Untold Radio AM #266 Discovering Hairy Giants In Michigan with James Lady

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Shhh.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Our guest tonight James Lee, looking back on life that
you leave him then.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Resting hole in the crowd, stick around through the.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Crane to feeding, go the fire, you'll be dancing around.

Speaker 5 (00:23):
Oh we hear is the sound of the.

Speaker 6 (00:25):
Treat him and no one cares where he's coming from.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
My ears is still ring and feeding. I guess we
are new from the start.

Speaker 7 (00:46):
The days.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
You're one of these days will be the world.

Speaker 7 (01:00):
Look at rincers.

Speaker 8 (01:03):
Go.

Speaker 7 (01:04):
It's sass, my.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Cot leading the fuse of the ashes, the spirits lad

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and down the house.

Speaker 9 (01:37):
We're life from the Untold Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's Untold Radio Am with Monster Quest producer host Doug
Hicheck and co host Jeff Pirella Jr.

Speaker 6 (01:47):
Untold Radio Am.

Speaker 9 (01:48):
Is going live right now.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
This show is for entertainment purposes only. Yep, that's the ticket.

Speaker 9 (02:11):
Now Here are your Untold Radio Am.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Hosts Doug Hicheck and Jeff Prella Jr.

Speaker 6 (02:21):
Hello everyone, Hey, Jeff and everybody little late. Should we
tell what happened this time?

Speaker 8 (02:32):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:33):
No, come on, okay, Jeff, Jeff, watch link so I
could watch it, but I couldn't.

Speaker 10 (02:42):
Don't you want to watch the show?

Speaker 6 (02:43):
I wanted to watch it, but I wanted to be
in it.

Speaker 10 (02:49):
That's kind of important.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
I know you had a rough day once't you tell
me what stum? You started a new position.

Speaker 10 (02:56):
Yeah, I start a new job. I'm working for were,
a big auto dealer. So yeah, I've been learning lots
and did some training and uh yeah, a lot. But
it's going it's going good. It's going great, just great company.
You just have a lot to learn and it's a
lot of technical stuff that I'm learning, so getting there,

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but it's stressful, stressful, and it's been taking a lot
of time. So I barely had enough time to get
the show ready, but I got it ready. We're good good.

Speaker 6 (03:26):
Anyhow. Uh, we are glad you joined us. Everybody. We
have a whole bunch of like crazy audio pictures videos
from our upcoming guest, James Lady.

Speaker 10 (03:41):
Got a lot of stuff from him. Yeah, yeah, a
lot of cool.

Speaker 6 (03:43):
Stuff and he has uh been a researcher for a
long time. He's with the Michigan Aboriginal Project and so
he'll have a lot this year. And then we've got
clip picks, so we've got fun trivia. Uh we haven't
advanced an advanced tech breakdown we do. Actually it is

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kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, it's advanced. If you're not
really into this kind of technology, you may not want
to watch. And the weather, the weather is getting cold.
What is it like seven months now until spring?

Speaker 10 (04:27):
Yeahfull hopefully. I have a motorcycle by that that runs.

Speaker 6 (04:31):
That's a whole nother story we got to get into. Yeah,
I'm willing to take it Thursday if you want.

Speaker 10 (04:38):
We'll see, we'll figure that out or this.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
Weekend or whatever. But just bring it there and just
drop it off.

Speaker 10 (04:46):
I'm kind of past my abilities to figure it out,
and I've tried everything, so the pros.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
Anyhow, But let's get under way here. We've gotten through that.
Let's get into so, uh, fast and weird news or
weird and fast news, weird and fast. It's weird and fast,
all right.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
It's time for weird and fast news.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
Well, those the screaming lips. Is that how you felt
when you put that little part on there and you
turn the key.

Speaker 11 (05:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (05:29):
Uh, there was some O R rated language, all right,
adult language.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
All right? First st up in our weird and fast news.

Speaker 10 (05:39):
This weird fast or weird and fast?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Is it?

Speaker 6 (05:43):
Yeah? Some I get mixed up I'm just selected. So
apparently there was a mystery of a squirrel, but they
thought it was a rat that left a footprint in concrete,
and there were scientists trying to figure out, Oh my god,
we got some really big rats going on. So researchers

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analyzed a viral footprint impression in Chicago that they thought
it was a rat, and now they say it's more
likely was an Eastern gray squirrel that fell into the
wet concrete. So there you go.

Speaker 10 (06:20):
Interesting, that's just a big story. Yeah, weird and fast.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
It's stealthy fast. And then and then our number two
story is apparently an insect that was on the brink
comes back, and this is called the do you want
to say it? Jeffess starts.

Speaker 10 (06:44):
Catisfly.

Speaker 8 (06:45):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
I could have done the catisfly. You should have just
done the first part and left the last part for me.
But you hogged it all, Jears.

Speaker 10 (06:53):
I'm helping.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
Okay. Apparently this bug was long thought to be extinct
in Britain, uh since twenty sixteen. Now, how do you
declare something an insect extinct? I mean, who's who's like
counts every bug and goes, oh oh, the catis fly

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is extinct?

Speaker 10 (07:17):
What is a catas fly? Bonus points said, we know
what a catisfly? It looks like that right there.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
Yeah, that's it. So apparently it was rediscovered in Wales
and this was reported by the Sun, and you know,
you can believe everything in the Sun, right absolutely. And
then a weird sight was apparently caught by scientists and

(07:45):
they recorded this and they recorded a bat, an nocturnal bat. Well, yeah,
that's it's see the band. Hey, we don't use AI
in this show. I would never do something.

Speaker 10 (08:02):
Actual photograph of a three legged That three.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
Article is weird. You had to point that out. I noticed,
and I'm like, no one's gonna notice I didn't do
this now why okay?

Speaker 10 (08:21):
Anyhow photographer?

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Oh thanks Jeff, and where I'm crying? Okay. So apparently
they recorded this bad diving from almost like a kilometer
a kilometer one point two kilometers up and it dragged
it caught a bird, dragged it and ate it in

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mid air over a period of twenty three minutes. So
this bat caught a robin and ate it.

Speaker 10 (08:53):
You said, a third leg to hold onto the.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Yeah, And apparently then it's it's wings and felled in
the ground. The poor robin bats don't do.

Speaker 10 (09:06):
This, but it was never heard of a bad doing that.
That's pretty bizarre.

Speaker 6 (09:09):
Yeah, especially a three legged bat.

Speaker 10 (09:12):
Yeah weird.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
How do you know that's a whole leg.

Speaker 10 (09:17):
Let's not go there.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
Oh my god. Okay, next, mole rats.

Speaker 10 (09:28):
With one apparently have jobs four legs, four legs and
each morat. That's good.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
Yeah, yeah, you're counting all the.

Speaker 10 (09:33):
Legs anatomically correct rats.

Speaker 6 (09:35):
Yes, So apparently mole raps have been proven to actually
have separate, different jobs. Okay, now I witnessed this kind
of with beavers and muskrats where the muskrats and the
beavers lived together and the muskrats did all the batting
and didn't touch anything else, and the beavers did all
the walls and the sides.

Speaker 10 (09:55):
So interesting.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Rodents do things like this. So apparently this summer he
is is that new research has found that naked mole
rat colonies, these are naked individually is consistently performed tasks
like waste reammoval. We're cleaning a very specific chamber. So
they had different roles, specialized you know, one guy in

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the bathrooms, kitchen floor. Yeah, and they all have the
correct amount of legs.

Speaker 8 (10:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (10:32):
Do they pay extra for naked mole rat? Maide? I
don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:37):
And then apparently if you're like a wildlife researcher and
you have a GPS caller on your animal, there is
a new program called the Icarus program, and they are
going to be gathering all in one place, these GPS tags.

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They're going to be able to sour around one hundred
thousand different tagged wild animals globally. They're going to monitor migration, health,
disease patterns, climbate impacts, and the amount of legs.

Speaker 8 (11:12):
That they have.

Speaker 10 (11:13):
Yes, and they teach dogs that to drive apparently, yes.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
Red and porsches, and they wear goggles. Okay, I want
you to I want you to notice something. Every animal
has their tongue sticking.

Speaker 10 (11:32):
I did notice that they're either happy or or something.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
What the hell AI does weird things, doesn't it?

Speaker 10 (11:40):
Yeah? Apparently it's tongue day and that dog has two
times it has time.

Speaker 6 (11:48):
I was so beaty, work good. Oh you're killing me, Jeff, Okay,
I'll having too much. Okay, the next our article. Oh shit, this.

Speaker 10 (12:21):
We're having fun tonight. I hope everyone's having as much
fun as Doug. Okay, I won't say that funny about
this sloth Barry, I promise or will I?

Speaker 6 (12:41):
Okay, Oh you get old? Did you notice.

Speaker 10 (12:51):
You're dying? Man?

Speaker 6 (12:53):
The feeder screwed up?

Speaker 10 (12:55):
I did notice that. I wasn't gonna mention it, because
you seem rather delicate right now, But I wasn't gonn
mention it.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
Okay, I'm trying to think of something said. Okay, Oh jeez,
all right, so the apparently they put a prosthetic leg. Kay,
I was on a sloth bear. So here's the summary

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of sloth bear in India who lost Why am I laughing?
It's not funny. This isn't funny, Jeff. This sun bear
lost its hind paw. So apparently it lost it in
a snare trap and they fitted it with the first
bear prosthetic leg. There you go, all that laughing and

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that's that's it. But look how screwed up the legs are.

Speaker 10 (13:59):
Here's pretty about it though.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
Well, yeah, he's adapted. Well he's now very active.

Speaker 10 (14:04):
Oh no, I just looked ahead of the next picture.
Are you ready for this?

Speaker 6 (14:08):
Oh god?

Speaker 4 (14:09):
What?

Speaker 7 (14:10):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (14:14):
The tongue That's exactly what I was going to point out,
what the hell is with this.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
This image creator?

Speaker 10 (14:21):
Your photographer was drunk.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
Yeah, okay, next dinosaur was found with three foot neck spikes.
It was newly discovered and apparently without twenty fo long tongue,
says paleontologist uncovered a you want to go ahead.

Speaker 10 (14:40):
And say the name spiker, melis effort.

Speaker 11 (14:44):
What say that ten times and Melie ef okay, aliosaur
Dilosaur morocco.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
Good, thank you.

Speaker 10 (14:55):
That's a that's a tongue tie.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
Yeah, with too enormous too, but you see three Yeah,
it's fake news. Two enormous three foot spikes.

Speaker 10 (15:11):
Protruding from its necks. Greg, We're gonna have dug a
heart attack.

Speaker 6 (15:20):
Oh gosh.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
This was reported in Live Science News. Okay, we can
no longer use AI images.

Speaker 12 (15:36):
Probably, Well, the next one is good, but it doesn't
have a tongue, So go ahead and put the next
one up.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Apparently a scientist found a Clavelina osipende, a transparent s
squirt that looks like a skeletal panda and black barkings
resembling eyes, white rib like structures, making it very uncanny.

(16:08):
All the organs are right on this one. What the hell.

Speaker 10 (16:12):
Tongue apparently tongue. What the hell?

Speaker 6 (16:17):
Okay, that's enough of that crop. I can't, I can't breathe,
hold on. Well, that's the idea. How to make it entertaining.
While I was I was entertaining myself pretty bad. I
had a what do they call it? I had a
private party? Oh you know you just like when you

(16:39):
see someone at a bar they're dancing by themselves. Personal party.
That's what I just That's what I just had. Yes, okay,
so I want to ask everybody, do you guys want
to do I got trivia, and yes, I will be
sending something. Let's see, I keep giving away all my

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Bigfoot artifacts, have many left? Anyhow, we'll send We'll send
something cool, Okay, right on trivia prize not a prize,
not a prize. No, No, it's not a contest. It's
not a prize. It's just a generosity all right.

Speaker 10 (17:22):
It looks like we've got two options for audience trivia.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
Yes, and you can do it on Halloween Legends or
just Fall like Fall trivia everything you could ever want
to know about Fall.

Speaker 10 (17:36):
So Halloween Legends or the Fall and make what do
you guys want to Yeah, we'll be back in sixteen seconds.

Speaker 9 (17:44):
It's now time for untold Radio a m audience trivia.

Speaker 10 (17:52):
Who wants to play?

Speaker 6 (18:00):
Damn, that's a lot of question marks.

Speaker 10 (18:02):
Yeah, my big head there?

Speaker 6 (18:07):
You want you want mine?

Speaker 8 (18:08):
There?

Speaker 10 (18:08):
Yeah, that's better.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
I kind of like that. Let's see that's Jeff all right,
let's see here. What do you guys want? Halloween legends?

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Like Halloween is Halloween, Halloween.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
Is winning the James we have we have something, goes.
I want to play James, you can play.

Speaker 13 (18:30):
Yeah, let's get someone that hasn't played before. It's got
some it's never and Cayus picked Halloween too. It's I
think everybody's just Halloween legends. So yeah, that's what we're
going to do. Then it makes all that work for nothing.
I don't think you ever played before?

Speaker 6 (18:52):
Okay, so it's mens. Okay, hold on, Oh you ever
been so hungry? You burp? No, I've been doing. That's
what I've been doing. Perhaps I think I'm slap happy today.

Speaker 10 (19:09):
Sounds like it. Jeez, you need some sleep.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
I did fall asleep in my office chair, but then
I did get to bed about five for like an
hour and a half, So officially an hour and a
half sleep officially. All right, So we got minxy and
I'm not looking for the gentleman that said he was

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going to and now it's gone.

Speaker 10 (19:37):
James, it's what is it? James Noriega?

Speaker 6 (19:41):
James Noriega. Okay, you're in charge of keeping a score, Jeff,
I am hell yeah, I can't do it. Okay, I'll
get all mixed up, all right, I gotta get to
the Halloween legends. There's some cool questions here. Music all right,

(20:09):
The first question perfect level. I can just I love it.
It's got mood, all right. First question, the legend of
the jack o Lantern originated in? Which country? Was it
A Ireland, D, Scotland, C, Germany or d England? So A, B,

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C or D First was Ireland, then Scotland, then Germany
or England.

Speaker 10 (20:46):
James says Scotland and says England.

Speaker 6 (20:52):
And you guys gotta keep going because you're both wrong.
I was actually shocked by the answer. Is it Ireland, Scotland,
Germany or England?

Speaker 10 (21:08):
Well they both got it wrong. Oh yeah, it's kind
of on two more Mixy Ireland. That is correct.

Speaker 6 (21:17):
Loretta got it right, I see, okay, so we got
one from Mixy okay, all right, next uh, The Irish
folklore of stingy Jack tricked was supernatural He tricked with
supernatural beans, leading to the jackal Lanner tradition. Was it

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a banshee, a witch, the devil or a ghost? Irish
folklore stingy Jack trick was supernatural beans, leading to the
jackal Lanner tradition? Was it a banshee, a witch, the
devil or a ghost?

Speaker 10 (22:02):
Right away with the right answer, Come.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
On, James, get with the program. A lot of people
got that right, all right. The headless horseman in the
legend of the Sleepy Hollow is said to haunt which
US state? Pennsylvania, New York, Virginia or.

Speaker 10 (22:25):
Mass fun fact, I was in that play when I
was in seventh or eighth grade. Yeah, did you play
the horse? I did not?

Speaker 6 (22:38):
Did you play?

Speaker 14 (22:39):
No?

Speaker 10 (22:40):
I played h was I can't remember characters I played.
I was a very minor character. That was my big
fari into a junior high drama.

Speaker 6 (22:51):
All right, So did you James's Pennsylvania?

Speaker 10 (22:56):
What does Minxy say? Massachusetts? You're both wrong.

Speaker 6 (23:01):
You're both wrong. Keep going. Is it Pennsylvania, New York,
Virginia or mass.

Speaker 10 (23:12):
What you got to jump into the right answer here.

Speaker 6 (23:16):
Yes, it's the Headless Horseman, New York. Come on, James Mans,
he's three.

Speaker 10 (23:26):
To zero three zero games is right, but she makes
you beat him in all right, three to zero makes
he got the lead right now. But it's anyone's game,
all right, not a game, not a contest, not a prize,
all right.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
And medieval medievil Europe people carved faces in two turn
ups to do what mark the harvest, warn off evil spirits,
guide travelers or honor ancestors. In medieval Europe people carved
the faces into turn ups.

Speaker 10 (24:03):
That's weird.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
Was it to mark the harvest, ward off evil spirits,
guide travelers or honor ancestors.

Speaker 10 (24:14):
Well, look at that, James is on the board with
the right answer. Catch good job.

Speaker 6 (24:20):
Yeah, James got that one.

Speaker 10 (24:22):
Makes you got it right too? But not quick enough?

Speaker 6 (24:26):
Yeah all right?

Speaker 14 (24:30):
Next?

Speaker 6 (24:33):
What Cic Celtic Celtic Festival Celtic right? Why did I
say Celtics.

Speaker 10 (24:42):
The Boston the basketball team said that's wrong. It says
pronounces Celtics, and they're wrong. It's Celtic.

