October 25, 2024 • 28 mins
USCHO Edge hosts Jim Connelly (@jimmyconnelly), Dan Rubin (@DanRubin12) and Ed Trefzger (@EdTrefzger) look at money lines and over/under for five key games on October 25, 2024:
- Maine -166 @ Northeastern + 130; over/under 5.5
- Boston University -115 @ North Dakota -115; o/u 6.5
- Augustana +250 @ St. Cloud State -345; o/u 5.5
- Omaha -115 @ Minnesota State -115; o/u 5.5
- Wisconsin +240 @ Denver -330; o/u 6.5
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Ussecho dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome to us Echo Edge for Friday, October twenty fifth,
twenty twenty four. I'm ed trefs girl alongside top notch
prognosticators Jim Connolly and Dan Rubin. I guess you guys
are top notch. I hope so, because I've got a
question something. We had a lot of games listed the
first two weekends, but for Friday DraftKings where we get
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the odds, only has five games on there. And it
got me wondering why that might be. And I looked
at the schedule in there. They've pretty much covered most
of the top games, like the big league games in
Hockey East and matchups with ranked teams. But normally we've
been seeing about a dozen games. Why are some reasons
why we might only see five this week?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Well, I think the last games you're putting lines up
for the more, you're probably mitigating your risk. If you're
the bookmakers and you don't know at this point in
the season, maybe they've been getting killed, maybe they're getting
hammered in. There's certain teams that are trying to avoid
This is all pure speculation. I don't have any through
answer in there. There are some games and we only
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do Friday because the Friday odds are what's up when
we have a chance to record this podcast. But like
the Boston College Western Michigan game, that's a single game
on the weekend, that's a Saturday, So we're not going
to have that odds. I think that's one that they
probably would have put up if they had the opportunity,
And it'll probably be up there on Saturday morning if
you go back and check. Unless you, for us live
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in Massachusetts like Dan and I do, then we don't
see that one. Then we have to depend on Ed
to look it up for us. But I so again
it's pure speculation. I think that it's just maybe just
the schedule is what it really comes down through is
you just don't have roadbust schedule with a ton of games,
and these books probably just looking to mitigate some of
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their liability when all of a said and done.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, and when you look at the some of the
Friday games that are not on your app once you
get past the ones that you're not going to be
able to bet on, like Jimmy said, like we we're
not going to see Yukon and U mass in Massachusetts anyway.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Just because that's of state laws.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
But when you start looking at some of the matchups
that are out there, there isn't a whole lot of
action for the books make anything on, not unless you're
putting odds down that are insane, or you're not going
to get much action anyway. So when you look at
some of these teams, and this isn't a knock against
some teams in college hockey, this is a knock maybe
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against the interest that they draw in betting. You're not
going to see betting odds on a Bentley Army just
because those types of games are not going to draw
much interest anyway, and so they're not going to post
them because they're also going to be The odds that
they would have to host would be so out of
whack in some cases that they don't want to put
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those in there.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
So there's a whole bunch of factors.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That when they run the algorithms and they come back,
there's gonna be in just everything under the sun that
makes them say we're not posting this for the handful
of bets we might get on it where we don't
stand to make anything, and the odds would have to
be so far apart that betters are not going to
make anything unless they.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
What are you gonna get?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You're gonna bet on a minus seven hundred somewhere along
the line.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
That's just not something that they're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, here's a good example as I look at Friday night,
there's a game that probably requires a lot of people
to pay attention, especially if you're fans of either schools,
and that's OURPI Union. It's a rivalry game, it's the
blackout game for OURPI, a big game for them at home.
But outside of that little market, does anybody really care?
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And if they do, they're probably a sharp better and
they probably have some decent insight.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
As to which way that game will go.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
And thus books are just if you're putting that out there,
you're really only putting it out there for people that
are just going to give the books more liability, as
opposed to say a game that we will talk about
Boston University of North Dakota. There are a lot of
passionate North Dkota fans that if they get the opportunity
to lay a wager on their team legally somewhere, they're
going to do it, and that those might be a
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lot of Homer fans. So if North Dakota falls something
that is just as liable as them winning, then the
book stands to make money.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I think that you just said.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I think they've really at this point in the season
they're looking to find matchups that are appealing enough that
both teams will see equal actions.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
So the liability of the book is not that great.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, you're not going to look at ANLU Notre Dame
and what the odds would spit back If you're a
Notre dame better, you're not making anything.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
So there's it's just not something you're good.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
The odds you get, you're just not going to make
any money, and the odds that you would get on
LU if you bet if you win, the books don't
want to lose the money that they're going to lose
on that. That would be insanity and it would cost them.
That's not like I said, that's not a KNOCKLU could
easily go out and win that game, but they're going
to do it with a lot of long odds on.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Them, and the only money is going on LU. That's
the big issue.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
One thing you can look at it and we'll talk
about this in a future episode. I'm sure, probably two
or three times this season is the futures on an
NCAA Championship. Now, I can't see the whole list right
now because I'm not logged into a VPN through Phoenix
or Missouri or wherever I've been doing it. But if
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you feel like you could throw down one hundred bucks
with the opportunity to win fifty thousand dollars if Brown
or Robert Morris end up winning the National Championship, you
can do that also. But those are interesting to look at,
and we'll do that in a future episode. It gives
you an idea what they think the chances are of
a team winning the national Championship. And where I am
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in New York State, where I can't see anything any
of the eleven New York teams, I see Boston College
plus four fifty, Denver plus eight hundred, Minnesota plus eight
hundred in Michigan plus eleven hundred, followed not too far
behind by BU Michigan State, North Dakota, and Maine as
favorites to win the National Championship.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
If you want to play.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Around with that, and maybe that's your long term thing,
you got a rent or a team, you're really a
fan of or just a hunch and don't mind tying
up the money for the next five or six months.
