Unlocking the Power of Numbers with Suzan Owens

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Speaker 1 (00:34):
And as.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
A good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whichever the case

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may be for all of you listening out there across
the crazy planet Earth. Welcome to Vestiges after Dark and
I am your host, Bishop Brian Willette, coming to you

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live from the deep woods of Western Georgia on this
March twenty fifth, twenty twenty five. Tonight, we dive into
the subject of numerology with a brand new guest, Susan Owens,
who's going to be here in the second and third

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hours to talk to us about the entire discipline of numerology.
I think you're going to find it to be a
very enlightening episode, maybe enlightening about yourself and the world
around you. Numerology is a fascinating subject and that's what
we're covering tonight, So you don't want to miss this one.
Don't go away. Well, hello everybody. I hope you are

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all having a wonderful evening. Once again. I'm your host,
Bishop Brian a lot with my co host Jamie will everyone,
and we're going to be talking about numerology here tonight.
But first we're going to see how all of you
are doing and give a big shout out to our
audience and our moderators, everybody who makes this show possible.

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We're thankful that you're all here to spend the evening
with us, and you know, it's a lot of work
putting the issue together. Let me tell you we're having
some issues with the feed and it has nothing to
do with the Internet. The Internet problems will resolved. This
is a software issue, it seems, but the simulcasting software

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disconnected over the last two weeks from TikTok, and it
will not let me reconnect to TikTok. In fact, when
I click on it, it says I've the the It
says my live rights have been rescinded.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
But what did you do?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I didn't receive any notification there's any problem. And then
when I go to my account, it says that there's
no strikes. There's nothing you can actually check on TikTok.
How many times you've been a violation? I mean, I
know we've talked about some very deep and difficult subjects
on this show, but it's never been a problem before.
So I don't think it's a TikTok policy issue. I

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think it is a stream Labs issue, and for some reason,
I cannot get reconnected. So I don't know what's going on,
but we're going to not be on TikTok tonight. Unfortunately,
we are everywhere else tho. So if you're joining us
from Instagram, Facebook, Twitch, or YouTube, we're very grateful. And

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as I've already mentioned to you two weeks ago, I
think it was, Spreaker has discontinued. It's live streaming, So
Spreaker no longer. You can never longer listen on spreaker
anymore live, although the archive of the show, the audio
only version archive, which is the true podcast version, which
gets sent out to all of the various podcast platforms

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out there, will be available after the show, usually within
an hour or so, maybe a couple hours after it
airs live on on the video platforms. So no, it's
not TikTok Police, Lorraine, it's not TikTok Police. People are
in the chat are asking now, it's it's it's uh,
it's something with the with the simulcasting software. It's just

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not connecting properly tonight. Even on Instagram, it's supposed to
be showing you a vertical picture because you know, people
like to watch on their phones, and so we do
a vertical feed to Instagram and TikTok, and even Instagram
where we are live is showing you a horizontal feed.
So I don't quite understand why that's doing this. Like
I said, I'm a bishop, not an engineer. You know,

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Rubber Bones, Mber Bones and Star Trek. I'm like doctor, dammit, yeah,
not an engineer.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Well, I can't help you with It's not my forte.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Either, damn it, Jim.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I'm lucky I sign on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. Well, I mean on some
days I'm I'm not lucky. I'm unlucky if I can
sign on to Facebook, because then I have to deal
with all the political crap. So anyway, we are, we
are live tonight, and we're in season, and I finally
have a nice solid feed. We've got the internet situation resolved.

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I don't know if I mentioned it to everybody, but
if you if you were wondering what was going on
with our feed, we have a line. As as you know,
we are about a quarter of a mile off the
main road, down a long private road that goes deep
into the property, into the woods, and so the cable
line that gives the Internet feed to this to this

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building and to this making this show possible, has that
one line going all the way a quarter of a
mile from to the road. We've been having all sorts
of issues, as you know. So a tech came out
and he went and took a look at the line
and he found that right before it gets to the house,
somebody had spliced it into six different pieces and five

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of those open wires were just going directly into the dirt,
no grounding, nothing. So what they were doing and he says,
it looked like it was about fifteen years ago because
it had electrical tape around it. The AT and T
which is our ISP does not use electrical tape in
this way, so they knew it wasn't a job that
they had done. But he said, this is most likely

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why your signal's breaking down so often, because what you're
doing is you're doing an intensive thing like streaming where
the signals being sent out it's and you're losing a
fifth of the signal, or more than that, you're losing
four fifths of the signal into the dirt and only
a fifth of the signals actually getting out there.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
The grubs and the ants can enjoy.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
The show, Yeah, well they uh he fixed that, he
got rid of that splice and he repaired the line
and now we have a solid internet connection and it's
been solid ever since. So that was what we go
that was going What was going on all this time?
I mean, it's like, what the hell were you thinking?
I don't know who did that. It had to be
the builder of the house. We're only the second people

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to own the house, so it was the previous owner
that built this place. And I don't I don't, I
don't know. I don't know why he would do that
because it doesn't make sense, but it was something that
happened in their tenure, or maybe they didn't know what happened.
I don't know, but we're glad it's fixed. Now. Joining
us from Australia, we have father Chris Yates. How you're

(09:41):
doing tonight? Father? Hey, how you doing doing well? Doing well? Good?

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yeah, I'm right, well, I'm much I'm much happy enough.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
My wife was overseas for a week.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Oh okay.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
The benefit of that is to just bring grog back
to She was in Sweden, so she brought.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Yeah, that's what they make there.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
So so I'm glad to have it back last night.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
So things are looking up being really busy.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's right. Yeah, that's wonderful. Now your your sound sounds
a little bit muffled. I don't know if you've got
a new setup going on, but you know, I.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Did the silly thing of updating zoom just before I
dialed in, and I think it's not quite right, so
I'll fiddle around in the background.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Okay, I know we're not the only one because that
doesn't sound like it's coming out of that microphone or
there's something that it's doing with it, because it's like
usually you're crystal clear, like you're in the room, and
now you sound like.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
You're hang on a minute, wait wait, wait, well on second.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
It sounds like you're actually calling in from Australia this time,
you know.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Cup of string.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Let me see this.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
That is totally different. You were on a different mic.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah, it's me set as they do it. We said
all the settings and so it was using my headset mic.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Oh, that would explain it. That would explain it. Yeah,
I could tell it wasn't the same microphone. You're crystal
clear again. That's great to have you back.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Okay, it's good to know that my silky voice is
bucket for full flow.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
You got to you gotta watch, you gotta watch those
those zoom settings. They are they are really finicky, and
it's so easy to get wrong if you don't have
because you know, usually computers will have like five or
ten different audio settings that you can choose from, and
usually only one or two of them actually work. So
I don't know what the whole deal is with that,

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but it sounds so much better now. Also, joining us
from Tennessee, we have Brandon Milam. How you doing, Brandon?

Speaker 6 (11:45):
I'm doing pretty good, and I hope my audio is fine.
I don't think zoom updated.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
You sound great as always.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Don't touch anything, Brandon, I'm telling you it's it's been.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
It's been treacherous over here. The gremlin are working over time,
they really are. But we're we're we're here now and
that the line's not spliced anymore, so we should be good.
I am. I am still prioritizing the bandwidth just to
be on the safe side, though. It can't hurt to
do that, all.

Speaker 7 (12:18):
Right, So that's probably what happened there is I don't
know what age the person that built the house was,
but that's like, yeah, that's like a twentieth century solution
to a twenty first century.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Problem about my age, I think, but it's not something
I would do.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
Putting tape over internet in line is not going to do.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, and then leaving four or five of the open
wires just in the dirt, you know, just not a
smart thing. I would really like to think it wasn't
the previous owners, but somebody that was doing work for them.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
And probably a maintenance person and.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Try to hide it. That's what it sounds like to me.
I didn't want to get in trouble, didn't want to
lose their job or something. Who knows. But okay, so
let's go ahead and jump right in here with questions
from the ether, Brandon, what do you have for us tonight?

Speaker 8 (13:09):
All right?

Speaker 6 (13:10):
So the first question, in general terms, if Satan of
Christianity originates within the Jewish concept of yet Sahara? Is
there a figure that originates within Yetserhatov?

Speaker 2 (13:24):
No? Okay, So let's explain this to people that might
not know what these terms mean or have never heard
these terms before. We've talked about them a few times
on this show before, but if you're not a regular listener,
you might be a little lost with that question. So
yet Sahara okay, is the Jewish concept of the proclivity

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of human nature to do the wrong thing all right,
to be self interested, to be selfish, to be self motivated,
and to make decisions that will harm other people, even indirectly,
if it benefits oneself. And this was represented in scripture
in the Hebrew Scriptures, which is the Christian Old Testament,

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as yet as as the as the snake in the
Garden of Eden. Okay. Now, of course, over time that
became attributed with the devil, but that was never an
association that the Jewish people made. That's something that came
about in the in the Christian era, and and and

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yets a horror. It's still very much the dynamic that
that I think we work with today. I think that's
the purest telling of the story. As I've mentioned before.
So when we talk about the story of Adam and Eve,
which is of course a metaphor, it's not a history.
These are not real people that existed, I know, right,

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That's how most of us were tied, right, I don't
know they are. They are represent of of some kind
of divine, spiritual reality that is largely ineffable and this
is a way of the human mind comprehending it. And
so it's trying to, of course, as all religions try,
some do better than others to explain the nature of

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evil or the existence of evil. Why is there evil?
Why should there be evil? When we have obviously a
concept or a motivation for good, then why does evil
seem to dominate instead? And when we're not just talking
about like bad behavior here, we're also talking about negative

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consequences like death for example, even natural things, pain and suffering.
These are inevitables, you know, inevitabilities rather in our existence?
Why does that dominate our existence? And ultimately wins in
the end. So yet, ta horror sort of gets all
wrapped up in that. Of course, we have the story
of the fall, you know, Adam and Eve, you know,

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they eat the forbidden fruit and this leads to bringing
death into the into the world. Of course, this is
again a metaphor So yet Sahara is the name that
the Jewish people have given, or the Jewish scholarship Jewish
rabbis have given to that principle that is represented personified
in the Book of Genesis as the snake that tempts

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Eve and then of course Eve convinces Adam it's a
good idea, and then they both partake, and human nature
falls all right, and death results. You also have though,
in Jewish theology, yets a heart's hat off, okay, And
that's that's the inclination to do right, or of an
instinct that some of us have. At least I think

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most of us have to do good things, because it's
not just like people being self interested. We all are
kind of a combination of both, right, you know, sometimes
we make selfish decisions. Sometimes we're very generous. You know,
there are people that are more one than the other
out there. But there is no personification forgets a hat

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to because ultimately all all inspiration to do good is
of course part of the original divine nature. And so
from Jewish theology, from the Jewish theological point of view,
that's the natural condition. It doesn't need to be personified.
We're the personification of everything good. We defile ourselves when

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we become self interested, and that's falling short of the mark,
which we call sin.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Okay, interesting, we should we should never, we should never
seek affirmation for doing the right thing, right, the normal thing.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
Yeah, that's the chriss object. Right, Yeah, I take care
of my kids. That's what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
That's right, that's right. Yeah. So yeah, they wouldn't have
personified it because we are, in our purest form, the
person modification of everything good. I mean, that's what That's
what it means in Genesis when God creates things and
then of course what does it say? And God said it,
you know, found it to be good. That's what is
meant here is that creation is ultimately good. It's been defiled,

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it's been corrupted, but it is in its purest form good.
So yet it's a is us in our purest form,
it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
It's a rejection, you know. That's why Manichenism doesn't fit
with it. Yeah, yeah, because we don't believe that creation
is fundamentally evil.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well that's the problem. That's the problem with all of
gnosticism too, is the idea that gnosticism pretty much feels
that everything is is is evil because it was created
by an inferior being. They don't Gnoscissism doesn't blame humanity
for everything that's wrong. It blames this inferior being who

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thinks it's God. And they call that the demiurge, and
so what we're living in is we're in trap. We're
actually enslaved in this prison that it created, thinking that
this is what it was supposed to do.

Speaker 9 (19:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, And that's why narcissism was rejected as a heresy
because it falls too far away from what the proto
Orthodox teaching was. And not that it's completely devoid of value.
There's a lot of value. Yeah, there's a lot of
value in there too.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
And the best of it has been the Church.

Speaker 10 (19:33):
It has.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, it did, it really did. It's like you know,
I mean, back then, there weren't these hard, you know,
rules of saying, oh this is heresy, this isn't. They
were just they were just philosophers, right, figuring it out,
being like, what is the closest thing to what we
understand to be true? And then that's when they said
you know this, we we we're with you on this one.
This makes sense, but this part does not.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
And also actually this is an important difference for Catholics
and Orthodox as opposed to more Protestant approach. We actually
believe we're still engaged in that process.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
Yes, that's why we have that's why we have encyclicals.
That's why we have counsels, it's why we have you.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Know, things promulgated from from church figures that process is
still in motion, which is actually a great argument against
the sort of science scientismists they say, oh, you know,
the scientific method is best. It's you know, you test
something out and you observe it, and like the church
does exactly that, and that and the fact that method

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came from hermeneutics, from from from the church saying what's
been revealed to us, what do.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
We know now? And let's review that again.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, well right, you're exactly right, precisely right. Can't talk tonight,
Sorry about that. Guys. When I get too involved in
in fixing tech support my my thought process kind of
you know, I lose myself in it, then it's hard
to come back to being social again because I could
become like this little hermit. I can't remember. No, I

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gotta be social. Yeah, go ahead to my cave. And
I'm already like I'm a cancer, right, I'm a cancer.
We like our shells. Yeah, all right, So what's our
second question?

Speaker 6 (21:10):
A second question is more of like a two part question. Okay,
so I have a question or two about divination. I've
tried to read back through all the previous questions asked,
but I'm not sure I miss something. The first one
is what does the Urim and thummim I understand it
is acceptable forms of divination? And secondly, how is the
stuff we're learning through the webinar different than what is

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condemned in the Bible?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Okay, So again to kind of give up a little
bit of a clarification here for new audience members or
people that might be not familiar with what I teach.
But one of the things that makes I think, uh,
this church different and unique from just any kind of
conventional Christian denomination is that we are esoteric Christians, right,

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This is an esoteric Catholic church the cool kids. So
what that pretty much means is that where a lot
of conventional establishments will just outright reject as dangerous any
kind of material that it it finds to be in
contradiction to their own personal interpretations of scripture, we do

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not make those kinds of judgments. In other words, we
find that all philosophy as of value, all knowledge is useful,
and we embrace it, not necessarily consider it authoritative in
any way, but we embrace it as as as a
study that is worthy to be known. And so my webinar,
which we call Forbidden Truth, and the reason we call

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it forbidden truth is because it's truth. It's forbidden to
most Christians knowledge. We cover those subjects like we do
on this show that you know, most Christian Christians won't
even touch, and you know, we do it in a
in a in a very very enlightened way, in a
way that takes the fear out of it, you know.

