Untold Radio AM #263 Surprise Minnesota Bigfoot Encounters with Paul Guffey

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Looking back on the life that you leave him.

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Then rested, hole in the crowd, stick around through.

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The create the feeling.

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Who are the fire.

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You're dancing around? Oh hearing the sound of treating.

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And no one cares where he's coming from.

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My ears are still reading and feeding. I guess we
all knew from the start.

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The days back.

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Tonight's guest big Foot research.

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You know, one of these days will be the world.

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Looking for.

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What a sass miss.

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Leading the fumes of the ashes, the spirits lad up and.

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Down the house.

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We're life from the Untold Radio Network.

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It's Untold Radio Am with.

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Monster Quest producer host Doug Hicheck and co host Jeff
Pirella Jr. Untold Radio Am is going live right now.

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This show is for entertainment purposes only. Yep, that's the ticket.
Now Here are your Untold Radio Am hosts Doug high
Check and Jeff Corella Jr.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Hello, Jeff Pirillajor, Hello, mister Doug high Check. I like
that so formal. Hello, everybody, Welcome to episode two six two.
Oh you're right, yeah, Jeff Mildermar Tribute was two six two, Yes,

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it was. It's stuck in.

Speaker 11 (02:45):
My head for some reason that was a good show.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, So anyhow, yeah, and thanks everybody for attending that
that was a downer, but we needed to do it,
so do thank you. So tonight we've got kind of
a special guest because I've known this man for a
long time. He's a very humble researcher. He's not in

(03:10):
the limelight, but he researches a whole part of Minnesota
and nobody else does, which is southern Minnesota, the bottom lands,
the floodplains, that's where all the floods happen. And he
has just kind of been under the radar doing this.
And I've really, to be honest, I don't know a

(03:31):
lot of researchers that present me the kind of evidence
that he just keeps doing. He's really good at one. Yeah,
he's really good at one type of evidence. And we'll
talk about that today. But the bottom lands of Minnesota.
And I don't know how much time you spent down
there in that those areas, but there's so many rivers

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and greeks and swamps and you know, floodplains and you know,
and that water table is going up and down, up
and down. It's hard to get in there because it's
it's muddy. Yeah, but what a great place to track Bigfoot.

Speaker 11 (04:07):
Sure. Yeah, I spent very little time. I know, way
more about up north, northwest, northeast exactly.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
We all head north to too big for research, he
goes south. Yeah, it's got the whole damn southern Minnesota
to himself anyhow. And then uh, we have what clips
we have trivia tech Tech breakdown will be next week.
But we have a kind of a really cool thing

(04:36):
going on. We have Eric play shows. He's a friend
of the show and he has been doing foyer requests
all over the country looking for smoking guns. Well he
may have found one, and it's a big one, and
he's gonna basically give us the exclusive tonight on sharing them. Oh,

(05:01):
there'll definitely be a part two to this. Someone to
warn everybody, But let's go ahead and get Eric on.

Speaker 11 (05:09):
All right, Welcome Eric.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Hey, guys, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Hey Eryl, No, Eric, you have a new channel called
harry Man Road Channel.

Speaker 11 (05:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Correct, Yeah, it was Media Palace for the longest time,
but switched it over to harry Man Road just because
I thought it was more associated with what I'm doing
right now, and really to honor the Harry Man Road,
which I grew up right next to, because unfortunately they've
destroyed a good portion of it in these last couple
of years.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
And that's where that hole where you found that really strange.
We have to revisit that again the photos and it's
just bizarre. There's like somebody built basically an underground cage
for a big foot.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
It's really Yeah, it's unexplainable. That's here right off of
the Brushy Creek. I mean, had a giant stone face
and you had it into the wall. It was just
some an atomic blast door that would survive in atomic blast.
This crazy stuff.

Speaker 11 (06:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah. Anyhow so we're gonna have to we're gonna have
to get you on and just revisit that old mouse.
But anyhow, so you've been doing Foyer requests and you
really work hard at it, because uh, I know you do,
because you kind of keep me updated on this and that,
and it's like, wow, So you recently sent one somewhere
and I'm mistakenly and I think in my post said Alaska.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well, I think that was my fault. I think I
told you Alaska first. I was mistaken. Yeah, was I
have another case going on with Alaska that I can't
talk about right now.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
You should have blamed me, I would have.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
I will I should have.

Speaker 11 (06:43):
Yeah, I'll blame you. Dugget's okay, that's an.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Old producer trick.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Anyhow, So go ahead and just we'll let you talk.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah. I mean, like you said, I've been doing four
your requests for these last several years, been doing them
all over the country. This year, twenty twenty five, I
think has really been the most productive year as far
as getting stuff back from federal agencies, from local agencies,
and stuff that was really never supposed to be disclosed

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to the public. I mean, I've got internal emails, and
that's kind of what I'm going to go over right now.
I had done a four year request to a county
in the north of Washington, western North Washington, and I
got really lucky. They sent me at least to fifteen hundred,

(07:38):
twelve hundred emails from their email server. I had requested
all of their emails they had on their email server
from a certain date, and it took me a long
time to calm through those.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
But how long did it take care.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
At least two two and a half three weeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And some of them you can just kind of brush off.
You'll see that, you know, some titles and stuff, you know,
I don't need a look at that, But other stuff, yeah,
you definitely want to look into. But I'll give you
an example of this subject line right here that really
caught my eye when I was digging through this. And

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the subject line of this email that was sent to
a Washington university was a subject unidentified bone. So I
guess I'll just read you the portion that kind of
kicked off this full thing, if that's all right. So
subject unidentified bone, and it says an acquaintance and I
saw this bone and an old I'm sorry, I said

(08:37):
an acquaintance and I saw this bone in an old
animal bone collection. The person who collected these is long decease,
so we can't talk to him or ask him any
questions anyway. To me, this looks like a child's jaw bone,
but my acquaintance disagrees, saying it does not have enough teeth.
We do know it was collected in a northwest forest

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about thirty year years ago, which makes it unlikely that
it would be a monkey, though it may be a
baby bigfoot. And they give their name, so it.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Says that it says baby Bigfoot in the letter written
by who who wrote this? Or you don't have to
give their name, but what was that?

Speaker 3 (09:16):
I'm not going to give their name for sure. They
are a pretty high up in a tech company. Okay,
so from the email chain, it's a really long email chain.
They've pretty much inherited this bone collection from someone that
had passed away, a biologist that had passed away. And
I've sent you the image and it's it's really interesting.

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It's a jaw bone, a mandible and it's really thick.
I don't know if you've had a chance to look
at it, Doug, but it's which for the size of
it for a child, I don't know, just doesn't doesn't
look correct. And I I did send this to one
person that is incredibly qualified who deals with bones on

(10:00):
a daily basis, and he looked at it for a
few days and he sent me basically a packet of
images and he's like, I've never seen anything like this before.
So it's interest. It's a good tease. And what the
what happened was this was sent over to university. The

(10:21):
university got kind of freaked out by they contacted the
local authorities and the local authorities says, hey, we need
a DNA test this, and the center of the original
email is like okay, you know, saying we'll reach out
and we'll get a test it. And there's like seven
or eight unanswered emails. They really wanted to test this bone,

(10:42):
and from this email chain, it doesn't they even well, yeah,
they even threatened some legal action there. They really wanted
to get this bone, and I guess communication was cut
off from the center on their end. And I do
not believe, at least in this email chain, they were
able to DNA test whatever this thing was, right, So

(11:02):
it's it's strange, Doug, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
I mean, yeah, well, we have a photo and it's
a good clear photo. It's a close up. I will
get this off tonight along with a thoughtful letter to
two different anthropologists and we'll just kind of start there
and just see where this goes. But yeah, it does
at first glance it looks weird. It definitely looks human like.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Though, right. And the person I did send this off to,
he's not an anthropologist or anything like that, but again,
he works with bones on a being the basis he
was saying the teeth were massive for a child, like
those teeth were really big and if you see the molars.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
There, yeah, yeah, that's definitely not like a normal child molars.

Speaker 9 (11:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
And there are emails, internal emails between the people in
that agency, and they're saying they're kind of infighting, saying
this could be this, this could be that, and then
I think the last one says this guy was a
biology just you know, uh, he knew what he was
looking at, and the fact that he just kind of
I don't know or died this for over thirty years.

(12:09):
You hear about this stuff. You hear about private collections
and things like that. I don't ever, I don't think
anything is ever surface from that. But this email is interesting.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
It's so okay. So the person that you sent it to, yes,
was intrigued. Did they They didn't offer a conclusion.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Though, Well, they they gave me what they thought it was.
They they did think it was a juvenile hyeah. Really wow,
that's what they told me. And again, this is the
person that deals with bones on a daily basis and
knows what they're talking about. And uh, you know, I

(12:47):
really i'd really like to hear what you guys are
gonna say about it.

Speaker 12 (12:50):
Doug.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
What I'm going to do is send it off blind,
so I'm not gonna give me any insturm, just gonna say,
what is this? It seems odd to me. I'll say that,
but I won't say anything else, and just see what
they come back with. And then I'll get into the
the story and you know, blah blah blah. But let's
see what their first reaction is. And it's really important

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that the people I choose are very well versed in
all of the primate jaws, absolutely, just to make sure
it's not a standard you know, a chimp lower jar
or gorilla lower jar or whatever. So that's going to
be really important. So maybe a week, So we should

(13:31):
kind of plan on maybe having you come back next
week and I, you know, and do this because and
maybe that bon't see. You do have some names, so
it's possible we could find that jaw.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
No, I do have some names. And I've actually tried
contacting the person that sent that original email, but I
should have said this earlier. This email chain was from
twenty twelve. That's how long it's been.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Yeah, but that's still it's still within recent you know, yeah,
you know what thirteen years ago it's not like it's
forty years ago. Maybe maybe if in other words, if
we have the motivation, then we can really get on
it and start searching out these people. You'd be surprised.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, I think there's a few things that we do
know from this. We do know that again it was
in a collection of a biologist.

Speaker 12 (14:24):
We know that.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
We know that it was found at least thirty years
ago in the Pacific Northwest.

Speaker 12 (14:29):
We know that.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
And yeah, I mean we really kind of Well, the
other thing was the internal emails were saying, was that
and also they kind of coroborated what I'd sent. The
person I'd sent it to said they looked at and
they both said, this has never been buried before. It
was never in the ground. It's too clean for that.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, it didn't look buried to me either. It looked
like it was found above ground and it's it's fairly
bleached clean. Yeah, but there's how many teeth are missing?
Most there's only like what teeth.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Well, that's the other thing. Uh, the number of teeth
doesn't seem right either. The number of teeth seems off.
And that's the main thing. The guy highlighted, Like he
says that it doesn't seem like the right number of
teeth for yeah, kid, that age doesn't seem like the
right number of teeth. And there are a couple of
front front areas in the bottom to where it looks like, uh,

(15:21):
there's a gap and then there's two teeth kind of
in the front, almost like a rabbit or hamster kind of.
It's weird, it looks it looks weird.

Speaker 11 (15:27):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah, I mean, we could find out it isn't even human.
I mean that's a possibility.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
And I you know, God forbid it is some you know,
a kid or something that was you know, out there,
something happened.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Let's see. Uh Verac said, are we going to see it?
That's a question I cannot answer. Only you and Eric.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Well, I'd like to get some expertise on this and
maybe they can come on with us and what we're seeing.
Think that'd be the best bet.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
So I guess the answer is yes, just gotta be patient.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yet Yeah, not yet. Yeah, we you know, we we
have it. You've seen it. I think I've seen it.
One or two other people have seen it. So I'm
kind of keeping this close to my chest because I
don't want you know, I don't want anybody to be harassed.
I don't want any type of you know.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Crazy already, see already this is Jeff Meldern would have
been a perfect candidate to send this to. And this
is to illustrates how bad we're gonna miss Jeff.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, yeah, no, exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one of
the four year quests I've received over this past year. Again,
I've gotten some really amazing stuff over this past year
that it's it's pretty incredible stuff. And I'm actually my
book that I kind of put everything in is going

(16:44):
to be releasing this Saturday. So if anyone's interested in
seeing actual documentation national reports, law enforcement reports that have
the word Bigfoot in them, they're here. They are here.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
So what's the name of your book, Eric.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
The book is Bigfoot the Redacted Truth. Oh cool, cool,
And you'll see why when you see the reports there,
a lot of them are just blacked out.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Well, you've been doing for your requests for how long
on Bigfoot?

Speaker 12 (17:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Since about twenty twenty two.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, yeah, so three years of searching all sorts of places.
It's good. Well, by the way, you are welcome to
hang out or you can buzz off or whatever watch
the show.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
I got a jet I am taking off tomorrow morning.
So I appreciate you inviting me on, and I really
look forward to hearing what your experts are going to
say about this.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
I will be in touch, hopefully maybe even by tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Perfect prefire.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
All right, thank you so much, Eric.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Thanks you guys.

Speaker 11 (17:44):
All right, thanks so thank you. Wow, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Definitely to be continued.

Speaker 11 (17:52):
And for the record, I have not seen it either,
so I'm just as excited as everybody else to learn
more about this. Yeah, I know as much as you
guys do. Cool.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
All right, let's let's do some quick news here.

Speaker 13 (18:03):
Some news here we go, untold radio news that can
be a bit weird, is right now?

Speaker 4 (18:17):
First up is uh It says experts issue warning a
warning over concerning new coyote behavior. It's important that people
are aware. And I'm thinking, what could that possibly be
new other than they're getting used to us. I mean,

(18:37):
we've kind of known that anale.

Speaker 11 (18:39):
Jeff, Yeah, getting pretty comfortable our own people.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
I mean I remember doing a trailer for I think
it was a Discovery channel called Invaders, and it was
about coyotes moving into Chicago and New York and Central
Park and you know, sneaking into coffee shops and all
sorts of weird stuff. But let me let me go
ahead and read this says coyotes are moving in even

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to Central Park, so that is not news to me.
Coyote is once mostly found in the Great Plains in
the Southwest, are now showing up in city scapes like
New York. Apparently twenty of these beasts are roaming New York.
And by the way, did you ever see the movie
wolfin I did not know? Written by Whitley Streamer.

Speaker 11 (19:28):
Yeah, I'm really with it. I've just ever seen it.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
I recommend it. You know, it's an older movie now,
but Whitley was a great writer, and he wrote this movie.
It's about wolves moving into the the like the sewer
systems and the subway systems and hunting, you know, of
all things rats. And it's kind of interesting. Anyhow, It

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says here twenty rome New York now and to her
named Romeo and Juliet, and apparently they joined the park
in twenty nineteen, and their presence shows just how well
wildlife adapts urban life. And so they're just going on
to stress the awareness not to fear these creatures. Apparently.

(20:19):
It says they're sensitive creatures, they're not threats, one resident explained.
But coexistence comes with challenges. Studies show City coyotes eat
plenty of human scraps, raising risks of conflict obviously, and
the main conflict is probably you know, letting your dog out,

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and so it just goes on. It's kind of the
same old thing. And my reaction is, there hasn't been
black bears that have moved into New York City proper yet,
but I'm going to predict that right now, ye all
that within five years we're going to have black bears
one or two roaming around New York Central Park. It's

(21:03):
hard to comprehend.

Speaker 11 (21:05):
Yeah, that's pretty much.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Like, well, New Jersey is right next door and they're
sitting on like forty thousand black bears at this time,
so it's it's kind of nuts, all right. Next, researchers
make a surprising discovery about bison behavior and Yellowstone and
says that this has got important consequences. So bottom line

(21:31):
here is Yellowstone bisons are you know, a great addition
and have been there and they were how would I
say it kind of domesticated when they you know, for
many years, but now they're rewilding the park. It's spent
enough years now, so it says Yellowstone bisons have rebounded
to about five thousand, and that is a lot, it says.

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Now scientists say these massive grazers aren't just surviving, they're
reshaping the entire ecosystem. New research shows heavy buyson grazing
supercharges the nitrogen cycle, producing plants up to one hundred
and fifty percent more nutritious than in untouched areas. So

(22:15):
that's interesting. They're measuring the nutrition, you know, not just
the amount or the types, because it's usually the amounts
and types. It says, by keeping grass is short, the
nutrient rich bison boosts biodiversity and soil health. Gee, I
wonder how they do that job. Yeah, guess providing Yellowstone

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herds are the key ecosystem architects, not just park mascots.
The other thing I do know they do is they
preserve some of the deep, deep, deep frost. If there
is anywhere the frost will last longer in the spring.
Ad by is it because it keeps the ground packed down.

(23:03):
Oh so you get more of a permafrost because they've found,
like all the permafrost is melting up, and you know
in the arc, the Russian Arctic or here or there.
Well they found because the muskox were missing. Sense you know, Jeff,
I got to put another quarter in the jar. Did
you hear that? Did you hear that? I got busted?

(23:26):
I owe you fifty cents?

Speaker 11 (23:27):
Now, okay, I got a double check mine yet silent.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
See that's what I'm hoping for. Uh So that's pretty
much yet. But it's just you know, it's their very
fertile poop that's causing this, with a lot of seeds
in it. All. Right, Next, this is a great story
and I can relate to this because it says this

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unusual hybrid found in Texas is the first of its
kind ever photographed and ever in the wild. It's called
a groo jay. It's a high bred yes between a
green jay and a blue jay. Now I found this interesting.
You'll find out why. It says, meet the greu jay,
Texas one of a kind bird. Texas birders are used

(24:16):
to spotting blue jays and sometimes their tropical cousin, green jays,
drifting up from Mexico. But in May twenty three, one
backyard north of San Antonio hosted something brand new, a
j with a green jay's crown in a blue jay's
tail and never before seen blue throat patch. Genetic tests

(24:39):
confirm it this was a funky color. How did they
get a genetic test from the poop? I hope they didn't.
Hope they didn't pop it with a baby gun.

Speaker 11 (24:49):
I hope not. I mean, ye, the in the scat
as they said, I.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Guess I'm hoping yeah. Anyhow, so apparently it's to mashup.
But the reason I thought it was so interesting because
I was the first person to ever photograph a half
mallard male with a with a goose. And so the

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goose it was a Canadian goose with a bright green head.
It was really amazing and I got two photographs. It
made I believe it or not, it made world news
back and way back before the internet, and I was
doing radio interviews as far away as Ireland about this.
But I've got to find the originals now. I should

(25:39):
get them up or somewhere put them up on I'm
told or it's really interesting. And I've got one of
during with its mate. Both of them are with its mate,
which is really interesting, and I called it. I named
it the mal Goose. Yeah. I was doing word mashups
even back then. Wow, it's like the anyway, just a

(26:01):
personal story there. Let's see here. H then let's do
some weird and fastness. Jeff, It's time for weird and
fast knees? Was that McJagger screaming kind of sounded like,

(26:25):
all right, the world's first AI designed viruses target super bugs?
Oh God, what can go wrong here? Yeah? It says
researchers use AI to design entire bacteria flage genomes and
then built working flages or however you say it. How

(26:45):
do you say that? Fage just foge? Probably Fage William
would know he's in our audience phase. God, I'm just
not good at that. Apparently these phages.

Speaker 11 (27:02):
I could be wrong, but that's what I think it is.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
I hope you are that in fact that infect rugg
resistant bacteria. And I'm thinking what can go wrong here?
It says early days of you know, research hints at
on demand anti virals, so they're thinking they're gonna use
AI for on demand anti virals. And I'm just reading

(27:25):
things like this scare me to do it says the
Huge Medical upside and big safety questions, and I'm like, really,
so AI can write viruses now? All good? A great idea, Yes,
it's just oh it's amazing. Yeah, what could go wrong?

(27:47):
That's all I came saying in my mind? What could
go wrong? Could you imagine what you know?

Speaker 11 (27:52):
We all be population?

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Yeah, we all know about yeah, what we faced in
twenty twenty two, And I'm like, God, atomic conveyor belts
could speed up quantum computers. And I'm thinking, okay, that
sounds good. Just what we need is a speedier quantum
computer so we can whip up those AI viruses quicker.

(28:19):
Condensed physicists demoed an atomic conveyor belt that shuttles cubits
to the most reliable parts of a chip. It's an
engineering boost that could cut air rates and nudge us
closer to practical quantum advantage. It says, basically, we're ubering

(28:43):
atoms across computer chips, if that makes sense. We're throwing
the We're throwing the atoms in taxis and running them
quicker to the to the chip that collects the data.
Oh goody, So we need you faster computers?

Speaker 11 (29:01):
Yeah, well we do.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Actually, for well, we do but I mean, it's gonna
be a lot of years before a weekend by quantum.
But I'm sure if somebody with some budget it is
kind of evil on their mind, we'll have the budget
to buy quantum computers.

