Clifton Powell drops in for an amazing interview about his character pastor Coleman on season 4 of BMF airing Fridays on Starz. In this interview we get a unfiltered conversation with the acting legend. make sure to comment like and hit subscribe for other great content and check out our weekly reviews of BMF. Check us out on youtube Valiant World Media.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
How you doing clip da del Value World Media. We're
part of the country you in, I am in Florida,
New York and Florida, back and forth.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Okay, cool beings, coo being.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
It's good to see all right, man, how are you
doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm good. I'm good. Just busting it out, you know,
promoting this show. It's a great show. I'm glad to
be a part of it. So it's it's fun, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, man, you got an extensive body of work, man,
like just is legendary. So it's I just want to
have a great conversation with you. Man, What what drew
you to be a meth Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, you know I worked with fifty don't self destruct,
and you know he knows my work, and I think
some of the writers and producers and of course my
man Meet and Da Vinci hopefully they were pulling for
me as long as you know, because we all know
each other. So you know, it's in the producers. You know,
good producers do their work and know who's out there
and know and they know the range of my work.
(00:59):
So it's it's just an honor for me.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I don't take any of this for granted on any level.
I just try to come and be good to work
with and try to be prepared.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, man, and I was prepared, you are. We know
the show has its roots in real life events and stuff.
Like you said, I know you are a fan of
the show, or at least watched the show, But were
you familiar with the real life situation before you got
into the show?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Uh, yeah, somewhat. You know, I live in Atlanta, and
you know, I go back and forth between here in
LA and Detroit. Of course, I knew about BMF and
Detroit and how they migrated to Atlanta and around the country.
And I you know, I was, you know, back in
the day, I travel with no security, and I was
in the clubs having fun with my lady friends and
(01:47):
my pride. And you know, I always you know, the
thing about the way I was raised. Man, I don't
you know, I read a lot of gangster stuff, like
you know, when he did when I you know, when
I did their Presidence. You know iat about the mob.
You know, I'm a great fan of the Godfather. So
you know a lot of the street cats really see
(02:07):
me out and they always get me love. Man. So
I try to stay out of our way and stay respectful.
I'm a squeaky clean kind of guy. I've never been
in trouble, never been arrested. You know. I've been set
up a couple of times, but it doesn't stick because
I don't get in trouble, you know. So that's not
my world. But I respect how people do their thing,
you know, whether I agree with it or not, you know.
(02:29):
So you know, the way I see this show is
it's amazing that these guys were able to turn it
into a series and turn lives around and turn their
lives around. That's you know. I tell people sometimes when
I go into prisons and high schools, especially my ex
wife's brother was a Muslim minister, and I went into
(02:49):
one of the high you know, fluting prisons up in
New York, upstate New York, really you know, lockdown, maximum security, lockdown,
and had lectures and I tell them, guys, you know,
I'm one as an entertainer in the spotlight, one incident
from being right where you are right here. It's not
where you are in your life, it's what you take
(03:10):
away from if you get a chance to do your
time and get out, it's how you turn your life around.
So I've had a lot of challenges in my life,
you know, growing up without my mom and having a
dad who had substance use issues. But I had great
people around me and they kept me straight. So I
can't imagine being in the streets going in and I
(03:31):
got a lot all types of people I've met in
all types of people in my life. I can't imagine
going inside for five to ten years and coming out
and have to separate myself from the environment that got
me there and turning my life around. That's the real
challenge me. I had a tough childhood, but you know,
I overcame it because I had great people. But I
(03:53):
kept myself on the straight and narrow. That's easier than
going in, doing ten fifteen years, coming out changing your life,
or not getting caught up coming out of the hood
like I did, and and and some of the things
that you can get caught up in. So I never
really point fingers at anybody, man, because all of it
is challenging.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, that was great, great stuff. Man. It's
hard to follow that right now, man, that powerful, powerful
stuff right there.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah. Well, we talk about crazy Pastor Coleman.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
A little bit, you know, Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll
get into a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Of playing quite a character as flampointed this guy. It's
got interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, you played roles similar I mean man of the church.
You played different roles like a gospel and things like that.