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So divination is one of the foundational parts of what
I teach in the webinar, and not because I'm trying
to teach everyone to become a fortune teller, but because
I want to teach people the archetypal language of the
universe because in my understanding of how this works, and
it's certainly it's backed up with with the centuries, if
not millennia of esoteric teaching in philosophers that you know

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also knew this stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
We're going to touch on that language tonight.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
We are we are with numerology absolutely, but you know
the psychology and psychology as well. Yes, the language of
archetypes is the divine language of God. It is the
very language of God himself. It really is. This is
how the universe and when God said, let there be light,
those words, when God's word brings utters forth creation, it

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is the archetypes that He is literally sending forth from
his mouth and they become the very processes of consciousness,
how our consciousness works. And so divination is basically a
means to understand how to read that. And if you
understand how to read that, yeah, it has the happy

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side effect that it can tell you the future if
you know how to do it well, it can. And
that's how tarot carts work and other oracles of that kind,
eging ruins, all that stuff. So you know, but Christians
will be quick to tell you, oh, no, you can't
study that stuff because it's condemned in the Bible. So
we need to talk about a little bit of this
because of the one of the diffnation methods that is

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acceptable in the Bible is the urim and thummim. And
the first question here is what is it. The fact
of the matter is, we're not entirely sure what it is.
We just know through most biblical scholars that they were
objects or stones that were somehow placed into the breastplate
of the high priest crystals they were probably precious stones,
are semi precious stones of some kind, and and then

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they could be cast as lots to discern the will
of God by the high priest. It wasn't something that
anybody could buy or use or have their own urim
and thummim. It was a very special sacred tool that
was reserved for the high priest to use to discern
the will of God. And it was done through basically
a casting of lots kind of thing. At least that's

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what most Biblical scholars believe it to be. But we
don't know exactly how it worked or what it was exactly.
We just know that it's in there because the Bible
says it's in there, all right, So we know that
there was something. But this is this is a good
example of why divination as a blanket concept cannot be

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condemned in any way because why was erm and thummim okay?
But yet you know, people will say tarocarts, you're not. Well.
The fact of the matter is there's a lot of
different aspects to what is being referred to in scripture
as divination, and when it condemns divination, it's condemning a

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very specific type of thing. It's not talking about discerning
the will of God through some type of tool. It's
talking about number one specifically necromaency. Right, So, but basically
what the Bible is condemning is necromancy and conjuring up
the dead to derive secret information. That's what's being condemned

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in almost all instances of when it says, you know,
when it condemns divination. The second thing is divination was
you know, that is used in a deterministic way deprives
a human being of the most sacred gift that God
has given them, which is free will volition. So the

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other problem of divination is that when it's used as
a decision making tool in the sense that then the
person you know, let's say, divines the future or their
own future. When they use that information as a deterministic result,
that says that they now they're locked in. They can't
make another decision, or they can't they feel like like

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fate has now spoken and there's no way around it.
That is also what's being condemned here. So as long
as tools like tarot ruins aging all these oracles are
used as a psychological tool to help one to discern

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the spiritual climate of a situation. There is absolutely nothing
scripturally condemning about that, because that's what Urim and Thummim
were used and how it was used to discern the
will of God. And when you're when you're saying that
in this same context, it means basically the same thing.
What you're trying to devote, what what what? What the

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tarot does, What the aging does is it divines the
quality of time, And what you're trying to do as
a user of these tools is to discern the quality
of time. Is there are the archetypes that are active
in this present moment conducive to the type of result
that I am seeking. If I'm winding to take out
of an act of my own volition a certain direction,

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is this direction favorable or is it unfavorable? And if
it's unfavorable, why, and then you can make decisions to
work with that energy however you decide to do so.
But if you use it as like, oh, the tarot
told me I can't do this, so I can't do
this now. Oh I don't know if this girl that
you know is somebody I should date, or if you know,

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maybe she's going to be your wife one day, but
then the tarot told you that no, you shouldn't marry,
or so then you don't. Now you're taking your own
free will away and in ascribing it to some inanimate object,
and that that damages our relationship to God. Okay, so
that's not how the the Urim and Thummim were used.

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They were. It was used with the will of God,
not against it. So we can do the same thing
with tarot or ruins, although I would say as a
caveat that they should not be just done by anyone.
I don't think it's a good idea for people to
just go down to their local Barns and Noble or
whatever bookstore you might have and pick up a deck

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of tarot cards or order them on Amazon and just
start playing around with them. I don't. I don't think
that that's responsible either. I think it is. It's a
serious study. I think if you're willing to commit to
that serious study, then a lot of good can come
from it as long as you know how to apply
it correctly. But if you apply it in a frivolous way,
like you know, a gypsy fortune teller kind of way,

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I think I think that diminishes it, and I think
that diminishes your value, your intrinsic value to make decisions.
You should never deprive yourself of the free will. This
is why I tell people when you ask questions, don't
ask the arrow what's going to happen? Don't ask the
pharaoh should I do this? In other words, ask it
what will happen if I do X, Y or Z.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Always kind of does it support your what you just said?

Speaker 4 (30:16):
From a biblical perspective, In the Old Testament, we have
the casting of lots as well as a legitimate you know,
so what you just described was authorized by these rights,
like the use of the but so were the casting
of lots.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
But then we in a sense.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Even the casting of lots, well, in the New Testament,
the casting of lots is by by when Jesus refers
to it, well, the.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
Cast lots over his garments after his after he's murdered.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
So the idea, the I think even that is being
in a sense rejected in the New Testament. That because
because that's again it's it's a cop out, right.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
The whole point of free will.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Is you're not I mean, you actually can't give it
away because because we created, we have it, and so.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
We're only pretending to give it over. You know, what
we're saying is, I'm going to allow this.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
To be deterministic in me, to let me off, you know,
to avoid any responsibility for my own actions.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
And it's very very clear in at least in the News.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
I think it's clear in the Old Testament too, but
it's certainly clear in the life of Christ that that
you cannot that's not.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
That's not an excuse. There's no accessible giving away of
your free will. You can't do it.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
You can't do it, just like yourself. You can't sell
your soul. You know, when they say I sold my
soul to the devil, Now how do I get it back?
It's like, well, so I hope that answers the question.
It's a it's it's a bit involved there. But I
think you know, what's important for people to understand about

(31:57):
this is that it's these are not blanket statements. We
can't just take what's in scripture and make a blanket
judgment about it. We have to understand the context, the
historical context most importantly, but also the context of what's
being said. And most of the time when it's talking
about divinations, talk about conjuring the dead, and because that

(32:17):
is such an unclean action to the Israelites, you know,
think about Jewish law, think about how even even dealing
with dead bodies to prepare them for burial would make
them ritually unclean, where they would have to now be
purified before they could exactly exactly. So, so this was

(32:39):
like talking to the dead to get secret information would
make you unclean and would be seen as an abomination
because you're not supposed to be disturbing them, you know,
the whole what's what's the whole thing? The little cartoons
with the tombstones all say rip rest in peace. The
whole point of that is that you're supposed to be
left to place contract for them, but not conjuring them,

(33:01):
not you know, not not disturbing.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Just like Samuel got will, why are you waking me up?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Waking up for this?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Right?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
It's true? Okay, So there you go, Brandon, what's our
next one?

Speaker 6 (33:17):
I would also add to that that there are different
types of defination in the Old Testament that still is approved,
like the profits.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
That's type of different divination.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Well, I don't know if I call the profits divination
the prophets were were basically messengers of God's will. They
didn't use tools to divine God's will.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
They non tool using divination.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Kind of well, because I think the word prophecy gets
associated with telling the future.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
That's there's more about dreams and visions. Yes, which is
I mean, that's not I mean depends how you look
at it.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
But it's not an object right, I mean, but I
think I think most Jews and Christians would say those
the fact that those dreams and visions either came true
or that they were of worthwhile use for humanity for
thousands of years is a signal that they came from God.

(34:17):
And so that's a very different thing from you know,
trying to divine your future.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, and prophecy is a very different thing from trying
to discern the future because prophecy is not telling the future.
Prophecy is telling the will of God, which sometimes includes
a future information. But it's not about telling the future.
It's about relaying or you know, basically being able to
relate to a people what the will of God is

(34:45):
about a particular situation. And ultimately, there are no prophets anymore.
John the Baptist was the last one that was ever needed.
He was the forerunner to Christ. After Christ, there's no
need for this because now we have a direct relationship
with God, so we don't need prophets anymore, which is
why we don't have anymore. Although we have Christians that claim,
you know, there's churches where they have people calling themselves prophets.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
I understand, we've got a client who think she's a prophetess.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, and see that's that would be. Now you're getting
into the kind of condemnation territory when you start using
that terminology.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
It's not I think you're speaking if you think you're
speaking for God.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Now, I know, as a priest, people might say, well
don't you say that all the time, Like, well, not really,
you know. I it's incumbent on the clergy to make
a clear distinction between you know, my views on politics
or bah whatever from from you know, authoritative teaching.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
That's that is not from me.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
That is from God that I'm merely receive and pass on, right,
which would you some Paul you know in Corinthians, for
you know, for I I passed on to you what
I received on the night he was betrayed. And then
the last Suppers you know, So I think any Christian
leader or even whatever religious leader who blurs that line

(36:06):
too much is somebody should be avoided.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
When they start talking about how like they've received a
vision that the world's going to end or something, or
Jesus is coming back. It's usually these days people claiming
to be able to tell you when the end times.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Is, which is directly against the direct.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Really is there very much is, But it's like, you know,
I mean, even when I discerned my vocation of priesthood,
when I had my first inspiration to become a priest,
that was prophecy. That is a type of prophecy in
the sense that it was God relaying a message to
me to accomplish his will. The future part of that

(36:45):
was that I would one day be ordained into the priesthood.
But you know, just the message itself, the inspiration itself,
is prophecy. So when we're talking about the charismata, the
gifts of the Holy Spirit, it and prophecy being one
of them, that's the kind of hate I don't want
to call sanctioned prophecy, but it's it's the one. It's

(37:08):
a type of acceptable spiritual practice because you're discerning God's will.
You're working with within the range of God's will. That's
how you tell the difference. You're outside God's will and.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Get and we get troublesome.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
If you then if if you, if you attempt to
extend that out, because you know your own personal prayer
and reflection, which is essentially the same thing.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
You know, discernment.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Discernment happens, Yes, some people have a specific gift to discernment,
But discernment of what God's will is for our lives
happens by prayer and reflection, and it becomes revealed to us.
And that, in a sense is a personal prophecy, I suppose.
But we wouldn't extend that out to say, therefore everybody
in the world's got to become a bishop, you.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Know, right of course, Yeah, that would be ridiculous that way.
Now it doesn't, It doesn't, So there you go. Does
that Does that help? Brandon?

Speaker 5 (37:59):
Yeah, that does help.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
Okay, So for our third question, I remember when you
have said regarding individuals who have pagan beliefs that the
pagan deities are just aspects of God. What of individuals
who worship Satan? Is it the same sort of thing?

Speaker 2 (38:15):
No, because there's no worshippers of Satan, even if you're
talking about there's two kinds, all right. There's basically secular Satanists,
and then there's there's more of a religious kind of
Satanism where they do see this as an actual being.
Like most Satanists do not see Satan as an actual being.

(38:37):
They see it as a yeah, yeah, usually it's it's
basically seen as an archetype of indulgence that you have,
you have the freedom to not deprive yourself of any pleasure.
So in a sense, I would say that they're not
worshiping a god. They don't see Satan as a god.
Even the religious Satanists don't see him as a god.

(39:00):
They basically worship worship themselves is what they do. So
it would not be the same thing as paganism, where
they have actual deities that are that are considered to
be divine beings that they worship in much the same
way with the same general intent that a Christian would
worship their their God. You know. So the real issue

(39:24):
I think that you this kind of gets us back
to jet Sahara, right, okay, because what are they worshiping?
What are Satanists worshiping with their focus on the self
and self indulgence. And the type of hedonism almost is that,
you know, when you really break down what evil is,

(39:45):
we can call it bad behavior, and we can call it,
you know, all sorts of horrible things, perversion, corruption, whatever,
but really what it is in its most basic form, okay,
is egocentric. Egocentric behavior, ego centric focus. That's all it is, okay,
And of course out of that, that's all it needs
to be, because every horrible thing can come out of

(40:07):
that one thing. So, whether you're committing acts of rape
to gratify one's need for you know, sexual dominance or power,
it's very rarely about actual sex. It's usually about control. Right,
whether you're trying, you know, lying to get a promotion
or to get some advantage somewhere, or you know, making

(40:29):
excuses to just be uncharitable or just be an uncharitable person.
You know, all of that is ecocentric behavior, which ultimately
is the yet sahara. So if you really want to
take it back to how the archetypes play out, okay,
from a union's perspective, now, then we could say that

(40:51):
in the Garden of Eden with the snake in the tree, right,
that's we call that satan. Right, But people think that
that's like a real thing, a real being there, that
that's that's he was actually in the form of a
snake to seduce us. That's not what I'm saying. That's
not what happened. Okay. Satan is the yet Sahara saying
is literally the proclivity to be egocentric, to be self

(41:14):
interested and.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
For self worship, for self worship.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
Yes, then, yet Satanism in that, in that secular sense,
it does go further because loads of people that you
get centric in the world, I mean myself included, but
you know, from time to time.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
We have extremes, well we all have.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
But I think the distinctive thing about you know, the
kind of church of Satan, which is you know, a
secular institution they celebrate is well they worship it. It
becomes self worships. It is taking ego centricism to the
next level.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, exactly right. So so you have you have I'm
sorry for it, Yeah, so you have you have Satan, right,
which is the yetsa hoa right. Okay, And yet Sahara
is where we the human proclivity to sin or do
the wrong thing. The humans proclivity to sin produces what
we call in Christian theology, the fallen nature. Fallen nature

(42:11):
is what created the original sin, right, or you could
say that kind of happens or spawn together. Original sin
and fallen nature kind of happened at the same time.
Original sin is humanity's free, volitional choice to make decisions
that violate the will of God. So every time that
you do something that's less than what God would want
you to do or would inspire you to do, you're

(42:33):
kind of participating in original sin in the same way
that you know Adam and Eve does in that story.
And then making decisions that violate the will of God
creates a negation or absence of old that is good,
which is why it's problematic. It's not that God's got
this big ego and he's like, you know, you gotta
do what I say. It's about that the perfection God
represents all things in absolute wholeness and perfection, and when

(42:59):
we put our own volition above that perfection, well that's
when we don't do things perfectly, and then that creates
a negation or absence of the good, which is how
most theologians define evil. Anyway, By the way, it's the
negation that they They would actually argue, most the elogians
would argue that evil is not an existing thing. Evil

(43:21):
is merely the absence of good. Yeah, so the negation
or absence of good, what is that? Well, the theologically
we call that satan So it comes full circle. Okay,
so this is how we get back to this, and
then we put a face on it. We personify, give
them pitchfork and horns and a tail, and now you
got a monster. But the monster is in you. The

(43:44):
monster is your decision to be less than perfect, right,
And what I think this tells us is that perfection
is attainable. It actually is. It's just we will inevitably
choose not to maintain a path towards perfection. We will
fall short, and sometimes not entirely our fault.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
I think it leads back to it to what I mean.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
I think the reason that we might say that Satanism
is evil rather than bad.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
Is because, you know, the sort of when I'm acting.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
From ego and being selfish and doing sinful things, I'm
being bad. I am being bad, lazy, slack, whatever, it
may be, disobedient, but I'm not being evil because being
evil is to seek to destroy goodness. Because by that definition,
you know, if evil is essentially the absence of goodness,

(44:43):
then seeking to remove goodness from the world, from a person,
from yourself. And we always forget, we always forget that
we defile ourselves first.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
But that is acting towards evil.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
And that's why Satanism is evil as oppos to bad,
you know, because because there's a deliberate attempt to destroy
that which which we know to actually be true and perfect.
But at least even if you don't have not reached
that recognition of Christ, most people would say it is good,

(45:19):
you know.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
Even what I mean is even.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
Atheists who are of good conscience would would say that
those those teachings are a good ways to lead your life.
And so that's why I Saytanism is evil. But it's
not like you said, It's not the pitchforks and the
you know, dressing in robes and doing incantations. It's the
it's the deliberate attempt to destroy truth and goodness.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yes, you're right, and if they're involved in that, and
and that's the part that well, I think they some
of them are, you know, I mean, certainly they do
my own.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
I think what's in that next level is that they
actually have decided to commit to something which which, by
its very design and is set out to undermine the
Christian Gospel.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Right, Like I've seen some. I mean, I've known a
lot of Satanists, right, and they used to troll me
on on Twitter when I was on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
That's pretty good exchanges too, we.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Did, and it's like respect them were pretty good. Yeah,
it was only the Church of Satan that was they
were really they were. They were assholes, I will be
completely honest. They were assholes, but most of the satan
in fact, they I think they they calmed down after
a bunch of them, they told them to stop because

(46:41):
we did have some I do, I did, I probably
still do have some Satanist followers who respect me. They do,
and and I don't really have a problem with them.
I don't, you know, I do I agree philosophically, intrinsically
with what you know their world viewers, No, of course not.
But I don't have to. We don't have to accept

(47:03):
a person's worldview to get along with them, or to
even have respect for them. I think that's something we've
lost in this world today. We've forgotten how to do that.
We're all going for the humanist we have an added burden, right, Yeah,
they don't have that one, so you know, and so
that was true charity. The fact that they were showing

(47:23):
me such respect and concern was actually true charity since
they didn't have any mandate to do, so, you know,
it was probably more genuine than what I guess. Yeah,
but no, the church is saying they were pretty Uh
they just came to cause, you know, to troll and uh,
I mean that that was just very childish in my opinion.

