April 11, 2025 • 18 mins
USCHO hosts Ed Trefzger, Jim Connelly and Robert Morris coach Derek Schooley are joined by St. Lawrence coach Brent Brekke during Practice Day at the 2025 Frozen Four. Included in the broadcast are discussion of current issues like NIL, portal and roster size as well as a feature on BU captain Shane Lachance and his well-known grandfather, Jack Parker.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Saint Louis, Missouri. It's Wednesday practice. Stay at the twenty
twenty five Frozen four here at the Enterprise Center. Tomorrow,
four teams will face off to see who gets to
move on to the championship on Saturday. I'm ed Trefsker
(00:21):
alongside Jim Connolly and the head coach of Robert Morris University,
Derek Schooley, and the head coach of Saint Lawrence University,
Brent Brecky to preview this weekend's games. And Jim, it's
a pretty exciting route to get here, and I'm looking
forward to seeing all four of these teams who are
playing their best hockey at the right time.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, you have to be right to get to this point,
you have to be playing really well. I think that
all four of these teams can say that. But can
we start with the city. It's been a while since
we've been here two thousand and seven. We remember Michigan
State the dramatic victory over Boston College in the national
title game. That was the last time we were here.
It feels the building looks different. I was even here
(01:02):
in twenty nineteenth for the Stanley Cup Finals. Seats are darker,
it just has a different feel. It feels a little
bit different schools. I know, this is your hometown. Does
it have a little bit of a different feeling or
is it just me?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So this is the building that was built in the
nineteen nineties. Yeah, and I was also there for the
Stanley Cup playoffs and they've redone everything. The seats are
a different color. When they built the building, Mike Keenan
was in charge.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
He wanted for.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Purple seats, just like Madison Square Garden and that's where
that went.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And it's dark, it's silver.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I think the building looks awesome obviously, anytime red with
the baseball stadium and the arch and all that good
cool stuff, it really is going to make this an
exciting championship grant.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
When you look, you've seen some great events in college
hockey over your coaching career, coach on benches in national
championship games. What is it like as the coach to
come into a city. Are you just kind of taking
a whole experience.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah, it's terrific.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I mean the the cities that host the venues are
just tremendous. I mean everybody is really invested in it,
and I think the comfort level as they're going around
the cities. To get to know the different things away
from the hockey itself. To enjoy the whole experience is
a big piece of it. There's so many different cities
have a lot of appeal. You know, you get outside
the rink and the kids get some free time. You
want to keep them dialed in as much as possible,
(02:24):
but you know, you want to enjoy that experience and
see what the cities have to offer. And obviously Saint
Louis has so much in this area, you know, and
the building is terrific. It's actually my first time being
in here. I've seen it on TV many times obviously,
but it looks like a newer facility with the upgrades
they have in here. So the city has a whole
great venue to have it at, and just the buildings
just gorgeous as well.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And the Blues are really behind them. That's the big thing,
the Blues. You cannot talk about this event being held
here without talking about what.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
The Blues have done to get this event here.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
They've been to Frozen four, after Frozen four, after Frozen four.
The committee did a great job picking this location. I
had crazy that I'm from this area, and they got it,
but really good. You can't talk about this venue and
this city without.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Talking about what a great job the Blues have done.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Well, let's talk a little bit about the teams that
are going to be playing. It's a rematch of the
NCHC Championship between Western Michigan and Denver. A lot of
drama coming into that, a lot of hard work to
get here, a lot of overtimes in the regionals and
even in the league playoffs. Derek, let's start with you.
I know both of you guys have a little bias
(03:35):
in this as Western Michigan a luves, But what do
you look for as strengths from these two teams. Let's
start with you, Derek.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Well, in listening to the press Conferencesdy, you're talking about
the team that wants to knock off the defending champion,
and then you're talking about a team that has the
experience of being here and Matt Davis who hasn't barely
given up any goals the last two NCAA tournaments. So
I think the big storyline in mind is Western. They
can play any type of hockey game. They can play
(04:03):
both scoring game, they can play a high scoring game.
