Energy Healing & Disrupting Patterns with Susan Shatzer

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Speaker 1 (00:35):
And as to as to.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
To say good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whichever the

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case may be. For all of you listening out there
across the crazy planet Earth, Welcome to the season finale
of Vestiges after Dark, and I am your host, Bishop
Brian while coming to you lie from the deep woods

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of Western Georgia on this November eighteen, twenty twenty five. Well,
that's it. We've made it to the end of the
season and it's been a fantastic one. I hope you
all agree. We've covered some really good topics and tonight

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we cover for the finale a brand new one, one
we've never discussed before, with a brand new guest, Shusan
sat Shatzer, who's going to be here to talk about
energy healing and disrupting those patterns that are unhealthy. Tonight
on Vestiges after Dark. Well, hello everybody. Once again, I

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am your host, Bishop Brian Will with my co host
Jamie Wolf. Everybody, and we're here to bring to you
the season finale of Vestiges after Dark. It's been a
great season, as I said, and tonight should be no
exception to that rule. It's it's really been We've covered
some really good topics this this this season.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, it's been different. Good good job, Brandon.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, yeah, fresh he does. He kind of really is
the organizer for the show at this point, and he's
the one that sort of stimulates the conversation with questions
and topics that are relevant to all of you. So
if there is something that you would like us to
cover on this show, make sure you reach out to
him at office at Nicoleyan dot org. Just send an

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email to office at Nicolean dot org and I C.
H O. L. E A N. And Brandon will receive
it and try to integrate it into the winter spring
season next year. So we have actually liturgical librate libations
to celebrate tonight' finale. And this is this was my

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birthday gift from Jamie. Actually right, it was birth Yes, yeah,
I haven't opened it yet, well I did. I actually
opened it upstairs because I want to kind of get
a little preview. But this is the first day I've
opened it.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
This is a peeded Scotch, but not Scotch.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
It's not Scotch, right, It's.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
From Yeah Peter Whiskey from.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
India, India. Yeah, but it is made with Scottish well
peted Scottish Scottish barley. Yes, and so this is kind
of a unique experience. I already had a little bit
of a taste upstairs, and I'll say it is. You
definitely taste the peete. It's there, but it is a

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lot sweeter than I've ever really had an apeeded Scotch.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
So well, y'all know, if it's sweet, I'm gonna like it.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, yeah, so cheers, Yeah, it's it's I like it.
Lots of taste of fresh oak. Yes, the peat is
very mellowed and a blast of sugar. I get it.

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It's almost candy.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
I get a little bit of burnt caramel.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, I could taste that. Yeah, yeah, I like it.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
I think Father Chris might like it.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I don't know. I will have to ask him if
he likes uh sweet whiskeys. Let's find out of joining
us from Australia, Father Chris is with us. Do you
like sweet whiskey or do you like it more on
the the dry side?

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yeah, I kind of prefer dry whiskey, but if it's
peted it could be interesting because.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
It's interesting combination.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Have you had this Indian whiskey before?

Speaker 4 (06:47):
No, I don't think no, I've never had any Indian.
I have that French, the French peted whiskey.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Okay, yes, dobe is it?

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yes, it's kind of I liked it. Had a strange
aftertaste of what I'd say, and I don't. I can't.
I couldn't quite put my finger on. It was a
bit soapy like it was just like a soapy aftertaste.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Is that the one that kind of has a floral aftertaste?
You and I tried the cigar bar several years ago?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Well, no, that one wasn't peeded, so would it have
been the same thing. But this I'm root, I believe
is how you say I'm root. It actually is a
Sanskrit term and it is very very crisp tasting. Wouldn't
you say the sound that?

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, straight out of Cambapura.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
It's crisp, but it's like a blast of sugar. It
has a very sugary kind of of characteristic there.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
It's a little more subtle to me. But then again,
I like sweet. That's I'm a rye girl too for
you know, whiskey.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
This is very sweet, very sweet. I like it. It's
very good. Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
The number of Scots that we sent over with the
Britishised India Company. I can't imagine it's the first whiskey
I ever made in Indian.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
No, I don't think we have a lot. Well, we
have a lot of right now. A lot of the
local bottle shops they call them basically the small private
they call them bottle shops too, Yeah, the little bottle shops,
which are basically like the private little liquor stores. You'll
find usually more specialty items there, and a lot of

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them are owned by Indian owners and they have imported
a whole, like a whole aisles worth of Indian whiskeys
because they, you know, they're very proud of them. And
anytime I go in and buy a Scotch, they always
try to get me to buy one.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Of the I want something different but different. It's like, oh, yes,
you can come to me.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
This is my first time trying one, because I've been
a little on the skeptical side, but I actually kind
of like this this is not this is this is good. Yeah,
it's good. There you go, Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah,
all right. Joining us also from Tennessee, we have Brandon Milam.
How you doing tonight, Brandon.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
I'm pretty good. Kind of fund interesting. How you're talking
about just alcohol in general reminded me of after Mass
the week and we have visited where it was like
twelve in the morning, one in the morning, and you're
trying to explain why, and I can't understand what you're saying.
So I'm just standing there like, yeah, I understand nothing.

(09:28):
You know, Yeah, sounds good.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
You know, if you ask a question, you're going to
get an answer, very thorough answer.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I mean, there's no subtle way to really describe the
the alcohol making process. It's it's you're talking about true art.
This is true h and art. And what's the beautiful
thing about it?

Speaker 7 (09:52):
For me?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's a way of tasting, time of tasting history. These
these are processes that really haven't changed all that much.
They've made them. They've improved upon certain things, but overall,
you know, the way that we make whiskey today is
the same way we made it three hundred, four hundred
years ago, you know, you know, it's always been I

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guess about three hundred years ago that we've been making whiskey.
Seventeen hundreds, would you say, probably didn't go back too
sooner than that. I mean, I know that they had
some distill its that.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yes, it's as old as people think, as old people think.
Whiskey distilling came as a byproduct of the beer industry.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
That's true, right, And it really was only thought of
because some travelers to the East, as I understand it,
Irish travelers, as I understand it, Irish monks visited China
and saw their perfume industry, which was very prolific back then,

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and all of the perfumes were distilled in the way
that we make alcohol. And they, I guess somewhere got
the idea whenever we did that with like edible products.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Well you know this, you know, somewhere on the Silk Road,
meeting each other, how's about to taste? You know, I
can't see them getting getting drunk around the fire.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
And yeah, discussing hard liquor. Hard liquor is fairly new
to the world. I mean, if you consider it like
the last you know, three hundred or so years, it's
fairly new. Prior to that, it was really just uh,
beer and wine. And you know you.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Had the wine wasn't that good?

Speaker 2 (11:34):
No, in a lot of cases, it wasn't like what
the Romans considered wine, we would we would not find
probably drinkable. It was heavily diluted, mixed with all sorts
of different fruit juice. It's probably more like a sangria,
but maybe not as good, maybe not as good. And
uh and certainly I've always wondered, you know, what would

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the what did the wine at the last supper really
taste like? You know, because it probably wasn't all that great. Well,
he probably made it good, but well, you know the
wedding face of canna. You know, if they tell them
like this is the best wine I have ever tasted,
you say the best for last you know, it makes

(12:15):
me wonder. It's like this, Jesus, I want to show
you what wine's going to be like about, you know,
two thousand years from now. So that's what you're going
to taste that? All right, Brandon, I know you've got
some questions from the ether. Let's go in and jump
right in.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
So the first question is I still occasionally hear people
believing that during an investigation they don't encounter children spirits,
but evil spirits or demons pretending to be children. How
would you discern between the two.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, I mean, honestly, you know, and I think I
said this when we when it was asked on the network.
If demons really could or wanted to use this scheme
to try to facilitate some advantage over us, I think
it would be pretty stupid to do so, because it's
such a tired ploy. You know that they're not really

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fooling anybody anymore. So if this is what they think
is going to work, by pretending to be a child
so that it disarms us, I don't think that really works,
particularly with the advent of paranormal television, where it's become
sort of a trope and a bad one out there.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I know in my experience, and I know people have
had a lot more experience than me. If it's if
it's a child spirit, you're gonna know it. There's feelings
that you can't describe through equipment. If something dark is there,
you're gonna know it.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
That's true. There is definitely a difference.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
In energy and energy temperature.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
But I mean overall, the same rules always apply across
all investigations for us, and that is we always go
through the process that we have in place for moving
through the various stages of resolution. So every case, regardless

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unless something presents itself immediately to be obviously demonic, which
isn't very often, you know, and a lot of times
if that does happen, it's probably because there is no
pretense and they know that they're not fooling us, so
why bother kind of thing. It just becomes a lashing

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out at that point. But overall, if something is trying
to be deceptive in some way or it's just overall elusive,
because sometimes it's just elusive, because that's just the nature
of this stuff, we just go through the process of it.
So it always starts out with you know, the sacraments.
You know, we do usually unction because there's almost always

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a victim. You know, somebody's calling us in, somebody's not
feeling well because of it. So there's unction, confession if
they're open to it, Eucharist if they're open to it,
and it's appropriate. We do bring the Eucharist to every investigation.
We don't always bring it out at every investigation, but
we always have it with us, yeah, definitely. And then

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and then beyond that, you know, we'll go into other
things like the Office of the Dead or some house blessings,
that kind of thing. And if these things don't reveal
there to be.

Speaker 8 (15:32):
More.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Then usually that's it. We just relieve it at that
and problem resolved over some time, maybe maybe a few visits,
but overall, that's all that needs to be done. If
things escalate and then they don't get better at any point,
then we move into the next stage, where that's when
we start looking at minor exorcisms, and then all the

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way up to you know, the solemn exorcism if needed,
which is almost almost never needed, almost never. So overall,
as you as you go through this, it's not it's
less about trying to figure out what these things are
and just going through the normal pastoral processes that the
church has available to it and to to the priest,

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to the pastor whoever is working the case, and and
that's it. That's all you have to do, and then
whatever it is eventually gets resolved at one of those
various stages. You don't really have to spend too much
time trying to figure out is this a demon? Is
this a child?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Usually when you walk in with that white collar on it,
it usually pops off pretty quick. If it's something.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Dark, I mean, really, what it is is that because
there's no pretense at that point, they know they're not
going to fool us.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
We've walked through the front door and barely put the
bag down and all of a sudden things just come nuts.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, so overall, you know that that's that's kind of
how we look at it. And I noticed tonight we
have Susan in the chat. She's our guest. Tonight's Susan Shats,
And she asked the question that's kind of related to this,
so we'll answer it. She says, what's the scariest moment
we've had during an investigation? Well, I wouldn't say we've

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had too many scary moments.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Well, you and I don't scare easily, Yeah at all.
Actually I actually get excited when you do.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
You do.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
I've more crazy stuff as a cop. Yeah, I mean
I've seen I've seen humans do more terrible things than
anything pormal.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I think that's what it is for me too, is
that human evil is so much worse than supernatural evil.
So it's like supernatural evil is almost welcome compared to
having to deal with human evil. It's like supernatural evil's
almost refreshing because it's methodical, it follows rules. Human evil
doesn't do any of those things.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
It's unpredictable, is a cop go into a situation, anything
could happen, and you have to prepare for any situation,
which is scary because you don't know what's going to happen. Yes,
but going into this you know that there's there's a
rule book, so to speak, and so you know if
things go crazy, there's answer to it.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Absolutely. So as we go through I mean scary things,
I mean, you know, we've gotten some interesting EVPs. It
is always, if you think about it, maybe a bit
unsettling to think that there's you know, some kind of
of of awareness in these locations that seems to be

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keyed into or observing you when you don't necessarily expect
it or would expect it to be happening. But overall,
as you get into the nitty gritty details of this work,
you understand metaphysically what's going on, some of those preconceptions
start to fall away and it becomes very benign quick
I mean over almost almost to the point where now

(18:47):
when we do investigations, it's it's so you know, the
mystery of it is is so lost now, I mean,
we've here so far beyond.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Well to tonight's show, it's all about energy.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
It is about energy. And once you understand that, once
you understand how to work that energy, which we're going
to teach you tonight with with our guests. You know,
I don't I wouldn't say that there's really any room
left for being startled or frightened or afraid, you know, scared,
you know, So even even when you see an apparition,

(19:21):
you know, I mean there's been a handful of times
where I've been in a dark area by myself, you know,
with no light or just using infrared and just basically
the the infrared on my camera to on my on
my on my camera to get to walk, and you
see an apparition right there, Even that becomes somewhat boring,

(19:46):
I because it's it's almost like you kind of expect
these things to help. It is, it's just like any
other job. So it's it's kind of like, you know,
maybe when you're a fresh recruit out of out of academy,
right there's.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
There's a bit of fear there. Once you once you
were in your bones, yeah, get get into the thick
of it. You start to anticipate and you know what
to expect. There's patterns and everything like.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
A surgeon, you know. I mean, I would imagine the
first day you conduct surgery, there's a lot of nerves there.
You know, somebody's life is at risky exactly. But I
mean it has to be a first day, first day,
not on this gap, and I imagine they'd have to
be quite unsettled in that moment. I mean, granted, you're
probably not doing major surgeries at first, or you're you're

(20:33):
only being there as an aid, but eventually you do
your first heart surgery. You know, everyone has to start somewhere.
But I would imagine, you know, after after twenty years,
they're really they're not. There's not much anxiety for them anymore.
You know, they know it takes a heart.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
To heart with variables, exactly, And after so many years,
all the variables are dealt with too, so it really
just becomes a.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
It becomes part of the job, part of the job.
So I would say that we didn't really have scary moments.
We've had things that would probably scare people that are
not used to it.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
We've had a couple of things happened where we're all
look at each other light, did y'all see that? But afterwards,
you know, we pretty much laugh about it.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Kind of one of the most interesting things that ever happened.
That was the most remarkable thing I've ever captured on camera,
because a lot of times cameras just don't work when
the real good stuff happens. Was something that just happened
in my house. It wasn't even an investigation, but we
had this this the Christmas ornament that was on our mantle,
and I was having trouble sleeping that night and there

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was a I think I've even aired it on the
We've even aired on the show, I think before, and
I don't remember which episode that was in, but it's
somewhere in the archives. But anyway, you know, I was
up and I wouldn't want to wake my wife, so
I went down to my study and it was on
a different floor of the house and I was up

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to thirty three o'clock in the morning when suddenly I
I just this big bang upstairs. So you know, I
grabbed my gun. I thought someone was breaking in, I
really did, but the alarm didn't go off, so that
was a little strange. But I grabbed that gun just
in case. Ran up the stairs and you know, looking
around and couldn't find anything wrong, and I so I

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as I went into the living room, I noticed that
there was one of the heavy ornaments. Now, this thing's heavy.
It's about about i'd say about eight pounds, maybe maybe five,
you know, but heavy for an ornament. You know, that's
heavy for an ornament. So that's not going to be
moving anywhere.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
That's not going to fall over by itself.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Right, So I thought that was kind of strange. So
fortunately I have curty security cameras everywhere, and we had one,
you know, in that room for sure, And so I
went back to the security camera footage to see what
it had captured, and sure enough, it was the most
interesting thing I've ever seen. I'd say. For about a

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good eight or nine minutes, you can see the ornament
on the mantle rocking back and forth, back and forth,
back and forth, back and forth, and then all of
a sudden, it goes forward. And keep in mind, it's
beyond the mantle, it's beyond where it would be resting,

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so it's floating back and forth in mid air, okay,
And then it goes forward, and then it goes all
the way back outside of camera range, and then you
hear the band and that was all captured on the
security camera. Now I think that would scare some people.
Maybe it fascinated me because it was probably my best
capture ever and like a schoolgirl and told.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Me about it. Yeah, and we all try to debunk it.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, there's no way to debunk it. I mean, it
was very clearly in mid air, you know from the
and the footage caught it all. It's in the archives
on this show if you if somebody wants to dig
it out and let us know what show it was on.
But that is a good example of some of the
strange things as we've seen. Scary. I'm not so sure
we can call it that, but for some people it

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might be. Okay, what's our next question?

