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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Uscho dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome to a pon further Review from us Cho. I'm
Ed Trevsker alongside Jim Connolly and Derek Schooley.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
What is this?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
This is our new midweek podcast where we'll pick a
topic and bat it around a little bit, maybe with
a little bit more detail than we can do on
our Monday weekend review podcast. And for our inaugural episode,
we're going to talk about the CHL Major Junior About
a year ago this time it was announced that they
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would have eligibility in the NCAA, and so we're going
to talk about where's that impact ben be felt. Is
it going to be felt with these high profile players
like Gavin McKenna or writer Ritchie or are we talking
more youth sports players transferring over older form CHL players
that would have aged out and had nowhere to go?
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Where's the impact going to be felt? And Derek, you've
been recruiting players that have played in the CHL and
you've got some players that have been rostered. You're seeing
what other teams are doing. What's your perspective on how
this is going to affect things right off the bat?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Well, well, we've got three of them.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
It's It's a weird world because you know, we played
at Canadian School this past weekend, and you know that
used to be filled with former CHL players that couldn't
go to Division one NCL boys school, So now a
lot of them are coming here. At first, you thought
it was just going to be the players that aged out.
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You thought it was going to be the twenty year
olds that couldn't play juniors anymore. Then we started the
college started taking some of the younger guys, the bigger names,
and now there's a little bit of an mossy between
the two. How's it going to play out? There's still
a lot of questions. We've had coaches removed from CHL buildings,
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they've been escorted out by police. We've had our NCAA
passes revoked. Now certain teams have considered continued to invite
us there and have want to have great working relationships.
It's a bizarre world we're living in right now. We've
got players playing college hockey that played one hundred and
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fifty plus CHL games, and we've got guys playing college
hockey that played sixty Pro East Coast League games. So
I think where this all comes is it becomes a
new dynamic hockey league and what you used to think
of it as you've got to wrap your head around.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
It's something new, it's something different.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Just like you had to wrap around the transfer portal
left people were going to leave that. Sometimes you could
see a guy at three different schools. This is the
new era of hockey. The pool is so much bigger,
it's so much much wider, and it's going to make
for a better product because there's going to be better
players in it and there's going to be players that
you have thought would go play in these FLAC league
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now they're going to play college because they want to
see if they can have a good college career and
go to the American League.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So there's there. This is This is a good thing
for the hockey brand.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's a bad thing for the two thousand and five
birth years out there. It's a bad thing for some
of the Tier two leagues, but overall it's going to
make college hockey better. There's still going to be players
that are two thousand and five birth years from a
Tier two league get recruited.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
It's still going to happen.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
But the leagues that you're going to watch now are
the CHL, the us HL, the BC League. Then you
got the North America League, you got the Alberta League,
you got the the OJ you.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Got so there's there's still you got. There's gonna be
good players out there.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It's just pool is so big, it's like the ocean now,
and it's a good thing for our game.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I think the thing that kind of strikes me right
away is that I look up and down rosters and
I don't see a CHL a former CHL player.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
In every roster.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
There is definitely coaching staffs out there that aren't going
aggressively or even really recruiting in the CHL, and I'm
wondering where the competitive advantage slash disadvantage will lie. Do
you need to really, as a coaching staff start changing
your entire recruiting philosophy. Part of me says yes, when
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there's such a massive shift. You haven't had this size
of a player pool open up in ever in.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
The history of recruiting.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
So if you're not in the CHL right now recruiting,
I feel like you might be taking a competitive step back.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
I'm not positive.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
The other thing I really want to see is how
these players adjust in college and I'm not talking on
the ice. I'm talking much more in the college lifestyle.
If you haven't been pursuing a lot of education in
recent years and now you're in a position that you
have to not only pursue an education, but do so
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in a manner that keeps you eligible by getting qualifying grades.
Will that have any impact on some of these players
coming in. That's I'm not saying that I have an
opinion either way. It's just a question that continuously goes
through my head.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
That's a question for now.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
But what I think you're going to see is the
CHL is going to get younger, and they're going to
now be more focused on school.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's going to change.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So you're going to see these waivers because they don't
have as many core courses. You're going to see acting
kids that can't get through the NCAA Eligibility Center nowadays,
you will be able to see moving forward because now
school will be a legitimate option form afterwards. I think
that's the one thing that you'll see is now they
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know it's an option, they're going to have to keep
going to school. They're going to have to know that
we just didn't give up that goal of playing here,
and I think that that's the biggest thing, one of
the other things.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
And I love this.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I told Tom Sarritory this, or I talked to him
on Sunday. I love the fact that on their line
chart it says Orlando ECHL. I mean, when would you
have thought that like previous team Orlando ECHL and they
did everything by the rules. It's a actual unnecessary expense.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
It's happens at all of their sports.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
It's happening in basketball, and there's a whole bunch of
guys and all different leagues are playing. But Beniji just
got the worst of it because it got blown up
out of proportion. There was five others before that that
were already.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Going to go to Division one that people just hadn't
heard of.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And it's the rules. It's the way it is now.
It's the rules that the NC double is set up.
Nobody's doing anything wrong, and that's you have to wrap
your head around. Utube talked about people not in the CHL.