Speaker 6 (24:48):
What ancient Celtic festival is considered the origin of Halloween?
Is it the beltane them bowick in bulk Sean, will
you tell me you do the answers then, sam heen,
sam hein. Yeah, let me, let's just skip this question.

(25:13):
It's a stupid question. Well, I can't even pronounce any
of the words.

Speaker 10 (25:17):
He was right now of the sheet, but before he
gave all the.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
Alright, you did, okay. According to legend, which is flying
broomsticks because they were farmers with brooms and symbolized sweeping
evil away. Or it came from hallucinogenic rituals using broom handles.

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Or it was popularized by children's books. According to legend
which is flying broomsticks because they were farmers who used
brooms symbolized sweeping evil away. It came from hallucinogenic rituals
using broom handles, it was popularized by children's books. And

(26:13):
Williams says they couldn't get a plane ticket. Yes, that's why.

Speaker 10 (26:20):
Smart smart, By the way, James says, halucinergenics. Linksy says popularized,
it's hallucinogenics. James is right, so it is four to two. James,
You catching up again? Nice job?

Speaker 6 (26:36):
All right, now, let's see here. I'm looking for a
good one. How about yeah, it's too easy, all right.
The word witch comes from an Old English term meaning

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spirit evil, one wise one or dark soul. The word
which comes from an Old English term meaning spirit evil,
one wise one, or dark soul.

Speaker 10 (27:19):
James says evil one. That makes me say.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
Come on, Minxy.

Speaker 10 (27:29):
Linxy is correct with.

Speaker 6 (27:33):
Five to two.

Speaker 10 (27:35):
But I was keeping score. Are you keeping score too?

Speaker 6 (27:37):
I'm keeping score too. No no, no, no, no no no,
because all of a sudden I'll lose it. All right.
I'm just like ya. I'll just start hallucinating. Yeah, and
I'll start putting three fingers or four fingers or four
legs on bats, all right. Next one, The famous witch

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trials in Salem began in what year?

Speaker 8 (28:01):
Was it?

Speaker 6 (28:01):
Sixteen eighty eight, sixteen ninety two, seventeen oh one or
seventeen ten, sixteen eighty eight, sixteen ninety two, seventeen oh
one or seventeen ten? Was there the what year? With
a famous witch trials and Salem? Somethinksy got it right? Yes,

(28:26):
sixteen ninety two.

Speaker 10 (28:27):
Ten sixteen. Thinks he's right, boy, she is on fire?

Speaker 6 (28:34):
Uh uh oh, I know what I'm going to give away.
I just hip me. I'm going to give away a
bigfoot museum that you have to put together. Oh uh,
Actually you can have a bigfoot museum or a crypto
zoology museum.

Speaker 10 (28:53):
From interview hobby Supply.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
Yep, yes, from Innovative Hobby Supply, you can have either one.

Speaker 10 (28:57):
Little it's a kit for a little building. They're really cool.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
The zoology museums quite big. It's more expensive, but you
need more space to display it, and the bigfoot museum
will just fit on a little shelf. It's cool. That's
what we're that's what we're not giving away.

Speaker 10 (29:14):
This's not a competition.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna send one for no
reason whatsoever, no right, for no reason. All right, let's
see here. In ancient times, people wore costumes on Halloween
to do what was it? To celebrate the harvest? Impress
the gods disguise themselves from spirits or scare away neighbors.

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Which one celebrate the harvests? Impress the gods disguise themselves
from spirits or scare away neighbors.

Speaker 10 (29:55):
Minx. He says, disguise.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
Yes, it's correct, So William, it's correct.

Speaker 10 (30:03):
Yeah, James is right too. But I think makes you
got better internet. Well do you have good internet, James,
and she's pretty darn smart.

Speaker 6 (30:20):
Yeah, Well, it is hard. When they both have the
same answer, then it's probably based on speed. Well, actually,
if they both get the same answer, we should just
not give either one a point.

Speaker 10 (30:32):
Well, now you tell me that, Well, that's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 6 (30:35):
I mean, if they both get it right, true, so
we just just don't give either one. I mean, I'm
just saying, Okay, from now on, that's the way we
got to do, all right, rules make.

Speaker 10 (30:49):
Them up as weaker us. Not a contest, It's not
a contest, all right.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
According to legend, if you stare into a mirror on
Halloween knight, you might see what your future spouse, your
death date, a ghostly reflection, or the devil which one?
According to legend, if you stare into a mirror on
Halloween night, you might see your future spouse, your death date,

(31:19):
a ghostly reflection, or the devil which one? James goes,
I have slawyer.

Speaker 10 (31:26):
In that he was quick on that one. Though. You know,
I think I'm backing up. I'm pretty sure that they
have the same answer right twice. So we're going to
take two points away from Mexic because she's still up
five to two. I thinks he goes for reflection. You're
both incorrect.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
Try again, whoever, Now this one's even gets it right.
I'll go through the answers again. Are you going to
see your future spouse, your death date, a ghostly reflection
or the devil if you stare into a mirror? And
Halloween night? I know Jeff is gonna try this, all right, Jeff, sure,

(32:11):
I'm not.

Speaker 10 (32:15):
Uh God, They've got everything except the right answer. So
I think you got to call that a tie.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
So okay, So the answer is it's your future's spouse,
So there you go.

Speaker 10 (32:30):
If it was really scary, it would show your previous spouse.
That'd be more Halloween like. I think there's another question.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
I can't any of the names, so I'm not doing it.
What don't you you say? One? Do you ask one
of these questions? Right?

Speaker 10 (32:49):
All right? In some cultures, Halloween Concide coincides with the
witch festival honoring the dead Dia delos Martos aka the
Day of the Dead, Uh all Saints eve Wellpurgus Night,
or the ghost festival, and you.

Speaker 6 (33:10):
Should give them the English translation. We'll do it again.

Speaker 10 (33:15):
Well, I don't have to, cause I want you got
it right? Who did Minx? He got right? Day of
the Dead, Mexican Day of the Dead, James did all Saints,
which she is incorrect. Unfortunately a point for Minx.

Speaker 14 (33:30):
Give me.

Speaker 6 (33:33):
And this one the first one to get it. This
is too easy a transit. In Transylvanian legend, vampires could
be stopped by what crossroads, A wouldn't stake through the
heart fire or silver coins. We're gonna see who's got
the quickest internet. Is it crossroads, a wooden stake through

(33:55):
the heart fire or silver coins? How do you stop
a vampire?

Speaker 10 (34:04):
James played for James and quick wow for James.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
All right, so what's the score?

Speaker 10 (34:12):
It is five to three?

Speaker 6 (34:16):
I have the three? All right. A hallowed festival is
called all Hallows Evening.

Speaker 10 (34:28):
Oh you h.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
No, I'm say I told you I was hallucinating. Word
Halloween is short.

Speaker 10 (34:39):
Is drinking tonight?

Speaker 6 (34:40):
Dog? No, I haven't. I swear.

Speaker 10 (34:45):
I'm not a drinker. I'm happy I can assure you that.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
Okay. The word Halloween is a shortened form of the
hallowed festival All Hallows Evening, Holy Night or spirits eve
hallom festival, all Hallow's evening, Holy night or spirits Eve.
So it's the shortened form of Halloween.

Speaker 10 (35:11):
Yeah, they both got it. Well, okay, no points, no
points of word points you.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
You uh terminated each other? All right? Uh? In Scottish folklore,
the night before Halloween was known as a the witch's
watch b nutcrack night, what okay see harvest end or

(35:40):
d fire feast? So the witches watch nutcrack night, harvest
end or fire feast. In the Scottish folklore, the night
before Halloween what was it known as what the hell

(36:04):
is ow Carl?

Speaker 10 (36:07):
John said, Doug, I.

Speaker 6 (36:08):
Didn't have no beggar. I've never even tried a gummy.

Speaker 10 (36:14):
All right, And he said, which is why? Both wrong?

Speaker 6 (36:20):
John, I'm just too much funds, just completely stone cold sober. Okay,
what do we got.

Speaker 10 (36:29):
Who got it? Neither both wrong?

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (36:33):
Yeah, I can imagine why to go? Just keep going?
Which one is that witches watch nutcrack night, harvest d
or fire feast?

Speaker 10 (36:46):
Makes he said fire.

Speaker 6 (36:48):
Carl goes all pass on nutcrack night.

Speaker 10 (36:53):
Yeah, I would do all right.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
Williams says he has no idea. Teresa says, witches watch feast.

Speaker 10 (37:04):
You know what I think we're going to have a
collective fail.

Speaker 6 (37:08):
It's not cracked night people where you get cracked in
the nuts.

Speaker 10 (37:15):
You said it, not me, they do, they do things different.
It is Colin.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
Yeah, get correct in the nuts?

Speaker 10 (37:21):
All right? So who won Minxy so mixy? Please send
me your com I might have it already, but please
send it to me again. I'm posting up my email.

Speaker 6 (37:31):
Uh and you got to tell us do you want
the crypto Zoology Museum that's that's the future Museum of
Lauren Coleman or do you want the smaller kind of
roadside bigfoot Museum.

Speaker 10 (37:49):
Let Jeff know yep, so yeah, in your real name
and mailing address, please email me at Jeff P at
Untold Radio AM dot com. And congratulations even though there's
nothing to win because it's not a contest.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
Right nothing zero. Let's just feel like sending it, yeah
to somebody who knows trivia.

Speaker 10 (38:09):
This time to turn off the music number of music.

Speaker 6 (38:13):
Thank you?

Speaker 10 (38:15):
All right? Moving on, weird Fact of the Week, Weird
fact oh the week.

Speaker 9 (38:22):
It's now time for Untold Radio Weird Fact of the Week.
That is kind of weird.

Speaker 6 (38:33):
That's weird. Since we were talking about long tongues. Right,
you like that music?

Speaker 10 (38:39):
Yeah, fucky.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
Weird Fact of the week. It's about tongues.

Speaker 8 (38:47):
It is.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
See we're sticking with the theme here. If people don't
notice these things, there's a theme all night, it's a theme.
The draft's tongue can be over fifty centimeters long, that
is one point seven feet. That's long enough to lick
their own ears. And their tongues are dark, bluish purple.

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Do you know why, Joe?

Speaker 10 (39:13):
I do it because I read, but I cheated. I didn't.

Speaker 6 (39:18):
Packed the tongue from getting sunburnt.

Speaker 10 (39:21):
That actually makes a lot of sense because it's out
all the time. Imagine getting a sunburnt tongue.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
I couldn't imagine that.

Speaker 10 (39:27):
Oh man, that would be miserable.

Speaker 6 (39:29):
Yeah, try it. You could be the first. You could
be the first white guy to try to get a
sunburnt tongue.

Speaker 10 (39:35):
I'll thank you that the World Book of Records. All right, Well,
we've got to think we got I wasn't even done.
I thought you were done. I'm sorry that was done.
I thought so.

Speaker 6 (39:52):
Okay anyhow, but it's it's a long tongue and they
grab leaves. Yes, But the fact is one point seven
feet long. That's pretty big. Yeah, twenty inches twenty inch tongue.

Speaker 10 (40:10):
That's why we're getting no comment.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
All right. The next is something we call creepy facts.
This is just for Halloween, right, yeah, it's we're approaching
creepy facts.

Speaker 10 (40:24):
Creepy facts.

Speaker 7 (40:25):
It's time for already creepy facts.

Speaker 6 (40:37):
We need to talk to the art department again. Okay,
all right, so this is just for Halloween fans. Are
you ready?

Speaker 10 (40:48):
All right?

Speaker 6 (40:49):
The first jack o' leonyarns were made from turnips before pumpkins.
Hard to believe, huh. The Irish carve scary faces into
turnips and beats, then beats forgot about the beats to
scare away evil spirits. The glow came from a piece
of burning coal inside, so there you go. And witches

(41:12):
flying came from hallucinogenic Oh geez, this is like redundant crap.
It was in our trivia. Well, I just sometimes I
screw up, but I think there's a little more info here.
Oh I'm just a screw tonight. So apparently okay, So
witches flying came from hallucinogenic herbs. Some historians say medieval

(41:37):
witches rubbed broomsticks with flying ornaments made from plants like
Beledon Beladonia's Beladona henbane herbs that cause vivid hallucinations of flight.
The broom handle, uh is where they applied they did, yes,

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so I'll see that wasn't in the trivia. So apparently
Victorians took ghost photos and believed them. In the eighteen hundreds,
photographers created fake spirit photographs using double exposures. Families would
pose with the with what appeared to be a ghostly

(42:22):
loved one, convinced the afterlife was captured on film, so
they would trick people.

Speaker 10 (42:30):
Yeah, oh nice.

Speaker 6 (42:32):
Uh number four weird fact and thank god it's the
last weird creepy fact. Real skulls were once used in
Halloween rituals. Ancient Celtic tribes sometimes kept in displayed skulls
of ancestors or enemies as protection charms during how do

(42:54):
you say that?

Speaker 10 (42:55):
I can't say it, I can't remember the main No,
I'm saying it wrong.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
Salmine, Salmaine whatever. They believe the skulls could ward out
spirits and ensure good fortune for the new year. And then,
last but not least, pumpkin spiders are real and apparently, uh,
there's a real species called the pumpkin spider. And you

(43:25):
can take a crack at that scientific name. Be it
a mattistas. They're big, bright orange spiders that often build
large webs around the Halloween season. Luckily they're harmless. Rights
are yes, and they're orange. There you go, the pumpkin spider.

(43:50):
So now you have something new to talk about it.
You know, when you're carving pumpkins, you can scare your kids.
So I just saw a pump conspirer.

Speaker 10 (44:02):
All right, should we it's getting close to h should
we save the clips for next week? We got James
ready to go back there.

Speaker 6 (44:08):
Well, I gotta do I don't have to do clips.
Let's see if there's one I want to do.

Speaker 10 (44:14):
I got that not your clip. You look at that one,
the white clip, the not deer.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
Yeah that was kind of weird, wasn't it.

Speaker 10 (44:19):
Yeah? I got that ready to go here.

Speaker 6 (44:21):
It's a dwarf deer, and I don't think it's AI.
I'm pretty sure it's real real and me and Jeff
saw something similar. But what we saw I don't think
had any deformities.

Speaker 10 (44:34):
This looks to fail here. Let's show everybody what we're
talking about here, mean one second to pull that up, and.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
I think this deer was with another full sized white
tail that kind of runs.

Speaker 10 (44:52):
Off its deformed and miniature's definitely not a fawn. Cons
are shaped different and colored way different. So it looks
like a deformed adult. But well, what we saw was
not deformed, was perfectly proportioned. It looked like the faller
than that. Yeah, it was tiny. It looked like a miniature,

(45:15):
like if you shrunk an adult deer. It was perfectly
shaped like a deer. It was not It's like I said,
it did not look malformed. Nothing, it was. It was weird.

Speaker 6 (45:24):
All right, let's do tech breakdown?

Speaker 10 (45:27):
Yeah, that quick.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
This is kind of an interesting one, but it's a
little complex. It's more of an advanced one. Go ahead, Okay,
where'd you go?

Speaker 10 (45:45):
Your MIC's off?

Speaker 6 (45:47):
I was waiting for you to do your thing.

Speaker 10 (45:50):
Oh yeah, what the heck is wrong with me?

Speaker 8 (45:56):
You know what?

Speaker 10 (45:57):
I didn't? I don't have that queued up.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
We don't. It's fine, tech breakdown, all right, So what
I want to talk about? All right, well, we don't
need it. We're good. So what I want to talk about,
it's something a little more advanced. It's this is meant
for more advanced researchers that I have a real DIY
spirit even though this isn't really that complicated because you

(46:22):
can go to their site, you can get all the information.
And what I'm going to do is kind of just
push you towards this. This is something called an audio moth.
This is what scientists use to record audio of frogs, insects,
very fine sounds because it goes into a very high

(46:45):
frequency range and it gets down quite low. And you
can easily make this an infort sound recorder and record
through the entire spectrum. And it's not that expensive. I
think you can do it for about like everything all
thrown in about two hundred bucks. Right, yeah, yeah, it's

(47:07):
quite that.

Speaker 10 (47:08):
It's spelled audio moths two point ohs. You want to
search for that.

Speaker 6 (47:11):
I put it up in the constant and okay, so
this is called it's a it's a tiny open it's
called an open source recorder. And yes, you can get
a little waterproof case that's uh IP seven rated, so
it was completely waterproof and you can put this a
little uh that's kind of what the unit looks like,

(47:33):
and you can even I mean, it's got other jacks
or other mics. It's got all sorts of cool things,
and the batteries last a really long time, and it
just runs on triple A batteries or is it double A.
I don't know if it's triple A or double A anyhow.
So it's an open source mic, which means you'll be

(47:53):
able to get tons of help if there's something you
want to do cool with it. And so if you
can pare this now with a DIY infra sound recorder
that you can make very quickly, And I'm going to
have Jeff in the in the notes tonight, Jeff, don't forget.
I've put a lot of links. There are names of
the actual processors and the mics that they need to

(48:18):
be able to turn this into a full spectrum audio recorder.