That's something they have a little fun with too. With that,
let's jump into what we have for this week. We'll
start in our first segment here with two matchups in
Hockey East. We have Maine at Northeastern, and I saw
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from our colleague John Doyle in his Hockey East column
this week that Maine has not won a game at
Matthew's Arena since twenty twelve and they're running out of
time to do it, since that arena is either going
to be torn down or hopefully not fall down, but
its days are coming to an end anyway. In that game,
the money line is Maine minus one sixty six Northeastern
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plus one thirty with the over under of five and
a half.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You just gave good enough data right there that placing
a bet on Northeastern a plus one thirty is probably
a good bet to make. They seem to just be
into the heads of Maine hell a little bit over
the last decade plus Bot. This is a much better
main team than we've seen for the last twelve years,
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and they're coming off a really emotional high powered weekend
where they upset beat I'm not going to say upset,
but they beat Quinnipiac twice at home Saturday nights game
coming in overtime at Dramatics six ' five come from
behind victory after they had a four leading that game,
fell behind and then tied it late and won in overtime.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
But those are the types of weekends.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
That when you come out of them, the emotion is
so high it's you can ride that emotion for quite
some time, or and we've seen it, teams get a
big drop off. You slipped because you don't have that
same emotion. Playing Northeastern this weekend might not feel as
emotional of a game as the two against Quinnipiac or
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last weekend. So I'm interested to see where Maine comes out.
But just on the fact that Northeastern hasn't lost to
Maine at home since twenty twelve, out of the loan
to me is enough to throw a little pizza money
on the on the plus one thirty line. Even if
I do think that Maine should be a heavier favorite
in this game.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
One of the things in this one that stuck out
to me is that we're still not really sure what
Northeastern is bringing this year. The two teams that they've
played in their three games were a five to one
win over stone Hill, which it is an improved team,
but it's still not on par with a Hockey East team,
And in two games out at Denver, who are the
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defending national champions, you lose each of those games five
to two, and Denver's number one in the country.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
They're just they're better.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So this is a good litmus test for Northeastern, the
fact that it is at home, the fact that I
think there is something too when a team comes into Matthews.
For what it's worth, the crowd there can be pretty hostile,
and the crowd there can be hostile from the upper deck,
which for the construction of the building, even though it's
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apparently sinking into Boston Harbor, even though it's not located
near the water, it's one of those places that is
just very hard to come into because of the construction
of the building. It's hard to play in front of
those fans. I like Northeastern's odds. I think if you
like Maine, this would be a game where you could
conceivably look at a puck line where it's one and
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a half when they're in underdog on the one and
a half.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I don't love puck line bets.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
We don't really talk about them, but if you think
Maine is going to come in and win, you can
get longer odds on them to win by multiple goals.
That said, I like where Northeastern is coming from on
it over under a five and a half two. I
think if it's going to go under, it's probably better
for Maine. If it's going to go over, it's going
to be better for Northeastern.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
We've got one more involving an Eastern team, and it's
being played at a scary place for anybody to come
and play at North Dakota Boston University at the Fighting Hawks.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
What a line on this one.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
And if I told you right now that this was
going to be one of the semi final games in
Saint Louis come April, probably believe me.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I would think I think I would. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
The odds of this being two teams that face whether
it's a quarterfinal, semifinal, or final, the odds of them
facing in the national tournament this year are probably pretty good.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So the line on this one, they're both minus one
fifteen so basically a toss up a pick them the
house takes. They're fifteen percent and they look for some
scoring in this one too. Over under six and a half.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I think that both of those numbers are perfectly laid.
The pick them is this is absolutely a pick them.
Would I stick with North Dakota probably because they're the
home team?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Likely.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I did CBU last week against Yukon, and they can
definitely get up the ice, they can score, They have
plenty of threats out there, and the Coles Hudson and
Isiserman are stand out players. But this is North Dakota,
and North Dakota has done a nice job when they've
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had to this year. They've already taken on a hockey's
team Providence in the Hall of Fame game and handled them.
So I don't mind either side of this bet. I
wouldn't touch the over under because I feel like this
is going to be a game. It's probably four to
two or four ready, so you're sitting right around that
six and a half, So I wouldn't touch that.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
But I could make it.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
A case to take BU, or I could make a
case to take North Dakota. So this is one I
think you just have to go with your gut and stick. Yeah,
I agree. I think this is well placed. On every
I think everything about this is well placed. I love
the fact that the pot line is almost insane. Was it?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
North Dakota's got plus two ten to be a one
and a half goal favorite, So even this one, this
is how tight. This is where you have even money
basically even odds on not even money, but even odds
on the on the money line.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
And then when you look at.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
The pock line, nobody's going to lose this game by
by more than one goal, at least according to where
the computers are coming in. One thing about BU that
I found interesting or anecdotal was just the in those
first three games, how well they put a team away.