Speaker 5 (24:09):
All right, So sticking on this similar topic question from
April and can't spirits, demon's ghosts, et cetera kill you?
They're always showing that or saying that on TV or movies.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
No, I mean they can in a sense that the
energy of death because energetically it follows an archetypal pattern
like anything else does, so lycatracts, like is a universal
metaphysical law. So things that align it's themselves with death,

(24:44):
the death archetype and I'm not talking about the good
variations of it, like transformation you would see in the taro.
I'm talking about entropy, destruction, sickness, that archetype of death.
If one aligns themselves to that frequency enough, then eventually
they start to become that frequency.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I think also if you have the proclivity for the
lower vibration you already have, like if you're already sick
and you don't know it, or you have the proclivity
to become sick if you're exposed to it over a
long time, kind of like we've talked about radiation, you'll
get sick and it can make you very sick.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
It can. Yeah, it is like radiation, so overall that
can kill you. So for example, when you move into
let's say, a haunted house that is traditionally confirmed to
be haunted, and it's because there are spirits of the
dead still present in that location, that energy of death

(25:46):
changes the frequency of that location to the point that
the living start to take some of that energy into them. Now,
I want to make it very clear, it's not as
though this is negative or toxic energy. It's it's negative
only in the sense that the living we're never designed
to be regularly exposed to it. Why there's a chasm

(26:11):
between what we call the living and the dead for
a reason that they're not really supposed to mingle. And
this is where a lot of the traditional concepts and
judaism come from, the idea of graveyards being unclean, and
you know, corpses being unclean. This is part of where

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that comes from. There's a metaphysical knowingness to this, and
that energy is not conducive to the living. So the
more that we go through our lives absorbing that negative energy,
the more it can sicken us to the point that
it can become us and literally take us. So it's

(26:53):
not as though there's this incorporeal being sneaking around in
the corners of your house looking for a chance to
kill you, like you might see in a horror movie.
It's more along the lines of that you're you're existing,
trying to live in an environment that is saturated with

(27:15):
the energy of death, and that just brings your vibration down.
It's not compatible, and that can make you sick and
that can hurt you. But no, ghosts do not go
around trying to kill you. That's not how work.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I don't think. You go over to somebody's house for
a party whatever, and you meet you meet somebody, do
your introductions, and you just feel someone's vibe is off
and you really don't want to stay around them, but
you're kind of stuck at the party with them. Over time,
you start to get irritated and you can feel the
energy come off that well this is me anyway, you
can feel the energy come off the person. If it's negative,

(27:46):
it'll it'll drag you down, it'll it'll make you depressed,
make you want to leave.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
It doesn't, it really can, and it will. So that's
one of the risk factors. Now, Brandon, I noticed that
for some reason when you talk, your screen gets small
and I'm not sure why.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
Yeah, I don't know either.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh no, you're normal. Now you're normal. Now, okay, it's fixed.
I don't know what you did, but it's fixed. All right.
So do you have any questions about that? Or I
did that answer it?

Speaker 5 (28:19):
You answered them. That's probably one of the biggest questions
we've had since we've investigated, was could but ghost kill
people and whatnot? But seeing that it's all energetic, like
that's the baseline, just everything starts to make sense when
you look at it from that vantage point.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
It's actually a good question to ask on this show
because I'm sure you know we're going to be talking
about healing and stuff. But I mean, tonight, I think
you'll see that it all kind of works together because
I have always taught everybody on this show. I've taught
my students, I've taught the church, I've taught this audience.
Everything in the cosmos is a combination of vibration and geometry.

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That's it that you know, we call things things and
we kind of like come up with these concepts like
the three states of matter and the various forms of
energy and whatnot, but in the end, it is all
vibration and geometry, and that's it. We our brains are
just wired into making something out of that so that

(29:27):
it's more relatable, you know, for the purposes of survival. Really,
it is what it comes down to. But overall, it's
all it is, and what is vibration but frequencies of energy.
So you know, once you understand that, then you can
start working with it to your advantage. And that's kind

(29:49):
of what an exorcist does. I mean, you know, that's
what grace is it really is, is that, you know,
we can make it a mystical thing and a mysterious
thing and the power of God and all that stuff,
which it is. It's not that that those concepts are wrong.
But you know, even God uses the creation that he
manufactured in according to how the rules that he put

(30:14):
in place work, and so he's not going you know,
even miracles themselves are going to work within the framework
of the energy of the cosmos. So even things like
healing or you know, mystical experiences are going to work
through that energetic framework. It's not just going to come
out of nowhere. It's it feels like that because we're

(30:36):
not used to king into the energy. But once you
ken into the energy as a mystic, would.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
You know vibrational hearings making a healing is making a comeback.
You know how there's a new movement new to me.
They're bringing back tuning forks. Oh yeah, used for for
energetic healings. For Susan might be able to tell us
about that.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Maybe she can, Yeah, maybe she can? All right, so
what's our that's our next one.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
The next one comes from Jay regarding the Book of Revelation.
Are there really for horsemen.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well, I mean conquests, war, famine, and death are real.
They are actual things, and they exist in some form
of fashion every single day. So in that sense, and
this is the sense in which Revelation speaks of them us.
That is, yes, they are real. Now, if you're thinking
of them in terms of the images that were presented

(31:32):
for the allegorical framework of Revelation, then no, they are.
You know, they're not horsemen in a sense that there
are actual for horses out there spreading these kinds of
things across the creation. They represent arche typically, these fundamental aspects.

(31:53):
And when you think about it, okay, war, famine, and
death are all aspects of the demonic. Right, conquest is
the only one that represents Christ. Okay, because Christ triumphs
over war, famine, and death. You know, those are all
aspects of destruction. Right, All of these are aspects of

(32:17):
the demonic and and we must literally conquer these things
through the grace of the Church. And that's what Revelations
speaking to. It makes sense to portray them in some
kind of dramatic way using ancient symbolism. Horses and horsemen
are you know, very ancient symbols that carry a type

(32:41):
of archetypal weight to them when you're telling a type
of story like this. But I mean, you know, it's
it's it's it's poetry, Revelations poetry, you know, and I
don't think we do it a disservice when we try
to remove Revelation from the poetry. Father Chris, you know,
we've talked a lot about this and various forms of

(33:02):
eschatology or different times that we've discussed it. But you
know what seems to be coming back over and over
again is this idea of this the literalism of revelation.
You know, is there anything you'd like to add that
you haven't already? You know that kind of maybe hammers
it home, so brings it home so people will finally,

(33:23):
once and for all realize that Revelation is not a
literal book and never was intended to do.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
You're calling in the sledgehammer. Now, yeah, look, I've said
before that, I mean, look, biblical scholarship is that. I'm
not just saying this because I do have, in fact
to have a major in biblical scholarship. But biblical scholarship
is not easy and it's not something. I mean, two

(33:49):
things can be true at once. Yes, it's great for
people to read the scriptures themselves, absolutely definitely, even better
if you're reading a Bible that's got, you know, that's
been published by an accreditable authority, that has got some reflections,

(34:09):
particularly on the most difficult books within it. So that's
a good thing to do. But relying on yourself or
relying on this what you think is the Holy Spirit
to tell you what it means is not a very
good idea. And that's not and it's not to say
that everyone should be a biblical scholar. Heaven forbid, there

(34:31):
will be a very boring place. But the idea that
you can read something as complicated as the Book of
Revelation the Apocalypse, which was written nearly two thousand years
ago by somebody in a different language, and you can
just read that and say, right, and now I know

(34:52):
exactly what this means for me now? Or is this
is a textbook for how our blessed will return? And
most people that read it that way think, you know,
have got the arrogance to presume that the Lord will
return while they're still alive. And so I just think
if you just you know, zone out a bit out

(35:12):
of yourself and think these are things that have been
written a long time ago by different people, that have
in fact been interpreted by many people, including those with
authority within the church over the years. Perhaps have a
little look at all of that first before you, before
you start trying to announce to yourself or to others

(35:34):
your unique personal revelation that God is speaking to you
through this thing.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, we've had too many churches opened up with that
with that attitude. Well, I read the Bible and the
Lord spoke to me, and now I have my own
church and it's completely We.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Have a lot of cults that start that way. Well,
well that.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Was my next thing out of my mouth was that's
how cults started.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
But yeah, yeah, you know, I mean that's right, that's right.
I mean the framework of the magisterium of the church.
I mean, look, I'm the first one to criticize the
Roman Catholic Church where it deserves criticism, and there's a

(36:17):
lot of things they could do a lot better, but
the one thing that they did not get wrong definitively
is the magisterium and the need for the magisterium. You
have to have a framework, You have to have a
foundation that holds through the centuries and keeps it together.
Otherwise people just go off on weird tangents and you

(36:38):
will have no you won't have a belief system. After
too long, it will just break into a thousand parts
and nothing will be representative or even familiar.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Compared to what the human paradigms and popularity contests.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
It is. It is, and you have to go into
this knowing. I think the wisdom of the Church is
such that they knew this, and they I really think,
you know, people criticize these ecumenical counsels and say, you know,
the church became political and all this stuff, but what
they don't really take into consideration is in your obsession

(37:15):
with trying to call the church out for trying to
obtain political control over people's lives, you fail to see
what it really was. And yeah, I'm not saying people
didn't use it that way. They did, but that was
not the intention. The intention was always recognizing human behavior.
And when you're looking at all of these heresies, right,
all of these alternative systems of belief that were completely

(37:38):
contrary to what the fathers of the Church knew to
be true, because they're the ones that were in direct
line to the Apostles, and the Apostles were the ones
that were in direct line to Jesus. Okay, So when
you look at it from that framework and they see
all these other people that never knew Jesus, never knew
the Apostles, you know, making up stuff, taking these books
or taking these ideas and running off with them and

(37:59):
doing their own things with them, You're going to say,
you know what, we need to all get together and
we need to lay down the law and what it
is that we believe as Christians, what is the Christian faith?
And how do we hold this together? And that's what
it was. Can that be used for political control? Absolutely?
And it was, absolutely, But that's not what it started
out as. And that doesn't make it wrong. Just because

(38:20):
people abused it, you know, I mean, you can abuse anything.
I mean, look, I'm drinking. I'm drinking a wonderful Indian
whiskey here tonight. There are many people that could not
do this without i know, right, take yourself under the goss,
maybe on break. You know, some people couldn't do this
without excess. There are alcoholics in the world. They shouldn't

(38:41):
touch this stuff, okay, But just because they abuse it
doesn't make this a bad thing, and it's certainly not
a bad thing for me. I mean, I tried to
do it responsibly. You know, maybe there's been two days
in my life where I didn't.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
The same thing about firearms.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, firearms are another example of this.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
My whole life protect people with mine.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
So I mean, right, it depends on the person. You
can take a hammer and you can build a house
with it. You can take a hammer and kill someone
with it. I mean, does the hammer Is it the
hammer's fault? I mean, is it really the hammer's fault?
Or do you just have something that is a powerful
tool that can be used anyway that the will of
the individual wants. And that's the difference. So blame the

(39:22):
will of the individual, don't blame the tool. And this
was a tool. I got a little off that. But
this is why revelation is a problem for people today,
because people took it and ran with it instead of I.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Mean, that's how I was raised to believe it almost literally.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
I know, I know it's a very common thing. And
Brandon Brandon can testify to that too, he's lived it.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
I can testify to that. To where it was the
first part of revelation was based on events that already happened.
But now this part of revelation is where to look
forward to We're trying to decode some sort of end times,

(40:08):
to try to triangulate when the anti Christ would show
up or something.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
I think that's a useful distinction. But on that point,
on the looking ahead to X, it's fairly clear from
the imagery used that this is talking about the Roman Empire.
It's talking about you know, yes, future events for Saint
John of pat Moss who's writing it, but events that

(40:37):
have in fact already happened for us.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah. And the reason it's in there at all because
I think we were asked that by one of our
members on the Nicolay Network this week. You know, why
do I think that revelation when it's when it has
been so debated and even the Orthodox Church, the Eastern
Orthodox Church, you know, some of had real problems with
including it in the cannon, you know, and still do

(41:02):
some still like I wish it was never included. I've
known many priests, even in the Eastern Catholic Churches that
feel that way about it. It's an Eastern thing mostly,
but because of this, it's proclivity to be so misinterpreted
and misused. So he asked me, why do I think
it was included? Well, first of all, Augustin loved it, Okay,
So Augustin was really adamant about it, and you know,

(41:23):
back then what he said seemed to win because he
was very much a foundation to much of what the
Church would become later on. But even outside of that,
I really think it is the only book we have
that really details, in some kind of clever way, the
ultimate correction of this of the fallen cosmos and to

(41:46):
its ultimate perfect restoration. We don't really have any books
that talk about that. This is one that does. And
to bookend the Bible with Genesis and Revelation makes perfect
sense because they're both the most metaphoric of books. And
that's because all you've got at that point is metaphor.
You nobody knows how everything began, so we have a

(42:09):
metaphor to tell us what that's like, and nobody knows
how it's going to end. We have a metaphor to
tell us what it's like. And certainly early Christians could
have looked at their lot in the Roman Empire and
seen a parallel to well, this is what it's going
to be like the world is going to continue to
progressively get worse until Christ comes back, but it will

(42:31):
all be okay because He is coming back and it
will all be fixed. That's the message. That's it. It
was never supposed to. It's not a map for trying
to figure out when he's coming. In fact, Jesus repeatedly
warns in the Gospels not to do this. He even
says if somebody says this is the date, avoid that person.
And yet everyone's jumping at the chance to be the
one to say, I'm going to predict it. I'm going

(42:51):
to predict the end. Jesus said, avoid you.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Is the inevitable temptation towards narcissism. And again you just
have to remember this was written by somebody that's not
a Gnostic. You know, Christianity encounters Nism, you know, I
suppose as. But really after this has been written, you know,

(43:17):
and the author is not is not steeped in it.
And so and like you say, Saint Augustine was was
a big fan of it remaining in the canon, since
Augustine was also rather a post a Gnosticism, so to
read it, to read it in a Gnostic manner, which
is which is really what you're describing, this sort of

(43:37):
oh this secret keys and information in here he used today. Right, Yeah,
it's not you know, it's just it's just it's not
only bad religion, it's bad scholarship too.

