February 14, 2025 • 26 mins
USCHO Edge hosts Jim Connelly (@jimmyconnelly), Dan Rubin (@DanRubin12) and Ed Trefzger (@EdTrefzger) look at money lines and over/under for six college games on February 14, 2025:
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- North Dakota +170 @ Denver -220; over/under 6.5
- Arizona State -195 @ Minnesota Duluth +150; o/u 6.5
- Omaha -210 @ Western Michigan -280; o/u 5.5
- Minnesota -130 @ Michigan +100; o/u 6.5
- Boston University -115 @ Providence -115; o/u 6.5
- New Hampshire +280 @ Maine -395; o/u 5.5 (our "pizza money" game)
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Day Prognostications Here. We're going to start out with three
games from the NCCHC, which is having quite a battle
for the top of the league, and the big angry matchup.
So they tell me the big rivalry, the big two
teams who had each other, North Dakota and Denver. Do
two teams ever really like each other? I'll ask that
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question to another time. Six and a half is the
over under on this one. Denver is the favorite at
minus two twenty at home North Dakota plus one seventy.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
The line's probably in the right place. It doesn't mean
that I like Denver. I don't think I would touch
this one. To be honest with you, North Dakota has
the ability. They've actually had some good weekends of late.
Denver's had some hiccups.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I don't feel comfortable not I don't feel comfortable enough
to beat North Dakota. I definitely don't feel comfortable laying
any money on Denver, you know, getting returning minus two
to twenty off.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, I tend to agree on this.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
The other part of it is that North Dakota has
been hasn't won a Friday game in a while. I
think the last one they might have won was Saint
Cloud first semester. They just are not a particularly strong
team on Friday. Actually, they beat Saint Cloud to shootout,
that doesn't count. That's a tie. They have not been
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on Fridays. But the odds at least make it worthwhile
to dangle on North Dakota if you're going to bet
this game, largely because the Denver hasn't done much the
last few weeks, I want to say, to really justify
betting on a minus two twenty, I don't feel comfortable
betting on North Dakota.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I probably stay away on this one too.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
If I'm gonna do anything, I maybe look at the
under of six and a half being offering plus one,
offering some type of plus value. But even then I
don't feel comfortable with it because NCCHC games easily can
hit over on six and a half, So I don't
I don't love anything about this one other than that
if I am going to take one and I'm gonna
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throw one down, it's not a pizza bet. But North
Dakota's probably on the docket. Maybe it's a cal zone bet.
It's not a pizza bet.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Now, col zones get pretty expensive, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I kind of like the overall under here.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I hate the fact that it's weighted though minus one
thirty bet over six and a half. I don't like
that bet either. There's just this is one where the
bookmakers make it an unattractive bet in general.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh, let's look at our second game for this episode
in the NCHC. Arizona State is at Minnesota Duluth. This
one's also an over under of six and a half.
Arizona State favored heavily on the road at minus one,
and the home underdog, Minnesota Duluth is plus one point fifty.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Again, I think it's in the right place this line.
Arizona State's in a battle right now. They're trying to win,
potentially win a Regelow season championship. Sitting three points behind
Western Michigan. They do give up two games in hand
to the Broncos, so it's a tough climb, but why
not be in that spot if you're Arizona State. They're
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also on the pair wise bubble. This game means everything
to them. Duluth, there is still meaning. You're trying to
play your best hockey down the stretch. It hasn't been
the greatest season. They've had some signs of hope of late,
but this is it's it's tough setting right now for Duluth.
I just like Arizona State here. I don't love the
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money on them, but again, probably wouldn't rush out to
bet them, but I like Arizona State on the road.
I know you're a home underdog fan, Dan, but this
one I don't think I could actually go and touch
the louth.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
No and I and of home underdogs, there's a part
of me that would love to love to bet Duluth
hair but it's just it's just not in the cards
because I just don't feel confident in them.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And there's a couple of reasons supporting that.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
One is I look, everyone knows I love Minnesota Duluth
and everyone I talk to knows. I love Scottie Sandalin's
is a gentleman of the game. I love Duluth as
a program. My problem with Duluth right now is they're
in that spot in the NCCHC where you look at
them and say, somebody's gonna lose a game to them
that is going to really hurt their playoff chances. And
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they're in that position because they haven't played well and
they already beat Denver. To me, the win over Denver
is that boy, someone really did lose to Duluth down
the stretch.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It's not going to be Arizona State right now.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Arizona State, I think, is playing too well, hockey, too
good of a hockey, just everything to get themselves into position.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I don't even know what the right grammars.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
They're playing well and they're at minus one ninety five,
which kills the value on them. So this is what
we see this time of year where the computers, the bookmakers,
when they start to balance it out, plus the added
bets on that'll tilt the odds based on the fact
that you have Arizona State probably going to gain more
traction just by being Arizona State. The numbers are going
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to land exactly where they where we would expect. But
it also kills the value because this is trying to
entice bets on Duluth that I don't think are smart bets.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Likewise, over under, I don't love it. Over under six
and a half.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I think it's a well placed number because I just
don't I don't envision this going over, and I don't
love under bet on any like I said, I'll love
underbets the NCCHD anyway.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
One other NCCHD game before the break, Omaha, which seemingly
quietly has crept up on everybody, and Western Michigan, which
has made a lot of noise. Omaha is at WMU
five and a half is the over under. Omaha is
a heavy underdog in this one at plus two ten,
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and Western Michigan is a minus two eighty at home.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I'm trying to get my hands around what Omaha is,
who Omaha is. The beginning of the season, they get
swept by Minnesota State, swept by Augustanus, swept by Western
I didn't have a lot of hope. They had won
that ice break and I said, okay, maybe this is
their year. And then they just went on this run.
