Alien Abduction & Past Life Experiences with Regan Forston

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Speaker 1 (00:34):
And a stay act as to say.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whichever the case may be.
For all of you listening out there across the crazy
planet Earth, Welcome to Vestiges after Dark and I am

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your host, Bishop Brian will Let come into you lie
from the deep woods of Western Georgia. On this October seventh,
twenty twenty five, tonight, we have our very special and
favorite guest, I think Reagan forced and back to talk

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about a new subject. This is going to be a
really interesting one. Alien abduction and past life experience. Now
there's a combination here, there's a correlation here, and he's
going to talk about how that works from multiple perspectives,
including his own. Tonight on Vestiges after Dark. Well, hello, everybody,

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welcome to another edition of Vestiges after Dark. Once again,
I am your Bishop Brian will Lett here with my
co host Jamie Wall.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Good evening, everybody.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
And you know, it has been a great season so far.
We're just getting started, you know. I mean, I feel
like I feel like we've held a connection for two episodes.
I mean that's a record, I think. So you know,
everything's going well, I know, right, I know, But now
we're going. We're doing well and it's great to be
with here here with you tonight on this Tuesday evening

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as we talk about all of these metaphysical, supernatural, spiritual,
paranormal subjects, esoteric, metaphysical, you name it, we talk about
it on this show. And you know, tonight's going to
be no exception. In the second and third hours, we're
going to be discussing alien abduction and how this relates

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to Reagan's work with past life regression and hypnosis. It's
going to be a really fascinating one. You don't want
to miss this that's coming up in the second hour,
And of course joining us from Australia, we have Father
Chris Yates. How you doing tonight, Father, Yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
I got caught out by the fact that Australia changed
their clocks this week for daylight savings, so I'm gonna
have to leave at the end of our two which
is annoying.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
You don't you have like about five different time zones
in that country that you like, people that are on
like a half an hour, I mean half hours and stuff.
I mean, isn't it kind of crazy?

Speaker 4 (05:24):
There are there are two time zone issues that this
poor Englishman cannot make sense of I don't know what
happened on those ships on the way to Australia, but
something happened in the brain, and that is that these
New South Wales and Queensland share the same longitude, right,
you know, I don't want to give a geography lesson,
but I'm pretty sure that the time has got something

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to do with which longitude is on on the on
the Earth. And yet New South Wales has daylight saving
time and Queensland does not, so on the same on
the same timeline, we have two different time zones. And
then yeah, you're right in in South Australia they have
a half hour.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
That makes no sense to me. I'm sorry, it just doesn't,
you know, i mean.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Working for politicians these time zones. I'm sure in America
make use of this as well. If, for example, you
needed to get something in before the deadline and you
realize you've gone over time, you can send that from
Perth in Western Australia because they're four.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Hours there you go. If you're cutting close, you've got options, right,
I mean. The crazy thing is, I mean they've they've
been trying to change it here for for years it's
a federal thing, and no one can ever agree. It's
literally an issue, just like everything else. I guess that

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is split completely down the middle. You have people that
want to stay on standard time. I am one of those.
I prefer it dark in an evening. I don't want
extra daylight right exactly. I think it's better for kids
going to school. I think it's uh, it's better for
your health. It is a thing, and I don't want

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the sun to be out at ten o'clock at night.
I don't want that, you know, and in certain places
during the summer that can happen with daylight savings. But
there's another part of the country that wants it to
stay daylight savings, and usually these are older people who
want to drive at night and don't have kids, and
they're not dealing with the other issues. So it's understandable
on one level. But at the same time, standard time

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is called standard for a reason. It's the actual time, right.
Daylight savings is the artificial construction. It doesn't serve any
purpose anymore. I think they said I had something to
do with farmers at one time.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
But at one time, but that's not.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
I'm from fairly far north in the northern hemisphere, and
you know, the daylight shift is enormous, you know, I mean,
and you know, certainly towards the north of Scotland it
really doesn't get dark during summer.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
But in a way it.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Doesn't really that doesn't really explain it, you know. So
if it's for farming and all the rest of it,
then you know, I just think we have we have lights.

Speaker 6 (08:14):
On our John Deere's now so well, coming from a
farming community, I really I think you'll see it change
in the next few years, because it happen, wants.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
To keep it on daylight. He doesn't want to give.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Us stand well, you know what, he won't be president forever.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well he does, he doesn't think.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
We also have twenty four hour shops and the internet.
The issue was, you know, to change the working day
so that you can still go and get to the baker.

Speaker 7 (08:40):
Right, But.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
If a farmer wants to get up an hour earlier
an hour later, who am I to stop him? Right?

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (08:49):
But what sacrifice does that entail? Okay, the school day,
I get that, but yeah, I think anyway, all it
does is serve to confuse me, because of course I
have to operate with like saving time time coming in
differently here in the UK, and for this show literally

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episode what time does it start?

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I mean, the only way, the only way you could
deal with that is is I believe the Nicole Network
converts it for you if you if.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
You do the R.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
I do check that it does. It does.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
That's what does it work. I've never tried. I've never
had to try it. Okay, cool, Okay, Yeah, that's usually
the best place to make sure, because I think it
does the conversion. It knows all the difference. This morning
I went, oh, no, joining us from Tennessee. We have
Brandon mylem How you doing over there? Brandon? I mean, uh,
you know, is is Standard time treating you? Well? What

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do you prefer Standard? Do you prefer standard? Do you
prefer daylight? Which one is your choice?

Speaker 8 (09:59):
I prefer standard?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I do too. Yeah, I'm telling you, if if you've
got if you're if you're rational, you prefer standard.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I mean I agree with that completely because I look,
I like the Christmas time. I like it to be dark,
you know, and in winter it's just cozier. I mean
I prefer that. I think it brings us down from
the hustle and bustle for Christmas. Then, oh, I know, yeah,
No that I would not I would never be in No,
that's not going to happen. I had, I had might

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fill it lot with Florida. I don't need that. Again. Yeah,
it's just not right. It's not right.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
All right, let's go ahead and jump right in here
with questions from the ether. So what do we have tonight, Brandon?

Speaker 8 (10:43):
So the first question comes from Abel. He says, hello,
Bishop proposed, what with you any thoughts on Coptic Orthodox churches?

Speaker 2 (10:52):
The Coptic Orthodox Okay, you know, they're kind of cool.
I mean they're kind of cool. They are, you know,
a schismatic branch of schismatic from both of course Roman
Catholicism and East and Eastern Orthodoxy as well. They are Egyptian. Yes,
it's basically the Egyptian Orthodoxy. I guess Ethiopian too, they

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got some down there. But the Coptics they have a
larger canon of scripture than the standard Eastern Orthodox in
Roman catholic so they're a very interesting mystical kind of sect.
There are some theological issues, some theological concerns. One of

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the primary areas of contention is meophysitism, which you know,
basically is the doctrine. It's a heretical doctrine by Roman
Catholic and Eastern Orthodox standards that while Jesus has is
both divine and human, it's one nature. It's divine and

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human and one nature, not the divine nature and a
human nature kind of you could say, paradoxically contained into
one being. That's the issue that Roman Catholicism particularly has
with it. Now you might say, well, that's not a

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big deal. It's mostly an issue of semantics, but it
does present a problem with certain types of things because
if he is fully divine and fully human in the
same nature, it could imply that maybe he didn't have
to suffer the passion like a human being would have to,

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you know, because if he's got that divine side, that
really can't get hurt. So how much did the human
side really feel? That's where it becomes problematic. So they
kind of come in and say, well, we can't have
this because Jesus was fully man and fully God by
Roman Catholic doctrine as well as Eastern Orthodox doctrine, and

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that would mean that when the human aspect, or the
human nature of Jesus suffered. It suffered exactly as a
human being would, which means all of the pain that
we would feel, he felt, all of the desperation, all
of the anxiety. He would feel as well, like us
in all things. But sin is the you know, is

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generally how the Church looks at that. That does not
minimize his divine nature, but it definitely shows that the
human nature was its own thing, and and meophysitism kind
of says no, it's really also divine too, the you know,
And so that creates a problem. You can decide whether
or not you think it's enough of an issue to

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say that Orthodox Coptic Orthodox are heretics. I wouldn't go
perhaps that far.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
I'm just an extra layer of dilution. Yeah, it's pretty
debatable whether the cops, whether the cops really are monophice.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Sites meophysitism of sites. So monaphasite is the one I did.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
Sorry, it's my accent, I said my office.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Okay, okay, okay, Yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
It's pretty debatable. I mean, there are there are. The
Coptic Church is actually quite successful is the wrong word,
but my vocabulary is gone. But they do pretty well
in Australia and are quite well respected and thought of.
I mean the bishop here is a great guy. You
see him walking around Sydney all the time. And certainly

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relations between the Orthodox and the Cops here are warmer.
I mean they're not they're not in communion of course,
but there they attend each other's services.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
And what have you. And so the only the only
contention with communion is that is that one issue.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
And my Orthodox biops I've spoken to say, actually, we
we now we could in fact get over that, like
in other words, we know what they believe. Is not
that they're trying to say that Jesus wasn't suffering on
the cross, so it could be fixed. It's just that,
well it's an example of what happens when you don't

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have a unifying bishop in the church.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Well, if they're if they're willing, if they're willing to
the papacy, now, if they're willing to overlook that, then
they need to be willing to overlook the filliloquy then,
because the Roman Catholic Church wasn't trying to imply anything
either with that one, and they exactly it was really
to clarify some of these problems.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yes, it is about priorities.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, yeah, so kind of theological gibberish. Honestly, the difference
is here. I wouldn't consider it to be problematic, but
it is worth noting if you're going to talk about
Coptic orthodoxy, it is its own thing and we have
to recognize it as such.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
I would give them communion, Oh yeah, I would.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well, I would give any Christian community I do. I
do I give any Christian community if you're baptized. If
you're baptized, you are welcome to receive communion in the
nicole and church. That is the only prerequisite that's necessary.
And of course some fundamental understanding as to what you're receiving. Certainly,
you know, there needs to be at least an understanding
of the mystery of the Eucharist as not you know, symbolic.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
If you're a Protestant, you call it christ checks but
just have a scene.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, that's not a fly.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
If you believe in a real absence, then noe.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Y, Yeah exactly. But I mean, you know, I find
that most Protestants actually have a pretty good grasp on
and these days in some ways better than the Catholics do.
The Catholics aren't doing too well, when it comes to
understanding the theology of the Eucharist.

Speaker 6 (16:48):
Being raised a Protestant and then going to Mass every
once while with my my my grandparents on my dad's side,
I thought it was fascinating. Yeah, you could almost feel
the magic. And I was just ignorant kid, But there
are some really beautiful about it.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
About it, the difference there. Yeah, so yeah, so I would.
I would have no problem with the Coptic Orthodox, you know,
being a part of our church orcardinating into it if
they wanted to. You know, there's there's no issue here
for us, but it is worth noting what those differences are.
I don't think meophysitism is enough of a problem two

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to to really be too hung up on it, you
know what I think. I mean, I really don't think
it's it's it's really just a categorical error. And as
long as you understand that they're not suggesting that he
could mitigate his suffering, which is the main thing, then
you're pretty much okay. And I don't think, like you said,
Father Chris, they don't necessary they don't teach that, so

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it's I'm not sure really they should be using that term.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
I think again, it's a linguistic a cultural linguistic issue,
which is mainly what devises the church.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, usually semantics, isn't it usually? You know, we talk
a lot about that on this show, and that's why.
But that's the answer to it, Brandon, what's our next one?

Speaker 7 (18:09):
Right?

Speaker 8 (18:09):
And so the next one comes from Jay. She asked,
was Jesus ever married or have his own children?

Speaker 9 (18:15):
No?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
No, that's that's It's always been the traditional teaching of
the church that Jesus did not have children, he was
not married. I know that a lot of Gnostic texts
like to try to claim that he was secretly married
to Mary Magdalene and all this great story for Dan
Brown to certainly did. Yeah, but that is not the

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teaching of the church. It has never been the teaching
of the church. And when you understand that those stories
came out of the Gnostic texts that were two or
three hundred years older than the texts of the New Testament,
you know, in some cases maybe even more than that.
You know, it's it's it's a very different time and

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different perspectives.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
So he could have had a wife and children, it
wouldn't affect Christianity.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I mean, ultimately it doesn't. It really doesn't. Yeah, he
could have. I mean he was he was a I
mean Jewish people, you know, families and everything.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Like part of your answer, you know, you would think
that that would have been talked about.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
It would have been I mean, they would have mentioned
it if it had, and there wouldn't have been anything
that said he couldn't have done it. It wasn't that
that he was taking on some celibate vow or something.
I really think what it comes down to is simply
the fact that it would have been somewhat irresponsible for
him knowing what he was here to do, that he
was going to leave a wife and several kids, you know,

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without a father, without a husband, at the age of
approximately thirty three, because you know, he he didn't come
here to live like us. He came here to die
for us. And that's a very different type of matter,
you know. And I think from a from a traditional
Christian point of view, if you knew this, if this
was asked of you by God and you knew this,

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I mean, I don't think you'd be pursuing relationships or
families when you know that this is how it's going
to go.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
So if it was impulsant though Jesus was celebrated being
the creed, but it's not.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
And the other on that, And I think another thing
that's important, Yeah, yeah, And I think another thing that's
important to note is that Christianity is not it was
was was standing as a direct and in the direct
spotlight against paganism, okay. And I think it was very

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important to emphasize that this was not another pagan god.
This was not Zeus coming here to impregnate another you know,
human female for his own purposes. His his his role
was to restore us to life, to bring us to
knowledge of the truth through him. He wasn't here to

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have those kinds of human relationships. And and I think
that's another reason that he wouldn't have done that, is
to stand apart from you know, I'm not like just
all these other gods you've heard about. This is this
is a very different thing that you're about to experience
through me. And I think that by standing in a

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in a cell of a position, it helped to emphasize
those facts. But as Father Chris said, there was no
restriction Judaism certainly didn't have such a restriction on spiritual
teachers or rabbis or anything. In fact, they're encouraged to
get married. Of course, yeah, they're encouraged. I mean it's
almost required. Really, you typically wouldn't be called a rabbi

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if you weren't married, honestly, And the fact that they
called Jesus rabbi is one of the things that people
have used to say, well, he must have been married
because they're using this title. But you know, you got
to understand the whole the the whole realm of understanding
of the of the time back then, and the fact
that he was given this honor to be referred to

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as a teacher of of of significance and not having
gone through this traditional path of what a rabbi would
is is pretty remarkable in a sense and even further
emphasizes that there was something special about him. But you know, yeah,
the fact is, there is no reason to even suggest

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that Jesus would have been married. There's no documentation on that.
The Church has never taught at the Apostolic tradition, has
never said anything that would even imply this. You know.
So there's no bloodline. If you're worried about there dan
brown bloodline out there there's no Jesus bloodline. I can
promise you that, and even if I want so, well, yeah,

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who cares, right, I mean, they would be human beings
the same as you. Yeah, that's right, that's right, because
the human nature is what would be passed on. It's
the human DNA. It's not like if God left, you know,
divine DNA behind, and you know there would be like
all these magical people. It's I don't know what you're
trying to imply here, but I mean, even if he had,

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it would have been his human side only.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
And if you want to be a son or daughter
of God, be baptized, Yeah you are.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
You are a son, a daughter, or a brother in
a much more intimate way than biology.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
So you know it's what whatever you're looking for, right,
whatever your whatever, whatever your priorities are, set them straight
and you're good to go. Uh So, there you go.
That's that's our second questions. Know, these are too easy.
I don't know, Brandon's taking it easy on us.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
If you want more, back pocket, don't worry.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
What's their next which I think.