Speaker 10 (48:22):
Okay, Okay, I'll put those links in the description.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
Yeah, so apparently this thing goes from like twenty hurts
all the way to twenty killer hurts. So that's quit.
It's quite a range, and they can go away below
using a few things. Okay, it's powered by three double
A batteries, pretty cadule. I wouldn't throw that one up

(48:50):
where it shows the waterproofcase. Okay, there it is, and
this is for the audio moths specifically made for it.
So what you can do now, if you want to
do the infrasound module, you need to get a couple
of things. You need to get a option be they

(49:12):
call it a barometric or Memes pressure sensor for true
infrasound recording, and it's a BOSH number BME two eighty,
or you can get a BMP three ninety and that
records from zero hurts to twenty. So you can really

(49:34):
get down into infra sound. And I'm really hoping some
researchers hear my words, get on this because a lot
of people are working in really active areas and for
two hundred bucks you can build it just the ultimate
audio recorder, right because they'll record. You know, bigfoots are
known for the really high notes and really high whistles

(49:58):
all the way down into the infras out range, and
so that's kind of what this will do. And it
records and samples at a bit rate that's just incredible.
Its samples at rates at three hundred and eighty four
killer hurtz and it needs just a standard micro SD

(50:22):
card and you can convert this into a full spectrum
recorder and it also takes USB microphones, so there's a
number of jacks. But on their site, on the the
actual site of the moth, there's just so much help

(50:43):
that you can get and you can converse with other
scientists and people and how to do different things. So
that's it. Cool cool, cool, cool, all right, James Lady,
are we ready for James yep? I think so, James Lady,

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we did them on once before for a short time.
James Lady heads up the Michigan Aboriginal Project and is
avidly collecting evidence not only like stick structures, but auti recordings,
video thermals, and he, like myself, kind of believes that

(51:25):
these creatures kind of live or visit the edges of suburbs,
you know, forest areas, so on the edges you don't
have to be out in the middle of nowhere. You
don't have to be at snow Grove for instance, to
get big activity. You can be in the suburbs as
long as there's forest corridors. So his website is Michigan

(51:47):
Aboriginal dot com. So beyond that, I guess James will
kind of explain his background what's so and get them on.

Speaker 10 (51:58):
Okay, all right, and welcome James.

Speaker 8 (52:19):
Hello, hey James, how are you doing well? Nice to
connect in person once again.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
I was hoping you'd be in front of a fire.

Speaker 8 (52:28):
Well look at that.

Speaker 6 (52:30):
Oh jeez, shoot your damn can you screw it over there?

Speaker 10 (52:33):
We got to do this right, that's beautiful.

Speaker 8 (52:36):
Off, this is our front room here with the French doors,
and I've had to open a window so I get
a little nice chili fall air and.

Speaker 10 (52:44):
Nice love it the warmth of the fire.

Speaker 6 (52:46):
All right, and you have this You have this amazing voice, James.
It's this low, smooth calm. Boys. Can you but I
want to make sure audience can hear you really good?
So speak up all right?

Speaker 8 (53:00):
Yeah I am a soft speaker, you are, but you
have a smooth so heads up for that.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
I would die for your voice. Anyhow.

Speaker 8 (53:10):
You're very kind, Thank you?

Speaker 6 (53:13):
So okay do you do you only do your work
in Michigan. But then the other day you sent me
a link because you were visiting somebody.

Speaker 8 (53:23):
Yeah, my wife grew up in Richfield. Her sister, my
sister in law, is still there. She lives in an
adult foster care facility's she's special needs. So for years
past few years since I've been accompanying my wife to Minnesota.
I wanted to go and explore this little Woodlake nature area,

(53:45):
and not one hundred yards into it I found I
finally had the opportunity this past August, and I found
structures that I look for in these places. And your right, Doug,
you can in these little green ways, even in our suburbs,
and they're all connected by the waterways. By the way,
this greenway is an offshoot of that. Much like I

(54:09):
just collected some audio from Southfield, Michigan. There's a place
called Bauervic Woods Park. It's a public park and kids
play there and during the day and at night. It's
interesting what you will pick up and you talk about
infrasound recordings with that the moth device. I believe I've
I've captured some of that. Once I'm done complete in

(54:32):
the audio from my servant Southfield surveillance recent I can
send and share some of that. But even in the
raw format as it's captured, I get some very very
low what I believe are vocalizations or some maybe some
other universal outer space sort of communications. No idea. I've

(54:57):
heard some really weird things. And my simple quest to
just to see one. And my quest is simply see
one of these beans. Once I back in twenty sixteen,
I had learned that, in fact, that they were real,
just by my own wits and reckoning. And what I've
learned is there is a suburban South Sasquatch phenomenon. As

(55:20):
evidence in my recording captures.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
Well, you recorded some like it sounds like talking.

Speaker 8 (55:27):
Yeah, there are two expressions. I categorized these expressions that
I captured in Richfield at the Woodlake Center as a
conventional speech. There's when I sent you that says it's
sort of a soft, hushy loud whisper says wah heat
something like that, and moments before that. I don't know
to what extent you've analyzed the clip, but there are

(55:49):
what I call verifying vocal elements that I also associate
associate with these beans. So yeah, the conventional speech coupled
with that other s tic stuff, it's really very difficult
to detect and pick up. But I've been doing this
for going on over seven years now.

Speaker 6 (56:08):
See see on James. Is it a way to like
adjust your microphone a little bit? I know, I see it.

Speaker 8 (56:14):
Hang try to hold uh yeah, that's what I can do.

Speaker 14 (56:17):
Here.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
Looks like your wires people are having a hard time here.

Speaker 8 (56:24):
Now, okay, well, glad for the feedback. Thank you. Yeah,
that's right. I'll hold it up in front of me.
Oh there you go, great, good, Thank you for that. Okay,
So I explore. This is what I do in my
free time. If I have something time, I go. And
you know, I was just driving back for my stepdaughter's
wedding out of the west side of Detroit and the
Western Burbs, and we had spent the night out there,

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and on the way home, I just I dropped by
and took a little hike and uh witness some wildlife, uh,
some trophy bucks in this little, you know, plot of land.
It's quite a few acres, but it's no more than
I would say, half not even a half mile long,

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maybe a quarter mile.

Speaker 6 (57:08):
Do we have any Do we have it? Do you
want to play that clip from there?

Speaker 8 (57:12):
Sure?

Speaker 10 (57:12):
I've got They're titled by the date. Do you know
which date recording?

Speaker 8 (57:18):
Well, it would have to be. There are two clips
that look black. One's twenty seconds, the other is nineteen seconds.
I believe the nineteen second clip with that black spectrogram
sort of icon has the wahit and the other one
which I super love because it's it's one of my

(57:39):
recordings that I've captured that is reminiscent of the Sierra
Sounds of one of the vocals that we've heard at
the in the Sierra Sounds, and that one says something
like non Hussan yacht or something like that.

Speaker 10 (57:55):
Yeah, I'm not sure which is winch share. Like I said,
they're all just the videos are titled by the date. Okay, well,
let's see here if I can do some big and
I might be able to figure that out. Give me
a second here, go ahead, continue on. I'm gonna keep
looking here for it.

Speaker 8 (58:11):
Yeah, not a problem. So anyway, that's what I do
for kicks and giggles in my spare time.

Speaker 6 (58:14):
Yeah. That reminds me of Carl Sup does that He travels,
you know, for a living, and then every time instead
of sitting around the hotel, he goes out and finds
a plot of woods.

Speaker 8 (58:26):
That's great.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
And he goes out and he also finds, uh, you know,
many stick structures and here's things and has rocks thrown
at him in these suburban edges.

Speaker 8 (58:42):
Yeah, and Richfield, you know, is a classic example of
one of those places where you have access. It looked
a little more landlocked than I could figure. Maybe it's not,
but I know it's part of a water system because
it holds those pongs there and it's so close to
downtown Minneapolis.

Speaker 6 (59:03):
Well, let's go through. Why would they be in there? One,
I mean, I believe you know, there's no hunting. There's
dogs have to be ellacious.

Speaker 8 (59:12):
Yeah, there are deers, so there's food.

Speaker 6 (59:14):
No, can't be lots of food, lots of Yeah.

Speaker 8 (59:17):
There's a ton of cattails, and I know the cattail
is one edible. And there are fish, turtles, frogs, rodents,
anything you can imagine. And I'm certain the numbers of
them aren't really extensive, as in like when I go
up north, I go into a valley, and the numbers,

(59:38):
you know. I've collected some vocalizations from multiple subjects from
what seems to be throughout the valley. There's a fifty
two second clip Jeff that I sent you. I call
these the Michigan Valley voices. It's it's civil discourse, and
it's it's they speak not only with conventional speech, but
with other vocal modalities like call a whoop, a siren

(01:00:03):
sound called the whistles, the knocks, which I can tender
vocals and and you know, you have different I find
that when I when there's.

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
Something else that we're that we're all missing. These parks
are always closed at night.

Speaker 8 (01:00:20):
Yeah, nobody's allowed in there. Yeah, dogs must be on
a leech. Yeah, right, So.

Speaker 6 (01:00:26):
People are are just vacant from these areas, so they
have the whole area to themselves to hunt, to do
whatever they want to do, and there's nobody in there.

Speaker 8 (01:00:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's great.

Speaker 6 (01:00:37):
Well why don't we do this, Why don't we just
start throwing stuff up?

Speaker 10 (01:00:40):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I just I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
Getting dizzy watching these things go by. So just just
go ahead and we'll just put.

Speaker 8 (01:00:48):
Something up and and I can tell you the backstory.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
Yeah, he'll recognize it. People want to see the stuff
he's been doesn't matter where you start.

Speaker 8 (01:01:02):
Yeah, people want to see. Then check out the YouTube channel.
I've got a ton of stuff. And quite honestly, the
stuff I published there, and people ask this all the time,
it really is a small fraction of the actual footage
that I've gained out in the words with verifile verifiable
vocal elements in them. They speak, they speak a lot,
but they speak in a very esoteric kind of way.

(01:01:26):
And when we're lucky. Oh, this is that fifty two seconds. Yeah,
this is what I call the Michigan Valley voices. The
recorder was kicked off by what I would say as
a knock. It's at the very beginning of the clip,
and you'll hear shortly after that a call, then a
siren call, and some other vocals among multiple subjects, both

(01:01:46):
near and afar from the recorder placement.

Speaker 6 (01:01:49):
Okay, we're not hearing anything, Jeff.

Speaker 8 (01:02:05):
Okay, I didn't know if that was a function of
the system and I was excluded, but I can't fear anything.

Speaker 6 (01:02:10):
Yeah, no, Jeff, you need to.

Speaker 14 (01:02:13):
Hmm.

Speaker 6 (01:02:13):
I can hear it on my site here. You have
to share the audio with us. It's not different than
playing any other clip.

Speaker 10 (01:02:27):
Yeah it is. Actually it's a little bit different format
than normal. But that's okay. We'll trying to figure this
out here. You're not hearing anything at all.

Speaker 6 (01:02:34):
Yeah, why don't you play one of well, I know
you played one of our clip picks and we can
hear the audio.

Speaker 10 (01:02:44):
Okay, Well, let's try this one here. Uh, yeah, the
problem is these are these are uh? I think these
are on? Okay, this is one I know I can play.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
How do you know that?

Speaker 10 (01:03:07):
It's the MLV format? Apparently this like this format of file.

Speaker 8 (01:03:14):
I can I have the clip here. That's not gonna
the fidelity is going to be somewhat compromised over my mouthpiece,
I'm sure, but I can play.

Speaker 6 (01:03:26):
Jeff, do you have any clips?

Speaker 10 (01:03:28):
I do, I have lots of Them'm just telling hard
time getting him to play here.

Speaker 8 (01:03:31):
All right, Now, this is a different clip. This is
up in the up and this is the audio the
walkthrough on here. The video is actually I think it's
my first maybe it was my second time through this.
This is what I call a wallow. It's a place
where I find concentrations and this is as a matter
of fact, up in the up. It's the largest concentrations

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of stick structures. And and I accompany this video with
audio I captured later that night from this place, from
the same place you see.

Speaker 14 (01:04:05):
Okay, here we go, hm.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Hm hm hm h.

Speaker 6 (01:04:27):
M hm.

Speaker 10 (01:04:32):
Uh sorry mhm hm.

Speaker 6 (01:04:41):
Crazy audio. So this is this audio though? Is you
just super imposed it on this?

Speaker 8 (01:04:47):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
I got you.

Speaker 8 (01:04:50):
That audio is crazy it's super creepy, and you can
hear a subject barking as it leaves the structure on
the left. Now, near the middle of it, that's exactly
where I placed the recorder, right on the left side there,

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and the tree farthest to the left is at the base.
That's where I stuck the recorder at the base of
that tree on the far left. And earlier that time. Oh,
Christine Murphy, Hey, oh she lives in Wow, you're a
lot closer than I thought, Christine. She's fifteen minutes for

(01:05:32):
me if that. Oh she up now north, Now.

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
What's next? Jeff?

Speaker 10 (01:05:40):
All right, I'm trying to get these clips to play,
so you have to play him first.

Speaker 11 (01:05:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:05:45):
It's a different format than I usually get here, so
I'm just trying to get I got cha. Oh my god.
One here.

Speaker 8 (01:05:56):
Yeah, that's something really scary.

Speaker 6 (01:05:58):
We put up some still pictures and start out there
and kind of get all right, here's a clip warmed up.

Speaker 8 (01:06:03):
Okay, this clip was captured I think it was last year,
twenty twenty four. It's the first time I ever got
any vocalizations of this nature. You'll hear this like a percussive,
almost like an incantation type cadence. And at the nine
second mark of this one I shared with you earlier, Jeff,
you'll hear some you'll hear some vocalization, a voice that

(01:06:25):
sounds like Chippewa, and then it's and other voices after that,
sounds like in this house or something like that. But
you can hear these like pixie voices nearby. And it
was captured within fifty feet of this scene here with
the stream.

Speaker 6 (01:06:46):
Is there a so there's a water source a stream, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:06:49):
Yep, And there's a there's a structure at you know
where I laid the recorder that's about fifty fifty feet
from this this spot here, all.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
Right, Jeff Cevin, play it, hm.

Speaker 15 (01:07:17):
Hm, h.

Speaker 9 (01:07:23):
M hm.

Speaker 6 (01:07:33):
Those percusive sounds are amazing, yeah, h m.

Speaker 8 (01:07:45):
Hm. And along the lines of the percussive sounds, I
did get some gunshot vocals. I sent that clip to
you as well, Jeff. It's just a seven second clip,
but it captures one of these beings, uh, doing the
gunshot thing. And then the foreground where the recorder is.
It seems that there are these pixie voices kind of

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keeping in cadence with the the cadence of the gunshot sounds.

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
So your method has been going to these areas, find structures,
and leave an audio recorder.

Speaker 8 (01:08:17):
Yet, that's it right over now, and I'm cozy back
in my campsite. I don't go out at night. Number one.
We don't know fully what we're dealing with, right, I
know they've probably harm me, but they've scared the heck
out of me.

Speaker 6 (01:08:30):
So those are not daytime audio. He's just using footage,
daytime video of the area, and then he's putting the
naytime audio in correct.

Speaker 8 (01:08:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of crazy.

Speaker 10 (01:08:44):
Yeah, I'm sorry these this file form. You're kind of
play together about it.

Speaker 8 (01:08:50):
And if if I share I think I've shared that
most recent vocal clip on my you know, my Facebook channel.
There are some evidence.

Speaker 6 (01:09:02):
Well, you could play something on your phone and put
it right up to your mic and we'll probably be
able to air it really good.

Speaker 8 (01:09:07):
Let's try that. I call these the Michigan Valley Voices.
This is the first clip that we that is the

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siren song.

Speaker 15 (01:09:39):
Mhah h hmm.

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
Otherworldly, Yeah, truly otherworldly. And it's like, what is going
on here? So what are we dealing with? It? Is?

Speaker 6 (01:10:15):
It is? And I've heard these otherworldly sounds myself. We
the last time I found a stick structure in a
suburban area. We left, uh, you know, recorder overnight and
three in the morning.

Speaker 12 (01:10:29):
Wood knocks, rock throws, and you're like, nobody's out there
at night, you know, wood knocking.

Speaker 6 (01:10:38):
It's just not happening.

Speaker 8 (01:10:40):
It's incredible, it really is.

Speaker 6 (01:10:42):
Do you have that that gunshot sound? We call those
thunder knocks. There's a lot of names for them.

Speaker 8 (01:10:53):
Okay, understandable the name.

Speaker 6 (01:10:56):
They're loud.

Speaker 8 (01:11:00):
Just to seventh, I'm looking for time stamps here here
it is seven seconds.

Speaker 6 (01:11:05):
But it does come through pretty good.

