 (01:19:33):
Yeah, and that and that's where that was. That's the
weird part.

Speaker 12 (01:19:37):
Like I said, we would have been sitting there and
just focused down here, and whatever that was up here
could have walked right up and probably tapped us on
the back of the neck, which would not have been fun.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
But was apa unleashed during all this?

Speaker 12 (01:19:54):
Oh no, No, I was very I was afraid that.
I was afraid of two things. I didn't want him
running off, Like I said, the whole before this whole
thing started, my premise was wolves. You know, was not premise,
but my thought was our best case scenario of anything
else going to happen was going to be wolves. And

(01:20:18):
I didn't want him running off. So he's on a
leash the whole time. And I probably could have left
him off the leash and he would have stayed right
there until maybe the end. He was so panicked on
that I think he might have if he wasn't on
the leash, he might have just bolted down the road
and took off, you know, because of the.

Speaker 6 (01:20:41):
Real panic on the end there.

Speaker 7 (01:20:43):
So yeah, and I pulled the plug on it because okay,
points been more than proven. But I also was really
concerned about the state APA was getting into. I didn't
want to freak him out like that, and I was like, Hey,
we've had oil, we can quit drilling, we can call
this a night. In hindsight, maybe what I wish I

(01:21:05):
would have done was go ahead and dismiss them and
then stay there to see what would wind up happening.
But the reality is, I think the reason we were
getting that intense close approach and they were coming in
was because of APA. If you remove APA, then it's

(01:21:25):
just me sitting there in the dark, and they're going
to be like, ohms, just Greg, and they're going to
take off and go do their thing that they do.
So yeah, I mean sounds kind of cold in a
way to say I used APA as a bait, because
in reality, that's what this came down to. What I

(01:21:46):
was looking for scientific information that, boy did I get
in abundance.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
So, Greg, what is your theory on symbiotic relationships with
wolves and big footzer counties? Do you have a symbiotic
relationship scenario that you want to share.

Speaker 7 (01:22:06):
There's so little data evidence. I mean, there's just not
enough out there. We have far more about coyotes in bigfoot.
There is definitely a relationship between them and how it
works exactly, I don't know. Is it beneficial to bigfoot

(01:22:27):
having the coyotes around, Yeah, coyotes or guard dogs. Is
it beneficial to coyotes being around bigfoots? Absolutely, because when
and if bigfoot are going to make kills, when they
switch into the predator mode that they're alleged to be
in all the time, then clearly the coyotes benefit because

(01:22:48):
there's a lot of scrap left over for them. Because
bigfoots are very particular about what they want to consume
from an animal. It's the protein, whether it's the organs,
whether it's the eyes, whether it's the brains or the
morrow and the bones. They're very particular about what they
want and then they leave the rest of what they

(01:23:09):
don't want, and kyotes especially benefit greatly from it. Ravens
will as well, and their's will well.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Obviously, early man teamed while wolves. That's how we ended
up with the domestic dog. Do you think bigfoots and
like coyotes or wolves actually share a proximity together, like
they sleep next to each other, they touch each other,
that kind of a thing, Or do you think that

(01:23:37):
they're just kind of standoffish.

Speaker 7 (01:23:41):
Really, there's a lot of unknown I would think if
that kind of relationship exists between them, it's definitely more
likely to be the coyotes with bigfoots because watching how
Appa's reacting and knowing wolves react like that, especially the
things that it's like, ooh, man, I got to try

(01:24:02):
and figure you out. Once he had it totally figured out,
he wanted no more part of him. He was done.
But I still believe it's more standoffish between wolves and bigfoot,
And the primary theory may be because of the strength
of the pack, there is a threat potential to bigfoots

(01:24:26):
and especially young ones juveniles that coyotes just don't possess.
So I think it's a far more amicable relationship with
the coyotes, but wolves, especially something as large as Apa
and then in number, that's a bit more of a
potential threat to Bigfoot and vice versa. And you know,

(01:24:50):
in the lack of really knowing having good data sets,
I think it's probably more they're aloof and standoff where
Bigfoot and wolves where bigfoot and coyote are much tighter, closer,
and maybe there's that quasi pet aspect that you were
just bringing up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Yeah, well, okay, I want to tell us a really
quick story. We were on horseback, I think there were
four or five of us were on horseback Saint Cry Valley, Minnesota,
on the Minnesota side, and we rode through an area
that's known for sightings. Everything was fine, I wouldn't see

(01:25:32):
anything whatever. And then we rode back and we all
started to smell this terrible stink, right like rotting. That
was horrible, and we're covering our mouths. But then up
ahead on the trail we had already gone on, there's
a coyote lane across this single track trail, this horse trail,

(01:25:54):
and it's and it's clearly alive, but it's lane there paralyzed,
and we're thinking, what the heck can we get off?
We look at it and I can clearly see two
big handprints on the coyote like it was grabbed and
it felt like its back was broken, severed, it was

(01:26:15):
yanked apart its spine. No blood on the coyote at
all other than those two crush marks. But then I'm
thinking something had to grab that code. It had to
be within its proximity, you know, almost like it's pet
in order to do that to intimidate us, and intimidate

(01:26:35):
us it did. I mean, it's very intimidating. When something
laid that there. It couldn't walk there, it couldn't move.
All it could do was blanket size. That's it completely paralyzed.
We had to put it out of its misery. But
to have that happen in that short period is coincidence
or not, I don't know. Something laid that coyote there.

(01:26:58):
And then another time, real quick, I was up grouse hunning,
up on the Canadian border, and we had spotted a
pack of wolves. And then at in the middle of
the night we hear by people running or no, first
we hear a pack of wolves running through our camp

(01:27:18):
and you can hear them panting, and just one after another.
It's a pretty big pack just driving right through our camp.
And we're in we're sleeping in cots. And then all
of a sudden, I fill the ground start to shake
and I hear by people running right after that pack
and run right through the middle of our camp. Does

(01:27:39):
Bombo bo bo bom like it was chasing the pack
of wolf following, and so that's kind of a direct
you know. Obviously I don't know it was a bigfoot,
and I don't know how bigfoot broke the back of
that coyote, but you know, figured out it's what else
can do it?

Speaker 6 (01:27:58):
I was that I think I don't.

Speaker 12 (01:28:00):
I don't think that there's any kind of pet relationship
with them after well, watching him, you know, it's definitely
was a fear of that. You know, maybe maybe they
one one follows the other just because they know that
they're both they're both hunting down prey, you know, so

(01:28:24):
they're probably going after the deer in the elk the
same way. And if they are, which they are, uh,
they'd be competing with each other. So that usually doesn't
work out good for any any type animal, you know.
I I don't think there. It might be a rare
case where a bigfoot would have a pet wool for

(01:28:48):
or a coyote, but I think it would be some
kind of special thing like when you know, when you
see those what is it in Africa? You see a lion,
you know, getting a gazelle as the mother's lost her
her cub and they pick up a gazelle or something,
you know, maybe something like that. But I think it's

(01:29:09):
just all just flat wild and they're just gonna kill him,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Yeah, I mean we just yeah, nature is so complicated.
By the way, Jeff, if you want to send David
Ellis a link, a join link, David has a story.
If he's willing to join in and tell his dog story,
He's got quite a story. Look like Chadding is mentioning it.
So okay, So we've talked about this possible symbiotic relationship,

(01:29:38):
and so Mark, you think maybe more with coyotes than wolves.

Speaker 12 (01:29:43):
Yeah, I would think if there is gonna be just
because I and that's not from any kind of observation
of mine, it's just from this common watching stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:29:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:29:53):
You know you hear that, you hear the coyote house,
and then you hear the people that get the the
recordings of bigfoot and stuff along with it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:02):
But I think it's more of there.

Speaker 7 (01:30:04):
You go, agree, I haven't got the recordings, but I
have been out there plenty of times, and you hear
coyotes howling, you hear bigfoot responses. In fact, my first
bigfoot encounter ever the Bigfoot is howling that classic Bobo
Ohio howl, and the coyotes are responding to it. The
coyotes kept responding to it even after we could not

(01:30:27):
hear it with our ears anymore because he'd moved off
to the north, but the coyotes in our area were
still picking up on it and still responding to it.
And then I've had multiple times, and especially right before
dawn really breaks, where vocalizations are going off, and honestly,

(01:30:47):
I can't tell are the coyotes responding to the Bigfoot
or is the Bigfoot responding too, because there's just so
much going on.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
I've heard.

Speaker 7 (01:30:56):
I had it was definitely kyotes responding to the Bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
I've heard both. I've heard wood knocking and then coyotes.
I've heard coyotes and then wood knocks, and I've had
chest beating when I've played coyotes sounds through one of
those game game callers.