(47:46):
But yeah, so I'm boring and boring, Yeah, very boring.
But no, I don't I don't to answer the question ultimately, No,
that they don't see No Satanist is the devil or
or Satan as God as a god, or they don't.

(48:07):
The worship is either you're in the camp where you're
atheists and yet you just use the archetype of Sayan
as a as a as a symbol of self indulgence,
or you're a spiritual Satanist where you see him as
a fallen angel and you like his rebellion and you
want to be part of it. But there's really no

(48:28):
there's no there's nowhere where it says that, oh no,
Satan was really the actual god. No one, No one
says that, not even in Satanism. Pagans do indeed see
the gods as the gods, you know, they're the ones
that made all this happen. Satanists had never said that
Satan made all this happen. They don't see him as
a creator at all. They see him as a destroyer,

(48:50):
and they're happy with that. You know. So there's your answer.
We probably got time for one more of you got one, friend,
and I don't know if you do.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Pull one out there.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
I always have questions, just not quite.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
Let me see where right here?

Speaker 6 (49:11):
So does a rosary need to be blessed?

Speaker 2 (49:14):
I mean it should be. It doesn't need to be.
I mean, because you can do the prayer without a rosary.
In fact, if you want to keep track of on
your hands, I mean, you can use your fingers. It's
ten beads, so you can get ten fingers, you can
do them. I mean there are many times, yeah, I
mean when I'm driving my car. You know, well cars

(49:37):
don't usually have them that much anymore, but remember the
cars in the in the eighties, they used to have
like divots for your fingers and you could just move.
I could move and count the divots. I used to
do that when I was in seminary. And and I
didn't use a rosary when I was driving, you know,
but it was like, hey, I'm on this long drive,
I might as well pray, you know, and uh and

(49:58):
and so no, you don't need to bread black well,
but you should if you got one, you should, I mean,
because then you make it a sacramental at that point,
because it's sacramental the church. But you know, again, the
problem I have with it, and why I make sure
that you understand that it's the prayer that makes it
important is I don't like people thinking of these things
as talismans. They're not talismans. Blessed blessings are not incantations,

(50:20):
you know, they're not it's not magic. These are These
are expressions of grace, you.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Know, give you something tangible to focus yeah on.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
And by having them blessed, it's like you make a
connection where you're setting this aside as something something sacred,
something important, a special thing of special object that represents
that special time that you spend in prayer. But that's
all it really is. So does it need it?

Speaker 10 (50:45):
No?

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Should you? Yes? You know so kind of an easy question.
But any priest can bless of rosaries. So you can
even send them to this church and we'll do them
for you, send them back to you. We've done that
before for people who don't have a parish or something,
you know. I mean, we understand that, we understand that
most of the people that we serve are people that

(51:06):
have become somewhat exiled from their home churches and they're
making a new.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
But to what you said, I want to encourage people.
If you see a priest in the.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Street, which I hope you do, although I'm not dressed
as one at the moment, but dressed them in public.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
But if you see it on in the street, ask
them to bless your rosary. They will not only will
they they'll love that. Yeah, it won't be an encumbrance.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
No good thing to do, particularly particularly if.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
They're dressed, particularly if they're dressing their clerics, Because if
they're dressing their clerics, they're they're doing this with intent right,
ready for it, They're ready for it, they're meaning to
be noticed and that capacity. Whereas if they're if they
really don't want to be bothered. They're probably going to
go out and secular clothes so they're not noticed unless
they're in a small community where you know, people will

(51:59):
know who they are no matter what, which which.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
Is why you were anyway, because you might as well.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I mean I don't because I find it well, we've
talked about this. I find that clerics, uh, particularly in
the South, have created as different. Yeah, it's a it's
an obstacle that I think creates barriers better than anything else.
So it seems to scare people. It seems to anger people.

(52:25):
You know, have you noticed that? I mean, it does,
doesn't it? But I think most people it is, and
a lot of people with a lot of attachments, I
think now it was.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
It was settle by the Scots, and by that time
they were Calvinists, so there was no hope.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
There's no hole. Georgia is a is a very very
rough place. It is it is a rough place to
be the kind of avant garde spiritual person that we are.
It's just not a place that's very conducive to that. Here.

(53:00):
I felt perfectly at home in Las Vegas, but I
have never felt home here, not at all, you know,
I mean, it's just funny to me that that is.

Speaker 5 (53:09):
Because that's so superstitious.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Well, you know, it's like I will go. I'll like,
there's a time like when I when I take a trip,
when I take an official trip for the church, and
I am actually dressed in my clerical uniform. When I'm
walking through the Atlanta airport, I am constantly being shot
daggers people. Every person I cross, they are shooting daggers
at me, like there is a look of pure disdain

(53:33):
and discuss on their face, and at best they just
ignore me. But you know, the funny thing is when
I go through, like when I when I went through Seattle.
You know, I had to fly to to Victoria, British
Columbia to foreign ordination once and and I had to
I had to layover in Seattle for several hours, and

(53:54):
I was fully dressed, and people were so nice to
be out there. They asked me a about you know
about one even asked me to hear their confession and
that that that does not happen in Atlanta. They just
shoot absolute daggers at me. I hate it. I hate
being dressed in clerics here because it's like I didn't.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
Notice that the Outlincer Airport. But then I was I
was busy.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Trying to figure out where I was supposed to go,
so I was probably.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Not other than other than the people. Atlanta's a pretty
cool airport. Anyway, we're gonna take our first break here.
When we come back, we'll be talking with brand new guests,
Susan Ohen about numerology. Don't go away.

Speaker 11 (54:37):
You are active a verge of power.

Speaker 9 (54:40):
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Speaker 11 (54:43):
I don't care what they be saying.

Speaker 9 (54:44):
I'm gonna do it now, but not be really straight,
and I ain't giving up and notin't giving the do
it now for the dim and dare something on the path,
I'm just.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
Gonna get her.

Speaker 11 (54:50):
It's a come of mile.

Speaker 5 (54:52):
So man, I'm gonna give in now.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I'm gonna lift this now.

Speaker 11 (54:55):
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Speaker 9 (54:57):
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that king under when I'm notting the man, when I'm
back with the roll, I I'm.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
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Speaker 12 (55:03):
No.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Then I'm just going to say.

Speaker 8 (55:31):
You're a monster.

Speaker 9 (55:32):
There's some fis sit on my seat, and when I do,
I could never get no sleep.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
So I just need to get it, man.

Speaker 11 (55:39):
I need to be the thing that I just painted out.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
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Speaker 11 (55:45):
I'm gonna kill it. I'm gonna tack it.

Speaker 8 (55:46):
Dog, come in there.

Speaker 11 (55:47):
I'm gonna play it now.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
I'm gonna kill them.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Dog.

Speaker 11 (55:49):
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Speaker 8 (55:50):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Gonna get them inte real.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
They just need it.

Speaker 11 (55:51):
Tell these guys that they take.

Speaker 13 (55:52):
Him, beat it.

Speaker 8 (55:53):
I'm gonna give it.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I'm a grab it man, take it.

Speaker 9 (55:56):
I'm gonna make it mine. I'm explosive like a mine.
I've been working every time. Yeah, I do it on
the grind. I'm a shut I'm shut yeah every single day.
I'm gonna kill this.

Speaker 11 (56:06):
Competition because some going so excited what saying, Yeah, I
guess really went to the pen. But I'm just back
up my path.

Speaker 9 (56:13):
And if I said that, I was being okay, So
I ain't.

Speaker 11 (56:16):
Gonna worse you my chest and just my time.

Speaker 8 (56:18):
So I'm gonna be a master. I'm a chilling.

Speaker 11 (56:21):
This is mine you. Yeah, I am ready the fire.

(56:49):
I got a million desires it. I just need to
go chief.

Speaker 9 (56:53):
I just need to acquire some climbing up the ladder
and get some going up higher.

Speaker 11 (56:57):
I need to do it to the day my retire.

Speaker 10 (57:05):
It's a kissing heart of night.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
The stroke has through darkness.

Speaker 8 (57:11):
It's not just light.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
It's a Vedican began.

Speaker 14 (57:15):
The stroke because our guide, our shadows, dancing and strangers.
Our body is submerging each flashless story and memory for
a minute time where.

Speaker 8 (57:29):
Everything seems passful. It's night.

Speaker 12 (57:35):
Sound the strokes like its sis, here its hearts.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
You know, the heart of night.

Speaker 14 (59:00):
The strokes, it's not just light, it's any stroke becomes
our guide.

Speaker 13 (59:11):
Here heart.

Speaker 10 (59:26):
Stroke.

Speaker 15 (01:00:00):
Oh, don't away.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Men, do not away.

Speaker 15 (01:00:49):
They not agree, they're not aqueen.

Speaker 13 (01:00:53):
Do not agree.

Speaker 8 (01:00:55):
They got a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Welcome back everyone to Vestiges after Dark. We are now
getting ready for tonight's show on Numerology with our brand
new guest, Susan Owens. I can't wait for this one.
This is a great subject. It's one of my favorites
of the metaphysical genre, and tonight we've got a good
one for you. I think you're going to like it.
Don't go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
You're not agree, A free agree.

Speaker 15 (01:02:18):
It's not Aqueena, You're not.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
A free.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Okay everyone, are you ready for this? Our guest tonight
is Susan Owens, a sought after speaker, author, and media
personality with extensive expertise and numerology. Her deep study of
numerological charts and readings led her to write Wisdom of Numerology,
an award winning guide that helps individuals use the principles

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of numerology to create fulfilling and rewarding lives. Susan shares
the synchronicity, guidance, and transformative growth that numerology offers through interviews, articles, workshops,
online classes, and speaking engagements. With a passion for making
numerology practical and accessible, Susan empowers people to harness the

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deeper meaning behind numbers and apply their insights to everyday life.
Let us welcome to the show, Susan Owens. How you
doing tonight, Susan be doing great.

Speaker 10 (01:04:14):
Thank you so much for inviting me, And what fun
I got to witness this last hour with you guys.
Brilliant just loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
There she stand for it and a lot of guests
don't choose to stay for the first hour, but we're
glad you did. You know, we never know what I'm
going to get. Brandon is the one that Digsy's questions
out and we just have to kind of wing.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
It after that.

Speaker 10 (01:04:35):
Explains it. Okay, Brandon dug it out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
You probably learned a little bit about himself tonight, I
think with numerology, you know, so, I guess I'd like
to always ask new guests how did they get into
the field of subject you know that we're covering tonight.
So what brought you to numerology and what inspired you
to take this up as a as a as a practice.

Speaker 10 (01:05:00):
You know, I've always been metaphysical, Like even growing up
as a kid, astrology was loud in my life. I
don't know Linda Goodman's son signs or whatever, but I've
always been interested in that. I look, you know, the
tarot cards and all of it, and numerology when I
was growing up, and even today. I think today it's

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more well known than it was then, maybe the Internet.
But I didn't really hear about it until the eighties
and I looked at the book and I went, oh, okay,
this makes sense. But it was a little while after
that that I picked up another book and I went, oh,
my gosh, this is me, and I just I grabbed

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every book I could get, and just like a sponge,
I couldn't get enough. I really seriously couldn't get enough.
And what's interesting about numerology is that I think it
was a lot more popular about one hundred years ago,
maybe seventy five eighty years ago. Lucy's show, remember that one.
She actually opens the show one time and she's reading

(01:06:05):
a book on numerology and Ricky comes in and he said, oh,
she said, this is the best one. This is the
best one. And Ricky says, you're into that all the time,
this is just another thing, and she said, no, it's numerology.
It's better than astrology anyway. And it was on some
other movies and things I've caught it. But anyway, for me,
it's just answered a lot of questions. It's given me

(01:06:27):
some I want to say, guidance parameter in my life
that really really makes sense. So that's what it just
attached to me. And I I ran with it. And
the book that I wrote, Wisdom and Numerology, I wrote
it because I couldn't find a book like that. I

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had lots of encyclopedias, if you will, lots of big
fat books and lots of books that were not very informative,
and I wanted to write a very clear, concise book.
If you wanted to know what, for instance, a life
path three would be about, then you look up page
whatever fifty eight in there it is, oh maybe on

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live path three. So it's it's not your full comprehensive book.
It's a clear, concise guide that'll give you a bit
of information in a couple of minutes. That's basically what I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Going to have to get this because I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
I think it is in the chat.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Oh thank you, sure, Jammy put it up for all.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Lean of the issue.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Yeah, I'm going to get one too, because I'll tell
you I agree. There was not a lot of books
on numerology that do what you're just described. There's a
lot of Tarot books that do it. Runs They do it,
you know, make it very easy. I know I have
a Tarot book that breaks everything up to like not
only where it is in the in the spread, but
what it means if you're asking about money or if
you're asking about love, it actually has like a tailored

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answer for that card in that position with that subject.
But numerology not so much. It seems like it's almost
more esoteric, more difficult to get into from a perception
point of view, but it's really not once you actually
have the foundation to you to use it. So this
sounds like a wonderful book.

Speaker 10 (01:08:17):
Thank you very much. I'm really proud of it. And
now that we're talking about all my writing, I just
I've got another one coming out. I just talked to
my publisher today and we're keeping our fingers crossed. April
twenty second, we're going to launch. It's called Know Your Superpowers,
Know Your Future, and basically it's the talking about your

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life paths. Now, your life path is the number that
we the number that we get when we add your
birth date together. Numerology doesn't care where the cosmos, doesn't
care about the cosmos. There's two pieces of information that
we gather than your birth date and the name on
your birth certificate, because that's who you came in to be. Okay,
you can change your name all you want to change

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your gender, you can change whatever you want to change,
but the name on your birth certificate is truly who
you are meant to be when you come into this lifetime.
And your birthdate can't. You can change that, but it's
still going to be that that same date that you
came in. So those two pieces of information give us
a lot a lot about somebody. And I did do

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a birth date. I believe it's Brandon's birth date. So
I can tell Brandon a whole lot about himself tonight
if he's interested, dished?