Speaker 11 (29:16):
So I think that I think the biggest problem is
going to be the availability of electricity. But we'll see.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's this plant they're building. Where where
they build it, like Tennessee or Georgia or is it Florida.
That huge data center that's going to use so many
killer wats, it's insane, all right. Next, the oldest evidence

(29:42):
of mummification pushes all timelines back, all of them. What
do you like that drawing? Do you like that drawing?

Speaker 11 (29:52):
That's cool?

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yeah, what are you going to show?

Speaker 12 (29:55):
It?

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Says condensed chemical fingerprints and burial context suggest intentional embalming
far earlier than textbook's claim, meaning that organized, advanced mortuary
techniques existed long before the Pharaohs and Egypt perfected it.

(30:19):
So I'm like, well, doesn't that kind of change everything?

Speaker 11 (30:23):
Well, that fits in a lot of theories. A lot
of people think that Egypt is more of a copycat civilization. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, interesting.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Not that they want to hear that. But and then
a two thousand year old Roman bridge post posts have
resurfaced in a river. It since two thousand year old
Roman bridge reposts posts resurface in a river and I
don't know a resurface water must have been low. Oh,

(30:54):
here we go. Construction work exposed hundreds of oak piles
from a Roman bridge and a Swiss riverbed. And uh,
apparently these posts were prime for tree ring dating and
fresh look at everyday imperial engineering and trade routes. So

(31:15):
there you go. Tree rings are nature's time stamps.

Speaker 11 (31:19):
Yeah, so there you go.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
It's all archaeological eye detecture.

Speaker 11 (31:26):
It's it's extremely reliable too. Tree rings are a pretty
reliable indicator.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
And isn't it true one tree ring equals one year?

Speaker 11 (31:36):
I believe so?

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Or is it a decade or.

Speaker 11 (31:41):
Typically a year? There might be some variation, but typically
it's a year. And what's so cool is that there's
so much corroboration with this huge catalog of trees that
have been you know, looked at, that that just everything
fits together. You can kind of you can kind of
fit in the scale of where things fit. It's I'm
not explaining that very good. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
And then next sub merged port kind of ties in.
A submerged port near Cleopatra's eir Era was mapped by divers.
Obviously it's underwater and it has recently been mapped by divers.
And it says divers mapped a large harbor near uh
to pour the tape war serious is that? I'm man,

(32:31):
I'd like to say that one smooth word to poreos
to porous iris. Yeah, there it goes. Oh man. It
says it's strengthening the site's importance in Cleopatra's time and
tightening the search grid for her last chapter says this

(32:52):
isn't the tomb, but it's apparently a part of the
big puzzle. I always wonder why they don't just go
in there with you know, these three D scanning boats.

Speaker 11 (33:04):
Maybe they Yeah, that would be pretty useful at some
point they got to do that.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Yeah, that's it for the news. And then we have
the weird Fact of the week. Weird Fact of the week.

Speaker 6 (33:17):
It's now time for untold Radio Weird Fact of the week.

Speaker 12 (33:21):
That is kind of weird.

Speaker 11 (33:28):
Sorry for me to cut you off, Yeah you did
you do it on purpose? That's trying to keep the
show moving.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Man, I know, all right, So the weird fact of
the week is really weird. That's what I was going
to say. Don't you agree it's weird.

Speaker 11 (33:42):
Jeff, It's very weird, very weird.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
I can't even believe it's true, but it's weird. Throw
that out there, because boy, we need it. There you go.
So did you know that animals poop cube? Some animals, well,
apparently just the wombat poop is cube shaped. Unlike most animals,

(34:05):
wombats produce poop and little cubes, the only known species
to do so. Scientists discovered this happens because of a
varying elasticity in their intestines wi shapes. I think I
know some men that poop cubes would shapes. Apparently, these

(34:28):
these this elastic intestines shape these feces into perfect blocks.
Apparently they're perfect. They use these cubes to mark territories
and the shape keeps the piles from rolling away. Interesting.
Well who knew?

Speaker 11 (34:45):
And I'm glad we have a drawing of that, not
actual photos. We didn't really need to see a photo
of that.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
No, it's a drawing.

Speaker 11 (34:52):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
You see the kangaroo he's looking at that square poop
going what the hell?

Speaker 11 (34:58):
So wombats must eat square? Meals right? Three square?

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yeah? How long did it to think it for you
to think of that quip? It's apparently poop dice, But
I I just thought, Okay, so you guys can all
in the audience. You guys can win bets. You can
bet people. Take a snapshot of this with your phone

(35:22):
and then you can make bets with people at the bar.
Nety go out and say, you know, can you name
the animal that poops squares?

Speaker 11 (35:32):
Leave it to Australia.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
That's definitely an untold fact. What do we want to
do here? See? Do we have our guests yet? Well,
you might want a text him. I'm getting a little nervous.
That's fine. I get a little nervous. I always getting
I get nervous. These are live shows. Do you guys

(35:56):
have any idea all the things that can go wrong?
That's fine?

Speaker 11 (36:01):
A lot. Yeah, there's a lot that can go wrong.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
So let's do trivia. I want to do trivia on
alcohol and if anybody wants to play trivia, be the
trivia player, which you can now jump in there and
please if you if you've already done it kind of,
Let's get somebody new. But it's going to be on alcohol,

(36:27):
not necessarily the kind you drink.

Speaker 11 (36:29):
There's multiple kinds.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Yeah, so who wants to play trivia? And I might
send a non gift in the mail? Not a gift,
a gift, not a price, it's nothing. It's just would
be free. So Nick says, I'll play who wants to play? Nick?

Speaker 11 (36:53):
Let's see, let's get somebody new.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
So William William is going to William? Okay, Nick and
williams all right, Oh, I already messed up. Hold on here,
I need more room. Nick and William all right, here
we go. Which type of alcohol is the only kind

(37:19):
save for drinking? So we can do well, I'm gonna
play this two ways, a multiple choice or you guys
can just whoever comes up with the answer first. And
I'm gonna not do multiple choice right now. So the
first guy out of Nick or William that can name
which type of alcohol is the only guind save for drinking?

(37:44):
Eric's jumping in there. Where's the Yeah, where's our trivia music?
And for that, where's our trivia bumper? There we go,
keep a volume down, lolough, oh fervented all right, I'm

(38:06):
gonna give you guys multiple choice. Methanol, ethanol, isoprobl alcohol
or beautinyl? Which one? If your X rubbing? You're wrong
your X eric mouthwash, you're wrong eric? Ethyl? No, oh

(38:27):
my god. Come on, all right, I'm gonna calling that
a tie of William said ethyl or ethanol? Okay, ethanol?
I guess William got it right. All right, so William
went one. All right, next, can you turn that music
a little memoe? I like it? But there perfect? What

(38:53):
is isoproble alcohol mainly used for? Is it for cocktails? Disinfectant?
I fuel cars? Or sweetener? Come on, you guys gotta
be quack otherwise, well, thank you. You're cheating, and we'll
accuse you of cheating, won't we.

Speaker 11 (39:14):
Jeff, okay, I've heard back.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Oh you're looking at working on the pole thing.

Speaker 11 (39:22):
I am his laptop died.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
What does that mean? My laptop died?

Speaker 11 (39:30):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Tell me he's his phone.

Speaker 11 (39:33):
I'm texting you right now.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah, I just here's your phone. I told him that before.
All right, so we have Thanks for helping me in
the answer. Nick says fuel. So, oh my goodness, this

(39:57):
thing is just cooking.

Speaker 11 (39:59):
Well him, all right, sorry, well, Eric's not playing multitasking Eric.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
William, I think you got it again. I think unless
Nick can dispute that, all right, we gotta pay attention.
Jeff help all right? All right?

Speaker 11 (40:15):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Which help?

Speaker 11 (40:18):
William saying it was a tie? He probably was?

Speaker 4 (40:24):
It says what alcohol is biofuel additive? What alcohol is
a biofuel additive to gasoline? Is it beautin all ethanol?
Mehan all or glacerol? Said? William got it to do ethanol?

Speaker 12 (41:00):
So we got.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
I can't even keep up so many answers coming in,
can you Jeff, you're not even helping.

Speaker 11 (41:09):
Well, I'm trying trying to talk to our guest here.
You know what they but they both got it right.

Speaker 12 (41:17):
That?

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (41:18):
I think William came in first.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
William, Ye, all right, all right, I'm gonna get this
a little harder here. What is d natured alcohol? Is
that alcohol with sugar added? Is it ethanol with additives
to make it undrinkable? Is it fermented honey? Is it
alcohol that has gone bad? What is d natured alcohol?

(41:52):
What is our guests saying?

Speaker 11 (41:54):
I'm still telling he's trying to get it on his
phone here, So I work I'm kind of working on
that in the side here. All right, So back to
our question, what is dnatried alcohol? William said, alcohol gone bad?
Nick said b ethnomal additives to make it undrinkable. And

(42:15):
Nick is correct, that is exactly what te nature alcohol is?

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Correct? So who got that? Nick?

Speaker 11 (42:23):
Yep? Wait for Nick?

Speaker 4 (42:25):
All right, don't worry about Paul. He'll either figure it
out or he'll drown. He won't. Come on, I wouldn't
worry about it, Joe. He's got the link, right, you
just click the.

Speaker 11 (42:37):
Link earlier earlier.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Yep. So that's Paul power on. So what all right?
Now we're gonna talk about drinkable alcohols and production. What
is the main ingredient in whiskey? Is it grapes? Is
it grains? Is it potatoes? Or is it apples in whiskey?

(43:01):
What is the main ingredient used to make whiskey?

Speaker 11 (43:11):
Waiting? And I want them to come in. Looks like
William is the first in with the crane.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
All right, So now let's see tequila. That's gonna be
on tequila, which is my favorite drink patron putron silver'
I love drone silver which is clear, uh, tequila it's
not the I wan't drink mescal. It's too full of

(43:41):
Yeah what things that make you feel hung over in
the morning. So I'm not into that anyhow. Tequila must
come from one plant? Is it cactus, pear, blue agave,
corn or sure beet? Which one first one to get it?

(44:08):
It's hard to keep up, isn't it? With your eyes? Like, whoa,
We're gonna have to get assistance on this, Eric, can
you help us out?

Speaker 11 (44:19):
Nick said cactus? What does Williams say? Oh, he said
cact as well. They are both incorrect.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
Both incorrect. Yes, plant, yes, which is sort of it's
a succulent.

Speaker 11 (44:35):
It doesn't succulent, yes, but it's pretty cool plant. Actually,
it's unique.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yes, it's magical. That's what I tell people.

Speaker 11 (44:45):
I'm guy like I like wis bourbon.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
I'll turn the into one. I don't drink often. I
mean it's so rare. It's like maybe once a year
I'll have a shot at tequila or two. That's it done.
Or once in a while often we have a beer.

Speaker 11 (45:00):
One beer that's like like I do like.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
I mean, you haven't had a beard again, I mean
we've been together, it's done. I think we had one
beer together. What maybe it's not like a big deal.
That's the way to drink alcohol and great moderation. Uh.
Which is a type of fortified wine? Is it merlow

(45:25):
Port Logger or I p A. Which is the type
of fortified wine merlow Port lagger or I p A.
And Williams said he prefers gin.

Speaker 11 (45:40):
Like a little gin has the worm. Yes, all right,
William in with Port and he is correct it right?

Speaker 4 (45:48):
So who got it right? Well William, come on, come on, Nick,
you can do it. Jim gets it nature flavor from
what is it, corey corey, coriander, mint, juniper berries, or basil.

(46:12):
Jim gets its signature flavor from coriander, mint, juniper berries
or basil. Next as I'm getting kicked, put that up
there for you, Nick. There you go. I'm getting kicked. Sorry, Nick,
So you can you can.

Speaker 11 (46:32):
Read Ciliam William again is right. That is juniper berries.
There's actually a lot of stuff and yeah that's the
that's the signature, but there's other things there actually could
be basil and there kinds of stuff.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
But they were talking about the flavor flavor. It does
taste like that tastes like pine needles. I love gin.
That's it's good, but I pretty refreshing because when you
buy gin it's full of corn syrup all these additives.
I don't like it. Rum is distilled from what grapes

(47:05):
sugar king or molasses or wheat or rice? Grapes, sugar king, molasses,
wheat or rice? Which one rum.

Speaker 11 (47:24):
Eric wants to talk about? Absinthe? Oh, I got some
stories about absinth and I was in Check Republic.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Isn't that that licorice flavored stuff?

Speaker 11 (47:31):
No, it's not liquorice flavor. That's aniset would be liquorice flavored.
Oh yeah, Absinthe is pretty gnarly. It's like it's uh,
it tastes medicinal. It's really strong, and it's got some
weird stuff and it that gives you it makes you
pretty strange. I had way too much of it. My

(47:54):
brother and I had way too much of it one
night and Czech Republic and man, we were seeing peak elephants.
Is crazy? All right? Anyways, back to the question, all right,
William again with out of the is correct? With sugarcane
or my glasses? Either one? Where should go? Doug?

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Oh, I'm here, I'm okay.

Speaker 11 (48:24):
So we'll point for William on that one. Nick was right,
but uh, William beat him to it.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Read another one please?

Speaker 11 (48:38):
All right? So sake is a multi barley beer, B
fermented rice wine, d C distilled surgum liquor or d
agaby bassed spirit. What is sake?

Speaker 4 (48:58):
I even know that one?

Speaker 11 (49:02):
Again? Boy, William got some good internet. He's in right
away with Rice.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Do you have good internet? William? You got it? And
by the way, you know what we do if a
guest can't get on, if anybody in the audience would
like to come on, they can, We're wide open, right Jeff?

Speaker 11 (49:23):
As of right now, he's yeah, he's still struggling with
his Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
I didn't like what's happening. So let's go ahead and
open it up to anybody that wants to do an
open mic tonight.

Speaker 11 (49:35):
Yeah, wants to come in.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
Whoever put your email under us up and we will
send you.

Speaker 11 (49:49):
And dot com all right.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
So congratulations William. He did not win a contest, but
I'll probably send you something for free.

Speaker 11 (50:04):
Sure a contest, sure, probably, So send me or don't
send me your uh your contact information? I know I
have it, but keep keeping keep keep send me a
fresh one with your contact information, and we may or
may not send you something for no reason whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Yeah, so we want to get into a discussion on
whatever topic. Do we have any volunteers who wants to
join us? We'll sandwiches between this guy and the other guy.

Speaker 11 (50:39):
Let's see here, who wants to come in and talk. Well,
in the meantime, we can play some clips.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Yeah's all right?

Speaker 12 (50:47):
You ready?

Speaker 11 (50:48):
All right? I am almost ready. Let me go back
to that screen and we can do some clips.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
All right, all right, where are you? Clip one? The
sound is good? What happened to you? What in the world?

Speaker 11 (51:22):
I don't know. I don't know what's going on here?

Speaker 4 (51:25):
You're gone?

Speaker 11 (51:26):
There we go?

Speaker 4 (51:27):
There you go? Clip one? The sound is good. And
I would love to know whether you would be willing
to go work on this storm drain.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
That's a lot, bro, what about Yeah, that's an issue too, Lee.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
An issue. It's a little more than an issue.

Speaker 11 (51:52):
Those paid enough to do that.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Yeah, you fure unlocked? Nope? All right? Clip two? The
sound is good. This is basically a rant about the
state of TV today. And I think we've all had
this rant. I know we have. It's his viewpoint. It's
it's certainly not a perfect answer. This is the what

(52:16):
he thinks is state of television today is good and
play it.

Speaker 14 (52:20):
If you were to tell me in two thousand and
four that in twenty years the future of television would
require me having to google the shows and movies I
wanted to watch to see which one of the nine
million streaming services they are on, then having to figure
out if I even have the streaming service to begin with,
because I gotta be honest with you, I don't know
what I'm paying for.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
I don't know what I got.

Speaker 15 (52:37):
This way too many of them to then finally finding
the movie on a streaming service that you own, and
you get excited and you go to the movie, and
then Prime Video is like, well we're getting an additional.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Three ninety nine from you.

Speaker 15 (52:46):
Why I'm already paying you a monthly fee?

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Were you talking about? And they're like, well you got
you can.

Speaker 15 (52:51):
Rent it or buy it for seven grand I don't
want to buy it, And then like you could watch
it for free if you get the Pluff Pluff plus
Pluff package. It's just an additional twenty six dollars a month.
If you were to tell me that twenty years ago.
I would say, let's keep the blockbusters open and you
got the people like you know, would be better if
we took all the streaming services and combine them. Yeah, sir,
that's called cable. We were there, we were there.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
I love it.

Speaker 11 (53:14):
It's accurate.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
I think that came from his heart.

Speaker 11 (53:18):
What do you do? Yeah? Boy, I could feel his pain.
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
It's true though. You find a movie that you want
to watch and I always go to event, Well where
is it? So then you gotta start searching, you know,
all the obvious ones, and sometimes you find it and
then you find out you do, you got to pay extra.
It's like, I don't get it. Some people I know.

(53:42):
I have like ten different streaming services.

Speaker 11 (53:45):
Yeah, I do that. I'm done. I cut down. I'm
onund to two and I'm gonna go down to one
pretty quick. Oh okay, too much, I watched too much TV.
I gotta stop.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
You know what, you know? We should get on. We
should make him come on. It would be really cool,
is varex.

Speaker 11 (54:02):
Yeah, I'd love too.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
We're just pressure them a little bit.

Speaker 11 (54:07):
Yes, I mean, do I have his femail?

Speaker 4 (54:10):
We should all watch Avatar at your place someday. Okay,
that sounds good. Yeah, apparently Eric likes Avatar. All right.
Clip two is over. Clip three, Okay, the sound is good.
We've all heard of fictitious pink elephants. Go ahead and
play this.

Speaker 16 (54:30):
This is the world's largest pink buffalo. It's pink, but
it's not found in Russia. It can only be seen
in Thailand. Because of their light pink color and large size,
they are considered very special there and since pink buffaloes
are extremely rare, their price can reach around one hundred
and twenty thousand dollars. Additionally, this buffalo produces approximately twenty
five to thirty liters of milk per day.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Wow, so I did a little research on pink buffalo.
Is they're really white. It's their skin that's pink, not
their not their hair. So the hair is white. It's
just you know, it's kind of thin, thin, and their
very bright pink skin or they're pinkish skin shows through.

(55:13):
So they call them pink buffalos. So there you go.
It's a big dude, man, Yeah, it's a big animal. Next.
Clip four. The sound is fine. I think there's a
little tinkly music in the back. That's fine.

Speaker 17 (55:28):
In nineteen seventy seven, Chief A. J. Huffer, a former
combat photographer, was hired to look for giant birds called
thunderbirds in Illinois. In July, he spotted large birds and
recorded this video. The footage became extremely popular and was
even featured in an episode of Monster Quest.

Speaker 11 (55:50):
There you go, yep, pretty cool footage.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Yeah, I remember doing that show.

Speaker 11 (55:56):
Yeah, I can imagine. That's a pretty It.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Was interesting because the guy that ran the Raptor Center,
who I knew quite well because I had kind of
done other stories with him over at the local Raptor
Center here, he looked at it and he went, whoa,
that thing is massive. He did not know what it was.

(56:19):
And that was taken long before AI. It was way
back one in the fifties or something. I think it
was shot in Minnesota too, I can't remember. I think
it was all right. Sound is good and speaking of
you know, big buffalo type creatures, look at this thing

(56:41):
and I do not know what it is good and
play it and sound is good. He doesn't sound happy.
It's gotta be some kind of Asian muskox Arctic area. Yeah,

(57:03):
there's so many. There are just so many animals. There's
no way to know them all. Yeah, I have no
idea what this is. I'm just gonna call it an
Asian muskox.

Speaker 11 (57:13):
Yeah. I mean I'm pretty well versed with uh well,
I know a lot of animals, and I'm still sticky
stuff that I've never heard of before.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
It's crazy, all right, So okay, now let's see this
one here. The sound is bad, but maybe you can
go ahead and play it. Let's just talk through it.
But it's about the common swift. Apparently these things will
live in the sky for ten months without ever touching

(57:41):
the ground, which is insane. I mean, they sleep in
the air. They shot half their brain down and they glide.
They skim the water for their moisture, and if they
land on a flat surface, they are not capable of
taking off. Oh wow, and they made the air, so

(58:02):
they they'll go ten months. And apparently they like banded
them or collared them with little transmitters. So when they
go to sleep, what they do is they go really
high altitude, they shut half their brain off and they
just kind of glide down. Wow, while they're sleeping. Isn't
that crazy?