Speaker 6 (01:31:14):
Okay, I have one.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Call and two locations coast to coast across the US
where I had chess beating during coyote that I played
one of them. It's just beating kept getting closer. We'd
wait a while, we'd do it again. And then the
chest beating would be closer, and then we wait a
while and do it again, and it would be like

(01:31:36):
right on top of us, the chest beating, like right
next to us where people in our group are going.
We need to leave now, you know. Yeah, get scary.

Speaker 7 (01:31:45):
The one time I thought I was hearing chest thumping,
I start moving towards the sound and moving slowly, and
I keep moving and I keep moving, and then it stops,
and I'm trying to locate it again, and I move
about another twenty feet and all of a sudden, this
rough grouse explo loaded right out underneath my feet, and
of course gave me the heart attack. I wasn't expecting that.
But as soon as he left the area, the quote

(01:32:09):
chest thumping sound I was hearing disappeared, and then I realized, oh,
I know what he was doing. He was drumming, but
he was doing it in a much slower cadence and
it had the effect of sounding like that gorillas stumping
type activity. So that's the only time I heard it,

(01:32:29):
and it turned out to be a grouse.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
So yeah, well I've obviously I have no gross drumming,
and what I heard I heard chest beating. My first
time up north and my whole body was shaking. I mean,
that's very interesting to the pounding in my body.

Speaker 12 (01:32:46):
I say, that's interesting because if you're thinking, you know,
like you mentioned gorilla, greg and what do gorillas do
that for? I guess what I hear is because it's
kind of a territorial intimidation.

Speaker 6 (01:33:01):
So if there if he's.

Speaker 12 (01:33:03):
If you're putting out coyote sounds and you're getting this
chest something moving in is is that that's trying to
intimidate I'm guessing to move those coyotes out, or you know,
or they're looking at it like you're you're coming into
our area.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Or or it's a bigfoot protecting one pack over a
different pack, because coyotes are very territorial with other packs.

Speaker 7 (01:33:35):
So somebody loyalty it may extend that way. They may
be very loyal to their one particular pack. In interlopers
not allowed.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
And you think about that, Yeah, yeah, it's it's so fascinating.
I used to have the pleasure of working with Jim
Brandenberg that he did a lot of wall research and photography.
In fact, he had won a UN award on his
wolf photography. Well, I got to know Jim, and Jim
invited me to be his producer and ended up hanging

(01:34:09):
out a lot. He would have He had like parabolic
mics out he had, We had cameras and then we'd
put a deer carcass out and we could just watch
the wolf behavior and how they interacted with other animals,
including ravens and and anyhow. It's just fascinating wolves and
they definitely have a symbiotic relationship with the ravens. I

(01:34:31):
mean the ravens do the aerial reconnaissance.

Speaker 7 (01:34:34):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
The wolves go in for a kill, and then they
they open up the carcass for the ravens and step
back and let the ravens feed first.

Speaker 12 (01:34:43):
Yeah, that's funny you said that, because I've had a
ravens actually land out my auls with him outside.

Speaker 6 (01:34:52):
I've seen him jumping on the ground near him and
him laying out there doing nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Well, the well, the ravens will even come up to
it wolf and pull their tails. They like to tease
the wolves. The wolves completely tolerated. Yeah, I've witnessed this
stuff firsthand. It's just fascinating.

Speaker 6 (01:35:10):
Yeah, he made no attempt to go after it.

Speaker 7 (01:35:12):
No, Now what we're talking about here. I'll take it
one step further. Ravens also understand human hunters. And I
was blessed to grow up in a family with a
lot of Native American ancestry. And I was out with
my uncle Ted, and we're hunting in this area in

(01:35:32):
the Cascades that they essentially grew up in. He knew
it while they were living up there. They actually lived
in a construction camp for two and a half years,
and he would roam the woods all around that area.
He found a raven chick on the ground, saved it,
brought it home, raised it. He taught that raven how

(01:35:55):
to talk human. The raven taught him what ravens were saying.
So we're sitting there one morning in elk season, and
all of a sudden, my uncle gets all excited. He
goes the ravens are talking and I'm like, oh, and
he goes, elk are coming and they're talking about the elk,
but they're also talking about us.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:36:16):
And so my uncle said, I'm going to stay up
here where I've got a better look. You get down
there lower in the saddle, because if they do what
I think they're going to do, they're going to come
right through that saddle. So I get in position and
I look up at him, and at first he keeps
doing this signal to me, going meaning nothing. Then I
look up because now I'm hearing ravens like going crazy

(01:36:38):
right on top of us, and all of a sudden,
he's doing this at me. That's the signal for a cow,
and I'm like, oh, okay, I pay more attention. Then
the ravens get silent, but I look at him and
he's doing this meaning he's seeing a branch bowl elk.
So I get ready. The cows start co and through

(01:37:00):
that saddle, through that little opening, and then I look
and I can see the antlers moving through the trees
and it's just that wait, wait, wait. Then he steps
up and I get my sights right on him, and
I do that and he stopped and he looked at
just Kapu knocked him right off his feet. So we've

(01:37:21):
got him down, we're skinning him, gutting him, doing all
this stuff. We're getting him into quarters, getting ready for
the pack out. And I'm looking at my uncle and
now he's doing something interesting. He is taking strips of
flesh off the hide and he starts going and hanging
strips of flesh in the trees around where we're doing

(01:37:43):
our activity, and I go, what are you doing? And
he goes, I'm leaving a reward for the sentinels for
the lookouts, because he says, we're going to be gone,
the flock's going to come in, but there are always
ravens up in the trees watching for danger and leaving
treats for the lookouts. And that's exactly the way that

(01:38:05):
worked out. And I said, how did you know that?
How did you know what the ravens were saying about
the elk and about us? And he just looked at
me and grinned, and he goes, I know their language.
I know what they're saying. I'm like, well, you convinced
me because there's the biggest bull elk I've ever shot
in my life on the ground because he understood exactly

(01:38:27):
what the ravens were saying. What they were saying was
they were excited about us because they go, there's hunters
weren't going to get a great meal. Seriously, that's what
he told me. They were saying.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
That's interesting. By the way, David Ellis is in the backroom.
Let's some a couple things. First, well, we'll bring David on,
have him tell his dog story. Then I want to
hear about your encounter.

Speaker 12 (01:38:52):
Mark, Okay, go ahead, inerrate on that raven. A friend
of mine, the Christian Witchery that loaned me the thermal imager.
He actually got some recordings just like a few days
after us. And there's a how I'm still going through it.

(01:39:14):
It's eight hours of recording that he had left sitting there.
But one of the things that I had picked up
on it was a raven cawn probably five in the morning.
Four in the morning, I'm not sure on the tape,
but it was. It was right after a whistle and
then you hear this, you know, so I you know,

(01:39:37):
I'm going to try to isolate that out. I've got
just one of the things isolated out on my phone
and I was going to try to get some of
that sent to you guys. But that that makes me
kind of wonder now, so I'm gonna see if I
can pull.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
That out and get it be really interesting.

Speaker 12 (01:39:54):
Yeah, because yeah, that just that just made me think
of that when he was talking about the raven.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Oh, I know, ravens have like they have a word
for wolf. They have different words, they have complex communication
with each other through their white eye flashes. They have
the intelligence certainly of a chimp, so they're really smart.
But with that anyhow, let's get David Ellis. Jeff can

(01:40:20):
get David in.

Speaker 17 (01:40:21):
Hey, can you hear me?

Speaker 7 (01:40:26):
Good?

Speaker 10 (01:40:26):
Good?

Speaker 17 (01:40:26):
Got that new mic.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
David's got new equipment. That's good. David does more podcasting
probably anybody on the planet. And he didn't have a mic,
and I'm like, really, and you're a sound guy. Uh, David,
tell us tell us your dog story. By the way,
David Ellis is for anybody that doesn't know it is

(01:40:51):
part of the Olympic project. He's from the area that
Greg and Mark reside in. And uh, David hasn't. I
caught the story in chat, but tell us what happened?

Speaker 17 (01:41:05):
Well before I do that, I want to kind of
dovetail off on what Mark was talking about with Ravens.
Loretta Collins also a fan of the show. She sends
me some audio to look at now and then, and
one of the latest ones was this clip of just
a ton of wood knocks knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock,

(01:41:28):
knock for about twenty minutes or more, maybe even longer.
But what I noticed was that I started to hear
some songbirds. I'm thinking, oh, it's starting to get daylight there.
I didn't have any timeframe, but what it was interesting
was the ravens started in, and when the ravens started in,

(01:41:51):
the wood knocks ceased.

Speaker 10 (01:41:55):
Interesting.

Speaker 17 (01:41:57):
Yep, all done. So I think that just tells you
that there's a tattletale situation going on, and that with
the ravens and Bigfoot, and if you keep your ears
open for ravens, I think he should go on alert
that something could be could be happening. Okay, a dog story, Yeah,

(01:42:23):
I got too, but tell us.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
So.