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Do you want to be? Do you want to be
the guinea pig tonight? I think you probably do, don't you?

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
Why not the pig? All right?

Speaker 10 (01:09:39):
Okay, all right? But so that, oh, and then know
your superpowers, know your future, and we talk about personal years,
and I'll talk about that too with you, Brandon. So
there's two big pieces of information that come in this
this next book, and it's a it's a guidance book
to tell you about yourself and then give you a
little bit of information about what's going to happen in

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your future. And truly, let me talk about that too
before we get into you, Brandon, I'll tell you twenty
twenty five is a nine year numerology runs on a
nine year cycle, and it changes January to January because
the numbers change January to January twenty twenty five two
plus two plus five is nine. So we're in a

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nine year which is the last year of a nine
year cycle. What that means is, this is the year
that we let go, we give up, we let go
of things. It's closure. It's things will end. Whether you're
ready for them to or not, they're going to end,
and it's going to be a time when humanity steps up.

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There's going to be a big focus on humanity because
nine is a humanitarian number as well. It's a transitional
phase because we're moving we're closing out one nine year cycle.
We're moving into another one, which twenty twenty six will
be a one year the beginning of a cycle, which
is the year that you sit down and you think
about what is that I want to create for the

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next nine years. Okay, I'm going to jump away from that.
Are you ready, Brandon, let me tell you about you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
Let's go ahead.

Speaker 10 (01:11:12):
Okay. So I added your birthdate numbers together and what
we do when we can't. I got a three? Okay,
now three, which is really fun because I'm a three
threes like to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
So you're three to two, well, yeah, added up to
get a thirty. Drop the zero right right, yes, yeah, on.

Speaker 10 (01:11:31):
The aids and you're an eight. Oh good, oh this
is great. Okay, So we threes are communicators And Chris,
did you talk about did you calculate yours? Did you
add your number?

Speaker 16 (01:11:41):
Two? What'd you get?

Speaker 10 (01:11:43):
What number?

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
So I'm going I'm an eight, you're an eight?

Speaker 10 (01:11:47):
Two?

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
Yeah, yeah, I'm an eight.

Speaker 10 (01:11:49):
We've got money makers, and we've got.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
I'm about to give you a mind too here, just
so we can all be.

Speaker 10 (01:11:57):
Understood. I thought we were okay anyway, So threes, okay,
So Brandon, you and I are three. So threes are
all about creativity. They're the artists, the writers, the singers,
the dancers, the actors. It's a creative, creative number. And
when we think about that three and being able to

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communicate and being able to process our emotions, that's really
what life's about. Now. The thing about the three is
we are the idea guys. We come up with all
these incredible things to do, whether it is things to paint,
whether it is ways to dance, whether it is things
to write. Sometimes we get overloaded, meaning that we have

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all these ideas, and then we can get scattered because
oh we can do this, and we can do this
and we can do this now. Does that fit you, Brandon?
Do you sometimes get scattered with all these ideas going on?
Somebody else is laughing for one.

Speaker 13 (01:12:57):
I know of them.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
I can answer for them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
I think I'm definitely not.

Speaker 10 (01:13:05):
Okay good.

Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
So I have actually been working on a book that
is pretty much done. If I ever stopped tinkering with it,
you are going to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Take her with it a lot longer, and then you're
going to be.

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
You just have to surrender them.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
I can't wait.

Speaker 16 (01:13:25):
That's true.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
But I have been working on that, which is kind
of ironic because in terms of astrology, Aquarius dominates my
chart with five planets, so kind of like all it's
like merging into like creativity and research and whatnot.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
So it's pretty interesting.

Speaker 10 (01:13:43):
Well, I have a lot of Aquarius in my chart
to rising and moonshine, so that's pretty avant garde, eccentric
and not real grounded. So I think I think my
advice about your book, I can't wait to read it
it is you just have to decide. And for me,

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as a three, deadlines help me. I don't know do
they help you, Brandon, But deadlines really help me to
complete a project. Because that's another thing else threes don't
necessarily like to do. We kind of hop from one
thing to another, and that's stupid. So the other thing. Okay,
So that's the you're the three, all right, And surrender's

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a big issue for you. I'll just say that to
you right now. It's really important for you to surrender
and follow guidance. Maybe that how do I say that?
Just surrender? Let's just see. I'll just leave it at that.
So in numerology, I told you we have everything's on
a nine year cycle. And when we look at your

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birth date, there's those three numbers, your birth month, your birthday,
and your birth year. Now those we break up into
your lifetime. There's three major cycles in your lifetime, and
the first major cycle runs for you and two about
age thirty three. So what have you got about seven

(01:15:09):
more years until you're five? Okay, so you yeah, but
it's you're gonna shift in about seven That's what the
difference is. Okay. So growing up, January is a one right,
because January is a one month. So having that one

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as your formative years, we call in that first segment
of your lifetime. First third. It's all about independence and
leadership and learning truly who you are as a human
being and stepping up and being a leader. Now, the
thing that you also have in your chart at this
time is a challenge number one, which says you've got

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this wonderful energy of one that tells you you can
be a you can do all this, you can stand
on your own and really really understand who you are.
And then you've got to challenge one that says we're
going it's going to be a little bit more difficult
than most people in terms because there's life lessons that
are necessary for you to really get your own greatness.

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And I'm going to say it that way, okay, because
you have things to do in this lifetime. That and
cod you're young. If I'm looking at the twenties now,
and I think if you used to be if you
survive your teens, you've made it. Now it's like if
you survive your twenties, you've made it. So I think
there's a there's a lot happening in your life that's

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going to keep happening, and it's going to expand when
you when you hit thirty three, thirty four in a
big way. Let me say it that way, because I
told you got a life path three, you also have
this other three energy that is I want to say

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blessing you because it's telling it's telling me that you've
got all this creativity already and then you've got a
potential for even more creativity. So okay, here's some advice
you to ask for your book. Finish your book and
get on another one, because I know I'm better with

(01:17:23):
the project. If I don't have a project, I am
lost to the wind, so to speak. I've got to
have a focus, and I think that's a really good
thing for you too, buddy. So what I'm saying to
you then is right now you've got this incredible three
energy for your entire life because that's your life path.
But right now it's also in a positive place in

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your chart. That's going to give you some really really
good energy. Plus the other thing is that personal year.
When you add this other thing, you guys can do
take your birth month and your birthday and add it
to the current year, and that'll give you the personal
year you're in. So I told you this year is
a nine year. We'll add those two first numbers to

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twenty twenty five and that'll give you your personal year,
and I'll talk to you about those. Well, I'll go
through all of them, so i'll tell you a little
bit what's going to happen this year. But Brandon, you've
got a three year too, so also, so this is
a great year.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I got a three year. I just I just did mine.
I got a three year.

Speaker 10 (01:18:29):
Excellent. Okay, so this is a creative year. Threes. Threes
are all about enjoying life. In fact, we're on this
planet to show people how to really enjoy their lives.
Because I'm really sorry fours don't necessarily know how to
enjoy their life.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Well, we try, we try.

Speaker 10 (01:18:49):
That's truly a worker beat.

Speaker 13 (01:18:51):
And you want a.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Worker beat is a worker Yeah, yep.

Speaker 10 (01:18:55):
And if anything, I usually have to tell fours to
just take a break, really enjoy, Yeah, enjoy your life.
But the thing of it is, and I have trouble
with force because usually they're really the rule followers they
you know, and for me, rules are kind of a suggestion.
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
The older I get that's that's becoming me.

Speaker 16 (01:19:17):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
She was law enforcement, for I was military and retired
law enforcement. So I've had enough of rules. I'm kind
of a I'm kind of a more of a suggestive
rules are suggestions now too, So that's.

Speaker 10 (01:19:33):
Such a perfect four too, because you're following that life
right right, follow the line absolutely, and I struggle with
force because they are rule followers and and I'm not
so much. But the thing of it is a three
really needs a four in their lives to balance that
because a three can keep going down, keep going, and

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keep keep going and keep going, and they need that
for structure and discipline. Brandon, does that fit with you?
Are you looking for some structure and discipline to finish
your book? Because that's a necessity. And I wish i'd
learned it a lot younger than I did. That's the thing.

Speaker 6 (01:20:16):
So I did have a deadline for me back in February,
but I did hit that for reasons. But I do
have a second and a third book in mind once
I finished this.

Speaker 10 (01:20:31):
One, perfect excellent, Okay, I.

Speaker 6 (01:20:34):
Just don't know what I'm going to get to them.

Speaker 10 (01:20:35):
That's okay, that's okay, you'll finish them. So here's the
deal about you. Back to you again, and then I'll
get into your personal years when you hit your middle cycle,
because you're right now, you're in the formative cycle that
I told you there's three cycles, right, remember that, and
your one is that your January is your one formative cycle.

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Then you're going to move in about like I said
that age thirty three thirty four, you're going to move
into your progressive years that lasts about thirty years. Now,
what you've got in that thirty years is the twenty nine. Okay,
two plus nine is eleven. That's a master number. And
normally in a show, I don't get into master numbers,

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but I want to tell you about this because it's
really powerful to have it in this placement. That master
number is an eleven because two plus nine is eleven,
and what that means is that you're a spiritual messenger.
So there's your writing. It's not like you're going to
ever be done writing, buddy, You've got lots to write,

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and I think it would behoove you to again complete
this project because the next one's even going to be better,
and you're just going to get better and better, there's
no question. Because what you have is the ability, and
it's in your chart to absorb information from above. Your

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connection to spirit, to your guidance is very powerful and
it's going to really expand in your progressive years, which,
like I said, thirty four to sixty give or take.
So you've got the majority of your life to be
a gatherer of wisdom and give it to the masses. Okay,

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does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
And pretty cool?

Speaker 10 (01:22:32):
Yeah it is, it's very it's awesome. Not everybody shows
up that way. And then nineteen ninety eight that turns
out to be a nine. One plus nine plus nine
plus eight equals nine when you reduce it all down.
And what that means for you is that you are
going to serve humanity in your senior years. So if

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writing is your passion, I see your life as an author,
a published author and expanding and as in your wisdom years.
That's going to come back around and you, I want
to say, you're going to build on your writing and

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you're just going to keep doing it. You're going to
keep serving humanity and consciousness in a really positive way.
That's how I see your chart. Now. Yeah, I think
that's about all I'm going to tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
So that's a good one. I like that though, Yes,
room to discover.

Speaker 10 (01:23:35):
So I want to talk about personal years because it's
a big deal. This is and again this is in
my this is in my book this is this is
your future, know your future part of the book. So
in the nine year cycle, when we're in a one year,
did you think if you guys come up with a
one year No, I ended up.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
You're in an eight year and you're in a three three.

Speaker 10 (01:23:59):
Okay, so creativity. But all right, so a one year
when we start the one year cycle because universally everybody's
in a nine year cycle because we're all in twenty
twenty five together. But as a one year, that's the
year that you really sit down and try to not
try to manifest, you write it down. It's really important
to put it in physical form, what you want to

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manifest in the next nine years. How you see yourself
at the end of this nine year cycle. And I
think people do this. I never you know, I never
used to. But every year we should sit down and say, Okay,
what do we want to see for this year? What
do we want to let go of for the last year.
So this is a this is a year of one

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year is a year there's going to be a ton
of opportunities. It's going to be a really, really busy
year and not one to be lazy. Now, it's an
ambitious year and achievement focused year, and it really kind
of lays the groundwork for the next nine years. Okay,
in a two year that is a little bit it's

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not so intense. In a two year, we will and
this will be twenty twenty seven. It'll give us a
little bit of a break in terms of you're not
pushing so hard to manifest. You're really nurturing some of
the ideas that you try, that you wrote down that
you want to create. It's not a year to create.

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It's a year to collaborate and work with people because
of two when you think about it too, it's all
about partnership and working with people, paying attention to details
and cooperating, not competition in a two year. Okay, So
in a three year, like I said, this is the

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fun creative year, and it's really good for you number
four to be not to lighten up. And it's the energy.

Speaker 16 (01:25:58):
Okay, Okay, that's so funny, but it gives you.

Speaker 10 (01:26:13):
The numbers all have energy, and that's what that's what
I'm describing here, is the energy that comes into our lives.
So like in this three year, it's a creative year.
You've got to be creative if you're on this radio show,
so there must be some three in your chart somewhere
because you're actually doing this work this way and you're

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and you're being communicative. A four, we'd not necessarily enjoy
doing this kind of work, just this show. So it's
an optimistic year. It's all about being connected and growing
and having some expression in some form or another. Uh,

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and really enjoy yourself, like do things that you don't
have to do it. Threeses are lucky. It's a lucky year.
Money usually comes to threes too, So addressing any emotional
issues that come up because it threes again about communication
and be an artistic. Don't get scattered, and I wouldn't
worry about that. As a four, I wouldn't worry about

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getting scattered because you've got that structure and discipline and
understand so I wouldn't worry about that. But just enjoy.
And that's the thing about threes. They do know how
to enjoy things. So a three gives you a chance
to really take a break so to speak, now in
a four year. And this is why you really want

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to enjoy your three year, because that four year is
a year to really really work. It's all about structure
and discipline and diligence and pragmatism and being practical and
just getting your work done. It's a great year for
threes to write a book. It's a great year for
you just to set up a new foundation. When you

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think about twenty twenty, that was a four year, a
universal four year, and.

Speaker 12 (01:28:05):
What did we do.

Speaker 10 (01:28:05):
We had to build a new foundation, We had to
readjust how to reset and figure out how we're going
to live with this new set of rules. Well that's
basically what a four years about, So pay attention to details.
It can be a health that's funny. It can be
a health year for as a number for watching your health,
taking care of your health, and then also learning that

(01:28:30):
balance between routine and being flexible. But if you get
that done and you get a good foundation built in
that four year, a five year is a blast because
a five year is all about expansion, change, transformation, freedom
at all costs. That's the year to travel, to meet people,

(01:28:52):
really expand your horizons, try something new, take risks. You
don't take risks in a four year, that's your year
just to do your work. But in a five year,
it's a renaissance year, new beginnings. All kinds of exciting
things can happen, and the main thing would be not
to get caught up in all those changes, all those
things that can happen in a six year that's all

(01:29:14):
about home and family. Seriously, family will need you more.
It'll be a time to really think about how you
can nurture others and making sure that you still take
care of yourself and don't overdo the caregiving. But it's
about relationship. We call it our marriage and family year.

(01:29:37):
Your marriage is really all your relationships are under the spotlight.
But either you get married or divorced in a six
year or somewhere on the spectrum. It's like you either
renew your vowels or you get divorced. AND's but it's
like that's the energy of that year. It's a real
big relationship here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Right interesting Okay, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, So get this
because I can chart it out like I'm in three
right now, So next year's four, of the year after
that's five, heads up.

Speaker 10 (01:30:09):
Yeah it does, and it makes sense. And in a
seven year we get to go back. Now that you've
taken care of everybody in your six year and your relationships.
In a seven year, you get to go inward. It's
your year for inner growth. It's a year to take
a vision quest or do a spiritual uh personal growth
class or something that that feeds your inner being, your soul.

(01:30:36):
In an eight year this is great, Chris. It's all
about money, all about.