Two wins over Colorado College, those at home, two at Miami,
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wins at home against Saint Cloud State, then they tied
Denver and then get they get thumped eleven two. Then
they come back and sweep Minnesota deluthe. I just feel
like there's this Jeckel and high team right now that
I can't really put a lot of my.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Arms around for Omaha.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
On the other hand, I feel like Western Michigan has
been so consistent this season, So I despite the fact
that this goes against a lot of principal Western Michigan
eighty minus two to eighty favorites, if I bet this game,
I would still take Western. I would try to hedge
it with something else, another game that I felt confident about,
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maybe one of our pizza money bed or maybe you
go back to that game where we were talking about
Arizona State at minus one ninety five. Maybe you have
to parliament the two together. But I just I can't
take Omaha here. As much as that they have played
some good hockey down the stretch here, I still don't
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have the confidence in them.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I don't love when I was looking at this one
and I was assuming that this would be one that
we were going to talk. I don't love how Omaha
has gotten to this point in a sense that you're right,
they're very jeck alone Hyde. And when you look at
the numbers, and when you look at the overall season numbers,
not necessarily the numbers over the last month or two.
I'm talking overall season, they're a top twenty five ish
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team and goals scored. They're a top twenty team in
goals allowed. They are not a top ranked team on
the power play. They are not a top ranked team
on the penalty killed. They just seem to win hockeys.
And the strange thing about that to me is that
eventually you need to come up with a reason why
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they are winning those hockey games and why they are
playing and what gives them the competitive edge over a
team like Western Michigan, which may cut in after Monday's
bean pot to the first place votes in the poll
come next week. Any time a number one team loses,
there's a possibility Western Michigan, which I think is number
two in the country right now, is gonna be is
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gonna step into that kind of role. So I don't
love the plus two ten on Omaha makes it viable
to bet Omaha. But at the same time, it's just
not a great number to be able to jump on.
It's just a great bet to jump on. It's maybe
if we had made this a pizza bet, I'd be
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all over Omaha, but it's not. And therefore I don't
love even touching this one because unless you're pairing Western Michigan,
like you said, with a parlay somewhere.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Well.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
In our next segment, we're gonna look at a couple
of Hockey East games and a big matchup in the
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We're back with usccho edge. Let's start out with the
Big Ten matchup. I mentioned Minnesota is at Michigan. Over
under is six and a half, and I'm thinking it
could have been higher, but that's just the way things
have been going lately. There we'll see what the experts say.
Minnesota is a road favorite but only a minus one thirty.
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Michigan at home a slight underdog but just barely at
plus one hundred.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I feel like this is one of those series you
maybe circle back when the season started. Oh, this could
determine the Big Ten Championship. It's not going to technically
determine the Big Ten Championship, but it's still a really
critical series, and it's one that a lot of eyeballs
will be on Michigan. They're just trying to play themselves
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into a better position they want. Obviously, they want a
whole ice bid in that first round of the playoffs.
That's not locked up, but it's secure. They have a
four point lead over Wisconsin. They'd like to move up
and maybe avoid Wisconsin. Not that Penn State or Notre
Dame is the greatest thing to be paired with greatest
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team to be paired with in the quarter final round,
but just maybe get away from Wisconsin, which has been
jekling hidish in a positive way this season. There's there's
definitely some weekends that you know that Wisconsin can pull
off the upset.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
So I look at this for Michigan. It's big. Minnesota,
it's really big.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
If they have any hopes of catching Michigan State, this
is the weekend they have to do it. They have
the two games in hand, they're five points behind. This
is the weekend to move into first place. If it's
out there, if it's going to be done, this is
the weekend they're going to do it. It's the bye
weekend for Michigan States. This is the opportunity that Minnesota's
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been waiting for all season.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I suspect that we might see these two teams play
each other in the national Tournament, especially based off your
back totology, Jimmy, where you had them both going to Fargo.
