Valve's Steam Machine is Alive, Game Awards 2025 Nominees Announced # 470

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
You are listening to Video Games to the Max. Hello,
and welcome to another edition of Video Games to the Max.
I am your host Shauna Garmer here with me as
usual mister Mark Morrison, and well, this is a week
full of news here. The Game Award nominations for twenty

(00:34):
twenty five have come out today and Claire Obscurs Pedition
thirty three has twelve nominations by itself. We'll talk about
most of those award nominations. The Indie Game Award nomination
is also out and Claire Obscurers also.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
On that list. If an indie game.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well apparently it is, according to two different award folks.
Cruise also PlayStation has a lot of news here between
their financial reports and how many PlayStation fives, they've now
sold their Japan's Stay to play a few other things,

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and of course the big one, the Steve Machine, is
back and this time it might be here to stay.
We'll talk about all that and more right after this.
Oh right, well, we are coming to you live right
here on the W two and network YouTube channel, also

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on our Facebook page, also on our Twitch W two network,
kick W two Network all that stuff. So you know,
if work keeps being this way about the overtime schedule.
This will probably be our schedule for the time being,
around six thirty pm Eastern time. You can do your

(02:03):
equivalent over there on whichever side of the coast you
were on. Yeah, of course, Mark, you uh went to
another convention here.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, this was like a comic convention, like a local
and not even a local one. This is like two
hours away, so it kind of sucked. Uh Yeah, did
that anything interesting happening there? Yeah, I mean, look up
real quick. The reason I wanted to go there was
like a few people celebrities wanted to see the premier

(02:38):
primary one was uh Amy Joe Johnson. Do you know
remember her or do you know her?

Speaker 1 (02:43):
For Powers?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah? I saw like two or three years ago. She
signed like a big helmet I have powdering your helmet
kind of a little smeared. I don't had a drive
like enough. So I was hoping to see here again
and have her sign it, you know again, Yeah, which
would have been fine, you know, And like three days

(03:05):
before the event she canceled. I guess her grandmother passed away,
which is valid. I mean, I'm not gonna you know, well, definitely, yes,
I was actually I mean she's not a young woman.
She's uh, I think fifty four or fifty five. So
I was I was amazing. Your grandmother so alive, honestly, like, right, yeah,

(03:28):
I mean all my grandma I don't know about you.
I think you're I have one.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
I have one grandma so alive.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, but all my grandparents are dead.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I mean my grandpa passed, my mom's dad passed
like a year ago, and then my dad's side, they've
been gone for about ten years now.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Right, So she canceled unfortunately, but they did a very
quick replacement with Austin Saint John the Red Ranger. Yeah.
So I met him for a second. He signed my helmet.
He was kind of the main guy I wanted to see,
like a little bit like but the problem is, like
his line, he seemed to like talk to people. And

(04:12):
one woman he talked with for like damn near ten minutes,
and you need you need like a time limit on
that stuff where it's like come on, like.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Oh yeah with people winning in line he talked for
ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Well yeah, it's like, hey, wrap this up a little like,
you know, or you know, but he's a nice you know.
I didn't I didn't like stay that long or anything.
Channel Awsome is there that YouTube channel? Yeah. See, I
don't really know them at all, Like I've seen like
a few of their videos, but like I I know

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like the main guy, Doug Walker, but that's about it.
But he has a brother named Rob Walker, and I
know him a little because he was a guy and
I saw the Near Automotic concert with the Ends like
five years ago. He was there with us. He's from
with the Ends, so I wanted to say hi to
him real quick and you know, just say like hey,

(05:05):
EN's you know, says hi. And of course he wasn't there.
He dipped out. Uh, Peter Weller was there. Do you
know him? His name sounds rubocop. Okay, yeah, yeah, that

(05:25):
was another instance. So like he didn't talk to people,
but he had a pretty long line and he seemed
a little he's up there age wise. I mean I
think he's seventy five or eighty or you know, yeah
a little. Yeah, he's seventy eight, so he's a little
I wouldn't say doddering, but he was. I don't want
to hassle, you know, like this probably took a lot

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out of him. The other two the other guy I
wanted to see. Well, I saw. I didn't get anything
sign but I saw Billy Zane. Okay, yeah, I know
that is Yeah, it looks okay. He's pretty cool. But
the other guy, uh, a guy they had. I don't
know if I think it was like the suit actors
or some of them. They had some of the actress

(06:09):
from the teenage meeting into Turtles movies like the Old Ones,
the Good Ones. Yeah, like the first two, and they
had I didn't say anything hot say, but they had
like the guy who played Fedder in the first movie
and it's honest season like he he was like the
perennial bad guy. He's always like the bad guy and everything.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
But the other guy I wanted to see and I
did see. I did see him and talking to him
for a few minutes was uh Ted Ramie, uh Sam
Raimie's little brother. M hm anything mhm?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Has he done anything worth of?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah? I don't Well, he was in like the first
Evil Dead and Evil the two and Army Darkness. He's
in I don't know if you remember it, a TV
show called sequest DSV, like from way back in the day.
And he's in a bunch of other stuff, you know,
asked first Evil Dead. I mean, he he's primarily known

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for like you know him and his brother. I guess
he's also like Xena and Hercules and the funny thing
about him, like I only really bought like one to
autographed per person, but I waited it on for his
ass and he I totally good joke because I also
I had a I had him sign my Evil Dead
one and two steel book, and Bruce Campbell also signed

(07:30):
it like earlier this year. He signed like kind of
near the bottom, So I was like, oh, sign sign
your name above above his it chows how part of
the movie. And then I thought that I had I
did have my sequest Blu rays set there guys my
show to him, and like another guy he was like

(07:51):
when I got to his his booth, he wasn't there.
He was like at one or he was on a break.
So I waited like twenty minutes basically for him to
show up, and another guy came up up like ten
minutes later, and we're just kind of waiting together, and
he also had the sequest Blu ray set, so Ted
signed the Evil Dead one and then I was like,
oh yeah, I have this, like, I don't know how
much you've seen these, and he was like, yeah, the

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bunch of people can come up come up this like
more than anyone who has watched the show back in
the day. And he hated to sign it, and like
his clerk or you know, his attendant was like, oh,
he didn't he didn't pay for the second signature, and
even I said like, hey, you don't have to sign it,
like I just wanted to show it to you. He
just kind of ignored it and just signed it and

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then came it back to me. I'm all right, thanks,
that's good, I told the clerk OCAs I tried, like right,
and the other thing after the After that, I was
pretty dead, Like it's one of those things where I
didn't get a lot of sleep and it's a two
hour drive. Yeah, and I don't I don't have a
lot of like driving endurance per se. But there was

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like a few game stores I hit up, like on
the way, so as I started going home. One store
was kind of neat. It was kind of like it
was in like it wasn't like a house. It was
really weird. Okay, the first floor was like this game store,
but I had a second floor, and I assume that's
where the guy lived, and like it wasn't unique at all,

(09:18):
like it like the entire road had all these like
weird house stores on it, and I was like, is
that what they do here? Like that? That's like weird
to me. I was like, what does this? And I'd
like parking the road too, like I could, Like, I
was like, uh, and.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
It make it makes sense, you know, if you can't
do the double life there, like have it in the
same place. You don't have to go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, Like I couldn't see it like a staircase up,
but he's probably in the back or something, so I
probably has an apartment back there or something. And like
I assume it's like the like he's seeming the only
guy who like owned it or like you know, lived there.
So uh. But I hit up one uh like used
media store and I finally found a copy of the

(10:05):
dragon Ball DVD set like the whole series. Oh nice,
So I snatched that shit up instantly.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Did you only have like the vhs?