Speaker 8 (01:11:08):
Try to listen as the cadence of the guns show.
I think there may be six or seven or something
like that. There in the foreground where the recorder is.
There seems to be a gathering of youth, and they
do have a very high pixie like voice that I
hope you can you can hear. You can hear it
in other recordings of mine, especially at the very end

(01:11:32):
of in the midst as it's ten minutes. I've only
published two ten minute audios different versions of the same footage,
and you can hear at the very end a little
pixie voice says ober keybop, and prior to that, you
hear some other stuff that sounds angelic, and prior to

(01:11:54):
that you have stuff that sounds, you know, demonic. It's
all right, So here's the gunshot salvo and it should repeat. O. Yeah,

(01:12:28):
your the viewer, the son is King said the sounds
are from another dimension. He totally opened to that concept.
I really am, because you know, often I don't see.
The ten minutes that I published was an encounter that
I didn't realize was happening until the four minute fifty
three seconds of that ten minute. Oh thank you, Christine,

(01:12:49):
back at you. I'm totally add So I was, oh,
what was I talking about the.

Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
We were talking about the gunshot.

Speaker 8 (01:13:00):
Or the ten minutes? Well, well, that the ten minute
audio that I had, and I didn't know I was
having an encounter until the four minute fifty three when
it became really very vocal.

Speaker 14 (01:13:11):
That the uh.

Speaker 8 (01:13:17):
But I just want to say that I never saw
a thing that night. I heard a lot and I
felt a lot. There was one of the vocalization. It
was sounded like a big dumpster being dropped onto concrete,
like a big empty dumpster. It had that sort of
voluminous boom, and I felt the percussive impact of that.
That happens around the five minute mark of the ten minutes. Oh,

(01:13:41):
Carl's up. Is this a gentleman that?

Speaker 12 (01:13:44):
Yep, he's he's your he's your so Southwestern counterpart right on.

Speaker 8 (01:13:50):
Oh nice, nice to meet you, Carl. Yeah, i'd love to.
I'd love that. I believe me. I don't talk about
this at home, So any chance I get to talk
with anybody about this. Yeah, Carl's kind of crazy, but.

Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
He's extremely devoted.

Speaker 10 (01:14:07):
Everywhere he goes.

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
He's out in the woods trying to find a little spot,
you know, where he can find bigfoot signs and activity.

Speaker 8 (01:14:15):
Yeah, you don't have to go too far, you don't.

Speaker 6 (01:14:20):
So what I'll do is look at a Google map,
even in my own area, and I'll go, oh, here's
a road track, here's a stream's here's even a walking
path in a state park. Here's where they all come together.
And by God, you go out there and you'll find
a structure. Even though the structure might be in a swamp.
In the middle of a swamp, people are not kids

(01:14:40):
are not going out their buildings, you know, where they're
standing water. But these things will And the other thing
I've noticed on James maybe you have too. I often
find him right next to a deer trail.

Speaker 8 (01:14:54):
Oh yeah, that the structure. I found three new structures
in Southfield at Dollars last Sunday. Bugged one of them
and uh, it is literally I think it might even
be touching the trail. Same thing with the Barton nature
area around ann Arbor where I birthed my recording project.

(01:15:16):
I have recorded the home. Oh yeah, yes I have.
As a matter of fact, most recently in Southfield, I
have the home.

Speaker 6 (01:15:23):
How did you hear about the hum.

Speaker 8 (01:15:26):
I just heard the home. I've heard other people say
they they've experienced a humming and and I've recorded it.
And it's really it's very it's very deep.

Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
You can find on that or and we were open.
We just want to hear audio. We want to hear
your stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:15:44):
Yeah, I'm not prepared to.

Speaker 6 (01:15:46):
I know, well the Jeff could do it too. Jeff,
you got it on your phone. You could. There's a
million ways to do this.

Speaker 10 (01:15:55):
Yeah, which, well, which one I seen to know which
one you're talking.

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
Any of them?

Speaker 8 (01:15:59):
I don't those that I sent you to death. I
don't think I can say the hum is in there. However,
uh maybe that thirty five second clip.

Speaker 10 (01:16:08):
I can't. I can't really see that the way.

Speaker 8 (01:16:11):
I have the I have the thirty five second clip. Now,
this is weird and this I haven't really made this
to public. I've shared privately with just a few people
a handful. This has conventional speech. You're in the clicking,
the melodic clicking and clucking, and it has it does
have a very very low tone vocal that's complemented by

(01:16:38):
other stuff going around it. I'm not familiar with the
tawis hum for Let's listen with thirty five seconds. I
this is captured from the same TP as the Michigan
Valley voices which we just heard a little bit ago
before the gunshots. I think, and uh so this is

(01:17:00):
another example of civil discourse, and you know, a very coordinated,
structured sort of communication between multiple subjects around the area.
Who will play that? Now? Work cover okay, one work on.

Speaker 6 (01:18:00):
Hy So what do you think we're hearing, James.

Speaker 8 (01:18:29):
I think we're hearing a meeting. For lack of a
better explanation or answer to that question, it you know,
it's civil discourse, it's it's respectful of one another. It
seems it has structure. Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:18:45):
So they're doing slit of a clicking.

Speaker 8 (01:18:48):
Yeah, and it's just another vocal modality. You know, it's
we eventually this conversation, and already I'm already there.

Speaker 14 (01:18:57):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:18:58):
The biblical correlations with the beings of an unseen realm
or a supernatural realm are part of the greater echelon
of God's creation, if you will.

Speaker 6 (01:19:15):
So somebody had mentioned it sounds like two bucks fighting.

Speaker 8 (01:19:18):
Yeah, I can. I can understand that because you have
the contact the clicking sounds as you might experience with
But I've watched two bucks, as a matter of fact,
spar with one another, and this is quite different the
vocals that I've casted, and you can hear conventional speech
in there, and you can hear two very low voices

(01:19:40):
one when you when you, I mean, when you look
at that audio on the spectrogram, it's there's a reason
why I really haven't published it yet, because it's really
when you think about the implications of what's going on,
whether it be be from a different dimension or actual
you know, beings in the flesh communicating, which I think

(01:20:04):
they probably both could be. I mean, I don't know,
I'm simply a student of this subject. I don't have
all the answers, but this stuff is for real and
and I get the weirdest, weirdest, most amazing stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:20:19):
Well, what's the weirdest recordings you've made?

Speaker 8 (01:20:24):
Well, I haven't made any. I've collected audio homes. Yeah, audio,
I call them audio gems, the weirdest. Okay, here's something
I'll share, something that I've never published. And I think

(01:20:44):
this is it's just a ten second but it will clip.
And this is also this is from the same TP,
different year, I forget which year. It's a few years old,
same TP as the Michigan Valley Vocals. And that clip that's, uh,
we recently played. So get to listen to to this.

(01:21:19):
So that's creepy.

Speaker 6 (01:21:23):
Yeah, you can almost hear it coming from just you know,
I mean these sounds have there's just a different feel.
I mean it's not like a just a click or
a touch on the thing. I mean you're you're picking
up kind of these deep tones.

Speaker 8 (01:21:42):
M h.

Speaker 6 (01:21:44):
I don't know. It's kind of hard.

Speaker 8 (01:21:45):
Combination of all are that same clip. I have three
different segments if you can see here, Oh a lot
of stuff. These three yeah, this is this is just
my Michigan aborigine a folder. I got three hundred and
eighty files clips, you know, not all our audio files.

(01:22:06):
Let's listen to that weirdness at the end. Okay, let's
go at the beginning. M Yeah, he's got it down.

Speaker 6 (01:22:40):
Because of speech.

Speaker 8 (01:22:42):
Yeah, it's very weird. And here's a last segment of that.
So so whatever. Then, guys, way there are two subjects there,
one same way another one saying like it sounds like

(01:23:04):
a refugee or something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:23:05):
We need to get you together. Also with David because
he has a lot of percussive speech recordings.

Speaker 8 (01:23:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:23:13):
Great, and he's always looking for comparatives in different parts
of the country.

Speaker 8 (01:23:17):
Okay, so I think I've got to have some of
that stuff. And it's interesting. It's you know, I don't
know exactly. I can't say exactly what either Mike Patterson
or or Ron Moorehead have captured. I believe the vocals
are are genuine by my read uh, specially especially Ron Mooreheads.

(01:23:40):
There's no doubt that that is some real stuff. Mike
Patterson's I did get an email from someone out of
the blue saying, hey, beware you know, I don't know.
I I form my own opinions and until I have
a reason to objectively uh uh, the ps objectively discredit

(01:24:04):
you know something, I you know, it seems real to me.

Speaker 6 (01:24:10):
Oh, here's David. David's here in the chat. So, David,
you need to get together with James.

Speaker 8 (01:24:19):
Good good so and he said.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
Yes, he's heard the percusive speech himself.

Speaker 8 (01:24:25):
Also, yeah, and I think we're you know, I don't
believe we're dealing with the same subjects because my stuff
that I've been collecting for over seven years now is
different in large part than Ron Moore heads. But we
don't have year after year and reach.

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
There's there's some percusive stuff in Ron's recordings.

Speaker 8 (01:24:47):
Also, even though I do believe we're dealing with different beings,
I believe they share vocal modalities. So that's just my
thinking based on my own observations.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
Oh there, So apparently he's telling telling us that I
did send him some of your audio.

Speaker 10 (01:25:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:25:08):
Yeah, David and I have a history and he interviewed me.
I think you may have heard that interview once on
a time. It's recorded, so I'm sure he'll share that
with you if you permission.

Speaker 6 (01:25:19):
Oh for his book.

Speaker 8 (01:25:21):
Oh, I didn't know he was writing a book. That's great. Yeah,
I don't know if that was the purpose of interviewing.

Speaker 6 (01:25:28):
I believe so. Yes, he's going to be a video
in the book that we publish.

Speaker 8 (01:25:31):
Okay, o, people would be really cool the QR code. Yes, okay,
that's such a clever love.

Speaker 10 (01:25:39):
I love it. Yeah, I'm a big fan of that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:41):
It's really all right, So anything else you want to do.
But what do you think these tp struck? Because you've
gone to areas and we can chow some stills and Jeff,
if you want to start throwing some stills up of
these structures, sure, but.

Speaker 8 (01:25:55):
What do you think they What do you think they
are one of my favorites. I don't know. All I
know and all that I'm comfortable saying is that these
structures are significant in their culture. They do have a
culture there. I believe there's some ancient sort of people. Uh,
they do have their own culture, and I think these
structures have some significance in that culture. I don't I

(01:26:20):
can't say what the significance is. It could be just
you know, so the youth. I believe these places that
I that I find and that's that's half the fun
is finding these places. The other half is going through
the audio and such. Oh great, you got the website
up your website here? Yeah yeah. That tp right in

(01:26:40):
the middle is the very first TPI ever bugged.

Speaker 10 (01:26:43):
I can oh, I can manually go through them here
and slow down a little bit. You can try to
at least maybe not.

Speaker 8 (01:26:58):
Here we go, Yeah, all of these stru I have
not recorded there. I've recorded here. That's in Southfield. That's
up north, that's up north, and also up north.

Speaker 6 (01:27:17):
Same.

Speaker 8 (01:27:17):
I'm going back in a couple of weeks. I think
maybe it's ten days now. I'm going to my usual spot,
which is in northern Lower Michigan. So I get most
of my amazing audio. And I find when I when
I record around the suburbs, they are not as vocal
with the loud stuff and the conventional speech. They being that.

(01:27:40):
Uh yeah, I presume it's because they don't want to
be found out. I don't know. Right there the the
tea cup, you see a little white spot A couple
of images back. That was the discovery that I that motivated.

Speaker 10 (01:27:58):
I'm not it's like I'm not doing anything. It's it's
so I put I put up the link to the
that's the website there from the Look, do you have pictures, Jeff, No,
I just I just have this from the Oh I'm trying.
I'm trying to trying to get this to stop. There
we go, There we go.

Speaker 8 (01:28:16):
So that image right there suggested to me because I
had observed this spot for a few weeks before I
noticed that apparently there's a juvenile here playing, and that
tea cup that was in that setting moved all the
time every time I was there, went there, it had
been in a different place. So I figured, why not

(01:28:39):
start recording there?

Speaker 6 (01:28:41):
What what's the average height of these tps that you find?

Speaker 8 (01:28:44):
Oh, the one you see there in the middle, Gosh,
that's at least ten feet tall. You can stand in it.
You can stand up in it. Those two TP's are
the same. This one is in ann Arbor. You can
stand in that as well.

Speaker 6 (01:28:57):
I've always thought that they don't go in them. They
stand behind them for maybe as a deer blind or
maybe they're cribs for infants.

Speaker 8 (01:29:08):
Yeah, some diversion for infants or for the juveniles. I
did find in Southfield. There's one video. It's a few
years old now, I found some foot truck. They were
in line, little tiny tracks in line tracks, and I
followed him and it went right through the wall of
a TP. It was super super cool.

Speaker 6 (01:29:29):
Oh, somebody said, Doug, David goes, Doug, did you see
the blue Was there some blue object in one of
your TV's David spotted.

Speaker 8 (01:29:38):
There's there's a blue object, right, A gentleman.

Speaker 6 (01:29:43):
Back to the phones or the teacup. Jeff.

Speaker 10 (01:29:47):
Yeah, I'm not doing anything. It's just doesn't like David.

Speaker 6 (01:29:53):
Maybe David, you can be more smart.

Speaker 10 (01:29:55):
Let me, let me, let me try to see if
I can pull these out individually.

Speaker 11 (01:29:59):
Here.

Speaker 6 (01:30:00):
Yeah, it'd be nice to see a few of them
up close where we can study them.

Speaker 10 (01:30:06):
I'm still here, just trying to see if I can.

Speaker 6 (01:30:08):
You so you're just like me. I mean, you don't
have any idea what these are for, what they're using
them for. They're obviously not going to shed.

Speaker 8 (01:30:16):
Rain, right right, But and I have thought, like you
mentioned earlier, if they're hunting, it will it will obscure
their profile, right, So they are.

Speaker 6 (01:30:25):
Because if you set one up, if they set one
up by a deer trail, they're going to be used
to that object there and then all I gotta do
to hunt deer is to stand behind it, and they're
just going to ignore it, and they're going to be
able to just nab deer when they walk by.

Speaker 8 (01:30:39):
Yeah, I think they can be used for that. The
first TP that I said, I recorded that on January sixth,
and I it's difficult to monetize any of this, and
I kind of have to because I'm spending a lot
of time on it and I'm actually running out of money,
which is okay. I think God has a plan and

(01:31:02):
this is nothing I ever expected or dreamed about growing up.
So and I think this audio is significant and I
personally believe it verifies many of the narratives of the
Old Testament, even the apocryphal texts before you know, we
Western religion minimized.

Speaker 10 (01:31:23):
The text.

Speaker 8 (01:31:25):
But it also, you know, supports my notion that this
is a supernatural sort of event. You know, people see
these beings appear before them as if out of nothing.
There's the blue that that's Bob Dagel. Bob Diagel's is
sort of the godfather of Michigan big foottery good Man

(01:31:45):
and has been studying He's been a student of this
subject for much longer than I have. He actually was
instrumental in helping me motivate myself to go out there
and actually do the work that I'm doing.

Speaker 10 (01:32:02):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I can't figure out a way to
get these to stop. I'm just playing.

Speaker 6 (01:32:06):
That's fine, you can, you can get out of it, Jeff,
I'm getting dizzy.

Speaker 10 (01:32:12):
Yeah, yeah, let me pull the images off. So but
again I put there's the website right there, so you know,
if you want to go look at his website there
there there, appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:32:24):
So do you feel that these creatures are dangerous? Do
you feel like you just don't know?

Speaker 8 (01:32:32):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:32:33):
I don't have any rapport with any particular like area
where you feel like you know they come around.

Speaker 8 (01:32:41):
Yeah, I'm certain they know of me. I shared with
you a video of what I captured on in the background.
It's a fifty one second black and white video. Jeff.
If you can see that, that would be a good one.

Speaker 10 (01:32:58):
Yeah, screen gets a whole long there. All I can
see is the date of the videos.

Speaker 8 (01:33:04):
Okay, this would be back in like twenty sixteen. It's
and you can you can Okay, it's backwards. Actually, the
way it's film but that subject back there moving is

(01:33:27):
a subject that I captured on video and I didn't
know I had captured it for four months. It looks
like it's got muscles, yeah, and it's you know that
particular footage. When you look at it, you can detect
the ocular recess, the auricular recess, and as it pivots
from right to left, you can see it's left arm

(01:33:49):
cast a shadow. Because it's briefly in my light. I
think it was like six tenths of a second that
that it was captured in my light. You can see
that a shadow cast on its buttocks by its left
arm as it pivots from the right to the left.
It's really fascinating. Not the best quality footage, but there's
enough there that shows movement, lights, that reveals the shape,

(01:34:12):
revealing the anatomical you know, features that I just described.

Speaker 10 (01:34:18):
All right, I think I got it here, give me
a second.

Speaker 8 (01:34:21):
I was asking if I've ever seen an upside down tree.

Speaker 10 (01:34:24):
I have not.