So what makes Pastor Coleman different from other times that
you did things like this?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, you know, doctor King. I played Doctor King in
the movie on a TV movie called Selma, Lord Selma
I did. I did a pastor in the Gospel. I
played a pastor in Black Lightning. This guy is just
a little different. He's very charming, he's very flammed. He's
more on that Reverend Ike side of pastoring, you know,
and he's he's capitalistic. He has a you know, he
(05:06):
sells his books in the lobby. He has an ATM
machine in the lobby. He's throwing money all over the church.
And he believes that, you know, be fruitful and multiply.
And I've never really quite played a character so so
over the top as a pastor. You know, Pinky's a
you know, pretty much over the top. But Pastor Klember
is writing that genre.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I would say, he's right, he's right there on the line.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
He right, he right on the line. With Pinky in
terms of his of his flamboyance. You know, he's very
flamboyant and he's not doesn't make any mistake and any
excuses for one more money in the church. That's the
way he is.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Right. So, so given that description of Pastor Callman, what
would you say he thinks of hisself as does he
think of himself as a villain, a hero, a realist?
What would you say in his head? How does he
work that out?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well, you know I did one episode and my episode
comes on June twentieth. So what I try to tell
people when I told the other interviewers, when you take
a character that's wild and crazy, you start because let's
just say this character catches on and the show comes
back from five, six, seven, eight nine, ten seasons season five, six, seven,
(06:16):
eight nine, we'll get a chance to see different parts
of Pastor Coleman. You know, so you start them kind
of like in Amiri Clay, and then you build them.
You know, if you start them righteous and no flaws,
there's nowhere for his character to go. So for me
as an actor, when I get the script, I say, okay,
this is one episode. Let's if they call me back
(06:39):
next year. They may even ask me for my input
and say, hey, how do you think Pastor has grown
from year to year? And I'd say, well, you know,
maybe it is less flamboyant, maybe dresses a little different,
maybe is not as capitalistic as he was in season
you know three. But now we're in season five, and
now he's doing more work in a community. So if
(07:00):
you start that character already with no flaws and righteous,
there's nowhere for him to go. It's like life. You know,
we all have been through our challenges, but we grow
through them. Some people grow and stay in the same place.
Some people apologize and go back to the people they
might have hurt and say, hey, you know I was
drinking back then. I might have smoked a little weed
is something, But I'm turning my life around. That's that's
(07:22):
what makes good television. And if you look at the
BMF family, you know, Meech is out now, Big Meat
is out, and I'm so sure he's not going back.
You know, he's turning his life around. You know, when
you grow up in the inner city like I did,
it's a lot of stuff all around you. And what
I try to remind people is what and I don't
(07:44):
want to get too political here, but it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Was all go ahead.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It was all orchestrated by this government. You know, there
was a there was a program in the forties that
they paid to get black fathers out of the homes.
So we can't talk about how this new general race
is wild and crazy. We got to talk about the
program that got black fathers out of the homes. When
you take the black father out of a home, you
(08:07):
take away the order mothers. Ninety I don't know the
exact statistic, but ninety three percent of households I think
I read somewhere led by black mothers. We're the fathers.
They took the fathers out of the homes. That was done.
It was orchestrated by this government. And if you think
I'm lying, do your research. Also. You know the way
(08:31):
we came into inception in this country. The families were
broken up from slavery to now. So some of our
you know, eldest have grown up in dysfunction. I know,
I grew up in dysfunction. So you know, I'm sixty nine.
I just learned I've been with my young young lady.
I date, I've been with her ten years. I've just
learned how to love man. I grew up in a hood.
(08:52):
I saw a lot of violence. I saw a lot
of dysfunction. But we have to look at why. I
always tell people to look at the why. Why. Well
came over, Our ancestors came here slaves, Families torn apart.
That's why this whole ice thing is going on. He's
not just going out. The criminalis is tearing families apart
who've been here legally. You know, these are their kids.
You know, you tear family apart and take the father out,
(09:16):
and the mother and father are fighting. There's no order,
you know. So I think with with the Flannery family,
you can see this is based on a real story,
a real family who took some turns in the streets,
got caught up in a lot of stuff. But now
we're doing their television series turn their lives around. That's
(09:39):
a blessing and if you can do that, that's a miracle. Right.