Speaker 2 (10:16):
No I have. I have never had any of it.
I saw like a few times as a kid, But
that was like the old like Ocean dub or like
that was like the really old one. Yeah, so yeah,
this is like the old ass. It's not dragon ball Z.
It's a dragon ball, so.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
It is okay dragon ball Okay.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Dramatically different. Yeah, so that'll be fun to watch eventually.
And from that, uh, I'm playing. I finished puzzle question
and I went back to playing Red Dead Redemption one.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Alright, fair enough, yep. I did play a little bit
of uh as we get Hey, he's a little bit early,
we haven't talked about it yet, but has a good
point about the what the Steam machine will cost. We'll
get to that in a little bit. Thank you Tim

(11:13):
for commenting there. Yeah, really quick. I did play the
first level of the Call of Duty co op campaign,
the Black Ops seven. I was playing it while I
was on lunch. Yeah, and then I found out that
you can't even positive to go to the bathroom because

(11:34):
it is always online and there is no way to
do an offline mode. So I stopped and uninstalled the
game because I will not ever be able to play
it like that.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
You don't you don't have like a five hour block
of free time ever.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, the only way I can play is if it
gets you know, in a situation where I'm able to
while I'm doing something else, or like right after to work,
if my girlfriend shows up late to pick me up,
or you know, something where I'm like staying up on purpose,
and like even then, you know, if for some reason

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I want to stop in the middle because I don't
feel like going through this whole mission and I want to,
you know, you can't even do the whole like leave
it on quick resoom and oh I can pick it
up again later.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
It's it's it just like a mission points kind of
like it's not just like.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, but I mean you don't know when that's triggering
and it's like still kind of stupid. It's it shouldn't
exist like that, like you know, so I can't I
can't comment on the whole like the stuff that I
keep seeing about like oh, it's it's too stupid or
too like dreamy and not based on reality and too

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crazy and it's.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Weird to keep doing this is like weird dreamshit in
these games like ever since like Black Ops too kind
of where like you were kind of mind controlled, like
Black Ops forwarded it right.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
And especially because this one continues like a story from
Black Ops two.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Uh was this was the same actor in Black Ops
two as well, or okay, so the.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Brothers older now, or it's a different guy, so.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay, fair enough. Of course I will always remember him
from This is Us.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
So I'm from here, so yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Too just it's been so long since I ever watched
I watched Heroes when it was originally airing, I never
watched it again, So yeah, I was still very heartbroken.
That was, like, I think, one of the first series
as a young adult that I picked up by myself
and then had to deal with the crushing blow of.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Else, you know, like so it sucks. Yeah, I have that.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
By the way, I also played The Egging on that
indie game that's on game Pass for a little bit.
It is pretty much what you expect. It is a
three D platformer where you're controlling the egg and it
is not easy to do. I still don't. I really
didn't really understand where I'm supposed to be going in

(14:24):
this en house, so what. I went around the entire
yard and found some cool little things and whatnot, but
I didn't necessarily find it that entertaining, so I like
exited out of it.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
That's the thing is they make all these really dumb
simulator games or like I Am Bred or that bea Day,
You're not like fun to play, Like the thing I
like that Miss Mersquito was actually kind of fun or
you know, interesting. But most of these games they just
have like there's a really weird and like obscure control

(14:59):
system and they think that's like content, and it's like
it's not like it's you here to make this interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I mean, I got the jumping part down kind of.
Mostly it's just more of just like I'm not really
understanding what I am supposed to be doing. Why this
is necessarily fun?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Right? Uh?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I guess if you really really love platformers, I could see,
like maybe Randy.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Perhaps, because there's many other one hundreds, if not thousands
of other good platformers out there. It's like, well, I
do spend your money on this or time on this?
You know? Right rights nose? Instead?

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, I really don't. So I I quickly got out
of that and I think I went. I meant to
go play Winterborough before we did the partodcast, but I
just couldn't. I was trying to get ready and prep
for the show and watch stuff, right, And that's the

(16:09):
one thing that work does allow me to do is
I'm able to like listen or watch things while I'm
doing my work. So you know, it does help me
at least be able to listen to news things and whatnot,
which is good. But yeah, so that's it for me
as far as playing games goes. But we got a
lot to talk about here, so might as well go ahead,

(16:33):
And I guess start with the biggest news here, which
if you're watching on video, it is our background here
or the thumbnail picture. The Valve just kind of like
randomly just announced in a video that hey, we're bringing

(16:56):
back the Steam machine. We also have a new Steam controller,
and we're also bringing in a new version of our
VR headset, uh, the Steam frame. And obviously, I mean, look,
we're not the two people that are best equipped to
talk about VR, so I'm not dismissing it. I understand

(17:17):
that there's a lot of people that like VR and
what competition in the space.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, I don't know about that, Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Okay, there are people. I just I'm just saying, I'm
not it's.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Not huge, it's not our topic. Let's say that.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
It's it's not a huge topic or whatnot. But I mean,
there are people I always see people that get upset
about how you're dismissing VR. It's bigger than you think whatever,
and it's like, look, it just it's not my thing.
I don't have the space for it where I live,

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so it's not something that's gonna work for me. If
it works for you.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
And you like it, then you know you have a headset.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
So oh I don't have the headset.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
I don't know. Didn't you didn't you have as I had.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
The PSVR one, but I traded that thing in exactly.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I know I'm not excited for the Steam frame, but
I mean like it looked okay, like.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
What do you think of the So they're having people
that have had hands on with but with all three
of these things, so it's not like this is something
that they just announced it and then everybody's just bringing
in their speculation on it. There are people that like
I g n Uh and gain Spot and some other
I think. I don't know if Digital Founder is time Bomb,

(18:47):
but I've heard mostly good things about the new team
controller Uh that it's at least a lot better than
the original one, which I mean doesn't say a lot
they like, but still like the fact that they have
improved it if it actually looks and feels like the

(19:07):
sticks are symmetrical, right, and even though some people want
the Offset ones or whatnot, but I like the Xbox
Ones more particularly. But it doesn't bother me, Like I
I'm so used to switching between both of them that

(19:29):
I don't It doesn't really, you know, bug me at all, right,
But I know some people they just like it really
is an issue for them. I don't, you know, it
is what it is on that. But I definitely think
that what's good about it is that, hey, if you're
going to have this Steam Machine, you know, good that

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they're coming out with their own controller and whatnot. And
now they've kind of made the trifecta here or the
the well, I guess the trifecta. You can now you know,
have the controller to use the people that want to
dock the Steam Machine the Steam deck, and then now
you can use it with your Steam Machine as well.

(20:11):
You can. It also has a Bluetooth, so if you
don't want to use the buy the Steam controller, you
can just.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Buy any any controller. Yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Can use your Xbox controller whatnot. So yep, the Steam
Machine is kind of probably the thing that mostly is
a big deal for most people. It's the thing that
kind of was cool for me. Like when I thought,
I was like, oh, okay, they are bringing this back.
And it's funny because it's almost ten years to the

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day of when they officially released the original ones. Of
course it was a third party and that was kind
of one of the problems was that they were kind
of all over the place as far as specs and
what they did and what you know, and also, uh,
but Linux wasn't as adapted for game at that point.
Right now, they have their proton layer that kind of

(21:03):
like takes away a lot of the bad stuff about
or the tough stuff about Linux. So you know, there's that.
You know, they still have to verify things, so they're
still games that don't work on it, namely the multiplayer
games that.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, like anti cheat.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, like Call of Duty Black, you know, Kaladdy Battlefield.
You have install Windows essentially for that to work. But
you know, what's up Cube, So they did, you know,
they announced the Steam Machine. They announced that it's gonna
be essentially a box that is six times more proferful
than the Steam Deck.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
The people that are doing like the like evaluations are
kind of saying that it's around the same specs as
like a PS five, right, so you know there's that
you essentially would have a sort of a console in
your living room, but it'll play you know, PC games
and games on Steam. It is a PC, so you

(22:09):
can just decide that you want to take out Linux
and sell Windows on it and just run Windows.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Games run worse.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, I have games run worse. But there's like, you know,
there's people that just don't want to use seem as
Layer for some reason or not. Uh yeah, what did
you think of I guess the announcement and are you
interested in this at all? And what do you think?
I guess it's the target audience for this.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
I think the scheme frame looks fine. I don't like
that controller much like this, well, like the top part
of the controller is fine, but the stupid like dual
touch his own things underneath, you know, the touch pads. Yeah,
it seemed bad.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Or I'm from the people that have been used it.
They say that it's much better than the truck pads
on the original controllers. So I mean it does feel
like you can go from up here to down here,
and it feels more natural than the ones that are
like way up here on the Steam deck at least.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know, right, I think the bigger problem is like
there's not a ton of games well at least with
the controller. Like they're like, oh, you can use the
controller for like non controller games, right, It's like what game? Like,
what are you going to use the controller with? It's
either going to be like really old games that won't