They did a good job of putting away Holy Cross,
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they did a good job of putting away Union, and
Yukon was a little pesky in that game where they
took a one nothing to lead to you ucunt in
the first period, but then to come from behind and
then putting them away in the third period. So for me,
watching Bu hit that gas pedal, for me is something
that anchors them going into a game against the North Dakota,
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who has to play with a loss, having lost to
one of those two games at Minnesota State, So I
give b a little bit of an edge here. But
it's also the first time that bus going on the road,
and that made negate the edge because look, you may
you can be the number one team in the country
and going into the route is completely different than anywhere
else in college hockey.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Well that we're going to take a pause.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
There are three non conference games in the western part
of the country to look at. When usccho edge continues.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
We're back with you as cho edge.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Augustana, which just missed the top twenty in our poll
this week, is at number twelve sink Cloud State the Vikings,
coming off a terrific sweep in Omaha. Augustana is plus
two fifty home standing sink Cloud State minus three forty five.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
The over unders five point five.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
This is probably the most intriguing of the five matchups
that we're going to cover here, more so even than
be to a North Dakota.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I know that might be.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
The premier game, but I just look at Augustana. Everybody
wants to know really how good is this team and
the wins that they've been putting together would say that, yeah, hey,
we're here, We're going to be a good team, so
stink Cloud State. They have to be aware, and I'm
sure they are, and I'm sure they've been here here
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all weekend. Can't take these guys lightly, can't take these
guys lightly.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
But now the is still.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Have a bunch of eight nineteen twenty twenty one year
old players that now have to heed that advice and
go out there and not take this team too lightly
because if they do, they will get they'll get beat.
And I don't mind taking Augustana here with a big price.
That's why you get into gambling, is to have two
fifty dog on the money line plus two fifty.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I'd be taking that bet all day. Oh yeah, this
is for me.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
This is borderline a pizza money bet in a good way.
But you see those odds and for me, look, I've
been following what Augustander has been doing in general, just
as a market, as a team, South Dakota, as a
hockey spot. It's turned into one of those places where
you raised at eyebrown.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
You're like, could it be really that good? Could it
be what we want it to be?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
In Siwo Falls, And then you see them on the
ice and you see the building and you see everything
that they've done and you're like, like, like it could
be now. Whether or not they get to that point,
how quickly they get to that point requires them to
come out in games like this and perform well. One
thing I will say is that Garrett Raboyne is a
good hockey coach, came from Minnesota, assistant at Saint Cloud.
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He knows the ins and outs of what these programs
can do, what the coaching staffs can do.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
He's going to have that team ready to go.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
So from an odd standpoint, if you're if you're a
bettman or a betan woman, go for it.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
This is the one.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
This is the one where you look at a team
and you go this is the pizza money bet because
you're not going to find a team more capable of
winning with longer odds this year. Because let's be honest,
Augustana is not going to rock the boat on the
computers the way Saint Cloud would given reputation, history, all
that stuff. This is a way to get out in
front of the computer and break the computer.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And by the way, you mentioned Garrett born In, former
Saint Cloud assistant, also a grad I'm sure he'd be
very motivated to bring his team into Saint Cloud this weekend.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
As a coach told me recently, Yeah, it's always fun
to see the folks from the alma mater and shake
hands with them and exchange pleasantries.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
But then you want to hang the w oh do
you ever? There's it's not a nasty revenge.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Usually it's just you want to you don't want to
lose to the team that from where you come.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
You know, That's it's just that's human nature right there.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Omaha is at Minnesota State, the Mavericks probably licking. So
we've got Mavericks on both ends, don't we better be
more specific? Also, probably all the wounds after getting swept
by Augustan and last weekend, but this one another pick
them both teams minus one fifteen over under his five
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point five.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, I think that there has to be a level
of hunger for both of these teams. You're trying to
find ways to make sure that you don't start getting
on any early season runs in the wrong direction. And
especially for Omaha, I don't think that they expect to
come out of that weekend series with august Standad without
a win, without anything to show forward. I think that's
something that certainly sticks in the back of their mind,
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at least for Minnesota State.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
They split last weekend series.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But all they've done is split, and they're getting a
point that they're probably saying, Okay, when are we going
to win two on the same weekend.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
This might not be the easiest test to do.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It with a very hungry Nebraska Omaha team the Battle
of the Mavericks, which Maverick will come out.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I think, and I mentioned this when talking about Augustana,
but I think there was an issue that kind of
came up during the second game of Omaha's sweep loss,
which was that they gave up to it.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
They got beat. It wasn't a come from behind.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
They got beat four nothing, and they didn't have They
didn't give up a whole lot of shots. Simon Laozi
only had to make seventeen. They only made seventeen saves
in a four nothing lost. So to me, that indicates
that's not an indictment of a bowalie. That's an indictment
of defense giving up too many great A opportunities and
giving up too many good looks that the goalie was
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going to get beat on maybe one of those is
a goal that he's ordinarily a shot he's ordinarily going
to save after things start spiraling a bit. It happens
to goalies every year, every every week, there's one goalie
who gives up a goal that he problem he saves
every other time the shot comes in having not watched
the game and not having looked at it, I can't
really tell, but to me, any time you have lowered
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and saved numbers and too many goals, that's an indictment
of a defense. And I'm not saying that they can't
fix that. I'm not saying they're a bad team, nothing
of that sort. But they're facing a team that on
the opposite side popped up a loss in the first
game to North Dakota and then came back and shut
out North Dakota. So Minnesota State is if you're looking for,
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like you said, going getting out a run and you
don't want to go in the wrong direction with the run.
Minnesota State and Omaha both had to deal with tough
losses on Friday and responded very differently on Saturday. So
how they respond this week is going to tell you
whether or not they're coming back together, coming closer to
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the median, or if Omaha has some things they need
to fix at Minnesota State's starting to get on that
good run, So I probably if I'm picking this one
ride Minnesota State just don't know what happened last Saturday.
But by the same token, you have to watch that
first period and see what's going on with Omaha, and
maybe there is a chance that the odds shift a
bit in game. And that's something we don't usually talk
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about doing, is give it a few minutes and maybe
see what happens to the odds if you really don't
want to do this on the pickup.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Last game on our list is Wisconsin at Denver. The
Badgers are plus two forty. Denver is minus three point thirty.