Speaker 8 (01:34:25):
However, I think I sent this to you, Doug some years.
There's a group here it is. I don't. I don't.
It's not my photo. I don't know. That's a great
way to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:34:36):
Look at all these.

Speaker 8 (01:34:37):
Yeah, it's it's crazy that's up on Lake Charlot Boy.
Uh they called they used to call it the uh oh,
there we have a video. Yeah, you'll be able to
see it better, all right, and play Jeff. That's the
raw footage. There subjects in the background. And this was

(01:35:07):
captured after I had a long stare down with Eyeshine,
which I determined in the duration of our impast there
that it had to have been one of these beings.
It never moved a millimeter for the longest time. We
must have stared at each other, well over five minutes,
maybe even over ten minutes, because eventually I broke the impasse,

(01:35:30):
grabbed my camera and flashlight, and within the first like
thirty seconds, I captured this. Nothing else after that. Maybe
have you.

Speaker 6 (01:35:41):
Had any kind of sighting James.

Speaker 8 (01:35:44):
Yeah, I had one. I have a You asked about
rapport if I developed any sort of rapport with these.
One of the clips I sent you, Jeff, is the
encounter of it was a Monday morning. It was October
twenty fourth, twenty twenty two, two nights after I recorded
the Michigan Valley Voices. So I'll play this and I

(01:36:07):
looped the audio, which is a vocalization from a guy
who was less than four feet tall. It was six
am Monday morning. It was raining. I heard this god
awful sound. I was in the deepest sleep I had
had in three nights and had been raining. I wasn't
sleeping well at all. And this little guy vocalized at me.

(01:36:30):
And it was scary. It was the scariest thing. I
thought at first it was a cougar because it sounded
to me like a hiss, like a gurgly, gravelly hiss.
And here, I'll play this.

Speaker 16 (01:36:47):
I gotta remember my Mica.

Speaker 8 (01:37:07):
My lady, so that bothers me a little bit. I
was shaken to the core. I waited two hours and
stayed my tent until I got a glimmer of light outside,
and I, you know, went to the car and made

(01:37:29):
it in town to get a little nourishment because I
decided that was enough. I had had enough. I didn't
feel really welcome, havn't been awakened in that way. And
I got some other audio before and after that. There
were multiple subjects around. Again. They passed through. They just
passed through, and this is okay, So you were in

(01:37:49):
your tent, yeah, yeah, And I don't. I don't tent
anymore with the rain fly on anymore because I do
get visitations and I need number one to assess the situation,
and I need that three sixty sort of. So I
just sleep under my the bug screen of my tent,
and I have a large tarp over over above, and
I can get out and walk around and have a

(01:38:11):
little more morning fire if it's raining. I have my
little propane campfire, which is very comforting. M yeah, uh,
but I kind of wish I had it going on
night because I needed that sleep that I was denied
At six am. I was enjoying such a deep sleep
and then awakened in that way. But that guy was

(01:38:31):
I rolled over and I saw him, and when I
rolled over and set eyes on him, he had just
moved back into it like a post position, just kind
of like whatent and and stayed very very much.

Speaker 6 (01:38:42):
Well, you describe what you saw exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:38:47):
I saw an upright humanoid looking thing. I quickly ruled
out cougar. I ruled out deer, especially after because I
saw it and it had step back and I could
see not a lot you can see shades of the
figure right, You could detect enough where it's darker between

(01:39:09):
the arms and the body, and the face was darker.
I had no detail of it whatsoever. It was six am,
still dark out at this year. There was still a
canopy of leaves above in the trees, so you know,
pretty bark, but enough ambient light that I could detect
that it was its shape and its general format. And

(01:39:30):
I extended my arm, I said, I said, well. First
I said, hey, it flinched, and I said get out
of here. And before my arm was fully extended, that
thing was gone. I heard maybe the first step after
that it was nothing. You couldn't hear anything leave when
you yelled, yeah, it did, And I said get out
of here and get in the chills thinking about it,

(01:39:51):
and I go back every year with some trepidation, knowing
that this kind of stuff happens and then will probably
happen again. I'm pretty certain. So long as I have
this habit of camping, you know, I will have more.

Speaker 6 (01:40:10):
Uh, well, let's talk about this hum. I want to
go back to the hum.

Speaker 8 (01:40:16):
Oh okay, I actually do know of a clip, and
actually you can hear it in that Jeff. It may
have been the first clip we heard about two thirds
through the middle. I'll put this up on the with
the spectrogram and uh, I'll indicate where it is. This
is called the Hanso file and the humming you'll see

(01:40:43):
on the spectrograph. This this uh amplitude right in there.
That is a big deep hum that you know, it
sounds kind of like a spaceship If.

Speaker 6 (01:40:55):
You ask me, can you can you play it from
your phone?

Speaker 8 (01:40:59):
Yeah? Sure, let me. We've heard that part before. We'll
get to the hum and I'll put it up. H h.

Speaker 10 (01:41:17):
H h.

Speaker 12 (01:41:22):
You hear that it overpowered your mic? Oh, I mean
that over it overpowers whatever you recorded with.

Speaker 8 (01:41:31):
Yeah, that's that hum. I suspect it's a vocal uh,
but it could be something else, could be spaceship for awl,
I know, no. And you notice down at the bottom
there's an intensified yellowing.

Speaker 6 (01:41:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:41:56):
And also it's sort of a darkening of the spectac
ram back background noise or the white noise. It makes
that kind of disappear. And I have a theory that
infrasound is part of a natural part of their speech.
It's a vocal modality. And I I think because of

(01:42:18):
the blackening of the background that if speech has an
infrasonic origin. It's employed so that perhaps we can't hear
it when they are around, because I've sensed vocals when
like the ten Minutes that I published two versions of,
I've sensed vocals and you can hear it. It's like

(01:42:38):
a like a resonance on your ear drums. And at
one point I was zapped vibratory very much. So I've
experienced the zappying in that in that encounter, and it
was very uncomfortable. It sounded like it's if the white
static the snow on the late night television as we

(01:43:00):
grew up on right that if that had a feeling,
that's what it felt like, that white static, And it
was very it was disorienting. It was uncomfortable. I can't
say it hurt, but it was very uncomfortable. But I
think it's a normal part of their vocalizations. You know
the Bible once mentions. I think it's second Deuteronomy two

(01:43:25):
verse twenty. People call the zamzu meme, and zamzumim is
an automatopoeia for their name is that it is a
buzzing or humming in Hebrew. So if this buzzing and
humming vocal modality is a thing, and it can be

(01:43:45):
maybe it's attributed to zamzumine. It's one one thought I've
had about the nature of these beings. Could they be
zamzumine because they buzz and hum.

Speaker 6 (01:43:56):
My older brother James, had some kind of a weird experience.
He used to do solo backpacking up in the Canadian
border area, like in the boundary waters. He would go
with rope, a knife, no water, no food, and he'd
be gone for a long time and he would have
these one square mile topography maps and he would go.

(01:44:23):
He just he was teaching himself survival and he did
that for years and one day he comes back and
he's freaked out, like really freaked out, and he wanted
to talk to my dad in private, and he literally
moved away. He sold his house right away, moved and

(01:44:45):
joined the Latter day Saints, somehow taking his experience as
a religious experience. In the woods, I think he came
face to face with a bigfoot, because he did describe
I did over here part of the conversation. And he
kept telling my dad how big and dark it was.

(01:45:05):
But you remember, he had no flashlight. He would go
without a flashlight so if you can imagine being out
in the middle of the forest and he did not
follow trails, he blazed his own trails and being face
to face with some big creature in the middle of
the night. And he came back and he he was

(01:45:30):
you know, Amn's a member. He was just really intelligent,
but he just couldn't accept maybe that he just had
met accidentally with maybe a bigfoot. To him, it was
a religious experience. Does that make sense? He basically the
Mormon religion filled you know, the writings and stuff kind

(01:45:51):
of filled the bill for him. And he devoted his
life to that church and gave all gave away everything
he owned.

Speaker 8 (01:46:01):
Patents, all in. He was always all in because of
that one beautiful thing. I admire that.

Speaker 6 (01:46:08):
Yeah, well, but you kind of like you, I mean,
you're looking for you know, religious tie ins, and that's
that's great.

Speaker 8 (01:46:15):
You know, I really wasn't looking for religious times. I
had no idea because I went through this and just
based on my evidence alone, this is this is the
conclusion I've come to. The Only thing that makes sense
to me is that which we've already been told, and
we were told about these in the apocryphal texts. Uh

(01:46:35):
I believe they are part of an you know and
unseen super.

Speaker 6 (01:46:39):
Would be cool if you'd ever want to come back
and actually get all that stuff ready and to go
through it with us, that would be really interesting.

Speaker 8 (01:46:47):
Well, it's my entire journey that has led me to
believe what I do. Now.

Speaker 6 (01:46:53):
You think they're like they're nephlum some type.

Speaker 8 (01:46:57):
Of I think some could be. I don't know. I
don't think by and largest like the beans in the
Michigan Valley Voices and that other thirty five second clip
with it with the clicking and the vocals and all that.
I don't believe they're nefhlie at all.

Speaker 6 (01:47:11):
I'm going to.

Speaker 8 (01:47:12):
Remember they were giants and men of renown. Really, who
have we known in history men of renown that are bigfoot?
We don't. So the other component of that is actually
the sons of God. Then we can get into angelic
and demonic discussions, and I think it's all very appropriate

(01:47:33):
until you know, we don't know until we meet our
maker know. But it's just, you know, it's coincidental that
my biblical studies over the past twenty some years and
my understanding of this phenomenon, it just seems to be
such a perfect match, and I think the answers are

(01:47:54):
in there, and I think they can be found.

Speaker 6 (01:47:55):
Well, I find it interesting your name's James, and my
brother's name was James.

Speaker 8 (01:48:00):
And you're contested earlier with James.

Speaker 6 (01:48:03):
But but okay, so I'm going to have his son
on I think on October twenty second, and he's an
expert in Mormon history and he obviously my brother's son,
and he's gonna give us a lot you know, he's
gonna dump a lot of information on us. Yeah, you're

(01:48:24):
don't want to tune into that show, James, But but
I do get it, you know, because we're faced with
this creature we haven't really discovered yet, but we have discovered,
we know they're there.

Speaker 8 (01:48:37):
Well, if you look at the totality of the evidence
the case closed over exists, Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 6 (01:48:45):
It's overwhelming.

Speaker 8 (01:48:47):
It makes you how to take him.

Speaker 6 (01:48:49):
But I do know this that personally, I've just approached
it with a very relaxed attitude of I don't know anything.
That's I'm not even trying to look for answers, just
trying to gather as much evidence as I can and
raise the bar and awareness of their existence perfect. That's

(01:49:13):
all I'm trying to do, just raise the bar of
their existence and not tell anybody what they are, because
I have no idea.

Speaker 8 (01:49:21):
Nor do I. It's just where I what I've been
led to believe is, you know, influenced by what I've
experienced on my own, my own evidence alone, and what
I've read in the Bible. Sir, That's just where I
am right now.

Speaker 6 (01:49:36):
So do you believe that you could get together some
you know, actual things ready to read and we could
do a show on that.

Speaker 8 (01:49:47):
And yeah, I'm actually sure about reading. I need to
get off my lazy bumb and actually write. I enjoy writing,
but I haven't done it in a good long time.

Speaker 6 (01:50:01):
But if you gather and make photo copies where you
could read or mark a Bible, it would be interesting
to do a show on that.

Speaker 8 (01:50:11):
Okay, yeah, well let me let me let me you know,
let let me sit on that for a while. I am.
Recently I've been thinking about doing an angel versus demon
kind of because I have things that sound both angelic
and demonic. And this is where I'm coming from when
I'm saying that, I think we're dealing with different beings
a wide spectrum of beans of this night time existence,

(01:50:39):
you know, And what does it all mean?

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
Now?

Speaker 8 (01:50:42):
I can make a case both ways that they are
angelic or demonic. I can't make a case that there's
some reclusive ape out that you have. You have to
be and uh, I've been influenced by others when I
first got into this, you know, I just really wanted
to see one. And when you're going down the rabbit hole,

(01:51:06):
oh uh, the answer, Saint Croix, I just do my
thing camping. They know I'm poking around their area during
the day. When I go back to camp, they come
visit you.

Speaker 6 (01:51:16):
You don't do wood knocking or anything.

Speaker 8 (01:51:18):
Like that I have, I'd be I'd be lying if
I said I hadn't. But I maybe three times in
my life, and that was way early when I when
I discovered this wood knocking. They all sound very crisp
and consistent and not like you know it does. It
didn't sound They all sound the same. If you're out

(01:51:39):
in the woods you have a stick in a tree,
you know, you really got to have the same stick
in the same tree to make that crisp, clear, uh sound.
And that's why I think they're vocals. It's like a clock,
you know, one of those except louder.

Speaker 6 (01:51:55):
Have you heard the tribes that talk with the clicking
and the popping I have.

Speaker 8 (01:52:00):
It's fascinating, Yeah, it truly is. And I think we,
you know, you and I could even train ourselves to
do that, because these are Homo sapien sapiens right making
these sounds the other to the extent that I've recorded
the same thing out in the wildness. They're far too complex.
We can't. We can't, especially when coupled with conventional speech

(01:52:20):
and other like the low vocal weird stuff. It's all
when it's all encapsulated together, it's you know, it's well
beyond our ability. And I've always thought since I got
into this, if evolution is a thing, these beans have
been around a lot longer than we are, because there

(01:52:41):
they never lost their ability to withstand all the climbs
of the Earth right, all climates of the planet. I
believe these beans live in our watersheds. They're all over
the world, And then I agree, could be. I don't know,

(01:53:03):
but that that also proceed presumes you know that we
were we evolved. I'm not sure that we have the
very existence of these beings gives their you know, gives life,
and it verifies many of the Old Testament and apocryphal
texts that the writing's there. So you know, that's just

(01:53:24):
where I am right now. In part of my A
D D. I'm certain I've gone off on a tangent.

Speaker 6 (01:53:30):
Do you feel that you didn't really answer the question?
And whether you feel ever fa.

Speaker 8 (01:53:37):
Back then please that you've ever felt in danger?

Speaker 6 (01:53:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:53:43):
I did. I mean the ten minutes of audio that
I published. Both clips are titled they begin within their midst.
One is Warning High Strangers not for the faint of heart,
and the other is in their Midst ten minutes uninterrupted.
And that last one I mentioned is the lesser filtered

(01:54:03):
of the two. I published both because in the excessively
filtered or modulated clip, you hear things that you cannot
hear well or very easily in the less filtered clips.
So both clips are educational in that they tell you
you know that something's going on. One sacrifices some things

(01:54:28):
you heard in the first to the benefit of hearing
things in the background that you couldn't hear otherwise, like
the on the overmodulated encounter in their midst Warning High Strangers,
not for the faint heart. In that one, if you
go to the three minute thirty second mark, there you

(01:54:48):
will hear EBENOPSI super cool. It's one of my field. Yeah,
I have not done the E MF. Meters Kenny, I've
not done that. I'm self funded and uh and I'm
at the end of my rope with fundingness because I

(01:55:10):
found out that you just go out with a you know,
an inexperienced or you know, just a cheap recorder, not
too cheap. It's about a buck thirty, buck fifty, depending
on where.

Speaker 6 (01:55:22):
You get what what recorder do you use?

Speaker 8 (01:55:24):
James, this is the Olympus DM seven twenty. That's most
It's small, it's withstood some rain. They're durable. I've been
pleased with it. The reason I had this one number one,
Christopher Nowell sent me his version of this. I used
that for the first time that night, started buying my

(01:55:45):
own and hasts off to him for encouraging me, to
sort of cajoling me. Actually they get into the recording project.
I really didn't want to do it at first because
I knew it was going to be a ton of work,
and by nature of course I'm a guy, I'm late,
and I've got other things I'd rather be doing, fishing
for one.

Speaker 6 (01:56:04):
See, Jeff, could you send David Ellis a link join
us just in case he wants to come in?

Speaker 10 (01:56:13):
Can do.

Speaker 8 (01:56:15):
So.

Speaker 6 (01:56:16):
I'm sure he's just biting his cheek right now.

Speaker 10 (01:56:20):
I wanted to come in.

Speaker 8 (01:56:21):
We're gonna stoke the fire here a little bit, all right,
getting a little chili, Doug.

Speaker 6 (01:56:27):
Yeah, we've never had anybody do the podcast by a fire.

Speaker 10 (01:56:36):
Happening, Jeff, not that I remember. That's pretty cool. I
love it.

Speaker 8 (01:56:39):
Oh well, we loved our We love our fires. That
should do it, especially on chili evenings like this. We're
getting down the low forties, which is nothing for you guys. Jeff,
are you also in Minnesota?

Speaker 10 (01:56:56):
Yeah, I'm about twenty minutes from Doug. So I'm from
Arthy or I'm from a few I'm from pretty close
to the Canadian borders, so I mean I'm used to long,
cold winters.

Speaker 8 (01:57:06):
Okay, yeah, good, thanks for stronger men.