(23:35):
support it well, or you know, I mean they're like bootlegging.
They're bootstrapping the controller functionality on these like old games,
but it doesn't. It never works one hundred percent well.
And then also like even for newer games, there are
still some genres, there are still some you know, classes

(23:56):
of games that it's never going to work well with,
like RTS for example, it's gonna play go to with
this thing.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, you're you're definitely gonna still have to have the
you know, the mouse keyboard for that, yeah, part of
it if you want to use your to play your
strategy games or what not. But I mean, definitely, this
is a great like indie machine, right if.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
You're I'll talk about like the console in a second,
but a FRIS controller it just seems like a problem,
Like they're trying to solve for a problem that's already
been solved. Like if you just want a controller for
a PC, go buy an Xbox or go buy a
p S five one like those work fine, and those
sync up really well with games on Steam. You know, Yeah, you're.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Right about that. I mean it pretty much tells like
you when you probably any game on Steam, it'll tell
you what controller you can use for it.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
And you know, as far as as far as the
Steam machine itself, I'm a little more skeptical on it, Uh,
for a few reasons. One is it didn't I still
don't think that's the price.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
No, they did not.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, I think this is going to be more expensive
than you might imagine. I saw like Kataku. I don't
know if it's Kataku or it's some speculation that's like, oh,
it's gonna be four hundred dollars. I'm like, no, not way,
it's going to be four hundred dollars. Like you got
like that is.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
I mean they could if there is one company that
could do it, because they make so much money off
of every game that gets sold on Steam, they could
because I think they did that with the Steam Deck
originally as well.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Like, yeah, but then I can do that especially, but.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Obviously that was much different times that we were living in.
We don't have we didn't have tariffs of the size
that we do now, and we didn't have like the
d ram ridiculous increase and AI chewing up all the stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
That storage yeah storage yeah, yeah, so yeah h And
also like if it like they're like, oh, it's gonna
be uh you know, four K sixty fps gameplay.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
With FSR helping a lot.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, but it's a yo dog a PS five like,
and if it's the same comparative power as a PS five,
it's like the PS five can't do that.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
And right, that's why it has the caveat of FSR
is gonna do a lot of work. So that's the
thing is, don't expect your games to look any better
than they would perhaps a little bit less weaker than they.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Will, or they will play like funky or you know,
could adds it adds like wag. So right, and you're.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Gonna still have to tinker, Right, You're still gonna have
to mess with the settings in order to get the best,
not as much as you would on a regular PC. Right,
but you're still gonna have to tinker some.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
At least it's like a PC, like you have more
granular control, and it's a lot initially it's a lot
more like harder to dial in settings. But also like
with the PC, you can upgrade it eventually if you
need to, or yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
You can upgrade the RAM in this thing. You can
upgrade the memory the storage also, So just to run
through some of this really quick, it's just it's a
semi custom and d Zen four CPU with six cores
and it goes up to four point a gigaherts. I

(27:32):
had the GPU with an rDNA three two point four
five gigaherts max sustained clock. It has sixteen gigabytes of
DDR five and eight gigs of g d d R
six v RAM, which I've heard a lot of people
complaining about. The v RAM is nowhere near as powerful
as it should be for something that's coming out six

(27:53):
years after the PS five Right Series X. There's two
models of a five to twelve gigabyte MVM me SSD
and a two terr abyte MVM me SSD. You can
also just upgrade it with a micro SD card slot.
We don't know which ones are compatible with it yet,

(28:16):
so just be aware of that for now.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I'm sure most well, or at least the most current one.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
You know, Tim brought up that he thinks the five
to twelve will be somewhere between five fifty and six
hundred and two. Terrible will be seven fifty with I
was going to bring this up as well, Half Live
three being announced at some point, and it will be
included if you buy the system. I don't know about that,
but that yeah, I mean, I could see them and

(28:46):
make a bundle where that game is included, but I mean,
does it really matter point? So, I don't think they're
going to give away the game, like you know, I
think you'll you'll pay maybe at least you know, you'll
pay like what thirty at least thirty dollars for it
if you buy the bundle. You know, maybe they'll cut

(29:08):
a little bit off, but not not the whole game.
That's right around where I'm going with the price. They
did say that they're not competing with consoles as far
as prices, but considering both the PS five and especially
the Series X has gone up in price since the tariffs,
that doesn't really isn't that isn't really saying much, but

(29:29):
that they're coer beating with PCs as far as price,
not consoles, So don't expect a console type price, is
what I guess. Linus Tectips said, and a few other
folks have said. I do see like a lot of
the people that I've seen, like I've seen a bunch
of breakdowns of the machine. Yeah, and a lot of

(29:50):
the people that we're talking about it are kind of
going in that range of like if it's five hundred
for the five to twelve, you got a deal, but
probably expect around six hundred. Uh, and then that would
leave the two terrorbyte to be around seven to eight hundred,

(30:12):
depending on what they do.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I think I think six hundred for the base modeling
and a hundred for the premium one, and then the
premium one will have like a special steam skin or
like profile avatar some whatever.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I mean, you can mess you can't take out the
front face plate and put different things on there if
you want.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
I think it's like led strip light is like really
lame or like.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I mean that's fine, Like it's it's kind of cool
to like show you the like you're doing a download. Yeah, right,
So I mean there's that. Uh. I think the bigger
question is how big do you think this is going
to get? Do you think this gets up to like

(31:00):
steam Deck levels of penetration into the living room for
people that are looking for a easy way to get
into PC gaming, that not having to buy a PC
and love that around to your TV? Or do you
think this is even more niche than the steam Deck?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I think it's a lot more niche because I don't
think most people even now I don't want to hook
up a PC to like this, you know, a TV
like in their living room.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Right, But this is a small form factor. You look
at it and you go, okay, I just the powersples
inside the consoles, so you don't have this big bridth
that you're having a look.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I realize that, but it's still like a level like
compared to like a p S five or an Xbox
kind of like the UI, and this thing is going
to be like that, like a lot more complicated for
this like the normal the normal person ye before him.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, Lenux is not a plug and play type.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Right, And then I mean they're trying to put it
and this is like, oh no it is or you know,
like but no, not for like for like people.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, and then you're gonna have to figure out, uh a,
you have to go online and try to figure out
how to install Windows if you don't know how to
do that on your PC already. So that's something else
that you're gonna have to spend time doing when you
first get the system, if you want to install Windows
on it at all. But once you get past that, right,
then it works like Steane does in general, is you

(32:29):
just turn Steam on, you install the game you want
to install, and then it will do a lot of
the bad That's the nice thing about the proton Layer.
It does a lot of that back end work, so
you don't have to sit there and go, oh, which
driver do I need to install? Which little which thing
does it need? It already detects it and you can
you know. Yeah, but it is not just turn on,

(32:52):
press the button and go right. But I do think
that as we keep evolving with PC gaming, I think
more and more people are kind of getting into that, like, oh,
I need to have a base understanding of this stuff, right.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I mean, you asked when this is announced, like last week,
you asked me like, would this be a good alternative
or would this be a good option for me, And
I was like, not really, because he's you know, you're
gonna have to It's going to require a lot more
tinkering than even like a regular PC to get stuff
working the way you'd want it to. Let's say, yeah,
uh so, I think I And the other thing is,

(33:31):
like most PC gamers like they have their room or
they have like their own desk set up.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Or well, you already have your PC, right, you're yeah.
I think the only people that this applies to is
somebody that does not have Okay, somebody like me that
has a really old laptop that, depending on what this
is priced at, I don't have twelve or more right

(33:58):
now for a brand new laptop. But I want to play.
You know, I love indies. I love those kind of
games that are a lot of them are only on
Steam when they first release, or they never go to consoles, right,
you know, and you can take advantage of the sales
and whatnot. And oh, all I have to do is
plug this in, boot it up. I have to figure