Speaker 17 (01:42:32):
There's this area in Grace Harbor, Washington that I kind
of cut my teeth learning how to do investigative work,
and we would have things happen there all the time.
But on this one particular occasion, I went with my dog, Riley,
and he's was part flat coat Retriever and part shepherd.

(01:42:54):
He was a huge boy. He was about one hundred
and fifty pounds. He was nothing to mess around with.
I'm not afraid of anything, but the most affable dog.
He liked everything and everybody. But when he jumped out
of the car on this specific day. When we got there,
he went stiff everywhere and arched his back. His hackles

(01:43:17):
went up, and he cut loose with this just ungodly
guttural growl that I have never heard him make. And
I knew something was going on because he was out
of his mind.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
So okay, when you said he went stiff.

Speaker 17 (01:43:38):
Legs, yeah, his legs. He just you know, he was
wasn't going to move anywhere. He was taken in the surroundings,
and like I said, his hackles went up, so he
was on high alert.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
So what do you mean his hackles went up?

Speaker 17 (01:43:54):
Well, you know when your your hair goes pilo erect,
I think the definition. So yeah, the back of this,
I just.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Thought maybe dogs had a hackle or something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:44:09):
I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 17 (01:44:11):
Yeah, yeah, So anyway, he was he was not having
fun there for a while. I finally got him to
move around a little bit and got him to relax,
but he stayed right close to me. He wasn't taken
off like he usually does to go investigate stuff. He
just wanted to be right by me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
So is this is this one of those really big dogs?

Speaker 17 (01:44:37):
That you own was yes, Yeah, he was huge. He
was larger than aper German shepherd. What type of dog
was The DNA test said he was part flat coat
retriever and part shepherd.

Speaker 6 (01:44:52):
He was.

Speaker 17 (01:44:54):
The coloring of an Irish Setter. To make it even
even more weird.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
But what do you think caused him to go stiff?
Was it the smell?

Speaker 17 (01:45:02):
And you know he didn't tell me, so I can
only guess. I think it was a combination of both.
I don't think they particularly cared for dogs in this
particular spot. I think you know about the story I

(01:45:25):
tell of recording something mimicking somebody calling one of my dogs.
Do you remember that story, Doug? Yes, okay, So just
to get everybody up to speed on that this was
a different dog but also a shepherd. We were at
this location, my wife, the witness, and myself. We were

(01:45:50):
walking down the road. I had a bionic dish going,
so I kind of hear what was going on around me,
and I knew that we were being trailed. Something was
following us. I could hear it in the in the brush,
walking two legs, So I was pretty excited about that.
And it was I think it was July So it

(01:46:11):
was a hot day and the dog was panting terribly,
you mean, he was running all around. So the witness
kind of whispered to me, you want me to leash
him up? And I said, yeah, go ahead, So he
called the dog. He goes Mirkaia and immediately from the brush,

(01:46:32):
you hear this, so and I've got it recorded.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Creepy, creepy, creepy. That's so yeah calling And how.

Speaker 17 (01:46:45):
Many stories have we all heard about something calling dogs
by now?

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:46:52):
Weird?

Speaker 6 (01:46:52):
Have you heard that?

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Greg?

Speaker 7 (01:46:54):
I have heard some stories about people swearing they were
hearing something out there trying to get the attention of dogs,
calling them exactly by name. I don't know. It was
kind of seemed like more to me, the you know,
come here dog kind of thing, not necessarily by name.

(01:47:18):
But they were talking about hearing whistles and things like
that happening and doing a good mimic of a human
you know thing that you do when you're following your dogs. Right,
So those kind of stories are out there where they're
actually vocalizing the name. That's a new one for me.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
David, do you recall that I think your name was Julie,
your biologist that I had a real used to do
goatpacking and handsome. I think they were border collies. Do
you know this story? No, oh, okay, I think John
Minzenski mentioned it to me. But she apparently was go

(01:48:04):
packing and she had her two dogs with. At the
end of the day they set up camp and her
dogs just disappeared. She didn't know where they were. They
had never done that. They just gone and they were gone,
like for hours. And then apparently a bigfoot walks into
camp with the dogs and the dogs on you and

(01:48:28):
the dogs are with the bigfoot and the dogs are
just like, you know, you're all happy and you know whatever,
and the bigfoot staring at one of her goats, and
I'm not sure how it ended. I don't remember at all,
but that's it was just an amazing story. And you
know how smart border collies are. They're definitely a step

(01:48:51):
step up. Yeah, that's funny. You're reminded me or David
did of a.

Speaker 6 (01:48:59):
Story.

Speaker 12 (01:49:00):
The actually the guy that I borrowed his thermal image
and off his dad, new gentleman that did hunting dogs,
and they his dogs got on a scent and when
it was right here in the same area, and you know,
they take off, and he can hear him barking and barking,

(01:49:20):
and now you can hear him like they've got something
up a tree. So he's trying to get there, and
then all of a sudden he hears him just kind
of stop barking, and they come running back. And he
said all of them came ran back and gove under
his truck, and he's like, what the heck, Well, one

(01:49:43):
dog didn't come back, and finally, you know, he's trying
to go get to this dog, and finally it had
come back, and they all had come back to the
truck and just basically dove in there, just shaking like
a leaf. And he's just he never did see what
it was, but he said, he goes, I've never ever
had those dogs ever, especially the one dog that was

(01:50:08):
the last one. He said, that dog's fearless of anything.

Speaker 6 (01:50:12):
You know, they treat.

Speaker 12 (01:50:13):
Bears and cougars, and and he goes, I don't know
what it was, but and he did say he heard
a sound after that, a like I kind of a
roarish growl, and and he was just dumbfounded as to
what it was, which you know, and he wasn't a

(01:50:34):
person that actually even believes the big Foot of that
way at all, so he for him to even entertain
that idea was kind of interesting from this guy. And
that's the that's the kind of stories too, like the
hearers for people that are the real skeptics.

Speaker 6 (01:50:52):
And I've seen some I've heard stories like that that
I'm like, Okay, this guy is not you know I
I've known some of them.

Speaker 12 (01:51:01):
For years, these people around here, and when I hear
stories like that, it's like, Okay, there's there's definitely it's
not embellishing. There's there's something to this. And yeah, frim Scare.
His whole pack of dogs that he's got is you know,
bear dogs are. And that was a while back. I

(01:51:22):
guess he used to be able to. I don't I
don't know a whole lot about the hunt and the
cougars and bears on that, but I know you used
to be able to do that, and then they change
those laws so much.

Speaker 6 (01:51:31):
But yeah, that was an interesting story.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
David. Do you have any more dog stories? Yeah? I
have one more? Good please?

Speaker 17 (01:51:41):
Okay, So again we're going back to the same location
where all this other previous things have happened. It's my wife,
myself and another dog that we had, certainly large dog.
She was a shepherd for sure, she was full low
and shepherd. Anyway, we get out, I have my bionic

(01:52:07):
dish and my recorder going just in case, and so
as we're walking down this one trail, the dog takes
off and goes way ahead, and about thirty seconds later
she comes running back, full steam, tail between her legs.

(01:52:28):
I'd never seen that one before, and she got between
my legs and wouldn't leave. I'm going, oh, oh, I
think we have company. And I didn't really care because
a previous experience in this location, we had no aggression
shown at all. So we just continued on to a

(01:52:53):
location that we had seen stick structures before. So when
we got there, my wife looked at me and said,
can I try a wood knock? And I said sure.
But before she tried the wood knock, I noticed that

(01:53:16):
my dog was looking down a trail that we had
just come down, and she's doing this, and I'm going,
what in the world. So I took out my camera
and I took a picture, and later when I reviewed

(01:53:40):
the picture, there was a dark mass back in there.
I couldn't really determine what it was, but evidently she
couldn't determine what it was either, because she was doing
this anyway. My wife takes a stick and she wax
it on a tree, and we don't get a response

(01:54:02):
other than I can now hear movement and movement coming
at eight o'clock position to my left, and something coming
at my three o'clock position on my right, and then
something coming at my twelve o'clock position in front. We're

(01:54:23):
being triangulated. Something is moving in on us. And I
turned to Terry and I said, hey, it's I think
we have too much company, and I think they want.

Speaker 10 (01:54:35):
Us to leave.

Speaker 17 (01:54:36):
So we hustled out of there. We got to the car.
Of course, I put on my recording gear away, got
the dog in the car, Terry's in the car. I
get in the car about to turn the ignition on
and from the opposite side of the road, and that

(01:55:03):
scream goes for about ten seconds.

Speaker 10 (01:55:06):
Wow.

Speaker 17 (01:55:06):
And Terry looks at me and she goes, what was that?
And I said, I think you know?

Speaker 6 (01:55:14):
So that was my dog story.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
That's pretty much crazy. Have you heard other ones, David?

