Untold Radio AM #272 The Gemini Mind – From Bigfoot to The Matrix with Mark Lanoue - Untold Radio Network

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Looking back on life that you leave him then.

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These days be the world.

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Look at plans?

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Sass?

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Is my own cost? My coast.

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Reading the fuse of the ashes, the spirits that altho, I'm.

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Looking down the house.

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Hello everyone, Hey, that was my father. We were late,
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clock that I keep thinking, I gotta throw it away,
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You know, you might get a new clock.

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a great Thanksgiving. I did, did you?

Speaker 9 (03:00):
Joe?

Speaker 4 (03:00):
I bet you did?

Speaker 8 (03:01):
Yeah? Nice day.

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Did you go over to Joe's?

Speaker 8 (03:05):
No?

Speaker 4 (03:06):
No?

Speaker 8 (03:06):
I got together with some friends in town. I had
to work Friday, so I didn't leave town. So I
got together with a bunch of friends on Thursday. It
was fun, very cool, very cool.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Those are fun. Yeah, as long as you don't have
to cook, it gets stressed.

Speaker 8 (03:20):
I did not have to cook.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
I watched Yvette's brother in law cook everything just all along,
like for like forty people. Yeah, just to watch him
in the kitchen, just like focused. It was just like,
do not talk to me.

Speaker 8 (03:35):
I am stressed.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
And then I gotta whoop them potatoes and blah blah
blah blah. Oh my god.

Speaker 8 (03:42):
Yeah, I actually like cooking. That's good, but I didn't
this year.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
So what do we got? Okay? So tonight, in episode
two seventy two, we have our guests Mark Laneu. He
is a NASA Technology Hall of Fame inductee. Author, musician, musicians,
science researcher. Then like way more.

Speaker 8 (04:04):
Yeah, talking to him.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
And who knows where the conversation is gonna go, Yes,
it could with Mark. So what else do we have?
We've got other infotainment tonight. Uh, we've got clips, and
we've got I think we're gonna do. I think we
have time for a trivia Sure, I think so, everybody

(04:27):
you know, grab a comforter, grab a cup of hot coco.
I hear it's good for you now. I just heard
that yesterday. Sure, it like makes your brain stems, your
brain cells we grow. Did you know that?

Speaker 8 (04:41):
I didn't, But if it makes you happy, it got
to be pretty good, right.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah? So anyhow, Ah, what else we have? I don't
really think we've got a lot to talk about others.
We can just get into it. We'll get a lot.
It's do our news.

Speaker 8 (04:57):
And fast news. Here we go.

Speaker 7 (05:05):
It's time for weird and fast news.

Speaker 8 (05:09):
It is time for weird and fast news.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
It definitely it's ten minutes late for weird and fastness.

Speaker 8 (05:14):
It was time for weird and fast it was.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
It was just a glitch. It's I'm sorry anyhow. Uh,
First off, they have discovered a new bee if you
can imagine that. And this is kind of a creepy
looking bee species, yeah, showed up in Australia. It is
called the double horned bee Australia. Yeah. Scientists in Western

(05:42):
Australia recently described a new, bizarre new species of bee,
the devil horn bee. This insects scientific name is so
you get to pronounce all these go Jeff.

Speaker 8 (05:53):
Who make a child lucifer? There you go something like that.
I'm guessing.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Uh. Apparently it has its sports very strange horn like
protrusions off its head and that given its menacing, almost
mythical appearance, the discoveries of vivid reminder of how little
we know about the global pollinators.

Speaker 8 (06:19):
And it's in Australia, so it probably gets up to
like eight to ten.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Inches long twenty inch b Yeah, the monster all right,
And then they have recorded and we'll have to talk
to Mark about this. They have recorded the lightning on Mars,
and I don't think it's a kind of lightning we
have here on Earth, but it was the first ever
on the red planet. Apparently, according to recent reports, Prediverran's rover,

(06:48):
the Mars Rover Exploring is zero Crater is zero zero zero.
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (06:58):
I don't know if it's silent.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Has recorded evidence of many lightning and I take it
many lightnings from static right, just like events on Mars.
Using its microphone, the rover detected faint crackles during dust
storms tiny uh centameter scaled electrical discharges causing caused by

(07:25):
dust storm grains rubbing against each other in the wind.
That says, that's a big deal because it's the first
time we've captured concrete signs of electrical activity caused by
the Martian dust storms. So there you go. That's that
was interesting. That was definitely weird and fast. And then

(07:47):
another Mars story they have been backed photos of apparently
it's the European Space Agency has released new images from
the Mars Express probe showing distinct global WHOA, I gotta
put a nickel in the jarden and my phone off.
Either there's it been inflated to a quarter or now

(08:12):
sold on, I'm still doing it. There we go, I
think that so yeah, there we go, uh, it says.
The Smarts Express probe showed distinct glacial features on Mars surface,
new evidence that the red planet had ice ages in
its past. And why didn't I hear that. I heard
that in the seventies. Yeah, I just get this. It's

(08:35):
just can't like the Simele news over and over and
over again. I mean, it's interesting. So it's certainly looks
like some pretty rugged terrain. It looks like a corn maze. Yeah,
it says that shows long, shallow grooves, ridge terrain and
what looks like frozen debris. So there you go. Says

(08:58):
this changes how we think about Mars instead of perpetually
bare and dry wasteland. I never thought of it that way.

Speaker 8 (09:06):
Mars is we happen, We know them, There's been water
there for I have a long time.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
We've got to talk to Mark about it. And then
more fungi news. Fungi, a new wave of research and
innovation is spotlighting fung guy as not just a living organism,
but raw materials for future. According to a November twenty

(09:33):
five article, projects recognized by the future is fungi. Is
it fung guiy or fungi guy fu Fungui Awards. I
didn't know that funk Guy Awards are using mushrooms and
fungal networks to create everything from compost friendly diapers, can

(09:56):
imagine putting a fungi diaper on your kid. Buy degradable
packaging to mushroom based insulation. I could see it, I
guess for that, wouldn't it start growing again?

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (10:11):
That's interesting.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
I don't know every spore. Man. Yeah, I don't think
I can be killed. I swear it can't be. You
can be knocked back, but I'm not sure it could
be killed. I don't know.

Speaker 8 (10:24):
That's interesting. Yeah, you don't get every spore. You're in trouble.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, so fun. Guy, It says are being reimagined. I
love that. Oh yeah, I love that word. As versatile
sustainable engineers with a wind array of industrial applications. I
like it. I hope they can get rid of styrofoam.

Speaker 8 (10:44):
Because yeah, I mean, it would be just biodegradable. It'd
be great.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
I definitely would rather have my food in some fungle
like a little fast food tray than when it once
in a while you'll get something on a Friday night
and the order it and it comes in styrofoaming like yuck.

Speaker 8 (11:01):
Yeah all right.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Next, apparently Earth's basement just got stranger. Apparently fourteen deep
sea life forms nobody recognized until now. Some more creatures
just keep popping up. Man, You just flip through some
of these things. The last one is like, oh god,
out of a horror movie. The very last one, Yes,

(11:25):
you see it right. It's just it's a parasitic thing
that took over some kind of like a lobster crab.
You see it there.

Speaker 8 (11:38):
It's kind of been vulsed in itsbing.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
It's part of the same deep sea exploration that found
fourteen new species. Scientist reveals some of the most bizarre
and only looking creatures ever documented. Gelatinous mouse, parasitic isopods
that look more horror movie than animals, and predators operating

(12:02):
in a common and complete darkness darkness. This underscores how
alien Earth's deep ocean is. Yeah, it says a place
where life evolves under extremes of pressure, cold and lightless void.
So there you go. Apparently it's maybe not the blue planet,

(12:24):
but the alien planet.

Speaker 8 (12:27):
That is weird.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
And then another really interesting discovery. I thought it was
super interesting as a wolf was observed using a tool.
You can imagine that, all right, So the first evidence
of tool use in wild wolves. Recently, researchers captured video

(12:50):
of a wild gray wolf in British Columbia swimming on
to receive a floating buoy attached to a submerged crab
trap and hauld the trap ashore, reeling it in, breaking
and open and eating the bait inside. This behavior suggests
that wolf recognize the trap's purpose and it manipulated it

(13:11):
to get food, the first documented case of tool use
in a wild cannon. This turns our understanding of wolves
and wild dogs on its head. They're not just instinct
driven scavengers, but potentially clever problem solvers willing to use
human gear for a meal. That's crazy to go. So

(13:33):
now part predator, part pirate.

Speaker 8 (13:36):
That's cool as heck.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah, I thought that was kind of cool.

Speaker 8 (13:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
And one more I say, well, we got a couple
more weird and fast, and now a little weird and fast.
Techn Ecology scientists worn we are getting near talking to animals.
Oh goody, what could go wrong here?

Speaker 6 (13:58):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Says We're getting ready to talk to animals? But are
we ready? New analysis suggests that advances in AI data collection,
sensors and biosignal decoding are pushing humanity closer than ever
to being able to interpret animals thoughts communicate meaningfully with

(14:22):
the non human species. Proponents argue that this could revolutionize
wildlife conservation, animal welfare, farming. Could you imagine asking a
cow questions, how do you know? Are you okay? You
in the mood for me to milk you? Oh? My goodness?

(14:42):
And our relationship with Earth's fauna. I mean, it's kind
of cool, but it's kind of weird. It's just kind
of weird, says There are big ethical questions, including ecological
and legal complications. Yeah, I would say so if we
actually start talking to animals, who speaks for them, who

(15:02):
interpret it, who interprets their wants, then how do we
avoid and their poor morphism? Or do or explore exploitation?
That says, for we might soon have a WhatsApp with squirrels.
Can you imagine just like a what could go on? Yeah?

(15:24):
Squirrels will break any passwords? Yeah? And then a new
breakthrough in controlling light. Now this is really interesting. So
I had never heard of a gyro morph Maybe Marcus
researchers recently unbuild a novel material called gyro morph, a

(15:52):
structure engineer to manipulate light far more effectively than any
other material used in photonic chips so far. According to
the scientists, gyromorphs can control the flow and reflection and
the frequency of light with such precision that they could

(16:13):
radically improve photonic computing, optical communications, and next gen sensors.
For all we know, Mark might have invented this. He's
probably check your head, Mark, if you didn't invent this,
He's like, no, hell no, it says. What's wild is

(16:33):
these photonic chips using gyromorphs might someday outperform traditional electronics,
meaning faster computing. Got what could go wrong? There, more
efficient data transmission, and maybe even light powered devices that
avoid overheating and energy bottlenecks. So there you go. Silicon

(16:54):
chips may be so last century, like, that's all yesterday.
Silagon chips, these crystals bent lightlike magicians. And the next one,
I'm just gonna skip. That's boring more. I don't like it.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
And then we have our weird fact of the week.

Speaker 8 (17:19):
Weird fact. It's really weird too, really weird. But is
it a fact? It's a fact, it's fact, and it's weird.
All right, here we go.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's now time for untold radio weird fact of the
week that is kind of weird.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Did you not Saturn rains diamonds literally. Scientists studying the
atmospheres of Saturn and Jupiter discovered something straight out of
a cosmic jewelry store. Under the extreme pressure and heat
deep inside these gas giants, carbon literally transforms into diamonds.

(18:00):
It begins during violent lightning storms high up in the atmosphere.
The lightning superheats methane, breaking in apart, freeing carbon atoms,
and as the carbon falls, pressure increases and the soot
compresses first into graphite like pencil lead, and then thousands
of miles deeper into solid diamond hailstones. These diamonds can

(18:25):
grow to enormous sizes, potentially weighing pounds, before melting again
into liquid carbon. Apparently near the court said, what is
wild that this isn't a theory anymore. Apparently they've duplicated
this in elab so that's plenty. So apparently they turn
into diamonds for just a little while, they go back

(18:46):
to liquid again. So you have to get in there
with that net. I can see a landing net for
fishing one pound diamonds.

Speaker 8 (19:00):
That's kind of cool, that's wild. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah. Some planets rain water, some rain fire, and Saturn
rains playing.

Speaker 8 (19:06):
Right, it gets so that's pretty crazy. Yeah, yeah, that's
a weird fact. This is a very weird fact.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
We got fifteen minutes, so we got to bring Mark on.
All right, all right, let's do our clips of those
we clipicks. Yeah, you can do that, and you get

(19:34):
center screen.

Speaker 8 (19:35):
I get to be the big star, right, you are
the big star.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
All right? Clip one. The sound is good. And this
is I was talking to Mark about this. I don't
know if he's looked into it. This is really weird.
This is a new discovery called the code. They call
it the discovery, and it's about this code. And when
people take something to THEE year, I'm gonna say it's slow.

(20:02):
I don't want to get in trouble. A D a period,
and a M in a period and a D in
a period.

Speaker 8 (20:08):
That's stuff.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Yeah, that's stuff. And they do that. And apparently, using
i'll let them explain it, but using a laser that's diffused,
aimed at like a wall or anything, a code shows
up that everybody who's in that same state of mind
can see. And apparently it's like an object. So you
can look on top you see a three dimensional object. Right,

(20:32):
and if you move the laser up, it reveals a
different goad. You go back to the where the other
where it was. So it's like a flashlight shining on
different codes. And apparently if you do it on your arm,
a different code shows up. But it's apparently been repeated
by journalists, right, and it's gotten very little traction with

(20:53):
any legitimate scientists. Yet it's pretty greaty go ahead and
play the clip. I'll give you a little head.

Speaker 10 (21:00):
If you bought like a Dwault laser level at home depot,
and then you put something in front of the laser
to kind of diffuse it. So you take it from
being a really thin laser line and then spread that
sucker out so it's like six inches wide. And then
you get somebody that's one right where the laser is
you can see through the wall.

Speaker 11 (21:17):
So this was viral on TikTok.

Speaker 10 (21:19):
So I called my assist and I said, get this
guy wherever he is flying to my house. I want
to try this out. So we flew to a place
where he's not illegal. While you are in the state,
you get close to the wall and you can see
code that looks kind of like alien writing, and then
some that look like Kanji Japanese characters. Sometimes hallucinations change

(21:40):
and warp and modify a little bit. This is permanent.
If you move your head, the code stays in the
same place, and if you move the laser on the wall, different.

Speaker 11 (21:47):
Code reveals itself as the laser is moving.

Speaker 10 (21:50):
Then you get two or three people lined up and
they all see the same thing. And if you put
your arm in front of it, the code completely changes,
but only right where your arm is.

Speaker 11 (21:58):
I have no explanation for what they hell it is.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
That's crazy, Yeah, that is, isn't it? Who knows? But
what you know what he said, It doesn't It isn't
like moving. The code is locked in place. It's not moving.
And that's the kind of interesting part of it. Unfortunately,
I would imagine, uh, never mind, I'm not going to talk.

(22:24):
Just forget about what I read anything I said.

Speaker 8 (22:27):
Okay, clip to clip too, moving on.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
But if it's true, it could be you know, it
could be a huge historic breakthrough, right. It would offer
evidence that we are living in some type of matrix.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
Absolutely inclined to think that we are to be honest.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Well, idea, some of the greatest minds say we are
for sure, and I've seen evidence in my own life. Okay,
clip two. Sound is good. Yeah, this is about hypers sonic.
Hypersonic like Mock six. Six times of speed is sound

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of a drone, and so this will just tell you
a little bit about it. Go ahead and play this.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
It's not a plane.

Speaker 11 (23:12):
It's a lightning bolb tearing through the sky.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Once it takes off, it's Mock six speed outruns any
radar response. By the time you hear the sonic boom,
it's already hundreds of miles away. Its name is SR
seventy two, America's Dark Star Project, an unmanned stealth jet
that breaks the sound barrier six times. It looks like
the next evolution of the Blackbird, but twice as fast.
This isn't CGI, it's a real project from Lockheed Martin's skunkworks.

(23:37):
The place even more secret than Area fifty one. The
engine is its soul, turbojets for takeoff than ramjets for
hypersonic flight, one shared air inlet from runway to Mock six,
seamless all the way. Its body feels built from the future.

Speaker 6 (23:51):
A Mock five.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
The skin hits on eight hundred degrees fahrenheit, so It's
made of carbon, fiber, ceramics, and titanium. The whole jet
is a metal beast that survives fire. It's not just
a scout. It can launch hypersonic missiles and strike anywhere
on Earth within one hour. The US calls it Global
Reach zero warning, and some say if you ever see
the SR seventy two, it's only because it wants you
to wow.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah, there you go, I once again, what could go wrong?