So we're watching their journey on television and now they're
all millionaires. You know, So did they win or did
they lose? I think they're winning. So you know, it's
an honor. You know, fifty started in the streets, man,
you know, so look at fifty man I work with
(10:01):
fifty fifty is a credible businessman. Damn my hometown, Queens, Queens.
I lived right one hundred and seventy first in Hillside
and you know Supreme and all those times. Man, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, I'm from Hollis Avenue.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Man, yeah yeah. I write it right across the street
from the high school right there. I can't remember the
Jamaica hot So what I try to say, you know,
because people come to me all the time, mister how
you do so well? You're not in trouble. You're not this.
I've had a lot of challenges in my life, but
I made a decision early on. I like my freedom
too much, so I don't do any illegal nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Like.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I had a legal cable. I went and took that
back to the table. People gave them some money. I
got nervous. I like they're gonna lock me up. I
was poor man. My man said, y'all I got cable.
I like, okay. And then I went to the cable
company to pay my bill. Ladies and something kind of fishy. Here,
I'll be right back. She went in the back.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I got nervous. I was like, oh my god, you're
gonna find a legal cable. But I've always been squeaky
clean because I was raised by some really my dad
was dysfunctional, but I had uncles and cousins. I had
good teachers, coaches. So it's just a matter. And it's
not just black. Focus is a man. I've used to
be a counselor in the youth programs. It's a lot
(11:13):
of crazy white kids too, you know, drugs and so
all of it is about if you fall down, don't
stay down, you get up. And that's what I love
about this show. I mean, they show us what they
went through. But where are they now? Right we're watching
this show on television.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yep, the worlds, the world is there? See them?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, So with Pastor Coleman, we may see him over
the top flamboyant in episode three that I'm in June
twentieth is coming up, the third episode. But if this
show comes season four and five and six, we may
see Pastor Coleman in counseling with the bishop saying, hey man,
(11:52):
you got to bring it down some you know, even
though I know you're a good pastor and you're a
good man, it's coming across. We don't know that's the
beauty of television series as opposed to a movie. You
get to develop a character and we see the arc.
So I would believe that the writers if I come back,
or if another guy comes back to play Pastor Coleman,
what his is his art going to be? Will will
(12:14):
we end in season seven? Where will he be? You know?
He might be a megachurch pastor who's turned some of
his life around. So that's what's interesting about it.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, I know we got a little bit of time
constraints here. I could talk to you for hours. I'm
sure you got so much information and knowledge.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
My head is so big, man, you see, I bet
my head is. I got a lot of information inside
my head. No, it's all just you know, we gotta
we gotta understand man. You know I grew up in
a tough part of DC. You grew up in Queen's
out there with a lot of stuff going on. We
can't point fingers at anybody. Nobody can judge anybody how
they make their money. The game is a it's a
(12:54):
tough game. The keith to winning the game is getting in.
If that's what you have to do, and get out
out and turn your life down, and I think I
love this show because we see a lot of different angles,
the mother fighting against her losing her babies and her sons.
You know, it's so much wonderful, so many different colors.
That's why this show is the number one show, one
(13:15):
of the number one shows on television, because it's not
sugar coating anything, and it's real, you know. So I'm
honored to be a part of it. Pastor Coleman is
a little over the top. He's definitely a capitalist, but
we don't know where he's going to grow in season
four and five and six, you know, may calm down
a little, or he may be even more you know,
out of bounds and even begin put out of the church.
(13:36):
We're seeing right now, we're seeing protests all over the country.
If it keeps up, Donald Trump won't be president because
he'll be impeached. The people have the power. So it's
real deep, you know. So television is, you know, the
arts is just a mirror of what's going on in society.
And I think the Flannery family is a family that
was flawed, but they've turned their lives around.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Man.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
That's the beauty of this show.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yes it is, Yes, it is all right man. Hopefully
we'll get this talk again sometime soon, we can get
through a whole lot more things. I appreciate your time.
I know you've got a lot of things to do.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Everybody out there tuning into this wonderful show. I'm gonna
be on episode three on June twentieth. Pastor Coleman is
a fun, funny, crazy kind of guy. I can't wait
to see it myself, so it's gonna be really exciting.