Speaker 8 (24:01):
I think this one will take you a little bit longer. Okay,
So in the law of magical names, you said, one
of the signs you look for to distinguish between actual
possession and the psychological health, as if the possessed individual
says that the demon told them its name. So while
that might not actually be a possession, wouldn't then name

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the client provides of the demon at some insights into
the problems.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I mean, yeah, I can, because a lot of times
the name of the demon is the actual problem itself.
We've talked about how oftentimes when we go through I
think people sometimes expect there to be some like ancient
Babylonian name or something to come through, or some kind
of biblical demon name, and a lot of times they

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use the names of whatever it is that they do.
So I've said this before. We've had We've had demons
that call themselves wrath, you know, We've had demons that
call themselves lust. These are common place issues that come up,
and what they are essentially are the embodiment of these problems,
these sense, these obsessions, you might say, and that sort

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of has a framework in the whole diagnostic process. Which
so it's true, and to answer the question, yes it does,
it does matter. But it's also important to understand that
there is one fundamental problem that all of this represents,
and really determining which factor at play is at play,

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like what the name of the demon is or what
kind of demonic problem this might be, is really only
to craft the treatment planned according well tailoring I should say,
according to what has the best rate of success for
the type of problem that's being reported. So certainly, you know,

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getting a name that name over another in an exorcism
could give us some identification as to the direction this
might go and how to best work with that particular client,
because a lot of times the demon just calls itself
whatever the trauma is, that the that the client is suffering.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
Yeah, I've had clients that will that's not that many,
but I do have clients that will say that they
believe the name of the demon was this, that or
the other. And you'll look up that demon like the
dictionary demons or one of our groomirs or whatever, and
you'll find that it's the demon of lust or you know,
gluttony or whatever.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
So same thing, Yeah, it's exactly the same thing.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
At the risk of preaching a humbly, I think.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
There's no risk of that.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
But if you look at the garriceine you know, So
Jesus goes and they present this, you know man who
has to be bound in chains, and he breaks the
chains because he's so insane, and he's the demon possessed man,
and he says, you know, what is your name? And
he says, you know, the demon says, sorry, we are Legion,
for we are many, right, and so now you know,

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a sort of one oh one reading of that would
be to say, oh, Legion is this you know, biblical demon?
So someone might be possessed by Legion. No, this is
clearly a very you know, prevalent spiritual battle. Is that
you know, the forces of evil are divided against themselves.

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The whole point is that they're many and they're in
complete conflict with one another, and that's what's insane. Yeah,
and so which is what you know, they go off
into the swine and you know, and they drown.

Speaker 10 (27:50):
But the the.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
What could be a better description of of certain types
of not just spiritual malady, but psychological malady. You know,
people who who are schizophrenic or a multiple sort of
genre of mental illness have this sort of you know,
multiple polls on their on their mind, you know, and

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so I I, you know, I think this is this
is in a sense, you know what Jesus, when Jesus
encounters this and it's lesion, we are many were divided.
I think this is just the absolutely like standard normal
suffering that somebody goes through who's being possessed. But it's

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and it's also the fundamental anxiety at the heart of
mental illness.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
And they are more like got completely voices, and they're
more like than people realize. I agree with everything you
just said. One of the biggest questions I get almost
every single time I'm interviewed. In fact, I was just
interviewed for some publication. I'm not even sure which publication
it is. I think it's actually for many publications. It's

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going to be distributed out. I was just interviewed last
week and that was that question came up again that
one of the most common things that people ask about
exorcism is how do you tell the difference between a
mental illness and a demonic possession, because of course that

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the natural proclivity these days is to assume all of
it is mental illness, and that this was just a
thing back in the ancient world because they didn't understand psychology,
and to some degree, that is not wrong, not entirely
wrong anyway. The issue is that it's chicken or the egg,

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and they kind of it's almost like an oraboris right,
it's the snake eating its own tail. They kind of
give birth to each other. Because there would be illness
of any kind, mental or otherwise if there hadn't been
a fallen condition to start with. Okay, So you wouldn't
have sickness and death in this world if there wasn't

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already the prerequisites that make that possible. What the Church
identifies as the cause of those problems is evil. Okay.
So there's your demonic influence creating the conditions for things
like physiological sickness, mental sickness, any of these kinds of things.

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So they're not completely separate things. No matter how you
want to slice it, no matter what belief system you're
applying to it, neither of them are separate. It's not
like mental illness is its own thing. It is still
everything that's problematic has a demonic causation. Ultimately, that's the

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problem with the fallen world. But the other side of
the coin is just because something presents in a demonic
way doesn't mean that that exorcism is the is the
absolute best treatment plan for all situations. There are a
lot of times where traditional therapy is far more effective,

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particularly when these possessions are caused by actual mundane traumas
like child abuse or you know, any other kind of
trauma that you can think of that we.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Should say, we should take the Bill Clinton approach to exorcism,

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but to completely homely.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
You know, you never trust anybody that talks with the
crooked finger. Yeah, never trust at that point.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
But you're right, I mean the fall because the fallen
nature is about division. So you know, when the fall happens,
you have this division between nakedness and clothed, right, you
have this division between Eden and being cast out, and
those divisions carry on and carry on acount. And if
you listen to you know, the Ministry of Jesus in

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what he says, it's all you know what he highlights,
his division. You know, a kingdom divided against hisself cannot stand.
You know, it's about division, division, division. He's saying, this
is the problem. You know, the issue is division, and
division has its root in the fall. Yeah, and that's why,
indeed so, and that's why he is always lambasting the Pharisees.

(32:43):
I believe Jesus was a Pharisee, by the way, you know,
I'm of that school. I think that he's interacts with
Pharisees so often because he is, in fact one of them.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
He was far too educated spiritual tradition. I mean he was.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
I'm not saying he was the same as them. I'm
just saying, yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
But I mean, I don't subscribe to the opinion that
just because he had a divine nature that he had
like omniscience, I don't think he did.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
No.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
No, he had to learn to learn to read and write. Yeah,
So I know I completely agree with that. So the
but then if you look at the what he what
Jesus therefore presents as the antidote, not just what the
Church says about Jesus, but he actually says, is he
goes back to the Israelites in the desert. You know,

(33:29):
he says, like the is Rights in the desert, don't
forget they've got freedom, which now means they've got to
look after themselves, and they don't like that. You know,
there's always this this wrestling between safety and slavery and
freedom and looking after yourself and so uh, and he says,
and and and then that they're they're bitten by snakes,
and they look towards the bronze serpent that Moses fashions,

(33:50):
and there they'll be saved. And he and that, he says,
of course, where the son of Man is lifted up,
this will be the solution. Now again, if he's think
about this in the context of him talking about the
problem being being divided against yourself, like the demons are
divided against themselves. We've been divided because of the fall.

(34:11):
What is it that looking upon the cross? You know,
what's the psychological function of us looking at gazing upon
the cross? You know, not the divine function of God
making all things new, but the psychological function is we're
all looking in the same direction. In other words, we're
all pointing towards unity. And so the psychological spiritual solution

(34:36):
to the malaise of mental illness, which I don't take lightly,
and or spiritual illness, and they interact, is to find
a unity within the personality and a unity within the
community that you live. That's the antidote. Yes, Oh, and

(34:56):
that's where exorcism can you know, Atheist psychologists and psychiatrists
recognize that that exorcism can work. I mean, they would
say purely psychologically, but can work psychologically because it does
in fact bring a unity to you know, if somebody
has a religious context. I mean, I think it's more

(35:17):
than this, but if somebody has a Christian context or
philosophy within their minds, however primitive, then of course psychologically
that would work because it brings into a unity of
purpose to say, you know, Jesus is the answer that
look towards the cross. These are the things that will
that will bring you to unity within yourself.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Well, even placebo effect sort of in an inverted kind
of way, validates what you're saying, you know, because what
it does demonstrate is that the power that we possessed,
made in God's image is great enough to connect just

(36:00):
back to that source of all wholeness and healing, and
on occasion it can actually produce those actual effects. So therefore,
you know, I mean, I'll let me give you an
example from from my own childhood, and there's nothing, no
hocus pocus here at all. When I was when I
was in third grade, I don't know, I mean, I
was always messing around and dirt. I was always I

(36:24):
had any creature. If I came across a creature on
the ground, I would pick that thing up and bring
it back with me. Snakes, toads, frogs, everything, you know. Bugs.
I had it all, you know. And so I guess
at some point I must have picked up the a
virus or something that gave put warts all over my hands,

(36:47):
and they were everywhere, and it was getting uncomfortable and unsightly,
and it was bothering my teacher for some reason, and
so she sent me to the nurse because it just kept,
you know, getting worse, and and I guess it was
a distraction maybe, And so, uh, the nurse, you know,

(37:08):
said that I'm going to have to or called my
parents and and said I'm going to have to go
into the doctor and have them burnt off, which I
guess using a freeze, you know. They they use a
kind of like a cryogenic type of substance that burns
them cryogenically and then it kills the virus that's contained
so it can't grow anymore, and then eventually in the

(37:30):
work goes away. So my mother didn't like, for whatever reason,
the idea of this, and I'll be honest, I wouldn't
I didn't sound didn't sound too pleasant to Yeah, Oh
and it was. It was. There was at least twenty twenty.

Speaker 11 (37:45):
Five of them.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
It was all your mom's not going to watch that.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
And I was kind of uneasy about it too, because
it sounds sounded like well burning, that must hurt, right,
And so I didn't want to go through it. And
so she had this book and I think I still
have it somewhere that had this solution for childhood warts.
And the solution was and I didn't know this, but

(38:11):
she had read it in this book and showed it
to me many years later, so you know, there it was.
And I know the book. It's in my library somewhere.
I just have to dig it out. You know, more
than half my library is not even up on shelves.
It's all packed away. I've got so many And so
it said that with childhood. Now, this is a book
written in the forties, I think maybe even earlier. It said,

(38:35):
for childhood warts, a very effective solution is to put
in a like a spray bottle, regular tap water and
tell the child that this is a very special, very
powerful medicine from a doctor that they trust. Now, I
haven't have had a doctor back then that I loved

(38:56):
and very much trusted. He's dead now, doctor Alec Paula.
I still remember his name. The last doctor ever, the
last doctor ever trusted, I think, the last doctor. But anyway,
my mother, you know, got a bottle of tap water
and I didn't know, and she said, this is from

(39:17):
your you know, this is from doctor Alec Paula. You know,
so you know it's really it's going to work and
it's going to help this and he'd like to try
this before we go to the extreme of having them
burnt off. And so so I said, well what I
had to do, and she goes, just hold your hands on.
I'm going to spray and then she's probably burn a
little bit, but it's not gonna hurt as much as

(39:37):
if you went for the for the So so I
was all expecting that this is going to be potent stuff.
And I do remember hurting. I do remember burning almost
like you know, pouring alcohol in an open cut or something.
And she sprayed and I said, is that it? And
she goes, that's all you got to do? I kid
you not. I kid you not. My dad can testify

(39:59):
to this. Anybody that was there you should have seen
my teacher's face. The next morning, they were all gone.
They were all gone. The next mon I went to
bed that night, they were all gone. And I never
had the problem again. They never came back and I
never had that happen again. And when we went to
the you know, when I went into the class the

(40:20):
next day, they were shock. They were shocked because they
knew that that wouldn't have been something they would have
done overnight. I mean, I would have had to get
an appointment and go in. And even though back then
it was a lot easier to go see a doctor
than is today with all the hoops they make you
jump through, back then, you know, you just called your
family doctor and you showed up. But it wouldn't have
happened overnight. So that's placebo effect, clearly. And she didn't

(40:45):
tell me about this until I was a teenager reflecting
back on it, and I remember that and I was shocked.
I couldn't believe it. And she said, let me show
it too. It's in this book. And I said, can
I have that book? And she said, yeah, you can
keep it. And so that's that's how I ended up
with it, because it really kind of blew me away.
So later on I had a cousin that was around

(41:07):
the age I was around third grade, that had not
as many as I did, but had some warts, and
I tried it. It worked just as well. It took
them away. It is plain old tap order and the
power of the mind, you know, and that I think.

Speaker 12 (41:27):
I do not.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Dismiss the fact that extorcism does play on our natural
healing abilities. I do think there's something higher there, but
I don't think it's any higher than our connection to God,
which we already always have. I think what exorcism does
it sort of clears the way to that connection. But
I think it's actually the same effect. So in someone
s it's always just placebo or it's just psychological. It's like,
who cares, that's all God anyway, it's all God. It works,

(41:53):
and if it works, what are you worried about?

Speaker 4 (41:54):
You know?

Speaker 2 (41:55):
And so that's ultimately the whole thing is is if
something is working, why are you trying to stop it
from helping people? Exorcism helps people, and we don't jump
into that first. We're not, like, you know, going to say, oh,
you don't need doctors anymore because we've got exorcists that's
not what any church, any reasonable church would do. It's

(42:15):
always a holistic approach. Again, getting back to Father Chris
you said about wholeness. You know, we start with the physiological.
When that's not getting the patient anywhere, then you know,
maybe traditional therapy or psychotherapy or psychotropic medication, although I'm
very skeptical of a lot of that, but I do
recognize that in some cases it can be helpful. I've

(42:37):
seen Clause Real for example, work wonders for a schizophrenic.
So not all psychotropic medication is completely to be dismissive.
Though clausural is very toxic, so it's not exactly the
great greatest drug either, but it does help bring lucidity
back to a person who's really having a struggle with that.
But you know it's only after the physiological treatments and

(42:58):
the psychological treatments fail do we then say what can
we do pastorally? And where's the harm in prayer? Because
all exorcism is is prayer. It's just a prayer. It's
not anything more than that. They try to make it
out because the movies and everything into this crazy it's
that magic now just.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Just like just like when a priest validly celebrates the
mass and the body of blooded Christ is present. That's
not magic, you know, that's like saying I mean, I
always like the the analogy of because I was a policeman.
I'm sure Jamie can relate to this, that words affect reality.
And so when when a when a lawfully warranted police

(43:40):
officer says you are under arrest, it's not a matter
of opinion, it's done. And actually it's not. It's not
putting handcuffs on someone that makes them under arrest. It's
saying those words. And so the idea, you know, when
people reject the idea that words can change reality or
dismiss that as magic, I go, No, words change reality

(44:02):
every single day, all the time. Every time you learn something,
words have changed reality for you. So, yeah, magic, get
magic out of your head. That's got nothing to do
with the the effect of God in the world. It's
not magic. It's the logos, the word it become flesh

(44:25):
and through the church, the word being broadcast out to
the entire cosmos. It's not magic.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Well, I think you know, if we understood Greek better,
like we were talking about last week, that we get
our word for the soul, you know from the Greek
words psyche, and we get our word for psychology from
the word psyche. So soul, psyche, psychology all the same thing.
It's all the same reality. But so when people say, oh,

(44:56):
well you should you know, you're you're you're being ir response.
You know you're not a psychiatrist or you're not a psychologist.
You you should be referring people to them instead of
doing these antiquated rituals. And you know, it's like psychology,
where do you think they got it from? Where do
they get this from?

Speaker 4 (45:16):
You know, when people say things like that, and they
say this in the political world as well as in
the wellness world, what they're really revealing is more than
they probably want to reveal. What they're revealing is that
actually they have a false confidence in credentials or in
or in categories. Because there's nothing wrong with categories. And

(45:38):
you and I are very responsible and the sorts of
people that say we're not going to go into a
psych ward at a hospital and say stop taking all
those pills. We're here to say some preers.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
You and I.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
You and I are very responsible people, and we recognize
medical science and all the rest of it. But now
I don't want to well, yeah, I probably do want
to make people feel a little bit uneasy if you are,
if you feel safe and secure, because we have these
categories as though they are written in stone and handed

(46:12):
on by you know, God, Jesus and Einstein. I'm here
to tell you that the as the scientific method genuinely
ought to be, these are always provisional. We were very
very certain eighty years ago that if you had same

(46:33):
sex attraction then all you need is an electric shock.
You know, very very certainly, these are our categories.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
So homosexuality, it was a diagnose, a diagnose mental illness
up until the DSM four. That was when it changed. Four. Yeah,
four is when it changed three had.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
So all the thing is for anyone that that you know,
oh well, this is in this box, and this is
in that box, and this is in this box. I'm
not saying, don't conceptualize the world in ways that makes
sense to you and that help you. Yeah, but actually
their provisional categories. And you know, as theists, we believe
all of these things are a product of God's creation,

(47:12):
and therefore to separate things out in the in the
true philosophical sense, is a false separation.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
I yeah, and I think that that's part of the
problem we have with everything, all of the things we
see in the world today, from from politics to obsession
with science and all this is you know, there's a
there is an a fundamental disconnect and it's the same

(47:43):
it's the same separation you're talking about, that same demonic
detachment that causes all of it. But they don't because
it feels so natural and typical and ordinary and regular.
We don't classify this and say, oh, well, that's the demonic,
because the demonic has to be dramatic and spectacular, because

(48:04):
the horror movies said so, you know, the fact is
the opposite, the norm is the opposite, right exactly, And
and we forget this. I think Christians forget this. I mean, Brandon,
I know you can testify to this because we've talked
so much about it. But you know, you know Christians
in your own life that they see a dec of

(48:25):
tarot cards and I don't want to do with that.
You know, they get freaked out. And it's like, but
yet all your all your hostile thoughts that you have
towards whatever your political persuasion is, that you don't like
that's okay, though, you know that that that's that's good Christian.
You know, I'm on the side of the good people.