Speaker 8 (43:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
I mean when you think about when the scripture says
that God is not the author of confusion, we know
who the author of confusion is, So why would you
think that his word would be presented in a way
that would be intentionally confusing unless you're corrupting it. Clearly,

(44:13):
it isn't supposed to be confusing. It was never intended
to be confusing. It became that way when people felt
that there's got to be some code here, something that
needs to be figured out. And that's because there was
a time where Christians could not speak freely and therefore
had to use a sort of clandestine language that the

(44:35):
Romans would have overlooked or just disregarded, and they would
have looked at this and said, oh, it's just you know,
bad poetry or something. It's not their concern, it's just
some kind of nonsense, whereas it would have meant something
to Christians in the know. So in that sense, you
could say that it had a sort of clandestine function
just to be able to protect people. But it was

(44:57):
there were words of encouragement. It was just way of
getting the message across that Christ lives, he's coming back,
It's all going to be okay in the end, don't
worry about no matter how bad things get. And no,
he told us to expect things are going to get bad,
so you know, it's not like you didn't know. But
he fixes it and that's it. It was just a
message to tell all Christians, it really was. It was

(45:19):
just a message to let the Christians know, you know,
chill out, he's in control. You're fine. And then we
turned it into this it's gotta be some little secret code,
some mystery and we got to figure it out. When
Jesus is coming back. This is going to prove that
this guy's the Antichrist. That guy's the Antichrist. Everyone's the Antichrist.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
And we love a good mystery and we love to
try and figure puzzles out. Just human nature.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
It is, but it's it's it's very problematic when it
comes to religion. Wait, it's not because religion is not
supposed to be complicated thing. It is supposed to to
be something that's that's transparent to you. I think the
Gospel is very trans parent and it's and it's approaching
its intention. Yeah, there's mysteries there only because God is

(46:06):
so far and be honest, but not because he wants
to be mysterious. It's just because we're just that the.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Things that are most important are really explicit, very much so. Yeah,
and because those things are actually quite difficult. Love your neighbor,
love your enemy, you know, follow pick up across and
follow me these things. Nobody disputes what these things mean
in the scriptures, right, they're really as plain as the

(46:32):
nose on your face. But they're they're they're really difficult
things to do because they require something of us, right, So,
and we're lazy, and so we'd rather focus on the
minutii of Oh well, you know, can I find an
alternative meaning of what the eagle is in Sir John
of Patmos's Apocalypse? You know, if I focus on that,
I don't need to worry about the fact that I can't.

(46:53):
But I hate people. I understand the temptation. I mean, yeah,
Biblical scholars can be the most guilty. We can spend
our time doing that and legitimize, and by the way,
there is a legitimate reason to do that, but we
can't do that to the neglect of the really obvious things,
because the purpose of the scriptures is not to give

(47:15):
you a blueprint for what to do in every single
moment of your life. You know, which shampoo should I
use or you know, that's not the purpose of it.
It is not a blueprint for the minutial minutiae, the
details of your life. That's for you to discern. But
it absolutely gives you the direction of your life. The

(47:37):
direction is to follow Christ and to do that in
a way that's sacrificial and that and that places love
of yourself within the context of love of God and neighbor,
and to not make an idol of yourself or of
any other person, or of any other thing, but to
follow God. And that's a really hard thing to do.
But the scriptures are really really clear and plain at encouraging.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
That, I think. So, I mean, the be attitudes are
pretty simple. I mean, you know, Jesus does give us parables,
you know, but even the parables are not so outlandish
that they could be taken a million different ways. I mean,
they're pretty self explanatory. I think most of the time
the world.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Is completely like it gets things, so back to front
some of them. Some of the people say things are
complex when they're not complex. They're just hard. Right, So
the beatitudes are actually not complex, they're really simple. They're
just really hard to hard. Yeah, and complicated and difficult

(48:36):
are not the same thing.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
That's true. That is true. People conflate the two, but
they're not the same. You're right about that, well, Brandon,
I mean we've got maybe about eleven more minutes here,
So do you want to get to a question on
Catholicism how he didn't get to or do you have
another one there?

Speaker 4 (48:57):
I can just carry on down the list.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
We can. I mean we left off at I mean,
we could probably answer this one in ten minutes. I
think we left off of whyer Catholics believe the Eucharus
is being the actual body of blood of Christ was
Did we answer that last week?

Speaker 3 (49:10):
I think I think we did. I think we were
on six or seven.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Okay, so it's up to why can't non Catholics receive communion?

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Yeah, we didn't see it.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Okay, So this is an interesting thing because I got
to give you two answers for this one, because there
are churches that have close communion, of which the Roman
Catholic and Ortho Eastern Orthodox churches are, and then there's
churches that have a open communion or a semi open communion.
We have a semi open communion in this church. It's

(49:40):
not open in the generic sense that anybody can just
come up and receive Okay, there has to be two
things in the Nicolean Church for a person to receive
communion here. One is you have to be baptized, plain
and simple. Without that sacrament, you're not in the union.
I mean, you can't be. I mean you know that

(50:02):
has to come first. After that, then there has to
be some fundamental understanding of what you're receiving. I'm not
asking for perfect understanding, but you have to know that
we're not dealing with a symbol here. It's not an allegory.
This is the actual body and blood, soul and divinity
of Jesus Christ. And you have to be able to
understand that, at least in as much as this is

(50:24):
what the church teaches it is. I'm not expecting everybody
to fully grasp that or fully embrace that. I don't
think even many Catholics do, my Roman Catholics do, but
at least they do usually at least they should understand
what the church teaches about that and why it teaches
what it does about it. Now, there's good arguments for
a closed communion too, even though our church does not practice,

(50:48):
you know, restrictive closed communion. And that's because the spirit
of this church is about bringing Christians back together, not
further finding ways to separate us. But the other side
of the coin of that, and the deficit to that
is definitely recognized in how the Roman Catholic Church protects
against it, and the Orthodox churches as well, is that

(51:09):
holy communion for these churches is more than just receiving
the body of blood of Christ or believing that it
is what it is. It's also recognizing that you are
part of a communion of belief. And so this is
where the idea of saying are you going to holy communion?
Are you receiving holy communion? Why the sacrament is even

(51:30):
called communion. A lot of people think it's about communing
with God. It's about communion with everybody, including God. And
if you're welcoming or offering this to someone who is
adamantly against or outside your communion. Well, then it changes
that structure, because the communion is a communion of faith,

(51:52):
and it's also a communion of the ecclesiastical life, and
those things are necessary in order to understand the body
and blood of Christ itself. Now, I would argue that again,
as long as one is working on this understanding sincerely,

(52:15):
then it's not sacrilegious or something for them to receive it.
But the church would generally say, at least again, the
Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches would generally say that
you need to go through the steps of becoming part
of the communion of faith before you're ready to take
on the great and awesome responsibility of that mystery. And

(52:39):
I like that. I do in some ways agree with that.
Our charism is different in this church, so we have
to approach it a little bit differently because of the
way our church operates. Because there is a danger as well.
If one, as Saint Paul would say, eats or drinks
of this sacrament unworthily, then they eat and drink their

(53:02):
own condemnation. And certainly we don't want to be a
facilitation for greater sin either, and we don't want to
just be so permissive that we treat it as though
it's a it's a casual thing. So my argument to
or my suggestion rather to Protestants who might be attending
a Catholic church for the first time and feeling a

(53:24):
little bit isolated and restrictive because they're not allowed or
welcome to come up and receive communion when they come
and visit, my question would be, like, analyze that for
a minute. The fact that this bothers you could be
God calling you to something greater. Maybe you need to
explore that, find out why you're feeling emotional about this
particular thing, and instead of feeling like the church is

(53:46):
excluding you, why don't you see what you need to
do to become part of it in a deeper and
more profound way so that you can engage that mystery
at a deeper level. I know, Father Chris, you probably
have some great words to say about this one as well,
you know, from particularly from the more traditional standpoint.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Yeah, I mean, just one slight amendment is and I
know you know this, is that the Roman Catholic Church
does in fact allow communion from those outside of the
Catholic Church. There are two specific circumstances for that. One is,
Eastern Orthodox Christians are welcome to receive communion in the

(54:24):
Catholic Church. The Orthodox Church tell them they can't. But
the but the Roman Catholic Church certainly allows Greek Orthodox.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
That's because Roman Catholic see the Orthodox Church is part
of their communion.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
They absolutely do so. Orthodox Christians don't have to be
confirmed by a Roman Catholic bishop to receive communion in
the Catholic Church. They can, they can receive union. The
other the other difference is, and this is in the Catechism.
If if a Christian does not have access to the

(54:56):
sacraments of their own denomination UH and believe in the
Body of Lord of Christ, they are in fact allowed
to receive communion in the Catholic Church.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
That's the framework from which the Nicoleyan Church operates.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
Of course, and by the way, it's the only, it's
the only theologically coherent position to take. I think, I
actually think the Orthodox are wrong about in their restriction
of that, although I I mean, look, I don't past pastorally.
I'm sure if you were at war and you had
no access to anything else, an Orthodox priests would be

(55:31):
ready and willing to receive you into the church and
therefore give you communion.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
So I think, I think, so, I hope so that's true.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
But I've certainly been in in in you know, circumstances
where and it works in the word where Roman Catholic
Roman Catholics are also allowed to receive communion from priests
who are not fully in communion with the Holy see again,
under circumstances of extremists, which could be you know, the

(56:00):
of death or if there's no access to any other means,
so you're you're in a war zone and the chaplain's
you know whatever. So but in terms of like I
understand the pain of people who go, oh, why can't
receive communion? I think, well, actually, instead of looking at
what you can't do, look at what look at this
is true or fasting too, you should look at the

(56:22):
gifts that God is offering you. So God is offering
you the gift of being able to be present of
the mass. Now that's not nothing. Be grateful for that,
just like be grateful for that God has given you life.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
And so.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
I think, rather than looking at the negative, look at
the positive, which is to say, the Catholic Church is
not trying to put barriers in the way or or
you know, whenever, denomination not trying to put barriers in
the way, but they invite you as far as they're able.
You know, there was a time when the you know,

(56:58):
and it's still part of the the liturgy of Saint
John Crossostom in the Eastern Rite where they say Catacumans depart,
or you know, let none of the Catacubans remain, and
people that were even people who were faithfully seeking kaksis
in the Orthodox Church had to leave because this is
the bit where communion happens, where the body of Blood

(57:19):
of Christ becomes present. Now they still say that in
the liturgy, but there's no expectation that the Catacumbans have
to leave.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
But there wasn't a Russian there's a Russian Orthodox Church
around here that still does that, but I don't think
the Greeks do it.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
Only wouldn't be allowed behind the econostasis, no, never if
you're a male. But but yeah, I think look at
it as it's that the Church is trying to protect
you as well, because until you come to the fullness
of the faith of understanding that the body of Blood

(57:54):
of Christ not just that you know, okay, I understand
that you teach that in the Bread and the wine
that's now the body lot of Christ. In a way,
that's actually not enough. It is about understanding why the
Church has come to that conclusion. Now, hey, there are
people who are baptizing Catholic churches who have no understanding

(58:15):
of this, either.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Cradle Catholics that have no understanding.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
That they are in a different category because they are
in fact already members of this and their own laxadaisical
approach to it is on them, And the Catholic Church says, well,
that's up to you. You know, we've taught you. Now
it's over to you. Actually, what the Catholic Church's saying
to people who have not gone through that process is
you might not know better. So you know, this is

(58:40):
why we have these principles, and if you want to
find out more, let us know. Because in fact, they
want to welcome you into Comedian they do.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
I mean, it's really an invitation. I look at it
this way. Instead of looking at it as like you're
not allowed to do something, look at it as you're
being introduced to this wonderful thing. Think of it almost
like you know, you're sitting in your living room, you know,
just moping around, and you turn on the TV and
you see this travel show that has this amazing exotic location. Well,

(59:10):
you can't just pick up and go right now. Most
of us could not just pick up and just go
and visit this place right now. You'd have to prepare
for it. You'd have to go and you know, figure
out how much it's going to cost, where you want
to stay, what you want to do, what's going to
be involved in going on this trip. You will be
able to go. You just have to go through the
steps to prepare and get there so that you can
actually enjoy the trip once you're there. I kind of

(59:33):
look at it that way. This is an invitation for
you and the fact that it bothers you that you've
been excluded, If that's how you indeed do feel, then
that's even more so an invitation. That's maybe that's a call.
You need to discern that more and find out why
it could lead to some great things. Okay, we're going
to take our break here and when we come back,
we will be talking about energy with our brand new guests.

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Know we got already. Save do not alave.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Welcome back, everyone to the second hour of Vestiges after Dark.
We're getting started here with tonight's topic on energy and
healing and uh and as a universal principle, I think
going to be a nice way to end off this
season with a new topic, something we haven't covered before
and always fun to have a new guest on. So

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we'll be taking your questions mostly in the second hour,
but if you're on the line, go ahead and stay
on the line so you don't lose your place. If
you have questions, you can ask them in the chat room.
Our moderators will bring them to our attention. Okay. I'll
also have the phone number up on the screen if
you want to call into the show during the third hour. Okay,

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don't go anywhere We'll be back in just a moment. Okay, everybody,

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We are ready now to get started with our guests tonight.
Susan Schatzer is a globally recognized transformational healer, visionary thought leader,
and the founder of the Limitless Life Institute. Known as
a master pattern interrupter, she specializes in helping clients gently
yet powerfully shift the unconscious thoughts, emotions, and energetic patterns

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that keep them stuck. With over twenty years of experience,
blending ancient energetic traditions with forward thinking spiritual technologies, Susan's
work has been featured on international stages, including a recent
energetic activation at the Academy Awards. She's the author of
fourteen published books. In her highly anticipated fifteenth, Your Limitless Life,

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is set to empower readers with the tools to transform
from within. Please welcome to Vestiges after Dark, Susan Shatzer.
How you doing tonight, Susan, Oh, wait, here we go now,
we got you. Okay, sorry, your micro's off. I got
you now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Oh.

Speaker 11 (01:10:45):
I had a fabulous time in the first hour hanging
out in the YouTube chat area.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Right, We've got a great audience. I think they're really
going to love you very open minded audience, and we
have people from all walks of life. What you see
here is really the smallest part of the show. These
are the diehards that need to be at the live recording,
but the on demand audience is all over the world,

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with large numbers of people in India and the UK.
That in Indonesia is another our number fourth location now,
so a lot of people all over from different walks
of life come to this show to learn a little
bit of something about everything, and this show covers every topic.
So we're very happy to have you with us and
to share your insights with us.

Speaker 11 (01:11:33):
Thank you so much. It's my honor to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Yeah, it's ours, it's ours to have you. Thank you
for coming. Yes, absolutely, So let's get started. Since you've
not been on the show before, and for a lot
of our audience, you're going to be new for them.
What how do you describe what a transformational healer is?
Let's get started at that point.