Speaker 5 (01:30:40):
So you're in an eight year business.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
Yeah, he has been talking about remember that business.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Interesting, I'm eight and an eight interesting okay, my name
number is six by the way.

Speaker 10 (01:30:57):
Oh interesting, okay, So you're all about home and family.
That's your heart, that's your heart's desire is being in
a good good relationships and good solid home. Not a
home body so much, but being bounded into into good
good friendships is really important to you. But that eight

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that's the year to start a business. Seriously, it's and
money comes and goes big time in an eight year
big time.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:31:29):
It flows in and out. But from my experience, it
flew it. Mine flowed out more than it flowed in.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
But I think we're all experiencing that.

Speaker 10 (01:31:38):
Yeah, well that was last year, right, So as an
eight year, make sure you stay balanced, Chris. And if
you're a six, that shouldn't be hard. Both those numbers
are real balance numbers. So it's really important to keep
that balance between your spiritual self and your material world, right,
But it is the eight energies, the excellent energy for entrepreneurship.

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It's a good year to do that. And then here
we are back in the nine year. I sort of
took over there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
That's great. No, that's such wonderful information. I'm glad you did.
I mean, I mean that's very complete, and it's very
helpful to kind of figure out, like what the master numbers.
What do you do when you get an eleven or
twenty two year? Do you count that or do you
just keep it as a either two or four?

Speaker 10 (01:32:24):
Well, see, that's the thing. This is the free will piece, right,
because we all have free will. So if that master
number feels like it's, excuse me, too intense for you,
and I've seen it. I've seen it in chart where no,
I this spiritual gift given to you, No, I'm not interested.

(01:32:46):
Then you reverts to eleven, would revert to two, a
twenty two would revert to four, or thirty three would
revert to six. Interesting, So the twenty two, now that's
an interesting thought. Chris, do you have any twenty twos
in your chart anywhere have you found those? Because that, yeah,
because that twenty two four means that there's a legacy

(01:33:11):
that you have to leave that that again you have
that spiritual infusion and higher vibration of the four, which
turns out to be a twenty two.

Speaker 5 (01:33:23):
My middle name is a twenty two?

Speaker 10 (01:33:25):
Is it there? It is right there, Susan, not with
the Z. But my original Susan name is an eleven
and Owens is a twenty two. So it's like, Okay,
I got responsibility and at least I feel that, and
like I said, other people choose out of that. So
you do have that twenty two there? Which what is
your business? Chris? I know that you're a.

Speaker 5 (01:33:48):
I'm just kind of stosy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
Yeah, I was a full time Anglican priest, but I
left the Anglican Church and became part of something of
the independent Catholic movement. But my business is really in
media influencing, influencing, not just politics. But you're not for profit.
It's trying to promote what I see is good, good ideas,

(01:34:13):
good businesses, to try and influence public opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:34:21):
That's the main business.

Speaker 10 (01:34:22):
Awesome, awesome, it's in the field is wide open. I
mean it's extraordinary. By the way. Side note, I just
got back from Australia for sorry I missed you true
oh my gosh, love the country.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
I my aim of confusing all Americans because I do,
in fact have an English accent so from I'm from
Manchester in England. So when I say it all the time,
because I see in the films and TV that Americans
get Australians and English people mixed up all the time,
we find it hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
It is hilarious.

Speaker 10 (01:34:57):
Actually I'm a dual national. Yeah, okay, for me, it's
more Kiwis and Aussies. That's where I get messed up.

Speaker 5 (01:35:03):
I think they sound so Kiwi, sound weird.

Speaker 10 (01:35:09):
I kind of wanted to correct them under English two
more than once. But anyway, that's anyway. I just want
to let you know that. So I don't remember where
we were.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
Somebody talk well, I mean, I'm a five and a
three year my birth is five. I don't know if
we covered. Have we covered? Maybe we should cover as
you did with the with the the current years. What
what can we look at it for like the birth years,
Like what does that intrinsically mean from one to nine.

Speaker 10 (01:35:37):
Oh okay, so what wait a minute, though, what you
ended up being a number one? What would your path?

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
My life path is five?

Speaker 10 (01:35:46):
You are at five? Live path?

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:35:49):
Oh interesting, I didn't remember you saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
I didn't. I didn't say it. It was first. I
just mentioned the year we're in, which is three. But
I'm actually a five.

Speaker 10 (01:36:01):
Okay, okay, this is okay. Three. Then fives get along
really well. And, by the way, a four and a
five together really good combination because fives have this insatiable curiosity.
They are driven by this desire for freedom and new
experiences and independence. They're incredibly adaptable, which fours aren't. By

(01:36:26):
the way. They love changed, they love expansion, freedom at
all costs, and avoiding any kind of routine, which is
also me by the way, and probably Brandon too. That's
why it's so hard for threes to get structure, to
sit down and write.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
I know it's a four. I'm all about routine.

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
I have a set way of doing things, and if
I get out of kilter, it's chaos.

Speaker 10 (01:36:56):
Totally. See, well, you can see what the conflict was
be It's.

Speaker 5 (01:37:00):
Like I feel like I feel like I'm both of
those things.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Okay, So, well, three of us get along.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
Because so I was a cop too before I was
a priest, and so I have that kind of sense
of duty and disciplit all the rest of it. But
also I have the sense of, oh, can I ever
sit down and finish this book? I have that too,
you know, I hear you.

Speaker 10 (01:37:25):
I totally hear. And that's where you need that eight
structure because it's pretty structured and manageable and and they've
got some they've got some routine in them too.

Speaker 5 (01:37:35):
But anyway, no, definitely I know it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
But yeah, yeah, need I need to connect that to
sitting down and getting the boring stuff done, which.

Speaker 5 (01:37:45):
Is harder, right.

Speaker 10 (01:37:46):
Well, and that's part of being in the business world too,
because you're motivated by money, right, our success, achievement, your achievements.

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
Yeah, yeah, money was a means to an end yet, right.

Speaker 10 (01:37:59):
Right, And so there's there's your there's your pathway into
into structure. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
It sounds like I've got the right business partner then
in that case, because.

Speaker 10 (01:38:10):
There but she can type it for you, right or
finish it. Okay, Okay, So interestingly, the fives have this
really wonderful magnetic personality. They're really attractive to people. People
are drawn to fights because they're usually pretty interesting, right,
I mean it's it's because they've hadn't they've had it,

(01:38:32):
They've they've had an interesting life. They like an interesting life.
They're adventuresome, have a tendency to be competitive and kind
of bold take risks. Usually fives are pretty good learners,
pretty quick learners, that's all true, okay, versus pretty versatile
and again, like I said, adaptable, but they're freedom seekers.

(01:38:54):
The other thing about fives is when you think about
the five senses, you know that fives want to see, touch, taste, here,
smell all of the world. Right, So they really wanted
to experience all the senses. And it's five is the
number of the addictive personality too. So that's what I

(01:39:15):
usually tell fives is, okay, just watch your addictions, whatever
they are, whether you know food or just change. I mean,
you can be addicted to pretty much anything. Fives are
also pretty inspirational leaders. They are. And the thing about
fives is they have a chance a tendency not to
stick to things they well because again they've got great

(01:39:38):
ideas and they'll see something new that's bright and shiny
and just take off and go for it, so that
five needs to learn the structure and the discipline too
to settle to actually complete something like the three.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
That's three.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
That's also very true. I mean, right or even right
down to said food. Food is definitely one of my
one of my ashes. I I I really do enjoy eating,
uh and and I don't do simple when it comes
to food. It's like, I just don't. It has to
be the craziest, most adventurous, most gourmet meal I can,

(01:40:13):
I can conjure up. And you know, my wife is
probably just fed up with the the sheer volume of
sophistication of of what goes on in the kitchen every night,
because I mean, I always make these elaborate gourmet meals,
regardless of whether or not there's a reason for it.
It's I do that from time to time, just not

(01:40:35):
very often, but it's all very true. And I would
I don't know if I would. I don't know if
I could call it an addiction, but I mean it's
definitely a It's a passion that I would not want
to do without. I agree, you know, I mean, can
I do without it? Well? I guess I could if
I had to. I just don't have to. But you know,
it's it's it's something that brings enjoyment and and some

(01:40:57):
I think I kind of use it as a distraction
because of the intensity of my life. I do live
a very intense life, extremely so, and having sort of
like little minor corporeal pleasures like that helped to get
the you know, you rebalance so you're not so always
indulging in that intensity and the stress that that causes.

(01:41:19):
So I think that's where it comes from, I think.
But you know, it was interesting you're just describing the
five because it was all very true to me, all
of it.

Speaker 10 (01:41:28):
Yeah, I love this stuff, I said, I don't you know.
It's the first time I get to meet all you guys,
which I'm loving, by the way, And I don't know you.
I just know what the numbers mean. And there is
a piece I have to say this too, because it
comes through sometimes almost every time, but there's a piece
of intuition that comes through that that fits. I did

(01:41:54):
a reading. This is weird. I did a reading for somebody.
She wanted me to do one for her mother and
I it was actually the only reading I've ever done
without meeting the person or talking to them. I just
read the numbers and it was loaded with There were
two or three places where she had a twenty two
in her chart, and I said, oh my gosh, this

(01:42:15):
woman is you know, she could do this and this
and this and this, and I did and I did
the reading. And the daughter called me after she saw
this and she said, you know, the reading was amazing.
And she said, but that's not my mom. She said,
that's not what my mom does. She said, I can
see that being my mom. But she said, my mom

(01:42:38):
just sits in the chair and gambles all the time.
And it's like, oh, you chose out. You chose out
of the four that twenty two four. You chose out
at doing that. So it's so there is an element
of meeting somebody and talking to them and getting the
energy of who they are. But literally everything I told

(01:43:00):
you about you is written down about you, guys, written
down somewhere. It's not like it didn't come through. I
didn't make it up.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
It's like a science to it. It's more almost more
science than art in a lot of ways.

Speaker 5 (01:43:15):
It connects it to the enneagram.

Speaker 10 (01:43:18):
You know, I'm I don't. I'm studied that, but.

Speaker 5 (01:43:22):
I mean I'm also.

Speaker 10 (01:43:27):
Yeah, but I think they're different, aren't they like they are? Yeah,
the numbers are different. But I have other friends that
are into enneagrams and they say a lot of the
same things. I don't know. This is my thing. I
love this, So this, this is the one that speaks
to me. And I've yeah, speaking of another book as

(01:43:49):
then as this one gets done and edited, I'm finished,
and I've got another one on relationships and which numbers
go get go best together. I think that'll be a
really fun one.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
I think what a lot of people want to get
out of Numero, and I'm kind of seeing it in
some of the chat comments and questions that have come
in so far, and also just in in my past
explorations talking with people about it. Is how that they
how they can you use these numbers to find, you know,
compatible places to live, jobs, to take ways to improve

(01:44:19):
their life. So what would be a methodology that you
could maybe describe that would help people to maybe do
a calculation then figure out if, like, for example, the
city they live in is the right place, so you
just take the name, is that it or would you
use the whole name in state. How would you how
would you do it? Go about going calculating and how
would you know what numbers are compatible with with yours?

Speaker 10 (01:44:42):
Excellent? Well let me let me okay, I'll start small.
All you do add what are the numbers of your
of your street or not even your street address, your
house number. Okay, Yeah, that'll tell you a lot about that.
I live in Courtelaine, Idaho, right by the way, which,
by the way, I love the South. I love to
visit this out. But everything you said I totally get.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:45:04):
Anyway, I'm in North Idaho. I'm in the Pacific Northwest.
And now, of course it would all be really nice
to you. We're all really laid back here.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Yeah, so I love that area.

Speaker 10 (01:45:13):
Yeah, it's lovely. Anyway. I live downtown and there's three
big buildings that are right next to me. There's one
building that the address is A four and I lived
in that building, and uh, they are so such the
rule followers. I'm not kidding. They don't like dogs. They
wouldn't even let a dog live overnight. And you know,
I mean there's strict rule followers. I didn't last long

(01:45:36):
in that house. And then another building it was a
three and creative, lots of fun. Another building totals of one,
and people aren't even they're friendly, but nobody really knows
each other, so it's all really independent. So your total
of your the number of your house will tell you
a lot. If it's an eight, sometimes that means it's

(01:45:58):
a good tarily or can cost you a lot. A
six is a really good house number because it's home.
That's the number of home family relationships. That's a really
good number. A two is a really good number for
a house. A one if you want to live alone,
pretty good independent. A seven is spiritual. I would put

(01:46:22):
it as might be a kind of a hermit house,
but spiritual growth would happen. And nine would be a
humanitarian kind of could be. A three would be a
great social house. And nine I would put it as
a lot of change, transformation in a nine.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
It was a five. Did you say five? That's what
I we have?

Speaker 16 (01:46:44):
We lived a five?

Speaker 10 (01:46:45):
Do you live in a five? A lot? How long
have you lived there?

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
A two? And almost three years?

Speaker 10 (01:46:50):
Okay, I would say that there's going to be transformation
in that in those years that you live there, and
it wouldn't be a forever home. I'd be surprised if
it it's.

Speaker 16 (01:46:59):
A forever home.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
That's interesting.

Speaker 10 (01:47:01):
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that. But but
not a bad number. I mean, I don't think there's
any numbers that are bad. There's no bad numbers as
far as that, but they mean something different, okay. So
as far as compatibility goes, there's lots of ways to
look at this. I talked to I did reading for

(01:47:22):
a woman the other day and she had ones all
over a chart. Now, one is independent, single, loving, you
know she is. I would I wouldn' could believe she
was married for forty years and her husband's a six.
Oh okay, he's going to be the one that's going
to handle the relationship so she can be the independent
single person that she is. So normally I wouldn't put

(01:47:43):
those two numbers together, but they've been a on. Your
wife's the one, okay, So and actually that works pretty
well one because you're independent, you're the doing the business
and all of that. You've got each got your own lives.
That's pretty much what one in an eight.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
But I would put a wife one two.

Speaker 10 (01:48:03):
I was going to put a five and a one together.
Absolutely put a five and a one together, and maybe
a seven. Now seven is the number of Again, I
did a couple of readings for that. I did a
reading for this couple and they were both sevens and
they've been married forever, and I thought, Okay, you understand

(01:48:24):
what a seven is. You understand that you each need
your own spiritual time that you've got to regenerate. That's
what a seven does. And actually fives and sevens can
work pretty well together. But two's and six is go
really well. Fours and eights go really well together. And
maybe a four and a five. I'm saying four and

(01:48:46):
a five is a really good relate friendship, not necessarily
marriage or whatever nine's can be. I would put a
six and a nine together. Maybe nines if they're not grounded,
If they don't have any grounded numbers, nines can kind
of just, I want to say, float around in the cosmos.

(01:49:07):
They look at the big picture. The nine's all about
humanitarian pursuits and following the Golden Rule, and it's a
very spiritual number. And again sometimes they have a hard
time being grounded. So that's a you know, it could

(01:49:29):
fit with a one as well, but anyway, so there
you go for a few relationships there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
Yeah, well I was also I don't remember who it
was that that told me this. It was a long
time ago, but I had had a conversation with a
professional numerologist about various things, and one of the things
she suggests, I'd like your opinion on this is that
if you live in a home that has a number

(01:49:54):
that you're not finding compatible with you, you can change
the energy by adding whatever number you want to change
it to. So let's say you know, I live in
a Let's say I live I live in a five.
I do, but let's say I want a six for
for whatever reason, you can put the number one above

(01:50:18):
your your your door, and it will shift the energy
from a five to a six. Do you agree with that?
Or is that like her? Was that her own kind
of thing?