Speaker 11 (58:21):
That is that's really cool.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
Yeah, and they're related to I believe the swallow. There's swallows, correct.
I need my my.

Speaker 11 (58:36):
Cough button, your cough button for coffee.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
I get to use it. Oh my god. I was
over at the radio studio. I gotta say where, but
it was a radio studio studio downtown, right, and I
had an interview over there. But they have the old
nineteen seventies cough button. Yeah, the old You were with me,
weren't you.

Speaker 11 (58:55):
Yeah, I was. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Oh my god, I can't forgot. Sorry, that was fun.
That is not Jameson's seventies.

Speaker 11 (59:02):
No, And that's kind of the hallmark of TV and
radio studios is they all have ancient technology because they
don't want to spend one cent until they absolutely have to.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Yeah, it's like everything's digital now.

Speaker 11 (59:12):
When I worked at a place in the nineties, I
worked at a TV station that still had equipment from
the forties, but they were using every single day. It's
pretty amazing, it is.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Yeah, they're usually the last ever caught up. I know that.
Like when I worked over at TV station, I had
already been shooting on like two or three formats ahead
of the news station that I was working at.

Speaker 11 (59:37):
Oh, we've got somebody lined up here. David Rossy volunteered
to come.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Oh you do, okay, Uh, but you know, let's finish
your clips.

Speaker 11 (59:47):
Sure, and then I just want to send him. I
just want to send him. Oh yeah, yeah, he want
second he Jeff.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
Needs an assistant. If anybody wants to become job assistant.

Speaker 11 (59:58):
All right, let's see here, that would be awesome. I'm
sending him the lake. There he is, I send it
to all right, back to back to back to business.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
All right, so we'll go back to clips. But I'm
gonna just send a message to Paul. If your laptop
doesn't work, what you do is reboot it. That's usually
a big help. And then why don't you just use
your phone unless you're on a flip phone.

Speaker 11 (01:00:29):
Yeah, a flip phone. I told him his phone, But
just use your phone, Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Yeah, we we we tried, We tried. I always tell people,
though I'm not gonna get you back, you get one chance.
Let's see her where we at?

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (01:00:52):
Clip seven was next?

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Clips seven? Yeah, the sound is bad on this one,
but this is a We're gonna play it. It's a
wheeled robot with a very big counterweight which allows it
to do backflips, forward flips, do wheel hoops. This is
kind of scary. These robots that they're developing.

Speaker 11 (01:01:17):
Incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Yeahing, all this stuff is all possible now with all
these microprocessors. What's gonna I mean, we're gonna you know,
these things are gonna be running around with loaded guns
on it.

Speaker 11 (01:01:31):
Oh, for sure, I'm sure they are somewhere already somewhere
in the globe there are.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
For sure, you're not gonna get away from that. That's
just gonna backflip over a barber and fence. That's gonna
be on you. So times are a change in Jeff.
All Right, the next one. The sound is good and
it'll make you feel relaxed. This is a very ugly

(01:01:57):
or beautiful depending on your perspective, but very amazing creature.
When you watch this. A good plant. This it belongs
on another planet. This is what your sperm would look like, Jeff,
if we get large in a thousand times. There it is.
This is Jeff sperm. I'm joking.

Speaker 11 (01:02:18):
Yeah, Okay, they're aggressive.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Look at that thing. Play that thing again. There you go.
Apparently that's a that's like a tample of shape. Right,
These are that shape sperm.

Speaker 11 (01:02:35):
It's just clear this strange looking face and looks its mouth.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
A lot of prehistoric creatures that have not evolved much.

Speaker 11 (01:02:46):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Okay, clip nine. The sound is good, this is real.
Turn your volume up at home because this is really otherworldly.
It is a bobcat. I'm almost positive. Go ahead and
play this. It's a it goes.

Speaker 11 (01:03:26):
I agree with you. I think that's a bobcat.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
But it's otherworldly sounding.

Speaker 11 (01:03:30):
Yeah, that's that is a strange sounding anim.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
But if you were a kid on your bike like
this guy kid was, and you heard that, I'd be
out of there.

Speaker 11 (01:03:40):
I heard, I heard when I was a kid. I
grew up pretty rural and hearing bobcat in the woods
and hearing rabbits in the woods. If you ever heard
a rabbit scream, rabbit, a rabbit sounds almost exactly like
a baby human in the woods. It's disturbing. My dad
had to like calm me down in it to me
that it wasn't a baby crying in the woods, that

(01:04:02):
they sound like it's wild anyways.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
And then uh, Tennessee said, it's an enlarged sperm, and
then he goes, I can't spell sperm.

Speaker 11 (01:04:12):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
You don't need to everybody knows it was just a typo.
You know, everybody knows you're not, but it's just funny.
I don't And Williams says, bobcats eat the ducks in
what in the canals here? The ducks and the canals here? Okay,

(01:04:34):
that must have that want was to be a sight. Anyhow,
let's do a couple more clips and in the back room.

Speaker 11 (01:04:45):
There we go.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
This is ver Rex. Can you pretend to be Paul?

Speaker 11 (01:04:51):
This is clip A clip is his clip? Ten? Sound
is good?

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Oh? This is so eerie. Okay, just hang on. This
is so eerie. This is somewhere in Georgia and the
steel in the ex Soviet Union, that which is like
the northern regions almost it's almost arctic, right.

Speaker 11 (01:05:13):
Georgia is on the on the it's in the Baltics,
isn't It isn't.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
Yeah, but it's a I mean, part of Georgia is
quite north. And anyhow, this is a Siberian tiger roaring
in the background. But you got to hear this amazing
Go ahead, play it. How would you like to be

(01:05:40):
there and hear that? Gosh, this guy is like he
just I love it. No words, He's just smiling.

Speaker 11 (01:05:52):
That's crazy beautiful place.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
But what a beautiful place?

Speaker 12 (01:05:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
All right, last one, last one is a bonus clip.
This is just a very very eerie supercell near Shelton, Nebraska.
And this is definitely nature at its biggest wow moment.

Speaker 11 (01:06:17):
Thanks.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
Okay, I think it's seven miles wide?

Speaker 12 (01:06:31):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
You read the Friends on their.

Speaker 11 (01:06:33):
Job seven miles w seventy plus million number of meds be.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Marg wun't you pose it and read it that good area? Yeah,
it's crazy, Yeah, Eric says, very very nicely. Holy chit.
Thank you Eric for that comment. All right, So what

(01:07:00):
we could do tonight if Paul gives if he's in
the back, if he's in the chat, he can give
us permission and we can show his evidence and he
can even narrate it in chat. Yeah, he says, Doug
and Jeff, I'm here in chat. Yeah we know. Why
don't you click the link and come in? Are you
sure he has the right link? He doesn't?

Speaker 11 (01:07:22):
Just get it? Yeah we did, we did at earlier
to say it's the same link as earlier. Uh, Paul,
you can also come in just with your with your phone.
You just use audio, Just use the audio. That's don't
need to you can.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
You can click the link. Just click the link and
then you don't even need to put your name in there.
Just click it and hit entered studio and you don't
need to.

Speaker 11 (01:07:44):
Turn I'll text you the link. Oh god, I emailed
it before, but I can text it to you and
then just turn your camera off so you come in
just with audio.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Yeah, it'd be great.

Speaker 11 (01:07:57):
Just give me a second here.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
And then we'll bring mm hmmm, I'm multitasking. Well.

Speaker 11 (01:08:07):
Let very accent yep, welcome verr Ax. He's there, he's gone.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
I see it. I see his empty chair there he is,
all right.

Speaker 11 (01:08:21):
Welcome mister vera Axe.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
Very axe. Good timing.

Speaker 11 (01:08:29):
I can't hear you.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
I don't think you can hear us either.

Speaker 11 (01:08:33):
See you can't hear you. Is your microphone on?

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
I can't hear you.

Speaker 12 (01:08:40):
Let's see there we go.

Speaker 11 (01:08:42):
There we go.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
Hey, we hear you.

Speaker 12 (01:08:45):
Good timing for you fellas.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Maybe see Yeah, chairs empty?

Speaker 12 (01:08:51):
It's great. Yeah, sorry about that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
We're having quite a show tonight.

Speaker 12 (01:08:55):
Oh well, I was trying to find the mute button
in stream stream arts so I could because the last
time I was on it, or the only time I've
been on stream Yard was on your show, and I
was in the back studio watching there, and I missed
the whole chat. So I was trying to mute stream
Yard so I could actually entertain some questions if there
was any or anything in chat.

Speaker 11 (01:09:15):
But I know there's good question. If there's good questions,
I could read them and pull them up on screen too.

Speaker 12 (01:09:19):
I don't. I don't have a light in my office.
My office is actually being redone right now, so well
that's something.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
People have computers in their office and the computer screen.
You don't need lights. A lot of people don't have
lights in their office.

Speaker 12 (01:09:36):
Well, and I have, you know, three screens, so that's
usually what I use. But like I said, I am.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
We'll turn your brightness up on your screens.

Speaker 12 (01:09:43):
I don't like yep, I'm trying to get her going here.
I found a little makeshift light here, and I have
a lamp in the background here. That should do.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
By the way, if anybody wants to buy this podcast from.

Speaker 12 (01:09:54):
Me, you oh, right, when I was about to volunteer to.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
What do you think, Yeah, we'll touch you the keys
to everything.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Oh my goodness, I.

Speaker 12 (01:10:11):
Was uh, I was just about to apply for that
job to be jeff sidekick, and now you're selling the
show and I got a new boss. Yeah, Jeff on
the street.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
Or well you you could buy it from us and
own it. I'll work for you.

Speaker 12 (01:10:26):
That's pretty funny.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Oh my god, I just saw mister Guffey come in.

Speaker 11 (01:10:31):
Yep, he's here. He's here.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
We can see you, you can see okay, but yeah,
let me tell me. Don't what to do here, Paul.
You can't have your you can't hold your phone while
you're doing it. You're gonna be shaking, making us all seasick.
Prop it up against something. No, it's got to be
the long way, not that way, horizontal, and it's got

(01:10:55):
to be just put it up on some books. So
we'll give you a little time to do that and
make sure it's plugged in. And it's the wrong way, Paul,
flip it the other way. Oh boy. The prices is
plummeting for the podcast. It just keeps going lower and lower,

(01:11:17):
probably like seventy five cents now the value.

Speaker 11 (01:11:20):
I'll give you twenty bucks if I can just go
home right now. Yeah, yes, I got beer in the fridge. Yeah,
to be twenty bucks and I'll just go check out.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
Yeah, Paul. We can't hear you because you're backstage, so
I know you can hear us. Just turn your phone
the other way, dude, you're upside down there, and now
just prop it somewhere so you're not holding it because
you'll make us seasick by holding it. You got to
lean it against something and not touch it. There you go.

Speaker 17 (01:11:54):
Good.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
So you had this all worked out right? Job?

Speaker 11 (01:11:57):
Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, that's what's happened. Everything's perfect, it is,
that's why we came.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
It's really just completely messed up.

Speaker 11 (01:12:07):
That's all right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
I would say, just quit doing mike and camera checks.
I didn't do anything.

Speaker 12 (01:12:14):
Just every time I'm on call for you, Doug. I
know I owe you an email back and and I
meant to send that to you. But it's just been
a crazy, crazy month. I had my brother here from
Vietnam for two weeks, just got him on a plane yesterday,
and my wife's leaving for Ottawa tom and she's gone.
And then Monday, almost a year to the day, we're

(01:12:38):
going back to the cabin for another three week stint.
So my wife said to me, I said, I'm going
back on honey. She's like, oh my god, get a
light in there, and I said okay, and she said,
wouldn't it have been great if it was next week?
You could have did it from the cottage and did
a live from your phone and showed him the you
know everything and laid it out.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
Yeah, we'll keep your Erick's on. Yeah, okay. So there's
a bid that just came in on the podcast, so
I gotta pay him five bucks, but I'll pay you
more than that to take it. David, I like this one. Yeah,
can you put a slight up? Due to ongoing technical

(01:13:19):
ongoing technical issues, we are now auctioning off our podcast
to the better Come with thread says comes with three
completed files, two dropped calls, and one mysterious echo that
won't leave. I love it.

Speaker 11 (01:13:35):
Of the joys of live broadcasts.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Andyhow it looks like Paul's ready, Let's let's bring them on.
You are now a co host? Yeah, you're just you're
literally above me and Jeff. You're promoted above me and Jeff.

Speaker 11 (01:13:53):
Go ahead, all right, welcome Paul.

Speaker 12 (01:13:56):
Hello, there we go.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
You got you got your phone the wrong way, Turn
it the other way.

Speaker 9 (01:14:03):
That's that's the way I had it before, and you
told me to turn it back this way.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
You gotta be you gotta move it the other way, Paul,
flip it, just go sideways. See what happens?

Speaker 9 (01:14:17):
Are you sure?

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:14:18):
Positive?

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
To put it back. It doesn't matter because the podcast
is up. He must not have that self balancing thing
turned on.

Speaker 11 (01:14:27):
Yeah, I don put it back, Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
Sorry, you're right. I'm wrong again. Price just went down.
Now I gotta pay somebody thirty bucks to take the podcast. Anyhow,
welcome old friend. How are you?

Speaker 11 (01:14:43):
Oh no, you're muted, Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
Now you're muted. Paul, your your microphone button at the
bottom of side there.

Speaker 9 (01:14:50):
We're good.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
Okay, all right, so this is god it. This is
going down as a new record. Nice.

Speaker 11 (01:15:00):
That's so good.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
All right. So Paul Gave resides. He resides near man Cato,
and he's been You've been doing Bigfoot research for many years,
probably since what two thousand and four?

Speaker 12 (01:15:13):
Five?

Speaker 9 (01:15:14):
I started in ninety nine, nineteen night, Wow, yep, okay,
twenty five years.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
When did I meet you? What year?

Speaker 9 (01:15:23):
Nineteen ninety nine?

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
Oh? Okay, I believe that were you with the BFRO
or any organization? No, okay, how the hell did I
meet you? Then?

Speaker 14 (01:15:35):
You?

Speaker 9 (01:15:35):
I found you I heard you on a radio show
on w CCO. Oh okay, I I researched you out,
and I think you were impressed with my research that
I did. And then you and I went on a
couple a couple of research things in the woods up north,
and then yeah, you suggested that I do this on

(01:15:56):
my own. Go solo.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
I'll be down there we go. The memories are coming back, David.
David Rare acts, Do you have any questions for our guest,
because because I can't think of any because I'm just
taking goods on the podcast right now.

Speaker 12 (01:16:18):
Yeah, I mean, I I'd like to know how Paul
got into there you go is it's it's Sasquatch. I
guess that we're talking about. You're in southern Minnesota, so, yes,
from Fort Francis or if you know where that is,
or across International Falls is across the border Minnesota. Okay,
Fort Francis is where my family is, but I have

(01:16:39):
half my family in the International Falls Lake of the Woods.
I was born six hours south of Snow Grove, which
you know, Doug obviously is very familiar with so but
being from southern Minnesota, I'm more familiar with northern and
anywhere up there. There's sasquatch everywhere up there. But like

(01:17:00):
Doug didluded to earlier, you don't hear a lot of
reports coming out of southern Minnesota. So I'd like to
hear how you got into that.

Speaker 9 (01:17:07):
It from helping Dug and his crew on a couple
of projects years ago, and watch kind of watching what
other people do and listening to watching shows or listening
to interviews and people. I just started doing it myself
in southern Minnesota. We're down here. It's mostly corn country,

(01:17:32):
and we've got a lot of rivers, many many rivers
and streams and swamps and ponds and stuff. And wherever
that stuff at, you know, is that that's where Bigfoot is.
And I've been pretty successful sometimes going out having some
activity finding tree breaks, finding trees that are branches that

(01:17:55):
are the diameter of a basketball eight feet long and
they've been paled and the ground. It's pretty impressive to
see that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
He has found more street tree structures. I can't even
talk tonight. Paul. You have probably photograph more tree structures
than anybody I know. I think there's one lady up
in Canada that's photographed a lot of them. Put out
a calendar. But Paul I even think you beat her.
So can we just really quick just throw up a

(01:18:28):
good one? Jeff, sure, whatever you want, Yeah, Jeff, good
and throw up.

Speaker 11 (01:18:33):
I'm look sent me.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Well, you can just shuffle through them and I'll tell
you when that's a good one. Yeah, just do that.
There you go, that's a good one.

Speaker 11 (01:18:43):
Yea.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
These things are crazy complex. They're made up of many,
many sticks. They're in the middle of nowhere and people go, oh, people,
it's boy scouts doing it. It could be. We don't
have any proof, but I can't imagine a boy scout
breaking the diameter these sticks. You know, we're finding enough sticks.

Speaker 11 (01:19:08):
And they're generally out in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 12 (01:19:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
You can see the kind of typical landscape. Some of
it's you know, hilly sloped, and a lot of it's
swampy and flooded. Now, why would a boy scout build
a stick structure where it's flooded, right, you know, where
there's water.

Speaker 9 (01:19:29):
I've actually talked to boys, you know, boy scout masters
stuff like that. I have a good friend who happens
to be one, and he said, no, they don't do
anything like that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
Yeah, it's it's just yeah, keep just going and flip
through them.

Speaker 11 (01:19:49):
Yep, I'm trying to pick out the best ones here.
There's a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
No, just flip through them. Jeff, we don't care. Okay,
all right, there's so many of them. I mean, you're
not You're not going to show the same one twice?
How many? How many think you photograph.

Speaker 9 (01:20:03):
All total over the years?

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Probably? What too?

Speaker 9 (01:20:09):
Seven thousand, seven thousand? How many I've got seven thousand photos?

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Oh jeez, yep, so that's a lot. So Jeff, you
don't have to be big. Okay, look at this one.
That one looks like a little more shelter like. But
I think a lot of them are I think because
I find them near deer trails. I think a lot

(01:20:35):
of them are are hunting blinds.

Speaker 12 (01:20:38):
It was.

Speaker 9 (01:20:40):
The inside diameter of this one was only four feet.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Wow, so it's not very big.

Speaker 11 (01:20:49):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Or do you think it's a nursery spot?

Speaker 12 (01:20:53):
I've heard a great theory. Last night.

Speaker 9 (01:20:56):
I could have been.

Speaker 12 (01:20:58):
A virex just trying to find it. Actually, it was
on there's a Native American fellow I forget his name,
Suon as his last name was on a podcast last night,
and he was talking about Native history as cultures from
the west coast Vancouver, not Vancouver Island, but on the

(01:21:20):
coast between Vancouver Island and BC Canada. Anyway, he was
saying that they are for the Sasquatch women when they
have their time of month, that that's what they used
to go there because the male Sasquatch, this is his theory,

(01:21:41):
or in their traditional history, that's what they were taught.
The male Sasquatch won't go anywhere near the female Sasquatch
when it's their time of the month. The blood, the smell,
the bad juju, whatever you want to call it, he said,
because they feel that it will uh inhibit their hunting.

(01:22:03):
You know that if any of that pheromones or whatever
at that time get on them, that that they won't
go anywhere near the females. In fact, that they a
lot of the time will take the young and youngsters,
the babies and stuff and go and sit in these things.
But there's there's a lot of theories about these structures.
I've also heard from another well known researcher out in

(01:22:24):
BC that says that, you know, he's a little bit
more into the WU side, but he says, it's they
use them to teach their the young sasquatch to go
try and transport dimensions whatever that's called trans dimensional or whatever.

(01:22:44):
They use them as to their teaching.

Speaker 9 (01:22:47):
So that's a crazy yeah, he was, you know, and
I mean.

Speaker 12 (01:22:52):
There's a lot of theories like that, but they he
swears that he you know, and I mean, like I said,
he's he's a bit out there, and but he's been
on and interviewed everyone. He's had a podcast where Avery's
good friend Tom Cantrell, and he said that that's what
they use him for.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
That's interesting. So go back, Jeff to the one you
had before that one. All right, this is so interesting
because I look at this and I'm thinking, I mean,
there's no way that's a shelter or is it or
is it just I mean, it would make a decent blinds.

Speaker 11 (01:23:27):
That's what I was gonna say too. None of these
really look like they're shelter, so they must have some
other purpose. I mean, the monthly cycle theory, that's a
that's a pretty reasonable theory.