Speaker 11 (01:11:57):
Yeah, I'd be happy to chat about it. So, transformational
healing is basically when someone has tried all the self
help books, they've bend to webinars, seminars, podcasts, and like
their life is still in the same place it was
before they started it all, you know, the gratitude journaling,
and they just haven't been able to figure it out

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on how to be successful or move forward or create
something different in their life. That's where the transformation comes in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
The healing is from them interesting. So it definitely will
speak to a lot of people. Then, because I know
that that's a big issue. People will try different fads,
they'll get involved in different topics, they'll read different books,
and they'll lock on to different speakers, and then they
find that their life's really not changing at all, and
then they give it up and then they feel that,

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you know, it was all for nothing, or they wasted
their time, or they start to become despondent because then
they don't feel like there's anything for them.

Speaker 11 (01:12:54):
Yeah, we were actually taught to figure it out when
we were growing up, like you were taught with your
parents in the school system to find the right answer,
make a good choice. You had to figure it out.
This life, third dimension reality, Earth is not about figuring
anything out. It's about the energy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Yeah, that's true, it really, I mean I tell people
all the time it's about energy. Once you understand that,
you know that's when things change. So in your biography
we mentioned that you're a master pattern interrupter. So what
exactly is a pattern interrupter and how does that differ
from traditional healing that people might be familiar with.

Speaker 11 (01:13:36):
Yeah, So the beautiful part about pattern interrupting is where
you've been doing the same thing over and over again,
consciously and unconsciously based on something you were sold at
an early age and or something you brought in with
you from a past life, or you have a karmic

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replay that's taking out play out, And what happens is
when those things show up in your life, there's you're
you'urine what's called a no choice reality.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Yeah, and that sounds pretty bad. It sounds kind of
like you feel like you're at the mercy of the
cosmos at that point. You don't feel like you have
any control left.

Speaker 11 (01:14:19):
Well, it's something you're because we didn't. That's why conscious
education is going to be education done differently, and we're
going to be able to work with kids, parents, adults,
everybody all together in creating a different possibility. Like you
were taught to get the answer and memorize the answer
and learn the material to give the answer back, and

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a lot of that stuff either isn't true, isn't real,
isn't right, and isn't relevant to everybody's life. So what
we'll be doing is doing it based on like someone
who just loves it, if they feel drawn to a
certain area of study, then that that would be the
direction they would go in. And most of the education

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won't be based on you know, you're at this age
and this is what you've got to learn, and then
you get in this grade and this is what you learn,
and this is your teacher, and this is what you have.
It's going to be like, hey, that interests me, I'm
going to go do it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
And see that makes so much more sense, doesn't it.
Because we are, i think, out of efficiency and because
we live in a world where people want everything standardized
so that it's cost effective, simple. You know, we just
sort of put everybody in one box and expect everyone
to fit. And then when people fall through the loops,

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you know, through the cracks, rather they they they'll say, well,
you're not keeping up or there's something wrong with you,
you know, because then they just focus on the people
who are able to work with those types of restrictions
that everybody can.

Speaker 11 (01:15:51):
Yeah, it's true. It's one of the only things that
hasn't evolved here on earth. So communication has evolved, transportation
has evolved, like machinery, cars, the medical field, like, everything's evolved,
but yet our kids are still in their seats, raising
their hands and waiting for the belter ring. I'm sorry,

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but after one hundred years, we need to step up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
I agree with that I flunked out a practice almost.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
I don't agree.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
I almost.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
Wife is my wife is. This is her field of expertise.
She has a PhD in Congressy of Psychology. She works
in the educational field of how children learn to listen.
Where we can agree, I think is that if we
remain in that mode of, you know, for the rest

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of our lives thinking that's how we're supposed to live,
then we can agree that that's not a brilliant way
to do things. I think that statistics show that children
have been let down by inquiry learning. So in other words,
like inquiry learning is rate once you've got a body
of knowledge. And actually, where we've let our kids down

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really badly is is instead of teaching them actual just things,
like the just things you need to know, this happened
at this date this person wrote this. You know, this
is the sort of canonical understanding of this. Then you
can go off and be creative because you've got something
from which to be creative with. But this whole kind

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of you know, wasting a whole day. I'll figure out
how to purify water instead of saying, actually you can
evaporate it, collect it, and then that will take the
salt out of the water, like you know. So I
think teaching has been actually caught into terrible worlds, you know,

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one of the sort of yes, the Victorian thing of
sit down, shut up, and listen, not always great, but
the complete I'll go and explore and find what gives
you your passion, you know, and then then they actually
go to high school and they can't read and write,
which which means they'll never learn anything. So it's you know,
I think teaching discipline is also important, you know, not rigidly,

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not that you stay there, but that then gives you
the ability to to when you go off to do
your inquiry, to do in a disciplined and way that's
going to actually benefit you and other people.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I think structure a straw man.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
I'm sure you were you weren't talking against that, I
don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
I mean, I mean, Susan, you can, you can speak
to this, but I wouldn't want to say that. I don't.
I don't. I don't think that she was exactly saying that.
But I do think that what is what what what
we are missing in our system? Maybe it's more of
an American problem than where you are.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
The American education system it's very horrible forty years and.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
I mean it's rubbish, it is and and and I
can tell you from personal experience, the fact is that
not every child can learn the same way, and there
is no accommodation for that because basically, at least here
in the US, the attitude is, then you've got a

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learning disability, you've got ADHD. Let me give you some
drugs to help you get through life. That's the solution.
That has been the problem for the last several decades.
You know, A little low fact, no, now, a little
now fact about me. I nearly flunked out of fifth, sixth,
and seventh grade. I mean borderline, you know. And of

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course they put me through all these tests and all
these various things, and they were you know, they they
the initial assessment was, you know, you're telling my parents
your child has a learning disability. You know, he's not
able to keep up, he needs to be brought down
a level. All this nonsense when it turns out what
it was is I was bored to death with their

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with their restrictive thinking and learning stuff that literally was
not enlightening in even the slightest bit of way. So
it wasn't until college that I realized I'm not a
bad student because I had a you know, I graduated
in magna cimlaude, and it wasn't Suma only because of
a stupid poetry class that I took that. I just

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there was nothing you could do to please that professor.
She would give everybody a be even if you were perfect.
That it's just the way she was ill. Yeah, yeah,
But anyway, Susan, please speak to to your thoughts on
what father Chris just said.

Speaker 11 (01:20:29):
So, Father Chris, like I adore you, I do, and
your thought process has been exactly what has kept us
where we are now. So is it okay if I
take us back?

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Yes, please do so.

Speaker 11 (01:20:47):
When you're born, your first language is not the one
you learned to speak at home. It's energy. So when
you are with Annie and babies, they'll look up at
the wall, they'll look around, they'll stare, they giggle, they cute,
and you're like, what is that baby looking at?

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Like?

Speaker 11 (01:21:08):
What is that animal tracking over there? Well, they can
see the unseen because they have not been indoctrinated into
this reality. So the very first thing you're taught as
a child are your colors. So you're taught that this
frequency right here is purple, this frequency is white. Repetition repetition.

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Repetition creates the neuropathway that eventually you only see the color,
you don't actually see the energy. So as soon as
you get your colors down, you've got a neuropathway that
takes you right there. You're starting to form the sides
of your box. Then you get to kindergarten and you

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learn to count, so you start counting pencils, crayons, erasers.
I grew up with clothes pins. We used to count
clothes pins. Yeah, not so much anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
But I'm a gen exer, so it takes yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Welcome to the club. Welcome to the club. Yeah, Brandon
is the only one that we're all old, but you know,
he's an old soul, so we can let him in.
We can let him in. He's an old soul.

Speaker 11 (01:22:17):
Cloth was later. So you learn to count, right, and
you got really good accounting seventeen eighteen nineteen, and then
you got to first grade and they're like, yeah, that
counting thing is great, but we're going to teach you
how to add. So you learn to add five and
five is ten and ten and ten is twenty at
fifteen fifties one hundred. Do you ever go back to

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counting seventy eight, seventy nine, eighty. No, right, you don't
go back.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
No, they don't typically take you back a lot. No,
they don't. They just keep moving forward.

Speaker 11 (01:22:53):
Yeah, you'd be choosing against yourself'd be making it harder.
So what I'm able to do is pull up the programming,
because colors, letters, numbers is programming. Our language is programming.
It's a limitation.

Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
Well, it's actually a technology, especially written language. Writing is
a technology, you know, And that's why that's why writing
has reading and writing has to be taught explicitly because
it's a technology, you know. And the idea that you know,
the nonsense of oh, fall in love with books and
look at the picture and guess the words, like nobody
would do that with an Apple Mac. There's just an

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iPhone that's just been invented and go, oh, you know,
just you know, people need to know the code, right,
and writing's a code. So it's a technology. But if
you just end end, I mean, it's a good place
to start. But if you just end that, I can
now decode, you'd never become a poet.

Speaker 11 (01:23:47):
Right, I have no idea like that is sort of
beyond outside, Like that's that fits in the box, which
is your foundation, and the more that you're in and
you're comfortable with, I'm here to shake the foundation. I'm
here to rattle the cage doors. Because what happens is

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we are way more telepathic than we ever have been.
I have parents who telepathically teach their children who don't
have language yet. So that's where humanity's headed, and that's
where our children already are. It's not so much reading
and writing, it's the fact that there's a faster, quicker,

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and easier way of connecting and communicating.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Where need you? So as you what led you to
originally to recognize this problem and to start working and
energy healing and develop this unique approach because clearly you
must have had personal experiences that inspired this. I would
imagine it just didn't come out of nowhere.

Speaker 11 (01:25:00):
So I'm going to take you back to when I
was born, because that's really where God started at all. Okay,
So my mom's water broke on August twenty second, and
I wasn't born un till September eighth.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
Oh wow, that's thirty unusual in nineteen sixty eight.

Speaker 11 (01:25:18):
And so my whole life I was made wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:25:22):
Oh.

Speaker 11 (01:25:22):
If anyone's going to be late, it's going to be Susan.
She was late to her birth, self fulfilling prophecy. I
was like, yep, okay, Susan has arrived twenty minutes late.
But now the party can start, you know what I mean.
Like it was this entitlement, Like I was late to
my birth, I'm gonna be late to everything else.

Speaker 8 (01:25:40):
But late is.

Speaker 11 (01:25:41):
Only because we're using the third dimensional time aspect, which
is a construct. It doesn't actually exist.

Speaker 8 (01:25:49):
Past.

Speaker 11 (01:25:49):
President future is all happening right now. And I grew
up with Catholicism. My mom Roman Catholic. We're from Rome.
John Italian great great grandfather went through the Vatican to
be a priest. Oh, yeah, so we have the deep

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dark roots that and it's after dark, so we get
to talk about these lives.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
That's right, That's what this is all about.

Speaker 11 (01:26:22):
And my dad is German and Shatzer used to be
spelled with a C, and we were German Jews and
it was one of those things where we had to
give up our I guess my religion and our heritage
and our culture and our language in order to survive.

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It was a survival situation. So those are both of
my backgrounds, you know, my immediate parents. And what happened
was I was brought up with Catholicism and I really
struggled with a lot of the things that they did
along the way. And what happened was when I came

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in and I was born, I didn't have the veil,
so I could see the unseen, hear the unheard, and
I knew the unknown. And I was the older sister,
and I just thought that's what happened with everybody. Everybody
knew all the other stuff that nobody else really could see.
So when we would all get together at our family's homes,

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I don't know if it's just Italians or because we're
from Massachusetts, who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
We're in Massachusetts, if we don't mind my asking.

Speaker 11 (01:27:34):
Yeah, I'm from Ludlow outside of Springfield.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Oh gosh, I grew up in Bellingham. I don't know.
Do you know where Bellingham is?

Speaker 11 (01:27:43):
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
We probably crossed each other's path and more than one
occasion didn't even know it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
You knew England.

Speaker 11 (01:27:51):
We are the coolest people you will ever knew.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
I've had some fun very.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
That's too cool. That's too cool.

Speaker 8 (01:28:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:28:02):
So's there's like a lot of abduction stuff happening up there.
Yeah yeah, that's like the Gray Territory. I could even
tell you, like my dad has lost time and was
abducted and he's DNA was altered. So there's this galactic
capacity with me as well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Oh my, you have a rich history. There's no question
about this.

Speaker 8 (01:28:23):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (01:28:24):
Well we haven't even gotten to the best part.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Yes, so let's get back to it. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:28:29):
So I end up getting hired to be a Walt
Disney World dancer down here in Florida while I was
on vacation visiting a friend from college, and I took
the job and it was like, yeah, something you had
always wanted to do, and Okay, here I am I'm
in Florida, so now I'm not around so much Catholicism
because Western mass is very small. Like in Lonlough, we

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didn't have lines on the road, you know, when you
saw another car coming, you slowed down and you got
close to the side and you passed each other and
then you went back to the middle, like our headlights
were our street. Like that's where I grew up, like
really hicic areas. And so when I got down here
to Florida, like it's Southern Baptist and Episcopalian and Evangelist,

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it was like, oh my goodness, like people are talking
in tongues.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
It's a shock, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:29:20):
It is?

Speaker 11 (01:29:20):
It was I was like, okay, I'm going to go
to this one and I'm going to go to this one.
And I was just looking for something that really resonated,
you know, with me, and I finally ended up finding it,
but it was like, you know, this trial and error
kind of thing. And while that was happening, my guardian
angel tapped me on the shoulder and she said, you know,
you should do the math on your birth. I was like, oh, okay.

(01:29:43):
So I went back and I was like August twenty second,
September eighth. Did you know that's eighteen days? Eighteen Yeah.
So I spoke with doctors and I'm like, like, how
is that even possible? I'm like Massachusetts, who's like Harvard, Cambridge,

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you know, Boston Children's Hospital, like MIT, like really top
watch in the medical field since the way back. And
they're like, you shouldn't be here, and neither should your mother.
The fact that you're here as a miracle. The fact
that your mom is still here as a miracle.

Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
I know these days that in juice, within twenty four
hours of wools breaking, yeah, yeah, yep, you.

Speaker 11 (01:30:29):
Will have a baby. Either you're being induced c section
or you're going it on your own. Otherwise you're coming.
So I went to my dad and I said, so
he's eighty three. I said, Dad, I'm like, did you
know what was eighteen days? He's like, of course not.
And I'm like, how did you not know it was
eighteen days? He was like, that's weed.

Speaker 8 (01:30:58):
What do you say?

Speaker 11 (01:30:59):
Did I miss it?

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
He just said I was at work.

Speaker 11 (01:31:05):
I didn't even let the dads in. Yeah, okay, you
have a daughter, can pick her up, right. So it
was one of those things where eighteen days, right, So
I'm not supposed to be here, and I should have died.
The body should have died, so I had to know.
So where was I?

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
What was I doing?

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Like?

Speaker 11 (01:31:26):
Am I inverted?

Speaker 8 (01:31:28):
You know?