But I think it's going to be the offense against
how Matt Davis comes and plays tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Brent, Yeah, I think the matchup with Penn State and
BU is an interesting one because you have elite, elite
skill in BU. I mean, everybody's well aware of that,
and they can take a game over real quick. They
can be sleepy, which they've shown that, and then they
flip the switch and all of a sudden they turn
it on and it's a lot of offense. And that's
a scary piece because just when you think you've got
things in position to control of the game, it can
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be an issue. And Penn State plays fast, and we
played them earlier this year. We felt good early in
the game, we had a little bit of a lead,
and they can jump it quickly. They're their pace, They're
great two hundred foot team on both sides of the puck.
Their commitment, you know, on both sides's tremendous. Their puck
pressure without it, they create a lot of turnovers, and
they're just the hard working team. They're they're fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
A lot has been made at this Frozen four already
about the experience of two of the teams. Denver, the
most national championship Boston University of Blue Blood program, and
then two teams that have never been here, Western Michigan
and Penn State. We listened to Western Michigan pat first,
while Er talk talked about calling other coaches, leading on
(05:13):
some of his network. I know, you're at Penn State
or a school like that, you have plenty of coaches
that have been on the big stage. How much as
a coach do you have to lean on others at
a time like this when the experience is really unfamiliar.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
We actually were fortunate to talk to the assistants at
Penn State here just a.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Little while ago as they were into in the rank.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
For practice, and they talked about having some of their
coaches in the athletic department of some of the other
sports that have played in national championship games have been
a part of that to come and talk to their team.
They use those resources, and they said it was amazing
just the experience and the knowledge that could pass along
from being through some of those national championship games and
just kind of giving them a little bit of a
history of what they've done in the past to be successful,
(05:54):
to prepare.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And you talk about the guys who have been here.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, they're talking about how do you use the bye
week off, and how they're recovering, and how the different
things that they've had to do with experience, and David
Carl mentioned that they did something completely different this year than.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
They did in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
So you go through the whole thing and you've got
the new guys that are drawing on experience of other
coaching networks, and then you've got the veterans that have
been here. So that's an interesting storyline that you brought
up there.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
How much ReBs off from a coach on a team?
And the reason I asked is I watched the reactions
at the end of the regionals. David Carl maybe cracked
a slight smile, but it was very business like. You
could hardly contain Guy Gadowski who was hopping up and
down on the Penn State. But ben yaan headbutting the
night before.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, yeah, a little still had a little bit of
mark on his head from the Headbut Coup, I think
your team takes a personality of you, and I think
those are the things that you really have to make
sure that you do if you're if you're tight and
you're nervous, then your team's going to be tight and nervous.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
And I think what I've seen from all the teams
that through today they're all enjoying the experience. That's what
I think it's all about.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And we'll find out tomorrow at four o'clock when the
puck drops, who the right what the right model of
it was.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
When you now are sitting in a Thursday night scenario,
that's when everything starts. But here you are the day before,
you've practiced, you've gone through what's a team doing tonight?
Speaker 5 (07:20):
So I think there's just there's probably things they do
all year long that they want to keep in place,
and there's traditions that they have or some of the
things that they just feel like every Thursday, this group
of guys gets together and where they're watching a movie
or maybe they're playing some video games or whatever. So
you want to try to keep some of that familiarity
that you have. And so because I think when you
get caught up in the moment, you start doing things
you're not comfort with it that you haven't done the past,
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it comes into the mental aspect of the game. So
you just want familiarity of what you've done all year
to be successful.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Not the most important part of schools, just repetition.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I think the one thing that you've watched practices, they're
doing the same drills that they've done for the last
fifteen weeks.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
They don't change.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Thursday practice I watched b you look really laid back
and did a shootout.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Western Michigan was fast.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
They went boom boom boom through all their drills and
we're done in twenty minutes. Early, I think you're just
up to You're gonna do what you're gonna do. You
can't change at this point. You're not gonna all of
a sudden get better in a certain system. You may
make some tweaks for the opponent, but you're not gonna
if you have to fix something at this time, you're
probably not playing in this game.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Well, we're gonna take a break right here.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
When we come back.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You've heard about name image like this. You've heard plenty
about the transfer of portal. Now how about roster limitations.