Speaker 17 (01:55:21):
Through the years, well, with the mimic scenario, I had
one witness that had several recordings of something calling their dogs.
And one of the situations was her husband had to
go do training around the country and he was in

(01:55:43):
Florida doing a training exercise for his company and she
was home when she recorded something that called their dogs,
which were Layla and Bridget. He would call them Layla
bridge At and Layla Bridget. That was his cadence And

(01:56:06):
we got that recorded, but it wasn't done real well.
Whatever it was had trouble with the Bridget. It came
kind of my religion, not real smooth.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:56:20):
Yeah, so it wasn't just the one recording of calling
a dog that I've got. I've got several.

Speaker 10 (01:56:29):
David.

Speaker 7 (01:56:30):
Of course I follow what you're doing through Olympic Project,
you know. I talked to Shane. Yeah. Yeah, I especially
talked to Chris about what I'm hearing and sounds and whatnot.
But this was the first time I've had the chance
to actually be part of something with you. So yeah,
this is really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
So it is.

Speaker 7 (01:56:49):
Elevated this when you're saying they're mimicking the calling for
the dogs, because this is a first for me. I
have had people say they heard than whistling like they
were trying to whistle, but actually calling their names. Is
it is it sounding more guttural and gruff than human?

(01:57:12):
And like you said, it was having trouble with Bridget
Is that more if.

Speaker 17 (01:57:17):
You I don't know, if you're familiar with Chris and
what he does. He reviews it by sight. I do
this the same thing, right, so I can tell by
the signature that it's not a person.

Speaker 7 (01:57:31):
Okay, perfect well, And of course, speaking of what's going on,
there's a current Olympic project project going. Bart Katino is
hoping to come down and get to the spot where
Mark and I went, but bring his toys, his high
thermals that he has, because now Bart's all excited based

(01:57:52):
on what happened for Mark and I to return to
the exact same spot and hopefully with is better higher
in thermals, we may get a better look at.

Speaker 12 (01:58:05):
If I would have just been able to record what
I seen, yeah and go back, because you know, I'm
looking at it at that instant it's like, okay, what
did I just see? If I could just sat there
and rewound it, I could have been okay that that's
actually a figure, you know, and especially the one that
went from right behind a tree and I swear, you know,

(01:58:26):
it drives you crazy because it's just a half a
second and I'm going like this, and then it's like, oh,
there it is. And it was exact same spot that
Greg had seen his eyeshine and everything. And if I
could have had that recording, whether I understood what it was,
could have rewound that back and then said okay, I
can wow, it may have seen everything, you know, because

(01:58:49):
when you're in that instant, it's it's very hard to
see what you're seeing. That memorphous blob though, that I
did see was a very weird. Like I said, it
was not white hot, but it was there was something
there moving, and it really puzzled me because at first

(01:59:09):
I kept thinking, oh, maybe this is some kind of
orb that these that people see, you know, And I'm going, okay,
I'm not losing it like I Like I said, I
kept thinking, okay, it's got to be the little ball
on my antenna. Ruled that out right away as I'm
doing it, and then later on I thought about it,
thinking Okay, it had to be behind a lot of

(01:59:30):
foliage and or some something there in that area that
was keeping that from fully shining through. That is the
only thing I could think of it, Yeah, because it
wasn't a white It wasn't like white specs changing. It
was a more of a grayish you know, uh, almost

(01:59:50):
like just like any of the other foliage.

Speaker 6 (01:59:54):
But it was moving. In fact, if I didn't see
it wasn't moving, I wouldn't even have noticed it.

Speaker 12 (02:00:00):
Kind of, and I hate to say this, but it's
kind of like that Predator type of thing, you know
where people talk about, oh, the movie Predator, and yeah,
I didn't want to use that analogy because you.

Speaker 6 (02:00:15):
Know, but it's that's really kind of what it was.
So now I'm just trying to logically think in my
head what that could have been.

Speaker 12 (02:00:24):
And the only thing I could think of, like I said,
it was it was behind some foliage maybe, but I
watched that move for quite a bit, right, And the
other the other.

Speaker 7 (02:00:33):
Thing I definitely wanted to mention, I realized I totally forgot.
At no point during everything that happened with us, was
there anything of reaction from them. They did not throw
rocks of any size, they didn't throw pine cones of
any size, no sticks, no cracking off limbs. When we
heard them, it was definitely bipedal footfall movement as they

(02:00:57):
were coming to get a peek. Part of it is okay,
it's my family group. It's the one I've been around
the most. They know me, and I've said before I'm
lucky my family group. I tend to describe them as
peaceful hippie types. They have never done anything hostile at
me ever, amazing. I don't aproted a lot of disrespect,

(02:01:24):
beating on trees and screaming and howling and yelling. They
understand I'm a little bit different. And I also don't
go and try and provoke them. They're very used to
me doing what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
So the only reason and sixty five Wolf.

Speaker 7 (02:01:41):
Yeah, they wanted to see Apa. They wanted to figure
out what he was doing with humans. It was driving
him crazy.

Speaker 6 (02:01:52):
Yeah, and it really was a like I said, they
did a noise. If without him.

Speaker 12 (02:02:01):
Just fully doing this, I would have never thought of
looking on the ridge, I would have never said it.
Actually was probably more unnerving having it happen like this
then I had to have stuff thrown at me, because
at least if I would have had stuff thrown, heard
some crunching, heard some things more than what we did,
it would have been okay, I know their ear, you know,

(02:02:25):
I'm just gonna call them down to be fine. But
I didn't know the intention of what was going on,
and you could definitely feel surrounded, especially right at the
end there. He was so focused and when he started
doing the backing up and looking, he literally was I

(02:02:46):
got the impression this thing was kind of right next
to Greg, like, you know, only maybe ten foot away.

Speaker 6 (02:02:54):
And that was kind of, like I said, very nerving.

Speaker 7 (02:02:58):
Yeah, And I was fully where. I was fully aware.
I could feel it. I knew they were there. I
felt it, and I knew they were basically flanking us
uphill and even coming from the down hill, peeking, trying
to get a better look at all of us, but
especially Appa. I guarantee, I just I guarantee you that's

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what was going on, because they weren't doing anything hostile.
They didn't try and intimidate this. There was no foot stamping,
there was nothing. They tried to come in as quietly
as they could in ninja mode, and I haven't experienced this.
They will do that when they're not entirely certain of

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what's going on and they're trying to get a better
look and get their head around it and figure it out.
And man, they can get close to you. And Doug,
you know, we talked about my first appearance. I had
Big Daddy in the family group come right up behind
me in the dark. Had no idea it was him coming.
Sounded like a rat something screwing around behind me, and

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I'm sitting there and all of a sudden, it just
felt like something enveloped me and I was like, oh man,
something big is right here, right behind me. And then
that's when I became aware of what I call the
Darth Vader breathing the He's so close. I'm listening to
him breathe in and out, and you know, so, yeah,

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they have approached me very closely in the dark before.

Speaker 2 (02:04:30):
By the way, Jeff, can you get a hold of
Greg privately and find out what energy he drank he buys?

Speaker 7 (02:04:39):
You know, I love this. I'm so I'm so happy
about what happened. I mean, well, not happy about apa
get in traumatized because when I can go out and
do things that nobody else has done before, do something
like this, do an experiment like this, and it's just

(02:05:01):
this colossal success beyond what I ever had hoped. Oh,
you're pumped conjacked about it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:08):
Well, no, it's cool. I love I love your passion. Greg,
you know what I really do. I mean you're an
ideal guest too, because you're you are so pumped Mark. Uh,
we haven't heard your story from nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 6 (02:05:25):
Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 12 (02:05:27):
Let me let me just interject on the sure the
thing with the them coming around us that when when
it kicked up and he freaked even further, it was
like an alert that okay, and Greg was tuck.

Speaker 6 (02:05:43):
We talked about this afterwards.

Speaker 12 (02:05:45):
I really feel that they felt as soon as the
wind kicked that they had a go like, Okay, they're
not going to hear us, these guys aren't gonna hear us.
Let's just start moving in. He picked it up immediately
because he went from high alert to sheer terror. And
that's like I said, that was when I thought, okay,

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these they're right here, you know. And but it only
happened as soon as that wind kicked. Yeah, but yeah, anyways, Yeah,
I'll tell you my story on.

Speaker 6 (02:06:23):
Just out of high school. It was about I think
it was in eighteen eighty.