(34:21):
out how to do stuff on it, right, but eventually
I will get to get it to run like my
laptop does right now Steam, And I do see a
use case for that. But like you said, I think
it's very Niese. I do think that it as much
as Phil Spencer tried to like not even acknowledge that

(34:42):
part of it and just kind of come out and
be like, oh, raw, raw, Great that more open systems,
and great that we have another player in the market.
Which that's true, right, that that's good that that's there.
But I I I do think that it kind of
messages with Xboxes play a little bit because we don't

(35:05):
know how many skews they were planning to make, right, right,
were they planning to make an Xbox Series S type skew?
And then now Steam has come in and said, oh no,
we're going to be the bottom tier, so you're going
to have to at least, you know, put one at
our level.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
There's an easy solution to that. Though Microsoft buys bunches, machines,
chios was out, the Valve branding puts on, puts a
Microsoft stamp on it, and leases themselves.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I guess they could do that as well.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
It's really funny, No, No, I think it's really funny
that Valve is such a disruptor or, you know, in
the piece of marketplace kind of historically speaking, and they're
only born out of uh Gabe and like a few
people trying to get the hot on Microsoft. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
For them for wanting to make sure that they stay
at the top of the PC market, right, because now
could just keep doing their thing and be like, Okay,
we did the Steam Deck, we don't need to bring
We did the steam Machine before it sucked, we don't
need to do this again. But like the fact that
they like already had this in the works and got
this out there before Xbox even got close to announcing

(36:30):
this thing. I do wonder if if Phil and everybody
else had an idea this was coming at all, or
you know, if this is a total surprise for everybody.
I have to imagine he kind of need something with
as much as they kind of like seemingly talk to
each other and work together or whatnot, I think that

(36:53):
he probably knew something. But either way, it doesn't you
don't really know everything about it until that she comes out, right,
and even then, like you know, that's the thing is
how much does Valve care about how well this is priced?
You know, they could really undercut everything and make it

(37:14):
really cheap if they wanted to. They could make it
much more expensive than we think, right, and make it
eight hundred to a thousand, which at that point, I
think if you do that, you're very much setting yourself
up for Xbox to come and get kill that, because

(37:36):
if you make it close to one thousand, which is
what the Xbox one is, is like, that's the lowest
that t board thinking it could be. That's not going
to help you. That's where I think that you're definitely
I will be surprised if it's anything over six hundred
for the five to twelve. I honestly wouldn't be surprised

(37:59):
if it's like around they take a little bit of
a hit and do five hundred for the five to twelve,
and then you know, whatever they want to do with
that two terrorbyted if they try to add some stuff
in there to make it up to eight hundred for that,
which at that point, if you're going to buy a
micro SD card and all that stuff, you might as
well just get the two terror by because you're gonna
end up paying at least another one hundred dollars or

(38:20):
whatever to get another.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Well, you know they do, honestly, Yeah, when they released
this thing for like the cheap model. They should include
include like a fifty dollars team gift card. I would
agree with expensive one, like one hundred dollars one. You
know be like, hey, try some games or you know,
like pack in a game or you know, we can't.
I mean, for as munch of people say halfway three

(38:45):
is going to happen or whatever, like no, like I was.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Going to bring that up. Do you think there's a
rumor that in the store, you know, Valve has there
are games listed, and there's a space that's open that
doesn't have an actual listing for a game, but there's
an extra spot, and so people are speculating that because
of that, that means that half Life three is there,
but they just haven't announced it, that this is not
the only one. Right, there's been a I think it's

(39:10):
a Tyler McVicker or something. He's he's kind of like
the leaker that's been saying that there is a Half
Life three in development, that there's a trailer that's being made,
that all this stuff right that they it's kind of
like there, we're just waiting for them to actually announce it.
Would they give U That would be a huge coupe

(39:30):
for for Jeff. If if he does get to announce
that there talk about that could be a show ender.
If there is a half Life three, yeah, you know,
you don't think it'll get it. You don't think it'll
get announced at all. You don't think there's a half
Life three invelvement at all.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
I mean, no, no imagined it'll be half Life Alex two. Mmm.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
I mean I know that that thing sold a lot
of a lot of VR headsets or whatever, but I
don't know. I just feel like people have been waiting
so long for the half Flay three. If there was
a moment where you could package this with the Steam Machine,
even though you don't need the steam Machine at all
to play this, you could play it on whatever PC

(40:16):
you want. I mean, what a way to sell your
thing is go, oh yeah half Flay three day one.
Whenever this launches, you know, that would.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Be great for Halfway three episode one as.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, it's fossible, It's fossible for sure. Look, I definitely
think that it's a good idea. I don't think it's
gonna be this huge player.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I mean, yeah. The other reason it's a little more
niche is I think the steam deck, like the switch,
is a lot more of an approachable or you know,
you like the portability to switch. A lot of people
do I feel like playing a game in bed or something,
and you can't do that as easily with this thing,
you know.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
I mean it is small enough, even though it's funny
because see we're calling it the game cube, right, and
it doesn't have to handle at the GameCube.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Like if it's something to get a controller, you know,
that's right.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
But I mean most people have controllers at this point, right,
Like you have a PlayStation four or five control. You
have an Xbox controller for something, right, even if it's
you use it for your laptop. You can you have that,
you know. So yeah, but I mean it is something
that you could take with you, and it doesn't it's
not like this behemith of a computer that you're taking

(41:45):
with you or a laptop or or one of the consoles.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
It is something small enough you could uh, you know,
take with you in a bag or whatnot to to
somebody's house or to a hotel or if the Wi
Fi works well enough, I guess, right, Yeah, So, I
mean I think it's a great idea. I think I'm
very excited to see what it does. For the market.
What if Xbox pivots on this at all, or what

(42:09):
what happens with them. I don't really think this affects
Sony that much. I saw, you know, some folks speculating about, oh,
does this make it to where Sonny will stop releasing
games on PC? No, because this is just another way
for Sony to make money. They're not this may make

(42:30):
them not push the day you know, the people that
were thinking about them doing day and date. If this
takes off, I don't know what they're going to do
day and date any faster, because then that could be
who people to, you know, maybe pick this up and
not buy a PS five, But who doesn't have a
PS five at this point?

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Really?

Speaker 1 (42:54):
You know, it could move it that way, but I
don't think they're going to go backwards and not all
of a sudden not make they're releasing the thing on
PC like a year later. At that point, who cares, right,
you know, nobody is. If you're willing to wait a
whole year and you already have a PS five and
you bought this as an additional thing, I mean, that's
on you. But I don't think that that's gonna change

(43:16):
with the PS six where all of a sudden they're
going to release every single game day and day because
then they know, Okay, for sure, I don't need to
buy the PlayStation six because I can just buy a
PC or whatever and play it on there. So you know,
I don't think this will be I think for Sony
this is just another way to make money. And if
this thing takes off, oh I can I can uh

(43:38):
play this game in my PC? Or Sony Willy does
that whole you know cross by thing where you know,
you you bought it on PS five and you win
it on PC. Oh great, I can play it down
here too. So yeah, I think this is a win
win for for Sony on that front. We'll have to
see at this how much this affects Xbox if they
now have to come out with a you know, a

(43:59):
skew that is that at that same level or not.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
It'd be really funny if there's like the Pirate Bay
or someone that's released like some Bootlegger Linux format, or
it's like, oh, don't let any game want for free.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah. I also wonder if this will eventually be come
to where like you can build your own Steam machine
uh with black parts, right, Like you would if you were.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
That's called the PC No, but I mean.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Like in the form factor. But you'll put whatever you know,
parts you want on the inside and they'll they'll build
it for you. But then obviously you have to pay
whatever that prices. So yeah, yeah, gonna be gonna be
interesting times whenever this does released in twenty twenty six.
At some point, Uh, you have to wonder if Gabe

(44:49):
was already counting uh that announcement with Hey, he knows
he's gonna make some more money, so he already bought
himself another yacht, the Levyah, in which you know Gabe
is it's like supposed to be worth like ten billion dollars,
and this dude loves to be on yachts, so him

(45:10):
buying another yacht ain't no big deal. It's the fiftieth
largest lot in the world. Apparently he also.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Is it's a small one.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah. So they apparently already worked with this company, Oceaniko
that made the yacht, so you know, maybe he got
a deal on that whatever, but who cares, Right, he
makes money, likes yachts. Spend your money, dude, spend that money.
Don't blame him at all, but he is he's definitely

(45:41):
he knows what he's doing. He made that announced that
he went and bought him stuff, a yacht. He's like,
I'm good. Life keeps on going there. But yeah, just
to throw it back to the Sony thing, there's a
lot of PlayStation stuff this week with their you know,
finances coming out and then announcings and things. They didn't

(46:02):
announce the Push and Plus Extra and Premium. They'd already
said that the granted Thought of five was gonna be
after the delay that we talked about last week. They
had already kind of a rock started, already announced that
it was going to come back to PS plus. It's
on that Game Pass as well, but also on their
specific Drive which is also on game Pass. Still wakes
the deep as on game Pass as well. You get

(46:26):
the Tallas Principal two, which is a pretty good game,
Thank Goodness You're here, which is a great game. If
you haven't played that, you definitely should, Moto GP twenty five,
Monster Jam all that, and then on the premium side
you get two or Anniversary. So you haven't played that yet,
I guess there you go. I did mention that place.