(48:46):
I'm on the good side, right uh. You know in
fact that that very divisiveness is more demonic than any
deck of cards could ever be on their best day.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
You know.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
And they won't see that. So Christians won't see all
of the flirting with the demons that they do on
a day to day basis, but they'll they'll pick out
the stereotypes like terror cards, astrology or anything else and saying, oh,
that's the money, that's the devil. I don't Harry Potter.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
You know, it's another example of logs and specs, isn't it?
It is?

Speaker 2 (49:19):
It really is?

Speaker 4 (49:19):
It really is because because if it's these extraordinary things,
if these if these extraordinary thing that's demonic possession, then
actually every time I give in to my sin, that's okay,
you know what I mean, because you know, I'm not
riding out on the floor. I'm not project al vomasing.
You know, I'm just defrauding the government, you know, through

(49:41):
the Social Security or I'm just you know, I'm you know,
I'm just gonna not call me more because she's a
bit annoying, you know, like you know that sort of thing.
So yeah, and also like these putting out putting putting
these things into into these categories is is I'm looking
at the defense man mechanism really and I get it,

(50:02):
like you know, yeah, I fly back and forth to
England a lot, so I'm on planes a lot, and probably,
you know, at forty thousand feet above the Bay of Bengal,
is not the time for me to start exploring in
a public lecture the signs of their travel and the

(50:27):
relativity of all of the things that it's based upon
and all the rest. Probably not the best time or place,
you know. So these categories do protect that I've said before.
You know, if you're in India and you see a
tiger in the forest, our brains are not wired to
say is it a friendly tiger? They're whie to say,

(50:47):
that's a bloody tiger. How do I get out of here?

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Right?

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Where's my gun? So these things can be useful, and
I don't want to completely tear apart people's support structures,
but they cannot. They can also create anxiety. Well, an
over reliance on these things actually can can cause mental discase.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
That's it. Yeah that you just said that hit the
nail on the head. It isn't the support structure so much.
That's the problem. It's when it becomes an obsession at
the exclusion of everything else that you lose your independent
thought or it really is it really is? I mean
that is Actually that is far more idolatrous than you know,

(51:29):
having perhaps a statue of some pagan god as a
decoration in your office like I do I have. I
have the Egyptian god Toth on my desk. And I've
had people, and I've had people who have been in
on video conferences, say why do you have that demonic
thing in your office? I thought you were a Christian,
but I thought you're a Catholic bishop. It's like, I

(51:51):
have that in there because I'm a Catholic bishop. Figure
that out and then come back and tell me why
you think it is so, because then you'll be a
little surprised as to why. You know, because the fact
that there is it is not an idol to me.
It's an idol to you. That's the problem. But they
don't want to hear that.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
That's why I wouldn't have my desk.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Oh why because of because of what someone else. Could
it be an idle to someone else. But that's not
necessarily your problem though. I mean, you know, if you're
putting leading someone to sin would be to put that
right next to you, right here, and be like, now
here's my big buddy. You know, it's like you want
to get to know him better now. That would be

(52:33):
leading someone astray, I think. But you know, merely having
an Egyptian artifact back there that represents you.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Know, it's not the only artifact you have. You have
representations for.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
The multiple reisions I do, and none of them are
idols to me. I don't even consider Look, I venerate
the cross in a religious context, but I do not
see the crucifixes in this house or the bipectoral cross
around my neck. And I'm celebrating liturgy as anything more
than a representation of my faith. It is not an idol,

(53:07):
not a talisman. It's not an idol it is you know.
That's why I was like, people are always surprised that
I can't believe you don't wear across if it.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
Is if people are wearing them as a talisman, I
would say take it off.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, because then you know you've turned it into something
pro a vane. Yeah, you know it does. So, I
mean honestly, anything could lead someone astray, right and in
that in that in that sense you could you could
certainly that could lead someone astray and and create a
problem for someone. And it's across and that does. I mean,
holy water leads people astray sometimes because they really think

(53:43):
they start to believe that the water is the power
instead of the faith that represents.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Do you ever notice in your ministry that a lot
of people who kind of you know, they've fallen away
from actually going to mass. Okay, so this is the
category of person I'm talking about. Somebody who is actually
you know, grown up or is has at least had
a conversion and been steeped in going to Mass and
the normal things of the church. Those who have stopped

(54:09):
doing that normally you come across them, like when I've
done funeral ministry and you meet up and their houses
are filled with religious tap. They're filled with it. Yeah,
because there's something lacking. They know they know better. You see,
they know that they're supposed to be at Mass on
Sunday in early days obligation. They're not going for all
sorts of one. You know, you know, they're in a

(54:32):
second marriage or whatever, you know, like there's or any
number of reasons why this happens. And by the way,
my response is pastoral, just to reassure. But there is
a type, you know, when you go in and there's
holy water by the door, and there's icons all over
the place, and there's crossings in every room and images

(54:52):
of our Lady, but they don't go to church any think. Well,
I'm not talking about people who are housebound, obviously, but
people who for no for no physical reason, are not
going to They just love all that stuff. And and
and actually it is an idol because it becomes a
replacement for the true response to God, and they know better.

(55:15):
I'm not talking about people who've never you.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Know, never been The Bible is the biggest idol of all.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because it is used as a
weapon against people. It is used everything else, everything else. Yeah,
it's true. It's the worst vidol of all of them.
And you don't need a golden calf. All you need
to do is have your King James handy, and you've
got all the idol you'll ever need right there. It's true. No,

(55:39):
it's very very true. And and that's that's a you
know warning. You know, there's a difference between a veneration
as an expression of faith and you know, putting your
faith into the object instead of God. You know, there's
a difference between the two. And I think that Christians
would do well to figure out which side of the

(56:02):
fence they're on in that regard and try to make
sure that they're focusing it in the right direction. Tangibility
is important, and I think that's why it happens. I
think some of it starts out innocent. I don't think
it's like they're looking for substitutes. They're not. But I
think God can feel so elusive to people so ethereal,
so distant, so far removed from any any sense of

(56:26):
understanding that you know. Holy water that you can feel
yourself get wet with kind of gives you a sense
of tangibility that maybe has an emotional provocation that seems
to connect you. But then it becomes a dependency. Then
that's where it goes wrong.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
So it's the twisting of a medicine into a poison.
I mean, the purpose of you know, visiting the sick
of the house bound holy water given them communion is
so that they can they know that they're still part
of the community.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
It's taking the community to them. That's the whole point.
And that's a good, virtuous and godly use of those items.
It's not supposed to be a replacement because you can't
be asked getting up on Sunday morning.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Right, yeah, well said, well said, Okay, we are going
to take our break here and when we come back,
we'll be talking with Riggan Forston about alien abductions, hypnotherapy,
and past life progression.

Speaker 10 (57:21):
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our shadows, dancing the strangers, our bodies, merging each flash story.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
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Speaker 1 (59:06):
In the accusing heart of night.

Speaker 7 (59:09):
The strokes through the darkness.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
It's not just a light, it's a beacon.

Speaker 7 (59:15):
The stroke becomes our guide.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
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Speaker 11 (59:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Welcome back everyone to Vestiges after dark. We're getting ready
now to start tonight's show on the topic of alien
abduction and how it relates to the past life regressions
and other hypnotic works that our guest tonight Rigan force
and conducts in his practice. It's really a very interesting thing.

(01:04:53):
I think you're going to find it fascinating. I know
I will. Anything aliens is going to be good. Yeah,
it's always going to be good. So I don't go anywhere.
We'll see where this leads after this. Okay, everybody, Our

(01:06:15):
guests tonight, which I am very excited about, I have
to say, very very excited. Is Reagan Forsten. He's a
board member of the Newton Institute and organization with more
than two hundred and fifty certified facilitators in forty six
countries exploring what happens between death and rebirth through Life
between Lives hypnosis. With over sixty five thousand sessions, their

(01:06:38):
research offers one of the most detailed maps of the
afterlife ever compiled. Reagan is author of Three Hours, thirty
three Minutes in Heaven, based on his own near death experience,
and he practices quantum healing hypnosis, helping clients find physical
and emotional relief through deep state regression. A world traveler

(01:06:58):
and lifelong performer, he has he has been everything from
a magician and comedian to a Hollywood actor and hitnotherapist.
His adventures from Las Vegas stages to cartel kidnappings in
Mexico have shaped his mission to understand the soul's journey
and share it with the world. Please welcome back to
Vestages after Dark Reginforced and how you doing.

Speaker 7 (01:07:22):
Regain Welcome, Hi, Chris, Chris. I'm so glad you're.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
Great to see you. I owe you an email.

Speaker 7 (01:07:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
I know.

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
I don't life life.

Speaker 9 (01:07:38):
Right now.

Speaker 7 (01:07:39):
It's been it really does feel and I really think
that there's something to this that the time is changing
right now. It's speeding up, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
I mean we.

Speaker 7 (01:07:50):
Just months go by just so it feels like it. Well,
I've got a theory now, this is just my theory
on this because of the work I do. It seems
in't the space if you want to call it space
between here and Heaven is getting thinner and thinner, more
thin and thin. And it's like what I found out
this we could do a whole other show on this

(01:08:11):
experiments I've been doing with no time and space on
the other side, and I've been having some remarkable things
happen where I'm realizing that in heaven, it's like it's
all now, there is no time and space. It's it's
just something. But it seems to me that the thinner
the wall gets between here and the other side, the
more we're kind of getting to where there's no time

(01:08:32):
and space, where there's just this moment, and you know,
it just seems that I don't know, it's just my
take on it, because I just can't believe how fast
a month goes by now and then with all this
thing about aliens now, all this thing about all the
new revelations kind of happening, like the world's all the

(01:08:54):
turmoil in the world right now and everything, it's just.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
It's just, you know, speed of the news cycle is
part of it too. Yeah, yous just get forgotten that
we're really significant events, but it's like no, no, next, next, next, next, next,
you know.

Speaker 7 (01:09:12):
So I'm starting to understand somehow this thing about no
time and space. I'll just give you real quick on
that because in another show sometime we could talk more
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
But yeah, definitely that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:24):
I'd love to have clients and they go to a
past life, they see themselves pass away, and then I
have them I say Okay, now tell me what happens next.
I said, like, rise above that scene, they see their funeral,
they rise above that scene, and I'll say, now, tell
me what happens next. I'll say, look around. Is there's

(01:09:45):
somebody there and all of a sudden there's a guide
or an angel. It seems to be the protocol is
that when you leave this human your human body, there's
always somebody there, like a welcoming committee in a sense,
or someone there to hold you in a sense and
to you know, help you to acclimate yourself on your

(01:10:05):
journey back, you know where you go. A lot of times,
if people have significant, really traumatized deaths that they go through,
they're a little bit disoriented when they're first out of
their out of their body. We had a case where
a young woman goes to the past life and her
boyfriend strangled her to death. So she's out of her
body looking down. Her guide's right next to her, and

(01:10:27):
she's still looking down at her dead body, and she's going, oh,
I should have fought back. I should have you know,
he shouldn't let him kill me. And the guides next
to her, I'm just paraphracing her, and he kind of
taps her on the shoulder and says, you're not dead. Yeah,
it was there. It was this beginning of her realizing
that she's not in that body anymore, and you know

(01:10:49):
a little bit. So what I always do with my
clients when they see that's I'll pass away having to
go at their funeral. Some of them want to stay
around a little bit because they don't want to go
home yet because someone's grieving so bad. And so in
this research we're doing, we say, okay, I'm going to
be quiet for a little bit. Ony, don't you go
do your thing, and then when you're done, let me
know what you did to try to get through to

(01:11:11):
the people down there that you're okay, that you're on
the other side. So I'm quiet for a little bit,
and they'll say, okay, I'm done, and I'll say, what
do you do? Most common thing they say is that
they implanted themselves in their kids' dreams. Or one client
said he was a man in that lifetime and he

(01:11:37):
used to have this thing with his wife where she'd
be reading a book all the time. He'd go up
behind her and kind of blow on her ear a
little bit, you know, so that he had passed away.
He said he was by his wife, and he says
he was using all of his spiritual energy and he
just kept concentrating, concentrating. All of a sudden, she goes
like this, and she goes, oh my god, that's you,
isn't it, you know? And he goes, now, it's okay

(01:11:59):
for me to go, you know. So, I mean, there's
all kinds of ways they can make light flickers on
and off in the house, or that's what the electronics somehow.
I mean, there's this all kinds of ways we're finding
out that they let us know. And a lot of
people you've probably talked to Bishop, you or people that
in Father Chris, that you know, people that people will
pass away and they'll say to you, like I just
felt at the funeral, I could feel them there. Yeah,

(01:12:22):
they'll say, just after they passed, I opened my eyes
in for a second, I thought I saw them or
something like that. Well, we're just trying to find out
more information on that, you know kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
My father had experienced that very thing that you're talking
about in a very profound way. He went to his
His father died when he was thirteen and so relatively young.
He had lung cancer. He was a very heavy smoker.
And then another I think his uncle. It was his uncle. Yes,

(01:12:53):
his favorite uncle died several years later. And when he
was at that funeral, he was in the church, Catholic funeral,
and they were all standing while the rites were being performed,
and something just made him look back towards the back
of the church. And in the back of the church

(01:13:15):
he saw his father standing there with in a white suit,
all dressed in a pure white suit, with two other
dead family members, and and he called attention to it,
like I think, I don't know if he was with
his mother or whatever, but he said, he said, look,
look behind me, look look over there. And she couldn't

(01:13:38):
see it, no one could see it. He saw it,
and it was and it was gone. You know. So
this is a what you say is correct. It's very
common for people to report this kind of thing or
to not just feel the presence but actually see them
standing there.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
I think this is the norm. I mean, when my
grandfather died. You know, my grandfather was a was a
a big man. You know, he was tall and you know,
square shouldered and a rugby player, but he was also
he had a big voice, you know, like he was
a huge presence in our family, like you know, the

(01:14:16):
a form of a unifying presence in our family. And
when he died, you know, even though you know he
was in his eighties, it was still shocking, you know,
because it just seemed invincible. And and my grandmother said, yeah,
he stock around for two weeks. You know, she felt
the weight on the couch sitting next to her, and
he stoock around for two weeks. And you know, my

(01:14:39):
grandmother was a perfectly rational, rational person that she wasn't
on meds, you know. And I just think that is
the norm. I think that is the norm.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
It's definitely considered normal in the East. I mean they
in all of the Eastern religions absolutely, So it's it's
a very pervasive things, not just a belief system. It's
based upon people's actual experience. So but you know, what
I've always found interesting, Reagan, and and why I really
wanted to do this show with you tonight, is that

(01:15:12):
there seems to be a strange connection with what we
have traditionally understood to be you know, spirituality and this
phenomenon that some people report about UFOs and aliens and
aliens abduction. There seems to be certain correlations between the two.