Speaker 12 (02:06:25):
Five, and I had heard lots of stories from around here.
Growing up road motorcycles and heard people talking about all
kinds of stuff. We used to have a legend of
the whistler out at this place that we used to
ride all the time out by Glease area and Quartz

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Creek is what it was called. But I never put
too much into that. Well, I went four buying this.
This was just at the start of winter, so it
was probably maybe October November. We had an early snow,
I remember that year. And I went up with a
friend of mine and he had a lifted Toyota and
he had this girl that he was seeing at the time,

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and we went up to have a few beers, you know,
and we this was a little ways out of town
here and basically your fire road with a cutout old
logging road or whatever, with a turnaround, just like me
and Greg grew up. But we turned around, got in

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the snow. He was on the on the passenger side,
and they were playing in the snow throwing snowballs, and
I'm on the driver's side and I'm probably about maybe
ten to fifteen foot from the.

Speaker 6 (02:07:47):
Edge of the.

Speaker 12 (02:07:50):
Embankment, and it went up probably twenty thirty yards, maybe
it might have been a little more than that, it
was dark.

Speaker 14 (02:07:57):
And.

Speaker 12 (02:07:59):
Behind that the moon was back behind the mountain edge there,
and so I could just see the silhouettes of trees.

Speaker 6 (02:08:07):
And I'm sitting there.

Speaker 12 (02:08:07):
I'm drinking my beer and just so you know, wasn't
drunk because I just started drinking the beer.

Speaker 10 (02:08:13):
So yeah, I know.

Speaker 6 (02:08:15):
Everybody asked me you sure you had too much?

Speaker 12 (02:08:17):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:08:18):
No, yeah, and even said I could, I could pack
them away if I need to, but no.

Speaker 7 (02:08:22):
But uh.

Speaker 12 (02:08:25):
So I'm sitting there and it's it's dead quiet, too night,
no wind, and I see this little Christmas tree and
that's what that's what it looked like. Just looked like
a perfect Christmas tree sitting there, maybe five foot tall, and.

Speaker 6 (02:08:41):
It's moving like this.

Speaker 12 (02:08:43):
It's just kind of, uh moving back and forth, and
I thought it was kind of odd. I kept saying,
what is that, you know, why is this thing moving?
There's something up there moving this tree, and you know,
I'm watching it for a while and it's just kind
of it'd move and then it'd moved back, and it'd

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move and move.

Speaker 6 (02:09:05):
Back, and uh.

Speaker 12 (02:09:08):
So finally and I tell my my friend Mom at
the time, I said, hey, I go take a look
at this. You know. And he comes around and he
looks and I go, what the heck is that? And he's, well,
something must be up there. I go, well, there must
be a critter. So I get the idea. I'm like, well, shit,
I'm gonna go up and see, you know. And back

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then I didn't have a fear of going. I could
just go in the woods at night. I didn't care,
you know. And so I finished my beer and I
start to walk over to the embankment go up, and
I didn't get maybe.

Speaker 6 (02:09:45):
Three steps, and this tree stood up.

Speaker 12 (02:09:50):
It stood up, and mind you, it's just a silhouette,
and then it walks off to the side, and I thought,
and that an instant, I thought, who the hell's up here?
And right about then the trees just started cracking branches

(02:10:12):
and it made this warbling, god awful sound that dug
you you you let me hear one that was similar.

Speaker 6 (02:10:19):
To it, but it was more of a just a
a you know, and it reverberated through your chest.

Speaker 12 (02:10:27):
And at the exact same time, there's branches and saplings
breaking coming. It's coming down like a bear just blows
through the trees, you know. So I dive into the
driver's side a friend of mine was already in the
He was inside the passenger side with the girl stuffed

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down by the floorboards. And I had got in and
started this thing up. And mind you, this was a
lifted four by four Toyota back in the days. That
was the popular thing, as good as high as you can,
and the two or three foot are probably a little
more than that actually, But where the truck was is there.

Speaker 6 (02:11:13):
Was a ditch kind of that went up just before that. Well,
I went to started.

Speaker 12 (02:11:19):
That thing up, and I immediately caught kind of this
presence of this thing here, and I didn't want to look.
I was kind of more like you know when you're
a kid watching horror movies and you're just looking through
your eyes, and I kind of looked peripheral vision, and
I swear I seen almost like the belly chest area

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of this thing that filled up the window. And it
was very dark, so I could only see from the
lights of the dash shining through that.

Speaker 6 (02:11:51):
But it was enough that and I hit the throttle
on that thing. I literally kind of went into the
side ditch as I was driving down.

Speaker 12 (02:12:00):
I'm not I couldn't say for certain if it slapped
the back because something kicked us sideways, and I don't
know if that was me. I was so sheer terror
panic that it was just you know, it's scared to
hell out. I mean, it was something I never wanted

(02:12:21):
to ever experience again, you know. And but I you know,
it took me a while to even go back in
the woods after that. And yeah, it was it was
really really freaky. And then since then, I you know,
I started to tell some people I actually heard some

(02:12:44):
of the sound very similar on the Sierra Sounds too.
That was years later, and I thought, well, that that's
that's it right there, That's what I heard. And that's
what kind of got me into just looking at this
and then basically telling my story to people. And I
worked up the hospital, this health care organization here for

(02:13:08):
thirty seven years, and I've had doctors, surgeons, I've had
them tell me stuff, you know, they won't tell me.
Right with the group of people were sitting and we
were sitting at lunch a lot of times be a
group of us. And then afterwards, you know, I'll tell
my story and and uh, I think a lot of
people tell me, ah, you're you know, crazy, You're sure

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you weren't drunk?

Speaker 6 (02:13:30):
That's that's the first thing.

Speaker 12 (02:13:32):
And yeah, and uh but then sooner later the only
radiologists or the surgeon will sit there and he'll be like,
you know, I had this, this situation happened to me
when I was backpacking or or something like that. And
and that's kind of how like like I still dug
you know, he asked me a bigfoot researcher. You know,

(02:13:54):
I'm I don't consider myself a bigfoot researcher. I just
kind of I've been around a lot of people that
have told me a lot of stories and and now
I'm just kind of falling into a lot of this.

Speaker 2 (02:14:06):
So, well, how did you meet Mark Greg?

Speaker 7 (02:14:11):
It started because he sent me a message ahead of
the Sportsman show here in Medford, knowing I was doing
talks on wolves and bigfoot, and he goes, hey, I've
been followed with you for a while and I want
to bring Afa to beat you and maybe you can
use him. And I'm like sure, so show up. And
that started it, and then we obviously we've struck up
a friendship and and you know, it's it's been kind

(02:14:35):
of interesting, you know, kind of watch this evolve because
you know, he I know, he's never been out with
somebody like me who's an investigator, who has a lot
of experience directly with them. So when I'm telling him
here's what we're going to do, here's what may happen,
and then I take you out in the woods and

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we're sitting in this place where they could have pro
us and get to within ten twenty feet of us
and we may not know they were there, no flashlights,
just in the dark. Yeah, it had to be a
little unnerving. But I love the fact he bought in
on the concept because I said, I really want to
get Apa in there. I want to see how he

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reacts to them being there, or if wild wolves show up.
I did have something on this trip. I don't normally
take fire.

Speaker 2 (02:15:28):
What do you Well, let me interrupt you for a minute, Greg,
What do you talk about for an hour to talk
about bigfooting wolves? What do you cover? Well?

Speaker 7 (02:15:38):
Mark's heard the presentation. I have to cut myself off.
I could keep going.

Speaker 2 (02:15:46):
Did Jeff turn his camera off?

Speaker 12 (02:15:50):
I got to add something to Greg Steele. I actually
met him before that. Greg, that's right, okay, in Keve
Junction at the meet, and I might have even seen
you before over at the expo. One time, probably years
before I went out to he Greg had a talk

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out in uh Hay Junction.

Speaker 7 (02:16:13):
That was actually it was Scott Vailette from Squat There
you go, but you yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:16:19):
There you go, And and I had a lot of
you know what people tell me stuff out there. I
actually I had my own brother that worked for ups
uh says he's seen seen one driving out there. Drove
drove down the road, turns the corner down the and
and he used to have one of those uh routes

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that was he had like three packages, you know, the
whole day, but they were so far out that that's
why he did it. But he drove down the road
seeing this figure sitting down the road a quarter mile,
He's like, what the heck is that guy doing here
out here?

Speaker 6 (02:16:54):
All in black? And the guy just goes up the
side of the mountain and he's like, oh crap.

Speaker 16 (02:17:00):
You know.

Speaker 6 (02:17:01):
So I had him tell me that.

Speaker 12 (02:17:03):
I've had a lot of people uh in that actually
area tell me in that area. And I actually got
asked to go out there with another friend of mine,
Hey let's go check this out. And that's when I
see Greg the first time. And then like I said,
I've been just falling into this too. I have a
eight hours of recording from a friend that I've got

(02:17:29):
to go through, and and I've already picked found a
lot of whistles and howls or not howls, but stuff
that's definitely not you know, anything else.

Speaker 7 (02:17:40):
But by the way, you may want to kick that
through Dave, because Dave is one of the best. Okay,
so I'll sure we got the right guy in the
right place at the right time.