I could easily see this being a matchup that we
see a couple of times the rest of the way,
whether it's in the postseason, in the Big Ten Tournament eventually,
or whether it's in the National tournament, and I think
that there is a premium from Michigan on being able
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to win this game at home.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
They've been exceptional at home.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I think that they are a very good team in
an arbor. They've been very good this year, nine to
four at home to seven, six and two on the road,
and I really like the fact that they are playing
this one at home. That to me adds the value
on the bet when you're looking at them as a
quote home underdog. Now to me, when I talk about
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home underdogs, it's not a huge underdog, but it's enough
that you can make a little bit extra on Michigan
than you could on Minnesota on this. And given the
positioning in the Big Ten, given what Michigan has at stake,
maybe even to jump up from a three seed to
a two seed in the tournament and to see how
that might play out in the in the national tournament,
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I think this is a big game for them, and
where it's at home. With that value, I do really
I do really like it. I would touch the over
under on this. I know that there's a little bit
of weighted underdog status to under six and a half,
but I don't think this is going under and since
there's less value on going over.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I don't know that I touched this one, but I
could easily see this be in a five to three game.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
That's a Western hockey sense to go over over the
course of the whole year more than it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
And I think this is going to be a wild
weekend to begin with Michigan. Let's turn to hockey.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
East Boston University, probably on a bit of a high
after that four to one beanpot win over Number one
BU on Monday night, head to Providence and this one
over under his six and a half and the money
line is even minus one fifteen.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, I think that's basically saying that b who's technically
a slight favorite because they're on the road, it's even money.
I hate the one fifteen inhould be one ten? Come on,
get that right? Draft kicks Anyways, I look at BU,
they're riding a high, and I think that it is
very rare that you get to the month of February
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and you have a bunch of unknowns.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
But right now BU has I.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Wouldn't say a bunch, but they have one massive unknown
and it's how good this goaltender is. Mikyle Yagarov comes
in from Omaha by way of Petersburg, Russia, or I
guess it's from Saint Petersburg, Russia by where wey of Omaha.
But he's only played five games. I think at this
point for BU, he looks good. He just wont a
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bean pot. He just shut down the number one team
in the country on Monday night. So I feel like
there's a lot of momentum on Bu's side.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
In Providence, they're locking it.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
They had a top weekend with Maine last weekend, lost
a lead in a three to three tie, did win
the shootout, and then they lost a game in overtime
the next night, just taking two points away from Maine
last weekend. I feel like sometimes you just see teams
turn because you've got all the momentum, but you get
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too high and you're so low. If you're Providence, you
can't go any lower. You're going to raise yourself up.
It feels like one would be a perfect time to
pick Providence, but I'd still pick BU here.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Yeah, I think there's a problem college hockey, and it's
called the BU Terriers.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
It is a if you'd have asked, if you'd come
to me at the end of December, and you'd have said,
I know, BU, I think was a top ten team there.
And I was actually talking about this yesterday, well last
night with some people, and we were talking about BU
in general, and one of the things that I said
was Boston University.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Look, Hockey East is a very good league this year.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
You're looking at six seven teams possibly getting in or whatever,
the five or six teams whatever. The insanity of that
number is each one of those teams, each one of
the teams that are floating around, had a really good goaltender.
You have Boy up at May and you have follower BC,
you have Rabble U Mass who's on the bubble.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
This is a good goaltending, good defensive league.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Boston University was the exception, which was they were in
the top ten and they were not playing well defensively.
And now we look at Boston University and they come
in with this with a goaltender that has played exceptionally
well his first five games, and I know he's still
an unknown.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You're wondering when it's going to end. In all this,
will it end?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
These are questions that you, being a generality, asked, But
the fact that he's picked up three wins. One of
those losses was a phenomenal game in his debut against
Boston College. He's got a nine to fifty one save
percentage in a one point four goals against average.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
He is the BU has changed the dynamic of the conversation.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
And when I say college hockey's going to be you
problem right now, it's because BU is probably playing the
hottest hockey in the country right now, and it's because
they changed one position and got a goaltender in who
is playing up to standard.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Really, he's a second round draft pick.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
So from a betting standpoint, be you at this point,
there's no reason to not pick against b There's no
reason to pick against BU.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
You should be riding B you at this point.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
And even I know we haven't talked about futures, but
there there are things in making the Frozen Four, making
a national championship right now that I don't want to
see Boston University on my calendar if I'm anybody right now.
They are playing that well, and I know I'm getting
a little bit too high on them, but because the
season numbers are what they are, You're going to find
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a ton of value on BU because you have a
team that's at minus one p fifteen in a pick them.
If this, I would have almost put Providence as a
home underdog with the way things are going lately, but
BU season numbers don't really support that. The undermakes sense here,
but it's also a minus one forty. I think I
think you Goorov's kind of an X factor in this,
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and I think that he's just that BU right now
is not a team to ever pick against.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Here's the problem. A night like last Friday, right a
two to one loss on the road in overtime to Merrimack,
a team that BU should have been. And that's another
one of the games that your goaltender does what he's
supposed to do. He gives up only one goal in regulation,
two goals in total, and it's the game winners on
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a two to one one in overtime. He's doing all
they can, but you get a power outage for BU,
and that when that happens, that's the issue, when they
suddenly don't score. You go back to the second loss
against BC in the regular season series, that was Yakora's
first game. That was a two nothing loss, one nothing
with an empty netter. Again, the BU offense just went
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to sleep. They went to sleep last week at Merrimack.