(46:48):
You know, who doesn't own a place in five At
this point, Sonya's reported that they now have sold through
eighty four point two million units, which is still too
behind the PS four at the same time, but still
crazy amounts. And it has sold more than the three
sixty did in its entire lifetime, and obviously that means

(47:11):
more than their Spots one and Serious SNX as well.
We don't know how much that is for the placement
by pro Sony hasn't revealed any of those numbers. Ghost
of Yote is also sold up three point three million copies,
which you know, those folks that are sitting there talking about, oh,
it's a failure, yeah, well gaming, yeah, stick it up.

(47:36):
The win five there with that, The people that are
sitting there like that, they make it their lives mission
to try to prove that the game didn't so well, Like,
come on, guys, enough of that already. It's and it's
gonna keep selling. It's only been we haven't even hit
the holiday season yet. People haven't bought it yet. They
will buy it then, and who knows what it's going
to have, like a little bit of Black Friday sale

(47:58):
or not, so that might and push more.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I imagine.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
So also the CFO, the CFO of PlayStation Lin Taw
also said that the question five is in the middle
of its journey where people are where they're already talking
about Plation six, Buttion five is in the middle of
its journey, So you would imagine that that means till

(48:23):
around twenty thirty one, twenty thirty two, we're still gonna
get PlayStation five games well after the PS six has released.
If it still hits that target window of twenty twenty seven,
that seem okay with you. You're you're good with that.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, I'm actually fine. I don't think the PS five
like technology has been. It's not like squeezing blood out
of the rock or anything like. I don't think it's
Some games are approaching it, but some most aren't, and
it's still it's still fine.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, we've gotten to the point where, like, you know,
graphics are at a certain state where, yeah, so a
lot of things come out mess up nowadays, and they
have to do the patches and all that stuff, but
eventually they get it to a point where the game
runs fine, right, And I don't think we're going to

(49:17):
as we talked about last week, like it's gonna be
AI and race Racing and those kind of things that
are gonna push the PS six. Is that really gonna
make those games unplayable for the PS five? Probably not,
you know, it's that whole like, okay, you just you
turn it down and get it to work on there,

(49:39):
and we'll see if that pushes less people to buy
the PS six for a while as they stay with
their PS five, as we're seeing that there's still like
twenty thirty million people playing their PS fours. So but
we know why they're doing that. It's mostly because of

(49:59):
the free to play and those forever games that they're
still playing on those systems, so they don't really need
to move. But they also did announce that like PS
five players play like double the games of the PS
four players, so you know, take that for what it's worth.

(50:20):
But I think that also means that like more PSCI
players are buying more games because the PS four players
are kind of displaying those same games you know, that
they play. They did do the Sony Japan State of Play.
A lot of the stuff they announced was kind of

(50:41):
all right. They did announce more hardware, a gaming monitor
at twenty seven inch quad high definition IPS display game monitor.
It goes up to fourteen point EP. It does have HDR,
it does have VRR. It can do one hundred and

(51:01):
twenty hertz on PS five, two hundred and forty herts
on PC. It is going to be US and Japan only.
Any thoughts on them doing their own game in all
this stuff for PC?

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah, it's a this just for the PC market, But
I'm just like they PC players already have better screens
or you know, like it just seemed like a really
weird thing to do.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
So, like you that doesn't have like the latest TV
or whatever, you wouldn't think about getting this.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
I was just gonna say, like, it's it's probably more
up my alley because it's a I gets. They said
it's twenty seven inches. It's about like the size of
my TV. Like, I can't put anything bigger in my room,
Like I can't put some seventy five inches four K display,
you know display in my room. I just want a
room for it. My room is to sign for it
at all. Even my living room could barely hold it,

(51:56):
you know, right, So if my TV ever went, I
mean I would already have one backup, but like this
would probably be a decent alternative for me. But I'm
in the like extreme minority. Yeah, and you probab they are.
It also doesn't have all the ports that would need
like I would want. You know, it has htm I obviously,

(52:17):
but it doesn't have component or composite or an RF
box or you know, adapter. So yeah, that's that's all problems.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Anything from that state of play that interested you or.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I think that PSI Japan only models kind of kind
of funny.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yeah, I mean internally the same thing. It makes sense
because you know, we did hear Capcom complain about how
the you know, PlayStation prob is not selling enough over there,
which is hurting their they feel like hurting theirselves a
monster hunter wilds. It makes sense. It's, uh a PS

(53:05):
five Japan language only console that's something for three hundred
and sixty dollars, which that's uh what two hundred dollars
less than the PS five now or one hundred and
fifty dollars less.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
So that's what happened. No terrorists will do to you, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I mean, but to be fair, it's you know that
it's not the Japanese economy is doing great either. The
value of the end has really gone down, so it
makes sense, like try, just like Nintendo did, try to
do what you can to get people to buy your
system that haven't bought it already.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I think that Yeah, no, no, go ahead, I'm gonna
say I think that, uh this is a slightly off
topic or it's about the say played by like the
Income Income Danie game. It's pretty decent. Encamedia seven eleven games.
Uh yeah, mhm, and that's really.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Wondering Sword looks cool. It's like an indie version of
the Otopath Traveler.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Like I like really bad because.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Oh, I also have forgot to mention they did release
the demo for Obat Travelers zero as well, which I
installed and played a little bit of it, but I
haven't really gotten to like do anything aside of like
the the the training stuff that you do. So right, Yeah,
they showed another trailer for Dragon Quest seven Reimagine, which

(54:36):
I'm always down for that that game looks great. Uh.
Outside of that, there's a lot of horror stuff. And
then some games that have like just getting more content,
like awesome that the amount of Time Strangers getting more content.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Or like grand Trees and crap like that.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Granted it once upon a Katemaris getting more DLC, which
I know you know.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
That not actual DLC, like not like levels. It's just hey,
here's one soundtracks.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
It's like great, yeah yeah, but they have great music.
So when uh, and there's a new beta from Marble
talk on Fighting Souls, which we did talk about that
it might be there for sure, right, uh yeah, it
wasn't one of the best data plays or anything. Uh,

(55:25):
definitely save your time going to watch that thing.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Right, I don't I like I like that host like
more than the American when.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Fair enough? Uh. The they did announce uh, two games
that are not coming to PlayStation that are Stony franchises
or place the franchise. The first one is the long
rumored nc stoft Horizon MMO. It got a ten minute trailer.