Speaker 2 (02:17:51):
Okay, yeah, let me interrupt Kenny hess I had a question,
or actually a comment. He's like, back of the truck,
would you be willing to like ride around with op
in the back of a truck on old forest roads? Uh?
And OPA could alert you for other good areas to
do research, you know what.

Speaker 6 (02:18:11):
I could probably do that.

Speaker 12 (02:18:13):
He actually don't even need to be in the back
of a truck. He was senting right out of the
van with the windows down. He immediately knew just before
Greg even stopped there was something, you know, I could
I could just tell when I when I watch him,
I know, okay, that's a deer, that's a you know,

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something that he knows.

Speaker 2 (02:18:36):
But it's nothing he doesn't know it's David. David, would
you even be willing to take one of your giant
horse dogs? I think are the Great Danes?

Speaker 17 (02:18:46):
Well, actually we we've lost Rex.

Speaker 12 (02:18:49):
So we're.

Speaker 2 (02:18:52):
Oh, you don't have any dogs?

Speaker 17 (02:18:53):
Oh springtime?

Speaker 2 (02:18:57):
Yeah, he had a beautiful Uh oh my god, my dog.
I'd be on the phone with David. Rex would bark
and I'd be like, is that a dinosaur?

Speaker 7 (02:19:09):
To answer something I was asked about writing around looking
for spots, Here's the thing. One of the mistakes I
think people make are chasing encounters or wandering around. I've
hit the jackpot. I know exactly where I need to
be from the end of July to the beginning of October,
because I know my family group is there. The other

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reason for the jackpot not just the presence of them
being there. They know me, they know who I am.
We have a relationship of trust. Remember Big Daddy.

Speaker 2 (02:19:44):
Still sure, Greg, Greg, you're feeding of energy drinks?

Speaker 7 (02:19:47):
I agree with him.

Speaker 2 (02:19:50):
Watched you.

Speaker 7 (02:19:52):
They pumped me up because I really understand. I watch
so much video, so many TV shows. I've watched all
these things that people are killing themselves to do, and
I watched so much of it and go no wrong,
You've got to go to the area they're going to

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be at, let them get to know you and do it.

Speaker 2 (02:20:19):
And let them come to you.

Speaker 7 (02:20:21):
Exactly.

Speaker 12 (02:20:22):
Yeah, I agree, because I know of another area that
Greg knows to uh and it's and it's not something
that I've found or anything. It's actually elk hunters that
have told me and for actually years now, and it's
been very consistent. So it's like I I I don't

(02:20:46):
think I think it's you you find an area. I mean,
you might be able to take your dog around and
and find an area, but if you've got someplace that
you're you know that. That's the key is listening to
maybe some purports if you I would imagine if you
don't know of an area, but other than that, once
you find that area, they're not gonna go away. The

(02:21:10):
I don't know how long Greg's been in that area,
but I know this other area that there's people. It's
right in an area where they go hell hunting and
just before elk hunting and deer season and stuff. There's
been consistent every year now at this time of year,
August July or July August, they've gotten you know, Wooden

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knocks and howls and whoops and everything.

Speaker 2 (02:21:37):
Have you, guys, ever tried doing like a wood knock
at your own home, if you live in the forest
or near the woods, have you ever tried doing that
right right at your homestead.

Speaker 7 (02:21:49):
To try to try and attract attention from them? No,
but if I get knocked out, I will do a
reply knock. If I'm able to, or if I'm not
listening to them communicate among themselves. They have a three
to one pattern in virtually everything that repeats over and

(02:22:11):
over again, the vocalizations, especially in the whoops, the knocks,
the rock knocks, the whoops, It goes more like this,
and then you get the reply from another point.

Speaker 10 (02:22:29):
So when I get.

Speaker 2 (02:22:30):
Trigged, hold on, Greg, sorry, hold on Greg David. Is
that something you've kind of found true to patterns? Yes, okay, yeah.

Speaker 17 (02:22:42):
And one of the things that just kind of cropped
up with Chris Reinhardt recently and others is it kind
of reminded me of my very first recording in this
one location of a wood knock and a howl short
how afterwards, So it's a it's a knock and a howl,

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and then you wait and you get another knock, and
so yeah, we've had patterns happen before where they would
answer us and the same you do two, they do two,
you do three, they do three, kind of a thing.
So I've had that happen before.

Speaker 7 (02:23:27):
So, like I said, more commonly for me, if they
tree knock at me and I can't respond with a knock,
I definitely do the back at them. And that's kind
of the hey, hello, yeah, I'm here, and everything moves
on as it moves on, But to go out and
howl and tree knock and try and provoke an encounter

(02:23:51):
with them that way. I quit doing that in twenty
fourteen because I realized that actually didn't work. I found
more effective.

Speaker 2 (02:24:01):
So so great. Are you ever in any kind of
fear mode? Have you ever been surprised where you just, yeah,
you're uneasy because you don't really know what these things are.
Do you ever feel afraid? How about you? Mark ever?
Oh yeah, okay, Mark.

Speaker 6 (02:24:19):
Hell yeah, yeah, there's no question on that.

Speaker 12 (02:24:21):
I mean, you know, this is this, you know, the
first time you know, I had something to happen, and uh,
this time for sure, it's very unnerving, you know, especially
in the back of your mind.

Speaker 10 (02:24:37):
It's with me.

Speaker 12 (02:24:38):
I'm I'm trying to rule out everything this whole time.
I'm really trying to rule out everything. I'm like, okay,
I'm not I'm not gonna fall into this. And and
I'm thinking, okay, is it a bear? And I'm like, well,
bears don't split up and start circling and trying to
to uh, you know, encircle you, and neither the pack

(02:24:58):
of wolves might but that you know, I know Appa
would have responded different and they wouldn't have done like that.

Speaker 6 (02:25:04):
We would have heard him, So you know.

Speaker 12 (02:25:07):
That leaves the only thing is that, which is whether
you believe it's a eight hundred pound uh Deanderthal man
or an eight hundred pound gorilla. You know, it's a
it's a primate that could carry you to shreds. And
there was only three of us up there, and you know,
I did have my my pistol, but I didn't even

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I didn't even.

Speaker 6 (02:25:29):
Think about that. You know, I had my nine millimeter
and I don't it would have been like a BB gun,
I imagine. Yeah, it's just yeah, you.

Speaker 7 (02:25:37):
Know, it's it's it's the whole steaming wilder thing from
blazing saddles. No, no, don't shoot, will only make them mad.

Speaker 6 (02:25:45):
Exactly exactly.

Speaker 12 (02:25:47):
You know Greg, Greg's you know, he's been in his
area enough time that he's comfortable up there. I could
actually see Greg was getting very you know, uh yeah,
you think they had energy drink now up there?

Speaker 6 (02:26:02):
He was He was a lancey.

Speaker 14 (02:26:04):
It was not.

Speaker 6 (02:26:09):
I mean, he was given it together. I was trying
to keep it together for him.

Speaker 12 (02:26:13):
But yeah, it was very unnerving, you know, Like he said,
he made a statement that these bigfoots are sitting up
here wondering what these three guys are doing with a wolf,
And I'm thinking, what are these three guys and a
wolf doing up here?

Speaker 6 (02:26:26):
Without a fifty cows.

Speaker 7 (02:26:32):
Answer your question. Were two times that I wouldn't call
it being terrified, but there were two times where I
was just kind of, oh, wow, what's going to happen here?
The very first time seeing one, especially because that is
such an awesome moment, and you're like, oh, man, I

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knew they were big, I had no idea how big.
And then the second time though, was definitely when Big
Daddy walked up behind me in the dark and he
is so close to me, and I was like, don't
even do anything that he might take as a challenge,
just sit here, face forward, don't try and look at him.

(02:27:14):
I just kept talking to him, going, you know me,
I'm no threat to nothing. I'm just gonna sit here,
listen to what you guys are doing. I'm just gonna
be this bump on the log.

Speaker 6 (02:27:24):
You were that little dog at the weekend at the Yeah, And.

Speaker 7 (02:27:28):
He stood there and watched me for what had to
be at least ten fifteen minutes, and then he realized
I'm just going to keep sitting there, so he takes off.
He heads down the mountain. I hear him head down
the mountain, and I pivot on the log and I
look down in the darkness and I went, thank you,
and I meant it because if there's any truth to

(02:27:50):
some of what I see offered his theories for people disappearing,
we wouldn't all be together right now, because he was
right there, and one I.

Speaker 12 (02:28:01):
Gotta say, I gotta say something on that. So I
I mentioned that thing about the little dog. Well, when
I took Opa to meet Greg at the show, he
there was there were just overwhelmed with people want to
take pictures and everything, and so Greg didn't get to

(02:28:22):
see him that well, you know, yeah, and that's not
even really good picture there. And Greg's a big guy
by the way, so uh anyways, he I told him,
I said, hey, I'll meet you at the.