That's the big topic, and David Carl has some thoughts
on it.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
When we come back.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
USC cho at the Prosen.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Four, I'm cold Kawfield and I played college hockey.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I'm Adam Fox and I played college hockey.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I'm Jay Densel and I played college hockey.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
I'm Johnny Goodrill and I played college hockey.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Whether you're a fan or a player, nothing compares.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
To Colla Hockey.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Welcome back to us CHL live at the Frozen four
on this Wednesday practice day, Jim. There were some press
conferences going on today, and it wasn't just about the
games going on on the ice. There was some discussion
about name, image and likeness, the transfer portal, and even
roster limits which now seem to be up.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
In the air.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, we know that David Carl has never been a
coach to hold back on the way he feels in
expressing his opinion. Take a listen to what he said.
Speaker 8 (09:46):
Yeah, I think every year is a little different. You know,
it's obviously depending on what players are in the portal,
if they're a fit, if they're not a fit, what
we anticipate losing. You know, we really don't know that
full picture until you know, middle of next week, probably
at the earliest, and so you try and put on
(10:08):
the back burner. Obviously, we you know, I'll tell you
we start getting calls in February on people, and so
you're constantly the phone's always on, trying to evaluate things. Uh,
there's obviously a lot of moving pieces right now between
the chl eligibility the transfer portal. You know, there's more
activity in the player market than there's ever been, and
(10:32):
you know, our staff does a great job, Tavis McMillan,
you know, leading that charge for us on the recruiting side,
and I think in a perfect world, we you know,
our view on the transfer portal is it's an opportunity
to try and enhance our roster. You know, we don't
we want to be in a position to want to
use it. We don't want to be in a position
where we need to use it. And that's a really
(10:54):
fragile balance that you're always trying to figure out. You know,
when players are leaving, when they're coming, is it the
right player? Do they have the right timeline so that
you're not stuck. You know, we brought in ten freshmen
a year ago. You know, if that number goes much higher,
it's it's hard probably not to go into the portal
and need to do it. So you're just I think
(11:15):
that's the biggest challenge today is trying to manage your classes,
your roster so that you're not having to go, because
then you're you start to be at the whim of
what's in the portal, and you know, sometimes it's good,
but sometimes it maybe is good, but not a fit
for They're not a fit for you or you're not
a fit for them, So it's really challenging. I think
(11:36):
the most important thing we can do is continue to
be plugged in, have a great recruiting list, continue to
bring in freshmen, develop the people we have, and if
there's an opportunity to enhance things like we did last
year with pole Camp and salmon in, then that's what
we look to do.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
All right, that's a lot to digest right there, he
said a lot in there. Give me a takeaway. I mean,
there's so much. Get it as a coach is so much.
But what were some of your takeaway schools?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I thought the best thing he said is just tell
us the rules and we'll follow them.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
That's really the key is. I think if the minute you.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Start trying to sit back and not follow the new
rules and think of how things where you get left behind,
you have to adjust to the how.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Things are nowadays, and the minute you start going.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Back and going, gosh, I wish things were five minutes
or five years ago, you're not going back. So you
have to learn what's going on. You've got to find
your niche. You got to find everything how you're going
to do it, and you've got to adjust and you
don't think outside the box a little bit. And that's
a little bit of what he said.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
He talked a.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Lot about how they do things and what they want
to do, But I think my key takeaway from it
is you've got to you've really got to find what
works for your team, and you just follow.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
The rules, follow what the rules will tell you to do.
Does that see what it is, Brent? Is you know,
just tell us where we're going.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I guess that is what coaches seen most of us
with right now, not knowing what's next.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Yeah, one hundred percent. That's been the discussion here is,
you know, leading up the last couple of years, has
this come to this point? And I think that's the
big thing is everybody just like got to the point
where like, let's just make some decisions here so we
can move forward and adapt the way that we need
to and David was you know, I thought really good
as far as talked about the one thing I thought
was real important.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Of sticking to who they are.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
It's not about going to find certain players that has
to be the right fit for their program. And that's
the same for every program out there. I think you
can kind of get led astray a little bit and
you start chasing things that gets away from what your
identity is a is a program and what you truly
believe in as a coach. And I think that was
something for me that resonated, allowed and clear. You know,
you have to be adaptive and stay ahead of what
the rules are and understand you know, what could come
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into place real quick. But at the end of the day,
you still have to be who we are and trying
to stay away from having those big classes he talked about.