Speaker 8 (24:19):
We could go wrong?

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah? So clip three are actually two clips, clip A
and clipp sound is good and basically what I want
to get through here. A lot of some people are
really up on this. Some have no clue, depending if
they watch mainstream news a lot. I know a lot
of my friends don't anymore but me. But disclosure really

(24:41):
is hitting mainstream news, not just about UFOs are being real,
but about actual alien beings and captivity. To go and
play this, Okay, this.

Speaker 8 (24:51):
Is clip A three A rush.

Speaker 12 (24:54):
You believe that we have encountered alien beings and that
they've come to Earth, and that we know about it
as a US government.

Speaker 13 (25:03):
That seems to be a case. I don't like to
characterize necessarily where they came from. There are definitely some
kind of non human sentience. But it is true, believe
it or not. We've recovered the vehicles and we actually
have physical proof. And I was actually partially cleared into
some of those activities. It was beyond the oral testimony
provided to me. I actually had partial access to the

(25:26):
data and actually read the intelligence reports resulting from those
programs with your own eyes.

Speaker 12 (25:31):
We saw it, yes, And so when people say this
is kooky, this is out there, there's nothing to back
it up.

Speaker 9 (25:40):
I don't see for other parts of the government, but
I can tell you NASA, which I speak for, is
open and transparent.

Speaker 11 (25:48):
With our data.

Speaker 9 (25:50):
Do you believe what mister David Cross said or is he.

Speaker 11 (25:53):
Lying whatever he said? Where's the evidence?

Speaker 4 (25:58):
What do you say?

Speaker 13 (25:59):
Certainly, remember of this current administration are very very well
aware of this reality. Certainly the current president is very
knowledgeable on this subject, and I trust his leadership on it,
and I think he's assembled in an a team cabinet,
And I really believe if Trump wants to be the
greatest president and the most consequential leader likely in world history,

(26:19):
he certainly has the knowledge, the capabilities, and understanding of
some of these sensitive government transparency issues.

Speaker 11 (26:26):
I have access, But all right.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
DA, that's good enough to get a little that far.
There's another clip I want to play.

Speaker 8 (26:32):
Okay, next one clip B.

Speaker 14 (26:38):
Former Rear Admiral Tim Galludett served as the Navy's Chief
oceanographer and meteorologist and as acting Administrator of the National
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Speaker 8 (26:48):
Why do you take part in that?

Speaker 12 (26:50):
And of the voices in there? Are you convinced that
these are credible folks that are really coming forward for
the first time?

Speaker 9 (26:58):
All those folks are credible, Brett. They're all colleagues of mine.
I've worked with them for years. This is going to
change the arc of human history, the fact that we're
not alone in the universe, and that higher order non
human intelligences are visiting us and interacting with us, whose
intent we really are unsure of. Still, that's just mind blowing.

Speaker 8 (27:14):
How many people know this?

Speaker 9 (27:15):
This has been an eight decade to cover up. The
totalist has to amount to one hundred or.

Speaker 14 (27:22):
More and twenty fifteen, galu Dett was commanding personnel during
a naval exercise off the East coast when he received
an email warning of near mid air collisions. Attached was
a video of the suspected threat. Galudette says the next day,
the email disappeared from his account. The Pentagon would eventually
declassify the video more than five years later.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
The Navy is sitting on a trove of UAP video
data that they're not releasing.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
Wow, there you go. That's something, man, I say, that's
the mainstream media. I can only imagine. All right, Clip five,
no sound please, John Ayre will love this one.

Speaker 8 (28:10):
This is a uh this is clip four.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Actually oh sorry, yeah, okay, clip it sounds good on
this one. This is just an escape out of winter
for all of us. Just go and play this beautiful.
This is in the Philippines. Wow, how would you like
to be there? Have that beat all to yourself.

Speaker 8 (28:43):
I'd like to be there right now.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty cold here. The next one, no
sound please? Okay. So this is an underground amusement park
one hundred and twenty meters below ground. There's a faires, whell,
ping pong tables, pot golf, pool tables, massage chairs, even
rowboats that you can take out into a lake. This

(29:07):
was a big salt mine in Romania and they've turned
it into an amusement park. Let's watch this. It's crazy
in there. So John Arizona like this going. During World

(29:30):
War Two, it was used as a bomb shelter.

Speaker 8 (29:33):
Wow, it's looping here now, yeah, that's something else.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
All right, it's good. Sofy just happened to go to Romania.
Check it out.

Speaker 8 (29:42):
You never know, yeah, you never know.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Uh. Clip six, The sound is okay. Look at the
rocks heracle of this. Look at the rocks on the
shore of Lake McDonald in Montana, polished by the way.

(30:13):
Short clip.

Speaker 8 (30:19):
Beautiful place.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah. Club seven is also an escape sound as good.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
This is uh here in Minnesota, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
This is Benito, the Benito Ms River in Brazil, Central Brazil, Brazil.
Blul dah uh. And there's many places like this all
over the world, even in Florida that have spring fed rivers.
If you have not seen a spring fred river, go
to one. They're amazing. I have am I staying out

(30:53):
at the wiki watching river in Florida and Crystal River
and Homoso Springs and oh it's it's unbelievable. Couldn't play
this beautiful? All right? Let's see here at clip eight.

(31:30):
The sound is good and you know I've joked about
it a million times going. You can't improve certain things
like the code hanger hadn't been improved in how many years,
you know, a long time, maybe a hundred years or more.
This lady, I think, really did improve it. Couldn't play this.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
I want to hang close a wall, but I don't
like how far out it comes from the wall.

Speaker 8 (31:56):
So I just made this prototype.

Speaker 10 (31:59):
So you fold it and then that's good.

Speaker 8 (32:06):
Jeff, that's pretty clever.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Yeah. But it not only locked your clothes on, but
it takes up way less room.

Speaker 8 (32:14):
Yeah, because that's.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
One problem with a normal modern hangar that you know
your clothes will slip off if you have a big
neck on the garment.

Speaker 8 (32:23):
Well, I have that problem like anybody.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Have you ever if you ever stretched out one of
your sweaters by hanging it up a wet good, this
would Yeah, this would prevent that. It's a very much
an very It shows you can invent things, or invent
things and improve things that seem unimprovable. Yeah, she proved it,
So congratulations on that. I hope you do well. Uh

(32:51):
one clip nine, last one So the sound is good.
This would be a really fun place to work. I
know Mark would love to work here. I would too.
Sounds good, Jeff, you notice there's a guy in that

(33:13):
little car driving this whole.

Speaker 15 (33:15):
Yeah, but wouldn't it be cool to build stuff like that?

Speaker 8 (33:27):
Heck, yeah, yeah, that's really cool. That's very cool.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
That is it's it's a company called Creature Technology Company.
So check him out. Maybe you can buy one, Jo,
I'm sure you can buy one.

Speaker 8 (33:46):
I'm sure there, Yeah, how me shake my wallet. I'm
sure it's not more.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Than fifty bucks? All right, number that crap?

Speaker 8 (33:52):
Remember that crap?

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, let's some Let's go ahead and bring
some marks here. Let's bring him on. Let me read
a little a little bit. I don't know if you
want to what do you what do you call it? Uh? Uh?

Speaker 8 (34:05):
Do your what's it called the disclaimer?

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Disclaim? Mark?

Speaker 8 (34:09):
Yeah, let's let's let's let's let's disclaim. Let's disclaim. Alright, right,

(34:30):
Mark has been officially disclaimed.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
I better come back so I don't leave you lonely.

Speaker 8 (34:34):
Let's look at me.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Just look at Jeff. I do that just for fun? Mark?

Speaker 8 (34:43):
That about it?

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Oh? Yeah, or she doesn't.

Speaker 8 (34:48):
Let's hope she does. I hope she likes mom watching Mom.
I hope you like.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Mark Allen LANEU. He is the host of a new
a brand new apparently it's going to premiere the second
week of twenty twenty six called The Gemini Mind. So
the Gemini Mind podcast premiere second week of the year
in twenty twenty six. Mark Allen, I'm just going to

(35:17):
give you a bullet points on this man, Mark Allen Lino.
He's an award winning musician, songwriter, author, podcaster, innovator, inductee
to the NASA Space Technology Hall of Fame, is a
PhD candidate, a World Traveler, voting member of the Recording Academy,

(35:38):
inventor of hyper spectral technologies, and that I was never
really caught my eye because I used hyper spectral lighting
when I built the Benthic Explorer back in the late nineties.
Oh really, so I could pierce the water in Lake Superior,
better to get rid of any you know, solubles, so

(35:59):
I could batter basically, which is by hyper spectral you know, red, green,
and blue lighting, among some other types of lighting. And
I and I also use hyper spectral lighting when I
was filming underwater bursts for the Discovery Channel. And I
want an award. That wasn't my idea. It was my

(36:22):
idea to do birds with it. But I I tweaked
lighting so it would pierce the blood so it didn't
look like a shark attack when babies were born underwater.
That makes sense, And I want to I don't know,
Best Tech Director Award that year or something whatever, all right,

(36:42):
So anyhow, so hyper spectral technology. So I can't wait
to talk more about that. Founding member of the bands
Kick the Wicked and Fiction. Uh sick, fiction sick yeah
s y xx six six yeah, fiction sick. Let's see here.

(37:02):
He's a co founder of Kick the Wicked, lead vocalist, guitarists, songwriter.
I'm just like whatever. He studied nanosensors at the University
of Arkansas, study studied his MBA in International Business Management
at the University of Southern Mississippi, study computer science at

(37:26):
the University of Southern Mississippi. So this man's got a
multitude of sides.

Speaker 8 (37:32):
Without further ado, welcome mark.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
It would be the first time I was disclaimed.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Yes, just be very short. You've been disclaimed. Everything you
say is disclaimed everything, So you're your record. You've just
been disclaimed in advance.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
I've been listening, you know about the fungus and the diapers.
There's nothing fun. I was trying to think of a name.
There's nothing fun about diapers at all. Funny experience in
the past with that.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Fungus. I'll tell you, if you get fungus like in
your house, you can't get rid of it. You can
bleach it, blah blah blah. You know, it just comes back.

Speaker 6 (38:14):
I went through Hurricane Katrina.

Speaker 7 (38:15):
I know.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
But then I think that that's not as bad as
the kind you get your freaking toenails.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
It and you can never get Oh yeah, I've seen
some people like down in Belize that I've done splunking
with that have got the worst. It's like, dude, fix
that crap.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
Yeah caught me to What caught me too was the
Saturn story with the diamonds. I could see. I could
see them calling up now JTV to make a rover
to go to Saturn so they could get the diamonds
at yeah, tell it on the network.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Apparently they are only diamonds for a short dime and
then they move back to whatever carbon they were made
out of. It is. You know, we live in such
a crazy, wonderful, amazing universe, and I think I don't know.
Are our brains okay, are our brains even big enough

(39:08):
to even fathom what goes on out in the universe?

Speaker 6 (39:11):
Mark, considering that our senses are a very minute piece
of everything that's around us, and the fact that I
think that as technology advances, we get dumbering over by
the day, I doubt it, seriously.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
I don't know if you're like me, but I tend
to simplify things only because the only way my brain
can handle it. You know, I take a complex some
some professor would turn into a complex paragraph. I do
it in two words. Right, Yeah, this is the way
I am. And I don't know that's.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
Because you're you're an inventor, an inventor that thinks outside
the box. A lot of times I call them the
people in the box. Even when I was at NASA,
the physicists in the box. If you went outside their
rules and their theories and the laws of this and
the laws of that, forget it. It was a closed cabinet
and you weren't going anywhere. And I would just piss

(40:11):
them off by saying, oh yes, that like the rule
where you couldn't have more than two moons around the
moon didn't they break that and they get mad and
they run off. But but you're right, as it's best
to look at things in its simplest form. If you
look at it in the simplest form first, you have
a lot better chance to be innovative with that because
you don't have all those boundaries around you.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
So you worked with NASA for how long?

Speaker 6 (40:35):
About nine years?

Speaker 4 (40:36):
About nine years?

Speaker 6 (40:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Did you feel like you were, you know, a round
peg in a square hole or did you fit in
over there?

Speaker 6 (40:46):
No, I've so it was kind of a funny story. So,
like you mentioned, I was a musician and I was touring.
Back then, my hair was down in my waist and
you know, I had the typical you know, the nosering
and all the all the stuff that went along guyliner.
It went along with the musician. And so, but then
I was getting married and the premise came in and

(41:07):
that a child would be coming along, you know, after
we were married, and so I was like, okay, now
I have to do something else because music is not
going to pay the bills. I didn't give it up,
but so I started going to college, like you mentioned,
the computer science and biosciences business, and so I was
working for I took a temporary ad and I went

(41:28):
and took got a job at this place called Resource
twenty one, and it was a Boeing company, and like
you mentioned, it was using a multi spectral and aircraft
to look at fields and give prescription maps for farming,
farmers and farming explained just a little deeper. Okay. So

(41:51):
what that means is that so we would have a
map that was programmed out to say, here's your soil line,
here's where the clouds are, this is what's the best
time to pick your crops, this is what your soil
moisture looks like. Those kind of things, okay, And we
would fly and then later on we created things called
prescription maps where and this is when I was already

(42:11):
at NASA, where you would take a tractor that would
drive itself with a little palm pilot. It would take in
all the sensory data and it would say where you
should spray and where you shouldn't. So it saved on
spraying too much pesticide.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
And I gotcha. So I was working with a man.
Maybe this makes sense, and maybe it doesn't. I was
working with a man. I will not give his name,
but we were working on things because that's what he did.
He was a pilot and he was doing spectral mapping,

(42:44):
and he was working on things like you could do
a deer survey, well you wouldn't see much of anything
except the deer. They would just pop out like sword thumbs.

Speaker 6 (42:55):
Right.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
This is even got before thermal cameras probably were invented
or could be used by like him. But we had
a plan we were working on to basically find the
exact frequency of like bigfoot hair and then try to
just I mean it sounds silly now, but try to

(43:17):
just see if maybe there was a special frequency to
their hair, Like deer hair has a certain frequency, and
you can tune the spectrum to just see deer hair.
Is that true? I mean, is.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
It's a lot deeper than that, because you're when you're
dealing with imaging too. So remote sensing is viewing from afar.
That's basically what the the definition is of remote sensing.
But the problem with viewing from afar is that you
have atmosphere. And when you have atmosphere, that's going to
change the whole dynamic. So something I imaged right here

(43:56):
in front of me, it has a lot less atmosphere
than some that's over there, and especially thing that's moving,
so that changes the whole dynamic of what you're looking at.
So the bottom line is you can kind of look
at that because you have spatial and spectral information. Both
of those have resolution, right, and so you can look
at certain things about a living or non living item

(44:21):
and you might be able to deduce that that's what
it is based on a specific library. But I don't
think you're going to say that's deer hair. I think
it's going to be more like, these are the things
that are put together that give me this probability that's
a deer versus a cow versus whatever. And they just
call those a probability matrix. Basically a library and probability

(44:41):
of this is this, and that's been around since Like geology,
whenever looking going by and looking at iron, they would
see the red that would occur from the rust around
the oxides that would occur around the iron, and then
they would deduce that that's iron.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Is there a way, though, Mark to take like a
deer hair and figure out the exact freak and see
that hair as well.

Speaker 6 (45:02):
I used to image hair when we were doing so.
I was a member of the American Academy of Forensic Science,
and I built a lab for the FBI and Quantico,
and I was also when I was at NASA, I
was imaging human hair to kind of look to see
if there was a way to kind of classify hair
from a forensics evidence perspective. You can get some information

(45:26):
out of it, like structure and stuff like that, and
you can get some spectra off of it, but we
really didn't get far enough to really say, oh, yeah,
that's that right there, you know, So it still comes
down to DNA, you know, at this point. But you know,
as we go the imaging, the nanoimaging, like nanoscience is

(45:47):
still very small in infancy right now, so as we
go further, things could change. We're we're like, we're working
on stuff like then then drite materials and stuff like that,
which is, you know, kind of cool. So the short
answer is not right now, but it's not out of
the possibility.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
So frequency science is growing, correct, I mean you would
think it would be.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
It is actually the free the whole frequency component of
it is actually yes, moving fast, fastly forward because we're
looking at like, for instance, we didn't look at terror
herts a whole lot because it was like the it
was like the No Man's Land at one point, but
we're looking a lot more at that. It's with everything
man has a So when you're talking about simplicity, man
has a way of being cyclical. We're not only chaotic,

(46:33):
but we're cyclical. So the same stuff we were looking
at before, Like I was looking at stuff in the nineties,
I still see a lot of people looking at now
and I'm like, well, why are you still looking at that?
You can't get anything out of that. I mean, it's
like if you're looking at a plant, it's like it's green,
so it's got a green bump and it's got a
red shift. If it's not healthy, it starts to move. Yeah,

(46:54):
that's what it's gonna do. It's not gonna change. It's
never gonna look at something else, you know. I mean.
So there are people, though that are moving it forward,
but most of the people are still kind of stuck on
the same things that they write about and that they
work on. But you are right at this moving forward.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
How much money do you think is I'm talking about
the wasted part wasted in science doing things that will
never help anybody or never really get an understanding based
on just people awarding grants for the wrong reasons and you.