Speaker 12 (01:23:40):
He also added to that and said that it's a
place for them to put, you know, the one two
two year old Sasquatch. If they're preoccupied, they can put
them in there with something to play with or whatever.
Well they're close by, but they don't have to have
them attached to them all the time twenty four seven
him and that just kind of that they teach them

(01:24:04):
to stay in there. Well, you're not near mom and dad,
that's a safe zone. And then you know. But he
also said that if you're near one of those as
a researcher or someone that's out in the bush and
come across them, you know, granted it's built by them
for whatever purpose. They're close or they were you know,
you're on they're watching you. If you can see that structure,

(01:24:28):
they're watching you. The gentleman Thomas Swett is his name.
And I'll tell you, boy, Doug, you gotta, you know,
maybe have a conversation with him. But he.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
Have you Thomas, Oh yeah, we've got him as a guest.

Speaker 12 (01:24:43):
Okay, okay. So as he said that if you're a
researcher or anything, don't go near him. He was he
actually broke out laughing in tears last night on this podcast.
But he said people come across these structures. They're out
there researching and everything else. And the first thing they
do is go to check out. You know, they take
a couple of pictures, but then they want to look inside.
They want to see the size of it. But you

(01:25:03):
can stand up in it. And then they get inside it.
And he said, the sasquatch watching must be rolling over
in their graves watching, laughing, saying, look at this guy.
If you only knew that, that's for our females to
keep it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
Keep it there, Jeff, keep it there. Well, I don't
you know. I'm not endorsing that theory, but it's it's
good to hear one.

Speaker 12 (01:25:23):
No, he said, if you if you do put inside one,
one thing is guaranteed you're not going to see a sasquatch. Yeah,
I'm near you because.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
I love I love this. Mike Brian says it's a
monkey play pen. He could be right too. Literally, Thank
you Charles so much, and thank you you uh you see,
but five memberships and she's done a few times now.
It's beyond generous, beyond generous, Thank you so much. Anyhow,

(01:25:55):
back to this look out. Look at these sticks. They're
all broken. I mean, you never find any cutwood? Do
you pull?

Speaker 12 (01:26:05):
No? Do you find that the bark is like has
been removed from a lot of the sticks, not just
wear and tear from weather.

Speaker 9 (01:26:13):
But no, sometimes if I'll find a fresh bark that's
been removed, especially in the springtime.

Speaker 12 (01:26:22):
Because I mean that could you know, it's not really
much of a shelter if the wind and rain can
blow through it. I mean it would be a break
for a hunting wine or something like that as well, right,
but it's not really something that's going to get you
out of Minnesota winter.

Speaker 9 (01:26:39):
True.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Yeah, eric's's sasquatch toilets. He could be right too. We
don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:26:46):
I like the playpin theory. That's a that's a pretty
reasonable theory. It makes sense.

Speaker 12 (01:26:51):
Yeah, I mean you got a one year old or
two year old and put it in that one right there.

Speaker 11 (01:26:56):
I mean there's going that's a really really solid theory.
It kind of fit. It fits the evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Have you ever found anything in these like any human garbage?

Speaker 11 (01:27:11):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
There, you can just see how clean it is in there,
because humans are very pea If a human built, does
I guarantee to be candy wrappers laying around blah blah
blah blah garbage? Can your cans? Now?

Speaker 12 (01:27:26):
My question is how far into the bush as well?
Are you like? Are you you know? I mean when
we were growing up, me and my two brothers, we
were in the woods all the time, building little tree
ports and structures and everything that we could. We dug
out banks and caves and stuff. Just you know, but
if these are in such a remote place, it's not
like kids are gonna be going that far from home

(01:27:48):
and then just start throwing together these elaborate and weaving.

Speaker 11 (01:27:51):
You know, right.

Speaker 12 (01:27:54):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:27:56):
It depends depends what day it is. You know, sometimes
all all hike six hours and then that's six hours.
Who knows how much territory I'll cover, because I'll sometimes
I'll do it circular and zig zag itt and just
kind of figure out what's what's where and everyone in

(01:28:19):
a while you find a structure, you find a log
that's been broke, or big branch that's been broke, and
you just look at it and go, Okay, that's a
very live tree right there, you know, the diameter of
a softball, let's say, And it's broke perfectly busted and twisted,
and the dead trees nearby it are standing perfect. So

(01:28:41):
it's unlikely the wind did it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
No, I mean it's clear that these are just I mean,
look how complicated that is. That's didn't happen by accident.

Speaker 11 (01:28:51):
If it was kids doing it, at some point, we'd
hear about it. They tell their parents, and the parents say, oh, yeah,
my kid did it. All the time, I've never heard
a single story about kids doing that. And I was
in boy Scouts, I was out in the woods. I
don't remember no one ever did stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
What I do know is I've watched the DNR tear
these down and they get quite angry, and they're back
up the next morning.

Speaker 12 (01:29:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
Yeah, during the night, in the middle of the night,
they're back up and they tear it down today, back
up again. I've seen that actually happen kind of real time.
They're having this problem in New Mexico and some of
the National Forests. They're just at pos them off really
bad because they want to. They clean them up, and
they're right back, you know, the next day.

Speaker 12 (01:29:36):
It's just like, there's no kids aren't doing that. The
size of some of those logs, no, you'd have to
have a little army of kids, and the different sizes
and everything else. The other thing is is when we
were doing it as kids and stuff. We weren't doing
stuff like this elaborate. We're weaving and balancing and then
you know it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
Well, there's a lot of full there's a lot of
folk rum architecture, and they.

Speaker 12 (01:30:01):
And they are not cut right marks and.

Speaker 9 (01:30:07):
Now they're broke, they're broken or they're just picked up
off the ground and put in put in a structure.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
This is so impressive, Paul. Yeah, it's quite a body
of work. And so when when he says he has
seven thousand, I believe him because this guy he works.
I mean, he goes all winter, he goes all summer.
He just what dicks don't bother him. He don't give
a damn about anything. You just, Paul, you you amaze me.

Speaker 9 (01:30:35):
You really, thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:30:36):
It's really impressive.

Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
You really should get an award, but not for podcasting
yet at the end of the show, you might get
an award for podcasting.

Speaker 12 (01:30:45):
I will see.

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
You know, my research is amazing.

Speaker 12 (01:30:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 18 (01:30:50):
I learned.

Speaker 9 (01:30:51):
You know, you influenced me with your with your photography
and your ideas and.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
It uh.

Speaker 9 (01:31:00):
I used the one right there. Okay, this wasn't is it?

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
Newsweek magazine news? Yeah? Yeah, so Newsweek did a article
on bigfoot, devoted the entire issue to bigfoot. I got
interviewed for it. They asked me, I don't know how
many questions, but one of them was how I thought
a bigfoot would die or how we would solve the mystery?
And all I said, and there was tesla meaning an

(01:31:26):
electric car would come around a corner and kill one
accidentally because of the silent nature of electric cars. But
I used Paul's one of Paul's tree structures for the
the you know, I sent it into them and they
published it. So congratulations. Not many guys have had their
stick structures published in Newsweek magazine.

Speaker 9 (01:31:49):
Paul, Yeah, thank you. I was very proud of that. Yeah,
I can imagine, very proudable.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
And that was a newsstand item. I bought that issue,
my issue on newsstand, so it was on the news
stands all over America. That was pretty cool, very cool.
And go back, go back to the other page of
the structure.

Speaker 12 (01:32:10):
Speaking of you and your pictures you're documenting them, have
a couple of questions. Do you find any patterns or
differences season the season like summer or winter or they
you know, is there any difference? And and do you
go back to the same structures and notice anything different
has been moved or changed or there.

Speaker 9 (01:32:31):
I'll go back some of the structures I've had for years,
and they're pretty much the same. Once in a while,
i'll go back to the structure. I'll be walking up
to it just thatd that recently I was out and
there were some there were some fresh sticks that were
broken and put on and put on top of it,
and so it looked like the the sad squats were

(01:32:53):
hanging out there and taking care of it, because I
found some other subtle signs. But yeah, that's a good question.
Some of the places I've tried to over the years,
I've tried to build a structure or have built a
structure to show Bigfoot on there to help or something,
or I'm a friend, you know, they can trust me,

(01:33:15):
and it'll be a while, might be a couple of months.
I'll come back and there's only one stick that's been
added to it. But some of the structures that I found,
they're they're they're pretty much the same.

Speaker 12 (01:33:27):
Okay, Yeah, do you when you're out there, are you
constantly talking or no? Do you talk to them? Do
you feel like when you're doing your walks and stuff.
They sometimes I do you get the feeling you're being watched?

Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:33:40):
Absolutely, okay, absolutely, And there's been some times where it's
just like you know, and you know the feeling too,
it's like, Okay, I'm leaving, you know, it's almost like
they're just nudging me, telling me you shouldn't be here today.
Affect that and I leave.

Speaker 12 (01:34:02):
Yeah, trust your gut. Yep. Another very common thing that well,
I'm relatively new to this field and I didn't ask
to be brought into it, to be honest, But since
being brought into it, I've been I've been doing a
lot of research and and from some of the best
and looking at pressure thinking and ideas and you know,

(01:34:24):
structures and stuff. As I mentioned, you know, the theories
that I've come across. Have you ever come across the
structure that's being built, Like noticed a start of a
structure and then come back a week or a month
later and it's actually been added to.

Speaker 9 (01:34:40):
I've noticed a few of them, like a lot. Yeah,
there might be a log or two, or the grass,
the leaves around it when it's dry, they'll have It's
not turkeys or deer doing it. It looks like they've
made a bed there the Sasquatch, and they might be

(01:35:01):
taking their time doing something, and I try not to
touch the wood. And some structures I've gone into, I've
actually slept in structors at night.

Speaker 12 (01:35:11):
Oh wow.

Speaker 9 (01:35:12):
Yeah, and had visitors, which was cool. And but some
of them are learned the process of being made and
then maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
They're Jeff, just a second, leave that one up, Jeff,
I just want to take a little break. These are
really good questions, verics like I'm really good, oh good.

Speaker 11 (01:35:35):
Perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
One of the things I do want to mention is
very often Paul does send me photos. We don't have
them tonight, but he sends them with a tape measure
or a stick, because you know, I was curious too
on the height of many of them, and you started
doing that. I don't remember when, but you remember when
you used to measure them. I would imagine you're still

(01:35:59):
doing me that.

Speaker 9 (01:36:01):
Yes, I do, and if I don't, I usually have
my tape measure with me all the time, or my
laser measurement, and if for some reason I don't have
it with me, I'll just I'll just find a stick
that's my height six feet two, and then I'll just
use that for measuring, or I'll just paste it off

(01:36:21):
with my feet.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
Yeah. You know. One of the things I was going
to mention about stick structures, and I'm going to just
kind of bug out again here and just listen. And
that is so often they're found within no more than
five hundred yards from water, like never, right, and most
of them are fifty yards from water. Do you find

(01:36:43):
that troop ball?

Speaker 9 (01:36:45):
Yes, this this lean this lean two structure you're looking
at here is about thirty yards from the.

Speaker 12 (01:36:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
I can see the river right in the background.

Speaker 11 (01:36:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
Often you also find them near deer trills.

Speaker 9 (01:36:58):
Yes, there's a deer thriller, and next to this one
there's two deer trails.

Speaker 11 (01:37:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
And then often I find once in a while, if
I do find any litter, it's always blue. I'll find
a blue balloon in one, I'll find a blue water
label in one. It just always blue. And I just
kept seeing that pattern over and over.

Speaker 12 (01:37:23):
That is a pattern, and that's reccurring. It's so weakd
Like I have had blue rocks. I told you these.

Speaker 4 (01:37:28):
Oh yeah, that's right, you've experienced the same thing.

Speaker 12 (01:37:31):
Yeah, right, it's always blue.

Speaker 4 (01:37:33):
Yeah, it's so weird. I don't know it's something they
like or if it's something they can see really good
and it you know what, they're either u V or
ir vision. So anyhow, but I'm gonna I'm just gonna listen. No,
I'm gonna let let you very over all. Right, it's

(01:37:53):
apparently you bought the podcast. I gotta pay at twenty bucks.

Speaker 12 (01:37:58):
But my finance here is who are raise the money? Yeah,
William Robinson and Flat Rock or a soup. We could
have a reunion show.

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
Yeah. But anyhow, look at the look at all these sticks.
It's just so cool. There's like a look to the
ones that they built.

Speaker 12 (01:38:17):
It's just like looking at each one and He's like,
you know, if the theory of putting the kidlets in there,
If the water is right there and mom wants to
go get a drink of water or catch a fish
or open a clan, what a great place to stuff
the kid to play with. You know something. I like
that theory a lot, just for still keep an eye
on it, right. You don't want to get caught between

(01:38:42):
a mom and it's kid. That's the thing I was
going to say. When you're researching these structures and stuff,
and that's where the trust your gut thing comes from,
or if you hear the hawks, have you have you
had even like a Class A seen a big foot yourself,
laid eyes on it, or a Class B where you've
smelt them, heard them bluff charge anything.

Speaker 9 (01:39:01):
Yeah, I've had all of them.

Speaker 12 (01:39:02):
Oh well, let's I mean, I got stick structure questions forever,
but I mean there's some of your first hand experiences
as well. Do you feel based on the research in
the stick structure, just to stay with that for a
sec do you feel one way or another? Do you
have your own theory on it, or do you feel

(01:39:23):
like it's a communication to other sasquatch or just wide
open to it? Could be anything like when you look
inside you said you slept in one, for instance, Inside
each one of these, do you find that the ground
is different than padded down cleaner it's.

Speaker 9 (01:39:40):
Yeah, yes. I just found one of two weeks ago
over by the straight river over near Olatana. It was
a nice structure and nice lean to and it's being used.
Something's been sitting in there, and there's two deer trails
on each side of it. And then I found some

(01:40:01):
other ones that over the summertime where the weeds and
the grass are a foot and have tall inside they
have they're unused. They're not they're not using them.

Speaker 4 (01:40:12):
How tall are you, Paul?

Speaker 9 (01:40:14):
Six two?

Speaker 12 (01:40:15):
Okay, Well, and that's the thing I mean, I I'm
you know, on the fence with a lot of this stuff.
But I would assume an animal that big has to
eat an enormous amount of food. And I understand that
there is everything that they're looking for is in Minnesota,
in a lot of states and right across from coast
to coast to Canada. So but it would make a

(01:40:37):
lot of sense that they could easily depending because I
know that the deer population in Minnesota is just astronomical.
You also have every other animal that they would eat, moose,
you know, you name it, it's on the menu, and
every erry, every you know, but it's I would think
that they would have to move around a bit too.
So a lot of these structures they'd build if they're

(01:40:59):
in an area for three to six weeks, because the
berries are out in that time, and they know the patches,
you know, that's why they're in the area for whatever
season it is. You know, they could sit dormant for
you know, and and there's a lot of talk about
them moving you know, south for the winter inside. I

(01:41:19):
don't see that at all. I mean, I've heard far
too many stories and listen to far too many encounters
now where they and people with them on their property
that they stay put.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
Just hanging on a second.

Speaker 12 (01:41:33):
But they have a big range. I would think that
they would move around. They're not going to deplete an
area of its food. You know, They're going to move
after ever so often. And these structures are perfect little
home bases, like I said, for the mom and the
kids to hang it out in. And they have a
couple of juveniles that are you know, and if little

(01:41:53):
sentries watching always all the way around. From what I understand,
that's how they move and the big alpha males and
stuff for constantly hunting.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
One of the questions, like Loretta had, was about scent.
But here's my theory. They build these, they leave them there,
and that way the deer get used to them, and
then all of a sudden they're in it and they
can ambush deer.

Speaker 12 (01:42:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
It just it just breaks up. Yeah, it breaks up
their outline.

Speaker 12 (01:42:24):
Yeah. Lots of hunters have witnessed and been caught in
between sasquatch herting deer towards their ambush where their ambush
is set up. And these would be perfect for that.
You know, if you have those deer trails going right
by the front door like that, they just have to
reach hot and break a leg.

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
And so, Paul, if I supply you some camera traps,
would you be willing to put them on an area
where away a little way from the structure, like let's
say ten yards, just to film deer, not not to
get footage a bit foot but to film thear so

(01:43:03):
we can document how many deer come by and where
you know they're going to pass that structure, right, because
the camera might scare the big foods up, but it
won't scare the deer off. So we can do a
study on that.

Speaker 9 (01:43:18):
We're going to talk.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
I can bring a couple up for you if you
come up to Grand Rapids, sure, October third and fourth.
I'll bring a couple of.

Speaker 9 (01:43:32):
A couple of years ago, I told my son and
a couple other people were they hunt on the land
rice on. I told him, I said, build a stick structure.
And my son's like, what I said, don't go up
sixteen feet in the air and sit on the stand.
It ain't gonna happen because I don't believe in sitting
in the stand. But told them just build a stick
structure at a certain spot and get it like you're saying,

(01:43:55):
you know, the deer get used to it. And I said,
just sit inside that structure, give it a try and
see if you can get a good shot off. They
didn't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
There's a really tall winter. That's that's what we call
the classic TV.

Speaker 9 (01:44:16):
It's a good TV. Yep, it's gone now.

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
I'll explain.

Speaker 9 (01:44:23):
Yeah, I was taken. It was there for a couple
of years and I had trail cams out there, couldn't
pick up anything, and then all of a sudden, it
just it was being taken down.

Speaker 12 (01:44:39):
That's a good question as well. Have you built any
stick structures yourself near near any of theirs, or just
put some sticks up to see if you move them?

Speaker 9 (01:44:49):
Yep, was the result of that. Sometimes they'll they'll just
add a stick to it, or they'll put a stick
on and they'll lean it. They'll put it in the
crotch of a tree close by.

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
Mind, see, William, can you do a quick maybe AI
or whatever? How many calories does the deer contain of
good edible meat, the average deer average. I'm curious. Nobody
else very ext Do you know how many calories garden?

Speaker 12 (01:45:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
Dere with.

Speaker 11 (01:45:30):
Williams looking it up.

Speaker 12 (01:45:31):
I think.

Speaker 11 (01:45:34):
He's pretty good at that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
Now, Minci said, do you keep GPS stand on the locations?
I kind of doubt you do because it's sometimes not
so fun, but maybe you should, Paul, have you thought
about that?

Speaker 9 (01:45:50):
Nope, I can go back. I'm really really good at directions.
I can go back to the Spotify on the structures
five years ago and find it perfectly.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
It's interesting. But it would be cool, Paul, to have
a map marked, whole map.

Speaker 9 (01:46:08):
I've got one going. You do, Okay, Well, I got
a waste to go, but I've got some ideas on it.

Speaker 12 (01:46:18):
It'd be really cool the past idea for future research.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
And yeah, but it would be really cool to actually
get the g I s or the GBS locations, put
them on a map and they can go into the
Bigfoot mapping project and then Scott can analyze it.

Speaker 12 (01:46:34):
That's the data we need. Yeah, tree structure systematically and
eventually it's gonna it's going to prove, you know, science
like that's data that week.

Speaker 4 (01:46:43):
Yeah, absolutely, you can use.

Speaker 12 (01:46:49):
I'm curious about the future. What do you think the
future is of of mapping. I mean you mentioned, you know,
obviously taking the photos, measuring, looking in and documenting the
structure itself, but the future with light R or drones.
Have you ever used a drone to find some of
these things?

Speaker 9 (01:47:08):
Never? I don't need one.

Speaker 12 (01:47:09):
Well, yeah, I guess you're doing okay on your own.

Speaker 4 (01:47:14):
Paul's a load tech.

Speaker 9 (01:47:16):
I don't use light R, I don't use the drone.
I don't use GPS, I don't use an infrared night vision.
I just use myself. Yeah, well, that way I have.
That way, I have nothing to worry about. All I
have is my flash flight and that's it, and I
do pretty well with that night time or some time.

Speaker 12 (01:47:38):
I think that's the way that I mean, you're going
to have more experiences too. That way. I mean, that's
proven obviously. You know, everything affects whether or not there's
a reason that they haven't made contact with humanity ever,
Like they just don't. So and you know you have
gun over your shoulder, they know what that is. You
have a camera in your pocket, they know they have that.

(01:48:00):
They can detect the smell in the electronics, you know,
the infrared. There's a little motor in everything that we
can't hear it that they could probably hear like all
these things. Their smell, their senses are on another level,
like you know, I don't. They can do things, and
everyone's starting to realize that they can do things that

(01:48:22):
we can't. A lot of the native and past history
says that we at one time could do a lot
of those things, and that you know, obviously we've become
more dependent on technology and everything else. They haven't, so
I can only imagine that. You know, It's like if
someone walked in your living room and moved something, you
would know, well, you go into the.