You get into to ten or eleven guys that are
new faces coming in at that's a lot that's you know,
you get back to back years, you get two young
kids that are two young groups of kids coming in.
That experienced piece comes into play with a transfer portal
becomes an important aspect.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
But I mean, just think of everything that we've been through,
everything like in the last two years, fifty years, transfer portal,
major junior, roster limitations, name, image of likeness, revenue sharing.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
That's a lot for a small period.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Of time that we've had and it's crazy, and you've
got to be a first general manager was named in
College Hockey the other day.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I don't think it'll be the last.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And it's something we talked to now former head coach
about earlier in the season, that you have to be
building a team through draft picks and free agency. How
has that changed what you have to do and what
your assistants have to do.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Oh, you got so much that you're monitoring. You're monitoring
your current recruits. You're monitoring recruiting, you're monitoring major junior.
The pool just got really big and you hadn't watched
those kids forever. So now you've got to learn that pool.
You've got to monitor the transfer portal. You gotta be
talking to agents. I mean, this is a it's a
tough job for them. They've got to stay on the phone,
(15:01):
they've got to stay working. And then it comes to
the head coaches to start. I always say the assistants
have to go six to seven innings, and then the
head coach has got to come in the last three
and be the closer.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
But those six to seven innings feel like a long
time for some of those assistants. It is becoming a
tougher job for assistant coaches.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
No, it is.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
It is, you know, right now, let's just continue to
hit the space bar and refresh what that page is
gonna be. Your guys are popping into the portal, and
that's you sit there at your computer all day and
then you're pulling up video immediately if you don't have
a real good book on certain players that are coming
to the portal. So it is a challenging time and
it goes in a little bit of waves. When that
portal first hits, I mean, it gets bombarded. But then
there's some you know, some kids that are taking out
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of the portal and then making their decisions to go somewhere else. Well,
a lot of times that comes into play where that
spot has to be opened up at times, whether it's
you know, an incoming freshman that's being sent back or
it's another player that basically was on their roster that's
been reared out. So there's you know, continuous waves. I think,
you know, it goes for a little bit, and then
also a bunch more names pop been there because all
of a sudden, spots have been taken and now they're
(16:02):
back in the in the portals themselves. So it's an
interesting dynamic to work with.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Portal recruiting is recruiting on speed speed dating. That's what
it is.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Well, let's take another break here, we're gotta come back.
We will look at the story of Shane McCanns and
a pretty famous grandfather as we come back on usc
AH at the pros and Court.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
I'm Cold Kawfield and I played college hockey.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I'm Adam Fox and I played college hockey. I'm Jake
Densel and I played college hockey.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
I'm Johnny Gudreaux and I played college hockey.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
Whether you're a fan or a player, nothing compares to
college hockey.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Star Chance.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
It's a really good playing that's Boston University Captain Shane
the chance that this year is bean pot, but chances bloodlines.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Are well known.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
His father a former terrier, and his grandfather the legend
Jack Parker. He is very impressed by Shane's leadership capabilities.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
I think sincerity and maturity. He's a real sincere kid.
And he's a mature kid for his age. So I
think those two factors really help him out. And he's
a hard worker and people look up to guys that
work hard.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
The chance it's hard work translates on the ice. But
when asked about his leadership qualities, that's the way he
says he wants it to.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (17:42):
I think, first of all, I think as a player
coming in as a freshman, you know, you don't really
know what to expect. I think you're just kind of
trying to fit in right away and trying to gain confidence.
And I think that goes in hand in hand with leadership.
Once once I'm confident, and once I know that I
can lead by example on the ice, that's when I
can start, you know, using those other leadership tactics that
I know, that I know work, that I know work
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for this group. And like I said, I think it
all starts for me with my play on the ice.
That's the biggest thing for me is just leading by example.