The over under, despite Wisconsin's inability to score thus for
the season is six and a half. You got to
think about what's in the minds of Wisconsin the split
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in taking overtime to get the split two weeks ago
with linden Wood and then getting swept by Ohio State,
and earlier this week Mike Hastings saying they got to
tear down and rebuild the offense there at Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
This is an interesting one.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But man, what a difficult assignment for Wisconsin to head
out to Magnus Arena.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Kind of almost bad timing because when you're not feeling right,
the last thing you want to do is go play
the defending national champion that comes in four and oh
and has basically handled every opponent this season. I don't
think that this is a great place for Wisconsin. I
wouldn't bet them, Even though those are great odds to
be able to get, you're not going to see Wisconsin
with odds that often.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I wouldn't touch them.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
And in Denver, there's no value to them at all
when you're really looking at minus three thirty, this is
when I'd probably say way, if I did, I'd probably
if I went with this game, i'd probably go with you.
I know that Denver can score and has scored in
every game this year, but I think that Wisconsin their
issue is finding goals. And I think that they can
find some defense, but whether they can find goals is
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the issue. I think this will be a game that
I think it's going to be hard to get it
over five. So six and a half, that's enough margin
for me to really light the under in this game.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, what you're looking for in six and a half
is that Wisconsin finds one or two goals and you
wind up in a six to one, five to two situation.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
And that's risky.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
And any time you're expecting a team to score six to
seven goals five goals in a game, that's risky because
the first period.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Even though Denver has scored a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
In the first I think they scored the first period
of every game they played in and Wisconsin largely has
given up.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Goals in that first period, you need to space.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
You're not going to get six goals in a period
like That's just not something that mathematically.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Makes much sense and the probabilities.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
So what you're hoping for six and a half is
that Denver comes out early, puts Wisconsin down, and then
buries them in the second third period. That's asking a
lot from a team that has a coach who knows how.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
To shut down high powered offenses.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Now looking for goals out of Wisconsin does not make
their odds particularly appealing. The one thing I would say
is off of last week and off of even the
weekend with Augustana, Wisconsin has either been good at the
front end of the game and bad at the rear
of the game or bad at the front of the game,
and then staged comeback. So even with Ohio State, they
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had a lead and lost it and then the next
night came out, fell behind and tried to make comeback.
There is an element that they can be pretty good
if they can, like like Casey said, put it together,
tear it down, rebuild it. The problem is that you're
doing that in an arena against the team that is flying.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I don't love the over, I.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Like the under here, and I just don't think any
of the odds make it remotely close to appealing. Even
a popline bet doesn't even sound appealing in this, So
I don't think that's going to be a smart bet
because you're not going to get the odds for a
team to go out and clear a goal and a
half or two and a half goals.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It's just it's not going to play out, by the way.
It's these two teams.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
They don't play like they once did when they were
in the same conference, so you don't see it as frequent.
But it has been quite some time since Wisconsin has
beat Denver. It was actually December first of twenty twelve,
the last time Wisconsin earned a win between these two teams.
That's and that's the span of seven games, so they
are zero five and one the last six times Wisconsin
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and Denver have faced off. So it has not been
easy sledding here for for Wisconsin and heading down to
Denver as they're facing the.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Number one team in the country. I don't think this
is going to be an easy weekend either.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
And the fact that it is in Denver, like the
that's another piece of the puzzle here. Maybe if this
is in Madison, there's an equalizer in there, which is
Denver to get on the plane, come down a sea level,
play down, play down in the lower altitude at an
arena that in a city that is pretty good, like
it's a great place to go and watch a hockey game.
I think if that building gets packed, it becomes a
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becomes really good. All mis advantage for Wisconsin going the
other direction and going out to Denver one.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I'd say it every single time.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
You're going into the altitude, which makes it harder, but
you're going into a tough arena.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
To play a very good opponent.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
All of those odds just don't line up when you're
trying to find some groove, like maybe if Wisconsin had
a bye week it would help. But it's just really
bad timing and really bad circumstances. Now that we said
that though Wisconsin's gonna win, this scared.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
If you're Wisconsin and you get a really good performance
in net and can keep Denver down to a couple
of goals and even just get a split out of
this weekend, that could be the sort of weekend that
turns your whole season.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
And I think that has When you go back to
the comments that Mike Casings made about having to break
things down and rebuild it up, you're looking that would
be something that would be fantastic to build from some
sort of some sort of a road triumph here against
the number one team of the country.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Even if you lose, win the first night, lose the
second night. You never loved jumping.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Back on a plane with that feeling in your stomach,
but you'd still sit there and say that was a
successful weekend. Now, getting throttled is something you almost have
to protect against a couple of two to one losses.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Like you just had against Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Maybe it doesn't feel as bad, but still something has,
something good has to happen for Wisconsin on this trip
to start that, as the AC called it, that rebuilding
from the ground up.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
And there is one last thing I would say just
to watch, and that is the performance in net by
whomever's playing for Wiscon and Mike Hastings is constantly when
he was at Minnesota State with DRYD McCay, even last
year at Wisconsin, has constantly been able to produce strong
goaltender performances playing in front of a defense.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Right now, this is a team with.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Graham played in his little bit played well last year,
but they had Kyle McClelland, who was under two goals game.