Speaker 11 (01:31:28):
All the bloods rush into it? Eighteen That's a mighty
long time to be like stuck in the birth cadele,
I'm I coming?

Speaker 8 (01:31:33):
Am I going?

Speaker 11 (01:31:36):
So time stops. I can see every particle in this room,
and this lucid dream screen drops down and I'm in
heaven with God and I'm arguing with the Lord. I'm like, no, no, no, no, see,
I know the rolls up here, and I get to

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choose if I'm gonna go do this or not. And
he said, Susan, you have to go. And I was like, no, no, no, see,
I'm tapping out because this lifetime is filled with way
too much heartache, betrayal, disease, illness, you name it, cheating.
It was on the docket for me. And I was like, look, Lord,

(01:32:19):
I promise I'll go in a hundred years. I promise
Earth is a nicer place and people can get along better.
I promise.

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
He's like, it would be nice years.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
It hasn't been in fifty maybe ten thousand who knows.

Speaker 11 (01:32:38):
Nobody. So he says, he goes, no, Susan, it has
to be you. And I'm like, why there has to
be somebody else up here more qualified, Like why does
it have to be me? And he opens his arms
and he says, look here. So I looked in and
there are all these like twinkling lights. It's like he
had taken like silver confetti and just like threw it
up in the air and it was twinkling. Like, oh,
what's that? He goes, those are all the souls waiting
for you to get to Earth, for you to help

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them on the soul's evolution, which is why they incarnate.
I was like, oh, yeah, that huh, all right, I'll go.
So I took my first birth breath after eighteen days
of being in utero, that is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
And so that's really the starting point for you in
this journey that you never really lost that connection to
that experience, No to source, I.

Speaker 11 (01:33:27):
Just didn't remember it.

Speaker 7 (01:33:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:33:30):
Yeah. My guardian angel tabbed me on the shoulder and
started to take me down the path of questioning, because
questioning always empowers you. Anything else disempowers you. So it
was interesting because we had three households, my grandmothers, my uncles,
and my mom's and I grew up the street from
my cousins, so we were all just the backyards. We

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just all hung out in the woods, you know, pretty
much all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Up in Western mass That was the way of things
back then. I did the same thing, the same with us.

Speaker 11 (01:34:00):
Yeah, so we have the same picture of our dead relatives.
It is just in a different antique frame and it's
hung in a different location, but it's the same image.
It's the same picture. So I met my aunts. It's Thanksgiving.
And I had known ever since I was young that

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every time we would get together in these three homes,
we would start talking about the good old days and
do you remember when you know grandfather this and uncle
dad and this kind of a thing, and they did
that funny thing. And then the photo albums come out,
and then the three m you know, video cameras and
the screen goes up and we're watching, you know, videos together. Well,

(01:34:43):
they would materialize near their pictures, near their portraits, and
they would hang out in the clothing style of whenever
they were whatever that lifetime was that was designated with
that picture. So this one thanks Giving, my great grandfather
is having a total come apart. He snapping his watch clothes,

(01:35:06):
he's tapping his cane, he's pacing back and forth, his
top hats coming off and on. And I walk over
and I'm like, no, no, Josh, what's going on. He's like,
where's Nana Bet though? Which is you know, grandmother in
Italian for at the which was Elizabeth and she didn't
like it, so she went by Beth Elizabeth. So I

(01:35:27):
was like, I don't know, let me check. So I
leaned back because her picture is on the other side
of the Caryo cabinet. I figure she's just hanging out
with her picture, like they all just hung out with
their pictures, and her picture wasn't on the wall. So
I turned to my aunt and I said, I go,
where's Nana bet this picture? And she said, well, it
fell off the wall and it's at the repair place,

(01:35:48):
so it's having to be repaired. You know, it's you
couldn't take I mean these have gold fell agree, you know, yeah,
like work done on it. So I told him like, well, look,
she's probably just with her picture.

Speaker 5 (01:36:00):
He looked at me like what, like, who are you?

Speaker 11 (01:36:04):
Like had no QUI, look you said, you were hungry
and you you were waiting for her to have dinner
and she didn't have it yet. I said, so come
with me. We're about to have dinner. And he goes, okay,
I'll have I'm hungry, Yes, I'll have dinner. So he
started to come with me and like dissipated in the
just disappeared kind of a thing. Well, I turned around
and my mother was right there. She was like, what

(01:36:24):
are you doing. I was like, well, you know, no
knew Josh. He was having to come apart, and I
was just kind of helping him sort of figure out
where she was and her picture's not here, and so
he was hungry. And she's like, yeah, that's probably something
you don't want to talk about with anybody ever at all.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Had she experienced anything like that when she.

Speaker 11 (01:36:47):
Was little, No, neither she or my dad. My dad
lost time. He was going to pick my mom up
and he left the Westover Air Force Base and he
went to go pick her up. She was twenty minutes away.
And back then it was like sixty five, nineteen sixty five,

(01:37:08):
nineteen sixty six, maybe a little bit earlier than that,
sixty four sixty five. My father, my grandfather was one
of the first people in the neighborhood to have a car.
Can you believe it's this long? Yeah, and the first
car in the neighborhood. And he parked it in the
middle of the driveway so like roller skates. They didn't

(01:37:30):
have skateboards back then, but bike and people could just
walk around it so nobody would bump into it. So
my dad, whenever he came over to pick up my
mom for a date, he had to park in the street,
on the side next to the curb. So this one time,
he said, Susan, he said, I woke up in the
driveway with the car turned off and the keys stealing

(01:37:55):
the ignition when I'm sort of wake up, like how
did I get here? He said, he's just looking around. Yeah,
So he said, I knew that I would not have
parked in that driveway had I been in my body.

Speaker 8 (01:38:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:38:12):
So it was.

Speaker 11 (01:38:12):
Confirmed that he was taken his DNA, his genes were altered,
and I was quote an experiment that went wrong, like
it was not a successful experiment whatever that that happens
to be. But since that point, I'm able to go
into people's subconscious and I take out the unconsciousness that's

(01:38:38):
in there. So scientists have proven that your subconscious creates
your reality. So when I go in and I pull
out the pattern master pattern interruptor the programming that we've had,
I can do it through all time space, place to mentions, realities, universes,

(01:38:59):
like I clear it infinitely out, so it's out of
your body being aura and reality frequency. And because you
said in the very first hour, like attracts like here
on planet Earth when you have that density of the
trauma of what's happened. Okay, even though you've done how

(01:39:20):
many people have done like shadow work and Inner Child
and a little girl little boy, Like, we've all done it,
but we're not able to actually get to the next step.
That's the work I was talking about in the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Sure, yeah, there's a lot of people that I think
stop at the point of the subconscious. It's like, you know,
the even Brandon was asking about the collective unconscious today
and I kind of correlate that to the Akashak records.
Just different words for the same concept, but overall, you know,
it is an unconscious reality, so it is something that

(01:39:56):
can be experienced but not consciously less you know, one
word to be able to discern it in such a
way that it becomes part of the conscious reality. It
sounds like that's what you're kind of describing by bringing
these unconscious conditionings into the light of day, where now
people can work with it on a conscious level.

Speaker 11 (01:40:19):
Yes. And it's like when you're in first grade and
you learn to account, you don't actually go back to
adding yes, I mean counting when you're learning, right, Like
when you have the awareness of what's limiting you in language,
with frequencies, with programming, with loops, with all of that
kind of stuff, you actually are in a choice universe.

(01:40:42):
You have choice because you can choose something else, or
you can choose to continue along the path you're currently on.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
And so is it about that kind of you know,
otherwise you've become a sort of an automaton. You know,
you just thought, you know, if people discover this when
they have children, right, you know, I've got five children.
So you and you, before you can catch yourself, you
find yourself saying exactly the same thing as your parents

(01:41:12):
said when you were a kid, right, and so because
it's kind of just and at that point, well, you
either don't notice it and you are just an automason
or or you go, why am I saying? You know,
my parents said that to me? Why am I saying that?
Is this still a good thing to say? Is it
rather than now? The answer might be yes, by the way,
you know, but and this is how tradition works, right,

(01:41:35):
but it has to be what you're saying, is that
the best way to do that is consciously because and
you're really exploring the limits of talking cure, you know,
like so a therapist can you know you can talk
about you know, you can go back into your life
and do that work. And I'm not saying it's not important,
but what shit is being able to in a sense

(01:41:57):
be snapped out of that automason thinking that is that
the goat.

Speaker 11 (01:42:02):
No, you're trying to figure it out, and you're trying
to put meaning behind what I'm saying, and you're creating
the form structuring significance that your world requires, Like scientists
require that. Okay, I've been studied by scientists, and they

(01:42:26):
don't know how I'm able to do what I do.
They don't know how I'm able to access what I
can access. So when you were two, do you remember
the word that the two year olds would always say
that would piss our parents off?

Speaker 8 (01:42:42):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:42:43):
Why, yes, yes, guess what The reason they're asking that
question is because they know that a different possibility is
available that would create greater Like why can't I wear
my princess dress to church? Why can I wear my

(01:43:05):
Spider Man costumed to school? No, because we don't do
that because that's not what everybody else does, because that's
not the time and place for it. But why exactly
for the kids the parents are in what's the right
thing to do? What are you supposed to do? We're
going to be judged. You know that, you know you'll
get in trouble, Like it's all the rules and regulations

(01:43:28):
that we grew up with, and that's programming. You haven't
actually asked a question. So the question my clients ask
is if I choose this, will it create the most
benevolent outcome for me? If you get a yes. This
has to do with muscle testing and using a pendulum,
because our bodies are more conscious than we are. We

(01:43:51):
have points of view about things and our bodies. Don't
you know this much? Maybe more like this much? God
has access us to the infinite possibility realm. That's where
we go in and we call up the frequency. Because
everything's energy, so we command, and command is asking he

(01:44:14):
shall receive. Command is co creating with the molecules of
the universe, molecules, and every molecule has consciousness, So you're
co creating with the molecules by placing the command out
into asking, me shall receive when two or more people

(01:44:35):
come together, so shall it be yes?

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
But given that you're not God, or so that I'm
not God, how do I how do I note? How
do I how do I balance? You know, the pursuits
of what might be good for me versus what's good
for we the people, a nation, the cosmos.

Speaker 11 (01:44:56):
So we are source, We came from God.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
We are his children, part of the source.

Speaker 11 (01:45:03):
Yeah, so we have a similar energy frequency. We've just
come here and we're programmed into dumbing everything down, you know,
not being totally aware.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
Not so like when you.

Speaker 11 (01:45:17):
Learned your colors. You learn that anything in that large
crayon box is a color. It has a name, and
therefore it is to be. However, if it does not
have a name, then you cannot see it. Guess what
your eyes cannot do.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
It's very structure. It's very similar to me what you're described.
I can relate to it on a very deep level
because outside of my Christian faith, you know, and I've
said this on the show before, you know, I was
Buddhist for many years prior to coming back to the church.
I left the church, it came back, I left the

(01:45:52):
church again, came back, and in those little well that's
a little wide gaps between them, I was I was
exploring different things and Buddhist and was one that I
took to foundational to Buddhism. This is this idea that
we don't live or even are able to recognize reality.
We see constructs. We see essentially contracts of mental formations

(01:46:13):
that are that are produced by ignorance, ignorance that is
continuously facilitating it is it is Plato's key, It's the
same thing. It's it's East and West. We both have it,
and even the church has its variation of it. It
just doesn't go into the same kind of detail. I
think Buddhism goes into perhaps a more explicit detail in this.
But it sounds to me like that's what you're sort

(01:46:34):
of talking about, because it sounds like the healing starts
with the mindfulness.

Speaker 11 (01:46:41):
Well, it's it's with being educated. So there's two things. Okay,
what is your cup is full? Like if you could
have figured out how to have a totally abundant, completely
joyful life, don't you think you would have by now?

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Sure? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:46:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
See.

Speaker 11 (01:46:55):
The thing is, if I start to teach your cup
is full, it's gonna make a mess on the table.
It's just going to dump all over the place. We
have to take some time and dump out your cup,
get rid of the low vibrational frequencies. So there's an
emotional chart. Emotion is energy in motion and emotional chart,

(01:47:18):
and we took it from this because this is the
lie when it's higher and lower with numbers. Just below
God's consciousness is gratefulness and just above death. There are
eight emotions anger, rage, fury, hate, blame, shame, regret, and guilt.

(01:47:38):
So at any point in time when you're experiencing those,
you are functioning at a frequency vibratle frequency.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Yeah, which one are those? Would you say is the
most negative or are they all kind of equal?

Speaker 11 (01:47:51):
They're all low, They're all low. And what happens is
with therapy, you are asking about therapy, So therapy has
you go in and so how did you feel about that?

Speaker 4 (01:48:04):
So what happens to describe it?

Speaker 11 (01:48:08):
And so they're teaching you that things happen to you,
when that's the why we bought in this reality the recit.

Speaker 13 (01:48:16):
In fairness, this is where I think, actually I was
agreeing with you more than you realized. I think because
he has a knack for doing that, you don't mind
him as scous you more than you realize. Because I'm
not against talking cure. It's got its role, right, but

(01:48:37):
talking cure doesn't necessarily lead you beyond where you are,
you know, it's sort of you get very articulate at.

Speaker 4 (01:48:45):
Describing the maya, you know. But and this is why
ritual actually helps shift you from one place of the next.
I mean, you know, so in the Catholic contint context,
I've said about this before on the show, Like the
point of the sacrament of reconciliation, which is what's really
called not confession, and confession is part of it is
not so that you just describe how crap you are.

(01:49:07):
It's describe the crap things you've done that are holding
your back.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
And then you get released from them because it brings
them to the conscious.

Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
For it's the whole point of it. Yeah, you know,
that's the whole point of it, not to leave you
in that, you know circle. Sorry, but you can disagree,
but it doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Speaker 11 (01:49:31):
The word want a little band. What's your definition of
the word want? What does it mean?

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
It depends on the context.

Speaker 11 (01:49:43):
Okay, what do you want to be when you grow up?

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
I'm still figuring that out.

Speaker 11 (01:49:53):
Maybe that's better.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
There's not many things I do want, so it's hard
me to answer that question.

Speaker 11 (01:50:00):
But okay, we'll just leave it at that. So the
dictionary was physically changed on us in nineteen forty three.
You can go back and look at the dictionaries prior
to that and dictionaries after nineteen forty three, and you
will see that the definition was changed to desire to want.

Speaker 8 (01:50:23):
To have.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
What's changed meaning all the time in living languages, all
the time.

Speaker 11 (01:50:28):
Okay, so this one word, it's my four letter word.
This one word holds people back, Yeah, all the time,
because the word want actually means lack less than and
not enough.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
Yeah, I found you wanting.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
Yeah, that's true. That is true.

Speaker 11 (01:50:51):
And it was done purposefully, and then an entire propaganda
was set up for us to use it. Unconsciously. So
when you have impoverished people and you have wealthy people,
impoverished people are in the want. They want more, they

(01:51:13):
want more work, they want more money, they want more jobs,
they want more. Wealthy people wealth consciousness, poverty consciousness, wealth consciousness.
They're like, oh, I'll have that. Yeah, I'll have that too.
You know, I'll have two of those they're having. They're
not wanting. Wanting is always in your future.