So that's my concern when I agree with you, I
do not bet against BU right now.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
But.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I don't know that I comfortably bet for them because
of the fact that I worry about their offense just
falling asleep.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Counter argument to it is that the power outage hasn't
happened all that often. It happened against BC, it happened
against Merrimac, and the last time they had a power
outage with the UNH, they won the game in overtime
with UNH that was two one winning overtime.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Beyond that, it.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Hadn't really happened since they were shut out by UMass
at the beginning of December, and when you look at
some of the losses that they hadn't and it's almost
like they're a completely different team.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
The seven to five loss to Gale, I think is
I'm not calling that one a power outage. I'm calling
that one a I'm calling that one.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Bully couldn't stop a beach ball, yeah, And I'm calling
that one the hockey guys might have might have gone
crazy that night. So it's tough, but at least from
a betting standpoint right now. It's one of those where
you're on the roller coaster there. It's scarlet and white.
That's just the that's the fun of the whole game
right now.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Well, let's go to our other Hockey East game, which
is our pizza money bet, which means that the odds
are so big you throw money on that if you
don't mind skipping a pizza. It has New Hampshire at Maine. Now,
New Hampshire has had a bad twenty twenty five. Started
out with two non conference wins in Princeton at the
beginning of January, but since then one in eight in
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Hockey East, two of those losses in overtime. Meanwhile, Maine
has been on a roll. They've only had one game
that was not against the top twenty team and they've
got free thundersticks tonight at alphont.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
You need to make that building any louder. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
The numbers in that one, the over under is five
and a half. But these are the wide numbers here.
New Hampshire is the underdog at plus two to eighty
main the home favorite, and this is like as high
as they go on college hockey, minus three to ninety five.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
We'll see it.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I guarantee somewhere in either an NCAA tournament or a
first round of a league tournament, we'll see minus eight
hundred this year. Yeah, probably a minus eight hundred number
one seed getting somebody.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
But no, this is the right odds.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
New Hampshire's not scoring and that it's become a problem
for them. And when they do score last Saturday night
being an example, they suddenly find ways to give up goals.
And Jared Whale did not have his best game last
Saturday and that became a five to four loss. I
look at this UNH team as one that has plenty
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of potential. They've beat me each of the last two seasons.
This is their rival this is their rivalry game. I
just I don't see it happening on Friday night. I
don't see it happening this weekend. I'll be up there
for Saturday's game and I don't. I just Maine is
playing such good hockey right now. The rivalry might be
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the one thing that can set it over the edge.
But I just don't have the confidence in UNH right now.
I will say that. You don't hear me say that
this often. I'm hammering the under here because I don't
care about the fact that it is. It's five and
a half. That's too high. I think this should have
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been five or four and a half because this could
be a two. This probably is a two to one,
three to one game.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
There's the when I look at this one and that
kind of my whole thing with the pizza money bet
is that it's you're basically willing to flush the twenty
dollars or whatever it is down rather than order your
pizza or apparently at cal Zone if you're real if
because those things run, you're pretty good. Look, UNH has
had its problems. I don't think the loss to Merrimac
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was very good.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
And one of the wins that they had that they've had,
or the only win they've had since New Year's was
against Vermont, which is not a top team in Hockey East.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Like where of all the teams.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
In Hockey East that exist, UNH beat the team that's
currently a ninth And I know UNH is in eleventh.
So it's not a particularly strong argument to look at
a game at Maine where those thundersticks are.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Let's just say that the fans.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
May have already started tail gaming, where for this one,
if it's a Friday morning, they may are like classes,
there's gonna be some main students that don't go to
class on a Friday for this game.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
UNH.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
On the other hand, isn't that why you play the game?
And that's the point. You're a plus two eighty and
you're going to your biggest rival. You don't really care
what your record is and you just got to play
that one game to get that good vibes and for
you and ah, what is UNH?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I think eighteenth in the pair wise?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Nineteenth in the pairwise there is a bit of a
significant number in there where if they can beat Maine,
they can maybe jump up. I don't think it gets
them close enough to get into the thirteen or anything
like that, but it can get them at least to
start and get them up to sixteen or get them
up a couple of spots with games left on the
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schedule against BC and UMass Bowl, so there are there
the road wind too in the RPI.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
That's key if they can pull off one of these.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
So plus two eighty, sure, why not have some fun
on this and immerse yourself in a rivalry that is
sneaky one of the best. Like PCBU at Hockey East
is obviously number one. Everyone goes banana lants for it.
I think I go banana lants for BCBU. I know
that friends of mine that went.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
To U n H.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
They hate me, like they just outright hate me.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
And it's going to be crazy this weekend and I'm
excited to I'm excited for you, Jimmy, to be able
to go up there, and I know you've been there
before for a U NH main game, but it's always
fun when you get to get up to Orno and
get that. Tim Horton said, throw that's help by the
airport too, but it's that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
That's gonna be a wild weekend up there in Orno.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
With that, we're going to wrap up this edition, although
I do want to drop in a little love for
the inexpensive cal Zone. I can get two supermarket cal
zones at Wegman's for eight dollars and fifty cents twelve
minutes in the oven. They're terrific. So there are deals
to be found on kel Zone.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I'm trying trying.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
To remember what we paid for at BJ's for BJ's
wholesale club for ours, but separately rival You asked us
at the beginning, is there a friendly rivalry where people
get along?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Ri T Bentley look at us? That all right, Bentley?