Thank you, buddy, Appreciate you. Love much, love baby,
How you doing clip da del Value World Media. We're
part of the country you in, I am in Florida,
New York and Florida, back and forth.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Okay, cool beings, coo being.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
It's good to see all right, man, how are you
doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm good. I'm good. Just busting it out, you know,
promoting this show. It's a great show. I'm glad to
be a part of it. So it's it's fun, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, man, you got an extensive body of work, man,
like just is legendary. So it's I just want to
have a great conversation with you. Man, What what drew
you to be a meth Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, you know I worked with fifty don't self destruct,
and you know he knows my work, and I think
some of the writers and producers and of course my
man Meet and Da Vinci hopefully they were pulling for
me as long as you know, because we all know
each other. So you know, it's in the producers. You know,
good producers do their work and know who's out there
and know and they know the range of my work.
(00:59):
So it's it's just an honor for me.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I don't take any of this for granted on any level.
I just try to come and be good to work
with and try to be prepared.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, man, and I was prepared, you are. We know
the show has its roots in real life events and stuff.
Like you said, I know you are a fan of
the show, or at least watched the show, But were
you familiar with the real life situation before you got
into the show?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Uh, yeah, somewhat. You know, I live in Atlanta, and
you know, I go back and forth between here in
LA and Detroit. Of course, I knew about BMF and
Detroit and how they migrated to Atlanta and around the country.
And I you know, I was, you know, back in
the day, I travel with no security, and I was
in the clubs having fun with my lady friends and
(01:47):
my pride. And you know, I always you know, the
thing about the way I was raised. Man, I don't
you know, I read a lot of gangster stuff, like
you know, when he did when I you know, when
I did their Presidence. You know iat about the mob.
You know, I'm a great fan of the Godfather. So
you know a lot of the street cats really see
(02:07):
me out and they always get me love. Man. So
I try to stay out of our way and stay respectful.
I'm a squeaky clean kind of guy. I've never been
in trouble, never been arrested. You know. I've been set
up a couple of times, but it doesn't stick because
I don't get in trouble, you know. So that's not
my world. But I respect how people do their thing,
you know, whether I agree with it or not, you know.
(02:29):
So you know, the way I see this show is
it's amazing that these guys were able to turn it
into a series and turn lives around and turn their
lives around. That's you know. I tell people sometimes when
I go into prisons and high schools, especially my ex
wife's brother was a Muslim minister, and I went into
(02:49):
one of the high you know, fluting prisons up in
New York, upstate New York, really you know, lockdown, maximum security, lockdown,
and had lectures and I tell them, guys, you know,
I'm one as an entertainer in the spotlight, one incident
from being right where you are right here. It's not
where you are in your life, it's what you take
(03:10):
away from if you get a chance to do your
time and get out, it's how you turn your life around.
So I've had a lot of challenges in my life,
you know, growing up without my mom and having a
dad who had substance use issues. But I had great
people around me and they kept me straight. So I
can't imagine being in the streets going in and I
(03:31):
got a lot all types of people I've met in
all types of people in my life. I can't imagine
going inside for five to ten years and coming out
and have to separate myself from the environment that got
me there and turning my life around. That's the real
challenge me. I had a tough childhood, but you know,
I overcame it because I had great people. But I
(03:53):
kept myself on the straight and narrow. That's easier than
going in, doing ten fifteen years, coming out changing your life,
or not getting caught up coming out of the hood
like I did, and and and some of the things
that you can get caught up in. So I never
really point fingers at anybody, man, because all of it
is challenging.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, that was great, great stuff. Man. It's
hard to follow that right now, man, that powerful, powerful
stuff right there.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah. Well, we talk about crazy Pastor Coleman.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
A little bit, you know, Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll
get into a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Of playing quite a character as flampointed this guy. It's
got interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, you played roles similar I mean man of the church.
You played different roles like a gospel and things like that.