Speaker 6 (47:33):
Know whatever' yes that's a political position. So you know,
like in the old days, they had like ear marks, right,
and then everybody was complaining about earmarks because someone was
going to some big vat somewhere in DARPA to go
pull a chunk of cash off some big giant mound
of you know, funds they had somewhere, and they were

(47:56):
all getting upset about that. But all they did is
just change the name of it, just moved somewhere else.
It's still the same game. You know, it's like who
can you who do you know that can champion to
get this, to get that? And then at the and
then at the academic level, oh are you one of
our favorites? Well you're not on the top of the
list to make that. You could have the greatest thing
to come out since anything. But you know, you're not

(48:19):
a peer, so you're you're not going to get that.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
You're not.

Speaker 7 (48:23):
You're not.

Speaker 6 (48:24):
And trust me this, this guy born on six six
sixty six Gemini is not in the click anywhere.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Well, you did pretty good, I mean getting in there
I mean, you're you're a Hall of Favor on technology.

Speaker 7 (48:42):
Right there, right there.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Yeah, I mean that's still quite a that's quite an
accomplishment for who's not in the click.

Speaker 8 (48:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (48:50):
The reason why is for what you just brought up
is that we saw that as a center. So we
had what was called the dual use program, and NASA
had a dual use program, meaning that anything that we
spent government dollars on, we need to find some terrestrial
use that was valuable to mankind. So it didn't have

(49:11):
to be space hardened or any of that kind of stuff.
It was more of a derivative of the things that
we were working on, like when I was going to
put something as a manifest on the space station, because
I was working on the wharf window to put a
hyperspectral camera up there to be able to get data
to send data down to kindergarten through twelfth grade so
they could know more about what was happening on the
Earth based on the spectral and spatial responses. And so

(49:35):
you know, we used that money and what made derivative
products for the Earth. And that's how the hyper spectrals
came to be that I had in the markets and
then I went off and spun off through the NASA
spinoff programs. It became an entrepreneur. All that was driven
by that dual use program. And so we had so
I started in human exploration and development of space. Then

(49:57):
when the administrations changed, the cash flow changes and the
names change, right, the programs changed, it's just the way
it works. And then we went to what was called
NASA Commercial Space. That was the coolest program. And there
were several there were seven centers around the United States,
and one of them was where I was at Stennis
Space Center, and I remember going to Japan and Jackson

(50:20):
loved the program so much that NASA ultimately got rid
of it and they kept it so uh and which
they should have never gotten rid of it. And then
we went to what was called Moon to Mars long
term Spaceflight, and we did like Mars research and how
we were going to get people to Mars and that
kind of stuff. So but the answer is, yes, there's
lots of money that's wasted.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
And just dig a wild guess what do you.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
Oh, I really could not even fathom what you have is.
I mean, I don't know the percentage, but it's a
lot of money.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Yeah, definitely, that was a betman I mentioned over sixty percent.

Speaker 6 (51:01):
Well, probably if you use, if you use what the
government uses is like for instance, if they fund nine things,
they hope one thing hits, right. I mean so that
pretty much tells you that you know that's the rat race, right?

Speaker 7 (51:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (51:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
So do you have any further like scientific things you
want to do or that you're working on secretly or
are you kind of like moving on from now to No.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
I'm still working on stuff. As a matter of fact,
I just built an optical table in my in my garage. Okay,
so I'm waiting for a matter of fact, tomorrow a
Thor's Lab quarter twenty optical board three foot by four
foot comes in. They're gonna slap it on top of
the table. I'm actually working in different areas, so I'm
still really intrigued by the paranormal. So I'm working on

(51:52):
paranormal instrumentation. But I'm the one that wants to prove it.
I don't. I don't want a bunch of ghost shop
bills and whistles stuff where it just says, oh, look
I heard some random thing that came out from somewhere
and somebody with coffee at the corner over there where
in a Pokemon habits. I don't want that. I want
to say that's definitively something, you know. It may not

(52:16):
say it's a ghost, but it's depth. There's something there,
you know. So but I'm working on that. I'm also
working on sensors. I can't really say what those are
because that's a non disclosure thing, but sensors that will
keep factories from blowing up and stuff like that. And
so I'm really getting into the nanosensor now stuff where
you're talking about, are we starting to look at more

(52:37):
of the wave stuff, like what can we do with
the RF, what can we do with all these other
kind of things, What can we do with that combined
with audio wave? You know? How can we find out
more things that way? So we can make small stuff
that's cost effective that we could even harden and send
somewhere that has some duplexity to it.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
God, I just remembered and I still have it. It
hasn't been deployed. But we were me and this guy
were building a camera with a very special spectral lighting
on it that could detect oil in the water visually,
even small amounts of.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
It from the absorption patterns.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Yeah, and we never deployed it. He passed away before
we got it done, but I have it. It's at
the condo Jefflof to show it.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
Yes, Yeah, you can use RF too, like in the
sand you can use RF as well, depending on the wave.
There's a lot of things you could do to look
for oil.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
Like we haven't had a big oil spill in a
long time, but you know, it just suddenly kind of
goes out of the news and eventually can participates whatever
bacterias or whatever. But we still wanted to have this
rapid deployment where we could put it ten miles away
to see really how much oil and where it was going.

(53:59):
And you know, we weren't We're not against the oil companies.
We were just wanting to see what was really going on.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
So anyhow, Yeah, but can you tell the difference between
red tide and phystere episcacida. That's the question, by the.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Way, is red tide just pseudomona syringy l GA or
is it something else? Is it a form of pseudomonas syringey.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I know that the red tide
is often mistaken at well, not often but it's occasionally
mistaken for hystereopiscacida, which is actually an organism that causes
the water to turn red. So so knowing the difference
between those would be pretty cool. But I'm not sure

(54:50):
about the exact species of what causes the red tide,
though I do know that China has plenty of green
because there's lots of pollution in the water. Uh.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Yeah, the ocean is so dynamic, it's yeah, well, let's
let's shift gears a little bit. I want to talk
a little bit more about NASA, just your opinions. I
don't know, maybe you can even talk about it. Are
they being fourth right with us on any level at all?
All you got to say is yes or no.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
I think for most stuff they're being fourth right. I
think for some of the stuff it's government. It's based
on what the government will allow them to say or
not right. So I'm sure there's some things that are
like hush hush, and it's it's like you usually get.
You're just gonna get whatever they've been given on a
in a fortune cookie to tell you this is what
I have to say to you. I know there's aliens

(55:45):
in my closet, but they're really not.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
There, you know.

Speaker 6 (55:49):
But I think I think the answer is that most
of the stuff and that like we deal with so
many things like the flat earth and and look, they
we didn't really go to the moon and all that
kind of stuff, you know, So after a while, it's
kind of like, are they always lying? It's like, no,
it's just you have your mindset on what it is

(56:10):
and there's no change in that.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
You would you would think there's a hierarchy where the
military does control.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
Their narrative, because yes, yes.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
You would think for national security.

Speaker 6 (56:21):
Reasons, absolutely, yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
And so I don't think NASA necessarily can be blamed
for maybe not saying something about something because they've been
told not to, because you know, the government and.

Speaker 6 (56:35):
There's a lot of really awesome civil servants in NASA,
and there's a lot of them there that really want
to find out what's going on out there, and but
they're they're held to check at the higher level.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
By right, you weren't that so much better than I do.

Speaker 6 (56:53):
I had clearances, and I spent lots of time in
the government, and then I spent lots of time as
a CEO traveling all over the world. So after a while,
and then I was in academia for seven years.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
So do you have any clearances still or no?

Speaker 6 (57:05):
Not anymore? I used to I was on the SI
Tech because we were reconstructing the Category twelve for export,
especially of of high sensitive sensors, because it was so
held in check all the time. We had to find
some way to kind of open that up for commerce.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
All right, now, I'm going to I haven't. I hadn't
talked to you, and I mean we've had some pretty
long conversations in the last few years. But today is
different than it was a year ago. There were two
years ago. Everything's different now.

Speaker 6 (57:35):
Sure, where do you kind.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Of stand on the whole UAP mystery, the alien mystery
today versus or have you just maintained.

Speaker 6 (57:47):
Well, yeah, I mean there's there's more stuff coming out.
There's a lot more sightings and you know, witnesses. I
I've always kind of always still I'm sorry, I've I've
always kind of stuck with the fact that I think
a little beyond that I personally think, and it's my
own theory, of course, I personally think that their future us.

(58:11):
I'm so into dimensionality and choices made within the circle,
constructive of time. You know that when you make a choice,
it changes, it's another dimension, another path, and all that
kind of stuff. So I kind of look at it
that way. Plus I'm also big on adaptation. You know,
there's pretty good evidence that if we were to put

(58:32):
stuff on Mars, like I was working on a project
with long term spaceflight where we were going we were
trying to get people to Mars, but it would have
to be underground to start with, and we would have
to find ways to use minimal power, be able to
grow plants, be able to sense their root systems and
things like that, and even using old technology versus new technology.

(58:56):
But environment we're feeling it there will still be some
change based on adaptation over generations. So you know, I
believe that those are just adapted beings and probably from
our future.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
So our future, so we're living in a we're living
in a nonlinear world. I mean, just.

Speaker 6 (59:18):
I believe it's nonlinear. I mean, I believe it dimensionality
time in itself is just its bubble. I'm also as sensitive,
so I believe in the veil too.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
So yeah, what and just what do you mean by
the veil? Mark?

Speaker 6 (59:33):
Oh, just this spiritual connection to one side of it.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Can we separate that from science? I mean, do you
think at some point anything spiritual is kind of going
to go into the science arena? I doubt stay separated always.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
I think it's probably going to be separated. There's there's
very few people like me that kind of dance on that,
you know, that small tight rope that's it's between the two.
So I stand strongly on my faith. Not everybody has to,
that's the that's their business and their choice. But I
also am a scientist, so I look at everything that way,

(01:00:12):
Like is God in the eleventh dimension? For example?

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
So why don't you why don't you go through and
just kind of explain what you think all these dimensions are?
Do you think we only have eleven? Or do you
are you one of the one of the people that
are theorizing that we have unlimited dimensions?

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:00:31):
I don't really know what to say about that other
than that I think that there's parallel paths also the time,
Like if you if people make decisions that completely alter stuff,
or they didn't make those decisions that would alter stuff,
and they decide to make this other decision, Well, what
happens to that parallel set of if then else kind

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of stuff, and I and I believe that those branch
off because we do sit on circles across that timeline, right,
and so I believe that stuff branches off from that.
And that's just my personal belief. There's still a lot
that has to be looked into that. I mean, there's
a lot of those kind of theories that people still
that there are people that work on it look at.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Yeah, By the way, every question I ask you is
can be answered as though if you were a betting man,
and I know you're like me, you've got a million theories,
but if you had to bet, like place the money
on one, it doesn't mean that you're not one hundred
percent sure, you're just a little more confident in one.

(01:01:34):
That's kind of the way I think. And so every
question I asked you to qualify is kind of you know, what,
do you think maybe you had to place money on
it to try to not go broke.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
I'm pretty confident that the aliens are future US. Okay,
I'm pretty confident that because they're still looking all over
the place and they're seeing all kinds of planets and
stuff that look like people could live on there, and
they're hearing a bunch of sounds that are coming that
are being interpreted one way or another. But I mean
sound waves and all that kind of stuff. That stuff's

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bouncing all over the dog gun place. I mean, you
can have you can have you can have second order sounds,
you can have all this stuff just coming from everywhere.
And and we have this small little piece of this
with some sensors that give us a little bit more,
but there's just so much more around it than that,
and so so digging through that noise is just like

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there's a lot of work to be done.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
So, uh, Flat Rockland asked you, how thin do you
think the veil is?

Speaker 6 (01:02:42):
I believe it depends on the person that makes sense.
Is that That's where I say sensitives and mediums and psychics,
they're all at different levels. And I'm not talking about
the psychics that you go over to the you know,
the old circus or whatever and you put a quarter
in there, or the people that you see on on
TikTok that go I'm going to read your mind, you know.

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I'm talking about the ones that actually have some kind
of connectivity. So and I think that that it becomes
thinner in the presence of some of those people that
come near it.

Speaker 8 (01:03:15):
So when you say future us, do you mean literally
people that have come back from our the future directly
ahead of us, or do you mean another dimension that's
more So.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Those are two parallel theories that I always think about.
It's like, if you make a choice, right, and that
choice changes the direction of time, and then you have
this other avenue like the if then you know whatever,
and that goes off, and that that different choice would
have meant that your technology advanced faster. But then there

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was some destructive method that they had to survive, and
then they ended up changing and adapting based on that
change in the atmosphere, the environ and everything else. And
then they found a way to break through that barrier
of dimensionality because they had higher technology. That's one theory, right,
And then then the other is that it's just hey man,

(01:04:12):
we screwed everything up. We're gonna go back and figure
out all they were doing, and we're gonna come back
and see now. I think that either one of those
could be possible, and that's just my own perfect theory.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Yeah, what makes you think time is nonlinear? I mean,
for me, I think it's nonlinear because I've had these
events in my life that are so strong and ended
up working out exactly as I remembered them. And I
always talk about remembering the future. So I've had these
moments in my life, you know, not a million of them,

(01:04:45):
but a few really major ones where I remember my future,
I remember what I need to do, and I just
do it and it works out just perfect, and some
really weird things. But what is your argument that time
is not just linear as most of us know it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:09):
Yeah, well, when I say that, when I say that,
is that obviously, if you have offshoots and you have
dimensions and all this other kind of stuff, and you
have ways of moving forward, et cetera, then then there's
there's some disconnect. Right, It's not quite it's not quite
linear in the fashion that we think about. It's kind
of like man like we I think we talked about

(01:05:30):
it earlier. It's like mankind always trying to fix everything
so it fits in this little box. Yeah, it's it's
like the earth rotates, Okay, it's it's tilted, okay, it's
going around on an oval, not a circle. Okay. And
then and then it also even it even rotates at
the axis here as well. And so they have to

(01:05:51):
fix time, right, they have to. They have to see,
our calendar is messed up. We haven't fixed it. We
have to have all of these changes so that it
all lines up for us, because because that's the way
we need to think about It's cool, right, Uh And
I think that's the way it is with everything. Man
tries to fix mankind tries to fix everything. They try
to fix it and put it in a box exactly

(01:06:13):
whibbley wobbly timey wimmy so so so. Yeah, So I
think that that's kind of that's kind of part of it.
There's so much to learn, there's there's there's still so
much to gather and so much to put into these
theories because that's all they are right now, right now, theories.
It's like Einstein. Einstein had theories, but he wanted people

(01:06:36):
to disprove stuff just so it can make it better.

Speaker 8 (01:06:38):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
So you know, it's it's the same, it's the same.
I'm not saying to Einstein. I'm just saying that everybody
has their theories and uh, you know, it's going to
take more data to.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
Well, doesn't the fact that if you go the speed
of light or whatever, and you approach the near speed
of light, I mean time slows down. I mean doesn't
that almost prove times not linear?

Speaker 6 (01:07:01):
Well that you know, and that the speed of space
expanding versus the actual speed of of photonic light versus
you know, all of those things are they don't really
line up all the time, right. So it's so there's
a lot of arguments that could be made that there's
not that there's a nonlinear aspect that. It's kind of
like sensors, right, you know, some sensors are considered to

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be linear, some are considered to be nonlinear, and then
you have to use correction methodologies to fix that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Yeah. So yeah, have you ever experienced the time glitch
mark anything? Ever? What I mean is like you see
somebody walk through a door and whatever, and you turn
around and then you go out the door and there's

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that same person coming towards the door. Something weird like that.

Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
Yeah, I've seen those before. I've seen that before, not
many times, but it's happened once or twice in my life.
And we're not talking about Djabu. That's a whole it's
a whole difference. You know something's up, you know something's
up Yeah, you can feel. You can feel the difference.
It's more of an empathy empathetic kind of feel too.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
That is it possible, like time being not linear or
just glitches or just like bugs in a program or
a giddy up or an overloaded circuit or I mean,
is that possible? What would cause time to glitch?

Speaker 6 (01:08:26):
Because maybe God, maybe God's the ultimate programmer, and it's
just every now and then there's a there's a glitch.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
Is it possible. Maybe it's you know, the certain one.
Certain people just get to witness that. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:41):
Yeah, I think I think that that's so. There's been
some studies, you know, not real deep studies, but about
the brain. You know obviously that our brains can be different.
There's different elements, there's there could even be like fractal
differences that cause some people to actually have a higher
sensitivity to certain things. And it's kind of like looking

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at a fractal antenna, right, or just looking at antennas
that take in specific kinds of energy. Not every antenna
is going to take in the same energy. And also
depends on how you dope it, like a meta material
or nanomateial as to how it is affected by specific responses.
So I think it's just like that. It's you know,
our brains are so complex. It's it's probably that same

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kind of yeah effect, different antennas, different different sensitivities.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
Would you want to tell us the story of your
time glitch? You don't have to, but if you want
to share, it'd be really interested.

Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
Well, I've seen I've actually seen situations where I had
somebody walk into a room and the uh basically that
they they hadn't walked into it, and then they walked
in later. But it's it's that's kind of a simple one,
but that's kind of something that's happened.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Well, they are simple. I mean, they're usually very simple.

Speaker 6 (01:09:58):
It's just like, at least I didn't flip me off
or anything.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
But there's I think there's even a subreddit on there
where it's just called It's just about time glitches that
people just talk about. Super interesting to read, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's actually, uh, I mean
looking like the biggest ones like was it the Philadelphia
experiment and that kind of stuff. I mean, that's probably
one of the biggest time clichs of of all right.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
Do you believe that happened in the Philadelphia experiment.

Speaker 6 (01:10:31):
I do believe that happened.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
Yeah, do you think like Tesla was on we're talking
about you know, Nikola Tesla was he on some really
amazing I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:10:44):
Beyond just had everything taken from him and died penniless,
and yeah, horrible because he was brilliant, brilliant.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
But do you think he was far more advanced than
than even the regular folk? Now, because everything was taken
from him, we don't know what it was. It is
that stuff ever been released?

Speaker 6 (01:11:03):
You know, I don't know, but that's a good point.
I don't think so though, But he's he was absolutely brilliant.
He was, and probably the reason why it was released
is because he was that far advanced.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Jeff has all of those papers in his basement.

Speaker 7 (01:11:18):
Just behind the corvette.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
The case of government isn't you know, wants to get
him back. Yeah, yeah, sorry, Jeff.

Speaker 6 (01:11:35):
You guys, so, you guys have been been talking about
all kinds of cool stuff and and I think that
there's also you were talking about Mars and uh, you
talk about all that kind of stuff before I ever
got on here. So you know, we have so much
data on Mars. I mean lots of data on Mars,
but we have hardly any data on Venus. I mean

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hardly anything, right, And I find that so amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
Why.

Speaker 6 (01:12:04):
I don't know, it's so uber focused on Mars.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
I mean yeah, but I always thought, you know, when
I was a kid growing up, it was Venus that
was erst whin.

Speaker 6 (01:12:13):
Yeah, exact, Venus exactly, and that was the closest that's right.

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
So where did the narrative change? Why did the narrative change?

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
I don't know, you know, you know, it's like you're
talking about funding programs, right. The whole the whole focus
was we're going to get everybody in the Mars because
you know what, one day, when either bombs or the
environment destroys this earth, we're gonna have to go over
to to Mars.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Why not? Okay?

Speaker 8 (01:12:39):
I mean is it really that much to learn from Venus?

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
Though?

Speaker 8 (01:12:42):
I Mean that's kind of what I think is like,
just what what? There's only so many things you can
spend money on. Sure, what do you learn from Venus?

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Venus? Jeff?

Speaker 8 (01:12:53):
Well, I landed there, you know that, right, Jeff? I mean, so.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Is Chat or rock or whoever, and ask it about
the environment on Venus.

Speaker 8 (01:13:06):
Well, we know about the environment on Venus.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
I mean you didn't read it because I can't memorize everything.

Speaker 8 (01:13:12):
Just the environment on Venus.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
Yeah, yeah, since we're talking about Venus, because I we do, remember,
I have all these memories of Venus, Venus, Venus, never Mars,
like nobody ever talked about Mars. And now that's all
you hear about it. Well, men are from Mars, right, yeah,
and women are from the Venus, all right.

Speaker 8 (01:13:35):
So Venus has one of the most extreme and hostile
environments in the Solar System. Average surface average surface temperature
is four hundred and sixty four degrees celsius or eight
hundred and sixty seven degrees fahrenheit, enough to melt lead
and zinc. It is actually hot on the surface than
on Mercury, even though Venus is nearly twice as far
from the sun.

Speaker 6 (01:13:56):
Yeah, because the environment.

Speaker 8 (01:13:58):
Yeah yeah, and that it's got a thick atmosphere, so
the airth so the surface atmospheric pressure is ninety times
that of Earth. It's the equivalent of being nine hundred
meters underwater, so our heads would explode ins.

Speaker 6 (01:14:09):
Yeah, it's not really about going and living ones, it's
just that when we talk about environments and comparing environments
and understanding gases in those environments, it's that that's the
kind of data I'm talking about. I'm not talking about
going over there and putting a freaking vessel underneath gases.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
I love it makes it's got it. Her little witty comments,
She goes, yeah, but it's dry.

Speaker 6 (01:14:38):
Let me tell you about dry heat. I went to
I built a lab for King Abdullah for Caxs in
Saudi Arabia, realc and I was training there women to
use hyperspectral to look at diabetes issues because that's a
big problem in Saudi Arabia. Man, that place is freaking hot.

(01:15:00):
But it's like she was, it's dry, dry, dry heat.
You know those old gas heaters in the gym that
used to be on the ceiling back in the old days,
really blowing out real.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Hot in the eighties when this seventies.

Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
Eighties time for it, but usually the seventies. Man, but
they had these big gas heaters. If you brought that
all the way to the floor, turn it on high
and stood in front of that thing, that's what it
was like, yes at that time.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
Well, anyway, thank you for clearing up the Venus. Obviously
we can't. We can't live there, it's.

Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
Too Yeah, and so the focus is on That's why
the long term space flight stuff and everything was focused
more on Mores because yeah, there's more of a case
actually there, but having data is a whole totally different
u subject matter.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
You wouldn't think though, that it would still be more
practical to just build a planet, you know, like build
a small star. Yeah, like a like ad where you
could you know, you could drive it where you needed
to drive it.

Speaker 6 (01:16:08):
Well, we make dinosaurs that we drive.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
So yeah, that's true. We do I know about that.
What do you got there, Jeff?

Speaker 8 (01:16:15):
That's a picture from the Veniera thirteen lander. The Soviets
sent a probe there in eighty two and it didn't
last very long. The thing just melted imagine minutes. But
they did land on the surface and got some pictures.
But yeah, the whole thing melted pretty good.

Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
Yeah, talking about blowing government dollars there you go.

Speaker 8 (01:16:35):
Well it was the Russians, the Soviets did that.

Speaker 7 (01:16:37):
So what one nice picture?

Speaker 6 (01:16:39):
How much did that picture costs?

Speaker 8 (01:16:41):
Well, and we didn't care, We let it.

Speaker 6 (01:16:43):
We didn't, We didn't no idstand you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:16:46):
So obviously it wasn't important to us because we're like
us said before, they didn't care.

Speaker 6 (01:16:53):
Yeah, yeah, we don't need to send stuff over there
to melt, that's for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:16:56):
No, I think again, My my opinion is that there's
limited there's very limited scientific value.

Speaker 6 (01:17:04):
From that picture. It looks like it.

Speaker 8 (01:17:07):
Yeah, it's just an unpleasant place. There's there's just nothing
you can do there.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Yeah, it looked like the whole damn planet was made
of bronze.

Speaker 8 (01:17:16):
It's not a nice place.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
No, No, not a contest either, not a price. That's
probably what they said after they landed. Oh my god. Okay,
so let's I wanted to Okay, just so the audience
get to know. And I really don't know exactly what
you've experienced and not tell us some Mark stories. Come on, Mark,

(01:17:43):
loosen up, give us some tell us some weird.

Speaker 7 (01:17:46):
Stories, some weird stories.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Scientist is experienced. What makes I want to know? What
makes Mark so damn open minded?

Speaker 7 (01:17:55):
Because you are, well I grew up.

Speaker 6 (01:17:58):
Yeah, most people would most people, well not most people,
but they're actually becoming more open to it these days.
But I was always sensitive as a child. I'm talking
sensitive like paranormal sensitive and both while seeing things actually
hearing from them sometimes and also you know, shadows and

(01:18:21):
things like that and wicked, wicked dreams. So you know,
a lot of that stuff opened me up. And even
though I grew up in the church and I still
have a strong faith, seeing all that kind of stuff
and having all that sensitivity kind of gives you a
more open minded space as to what's going on, right,
and then that traversed into everything else. I did, you know,

(01:18:44):
I'm on the spectrum. Even though I work with the spectrum,
I happen to also be on the spectrum. So that
also opens up quite a bit as well, and it
makes me more of a free thinker. So I like
to think about things and then, like you said, I
think about them first and there's simplicity, and then I
try to break it down from there. So you know,
that's kind of That's kind of how I kind of

(01:19:07):
opened up to a lot of different things, whether it
be the paranormal, whether it be the veil, whether it
beat the mensality, and then all the science stuff. It's
kind of funny. I guess it's always been sitting there.
I was a musician touring for a good period of time,
recorded with lots of rock stars and put out albums
and played in huge studios and stuff. And then one

(01:19:30):
day I just said, you know what, I'm gonna go
get this job and just found out that when I
started working at that Boeing job that I just had
really clicked with science and technology. And so that's what
really brought me more into the innovative space from there.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
By the way, I don't mean you don't even have
to answer those short but somebody brought a question. We
were on another show. A lot of people that are
in our chat were on that show. Now, we took
a survey of how many people were oh negative blood right?
And it was like, oh negative, oh negative negative, Like
everybody was extraordinary in the audience was a negative? Or

(01:20:12):
do you wanna do you want to say anything about that?
Do you want to give away your blood type? On?

Speaker 7 (01:20:20):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:20:20):
My blood type is not? Oh it's uh, I don't remember.
It's either A or B. I don't remember which one. Okay,
there you go, uh and and uh you know, so
I really don't. I really don't know what makes us
one person more sensitive to those things than other other
than I think it's something that's related to our brain

(01:20:40):
and too, you know, to us personally as to and
also our openness. Right, so more of a conduit for
those kind of things. Uh and uh, I would agree that. Uh,
you know, trauma I was just reading this here, and
emotional events do increase that a bit. I had plenty guys,

(01:21:01):
if you want, you can read my book Reality was
once a tepestry of the dreamer. There's lots of trauma
and stuff like that, so that could possibly be part
of the prescription for that. So but anyway, that's as
far as blood type. I can tell you that, you know,
you can use imaging at five forty five seventy get

(01:21:22):
absorption of blood oxygen the hemoglobin and seven sixty nine
for the de oxy and you can do a ratio
and get you a nice oxygen saturation map.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
Okay, so you avoided my question. Do you want to
share any of yours anything gets scared you or that
you've seen that really freaked out?

Speaker 6 (01:21:42):
Oh? Yeah, So the one thing that really freaked me out,
So the one the one I was at. So I
went to a parochial school in New Jersey and at
the time I was eleven, my father was just murdered
the year before. He was a eliot for the Columbo
crime family. When I was living in New Jersey and

(01:22:04):
that was around nineteen seventy seven, and I was walking
down the hallway and you know that feeling where you
feel like somebody's like looking at you, you know, like
for the corner on the side. So I looked up
and standing, of all things, it wasn't in the church.
It was in the school area. You know those old
schools had like you go up the steps and you

(01:22:25):
had a plateau and you go up and other set
of steps to go to the second floor. And standing
there on that plateau was this robed, white, bright white being.
Standing there obviously from the feet up to the shoulders
was an angel, had wings the whole nine yards. But

(01:22:47):
then I looked at the face and it was evil incarnate.
Looked like it wanted to eat my fricking face off.
And I felt really, really sick, and it was very malevolent,
and uh it was It felt like it was there
for ten minutes, but it's probably there for just seconds.
But that was probably the craziest thing that ever happened
to Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
Could you you know how beautiful mic you have?

Speaker 6 (01:23:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
Yeah? Yeah, do you want to just there you go?

Speaker 6 (01:23:17):
There you go. Did you hear any of that then?

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah we did. This is so much better
when you're closer.

Speaker 6 (01:23:24):
But that's the christ the craziest thing that happened.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
That is okay, so you know, damn well what you saw?

Speaker 6 (01:23:31):
Oh I know, damn well, I felt it too. I'm
a I'm an EmPATH as well.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
So okay, and what do you think? Okay, so you
know what's weird about these experiences? They don't happen again.
It's like a one time one and done. Why what
they call you would think it would repeat, like, okay,
now I want to start seeing these things every week
or every month or every year, and you never do.

Speaker 6 (01:23:54):
I saw them, Yeah, I saw them a lot as
a child. Yeah. But the thing is that you learned
when you when you deal with that enough, you learned
to shut it out because it becomes too overwhelming. It's
kind of like having too many single signals coming in
at one time, and so you just learned to put
walls up. So that's that's kind of And they creep

(01:24:19):
in every now and then. It's it's rare, but it happens.
It usually happens when your emotional stability falls. Like my
wife passed away in April this year, and of course
that that totally, well, thank you, that totally that totally
ruined me for a while. So of course my guards
were down, and so weird stuff was happening. But you know,

(01:24:39):
and it wasn't like we were just together a small
period of time. We were together forty one years. I
met her when she was sixteen and we were married for
like thirty one right, oh no, thank you, thank you.
But it's that's kind of when you're in that space,
you kind of lose your guards a little bit. So, yeah,
it was shimmery, absolutely, yes it was. It was very shimmery.

(01:25:00):
Somebody was asking a question, was it shimmery? And what's
interesting is that most people think about demons, they think
about you know, red horned kind of like your bee
had on the earlier you know, the horn, the horn
stuff that really quite frankly, they're fallen angels, right, so
they they still have the you know, the ability to
have the light and be shimmery and look like that.

(01:25:21):
So it was just the face was like you piece
of crap I want to eat your face right off,
you know, so it wasn't exactly the kind of angel
I wanted to hang around with.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
Well, would you describe the face of what you saw
a little more detail? Did it have like alien type?

Speaker 6 (01:25:38):
No? No, no, no, it was so if you do
you have you ever seen like the the artwork of
like the demons in India and stuff where they have
those really funky, you know, evil looking faces.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
No, not, not really.

Speaker 6 (01:25:52):
It kind of looked like that, but it was. It was.
It was definitely though humanesque. It wasn't. It wasn't a
as far as like you know, the big eyes and
the gray and okay.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Yeah, but it looked meaner than it looked really mean.

Speaker 6 (01:26:08):
Oh oh yeah, it looked like it it did not
like being around me and wanted to do something to me.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
Did it move? Did it just stare at you?

Speaker 6 (01:26:17):
Did it it stared at me like it wanted to
light my light me on fire?