Speaker 10 (01:57:10):
Yeah, all right, I just sent a link to David.

Speaker 6 (01:57:15):
All right, So we just sent one to Dave just
in case he wants to join.

Speaker 8 (01:57:19):
That'd be great.

Speaker 6 (01:57:21):
So where, I mean, where do we go from here?
What do you mean, what are your goals? What do
you think the rest of the researchers should.

Speaker 8 (01:57:31):
Be doing well. I would love for more people to
do what I have done, and I'm happy to help
anybody that's interested in doing this kind of project. There
are little things that you need to be aware of
that are easily overlooked when reviewing audio, like little snips,

(01:57:52):
little clicks that may have the what I call a
harmonic resonant vote modality. It's it's quieter than the din
of nature, if you will, but you can hear it,
and and and when you're they are in your presence
and they're speaking with one another, you can actually sense it.

(01:58:12):
And that's that that resonance that I was experiencing. Yeah,
totality of that, it's truly undeniable. Yeah, any court of
law would would agree with that. But we have science
getting in the way of total acceptance of these beings.

Speaker 6 (01:58:36):
Scientists haven't exactly done us any good have yet.

Speaker 8 (01:58:41):
Uns on the science except.

Speaker 6 (01:58:43):
Jeff and and Grover and generally the ones that poo
poo without looking at the evidence, driving nuts.

Speaker 8 (01:58:53):
Yeah, well, you have to have an open mind, doctor
Meldrum did to an extent. I shared some stuff with them,
he said, I'm sorry, I just don't associate with this
with with sasquash vocalizations. I think we need to look
beyond that sphere of what we know already because Ron
Moorehead's vocalizations, which most people you know, it's like that's

(01:59:16):
kind of like the gold standard accepted gold standards. However,
it hasn't been repeated ever to my knowledge. I've gotten
some stuff that sound like his that's somewhat reminiscent, but
the stuff here in Michigan is really quite different. But
I've recorded also in Ohio and of course in Richfield, Minnesota,

(01:59:39):
as you know, in the vocal vocal elements.

Speaker 6 (01:59:44):
Could you play the Richfield Oh yeah, sure, we haven't
done that yet.

Speaker 8 (01:59:48):
This is this is cool stuff and there is definitely talking.

Speaker 10 (01:59:57):
The audio actor sounds pretty good coming from your phone.
Oh good, glad you real that it's pretty clear?

Speaker 8 (02:00:01):
All right, So I'm gonna play the first the twenty second.
This is the wahait. I think it sounds like we'll
find out here in a second.

Speaker 6 (02:00:15):
I put it, put the mic right up to the
base of the phone.

Speaker 8 (02:00:22):
Yeah, I am So that's wah heat or wait or
something like that. Uh, the other one? This is the.

Speaker 6 (02:00:37):
Where's the rich field?

Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
That was?

Speaker 8 (02:00:39):
One?

Speaker 14 (02:00:40):
That was?

Speaker 8 (02:00:41):
That was? I have two on my phone. I've got
other stuff.

Speaker 6 (02:00:46):
Have you ever gotten any prints?

Speaker 8 (02:00:48):
Oh? Yeah, someone asked I. I have recorded prints on video.
I have never cast any, although I have. I forget
what the name of it is. It's not traditional plaster.
It's the the newfangled stuff. I carry it with me
just in case I find some. I've found him.

Speaker 14 (02:01:09):
I want two.

Speaker 8 (02:01:13):
Four times I've found prints that a three out of
the four were castable. I just didn't do it. I
see him, I marvel at him, and I move on.

Speaker 6 (02:01:27):
And how do you clarify audio? Do you use a
certain software?

Speaker 8 (02:01:31):
I'm using the job audition, and uh, it works for me.
I've I've had to teach myself everything I know, you know,
on how to I could use some help. I'm certain
I'm probably limiting my repertoire by my by my ignorance.

(02:01:55):
I just I learned to do what I need to
do to have an n result. That sounds good. Uh,
not too you know, not too muddled or you know,
muted through the process. Let's listen to the huss and
yacht something like that. Here.

Speaker 6 (02:02:35):
Good.

Speaker 8 (02:02:37):
That was yeah good. Those two vocals were captured at
what they I call the classroom. It was labeled classroom.
There was actually a sign on it saying this is
the classroom. Did not add or take anything away from it.
That makes me chuckle because it leads people to believe that,

(02:02:58):
you know, the staff there do it. And there are
kids that come in here and play. And I saw
the kids while I was there, playing amidst these structures. Uh,
and their parents that are none the wiser. You know,
it makes me a little nervous seeing kids there, but
you know, knowing what I know, but you know, they're there,

(02:03:20):
and they're right there in front of us. They're on trails,
they're just off trails. Sometimes they're deep in the woods.

Speaker 6 (02:03:28):
So what do you what are your thoughts on why
the Midwest is so pooh poohed by so many early researchers.
I mean, the entire Midwest was just like Peter Burn,
he would just basically, no way they live, you know,
east of the Mississippi River. They just don't.

Speaker 8 (02:03:49):
They do, and they do in great numbers. Well, it's understandable.
Back in the day, we really didn't know much about
this phenomenon. What I found, just by my own observation
as well as my own evidence, is they you can
go into any watershed I've I've been in Troy, look
at poking around in certain you know greenways, green spaces,

(02:04:10):
and these green spaces are connected not by a river
or stream, but like like a drainage ditch, so they
move around. I had I had someone contact me a
few months ago, one of my patrons to my spring store.
Thank thank you very much, Jenny for your purchase. And uh,

(02:04:32):
she she saw one in uh Saint Clair Shores. Yeah,
I live in gross Pointe, which is at the mouth
of the Detroit River. Further up the shore is Saint
Clair Shores, and she told me she saw one, and
I went and looked, and at the inn there are
intersections of railways and the drainage ditches that would provide

(02:04:58):
access easy ingress and egress into Saint Clair Shores. You'd
never think it, but you know, they like you and
I agree, Doug, they're on the edges. Yeah, they really are,
and they move and you know, back to the apocryphal text,
you know, first Enoch refers to the two beans, not
saying these beings although I'm thinking they are these beings

(02:05:20):
as the watchers, and what do these beans do they watch?
They just they watch us all the time. They observe,
and what are they doing with their observations and what
they've learned through watching us? Do they get together and
have these council meetings? And it is God present who?
I don't know, but that it seems to be a

(02:05:41):
plausible explanation based on what's available to us now in
the apocryphal texts as well as you know there are
references also.

Speaker 6 (02:05:50):
How did you avoid my question, Jane?

Speaker 8 (02:05:52):
Oh, I say, bring me back, I may do.

Speaker 6 (02:05:56):
I was asking you about why the Midwest is a
great oh is a good habitat? You went off in
some text, by the way, Flat corrected me. Yes, it
was west of the east of the of the Rocky mountains,
is what Peter burn He just thought there was no bigfoots,
you know, east of the Rockies. And of course I

(02:06:18):
always thought that was really silly. But he was just
dead on that. But then Flat said he loosened up
after in his later years.

Speaker 8 (02:06:27):
Well that's good, because you have to if new evidence
is brought forward to you. And I'm certain that Burne
didn't read Daniel Boone's testimony. Yeah, you know, Daniel Boone
claims to have shot one in Kentucky or Ohio or
wherever he was at the time. They are everywhere.

Speaker 6 (02:06:48):
Yeah, and and and so they're not rare like people think.
I mean, the Midwest I think is amazing habitat for
these things. We have the l's, we have tons of water,
thick forest or forests are thick, thick, thick. I know,
there's areas that you go to that would seem more

(02:07:11):
friendly to walking around, And why wouldn't they prefer that also? Right,
I think the deer do.

Speaker 12 (02:07:18):
I don't think most animals like to be in the thick,
thick crap where you can't even move.

Speaker 6 (02:07:25):
I mean, it just makes sense.

Speaker 8 (02:07:27):
Yeah, no, I totally agree.

Speaker 6 (02:07:28):
I mean, like you, you showed an area that was
not even far from a playground that you walked into
the forest, deep into the forest there, but the forest
was very brush free. Yeah, and there were stick structures
like crazy.

Speaker 8 (02:07:45):
Yeah, that sounds like the Southfield power of vic Woods Park.
You know, anybody here. I went there Sunday, I'd mentioned
that earlier, and I went to an area just west
of the playground which had a very high constant tration
of structures a new one, and a week after week
they would change. I went back Sunday, None were there.

(02:08:06):
They were not. There was nothing there except on a
different off a different side of the playground, there was
a structure I found. That was one of the three
new ones that I found. And I also found a
little baby structure. I'll give you a picture of that.

Speaker 6 (02:08:22):
Yeah. Well that's the other thing too. I agree with
you on you were talking about these baby ones because
many many that I've found, there's like an exact duplicate
of the big one and it's just tiny.

Speaker 8 (02:08:35):
Yeah, and somehow central support others do not. This is
this is actually about a four and a half foot
tall structure. Yeah, but just off the playground.

Speaker 6 (02:08:45):
So that's a tiny one.

Speaker 8 (02:08:46):
Yeah, super tiny. Oh and I found even smaller ones
actually within like a TP within a TP, which also
suggests to me the the that there are juveniles present.
If I can quickly grab that, it's a neat little photo.
It's here somewhere.

Speaker 10 (02:09:12):
Well, I just David made a comment here. David, I
did send it to the right, uh, to the other
email editors. So David is going to join us here great,
I'll bring I'll bring him honest woo as soon as
he checks in.

Speaker 8 (02:09:24):
Okay, I haven't spied it yet. So here it is.
So you'll see around up Here is the bigger TP
and there's a little tiny one.

Speaker 6 (02:09:39):
Closer, James, you're pretty far away from your camera. There
you go, There we go.

Speaker 8 (02:09:43):
There's a little one. Now you see a red paint
on there?

Speaker 6 (02:09:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:09:47):
Uh, that I noticed in the valley that red paint
was maybe I don't know, five miles away. You know
that the four service I presume were marking tree is
for demolition or whatever. So somehow it was literally miles away.
Maybe it's less, but it's a long way off. And

(02:10:09):
it's interesting to see that that red paint make its
way into you know, one of these structures to build
a little structure.

Speaker 6 (02:10:17):
And you ever do you study the ends that they're
all broken or naturally broken sticks?

Speaker 8 (02:10:23):
I I know the litmus test there is if you
see saw cuts that you're going to think they're survival structure,
debris shelter, survival structure. I witnessed both, and I you know,
the only way for me to verify is to leave
the recorder and see what I get. I get verifying
vocal elements. I'm going to stick to the story that
they made they made these things because a lot of

(02:10:45):
places I go to you can't camp in, you know,
it's just you know, you know very well.

Speaker 6 (02:10:51):
Yeah, but leaving a recorder for a day or two
is just a great way to find out if there's activity.

Speaker 8 (02:10:56):
I love it. It's very passive. I call it passive
audio observation. And truly, the longer I do this, I'm
developing a you know, insights into a culture of an
ancient people or something.

Speaker 6 (02:11:13):
But we still haven't talked. We still haven't answered a
question about habitat. Well, why do you think the Midwest
is so amazing? What do you think?

Speaker 8 (02:11:26):
Well, I think it's Uh, it's verdant.

Speaker 14 (02:11:31):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:11:31):
There's so much agricultural around. The waterways are extensive. It
includes the Mississippi you know watershed, which is huge. If
you look at it on a map, it's it covers
half the country.

Speaker 14 (02:11:45):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:11:46):
And I believe that their survival depends on the waterway as.

Speaker 6 (02:11:50):
Much as the house does.

Speaker 8 (02:11:52):
You know?

Speaker 6 (02:11:52):
One second Jeff to send it to his messenger.

Speaker 10 (02:11:54):
I just did. I just did. You should be getting
any second here?

Speaker 8 (02:12:00):
And who wouldn't want to live in Michigan, right or Minnesota.
It's they're very they're very much alike.

Speaker 6 (02:12:07):
So what do you think the population of these creatures.

Speaker 8 (02:12:10):
In millions worldwide?

Speaker 6 (02:12:13):
In Michigan, Oh, it includes Upper.

Speaker 8 (02:12:15):
And Lower it's into the thousands. I would say at
least a couple few thousand in the Upper Peninsula, and
probably an equal number of maybe if not more, you know,
in the Lower Peninsula. I once hired Cliff Barrittman. He
was here in West Branch doing a He was part
of a conference up in West Branch, and I hired

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him the next day on his way to the airport.
So I was instrumental in getting them to the airport
and picking them up halfway from between here and West Branch.
But he estimated that there were probably two hundred in Michigan.
And I can't believe that because I have had I
find these structures all over the place on the woodlands

(02:13:00):
and watersheds, and when I record, I usually get something,
And I can't believe that I'm that lucky if there
were only two hundred of these beings around the state.
They're awfully busy making structures Number one, number two, you know,
they're awfully lonely too, and how if there were only
two hundred, how could they even survive? You know, you

(02:13:24):
got to repopulate an.

Speaker 6 (02:13:26):
Interesting experiment you can do and I've done this. You
take about seven or eight sticks and you lay them
on the ground and you come back the next day,
like early in the morning. You come back early in
the morning and see if those sticks are back, and
almost every case the sticks have been put back.

Speaker 8 (02:13:43):
That's amazing.

Speaker 6 (02:13:44):
So you can just do that. I mean it's I
don't think I don't think they care. You just pull
you know something, aren't wolven In, put them on the ground,
and then go back the next morning see if they're
back in place.

Speaker 8 (02:13:56):
Yeah. Well that's a great idea. It changes all the time,
like the abundance of structures that I well.

Speaker 6 (02:14:05):
I know there's some National parks James where they're driving
these structures are driving the Forbes Service crazy.

Speaker 8 (02:14:14):
Really Oh yeah, I've used a lot of them.

Speaker 6 (02:14:18):
Have rewards to capture the people that are doing this,
And I've seen on the news where they're just like
what the and they'll tear them down. In the next
day they're all built again, and they're just they're driving
the game wardens or whoever manages the forest crazy.

Speaker 8 (02:14:36):
It's baffling, Yeah, it is. It's absolutely baffling, especially if
you don't have any knowledge of this subject and it's intricacies.

Speaker 10 (02:14:45):
David, Jeff, good to see you.

Speaker 1 (02:14:54):
Good to see you, Good to be seeing.

Speaker 6 (02:14:56):
I figured you were biting your cheek.

Speaker 1 (02:14:59):
It's a long that story. I'll call you tomorrow and
tell you about over an hour it'll take. I imagine
what the heck's going on? But my computer is revolting.
Oh no, yeah, I've got some workarounds. But that's what
I was doing it.

Speaker 6 (02:15:16):
You know, you just want to ring the next of
whoever develops these computers because they're so vulnerable to the
software glitches, viral attacks.

Speaker 1 (02:15:28):
And my main email just quit working. In the email
that hasn't been working started working.

Speaker 6 (02:15:36):
Well, it's because a lot of times you get all
these updates that you don't want.

Speaker 1 (02:15:41):
Yeah, I guess something.

Speaker 6 (02:15:42):
My Mac gets updated. It says, okay, I'm just looking
at these things from the last ten minutes. Two updates
just come in in ten minutes on my on my
Mac computer, and it's like, can you guys just stop?
Yeah it works, leave it alone.

Speaker 1 (02:16:01):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't want to go to Windows eleven.
That's how far behind I was.

Speaker 6 (02:16:07):
No another message, I'm just watching this real time. Please
confirm uh, your your Mac password to continue using eye cloud.
I'm not using eye cloud first off, so it's just
a constant.

Speaker 1 (02:16:23):
Sorry, James didn't mean to hijack your No.

Speaker 8 (02:16:25):
No, I don't say more than merrier.

Speaker 6 (02:16:29):
So okay. So he recorded some percussive type sounds and yeah,
we had a hard time playing them obviously, Yeah, but
I know we could hear them. Well.

Speaker 1 (02:16:41):
The one that I did here was very definitely percussive,
yasure what I fits the category that I've been.

Speaker 6 (02:16:49):
Why are they doing it though, David, what are your
theories and why do they make these?

Speaker 1 (02:16:55):
If you cut my comment that in the research that
I've done for the book that the clicking uh was
a precursor to speech for humans as we were developing
there our our speech patterns. So it's uh, it has
an interesting history and a tie to us. And then

(02:17:17):
that was followed up by mimicry. So those are two
things that I follow, you know, with with Bigfoot, and
when I get audio recordings from folks across the country
that are similar to what I've recorded.

Speaker 6 (02:17:33):
Okay, so but what do you think, what do you
think they're doing? Why are they doing this type.

Speaker 1 (02:17:39):
Of Well, it could be it could be, like I said,
a precursor to speech, the first earliest of uh, you know,
clicks could be construed as consonants, and some of the
huffs and puffs that you hear in the in the
percussive speech are are would be the vowels. So, and

(02:18:02):
I don't know, have you heard the Tilda cut that
I have. She's a orangutan and German zoo.

Speaker 6 (02:18:10):
Oh I have? Yeah, yeah, we talked about this a
while ago.