So what makes Pastor Coleman different from other times that
you did things like this?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, you know, doctor King. I played Doctor King in
the movie on a TV movie called Selma, Lord Selma
I did. I did a pastor in the Gospel. I
played a pastor in Black Lightning. This guy is just
a little different. He's very charming, he's very flammed. He's
more on that Reverend Ike side of pastoring, you know,
and he's he's capitalistic. He has a you know, he
(05:06):
sells his books in the lobby. He has an ATM
machine in the lobby. He's throwing money all over the church.
And he believes that, you know, be fruitful and multiply.
And I've never really quite played a character so so
over the top as a pastor. You know, Pinky's a
you know, pretty much over the top. But Pastor Klember
is writing that genre.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I would say, he's right, he's right there on the line.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
He right, he right on the line. With Pinky in
terms of his of his flamboyance. You know, he's very
flamboyant and he's not doesn't make any mistake and any
excuses for one more money in the church. That's the
way he is.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Right. So, so given that description of Pastor Callman, what
would you say he thinks of hisself as does he
think of himself as a villain, a hero, a realist?
What would you say in his head? How does he
work that out?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well, you know I did one episode and my episode
comes on June twentieth. So what I try to tell
people when I told the other interviewers, when you take
a character that's wild and crazy, you start because let's
just say this character catches on and the show comes
back from five, six, seven, eight nine, ten seasons season five, six, seven,
(06:16):
eight nine, we'll get a chance to see different parts
of Pastor Coleman. You know, so you start them kind
of like in Amiri Clay, and then you build them.
You know, if you start them righteous and no flaws,
there's nowhere for his character to go. So for me
as an actor, when I get the script, I say, okay,
this is one episode. Let's if they call me back
(06:39):
next year. They may even ask me for my input
and say, hey, how do you think Pastor has grown
from year to year? And I'd say, well, you know,
maybe it is less flamboyant, maybe dresses a little different,
maybe is not as capitalistic as he was in season
you know three. But now we're in season five, and
now he's doing more work in a community. So if
(07:00):
you start that character already with no flaws and righteous,
there's nowhere for him to go. It's like life. You know,
we all have been through our challenges, but we grow
through them. Some people grow and stay in the same place.
Some people apologize and go back to the people they
might have hurt and say, hey, you know I was
drinking back then. I might have smoked a little weed
is something, But I'm turning my life around. That's that's
(07:22):
what makes good television. And if you look at the
BMF family, you know, Meech is out now, Big Meat
is out, and I'm so sure he's not going back.
You know, he's turning his life around. You know, when
you grow up in the inner city like I did,
it's a lot of stuff all around you. And what
I try to remind people is what and I don't
(07:44):
want to get too political here, but it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Was all go ahead.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It was all orchestrated by this government. You know, there
was a there was a program in the forties that
they paid to get black fathers out of the homes.
So we can't talk about how this new general race
is wild and crazy. We got to talk about the
program that got black fathers out of the homes. When
you take the black father out of a home, you
(08:07):
take away the order mothers. Ninety I don't know the
exact statistic, but ninety three percent of households I think
I read somewhere led by black mothers. We're the fathers.
They took the fathers out of the homes. That was done.
It was orchestrated by this government. And if you think
I'm lying, do your research. Also. You know the way
(08:31):
we came into inception in this country. The families were
broken up from slavery to now. So some of our
you know, eldest have grown up in dysfunction. I know,
I grew up in dysfunction. So you know, I'm sixty nine.
I just learned I've been with my young young lady.
I date, I've been with her ten years. I've just
learned how to love man. I grew up in a hood.
(08:52):
I saw a lot of violence. I saw a lot
of dysfunction. But we have to look at why. I
always tell people to look at the why. Why. Well
came over, Our ancestors came here slaves, Families torn apart.
That's why this whole ice thing is going on. He's
not just going out. The criminalis is tearing families apart
who've been here legally. You know, these are their kids.
You know, you tear family apart and take the father out,
(09:16):
and the mother and father are fighting. There's no order,
you know. So I think with with the Flannery family,
you can see this is based on a real story,
a real family who took some turns in the streets,
got caught up in a lot of stuff. But now
we're doing their television series turn their lives around. That's
(09:39):
a blessing and if you can do that, that's a miracle. Right.