Speaker 10 (01:50:28):
That sounds like bomb? I okay, well here, let me
let me tell you what I did. I told you
Susan s U s A N is my legal name.
I was born Susan that way. And the reason that
I put the Z in there is it's not it's
not legal, it's just my non di plume. But the
reason I added the Z is because Z is an eight.

(01:50:51):
Every letter in the alphabet is attached to a number,
and the letters H, Q and Z are a number. Eight. Well,
I didn't have an eight anywhere in my art anywhere,
and we already talked about it. It's the number of business, yeah,
money and all that, so entrepreneurship. So I put that
Susan and the Z in there, and it doesn't change

(01:51:12):
who I meant to be, but it does bring in
the energy of that aid that I didn't have interest.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, Well people change their name all
the time. Oh, I wasn't born Owens and so but
I've kept it for a lot of reasons. It's easier
and I don't want to mess with it, and I
like it. So there's there's that. But I know what

(01:51:36):
my birth numbers are, so I that's a that's that's
what I go by. But yeah, I brought in this
energy of Owens now I have that as long. It
just brings in more energy, more numbers into your life,
that's all. But so, yeah, I could say I would
agree with that. I would say, yeah, sure, you know,
hang on one above your door if you think that

(01:51:58):
won't mess up the mailman.

Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
Yeah, put on the inside.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
She said, she said, to put a small little number
on the inside above your door, and it will it
will change the energy to something that you would find
more conducive for whatever reason you wanted to and to
change it. Because I definitely have noticed that the places
that I've lived, and I think every the last five
houses have all been five different numbers, have all been very,

(01:52:24):
very different, you know, and they do absolutely correspond to
the qualities, the archetypic qualities of what those numbers represent,
and some of them have been rather toxic. This has
been an interesting place. I've never lived in a place
that I have thoroughly loved and thoroughly hated at the
same time. It's it's a very but I guess that

(01:52:48):
is kind of five like energy, is it, you know?
So it's it's strange because I do enjoy so much
of it, but it's it's got to it's got a
life of its own that can really try you after
a while.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
Mine mine's a mine's a three three. And I've been
fighting that property. I've been there two years, two and
a half years, and I've been fighting that property get
anything done. It's always a struggle, even though I love
it because it's seventeen acres of thick woods, and I've
got animals everywhere, and so do.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
You think it's because you're a four right and you
like structure and rules and threes more about growth and
breaking out? If you think that might be the conflict?

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
Maybe, As I said, the longer the more I mature,
the older I get, the more I'm like rules.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
You're gonna get what? Could it be the house that's
making you get feel that way? Though?

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
I hope, so hopefully we can.

Speaker 8 (01:53:40):
Come to a.

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
Number above your door.

Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
I might need to change mind.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
You've got more names than you know what to do
with that name. All right, let's take our our second
break here. We're talking with Susan Owens about numeral elogy,
and there's more to come. We'll also be taking some
of your questions from the chat. You can even call
into the show. Put that number up shortly, don't go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
I have flap.

Speaker 8 (01:55:09):
Back FA namely name.

Speaker 1 (01:58:26):
Follows two, Nada, Hannah, Hannah, let's name three to game

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to name.

Speaker 8 (01:59:48):
King follows.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
Its expect.

Speaker 13 (02:00:39):
Nothing, it's not it's not no, it's not no.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
It Welcome back everyone to the third and final hour
of Vestiges After Dark we are. We have been talking
with Susan Owens about numerology. Such a fascinating subject and
such a wonderful guest, so informative. Make sure you go
and get her book. It's on Amazon, and we also

(02:02:21):
put the link up there in the chat, Jamie, if
you could put it up there one more time, that'd
be great. If you have a question tonight, you can
ask it in the chat room on YouTube. My screen
is freezing up a bit. I'm getting a little bit
from Facebook for some reason, but YouTube is the one
that I'm able to see very clearly tonight. I don't
know what's the work wrong with the software, it's just
not working the way it normally does. So if you

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have a question, come into the YouTube chat. That's probably
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questions you might have. We'll do our best to answer them.
When we come back here, we'll be talking more with

(02:03:06):
Susan about numerology, and I think there's already a few
questions here that we need to get to as well,
So don't go anywhere. Okay, So before we jump right

(02:04:37):
back in here, Brandon, Jamie, Father, Chris, anybody see any
questions from the last hour that we'd like to, you know,
maybe get answered. I know, I saw one.

Speaker 5 (02:04:46):
Bought your self indulgence.

Speaker 3 (02:04:49):
Mystics had one thread.

Speaker 2 (02:04:52):
How evil of you, father.

Speaker 3 (02:04:56):
So if I'm reading this right, Mystic had her life
pas as a five and she's in her year cycle
five and she wants to know if there's anything significant
about the two fives.

Speaker 10 (02:05:07):
Uh, let's see. I think Chris, didn't you say you
are an eight and you're in an eight year?

Speaker 2 (02:05:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (02:05:14):
Yeah, So the significance, Mystic is that, uh, you've got
a lot of five vibration in your chart already, and
when you're in that same number year, it's a good year.
There's some years that can be challenging for Uh. For instance,

(02:05:37):
with you, Chris, I would say as an eight, it
a three might be a challenging year for you because
the three is all about just having a great time
and being creative and all this stuff. And you want
to do your business, You want to get your want
you to get your business focused. Uh, Mystic as a five,
and I would say that probably last year was a

(02:05:59):
challenge for you because that was a structure year, and
you don't want structure. You don't like structure. So in
that five year, the main thing that I would would
counsel you on is to enjoy it, to live the
freedom that you're wanting. That you're wanting, and that the
number is giving you the energy that you have to

(02:06:21):
be that freedom and be expansive. But just don't go
over the just to go off a deep end. Don't
just keep going. I have some five in my chart
too that says to me, I could just get on
a plane and just keep traveling. And of course that's
not the right thing to do. It's all about keeping
myself grounded, enjoying, and you can't go very high if

(02:06:44):
you're not grounded to begin with. So that's that's part
of it. So in other words, I really would focus
on enjoying that five year and using the all that
five energy, which means a leveling up. I look at
it like that, that that five year really means. It's
a level up. It's the middle of it's the middle

(02:07:09):
of the cycle like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight nine, So it's that middle one. That's all about
transformation and change. And again I just would say, don't
change for change sake. That would be a big part
of this five year for you resist the temptation to

(02:07:29):
get scattered because you're gonna have a lot of opportunities.
There are tons of opportunities in a five year, especially
for a five, and to stay flexible. But watch that
restlessness because I know a five can get pretty restless.

Speaker 2 (02:07:44):
Sometimes that's true.

Speaker 10 (02:07:48):
And also a five is not a balance number. When
I talked to Chris, I talk about balance because eight
is the balance number. I think about flipping that eight
on its side. You've got one side spirit to one
side material. That's that infinity symbol. It's balance, all about balance.
Five is not showing balance anywhere, but try to see

(02:08:09):
if you can maintain some balance and why you embrace
that freedom and expansion. And it's going to be a
fast year. It's going to be busy and like I said,
lots of opportunities coming. It's going to be fast paced.
And try to stay well. You already are adaptable. If
you're a five, you're already pretty adaptable. But it's going

(02:08:32):
to be it's going to be rapid changes and lots
and lots of surprises. So keep focused. I guess that's
the other thing I would say to you is try
to keep focused and all of that. Don't just left.
Don't do the whole pinball thing. Sometimes I feel like
my life's a pinball. I'm just pinging from all of
these things all over. No, there's going to be there's

(02:08:54):
a purpose to this expansion and change. So keep that
in the back of your mind, that all of this
that's happening this year, because like I said, there will
be a lot. Just remember there's a life lesson, there's
life lessons in this. There's not just life lessons, but

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things to learn, personal growth. There's lots of opportunities. So
the main thing is to know that when you're in
that life path, whatever it is, if it's the same
as your personal year, it's going to be a good year.
Lots of harmony in that, You're gonna have a lot
of good, good energy. They're not they don't conflict. Like

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like I said, a three and a four sometimes those
can be kind of a challenge, and a three and
a seven can be challenging because a three is a
social being. They like, they like to really enjoy life party,
Let's talk to people, let's let's communicate, and a seven
is pretty much likes their alone time and going inward.

(02:09:59):
So when you have a five life path and a
five personal year, it's pretty smooth sailing in that regard.
There's not a lot of conflict. Just don't get too
carried away, I'd be The thing I'd say is, don't
just let life carry you away.

Speaker 2 (02:10:14):
Interesting. Kaliko Benji or Calico Bene, I guess it's the
name there. Benji asks which number attracts money? Now, I'd
imagine that's dependent upon what your your own personal number
is correct or does it not matter?

Speaker 10 (02:10:35):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (02:10:36):
Eight?

Speaker 10 (02:10:36):
Eight's the number of money? It really eight? Eight is
the is the affluence achievement. Yes, it's out of all
of them. That's the number that financial and abundance. It's
the number of abundance. Let's just put it that way.

Speaker 2 (02:10:55):
Yeah, So how would he attract that number eight and
into his life? What would he need to do?

Speaker 10 (02:11:02):
Okay? What I did was I put a Z in
my name, so I got some energy in my name.
If if Calicole Benji doesn't have an h Q or
a Z in their name, that might that might help
him somehow. And then also there can be we haven't

(02:11:25):
really talked about that, but there are other numbers that
are calculated and that appear through different like pinnacles and challenges.
The way we add some numbers together, we get other
numbers that can appear in your chart. That's confusing, but
it's it's I can't go into detail. It's just too

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long to explain how to do it. But there are
other numbers in your chart. Maybe that calico Benji has
somehow so that might But if he's trying to attract abundance, Yeah,
put eight your address there you go, or really focus
on an eight, have an eight necklace, I mean there's yeah,

(02:12:06):
bring that age.

Speaker 2 (02:12:07):
Put put an eight in there, just a raw eight,
or put a number that calculates the entire thing.

Speaker 5 (02:12:13):
To an eight totally.

Speaker 10 (02:12:15):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a possibility. It's possible. There's an eight
somewhere and then the other thing. And this and I'd
say this to you too, Chris. It's and I've said
this to other eight, which is, if you're focused on
the money and making the money, it will come, because
it does. But the focusing on the bigger purpose, which

(02:12:38):
is being of service, right, which you do because you've
talked about what you wanted, what you want to do
this intellectual property, and you want to help and you
want to guide and you want to inform. That's where
the energy should be directed. And is being of service
as opposed to financial.

Speaker 4 (02:12:56):
Wealth is to be I wouldn't be motivates. It's an
accumulate money that's not meaningful, right exactly?

Speaker 10 (02:13:06):
You got that one right, Yeah, And I think that's
what I'd say to Caliko Benji too, is just focus
on a way of being of service that can generate
some abundance in your life.

Speaker 2 (02:13:17):
Okay, Moosh asks next question, do I need to look
at my birth certificate? Name only I was not named
until later. It only shows the name girl with my
dad's last name, which was Pfeiffer. However I grew up
without a father.

Speaker 10 (02:13:34):
Oh interesting, I love this. Okay, So here's the story. Uh,
this this guy and I honestly, the name doesn't matter
because he was his born and the hospital misspelled his
name on his birth certificate. Okay, and then a little

(02:13:57):
while later they discovered this mom went back into change it. Well,
there was a typo in the county office and they
messed it up again, so finally the third time. So
he has three birth certificates, right, Well, the correct one
was the original one that was was wrong, right because

(02:14:18):
the hospital messed it up. But that's the one that
most applied to his life. I also have a friend
that was an orphan when they were born, and his
birth certificate said baby bastard.

Speaker 6 (02:14:33):
Oh wow, oh geez wow, that used to be that
used to be on English proper word for you.

Speaker 10 (02:14:42):
Yeah, but imagine it fits. It's crazy, it fits, so
I would and in my book, I'm self but in my.

Speaker 2 (02:14:52):
Book, I give you the Wisdom of Numerology on Amazon,
keep uplugging your book now we're going to be doing Yeah,
we're all going to be buying.

Speaker 3 (02:15:02):
It at the cart right there you go.

Speaker 10 (02:15:07):
In the book, I give you the instructions to calculate
the numbers. That would be girl fifer And that would
be the one that I would say, absolutely to calculate
that and see if that applies to your life, because
I'll bet it does.

Speaker 2 (02:15:26):
So yeah, that's what I was about to actually even say,
if that was a valid suggestion, is to maybe do
all the calculations and see which one seems most relevant.

Speaker 10 (02:15:35):
Right, Definitely, yeah, but totally girl.

Speaker 2 (02:15:41):
So girl would be what it's probably going to be
the one moosh, if you try it out, that's probably
going to be see what it.

Speaker 10 (02:15:48):
Is, you know, Yeah, because that actually, let's see that's
nine seven rs and no two nines in that one
L is a three, so that it's eighteen and twenty eight,
so that would be a one. Girl would be a one.
So there's some independence in that one and five for
I don't know how to spell, but yeah, add it

(02:16:10):
together if that's just how it is, and then also
add do one for your current name now because that
like I said, those numbers, all numbers have energy, all
letters have energy, and so those that name is in
your life right now, and so there is that energy
in your life from what those numbers calculate?

Speaker 5 (02:16:33):
Can I just ask Susan, because I mean, I don't
want to say my date of birth live on YouTube.
There's an eight in the day, an eight in the month,
and an eight in the year of my name, and
the number eight has recurred so frequently.

Speaker 3 (02:16:50):
My life covered up in it.

Speaker 5 (02:16:53):
Yeah, it's kind of bizarre anyway, you know.

Speaker 10 (02:17:00):
Okay, So I have a friend that she has three names,
and when I look at her name. She has eleven
number ones in her name, and I think, oh, if
I'd known about numerology when she was born, I would
have counseled her mother. Don't ever do that to anybody.

(02:17:21):
But the thing that I would say to you is
to have all those eights. That is a heavy influence
of eight. Now. I don't see that as a bad
thing because I am very, very fond of eights, so
because I think that's really really good energy to have.

(02:17:43):
But you can get too much of a good thing, right,
So when you're thinking about having that extra multiple eight,
that really just means that you're excellent management and organizational skills.
I would say, there's stellar you're and you're a diligent worker.

(02:18:07):
I mean, I don't see you necessarily like not like
like I've talked, I've kind of dissed a lot of
force this time. But it's not like there's too much
structure because before the AID is more organizational than worker
be okay. The AID is is goal oriented and visionary, okay,

(02:18:31):
And that's really your foundation for your success. You have
an ability and I also think this is because of
your career too, but you have an ability to see
people as they truly are, what their strengths and what
their weaknesses are. I think, okay, making money is it's

(02:18:54):
a funny way to say it acceptable to you, but
it's not. It's not the end all be all right.
We already said that too, but that but it can
be to some aids and some ads and might go
over to the greedy side, you know, where it's all
about them and they just want to make money. And

(02:19:15):
that's that's what it is. That's that's that's how too
many eights can appear. I don't think that's you, but
that has that is clearly, uh a pattern. I think
that you already understand that there's more life than making money.
There's that's there's no question. And for you to have

(02:19:36):
that many aids, it would say, uh, there's a balance
in your life and that you have there's a harmony
and a balance between your spiritual side and your material side.
Which that's amazing. Okay, that's really interesting to me because
really that's truly what it is, spiritual and material and

(02:19:57):
look at your careers you can't get.