Speaker 9 (01:48:42):
Night, right, it happens.

Speaker 13 (01:48:44):
I have.

Speaker 9 (01:48:46):
Entities or whoever they are leaving me glyphs in my
house inside or out inside. Wow, and once in a
while outside sometimes those glyphs look exactly like a stick
glyph in the woods.

Speaker 4 (01:49:01):
Yeah, I remember when you called me one time, Paul,
you go. Have you ever had reports of blake? I
think your shoes were stacked up something like that. Can
you tell that story?

Speaker 9 (01:49:13):
It's interesting it I've had my shoes. I come home
my tennis shoes and they're in a completely different room,
stacked on top of each other. And I've had court
right now on my floor over here.

Speaker 4 (01:49:26):
I've got.

Speaker 9 (01:49:28):
Three quarters four quarters that have been moved every other
day so far in a different position, okay, And I
just leave them there. I just let them play with it.
And sometimes I'll there's I'll feel it. They'll it's it's
like they're giving me a sign where I'll just stand
in my house and years ago I would look to

(01:49:51):
I would look out to the west and I go, Okay,
I got it, that's where IM going. Because their gliphs
were kind of telling me to go to the west okay,
and I was pretty successful.

Speaker 12 (01:50:02):
That is pretty cool, see, And that's that's what I've
been experiencing as well. And a lot of a lot
of people do so that that's very cool. Have you
done any gifting yourself, left them anything or yes, yep,
and it's been taken and any experience with that it
uh yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:50:20):
The most recent one, I was out with my research
partner and we stopped out of a county park which
is surrounded by woods and water. Were the only ones there,
and I brought in three peanut butter jars three there
were different colors, and I put the blue two side
by side, and I put the blue on the top.

(01:50:42):
And they're all tight or just a bit on, you know,
loosened up, and we went down by the river and
the creek checking things out. And when we came back up,
the top one with the blue top it was on
the ground cover was off, all the peanut butter was gone.

(01:51:03):
And wow, my friend looked at it. She goes raccoon.
I said maybe, and I said, I doubt it. No
two marks and it just there was no true marks
on it. It must have just did it all with
its fingers.

Speaker 12 (01:51:18):
And like, were we talking cleaned out, cleaned out or
was the remnant?

Speaker 9 (01:51:22):
It was pretty Yes, it was close.

Speaker 12 (01:51:24):
You can notice any finger marks inside or anything like that. Now,
the other two jars weren't touched, just the one with
the blue lid.

Speaker 9 (01:51:31):
Just the one one that that was sitting on top.

Speaker 12 (01:51:33):
Doug with them.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
Yeah, I know, let's just keep hearing it.

Speaker 12 (01:51:38):
If it was a raccoon, bear or any any other animal,
you would have at least noticed scratches and two marks.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
For let's well, let's backtrack to these these strange things
in your house.

Speaker 14 (01:51:51):
I got.

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
I ever heard this even from my son one time
came back from a bigfoot expedition and he had a
I think it was a bull of rocks somewhere in there,
you know, for decoration, and they were stacked into a
pyramid and moved like out of the ball somewhere else
while they were gone. And you know, the problem is,

(01:52:17):
how do we connect it to Bigfoot? We can only
infer that's it could be any other phenomena, you know
what I mean. We just don't know anything. You can't
immediately go, oh, it's a big foot coming into my
house physically, or it could be some kind of weird ghost,
or it could be who knows, just we we don't know.

(01:52:39):
There's too many explanations. But it is interesting and he
should be talked about because if if you can are
willing to talk about it in public, maybe other people
will go, Hey, that happens to me. That happens to me.
Then we start gathering more evidence.

Speaker 12 (01:52:59):
And unfortunately, because I'm new to this, i'd like I
knew nothing big if it wasn't on my radar. Ghosts
I was staying away from because I just don't want
to go there. But there's just so many other things
that have been brought to my attention by people, friends
and stuff that I've talked to, or friends I've made

(01:53:19):
that saw the show that I was on with Doug
Here was the first time I ever talked about what
happened to me, And since then my mind blew up
with things that it could be that all these little
elementals is a thing. There's like all these things, and
they're sending me. I've received one hundred and one messages
of things to do to the property. In case it's this,

(01:53:41):
you should get a shaman in and blessed, get a
Christian priest over to breath blessed property. Yeah, the smudging stuff,
you know, all that stuff can't hurt, you know, those
kinds of things, because we don't know what it is,
and there's just so many things out there that it
could be.

Speaker 4 (01:53:55):
But no, Greg Olsen made a wide statement. He's said
the pure normal can mimic everything. That's the worry I have.
I definitely a believer of the bear normal, only because
I've had things like you know, I can't explain I've witnessed,
and just is it connected to the big whit mystery.

(01:54:18):
It very well could be I just don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:54:21):
Doug. You come home and your stock of shoes from
the closet is in another room stacked up. Yeah, okay
that now, if there was ever a porch or something
going on, obviously that how freaked out are you going
to be? The quarters and stuff being moved around? Okay?
Well you I assume maybe live alone, and you know,
no one's touched those or anything else, but a stack

(01:54:44):
of shoes moved to another room.

Speaker 4 (01:54:47):
It'd be pretty weird. I just don't want people to
think that we're all going off, and you know that's
not a conclusion.

Speaker 12 (01:54:53):
We're just.

Speaker 4 (01:54:55):
I love to just let people tell what happened and
you can decide whatever you want to believe or whatever theories.
But I hate to take that Dana and just not
you know, just covered up. Well you can't. You can't
talk about that, talk about this, don't mention the shoes
in your living room that got stacked up. I don't believe.

Speaker 12 (01:55:15):
And I mean the paranormal has been covered a lot
more than Yeah, it has watched too, Like there's a video,
lots of video covered slamming chairs, moving lights, going on, on,
Like there is actual tons of video of Yeah, that
stuff happening in real time. So their sasquatch is so
fascinating because he's he's the ultimate ultimate predator, warrior, whatever,

(01:55:40):
because he can live completely without anything. So he's the
most pure form of human that my uncles that hunted
and fished and everything trapped for a living would have
been completely envious of this creature that can is self sustainable,
doesn't need anything, doesn't need your you know. So it's impressive.

(01:56:01):
But to enter your house, that's another that's a different story,
and I wouldn't I'm not ruling that out because I
have also seen and I don't know if you have, Paul,
any researchers videos online and stuff encounters and stuff where
they've actually experienced suff in their houses and documented it
and there's pictures of that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
Yeah, I don't want to stop you from telling some
of your encounters. I know you've seen some glimpses of
things and he had some of your own encounters with rocks,
And do you want to give us an example of
a story an encounter that you've had.

Speaker 9 (01:56:45):
Sure, my first sighting, daytime sighting, it was a daytime
sighting of a bigfoot and it was a total surprise unexpected.
It was a beautiful and nice day and I was
out in the prairie with woods surrounded by it and

(01:57:05):
no wind. Was just walking on the edge of the
woods in the prairie and I just thought, well, maybe
i'll maybe I'll get him something shadowing me. And after
a while I came to a tree and it wasn't
the season where bucks had their antlers on, and there

(01:57:26):
was a decent size cedar tree, probably thirty feet tall
or so, and it was ripped to shreds. Every branch
was off of it, the bark it was ripped a
shit shreds, and all around it in a diameter of
about seven feet or so, everything was flat. And it's stunk.

(01:57:51):
I mean, I think they had a little bit of
the cedar tree smell, but it's stunk. And it woke
me up a bit. I kept walking and I heard
a snap behind me in the woods, and I turned
to my right to get a glimpse of it, and
I couldn't. I didn't see anything. But when I turned

(01:58:14):
back to my right, there the Bigfoot was. I was
standing thirty yards from a broad daylight, beautiful looking creature,
and I had to get my mind together because It
was a cool, cool sight. It was amazing. It was incredible,
but yet I was still like, what the heck am

(01:58:36):
I seeing? And the studiing lasted a few minutes, no noise.
It wasn't looking at me. It's back right shoulder was
to me, its face was the other way. It was massive, muscular.
I had my nickname Ford is Arnold because it's it's

(01:59:00):
Its hair was so sculpted and so clean and groomed.
I could see every detail of its muscles. They were huge.
If that satsquatch wanted to attack me, it would have
taken me out in seconds. But I didn't feel any fear,
and I got I kept shuffling closer to it and

(01:59:21):
closer to it, and as I did that, it slowly
started to move into the woods, and it looked like
it was gliding more than lumbering with a step. And
I could not hear it move. I did not hear
it move, and it went in the woods and it disappeared.
I don't know if it was the male or female,

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but it was huge, probably six hundred pounds seven and
a half feet tall.

Speaker 4 (01:59:48):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:59:49):
And I waited around for a while trying to think, Okay,
there's no way anyone could have been hoaxed in that.
And I waited around a while, just sitting off to
another area, and about twenty minutes later, up on the
hill in the woods, I heard some moans that sounded
like a injured or sick cow. And there's no cows

(02:00:12):
within twenty miles from where I was. So that was
my first daytime setting of a bigfoot. It was pretty incredible.

Speaker 4 (02:00:21):
What color, Paul, he was?

Speaker 9 (02:00:23):
Silver? Kind of a silver, really light gray, which streaks
of black in him.

Speaker 12 (02:00:32):
What time of day?

Speaker 9 (02:00:33):
Three four o'clock?

Speaker 12 (02:00:36):
And you said you heard him, and that's what brought
through your attention.

Speaker 3 (02:00:40):
I heard.

Speaker 9 (02:00:41):
I think what I heard was one of his tribe
was behind me following me, because I heard a nice
stick break, But I knew it wasn't a deer that
did that, and so something was behind me following me.
I don't think it was the same bigfoot that I saw.
He was a big body, he was huge. How long

(02:01:02):
ago was that mm hmm, twenty fourteen?

Speaker 12 (02:01:06):
Okay, wow, So clearly he meant for you to see him.

Speaker 9 (02:01:10):
Something did.

Speaker 12 (02:01:11):
Yeah, you don't step out like that, I guess in
being that close.

Speaker 9 (02:01:17):
Yeah, he trusted me. He trusted me. And I'll admit
you if if if I was ready for him to
come after me, if he would have came, I would
not be here.

Speaker 12 (02:01:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:01:29):
No, that's the thing.

Speaker 9 (02:01:31):
Nothing I could have done.

Speaker 12 (02:01:33):
That. That's the saving grace for so many, so many hunters,
so many people like yourself, researchers Carlson who crawls into
the bush with them feet from them. The saving graces
is that if they wanted you, you'd be dead. Like
for me to go back to my cabin, I'm trebulent
at least and going back on Monday for another two weeks.

Speaker 9 (02:01:55):
And and I can honestly tell you this. If I'd
have been caring pistol, or if I had been carrying
a rifle or a shotgun, any one of those what
I had on him, it would have been easy to
drop him. It would have been no problem. But I
wouldn't have done it even if I was carrying a firearm.
When I was hunting, I never would to pull up

(02:02:16):
on him, never.

Speaker 12 (02:02:18):
Were able to make out any of his facial features
or no, no like that, eh.

Speaker 9 (02:02:26):
Around No, it was more rounded. It was more rounded,
and there was the neck was huge, it was thick,
and it was low to the shoulders, there was like
looks like no neck. It was just it was huge
and it was me.

Speaker 12 (02:02:41):
You'd find me standing in the same spot the next day.
I wouldn't. I would be still in shock, just dumbfounded,
like just how long did it take you to process that?

Speaker 9 (02:02:53):
It took a while? It took a while. I think
I probably even maybe called Doug about it or texted him.

Speaker 12 (02:03:04):
How long had you been researching up until that.

Speaker 9 (02:03:06):
Happened, like going out ten years?

Speaker 12 (02:03:09):
And was that a common area, that particular spot.

Speaker 9 (02:03:13):
It's it's been a common area for a while.

Speaker 12 (02:03:15):
So they're probably used to you and and knew your intent.
Is they trust me? Yeah? You hear it over and
over again, the.

Speaker 11 (02:03:24):
Trust Let me interrupt.

Speaker 4 (02:03:26):
Squatch Mama on one of our moderators says, what state
of mind were you in and what color were you wearing?
Do you remember what color clothing?

Speaker 9 (02:03:37):
That's a great question. I don't remember what I was.
I probably had blue jeans on, a pair of boots.

Speaker 4 (02:03:44):
Probably had a great T shirt on.

Speaker 9 (02:03:48):
I probably did. Yeah, and uh, but pair of blue jeans,
my boots, and if it was a warm day, I
probably was just wearing just wearing a t shirt of mind,
great question.

Speaker 4 (02:04:02):
It just it was like staring at it.

Speaker 9 (02:04:07):
It was like I knew and like Peppingham was like,
what's going on here?

Speaker 12 (02:04:13):
You know?

Speaker 9 (02:04:14):
Is that like a holograph that Hollywood put there?

Speaker 12 (02:04:16):
Now?

Speaker 9 (02:04:18):
It It just was a great question state of mind.
It was because that was my first excellent sighting of
a bigfoot daytime, so close that I could see every
in his deltoid's torpsias, biceps. He was just he was

(02:04:40):
a he was a statue. He was awesome or she.
But the state of mind was just trying to figure
things out because I didn't know if he the Sasquatch
bigfoot was going to run really quickly, or if it
was going to drop to its knees or go to
all fours and just watch me period above the you
know the grass I was. I was just fascinated by

(02:05:05):
it and it stuck with me for a long time.

Speaker 4 (02:05:10):
Hold your thought there, Paul. We have to take just
a little quick commercial break. Let's do that right now. Jeff,
if you've got.

Speaker 12 (02:05:19):
Suh, I want to know a play how after that?

Speaker 4 (02:05:22):
When we get back the New York big Foot.

Speaker 9 (02:05:30):
Oh yes, they say.

Speaker 1 (02:05:36):
They came with their stories. They came with their proof
from the ebolition Holland.

Speaker 4 (02:05:46):
To the cabin crew.

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
The New York Bigfoot Conference just offers more convincing proof.

Speaker 7 (02:05:57):
Sasquat believers the skeptics.

Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
To under one big gerna with a curious cruise, vinder
boots and chili.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
Fries, Crimson shirts and every size bick for tree. They
seemed spy him just the other.

Speaker 16 (02:06:27):
Day, and I don't believe like this fass looked like
a Sasqua.

Speaker 1 (02:06:36):
Shaws bits for green do the guice. The man was
gonna leave a camera.

Speaker 4 (02:06:53):
Says he heard the howl.

Speaker 1 (02:06:56):
By a creeks so quiet near an old church tower.

Speaker 7 (02:07:04):
Wall and soft foot frends as big as a flea.
She said, I froze in the woods. I couldn't escape
celebrity speakers, camera flash selling big flooding lots though your monastass.

Speaker 1 (02:07:24):
Big, but the race, the evidence is melting here after
leading spotted him just the other the trees. It's a
shadow flee big flootery. Don't look away.

Speaker 17 (02:07:54):
Come to the New York big Foot Conference and believe.

Speaker 11 (02:08:11):
Yeah, it's coming up pretty quick.

Speaker 4 (02:08:12):
When we are back. Yeah, I'd say get your tickets
because if you don't pretty soon you're not going to
be able to. So anyhow, back to your story, Paul,
I saw the back kind of a similar situation. It
was it had its back to me an event, and
it was walking along kind of a ditch through the alders,

(02:08:37):
pretty much out in the open. It was daytime too,
it was kind of getting towards twilight. But it had
this grand black hair that was really beautiful. And when
you say streaked, ours had like, yeah, it was like
kind of almost dots, like I mean, obviously a hair

(02:08:57):
can't be two colors, but it was just so sprinkled
salt and pepper. Was that kind of what you saw.

Speaker 14 (02:09:05):
It?

Speaker 9 (02:09:05):
Good question?

Speaker 12 (02:09:06):
It was.

Speaker 9 (02:09:08):
It was more a really really light gray and I
would say probably seventy eighty percent of the body was
that way the hair, and then the black. The black
was maybe underneath, but I could definitely see black streaks
in there. Okay, yep.

Speaker 4 (02:09:32):
And it had it's like shoulder to you, so did
you see it side profile or just the back?

Speaker 9 (02:09:39):
All I saw was the right shoulder, yeah, a little
bit of the chest and all all of the back.

Speaker 4 (02:09:46):
I call it a class A non counter. It's kind
of like because you don't get to see the face.
I know it's not fine, it's I walked. I walked
right up.

Speaker 9 (02:09:58):
I walked right up to the spot where it was
standing slowly. I didn't want it to spook it. It
was just like, I'm you're okay, human, I'm leaving. And
I got up to the spot where it was standing
when I first saw it and was walking in the woods.
It's trapped herpsius or V shaped going right down to

(02:10:22):
a waist and they were huge traps for huge shoulders.
And that's why I call them martold because I could
see I could see all the detail in the muscles.

Speaker 4 (02:10:34):
Fascinating.

Speaker 12 (02:10:38):
So and you said clean clean hair.

Speaker 9 (02:10:41):
It was clean, shiny, yeah, yeah, yeah. It looked like
it had been bathed or or groomed or something. It
wasn't madden and messy.

Speaker 4 (02:10:50):
And right now the one we saw too was very clean.
So there's a there's a new question up from squatch
bomb again. So she was in trusted in your feelings
or your state of mind before the encounter, not when
you saw it, but before. She asked, Now, before the encounter,
were you feeling grounded, serene, deeply connected your surroundings the forest,

(02:11:15):
or were you hyper aware and primal, did you since
it was there.

Speaker 9 (02:11:22):
It wasn't primal. It after I saw that tree that
had been taken care of, and it just kept walking,
and I had.

Speaker 4 (02:11:30):
In my mind, I don't know, Paul, she's asking before
you saw it, not after you saw it.

Speaker 9 (02:11:35):
Before, this was before I saw it. Oh, it just
I was just I knew where I was headed. I
knew which way the woods went. It turned to the right,
or I was going to go across the paride to
the left and go back to my vehicle and go home.
That's that was my plan. And I would just I
would just nonchalantly just it was good. Everything was good.

(02:11:59):
I didn't feel threatened, I didn't feel scared. I didn't
feel you know, hyper, nothing like that. I was just
really relaxed.

Speaker 12 (02:12:07):
Do you remember were you talking to him prior to
that or were you whistling or anything? No, no, no,
just just documenting and looking for structures and doing your walk, hiking.

Speaker 9 (02:12:20):
And just being myself, taking my time and just walking
like I do.

Speaker 12 (02:12:24):
Yep. So you had mentioned that you heard the stick
break from the other direction afterwards.

Speaker 9 (02:12:32):
Yeah, yeah, I went behind me before I saw the
big Did is.

Speaker 12 (02:12:36):
There anything after he walked into the bush. Did you
hear any other noise, any other movement?

Speaker 14 (02:12:40):
No?

Speaker 9 (02:12:41):
I waited. I sat down, and I waited in a
in a bushy area, and just trying to contemplate what
the heck just happened? What did I just see?

Speaker 12 (02:12:53):
How long do you think you're sitting there?

Speaker 9 (02:12:55):
Probably half hour? And then that's when I heard what
sounded like injured or sick cows up in the woods
mooing at me, moaning.

Speaker 12 (02:13:07):
More than one.

Speaker 9 (02:13:09):
And I yes, yeah, And now if I look back
on that, if that happened again, I would definitely do
I would definitely do something different.

Speaker 12 (02:13:19):
What would that be? Do you think I would go
look for him, go right at him.

Speaker 9 (02:13:26):
I'd either go right at him, or I would take
my place in the woods, knowing or guessing assuming which
way they might go, because I doubt they would run
across the prairie because it's so open. And I would
just try to do something to get myself lost in
the prairie and maybe come back circle around and come
back up around.

Speaker 12 (02:13:47):
Them to start moving back at him. Yeah, get some interaction.
That's something else, clearly, you know, I mean that speaks
on so many levels. If you think about it. There's,
like I said, people so many people that have had
or seen them, not by happen stance off a bridge

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when you're driving by and look down and there's something
in the creek. You go back and it's gone. But
what happened to you where it's pretty clear that it
wanted you to see it, or it gave you the opportunity,
a clear opportunity to see it. And that's why I
asked if you had been going to the area a
lot and they were comfortable with you and I know
yours and everything else since then, because I was you

(02:14:33):
said twenty, you know, fourteen or something have you when
I would imagine you started going back to that.