Those numbers have jumped on William Graham and on Tommy
Scarfoni from who's an RIT transfer who was a really
good goalie at RIT. Since those numbers have jumped, that
indicates that something has gone wrong in these first couple
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of weeks. So watch how they played this weekend to
see what happens with their numbers. That'll be an indication
of that of what they're doing here with that rebuild
and re education.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
And with that we'll wrap it up for this week's
edition of USC cho Edge for Jim Connelly for Dan Rubin,
I'm Ntref's girl will catch you next week.
Ussecho dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome to us Echo Edge for Friday, October twenty fifth,
twenty twenty four. I'm ed trefs girl alongside top notch
prognosticators Jim Connolly and Dan Rubin. I guess you guys
are top notch. I hope so, because I've got a
question something. We had a lot of games listed the
first two weekends, but for Friday DraftKings where we get
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the odds, only has five games on there. And it
got me wondering why that might be. And I looked
at the schedule in there. They've pretty much covered most
of the top games, like the big league games in
Hockey East and matchups with ranked teams. But normally we've
been seeing about a dozen games. Why are some reasons
why we might only see five this week?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Well, I think the last games you're putting lines up
for the more, you're probably mitigating your risk. If you're
the bookmakers and you don't know at this point in
the season, maybe they've been getting killed, maybe they're getting
hammered in. There's certain teams that are trying to avoid
This is all pure speculation. I don't have any through
answer in there. There are some games and we only
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do Friday because the Friday odds are what's up when
we have a chance to record this podcast. But like
the Boston College Western Michigan game, that's a single game
on the weekend, that's a Saturday, So we're not going
to have that odds. I think that's one that they
probably would have put up if they had the opportunity,
And it'll probably be up there on Saturday morning if
you go back and check. Unless you, for us live
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in Massachusetts like Dan and I do, then we don't
see that one. Then we have to depend on Ed
to look it up for us. But I so again
it's pure speculation. I think that it's just maybe just
the schedule is what it really comes down through is
you just don't have roadbust schedule with a ton of games,
and these books probably just looking to mitigate some of
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their liability when all of a said and done.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, and when you look at the some of the
Friday games that are not on your app once you
get past the ones that you're not going to be
able to bet on, like Jimmy said, like we we're
not going to see Yukon and U mass in Massachusetts anyway.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Just because that's of state laws.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
But when you start looking at some of the matchups
that are out there, there isn't a whole lot of
action for the books make anything on, not unless you're
putting odds down that are insane, or you're not going
to get much action anyway. So when you look at
some of these teams, and this isn't a knock against
some teams in college hockey, this is a knock maybe
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against the interest that they draw in betting. You're not
going to see betting odds on a Bentley Army just
because those types of games are not going to draw
much interest anyway, and so they're not going to post
them because they're also going to be The odds that
they would have to host would be so out of
whack in some cases that they don't want to put
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those in there.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
So there's a whole bunch of factors.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That when they run the algorithms and they come back,
there's gonna be in just everything under the sun that
makes them say we're not posting this for the handful
of bets we might get on it where we don't
stand to make anything, and the odds would have to
be so far apart that betters are not going to
make anything unless they.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
What are you gonna get?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You're gonna bet on a minus seven hundred somewhere along
the line.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
That's just not something that they're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, here's a good example as I look at Friday night,
there's a game that probably requires a lot of people
to pay attention, especially if you're fans of either schools,
and that's OURPI Union. It's a rivalry game, it's the
blackout game for OURPI, a big game for them at home.
But outside of that little market, does anybody really care?
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And if they do, they're probably a sharp better and
they probably have some decent insight.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
As to which way that game will go.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
And thus books are just if you're putting that out there,
you're really only putting it out there for people that
are just going to give the books more liability, as
opposed to say a game that we will talk about
Boston University of North Dakota. There are a lot of
passionate North Dkota fans that if they get the opportunity
to lay a wager on their team legally somewhere, they're
going to do it, and that those might be a
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lot of Homer fans. So if North Dakota falls something
that is just as liable as them winning, then the
book stands to make money.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I think that you just said.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I think they've really at this point in the season
they're looking to find matchups that are appealing enough that
both teams will see equal actions.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
So the liability of the book is not that great.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, you're not going to look at ANLU Notre Dame
and what the odds would spit back If you're a
Notre dame better, you're not making anything.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
So there's it's just not something you're good.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
The odds you get, you're just not going to make
any money, and the odds that you would get on
LU if you bet if you win, the books don't
want to lose the money that they're going to lose
on that. That would be insanity and it would cost them.
That's not like I said, that's not a KNOCKLU could
easily go out and win that game, but they're going
to do it with a lot of long odds on.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Them, and the only money is going on LU. That's
the big issue.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
One thing you can look at it and we'll talk
about this in a future episode. I'm sure, probably two
or three times this season is the futures on an
NCAA Championship. Now, I can't see the whole list right
now because I'm not logged into a VPN through Phoenix
or Missouri or wherever I've been doing it. But if
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you feel like you could throw down one hundred bucks
with the opportunity to win fifty thousand dollars if Brown
or Robert Morris end up winning the National Championship, you
can do that also. But those are interesting to look at,
and we'll do that in a future episode. It gives
you an idea what they think the chances are of
a team winning the national Championship. And where I am
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in New York State, where I can't see anything any
of the eleven New York teams, I see Boston College
plus four fifty, Denver plus eight hundred, Minnesota plus eight
hundred in Michigan plus eleven hundred, followed not too far
behind by BU Michigan State, North Dakota, and Maine as
favorites to win the National Championship.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
If you want to play.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Around with that, and maybe that's your long term thing,
you got a rent or a team, you're really a
fan of or just a hunch and don't mind tying
up the money for the next five or six months.