(55:57):
It's coming to mobile. It is built for mobilestally, but
it's also coming to PC. And Ration and klank Ranger Rumble,
which is like an arena shooter that is also built
for mobile but also coming to PC. As I mentioned,
both of them are not coming to PS five. Any

(56:19):
thoughts on that, Like that's interesting, isn't it? Like these
are Sony franchises and you're you're not having them come
out to.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
So that the Horizon one is one you talked about, right.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Yeah, the Horizon one is.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Okay. I watch just like a three minute trailer and
I think I watched that, and I was like, first
of all, like you said, this looks very monstrunter, like,
you know, except very robot animals out of real life animals.
And then I watched a trailer and I was like,
why is this? Why is this an MML or what?
You know? Like the trailer itself had like twenty seconds

(57:00):
of you with like another person. All the rest of
the trailer just looks like a Horizon game, And it's
a really like.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
It's probably a lot like Monster Hunter right where you
can play it by yourself, but you can also play
it with the people if you want.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Yeah, but is it gonna have the same grind as
Monster Hunter where it's like, Oh, I gotta kill this
fucking monster eight hundred times to get the boots I want,
or get enough materials to get the boots I need. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
This also seems to be built mainly for the Asian
market more than anything, so it doesn't necessarily take away
from whatever that other Horizon multiplayer game is. But I
also question, like, if you had this come out first,
What is a Horizon multiplayer game going to do differently
than this game? All right, you know, outside of maybe

(57:52):
having more story elements, and maybe this game won't Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Ali will show up in that one as a crespcover.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Or you know, yeah, like or will you somehow have
the ability to control Alloy and you're not having to
just have a creative character and make it feel like, oh,
this is just kind of there, you know, right, It's
gonna be interesting and how well this does you know,
Monster Hunter has a big fan base. People like those

(58:21):
type of games, but we've also seen you know, as
a Wild Hearts came and went, and we've seen a
few others that kind of try to ape their gameplay
and they don't are nowhere near as successful. So yeahs
gonna be interesting. I Like I said, I do like
the Horizon world. It is kind of set in the

(58:44):
southwestern part of the country, like Arizona, Mexico, New Mexico
kind of.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Area, or areas Vegas and like Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Yeah, so yeah, that's gonna be interesting how that all
ties together. And again, like, what what is going to
be different from the Gorilla developed multiplayer game that we
still haven't seen. I wonder if that will be a
surprise at the Game Awards, will Sony unveil that. Any

(59:17):
thoughts on the Ratchet and Clank arena shooter thing.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Now, it's depressing that that's what Rotchet Clank has been
reduced to.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
I mean, yeah, I mean it's not Insomniac doing it obviously, right,
I mean I don't mind it. I mean, if this
is part of their live service push, I do think
that it's good that they're doing live service pushing in
different ways and it's not just all like extraction shooter
and you know that kind of thing. So that's positive

(59:54):
in that way. Hopefully that means that, I mean, there
are rumors that they are working on a regular Raget game. Uh,
but but it's like one of those where it's like
it's it's small enough where you could have like a

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small team.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Yeah, it's not. It's not like, oh, if this fails,
it's going to break the company like Concord, you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Know, yeah, but it does like it's just kind of
like funny that you have two PlayStation games that, oh,
they're not even coming to the the console where you
know that's your your main audience for those franchises are
I wonder if it's gonna be like it's like a

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test bed and then eventually it comes to PS live
or you think they just don't come to pe A
sib at all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I don't have to come to pib at all. It'll
be like that Mario Run game and Nintendo did you know?

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yeah, I mean they have been one to get into mobile.
And the Ratchet game also is like creat a character.
I should note even though that you know, Ratchet does.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Appear, how can I be just create so the Hedgehog
in this Ratchet creat character.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yeah, I mean we have seen like arena shooters aren't
like the the most viable of genres, right, So we'll
see how far that that goes for them. Hopefully it
does well for Sony's continued push in that area. Speaking

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of another so many franchise that could go somewhere else,
the Other Blade. There is a report Imrod this year
that already said there would be a switch to version,
but during the earning results for Shift Up, they also
kind of mentioned that they might be looking at at

(01:01:55):
further enhancing the brand and boosting so way by having
it come not an additional platform, so it could Xbox
also get Still the Blade, which that would be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
I doubt it, like I I would you really have
to question like the rate of return, like is it yeah,
it's not just like oh, say the file as an Xbox.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Right, yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
But but then also like is there enough interest on
the Xbox side, uh for this to matter? You know? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
You gonna be interesting if they.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Or or like what if you're on game Pass, Like
would they pay? How much would they pay for it?
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
I can see them paying for it on game Pass,
you know they like the especially to be able to say, oh,
it's a Stony franchise game and it's on game Pass, like,
you know whatever, I can see them doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Finally, Stranding will have an anime and it's gonna stream
on Disney Plus. It's supposed to be out in twenty
twenty seven. That's called Death Stranding Isolations. Even though that
may not be the final title. It's has a big
time director, the jiu Jitsu Kaisen director some who Park

(01:03:20):
is going to be directing on this, and also Takayuki Sano,
who's you know, worked on an Attack on Time but
any fish promre some big enemy there as well. Cool
glad to see Death Stranding continue to push forward.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
This will happen as supposed to that like live action
movie and keep threatening.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
I think both will happen. It's Kojima, He's gonna want
to see it happen. Yeah, I don't. I don't think
he's being there present and then not seeing that go through.
I think both of them are going to happen, as
opposed to some other projects that we see get announced
and then nothing right as far as that goes. Any

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interested in it it all?

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Or not? Really? Because the dead Man isn't it? What
dead Man isn't it? What's the point?

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
We went over to the Xbox side of things here,
not not a whole lot to really talk about here.
They did announce officially the Partner Preview. It's happening on Thursday. Uh.
They are going to show off more of Double seven
First Light. Gonna be interesting how much more of the
show because we've always seen a lot of that game
Tides of Annihilation, which does have Jennifer English voicing the

(01:04:46):
main character. She of course voiced my l in Expedished
in thirty three and Reanimal, which is the original Studios
that made Little Nightmares one and two. So those are your,
I guess three big games, but we'll see. I'm sure
they will have other announcements, game pass announcements, those kind
of thing, all the games that are gonna be on

(01:05:07):
that show or play anywhere. So there's that. They also
unveiled the publishing Guide, the Xbox Publishing Guide for free.
They put it online, so now anybody, whether you're in
the id at Xbox program or you're looking to publish

(01:05:29):
on Xbox, you can do that without so many of
the barriers and things that have been an issue for
Xbox in the past. That's great to see. Steam kind
of does the same thing, so.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Make things, Yeah, Xbox us feel a lot more open,
and then it kind of closed up, but now they
reopening so.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
It kind of behooves them to do so, right, Like
that's kind of the only play they got left is
just kind of we're very developer friendly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Let's the problem with that kind of and it's the
same problem that Steam has is visibility or you know, yeah,
like Steam has so much trap coming out not even
like monthly or weekly, like day by day. They got
fifty new games on Steam or you know, it's like
some crazy number. So how how does like the good

(01:06:25):
stuff reach the top. It's like it usually doesn't, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Yeah, unless you're in game pass where you automatically get
the like next slot in the What's Coming or just
a recently added section. Right, yeah, that gets lost on
the Microsoft Store too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yeah, I mean gets lost in all of them, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
But right, Yeah, that's why Sony has that problem where
they and Nintendo really has that problem where they have
so many of like the same similar game all right,
just come out on the shop and it's like why
is it? Why is it like five in tie games? Yeah,
like you know, but all right, Nintendo, you do your thing.

(01:07:08):
You know, you're big enough to where it don't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Where's the Mario Hinti crossover that the fans have been
demanding for years?