That we can get along? Fine, we went. Ri T
is in the building.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's sort of a rivalry of on Wii.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
How's that for? We're good for? Wrap up right now.
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Day Prognostications Here. We're going to start out with three
games from the NCCHC, which is having quite a battle
for the top of the league, and the big angry matchup.
So they tell me the big rivalry, the big two
teams who had each other, North Dakota and Denver. Do
two teams ever really like each other? I'll ask that
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question to another time. Six and a half is the
over under on this one. Denver is the favorite at
minus two twenty at home North Dakota plus one seventy.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
The line's probably in the right place. It doesn't mean
that I like Denver. I don't think I would touch
this one. To be honest with you, North Dakota has
the ability. They've actually had some good weekends of late.
Denver's had some hiccups.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I don't feel comfortable not I don't feel comfortable enough
to beat North Dakota. I definitely don't feel comfortable laying
any money on Denver, you know, getting returning minus two
to twenty off.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, I tend to agree on this.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
The other part of it is that North Dakota has
been hasn't won a Friday game in a while. I
think the last one they might have won was Saint
Cloud first semester. They just are not a particularly strong
team on Friday. Actually, they beat Saint Cloud to shootout,
that doesn't count. That's a tie. They have not been
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on Fridays. But the odds at least make it worthwhile
to dangle on North Dakota if you're going to bet
this game, largely because the Denver hasn't done much the
last few weeks, I want to say, to really justify
betting on a minus two twenty, I don't feel comfortable
betting on North Dakota.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I probably stay away on this one too.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
If I'm gonna do anything, I maybe look at the
under of six and a half being offering plus one,
offering some type of plus value. But even then I
don't feel comfortable with it because NCCHC games easily can
hit over on six and a half, So I don't
I don't love anything about this one other than that
if I am going to take one and I'm gonna
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throw one down, it's not a pizza bet. But North
Dakota's probably on the docket. Maybe it's a cal zone bet.
It's not a pizza bet.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Now, col zones get pretty expensive, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I kind of like the overall under here.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I hate the fact that it's weighted though minus one
thirty bet over six and a half. I don't like
that bet either. There's just this is one where the
bookmakers make it an unattractive bet in general.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh, let's look at our second game for this episode
in the NCHC. Arizona State is at Minnesota Duluth. This
one's also an over under of six and a half.
Arizona State favored heavily on the road at minus one,
and the home underdog, Minnesota Duluth is plus one point fifty.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Again, I think it's in the right place this line.
Arizona State's in a battle right now. They're trying to win,
potentially win a Regelow season championship. Sitting three points behind
Western Michigan. They do give up two games in hand
to the Broncos, so it's a tough climb, but why
not be in that spot if you're Arizona State. They're
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also on the pair wise bubble. This game means everything
to them. Duluth, there is still meaning. You're trying to
play your best hockey down the stretch. It hasn't been
the greatest season. They've had some signs of hope of late,
but this is it's it's tough setting right now for Duluth.
I just like Arizona State here. I don't love the
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money on them, but again, probably wouldn't rush out to
bet them, but I like Arizona State on the road.
I know you're a home underdog fan, Dan, but this
one I don't think I could actually go and touch
the louth.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
No and I and of home underdogs, there's a part
of me that would love to love to bet Duluth
hair but it's just it's just not in the cards
because I just don't feel confident in them.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And there's a couple of reasons supporting that.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
One is I look, everyone knows I love Minnesota Duluth
and everyone I talk to knows. I love Scottie Sandalin's
is a gentleman of the game. I love Duluth as
a program. My problem with Duluth right now is they're
in that spot in the NCCHC where you look at
them and say, somebody's gonna lose a game to them
that is going to really hurt their playoff chances. And
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they're in that position because they haven't played well and
they already beat Denver. To me, the win over Denver
is that boy, someone really did lose to Duluth down
the stretch.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It's not going to be Arizona State right now.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Arizona State, I think, is playing too well, hockey, too
good of a hockey, just everything to get themselves into position.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I don't even know what the right grammars.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
They're playing well and they're at minus one ninety five,
which kills the value on them. So this is what
we see this time of year where the computers, the bookmakers,
when they start to balance it out, plus the added
bets on that'll tilt the odds based on the fact
that you have Arizona State probably going to gain more
traction just by being Arizona State. The numbers are going
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to land exactly where they where we would expect. But
it also kills the value because this is trying to
entice bets on Duluth that I don't think are smart bets.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Likewise, over under, I don't love it. Over under six
and a half.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I think it's a well placed number because I just
don't I don't envision this going over, and I don't
love under bet on any like I said, I'll love
underbets the NCCHD anyway.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
One other NCCHD game before the break, Omaha, which seemingly
quietly has crept up on everybody, and Western Michigan, which
has made a lot of noise. Omaha is at WMU
five and a half is the over under. Omaha is
a heavy underdog in this one at plus two ten,
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and Western Michigan is a minus two eighty at home.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I'm trying to get my hands around what Omaha is,
who Omaha is. The beginning of the season, they get
swept by Minnesota State, swept by Augustanus, swept by Western
I didn't have a lot of hope. They had won
that ice break and I said, okay, maybe this is
their year. And then they just went on this run.