(01:15:34):
It fascinates me because unlike near death experience. I mean,
I've come close to dying a couple of times, and
I did have experiences, but I never had anything that
would be in the range of what you've described with
near death experience is nothing like what Jamie's talked about.
But what I have had are the beginning parts of

(01:15:57):
alien abduction twice in my life, and in very much
in a waking state. So it wasn't like it was
some kind of like half way state. I was very
much awake in these both of these moments, and it
was a very strange experience. Something felt very off about it.

(01:16:17):
So when I heard that, you know, in some of
your regressions and even perhaps things that you've experienced directly,
have had encounters with people reporting this kind of thing,
And certainly in our own ministry, we have had people
that have come and said that they have had an
experience that definitely qualifies under classic alien abduction, but they

(01:16:38):
go to an exorcist because they don't know who to
go to when they have this happen, and so they
relate it back to the spiritual there's this funny thing
about those two things that seems to be connected. And
then add to it all of this semi disclosure that's
going on right now, you know, with people talking more

(01:16:59):
freely on the news about UFOs and UAPs, and you
got this comment that's out there right now that this
Harvard professor swears is an alien spacecraft. Yeah, there's a
lot of strange things going on that you know, ten
years ago, mainstream media wouldn't have touched any of this.
Now they're talking about it all the time. Something's going on. Yeah,

(01:17:20):
So I'd like to know what have you been seeing
in your work? What are you encountering that's you know,
it sits light on this.

Speaker 7 (01:17:28):
As researchers, a number of three or four years ago,
we started asking the question when people when we have
them in the afterlife, and they're like before the council,
and everybody that does this Life between Lives session, ninety
eight percent of them have all had a council that
they go to. It's all everybody's counsel seems to be

(01:17:49):
unique to them. You know, I don't where it's the
same council the time. For people, it's like these other
angels or guides or people that are way up on
the spiritual adder a lot more than us, and they're
there too, they know all about you and you can
ask them questions. Well, when we get there, they prepare
questions ahead of time that they want to ask about
their life, about their life's mission, their life's purpose, whether

(01:18:12):
they hope to learn or teach, and they get answers
to all that, which is really really great. But at
some point now we're asking the question and we'll say,
when they're in that state, we'll say, have you ever
incarnated on another planet or another dimension? And that about
thirty percent of the time now they go yes, And
then I go, okay, cool, and so ask the counselor.

(01:18:32):
I'll say, can we leave the counselor for a little bit,
can my client take me there and to this lifetime
that they had and to describe to me what that
place is like, what did they look like, and that
sort of thing. So I'm just when that happens, I
start getting hair on my arm come up because I
know it's going to be something.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:18:52):
So the first guy had was a doctor actually, and
he actually had just get to where the council was.
He had gone to a past life where he was
a woman named Victoria in England, in London back in
it was like eighteen hundreds of something, and so in

(01:19:14):
this lifetime he's a doctor and the other lifetime he
was a woman married to a doctor rich and she
was she got lost on one of the streets in
London there and she got mugged and stabbed to death,
and so she's out of her body and then we,
you know, get her to the place of a juvenation
and we go to the council and there I asked

(01:19:35):
that question, and all of a sudden he takes me
this place. He's on a spaceship actually, and he's got
a co pilot, and so I said, well, what are
you What are you doing? And I said, where did
you come from? And he says, well, our planet has
a predicament because we have a planet that has it's
like light fifty for fifty years and then it's dark

(01:19:58):
for like fifty years. And as during that time period
when it's dark, they use up a lot of their resources,
their minerals are things that they need to live in
that time and it was depleting. So he was on
a mission to go to other planets to find out
where they had those minerals so they could go there
and mind them and take them back to their planet.
And then all of a sudden, it's funny. I'm thinking

(01:20:22):
that he's in trance and looking. All of a sudden
he goes f and copilot and I said, what happened?
He said, you know, it's funny because he's in trance,
I need to say co pilot, right, And he took
like took a wrong turn and they crashed on his planet.
That's how he.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Died, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:20:39):
So when he look out of that, he goes, what
the heck was that all about? He says, I'm there's
no way I'm going to make that up, you know.
But he could actually see himself and and his pilot.
But that was one description of his planet.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
So did he describe what he looked like?

Speaker 7 (01:20:58):
Well, I didn't get to that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Died right before the good part, right, my damn co pilot.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Time.

Speaker 7 (01:21:11):
But then I started getting more savvy as I as
I'm doing these sessions, because I've done well, probably an
since I was on her show last year, about one
hundred and twenty more sessions. And yeah, I'll tell you
something happened about that too. Whether they told me to
slow down. I said, my body can't handle it. So
I'm in the process of trying to do less now. Anyway, Well,

(01:21:35):
I'll tell you how it happened. Have a client trance,
she's in a past life. She she's with her guide.
We're taking care of her business. And then my client
says to me, she says, Reagan, my guide wants to
talk to you. And so I'm thinking, oh my god,
what I do wrong or is it going to chew
me out for something or whatever? And then I said,
what's you want to say? And through her, you know,
she says, he says, Reagan, you need to slow down.

(01:21:56):
You're doing too much of this work. I said, okay, gotcha.
So two weeks later, have another client in trance at Reagan,
my guide wants to talk to you. Another person, another guide,
whole different than the other. The guy says, Rihan, you
know you can't do as much as you're doing. You
need to slow down. I said, okay, I got you. Okay,

(01:22:17):
So three weeks later, I'm going to give a talk
at a spiritual convention about this process that everybody can
visit heaven for a while. And the person just before
me was a renowned medium. She was giving a talk
about mediumship or something, and I thought, well, let me
go here the last part of her talk and then
I'll be ready for my talk. So I walked into
the door and I'm just walking. You find a seat.

(01:22:40):
She's given a talk about something. All of a sudden
she looks, She looks, and she goes, sir, I don't
know who you are, but they're telling me you need
to slow down. I finally got it, Okay. I needed
to have that happen, I think in the physical still
because of my silly mind of going, oh this happened,

(01:23:00):
Is this really happening or something?

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:23:02):
So that was kind of that proof they were showing
me that they're watching out for me, you know. And
I was told, as you remember in the previous shows,
I was coming back down to earth. I'm with my
guide and I'm looking at the earth, how beautiful it is.
And my guide says, Reagan, are you sure you want
to do this work? And I knew he meant the
spiritual work that I'm doing now, and I screamed from
my gut, you know, yes, you know, just I have

(01:23:23):
to listen to it on the tape again. Because it
sounded like I screamed at like twenty of me screaming
at yes. And then as I started, as we started
getting closer back down to Earth, I'm in trance, but
I start feeling all this emotional pain. It was like, oh,
it was not good. It was not pleasant at all.
So my guide stops me and he says, well, Reagan,
since you said you're going to do this work, you've

(01:23:44):
opened yourself to be more of an impath. And he says,
as we're getting closer to Earth, you're starting to feel
the pain of the Earth. And I thought, at that
very moment, as I'm looking at the earth, how much
pain is like at this moment, is we're doing the show,
how much pain is going on in people's life lives
right now, bishop, you know, with with deaths, with pain,

(01:24:05):
with all the things that human beings do. So he said,
I'm going to tell you to do four things. And
he says, if you don't do these four things and
you're doing this work, your physical body won't be able
to hand the energy that's going through you and you'll die.
So I said, okay, can we talk for a minute.
Half What am I getting myself into here?

Speaker 12 (01:24:26):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:24:27):
So he showed me an hour glass in my mind
and somehow that's what the picture that appeared as he's
talking to me, and I saw myself seeing clients, and
I saw in that hour glass, I saw the sand
piling up and nothing was going down to the bottom,
and it kept going up, and I realized, okay, the
sand gets at the top. That's cinara, you know kind
of thing. So he said, do these four things, he says,

(01:24:48):
when you wake up, and I think this will help
the people that are that are listening right now too.
The first thing he wants everybody to do, including me,
especially as you open your eye in the morning, declare
yourself as a vehicle for good, for love. Okay. In
other words, just look up and say, hey, angels, God whatever.

(01:25:09):
I'm going to put more pluses on the board today
as many as I can, maybe a couple of minus
as I know, I'm human, you know, I'm going to
do a few things. I'm going to practice being the
best person I could be today. And when you start
off with that, it sets the template for your day.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:25:24):
And he said, spend more time in nature. He says,
that's God's gift to all of us that nature is
something that downregulates a person, that it helps a person
to heal. It's very important to spend time in nature
or you know, walk in the flower garden, you know,
hugod tree or whatever you got to do. But that'll
help you, Okay. The third thing he said is to

(01:25:46):
do as many random acts of kindness as you can.
That's for all of us. And I saw myself walking
into a seven to eleven store and someone threw a
Snickers wrapper on the ground and I just picked it up,
put it in the trash and I saw say it
going down to the bottom. And then the fourth thing
was a practical thing. He says, talk to other therapists
and ask them how they ground themselves. And I remember

(01:26:07):
getting some techniques when I was in hypnotherapy school, but
I just hadn't been real good at, you know, doing that,
you know, so you know, might you know, I think
Jesus would say the same thing. You know, just declare
yourself as you're going to just you're going to be
good today, and I've given you nature. It's going to
help you heal and be kind to everybody in the day.

(01:26:27):
Do little things open the door for someone that you
wouldn't orderly for you know, uh, pick up someone's trash.
You know, all those things add to the collective of
good you know that way. So anyway, I didn't realize
until I decided to do your show, and I had
to think back again when I was four years old

(01:26:48):
and had my first out of body experience where I'm
sleeping and all of a sudden, I'm on the ceiling
looking down at my body, and then all of a sudden,
I'm back in my body and I can see an
orb above me, and I know that's me, and then
I'm back in the orb look in my body and
scared me so much. I just jumped up and ran
into my dad's room. And what do you do when
you're four years old, you know, I don't know room,

(01:27:09):
And so my dad came with a broomstick and says,
they said, no, there's no ghosts or something, you know,
And then for the next three nights. But here's what
I realized that happened, and it might be similar to
what happened to you Bishop too. I remember laying in
bed and I saw what appeared to be three orbs
come through my wall of my room. I got a

(01:27:31):
little scared, and I closed my eyes and then I
could feel myself being lifted up, and the next thing
I could feel is somebody walking me back and putting
me back down again. And this is at the time
in the fifties and when all these abductions and stuff
and things were happening, you know. But on the fourth day,
the only thing I could think because I was afraid

(01:27:52):
to go to sleep because it happened three nights in
the row. So on the fourth night, I put my
back up against my headboard there and my solution as
a four year old, was to not go to sleep.
So I lay back and I remember going like this,
trying to hold my eyes.

Speaker 9 (01:28:07):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:28:08):
Eventally I knotted off, and when I opened my eyes
there was two like angelic beings standing in my room.
I remember them. They were in white. I didn't scare
me at all.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
I was not.

Speaker 7 (01:28:20):
It just was like there was so much love that
I felt, and they just telepathically or something said to me,
it's okay, we won't let this happen to you again.
You can go to sleep, and I remember just okay,
and I went down and then, you know, I was
fine until I was in my twenties. And that's I
think part of what I talked about before, where I
had a out of body experience where I found myself

(01:28:40):
in the heavenly world and came back in my body
and my fear of death left, and I started searching
everything about God and all religions and everything like that.
So I didn't think of until recently. I just remembered
the two angelic beings telling me everything was all right,
and the out of body thing, But then I forgot
about that seeing those orbs come through my wall, you know,

(01:29:00):
and other people have described lot. There's a therapist and
I think maybe I'll do a session with him and
just kind of go back. But I've told that story
so much to myself. I'm thinking, you know, the power
of the mind, and if maybe I've just made all
this stuff up because I've thought about it so much,
you know, But maybe I was abducted, you know, I
don't know. But so when a man came to me

(01:29:23):
a couple of years ago, and Francisco, I think he
wouldn't mind me saying his name no one, because it's
a lot of Francisco's in Los.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Angeles, that's true. Yeah, more than a few, I think.

Speaker 7 (01:29:35):
Really nice guy. We kept. You know, every time I
go to LA and do sessions down there, I would
contact him. Says this is the right time, and it
never was. But on the fourth or fifth trip down there,
coming from San Francisco down there, he says, yeah, I
got to see I got to see you because I
really it's just I really think I was abducted. So anyway,
long story short, we do a session. This guy was

(01:29:58):
a professional boxer. He was younger, and he was training
to fight I forget the guy's name, but one of
the most famous middleweight champions of the world, and he
would they were going to set up a fight with him.
He leaves the gym one day, he's walking down the
street and he gets shot in the back. And what
happened was he and his brother look a lot alike

(01:30:18):
and they missed this guy that his brother had this
thing with, thought it was him and shot him in
the back.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
Wow, I think I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Yeah, that sounds familiar.

Speaker 7 (01:30:28):
Yeah, ruined his career there. So anyway to get to
the chaser, we get him in hypnosis. He finds himself
on the spaceship. He's on a bed and there's these
like the Grays that are there that are doing stuff
to him, and there's a little partition, but he sees
he was in a car. Okay, he's in a car
with his sister and they're they're on the outskirts of

(01:30:51):
Los Angeles in daylight. Okay. He remembers just kind of
glancing up and when he's driving and saw something kind
of like the next thing he knows, it's like two
hours later and they'd only gone a few miles, you know,
and he just had this weird filling all the time.
So it was this missing time, which is pretty common subductees. Yeah, anyway,

(01:31:12):
and hypnosis. He's on this you know, in this bed,
probably on a ship somewhere. He sees his sister's legs
sticking out from this partition and sees this alien kind
of going to her. He jumped up out of there
and started boxing. He's a boxer. He punched. He started
beating up on one of the aliens there, and then
they subdued him, and next thing he knew, he's back
in the you know, he's in the car that way.

(01:31:35):
So the thing that made it real though, was when
he tried to discuss this with the sister. This is
like twenty years later, now his sister just freaks out.
She won't talk about anything. She just says, we're not
talking about that and just leave it at that, and
she starts freaking out. So shared experience, Yeah, that was

(01:31:55):
that was something else there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Okay. So now.

Speaker 7 (01:32:00):
A couple of weeks ago, well, when I was on
Coast to Coast and we were talking about what we're
talking about today, and right after someone heard me on
Coast to Coast and they called me up and says, look,
I got to do a session with you because maybe
I think I was abducted. So I did a session
with him through Zoom, you know, which this believable. God's
allowed us to do these sessions on Zoom and we

(01:32:21):
have just the same success. Right about ninety percent people
go to the afterlife and back is seeing him in person.
So we found out when he's before the council and
he just asked the council, he says, was that an
alien abduction? And his guy just standing next to him
just smiles him and says, no, that was me. You know,
because what he remembers when he's four or five years

(01:32:42):
old is waking up and there's an orange orb that's
floating around in his room. That came several nights and
nothing happened. He only remembers that orb, so he thought, oh,
an orb, maybe I was abducted and I don't remember it,
but his guide says, no, I was. That was when
you were young, and I was just checking.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
On you, you know, so you know that was what
that was.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
So yeah, See, this is what's interesting to me about
it is that there definitely seems to be a bit
of a divide between the types of experience. Is one
that seems to be largely positive or benevolent in structure,
and one that seems more menacing. Grays tend to seem
to be the more menacing experience. That's where you get

(01:33:23):
like the anal probes and all the yeah, all the
things that seem to freak people out. My experience in
this particular context was more of the gray alien though
I don't recall ever being abducted. I just saw them
in the room and they were observing me. And this
happened on two separate occasions, but within a year of

(01:33:45):
each other, so it was only one year it happened,
and very very unusual experience. But what I would like
to try to figure out here is. And I think
this is where you get with some Christian groups that
have dismissed alien abductions as just demonic deceptions. They don't

(01:34:07):
think there are aliens. They think it's just demons pretending
to be aliens or whatever. And it's because of the
menacing aspects of how a lot of the people that
have these are are truly traumatized by them. They're not
they're not positive ones. They're not They're not of an
angelic or celestial kind of of nature. So have you

(01:34:32):
had anybody that had something very traumatic and maybe you know,
gave some insight to you as to who are they?
Are they aliens? Are they some kind of like interdimensional
being or something from is it from another planet? Are
they using UFOs?