Speaker 9 (02:14:41):
Area a lot more because you know, yeah it's a
nice area. It's eight hundred acres and and oh yeah, yeah,
I've had a few a few settings. One was last summer,
I believe, at about fifty yards away, I saw something

(02:15:02):
look look like a medium sized spruce tree black and
I just stood and stared at I was, ah, like,
what the heck is going on here? And then it
just kind of moved and just kind of vanished and
looked like it went in the woods and just went poof,

(02:15:24):
And then I started taking pictures and a little bit
later I saw a black sat squatch walking from right
to left and I was able to get one picture,
but it's it's at about fifty yards.

Speaker 12 (02:15:38):
Away in the woods.

Speaker 9 (02:15:42):
Yeah, he's on he's on the edge of the woods,
and it's unless you zoom. You got to zoom in
on it to see his to see his outline and
his figure.

Speaker 12 (02:15:51):
You don't feel like you've seen the same one. No, okay, No,
that's interesting.

Speaker 9 (02:16:00):
I think it was a young one.

Speaker 12 (02:16:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:16:05):
I'm gonna interrupt here because that's always been my theory.
When one of these shows itself that they are doing
the kill deer, they're distracting you because their kid and
family is over here and they're kind of trying to
distract you. And it seems to be kind of a

(02:16:25):
pattern of that when they come out in the open. Sure,
because it almost seemed like Paul, like it showed you itself. Correct,
it's an impression. Yeah, it probably was doing a distraction technique.

Speaker 12 (02:16:39):
I think a lot of the distraction techniques come or
are centered around their family unit, their group, their clan,
their kids. You stumble if you're hiking and you're you
stumble into an area and take them by surprise, and
you're too close to the nursery. Let's say one of
the stick structures that you're investigating, there's a little kid
in it, well down at the lake, and you know,

(02:17:01):
so there's that. But I mean there's lots of ways
they distract you. They throw things first, Oh sure, there's
stick knocks, there's whoops, there's like all kinds of things
that distract you. Showing yourself is I would think for
them a last resort. Personally, I think that you're gonna
get Paul's attention just as quick and just as fast

(02:17:21):
if you let off a rip, a roar, a stick
or a tree knock or anything that's going to distract
him as just as well. Right, But showing yourself that
that's next level in my opinion, there's.

Speaker 4 (02:17:36):
There's a question for you, Paul. Saint Croix River, Valley, Sasquatch,
who's obviously another he's border. I don't know if he's
on the Minnesota side or the Wisconsin side. But the
Saint Qui River, for anybody that doesn't know borders, it
forms the border between Minnesota and Wisconsin. It's a protected river.

(02:17:59):
It's I think it's federally protected, right, Jeff. Beautiful and
there's a few homes on it, but they've been grandfathered in.
But it's a wild, beautiful river. And there's a lot
of big whatot reports there. But he's asking what county

(02:18:19):
have you had the most either. I don't think he
gets any reports. I think I think Paul is the report.
He's the reporter, and they're in the report. Guy, you're
kind of everything. Nobody does research down there. No, I
don't know of anybody.

Speaker 9 (02:18:35):
The county that I live in is blue Earth County,
Blue Earth, and I believe if I did my check
in right, that Blue Earth County might have the most
the county with the most rivers in it in Minnesota.
And they're not all big ones, like the Minnesota's the biggest, yeah,
but there's a lot of smaller rivers.

Speaker 4 (02:18:56):
And the Minnesota River is very wild people, it's extremely wild,
even even as it runs through Minneapolis and Shokopy area.
It's just as forested as you can ever comprehend. Right.

Speaker 9 (02:19:11):
So it's blue Worth County. And when I when I go,
i'll go to places where, yeah, you know, there's maybe
been some human activity, but I don't stand the trails.
I go off trail and I go in the ravines
and I go up on the hills.

Speaker 3 (02:19:28):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 9 (02:19:31):
You know, you get to the place and I look
up and go around and go, okay, am I going
to do that? We got to be a billy goat
or like a sasquatch on all fours and I do it.
I get down on all fours and it's go up
the hill A little's easy.

Speaker 12 (02:19:50):
Have you have you been whistled at?

Speaker 9 (02:19:52):
And uh, absolutely yep.

Speaker 12 (02:19:56):
And when you're hiking, I assume you're not part of
a troop or a group or own research group. You're
alone most of the time.

Speaker 9 (02:20:04):
I'm alone most of the time, and I've got a
partner who helps me.

Speaker 12 (02:20:08):
Okay, And are you a whistler or a hummer when
you're out there, or like I have a basketball.

Speaker 9 (02:20:16):
I've done it a few times and not much success.
And I've talked to some researchers online who if I
pronounce it right, the window go or winding go, it's
a window window go, they say, They say, if he's
if it's in the area, don't whistle right because it

(02:20:37):
means something bad. So I've taken that to notice that
I have whistled before. I've had years ago. I was
out making a a cast on some prints I found,
and I got back out there at dark, and I

(02:20:58):
didn't have all my geary with me at I didn't
have a flashlight, but I knew where I was going
and doing and standing waiting for it to dry. And
I looked up and out in the woods I saw
a pair of eyes looking at me, and it was
out their waists. They were kind of an amber color.

(02:21:19):
And then I waved at it and I said, hello,
somebody's here. Somebody's here. I don't want to disturb you.
I'm going to be going there a little bit because
I was thinking maybe it was another human.

Speaker 4 (02:21:31):
And then.

Speaker 9 (02:21:33):
This glow shut off, and then I heard a whistle.

Speaker 12 (02:21:37):
Like he's letting someone else.

Speaker 9 (02:21:41):
And then I whistled back and I saw this amber
light go on again, and I yelled at him. I said,
there's somebody here, there's a human here. Don't come any closer.
I'm leaving here in a couple of minutes, because I thought,
but I'm thinking, that's no flashlight that I see in

(02:22:03):
the woods. And I waited a bit, waited a bit,
and then it was straight ahead of me at like
twelve o'clock, and then over here at nine o'clock, I
saw the same eyes again, and about that time I
just kept watching it. And then about that time, to

(02:22:25):
my right, I was forty fifty feet from the Minnesota
River and there was a couple of really big cotton
wit trees there, and out of the blue, a guttural
was between me.

Speaker 4 (02:22:41):
In that river.

Speaker 9 (02:22:42):
It sounded like it was right behind this big old
cotton wit tree, and that bugger.

Speaker 12 (02:22:47):
Was a male.

Speaker 9 (02:22:50):
That guttural was so loud and so deep, and it
just was fearsome, and I thought, oh god, yeah, and
I talked to it. I'm thinking no human could have
done that noise, but I talked to it and I said,
there's a human here. One of us is going to

(02:23:11):
get hurt if you come closer.

Speaker 11 (02:23:14):
And after that, after I.

Speaker 9 (02:23:16):
Heard that guttural, then I heard movement behind me, and
I saw those eyes again behind me, and then I
saw some movement, and so right about then I scooped up,
scooped up my print or my cast, stuffed up my
jacket and I got the hell out of there.

Speaker 12 (02:23:36):
Yeah, yeah, I would have.

Speaker 9 (02:23:39):
I didn't have a flashlight if I would have had
my flash light, my spotlight boom, I would have shined
it right away.

Speaker 12 (02:23:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:23:46):
Yeah, that was my first and probably the most intense
guttural I've ever.

Speaker 12 (02:23:52):
Heard, threatening guttural, like scary or just it's I wasn't
letting you know it was there.

Speaker 9 (02:23:59):
I wasn't scared. I wasn't terrified, but I was like,
oh my god, that wasn't something that did. That had
to have a big, big chest and a big set
of lungs.

Speaker 12 (02:24:12):
And you're being triangulated. Wow that you know you and
that's a dusk er. It wasn't completely dark yet, but.

Speaker 9 (02:24:21):
It was dark. It was dark.

Speaker 12 (02:24:23):
Yeah, man, you uh out there in the dark.

Speaker 5 (02:24:27):
Too, And that is kind of you know, Oh, Paul's
got got You went out with my He went out
with my son God one time.

Speaker 4 (02:24:38):
Do you remember that? Yes, up and up in wood
tick Country. They were just they came back from that
and they're like, Paul's crazy. We each have like three
hundred wood ticks on us and he just doesn't even care.

Speaker 12 (02:24:52):
This. This is the sun that was looking up where.

Speaker 11 (02:24:59):
To glean camp?

Speaker 4 (02:25:00):
Okay, that's my son blame.

Speaker 12 (02:25:02):
He's calling you crazy.

Speaker 9 (02:25:03):
So that says a lot no, he was calling Paul.

Speaker 12 (02:25:06):
No, that's what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:25:07):
Yeah, oh yeah, and he was like, oh man, that
guy's just like he's unstoppable. He just he doesn't care
about anything. He just like going right through the forest
in that dark without a flashlight.

Speaker 12 (02:25:22):
But again, this is one of the areas that you frequented.

Speaker 4 (02:25:25):
No, we were up the north.

Speaker 12 (02:25:26):
Were happened to Paul? Where he got this the deep guttural.

Speaker 9 (02:25:33):
Oh, the gut ural, Yeah, it was probably it was
right next to the Minnesota River, about ten to twelve
miles from my house Fieldfield.

Speaker 12 (02:25:42):
So this is a plan that would know you because
you go there often.

Speaker 9 (02:25:46):
And yeah, I go to a lot of a lot
of places often, and there I think they trust me.

Speaker 12 (02:25:53):
Yeah they do. You're you're not carrying a gun and
you know, you're not out there with camera flashing it
in their face and everything else.

Speaker 4 (02:26:03):
Paul has a very peaceful demeanor. He's just kind of
really laid back, super laid back. And I get it.

Speaker 12 (02:26:11):
Well, there's a reason that he's getting so many of
these experiences, and it's exactly he's the carbon copy of
the new researcher. No gun, no cameras out there in
the dark, not turning lights on, has a very calm demeanor,
is not scared of anything for you, you know, and
and doing everything right where he's being. It's all about respect,

(02:26:32):
if you if you you know, if you look at
the anyway, a lot of this what you learn is
it's about respect and respect for them and respecting them
as is. When you enter the woods, you're entering their house.

Speaker 9 (02:26:47):
So you're you're so right, and like you said, it
has been. It's a learning experience every time. You know,
some of it's like hol home. Okay, seen that before.
But every once in a while you get a surprise.

Speaker 11 (02:27:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:27:01):
And uh.

Speaker 9 (02:27:02):
For example, when I carry my my knocker to knock
on trees, I call it my thunderstick. It's a nice one.
It's three feet three feet long about this diameter, kind
of heavy. And when I find the right tree that
baby echoes. However I'm going in the daytime, I put
it in my backpack. Yeah, if I have my backpack,

(02:27:24):
I put it in my backpack. So when the squats
are looking at me, it doesn't look like I'm carrying
a weapon.

Speaker 12 (02:27:32):
Yeah. Yeah, no, that's smart, and that that's why you're
going to get these experiences.

Speaker 4 (02:27:36):
Although have you had wooden knocks back?

Speaker 12 (02:27:38):
Pall, Yeah, pardon me, Have you had three knocks back
or any?

Speaker 4 (02:27:44):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (02:27:44):
Absolutely, yeah, because I've heard they don't like it, like
from a lot of Native American or Native Canadians actually
have said that.

Speaker 4 (02:27:52):
They it's the best tool ever if you're in a
new area. It's the best tool ever to find out
if they're around.

Speaker 11 (02:28:00):
Yeah, because they do answer you.

Speaker 12 (02:28:02):
Yeah. Well, and and I would think that they answer
you because they don't know, well they know.

Speaker 4 (02:28:09):
Well, they may not. They may not, you know, because
I've gotten so many wood knocks back right away, which
is amazing. I've had them within ten feet for me
noo region and wouldnock and it's that's really freaky.

Speaker 12 (02:28:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:28:24):
But they they tend to just do it because it's
it's it's better. It's better than screaming.

Speaker 12 (02:28:32):
There's too many reasons why they could be doing it right. Obviously,
it's a form of communication, and we have the most
basic form of communication for them to to warn each other.

Speaker 4 (02:28:43):
Yeah, I think that's I think you're dead on.

Speaker 12 (02:28:45):
You know, that goes right back to again Native cultures.
The Indians did it for years where they could go
through the woods not noticed or anything else and make clicks.
They didn't you know there was You didn't know they
were there. And the Sasquats are the same way. The
sasquatchs know you're there. So that's why when I hear
people say, if you enter an area where there's Sasquatch,

(02:29:07):
there's always more than one. There's a plan, and there's
they always have a kid, juvenile something part of that clan,
because that's that's what they do. They have a family
unit and stick together. They're not you know, if you
come across a rogue Sasquatch, we wouldn't be talking to Paul.
If he comes across a rogue Sasquatch, that is not
not nice. Let's say that he was plan for not

(02:29:29):
being nice or whatever. Then I've come across.

Speaker 9 (02:29:31):
A few that are they'd let me know that, and
it's there's been sometimes where the other tribe that's here
are in the area. It's almost like they're doing something
to send me a signal that, hey, Paul, you better
move on.

Speaker 12 (02:29:51):
Not a good time to be here.

Speaker 9 (02:29:52):
Yeah, and then it's quiet for a while, and then
all of a sudden, I'd like all help breaks those
suf with vocals with a branch being broken off and
it's like, oh, oh, there's one here that doesn't like me.

Speaker 12 (02:30:10):
So I leave m or one that you know, if
he's the alpha male and just doesn't want you there
because you know, he's not comfortable with you being there.
Sure he's out hunting a lot of the times that
you are there, and it's the family unit and the
you know, the alpha females, and they don't necessarily have
a problem with you because you've been going there ten years.
They know who you are and your intent and everything.

(02:30:30):
But it just takes one alpha male. Here's the thing
if you study like this is again just my theories
based on what I've been doing a lot of reading,
and it makes a lot of sense that they have
to breed. And when the juveniles get to an age

(02:30:50):
where they have they're ready to go leave the klan
and start their own family, they're then a rogue and
they have to travel to go because they're not gonna
make bloodlines and everything else. So they're going to travel.
Those ones are going to you would assume, like any
animal or person or you know, tribe whatever, they're going
to go find a suitable mate somewhere and they're going

(02:31:13):
to be on their own and have to travel to
do so. Those aren't really the scary ones, but they're
like in any family unit human.

Speaker 11 (02:31:23):
You can.

Speaker 12 (02:31:26):
Have a what you would call a black sheep of
the family, be banished from your family, your family, you know,
you're kicked out for whatever. Disrespecting a female, say you're
in the clan, you're a juvenile, you disrespect one of
the females, You hurt one of the females because you're
bigger than them, whatever the case may be. And the
alpha male says, that's it. That's third strike or first strike,

(02:31:47):
whatever their rules are, you're out. That guy's now a
pissed off sasquatch that can't has no home and now
is out roaming. And if he gets hungry, because I
don't want any misnomal or I'm sorry, I'm not. I
watched David Plaidy's for one one, all the series and

(02:32:07):
everything else. There's no misnomers that sasquatch and a rogue
sasquatch that's hungry. Depending on the season UH comes across.
The easiest food for him is not chasing down a deer,
not fighting a boar, breaking next or anything he comes
across a lone Paul hiking through the bush, no one
else with him, no one else around your lunch. Like,

(02:32:30):
I don't have any misnomers about that. I don't feel
like they are you know. I don't want to paint
them in a picture of well they're looking to kill
humans or anything else. But I think that there's story here.

Speaker 9 (02:32:42):
I know my partner who goes with me, she, uh,
we just did it the other night. I tend to
on purposely, I go to places where it could be
a nice, nice area for the sasquatch to attack. I
purposely I go there and I I put I make

(02:33:04):
myself pretty vulnerable. I go there and I'm because I
look at and go, this is a perfect spot for
them to come Russia. This way, tackle a deer or
pound the heck out of it with one hit, because
there's a cliff right here, and those deer are going
to roll down. They're not they're going to die.

Speaker 4 (02:33:23):
The big food.

Speaker 9 (02:33:23):
They're going to go down and get it. And I'll
deliberately go to ambush areas where sasquatch might do it.
I try to think like they do.

Speaker 11 (02:33:31):
Man, you got guts.

Speaker 9 (02:33:35):
I'm not worried about it.

Speaker 12 (02:33:36):
Well no, and you can't. Oh yeah, he does, Mama
questions relating to your your you know, temperament, and then
what your your state of mind was, and everything else
is around that because you have to they read that.
I believe that they can see our auras immediately. People
on the planet walk around to see our ours. They definitely,

(02:33:56):
I think they kind.

Speaker 4 (02:33:57):
Of Have you ever been in a hard worst or
are you brushed by some dude? You come near it
like you getes.

Speaker 12 (02:34:04):
I live in downtown Toronto. I get that when I
leave my front door every day, every morning. So here's
here's the thing. Also in the scenario of when that
juvenile is old enough to leave and go find a mate,
and he's now doing the track to go find a mate,
when he comes across another clan or suitable clan to

(02:34:24):
you know, he's in the bush, he sees, he's watching them,
he sees a nice female there. When he approaches them,
there's going to be a fight the males of that
plan that he's approaching. Even though he's coming in with
flowers saying you have a beautiful daughter. She might probably
has a boyfriend there that's not going to be too
happy that he shows up, there's going to be a

(02:34:44):
fight in most cases. From again, this is my theory
that just stands to reason. It makes sense because I
heard this from a lot of Again, Canadian Native American
culture says that that this is what happens. And when
you hear those OHI how screaming bushes and stuff like that,
that's probably where could be what's going on, right, they

(02:35:08):
could be buying for a mete.

Speaker 9 (02:35:13):
Anyway, Doug, I got one for you, dog. I don't
I wrote it down here. I don't think you've heard
this from it before. But in July of twenty twenty three,
I was with my partner and we were out at
a hotspot where we've had some really good luck out there,

(02:35:33):
changing rock Exchanging rock throws with sasquatch was fun. And
we're out there one night. It's a place where when
the Minnesota River floods, it leaves a huge pond surrounded
by woods, and when the water subsided, we could get
in there. We set they leave sandbars and we're sitting

(02:35:54):
on a sandbar on this one side of the pond.
It's quiet, it's at night, late night whatever, and I
hear stuff across the pond and every once in a while.
Only fish that are in there are going to be
the carp that come in through the flooding, and every
once in a while it'd be a beaver slap. There

(02:36:15):
was no beaver there at that time, and I could
hear some activity across the pond and it kept kind
of going and going, and then I heard the activity
kind of be by the water. So I told my partner,
I said, stay here and keep watching right there, and
there's a there's a small stick island kind of in

(02:36:35):
front of us, and I said, I'm going to walk
around to this side, which I did, and it wasn't
a full moon, but there was enough moon to see something.
And I walked around to the other side of the
strip to the sandbar, and I heard more water moving
like something heavy was in there, and I watched and

(02:36:56):
I witnessed the sasquatch swimming for about fifteen seconds. Wow,
I wouldn't call it like he was doing. I think
he was in there. First. The noise I heard it
was this ass bigfoot going into the water, and then
maybe it was cleaning itself. When I saw it, the

(02:37:16):
water was deep, probably fifteen feet, and it was near
the shore near the bank and it was walking. It
was a brownish bigfoot. Its shoulders were absolutely huge, four
feet if not more.

Speaker 12 (02:37:35):
Huge.

Speaker 9 (02:37:36):
And all I could see was from the arm right
here up. The rest of the body was in the water,
and the arms were not doing this. The arms were
just straight down, and it had to be walking in
the muck. And I watched it walk, and it did

(02:37:57):
have a conical head, and just before it decided to
get out of the pond, it turned its head slowly,
not all the way, but just a slight turn, and
it's right eye lit up white. And then it went
up the hill on all fours and I just stood

(02:38:18):
there and stared.

Speaker 3 (02:38:19):
Oh my god.

Speaker 9 (02:38:22):
It wasn't when it was in the water, you could
hear it. It was just walking perfectly. And when it
went up, when I climbed up the hill to go
up into the woods, the body climbing up on the
hill on all fours, it looked smaller than the body
I saw walking. So I don't know if it had
a juvenile with it that was in front of it,

(02:38:45):
I don't know, but the dull body was sorry.

Speaker 12 (02:38:49):
When I turned and looked and you saw the white
was it looking at you? Do you think I believe
it was.

Speaker 11 (02:38:54):
I believe it was.

Speaker 9 (02:38:55):
I knew you were there and just kind of it's like, hey, Paul,
are you doing you know?

Speaker 12 (02:39:01):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (02:39:02):
Yep?

Speaker 11 (02:39:03):
Up it went.

Speaker 12 (02:39:04):
The beaver slaps. Were they like slapping the top of
the water or were they more like a couplunk, like
a boulder hitting the water.