Two wins over Colorado College, those at home, two at Miami,
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wins at home against Saint Cloud State, then they tied
Denver and then get they get thumped eleven two. Then
they come back and sweep Minnesota deluthe. I just feel
like there's this Jeckel and high team right now that
I can't really put a lot of my.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Arms around for Omaha.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
On the other hand, I feel like Western Michigan has
been so consistent this season, So I despite the fact
that this goes against a lot of principal Western Michigan
eighty minus two to eighty favorites, if I bet this game,
I would still take Western. I would try to hedge
it with something else, another game that I felt confident about,
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maybe one of our pizza money bed or maybe you
go back to that game where we were talking about
Arizona State at minus one ninety five. Maybe you have
to parliament the two together. But I just I can't
take Omaha here. As much as that they have played
some good hockey down the stretch here, I still don't
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have the confidence in them.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I don't love when I was looking at this one
and I was assuming that this would be one that
we were going to talk. I don't love how Omaha
has gotten to this point in a sense that you're right,
they're very jeck alone Hyde. And when you look at
the numbers, and when you look at the overall season numbers,
not necessarily the numbers over the last month or two.
I'm talking overall season, they're a top twenty five ish
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team and goals scored. They're a top twenty team in
goals allowed. They are not a top ranked team on
the power play. They are not a top ranked team
on the penalty killed. They just seem to win hockeys.
And the strange thing about that to me is that
eventually you need to come up with a reason why
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they are winning those hockey games and why they are
playing and what gives them the competitive edge over a
team like Western Michigan, which may cut in after Monday's
bean pot to the first place votes in the poll
come next week. Any time a number one team loses,
there's a possibility Western Michigan, which I think is number
two in the country right now, is gonna be is
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gonna step into that kind of role. So I don't
love the plus two ten on Omaha makes it viable
to bet Omaha. But at the same time, it's just
not a great number to be able to jump on.
It's just a great bet to jump on. It's maybe
if we had made this a pizza bet, I'd be
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all over Omaha, but it's not. And therefore I don't
love even touching this one because unless you're pairing Western Michigan,
like you said, with a parlay somewhere.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Well.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
In our next segment, we're gonna look at a couple
of Hockey East games and a big matchup in the
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We're back with usccho edge. Let's start out with the
Big Ten matchup. I mentioned Minnesota is at Michigan. Over
under is six and a half, and I'm thinking it
could have been higher, but that's just the way things
have been going lately. There we'll see what the experts say.
Minnesota is a road favorite but only a minus one thirty.
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Michigan at home a slight underdog but just barely at
plus one hundred.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I feel like this is one of those series you
maybe circle back when the season started. Oh, this could
determine the Big Ten Championship. It's not going to technically
determine the Big Ten Championship, but it's still a really
critical series, and it's one that a lot of eyeballs
will be on Michigan. They're just trying to play themselves
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into a better position they want. Obviously, they want a
whole ice bid in that first round of the playoffs.
That's not locked up, but it's secure. They have a
four point lead over Wisconsin. They'd like to move up
and maybe avoid Wisconsin. Not that Penn State or Notre
Dame is the greatest thing to be paired with greatest
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team to be paired with in the quarter final round,
but just maybe get away from Wisconsin, which has been
jekling hidish in a positive way this season. There's there's
definitely some weekends that you know that Wisconsin can pull
off the upset.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
So I look at this for Michigan. It's big. Minnesota,
it's really big.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
If they have any hopes of catching Michigan State, this
is the weekend they have to do it. They have
the two games in hand, they're five points behind. This
is the weekend to move into first place. If it's
out there, if it's going to be done, this is
the weekend they're going to do it. It's the bye
weekend for Michigan States. This is the opportunity that Minnesota's
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been waiting for all season.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I suspect that we might see these two teams play
each other in the national Tournament, especially based off your
back totology, Jimmy, where you had them both going to Fargo.
I could easily see this being a matchup that we
see a couple of times the rest of the way,
whether it's in the postseason, in the Big Ten Tournament eventually,
or whether it's in the National tournament, and I think
that there is a premium from Michigan on being able
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to win this game at home.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
They've been exceptional at home.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I think that they are a very good team in
an arbor. They've been very good this year, nine to
four at home to seven, six and two on the road,
and I really like the fact that they are playing
this one at home. That to me adds the value
on the bet when you're looking at them as a
quote home underdog. Now to me, when I talk about
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home underdogs, it's not a huge underdog, but it's enough
that you can make a little bit extra on Michigan
than you could on Minnesota on this. And given the
positioning in the Big Ten, given what Michigan has at stake,
maybe even to jump up from a three seed to
a two seed in the tournament and to see how
that might play out in the in the national tournament,
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I think this is a big game for them, and
where it's at home. With that value, I do really
I do really like it. I would touch the over
under on this. I know that there's a little bit
of weighted underdog status to under six and a half,
but I don't think this is going under and since
there's less value on going over.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I don't know that I touched this one, but I
could easily see this be in a five to three game.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
That's a Western hockey sense to go over over the
course of the whole year more than it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
And I think this is going to be a wild
weekend to begin with Michigan. Let's turn to hockey.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
East Boston University, probably on a bit of a high
after that four to one beanpot win over Number one
BU on Monday night, head to Providence and this one
over under his six and a half and the money
line is even minus one fifteen.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, I think that's basically saying that b who's technically
a slight favorite because they're on the road, it's even money.