And if I'm doing that, then I know I'm being
a good leader.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well that's going to do it for Wednesday from the
Frozen four here in Saint Louis at us Echo Live
at The Frozen four. We'll be back tomorrow to preview
in more detail. The game's happening five o'clock Western Michigan
and Denver and eight thirty Boston University and Penn State
for Jim Connolly for Derek Scooley For Brent Breckey, I'm
(18:34):
Ed Trebsker. Check everything out. We'll have coverage all week
at usccho dot com
Saint Louis, Missouri. It's Wednesday practice. Stay at the twenty
twenty five Frozen four here at the Enterprise Center. Tomorrow,
four teams will face off to see who gets to
move on to the championship on Saturday. I'm ed Trefsker
(00:21):
alongside Jim Connolly and the head coach of Robert Morris University,
Derek Schooley, and the head coach of Saint Lawrence University,
Brent Brecky to preview this weekend's games. And Jim, it's
a pretty exciting route to get here, and I'm looking
forward to seeing all four of these teams who are
playing their best hockey at the right time.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, you have to be right to get to this point,
you have to be playing really well. I think that
all four of these teams can say that. But can
we start with the city. It's been a while since
we've been here two thousand and seven. We remember Michigan
State the dramatic victory over Boston College in the national
title game. That was the last time we were here.
It feels the building looks different. I was even here
(01:02):
in twenty nineteenth for the Stanley Cup Finals. Seats are darker,
it just has a different feel. It feels a little
bit different schools. I know, this is your hometown. Does
it have a little bit of a different feeling or
is it just me?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So this is the building that was built in the
nineteen nineties. Yeah, and I was also there for the
Stanley Cup playoffs and they've redone everything. The seats are
a different color. When they built the building, Mike Keenan
was in charge.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
He wanted for.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Purple seats, just like Madison Square Garden and that's where
that went.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And it's dark, it's silver.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I think the building looks awesome obviously, anytime red with
the baseball stadium and the arch and all that good
cool stuff, it really is going to make this an
exciting championship grant.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
When you look, you've seen some great events in college
hockey over your coaching career, coach on benches in national
championship games. What is it like as the coach to
come into a city. Are you just kind of taking
a whole experience.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah, it's terrific.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I mean the the cities that host the venues are
just tremendous. I mean everybody is really invested in it,
and I think the comfort level as they're going around
the cities. To get to know the different things away
from the hockey itself. To enjoy the whole experience is
a big piece of it. There's so many different cities
have a lot of appeal. You know, you get outside
the rink and the kids get some free time. You
want to keep them dialed in as much as possible,
(02:24):
but you know, you want to enjoy that experience and
see what the cities have to offer. And obviously Saint
Louis has so much in this area, you know, and
the building is terrific. It's actually my first time being
in here. I've seen it on TV many times obviously,
but it looks like a newer facility with the upgrades
they have in here. So the city has a whole
great venue to have it at, and just the buildings
just gorgeous as well.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And the Blues are really behind them. That's the big thing,
the Blues. You cannot talk about this event being held
here without talking about what.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
The Blues have done to get this event here.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
They've been to Frozen four, after Frozen four, after Frozen four.
The committee did a great job picking this location. I
had crazy that I'm from this area, and they got it,
but really good. You can't talk about this venue and
this city without.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Talking about what a great job the Blues have done.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Well, let's talk a little bit about the teams that
are going to be playing. It's a rematch of the
NCHC Championship between Western Michigan and Denver. A lot of
drama coming into that, a lot of hard work to
get here, a lot of overtimes in the regionals and
even in the league playoffs. Derek, let's start with you.
I know both of you guys have a little bias
(03:35):
in this as Western Michigan a luves, But what do
you look for as strengths from these two teams. Let's
start with you, Derek.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Well, in listening to the press Conferencesdy, you're talking about
the team that wants to knock off the defending champion,
and then you're talking about a team that has the
experience of being here and Matt Davis who hasn't barely
given up any goals the last two NCAA tournaments. So
I think the big storyline in mind is Western. They
can play any type of hockey game. They can play
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both scoring game, they can play a high scoring game.
But I think it's going to be the offense against
how Matt Davis comes and plays tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Brent, Yeah, I think the matchup with Penn State and
BU is an interesting one because you have elite, elite
skill in BU. I mean, everybody's well aware of that,
and they can take a game over real quick. They
can be sleepy, which they've shown that, and then they
flip the switch and all of a sudden they turn
it on and it's a lot of offense. And that's
a scary piece because just when you think you've got
things in position to control of the game, it can
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be an issue. And Penn State plays fast, and we
played them earlier this year. We felt good early in
the game, we had a little bit of a lead,
and they can jump it quickly. They're their pace, They're
great two hundred foot team on both sides of the puck.