Speaker 1 (02:18:14):
Right, yeah, I think we've even played it. But she
definitely uses percussive speech. So that's just why I hang
my hat on it that it's a primate thing. And
the fascinating part is that it's it's the beginning stages
of speech proto speech, if you will.

Speaker 6 (02:18:32):
Well, what did you think of James recordings? I think
I sent him to I don't even remember. It was
a little while.

Speaker 1 (02:18:38):
Oh yeah, No, That's why I wanted to sit down
with James and do a recording of you know, what
what he's been doing and how he's captured her and
it's a great story. We should let him tell it.
He's sitting right here.

Speaker 8 (02:18:55):
In the woods. Just wanted to That's how I got started.

Speaker 6 (02:18:58):
Would you please interview him?

Speaker 14 (02:19:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:19:01):
Please?

Speaker 8 (02:19:04):
Talking about clicks and clacks. I have a twelve second
clip here. It was captured the same night as the
Hanso footage. That's the footage of the audio that was
overlaid on the video of my walking through that wallow.
I'd like to play that now because it has some
clacks in it in class, but it also has conventional
speech and some of the weird, more esoteric stuff. Yeah,

(02:19:40):
play it one more times before that target shot till
you have that clicking clacking.

Speaker 1 (02:19:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:19:54):
Yeah, So that sounds like.

Speaker 1 (02:19:56):
One of my recordings. I mean, you could put them
back to that and you can.

Speaker 6 (02:20:01):
Where was yours recorded, David Washington?

Speaker 1 (02:20:04):
Yeah, in the Cascade Mountains in the bumping area.

Speaker 6 (02:20:09):
Well the good news, David, Your mic sounds so superb
oh good.

Speaker 11 (02:20:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:20:15):
I wonder who got that. It just showed up on
my doorstep one day, I think when somebody was frustrated
with my.

Speaker 10 (02:20:25):
Weirds.

Speaker 6 (02:20:26):
Yeah happens around here. Yeah, so James, will you hear
these crazy they're almost it's like violent talking.

Speaker 8 (02:20:40):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 6 (02:20:41):
It's like it's so otherworldly though.

Speaker 1 (02:20:44):
David, Yeah, yeah it is. And what's really weird is
that my recording happened in two thousand and seven. When
did you record yours? James?

Speaker 8 (02:20:56):
The most recent one?

Speaker 6 (02:20:57):
I that one day.

Speaker 8 (02:20:58):
You just played August eleventh, twenty twenty, and.

Speaker 1 (02:21:03):
They're almost identical. So here we got something in Michigan
that sounds like that makes sounds like that, and I've
got something recorded here in Washington State beautiful. Yeah, yeah,
fifteen years prior to this.

Speaker 6 (02:21:21):
Wow, is there a way you can play? We should
have these probably on hand for audiences, because he says
he's heard this hum.

Speaker 1 (02:21:34):
Yeah, I heard what James played. That would be a
variation on what we're we're kind of following, Doug, which
is sounds more like a humming bird.

Speaker 6 (02:21:49):
Have you ever heard this hummingbird sound, James, I've heard.

Speaker 8 (02:21:53):
I've heard short bits of humming bird hums. I once recorded.
Usually I'm recording on BCBA, the voice activated mode, but
I didn't I didn't change the setting, and I was
voic I ended up recording thirteen straight hours. Uh, and
it was like, oh God, and I'm glad I did it,

(02:22:16):
although it was painful getting through. I'm glad I did
it because in that footage I have one of those
little buzzy hummys like, yeah, it's just so, I mean,
it doesn't sounds exactly like a humming bird.

Speaker 10 (02:22:29):
Uh, this is night.

Speaker 8 (02:22:30):
I'm pretty sure the hummingbirds aren't out at night. I
don't know for sure, but I know they're active at
dawn at dusk. But yeah, that that that's a component.
It's just one of the vocal expressions or modalities if
you will, that they only they know how to use,
of course, And it's interesting, like with this past example,

(02:22:52):
you have both the conventional speech and that clickie kluckie
stuff in there with it.

Speaker 1 (02:22:58):
Yeah, I think, and just subjective opinion that some of
the hums go below our hearing, which goes into infrasound.

Speaker 10 (02:23:12):
Which can no doubt about it have certain.

Speaker 1 (02:23:15):
Effects on people, and some of those can be calming,
which is interesting that they might want to calm us
down because we might not be reacting the way that
they want us to react. I guess.

Speaker 8 (02:23:36):
You know.

Speaker 6 (02:23:37):
There's been a number of studies lately on the effects
of humming on dopamine and serotonin and all sorts of
good health effects.

Speaker 1 (02:23:53):
There was a recording that Paul Graves sent to me.
They had an interesting situation a couple of years ago
that they recorded something came in the camp and just
created all kinds of havoc and they got it recorded.
I've got a clip of that. But about ten minutes later,

(02:24:17):
there is that hummingbird buzz sound that is very definitely heard,
and Paul noticed that he hadn't heard about the hum
and when I told him that it's a sound that
we're following, he got really interested in He's the one
that found that article about Missus Caulfield in British Columbia

(02:24:39):
that was washing her clothes at a river she heard
a hummingbird sound. She looked up looking for the hummingbird
and there stood a sasquatch making this buzzing sound. So
we had a physical eye to it. But what's interesting
about Paul's cases that he told me that that he

(02:25:01):
went right back to sleep after this huge ruckus in
the tent camping area that should have kept him awake
all night, but he said he fell into the deepest
sleep that he had had in a long long time.
So he kind of attributed it to that buzzing sound

(02:25:21):
or thought it could be a possibility, and that's when
I kind of came up with the idea that that
probably slipped into the infrasound range and had some sort
of effect. Like you said, Doug it, Yeah, the serotonin
and the dope can being heightened, which would create that
very relaxed sensation.

Speaker 6 (02:25:44):
Very interesting. Do you disagreed, David? You know that there's
probably thousands in some of the states, like your state,
Michigan is a great example of a very wooded state,
very heavy forested.

Speaker 1 (02:26:01):
On thousands, I would say yes. But what's interesting that
I just came across the other day that just blew
my mind. There's a process called fit coal, which yeah,
I hadn't heard of it either before, but it has

(02:26:22):
something to do with the process of an analyzing genetics
going back into history, and this study found by through
three thirty five hundred people that they analyzed that their
DNA had a bottleneck, and that bottleneck happened around nine

(02:26:46):
hundred thousand years ago, and our human population dwindled down
to twelve hundred people or humans.

Speaker 6 (02:26:58):
Or what you're talking wide.

Speaker 10 (02:27:01):
Yeah, yeah, were almost extinct. I know he's talking about amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:27:07):
Not only did we go down the twelve hundred what
do you want to call it people, but that period
lasted one hundred thousand years, So for one hundred thousand years,
there was only like twelve hundred humans on the planet.

Speaker 10 (02:27:26):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (02:27:28):
I have more people than that in my in my yard.

Speaker 14 (02:27:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:27:33):
Well then I looked up that got me curious. How
many gorillas are there in existence? One hundred thousand?

Speaker 6 (02:27:42):
Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it's really crazy to think about it.

Speaker 1 (02:27:49):
You think about gorillas, which are the Western and the
Eastern gorilla are on the Endangered Watching endangered watch lists. Yeah, yeah,
you're right, Jeff, it almost went poof.

Speaker 10 (02:28:03):
Yeah to me, it's a it's an incredible it's worth
looking into. I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 8 (02:28:08):
It.

Speaker 10 (02:28:08):
I read that too. It's yeah, that's shocking. We made it.

Speaker 6 (02:28:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:28:13):
Yeah, for one hundred thousand years, we just plunked along
a twelve hundred of us and all of a sudden
something happened and we took off again.

Speaker 10 (02:28:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:28:24):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:28:25):
Yeah, so you relate that to Bigfoot when people say
there can't be there can only be so many, and
you go, well, that's not enough. They'll go extinct that
if that's all there is, if we can survive with
twelve hundred of us.

Speaker 6 (02:28:43):
Yeah, that's a really good point.

Speaker 8 (02:28:45):
Do they all look like us? Or were there Asian?

Speaker 1 (02:28:49):
They were idel Homo heidel brigensis, so yeah, they kind
of looked like us, but we evolved from that line.
From that evolved into Denos and then Neanderthals.

Speaker 10 (02:29:10):
So fairly recent, not not too archaic, but not quite
modern humans, right right.

Speaker 1 (02:29:18):
So I just thought that was interesting.

Speaker 6 (02:29:22):
So SCURVILLI Sasquatch wants.

Speaker 8 (02:29:24):
To dog man. I've not had the experience with the
dog Man that I know of, although I do believe
I may have recorded some.

Speaker 1 (02:29:37):
Uh, James, what what makes you kind of come to
that conclusion rather than Sasquatch?

Speaker 8 (02:29:44):
The nature of the vocalizations. I believe they both well,
I know that one speaks. I don't know about the
dog man. I suspect that they do speak. I hope
never to have an experience with with the dog man.
They sound absolutely terrifying to me, and I've already been
through enough terrifying moments, you know, and with with the

(02:30:07):
big foot sasquat, right, So I don't know. I do
believe that I've recorded something and that most recent vocals,
vocals that I just played, that could be dog Man.
As a matter of fact, that night, the Hanzo file
was captured as well, and uh, you hear what is
the Hanso file. The Hanso was the the the audio

(02:30:31):
overlaid on the video that I'm walking through the wall,
and in that you hear barking. You hear one of
these subjects bark loudly as it moves off, and you
can tell that it's proximalit talk.

Speaker 6 (02:30:42):
Because don't these creatures kind of do that kind of
a bark rowl, kind of a.

Speaker 10 (02:30:50):
You know that?

Speaker 6 (02:30:51):
David, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (02:30:55):
Well, I don't know. I I don't know that. Uh,
what people have recorded and sent me is a possible
dog Man. I've got wars and short vocals that are
kind of gruff, but I don't know. I'm interested in

(02:31:17):
the dog Man mostly because of there's history and stuff
through the coming up the Mississippi River as it flows north.
I think a lot of the sightings are off of
tributaries that feed into the Mississippi, So I think that

(02:31:38):
there is something there, whether it's mythological or shape shifting God,
I hope not.

Speaker 8 (02:31:52):
I'm sorry, go ahead, No, they are part of the
unseen realm, the supernatural existence that very well could be
in our worst fears, our real life. You know, I
don't know. I haven't had a direct experience like that.
I do have another example. Go ahead, Jeff, please.

Speaker 10 (02:32:06):
Well, I'm just going to say I'm with you that
I don't want to see when I think pretty universal
anyone that's had an experienced with dog Man, it was
not a pleasant, friendly, peaceful experience. They I've taught. You know,
I'm I'm not as interested in dog Man, but the
people I've talked to that are true believers, it terrified

(02:32:27):
them pretty much universally, It's scared the heck out of them.
So yeah, I don't know, I kind of want no
part of that.

Speaker 8 (02:32:34):
Yeah, it is scary stuff. I mean, even when you're
looking at a four foot little sasquatch or sabe. Yeah,
that was terrifying. Yeah, you know, not looking at it,
but it knowing that it's capable of vocalizing in the
way that it did, to go right up to my
head and utter that.

Speaker 6 (02:32:56):
I just interviewed a guy who's going to come on
just to tell a story, and then we've got texts
Wess and on, which brings me to a point. Not
this Sunday, but next Sunday. We're gonna be moving Untold
Radio AM at least temporarily this Sunday night, and it's

(02:33:20):
probably what seven o'clock still yep, And so we've got
to work around Jeff's job. We love Jeff, we want
to keep Jeff. So we're just gonna switch to Sunday.
I don't know if that's going to bother any of
our normal listeners to switch. Yeah, we'd love to hear
your comments in chat if you guys could just put

(02:33:42):
a quick comment down whether that'll bother you, whether we
move to Sunday or that'd be great to hear, might
be better for you. So we don't know, but if
you can do that, that'd be great and throw it
in chat what you guys think about Sunday evening at
seven o'clock.

Speaker 8 (02:34:00):
I have a little clip I want to share with you,
especially off the heels of the last clip we heard,
which we all agree is disturbing and kind of scary.
This is another setting where they're more multi more than
one individual. And this is also another example of the
conventional speech with the melodic clicking and clucking that we hear.
I'll play it a couple of times. It's a short one.

(02:34:34):
That's a theme, that's fatigue, the melodic clicking and clucking.
So I have a hard time believing that those beings
uttering these sounds are the same as the scary beings
up in the up. They just seem so different to me.
And that's why I believe that I may have recorded
dog Man as well. They're just different, even though they

(02:34:57):
share similar vocal modalities or the ability to speak with
these clicks and clocks.

Speaker 6 (02:35:03):
And oh, isn't that per percussive speech, David what he
just played.

Speaker 1 (02:35:10):
Yes, that's what I call percussive.

Speaker 6 (02:35:12):
Are there words in there? David?

Speaker 1 (02:35:14):
In Ewn You might be able to hear a lot more,
just like in the Sierra sounds if you slow them down,
and like what we did with your audio when we
slowed it down, we can hear speech, remember that the
Snell grove.

Speaker 8 (02:35:36):
Yeah right, I'd love to hear that. Yeah, we recorded, I.

Speaker 6 (02:35:41):
Can play you speech. We recorded that's pretty clear up
and Snell And the story is, we put a bunch
of cameras out they were wireless, they were hidden, they
even were covered with vex cloth. We hid them where
we couldn't even find them anymore. And we brought up starlink,

(02:36:03):
put that on the porch of the cabin so we
could monitor the cameras live.

Speaker 8 (02:36:08):
And then.

Speaker 6 (02:36:11):
I don't know what day it was, but we started hearing.
I started noticing rocks were getting thrown at the cameras.
So I'd hear a click, then another click on another one.
I thought, what the hell's going on? And then there
was another click another camera, So it was like it
was telling us it knew where our cameras were. And

(02:36:31):
then this happened. Let me play this. Here snow Grove talking.
Here we go. So I'll play this and this is
extremely clear. It's almost so clear. It freaked us out,
but we don't know what it's seeing.

Speaker 8 (02:36:51):
I know.

Speaker 6 (02:36:57):
That voice came over the camera live. Wow, it freaked
us out and got recorded, thank god.

Speaker 10 (02:37:04):
But that was it?

Speaker 8 (02:37:06):
So is that.

Speaker 6 (02:37:09):
It sounds like it's sane, I'll talk with you. That's
what it sounds like, but it's not what it says.
You guys can hear that.

Speaker 8 (02:37:21):
That's that's amazing, But what did that mean?

Speaker 6 (02:37:25):
What was it because it was really close to our camera.
So I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (02:37:31):
David, your thoughts, Well, I think you just said that
everybody was accounted for.

Speaker 6 (02:37:36):
Oh yeah, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:37:37):
It's either a ghost or a sasquat.

Speaker 6 (02:37:40):
It's either a ghost. Yeah. Well it does have that
same deep, kind of near native American kind of uh
pitched to it and cadence to the to the sound.
But it's just so weird. I mean that haunts me.

Speaker 1 (02:38:02):
Yeah, what what interested me was it's what I thought
I heard at regular speed became much different when it
was slowed down. I heard a lot more in it
than I than I hear at the at the normal speed.

(02:38:23):
So yeah, sometimes we ought to have a comparison of
normal speed versus slowed down so that other people can
hear it. You hear more vowels and consonants.

Speaker 6 (02:38:39):
Yeah. So I don't know. I mean yeah, I mean
you cann' I can't prove anything. We didn't we didn't
see what made it, so we don't know. But it
wasn't like an EVP. We heard it live. I mean
it was loud and clear. It came across my phone
and everybody's phone, and there's no radio waves up there.

(02:39:02):
There's nothing, you know, even Adam did a complete spectrum
check on every radio wave. There isn't any signals up
there for radios. It's just nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:39:13):
So, was this one of the recorders that got plumped.

Speaker 6 (02:39:18):
Recorders?

Speaker 1 (02:39:20):
One of the recorders that got was No, this wasn't
a recorder.

Speaker 6 (02:39:23):
Came through our camera and then it went into the cloud.
There's a mic on each camera. Yeah, so it must
have been pretty close to the camera when it did that,
because it had just something hit their own rocks and
all of our cameras and then that happened, so you

(02:39:44):
can say it was a spirit. Well, then a spirit
threw rocks at all over our cameras too, and you know,
it's too many coincidences. So I don't know who knows.
It's fascinating though. I we didn't get a lot of
good feedback back on Sunday night, Jeff. Yeah, like NFL

(02:40:05):
they're going to ruin my life.

Speaker 10 (02:40:07):
Well, you can still watch it on Wednesday. We just
can't watch it live unfortunately.

Speaker 6 (02:40:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:40:12):
I just I had tried a bunch of workarounds and
I got to work on a new career here, and
I just I can't make Wednesday's work. For the time being,
I'm hopefing that hopefully that will change, yeah or too long,
but for the time being, I just can't guarantee I'll
be home in time Wednesday to do a good job.