Speaker 4 (01:51:35):
Yeah, they want for no thing. Actually, But the.

Speaker 11 (01:51:39):
Word want, when you use it, you can never have
what you want because it's always going to be in
your future. You want something because you don't have it now,
but there is no future, only the present. And so
you are sabotaging yourself. So what you're saying to the

(01:51:59):
universe and the command is language, is I lack money,
I lack a new job, I lack a relationship that
truly contributes to me. That's what you're saying when you
say I want a new relationship. And these are the
things that we were programmed with that that we weren't

(01:52:20):
taught that once you learn it, once you know it,
I can go in and delete all of what you've
already assigned and decided was yours. That gets eliminated, and
then you have the choice. So there's your choice universe
of using it not using it. And it is the

(01:52:41):
most challenging thing that everyone that I've worked with has
really struggled with eliminating that from their vocabulary and replacing
it with I am and I have. And it's to
the point where people are like, no, I didn't. I'm like, well,
we can shut the video off now, let it process,
come and re listen again. Yep, we're gonna have to

(01:53:01):
do that, yep, because no way I said it. I'm like, okay,
well we'll do it. So we stop, we go, we
get back on. They're like, I had no idea. So
this one is even in the face of total awareness
of what it creates, it creates more lack. You're asking
for more lack. You're actually like shooting yourself in the

(01:53:25):
foot for verbal eally, you're not creating that which you
actually think you are looking to create. And so that's
the kind of stuff that's low frequency that's been programmed
in that is now at a cellular level. Because what
happens is our body stores the trauma, you know how
you know doctors will tell you, well, they have a

(01:53:46):
liver or a kidney and they say, well that was
anger and that you know, our emotions are held inside
the body.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
Oh yeah, absolutely acupuncture helps with that. I'm a student
of acupuncture used acupuncture. It absolutely they can narrow down
your traumas to an organ or part of your body
and that's what they treat with the needles, I absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
Believe, which is also an energy work.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
Yes, it's also when you work. Yeah, absolutely in the.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
Trace of people who who you know, where there is
a release, like I mean often you know, in the
context that we experience. It's people that come to faith
or they have you know, they have the chiros moments
right where and people say, oh their eyes light up
now you know, or they're you know, so definitely those
emotions and you know, yeah, you wear your life on

(01:54:35):
your phone gift somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
So what is what is the what is the once
these things are removed, we're going to get to some
of your process I suppose. But once you have successfully
removed some of these negative processes that have been stored
into a person, what is the course of action going

(01:54:59):
for for them? Instead of saying I want this or
I want that, which is I agree with you completely
creates an immediate deficit of from what you might not
ever get out of it. What should they say in
place of it going forward once they've dealt with the issue.

Speaker 11 (01:55:19):
So I am and I have because that's present tense.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
And even if they don't yet, that's the thing.

Speaker 11 (01:55:28):
It's not about the thing having the thing. It's about
being the frequency of receiving the thing I see and
that's the difference. So it's what can I do today
that will create this right away? You're commanding in your questioning,

(01:55:53):
so you're engaging with the molecules. This is when like
the magic happens, when God has the upper to you
to step in and go, here's your blessing, here's your miracle.
Because what we do is we go, okay, well I
really want that, and you place your order with God
and the order goes in and he's busy working on
the people places things ideas experiences, and then you look

(01:56:17):
at this amazing spaghetti and meatball dish going by and
you're like, oh, waiter, waiter, and you change your order
and God is like, okay, well I have to like
put all of this like over here, and now I
have to start a new thing of working on it,
and it doesn't actually get to fruition because the person's

(01:56:39):
not ready to receive. That's why we dump their cup
out so they have more space in their cup to
invite in that which they'd like to have.

Speaker 7 (01:56:49):
And as we.

Speaker 11 (01:56:49):
Eliminate the lower vibrational emotional people places and things like
and it just makes so much sense. Like you know,
you're the frequency of the five people you hang out with, like,
or you're the wealth of the five people you hang
out with, like. It's a frequency match. That's basically what
all of those metaphors are talking about, is like, you know,

(01:57:13):
people who are impoverished don't go hang out and go
to school and play in leagues where the wealthy are.
It doesn't happen because it's not a vibrational match.

Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
It does definitely need compatibility, as it's all things in
the metaphysical. All right, we're going to take our next
break here we're speaking with Susan Schester about energy and
we'll be taking your questions next. Don't go away.

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Speaker 7 (02:00:44):
I can feel.

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Somewhere inside haunting, like a drug. I keep on wanting.
There's a lot that fits so perfect, it's hard to
believe there's release. And I can feel my heart stop
feeding and the air gets stuff just reason.

Speaker 4 (02:01:08):
I'm alone, but I'm still feeling like someone's with me.

Speaker 9 (02:01:14):
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Speaker 2 (02:05:23):
Welcome back everyone to the third and final hour of
Vestiges after Dark. On this season finale, we have been
covering the subject of energy and healing and we have
had a wonderful discussion with our new guest tonight, Susan Chatzer.
Really fascinating stuff and it definitely resonates with me. I
hope it is with all of you. If you have questions,

(02:05:45):
call into the shows two oh seven five four four
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Speaker 8 (02:05:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:05:57):
I mean, great stuff so far and more to come
go anywhere. Calling Anton from the seven O seven area

(02:07:58):
code in north western California. Hello, You're on the air
with Susan Schetzer. Hello seven or seven.

Speaker 7 (02:08:11):
It's not me. Oh hey, hi, Susan is sticky?

Speaker 11 (02:08:19):
Hi, honey, how are you?

Speaker 7 (02:08:22):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (02:08:23):
I'm good.

Speaker 7 (02:08:24):
So what I'd like to clarify is wanting to find
out when you said and I should know all this,
but I'm not doing it the way I should. Is
when I am asking for clarity or to have something,
you know, to get an answer on a question or

(02:08:45):
an issue that I'm working with, You're you're saying to say,
I think that I think you're saying, what is going
to bring me the greatest joy? Is that how we
ask our in our guidance or that part of ourselves

(02:09:07):
to find the way to go. I'm making a decisions.

Speaker 11 (02:09:11):
Yeah, so we're asking like, if I choose this, if
I choose this flavor of ice cream, if I choose
this direction, if I choose this job, if I choose
this path, if I choose this relationship, you know, really
create the most benevolent outcome for me, and you're asking
it for you. Because we used to say in the

(02:09:31):
highest and best for all involved. However, the highest and
best for all involved sometimes ended up being someone else's
karmic lesson that you just got dragged into because that
was the highest and best for all involved. So now
we say the most benevolent outcome for me my energy field,

(02:09:52):
like we're having a distinct conversation with consciousness with the molecules,
and we leave it op and because even we can
only think of that which we know, and God has
access to everything that we don't know. So when we
ask for something, sometimes God is like, you're asking for

(02:10:15):
this little thing. I've got this great big thing over
here that if you kept an open question, I could
deliver this. But because you focused in and you said
I want this, he can't actually deliver the great big thing,
the gift of the miracle that has for you.

Speaker 7 (02:10:35):
Yeah, I think that's true. I think I've been stuck
on making it the best for all concerned, and that's
not the way it's working out best for me.

Speaker 11 (02:10:46):
Yes, because all concerned includes everybody, and the top person
is the one that gets it with that. And sometimes
it has nothing to do with you. It's not your
stuff to process, it's not your stuff to handle, But
now it's in your life, in your reality, in your
field because you said you asked for the highest and

(02:11:10):
best for all involved, or the highest and best for
all that's that's like old. Now now we've like upgraded
what we're asking God form.

Speaker 4 (02:11:23):
Did that thank you?

Speaker 7 (02:11:24):
That really helped it? Does it really does help I?
As much as I should know this, I still first
start including everybody in it and catch myself and I
think it's really been limiting.

Speaker 11 (02:11:41):
Yeah, because that's what we were taught to do, is like, look,
you know, community unity, like everybody like, don't leave anybody out,
no man left behind. All that programming, and so we
were taught to be inclusive, and we were taught to
take on everybody else's stuff and to be the last
I mean women, moms were the last ones. And you know,

(02:12:04):
it's been proven that women who get married and have
kids live ten years less than men who get married
and have kids. In fact, men who get married and
have kids live the same length of life. We women
are more apt with the programming and our DNA and
what we have coming in to give more in all

(02:12:27):
areas to all people. A lot of times, to keep
the peace more.

Speaker 3 (02:12:31):
We tend to give of ourselves to everybody and forget
about ourselves in the process. And so you'll you'll drag
yourself into the ground trying to help other people that
you've got to kind of take care of yourself first
in order to be able to help other people. And
that's something we are all guilty of.

Speaker 11 (02:12:48):
So that's when the switch came to most benevolent outcome
for me. And that's when you get to include you
in it, and you can your most benevolent outcome can
incline flu supporting other people, but it includes you versus
the other way around, doesn't include you. It's just the

(02:13:08):
highest and best for everyone. So that was a missing
piece that we uncovered in the work that we're doing.
Thank you for calling me, and we can.

Speaker 7 (02:13:18):
Get up every day. Yeah, thank you, Susan.

Speaker 11 (02:13:22):
Yeah, get up every day. That's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (02:13:26):
Get I go.

Speaker 7 (02:13:27):
I can get up every day and just be open
to whatever that day is going to bring, like, not
not have a limit on it, not say a certain
thing needs to happen, but to be open to however
it turns out to the most possibilities.

Speaker 2 (02:13:44):
If I could just input there, I would say that
the biggest problem that I see with students and other
individuals that I work with, either on a pastoral level
or you know, otherwise, is when as soon as you
start bringing your expectations into you start limiting yourself expectations
are almost poisoned.

Speaker 5 (02:14:03):
To it, so absolutely distractions.

Speaker 2 (02:14:06):
It becomes a distraction that almost becomes impossible to get
out of because, as I think Susan has done a
wonderful job tonight of expressing, it is a thought process
that becomes cyclical, habitual, and then a trap from which
we don't ever arise from. So in order to protect

(02:14:27):
ourselves from falling into that trap, I think we need
to be open to the limitless opportunities and the gifts
that God has on reserve for us. Because the one
thing he will not do is violate our volition. God
will not break our volition, so you have to give
him permission to do anything in your life. And sometimes

(02:14:48):
that permission is not entirely clear because we don't realize that.
It's not always a conversational thing. It's not like you're
going to God in prayer and saying I'm allowing you
to do this. I mean, it can be that, but
sometimes it's really just along the lines of you've set
such limitations on your own life that you've already given
or I should say, prevented, God from receiving the permission

(02:15:09):
to act within it, and I think that does hold
us back. So yeah, I think I think, Susan, you're
on the right. You definitely have given this caller or
the right track. I'm sorry, caller, I didn't get your
your first name, oh, Vicky, Vicky, okay, so Vicky. I
think that this is a great direction for you to

(02:15:30):
take forward into your life is to it's okay to
be open to other people or whatever. But I think
really what you have to do is don't put any
limits on it.

Speaker 7 (02:15:41):
Yeah, yeah, this is great.

Speaker 2 (02:15:44):
Thank you, Thank you for calling in. We appreciate it. Yeah,
thank you so much. It's always nice to hear from
a new caller. So yeah, Susan. I mean, I thought
that this would be a question that would come up
tonight because I know that one of the things that
I hear often with people who are very much stuck
in these negatives and almost to the point that they
have created an identity around them to where they don't

(02:16:06):
want to give them up because it feels like they're
losing some of themselves in it. And I'm not saying
that's that's our callers problem, but I would say that
it is a large part of the issue for people
is that they've made an identity out of this conditioning
that you've been talking about. So how do they how
do they learn to break through that conditioning without losing

(02:16:28):
or feeling as though they're losing themselves in it?

Speaker 11 (02:16:31):
Well, let's do some okay, sure, So if you're here
listening and you have a big problem or a challenge
or an issue that you have going on, and you
would like get cleared out of your life, out of
your frequency, out of your body, out of your aura,
let's do it. Game on. So pop your big challenge
in the chat, give us a ring call in and

(02:16:52):
let us know what your biggest problem is. Because I
was going to speak to what you were talking about
with issues. So issue is actually league doesn't belong to you.
So when you use the word issue like I have
an issue with this, or I have an issue with that,
or that's my biggest issue with them or it or whoever,
issue means it was issued to you. It doesn't belong

(02:17:15):
to you. So you either voluntarily took it on. They're like, here,
take this limitation. You're like, okay, and what do we do?
It's we we learned from our parents. And you know,
forre Chris, you were talking about it, you were like, well,
we start to sound like our parents. Yeah, because those

(02:17:37):
were our first teachers, and subliminally unconsciously as we're growing
up and they're around us, coaches, you know, older siblings, neighbors,
TV reality non reality.

Speaker 8 (02:17:52):
We get that.

Speaker 11 (02:17:53):
Oh so that's how you do money. Oh so that's
how you do relationship. Okay, wait, wait, yep, I got it. Okay,
that's how you do work. So you're taking that on,
and it is programming because if someone else is doing
it and you're not actually asking if that's belongs to you,
if it works for you, you take it on, you

(02:18:15):
install it, and you have it running in the background
ever since. So that's one of the things that you know,
we're here to get rid of. Let's dump your cup out.
Let's give you some space in there to invite in
that which you'd like to have in your life, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:18:32):
I mean there's a kind of like Jamie, I was
a police officer, so I did that for ten years.
Jamie did it for longer than me, I think, twenty six,
twenty six, and to a certain extent, like it's explicit,
there's an explicit programming that comes with that, right, I mean,

(02:18:52):
which you know in our in our in our you know,
as Western society developed, we've decided, you know, we have
these parliamentary democracies, if we have laws, and therefore to
a certain extent, to the extent that you're in your role,
you know, in your job, then you know, it doesn't

(02:19:12):
do to be creatively thinking about where my energy lies
when someone's trying to stab someone else to death. Right,
So there are certain kind of patternings that come in
that are off of the common good in that instance,
that have sort of been handed on by tradition, I suppose.
But coming back to what you just said, because it
inspired me to say this, when you then either go

(02:19:33):
home or leave or retire if you're if and I see,
I've seen this so many times with former colleagues of mine,
they just die, They retire and die. Yeah, the lowest
pensionable draw in the UK, even though they can retire

(02:19:56):
on average fifteen years younger than somebody else, they live
as long in retirement because it just become this program.

Speaker 3 (02:20:04):
The growing the word of word of thumb in law
enforcement least where I'm from is uh, if you make
it five years past retirement, you're pretty lucky. Like I
actually today, yeah, today, as matter of fact, I lost
one of my mentors and he was actually, I think,
getting ready to retire.

Speaker 2 (02:20:22):
So you got, like, what one year left and you're done.

Speaker 3 (02:20:25):
No, because because I stayed in the fight doing doing.
Now I fight demons, I think I'll be all right.

Speaker 7 (02:20:34):
I'm still.