That's something they have a little fun with too. With that,
let's jump into what we have for this week. We'll
start in our first segment here with two matchups in
Hockey East. We have Maine at Northeastern, and I saw
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from our colleague John Doyle in his Hockey East column
this week that Maine has not won a game at
Matthew's Arena since twenty twelve and they're running out of
time to do it, since that arena is either going
to be torn down or hopefully not fall down, but
its days are coming to an end anyway. In that game,
the money line is Maine minus one sixty six Northeastern
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plus one thirty with the over under of five and
a half.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You just gave good enough data right there that placing
a bet on Northeastern a plus one thirty is probably
a good bet to make. They seem to just be
into the heads of Maine hell a little bit over
the last decade plus Bot. This is a much better
main team than we've seen for the last twelve years,
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and they're coming off a really emotional high powered weekend
where they upset beat I'm not going to say upset,
but they beat Quinnipiac twice at home Saturday nights game
coming in overtime at Dramatics six ' five come from
behind victory after they had a four leading that game,
fell behind and then tied it late and won in overtime.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
But those are the types of weekends.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
That when you come out of them, the emotion is
so high it's you can ride that emotion for quite
some time, or and we've seen it, teams get a
big drop off. You slipped because you don't have that
same emotion. Playing Northeastern this weekend might not feel as
emotional of a game as the two against Quinnipiac or
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last weekend. So I'm interested to see where Maine comes out.
But just on the fact that Northeastern hasn't lost to
Maine at home since twenty twelve, out of the loan
to me is enough to throw a little pizza money
on the on the plus one thirty line. Even if
I do think that Maine should be a heavier favorite
in this game.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
One of the things in this one that stuck out
to me is that we're still not really sure what
Northeastern is bringing this year. The two teams that they've
played in their three games were a five to one
win over stone Hill, which it is an improved team,
but it's still not on par with a Hockey East team,
And in two games out at Denver, who are the
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defending national champions, you lose each of those games five
to two, and Denver's number one in the country.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
They're just they're better.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So this is a good litmus test for Northeastern, the
fact that it is at home, the fact that I
think there is something too when a team comes into Matthews.
For what it's worth, the crowd there can be pretty hostile,
and the crowd there can be hostile from the upper deck,
which for the construction of the building, even though it's
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apparently sinking into Boston Harbor, even though it's not located
near the water, it's one of those places that is
just very hard to come into because of the construction
of the building. It's hard to play in front of
those fans. I like Northeastern's odds. I think if you
like Maine, this would be a game where you could
conceivably look at a puck line where it's one and
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a half when they're in underdog on the one and
a half.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I don't love puck line bets.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
We don't really talk about them, but if you think
Maine is going to come in and win, you can
get longer odds on them to win by multiple goals.
That said, I like where Northeastern is coming from on
it over under a five and a half two. I
think if it's going to go under, it's probably better
for Maine. If it's going to go over, it's going
to be better for Northeastern.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
We've got one more involving an Eastern team, and it's
being played at a scary place for anybody to come
and play at North Dakota Boston University at the Fighting Hawks.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
What a line on this one.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
And if I told you right now that this was
going to be one of the semi final games in
Saint Louis come April, probably believe me.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I would think I think I would. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
The odds of this being two teams that face whether
it's a quarterfinal, semifinal, or final, the odds of them
facing in the national tournament this year are probably pretty good.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So the line on this one, they're both minus one
fifteen so basically a toss up a pick them the
house takes. They're fifteen percent and they look for some
scoring in this one too. Over under six and a half.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I think that both of those numbers are perfectly laid.
The pick them is this is absolutely a pick them.
Would I stick with North Dakota probably because they're the
home team?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Likely.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I did CBU last week against Yukon, and they can
definitely get up the ice, they can score, They have
plenty of threats out there, and the Coles Hudson and
Isiserman are stand out players. But this is North Dakota,
and North Dakota has done a nice job when they've
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had to this year. They've already taken on a hockey's
team Providence in the Hall of Fame game and handled them.
So I don't mind either side of this bet. I
wouldn't touch the over under because I feel like this
is going to be a game. It's probably four to
two or four ready, so you're sitting right around that
six and a half, So I wouldn't touch that.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
But I could make it.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
A case to take BU, or I could make a
case to take North Dakota. So this is one I
think you just have to go with your gut and stick. Yeah,
I agree. I think this is well placed. On every
I think everything about this is well placed. I love
the fact that the pot line is almost insane. Was it?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
North Dakota's got plus two ten to be a one
and a half goal favorite, So even this one, this
is how tight. This is where you have even money
basically even odds on not even money, but even odds
on the on the money line.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
And then when you look at.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
The pock line, nobody's going to lose this game by
by more than one goal, at least according to where
the computers are coming in. One thing about BU that
I found interesting or anecdotal was just the in those
first three games, how well they put a team away.
They did a good job of putting away Holy Cross,
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they did a good job of putting away Union, and
Yukon was a little pesky in that game where they
took a one nothing to lead to you ucunt in
the first period, but then to come from behind and
then putting them away in the third period. So for me,
watching Bu hit that gas pedal, for me is something
that anchors them going into a game against the North Dakota,
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who has to play with a loss, having lost to
one of those two games at Minnesota State, So I
give b a little bit of an edge here. But
it's also the first time that bus going on the road,
and that made negate the edge because look, you may
you can be the number one team in the country
and going into the route is completely different than anywhere
else in college hockey.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Well that we're going to take a pause.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
There are three non conference games in the western part
of the country to look at. When usccho edge continues.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
We're back with you as cho edge.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Augustana, which just missed the top twenty in our poll
this week, is at number twelve sink Cloud State the Vikings,
coming off a terrific sweep in Omaha. Augustana is plus
two fifty home standing sink Cloud State minus three forty five.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
The over unders five point five.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
This is probably the most intriguing of the five matchups
that we're going to cover here, more so even than
be to a North Dakota.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I know that might be.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
The premier game, but I just look at Augustana. Everybody
wants to know really how good is this team and
the wins that they've been putting together would say that, yeah, hey,
we're here, We're going to be a good team, so
stink Cloud State. They have to be aware, and I'm
sure they are, and I'm sure they've been here here
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all weekend. Can't take these guys lightly, can't take these
guys lightly.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
But now the is still.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Have a bunch of eight nineteen twenty twenty one year
old players that now have to heed that advice and
go out there and not take this team too lightly
because if they do, they will get they'll get beat.