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Right? Also, Sarah Bond did an interview with Fortune that
just got released today. You can watch it on YouTube.
She kind of like doubles down on the whole what
they're doing, the PC hybrid thing, that you're gonna be
able to bring all all your games with you, all
the things that they've been saying, but just uh, you know,

(01:07:39):
just to kind of like reiterate that it's a newer interview,
and they are kind of still saying the same thing,
So at least.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
For now, my response would be where's am three? God
damn it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Right. Uh. The other major thing that got we knew
it was gonna be announce today because they'd already kind
of said so right at Jeff Keeley regarding the Game Awards,
But we did get the official nominee list. As I mentioned,
Claire obscuris Fishing thirty three twelve nominations. It helps when
you're a double a game that's also technically indie and

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you blow up the way that this game did this year.
So they are in both of the Indie Game of
the Year spots, the Best Debut Indie and Best Indie Game.
Because technically sam Fall Interacted that is their first game.
They are of course in the YEA go Ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Sorry. I really hate some of the discourse about I
think I might have been Kataku or a destructor at
one of the one of those people or groups were like,
you know, Expedition thirty three shouldn't be shouldn't be an
indie game, and neither should you know Hades two or
or so. Yeah, yeah, And it's like, first of all,

(01:08:57):
I could kind of buy the argument for Haities two
and Silk Song, like those were actual sequels to very
popular games, right, But like Expedition thirty three, they only
had like thirty core people working on up, but they
had like a bunch of contractors and stuff. But like that,
that's still a big gamble for them. It's not like

(01:09:20):
EA or Activision or you know, no one like big
published that game.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Like yeah, I mean the thing is like that game
still could have failed, yeah, right, Like it could have
came out and and not blown up the way it did, right, right,
And there are people that like it. It got best narrative,
and there's people that aren't necessarily big fans of the
narrative because of the way that the third act plays

(01:09:47):
out right, you know, And there's it got all of
the audio and and sound design and and music right
and also gained direction and those kind of things that
all makes sense. Even the three of the voice actors,
Ben Star, Jennifer English, and Charlie Hawks all got nominated

(01:10:10):
as well. So you know, look, this this game was
huge this year, and it's it's technically an indie, so
it's not like, uh, was it Davia Diver that was
actually not an indie and it was split into that category,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Right, I just think it's a really weird like post
or like splitting hair. It's like, oh, shouldn't indie only
have five people working on them and the credits or
you know, shouldn't only have cought?

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Yeah, like, are we gonna start making uh? Are we
gonna start making a oh the Size of your Team award?
And like if you wanted to do like a solo
dev award, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Like even most games are made by at least you know,
two people, you know, It's not.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Like yeah, I just I just don't like I get
it the point of oh, we want we want the
smaller devs to have a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
I guess the closest thing you're gonna get to that
is the Games for Impact, which that tends to feature
the smaller games, right, Like that you got which that
also varies because then you got a not indie like
Stop the Midnight in there with an indie like Despelotte,

(01:11:30):
which is made by like basically mostly two people.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
So it's owned by that scrappy company Microsoft.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Right, It's like, you know that's the thing is is
you're gonna You're gonna say that, but.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
It is kind of what it is. You're you're gonna
get this kind of thing where you're gonna get a
lot of variety. I think that that's great that that's there. Listen,
sometimes it's just gonna be this issue where you're gonna
have these bohemos, you're gonna go against it unforcedly. This

(01:12:10):
is the same that works out in every other Awards show.
The ones that you want to win aren't gonna win, Yeah,
because there's bigger ones that are probably gonna take the
the spot. You know, like I love for Despolote or
Dispatch to win Best Debut Indie, but be very surprised

(01:12:31):
if they were right best. You know, Game of the
Year is interesting because no go through Buote, You got
Clarb Scarit spits in thirty three, HOLLOWI Olks Song Haites two,
Donkey Kong, Bonanza, Keen Didn't Come, Deliverance Too, and des

(01:12:52):
Draining two on the Beach are your six games there? Yeah,
you got an argument with that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
I mean, personally, I probably knockout Kingdom come for Ghost Took,
but I haven't played either one. But I just no
can Ghost to OK is something I'd gravitate more towards
or I'll I'm hoping to buy that during Black Friday
or hopefully someone has a little on sale.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
I do think it shows a lot of like how
Monster Hunter Wild's has gone down failed, yeah, you know,
and also, uh, what's gonna call it? Flit fiction as well,
Like not that it failed, it they obviously did well,
but it's just like that experience didn't stay with people.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
I think for both those games, and I think even
for some of the games on their list, it's it's
a matter of diminishing returns. Like right, if you look
at like Deat Training one versus two, like you couldn't
really tell the difference, like just to make a screenpat perspective,
you know, or uh, split fiction versus it takes like

(01:14:00):
i mean, setting wise, sure, but like the gameplay of
both those are pretty identical, and Split Fiction didn't exactly
like do anything new at least I really noticed. I'm
sure that. I'm sure you know, Joseph Ferris would argue like, oh,
it's all new or whatever insane bullshit he's gonna say,
but like now it's I mean, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
A different setting, different characters.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Yeah, but it's mostly the same, you know gameplay pretty much.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
I actually think like it. It takes too at a
much better setting and overall gameplay than split fiction.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
So yeah, there, I did see some of those criticisms
as well that it kind of gets it gets a
lot more old hat faster yeah fiction than it did
with It Takes two. May also be because the novelty
is not there, right, this is a second.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Go around, So I mean I would say, like Expedition
threty three Donkey Kong, and I mean I may not
like it, but King Kingdom come deliver to our newer
spins on games or established branch, I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Mean, does so much better all the stuff that people
have criticians on the first game, it takes that to
another level in the second game. So I'm glad to
see it get rewarded here, which is great. But also
you know, uh, this is happening December eleventh, so get
your calendars.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Ready to printed early.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Also a cool thing for Jeff to be able to
promote is that this year the Game Awards is going
to also be available on as Amazon Prime Video, which
obviously they own Twitch you know, Amazon and Twitch whatever,
But that's still cool. You're gonna be live. Somebody's watching
Amazon Prime Video is going to see if that's live
and then be able to check it out, so you know,

(01:15:49):
maybe they get some promotion there as well. Also hope
you know, you get the Fallout show a week later, so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
It's only gonna frigured Amazon Prime and it's it's going
to go back to Spike TV.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Oh god, let's not. But a week later on December eighteenth,
you're also going to have the Indie Game Awards, which
you know they are awesome as well. Six one ind
of course, that crew is the one that handles that,
and they had their selection of nominees pretty uh, pretty

(01:16:31):
eclectic group for the most part, interesting to see, like
just it just shows the breadth of indie games that
we've had this year, which is amazing. And then you
could still make the case that, like let's say, for
the most part, for like Game of the Year, there's
a lot of games that could be could have been

(01:16:53):
in there, but their their selection, which they made a
group of ten. They also include aspishon thirty three, which
there you go another group of nominees or another people
that are adding it in as an indie ex finishing
thirty three Hayes two, Soap Song all in here along
with Blueprints as Solomon is Here and Roger Consume Me,

(01:17:18):
Keep Driving, PB Show and The Curse Yo Yo Citizen
Sleeper two all great games that people should go check
out for sure. So yeah, I mean they have a
lot of different I guess awards based on like the
region the game came in, which is cool, but I

(01:17:38):
mean that's that's mainly the Big Award. I think they'll
see what we're gonna kind of take away from that, right, which, yeah,
that's that's cool as well. I'm going to be excited
to watch that. I mean, yes, exactly my version of
the Big Awards. But yeah, more people will start announcing

(01:18:01):
their like nominees and stuff soon, I'm sure now that
I think we're kind of like out of the window
where a lot of aside from Metro Prime and that
that's gonna be interesting. I think we're gonna wait for
Metropronict come out. Are they gonna announce it beforehand? We'll
see when we get to that. Also, to follow up

(01:18:22):
from last week, the ISWGB have followed a legal claim
against rock Star over the employee firings. They shared a
legal statement with Eurogamer that says that ISWG believes that
they were dismissed. The services that amount the victimization and
collective dismissal link to trade union activity. THEWG attempted to

(01:18:48):
meet Rockstar and result a matter through negotiation. The latter
has refused to meet and persisted at terminate members of
the union in a matter that's unacceptable and unlawful. Therefore,
iw GP is issued former legal claims against Rockstar. Behalf
of the claimants. We'll see if anything kind of comes
out of this. You think this means anything, like you

(01:19:12):
think they have a shot here at all?

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Or I hope so I I kind of hope that
like Rockester gets her asses handed do them because I
completely have no faith in like what they publicly say
or you know their stands.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
So no, definitely, Look, I'm not gonna ever side with
a big corporation like that over something like this, like
these people really didn't do anything wrong and you just
didn't want to have to deal with having a union
inside your company.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
That's kind of That's what if all thirty people are
on Reddit or you know, four chan or something and
say like, hey, here's a Google's drive with the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Yeah, there's still nothing that's ever been leaked that you're
supposedly leaking company secrets like that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
I could see like, hey, fire that person or people,
but no, like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
And also it's like if it was one person that
might have been doing that, you're gonna fire all thirty
people because of that. That's that's really right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
I was gonna ask real quick, yeah about that about
the game awards, like what do you think who do
you think she would win for the best performance? Ah?