Speaker 12 (02:20:02):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:20:04):
Oh and the other thing I believe I haven't said
this yet, but eight is all about self mastery and
really understanding who you truly are as a human being
and being an authority. Now I didn't, I haven't and
now I started my online work last year in my
eight year and it was really all about launching and

(02:20:25):
being an entrepreneur and launching my online business, but really
stepping out and being an authority in numerology. I've done
it for years, but it was last year that I
chose in an eight year to publicly state that I'm
an authority in it into the world as opposed to

(02:20:47):
you know.

Speaker 4 (02:20:48):
That changes me because there's things I've held back on,
being claiming authorities, ship authority on that I'm probably about
you do.

Speaker 2 (02:21:02):
What about your what? What does your home number calculate
to father?

Speaker 5 (02:21:07):
It depends how you look at it.

Speaker 4 (02:21:09):
So we moved from a house that was eleven and
we're now in a two oh five five A two.

Speaker 2 (02:21:17):
Oh five, so you're seven.

Speaker 10 (02:21:20):
Yeah, okay, seven is the man, but we still own
the house that's eleven. So that's seven is a really
is the metaphysical number, that's the spiritual number. That's the
one that asked the big questions, who am I? What
are you doing here? So it's a really introspective number.
That's not a bad house number. Usually, like I said,

(02:21:42):
it kind of is the hermit number.

Speaker 5 (02:21:44):
But that does how it is.

Speaker 4 (02:21:47):
That is how it is for us because we're kind
of out there, out there where you know, there's a
lot going on, but this is where we hide.

Speaker 16 (02:21:57):
There you go.

Speaker 10 (02:21:58):
That fits. Yeah, definitely, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:22:05):
All right, Danielle and the chat asks do double stage
names impact your careers? So, like, for I guess actors
using a stage name or alias or something, how does
that does that change their career? Would they be more defined?
Would their career be more defined by the name they
take versus their birth name on the certificate or does

(02:22:27):
it not matter?

Speaker 12 (02:22:29):
Well?

Speaker 10 (02:22:30):
I think yeah, because I would say both because I
would look at your birth name first and I would
say this is this is truly who you are, who
you came in to be. Absolutely, I have my original
birth name, my birth last name is A thirty three six,

(02:22:52):
So I look at that, I hold on to that.
That's something. But having the Owens piece, m hmm, what
I want to say, It's kind of like I want
to say, a bowl of alphabet soup or what that's
cereal with all the alphabet I mean, it's all part
of the picture, it's all part of the puzzle. But

(02:23:14):
I still have your birth name carries more weight than
any name that you change into. Okay, just say it
that way.

Speaker 2 (02:23:22):
So the the the name tells you whom you are
and the birth year tells you about the life you live.
Is that the best way to explain it.

Speaker 10 (02:23:33):
Well, your life path, your birth date, is your your
gifts that you came in with your superpowers. So as
a three, I'm a writer. I know I'm a writer.
I didn't know I was. I wish i'd known when
I was a kid. I was a writer. I know
I like to write, but I didn't know I was.
I had an aptitude for it. So to me, it's

(02:23:55):
really important to know what, like what your gifts are. Okay, Jamie,
you know that you're structured. You know that, and you
can you can build on that. That's what That's what
I'm thinking, is like, Okay, if I if I knew that,
I was trying not to and not to get so
focused on one direction because force can do that too.

(02:24:18):
They can get hyper focused one way and then you
know with the blinders on or a lot of times
sports won't get out of their box. They like their box.

Speaker 3 (02:24:28):
It's comfortable in there also being a cancer I like,
I like. I like my comfortable, little cozy little box.

Speaker 10 (02:24:35):
Absolutely so, so there's there's and I can't remember why
we got on this tangent, but anyway, so I think
it's really important to look at look at all, look
at your life path and all the gifts that you

(02:24:56):
can that are available and open to you. What you
what you can, what you're born given, what your gifts are.
I'm not saying that you have to be that's strictly
what you're going to do, but it's nice to know.
It's nice to know that, Okay, you might you might
have an aptitude to be an actor or a singer

(02:25:17):
or a mystic, or you're a great caregiver, or you
have a huge humanitarian focus that could be a real
big part of your life, or you're or you've got
great management skills. So knowing that that's your life path,
that's your birth date from your birth name, we get

(02:25:38):
your destiny. We get what's your purpose in life? What
are you supposed to do here? And we we also
get what your sole number is. This sole number is
the inner you, and that comes from the vowels in
your name. We add up the vowels, all the letters
in your interest in all the vowels right, and that's
your heart's desire number. And then your personality from the consonants,

(02:26:01):
and that's your outer you. That's what you show other people.
And then there's another number that we get that's the
fifth core number. That's the maturity number. And that is
by adding your life path number and your destiny number.
So the two big numbers, we add those together and
we get a maturity number. And that maturity number kicks

(02:26:22):
in about thirty five because there are forty there's a
maturity that happens about that age in our lives. I
know we've all except for Brandon, I know we're all
past that. So you can remember there is an element
there isn't a leveling up and a maturity that happens.
And then so that number shows up about then. So
and then we look at the major cycles. We look

(02:26:44):
at what the different cycles that you have in your life.
We have pinnacles and challenges that we get from your birthday.
So there's a lot of information. Like I said, you
can calculate from your birthday loan and that's all I
got from you, guys, and I think I told you

(02:27:05):
quite a bit about who you are. But when we
finally get into your name, that tells you a little
bit more about it about you and not necessarily what
your future is, because we get the future from your
birth date as well. So for instance, the letter A
J and S A is a number the first letter, right,
J is the tenth letter, and S is the where

(02:27:30):
is it the nineteenth letter? And so those all reduced
to a one. So it's A J and S R one,
B K t R two, C l U is three,
you know, on and on on.

Speaker 2 (02:27:46):
I've been doing the calculations on my name here. I
think I did this right. So it looks like my
name is a six in the vowels. The soul number
is a three.

Speaker 10 (02:27:57):
Okay, So in your heart you're creative, okay. So that's
that's the that if that fits, and actually that works,
that that complements your five really well, because that tells
me that you've got that creative mind to come up
with some ideas and the five will run with them,

(02:28:19):
and that tends to do that. Yeah, And that six
offers you a little grounding because that says home family relationship.

Speaker 2 (02:28:33):
Yeah, that works very well. I mean, I'm also a
sun shun cancer, so you know, home and family is
kind of central to my identity as well, you know,
so it kind of reinforces on both levels the same reality.
To some degree, I do enjoy I mean, let's see,
that's the funny thing about me, because I do like

(02:28:54):
traveling and going out there and spontaneous. That five definitely
is active. But at the same time, I really enjoy
being home to.

Speaker 10 (02:29:03):
I have. Yeah, and that fits because I have a
my heart's desire, my soul numbers a three, and my
personality is a seven. So that kind of looks like, oh,
I love I have this passion for talking and being social,

(02:29:24):
and then I have this this personality that says I'm
a recluse so to speak. You know, I kind of
like my loone time, I'm a hermit, and it's not
like they conflict. There's sometimes I'm very much an extrovert
very much, and other times when I'm feeling like an introvert.
So there's a balance, right, I mean that there are
more times that you feel, you know, like you want

(02:29:46):
to be at home and other times when you.

Speaker 2 (02:29:47):
Just want to I am definitely a complete like split
down the middle. Depends on the day and the mood.
But there are times where I am absolutely an extrovert
and there's times where I am the most dreadful introvert
you could you could ever see. It just depends on
the day. Coffee helps a little bit, but not always.

Speaker 3 (02:30:09):
Yeah, Susan, I I have a question with the with
the consonants and vowels. So, like you do with your Z,
if you're trying to influence your sole number or whatever
the other number was, why can be used as both?
Would that? Would that work in this instance? If you
wanted to influence if you had a Y in your name,

(02:30:31):
could you use it that? That?

Speaker 10 (02:30:33):
Why has mystified numerologists.

Speaker 3 (02:30:35):
For because I have in my real name, I give
a name, I have a Y.

Speaker 10 (02:30:40):
Yeah okay, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Okay. So there's there's lots
of different schools on this, and I'll tell you what
I think. If it's a if it acts like a consonant,
it's a consonant. If it acts like a vowel, it's
a vowel. Okay, always just go that way.

Speaker 3 (02:30:59):
I'm a vow.

Speaker 10 (02:31:01):
Thank you. Oh okay. So like Lynn, for instance, that
would be your name. And I'm not saying that is Jamie.
I'm just saying it you have a Y is a vowel?
I is that what I do? Yeah, mine's a consonant easily.
But it's interesting because I had a numerologist look at
my chart and he ran it as a vowel, and

(02:31:23):
that changed so many things. Really, Yeah, it was really interesting,
and so I had to look at it and say, well,
which one fits me? And it's interesting because there are
times when it's like, well, I'm kind of doing the
vowel thing. Most of my life it's been a vow
a consonant, and every once in a while I think, oh,

(02:31:45):
maybe I'm headed towards the vowel.

Speaker 3 (02:31:47):
So that's so that's why I could be bipolars.

Speaker 10 (02:31:51):
My name.

Speaker 2 (02:31:52):
You know, it's like I ran it as a consonant,
but I guess, like when you when you look at
the other spelling of Brian b R, I a N,
it would be a vowel and that context, so it's evolved.
So I would have to run that as a voul,
so that would change it from a three. Let me
so that would be let me see very interesting.

Speaker 10 (02:32:10):
Well, why that's a seven. The number of the letter
why is a seven.

Speaker 2 (02:32:16):
Let me recalculate the entire name or the all the vowels.
I would be a nine, so that would make the
Brian an eighth, right, and then my middle limit, so
that would make that actually makes me a one soul number.
If we run the y as a vowel.

Speaker 10 (02:32:38):
And I'm a nine, you're a nine soul, okay, So
camanitarian at heart. Da. It's almost like we don't.

Speaker 12 (02:32:46):
Need to do.

Speaker 3 (02:32:49):
Let me hear.

Speaker 5 (02:32:53):
The same I did the UNDEAGRAMD. I'm like, yeah, it's
just that's Chris.

Speaker 10 (02:32:59):
Called. Oh my gosh, this guy. That's funny. I like that. Okay.
So you spell Brian b R, I a n b
R Y.

Speaker 2 (02:33:08):
I spell it b R Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:33:10):
Okay, something that's still is seven. Okay, so that changes that. Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:33:18):
If I'm calculating my whole name, first middle and last
just the vowels, I get a one.

Speaker 10 (02:33:26):
Okay. So yeah, you told me Brian was a six. Yeah,
that's what I got to. But then the whole Oh
so you're what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (02:33:34):
Is your vowels are the vowels come to a one?

Speaker 10 (02:33:39):
Okay, So that that tells me that you like your independence,
I do, and your leadership. You've got that in your soul,
in your heart. You really like. You like your independence,
and you like your leadership skills, and I like being
in charge.

Speaker 2 (02:33:54):
I'm a terrible employee, let's put it that way.

Speaker 10 (02:33:58):
I'm never going to employee ever.

Speaker 5 (02:34:00):
I'm a pretty crappy employee. Battle in John.

Speaker 10 (02:34:04):
Yes, that boats well for being in business too. Yeah.
I think too many businesses fail because they they run
them like they're an employee and they're not.

Speaker 2 (02:34:16):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 5 (02:34:18):
Yeah, Yeah, try Anglican churche.

Speaker 2 (02:34:25):
We didn't end Father.

Speaker 11 (02:34:28):
Father.

Speaker 2 (02:34:28):
We did not end up in the Independent sacra Movement
Sacramental movement in by accident. Let's just say that rebels Susan.
I don't know how familiar you are with the the
is M, but the Independent Sacramental Movement is pretty much
for people that were called to priesthood who just could

(02:34:49):
not deal with the politics of the larger church establishment.
So we, you know, we go into the the is
M and it gives us pretty much the freedom to
still be Catholic but not have to do with all
of the red tape and bureaucracy.

Speaker 5 (02:35:03):
To be very rude about it. I was sick of
working for beta males.

Speaker 2 (02:35:08):
Well there you go.

Speaker 10 (02:35:11):
Well that's a whole different picture than I ever had.
I interesting, that's fascinating. I have no idea about why we.

Speaker 2 (02:35:17):
Get we can get married, and it's why, you know,
we we can explore like some of the topics on
this show without you know, there being any kind of
conflict of interest, because we're not held by a leash,
you know, as it is. And that's what I couldn't
take when I was I was a seminary and in
the in the in the Roman Catholic Church many many

(02:35:38):
you know, years ago, and I felt like a dog
on a leash. And if you get on a line,
I mean, there was just it would not bode well
for you. And I guess it's the sole number, that
number one. I can't in the five. I can't deal
with that kind of stuff. I can't be restricted, and
I cannot be contained. My creativity is just too all

(02:35:59):
over the place for that. So in everything you've said
has been so true to my life story, because it's
like it makes perfect sensing. All these categories and how
they manifested were exactly the way you describe them. So
it's really interesting.

Speaker 6 (02:36:12):
So, Susan, I do have a question going back to
the house numbers, mine added up to eleven.

Speaker 10 (02:36:20):
There it is. Again, don't move. I'd say stay there
because that's where long you're eleven of your twenty nine.
Remember that your birthday is a twenty nine, which is
an eleven. Very spiritual, very spiritual house. A two is
a fabulous house number because it's balanced, its compatibility, its cooperation,

(02:36:47):
it's supportive, and having that eleven gives you that spiritual
influence as well. So it's a perfect house for you. Absolutely.
It fosters creativity, it's excellent.

Speaker 5 (02:37:05):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (02:37:05):
So my parents are divorced, and so the number I
gave you is for my dad's house, and I did
my mom's house and it's eleven.

Speaker 2 (02:37:16):
Oh I love it.

Speaker 16 (02:37:17):
I love it.

Speaker 10 (02:37:19):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (02:37:20):
So both are eleven.

Speaker 2 (02:37:21):
So Brandy, just live at home. It's going to be
a better situation. It doesn't matter which one you pick.
Just live it home. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 10 (02:37:38):
That's great. I'm in the nineteenth Chris, Yeah right, interesting, Yeah,
that's great. Okay. So there's your eides all right, Yeah,
and you're nine. No wonder you're doing what you're doing
because those nines are all about serving humanity. So as

(02:38:00):
that that's the number, right, absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (02:38:06):
Name my full name comes up to nine as well.

Speaker 10 (02:38:09):
Are you Oh really, Jimmy, you're.

Speaker 3 (02:38:11):
The Yeah, my full given name is it comes up
to a nine. Father, Chris and I were both police officers.

Speaker 10 (02:38:20):
Well, you're serving humanity in different ways, boy, I'll tell
you that. But that's what that is. And the thing
about that, because it's it's transitional, because then when you're
in that nine, when you have a nine energy wherever
it shows up, it means that. And I don't know
if in your realm if you have past lives, but

(02:38:45):
in mind we do. And what it means is in
this nine lifetime or number, that you use all the
other experiences you had one through eight in this experience.
So for instance, your life your name is a nine.

(02:39:05):
It's telling me that you are using your past h
life experiences as ones one's onto eight to experience this
nine this year. So nine is a transformational number. That
was the other piece of that nine. It's a significant
time for reflection and preparation for a new a new cycle,

(02:39:33):
a new experience, a new life. And the other thing
about that nine h it's nine's have to be able
to let go because nine is a lifetime usually of learning,
learning from loss, because nine usually means loss, because it's completion,

(02:39:55):
it's endings. Things disappear whether you want them to or not,
whether you're ready for them to or nine.