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
Do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
You have you had anybody report anything back to you
that would suggest that it's going in one direction where
you could draw conclusion say this is what I think
it is now.

Speaker 7 (01:34:58):
I haven't with my client myself, but with the research
that was done by Dolores Cannon, you know, which was
a contemporary Michael Newton. She has volumes and volumes and
book two or three books out that's about the alien
agenda and she would be doing similar the same work
as me, and she'd be working with a client, and
then her client, all of a sudden, an alien being

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would be talking through the client directly to her and
said that they chose her to write about this because
they wanted to tell what the alien agenda was when
all of these things were. And that shocked her at first,
because we're just coming through a client that was in trance,
and all of a sudden, here's this being saying I'm
this alien so and so, and this is what I
want you to know. And she just at first she

(01:35:42):
didn't know what to think about that. But then she's
in another country a couple of weeks later, she's with
a different client, different sex, and all of a sudden,
that same being comes out again.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:35:53):
It kept happening over and over and over again, and
little by little gave her enough information for her to
write a book. If people look up Dolores Cannon, there's
like sixteen books. You can tell by the title.

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
I think it's The.

Speaker 7 (01:36:07):
Guardians, Guardians of the Guardians of Earth, or Guardians of
the Galaxy. But okay, when I read those books, the
information I got from there and I had to kind
of believe what she said because I'm doing the same
work and we're having all this phenomena happen, so I
have to like and so much of it happened, and
the way it happened made it be so believable. It

(01:36:28):
wasn't just one person, but many, many, many, and this
would happen, so it became kind of believable. But from
what I gathered was is that they mean us no harm,
and what we're actually doing is we're helping them to
save their civilization because they had they were they claimed

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to be from someplace else or another from another dimension,
but they had cloned themselves out of their DNA. It's
been totally messed up, and their civilization is in the
process of becoming no more. Because so what they're coming
down is doing taking some stuff from us to take

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to their planet so that they can re introduce the
DNA and everything like that to save their civilization. Now
I've heard other books, there's other books out on this,
and other people on Gaya you know that don't platform them.
They're talking about it, and so I'm just you know,
the information I'm getting that it's not firsthand, but it
seems to be a lot of information out there. And

(01:37:33):
what I have heard also is just like people that
there's aliens out there that we just assume step on
us like a bug. You know, the good ones right now,
the ones that are all there for our spiritual development
and for to try to help us to evolve as
a planet and everything that those that it's mostly benevolent,

(01:37:54):
you know. So if Spaceship's start to come here, we
got to you know, we don't want to shoot the
good guys. You know, we have to learn how to distinguish,
you know. But the more that I do this work,
and the more when I'm doing this and I asked
people if they ever incarnated on another planet or dimension,
and the more that i'm they're saying yes, and then
they're able to take me there. And it shocks them

(01:38:15):
as much as me. You know, when they when they're
when they come out of trance and they think, well,
I thought I was kind of making stuff up until
we got to the Alien Park because that was so
foreign to anything they could imagine. They had that and
it just must all be meant to be. Because I
was in Los Angeles two months ago and back to

(01:38:36):
back had two men that came in in my office
down there in la and back to back they found
themselves as aliens and past lives. Here was one. It
was very interesting. So I had them we have you know,
people usually see a tunnel or a golden doorway or
something that they needed to pass through, and they walked
past there and all of a sudden, there in another

(01:38:56):
time and place where they're like like, oh my gosh,
you know, I'm somewhere else, you know. So a person
went there and they were above like the Earth, and
they were looking down at like I would say Antarctica.
It was just snow, just nothing but snow. But they
were above, they weren't even down on the Earth. So

(01:39:17):
I said, well, let's find out if you ever went
down and onto the surface of wherever you're at. And
so all of a sudden they're on the surface and
I said, well, what's the temperature like? And then my
client says it's fine. So that confused me because I'm thinking, Okay,
if they're an antarchis there and they're there and some
sort of body, they're going to be cold or something,

(01:39:38):
you know. And the person I said, well, put your
hands out in front of you and tell me, you know,
you know, what do you look like? And then my
client in trance says, I don't think I'm human. He says,
what I'm Yeah, I says, I'm in a space suit,
you know. So now I'm thinking this is weird. He
doesn't think he's human. He's in a space suit of
some sort, some protective something. And so I'm thinking, is

(01:40:01):
did he go into the future somehow or whatever? Or
it was it was very so I would intrigued. So
I said, I said, let's back up a little bit.
I want you to take me to where you where
you were born, where you were created, where you lived
or something. And all of a sudden, he's above this planet.
He's coming down into spaceship and he says that the

(01:40:22):
cities were in these big, giant like glassid domes. I
mean they probably were, you know, one hundred miles big
or something, and you could see it from the planet.
There was scattered around the planet, these big, old giant domes.
And apparently there's a way to get into the dome.
So he lands in there. He's walking on a marble
floor and I so I said, let's let's find out

(01:40:44):
where you reside, where you have your meals, where you live,
and so in trance. You know, it's just confusing him too,
because he's looking in this room. It says, how many
other people in your where you live? And it was like,
he says, looks like nine or ten. And he goes
and they all look like me. He says, they look
just like me. You know, let's go back to your childhood,

(01:41:06):
like were your parents or something? He says, I don't
have parents, and found out long story short, he was
an alien gray. He was a clone, one of the
little guys, and he knew that he was specifically cloned.
So to do research, you know, to be sent out
a spaceships to do research. And the look on my
client's faces when this has happened is just it makes

(01:41:27):
you believe it really quick, because they have this incredulous
look on their face, like their human self can't believe
what they're seeing. But they are there and this is
what they're experiencing. Okay. So I had him go to
when he passed away, and it was like it was
like he had an expiration date. You know, he's just
kind of just food in his spirit left his body.
You know. So that was a shocker to him. Now,

(01:41:50):
the next day gets even more strange. So I have
this other guy. They didn't know each other. I mean,
these are just two different guys. Okay, yeah, and time
it wasn't before the council even where I said, hey,
can have you ever lived in another planet or something?
When I had him go to a past life, he
came out the tunnel and there I had him put

(01:42:10):
his hands out in front and he's he's putting his
hands out in front of him, and he goes, he goes, oh,
he says, says, they looked like a lizard, and they
look like a you know, they're they're not human, but
there were hands and so and he says, and they're
they're solid. And then they're not solid. He says, I'm
looking at him and they're kind of there. Then they're

(01:42:32):
kind of holographic. Then they're kind of then they're kind
of solid, and they're not. So since i'd had the
other guy the day before, I said, let's see what
your planet looks like. Okay, So he's he's going back
down to his planet, and all of a sudden he's
describing his planet to me. He says, his planet was

(01:42:53):
the same way as his hands. It was kind of solid,
and then it was kind of see through a little bit,
and then it was kind of solid, kind of was
like shape shifting or something, you know, just back like
wasn't just it was like a different sort of physicalness,
like kind of physical kind of non physical like. So
there I found out in asking more questions and everything,

(01:43:17):
he found himself. I said, let's go to an important event.
He was in front like a teacher, and he was
wearing a long white gown. He was reptilian, you know,
he was looking at his hands that were more like
a reptile kind of like. And he was teaching a
class on how to manipulate energy, you know, teaching these
other young reptilians or whatever they're like college like how

(01:43:38):
they manipulate and change energy and stuff. I had him
go to another important event. He's before, like a tribunal
I don't know if that's right, or something like a
council of wise beings. And I said, what are you doing?
And they were kind of knighting him in a way
because of his mission that he was sent off on.
And I said, anyway, long story short, his mission he

(01:44:00):
was came down to earth. This was before there were
people here. Because he said there's no people here, It's
just Earth. And he kept saying in trance, he kept saying,
it's so beautiful. Oh my god, there's the mountains, the oceans,
the stuff, and it's so solid, you know, And it
was just he just couldn't get over from compared to

(01:44:21):
his planet, how solid and beautiful this place was.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:44:24):
I don't remember how he died at the moment, but
I'm sitting there having the guy the first day being
that one, and now this guy here, and both of
them afterwards they just said, man, he says, what the
heck was that?

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
You know? You know what that evokes in me is
the belief by some that the Earth was seated with
alien DNA, that they took primates and mixed primate DNA
with their own DNA, and thus Homo sapiens were created
from the two, and that's what we are. And so

(01:45:01):
perhaps that in this in this view, I'm not saying
I subscribe to this one, but I know there are
those that do.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
There they watch over us because we're sort of there.
I don't know if you call it an experiment or
if it was something else, but that's one of the beliefs.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
It made me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
Think of that when you say that he saw himself
on earth, but before that we were here. That makes
you want to well, what were they doing here? Right?

Speaker 7 (01:45:29):
Well, I'm kind of subscribing to that. The more that
I do this because in this research we're doing, when
we found out that we're we're created, and there's where
God created, This is in heaven and we talk about
going back home, that's our true home. I mean, that's
where God creatives and there's no reincarnation because we have
one life because we created over there. But we're just

(01:45:51):
taking that energy that we are because over there you're
just you're just a glob of beautiful energy, conscious energy,
and we're taking some of our energy putting it in
different bodies to have experience, you know, to learn or
to be even more god like or whatever. And so
when I look at it that way, because of the
research we're doing, it makes it more believable to me
that as that being in heaven. And look at this,

(01:46:16):
the new telescope that's going out there now, you guys,
I mean, we can't even we're just we can't even
believe now how they're going. They were like six billion
years out they could see and now it's like forty
billion years out right, see with no end in sight.
So to me what I'm I don't know. This last
year has just been I keep feeling that God's giving

(01:46:38):
me a bigger and more pieces, more pieces than that
little bit at a time, because it kind of overwhelms me.
Sometimes I have to keep expanding my awareness. And it's
like just like when they show our planet now from
the telescope out there, and we're like a tiny little
thing you can barely see amongst zillions of other you know,

(01:46:58):
galaxies and all that. It appears to me that God's
creation is something that is human beings we almost can't comprehend.
When I've had people over there ask they'll say, okay,
I'm in. I mean, I'm experiencing Heaven. Now let me
see God face to face. I'm going to see God
face to face. They kind of smile at you and

(01:47:19):
laugh a little bit, kind of tease you a little
bit because they go, God, He's bigger than Heaven.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:47:25):
In a sense, I'm just saying, it's just but over
there they feel love on a deeper level. They feel
the presence or whatever this God is, you know, the
presence more but it's almost indescribable, just like just like
the vastness of the universe of what God actually is.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:47:45):
But and people ask a lot of times they say, okay, counsel,
I'm here, tell me what's the one religion. I'm going
to go down and do it, you know, And you
know what they get. They'll just say, they'll say, look,
a lot of souls, as they're developing, they need to
have structure, they need to have certain religions. And you've
probably if you found one that resonates with you that's

(01:48:06):
making you feel like you're progressing spiritually and becoming more
of a loving person. He says, that's probably where in
this incarnation you need to be, and it's all you know.
But they'll say, the one true religion is love and kindness,
wherever you find it. I have people asking, well, what's
the best spiritual practice, and they'll say, prayer, meditation. You know,
anytime that you go deep within yourself and coming from

(01:48:30):
your heart and talking to God, it puts you in
kind of a semi transtate, you know, that way.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
True, that's true. I mean, I got so many questions
for you, Riga, but I've got you for another hour. Father, Chris,
you only have them for about eight more minutes, So
do you have any questions for him before you have
to I know you have to leave at the third hour,
so I want to give you a chance.

Speaker 4 (01:48:52):
To leave.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
A damn time zone.

Speaker 4 (01:48:58):
Yeah, so I guess the fundamental question is does your
email offer still stand? Because if he does, then I
will be contacting you within the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 7 (01:49:07):
So I just love I'd love to have a scotch
with you or something, or some beers exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
We will definitely do that.

Speaker 7 (01:49:17):
I wrote one down here, I said. When I talked
to Chris, I got to tell him I just did
a session from a person in Australia from Sydney.

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
Right, yeah, yeah, I did it on Zoom and I
mean Sydney now I live in Sydney.

Speaker 7 (01:49:27):
Now Sydney now, Okay, he'd never been to America. Before
he goes to a past life. I have him look
down at his feet and he's wearing like moccasins.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:49:37):
Come to find out he's an American Indian. You know,
some play time he's because he's describing the tps he's got.
He's got a wonderful life. He's so happy. He's got
his child, his wife, they're very, very happy. I had
him go to an important event. He's running through the
woods with his holding his baby and with his wife

(01:49:57):
running through the woods, and there are men different colored
skin white that are chasing them through the woods and
they end up. He gets shot in the back and dies,
his wife dies, his babe. They killed all three of them.
They're on the other side, all three of them together.
And I asked him, but his wife's right there and
so is his child, like, well, are you okay? What's happening?

(01:50:18):
And they were okay because they died together. You know,
Now there was God took them all at one time,
so they didn't have that if they were down in
the human body and then the wife died and then
husband's got to grieve or you know whatever. But they
were out of their body, all together still as a family.
So I had them all go to this place of
rejuvenation and then they went, you know, the husband and

(01:50:39):
I mean the wife and the baby went back up
to heaven. And then we asked him questions about his
current life. But he says, never been to America, and
I know a little bit about Indians. But he said
that was the most incredible feeling. He says, I could
just feel so when he's out of his body, I
had him look over and he says it looked like
they were killing the whole tribe, you know, and they
were had blue uniforms on and describe them as white.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:51:03):
So I bet you I was back, you see, friend,
that was my Australian story.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
Interesting, well, I mean, just fight your slow down. Are
you planning oncoming from Australia anytime soon?

Speaker 7 (01:51:18):
That's when it's on my bucket list.

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
We want you to have got great office on at
the moment. If you're California based, it's an easy flight.

Speaker 7 (01:51:26):
Yeah, it's well, what, uh twelve hours or something like
that or no, it's a long yeah, that's you know.
We've been to, we went to we had a Michael
Newton Institute reunion in in Barcelona last November. That's when
I went to The Afterlife a third time. We have
swapped sessions back there, so in another podcast, I can

(01:51:48):
tell it was kind of brief and quick, but it
was it was beautiful, you know, the experience that I had.
And it's funny now because even I know we have
this pot, this this thing that anybody now can go
visit after life for a few hours. It's it's just
easy to do. And I've been three times now and
it's like I don't really have a desire to go
there now because they've identified what my mission is, what

(01:52:11):
I'm supposed to be doing and learning in this life now.
So I'm just concentrating on that, and i know the
other will just come. So, you know, it's just like, hey,
you need some help, Okay, just go out there, go
to the council, like going to some life coach down
here to help you out with what's going on, and
come back and get your work done, you know. So yeah,
I'll be sure, and the email me and will set

(01:52:31):
up a time to talk.

Speaker 4 (01:52:32):
About I mean, we need it's old.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Why don't you both come out here to the retreat house.
Well we'll I'll open up a really good starch idea. Yeah,
we'll get like a nice like six or seven hundred
dollars bottle and just polish it off.

Speaker 4 (01:52:45):
Than Bishop Bryant, that is very true that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
I've got bottles so old. I mean, I don't even know,
you know, I mean, they're just they're just really old.
But we get open one of them and have a
good night and just really get into the heart of
the issue. What what is this existence all about?

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
You know, a little bit of scotch will open up
all the questions.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Oh, it's true, it's true.

Speaker 4 (01:53:10):
It's he gets on the couch, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
Well, I mean there's we'll make it comfortable. You know,
We'll get some good barbecue going or whatever. We just
make it nice and relaxing.