I hate the one fifteen inhould be one ten? Come on,
get that right? Draft kicks Anyways, I look at BU,
they're riding a high, and I think that it is
very rare that you get to the month of February
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and you have a bunch of unknowns.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
But right now BU has I.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Wouldn't say a bunch, but they have one massive unknown
and it's how good this goaltender is. Mikyle Yagarov comes
in from Omaha by way of Petersburg, Russia, or I
guess it's from Saint Petersburg, Russia by where wey of Omaha.
But he's only played five games. I think at this
point for BU, he looks good. He just wont a
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bean pot. He just shut down the number one team
in the country on Monday night. So I feel like
there's a lot of momentum on Bu's side.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
In Providence, they're locking it.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
They had a top weekend with Maine last weekend, lost
a lead in a three to three tie, did win
the shootout, and then they lost a game in overtime
the next night, just taking two points away from Maine
last weekend. I feel like sometimes you just see teams
turn because you've got all the momentum, but you get
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too high and you're so low. If you're Providence, you
can't go any lower. You're going to raise yourself up.
It feels like one would be a perfect time to
pick Providence, but I'd still pick BU here.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Yeah, I think there's a problem college hockey, and it's
called the BU Terriers.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
It is a if you'd have asked, if you'd come
to me at the end of December, and you'd have said,
I know, BU, I think was a top ten team there.
And I was actually talking about this yesterday, well last
night with some people, and we were talking about BU
in general, and one of the things that I said
was Boston University.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Look, Hockey East is a very good league this year.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
You're looking at six seven teams possibly getting in or whatever,
the five or six teams whatever. The insanity of that
number is each one of those teams, each one of
the teams that are floating around, had a really good goaltender.
You have Boy up at May and you have follower BC,
you have Rabble U Mass who's on the bubble.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
This is a good goaltending, good defensive league.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Boston University was the exception, which was they were in
the top ten and they were not playing well defensively.
And now we look at Boston University and they come
in with this with a goaltender that has played exceptionally
well his first five games, and I know he's still
an unknown.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You're wondering when it's going to end. In all this,
will it end?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
These are questions that you, being a generality, asked, But
the fact that he's picked up three wins. One of
those losses was a phenomenal game in his debut against
Boston College. He's got a nine to fifty one save
percentage in a one point four goals against average.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
He is the BU has changed the dynamic of the conversation.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
And when I say college hockey's going to be you
problem right now, it's because BU is probably playing the
hottest hockey in the country right now, and it's because
they changed one position and got a goaltender in who
is playing up to standard.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Really, he's a second round draft pick.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
So from a betting standpoint, be you at this point,
there's no reason to not pick against b There's no
reason to pick against BU.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
You should be riding B you at this point.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
And even I know we haven't talked about futures, but
there there are things in making the Frozen Four, making
a national championship right now that I don't want to
see Boston University on my calendar if I'm anybody right now.
They are playing that well, and I know I'm getting
a little bit too high on them, but because the
season numbers are what they are, You're going to find
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a ton of value on BU because you have a
team that's at minus one p fifteen in a pick them.
If this, I would have almost put Providence as a
home underdog with the way things are going lately, but
BU season numbers don't really support that. The undermakes sense here,
but it's also a minus one forty. I think I
think you Goorov's kind of an X factor in this,
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and I think that he's just that BU right now
is not a team to ever pick against.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Here's the problem. A night like last Friday, right a
two to one loss on the road in overtime to Merrimack,
a team that BU should have been. And that's another
one of the games that your goaltender does what he's
supposed to do. He gives up only one goal in regulation,
two goals in total, and it's the game winners on
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a two to one one in overtime. He's doing all
they can, but you get a power outage for BU,
and that when that happens, that's the issue, when they
suddenly don't score. You go back to the second loss
against BC in the regular season series, that was Yakora's
first game. That was a two nothing loss, one nothing
with an empty netter. Again, the BU offense just went
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to sleep. They went to sleep last week at Merrimack.
So that's my concern when I agree with you, I
do not bet against BU right now.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
But.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I don't know that I comfortably bet for them because
of the fact that I worry about their offense just
falling asleep.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Counter argument to it is that the power outage hasn't
happened all that often. It happened against BC, it happened
against Merrimac, and the last time they had a power
outage with the UNH, they won the game in overtime
with UNH that was two one winning overtime.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Beyond that, it.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Hadn't really happened since they were shut out by UMass
at the beginning of December, and when you look at
some of the losses that they hadn't and it's almost
like they're a completely different team.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
The seven to five loss to Gale, I think is
I'm not calling that one a power outage. I'm calling
that one a I'm calling that one.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Bully couldn't stop a beach ball, yeah, And I'm calling
that one the hockey guys might have might have gone
crazy that night. So it's tough, but at least from
a betting standpoint right now. It's one of those where
you're on the roller coaster there. It's scarlet and white.