Speaker 3 (02:20:36):
Yeah, you you tend to lose a sense of purpose
because you've lived your whole career in this box. And
then it's just like with the military. But you know,
when I left the military, I naturally segued into law
enforcement and kept it going. But when I had to
finally retire from law enforcement after you know, twenty six

(02:20:57):
years and then four years on top of that in
the military, you know, that's thirty years of my life,
which is most of my life. You live in that
box and it it it is very hard. You feel
like you have no purpose and it's hard to get
out of that.

Speaker 4 (02:21:11):
So maybe that's a good scenario season for you to
look at. I mean, so, first of all, did you
agree with my kind of rough thrust. You know that
you become programmed and need to be deprogrammed.

Speaker 3 (02:21:23):
Yeah, I mean that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 4 (02:21:25):
Yes, Yeah, So.

Speaker 11 (02:21:27):
I'm shown So when like all four five of you
one two, three, four, four of you are here, you
are showing me your lifeline this way, so I can
see each of your lifelines, and I can see all
the way back to what you chose to be or
do when you were sourced, separating from source to have

(02:21:50):
your own experience as a soul, your initial choice, and
all of the lifetime is leading up to now and
what's projected into your future lifetimes. Then your ancestors are
shown to me this way, so I can see each
of your ancestors fifteen twenty thirty generations, what they've passed

(02:22:11):
down to you that you now have that was never
yours to begin with. But each time we show up,
we're here to like clear everybody else's stuff along the way.
Karma is spinning on the sides like a tornado on
the sides, and I've got your angelic team and my

(02:22:31):
team is over here. So that is how I'm able
to like focus in and know exactly what it is,
exactly what's happening, exactly when it was picked up, exactly
when it was installed, exactly how long you've had it,
exactly how important it was, Like all of that kind
of stuff, and then we just simplified it. It's like
we don't actually have to know what it is because

(02:22:53):
it's just that frequency. And if that frequency is not
your sole source frequency, then it's not yours. It doesn't
belong to you, and it has no business being with you.
Thank you very much for carrying it, thank you very
much for processing it for everybody else. But it's your turn.
It's your turn to have the life and the frequency

(02:23:15):
that you came here to do. And that's what the
angelic Roman I call your soul's goal.

Speaker 2 (02:23:22):
Danielle in the chat room has a question for She says,
I keep This might be an opportunity to do some work. So,
she says, I keep trying to break free from chronic illness,
and every time I'm free of one, I get diagnosed
with another. What am I doing wrong? I ask? What
I need for my higher good?

Speaker 6 (02:23:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (02:23:40):
So, Danielle, You've not done anything wrong. And that's a
really good thing to talk about, is that we've all
never done anything wrong. You've been told you've been wrong,
You've been told you got wrong answers, and you made
a wrong choice and a bad choice. That is not
actually true. The truth is when you you came down

(02:24:00):
and took on a body in this lifetime, you chose
to have specific experiences. And in order to have those experiences,
there are certain people throughout your life who agreed before
they got here to give them to you, and you
also agreed to give other people experiences. So for instance,

(02:24:22):
like I've been in jail in another lifetime, I've not
been in jail this lifetime. Like there's where we go
back and forth with the things. So what's happening is
your body is giving you information. With illness, your body
is talking to you. It's giving you information as to
what it requires. So scientifically, our immune system is dual fold.

(02:24:48):
Our immune system is here to eliminate pathogens, viruses, bacteria, fungus, mold,
that kind of stuff, and our immune system is here
to filter out our emotional trauma. What happens in the
third dimension, it is one of the toughest places to
be is to have all of the trauma pile up

(02:25:11):
over time and then the body has to choose what
it would like to filter. Okay, the body is going
to be self preservating, it's going to eliminate the pathogens.
You will need to be in control of the emotion
the trauma. So there your team, your angelic team is
here and they're letting me know that. And you can

(02:25:33):
just say yes or no in the chat, like do
you have emotional trauma from childhood?

Speaker 2 (02:25:39):
She's well, she's go ahead and answer that, Danielle. But
her last message to you was my immune system at
texts the energy producing parts of cells.

Speaker 8 (02:25:50):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (02:25:52):
So eight months after my son was born, I was
diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, autoimmune chronic, not supposed to get better.
And when you take my MRI the neuro up, the

(02:26:12):
neuro radiologist says she has more than twenty lesions on
her brain, Like, I have more than twenty scars on
my brain. They've never been able to give me a
definitive amount, as well as on the cervical and thoracic
and this also attacks. I have one or two on
every single spot. I'm this is a simulation we're in.

(02:26:38):
This is not reality. Yeah, So it's interesting that is
she do you know if she's if she does similar work,
Is she an energy person, energy worker?

Speaker 2 (02:26:54):
I think she has worked in some of those things
in the past. She says she has a functional neurological disorder.
But yeah, I know she's studied energy work in the past,
haven't you, jin Yelle, She says, yes, Okay, So there is.

Speaker 11 (02:27:12):
A dark and a light. It's not necessarily good and
bad evil and not evil. It's just lighter energy and
heavier energy. And it's not an opposite. It's just that's
what it is. It's sort of like the radio dial
we had on our car, our phones, I mean in
our in our homes, the radio dial, and you would

(02:27:34):
scroll through the AM and FM series and you'd have
to get the little dial like right on the box. Yeah,
actually get your channel right right.

Speaker 4 (02:27:44):
Yeah, So that's what you're talking about. Can imagine.

Speaker 3 (02:27:53):
I'm sure you two the times? Good time?

Speaker 11 (02:27:59):
So what my computer's going crazy? Yeah, So this is
this is what happens because energies are able to manipulate
energy electricity easily. So when we do this work, it's

(02:28:20):
not and when we're actually like like saving souls kind
of thing, like freeing people from the burden that we've
been placed in. It's like we grew up with fluoride
in our water. They knew fluoride was bad, they knew
it was toxic, but they put it in our water.
We grew up with flintstone vitamins. We grew up with

(02:28:41):
act fluoride. We grew up with florid in our toothpaste,
and we used to get every six months. Yeah, you
pick cherry, grape or orange, and you would get the.

Speaker 3 (02:28:51):
Goo cherry absolutely every time, right, do you.

Speaker 8 (02:28:56):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 11 (02:28:56):
It's like they were already limiting us and they did
it on a physical level with that. That's just one
of the things that we've all been exposed to that
our bodies have had to figure out how to do
because mercury and fluoride are the same equivalent, Like our

(02:29:16):
body cannot process those and they they are housed in
the brain, you.

Speaker 8 (02:29:22):
Know, And.

Speaker 2 (02:29:24):
You mentioned the simulation something's the subject. We've covered on
this before, too much interesting debate, a lot of different
opinions on it, and honestly, you know, I do ten
with my Buddhist kind of background, and you know, I
do tend towards that not so much in that it's
a computer generated virtual reality as much as it's kind

(02:29:46):
of a construct of mental formations more than the Buddhist
sense and more of ethereal sense. But regardless of how
you want to look at it, you know, whether you
want to take it from the Matrix movie series point
of view, or if you want to take it from
more of a you know, of a of a Buddhist
Hindu kind of view with the Maya the or even
a Gnostic point of view, that the that the physical

(02:30:08):
world is is a prison and and that the you know,
the demiurge is here to to keep us and chained
to its will. Very much the same archetype playing out
in the in the in the Matrix movies, you know,
the the exactly yeah mystery and yeah, that's right, miss shared. Yeah,

(02:30:31):
do what you see as the root source of because
you've mentioned a few times like they've done this, They've
they've put fluorite in our water, they hold us back,
they create these these the Yeah, who who's they to you? Like,
how would you define this? And where is this this
negativity coming from?

Speaker 11 (02:30:48):
So in order to so just take the school system
for instance, So do you know why the school system
was created by Rockefeller the way it's created?

Speaker 2 (02:31:00):
Probably not to the degree that I need to.

Speaker 3 (02:31:03):
I know it.

Speaker 2 (02:31:04):
I didn't agree with a lot of the things that
it was orchestrated for. I mean, I know, I had
it a lot to do with with control and productivity,
you know, and certainly the things that they even teach us,
like for example, higher mathematics instead of functional mathematics. Like
I mean, I never understood personally why you would teach
people calculus and trigonometry when most people are not going

(02:31:26):
to go into fields where those are needed. In my case, yeah,
I know failed in most of our cases. But what
But people don't know. The first thing about is investing,
you know, and then that's a functional skill. You know,
how do you fight inflation? You're stuck with inflation, whether
you like it or not. But most people just keep
their money in a checking account and it just keeps deflating, deflating, deflating.
If you don't know how to invest. You were brought

(02:31:47):
up in yeah, exactly.

Speaker 11 (02:31:49):
Middle class. See middle class. You were taught in high
school to balance your checkbook. In the wealthy communities, they
did not get housekeeping, cooking, and wood shop. They got
banking and stocks and bonds and trusts. That's what they
got in their school system. You were not allowed to

(02:32:12):
have that because you were not going to be that.
You were going to be the factory worker, and the
factory the best way to train a factory worker is
with repetition. Repetition it creates the neuropathways. So if in
your seat, raise your hand, wait for the bell to ring,
You've just created an amazing, compliant factory worker.

Speaker 2 (02:32:35):
So compliant for whom are you talking? Is it a
wealthy elite that's the source of this problem market.

Speaker 11 (02:32:41):
Our parents when our parents grew up, Like my dad
worked for thirty years for the same company, the same
thing every day at.

Speaker 4 (02:32:50):
The company because you could you can't know, right, But
that's yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:32:56):
That's yeah. Our kids, I mean they're amazing, they really are,
Like they are unapologetic about what is going to work
and not work for them, and they came in doing
and creating things that are just blowing me away. But yeah,
to talk about with Daniella, like it's the to go
back to her thing because I know she's like on

(02:33:18):
a pause energetically on a pause at the moment. So Daniella, yes,
one and two things. One, there is emotional stuff from
childhood that you have that you picked up, so you know,
take a look at your parents, mom and dad, Like
which one was more emotionally toxic? It could be both.
Whatever that is, We're going to eliminate it right now

(02:33:40):
because I'd love for you to be able to have
this experience. So we're going to use breath to do it.
So in a second, we're going to take a deep
breath in. I'm going to call up the frequency of
these limitations that you have right now that's creating the
physicality of illness in the body, and then we're gonna

(02:34:01):
delete it. Yeah, So what we normally do right now
is all of you that are in the zoom room,
and all of you are in your homeland, in your
own blaze, if you have a pendulum or if you
do muscle testing some people use I call this the
lock and the key. Go ahead and ask truth, and

(02:34:22):
we say truth first. So you can not get the
mind involved because you're not here to figure it out.
The body has more awareness.

Speaker 3 (02:34:30):
Than you do.

Speaker 11 (02:34:31):
It's more conscious. We're going to get the body because
you know, and this is what they didn't teach us either,
Like there's so much to share, Like we were taught
that the body, the soul is housed in the body.
That is not true. The soul is infinite. The body
is housed in the soul. And when you have that perspective,

(02:34:53):
you're just like like just blown out of the water.
So take a look at the childhood you had the
toxicity of one or both parents, and then look at
because it's being held as a residue within your body.
So what is the weakest link for you? So for me,

(02:35:17):
the weakest link is my son. So I was paired
up with someone who got diagnosed as a narcissistic psychopath. Now,
children pick their parents, and we picked our parents, and
our parents picked their parents. So there's something that my
son required with me and with him in order for

(02:35:41):
his body to come in to have his soul's goal completed,
for his soul's evolution in this lifetime creating this body,
he needed something from both of us. So that's what
your angelic team is sharing that your mom and dad, right,
you picked them to be together to have the experience,

(02:36:04):
and it could be something you chose to have. It
could be something that you required in order to complete
your soul's goal, and your body's here to let it go.
So if you muscle test, go ahead and ask truth,
does this limitation match my frequency? So basically you're asking

(02:36:25):
if the limitation that Daniella has that she's brought up
that we're going to clear in a minute. Do you
have any part of that also within your field body
or a being frequency.

Speaker 2 (02:36:39):
She just said that her father was a narcissist in
her his great great grandfather. So her dad's great great
grandfather was a a murdered multiple people serial killer.

Speaker 11 (02:36:53):
Yeah, yes, sister, So that's what we're talking about. We're
going to eliminate that. And that was passed down to you.
So no wonder your body is trying to kill itself.

Speaker 2 (02:37:06):
So it's like a generational curse almost, it's kind of
how they actually operate.

Speaker 11 (02:37:10):
Yeah, right, Yeah, So basically my role in it was
to stop the abuse. Like, my son is not narcissistic,
he's not abusive. I so when I asked questions about,
you know, what was true about marrying this person, it

(02:37:34):
was like, you know what's right about it? I'm not
getting And then I got it. I was like, oh
my god, I created this is MS that I got
diagnosed with and it was like it was bad. It
was like trial drug study chemo steroids, like yeah, every
month you're in the office for the study.

Speaker 8 (02:37:50):
Like it was bad. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:37:53):
And the thing was I just lost my training fact
because I come down to the third dimension. I was
just up in the fourth and the fifth dimension, like processing. Yeah,
So to have to do that during a radio show, yeah,
Like normally it's like, yeah, so we're going to clear

(02:38:14):
that now. So this is why because like attract's like,
so we're all here today, there's a reason why, Danielle,
you're here right now that you've asked this question, it's
time for this to leave. So are you willing to
let go one hundred percent of this? And there's always
asking permission because some people aren't willing to give up

(02:38:34):
one hundred percent. Some people are just like, well, you
know that could be important and I should remember it
and maybe okay, you know fifty percent. You know, I'll
just barter with people like how much are you willing
to let go? So go ahead and muscle test if
you're here with us, and ask truth, is this trauma?

(02:38:55):
Emotional trauma? Like the frequency of it? You don't have
to have a name, we don't even have to know
what it is. But truth is that in my field,
if you get a yes, then you'll be clearing this also.
And what happens is this is the coolest part ever,
is like every time you're willing to give up a limitation,
you free up hundreds of thousands of other people that

(02:39:19):
were helping you hold it in place. That's where validation
of your reality comes from. So we're gonna kick it
to the curb. All right, everybody, take a deep breath in.
You're going to hold the breath until I say out
on three and it leaves. So take a deep breath in.
So truth, all the form, structure, significance, all the rejections, calculations,

(02:39:43):
computations that you have, everything that was passed down to
you from previous everything you've been held at a cellular level,
everything that you've created as shiku, which is an acronym
for secret, hidden, invisible, covert, unseen and said, unheard and unacknowledged.
Out on three and it leaves one, two, three.

Speaker 4 (02:40:08):
Yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (02:40:10):
I have to say that felt pretty good.

Speaker 11 (02:40:13):
Because the mind chatter just disappeared.

Speaker 2 (02:40:15):
Yeah, it got very quiet there, didn't it. It was
there was a moment of stillness in that.

Speaker 3 (02:40:21):
It's a glitch.

Speaker 2 (02:40:24):
When she it kind of just.