Speaker 7 (01:53:20):
Said. If you guys ever have a church barbecue or something,
you could get christ to come over. I even I'll
even pay for your let's see your uber from the airport.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
It's an expensive uber, right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
You did, Yes, always have armed security.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Well, father, I want to thank you for being with us,
even if it is just for two hours tonight, you know,
but next week, you know, well you'll be here for longer.
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
We're still getting it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
Yeah, I'm sure a whole lot more. Yeah, make sure
you catch up on it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:03):
I'm going to drive to a meeting, so I'll be
listening while.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Yeah, okay, something, you'll still have the show. Okay, so
he'll still be with us in spirit. Okay, Well, let's like,
let's take this as an opportunity to take our next break,
and then when we come back Reagan, we'll be talking
more about the subject and we'll be taking some of
your questions and getting into it further.

Speaker 13 (01:54:22):
Don't go away fast, see the lies, Leah.

Speaker 12 (01:54:43):
I'm going to keep there and hope we will meet there.

Speaker 14 (01:55:07):
Of myself, of myself, of my.

Speaker 4 (01:55:51):
Day.

Speaker 11 (01:55:52):
It's bass like a.

Speaker 12 (01:56:02):
Far shee the lights only. I'm going to get there
and hope we will meet there.

Speaker 15 (01:57:46):
Nic Ut do it's no, it's not.

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
Welcome back everyone to the third and final hour of Vestiges.
After dark. We've been having a wonderful conversation with Recinforcing
our guests tonight about alien abduction and past life progression
and how the two worlds have come together to perhaps
lend some insight into what the hell's going on out
there with these things. Hopefully, by the end of our

(02:02:28):
three we'll have maybe an answer. I don't know, we'll
find out. I think it just adds more questions. The
more you look into this phenomenon, the more you realize
you don't know, you know, but there is something going on.
There's been too many people that have had experiences for
too many decades now, and too many weird things happening

(02:02:49):
now that you can't dismiss it. Whatever it is, you
can't dismiss it. We'll be taking your questions. You can
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(02:03:10):
We're out there. You can ask your questions and our
moderators will bring your questions to us. Yeah, where to come,
don't go away. One of the more or, I would say, Reagan,

(02:04:43):
one of the more interesting theories about what is going
on here is that I think, well, I mean, there's
a lot of the different perspectives, but I think if
they wanted to destroy us, they could have easily don
on that by now. So I don't think the whole

(02:05:03):
solid malevolence thing is entirely a reasonable theory, just on
the basis that if you're dealing with something with the
kind of power that is being demonstrated by some of
these UAPs and the things that they're able to do,
the technology that it represents, I think that we could
have been wiped out a long time ago if that
was the goal. So that doesn't seem reasonable unless we're

(02:05:25):
being protected by any even more powerful species from the
more malevolent ones, and I guess that is possible. There
was a what was he the Secretary Defense for for Israel? Yeah,
that's said that there's a galactic federation. Sound like star Trek.
But one thing I find interesting, and I don't think
you can dispute this anyone could, really, I don't think

(02:05:47):
you can. You know, we we we set off that
Adam bomb in World War Two, and then all of
a sudden, this explosion of UFO activity happened, almost as
if it got there at ten that. Okay, now they've
got weapons of mass destruction. We have to pay attention.
And I think I would think that with the way

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people are, the violent tendencies, the proclivity towards divisiveness and
absolute hatred of whatever the other side is that you
don't like that, we would have used those weapons to
destroy ourselves. By now. It seems like almost as if
something is stopping us from doing that, actively stopping us
from doing that. I find that very interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:06:27):
Well, do you.

Speaker 6 (02:06:27):
Remember the incident that happened? I was back in the
eighties where missile silos were actually shut down. Yes, and
they had UAPs that knows UFOs in the area.

Speaker 2 (02:06:40):
Yeah, But you got Roswell that came in right after
all this, Right, you know, you have the Nazis and
all this, and then then there's Roswell. Then you have
all these alien and these UFOs and the fifties, sixties
even into the series. And still you know, we still
have it now with the UAPs, that's what they like
to call them. Now, now we got AI. You know,
this came out of nowhere as far as I'm concerned.

(02:07:01):
I mean, one day, you know, you're talking to Siri
and she can't even understand a simple thing like call
my dad. But now you can have a full philosophical
conversation with chat GTP and and you're you know, I mean,
it's like talking to the computer on the Starship Enterprise.
It's insane. I fact, it's it better than that.

Speaker 3 (02:07:21):
It's exactly what it reminds me of.

Speaker 1 (02:07:23):
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:07:23):
So something's going on here. It's really weird. Reagan. I mean,
do you think they're sharing technology? Do you think we're
backwards engineering it? What do you think is going on?

Speaker 7 (02:07:33):
And I'm getting information just like you, yeah places, and
I haven't had anybody, you know, ask those questions over there,
but it really appears that, you know, there's part of
the government or something that's been interacting with them for
some time and that's how we got this, you know, technology,

(02:07:55):
that's crazy. I was just reading the other day that
AI this is to some people around Stanford University in
that area there, you know, all about AI, and they
say that AI will be one million times more powerful
than it is right now in just five years.

Speaker 2 (02:08:12):
I believe it.

Speaker 7 (02:08:13):
What the heck does that look like?

Speaker 2 (02:08:16):
Well, what I'm thinking is and this is a scary thing.
I know a lot of people are thinking, like you know,
Terminator and all that stuff. Absolutely, I'm thinking more along
the lines of how are we ever going to be
able to distinguish reality from fiction when it gets to
the point where it can create anything and you could
make make say that this is this is a video
from something that happened ten years ago with someone who's

(02:08:39):
dead now, and it could be completely made up, and
I think in five years you won't be able to tell.
It won't have like the things where you get like
weird fingers or something it will be flawless in five years.
I really do believe that.

Speaker 7 (02:08:53):
This is just my take now, not from this is
just coming from me. But one of the things I
thought is, is a God right now starting to teach
all of us that we we need to learn on
our own discernment. You know, we need to have this
instead of just somebody telling us something and believing it.
Look at something and really investigated ourselves to find out

(02:09:14):
if that's really true. And I think that there's there's
some sort of spiritual jump a person can do, an awareness,
if you can be you know, once our discernment gets
to be better. Because now, I mean, all these things
that are coming out about, you know, even with Bigfoot
and all the different things, there's so much fake I
look at the stuff and I just go, I don't know,

(02:09:36):
it's just hey, well, here's what makes me believe her
in Bigfoot?

Speaker 4 (02:09:40):
Now.

Speaker 7 (02:09:40):
Now, this was a person from a It was a podcast,
a nationwide podcast that I was on. And after the
after I did a session there, I flew to where
she lived in the Central America, Central America Central in Colorado,
and I spent about nine hours with her and she

(02:10:04):
had an amazing experience and she found herself in the
past life in the body of a bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (02:10:11):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (02:10:12):
Boy, talk about exhil oh. Wow. So here's this petit,
really pretty woman and all of a sudden she's in
the body of this bigfoot running through the forest. And
the exhilaration that she felt, the power of that, she said,
was like unbelievable. You know, just can imagine that that

(02:10:33):
boom boom, and that power and that strength and everything
you have, you know, coming from a petit woman, you know,
and having Now, someone could say, well, maybe it's just
in her mind, because in real life she's had five
encounters with Bigfoot. There's a place she goes and she
takes people with her now on these little journeys and

(02:10:54):
they go and every time they go to this place
in the Rocky Mountains, UAPs show up, and a number
of times Bigfoot, even one time where they're in their
car and it's just gently moving her car back and forth,
you know, at the big Foot. So she's a very
believable person. I mean, there's something about it seem honest,
and I really truly believe that she's had these experiences.

(02:11:16):
And sometimes, you know, we always want to pooh pooh, everything.
But I think we're coming to a head here where
we're going to find out we're not alone in the universe,
that ghosts are real, that demons, you know, that all
this stuff that we've been trying to push away and saying, no,
there can't be anything, But this is what we're seeing
right here, and it's just coming like being dumped on us.

(02:11:36):
And so where's that going to leave us? I think
that's going to leave us as better people because we're
going to start realizing that, you know, we're just part
of the part of a bigger picture. And I think
when I went the second time over there, I think
I mentioned this on the other show and I asked
the council and I said, hey, what's up. Why are

(02:11:57):
you allowing us therapist to Why you opened up the
portal so people can like get a piece to see
a piece of heaven for a while, And they said
three things. They want to prove to people that God
is real, that there isn't afterlife. Okay, take that off
the table, so people actually know for sure, to also
know that we're none of us are down here with

(02:12:17):
no reason. We always have a reason. Everybody finds out
the reason they were born. And sometimes it's something very simple.
Sometimes it's greater, but it's it's just we all have
an agenda, like where you've signed up for a class
to learn something. You know, some people just in a
sense to saying, hey, I'm going to go learn how
to do quilts, and one person's going to go, oh,
I'm going to go learn, you know, how to turn

(02:12:39):
nuclear energy into something positive for people or something bigger.
You know, everybody's got their thing. And the third thing
is they want everybody to know they're not alone. That
everybody has a guardian angel or have somebody that's watching
over them, somebody that's like a team up there that's
rooting for you to get your mission done and to
be there to assist you. But first you have to
acknowledge them. In other words, they're waiting for you to this.

Speaker 2 (02:13:02):
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:13:02):
That's why I think so many times when people I've
been just a number of Christian things where they had
the altar call and when I went people going down
there and I and how their lives changed, And that's
because they finally opened themselves up to Jesus, you know,
open themselves up to Okay, okay, what are we going
to do now, you know, And that's when people's lives change,

(02:13:24):
you know. I have to tell you that's funny, but
this is such a good story, and I'll try to
make a quick remember promise keepers you remember familiar. They
were filling stadiums of men and it was this Christian.

Speaker 2 (02:13:42):
I don't remember this, but I wasn't really into all
that back then, so I don't know. I don't remember
it though.

Speaker 7 (02:13:49):
That was trying to get men to become better fathers,
have more integrity in their work, and to just to
be better, you know, better fathers, husbands, everything this way,
and so was men only. I went to it with
my brother who's in a elevangelical Christian, and my brother
in law who's the same, and my father who was

(02:14:10):
a Catholic, and me, who was just everything, you know, Yeah, everything,
I told that's because and I love being in everything
because that means I can go into anything and feel
the God there. I can feel that there's something for
me there.

Speaker 2 (02:14:28):
I would do that. I can get that. I understand
that perfectly.

Speaker 7 (02:14:30):
Yeah, for this stadium eighty I think it was eighty
thousand men. Oh my god, sixty to eighty thousand men
filled the whole stadium in Oakland Coliseum, and boy, when
they were singing and stuff, and you hear and you're
in that presence of sixty thousand male voices singing.

Speaker 1 (02:14:48):
And all that.

Speaker 7 (02:14:49):
And so they had a few people come up there.
There was a man that was giving his testimony and
he talked about when he had a father that he hated.
You know, his father was very cruel, very mean to him.
He remembers trying to please his father by stealing something
at the store and coming home. Look what I got, dad,
you know, So he stoled, he got caught, you know,
and his father, his father took him home. You know, son,

(02:15:12):
he says, look if you steal, don't you never get caught,
you know, and slapped him around.

Speaker 4 (02:15:15):
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:15:16):
He started hating his father so much that he remembers
being in a tree and his father came home and
walked into the tree into the house and he remembers
pretending he had a gun and were just wanting to
shoot his fow. Yeah, he got in trouble in school
because he was getting in fights all the time. He
ended up going before the judge because you know, said
we're sending you to juvenile hall where you can go

(02:15:38):
in the army.

Speaker 2 (02:15:39):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (02:15:39):
He chose the army. He becomes a sniper. He said.
It came to a point in there where he was
in his bunk and they came with a straight jacket
and took him out because he was enjoying killing people
too much. He says, he didn't care if it was
a woman, a kid, or whatever. He would just shoot people,
you know, And he was and they could see he
was going. He was kind of nuts. So they brought

(02:16:01):
him back in the straight jacket. They put him in
a mental place for a while. He says, I knew
how to play the game, you know how it made
it seem that everything was okay. And I'm healed and
he gets out, He gets married. How's a kid? He
comes home one day, he sees his wife's bags packed.
You know she's going to leave him. He goes and
gets his rifle, He loads it up, sits in the chair.

(02:16:23):
He's going to kill her when she walks in the door,
and on the channel next to him that his wife
was listening to her was I want to say, Earl Stanley,
that the guy that's on the radio all the time,
a very His last name is Stanley, really good preacher,
kind of like like anyway, you know, a big time.

(02:16:44):
I mean, this guy was pretty and when I've heard
him places, I go, this guy's so full of love
and so full of stuff as far as what goes.
I said, he's the model of what a Christian should be,
you know. And he was watching that program and the
guy keeps talking to him and he's listened to it,
and he gets so pissed off he takes the rifle
to shoot the TV. And the rifle didn't go off.

(02:17:04):
Something happened. It's getting me emotional because I'm feeling at
this point, he dropped the rifle and he went to
his knees. Okay, and a long story short. He's a pastor,
has five thousand people in his congregation in LA right now.

Speaker 2 (02:17:23):
Very interesting. Yeah, yeah, that's a testimony. That's a conversion.

Speaker 7 (02:17:28):
The alter call after that, Yeah, it's been a thousand
guys went down there, and I know what they're thinking.
If he can do it, and for God can forgive
him for what he's God can forgive me.

Speaker 2 (02:17:38):
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:17:40):
I've just stood there and I was in tears, but
just watching all these men go down, and I thought,
what a wonderful thing to witness, you know, so anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:17:47):
Yes, it certainly is. Thank you for that. That's a
good one, Brandon. I'm sure you have questions or our audience.
I don't want to ignore them. And do is there
anything that you'd like to bring to Reagan's attention?

Speaker 8 (02:18:03):
Yes, so we do have a question. In the chat
from an April, she asks, why do you think we
don't hear about abductions like we used to, specifically with
the Grays.

Speaker 7 (02:18:13):
He says, why do we think we don't hear about
it as much anymore?

Speaker 4 (02:18:16):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (02:18:18):
Yes, Okay, Now I'm not saying this from pure knowledge.
I'm saying this for me just with all the information
that's out there and me being curious, just like the Bishop,
you know, we're just curious and soak and all this
stuff in. I've heard that it's kind of slowed down.
In other words, there was a big rash of it
at first, and then it's still happening, but it's not

(02:18:42):
happening as much. So. But I have heard now too, though,
that some people say that even and like Bishop, when
you said you remember it happened to you two times.
A lot of these abduction cases. It seems to be
that like you're almost and they come down, you know,
at this time, and then five years later the abduct

(02:19:03):
you again, and you're a little older, they abduct you.
And it seems to happen in the family line a
lot of times where they're doing, you know, like and
I know some people that said they talked to their grandpa,
and their grandpa never wanted to talk about and says, yeah,
I was abducted too, and the father was abducted and
then he's abducted as a kid. So I don't know
if it has to do with them, you know, saying it,

(02:19:23):
But I don't know why it's calmed down. And it
makes me wonder again if they do. And it seems
like they're revealing themselves to us more and more all
the time. I've been listening some to Are you familiar
with Bashar Bishop or.

Speaker 2 (02:19:40):
That sounds familiar?

Speaker 5 (02:19:42):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:19:43):
S h R.

Speaker 7 (02:19:44):
Okay, you remember Paul Anka, the singer, Yeah, okay. His
brother darryl Anka has been channeling this being called Bishar
for forty years. Oh and right now is all over
the internet and has thousands and thousands of people going
to his talks. He purports to be an alien from

(02:20:05):
the future. This is where you can watch it now,
you know, get some drink, some more booze or something, because.

Speaker 3 (02:20:12):
I think I've seen this on TikTok little snippets.

Speaker 7 (02:20:16):
But if I don't know, But you have to listen
to the guy and you think, in a sense, you
think it would be one of the apostles talking or
Jesus himself or something, because it's just coming from such
a loving place and the things that he says has
such a resonance for for that some of it's pretty
far out there. And I'm listening to him saying, Okay,

(02:20:36):
let me just see what fits. And like you people watching,
we're talking about all this stuff. You know it doesn't fit,
just like the bishop says, just let it go by you.
You know, we're we're all here just looking for truth.
We're looking for God wherever we can find them and saying, look,
help me with discernment here, what's good for me?