Speaker 6 (02:40:29):
Yeah, so we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out anyhow.

Speaker 10 (02:40:34):
Back to Bigfoot, Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 8 (02:40:37):
Whatever they are, I'm reminded. I was recently this April.
I was with the small Town Monsters crew. Yeah, and
after I had a recorder going at the mouth of
my tent. We were at least twenty feet away. Afterwards,
just doing some small talk.

Speaker 10 (02:40:54):
And it was.

Speaker 8 (02:40:56):
After I had played the gunshot vocal salvo with them.
I captured a vocal on my recorder which is twenty
feet from us at the mouth of my tent, and
we saw nothing. This is about one thirty in the afternoon.
I'd like to play that for if you're okay. Hear
all shatter and then you hear a vocalization. Sounds like

(02:41:19):
a youthful vocal voice. It's not scary, it's simply trefoi.
And when I analyze that audio and David, I can
send this to you can do your analysis. I'll send
the raw clip to you. When you do the analysis,
other vocalizations are present, so it makes you wonder. I'm
reminded of Barb Shook's capturing of the Cloaked People refer

(02:41:43):
to it as the cloak Bigfoot. I've studied that. It
looks legit to me, and I'm wondering if they do
have that ability, if if we had a voice to
put with that, this might be it. Here it comes.

Speaker 15 (02:42:00):
That same.

Speaker 1 (02:42:02):
Trink clack on these guys, trink clack on these guys.

Speaker 8 (02:42:11):
Crazy. We didn't see a.

Speaker 6 (02:42:12):
Thing, Okay, I heard a woman talking.

Speaker 8 (02:42:15):
Yeah, well that's in the background. That's us in the background.
I'll play the full clip and this is uh Steph
myself and Courtney Breedlove, Seth's wife, Uh small talk. After
having listened to the salvo uh uh clip, here's the
whole thing.

Speaker 1 (02:42:44):
Trina on these guys.

Speaker 8 (02:42:48):
Hell, So that trefa was captured while we were there.
It was clearly close to the recorder and you can
actually your steps walking away from the recorder in close
proximity after the treefaw vocal blows my mind to think

(02:43:10):
that we were not alone and they could be just
so stealthy that you know, we just they're good at
what they do and we just never caught them, or
they could be could have an ability to cloak if
you will.

Speaker 1 (02:43:26):
Well, what I find interesting is that we have human subjects,
known human subjects, talking in the background, so they're when
analyzing this in a spectrogram, will see the human characteristics
that were captured in this recording and then compared to
that treefaw sound, And if the spectrogram kind of lines up,

(02:43:50):
then I might fall into the camp of when I'm
thinking of there's a term for it when you when
you hear a voice and.

Speaker 8 (02:44:05):
It's uh, the yes e v P e VP electronic
voice phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (02:44:10):
R Right, were you anywhere near a cemetery?

Speaker 8 (02:44:14):
No, I was.

Speaker 1 (02:44:15):
We're in my campsite, okay, in the woods, not a cemetery,
you know.

Speaker 8 (02:44:21):
I mean there could be burial spots there, don't know,
but they're so long ago been grown over well in
a river.

Speaker 1 (02:44:31):
What's also curious is that it is very clear, very close,
and nobody saw anything. Can you describe the situation where
how far was the tree line from where you were?
Was close or could something that does?

Speaker 8 (02:44:50):
Yes, possibly, but we were none the wiser. It's it's bizarre.
It's beyond my ability to explain. You know, when I
heard that, I'm thinking, Holy cow, is this the audio
equivalent to Barb's you know, bigfoot video footage? And I
just wondered I did a video on it not too

(02:45:10):
long ago, just wondering if that subject in her video
footage had a voice, might it sound like this? Maybe
just putting it out there. When I cleaned up that
audience and got rid of the white noise, the din
of our surroundings, there are other vocal signatures and which
I put into the category of the verifying vocal elements

(02:45:33):
that I look for, very esoteric, but they're present.

Speaker 6 (02:45:37):
Do you believe in EVPs? David, uh?

Speaker 1 (02:45:41):
You know, I don't know. It's kind of like do
you believe in ghosts?

Speaker 6 (02:45:48):
I I don't know what I mean. Have you have
you let me reword that. Have you analyzed some EVPs?

Speaker 1 (02:45:58):
Well, I've yes, I have looked at some that people
have sent me and whatnot.

Speaker 8 (02:46:03):
But don't mind me, guys, I'm just we're not minding
you good.

Speaker 1 (02:46:16):
It's hard to say because for me I have a
personal issue of not of mishearing where people other people
have really good speech pattern hearing, and they'll hear something
completely different than what I think I hear.

Speaker 6 (02:46:36):
So, but do you think they were real? It's a
real phenomena.

Speaker 1 (02:46:41):
It's it's possible the the e v P that I
did see, or that people were telling me they thought
they could be, had a different signature and a spectrogram
than than a person did.

Speaker 6 (02:46:59):
Well, isn't ev P. Isn't it? You don't even like
you have your recording.

Speaker 1 (02:47:03):
You don't even hear it. Yeah, you have your recorder
going well, typically not heard, and then when you we
listened to the audio there.

Speaker 6 (02:47:10):
It is, Well, we didn't that wasn't an e VP
because we heard it live. Okay, all right, you know
ev P. We're all we're just like, we're hearing it live.
You should have seen everybody's face. It wasn't a recording.
Then we checked and yes, we did have the recording,
but we heard that live.

Speaker 1 (02:47:29):
Coming through one of them. That's not a true ev P.

Speaker 6 (02:47:33):
Yeah, that's what I was saying. I'm just trying to
I'm looking at all these questions. Have you seen orbs
and UFOs, James?

Speaker 8 (02:47:47):
I never have. I'd love I'd love to see them.
I'd love especially the orphanomena that is just that is amazing.
I just don't know where to go. I'm in the woods,
and I go to bed early, I really do. When
it gets dark and it's starts to get chilly, I
just go to bed eight o'clock.

Speaker 6 (02:48:03):
Well, it's possible because when you're not up late. Yeah,
you know, if you're not looking for him, you're not
going to see him.

Speaker 8 (02:48:10):
Yeah. I did get up once in the middle of
the night. It was what day was it, I want
to say May twelfth. It was brilliant. I had awakened
and I was looking out about thirty feet from my tent.
Looked like a shape of a soft squash. This was
at least nine foot tall. I think I was thinking

(02:48:31):
twelve originally. But middle of the night, I go up
to pee and I'm looking at and I do my
business and go back to Bennett still there. I convince
myself that it's like an arbor biety in the woods
that I just didn't remember, so kind of rationalize it
out of my mind. In the morning, it was gone.

Speaker 6 (02:48:47):
So the cedar tree was gone.

Speaker 8 (02:48:50):
Yeah, biz are And the next night the lighting. The
cool thing about this it was back lit and you
can see it silhouette by a back lit moon. It
was backlit by the moon, a near full moon. It
was pretty awesome, and it was not there the next night.

Speaker 6 (02:49:06):
Even the Bobo story wild wild, but.

Speaker 8 (02:49:11):
I thought it was peaceful. It wasn't a scary thing.
That little guy that woke me up, that was scary.
That was scary.

Speaker 6 (02:49:19):
Did I ever tell you the story where the last
time I went camping with Adam, the middle of the night,
he wakes me up and he he says, you got
to see this outside, And so I go outside and
there's like, I don't know what I saw. It was
just like orbs, like hundreds of them up in the

(02:49:41):
sky and they were all moving and it was nuts,
like hundreds and hundreds, and Adam just starts walking into
the forest in his underwear. No, like he just leaves.
He's just he doesn't say any He's like he's in
a trance. And he starts walking deeper and deeper into

(02:50:02):
the forest and I'm it's you know, it's like three
four in the morning, and I'm like, I better go
get him. So I get him kind of like wake
him up, and then we watched this crazy phenomena and
then we don't neither of us remember what happened after that.
No memories. I don't have any, Like, I don't remember

(02:50:23):
going back to bed. I don't remember anything. But it
was it was weird. That's uh. Yeah, Adam walking in
the woods and is underwear. It was so I don't
want to relive.

Speaker 8 (02:50:37):
Yeah, that that's that's bizarre. I've heard. I've heard a
sasquatchch Chronicles interview. The subject felt warmth and he started
shedding his clothes and walking toward the woods, and a
friend of his was with him. They're like, what's going
on here?

Speaker 6 (02:50:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:50:51):
And the title of that video I think is like
the sound of Many Waters or the voice of many Waters,
because he said it was sounded like water. It sounded
like a trickling water, and it was just drawn to
it and it's it's weird. It's much like the vocalization.

(02:51:12):
You have this watery a lot of stuff going on.
You know what is that there's a river nearby, but
you can't hear the river where I place this recorder.
You get these watery sound effects.

Speaker 6 (02:51:24):
You just watery sounds. David, is that ringing a bell? Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:51:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:51:28):
Really? M M.

Speaker 6 (02:51:30):
It's just like you want to share.

Speaker 1 (02:51:33):
No, it's just one of the things that I usually
because it's distracting from the sound that I want to hear,
where I put that in the background or eliminate it.

Speaker 8 (02:51:45):
So a lot of buzziness.

Speaker 1 (02:51:49):
Yeah, it's if it's not pertinent to the sound that
I'm interested in, I usually diminish it. So but that's
you asked me if I heard it, I've heard it.

Speaker 8 (02:52:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:52:03):
How do you describe a watery sound? That's interesting?

Speaker 1 (02:52:07):
There is one particular recorder, a task Cam five I
think it is that is I don't want to say
it's the worst, but it seems to capture it the
most and it's distracting almost like you know, it's a

(02:52:27):
bad background noise. So yeah, people don't want to hear
that noise. They want to hear the other thing. So
but yeah, to what James is talking about, Yeah, it's
can't be.

Speaker 8 (02:52:44):
I'd like to play something for you guys. It's a
short step. I'd like to hear what you think it
sounds like. Is I know what I think it sounds like,
and I'll let it play over with that. So there's

(02:53:08):
that water sound number one, there's the vocal. But does
anybody hear. When I'm hearing, I'm hearing.

Speaker 6 (02:53:28):
Well. Obviously it's a little more distorted, you know, doing
it the way we're doing it, but I hear it
very similar to all this percusive speech.

Speaker 8 (02:53:36):
Now, well at the beginning, do you hear your.

Speaker 1 (02:53:40):
Words or something at the beginning? I don't hear. If
there's a voice, I miss it.

Speaker 8 (02:53:47):
I'll uh, yeah, there is a voice. It's a whispery voice.
It sounds to me like helicopters. Now, having said that,
see if you can hear this, you can hear the
same thing right there.

Speaker 6 (02:54:13):
I'm just hearing more of this like mouthpops.

Speaker 1 (02:54:16):
Yeah, it sounds like mouth pops and tongue.

Speaker 6 (02:54:18):
Clicks and clicks, mouth pops.

Speaker 8 (02:54:20):
There is a bit of that in there. But anyway
I hear helicopters A well, there's another word stuff in there.

Speaker 1 (02:54:28):
That's one thing I will give you credit for, James,
if you're hearing things that we don't, is that when
you listen to a recording a hundred times, you're going
to hear ten times more than what we hear just.

Speaker 8 (02:54:43):
Three times that you're not hearing.

Speaker 14 (02:54:45):
When I.

Speaker 1 (02:54:48):
Say, then, what's your what's your hearing isn't there.

Speaker 8 (02:54:51):
I just want you to know that, Yeah, thank you,
And I'm comforted by that as knowing you don't think
I'm too crazy. I'm just crazy.

Speaker 6 (02:54:59):
And yeah, nobody heard helicopters. It's just you know, we're
not getting all of them.

Speaker 8 (02:55:07):
If you go to on my YouTube channel, there's a
video called in what is It Voices from the Depths
of the Woods, and this was captured October twenty third,
twenty nineteen, October twenty third, and you can hear almost

(02:55:27):
four minutes of what I captured that night that helicopters.
Toward the beginning the fatif we heard earlier, coupled with
the melodic clicking and clucking that is also there in
the middle of it, you'll hear, actually there's a voice
that sounds like I had an ascension, which is really
very weird, especially given the fact that at the same TP,

(02:55:50):
different year, I've recorded chanting. It sounds like Benedictine monks
all from that one TP. Bizarre. Just to add to
the confusion about the nature of this phenomenon, it goes on.

Speaker 6 (02:56:10):
And on all the time. We got we're gonna wrap.

Speaker 10 (02:56:12):
It up here three hours here.

Speaker 8 (02:56:14):
Yeah, he really it goes back quickly. Let me talk
about this stuff.

Speaker 6 (02:56:21):
It's it's great to have you on, James. I love
your demeanor about everything. You're just so cool and laid back.

Speaker 8 (02:56:27):
And well thanks. Behind that is chaos and madness.

Speaker 6 (02:56:31):
So you're a pleasure to have on.

Speaker 1 (02:56:34):
David, thank you for the invite, Thank you for jumping in.

Speaker 8 (02:56:39):
Yeah, good to be reunited.

Speaker 10 (02:56:41):
If I could say, James, I agree with as Doug said,
You've got a great voice, so that that does.

Speaker 8 (02:56:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (02:56:47):
Radio No, no, no, you look good there, James, trust me,
you're looking good.

Speaker 10 (02:56:54):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (02:56:55):
Here.

Speaker 6 (02:56:58):
I would definitely go invest in a new my crophone though.

Speaker 8 (02:57:01):
If you're gonna do yes, you're correct.

Speaker 6 (02:57:05):
Look, I'm gonna tell you. I give you a tip
of the day. Audio Pro. They have a camera or
a condenser mic now just like the one I'm using.
They're thirty bucks and they're really good.

Speaker 8 (02:57:18):
That's what you're wearing, David. Yeah, okay, audio Pro, all right,
Radio Pro.

Speaker 6 (02:57:22):
There's thirty bucks. If you're gonna do podcasting, it really
pays to get a good mic. It helps and it
helps to make you sound like a radio pro. CAYU goes, Doug.
Send them a mic.

Speaker 8 (02:57:40):
Yeah, you're giving them for free.

Speaker 6 (02:57:43):
You never know, you never know, all right, But just
stay with us. We're just gonna do our quick Wisdom
of the week here.

Speaker 8 (02:57:49):
I'm just grateful for your with you. I'm grateful to
hak Tight.

Speaker 10 (02:57:54):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 9 (02:57:57):
It's now time for untold Radio Am Wisdom of the Week.

Speaker 2 (02:58:02):
Remember, life doesn't always give answers, It gives patterns. When
you start to notice them, understanding will begin. Life teaches
through repetition. The same lessons return in new forms until
we finally grow enough to notice them.

Speaker 10 (02:58:18):
Good Night.

Speaker 9 (02:58:19):
We hope to see you all next week.

Speaker 2 (02:58:21):
If you like the show tonight, please consider giving us
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subscribing and hitting the bell so you will be notified
when a new episode is dropping. Also, please share this episode.
Now back to Doug and Jeff for our wrap.

Speaker 6 (02:58:40):
And we are back. So okay, So this Wednesday, coming Wednesday,
we probably won't have a show, correct Jeff on the Sunday.

Speaker 10 (02:58:51):
The same time, but on starting on Sunday night.

Speaker 6 (02:58:54):
Although I might feel guilty and just come on all
with myself, just whatever, I don't know what's going to happen.
We'll talk about it. But we really thank everybody, especially
in chat and all the all the moderators. Thank you much. Amy.
By the way, she had a brilliant cool comment on

(02:59:16):
DNA which I just didn't see it. Sorry about that, Amy,
uh but anyhow, thanks David, Thanks James. Gut you back
and we'll talk to you all soon.

Speaker 4 (02:59:30):
I guys, I call you up in the middle of
the night, been bothered by dreams and feeling all day.

Speaker 7 (02:59:40):
You give me comfort, say just give it some time.
By the end of our talk, I'm feeling just fine.
You always know when we've been the same ordinary. We
gotta go ahead. I'll pick you up in the fifteen

(03:00:06):
hour part.

Speaker 3 (03:00:07):
We head on down the road two week.

Speaker 7 (03:00:10):
Airport, just doing in the sun and the wind. If
the gracious to call able, head on home again. Everybody
else can see when we been long, we know every
ether we can go.

Speaker 14 (03:00:30):
In all.

Speaker 4 (03:00:33):
At the end of the world together forever falling alway
if fever.

Speaker 7 (03:00:40):
You should be in town in our prey. We never
can puts far in always.

Speaker 4 (03:00:49):
All the time, when we'd be together every day, but
I knows.

Speaker 17 (03:00:55):
I bever would be less straight up alway again at

(03:01:20):
the end of the world together forever is all our way.
It never you should be endowed or comparate. They never
composed a part in Lorway. At the end of the
world together.

Speaker 7 (03:01:39):
Forever is fll in Norway. If beever you should be
endowed in Holbay, they never compose a part in Horway.
What a time, every being together never beca.

Speaker 3 (03:01:58):
Never would be least

Speaker 7 (03:02:00):
No probaba web to work a

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