That's just the that's the fun of the whole game
right now.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Well, let's go to our other Hockey East game, which
is our pizza money bet, which means that the odds
are so big you throw money on that if you
don't mind skipping a pizza. It has New Hampshire at Maine. Now,
New Hampshire has had a bad twenty twenty five. Started
out with two non conference wins in Princeton at the
beginning of January, but since then one in eight in
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Hockey East, two of those losses in overtime. Meanwhile, Maine
has been on a roll. They've only had one game
that was not against the top twenty team and they've
got free thundersticks tonight at alphont.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
You need to make that building any louder. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
The numbers in that one, the over under is five
and a half. But these are the wide numbers here.
New Hampshire is the underdog at plus two to eighty
main the home favorite, and this is like as high
as they go on college hockey, minus three to ninety five.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
We'll see it.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I guarantee somewhere in either an NCAA tournament or a
first round of a league tournament, we'll see minus eight
hundred this year. Yeah, probably a minus eight hundred number
one seed getting somebody.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
But no, this is the right odds.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
New Hampshire's not scoring and that it's become a problem
for them. And when they do score last Saturday night
being an example, they suddenly find ways to give up goals.
And Jared Whale did not have his best game last
Saturday and that became a five to four loss. I
look at this UNH team as one that has plenty
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of potential. They've beat me each of the last two seasons.
This is their rival this is their rivalry game. I
just I don't see it happening on Friday night. I
don't see it happening this weekend. I'll be up there
for Saturday's game and I don't. I just Maine is
playing such good hockey right now. The rivalry might be
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the one thing that can set it over the edge.
But I just don't have the confidence in UNH right now.
I will say that. You don't hear me say that
this often. I'm hammering the under here because I don't
care about the fact that it is. It's five and
a half. That's too high. I think this should have
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been five or four and a half because this could
be a two. This probably is a two to one,
three to one game.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
There's the when I look at this one and that
kind of my whole thing with the pizza money bet
is that it's you're basically willing to flush the twenty
dollars or whatever it is down rather than order your
pizza or apparently at cal Zone if you're real if
because those things run, you're pretty good. Look, UNH has
had its problems. I don't think the loss to Merrimac
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was very good.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
And one of the wins that they had that they've had,
or the only win they've had since New Year's was
against Vermont, which is not a top team in Hockey East.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Like where of all the teams.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
In Hockey East that exist, UNH beat the team that's
currently a ninth And I know UNH is in eleventh.
So it's not a particularly strong argument to look at
a game at Maine where those thundersticks are.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Let's just say that the fans.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
May have already started tail gaming, where for this one,
if it's a Friday morning, they may are like classes,
there's gonna be some main students that don't go to
class on a Friday for this game.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
UNH.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
On the other hand, isn't that why you play the game?
And that's the point. You're a plus two eighty and
you're going to your biggest rival. You don't really care
what your record is and you just got to play
that one game to get that good vibes and for
you and ah, what is UNH?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I think eighteenth in the pair wise?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Nineteenth in the pairwise there is a bit of a
significant number in there where if they can beat Maine,
they can maybe jump up. I don't think it gets
them close enough to get into the thirteen or anything
like that, but it can get them at least to
start and get them up to sixteen or get them
up a couple of spots with games left on the
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schedule against BC and UMass Bowl, so there are there
the road wind too in the RPI.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
That's key if they can pull off one of these.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
So plus two eighty, sure, why not have some fun
on this and immerse yourself in a rivalry that is
sneaky one of the best. Like PCBU at Hockey East
is obviously number one. Everyone goes banana lants for it.
I think I go banana lants for BCBU. I know
that friends of mine that went.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
To U n H.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
They hate me, like they just outright hate me.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
And it's going to be crazy this weekend and I'm
excited to I'm excited for you, Jimmy, to be able
to go up there, and I know you've been there
before for a U NH main game, but it's always
fun when you get to get up to Orno and
get that. Tim Horton said, throw that's help by the
airport too, but it's that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
That's gonna be a wild weekend up there in Orno.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
With that, we're going to wrap up this edition, although
I do want to drop in a little love for
the inexpensive cal Zone. I can get two supermarket cal
zones at Wegman's for eight dollars and fifty cents twelve
minutes in the oven. They're terrific. So there are deals
to be found on kel Zone.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I'm trying trying.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
To remember what we paid for at BJ's for BJ's
wholesale club for ours, but separately rival You asked us
at the beginning, is there a friendly rivalry where people
get along?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Ri T Bentley look at us? That all right, Bentley?
That we can get along? Fine, we went. Ri T
is in the building.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's sort of a rivalry of on Wii.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
How's that for? We're good for? Wrap up right now.
This has been us c h O edge.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
This episode is sponsored by the NCAA Men's d One
Frozen four, April tenth and twelfth in Saint Louis, Missouri.
Get your tickets now at NCAA dot com. Slash Frozen
four for Jim Connelly, for Dan Rubin, I'm ed Trevsker
and this has been us c h O edge
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