And I don't mind taking Augustana here with a big price.
That's why you get into gambling, is to have two
fifty dog on the money line plus two fifty.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I'd be taking that bet all day. Oh yeah, this
is for me.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
This is borderline a pizza money bet in a good way.
But you see those odds and for me, look, I've
been following what Augustander has been doing in general, just
as a market, as a team, South Dakota, as a
hockey spot. It's turned into one of those places where
you raised at eyebrown.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
You're like, could it be really that good? Could it
be what we want it to be?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
In Siwo Falls, And then you see them on the
ice and you see the building and you see everything
that they've done and you're like, like, like it could
be now. Whether or not they get to that point,
how quickly they get to that point requires them to
come out in games like this and perform well. One
thing I will say is that Garrett Raboyne is a
good hockey coach, came from Minnesota, assistant at Saint Cloud.
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He knows the ins and outs of what these programs
can do, what the coaching staffs can do.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
He's going to have that team ready to go.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
So from an odd standpoint, if you're if you're a
bettman or a betan woman, go for it.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
This is the one.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
This is the one where you look at a team
and you go this is the pizza money bet because
you're not going to find a team more capable of
winning with longer odds this year. Because let's be honest,
Augustana is not going to rock the boat on the
computers the way Saint Cloud would given reputation, history, all
that stuff. This is a way to get out in
front of the computer and break the computer.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And by the way, you mentioned Garrett born In, former
Saint Cloud assistant, also a grad I'm sure he'd be
very motivated to bring his team into Saint Cloud this weekend.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
As a coach told me recently, Yeah, it's always fun
to see the folks from the alma mater and shake
hands with them and exchange pleasantries.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
But then you want to hang the w oh do
you ever? There's it's not a nasty revenge.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Usually it's just you want to you don't want to
lose to the team that from where you come.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
You know, That's it's just that's human nature right there.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Omaha is at Minnesota State, the Mavericks probably licking. So
we've got Mavericks on both ends, don't we better be
more specific? Also, probably all the wounds after getting swept
by Augustan and last weekend, but this one another pick
them both teams minus one fifteen over under his five
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point five.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, I think that there has to be a level
of hunger for both of these teams. You're trying to
find ways to make sure that you don't start getting
on any early season runs in the wrong direction. And
especially for Omaha, I don't think that they expect to
come out of that weekend series with august Standad without
a win, without anything to show forward. I think that's
something that certainly sticks in the back of their mind,
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at least for Minnesota State.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
They split last weekend series.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But all they've done is split, and they're getting a
point that they're probably saying, Okay, when are we going
to win two on the same weekend.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
This might not be the easiest test to do.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It with a very hungry Nebraska Omaha team the Battle
of the Mavericks, which Maverick will come out.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I think, and I mentioned this when talking about Augustana,
but I think there was an issue that kind of
came up during the second game of Omaha's sweep loss,
which was that they gave up to it.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
They got beat. It wasn't a come from behind.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
They got beat four nothing, and they didn't have They
didn't give up a whole lot of shots. Simon Laozi
only had to make seventeen. They only made seventeen saves
in a four nothing lost. So to me, that indicates
that's not an indictment of a bowalie. That's an indictment
of defense giving up too many great A opportunities and
giving up too many good looks that the goalie was
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going to get beat on maybe one of those is
a goal that he's ordinarily a shot he's ordinarily going
to save after things start spiraling a bit. It happens
to goalies every year, every every week, there's one goalie
who gives up a goal that he problem he saves
every other time the shot comes in having not watched
the game and not having looked at it, I can't
really tell, but to me, any time you have lowered
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and saved numbers and too many goals, that's an indictment
of a defense. And I'm not saying that they can't
fix that. I'm not saying they're a bad team, nothing
of that sort. But they're facing a team that on
the opposite side popped up a loss in the first
game to North Dakota and then came back and shut
out North Dakota. So Minnesota State is if you're looking for,
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like you said, going getting out a run and you
don't want to go in the wrong direction with the run.
Minnesota State and Omaha both had to deal with tough
losses on Friday and responded very differently on Saturday. So
how they respond this week is going to tell you
whether or not they're coming back together, coming closer to
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the median, or if Omaha has some things they need
to fix at Minnesota State's starting to get on that
good run, So I probably if I'm picking this one
ride Minnesota State just don't know what happened last Saturday.
But by the same token, you have to watch that
first period and see what's going on with Omaha, and
maybe there is a chance that the odds shift a
bit in game. And that's something we don't usually talk
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about doing, is give it a few minutes and maybe
see what happens to the odds if you really don't
want to do this on the pickup.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Last game on our list is Wisconsin at Denver. The
Badgers are plus two forty. Denver is minus three point thirty.