Speaker 6 (02:28:38):
I actually had to take my wife over to Medford.

Speaker 12 (02:28:43):
To the airport, and I said, hey, I'll uh, I'll
take him with me, and uh, is there any brewery
or any place that allows dogs? And he said sure,
So he told me walk about brewery. So I ended
up meeting him there, brought Apa in there and uh
so immediately Off lays down at his feet and stuff,

(02:29:04):
and well, I.

Speaker 6 (02:29:05):
Got to take him to go pee.

Speaker 12 (02:29:07):
So I take him and there's some a bunch of
other dogs there, and so he wants to go see
them and he walks up to them, and of course,
you know these little.

Speaker 6 (02:29:16):
Dogs, they're just like, oh shit, you know. And Greg
had mentioned that.

Speaker 12 (02:29:21):
On one of his hu his deals on his Facebook
post and he was just like, okay, you're the boss,
you know.

Speaker 6 (02:29:32):
And that just kind of reminded me of when you
were talking about that.

Speaker 2 (02:29:35):
Mark. I think, I think is up.

Speaker 12 (02:29:38):
Why don't you he's oh, he he actually is up
and gone. I think we got a Amazon delivery and
the other dog was barking like crazy, so.

Speaker 2 (02:29:48):
He I'm just saying, why don't you put your headphones
down and go get him?

Speaker 6 (02:29:52):
Let me try to do that.

Speaker 7 (02:29:53):
Yeah, it was funny because Appa got up behind him,
and if you know how tall mar kids, and you
look at the size of his head, you've got a
sense of how big Apa truly was. With Mark's head
and Appa's body moving by in the background, because he

(02:30:13):
is he is a very big boy. He's got that
big frame. And again, the only way I can tell
looking at him that he's not on is those shorter
ling legs and he's got doggy ears for sure. But
take those two things away. And somebody sees him in

(02:30:34):
the woods and describes that to me, I go, congratulations,
you saw a wolf.

Speaker 2 (02:30:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:30:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:30:41):
It's hard to tell too because you get pictures of
him that look, I'm not keep here.

Speaker 7 (02:30:48):
There.

Speaker 2 (02:30:49):
He is.

Speaker 10 (02:30:51):
Beautiful animal, he is.

Speaker 7 (02:30:54):
The other thing is, for as high percentage as he is,
he is the mellowest high percentage I've ever seen. He
is in public settings and.

Speaker 12 (02:31:05):
That's him sitting on the couch, so it's very uh,
you know, you see back there. I don't know what
it is with this camera though, but it doesn't look
very big back there. That's okay, that's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (02:31:20):
So there we go. It's a good it's a good
image right now.

Speaker 6 (02:31:24):
Yeah, see that you get its ears. You look like
a dog sometimes and.

Speaker 2 (02:31:28):
Then here you goes, I'll almost take your wife's hand off.

Speaker 6 (02:31:32):
Yeah, another one there of him.

Speaker 10 (02:31:36):
What a beautiful animal.

Speaker 2 (02:31:38):
Oh nice? Okay, yeah, thank you, thanks Mark. David. Do
you do you know of any other animal reaction stuff?
I mean there's got to be stuff you've heard stories of.
I mean, you talk to more people and more like anybody.

Speaker 17 (02:32:03):
Right off the top of my head, I probably should
have been thinking about that while I.

Speaker 2 (02:32:07):
Was well, I could have warned you. I couldn't I have,
I could have done that, but I didn't. That was
funny too, because I'm like, yeah, David, just go on tonight.
He's like, well, give me another one because he just
got a bunch of new equipment. And I'm like, he's like,
give me another week. And I'm thinking, oh, I said, sure,
that'd be fine. Then I do this to him. Yeah,

(02:32:28):
I got you anyhow, That's all right.

Speaker 17 (02:32:33):
It worked, that's the amazing part.

Speaker 2 (02:32:36):
Yeah, So but what do you think of their the
technique of bringing an animal out like a wolf and
you know, getting the reaction because I don't even know
if you heard the story of what happened.

Speaker 17 (02:32:50):
Well, the only thing I'm not sure about is if
they are doing infrasound. It's a speculations one scenario. And
what would that physically do is does it physically do
something to the dog? That would be I was wondering, Yeah,

(02:33:13):
that would be my only only concern that And you know,
opposite response seems to be like, I'm ready to go.
When you guys are ready to.

Speaker 2 (02:33:24):
Go, would you be willing to go with them to
the spot? Oh?

Speaker 7 (02:33:29):
Sure, Hey, I'd love to have you come. Uh, Like
I said Bart Katino, we're looking at next Tuesday night
for Bart to get be able to stop on his
way back home from being up with the op. But
anytime is wide open for you. The best time to

(02:33:51):
be here in this area to have contact though into
July the beginning of October, and if we can squeeze
you in anywhere within that window. Yeah, I know exactly
where they're at and where they're coming through and why
so that's the beautiful part and that's also why, No,

(02:34:11):
it's kind of fun to be able to say, no,
I don't have to go looking to find territory. I
know exactly where I need to be because they're going
to be there because of these reasons.

Speaker 17 (02:34:23):
Well, you're using the techniques that I pretty much did.
I didn't chase stories. When I got a good story,
I stuck with the witness and we started working together
over time, and so I've got four and five years
in with different witnesses, some of them were at their home,

(02:34:45):
and it just becomes too much after a while. Yeah,
because as I would tell witnesses before we start a project,
I get to be the one that gets in my
car and leaves. You get to stay here. Yeah, and
so you know things, things might start happening around the

(02:35:05):
house that you're not you know, It's it's all fun
and games in the beginning, but then it gets to
be a little much after a couple of years.

Speaker 12 (02:35:12):
So right, Yeah, Doug, and Doug said that about you know,
do you live in the woods. I'm not sure, Greg,
I think you lived more in town, right, And yeah,
I live I live out Ah. It's it's rural. I
mean I can literally take a bike right up to
the hill and I'm on the other side of the
Oregon Caves here whereas where the the that psychologists had seen,

(02:35:38):
you know, and uh so, you know, I don't I've
got enough houses around here that I don't think there
would be. But there's a I've had a cougar in
the backyard. Actually, Appa has I've got pictures. I have
to find it on my phone. He got shredded by
a cougar right next door. My brother used to live

(02:35:59):
right next door here. He moved back to Arkansas, but
he opa I would take him over there and they
I'd let them go and he'd run down to the
creek and just check it out. Well, eleven am, I
had led him out with my other dog, and thank god,
my other dog, Grace, she's you know, a third of

(02:36:19):
his weight, She's only sixty five pounds. And she went
another way and he went straight down to the creek.

Speaker 6 (02:36:27):
And I heard a.

Speaker 12 (02:36:29):
Commotion and I couldn't tell what it was because my
brother was working on a diesel truck. And I start
headed down there because I'm like, okay, he better not
be messing with the neighbor's cat or.

Speaker 6 (02:36:42):
Geese or something. He never would do anything to him.
He just wanted to go see what they were.

Speaker 12 (02:36:47):
Well, he comes back up and he's got blood all
over him, and I'm like, what the hell happened? I
thought a bear had got him and he had just
looked like wolverine tore him up fifty plus stitches, and
they found on a sheath in him. They said it
was a young cougar, you know, And it was I
believe it was bedded down off this little ridge shelf

(02:37:10):
for whatever you want to call it, right next to
the deer trail. So it was just sitting there waiting
for deer to come down to the creek. And yeah,
and he just all hell broke loose and even at
his even at his weight, he was lucky to uh
do that.

Speaker 2 (02:37:26):
But so as the.

Speaker 12 (02:37:27):
Results I get, we get stuff coming up and down
the creek from from the mountain up above.

Speaker 6 (02:37:32):
And I don't think i'd want to have that, Like
you were.

Speaker 12 (02:37:35):
Just saying, David, is that's not something you'd want to
have to live with, you know, just having that in
the back of your mind all the time, that, Okay,
is there something when I go out in that night,
I'm I have to worry about my cats, or do
I have to worry about my dogs, or just worry
about my sanity, you know. So yeah, I don't think

(02:37:59):
i'd even want to try to do anything here. You know,
there is some spots that are very close to my
house though that Like I said, it's it's I've rode
my motorcycle from here right to the Oregon Case and
I could get there very very quickly because it's right
over the top of the hill from me.

Speaker 2 (02:38:21):
Yeah, I was just I was just wondering if you
lived in the woods or you know. Yeah, people a
lot of people don't do research at their own own home. Yeah,
and I don't blame them anyhow. We gotta wrap this up.
We're gonna we're gonna run, give you all some wisdom,
and then we're gonna be right back. So just hang on, guys.

Speaker 10 (02:38:42):
Oh wait a minute, what one question? Oh keep talking
for a minute.