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
Yeah, so I had. I had. There were two things
that I saw kind of similar to what you're seeing.
Is in the seventies, I woke up abruptly one night
and there was a hooded figure standing at the foot
of my bed just staring me down with evil looking right.
It did not look friendly right right, And when I

(01:26:43):
when I burst up to turn the light on, it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
Was gone, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
And then another time here about it's about eighteen years ago.
I was driving on a road well three in the morning,
and up ahead of me, up ahead of me, I
saw what I thought was a woman in a white
robe walking her dog up way up ahead of me,

(01:27:10):
and I thought, okay, yeah, your dog's gona appe, you're
gonna take it out. She put a robe on in
it because it's really a white robe. I can see
it up ahead, but she's leaning back and the dog
is pulling her. But as I got closer, I realized
there was no dog and the lean was just a lean.
There was no leash, no low lean. And as I

(01:27:31):
got really close, I realized it wasn't a robe. It
was just a white creature and it and I tried
too like an idiot. It probably was an idiot. I
drove right up to it, and it turned its body
and looked at my window with the meanest look I
could describe, like evil mean, and then it turned back

(01:27:55):
around and walked into the forest. And I'm like, oh
my god, you know I mean that Doug about chills. Yeah, yeah,
what else? You know, what the hell is that about?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:28:08):
Yeah, Sometimes it's just circumstance. Other times it's, you know,
just a signal to you, or maybe there's like a
change in your life, like for example, and my father
was just murdered and it was a really rough time.
What better time to really start bashing on someone's faith, right,
I mean, so, you know, it's it's stuff like that.
And sometimes it's just circumstance. You come up on an

(01:28:29):
area that has that kind of activity, and there's and
there's both good and evil that that hover around, and
you know that kind of you just happen to be
in the right place at the right time to see that.

Speaker 8 (01:28:39):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
So do you need to go give your dog love? Mark? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:28:42):
I think so. He's he mustn't. He must know that
he needs he must need a bone or something.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
Yeah, go put your camera on, Just turn your camera off, temporarily,
put your moke off. Go take care of your dog
and come back when he's happy, okay, or bring him
in jump.

Speaker 6 (01:28:57):
I'll be right back.

Speaker 8 (01:29:03):
I got I actually found a cover of his book
here too.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
We can cool.

Speaker 8 (01:29:08):
Yeah, let's check that out. That's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
So Reality, you can sure Mark's camera temporarily get you
h put him out in the back room. There you go.
All right, let's see here. Reality was once the Tapestry
of the Dreamer. Okay, that's a title. Very interesting. I

(01:29:33):
wonder what that book's about. I'm not quite.

Speaker 8 (01:29:35):
Sure that's the one. He mentioned that he actually had
a copy of sitting behind him too.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
No, I know he mentioned it. I just wonder what
it's really about.

Speaker 8 (01:29:43):
I bet we can find out when he comes back.

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
Yeah, we'll have to get into a little bit more.
Somebody wrote, where's Mark? He's taking care of dog? I said,
you have an unhappy dog. We'll take care of him. Yeah,
give him some love, people, bone, give him some food,
give him something. He's obviously this dog is having separation anxiety.
We don't want that. I don't like to hear it.

(01:30:07):
It's like, you know, you can just tell, like, just
go give him a hug.

Speaker 8 (01:30:12):
Yeah, the dog was freaking out.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
Yeah, I'm looking at.

Speaker 8 (01:30:19):
Some of the comments if you make got a good
question here.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
But I'll tell you, Jeff, have you ever seen another
like humanoid type thing doing that to you? It is
It is very unsettling.

Speaker 8 (01:30:34):
You know, I feel like I used to be a
lot more sensitive to stuff like that, and then something
happened that just shut it off. I don't know. I
don't know what happened. I can't really place how long
ago it was, but I don't know. It's like, all
of a sudden, my imagination just kind of dialed back

(01:30:57):
a bit, if that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
But you don't need imagination when you see something in
trusts me.

Speaker 8 (01:31:03):
No, I think I.

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
I'm just driving home, trying to get home. That's all
I'm doing. I'm not thinking about anything remotely like And
then you just like I said, I thought it was
a woman, it looks like Mark's here again. I thought
it was a woman walking her dog. I mean, how
benign is that? Right? And then you realize it's not
a woman walking her dog. It's something else. And as

(01:31:28):
you get closer and closer, this whole experience unfolds before you.
But it had nothing to do with your state of
mind or.

Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
Yeah, something well some sometimes children though, are more open
to it. So and when they get to a certain
age it shuts off.

Speaker 8 (01:31:43):
Or that's what I'm just talking about. It something in
me just kinda yeah, it's kind.

Speaker 6 (01:31:50):
Of like that bell. It's like that bell on that
that was it polar express, right, the ones that can
hear it believe in Santa Claus. And then when it
stops ringing, you know, long believe.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
You know. It's like a good analogy. All right, what
the hell is your book about? It's it's weird. I'm
just saying that right out. Mark's book looks really weird.

Speaker 6 (01:32:10):
So that is that's the alternate me. So my album
by my second album by Fiction six. The inside of
the album has four pictures of the band members which
all have their alternate me. So you know, one side
is the rocker what you see on the one side,
and the other side is the more you know with
the tie, the scientist that's out the executive out there

(01:32:31):
doing the the other stuff during the day. So that's
what that whole that whole thing is about. And the
reality was once a tapestry of the dreamer is my
philosophy from long ago. It's that I was always a dreamer,
but you have to do something with that dream in
order to bring it to reality so that it affects
other people, it affects you, and it does it does

(01:32:52):
good things, can you just dream about it will never
come to to reality. So and that's all part of
that tapestry, but you have to take that first step. Yeah,
and the book is just about The book is about
my life. People were kept telling me, you need to
write a book about your crazy life, because I mean,
my father was in the mafia. My I was the
first born in the United States to a family that

(01:33:13):
was run out of Indonesia, the Dutch East Indies that
went from to Holland and then from Holland to the
United States through Ellis Island and uh. And then you know,
I was a rock star and I was in NASA,
and I was all this all this stuff along the way,
paranormal and all this stuff. So somebody said, you need

(01:33:34):
to write a book. So I wrote a book two
and eighty one page. It's got all kinds of stories,
cool stories about hanging out with Motorhead and and playing
with rock stars, being on an album with Richie Sambor,
you know, I mean, just a bunch of different stuffy so.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
Very cool. Are you still like, how often do you
participate in playing with a band?

Speaker 6 (01:34:00):
Yeah? I still right now, We still record, but I'm
supposed to do next year where We put in bids
to play in India, Malaysia, the UK and maybe Europe.
None of those have been signed off yet. One of
them was delayed. We were supposed to play in India
and December, but but I'm still recording. I just did
an album with a Malaysian artist. I'm recording a my

(01:34:25):
solo album. I wrote a song for my wife the
day after she was born. And the guitar player bumble
Foot from Guns and Roses and Sons of Apollo plays
the guitar solo and my friend two time Grammy winner
Wakely plays keys. And so you know, I've got a
bunch of people that are playing on my solo album.
They're all rock star friends, you know, from Lily and
Axe and all these different bands.

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
So what genre is your band?

Speaker 6 (01:34:50):
Well, I play rock mainly, but I'm writing I'm writing
a pop song right now with another pop artist, and
I write heavy metal. I write rock. I do all
kinds of different stuff, classic A R stuff, and I
do tributes. There's a on YouTube you can look up
Wicked tributes. We did like fifty tributes during the pandemic.
That's everything from the Beg's to Megadeath.

Speaker 8 (01:35:12):
We did everything that sounds fun.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
Yeah, we have to check that out. Well, I have
to me and you really haven't talked too much about music. Yeah, okay,
So Bigfoot something that people see a lot of, Like
it's sure, it's mind blowing, Mark, it really is. How
many hunters and just people campers, hunters, blah blah blah?

(01:35:36):
Is this something different? Are we dealing with? You know,
something too that's maybe in that paranormal realm spiritual realm?
Or is it just a damn flesh and blood creature.

Speaker 6 (01:35:51):
Yeah, that's a that's a good question because there's a
lot of stuff that happens around it that people have
witnessed that would be more like paranormal. Absolutely, Others have
witnessed stuff that would be more like scientific, like you know,
what waveforms others have you know heard of course tree knocking? Uh,
Like it's more primitive kind of stuff. And so it's

(01:36:13):
hard to say, but you know, there's been some pictures
some most of them are grainy. There's been a couple
that were a little better than others. But so I'm
not a non believer. I'd like to see one. But
but but there's a lot, there's definitely a lot of
sightings of a big foot by a lot of people,

(01:36:33):
a lot of all over the all over the world.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
Yeah, people have no idea if they if the average
person really knew how many sightings you know, taking place
by very credible people, double witnesses, blah blah blah blah blah.
And we're not talking about a shadow in the woods.
I'm talking about it out in the open.

Speaker 6 (01:36:53):
Yeah, I'm talking about a big old Hey, what the
hell is this right in front of you? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
Yeah, so you think you see, you're just completely open
minded about like it could be anything.

Speaker 6 (01:37:06):
Well, you have to be open minded with that many
witness accounts. I mean you could say it's anything. People again,
people want to make it something, you know, and and
so that they feel better about themselves and feel better
about how smart and wonderful they are. You know, you
have to be open about it because we don't have
the answer. There's lots of witnesses out there, a lot

(01:37:28):
of stuff has been seen, the same kind of things
are said from each witness that are very similar to
other accounts. So you kind of have to look at
it and say, keep on looking because we need to
know more about it. So, you know, like even hyper
spectral has been used for For example, as funny story,
as my wife was watching the Discovery Channel I think

(01:37:49):
it was Discovery Channel. They were watching Expedition Bigfoot YEP,
and she goes, Mark, she put it on pause. She goes,
that's your image. I looked up there and they were
using my my processed image from from an arm with
the lymphatic and vein system that was processed with principal
component analysis and classification. They were using on their show.

(01:38:11):
And I was like, oh crap, that is it's mine.

Speaker 4 (01:38:13):
What were they for?

Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
They were just to explain hyper spectral. They it's it's
a it's an image that's out there in the public domain.
People can see it, you know. If they just type
in Mark Allen Leanu or Mark Leneu hyper spectral, it
you know, it pops up. It's one that I made
in the nineties with some of my colleagues, and they
used it and they put it on the show. And
I didn't know anything about it, but my wife saw
it on the expedition.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
Pick Okay, how can those technology? How could it be
used in the woods? Do you do you have any
thoughts on that? What what could we build if we
were smart enough.

Speaker 6 (01:38:48):
Yeah, So you have to look at the waves as
to what you're looking at. It's kind of like when
people are looking for like when the when the police
used to try to find marijuana, for example, but what
they would do is they would grow underneath the canopy
because your traditional wavelengths are not going to see through
the canopy. So you have to kind of look and
see what is it you're trying to look for. What
are you try and detect, and then make a system

(01:39:09):
that will work in the environment, because it's not gonna
using just visible and near infrared hyperspectral in the woods
is not going to be extremely useful unless you're in
an open, open area or you're trying to find out
something about the vegetation in the area or stuff that's
around it that may be affected by something being in
that area. But you you really have to kind of

(01:39:32):
pinpoint what it is you're looking for and then how
what kind of wavelength you're going to use to get
to that spot. I don't know if that answers it,
but you have to really kind of key in on
the on how you want to use it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:47):
Can you put that in third grade germs?

Speaker 6 (01:39:51):
Well, the grass is green because at five hundred and
fifty five nanometers, it's at its peak when it's healthy
because most of the green is reflected from the plant,
as the crab cycle only uses the red, the blue,
and some of the green.

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
But how can we use this technology? Is there something
that could be built like like uses combines, photography and lighter?

Speaker 6 (01:40:14):
Yeah, sure, sure all of those. That's exactly what I
was saying, is you So if you want structure, you're
going to light. Art's great, right. If you want if
you want to know if there's a blood response, sure
visible in there for red's great because you can use
five forty five seventy and seven sixty nine have an
algorithm that says, hey, there's something there, it's bio, there's

(01:40:35):
blood blah blah blah. Yeah, so you can kind of
stitch all those together to kind of come up with
some particular methodology or modality that gives you an answer
that you're looking for. So, yes, all of that technology
is useful. You just have to be able to build
it in a way that's a derivative that works for
a specific purpose that you're trying to use it for.

Speaker 4 (01:40:54):
Are there any Are there any This is kind of
a Johnny question. Are there any camera that like are
recording or filming or capturing all of the frequencies at once,
you know, well, ire the visible spectrums, the hyper spectral,

(01:41:14):
abloh blah blah blah. Is there anything?

Speaker 6 (01:41:16):
It's it's it's very complicated because a lot of those
use specific substrates. So if you're if you're like, if
you're just looking at the short wave infrared between like
nine hundred and seventeen hundred, you use in gas indian ga, galleum, sulfid.
Other times you might use mercury, tellride. If you want
to look at the middle wave infrared, you're going to

(01:41:37):
use most likely silicon. When it comes to the visible
spectrum and stuff, because that's the kind of substrates people use.
So and you can you can put codings on them
and get down to the UV. They do make what's
called a full spectrum camera, but that's not technically like
separating it out into specific wave links where you can

(01:41:57):
move through those wavelengths and try to figure out what
it is you're looking for and calculate that. So, so
the fact is it's really hard to make an instrument
that covers all of those ranges. You would need multiple
cameras to do it from a scientific perspective if you're
just looking for ghosts. You know, of course they use
full full spectrum cameras just because they want to see

(01:42:20):
something move within some area of the spectrum. But it's
not the same as split.

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
Do you think it's possible that like neurallink at some point, well,
I've heard that it can give like the blind if
they get neuralink that they're working on giving them like supervision,
like it'll cover UV.

Speaker 6 (01:42:38):
And yeah, yeah, that's that's where we're getting into filtration.
That's a that's a bit different where you're You could
also look at different types of nanomterials that respond to
different wavelengths, like you know, for example, titanium dioxide is
a photo catalyst, whereas zinc oxide responds better to UV uh.

(01:42:59):
You know. So there's lots of different things that we
can look at that do those kind of things. So
that's a whole different area in generation, which we're starting
to get more into the filtration and nanoscience and filtering.
And then there's the virtual perspective of stuff like I
believe we can probably come up a really good construct
for virtual polarization because polarizing filters cut your signal like

(01:43:20):
in half and so if and but polarizers are important
if you're wanting to look like for small vessels of
rotation and your nose for example, with imaging, you're gonna
want to polarize it because your skin scatters so much
you can't see them. So but I you know, so
things like that. So you are on something there is
that that's what the future is. It's moving into that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
Well maybe it'll be one of those people that have
neuralink that end up solving some of these mysteries.

Speaker 6 (01:43:49):
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, how about a sensitive that has neuralink?

Speaker 7 (01:43:52):
And right exactly, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
It's just you know, it's exciting in a lot of
ways we're living. Do you have to admit we are
living in really really interesting times.

Speaker 6 (01:44:05):
Well, especially especially us. I mean we saw we saw
regular phones connected to the wall that became cell phones.
We saw beepers come into reality. Uh a computer at
nineteen eighty, we saw the PC coming there and we
were no longer having to deal with Commodore sixty four's.
And in television, I had one, Did you have a comedy?
I had a Commodore sixty, I had one.

Speaker 8 (01:44:27):
I love that thing.

Speaker 6 (01:44:28):
Yeah yeah, I see constant. Many people look at me
in the gym and go, yo, what are you forty two?
It's like, no, I'll be sixty next to.

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
I wrote back when I was Oh my god, I
was so young. I wrote a law. I worked on
it for like two years. I wrote something that was
like a fake AI program. Yeah yeah, on my Commodore.
I remember you would you would download it on like
audio tape, your program.

Speaker 6 (01:44:54):
Yeah, yeah, you saved it on audio tape. I was
writing dungeons and dragons programs with the little dots on
them and putting them on a cassette. Yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
But I wrote this thing called chat. You can have
hours long conversation with it would get to know you.

Speaker 6 (01:45:09):
And that's what happens when you stay in a room
by yourself too long.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
Man. But I was like, thinking, this is like artificial intelligence.
Before I'd never even heard the word. But obviously it wasn't.
But it was. It wasn't, but it was was it.

Speaker 6 (01:45:29):
I don't know, maybe maybe you're just in the matrix.

Speaker 8 (01:45:32):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
I worked on it, but I'm like, why did I
do that? I don't know I worked on it forever.

Speaker 6 (01:45:41):
I'm sorry. Someone is still playing D and D. I
have to ask them do they have the original Gary
Gygax hardcover books and the Ralph Partha lead figures.

Speaker 8 (01:45:54):
That takes us back? I know that's what you're talking about.
I played fifth Edition. I like Fifth Edition a lot
was pretty grey Hawk.

Speaker 6 (01:46:02):
Greyhawk too, right, mostly in.

Speaker 8 (01:46:06):
I haven't played in Great Hawk. It's been a long time.
Good stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:46:09):
My god, I'm sorry. I had to get geeky there
for a moment.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
Man, Chet's going crazy. Okay, Now, Veraxa had a question
that was similar to mine about I can fight. I
had it up and then somebody, somebody called us nerds.
I think Matt called us a nerd.