Speaker 9 (02:39:10):
It's a slap, okay, yep.

Speaker 12 (02:39:13):
And the reason I asked that is my cabin. That
happens regularly, and I feel like they're swimming excuse me,
ten feet from me. I'm at the fire, and you know,
after eleven o'clock, I start to hear boulders hitting the water,
but it's like a kobboom thud. Right. I thought it
was a beaver at first, but then I'm like, it's

(02:39:33):
you know, it's eleven o'clock at night. Beavers. Yeah, they're
up and everything else, but they're not. They slap when
they get spooked. There's nothing out there. And then it's
continuous and continuous, and then I hear swimming, swimming, swimming,
like breaststroke. Something's doing, you know, and it's I can't
see it at all. There's a big line of bush

(02:39:53):
between me and the water, and I'm on the other
side of the bush at the fire, but it's right
there and I can hear it never and I think
that they're very comfortable doing that because they do it
every night I'm there.

Speaker 9 (02:40:04):
Mm hm.

Speaker 12 (02:40:05):
So I need some audio devices and stuff like that.
And that's why I said, if this show was next
week Wednesday, when I'm there, we could have did it
live from the fire. But uh, that's interesting. So anything
have you seen any orbs at all in the woods
or anything funny glowing lights and stuff like that.

Speaker 9 (02:40:26):
What color I've seen orbs? I've seen UFOs Yep. Color
color of the orbs have been blue, red, green, white, amber, yellowish.

Speaker 12 (02:40:42):
Who relaxes like it? Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
it's just you know, as a matter of fact, they
have lots of them. Do they freak you out at
all or the holes or anything?

Speaker 9 (02:40:54):
No, I'm not scared of them at all.

Speaker 12 (02:40:57):
And close up, pardon, have you seen the orbs close up?
And I don't know the ones tied to the other,
but have you run this many orbs and then had
immediately after? Yeah, consider, I've seen him.

Speaker 9 (02:41:10):
I've seen him within ten feet twenty feet we had
years ago. My friend, Uh, Jessica, who is my partner.
We were sitting in my car down by an abandoned
boat landing on the Minnesota River because we've we have
rock throwing contests with bigfoot from the other side. And

(02:41:33):
we're sitting there and all of a sudden, she said,
did you see that? And I said, no, what is it?
She goes, something went under the car, and I said,
can't be a big foot because my car only rolled
like eight inches off the ground. And then all of
a sudden, there went it went up. It was It
was a bluish kind of transparent blue, bluish circle, and

(02:42:01):
it went under the car, up around the car. I
always research with my windows down. I never shut them.
I mean I never, I always have them open. I
never shut him. And this orb went under the car,
up around the car to her side of the car,
and then it went through the windows through the car.

Speaker 12 (02:42:24):
Yeah, are we talking like softball basketball peanut size.

Speaker 9 (02:42:30):
Softball softball army baseball size.

Speaker 12 (02:42:34):
I went through the back seat, through the back windows.

Speaker 9 (02:42:36):
Or no, I went right through her window and a mine.

Speaker 12 (02:42:41):
So what do you guys do? Look at each other
after that happens? Ago, So she happened.

Speaker 9 (02:42:46):
She gets more freaked out than I, but she's gotten
really used to it.

Speaker 12 (02:42:49):
Wow. You know, it's just a solid light, nothing inside,
just blue around.

Speaker 4 (02:42:58):
I've seen blue ones and they're always semi transparent, but
you see like a core inside. It's really weird blue ones.

Speaker 12 (02:43:08):
I've heard a lot of people describe them also as
not being a light source where it lights up everything
around them. But they're just the light that they're not
like a flashlight where it's letting off light around them.

Speaker 4 (02:43:21):
I've never seen an orb light anything around it ever.

Speaker 12 (02:43:25):
And was it moving really fast, Paul?

Speaker 9 (02:43:28):
Very fast?

Speaker 12 (02:43:29):
Wow?

Speaker 9 (02:43:30):
Okay, yep, very fast. And it didn't leave any There
wasn't any kind of mysterious feeling after it went by
or went through nothing. It was just checking things out.

Speaker 12 (02:43:46):
That is awesome.

Speaker 9 (02:43:47):
Ye Oh, Doug, I wanted to tell you. I know
remember years ago being with your son Blaine. He was
a firm believer. When you're out there, you keep your
windows shutting your doors locked. Yeah, I don't. I keep
all my windows open.

Speaker 4 (02:44:07):
I've listened to the audio. That's what they'll do is
put recorders outside their car. You'll go park out the
middle of the forest, kill all the lights and just
sit there and just pitch black and they'll record audio.
Some of the audio they recorded is so scary to
listen to, like it's freaky. I would, I'd have my

(02:44:30):
windows up good night.

Speaker 1 (02:44:32):
Yeah, I just would.

Speaker 4 (02:44:35):
I don't know how you can do it, Paul. You
you are very courageous, and I don't get at it.
That's one thing Blaine said. He's like when he meant nuts,
he meant you're too courageous, Like you're just willing to
do anything.

Speaker 11 (02:44:49):
You got.

Speaker 4 (02:44:50):
Jeff, I can tell you do not go with Paul.

Speaker 12 (02:44:54):
Ever, you will never experience you will I do.

Speaker 11 (02:44:59):
I've got a shot.

Speaker 12 (02:45:01):
You don't want to have an experience. Go with Doug.

Speaker 11 (02:45:03):
Okay, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 12 (02:45:04):
He's got the cameras roll in the side, the window going.

Speaker 11 (02:45:08):
I'd be most readable getting lost. But it sounds like
he knows exactly where he's going, So.

Speaker 4 (02:45:12):
No, he doesn't. He's just not afraid of being lost.

Speaker 11 (02:45:15):
Its different. My insituation stinks I'd get lost and kidding, but.

Speaker 4 (02:45:21):
Yeah, no, Paul, I've never we've never had a rescue him,
so he seems unbelievable.

Speaker 12 (02:45:26):
Paul, I assume you haven't done a ton of podcasts either, then.

Speaker 9 (02:45:31):
No, this is my first one. Actually.

Speaker 12 (02:45:34):
Wow, That's why I said he's hiding Paul Doug because
I'm like, okay, So he's had classic encounters seen one
thirty feet from the broad daylight. He's witnessed everything that
everyone and.

Speaker 4 (02:45:46):
You saw what happened. He's long overdue, but then.

Speaker 12 (02:45:49):
He's witnessed everything and it shows and everything to say,
I had tree knocks and whistles, and he's seen them.
They've been twenty foot. He's playing catch with them across
the pond. Okay, like he got orbs through one window.
Where have you been, Paul? Like, hello, welcome to the community.

Speaker 11 (02:46:10):
And your pictures, your photos are amazing.

Speaker 12 (02:46:13):
That those are.

Speaker 11 (02:46:15):
Those are those are really pictures.

Speaker 4 (02:46:18):
So by next week Paul will be at big reconferences speaking.
He'll be like the hottest podcast commodity. You've been unleashed the.

Speaker 12 (02:46:29):
Slot for you to go to the New York conference.

Speaker 9 (02:46:31):
Oh god, yes, Doug pays my ticket. Sure, you know. Wow,
We with my with my research partner Jessica, a couple
of years ago we found we it's you know, I
learned this from Doug about finding hotspots and then keeping
yourself there. And we found a hot spot on another

(02:46:54):
river excellent, just had some really good things happen there.
And if we go one hundred yards this way, one
hundred yards that way, nothing But we were there one night.
We're sitting it was a smaller river, the water was low.
We're sitting right by the bank, kind of on the
sandbar there, and we had brought a bag. I think

(02:47:21):
I got it from Cup Foods. I bought chicken, that
pre cooked chicken, and I kept it in the plastic
and then I took some other parts of it and
I had late I put it out, so it was
hanging on the bag. Tied the bag to a tree
behind us, maybe about ten feet and we're sitting there

(02:47:45):
and then my friend she or my partner, she nuds me.
She goes, it's behind us, and I didn't hear it.
And we waited and we waited, and we waited to
hear this loud noise going through plastic and stuff. And
then when we decided to turn on it and go

(02:48:06):
after it, I could see the weeds that they were
moving like this went up over this little knoll and
it was gone. The squatch was gone, and it had
taken that plastic bag that I tied to this tree,

(02:48:26):
and then it completely untied it. It didn't break it,
it didn't snap it, and all that food and the
plastic was gone. And we waited a little while longer.
We're just sitting there watching the river from the activity
across the river, and just like that, two rocks about
the size of baseballs flew right over our heads and

(02:48:50):
they hit about five feet in front of us in
the water. Something something was trying to tell us they
were there. Yeah, say, I told my friend. I said,
my god, I'm glad you're accurate. Because of one of
those rocks that hits in the head, we might not
be here. And it threw, it came right over. Just

(02:49:14):
we saw them come over and then splash, and it's
just beyond belief. How best Asquats did that without hitting us.

Speaker 4 (02:49:24):
So what drives you? What do you after? What's your
ultimate game?

Speaker 9 (02:49:27):
Paul good question. I love the woods. I just love
being out in the woods. I love hiking. It's my
happy place. It feels good.

Speaker 12 (02:49:40):
I just like it.

Speaker 9 (02:49:41):
I just like being out in the woods. And I've
learned over the years, you know, just going out where
I'm like maybe ten or something for ten to fifteen
minutes and I'll just stop and say, Paul, stop it.
Just relax and enjoy your day.

Speaker 12 (02:49:57):
And I do that.

Speaker 9 (02:49:58):
I just go out and I don't care if I
don't see nothing. I don't hear anything, no subtle structures
or big structures. That's fine. I had a good time.
I saw was able to see the woods where most
people don't get ever to see, to go out and
do stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:50:15):
So do you have a goal? Though squatch mombles questions
in line. You know, what are you hoping to uncover?
I mean, would you like to get I noticed you
don't normally like collect air.

Speaker 18 (02:50:31):
You have done some footprints. I haven't found in here now,
but you you have gotten footprints yep. Not many, No,
not many, but you have found some, yep.

Speaker 4 (02:50:41):
And are quite interesting. I don't know if they're bigfoot.

Speaker 12 (02:50:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:50:47):
It's been so many years since we've really talked deeply, Jeff,
can you find his.

Speaker 9 (02:50:57):
I guess, Doug, your question like that or the person
who was asking online, was that I want to see
its face.

Speaker 12 (02:51:06):
Now.

Speaker 9 (02:51:07):
I want to be close enough to see its face.
It's a personal journey, it's a personal Yeah, I would
really like to see its face.

Speaker 4 (02:51:15):
Yeah's going to be a stretch.

Speaker 11 (02:51:17):
I'm sorry, Doug. What did you want me to find
the footprint casts?

Speaker 9 (02:51:20):
It's not They're pretty easy, right.

Speaker 12 (02:51:22):
But that's the one common pattern no matter what any experiencer,
especially ones like yourselves, where they've chosen to show themselves
to you because they're obviously they're they're comfortable enough to
do so, but not comfortable enough for you to see
their face. And the ones that similar individuals like yourself,
that have had regular experience with them, let's say, and

(02:51:45):
have seen many, you know, twenty thirty of them, and
they're on their properties and stuff. They don't look them
in the eye right when they do notice that they're
able to see their face, their notion internally, it's like
something tells them, look down.

Speaker 9 (02:52:04):
Right, look away, don't look him in the eyes.

Speaker 12 (02:52:06):
Don't look him in the eye.

Speaker 9 (02:52:07):
You can make them mad well.

Speaker 12 (02:52:09):
And and you know, these these I guess they're researchers,
but they're not. They're they're habituators really, because they're on
their property and everything else. But they say it's a
it's almost like a they were told not to look
them in the eyes, but not told to not look
them in the eyes. Right, so with and but there's
lots and lots of cases like similar to yourself, where

(02:52:31):
Doug had a similar experience where he saw it from
the back, from the side, from you know, but never
just standing there looking at you. You know, that doesn't
happen very often. So that's wild.

Speaker 4 (02:52:43):
Can we talk about But Tennessee pointed out a very
unique feature which I noticed too, and I kept thinking
it like it lost one of its digits in prospite.
But look at the right foot it has six to.

Speaker 11 (02:53:02):
Are you sure that isn't just a I don't know.
It looks like five to me. It looks like it
looks like five to me.

Speaker 4 (02:53:09):
Just well, look at the at the edge of the
the foot, it follows up to one and then there's
an extra one there, which it's just inter I don't
know job whether the creature actually had six toes, but
it's highly possible. I've seen other weird you know, three toed,

(02:53:29):
four toed, because they're probably in an inbreeding situation.

Speaker 12 (02:53:35):
I don't know if it's not so much as I'm
surprised they have any toes. They're running around the woods
that you've been in the woods. It's crazy and to
not lose a toe when you're a kid running climbing trees,
jumping from tree to tree, doing what they can do.
How do you keep any of your digits? It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:53:53):
Well, I don't think it's a bunyan, Jeff, because they
don't wear shoes. But they're very odd looking feet. They're
just odd looking.

Speaker 9 (02:54:03):
These cast They're they're flat. There's no like, no arch.
I mean you hold them, They're just straight. They're flat.
And where they stepped, they just there's it was like there.
Their prints just ended. They were they were on the
bank by a creek. Yeah, and they were pointing towards

(02:54:24):
the creek and there was nothing else.

Speaker 4 (02:54:29):
Well, they could they could also be of course human,
because I noticed the you know, the narrow heel. Although
unless you see the actual prints, the cast don't always
tell a great story.

Speaker 12 (02:54:46):
They do when they're sixteen to twenty four into.

Speaker 4 (02:54:48):
Yeah well yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. These are human
type size tracks. Were they deep? Paul? I mean what
made you want to cast these? What was what caught
your eye?

Speaker 9 (02:55:00):
Just because I saw them, And when I'm with friends
or my kids or something or my research partner, I
very very rarely say bigfoot did this? Or Bigfoot made this.
I'll just say if somebody made it, somebody did it. Yeah,
And I saw them and I went, well, that's interesting.

(02:55:24):
So I poured I poured the casting in there, and
they're flat.

Speaker 4 (02:55:28):
What I find interesting? These are These are the things
that made me go, hmmm. One, it looks like there's
a very very long toenail on the on the big toe.
That left an impression.

Speaker 18 (02:55:41):
Mm hmmm, very long.

Speaker 4 (02:55:44):
Like I don't think that some dude or kid would
have a toenail that long. Maybe you can zoom in
a little, Jeff.

Speaker 12 (02:55:54):
Do you have Is this something that you actively look for, also, Paul,
when you're doing the structures and stuff like that, Like
you saw that one, did you go back the next day,
week or something and look for tracks or anything like that?

Speaker 9 (02:56:06):
Sometimes I do it. We've had a lot of rain
this year in Minnesota and southern Minnesota. Yes, but people
don't believe it. It's the ground around here is hard.
It is hard to there's I'm just joking, but this
there's spots an elephant can walk on you and know it. Yeah,

(02:56:27):
it's just so darn hard.

Speaker 12 (02:56:29):
If it's if it's anything like north of view, the
boundary waters. It's all rock too.

Speaker 4 (02:56:34):
Yeah, there, it's all rock.

Speaker 12 (02:56:35):
It's yeah, moss and or moss over rock. Yeah, and
pine needles everywhere. So there's that blanket of you know,
so it's exceptionally hard to get any kind of print.
Have you come across tracks though that you feel might
have been a track that was bigger fifteen into sixteen twenty?

Speaker 9 (02:56:54):
Oh yeah, yep, I sent uh. I don't know if
it was too late to send it in. I've got
a couple of winter taken in the winter a couple
of years ago of a bigfoot track line going through
the snow where where we were at. It was at night,

(02:57:15):
it was late. All we had was the flashlights and
they're there. It is right there, and that track line
basically went straight. Oh wow, it could go And I'm
not kidding you. The snow right there was waist deep
on me. And you can see the little line up

(02:57:36):
there towards the top of the picture crossing it. That's
an actual deer trail where the deer are walking. Yeah,
and it's tiny compared to what was right there.

Speaker 12 (02:57:47):
No, I mean they looked massive, they looked thing.

Speaker 9 (02:57:51):
Whatever was there was it was hoofing it. It was
really going good.

Speaker 12 (02:57:58):
That it's something else and you could see it's not.
They're in a row. You know that's another pattern. Yeah, right,
like yep, doctor Meldrum's work. That's quintessential right there, that
he'd look at that picture and go, wow, that's very
interesting a lot lot. Did you get close enough to
see how far apart they were, like it was a

(02:58:19):
big stride or no, it was. It was than an
average human would have been.

Speaker 9 (02:58:26):
I would I would say they were at least six
feet from heel to heel or toe to toe.

Speaker 12 (02:58:32):
And you're familiar, obviously being from that neck of the
woods with snowshoe tracks and stuff. That wasn't no, no, no.
What strikes me here too, is with snowshoes and stuff,
which I do a lot of, it is there would
be tons of drag.

Speaker 9 (02:58:44):
There's no drag. They were not snow shoes are steps?

Speaker 12 (02:58:50):
Yeah, that's wild. You know. David's again, who is now
a resident expert in forensics, UH is asking individuals like yourself, Paul,
before you well, I don't know if you can do it,
before you cast the print. He feels that they're forensics

(02:59:11):
and what's going to move the ball forward from a
science perspective, the data is that they leave in their footprints.
People aren't taking samples of the dirt, and that there
could be follicles, right because apparently humans shed their skin
every thirty days is something ridiculous. We don't know what

(02:59:34):
sasquatch is. He's doing studies on bears right now, which
they shed it a lot less frequent. But he's saying,
you know it, wouldn't it be great if some of
these researchers actually took some samples of the dirt and
stuff of the footprint because there could be hair, follicles,
there could be all kinds of DNA that we're missing
out on before you cast it.

Speaker 9 (02:59:53):
Doug mentioned that to me a couple of years ago.

Speaker 12 (02:59:56):
Okay, great, yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:59:57):
Well then get up some of the analys all. You know,
I learned a lot from Doug. You know, I have
had to self teach my self, teach myself and then
you know, Doug would ask me about the dermal ridges.
I go Dermo ridges and then he would explain it
to me, and now it's it's no problem.

Speaker 12 (03:00:17):
It's like okay, yeah, yep, yeah yeah, And I and
put him onto David Zigan's I forget what his sasquad,
what his pages, but because he has.

Speaker 4 (03:00:28):
A book, Bigfoot Forensics.

Speaker 12 (03:00:32):
Yeah, and he has a step by step how you
should you know he looked at it as like a
crime scene because that's what he has for a living.
And not only that, it's oh, I lost my train
of thought. It's okay, but I mean that we're dermal
ridges and stuff. Oh the type of casting material you
use is now apparently the new thing is the dental

(03:00:53):
dental I forget the Yeah, Doug would know all of that.
I mean, Doug, you're a blessing man. Can I just
say that you are a blessing to this industry or
to this field. It's just crazy. You've forgotten more than
most people can learn. So to guys like Paul Rate
down the spectrum, to an unsuspecting guy that had nothing

(03:01:14):
to do or want anything to do with this subject,
you're a blessing. So and the fact that I say
that in more ways because everyone in this everyone in
this community at large, bar none, can pick up the
phone at any point of the day and text Doug

(03:01:34):
and yeah, you may not get a response or anything
out and watch his phone's gonna blow up now. But
you can send him an email and you know, whether
it's a month, you will get an email back. Like
he's accessible, and he's always made himself willing to help,
you know, especially individuals like me, was traumatizing. That's why
when we never touched on it. I was going to

(03:01:55):
ask you a couple of questions about after you had
that first sighting, which is worth shaking, raind blowing. Even
though you had been years out there seeing structures, you
were on the big footpath doing, you know, you just
hadn't had the sighting, so it was in your DNA
so to speak, that you know, hey, it had to
cross your mind more than once. What if I do

(03:02:16):
run face to face into one of these things and
you know what your reaction is going to be. Where
when it happens to someone that's unsuspecting, it melts your brain.
The next day you think you're you had a nervous
like me. I thought I had a psychotic mental breakdown.
I went and saw four psychiatrists in Toronto. The next week.
We packed up and left the next morning our cabin.

(03:02:37):
I didn't go back like it just you know, melt
part time shifting, right, But for you, how long did
it take you to get over or was there Like
you said, you sat there for a half hour, But
I mean after that, that's pretty traumatic. Were you hesitant
to get back into the woods. No, No, I want

(03:02:59):
to make you want to go back even more.

Speaker 4 (03:03:01):
I was hungry.