You have to wrap your head around it.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
We are.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It's a different animal now and if you don't, you're
probably going to be left behind. Unless you're getting all
the national development kids. Then you're okay.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
There were some notable players from week one. We talked
in our Monday podcast a bit about Gavin McKenna and
his goal and two assists on the weekend. Wright Richie
at Bu two assists on a four two win over
l IU on Saturday. Austin Elliott seventeen save shutout in
his first game for UMass Lowell when they beat big
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rival Merrimack for nothing. Certainly some impact players there. We'll
probably hear about more impact players. Any others that jump
out at you.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Doucla McDonell on Niagara, who played sixteen games in the
American Hockey League, had two goals this weekend. I mean
they're coming off the board all over the place. I
think you're going to see more moving forward, because a
lot was a lot were exhibition game. Owlin Green had
at least ten former major junior players when we played
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them in our exhibition game. I think you're gonna see
a lot more coming to different places in here.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Go where'd that guy come from?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And then you're looking he played in the Western Hockey Leaguer,
he played in the Quebec League. I mean there's a
they're going to be out there and you're going to
have to take notice.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And it's just because they weren't able to go before.
They're here now. Well.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And it's an interesting point too, because we talked a
bit about these big impact players, and maybe there are
a couple of dozen really huge impact players out there,
but that means three hundred other guys who have found
spots on rosters. They've displaced some players from Tier two leagues.
And they also come in with a lot of game experience.
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OHLWHL sixty eight game seasons, sixty four games in the
Quebec League. This is almost like pro schedule. They they're
coming in with some real talent.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Absolutely, that's one of it.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Plus the physical maturity I think, you know, and the
fact that they've gone through long schedules. And Derek, you'll
probably see this in the players that you've brought in.
I'm interested to see how the players like the adjustment
to a shorter schedule. Do they like more practice time?
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Do they like more time in the weight room. That's
always an advantage we've heard, you know, touted in years
past for college. Oh, if you go, if you take
the college right, you'll develop better. You don't have to
spend as much time playing games. It's more about getting
better and developing. I think that that has always been
a good talking point for college hockey. Now with these
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players that have experienced a very different lifestyle for in
years past, how will they react when they're now only
playing at thirty four regular thirty four game regular season schedule.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Will that be something that they can appreciate?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Well, I mean, you won another player.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Malcolm Spence two thousand and sixth birth year, had two
more years at junior hockey left. He had played sixty
four games, sixty six and sixty five games already each
year for Eerie. He had two goal, three assists and
for five points in two games this past week. There's
another high impact. He was a high pick in the
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AHL Draft I believe. Yeah, he was a second rounder
by the Rangers. There's another one for you. But what
you're talking about, Jimmy and I had this conversation with
one of my guys is they are twenty years old
playing against sixteen, seventeen and eighteen year olds. Now they're
twenty years old playing against twenty three, twenty four, twenty two.
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They're now the young guys playing against the older guys.
So they're still going to be the same. You hear
about kids leaving the USHL or coming into college early
and then going back to the USL, or coming into
college from the BC leading going back to BC at Christmas.
That's going to happen this year too. And it's not
because of school or any of that stuff. It's because
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they just didn't play as much. It's there's gonna be
those players that still don't plan your lineup coming from
the CHL. So you they're planning against older, bigger, stronger
players and it could some of them could be a
long term process. And you said, get a weight room,
find out more about school. You got to really do
your homework when you're looking at these players to make
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sure one they did well in school before they can
handle it. They know what they're getting into. And that's
where I think it's going to get interesting.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Okay, yeah, sorry, There's one thing that I do want
to throw in here, and I hope that college hockey
as a body and this what boils down to six
individual conferences, I hold that this doesn't become a missed
opportunity to market the heck.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Out of what's going on.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Because I understand that there's a lot of tradition in
college hockey, and you build yourself on a different type
of player, a lot of homegrown American players. US national
team development programs are a good reason to talk and
understand why there's great things, But you can't not market
these players. College hockey has to be taking advantage. We
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saw it this weekend. I'm glad to see that Penn
State's two games at Arizona State, we're on NHL network.
They got real national exposure. Hopefully that continues. But I
don't I have this having been around the game long enough,
I have a cautious concern that some people, some of
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the more traditionalists in college hockey, won't want to market
this and won't want to seize this opportunity.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
This is too big of an opportunity to miss.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, that's why Penn State's plan outdoor game. This is
their chance. Gavin McKenna's lily there one year. Hey, we've
got to find a way that we've we've agreed to
this big deal supposedly that he's getting all this money, Well,
we've got to find a way to make the money
on it. And an outdoor game for Penn State is
going to be massive it's got to be pretty cool
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and that's where you're seeing it. Everybody's got to take
a matage of it, not just the ones with Gavin McKenna.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
The NCHC was marketing the heck out of it during
those broadcasts over the weekend. Let me leave us with
this thought. I saw a longtime reporter commenting, Wow, college
hockey is going to prove that they're the better route
to the NHL now as opposed to major junior And
what have we been hearing for decades? Oh, major junior
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is the better way to go. College Hockey Inc. Was
formed to make the case that the NCAA is the
better way to go, and now their case is being
made for them.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
See but I kind of disagree with you there a
little bit ed because there's still gonna be playing in
the OHL. They're still gonna be playing in the CHL.
It's now it's going to be a combined development. It's
gonna be Hey, we we took gift from from A
to Q and then NC double is taking you the
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rest of the way because it's you're in the weight
room war, you get all that. I still think it's
gonna be combined. It's just gonna be a different development.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Path, all right. With that, we'll wrap it up. This
has been the first edition of. Upon further review, look
for that Wednesdays from us EHL for Derek Schooley for
Jim Connolly. I'm Ed Trevsker and this has been a
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