Speaker 6 (01:46:29):
I am occasionally a nerd, you know, I do. I
do fall out of my cool hat and then, you know,
fall into the nerd character.

Speaker 8 (01:46:38):
That is that the picture you were talking about?

Speaker 6 (01:46:40):
That is it right there? So we had we had
a we had a project which was to image the
arms to make it easier to put the needle into
the arm and hospitals in the nineties and so that it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
Swear to got Okay, now I swear to got you
back in the God. It was the late nineties. I
was working with on the exact same thing, and we
were actually getting images like this for the same reason.
And not only it never got released, but we were

(01:47:11):
it's some cool stuff, man, that is so cool.

Speaker 6 (01:47:17):
And and there's somebody here I am virex asking about
the hyperspectual and stud I have some. I have some.
So hyperspectral when you're looking at the changes in the
wavelength based on photon response, so which is what it's absorbing,
what it's reflecting, what it's refracting, et cetera, and so forth,
is different than if you're like dealing with disembodied voices

(01:47:41):
like EVPs, you know, which is more on the basis
of sound energy, which they're both waveforms, but they are
recorded in different ways. So but I do have some
cool theories on my website. We were talking about this earlier,
so at Mark Allen Lenu dot com. Uh, I have

(01:48:02):
a page called random Theories and there are some theories
on there about E v P and and aliens and
all that kind of stuff that they can they can
check out if they want to check that out.

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
Oh my goodness, I'm just reading all these crazy great
comments people are.

Speaker 6 (01:48:22):
Making Okay, it's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:48:23):
Yeah, yeah, Oh my god, where the hell doest one
even go with you?

Speaker 6 (01:48:32):
They rock?

Speaker 4 (01:48:33):
Man, let's see, let's talk about weasel tails.

Speaker 8 (01:48:40):
I'm just.

Speaker 6 (01:48:42):
Genetically modified or.

Speaker 4 (01:48:51):
I'm just wondering. When do you think, Okay, so when
do you think we're gonna see the next like generation
of cameras come out? Like right now we have IR cameras,
the degree and night visiony kind of things that they've
kind of died out now. Thermal cameras are kind of
taken over.

Speaker 6 (01:49:09):
Well, a lot of it was based on cost, Like
we did have thermal hyperspectral where we would actually split
but it was a million dollars for a fricking system
to put in an aircraft and fly it and do whatever.
And it's all based on the fact is as you
get into what we call exotica, as you move away
from them cheaper stuff like silicon, which is everywhere, right,

(01:49:31):
it's everywhere, And so when you start moving into the
more fashionable substrates that work in those ranges, it becomes
more and more expensive because the process becomes more and
more expensive. The cameras, how they make them, become more expensive.
The architecture becomes more expensive, so by the time you
get to the end of that, it's very, very expensive.

(01:49:53):
So the answer is what you were talking about earlier.
We need to get to more of how do we
do with the filters, the nano materials, how do we
make that stuff work in a way that gives us
answers at a more cost effective in a more cost
effective way, because even the thermal cameras, that's different than

(01:50:13):
looking at a long wave system because just because you're
looking at thermal, you're just looking at whether something's hot
or cold. You're not really deviating as to what that
specific window of the spectrum means.

Speaker 8 (01:50:26):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:50:26):
That's those are two totally different things. So when people
talk about thermal, they get it sometimes confused with what's
thermal and what's long wave infrared and short wave infrared,
middle wave infrared, all those I have different parts of
the spectrum that you can slice up and know something
more about sor Right.

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
But back to my question, is there something maybe new
on the horizon at some point coming.

Speaker 6 (01:50:53):
I think that we're moving closer to it, but I
don't know that it's gonna be like immediate. I think
it's gonna be I think it's gonna be a little
while because we're still in the infancy in the nano
material area compared to everything else, I mean, even graphene.
We still are. We're still bouncing around with different theories
about you know, graphene, about you know, what is this
efficiency in ambient air and creating energy. What's oh graphie.

Speaker 4 (01:51:19):
That that thin layer of carbon?

Speaker 6 (01:51:23):
Yeah, yeah, very thin layer. And but we do make
different types now where we have thicker, multiple layers of it.
Some people just call it graphite when it's thick enough,
but graphene at a one layer of graphene has a
very efficient absorption perspective to it, whereas when you get

(01:51:45):
it thicker, it then has a different response. So you
can change it to do different things. You can like
coat sensors, for example, to make them a better sensor.
In some cases, you can also change the elements within
particular sensor so that it detects certain things that it
wouldn't with other materials. So that's what's nice about the

(01:52:07):
chemistry and the bio and the and the nano material
kind of and structure of things, because now we can
make stuff that's more geared toward detecting specific things.

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
Okay, just like to I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (01:52:22):
I think I understood growing nano fibers off of of
something so that you get more areas of sensitivity, and
doping those and coding them with graphene. Things like that
are are what people are working on to improve the
efficacy of sensing. Okay, does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just I'm just kind
of down here.

Speaker 6 (01:52:45):
That's okay, that's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:52:46):
Yeah, you're you're really amazing.

Speaker 8 (01:52:50):
Yeah, graphene has got some weird properties. It's kind of
a whole yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:52:54):
Yeah, and and and different people will say different.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
The whole example of how thin it is graphene.

Speaker 6 (01:53:01):
Uh, it's like I don't I don't remember the exact
measurement of it. My my now my my professor who's
really into it, would know the exact the exact measurement.
But it's really freaking I look at it and I

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have to look at the fibers and a microscope.

Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
You can kind of make it yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:53:28):
You can make you can make you can make it.
You can make so you can you can put the
stuff together in a lab like that. You can get
your graphine powder and and create like reduced graphene and
different types of coatings for graphine.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
What was the deal with scotch tape? You could like
get one layer of atoms of graphite or carbon. Ain't
that correct? You remember that?

Speaker 6 (01:53:54):
No, I don't remember that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
We don't.

Speaker 6 (01:53:56):
We don't use scotch tape with our Well, use the
scotch tape to hold some things down sometimes.

Speaker 8 (01:54:05):
But from what I found here, So, graphene is one atom,
it's literally one atom thing.

Speaker 6 (01:54:11):
Yes, it's a lattice. Yeah, well that's what.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
I meant when I said, can you explain how thick
it is?

Speaker 8 (01:54:17):
It's one atom thick, but ratural thickness. It's point point
three four five nanometers.

Speaker 6 (01:54:23):
That's what I was looking for with Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:54:24):
Point three four five nanometers. And for comparison, a human
hair is roughly eighty to one hundred thousand nanimeters.

Speaker 6 (01:54:31):
Thus I use a microscope to look for it.

Speaker 8 (01:54:34):
Yeah. So it's it's it's small, but you can do
some strange stuff. It's a it's a very unusual material.

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
So you think people but people should be confident to
continue to buy thermal cameras because we don't have anything
coming like in the next two three years.

Speaker 6 (01:54:52):
Like yeah, well, I mean, yeah, well think about it.
How long it took to really advance that too. Like
the first Fleer cameras, for example, they brought them to
NASA at Stennis in the nineties, So I saw the
first generation of those things come there, and so you
can see how far they've come since then. I mean

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they were they were really crude then compared to what
you have now. And that's the same case with all
of this stuff. As these people start to work on us,
some really smart people working on these things, and and
you know, over time there's gonna be some cool stuff
that comes out of that.

Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
Yeah. I remember Micron it was late nineties, borrowed me
one that was attaching it to uh like hotter balloons
and stuff. And finally I got around asking that guy
borrowing it to me, what does thing cost?

Speaker 6 (01:55:43):
He's like, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:55:48):
Well the first hyper spectrals that I built, that was
that was selling around the world and building like going
to places like Sweden and stuff. Those were one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars. I mean, so and that was
just for visible near and for red uh you know,
and so now they're down to those types of systems
are down to more like forty fifty k. Yeah, but

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but I mean they were expensive, especially when it's novel
and it's new and it's you know, something that you know,
everybody wants to get in their hands, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:56:17):
So so what do you think about things like manifestation
and things like that? Is that something that you thought about?
Put any eggs in that basket?

Speaker 6 (01:56:29):
What are you talking about? Manifestation?

Speaker 4 (01:56:32):
Positive thinking? You know, just the whole manifestation thing kind
of like, well, let's just start with positive thinking. Do
you think that really has a great effect on people.

Speaker 6 (01:56:46):
I think positive thinking is is it does have a
great effect on people. So I've that's what I've always
I was always intrigued by cultures, and there are some
cultures that have a higher premise in that particular or
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
Yeah, I mean I.

Speaker 6 (01:57:01):
Traveled to Tibet because I was supposed to possibly image
the sacred scrolls of the Dalai Lama's Palace. I went
to the Dalai Lama's Palace, and I also talked to
the people there. I've imaged the National Treasures of China,
the terra Cotta Warrior collection, the walls behind the Hidden
Palace where you know they were trying to remember or

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see what was originally on the wall so we can
image it so they can repaint it. I imaged the
famous Gua Ng the thousand and seven hands in Dazu, China,
or I was up on the mountains on the mountain
side with the uh standing up on all of the
you know, the rafters and scaffolding to image them to
look at new pigments and stuff like that. So, but

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a lot of those areas they have that positive you
know think, especially like in Tibet and stuff. Is that positivity.
It's that yin yang in the positive aspect.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
So have you have you ever experienced like crazy coincidences
like something that was like what that was like a
one in a billion that that.

Speaker 6 (01:58:07):
Happened most of my life?

Speaker 4 (01:58:11):
Well, I'm digging, Mark, I'm trying to dig into your
stone brain. Is there something you want to share? A
coincidence you can think of? Oh, man, that seemed a
little place.

Speaker 6 (01:58:25):
Give me a coincidence, because the funny thing about coincidence
is coincidence like spiritual coincidence, technological coincidence, anything.

Speaker 4 (01:58:35):
I don't give a damn.

Speaker 6 (01:58:40):
Oh you know, I'm trying to think if I can't
nothing really comes in bubbles to the surface. That's that
would consider like coincidence.

Speaker 4 (01:58:50):
Don't you have any of those in your book, coincidences
that happened.

Speaker 6 (01:58:55):
I know most of the stuff in my book has
to do with just things that have happened. I don't.
I don't see as much as coincidence. I like the
term synchronicities. That's awesome. I actually did, I did.

Speaker 4 (01:59:07):
Had any great synchronicities. I'm rewarding it. You're not getting
out of this Mark. You think you are, but you're not.
I'm just gonna hammer you. Man.

Speaker 6 (01:59:19):
It was just a coincidence that I would that I
am on the show with you, just because someone actually actually, yeah,
you're right, you know I'm here. We talked today on
the phone about you being on my podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:59:36):
Yes, because you put me about being on your podcast.
And I'm like, by the way, while we were on
the phone, somebody said they couldn't do it because they
had going to work, and I'm like, uh, do you
want to bail me out? Mark's like yeah, I'll bail
you out.

Speaker 8 (01:59:54):
Thank you, Mark, Thank you, Mark, appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:59:58):
Yeah, yeah, you have. Let me look up this thing.
So let me tell you about The Matrix, right, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
so so yeah, But first of all, they say that
certain people watch the same movies over and over and
over and over and over and over again. Well, I

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watched The Matrix, not the first one, not the other ones,
the first Matrix. I've probably watched that thing about freaking
six thousand damn time.

Speaker 4 (02:00:26):
Are you really serious?

Speaker 6 (02:00:28):
Yeah, I love that movie. Well, it's a great movie,
but people don't see people don't dig in and understand
what's actually happening with the people that write. Well, there's
a lot of religious aspect to it. Neo, he's the
savior of the world, he dies, he rises again, he
saves them all, and the architect and and it and

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the you know so, and then there's the devil to fight,
fighting the the other. So there's a lot of yeah, yeah,
so there's a lot of you know, biblical, you know,
Messiah kind of stuff that's happening in there. A lot
of people don't catch that, but it's in there, so yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:01:12):
Don't just end it there, keep going.

Speaker 6 (02:01:16):
So I was always intrigued by the whole Matrix perspective,
of course, being in computer science, being a science WEENI
and also being in the spiritual nature of things I was.
I was always intrigued by the whole concept of the matrix.
You know, people say, well, I think we're living in
the matrix. Well, you know, I mean God's like the

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I believe in God, not everybody does. But the fact
of the matter is that he's the greatest programmer ever.
That we're living in the matrix.

Speaker 8 (02:01:47):
Right, So.

Speaker 6 (02:01:50):
It's better to think about it like an ant farm.

Speaker 4 (02:01:52):
So yeah, keep going, work, come on.

Speaker 6 (02:01:56):
Keep going. So you want to talk about this actually
the so let's talk about this what you were talking
about earlier, which is this because because I was always
liking to the God code too, right, it's like the
taking the Bible and looking at it in the other
at anything I did, I did, okay, And so because
it connects, it connects everything, it connects. So yes, when

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I was a teenager, I experimented with the kind of
things that they were talking about. Right, So, sometimes in
the sometimes in the cow field, and sometimes it came
on something called the blotter. But anyways, so the uh,
but the fact of the matter is that when I
look at it from a science perspective, lasers for example,

(02:02:38):
So U and I'm going to connect this to a
project that I've actually done in the past. Now there's
also and and also so you know, because one of
the things they said was that they were seeing these
patterns right in the laser now like a code, like
like a code code that didn't move. Yes, So first

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let's remove the psychedelics. Okay, let's just first move that.
We're gonna we'll move into moving that back in in
just a minute.

Speaker 4 (02:03:06):
And you can call it that. Let's just call it
that word.

Speaker 6 (02:03:10):
Yeah. So if you if you run a laser, and
so the laser is gonna have scatter. It hits the
atmosphere you have scattered depending on the type of atsmosphere
we're talking about Mars, which has a totally different atmosphere
than we have here. Then when it hits an actual
target of something, then there's even another response that occurs
and a secondary set of scatter that occurs on that

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particular target. Well, we also have something called parolia as well.
And so when you see this stuff, you start to
see patterns, and that's without the psychedelics. You start to
see patterns, and you start to see patterns of either
one what you want to believe to see in the
patterns or what just comes to mind, because those are
associations that you have. It's kind of like reading words

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that you don't have them all in the right order,
but you read them that way because you're just used
to reading them that way now. So that's that's one part,
and they tried to kind of knock that out of
the park of it, but being paradolia and all that
kind of stuff. The other is that there are studies
that are saying that there are studies that they are saying
that people that they're seeing that people have almost especially

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close friends or people that were married long time or
together a long time, that they almost have like this
neural network kind of connectivity almost the ability to to
for their brains that they're wired in the way that
they can communicate with one another. You put yourself on psychedelics,
and that amplifies everything. I can tell you. I saw

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stuff on that on in my teenage years on that
stuff that would it's like I would swear it happened
to me, right, so, and that came from the subconscious mind. Now,
if you put a bunch of people, if you put
a set of people in a room that are hell
bent on seeing something they're on psychoed delics, there are

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neural networks connected together, so they're all thinking the same
damn thing. They're looking into this laser, they're seeing scatter,
they see paradolia in here, and they're saying, oh, we're
all seeing the same thing. And look we're moving around
because it's not moving. It's like, are you moving? Is
it not moving? Is your brain not moving? Are you
psychedelically thinking it's not moving? So I would have to

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see a lot more reasons.

Speaker 4 (02:05:25):
But isn't it Isn't it easy for them to test
it because all they have to do is each draw.
You don't privately draw what they're seeing.

Speaker 6 (02:05:34):
Well, well, even then there's exactly even then there's there's
been studies where people have turned the car the other
way and they draw something on the other person draws it.

Speaker 4 (02:05:47):
But then but then that would prove telepathic abilities.

Speaker 6 (02:05:53):
Well, that's what the whole thing is about, the neural
connection and what happens to you can can anybody prove
yet exactly what happens to each individual on psychedelics. I mean,
you know that you see stuff. You know that you
Everybody always says that they felt like they were on
a higher plane. So what actually is happening to you

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at that particular case, and what exactly are you opening?
What exactly drops off of your psyche that you've carried
around forever that's now gone because you're free and open.
So I'm not saying it's not happening. I'm not saying
that it's not something.

Speaker 4 (02:06:31):
Well, they're pretty convinced, and certainly I think his name
is Danny Gohler.

Speaker 6 (02:06:36):
Yeah, yeah, he's pretty convinced.

Speaker 4 (02:06:38):
These are objects, these are real.