Their commitment, you know, on both sides's tremendous. Their puck
pressure without it, they create a lot of turnovers, and
they're just the hard working team. They're they're fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
A lot has been made at this Frozen four already
about the experience of two of the teams. Denver, the
most national championship Boston University of Blue Blood program, and
then two teams that have never been here, Western Michigan
and Penn State. We listened to Western Michigan pat first,
while Er talk talked about calling other coaches, leading on
(05:13):
some of his network. I know, you're at Penn State
or a school like that, you have plenty of coaches
that have been on the big stage. How much as
a coach do you have to lean on others at
a time like this when the experience is really unfamiliar.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
We actually were fortunate to talk to the assistants at
Penn State here just a.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Little while ago as they were into in the rank.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
For practice, and they talked about having some of their
coaches in the athletic department of some of the other
sports that have played in national championship games have been
a part of that to come and talk to their team.
They use those resources, and they said it was amazing
just the experience and the knowledge that could pass along
from being through some of those national championship games and
just kind of giving them a little bit of a
history of what they've done in the past to be successful,
(05:54):
to prepare.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And you talk about the guys who have been here.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, they're talking about how do you use the bye
week off, and how they're recovering, and how the different
things that they've had to do with experience, and David
Carl mentioned that they did something completely different this year than.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
They did in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
So you go through the whole thing and you've got
the new guys that are drawing on experience of other
coaching networks, and then you've got the veterans that have
been here. So that's an interesting storyline that you brought
up there.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
How much ReBs off from a coach on a team?
And the reason I asked is I watched the reactions
at the end of the regionals. David Carl maybe cracked
a slight smile, but it was very business like. You
could hardly contain Guy Gadowski who was hopping up and
down on the Penn State. But ben yaan headbutting the
night before.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, yeah, a little still had a little bit of
mark on his head from the Headbut Coup, I think
your team takes a personality of you, and I think
those are the things that you really have to make
sure that you do if you're if you're tight and
you're nervous, then your team's going to be tight and nervous.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
And I think what I've seen from all the teams
that through today they're all enjoying the experience. That's what
I think it's all about.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And we'll find out tomorrow at four o'clock when the
puck drops, who the right what the right model of
it was.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
When you now are sitting in a Thursday night scenario,
that's when everything starts. But here you are the day before,
you've practiced, you've gone through what's a team doing tonight?
Speaker 5 (07:20):
So I think there's just there's probably things they do
all year long that they want to keep in place,
and there's traditions that they have or some of the
things that they just feel like every Thursday, this group
of guys gets together and where they're watching a movie
or maybe they're playing some video games or whatever. So
you want to try to keep some of that familiarity
that you have. And so because I think when you
get caught up in the moment, you start doing things
you're not comfort with it that you haven't done the past,
(07:42):
it comes into the mental aspect of the game. So
you just want familiarity of what you've done all year
to be successful.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Not the most important part of schools, just repetition.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I think the one thing that you've watched practices, they're
doing the same drills that they've done for the last
fifteen weeks.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
They don't change.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Thursday practice I watched b you look really laid back
and did a shootout.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Western Michigan was fast.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
They went boom boom boom through all their drills and
we're done in twenty minutes. Early, I think you're just
up to You're gonna do what you're gonna do. You
can't change at this point. You're not gonna all of
a sudden get better in a certain system. You may
make some tweaks for the opponent, but you're not gonna
if you have to fix something at this time, you're
probably not playing in this game.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Well, we're gonna take a break right here.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
When we come back.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You've heard about name image like this. You've heard plenty
about the transfer of portal. Now how about roster limitations.