Speaker 3 (02:40:27):
Kind of definitely some energy there.

Speaker 8 (02:40:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:40:32):
Yeah, how do you feel there, mystic?

Speaker 2 (02:40:34):
Yeah, Danielle, tell us what you feel weren't about a
it'd be about eight eight to ten second delay, so
it takes a little bit, Yeah, she says, feeling kind
of trippy tripping over here in England.

Speaker 11 (02:40:52):
Yeah, So there's another part to this also that would
like to get eliminated. So your team step forward and
they're saying that there's a contract promise that you've made
with them and they've made with you that also needs
to be cleared in order for this to be completely
out for you to be able to have the awareness

(02:41:12):
and choice moving forward. So would that be okay with you?
I'm gonna assume you said yes, because that's why you're
here and this is what we're doing. So everybody take
a deep breath in. So all of the oaths, vowels
failty communities, blood, oats, promises, contracts, swearings, and agreements you
have with them and they have with you throughout all time, space, place, dimensions, realities, universes,

(02:41:37):
non universes, omniversus, multiverses known and unknown said, and that's
that acknowledged and unacknowledged. Would you be willing to rescind,
revoke or can't reclaim, renounce, denounced, destroy, and eliminate them
right now out on three and they leave one two three, Yeah,

(02:42:01):
I got goosebumps.

Speaker 2 (02:42:03):
Yeah, there's you can feel it. There is an exchange
of energy in this. Danielle just said the headache she's
had for months is gone.

Speaker 3 (02:42:13):
Hopefully she didn't get knocked out of her chair.

Speaker 2 (02:42:16):
It's possible, Yeah, Danielle, let us know you're okay. Maybe
she fell asleep.

Speaker 11 (02:42:25):
And you know what the thing is, You don't have
to believe what I do. You don't have to like
what I do. You don't even have to know what
I do. Like God is like that, Like you don't
even have to understand it, like it just works.

Speaker 2 (02:42:37):
I think that what's important for people to understand, particularly
if you are a skeptic in this kind of thing,
if it feels a little too like metaphysical or new
age for you. I think it's important for people because
we have both sides of that on this in this audience.

Speaker 8 (02:42:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:42:52):
I think what people need to really really remember is
that all of these world views that function are valid.
If it functions, it's valid. It's by virtue of it working.
Means that the universe has already endorsed it. So it
really doesn't require your belief or your acceptance. It just
requires you know that your participation. In my opinion, it's

(02:43:16):
like I felt it. I did. I mean I'm not
lying the first one in particular, but I mean there
was like there's a stillness, a silence that comes with
it feels very much like a deep like what you
get out of deep meditation. Like in those moments, Susan,
I felt like what it takes me maybe thirty minutes
in meditation to achieve, and I felt it instantly. It
was very nice.

Speaker 11 (02:43:37):
Yeah, congratulations.

Speaker 3 (02:43:40):
She says she just felt bold over sideways.

Speaker 2 (02:43:44):
And mouche Val in the chat said herd the color
changed on her TV to a soft yellow. Manuel says
that his ears are ringing loudly, so people in the
audience are definitely feeling something. Brandon father, Chris, did you
experience anything during this?

Speaker 8 (02:44:02):
Did you do it?

Speaker 2 (02:44:02):
I don't know if you did the breathing, but.

Speaker 4 (02:44:04):
Yeah, I was doing it. I just say, it's just
one thing that occurred to me that I wanted to
say that you just triggered off in me. I've said
it before, but about whether people believe in something or not,
I think that people's the esteem in which they hold
their own personal belief is overhyped, right, So that's a

(02:44:27):
very English way of saying that, don't worry about what
you believe or don't believe. I mean that really does
hold people back in so many ways of life. You know,
do the thing worry about with you, you know, worry
about whether you believe in it when you're dead.

Speaker 3 (02:44:45):
Yourself.

Speaker 4 (02:44:45):
Do the thing.

Speaker 2 (02:44:46):
I mean, the metaphysical law that that I've always come
back to when I think of this is that if
it works, it's true.

Speaker 3 (02:44:53):
Look, I've said this before. I was in the hospital
and they said I would be in the hospital for
probably four or five even six months because they didn't
think I'd be able to walk again.

Speaker 8 (02:45:05):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:45:05):
For about six months, I sat there and did meditation.
My old martial arts instructor came to mind. I sat
there in that bed and literally pictured myself repairing my body.
I got released two months early, and not only was
I walking again in six months, my ass was back

(02:45:25):
to work. So you can do it.

Speaker 11 (02:45:30):
You've just gotpathway, right.

Speaker 3 (02:45:32):
And I don't know what the hell I was doing,
but it worked. So those shortcutters. Yeah, the will is
a very it's a very strong motivator. So yeah, I
mean there's definitely something to this, and it's it's basically
using your own energy to repair yourself.

Speaker 11 (02:45:51):
Yeah, it's all it's bio field energy therapy kind of thing.
I don't use the word therapy because it comes with
a whole bunch of.

Speaker 2 (02:45:58):
Like, Yeah, I mean that's another you talk about boxes,
I mean, that's its own box.

Speaker 11 (02:46:03):
Really, you know, it is scientifically proven.

Speaker 3 (02:46:07):
Yeah, Mystic says it sounds crazy, but colors are looking
brighter and clearer, and she says, thank you ever so much, Susan,
You're so welcome.

Speaker 11 (02:46:16):
Yeah, because what happens is you have this perception of
what it's supposed to be like, and that creates the
vision that you have moving forward. So, you know a
lot of people say, well, if you you know, you
have like a problem on your right side. You know
that's the male side and the left side is the

(02:46:38):
female side. And you know, if you can't really run
or walk or move forward like you don't really you're
challenge and moving forward in your life or all that
kind of stuff. Well, the same thing with seeing truth.
Are you willing to see your future? Are you willing
to see where you're going? Are you willing to see
what's happening right in front of you. So when you

(02:46:59):
eliminate the block on that, you actually have clearer vision.
So there's there's four sacred ceremonies that we do together.
And I love how you said a Kashak Records because
for me, I'm I was shown by my team a
forty five record for individual souls. So you all have

(02:47:22):
a forty five and it gets placed on the player
and the needle comes over and I play your soul
song and I can listen to your soul song and
they are so amazingly beautiful, and then it gets to
the part where it goes like there's a scratch on it,
there's like a ship. So I was working with collective

(02:47:45):
consciousness Humanity, and I'm shown our record as Humanity as
a thirty three. Of course that's bigger. The thirty three
record goes on and I play Humanity's soul song and
what comes up is the ear. And you asked me
who is it that's doing this? Like who are the they?

(02:48:07):
So here's the thing. The thing is, there are individuals
that benefit from us not asking questions, you know, not
being the conspiracy theorist, like even that was created to
sure a sidestep in a different direction.

Speaker 8 (02:48:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:48:29):
So what happens is these programs were created in order
to keep us in a place of not receiving because
we are massive manifestors. You give us a little like
have you noticed, like I'm in Florida, have you noticed

(02:48:50):
how they'll say there wasn't anything there in the ocean,
but now there's this, you know, tropical storm, or we
have the likelihood of a few you know, rough patches
showing up, and then the news picks it up, and
then we have it and then you're listening to it
on the radio. Well, we manifest, We manifest that madness

(02:49:13):
because I can manipulate the weather. I can manipulate the weather,
and I know it's possible because I teach other people
to manipulate matter. And it has to do with the
belief systems not being believed anymore, but being in the
infinite possibility field, which is God's domain, that's God's zone,

(02:49:35):
infinite possibility field of what's available.

Speaker 3 (02:49:39):
And I bill the gout everybody to pray for rain,
and it flooded.

Speaker 2 (02:49:43):
Flooded and killed a bunch of people. Scared, I mean,
never do it again. Yeah, so it has to be
I guess responsibly done. But you know, it sounds like
if you're doing it with the right intention, that wouldn't
necessarily be the outcome. I would hope. I don't know.
Is it possible that you could you'd mess something up
with this? Is that even possible by by maybe changing

(02:50:05):
the frequencies in a way that it actually goes askew
or goes wrong in some form of fashion.

Speaker 11 (02:50:13):
So that's polarity. There's no right or wrong. Okay, I
ask permission. So truth, Like you know, people have called
me for earthquakes and devastations all around the world, and
we'll get on a call and the first question is,
you know, truth, is this in alignment with the current timeline?

(02:50:39):
So if it's in alignment, so if it is to
be kind of a thing, then we cushion what shows up.
So it's not that it doesn't happen, it's that it
might not happen at the extent, or that it could
shift in a different direction. So the hurricane still happens,
but it's just happening off in a different direction. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:51:05):
Times have we seen where a hurricane or a major
storm will shift at the last second because you got
all those people on shore praying it doesn't hit them.
I think sometimes there's enough intention thrown up there that
it actually does move. I've seen that happen with me
with a tornado. If you remember, was it two years ago?

Speaker 2 (02:51:23):
The prayer against storms.

Speaker 3 (02:51:25):
Against storms, and you can see on the radar, and
I think I shared it on our network where you
had the red radar blob, red radar blob, and it
literally split in half around my house, came back together
in a tornado touchdown three miles northeast of me and
destroyed a bunch of shit. But I was on my
back porch praying that thing away, and by God, it moved.

(02:51:47):
Say what you want about it, but I use that
prayer for storms every time it gets sketchy.

Speaker 2 (02:51:52):
I still live in Florida, two suitsand and I used
that against one of the I forget which hurricane it was,
but there was one that back in the lane nineties,
I was in Palm Beach and and I went to
Palmache Atlantic University. I don't know if you're in southern
Florida or or or Orlando or the Panhandle, but you
might have heard of it. But anyway, it's it's uh.

(02:52:13):
I was right on the ocean, and they had closed
the beaches and everything else, and the and the the
this category five was supposed to slam right into us.
I did that prayer against storms, and you can see
the radar. As soon as it got to the edge
of the coast of Florida, it turned around and went
back out to sea. And it was not in any

(02:52:34):
of the models for that to have happened. It was
really a remarkable thing that that occurred, that that had
occurred that way, never touched ground. And I do I
attributed it to that because it was the first time
I ever used that prayer.

Speaker 11 (02:52:46):
Yes, you did that, Yeah, absolute, I.

Speaker 2 (02:52:50):
Believe that I do.

Speaker 14 (02:52:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:52:51):
I mean when I when I went back and it passed,
and I found out that the tornado did do some damage,
just because I heard, I basically felt it hurt. It
smelled it coming, and you know that smell right before tenaight,
if you've ever been in one, you know that ozone smell.

Speaker 2 (02:53:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:53:04):
And when it passed over me and we were out
of danger, I went and looked at the radar and
it literally just formed around me. I'm pretty sure. I
shared the picture on the network off to dig it up.

Speaker 2 (02:53:14):
It is fascinating, Susan. I want we only have a
few minutes left. I want to give you an opportunity
to share with the audience anything you want to say,
your website, ways that people could contact you for. I
don't know if you do private sessions, but anything that's
on your mind. Please you have the floor.

Speaker 11 (02:53:30):
Thank you so much. So, since we were talking about
the magic that we're doing, like, I mean, what other
way are you going to do it? My computer will
not stop.

Speaker 2 (02:53:39):
Yeah, okay, like it is massively, like totally it's put
too much energy out there tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:53:47):
Slammed it in.

Speaker 11 (02:53:48):
Yeah, there we go. It's calmed down, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:53:52):
Yeah, they're very sensitive to energy work. I find computers
are yes, and.

Speaker 11 (02:54:03):
I am in service to humanity. That is why I
am here. I have been here to have all of
these experiences, to have all of this in order to
be able to see it in other people. And I
can see it quickly and easily. So the target is
to get people out of the current frequency they're in,

(02:54:24):
create greater space in their cups. So I do work
one on one with people can pick it. I do
do small groups. I do have it's called Second Tuesday
or Wednesday. I always mess up the Tuesday Wednesday thing.
So the second Wednesday is a free event where everybody comes.

(02:54:44):
We all get together on zoom from all around the
world and we pick like, what's the one big problem,
what's the one thing that's stopping you, and we go
through and we put it in the chat and we
blast it out. And what happens is you not only
get yours, but you get everybody else's that's also in

(02:55:04):
the room. And that's quantum fied quantum like propelled out.
I don't know, I can't really talk. I'm not in
the third dimension with you again.

Speaker 2 (02:55:16):
Oh they're good. You're good. So you can find out more,
I imagine at your website, Susan Chatzer dot com. Yes, okay,
all right, that's in the chat for all of you
out there. Susan, I just want to say thank you
so much for being with us this evening. This has
been fascinating. I have thoroughly enjoyed everything that you've shared
with us tonight, and I really think it was very

(02:55:37):
helpful to this audience. So I really appreciate all the
great work that you do.

Speaker 8 (02:55:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (02:55:43):
We're getting close to the holidays, so you're gonna get triggered.
Let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (02:55:47):
Oh yeah, it always haffens, doesn't it.

Speaker 11 (02:55:51):
Join get on a call book, a no cost consultation
with me, Like, let's figure this out so you can
have ease moving forward.

Speaker 3 (02:55:59):
I know someone that you need to be introduced to.
And he's a friend of the show and he's a
hypnotherapist that works with the Michael Newton Institute. His name
is Reagan Fortston Forster and uh, and he is a
absolutely lovely man. I think you two would absolutely get along,
and I think you could actually share some some knowledge

(02:56:20):
and ideas with each other and even alien alien abduction. Y.

Speaker 11 (02:56:29):
So cool.

Speaker 3 (02:56:31):
So I'm going to be in a movie all cool.

Speaker 11 (02:56:34):
Yeah, it's called The Pillars of Power, and it's going
to be launched in the spring. And we brought together
a lot of the the secret actors that yeah, okay,
it's the twenty year anniversary next year, so we have them,
and we have like the new ones like us that
have been doing this since that came out kind of

(02:56:55):
a thing, and so we're all together creating the Pillars
of Power.

Speaker 2 (02:57:00):
Well, fantastic, Susan. I want to thank you again for
being with us tonight. Thank you so much. It was
fabulous everything you share with us. Brandon, thank you, Father, Chris,
thank you, and Jamie thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:57:11):
Thank you everybody you know, and a big thank.

Speaker 2 (02:57:13):
You to our moderators and to our audience. You know
we are here for you. We love you all, and
thank you so very much for spending your evenings with
us this on Tuesdays and season. We are at the
end of this season twelve and we now begin the holidays,
so I want to wish each and every one of
you a very safe and blessed Thanksgiving, Advent and Christmas. Season.

(02:57:38):
Will be back probably towards the end of February for
the winter spring season season thirteen. Can you believe it
that will be coming up at the end of February,
where we will join you again with fabulous conversations like
this one on esoterroriism, mysticism, metaphysics, philosophy, religion, spirituality, you

(02:58:01):
name it, we cover it on this show. All that
good stuff. Take care and God bless until February. I'll
see you all out there in the ether.

Speaker 15 (02:59:30):
Theistsstulist is the negests is, the last is the best
is the rest is the best. The song is the
last is the best,

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