Speaker 3 (02:40:00):
Well, I retired four years ago from law enforcement for
twenty six years, and I did not want to, but
I was kind of forced to just because of the
some political things going on and then my health after
being in an accident. So yeah, it was very hard
to let go.

Speaker 10 (02:40:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:40:16):
Right.

Speaker 5 (02:40:17):
I was only able to let go of it because
I was going to be a priest. But you know,
that was that allowed me to be able.

Speaker 4 (02:40:26):
And even then, you know, I had a dilema of
do I do it full time or do both simultaneously,
which was possible back then.

Speaker 5 (02:40:34):
But I took the leap.

Speaker 2 (02:40:36):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (02:40:36):
Interesting, Yeah, that's and it isn't easy. Nine's are really
all about unconditional love and compassion and forgiveness. That's a
huge part of that nine. And you can go kicking
and screaming, or you can go you can adapt and surrender.

Speaker 3 (02:40:57):
Basically i'ment kicking and screaming, but I've learned to let
it happened. Let it happened. Now, So I got nines
all over my name?

Speaker 10 (02:41:06):
Yeah yeah, and that's really that's where that's that God,
That is life lessons through loss.

Speaker 3 (02:41:13):
Absolutely definitely.

Speaker 10 (02:41:15):
But the thing about nines too is that they have
these really high ideals. They follow the Golden rule, and
they don't understand why other people don't. I mean, right,
and I've got I've got nines in my chart too,
and I totally believe that. It's like, well, it's pretty
pretty obvious, pretty easy.

Speaker 2 (02:41:32):
I mean, Susan, what about phone numbers? Phone numbers kind
of take on a bit of our identity, don't they,
you know, particularly if you keep on for a very
long time. Does that have any influence about that? Yeah,
because I mean think about it.

Speaker 3 (02:41:44):
I mean, like my parents number, they've had that same
number for fifty years.

Speaker 2 (02:41:48):
Well, I mean particularly back in our day, you know,
where you remembered the phone number and kind of like yeah,
like now it's like no one remembers. I mean I
can I can barely remember my own the phone and
say the number, remember yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So does
that have any any bearing on anything you think?

Speaker 10 (02:42:11):
Okay, remember I was telling you. I saw some old movies.
This was a nineteen forties movie and this guy was
trying to get this woman's number, and she finally gave
it to him, and he said, well, I'm going to
have to counsel my numerologist and see if that's a
good number. That was in the nineteen forties.

Speaker 2 (02:42:28):
Wow, they really were into it back then, weren't they were?

Speaker 10 (02:42:31):
It's the great thing. Okay, anyway, Yes, mine's a three,
So you know there's there's something to that. And and
I know because I balanced, I bounced around a lot.
Remember years ago, if you changed carriers, you'd have to
get a new number. Yeah, yeah, you remember that. So
we had and this one I've had for gosh, I

(02:42:52):
don't know how long I've had this number, but it's
it stuck with me.

Speaker 2 (02:42:56):
What influence do you think it has over in your life?

Speaker 5 (02:43:01):
Like?

Speaker 2 (02:43:01):
What what does it actually influence? The phone number?

Speaker 10 (02:43:04):
Now that I have no idea, I really can't put it.
I couldn't put a name on that one because I
look at it as well, it's my communication to the
rest of the world. So I look at like a
three that that's more and three energy in my life,
which right now, I don't think that's a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (02:43:25):
Mine comes to a let's see one, it's a one.

Speaker 10 (02:43:31):
Yeah, that's a funny one. I like that house numbers too,
because that really everything I've done in my house numbers
is just so right on exactly what I did in
my house numbers. They just all fit because I've had well,
a lot of I've lived in a lot of different places.

Speaker 2 (02:43:50):
Yeah, me too, I've my gosh, I've lived in so
many different states. I couldn't even think of them all
right now. It's it's a large number. I moved around
quite a bit. I don't remember all these. Yeah, you
have to, right, you have to.

Speaker 10 (02:44:06):
Yeah, Well, if I could have, I would have stayed
in Australian and built a life there. I loved it
and that and that's pretty good. And then a few
a few years ago I would have been able to
do that. I'm more settled now in this time in
my life in Sydney.

Speaker 13 (02:44:22):
Uh Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:44:23):
And Adelaide.

Speaker 4 (02:44:24):
I like Adelaide and the Adelaide are a bit more
English in Adelaide sound different.

Speaker 10 (02:44:31):
Too, Yeah they do. I did hear that.

Speaker 2 (02:44:35):
It's the only.

Speaker 4 (02:44:35):
Distinctive accent in Australia and they will tell you it
was a it was a free colony.

Speaker 10 (02:44:41):
It was not.

Speaker 5 (02:44:42):
It was not a convict colony.

Speaker 2 (02:44:44):
So they were really not not.

Speaker 5 (02:44:46):
No convicts went to South Australia.

Speaker 4 (02:44:47):
It's the first thing I'll tell you if you meet
anybody from South Australia.

Speaker 2 (02:44:50):
The first thing free settlers. Oh that's funny.

Speaker 4 (02:44:55):
But of course I wasn't from a convict family either,
because I came here in twenty ten.

Speaker 5 (02:45:01):
So yeah, well I have to.

Speaker 10 (02:45:03):
Tell you my My uber driver was probably about one
hundred and twelve and he fantasied a historian. A historian, right,
So we had a long drive from the airport to
my hotel by the Opera House, and he told me
all about the convicts, right, he said, well, none of

(02:45:24):
them were in virtually bad because they're really bad ones.
They of course hunt.

Speaker 5 (02:45:28):
Yeah, yeah, they also they will tell you that things.
Let me tell you.

Speaker 10 (02:45:35):
So he was, he was, you know, kind of calming
my fears that you know, their forefathers were all.

Speaker 5 (02:45:40):
You know, accidentally murderous.

Speaker 16 (02:45:42):
That's true, that right, right, right?

Speaker 10 (02:45:45):
Anyway, so I thought that was and I thought, yeah, okay, whatever,
But I didn't know that Adelaide was convict.

Speaker 2 (02:45:52):
Fore Yeah, confecte.

Speaker 4 (02:45:55):
I'm amazed they didn't tell you as soon as you
got off the plane Adelaide. On the announcement on the plane,
heayy a Welsh and German settled in Adelaide.

Speaker 12 (02:46:09):
There you go.

Speaker 10 (02:46:10):
Oh really well, uh, I don't know about that either,
But anyway, no, I wanted to go north. I wanted
to see the Gold Coast, but the cyclone Alfred stopped
me from Ah.

Speaker 5 (02:46:23):
Yeah, it's nice of there.

Speaker 4 (02:46:25):
Next time, but next time you're gould have driven past
my house on your way to your hotel.

Speaker 5 (02:46:29):
So oh, I'm getting such well.

Speaker 10 (02:46:32):
The first time I was in Adelaide and Melbourne, I
was on a freighter. I traveled from New Zealand and
to Australia and then I was headed to Singapore and
to China on a freighter with Yeah, the story is
me and twenty five sailors went to China. So you're

(02:46:56):
going to have to have me back and I'll tell
you about my life travel.

Speaker 2 (02:47:00):
We would love to have you back on the show.

Speaker 10 (02:47:02):
Oh gosh, yes, but I've traveled all over the world
too and had I've got great, great stories about I
lived in Cairo, I lived in Egypt for a year.
Oh wow, traveled through Africa, drove myself through Namibia and
lived in France and in Nie. Yeah anyway, so yeah,
I loved We threes like to talk. You're not getting

(02:47:24):
worried in.

Speaker 3 (02:47:24):
Otherwise, Brandon's soaking up all. Brandon did have a question
earlier do we address he? He asked, why the eleven
is eleven and not two?

Speaker 10 (02:47:34):
Oh? Well, that's the master number. When you get good
question when you get two numbers that are identical together,
like eleven, twenty two, thirty three, forty four all the way,
those are master numbers and you don't reduce those. Okay, so.

Speaker 5 (02:47:57):
Someone's name is at eleven, then design to offering that.

Speaker 10 (02:48:02):
For an instance, because Brandon's birthday twenty nine is an eleven,
and that is an eleven. Is a spiritual messenger. That
means that they're here to I don't want to say
channel absorb information from a higher source and give it

(02:48:23):
to humanity to raise consciousness. That's it. In a nutshell,
what that eleven means. That sets And again you can
choose out of that. So you can if you if
it feels like it's too much responsibility, then you're a two.
That's easy to do a twenty two to four. So
that was what I was thinking, Jamie. If your four

(02:48:45):
ends up being a twenty two, for when you add
your numbers together, that twenty two four means that you
have a legacy to build because that four again is
the worker bee, right, But with that twenty two that
says a global scale, you got a legacy to leave
as a responsibility for humanity. And to calculate that, yeah, yeah,

(02:49:09):
calculate that and make sure it doesn't And the way
that you do that is, first of all, you can
add your birthdate together in two different ways. We didn't
even do this. You can reduce each number down, so like,
for instance, if your birthdate was today, what is today
three twenty five twenty five? So you could go three.

Speaker 5 (02:49:29):
You Americans put in the month first, and makes.

Speaker 3 (02:49:31):
Sense that.

Speaker 10 (02:49:35):
You Australians use anyway, so it would be three, and
then it would be twenty five. So two plus five
is seven, so three plus seven and then you would
make twenty twenty five and nine, so three plus seven
is ten and nine would be nineteen. One plus nine

(02:49:55):
is ten, which would be a one. So you can
do it that way, or you can three plus two
is five plus five is ten plus two is twelve
plus two is fourteen plus five is nineteen and then
I did mine. Yeah, okay, so do it both ways
because some there's some ways that will show up as

(02:50:18):
a master number. So I add them both ways when
I do them. Sure got to miss that master number
somehow in there.

Speaker 2 (02:50:27):
Master number. You got to look for it.

Speaker 10 (02:50:30):
Yeah, as a it gives you that higher vibration, a
spiritual vibration, and you guys are talking about that the
whole first hour, So.

Speaker 2 (02:50:44):
Yeah, absolutely, Well, I just want to say that it
has been fantastic having you on here. People are begging
for you to come back, Susan, So I think we
need to definitely schedule you on for another season. Definitely.
And you know, there's always no limit to what you
can talk about with stuff like this, you know, numerology

(02:51:05):
can just go on and on. But I'll have a
chance to read your book by the time next time
I talk with you, so that will be a good
thing too. I'll probably have a lot of questions.

Speaker 10 (02:51:14):
Well, and my new one will be out too by
again April twenty second, fingers crossed. You know your future,
know your superpowers, know your future?

Speaker 2 (02:51:22):
Okay, I'll be back.

Speaker 3 (02:51:23):
To talk about the new book.

Speaker 16 (02:51:25):
Yeah, definitely, Okay, I'm coming back for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:51:28):
Yeah, so awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:51:30):
Is there anything that anything else that you want to
share with the audience, contact websites, anything like that that
you would like to share. I mean, you're more than
welcome to Oh, thanks so much.

Speaker 10 (02:51:42):
Well, if you want a reading, check out my website
Wisdom and Numerology dot com. Also, I have a monthly newsletter.
I'm getting a weekly one put together two but if
you want we talked about personal years. Well, every month
I send you an update about what your what that

(02:52:03):
month means to you in your personal year. So let's see,
who is it? What did we talk about? You're in
a five year, somebody's.

Speaker 2 (02:52:12):
In a five year, five in a three year.

Speaker 10 (02:52:15):
I think that you're in a three year. Okay, So
for instance, if you're in a three year, then March
is a six month for you. You add the year
plus the month, and that means that this is your
home and family month. Take your wife out for dinner,
spend some time with your family big time, or and
then also do a home improvement project. So anyway, my

(02:52:37):
back to my newsletter. I send out a monthly newsletter
tell you what that month means to you within your
own personal year, and that's a freebe I'm happy to
do that. So sign up on my website and I'll
give you follow me on Facebook, YouTube, all of them.
I'm I'm there.

Speaker 2 (02:52:54):
Great, I mean, fantastic your website in the chat, Oh great,
thank you father, wonderful. So yeah, Brandon will well, we'll
reach out at some time. Uh well, we usually start
doing the the fall season around the end of summer,
so it'll be sometime in the summer that you'd probably

(02:53:16):
hear from us again. Make sure we put put Brandon
put her on for the for this coming fall. I
would like to have her back, you know, after I
had a chance to read the book but still be
fresh in my mind, and uh yeah, well, I'm sure
there'll be a whole lot of new topics to discuss
based on on what's in there. I'm just really excited

(02:53:37):
that somebody wrote a book that covers numerology the way
that you describe, because yeah, fascinating, I've been I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:53:45):
We're all gonna be sitting down in the middle of
the night tonight adding up our names, numbers, cats and dogs, birthdays.

Speaker 2 (02:53:52):
Well, yeah, you know, it always I think it makes
people well maybe math just makes people anxious, but I
think I think it just it has a little a
lot of mysticism around it. Yeah, that makes it almost
a little too esoteric for people to get into, and
it really isn't. And I think that hopefully tonight people
have seen how approachable it is as a subject and

(02:54:14):
as long as you have a good manual to interpret
and get familiar with what these numbers mean in the
different context, and you're all set to go. I just
haven't found a book that really did that well, as
as you said, yeah, well, that's the beauty of It's
like astrology in that sense, is that there's something very
tangible about that. It's like, you know, you can do

(02:54:34):
tarot cards and they're fascinating and I love them, but
it is an interpretive kind of.

Speaker 3 (02:54:40):
Thing and everything it's an equation, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:54:42):
Whereas when you're dealing with numerology, it's kind of it
just seems more exact in the sense that you're that
numbers your number, and then now you know what to
do with it, you know. It's like, I mean, I
guess there's still some interpretation there, but fascinating subject I
want to thank you for being on the show tonight, Susan,
and really it was it was such a pleasure having
you here.

Speaker 10 (02:55:03):
Thank you. I had so much fun and it's a
pleasure to meet all of you.

Speaker 3 (02:55:06):
I really as well.

Speaker 2 (02:55:07):
You're a deer. Yeah, it was great, it was absolutely great.

Speaker 5 (02:55:12):
I'm just sorry I didn't get to chase you before you.

Speaker 10 (02:55:16):
Well, I've got a couple of because I didn't see enough.

Speaker 5 (02:55:19):
I'll let you know, so you let me know.

Speaker 2 (02:55:24):
Yeah, there you go, there you go. Well, I just
want to thank you again, and I want to thank
all of you for joining us tonight on Vestiges after Dark.
It's this is what we do the show for, right,
It's fun. We always learn something new and we get
to meet wonderful guests like like Susan. So it's just
been a great, great night, and uh, there's more to come.

(02:55:46):
Next week we have another new guest. We're in fact
that new guests all this season long. So next week
we're going to have Jessica Taylor on to talk about
trauma and how it revealed to her various spiritual insights
that connected her to reincarnation and other healing and other

(02:56:09):
metaphysical insights, So we've never done a show quite like
that before. I think you're going to find it to
be quite enlightening yourself, just like this one was, and
just like all of them are. We try to keep
this show enjoyable, entertaining, but also educational at the same time.
So anyway, Father Chris, thank you, Brandon, thank you, Susan,

(02:56:30):
thank you so much, and Jamie thank you, and think
a big thank you to all of you who joined
us tonight. I think I got all your questions. If
I miss some, you know, ask them next week and
we'll do our best to put them down and remember
them for next time. But anyway, thank you, God blessed,
and I'll see you out there in the ether.

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