That's the big topic, and David Carl has some thoughts
on it.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
When we come back.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
USC cho at the Prosen.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Four, I'm cold Kawfield and I played college hockey.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I'm Adam Fox and I played college hockey.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I'm Jay Densel and I played college hockey.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
I'm Johnny Goodrill and I played college hockey.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Whether you're a fan or a player, nothing compares.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
To Colla Hockey.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Welcome back to us CHL live at the Frozen four
on this Wednesday practice day, Jim. There were some press
conferences going on today, and it wasn't just about the
games going on on the ice. There was some discussion
about name, image and likeness, the transfer portal, and even
roster limits which now seem to be up.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
In the air.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, we know that David Carl has never been a
coach to hold back on the way he feels in
expressing his opinion. Take a listen to what he said.
Speaker 8 (09:46):
Yeah, I think every year is a little different. You know,
it's obviously depending on what players are in the portal,
if they're a fit, if they're not a fit, what
we anticipate losing. You know, we really don't know that
full picture until you know, middle of next week, probably
at the earliest, and so you try and put on
(10:08):
the back burner. Obviously, we you know, I'll tell you
we start getting calls in February on people, and so
you're constantly the phone's always on, trying to evaluate things. Uh,
there's obviously a lot of moving pieces right now between
the chl eligibility the transfer portal. You know, there's more
activity in the player market than there's ever been, and
(10:32):
you know, our staff does a great job, Tavis McMillan,
you know, leading that charge for us on the recruiting side,
and I think in a perfect world, we you know,
our view on the transfer portal is it's an opportunity
to try and enhance our roster. You know, we don't
we want to be in a position to want to
use it. We don't want to be in a position
where we need to use it. And that's a really
(10:54):
fragile balance that you're always trying to figure out. You know,
when players are leaving, when they're coming, is it the
right player? Do they have the right timeline so that
you're not stuck. You know, we brought in ten freshmen
a year ago. You know, if that number goes much higher,
it's it's hard probably not to go into the portal
and need to do it. So you're just I think
(11:15):
that's the biggest challenge today is trying to manage your classes,
your roster so that you're not having to go, because
then you're you start to be at the whim of
what's in the portal, and you know, sometimes it's good,
but sometimes it maybe is good, but not a fit
for They're not a fit for you or you're not
a fit for them, So it's really challenging. I think
(11:36):
the most important thing we can do is continue to
be plugged in, have a great recruiting list, continue to
bring in freshmen, develop the people we have, and if
there's an opportunity to enhance things like we did last
year with pole Camp and salmon in, then that's what
we look to do.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
All right, that's a lot to digest right there, he
said a lot in there. Give me a takeaway. I mean,
there's so much. Get it as a coach is so much.
But what were some of your takeaway schools?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I thought the best thing he said is just tell
us the rules and we'll follow them.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
That's really the key is. I think if the minute you.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Start trying to sit back and not follow the new
rules and think of how things where you get left behind,
you have to adjust to the how.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Things are nowadays, and the minute you start going.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Back and going, gosh, I wish things were five minutes
or five years ago, you're not going back. So you
have to learn what's going on. You've got to find
your niche. You got to find everything how you're going
to do it, and you've got to adjust and you
don't think outside the box a little bit. And that's
a little bit of what he said.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
He talked a.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Lot about how they do things and what they want
to do, But I think my key takeaway from it
is you've got to you've really got to find what
works for your team, and you just follow.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
The rules, follow what the rules will tell you to do.
Does that see what it is, Brent? Is you know,
just tell us where we're going.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I guess that is what coaches seen most of us
with right now, not knowing what's next.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Yeah, one hundred percent. That's been the discussion here is,
you know, leading up the last couple of years, has
this come to this point? And I think that's the
big thing is everybody just like got to the point
where like, let's just make some decisions here so we
can move forward and adapt the way that we need
to and David was you know, I thought really good
as far as talked about the one thing I thought
was real important.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Of sticking to who they are.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
It's not about going to find certain players that has
to be the right fit for their program. And that's
the same for every program out there. I think you
can kind of get led astray a little bit and
you start chasing things that gets away from what your
identity is a is a program and what you truly
believe in as a coach. And I think that was
something for me that resonated, allowed and clear. You know,
you have to be adaptive and stay ahead of what
the rules are and understand you know, what could come
(13:44):
into place real quick. But at the end of the day,
you still have to be who we are and trying
to stay away from having those big classes he talked about.
You get into to ten or eleven guys that are
new faces coming in at that's a lot that's you know,
you get back to back years, you get two young
kids that are two young groups of kids coming in.