Speaker 2 (02:38:50):
I uh.

Speaker 10 (02:38:54):
Are you okaysh.

Speaker 12 (02:38:57):
Google, I gotta, I gotta. I had a question about that.
Why are you called a big raguau?

Speaker 10 (02:39:03):
I'm a big Italian meatball, Okay.

Speaker 6 (02:39:09):
I like spaghettia. I like Italian food, so I mean
I kind of figured that was it.

Speaker 2 (02:39:13):
But Jeff cooks mean, he cooks a mean spaghetti too.

Speaker 10 (02:39:17):
Okay, all right, give me here. I had it and
I don't know what the heck happened to it, but
oh uh, give me just a minute here, and don't
have it ready, not less than a minute here.

Speaker 2 (02:39:27):
I always tell David because I know David lives in
a pretty remote area, but you have neighbors, but you
still have a very remote area. It's like, why don't
you do some research in your own damn property. You
know a lot of people don't think of that. Oh
I do.

Speaker 17 (02:39:46):
It's good for others, and it's just not good for David.

Speaker 2 (02:39:48):
Yeah, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 12 (02:39:51):
Well, Greg told me, didn't you tell me? There was
a print that you guys had found not too far
from me on the other side of the hill, by
the fire station or something in the applegate, Yeah, which
is literally I could take my bicycle over there. That
kind of underd me a little bit.

Speaker 7 (02:40:10):
Because, yeah, in the wintertime Grant's Pass, bigfoots will come
in in the wintertime, almost literally within town. And what
he's talking about, there's a road called New Hope Road
in Grant's Pass, And it doesn't matter what site you
look at. The document's bigfoot encounters New Hope Road in
the winter. Even to this day, bigfoot reports come in

(02:40:35):
off that road. One of the best ones that I
heard was I was doing the Bigfoot talk. This lady
shows up. They live on New Hope Road. She's talking
about her son and his friends running around out in
the dark and playing tag and they have like the
little laser tag things. Well, he goes running through the woods.
All of a sudden he sees something take off running

(02:40:57):
away from him that he thinks is one of the
guys on the other team, and he starts shooting at it,
and he starts running faster, shooting the laser that is,
and that thing picks up speed and it's pulled away
from him, and then he stops and he goes Nobody
runs that fast. And then he found out everybody else
was closer to the house. He was out there by himself,

(02:41:19):
and he told me himself there was a bigfoot there
watching us playing. And then I saw it, and I'm
chasing a bigfoot without even realizing at first that's what
I'm chasing. That happened on New Hope Road, literally right
there on the boundary of the Grand's past city limits.

Speaker 6 (02:41:39):
And that's that's in further than me and their stories.
In the middle of town, there's Dollar Mountain.

Speaker 12 (02:41:47):
I told I think I told you the story of
my brother's friend motorcycle riding, used to ride up to
the granite pits and he came back to the truck,
loaded up his bike, just realized that the rear fender
or side plate or something had fell off his bike.
It was a friend of my brother's. He decided, I'm

(02:42:08):
gonna walk back up the road because it had to
fell off between here and the pits, and walked up,
found a finer, came back and said he was met.

Speaker 6 (02:42:17):
In the road by a bigfoot and.

Speaker 12 (02:42:20):
Literally and then he had ran the opposite way and
had to run all the way.

Speaker 6 (02:42:26):
To the Highway I five, which is the other side
of it.

Speaker 12 (02:42:30):
And if you look at Grant's Pass, there's Dollar Amount
with starlight and there's houses all around that whole area.
But we used to ride there when we were kids,
like crazy, And yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (02:42:41):
They need is twenty feet of woods to get back
into the forest. Yep, yeah, you know they live. They
love the edges.

Speaker 12 (02:42:49):
That's probably the closest craziest story I heard. And the
guy that pulled it to well, didn't tell it to
my brother. He actually my brother had to pick him
up and said, what the hell are you doing here
and left your truck there, and he told him the story,
and yeah, it was just very, very strange. And there's

(02:43:11):
other ones like that too. We've had county commissioner, I
will see who it is, but we had one here
that swears up in a granite hill which is just
right here in town. Yeah, he won't go there, and
that's kind of toward the area where I had my
encounter years and years ago.

Speaker 7 (02:43:30):
And yeah, and I'll tell you what, I am so
blessed because I'm so into this and it does not
matter where you go in Jackson and Josephine County. You
are just literally a couple of minutes away from being
where the Bigfoot could be. And you look at the

(02:43:50):
report and the sighting history that backs that up. But
like I said, you know my encounter zone and that's
what I call it now. My encounter zone is an
hour drive out of Medford to the northeast in the Cascades.
And it took some homework to figure this spot out.
And again a big tip of the hat to Moneymaker,

(02:44:11):
because if I hadn't heard him say that the BFRO
expedition in two thousand and eight, just south of Cave
Junction at the Oregon Caves area. If I hadn't heard
him say what he did, I might have never known
exactly what I should be looking for. But when he
described it, I started thinking and going, I know places

(02:44:33):
like that, and I started checking them out until I
hit pay dirt. And now my wife is down here
sitting right next to me. Our first date. I found
the best bigfoot track I have ever found, and it
was right next to the road. And it was our
first date out in the woods. And now here we
are nearly eighteen years later, and I've never been with

(02:44:55):
a human more in my life. I say, we're bigfoot
blessed because we found Greg.

Speaker 2 (02:45:01):
You're blessed because you have a lifetime supply of energy. Drinks.

Speaker 7 (02:45:09):
Well, it's just it's just me and me, and I
get so happy and pumped up about the subject. I
love it.

Speaker 6 (02:45:16):
I'm you.

Speaker 10 (02:45:20):
Yeah, it's great to have you on. Man.

Speaker 2 (02:45:23):
You guys were awesome.

Speaker 7 (02:45:25):
I'm just trying to do this all right.

Speaker 6 (02:45:27):
I'll like hanging around it. It gets me all pumped
up to my God so loud.

Speaker 2 (02:45:33):
Okay, we're just we're just hang tight, Hang tight, guys,
we're back.

Speaker 9 (02:45:38):
It's now time for Untold Radio AM Wisdom of the Week.
This week, instead of asking what if I fail? Try
asking what if this is the step that changes everything?
Because real progress doesn't come from waiting for fear to vanish.
It comes from acting, even with shaky hands and a
racing hard good night.

Speaker 10 (02:45:58):
We hope to see you all next week.

Speaker 9 (02:46:02):
If you like the show tonight, please consider giving us
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subscribing and hitting the bell so you will be notified
when a new episode is dropping. Also, please share this episode.
Now back to Doug and Jeff for our wrap.

Speaker 10 (02:46:21):
All right, we are back.

Speaker 2 (02:46:23):
Thank you Greg, Thank you Mark. You guys were awesome guests.

Speaker 17 (02:46:29):
Thank you David Well, thank you for having me jump in.

Speaker 2 (02:46:32):
Sorry guys over whatever I did coming on and sharing
your great stories. We'll be back.

Speaker 10 (02:46:42):
David.

Speaker 7 (02:46:43):
I'm delighted you came in and reach out. You've got
the invitation to come with me anytime that you want something.

Speaker 6 (02:46:54):
I'd like to meet him in real life. I'd like
to He's the best in this area, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:47:01):
Yeah, thanks again Greg and Mark and gave it and
thanks Jeff, and we will see all here next week,
same time, same channel.

Speaker 10 (02:47:10):
Good night, everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:47:11):
Can I call you up in the middle of tonight?

Speaker 13 (02:47:15):
Been bothered by dreams and feeling all day? You give
me comfort, say just give it some time.

Speaker 18 (02:47:22):
By the end of our talk, I'm feeling just by
you have always know whill we be long? The same,
noordinary we got go in all. I'll pick you up

(02:47:44):
in the fifteen hour Ford.

Speaker 13 (02:47:46):
We head on down the road till we care for it,
just doing the sudden bowl with gluacious top.

Speaker 1 (02:47:55):
Call him the head on home again.

Speaker 13 (02:47:58):
Everybody, Chelsea, would we be long?

Speaker 18 (02:48:05):
We know very we.

Speaker 5 (02:48:08):
Got going at the end of the world together forever
it is one in our ray.

Speaker 13 (02:48:18):
It better you should be in town in oupray. We
never can put us far in always.

Speaker 5 (02:48:27):
But the time when we made together every day, But
it better would be less straight up the way back
come to you again.

Speaker 13 (02:49:00):
Know the world together forever is wall our way. If
ever you should be endowed and operate. They never compose
a part in Lorway.

Speaker 5 (02:49:14):
At the end of the world together forever is fall
in Norway.

Speaker 13 (02:49:20):
It never you should be endowed and outrade.

Speaker 5 (02:49:24):
They never compose a part in our way, one a
time when we pad together, never became know they never
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