Speaker 6 (02:06:40):
Odda and Andy may maybe they are. I mean, but
the fact is, I know way too much about wave
science and what and how unpredictable lasers can be. I mean, heck,
they can't even get the crystals right to last long
enough in some cases to doing scattering with those things.

Speaker 4 (02:06:57):
No, I realized that. I think that's been the skeptic
the biggest argument that happened. Tried it, yeah, saying what
they're seeing is the laser scatter.

Speaker 6 (02:07:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And again I'm the open person that says,
I mean, it's an open it's an open book, and
you know, prove it to me, show me more evidence,
do more research, I mean, and I'm sure they'll be
happy to do more research because apparently they like also doing.

Speaker 4 (02:07:24):
Then wouldn't this fall into your wheelhouse to conduct some
research into.

Speaker 6 (02:07:30):
This not taking the psychedelics, you.

Speaker 4 (02:07:37):
Figuring on a blind study where you could have such Sure.

Speaker 6 (02:07:41):
Sure, and I reach out, you know, I reach out
to lots of people about different things.

Speaker 4 (02:07:46):
But by the way, these psychedelics are taking last like
five minutes.

Speaker 6 (02:07:49):
It's not like a long yeah yeah. Oh, it's not
like the ones from oh yeah, it's not like the
ones in the teenage years. You're like, no, no, yeah,
A sugar cube would throw you at twelve two day affair.

Speaker 4 (02:08:03):
So I'm going to admit. So when I was thirteen,
I experimented two times with psychedelics twice, and you know,
I never want that. It was never fun. I wouldn't
say anything bad happened, but you'd want it over. At
some point you're like, okay, I'm done.

Speaker 11 (02:08:20):
With the snow.

Speaker 6 (02:08:21):
You're a different person now.

Speaker 4 (02:08:22):
And it wouldn't go away. It would, you know, you'd
still see everything melting or god whatever, you know, towards
the end. Not it wasn't that fun, but I do
think it opened my mind up that it's a lot
of weird things. So what would they need to do
to prove this go ahead? And maybe yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:08:45):
Well I think unfortunately, I think that the main thing
that they would have to do to prove it is
they would have to prove that like the one guy
said that, hey, if you put these things together, it
actually makes the code work. It's it's sad to say
they're going to have to prove the code works. That's
that I mean, because really, think about all the skeptics,

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even if they were even if they like they could
probably take a video and say, look, there it is.
But can you give the video psychedelics? I mean, you
have to you have to show it's actually happening and
not just in someone's head. And you also have to
show that you know the other part of it, which
he brought up as a theory, which is that these

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symbols create this complex network that then makes this reality
become a reality, right, what makes reality? Well, unfortunately, in science,
they're going to have to prove that theory and show
that it makes some reality. And if they can't do that,
the naysayers are always going to be there. That's why
this is such a complex problem.

Speaker 4 (02:09:48):
All right, but wouldn't I mean, okay, Let's just picture
a camera guy filming people where there's a divider between people,
and one person go in and they say, okay, the
first three symbols or first four symbols, and they draw.

Speaker 6 (02:10:06):
Them like her, right, and then the.

Speaker 4 (02:10:09):
Next person comes in, they draw them and nobody can
see what the other drawing the person's drawings are And
what if they all match? Wouldn't that raise the bar
on this?

Speaker 6 (02:10:19):
Yeah? Well it could, but then can there'd be the
skeptics that say that, well they were you know, connecting,
you know, with one another psychedelically.

Speaker 4 (02:10:29):
Y's but to see. But they don't believe in telepathic
abilities either, so I'm not sure they'd go there exactly.

Speaker 6 (02:10:36):
And that's what my point was. They're going to have
to prove the old It's like the Holy Grail, right,
people are constantly were trying to prove whether it was
a Chalice or it was Mary Magdalene or.

Speaker 4 (02:10:47):
Well, let's go ahead and play that clip, Jeff, can
you find that clip again? Let's play it.

Speaker 6 (02:10:52):
It's intriguing, you know, but you know it's gonna play
a long time.

Speaker 8 (02:10:56):
All right, hang on, what if the lasers stuff? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:11:01):
Right right, I lay that one more time. For people
it just joined us.

Speaker 8 (02:11:06):
Do you remember which one it was?

Speaker 4 (02:11:07):
Oh? Sure I can.

Speaker 6 (02:11:08):
Didn't he say he was just using a laser from
Home Depot.

Speaker 4 (02:11:10):
Yeah, eight sixty nanimetor laser and then he would diffuse.

Speaker 6 (02:11:16):
It, yeah, just near and for red and then he
would diffuse it with So he probably used like a
stage smoke from the latest concert.

Speaker 4 (02:11:23):
Yeah, it's a clip one, Jeff, clip one.

Speaker 8 (02:11:25):
Clip one.

Speaker 6 (02:11:26):
Okay, maybe they're just making a scrying mirror with a laser.

Speaker 4 (02:11:33):
But if you look up on YouTube after the show,
you can look up the discovery. There's quite a few
interviews with the founder of this thing, and he's a
Russian guy, but he's pretty brilliant. But go ahead.

Speaker 6 (02:11:46):
I saw the one on Rogan too.

Speaker 4 (02:11:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:11:48):
So I did look into it, man, you told me
to and I did.

Speaker 4 (02:11:51):
Yeah, those were You need to watch the actual guy talk.
All right, go ahead and play this.

Speaker 11 (02:11:58):
If you bought like a du Wault laser level at
Home Depot.

Speaker 10 (02:12:01):
And then you put something in front of the laser
to kind of diffuse it, so you take it from
being a really thin laser line and then spread that
sucker out so it's like six inches wide. And then
you get somebody that's one right where the laser is
you can see through the wall. So this was viral
on TikTok. So I called MYSS and I said, get
this guy and wherever he is flying to my house.
I want to try this out. So we flew to

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a place where he's not illegal.

Speaker 11 (02:12:24):
While you are in.

Speaker 10 (02:12:25):
The state, you get close to the wall and you
can see code that looks kind of like alien writing,
and then some that look like kanji Japanese characters. Sometimes
hallucinations change and.

Speaker 11 (02:12:37):
Warp and modify a little bit. This is permanent.

Speaker 10 (02:12:40):
If you move your head, the code stays in the
same place, and if you move the laser on the wall,
different code reveals itself as.

Speaker 11 (02:12:46):
The laser is moving. Then you get two or three
people lined up and they all see the same thing.

Speaker 10 (02:12:51):
And if you put your arm in front of it,
the code completely changes, but only right where your arm is.

Speaker 11 (02:12:55):
I have no explanation for what the.

Speaker 4 (02:12:57):
Hell it is.

Speaker 6 (02:12:58):
Yeah, Actually, psychedelics do that. You if you're uber focused
on something, you can move your head and it still
stays in the same spot. But I'm more closely related
to what you were talking about, which is how do
you prove it from another right?

Speaker 8 (02:13:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (02:13:14):
Yeah, yeah, And if it's true and it pans out
and somebody actually does get a grant, I would love
to see somebody get a grant to try to either
debunk it or prove it, because sure, sure groundbreaking if
that was the case.

Speaker 6 (02:13:31):
That's it's like what it's like what I'm trying to
do now with a paranormal equipment I'm working on and
I'm trying to come up with ways that actually say, no,
what's in there is in there. You can't disprove it,
and you can't you can't prove it's a ghost, but
there's something there and you can't it's not outside interference

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and you can't disprove that.

Speaker 4 (02:13:52):
So basically, you want to film a ghost.

Speaker 6 (02:13:55):
Well, I want to know that. I want to know
that if you have something like there's all these it's like,
you know, it's like fifteen people running around with walkie
talkies and there's all kinds of RF waves going everywhere
and they're like, oh, look it's going off. It's like
uh yeah, it's like uh but you know, I and
I'm a believer. I'm just saying that I want it

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to be where it's like no one can come in
and say, no, that's not happening. I can say, yeah
it is. I don't know what it is, but it's there.

Speaker 4 (02:14:25):
Well, without giving away too many secrets, what are you
hoping to accomplish in it? Very very layman terms.

Speaker 6 (02:14:32):
Yeah, so I'm wanting to be able to measure what's
outside of a specific parameter of an area, and then
then have another parameter of the area does not have interference,
follow that into the area of non interference, and then
have multiplelinear kind of detection and recording methodologies in there

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where there's no interference to pick up on what travels
into the space, because then you can if something is
in the room, something traveled toward it, and then there
is something in a space that you cannot disprove because
there's no outside interference. Does that make sense, Yeah, yeah,
sort of. Well, then you can stand right next to

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it with a walkie talkie click on it, and if
something's going off, it's not the walkie talkie and you
know and if and if you're looking at the temperature
differential between the outside of that environment the inside of
the environment, and then you're watching what's coming toward it,
you can measure that in xtrapolation to the actual area
that has no interference, and you know, something came there,

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something came in. Something's interacting and you can't disprove it
because it's not outside interference. Have you been testing right now?
I've been building. I already know it'll work from a
perspective of the science. I just want to see it
actually have something go off.

Speaker 4 (02:15:53):
Okay, so what are you gonna do?

Speaker 6 (02:15:55):
Are you gonna I'm gonna test it.

Speaker 8 (02:15:58):
I saw.

Speaker 6 (02:15:58):
I am part of an investigation team called the Veil.
Funny enough, it's two rock stars. It's me and the
guitar player from Lilian Axe, which was a pretty big
band for some period of time. And we also have
a psychic and we have an individual who's been in
the paranormal world for like twenty five years, Dave Young,

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and we have you know, we have several others that
are on the actual team as well that we'll probably
go out and test it in several locations to make
sure that it does what we that I wanted to do.

Speaker 4 (02:16:33):
Okay, this is something that will be commercially maybe available
in the future.

Speaker 6 (02:16:38):
Yes. The idea is that I want to get tools
in the hands of people, so that so that they
can actually say that what's going off and there is
actually going off and it's not some outside interference or
some because there's you really need linear correlation. You know,
you can have one thing go off over there, but
if you've got two or three things going off in
an area that there's no interference, you got something going on,

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and you may not you can't say it's a ghost
maybe because you're not like, hey, there it is, I'm
looking at it. But there's something there, and you got
to figure out what the hell is going on?

Speaker 4 (02:17:08):
Right, and then you had a I know you have
a theory on EVPs.

Speaker 6 (02:17:13):
Yes, yes, sure. So again, like we were talking about
the the auditory range of a human being is very small.
This our sense, our sensibility of everything around us is
a very small, minute part of everything. And there's energy
around us. So there's something called second order, which is

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called doubleting. So in imaging, if you had four hundred nanometers,
you would get a small amount of energy that would
come out at eight hundred, which is called doubleting because
you have four hundred and four hundreds eight hundred, right,
But it's but it's a lower range than the original signal,
so it gets closer to the noise level. Right, So

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if it's at the noise, let's say you're picking something
up at ultrasound that doublets in the our auditory range.
If it's too low near the noise, you won't hear
it with your ears, But amplified by a tape recorder
or a digital device, you amplify the signal. And what
does a signal that's amplified that still had some noise
in it sound like? Oh, it's very very kind of graspy,

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not as clear as what it would be if they
were actually speaking in the auditory range. So I think
EVPs are energy being dissipated out from the ultrasound and
we're hearing it on the tape devices and stuff as
a doublet in the regular auditory range. That's my theory.

Speaker 4 (02:18:39):
Okay, Jeff, did you get that?

Speaker 11 (02:18:41):
I did?

Speaker 4 (02:18:42):
Yeah? Good. I just don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:18:46):
Does that make sense to you? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:18:47):
It does, but it doesn't you know to me? And
Bram's going a little.

Speaker 6 (02:18:52):
Well, yeah, I mean, it's it's the same as anything else.
When you're talking about you when you were talking about
thermal cameras, right, or you're talking that's that's emissivity. You're
giving energy somewhere else at a shorter wavelength.

Speaker 4 (02:19:02):
Okay, no, well, just here's a word here. Now, are
you talking about what I always thought was pronounced evacidity
or is that temperature?

Speaker 6 (02:19:12):
It's it's the it's the releasing of that energy as
thermal property. So of course that's so it's like a
black body. Yeah, the perfect absorber is the perfect emitter.
So you have something black like your dashboard, it's damn
hot in the summertime. The reason why it's sucking in

(02:19:34):
all the energy and then it's releasing that energy as heat.
And so that's what happens is that you have this
you have this energy at a shorter wavelength that's being absorbed,
that's being then let out at a longer wavelength, which
then we have thermal.

Speaker 4 (02:19:52):
Okay, all right, if.

Speaker 6 (02:19:57):
You are energy man, fluorescence, everything, it's all entered moving
around the spectrum.

Speaker 8 (02:20:03):
Yeah, that was actually pretty explanation of that I make.
I like that explanation.

Speaker 4 (02:20:10):
I'm still a little I get it, but I don't,
you know what I mean, I'm just I'm kind of don't.

Speaker 6 (02:20:15):
Yeah, we still can't get the lights right, you know,
the sun six thousand kelvin. The lights are typically thirty
two hundred color balance and fifty five hundred LEDs.

Speaker 4 (02:20:23):
You can it was fifty four six thousand. I can't
remember thirty yeah anyhow, So, so have you ever recorded
an e VP You already just listen to other people's
and go on.

Speaker 6 (02:20:39):
No, No, we've We did an investigation at the It
was in Fort Jackson in Louisiana. We actually put together
a sizzle reel and it was my buddy Todd Schmidt,
really great at doing that stuff, played a fantastic sizzle
reel together. We were going to do like a documentary
on that particular location, and there were some some there

(02:21:01):
that were picked up at that location as well. So okay, clear, Yeah,
they're pretty clear. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 4 (02:21:08):
Now, verax I got some audience questions. Sure, verax says,
with modern digital recorders filtering and compressing frequencies, do you
think we're actually missing certain types of paranormal audio that
an older analog device could capture better.

Speaker 6 (02:21:29):
That's actually a good question. The answer to that is yes, uh,
and and there has been a lot of communication. But
a matter of fact, it was just on Dave Schrader's
show The other night where they were talking about different
types of recorders and uh and uh, they prefer certain
ones because they don't have all that filtration and all

(02:21:51):
that kind of stuff. Because obviously it's kind of like
the music industry. You know, it's like people didn't have
tuning until the nineties. Now everything's completely processed and stone
walled and tuned and everything else. So you really, you know,
the person walks down stage and you go, who the
hell was that a good good question? And that was

(02:22:12):
a really good question.

Speaker 4 (02:22:16):
Let's see here, I'm looking u. Somebody asked maybe actually.

Speaker 8 (02:22:24):
Just something that should me. That's also why people some
people sound different on the phone than they do in person. Yeah,
to do with all the signals compressed.

Speaker 6 (02:22:34):
That's right, that's right, that's right. And you guys were
talking about all about this technology earlier, but damn they
still haven't done a damn thing about the speed of
the internet. Go ahead, it's fast on either end.

Speaker 4 (02:22:49):
Let's see here, Mark, given your background, which and the
way you approach consciousness and perception, what do you think
deja vu represents? Do you think it's a neurological glitch
or a memory phenomenon?

Speaker 6 (02:23:07):
Hmmm, that's a good question.

Speaker 4 (02:23:09):
I was telling you, how ill you know once in
a while and remember the future. It seems like deja vu.
I guess that's another word for it. But but but
mine are like deja vu with details as you move,
with like explicit details.

Speaker 6 (02:23:24):
I think it's I think it's uh, you know, could
I think it's probably also individual as to what that
means as well. Again, it's like I was saying, the
way the brain is wired. The our brains are so complex,
but then there's elements, there's there, and there's different you know,
there's different ways that we can you know, we can
have different things inside of our brain that like plaque

(02:23:46):
for instance, that causes people to become ill and have diseases,
and others have may have more of a specific element.
Maybe that makes them more perceptive to those specific things
and their sensitivities. So I think that that I think
that that means that there's probably more than one answer
to that actual question.

Speaker 4 (02:24:07):
Yeah, do you do anything with EVPs like try to
analyze them for frequencies that might be hidden or anything weird.

Speaker 6 (02:24:17):
Or Yeah, we would call that sensitivity analysis. But a
lot of them are so noisy most of the time.
They're so noisy. It's really hard to just like somebody
was saying about those recorders that compress do everything. You
can do a lot of different types of sweeping and
cleaning and analyzing, but you know, it really depends on
how good that EVP is as to whether you can

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get something really quite via.

Speaker 4 (02:24:43):
So you're you're putting them in like a spectrograph.