That experienced piece comes into play with a transfer portal
becomes an important aspect.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
But I mean, just think of everything that we've been through,
everything like in the last two years, fifty years, transfer portal,
major junior, roster limitations, name, image of likeness, revenue sharing.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
That's a lot for a small period.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Of time that we've had and it's crazy, and you've
got to be a first general manager was named in
College Hockey the other day.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I don't think it'll be the last.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And it's something we talked to now former head coach
about earlier in the season, that you have to be
building a team through draft picks and free agency. How
has that changed what you have to do and what
your assistants have to do.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Oh, you got so much that you're monitoring. You're monitoring
your current recruits. You're monitoring recruiting, you're monitoring major junior.
The pool just got really big and you hadn't watched
those kids forever. So now you've got to learn that pool.
You've got to monitor the transfer portal. You gotta be
talking to agents. I mean, this is a it's a
tough job for them. They've got to stay on the phone,
(15:01):
they've got to stay working. And then it comes to
the head coaches to start. I always say the assistants
have to go six to seven innings, and then the
head coach has got to come in the last three
and be the closer.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
But those six to seven innings feel like a long
time for some of those assistants. It is becoming a
tougher job for assistant coaches.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
No, it is.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
It is, you know, right now, let's just continue to
hit the space bar and refresh what that page is
gonna be. Your guys are popping into the portal, and
that's you sit there at your computer all day and
then you're pulling up video immediately if you don't have
a real good book on certain players that are coming
to the portal. So it is a challenging time and
it goes in a little bit of waves. When that
portal first hits, I mean, it gets bombarded. But then
there's some you know, some kids that are taking out
(15:41):
of the portal and then making their decisions to go somewhere else. Well,
a lot of times that comes into play where that
spot has to be opened up at times, whether it's
you know, an incoming freshman that's being sent back or
it's another player that basically was on their roster that's
been reared out. So there's you know, continuous waves. I think,
you know, it goes for a little bit, and then
also a bunch more names pop been there because all
of a sudden, spots have been taken and now they're
(16:02):
back in the in the portals themselves. So it's an
interesting dynamic to work with.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Portal recruiting is recruiting on speed speed dating. That's what
it is.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Well, let's take another break here, we're gotta come back.
We will look at the story of Shane McCanns and
a pretty famous grandfather as we come back on usc
AH at the pros and Court.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
I'm Cold Kawfield and I played college hockey.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I'm Adam Fox and I played college hockey. I'm Jake
Densel and I played college hockey.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
I'm Johnny Gudreaux and I played college hockey.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
Whether you're a fan or a player, nothing compares to
college hockey.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Star Chance.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
It's a really good playing that's Boston University Captain Shane
the chance that this year is bean pot, but chances bloodlines.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Are well known.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
His father a former terrier, and his grandfather the legend
Jack Parker. He is very impressed by Shane's leadership capabilities.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
I think sincerity and maturity. He's a real sincere kid.
And he's a mature kid for his age. So I
think those two factors really help him out. And he's
a hard worker and people look up to guys that
work hard.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
The chance it's hard work translates on the ice. But
when asked about his leadership qualities, that's the way he
says he wants it to.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (17:42):
I think, first of all, I think as a player
coming in as a freshman, you know, you don't really
know what to expect. I think you're just kind of
trying to fit in right away and trying to gain confidence.
And I think that goes in hand in hand with leadership.
Once once I'm confident, and once I know that I
can lead by example on the ice, that's when I
can start, you know, using those other leadership tactics that
I know, that I know work, that I know work
(18:03):
for this group. And like I said, I think it
all starts for me with my play on the ice.
That's the biggest thing for me is just leading by example.
And if I'm doing that, then I know I'm being
a good leader.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well that's going to do it for Wednesday from the
Frozen four here in Saint Louis at us Echo Live
at The Frozen four. We'll be back tomorrow to preview
in more detail. The game's happening five o'clock Western Michigan
and Denver and eight thirty Boston University and Penn State
for Jim Connolly for Derek Scooley For Brent Breckey, I'm
(18:34):
Ed Trebsker. Check everything out. We'll have coverage all week
at usccho dot com
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