Speaker 1 (02:20:52):
What's not? You know?

Speaker 7 (02:20:53):
We like like I have no obviously no stake in
this or I'm not trying to push any particular religion
or anything. I'm just saying, we're doing this research. This
is what's happened and let's look at it and and
whatever's good, let's accept. And what isn't then don't worry
about it, you know, just you know, it says in
the Bible, seek and you'll find, right, And that's what
we're doing. And we're doesn't mean everything you seek and

(02:21:14):
everything you find is for you. But you know, you know,
if if we if we didn't seek and find, we'd
still believe the earth was flat. You know.

Speaker 2 (02:21:23):
So you're saying that Paul Anka is it was his brother,
is Eryl Anka is channeling this this entity called Bashar interesting.

Speaker 7 (02:21:33):
I'm what he has said is we're coming, ready or not.
And next year he says a lot of those UAPs
they were seeing over all the army bases and all
the stuff, and all of a sudden it's out of
the news now, and we were seeing it was all
we could hear for two or three weeks. Every place
was saying, oh, there's all these orbs and all these

(02:21:55):
these things, and they didn't know what they were. And
the government says, oh, there's nothing to worry about.

Speaker 10 (02:22:00):
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:22:00):
It's like, why can't our powerful government they don't even
know what they are, you know, And Daryl or this Bashar,
who's talking through Daryl, says, some of those are ours,
you know. He says, we're just we're just coming down.
And he says we're going to be doing more and
more of that for about a year, just so people
get used to us. And then he says, and then

(02:22:20):
it's time. He says, your plant has gotten to the
point where you need to know you're not alone, and
you need to join the bigger family and realize that,
you know, this creation or whatever is much bigger than
just you little guys down here. And he says, if
you accept us down here, we have so much technology
to share with you. We have so much stuff. And
he says, we can tell you your past, we can

(02:22:42):
tell you where you come from. You know what your
history is because we've been watching you for thousands and
thousands and thousands of years. And this is coming to
the point where they said you're grown up enough now
to finally learn these other truths. Now, when I think
of that, and all of a sudden then and my
client's thing, I think, well, where does Jesus fit into

(02:23:03):
all this?

Speaker 1 (02:23:03):
Now?

Speaker 7 (02:23:04):
Okay, we're getting this bigger picture, and every Christian that
I've done a session with I asked the council, I said,
my client's a Christian here and follows Jesus. Is it
possible for them to spend some time with Jesus every
single time they have, And I'll tell you, in these
sessions that I've had with them, sometimes it's the most

(02:23:25):
emotional part of the session. Sometimes they have questions they
want to ask Jesus, but I'll tell you they they
don't mostly get around to that because when they're in
the presence of Jesus, they feel so much love. They
feel so much you know, I mean, it's almost indescribable,
and they have tears coming down their eyes. A number

(02:23:46):
of my clients have had there just being in his
presence and what He usually does with them, he just
in a sense holds them, you know, and just tells them, look,
I'm right here, you know, well you have to just
think about think of me. I'm with you all the time.
Don't worry. Everything's okay, you know. And a few of
them they've had questions they wanted to ask about, you know,
the Second Coming, when are you coming and all this stuff,

(02:24:08):
but they're so overwhelmed by this feeling and this presence
of this this this being that's indescribably of love, that
that just seems to be where goes. So I don't
push anything because they're having their personal session and I
don't want to interrupt this most perfect, beautiful time when
they're filming The Love of Jesus by saying, hey, dude,

(02:24:28):
when you know what year you coming back, you know
what's going to you know all these questions that come up,
you know. But so, I don't know, it'd be interesting
to see what Jesus would say about the Aliens. I
know the Pope that they asked him a couple of
years ago, Pope Francis about the aliens, and he just
kind of winked a little bit and says, well, if

(02:24:50):
they are coming, we're going to tell him about Jesus.

Speaker 2 (02:24:54):
That sounds like a response they'd give.

Speaker 1 (02:24:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:24:57):
I mean, I know that they've had theological discussions about
what implications there could be if aliens or from another
planet were to reveal themselves. Some of the questions, you know,
on Christian's mind would be, do they even need Jesus?
You know, do they even need salvation? Maybe they didn't

(02:25:19):
fall like we did. Maybe maybe human error is unique
to just this planet. You know, sometimes it feels like
you know, when you when you listen to Buddhist cosmology
and buddhas you know, like Tibetan Buddhist cosmology allows for
the fact that there's countless planets in the in the
in the in the universe with intelligent life, most of

(02:25:41):
which it implies, is much more advanced than here. Of course,
it is all considered at least in the in the
Buddhist sense, the human gatti. So it would be, you know,
the the realm in which enlightenment is possible, and uh
that one could transmigrate from one planet to another based

(02:26:04):
upon their spiritual achievements. So this is very consistent with
with that train of thought. But what I also find
somewhat intriguing about all of this, if if all of
that is true, could it be that this is I mean,
sometimes it feels like a penal colony. You know, this

(02:26:27):
is this is where the universe dumps all their criminals,
and you know, you end up here after you've done
something horrible, because it really feels, you know, it's it's
a pretty pretty dark place. A lot of times it's
not horrible, but it can be, and it's horrible for
a lot of people. I mean, you kind of got
to claw your way out to the top to be
somewhat comfortable in this planet. No one does it for you,
so it's it's a pretty dark place, you know. However,

(02:26:50):
that being said, it makes me sometimes wonder, you know,
And I'm gonna get a little esoteric here, But with
with some other theories that come out of this is
similar theory, we've talked about it on this show before.
Some people have linked it to aliens in the sense
that could this be a virtual reality that's being generated

(02:27:12):
by some alien supercomputer that we're connected to a lot
like the matrix, I guess, but in a more specific way.
Could it be, though I'd rather than make it sound
so malevolent, that this is like a training ground like
this is this is like the simulation that you're put
into before you actually do the real work. And yes,

(02:27:33):
you're going to be faced with trial and struggle to
test your fortitude and figure out what your talents are.
It sometimes feels like that, because it really does in
so many ways. Even pain. Think about pain, all right,
and pain can be horrible. I mean, I've had I've
had the worst pain I ever felt. Seems so trivial

(02:27:55):
was a touch of versitis about about fifteen years ago.
I didn't know the human body was capable of producing
that much pain until I had presided that was in excruciating.
But it's like after it's over, it's almost like it
never even happened. I mean, you remember it, but it's
like it's no longer there. It's a knowing present. So

(02:28:16):
it's like things come into being, they fall out of being.
How real is this if it doesn't actually last. It's
almost as if you're being exposed to something, a program,
and then it's turned off and then you're on to
the next thing. So I'm not saying it's not real
in the sense that we're actually experiencing something, but I'm
not so sure it's real in the sense that this

(02:28:37):
is a lasting, meaningful thing. It feels more like a
test than in reality. If that makes sense. Does that
make sense to your Regan? You know what I'm saying, Well,
it's like.

Speaker 7 (02:28:47):
Women and childbirth. You know, the minute they have their
first kid and they go, I'm never doing that again.
Two years later or whatever, they're.

Speaker 1 (02:28:54):
Back at it.

Speaker 3 (02:28:55):
It's true, say for tattoos, you know, yeah, true.

Speaker 7 (02:29:01):
This is Robert who came to me a couple of
years ago. He wanted to try and found himself in
the past. Life as a woman was kind of a
digging potatoes kind of life. I had him going to
a port event and he's in this shack where you
can see the sun coming through. It wasn't you know.
We just would there and was laying in bed and

(02:29:22):
I says, what's happening and he goes, I'm having a baby.
So here's Robert and my badge experiencing life as another
woman and washing his face. Oh my gosh. He's like,
is he there was a midwife that was there, and
he's starting to go, oh my god. Oh, And I said,

(02:29:47):
so after the session, he just he almost he was
like he was red in the face, you know, kind
of like embarrassed, like I was a woman.

Speaker 2 (02:29:55):
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:29:56):
I never I'm not going to make that kind of
crap up. I'm never going to be a woman. And
he says, I'm definitely never want to be one because
I don't want to have to go through what I
just solved me. You know. Yeah, But see, you find
out that's what's so beautiful about this work I'm doing.
We find out that when we are back home with
God in this in this other place of our true existence,

(02:30:17):
and we're this conscious energy. We're we're not we're male,
we're female, we're androgenis. We're just this energy and we
choose like, for instance, if you choose the body of
a woman, you know you're going to have that because
of that vibration, the frequencies that women have is going
to be a different experience than having one as a man.
So one question we ask sometimes will say, do you

(02:30:39):
when you reincarnate you always come in the same sex
or do you vary? And it's all over the place.
A lot of them go, no, always a woman. I
just am always always incarnate as a woman, always incarnates
a man. Another one will say, oh, both, you know,
back and forth. And what makes these sessions believable to
a lot of women? I say, at least half the
women that I do these sessions with find themselves as
males in a in another lifetime. And I remember one

(02:31:03):
of them, she's in trance and I had her. I said,
you know where she's at. I said, well, put out
your hands in front of me and tell me is
that you know what do they look like? And so
she's in trance here and she's she's goes, oh my god,
I'm a dude. She found herself walking through it was
like a western town with a big old beam on

(02:31:25):
her shoulder. They were building building something and she's walking
and she could just feel his his his thickness, you know, whenever.
And but because when people are going through this experience,
they're totally aware of what's going on, but their consciousness,
consciousness just kind of splits. So they're they're listening to me,
we're communicating back and forth what they're seeing, but in

(02:31:47):
their mind, they're they're in that other place, you know.
So it's you know, interesting how that happens. So the
fact that we exist is is energy answer so many questions,
you know, about the fact that souls can incarnate in
other life forms and other in human beings or whatever.

(02:32:08):
One of my remarks one of the sessions I remember
that was so cool. She comes out into a past
life and she's she goes, oh my gosh, there's so
many people, and it was like she was standing in
Times Square, I mean with just that many people, you know,
And I said, I said, okay, now look at your hands,
and you know, tell me what color your skin is

(02:32:29):
I like to try to, you know, to get them
in that body. And she goes, oh my god, she goes,
I'm blue and wait and she had three fingers and
three toes like digits like this, and now I'm going, Okay,
everybody's got to be staring at you. You're right standing
in the middle of Times Square and there's hundreds of
people going by. Says this isn't everybody like looking at you?
And what's going on? She says, no, they can't see me.

(02:32:51):
And I said, way, She says, I'm at a different frequency,
you know. And she was sent from a spaceship down
to just observe human beings. So she and everything she
was seeing through her eyes through her body was kind
of being uploaded to a big like a mainframe and
a spaceship. But during the whole time, she just kept
talking about her, her soulmate, that she missed him so much.

(02:33:15):
He was on another planet doing the same thing, and
she was down here and just had to hang on.
I don't know how many years it was, but just
observing human beings. Finally she found herself back on the
spaceship her and she was so happy because there was
her there was her soulmate, you know, and they lived
in a sense happily ever after. And I think they
just passed away some time later on the ship, you know,

(02:33:37):
in old age. But again that surprised her, she says, Oh,
I asked her. I said, I said, why only three
fingers and three toes? And she said, well, they were
trying to make me kind of like a human. This
is the best they could come up with. You know,
these little things that they say that makes it believable too,
you know, I mean that's just yeah things. But I

(02:34:02):
don't know, I'm just getting more and more. Oh boy,
I'm just thinking I should tell you about this one.

Speaker 2 (02:34:09):
But okay, yeah, go for it. Go for it. You know,
we're not going to say like I say, no, I'm.

Speaker 7 (02:34:17):
Just gonna now and I could only talk about this
and I'm not going to give you a real name
or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (02:34:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:34:25):
What a beautiful woman in her mid sixties having a
crisis now of like she just doesn't feel like she belongs.
She's she wants to have a mission, but she's not
sure what it is. And she's in Canada. I'm doing
this on zoom, she goes, and this is the only
time it's happened. It happened, used to happen more. In

(02:34:47):
the eighties, I mean in the nineties when this thing
first started, she went so deep into trance she just
disappeared and out came Angel Asrael. Maybe you could know
her name better than man.

Speaker 2 (02:35:00):
Like the cat on the Smurfs, speaking through.

Speaker 7 (02:35:05):
My client to me about my client. And I said, well,
who is this? And she says Angel Astria. And I
kept saying her name wrong, and she kept saying, no,
it's Astral. There's something I would say, and she would
start laughing because I just couldn't get that pronunciation right.
And I still don't have it right.

Speaker 1 (02:35:21):
I think.

Speaker 7 (02:35:23):
So humorous, And I says, is that actually you am
talking to an angels? She says yes. And so she
would tell me about my client. She says, we got
you together with her because you're the only one we
thought they could help her out of this conundrum she's on.
They says she is so special, she has so much
love in her and she can help There's so many

(02:35:44):
ways she can help other people, but she doesn't believe
in herself. Her self esteem is so low that you
need to help her. And that so after about twenty
minutes of her talking about that, all of a sudden, okay,
as reel, she's here now I could say her name wrong, sorry,
but she says she needs a potty break, you know,

(02:36:04):
wake her up, have her go to the patty, and
we come back. So I talked and I said to
my client, you know her name, I says, look, and
she kind of wakes up a little bit. She goes,
you know, what's kind of going on? Am I okay?
Is everything okay? And I said, yeah, yeah, I said,
I said an angel was talking. He says, wait, mane
angel was talking to you about me? And I go, yeah,
she went and went to the bathroom, came back, and

(02:36:26):
then oh my gosh, already I'm going, oh man, this
is so cool because I hadn't had that happen before.
We're an angel talk. But when you see her, and
then when when the angel astri comes to her, you
can see that it's not her. I mean you can
just tell in the cadence in her voice unless she's
a good impersonator or something. So the next one that

(02:36:49):
came out, it was kind of said, who's this? He says,
this is Jesus, And all of a sudden, my client
is bawling like a baby and she's yelling, I'm so sorry, Jesus,
I'm sorry, Jesus, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And she's crying.
She's in trance or something. And then she kind of
disappears in there, and Jesus is talking to me about her,

(02:37:09):
telling me how great she is and saying she was
one of his teachers when he was a young man,
when he before he started his things. She was a
mentor of Jesus, you know, teaching them about the ways
of you know, as he was as a human being.
He was learning things, and they were very very close.
And he just said, we were very very close, and

(02:37:31):
she's lost that memory and stuff, and she needs to
know how powerful she is and how close we are still,
you know that. And then anyway, long story short, a
little bit after that, she takes another potty break and
then so I'm thinking, I'm almost I'm almost like exhausted
because this has gone on for a couple hours. And

(02:37:51):
then there's all of a sudden, another kind of similar.
I mean, it's coming through a female body and using
her vocal cords, but the mean's all different, and it
was Archangel Michael, And I said, I said, what do
I call you? And I says, I call your ark
Angel Michael. And he says, oh, that's just the title,
so you can just call me Michael. You know it's fine,
you know. So I said, Michael, we know what's going on.

(02:38:13):
And then Michael all of a sudden starts talking to
me about my wife or something. He says, you're so,
you know, lucky that you have a soulmate, your wife
there that's so spiritual, so quietly spiritual and powerful. She's
just beginning to you know how much she is. And
I go, wow, he's talking about me, and of course
my client's thing, but he's just having a conversation with me.
And I said, well, my client is she's sixty eight

(02:38:36):
and she's worried about her health and she knows she
has a mission to do. Is she going to be
around for a while and how's her health? He says, oh,
she's going to be okay. And he says, just like you, sir,
to me. He says, you're going to be around for
a while, but you got to you've got to change
your diet too. He says, we want you to be
around for a while because we're happy this and I go, Okay,

(02:38:56):
my diet. Since that happened, I have got more. I
don't know, you know, it was this And because when
I play that back and I listened to that, when
I felt that energy, I really felt that energy coming
right into me, like you're speaking right to me. So
buddy looking at that would say, oh, she's she's mentally deranged.
All these angels are speaking through her. So I sent

(02:39:18):
her the tape and I and then I got back
with her and I says, are you listening to that?
And she goes, she's really, I I got it. If
I listened to ten minutes of it, I start crying
and they're telling me I'm so beautiful and then I
have all this stuff and I just don't feel that.
And then I talked to her. I says, look, you
are you have to come into who you really are?