The over under, despite Wisconsin's inability to score thus for
the season is six and a half. You got to
think about what's in the minds of Wisconsin the split
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in taking overtime to get the split two weeks ago
with linden Wood and then getting swept by Ohio State,
and earlier this week Mike Hastings saying they got to
tear down and rebuild the offense there at Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
This is an interesting one.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But man, what a difficult assignment for Wisconsin to head
out to Magnus Arena.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Kind of almost bad timing because when you're not feeling right,
the last thing you want to do is go play
the defending national champion that comes in four and oh
and has basically handled every opponent this season. I don't
think that this is a great place for Wisconsin. I
wouldn't bet them, Even though those are great odds to
be able to get, you're not going to see Wisconsin
with odds that often.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I wouldn't touch them.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
And in Denver, there's no value to them at all
when you're really looking at minus three thirty, this is
when I'd probably say way, if I did, I'd probably
if I went with this game, i'd probably go with you.
I know that Denver can score and has scored in
every game this year, but I think that Wisconsin their
issue is finding goals. And I think that they can
find some defense, but whether they can find goals is
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the issue. I think this will be a game that
I think it's going to be hard to get it
over five. So six and a half, that's enough margin
for me to really light the under in this game.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, what you're looking for in six and a half
is that Wisconsin finds one or two goals and you
wind up in a six to one, five to two situation.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
And that's risky.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
And any time you're expecting a team to score six to
seven goals five goals in a game, that's risky because
the first period.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Even though Denver has scored a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
In the first I think they scored the first period
of every game they played in and Wisconsin largely has
given up.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Goals in that first period, you need to space.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
You're not going to get six goals in a period
like That's just not something that mathematically.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Makes much sense and the probabilities.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
So what you're hoping for six and a half is
that Denver comes out early, puts Wisconsin down, and then
buries them in the second third period. That's asking a
lot from a team that has a coach who knows how.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
To shut down high powered offenses.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Now looking for goals out of Wisconsin does not make
their odds particularly appealing. The one thing I would say
is off of last week and off of even the
weekend with Augustana, Wisconsin has either been good at the
front end of the game and bad at the rear
of the game or bad at the front of the game,
and then staged comeback. So even with Ohio State, they
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had a lead and lost it and then the next
night came out, fell behind and tried to make comeback.
There is an element that they can be pretty good
if they can, like like Casey said, put it together,
tear it down, rebuild it. The problem is that you're
doing that in an arena against the team that is flying.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I don't love the over, I.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Like the under here, and I just don't think any
of the odds make it remotely close to appealing. Even
a popline bet doesn't even sound appealing in this, So
I don't think that's going to be a smart bet
because you're not going to get the odds for a
team to go out and clear a goal and a
half or two and a half goals.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It's just it's not going to play out, by the way.
It's these two teams.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
They don't play like they once did when they were
in the same conference, so you don't see it as frequent.
But it has been quite some time since Wisconsin has
beat Denver. It was actually December first of twenty twelve,
the last time Wisconsin earned a win between these two teams.
That's and that's the span of seven games, so they
are zero five and one the last six times Wisconsin
(24:39):
and Denver have faced off. So it has not been
easy sledding here for for Wisconsin and heading down to
Denver as they're facing the.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Number one team in the country. I don't think this
is going to be an easy weekend either.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
And the fact that it is in Denver, like the
that's another piece of the puzzle here. Maybe if this
is in Madison, there's an equalizer in there, which is
Denver to get on the plane, come down a sea level,
play down, play down in the lower altitude at an
arena that in a city that is pretty good, like
it's a great place to go and watch a hockey game.
I think if that building gets packed, it becomes a
(25:12):
becomes really good. All mis advantage for Wisconsin going the
other direction and going out to Denver one.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I'd say it every single time.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
You're going into the altitude, which makes it harder, but
you're going into a tough arena.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
To play a very good opponent.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
All of those odds just don't line up when you're
trying to find some groove, like maybe if Wisconsin had
a bye week it would help. But it's just really
bad timing and really bad circumstances. Now that we said
that though Wisconsin's gonna win, this scared.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
If you're Wisconsin and you get a really good performance
in net and can keep Denver down to a couple
of goals and even just get a split out of
this weekend, that could be the sort of weekend that
turns your whole season.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
And I think that has When you go back to
the comments that Mike Casings made about having to break
things down and rebuild it up, you're looking that would
be something that would be fantastic to build from some
sort of some sort of a road triumph here against
the number one team of the country.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Even if you lose, win the first night, lose the
second night. You never loved jumping.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Back on a plane with that feeling in your stomach,
but you'd still sit there and say that was a
successful weekend. Now, getting throttled is something you almost have
to protect against a couple of two to one losses.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Like you just had against Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Maybe it doesn't feel as bad, but still something has,
something good has to happen for Wisconsin on this trip
to start that, as the AC called it, that rebuilding
from the ground up.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
And there is one last thing I would say just
to watch, and that is the performance in net by
whomever's playing for Wiscon and Mike Hastings is constantly when
he was at Minnesota State with DRYD McCay, even last
year at Wisconsin, has constantly been able to produce strong
goaltender performances playing in front of a defense.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Right now, this is a team with.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Graham played in his little bit played well last year,
but they had Kyle McClelland, who was under two goals game.
Those numbers have jumped on William Graham and on Tommy
Scarfoni from who's an RIT transfer who was a really
good goalie at RIT. Since those numbers have jumped, that
indicates that something has gone wrong in these first couple
(27:39):
of weeks. So watch how they played this weekend to
see what happens with their numbers. That'll be an indication
of that of what they're doing here with that rebuild
and re education.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
And with that we'll wrap it up for this week's
edition of USC cho Edge for Jim Connelly for Dan Rubin,
I'm Ntref's girl will catch you next week.
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