Speaker 9 (03:03:01):
I wanted more. Yeah, I've never I've never, you know,
And I'm not making fun of this, but you'll hear
on show if or something or report that's given online
or something like that, and God bless them, but they
say it was they had a traumatic encounter with bigfoot.

(03:03:23):
And then I tried to read about it and see
what it is, to see what the traumatic part was.
But it might just be them themselves where it felt traumatic,
and that's fine. I didn't. I did not feel threatened.
I'm not bragging, but I think I would if I

(03:03:45):
had a sad squad's come back to me. I don't
think I would just stand there let it take me.
I would try to do something to let it know.
I'm not easy to kill. You know what would do?
I don't. I'm not bragging because I don't want to have.

Speaker 12 (03:04:02):
No, you're a unique individual, because you're not.

Speaker 9 (03:04:06):
If I just would love, Like I've told people, I said,
I would just love to find some property somewhere just
sitting down during the day and just sit back against
tree or whatever and be able to witness a sasquatch
family with juveniles.

Speaker 12 (03:04:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (03:04:24):
I don't even know if I would take pictures. I
would just sit there and enjoy it. And I don't
think I would tell anybody except for maybe Doug, but
I would just love that just to enjoy it. To
know you're safe with me. I'm not going to hurt you.

Speaker 12 (03:04:38):
Well, I can tell you something, Paul. Out of the
thousands and I mean thousands of encounters that I've watched
now since in the last year here, since what happened
to me, I needed to find some answers because there
were some specifics of what happened to me that I
was looking for. Just find out if it's ever happened
to anyone else and everything else, and now in the thousands,
if anyone is going to have that experience, trust me,

(03:05:01):
my money is on you because you're doing everything right,
because it's you are a weird breed of individual in
this field. Let's just say, where you're not carrying a gun,
you're not having your camera on your hip ready to
go or you're not trying to get pictures of them.
Like it's almost like you're in a perfect scenario of

(03:05:23):
habituating them because they're used to you, because you're going
back to the same areas, lots of different areas, but
the same areas, and you know that there's plans there
because you could see the evidence, the structures, the whistles,
the tree knocks, the rock coin that you know that
they're now becoming used to you. They know when you're
coming in and out. Personally, I think that they're in
your house, but let's not go back there. The thing

(03:05:47):
is is if the experience what you described could happen,
it could happen to someone like you. That's the thing
and and and that's why I said do you talk
to them? Because that is all a pattern. And it's
also very very well documented that if you are in
the situation that you are now in where it's not

(03:06:07):
just you know, six months fly by the seat of
you pants, I'm just going to a different area every
weekend and banging on trees to see if I can
get a response. You know, they are familiar with you.
You are in the best situation to be able to
sit down, pull out of print butter sandwich and and
and maybe witness them swim by you or something, you know,

(03:06:29):
because clearly that one clan, it sounded like an alpha
male personally from the size and that's just the pure
size that you described who was swimming, No, the one
that you saw from the battle Arnold, Arnold.

Speaker 11 (03:06:48):
There you go.

Speaker 12 (03:06:49):
Yes, clearly that clan you would have a chance to
to probably see more, you know. And and over the
years you still seem very young, so I mean, there's
very good chance of that, I would think.

Speaker 4 (03:07:03):
Yeah, Paul's only twenty twos. Okay, so high Windell. I'm
glad you joined us, Like does he you more? There
was a question that I want to and you've kind
of answered it. He may have joined a little late.
But do you think there's a paranormal aspect to the bigfoot? Ministery.

Speaker 18 (03:07:25):
It's kind of a yes or no question, yes, okay,
yeahs yes, yeah, you know.

Speaker 12 (03:07:32):
It's it's uncanny how many times I heard them glide
were the way you described that one going into the bush,
and you said it made no noise, almost like it
wasn't touching the ground when it was walking.

Speaker 9 (03:07:43):
It just kind of like it was on a like a.

Speaker 12 (03:07:47):
It was just like this.

Speaker 9 (03:07:49):
It wasn't thumping and you know, it was just moving
straight ahead like it was on a conveyor belt or something.

Speaker 4 (03:07:57):
It was really cool.

Speaker 12 (03:07:58):
Yeah, that is cool, And I've heard that. That's another pattern.
Like just as many stories or encounters that you've heard
that you can hear them coming from a mile away
the something that did they have a weight under their feet.
I've heard just as many. And if I had a
quarter for every time I heard that right there where
it was almost like they were gliding, I could buy
untold from Doug. I had a quarter for every time

(03:08:19):
I heard that.

Speaker 9 (03:08:20):
Yeah, that can see I've seen movement out there.

Speaker 12 (03:08:26):
That's just.

Speaker 9 (03:08:28):
It's it's just impossible for an Olympic sprinter to do,
you know, or you see that this something it's blurry,
but it's definitely something there and it's down to the
ground like it's running off hours but you don't see
the movement like this. You see something goingsh and it

(03:08:52):
goes into the woods and you don't hear anything. I'm like,
what was that?

Speaker 12 (03:09:00):
You know what?

Speaker 9 (03:09:01):
Some kind of entity or it's it is. It is different.

Speaker 4 (03:09:06):
By the way I want to cut in this podcast
will end tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (03:09:09):
AT.

Speaker 4 (03:09:12):
You guys are killing me. No, no, no, no, it's fine.
I do want to I do want to wind it up. Paul.
We got to get you back on again.

Speaker 9 (03:09:23):
You bet for sure.

Speaker 4 (03:09:25):
You now are not a podcast virgin. You're no longer
a podcast virgin. You know what to do, you know
what to do now. Actually you've been. It's been great.
Your audio, your picture, everything's good.

Speaker 12 (03:09:40):
I have two dozen more questions for you, Paul.

Speaker 11 (03:09:45):
At this.

Speaker 12 (03:09:47):
Read dog's face.

Speaker 4 (03:09:48):
I think, I think, I think, yeah, I think I.

Speaker 12 (03:09:51):
Haven't missed an episode of Jeff and Doug for the
last year, and that's because of what happened to me
and how much help he's given me. Well, I got
to tell you, I know when I'm I'm gonna we
appreciate AT. I'm going to drag Paul into the deep
weeds of the and I could go, okay, okay, but
there are questions that everyone wants. You're at it.

Speaker 9 (03:10:13):
If anybody wants to contact me, go to my Facebook page.

Speaker 4 (03:10:17):
Okay, great, he is the only Paul Goy in the world.

Speaker 9 (03:10:22):
Yea, Literally, what's weird about this tonight? I notified a
lot of people that it's going to be an untold
radio night and they were excited. And then all of
a sudden, for the first time ever, my computer goals
completely black and it still is. It won't turn on.

Speaker 4 (03:10:43):
That's weird.

Speaker 9 (03:10:45):
That's weird.

Speaker 11 (03:10:46):
I blame Doug for that. Doug is a gift for
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 12 (03:10:51):
So that doesn't surprise at all, though, and that shouldn't
surprise you. He has had a stack of shoes moved
from the closet in one room and piled in the
room next. You think that you can't mess with your life.

Speaker 4 (03:11:03):
I was on the phone the other night with my daughter,
as is a true story, and it's like two three
in the morning, and we're just talking Bigfoot, and all
of a sudden, we both hear this phone call is
being recorded, and we both were like, well, she was
pretty freaked out. I'm like what I said, Well, it's

(03:11:24):
just for fun. Change the topic to family matters. So
we did, and then we hear this weird echo we beep,
and then I then I said, well, let's wait a
while and we'll talk about Bigfoot again. And then we
do it again, and we hear this call is now
being recorded.

Speaker 12 (03:11:39):
And I would assume if I was you, Doug, I
would have assumed years ago that every call everything recorded
by regularly if you go on a trip, they're flying by,
waving every stuff.

Speaker 4 (03:11:51):
It's like, I don't know, I just know it was
a little odd. You know, it could have been a
phone malfunction or who knows, but it was a little weird, right.

Speaker 12 (03:12:02):
You remember my very first question a year ago when
after what happened to me and I found your show.
My very first question in chat was after watching a
couple of episodes of your show, I was like, has
anyone ever vetted Doug is he? Could he be a
government show usurper that's in taking over this whole? And

(03:12:22):
then you know that that joke landed like a lead balloon.
But I would I would assume that every one of
your calls is being recorded.

Speaker 4 (03:12:31):
For Yeah, who knows, you know, we don't know, we
don't know the interest in government he has in this topic.

Speaker 12 (03:12:40):
Not like you're pushing kilos of stuff that's not that's
a legal substruct an exactly, you're actually helping people with
their mental health. To be honest, I want to.

Speaker 4 (03:12:51):
All I want to do is raise the bar of
the mystery a little bit and do my part and get,
you know, boost people's curiosity. He is kind of a
great thing and helps everybody. But I do know this,
but we're all going to turn into Pumpkins's giving me
the look like like my bladder's ready to explode.

Speaker 12 (03:13:14):
Oh your the name of the page, Paul, what's the
name of your page on Facebook?

Speaker 9 (03:13:20):
It's just still okay.

Speaker 4 (03:13:22):
I gotta I mentioned this because Paul is the most
humble he he You know, you would think by now
he'd have like this glamorous Facebook page and all these
big wood pictures and great. No, No, he's just always
he does this for himself.

Speaker 12 (03:13:40):
He's doing it for all of the right reasons, the
right he likes to be out in the wilderness. And
if everyone was more like Paul, what a planet we'd have.
Oh my gosh. And you're it doesn't hurt that you're
in a beautiful part of the world to do it too.
Up there, we have woods like that. So that's every
animal that you can find in North Americas can be
found in Minnesota pretty much other than the ones you

(03:14:00):
don't want what you're in the swamps of Florida. Hello, Wendel.

Speaker 4 (03:14:04):
Paul is just a very, very humble man who does
what he does. So we really do very much all
for sharing all of your all of your pictures, and
god knows, I doubt we even got through all of
them right now.

Speaker 12 (03:14:18):
You I got more.

Speaker 9 (03:14:21):
One more question I've learned I've learned from Doug over
the years. I still do it. I never just s
It's a habit when I when I find a structure,
sometimes I'll wait for the sun to get in the
right spot for that glow or the picture. But I'll
use him take anywhere from three to five shots of

(03:14:43):
one structure from different angles.

Speaker 12 (03:14:45):
We got to get that catalog. Is that on your Facebook?
Most of those.

Speaker 4 (03:14:49):
I've been trying to talk him into posting everything.

Speaker 12 (03:14:54):
Of those structures because it is going to come out
that there are patterns all over this.

Speaker 4 (03:14:59):
David, No, I didn't say. Did I say that? No,
I didn't.

Speaker 12 (03:15:03):
You're on it. I get it.

Speaker 4 (03:15:05):
I didn't say that. Could you your ex? Would you
be willing to help Paul get it the website up?

Speaker 12 (03:15:12):
Yeah? Absolutely, I can have it done by then.

Speaker 9 (03:15:14):
Doug. That's that's nice of you to say that, But
I was gonna come up and have you help me someday.

Speaker 12 (03:15:20):
I can I can well, okay, Doug, you help them.
But either way, either way we can definitely get that
done stuff I think public yeah, I would love like,
you know, just for the from the from a science perspective.
I know you're doing it for the love of it anyway,
You're going to do it no matter what. But there
are so many other people that can learn from what

(03:15:41):
you're doing, like you know, and your temperament and everything else,
and how you're doing it is just as important of
what you're doing right and and with Doug's connections with
a few of the right people, with Dave Ellis for
the sound and David Zgan with the friends that you
know a few of the right people, you're doing it anyway,
we could be pushing the ball a little bit faster forward,

(03:16:02):
like we're not in Caveman years in this field anymore.
Because I had to go through lots of like I said,
lots of videos and stuff. My question to you was
do you actively research this topic, like do you go
watch podcasts yourself just to get familiar or do you
just solely.

Speaker 9 (03:16:22):
Done I have over the years, I've watched I've watched stuff,
and I know you shouldn't assume, but you see people
online who are whatever ages, they're acting just super tough. Yeah,
and they're bragging that they get it. They got a
three foot knife on the side side of their leg. Yeah,
and I'm like, I'll just shake my hand. Go dude,

(03:16:43):
you're in your backyard.

Speaker 12 (03:16:45):
Yeah, you know. Well, and you wonder why they don't
get any encounters, right, you know, that's the thing. And
it's unfortunate because the people that are really really super interested,
the most interested, like guys like Doug that have been
in it for years and everything else, they want nothing
more than to just get this out out it like,

(03:17:05):
you know, like it's a real thing people, Let's get
it outed and move on with the science of it now,
which unfortunately cameras aren't going to do it. They're just
not Sasquatch aren't going to allow that to happen. They
just they're just too smart in the woods man, it's
never going to happen. You're not going to get a
clear picture. You had one standing in the broad daylight,

(03:17:26):
three o'clock in the afternoon, thirty feet in front of you,
like you know, you're and you know, and you're not
unlike the people that have them run across in front
of their car and everything else that you're never going
to have time to fumble to get your phone up
and get that, you know. And these new phones, as
great as they are in the four K and ak,
the problem is they have auto focus on them. So

(03:17:47):
when you see something in the woods and you go
to take a picture of it, your phone auto focuses
on something closer to you or whatever. The first thing
is that it attaches itself to. You don't have that
kind of time to get a picture of one of
these things, and the time you zoom out and zoom
back in on it, it's gone. So these phones are
as much as great as the pictures they do take

(03:18:07):
when you are steady and zoomed in, which you're never
going to be you know that it's you know, so
that's not going to be it. But I do believe
that there's slots of other ways. DNA, you know that
that that that is going to happen.

Speaker 4 (03:18:23):
Me and Vera X are going to do a twenty
four hour podcast marathon.

Speaker 12 (03:18:29):
All right, sorry, Doug, We're gonna get in the world.
It happens when I get wound up shaking so nervous.
I've been shaking.

Speaker 11 (03:18:38):
Good at this year.

Speaker 12 (03:18:39):
We're just gonna start earlier, that's all.

Speaker 4 (03:18:41):
Yeah, but I think we should we should try to
do it twenty four hours.

Speaker 12 (03:18:44):
I would have no problem doing that, no problem in fact.
I and also I still think that we should do
a live checking from the cabin.

Speaker 4 (03:18:54):
Yeah, please, you let me know and we'll get you
on live at night by the camp fire or whatever.

Speaker 12 (03:19:00):
Yeah, we'll bring I'm only there. I'm only there for
I'm going to go for this ten days the starting Monday,
and then I'm gonna go back at the mid October
to close it up.

Speaker 4 (03:19:11):
Oh sweet, all right, so we're gonna get you on
live at the cabin. Paul is going to do the same,
right Paul, Yep, when you're off the woods, he's gonna
do walk live reports. Yes, I've got some other guys
that want to do live reports, and I think it's
going to be amazing. Yeah, well let's start doing that.

Speaker 12 (03:19:29):
Imagine being in the woods with Paul right now and
and him being standing at the structure.

Speaker 4 (03:19:34):
Yeah, I might.

Speaker 9 (03:19:36):
I might be going out in twenty minutes.

Speaker 11 (03:19:38):
Yeah, good for you.

Speaker 12 (03:19:40):
That was a question we didn't ask, like, is there
do you go it more? At night or more in
the day.

Speaker 2 (03:19:45):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (03:19:46):
Both?

Speaker 12 (03:19:46):
Both? Okay, both?

Speaker 9 (03:19:48):
Yeah, sometimes I'll do and over the years, I've gone
out just in the morning before the sun comes up,
and I'm home by eleven am. Sometimes I'll go at night.
I'll go out till eleven pm. If nothing's happened, I

(03:20:09):
come home and I go back out in the morning
at four am. Did you check a place out as
the sun rises? But I do both of them.

Speaker 12 (03:20:17):
You're checking all the boxes because you're going at the
times that they're the most active, too. That's wild. Yeah,
that's why I take something else.

Speaker 9 (03:20:25):
That's why I take a lot of pictures of structures,
because they don't move.

Speaker 12 (03:20:31):
Well. We could do easily a couple of shows with Paul,
for sure.

Speaker 14 (03:20:35):
I have.

Speaker 12 (03:20:36):
I have a lot of questions, like we haven't even got.

Speaker 4 (03:20:38):
Hey, Jeff, can you mute vr X.

Speaker 3 (03:20:43):
Paul.

Speaker 12 (03:20:43):
It is a pleasure.

Speaker 9 (03:20:45):
Thank you very much, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (03:20:50):
Okay, stan Dight Wisdom of the Week.

Speaker 11 (03:20:55):
Please, here we go, we'll be right back. Don't go anywhere.

Speaker 6 (03:21:00):
It's now time for untold Radio AM Wisdom of the Week.
Remember that growth doesn't announce itself with loud applause. It
shows up quietly, and the bad choices you no longer make,
and the good choices you steer towards.

Speaker 12 (03:21:14):
Good night. We hope to see you all next week.

Speaker 6 (03:21:19):
If you like the show tonight, please consider giving us
the thumbs up, leaving a nice comment, and most of all,
subscribing and hitting the bell so you will be notified
when a new episode is dropping. Also, please share this episode.
Now back to Doug and Jeff for our rap.

Speaker 4 (03:21:38):
And are our co host you x and Paul Duffyow?
That was fun? No, you guys, Paul, you were amazing. No,
I'm not joking. You were amazing.

Speaker 9 (03:21:51):
I loved it.

Speaker 4 (03:21:57):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (03:21:59):
Next time my laptop will work.

Speaker 4 (03:22:02):
It might not knowing me, it might not.

Speaker 11 (03:22:05):
I have a way.

Speaker 9 (03:22:08):
Yeah, I appreciate you. I appreciate your patience and getting
me on.

Speaker 12 (03:22:11):
I really know.

Speaker 4 (03:22:13):
But this way my dad taught me bad beginnings I
was equal great endings. So so with that, we will
be back next week with another great guest and hopefully
not Verax or Paul. No, I'm joking, but uh, I

(03:22:34):
don't even know who we have on next week?

Speaker 11 (03:22:36):
Do you remember?

Speaker 4 (03:22:37):
I don't remember either. That's terrible. We're terrible we never
announced that we're having one, but it'll be somebody good.
But thank you so much everybody in chat Man. You
guys were amazing tonight, thanking all the moderators and especially
Minci whought five membership STIM's old radio network. And Kenny

(03:22:58):
has did the same thing, and he asked, guys are
just oh my.

Speaker 12 (03:23:02):
God, the first time they've done it many times. They're
helping huge, And he made a comment and I am
gonna miss it because everyone was saying goodbye their American Sasquatch.
A gentleman passed away, and I went to, oh, yes,
it's from Squatch America.

Speaker 4 (03:23:23):
I did not know him. Sure I would have met
him at some point, but yeah, it's.

Speaker 12 (03:23:29):
But apparently he was well known in in the in
the field. So rest in peace to those you know,
God bless all right, this was funny. Thanks everybody again.

Speaker 9 (03:23:41):
If anyone wants to contact and get a hold of
me through Facebook and we'll meet up and go out
and research and you'll regret it, all right.

Speaker 12 (03:23:49):
Good take care of one.

Speaker 8 (03:23:56):
Call you up.

Speaker 1 (03:23:59):
Im bothered fud dreams and feeling all day. You give
me comfort, say just give it some time.

Speaker 7 (03:24:06):
By the end of our talk, and feeling just fine
jure hour always no will we be long.

Speaker 1 (03:24:18):
The sing no ordinarysm We got go in all.

Speaker 8 (03:24:27):
I figure up in the fifteen hour fard we head
on down the road till we care.

Speaker 1 (03:24:33):
For just being in the sun and the wind.

Speaker 8 (03:24:38):
Give the lacious dop call able head on over again.

Speaker 1 (03:24:42):
Everybody has gensey where we be long.

Speaker 8 (03:24:50):
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end of the world together for reverswall in our way.

Speaker 1 (03:25:02):
If ever you should be endown in our way.

Speaker 3 (03:25:06):
They never asked compose a part.

Speaker 1 (03:25:09):
In allway all the time.

Speaker 8 (03:25:13):
I would be together every day, but I know it
never would be less straight up on.

Speaker 1 (03:25:22):
My way back home you gay at the end of

(03:25:44):
the world together forever is well our way. It never
you should be endowed a comparate. They never compose a
part in norway, but the about the world together forever
it's fond in norway.

Speaker 8 (03:26:05):
It never you should be in down and always they
never puts a part in our way.

Speaker 1 (03:26:14):
All the time when.

Speaker 8 (03:26:15):
We beg together, we never retain a hand those they
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Speaker 1 (03:26:22):
Pay and all by noway back go to you work
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