So we're watching their journey on television and now they're
all millionaires. You know, So did they win or did
they lose? I think they're winning. So you know, it's
an honor. You know, fifty started in the streets, man,
you know, so look at fifty man I work with
(10:01):
fifty fifty is a credible businessman. Damn my hometown, Queens, Queens.
I lived right one hundred and seventy first in Hillside
and you know Supreme and all those times. Man, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, I'm from Hollis Avenue.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Man, yeah yeah. I write it right across the street
from the high school right there. I can't remember the
Jamaica hot So what I try to say, you know,
because people come to me all the time, mister how
you do so well? You're not in trouble. You're not this.
I've had a lot of challenges in my life, but
I made a decision early on. I like my freedom
too much, so I don't do any illegal nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Like.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I had a legal cable. I went and took that
back to the table. People gave them some money. I
got nervous. I like they're gonna lock me up. I
was poor man. My man said, y'all I got cable.
I like, okay. And then I went to the cable
company to pay my bill. Ladies and something kind of fishy. Here,
I'll be right back. She went in the back.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I got nervous. I was like, oh my god, you're
gonna find a legal cable. But I've always been squeaky
clean because I was raised by some really my dad
was dysfunctional, but I had uncles and cousins. I had
good teachers, coaches. So it's just a matter. And it's
not just black. Focus is a man. I've used to
be a counselor in the youth programs. It's a lot
(11:13):
of crazy white kids too, you know, drugs and so
all of it is about if you fall down, don't
stay down, you get up. And that's what I love
about this show. I mean, they show us what they
went through. But where are they now? Right we're watching
this show on television.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yep, the worlds, the world is there? See them?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, So with Pastor Coleman, we may see him over
the top flamboyant in episode three that I'm in June
twentieth is coming up, the third episode. But if this
show comes season four and five and six, we may
see Pastor Coleman in counseling with the bishop saying, hey man,
(11:52):
you got to bring it down some you know, even
though I know you're a good pastor and you're a
good man, it's coming across. We don't know that's the
beauty of television series as opposed to a movie. You
get to develop a character and we see the arc.
So I would believe that the writers if I come back,
or if another guy comes back to play Pastor Coleman,
what his is his art going to be? Will will
(12:14):
we end in season seven? Where will he be? You know?
He might be a megachurch pastor who's turned some of
his life around. So that's what's interesting about it.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, I know we got a little bit of time
constraints here. I could talk to you for hours. I'm
sure you got so much information and knowledge.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
My head is so big, man, you see, I bet
my head is. I got a lot of information inside
my head. No, it's all just you know, we gotta
we gotta understand man. You know I grew up in
a tough part of DC. You grew up in Queen's
out there with a lot of stuff going on. We
can't point fingers at anybody. Nobody can judge anybody how
they make their money. The game is a it's a
(12:54):
tough game. The keith to winning the game is getting in.
If that's what you have to do, and get out
out and turn your life down, and I think I
love this show because we see a lot of different angles,
the mother fighting against her losing her babies and her sons.
You know, it's so much wonderful, so many different colors.
That's why this show is the number one show, one
(13:15):
of the number one shows on television, because it's not
sugar coating anything, and it's real, you know. So I'm
honored to be a part of it. Pastor Coleman is
a little over the top. He's definitely a capitalist, but
we don't know where he's going to grow in season
four and five and six, you know, may calm down
a little, or he may be even more you know,
out of bounds and even begin put out of the church.
(13:36):
We're seeing right now, we're seeing protests all over the country.
If it keeps up, Donald Trump won't be president because
he'll be impeached. The people have the power. So it's
real deep, you know. So television is, you know, the
arts is just a mirror of what's going on in society.
And I think the Flannery family is a family that
was flawed, but they've turned their lives around.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Man.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
That's the beauty of this show.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yes it is, Yes, it is all right man. Hopefully
we'll get this talk again sometime soon, we can get
through a whole lot more things. I appreciate your time.
I know you've got a lot of things to do.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Everybody out there tuning into this wonderful show. I'm gonna
be on episode three on June twentieth. Pastor Coleman is
a fun, funny, crazy kind of guy. I can't wait
to see it myself, so it's gonna be really exciting.
Thank you, buddy, Appreciate you. Love much, love baby,
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