Speaker 6 (02:24:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're got they're gon because
it's just like what it's like with a camera. The
cameras they have a certain noise level on the bottom
and then they have a quantum efficiency and also depends
on the bitrate as to how high that particular responses
as far as the bits right. But if that signal
gets too close to that floor of the noise, I mean,

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you can subtract noise from a sensor so that you get,
you know, a more of a clear signal on the
stuff above, but anything that falls into that noise area,
it's really hard to pull out of that.

Speaker 4 (02:25:19):
Yeah. Have you ever looked at the Sierra sounds that
Ron Moorehead and Alberry recorded in the seventies, And how
strange because they like go, you know, up and down,
up and down, up and down. Have you ever listened
to those sounds?

Speaker 6 (02:25:35):
I seem to remember listening to them, but it's been
it's been a while. But yeah, if I remember correctly,
they were they were pretty intriguing.

Speaker 4 (02:25:43):
You should listen to those again, I guess, based on
all of your you're because you know, I'm sure it's
even crossed Ron's mind that maybe those are EVPs of
some sort, and you know it could be.

Speaker 6 (02:25:58):
And again, but again, when you're in an open area,
depending on where you are, there is so many different things.
I mean, well, these are really clear because okay, yeah, yeah,
they're real.

Speaker 4 (02:26:10):
Clear because Alberry was a pro and he came up
there to debunk the whole damn.

Speaker 6 (02:26:15):
Thing and okay, yeah, then said that to me so
I can remember. I want to look it up for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:26:20):
Yeah, Jeff, could you just play I mean, just look
up the Sierra sounds and maybe play it just a
quick sample for Mark. And I've got Ron Moorehead and
another gentleman named Stan who are coming on I think
on it's December. Yeah, it's coming up, maybe even like

(02:26:43):
not next week, but the week after. They're coming on sure,
and we're going to discuss the Sierra sounds. But Ron
is still around. He's you know, he's in his eighties now.

Speaker 6 (02:26:55):
There's nothing wrong with that. I worked with a guy
from uh he was working with the panoramic cameras back
in the nineties, and he was like he was like
in his nineties or something and he was still doing it.
It was great. Yeah, lots of wisdom, lots of experience.
So yeah, I was, I was asking all kinds of questions.

Speaker 4 (02:27:12):
Yeah, but you know, as his recordings have stand, it
stood the test of time. As far as not being
fabricated by people. I personally raised ten grand to have
it sounds analyzed by a bio a bio acoustician in

(02:27:32):
uh in, Texas, A and M. And he just tore
those things apart and he said wow. And he even
came back, There's no way Ron would have ever known
this in the seventies. He said, he could measure the
vocal cored length right on these things. And he said,
this like an eight hundred pound animal that was making

(02:27:54):
some of these sounds.

Speaker 6 (02:27:55):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (02:27:55):
He said, how would you know, how would he know
that back in the you know what I mean, technology
or it's back in the seventies.

Speaker 6 (02:28:03):
Tell me about the seventies. Man, you see my you
see my wonderful uh Destroyer Kiss Destroyer album up there?
No is that it's all signed by all all four members.
All right, I'm both the album and the cover there.

Speaker 8 (02:28:17):
That's really cool.

Speaker 4 (02:28:18):
That's pretty clear.

Speaker 8 (02:28:19):
I found it. I haven't. I listened to like just
a little bit of it.

Speaker 4 (02:28:23):
I don't want to play much, but this is a
picture though.

Speaker 8 (02:28:28):
Are you ready?

Speaker 4 (02:28:28):
Yeah, play a little bit?

Speaker 6 (02:28:33):
Oh yeah, I have heard these yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:28:39):
Well I was thinking more of the talking, Jeff, not
these whoops. Oh, there's way better recordings than these. It's

(02:29:00):
kind to jump forward, Jeff, to try to fight that's wrong. Yeah,
I don't know where the hell you got this from.

Speaker 8 (02:29:11):
Yeah, that's all I could find real quick.

Speaker 4 (02:29:13):
No, I mean, can you fast?

Speaker 16 (02:29:14):
No?

Speaker 4 (02:29:14):
No, no, keep it up, Jeff. Just try to go
forward more so we can hear what's up there.

Speaker 8 (02:29:23):
I don't know what we have protection for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:29:30):
Oh okay, do this, Jeff. Look for this samurai stuff.
It's called Samurai Jedd. That's the stuff that's really nuts.
I mean, there's many hours of recordings and so so.

Speaker 6 (02:29:48):
But I do remember, I do remember that sounds because
I've seen that actually even on a program they were
they were oh god, they were discussing this particular case.

Speaker 9 (02:29:57):
This.

Speaker 6 (02:29:58):
Yeah, these recordings.

Speaker 4 (02:30:00):
And some of them are just really amazing because they're
so clear and they're so crazy because they were close
to a microphone apparently. Anyhow, what what time we got?
We should probably wrap up here. Anybody have any last
questions they want to throw at Mark before we.

Speaker 8 (02:30:19):
One good question is Brandon asked, Mark, what's what's your
opinion on the three I Atlas?

Speaker 16 (02:30:25):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (02:30:25):
Yeah, right, right, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that
was that that one there was so that one came
in at a specific way, Like I think what the
case was that the planets are moving in one rotation
and that's actually moving in the opposite rotation, and a
lot of people think it might be an alien craft

(02:30:46):
and all that kind of stuff. I think that it
behaves differently because of the way the direction was going
towards the Sun where the tail would have been. It
also has a different composition, if I remember correctly, on
this particular object versus a lot of the others, So
it behaves a lot differently. Plus it has the propensity
to have more heat because of the way that it's

(02:31:09):
put together as far as what it's made up of,
so it gets it can get really hot. It's got
a fiery perspective to the gas compounds, so it's going
to be a bit different. So I think that throws
people off to think that it might be in alien crafts.
I just think it's just an object coming into.

Speaker 8 (02:31:26):
Yeah, it seems to me that all the weirdness can
be explained by just having a really unusual composition and an.

Speaker 6 (02:31:32):
Unusual exactly even a Nickels different. Everything's a lot of
it's different, even on the basis of the gases, and
some of them can be masked, like the carbons can
be masked in the way that where the atoms are
set up to where it makes it actually flammable. So
I think a lot of those things, because it's so different,
that usually causes people to be to go into the

(02:31:55):
speculatory space because of that, which is okay, that just
means that the human mind is moving in a way
that's adventurous. But I think I agree with you. I
think it's just because the composition.

Speaker 8 (02:32:05):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's fascinating, but I haven't seen
anything that it's that's that's truly unexplainable. Would you agree
with that?

Speaker 6 (02:32:13):
I mean, yeah, yeah, absolutely, and I think there was.
I think there's three specific objects and that's why it's
it's three, but I think interstellar particular one. But I
think that that's but it stands out even out from
the last one. I can't remember the name of the
last one. It had some name. It was almost Hawaiian

(02:32:33):
sounding moa something I think. But but yeah, but it's
even different than that one. But that's probably the closest
one that mua, thank you. It's sounded very Hawaiian, like
I said, so, but yeah, it's but yeah, it's I
think it's just the composition and and the way it's
set up that it makes people think that it's and

(02:32:55):
the direction it's going and all those kind of things.
So it's now it's how it's facing the sun versus
the you know, the the rest.

Speaker 4 (02:33:02):
So so it doesn't have three thousand warriors inside.

Speaker 6 (02:33:09):
I think if there are three thousand warriors inside of
one of those, they would have come a long time ago.

Speaker 8 (02:33:18):
Yeah, I just found that. So it's it's the third
confirmed interstellars.

Speaker 4 (02:33:23):
That's why they call it three.

Speaker 6 (02:33:24):
It's Atlas because the as.

Speaker 17 (02:33:28):
Yeah, what I was the Oma Mama or two I
was called Boris past the boy past the boy.

Speaker 8 (02:33:39):
The name Uh yeah, the name isn't as evocative as
it kind of appears, doesn't it. Just yeah, it's a
third third interstellar object. That's it.

Speaker 6 (02:33:49):
Thank you. I am Virex. Is that how you say that?

Speaker 4 (02:33:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:33:52):
We call him x okay s Mark.

Speaker 4 (02:33:55):
Yeah, you bring an incredible amount of energy and clarity
to everything you work on. What do you credit for
stand so youthful, grounded and sharp? Is the mindset, lifestyle
or something else.

Speaker 6 (02:34:09):
Entirely, you know, I think it's a mixture of things.
I try to stay positive about everything, even in the
worst times. I try to find the best in people,
even though sometimes in this society it's kind of rough.
I Oh, I go work out. I continue to do
my music even though I have, you know, the other

(02:34:29):
things I do during the day. I keep busy that
you know. I should be get my PhD by this spring.
I only have one credit hour and to write my
dissertation next semester and defend it. And I should be
as my grammy friend wants to call me doctor Rock
because I'm going. He was hoping I would have the
PhD this semester because I'm going to the Grammys at

(02:34:51):
the end of January and he was wanting to call
me doctor Rock at the Grammys, but he's gonna have
to wait till the spring for that to happen. So
but I I think it's a mixture of all of that.
I you know, I really try to find the positives
in life, and I guess the rest is just, yeah,
I like to be a kid sometimes, you know, you

(02:35:11):
don't there's a lot a lot of people when we're
growing up, especially the Generation X and even some of
the Boomers, is that they would just you know, you're
such a dreamer. You're such a dreamer actorate ejac Ory
Ejactory And I was always the ones like, no, I'm
having fun. I don't give a crap, you know, as
long as it's not hurting you or anybody else. You know,
I want to do this, I'm going to do it.

(02:35:31):
And so that's you know, there's a time and place
for everything, but that's what I try to do.

Speaker 4 (02:35:37):
And then Kim Christiansen says, with your musical background, do
you have any recommendations on portable recording equipment for super
high and low low frequency with some degree of clarity.

Speaker 6 (02:35:52):
Okay, so for high and low frequency you mean for
like collecting evidence.

Speaker 4 (02:35:56):
Or yeah, correct, yes, big fun.

Speaker 6 (02:36:00):
You know, there's I don't know the exact brands, so
I really but I think that you should go with
the stuff that is not so complex because the more
complex it gets, the more compression, the more filtering, the
more of that stuff you have. Just go with something
that is is just quality but old school, because I

(02:36:23):
think then you're then what it comes down to is
it's going to be the analysis software that really does
the work. You want to get a nice something, nice
and clear, and then be able to go and analyze
that later.

Speaker 4 (02:36:35):
Yeah, and people should use the uncompressed audio, they.

Speaker 6 (02:36:40):
Should exactly, yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:36:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:36:45):
One of my one of the people that used to
work for me at the company I had, actually was
on the team that invented the m P three and
the MP four. So yeah, you don't want all that compression,
you want them.

Speaker 4 (02:36:56):
You want a couple of things. Mark too, uh kay,
who brings up a really good point that I should
get you. We've been investigating this strange home that we've
been Lots of people have recorded He's recorded it. People
are in the country have recorded this strange hum and
association with Bigfoot. It's a really low frequency in it

(02:37:21):
like almost overwhelms the microphones.

Speaker 6 (02:37:24):
Okay, so it's not it's not. It's okay, really it's low,
but it's but it's it's not. It's not infra sound
because that would just be clicking. That would just be
clicking right now.

Speaker 4 (02:37:37):
It's not. And it's true, something can be in both ranges,
correct market.

Speaker 6 (02:37:41):
Well, if it's if it's second order of something, well
that wouldn't be second order because because second order is
going to be further in this in the spectrum. Uh,
this is going back, you know. Yeah, so that's I'm
not sure. I have to think about that a little bit.
I'll tell you answer back to you on that. But
that could be a lot of things. I mean, even

(02:38:01):
the Earth creates specific sounds.

Speaker 4 (02:38:04):
Yeah. Well, this homon's quite loud. I mean, it's like.

Speaker 6 (02:38:06):
Whoa, it's okay, all right.

Speaker 4 (02:38:08):
It like overpowers the mics. But it's happening all over
the country.

Speaker 6 (02:38:12):
It's not just what's the frequency? Does anybody have the
direct frequency of it?

Speaker 4 (02:38:17):
Oh? God, you know, you catch me off guard.

Speaker 6 (02:38:21):
But it's it's like you were catching me off guard
your damn ye, I know.

Speaker 4 (02:38:26):
About forty all the way down to you know ever
sound range.

Speaker 6 (02:38:31):
Okay, I'll look it. I'll look into it. See, but
we'll get you.

Speaker 4 (02:38:35):
We'll get you some recordings. But these are recorded all over. See.
Once we started, it was Tristan that it was his recording.
I heard it, went that sounded weird. And then all
of a sudden we found this article from like the
eighth the early like late eighteen hundreds or whatever, of

(02:38:56):
a woman who was washing clothes and a river. She
hears a hum and she expects to see a homing
bird and sees a bigfoot. Right, Oh, maybe there's something
to this. Then we put it out there on the
podcast and all these people started going, I heard that,
you know, blah blah blah, we heard that, we heard that,
and they started sending us these recordings.

Speaker 6 (02:39:19):
Well, maybe it's their ability to actually communicate in that frequency.
I mean, yeah, yeah, you have a bunch of creatures
that communicate in different frequencies, and even some in infrasound.
So possible. But yeah, I'd like to hear those if you.

Speaker 4 (02:39:35):
Yeah, we'll get you some. I recorded hours of it too,
literally hours of it Okay, mass expedition interesting. Yeah, yeah,
So where can they go to your website? Mark?

Speaker 6 (02:39:49):
Sure, that's Mark ALLENLANEU dot com. That's uh, just like
my name spelled there on the screen, but altogether, uh,
and there's everything there. I created a mono called the
Gemini Mind. And the reason why is because of exactly
what we're talking about. I was doing music, I had
three different bands, I was doing projects, I was doing collaborations,

(02:40:11):
I was doing research, PhD my book, blah blah. So
I just wanted to put it all in one spot.
And so that's where everybody can go. They've got menu
up there with all the pages. They can go to podcasts,
they can go to book they can go to paranormal,
they can go to all of these and and the
podcast is going to be really cool because I have
a mixture of different guests on there. I have the

(02:40:31):
Queen of Martial Arts, Cynthia Rothrock. I've got Bumblefoot from
Guns and Roses. I've got psychics, I got Chris Fleming
from Haunted Scotland, Haunted Ireland, I've got so I've got
all these different people on there, so it'll be interesting
and I'm going to have you on there so make
it even more interesting.

Speaker 4 (02:40:49):
Hell yeah, see it's going to be a good podcast anyhow, Well,
thanks Mart. People are saying, wow, you really knocked it
out of the park, thank you, blah blah blah, and
they want you to have a really good time at
the Grammys.

Speaker 6 (02:41:04):
Well thank you. I'm gonna call all of my followers
are going to be called the mind Travelers. I want.
I wanted to have a really cool name for them
when they came over and.

Speaker 4 (02:41:13):
See that's better than ours. On toldians.

Speaker 6 (02:41:18):
It sounds like another race, is.

Speaker 4 (02:41:23):
All right? Just stand by Mark, We're gonna go to
our little Wisdom of the Week thing and then we'll
come back to say goodbye. Just stand back.

Speaker 1 (02:41:31):
It's now time for Untold Radio AM Wisdom of the Week.

Speaker 8 (02:41:35):
Try this.

Speaker 1 (02:41:36):
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mind follows the direction of your words, and replace every
doubt with a stronger thought, and you'll see your confidence, mood,
and opportunities shift almost instantly, just from choosing to think
like the person you want to become.

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Speaker 4 (02:42:12):
For our rap.

Speaker 6 (02:42:16):
Are you guys actually gonna rap?

Speaker 4 (02:42:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:42:18):
Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna go.

Speaker 4 (02:42:21):
Thank you so much. Mark, you can get his book.
Where can they find your bookmark? You know?

Speaker 6 (02:42:26):
Well, they can see the links at that same website,
but it's also available on Barnes and Noble and Amazon online,
so they can get it there. And like I always
say on the podcast, a first of all, thanks guys
for having me on, and to the rest of them
all out there, you all rock indeed.

Speaker 4 (02:42:43):
All right, thanks everybody, and thanks for everybody in chat
and all our moderators and all of the great activity.
We really appreciate it, and we will be back next
week with another great guest. Good night everyone, call you
up tonight.

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Untold Radio AM #272 The Gemini Mind – From Bigfoot to The Matrix with Mark Lanoue

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