Speaker 1 (02:39:36):
You know this?

Speaker 7 (02:39:37):
And she says, was I really screaming that at Jesus?
And I said, listen to the tape. Yeah, you know,
And so again people listening. I mean, I'm just following
wherever this goes. Whatever it was was full of love,
was full of trying to help her to really realize
that she was a magnificent person, but she just she

(02:39:58):
needed to have more self love, She needed to work
on her self esteem, on her self love. And then
they said that her mission would unfold in front of her.
You know, they wouldn't tell her exactly what it was,
but that she would you know, it's coming. She's retired now,
she's a retired school teacher, and she's he's got some
work for her to do, and that it'll appear. But
she has to first come on, you know, look in

(02:40:20):
the mirror and start loving that person who she is,
because she's very special, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:40:25):
So anyhow, what do you think the disconnect is reagan
for people? I mean, let's take for face value these
experiences as as what they claim to be in a
cosmos that is alive with all these different entities, whether

(02:40:48):
they be these spiritual forces like angels or or or
aliens from other worlds reaching out and communicating with the
people of Earth. Why is it that we have a
hard time making the connection to the point of irrefutable tangibility,

(02:41:13):
where you know, like having this conversation with you right now,
I don't have to question whether or not you exist.
I know you exist. I know you're there. You know
I can, I can reach out, I can touch Jamie.
I know she's here. I know my audience and the
people that are watching and listening to this are actual people.

(02:41:34):
They're there. But when it comes to things like spiritual
beings aliens, there's always this ethereal quality where it always
can just fall to the point of am I just
too credulous? And I just, you know, want to believe this?
And this is what it is? Is this the power
of the subconscious mind? And it's it's it's imagination. Is
it's just that profound? Is it unlocking some earlier, more

(02:41:59):
childhood level of imagination that sort of surfaces in the
midst of the challenges of being an adult And and
and it's a bit of a I guess a repression
of sorts of of of of of going back to
an earlier, simpler time when the mind was freeer and
could play. You know, why does it feel as though

(02:42:19):
it could go in the direction where it would be
easy for a skeptic to say, well, it's really this
or it's really just an overactive imagination or hypnosis is
just leading to suggestions that make the mind believe in
these things. When the persons already predisposed to do. So,
why can't these forces be more tangible? Because I do

(02:42:40):
believe in them. I do believe there are aliens out there.
I do believe that there are spiritual forces out there.
I do believe angels exist. But it's difficult to explain
to somebody that's on that skeptical side that they that
these things exist, because the way in which we are

(02:43:01):
interacted with is so ethereal that you can dismiss it
very easy and say, oh, well, I must have just
had a strange stream that night, or maybe I just
listened or eight too many nuts before bedtime or something
like that. Why is it so difficult for us to
connect to the point that all of us know it's true.

Speaker 7 (02:43:19):
The only thing I could think of is what I've
heard many times said, is that one of the reasons
we came down here is to go through the process
of remembering who we are, that slow process of remembering
that we're way more than just this body, and that
something about that as we come to realize and then
and then blossom, that there's a big, huge, somehow spiritual

(02:43:42):
benefit to soul or something, you know, having to do that,
because when I do regression with people. Even regular hymo
therapists take people back to the womb. You know, this
is something they do, but and they didn't go beyond that.
But when I have people, and I have them, you know,
go to their last childhood memory and then I say,

(02:44:04):
now you're getting younger and smaller and younger and smaller,
and you're ten months, and you're five months, and you're
five days old, and you're you know, you're one day old,
and now you're just a few minutes old. And I'll
go when I count to three, you'll be in your
mother's womb, one, two, and thirty. And I'm surprised. When
I had my experience, that was one of the most
moving parts of that. And all I can say is

(02:44:28):
when I because the first time, like me doing this,
it took me two tries. The first time when we
got to the womb part, I was grossed out. It's
kind of my mind was going my mom's womb, like,
oh my god, and it took me out of I
couldn't and they stopped at that point. Well a few
days later, I just relaxed. And it had two really
talented people. They're facilitators doing this work I'm doing now.

(02:44:53):
They were helping me and we got stuck a little bit.
But then I found myself on my mother's womb and
all I can say was, after having that experience, whether
I imagined it or whatever, I feel like I truly
know my mom in ways that I never did when
she was alive. It was something about being part of her,
kind of floating around in there. And what we found

(02:45:15):
out in the research is that when we're in the womb,
we're still in full consciousness. We've just come from Heaven,
our true home. The fetus has been developed enough to
be able to accept our soul. We usually asked, well
when did you enter the fetus, And the research most
of the time is pretty close. They'll come is the

(02:45:36):
fetus is being developed, they'll come and test it out.
But then they'll go back home, come in and out,
in and out for a while, and with about ready
to be born. Then we get at the starting gate
and why they're in their mother's womb. They're in full consciousness,
just like you and I. Right now, they know everything
the mom's thinking, they can feel her, they know what
Dad's thinking. So I'm telling anybody out there that's getting

(02:45:58):
ready to have a baby. You know, I realize they
know what's going on in there. Once they come out
of the womb, then generally the wall of forgetfulness kind
of comes, you know, although it's not perfect all the time,
because you know, there's so many children between the ages
of being born in four or five years old that
you know, the books written about that where they've been
able to prove these kids that what they they lived

(02:46:20):
these past lives. That book called Before by the University
of Virginia with Jim Tucker, and they have several hundred
cases now where they went to children who said they
remember the past lives, interviewed the children, sent out a
team to see if what those children said actually happened,
and they were able to prove all that.

Speaker 2 (02:46:36):
Oh yeah, I've experienced that too. I remember this is
a you know, kind of a a very difficult memory
for me because I'll explain why.

Speaker 1 (02:46:52):
When I was.

Speaker 2 (02:46:55):
Three or four, and I have a very very good
early childhood memory, I can remember as far back. I
can't even remember before two a few things that happened,
so I can go back quite a way as even
without hypnosis. And then on around three or four, I
know where I was living at the time. So that's
how I know what age I was, because we moved

(02:47:17):
around a lot in my early years, so I know
based upon which house this was where what my age was.
And I remember waking up and going to have breakfast
and eating cereal in the kitchen and looking outside and
trying to understand why the view is not the one

(02:47:38):
it should be, and telling my mother, I don't understand
what happened to the big hill that used to be
back there. And she said, she says, there was never
a hill back there. It's always looked like this. I said, no, no,
it was, you know it was. It was a while ago.
And I mean to a three year old, I mean,
that's the kind of a weird thing to say. Can

(02:48:00):
a three year old even understand what a while is?
But I understood that in that moment, and I said, no,
it was a while ago. There used to be a
big hill and we used to sit at We used
to go to the top of that hill and have picnics.
And you're here. Used to be blonde. It wasn't dark
like it is now. In fact, I'm not even sure
it was you. And I remember having this conversation. She said,

(02:48:21):
I don't know what you're talking about it. I never
had blind here, and nothing like what you're describing ever happened.
And it angered me because I went into all the
way to the present day. You know, here I am
at the age of fifty one, and I still remember
this as as clearly as as I did yesterday. You know,

(02:48:43):
when I was three, this was a real place, a
place of great happiness to me, and it was completely
dismissed by everyone in my life.

Speaker 4 (02:48:53):
No.

Speaker 2 (02:48:53):
I would ask anybody, do you remember this? Do you
remember these moments? There was a whole story that went
with it. I'm just telling you one part of it,
and no one could remember any and they're like, no,
it never happened. I don't know where you're dreaming. You
must have dreamt that. But it was so powerful because
it was it was so safe and so so much

(02:49:13):
better than the life that I knew at that time
or probably ever since that, I have wanted nothing but
to get back to that and to experience that place again.
I've always wondered if that's not a past life memory,
because it was very earthly. It wasn't. There was nothing
spiritual about it was just, you know, another home with
another with other with another family that I liked a

(02:49:36):
lot more than the one one that I had. I mean,
just be honest. I'm just gonna be honest. They seem
to understand the people in this in this other life
seemed to understand me a lot better than the ones
that I ended up with in this one. So I
always thought it was a past life.

Speaker 11 (02:49:51):
I did.

Speaker 2 (02:49:52):
I don't know if it is, but I can understand
what you're talking about there, Reagan.

Speaker 7 (02:49:57):
Yeah, thank god for TikTok because because of TikTok, now
people are putting their kids on there when they're talking
about their past lives, little three, four or five year olds,
and it's like all over there now. So it's starting
to wake people up to don't dismiss what your children say,
you know, to the possibility. So a lot of this
now here, here's people's you know, all of a sudden,

(02:50:19):
the kids are doing this, and then they go, oh,
there's hundreds and hundreds of cases. And now the government's
led all these things about the UFOs kind of out there,
and all of a sudden, the picture just keeps getting bigger.
But I think it's human beings. We can handle just
so much at a time, Like the listeners now might
be like really getting stomach aches right now because they're

(02:50:39):
hearing all this stuff. But I'm saying, Okay, if anything
bothers you just.

Speaker 9 (02:50:43):
Let it go.

Speaker 7 (02:50:44):
Just don't believe anymore. But just think about when you
were a child what you knew, and then when you
were a teenager what you knew, and what you're an adult.
And now we keep learning more all the time. And
it seems like, well, you know, the classic client that
another therapist had we're talking about, she finds out before
the council when she goes in this life between life process,

(02:51:07):
that her whole thing was to learn patience. She came
down to be a human being just a practice patience. Okay,
so the therapist says, well, how long have you been
practicing this and she goes, oh, five hundred years?

Speaker 2 (02:51:19):
Say, if I came down here to learn patients, I'm
failing miserably at that test.

Speaker 7 (02:51:26):
It really shows you, I mean, how difficult some of
these to be more christ Like in a sense, or
to be more loving and kind. It's a process. We
don't just boot and become the perfect person, you know,
I you know, I found out my purpose for coming
down was to learn selflessness. Okay, And when I'm before

(02:51:46):
the council, they said, we're really happy with your progress.
You're doing pretty good. But I was hearing in a
sense too as they said that, well, don't get cocky,
because there's another level you got to go, you know,
there's always another level of kindness and everything. I realize
that I'm doing really good at that. But the other
day I was really realizing that my go to, like
when there's probably twenty thirty decisions you make in a

(02:52:07):
day where you take the easy way or do you
take the hard way, which is supposed to be better,
and I find out when a situation comes up, my
instantaneous go to is to be selfish, you know. But
now I've taught myself that, Okay, do I want to
do that?

Speaker 2 (02:52:22):
And I know.

Speaker 7 (02:52:24):
Kindness is love with work boots on. I keep telling
me that, you know, kindness is love with work boots on.
And you realize to pick up that piece of trash
that's not yours, you know, takes a little extra effort,
you know, to do that to I started practicing when
I knew I realized that I wanted to be kind,
I would when I go into the bank when we

(02:52:44):
used to go into banks, hardly ever now, but we
all have a certain amount of seconds that will hold
the door open. If someone is across the parking lot,
we just go in, you know, if someone's just two
or three seconds behind us, we hold the door open.
So to try to get myself to learn to be
more or kind, I did it as a practice. I said, okay,
every time I walk into the bank, if I see

(02:53:05):
someone across the thing or whatever. So sometimes I'd be
holding the door for like thirty seconds. I see someone
getting on their car, watch and walk all across the
parking lot, and they would see me way across the
parking lot holding the door.

Speaker 2 (02:53:16):
For them, you know.

Speaker 7 (02:53:17):
And I can tell you, I mean, that was the
most I just remembered. I just getting so many smiles
and these big thank yous and and and I started saying, wow,
kindness is kind of fun, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:53:28):
So you can't do it? Yes, it work, you know,
to be kind It is a lot of work.

Speaker 7 (02:53:40):
So I have this thing I do for my wife
most of the time now, if she's home as I
go and I turn down the bed for her, and
I get her water every night, and I when I'm
around most of the time.

Speaker 1 (02:53:52):
I do that, and I just do it.

Speaker 7 (02:53:53):
I say, well, it's just one act of love that
I can that I can do, and and she just appreciates,
you know that, I'm you know, she comes in the
beds down ready for her and she's got her water,
sheek take her vitamins. But I got to walk into
the damn kitchen all the time, all the way over there,
walk all the way back when sometimes I'm in the

(02:54:13):
middle of sports or middle of something. But I'm saying
that jokingly. But when I do it, I feel like
like it makes me realize and not take her for granted.
It makes me feel the love that I have for her.
You know, as I'm doing this thing, so's it takes
time and another show, because I know we're about running.

Speaker 2 (02:54:32):
Out of time here, aren't we almost at the end?

Speaker 7 (02:54:33):
Yes, next time or if I come back next year,
I'll look forward to it like crazy. But I got
to tell you all this experience I've been doing with
the higher self, with people coming face to face with
that part of you that's always in heaven, and we're
finding out that it actually Bashar said this, but it's
like it was the best way to say it, he says,

(02:54:54):
in the human body right now, we're like a fingernail
of who we really are, in the whole body of
who we really are are that our true self, our
true heavenly self, is the rest of that, which is
hard for Steven imagine. But I'll talk about all these
experiences my clients have when I ask the higher they're
entrance and I'll ask, I'll say, can I talk to
your higher self? When they're in that state it's normal,

(02:55:16):
and they'll say, yes, you can. And then I'll say,
am I talking to higher self now? Yes? And all
of a sudden, that higher self is talking to me
about them and about their mission and about how they're
doing and what they would like to see changed and
all that, and then about the higher self will allow
them to walk into their higher self. So talking about

(02:55:36):
whether you think this is made up or anything like this,
sometimes when people have an exhilarating experience is to walk
into their higher self and feel for a moment that
all knowingness, that all love, and you should see what
happens to people is the emotions that they have and
everything like that. It's just overwhelming and it's so beautiful

(02:55:58):
and they come back from that saying, I never expected
that I was going to experience anything like that. So
with a lot of this to finish the question what
we started about ten minutes ago was like having some
things that are so impactful and so emotional and so
much love that people feel. Then they go, I just

(02:56:19):
if I made that up. I'm a magician, and but
that was I just I just can't believe that that
happened to me.

Speaker 1 (02:56:24):
Just now, you know.

Speaker 7 (02:56:25):
And they walk away with a greater sense of purpose,
knowing what their mission is, knowing why they have the
illnesses they have, what they have to do if they
want to reverse them. And I get letters from people
or email now, even years later, and people say that having.

Speaker 2 (02:56:45):
Murdering, well, thank you, it's beautiful, beautiful Reagan, thank you
so much for being on tonight, and we will definitely
get you booked for the next season. Brandon will be
in touch for another show. You're one of our favorite guests.
So thank you so much.

Speaker 7 (02:57:04):
My favorite podcast by far.

Speaker 2 (02:57:07):
We love you, We love you, Yes, thank you so much,
and Brandon, thank you for being here with us tonight. Jamie,
thank you. Had a big thanks to all of you
for joining us. This evening on Vestiges after Dark. We
hope you have found it enlightening and hopefully it expanded
your worldview a bit. To see beyond your paradigms. That's

(02:57:28):
the whole point here. Shadow your paradigms and walk into
our bigger world. That's what this show hopefully helps you
to do. Next week, we're going to do that that
again with Yarberry. We're going to be talking about astrology,
and I think she's planning to do look at some
of your natal charts. So if you want to call
in or give us your birth data, I think she's

(02:57:49):
going to do some astrology with you readings and that
could be very eye opening. I can guarantee you that.
So that will be next week Tuesday at eight pm Eastern.
But until then, I'll see you out there in the ether.
God bless everyone, Thanks everybody.

Speaker 14 (02:59:08):
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