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
I agree with to Jennifer English. Okay, yeah, like I
think she does a great job.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
As my own well over hal Cox walk out his
dar double, that'd be cool.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
That means he's gonna, you know, he's gonna be like,
I barely did anything for this game, Why are you?
Why did you have me win over other people that
talk way more than me?

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
So, yeah, he'll be humble at that, I imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Also, rock Star did announce a neat red Dead Redemption
is going to release on current consoles, and if you
own a PS four, Xbox or a Nintendo Switch one
version of the game, you can upgrade for free digitally.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
And then also some of the games that I think everybody.
You'll also have your slave data can come with you
as well. This is gonna appear on psib XIL series
and of course switch to with HDR sixty four inch
per second and four K and that's cool, and that'll
use the DLSS for the switch to as well. So

(01:21:39):
it's supposed to be coming to the PS plus game
catalog next month on December second, along with you know,
being there for Peterby.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
I'm pretty sure this was Kataco, but they were like,
why isn't what about Red Dead Redemption two or some
guys lamenting like red Redemption you know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Mean that's that's its own and now said by itself.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
So but also it's like, yo, people don't like Red
Dead Redemption two as much, Like it's not it's not surprising,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
But I mean that game's still sold like crazy. I mean,
these people will get excited when it gets announced. It's
just I think you can you can announce it separately.
You don't need it right together.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
You haven't I get sold. So I think it sold
well initially. But like compare GTA Online to Red Dead
Redemption Online.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
Oh definitely not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Yeah, I like I don't think it was a failure
by any means, But I don't think it was like
the GTA level success that rock Star is hoping for.
Right Meanwhile, like Redemption two, Redemption one to sign and
put on Steam and everyone like when Ape shit finally
after like fifteen years of darkness.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
No, you're not wrong there. Going over to Nintendo for
a small moment, uh, your Moto did announce that they
are officially shooting the Legend of Zelda movie. You know,
some of their stuff got leaked, so they kind of

(01:23:06):
got ahead of it there. But I guess the major
controversy or whatever is Pokemon Pocopia got its release date,
which is March fourth, which is like a week after
the Pokemon. You would presume the Pokemon presents for the
twenty twenty six will air. It usually always airson February

(01:23:27):
twenty seventh or thereabouts. The big thing here is that, Okay, great,
it's gonna work with game sure on Switch one, but
you have to have a switch to initiate it, so
you can play with somebody that only has to Switch one.
But the I guess the issue for a lot of
people is that it's a game key card. Officially, core

(01:23:50):
Tecmo is the one that's kind of heading this up.
So it is technically a sort of I guess you
can call it second.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Party game, I mean game partnership, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
But it does kind of go against the thing that
Nintendo said, which was all the first party games will
come on disc or on cartridge or whatever. How do
you feel about this as a maybe not that you
care about the game itself.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
But it's not surprising. I mean, yeah, like I don't
I don't tend to watch to make They don't want
to make the game cartridges themselves, period, So they can
say that for their for their own games, but I'm
sure they're steppardy never won to a game key cargeters
is cheaper and you know, let's work for them.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
And it's also the memory issue or whatever, and they
don't want to have to have the different sizes of
cartridges or whatever they'd rather be.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
I mean the one. It'll be funny at some point
when they're like, I'm gonna this isn't obviously the case,
but like I'll use metric prime for as an example,
like the first run will be like the actual game
cartridge and the second one will be game key cards.
You know, they make it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Why didn't be surprised on that for sure. A couple
more things here really quick, you be soft apparently not
the current splinter Cell game, but they apparently did cancel
another splinter Cell game. According to an interview that Jason
schuer Bloomberg had with the ad Hoc studio co founder

(01:25:23):
Nick Herman, who used to work at ub Soft. Interesting
that we have a bunch of games of people that
used to work at Ubisoft, and now all of a sudden,
those games are amazing. Dispatch is apparently awesome as well.
But when talking about you know, in that interview he
talks about Dispatch and stuff, he also talks about that

(01:25:44):
they he apparently moved with some of the other co
founders of ad Hoc to San Francisco's h the ub
SUTH Sanrancisco office to work on a new splinter Cell project,
and they were excited to work on it, you know,
as fans of the game. And then all of a sudden,
you candidate, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
And they canned it for the right reason. They made
X Defiant instead.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Yeah, come out and denied that or whatever, But I
bet it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Well, it's either X Defiant or you know, the Pirate
game and it's like selling bones and it's like okay, which, Yeah,
it's like which is which of these is the bigger failure?

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
You know, like, yeah, please don't tell me that that's
what we're that that was the big thing that you
did for that, because man, that's terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Let's assume, like I don't know how much Exifiant costs.
I know it was like an expensive project. Let's say
like a Spinner sal game, it wouldn't cost nearly as
much because if I be single player or like single
player and like some multiplayer, but it wouldn't be like that.
You just focus. Yeah, if they made a Spinner Salt game,

(01:27:00):
they probably saw at least a million copies, right, they
weren't six time seventy or sixty, like it's six or
seventy million dollars. And it wouldn't cost that much to
make that game probably, and assuming it's good, it'd probably
sell more copies.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
That's Spinners anime or whatever got nominated for the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Yeah, I'm all pissed about that, Like not that it's
not good, but come on Sonic three.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
But uh yeah, no Sonic three and no Twisted Metal
to uh season two, which I heard a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
People like, so I can I can see that one
because no one cared about that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
There's a lot of I saw quite a few people
that got really upset. I'm talking about prominent like YouTubers
and whatnot. They were upset the Twisted Medal two was
not nominated. So yeah, but interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
But like, you know, a sixty seventy million dollars game
like Spinter Seal Versus Extra, which you can't buy anymore,
you can't play anymore, that probably costs a lot more
to make, like which was the better gamble.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
But you know, you'd be stuff. They like to have
those live service things so they can keep making them.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
It's funny to the rumors that they just got acquired
or some secret Yeah buy a ten cent Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
We'll see. That doesn't surprise me at all. That felt
like it was gonna happen as soon as they made
that Vantage Studios or whatever, right thing that it felt
like Tencent was just gonna start acquiring, if not both
of them, at least one of them. Yeah, speaking of
things long in the tooth. Though Star Citisen has officially

(01:28:42):
been in alpha for thirteen years, it's unplayable since twenty seventeen,
which is like around eight years, so you can't play
the thing, but it's still not in like one point zero.
It's still not.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Even you know, still act yeah, that single player.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Thing, and you know, funding has crossed over nine hundred
million dollars almost it's insane, right, And that game is
still technically an early access yep, or well not even access.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
It's never coming out, like it's never going to be
quote unquote finished.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
So you don't think there's ever going to be a
one point oh that game.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
I think they might say it's one point oh, but
not really, you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Know, fair enough, I think it will eventually if you
get enough people like kind of being like, okay, we're
done like giving money to this. Yeah, but yeah, they're
going to try to keep milking it is as long
as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Yep, you bet your.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Bottom dollar they will, because why not they have until
now they have no anything to push them to to do.
So really all right, but all right, Uh, anything else
you'd want to talk about here?

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Well, I wanted to make I watched the Digital Foundry
Clipper I think it was yesterday a few days ago,
and they talked about the great like what's the greatest
technological leak? Between console generations mm hmm. And I'm curious
what your what your thoughts would be on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
I would say PS one to PS two.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
That's exactly That's what the guy said. I think his
name was John, the one of the guys that y
that's crazy to me. Why, like the greatest leap is
from like Snats and Genesis to p S one and
Next sixty four.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Oh well yeah, that I think for sure. Yeah, we're
talking about like, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
You were literally adding a new dimension, you know, right,
And the Digital Foundry guy he was like, oh, you know,
we went from uh you know, character is made of
four hundred polygons for ten thousand. It's like, yo, okay,
yeah that's important. But you're going from Martin to a
different plane. Yeah, they're going from Mario World and Martin

(01:31:14):
sixty four or you know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
I mean that completely changed gaming with yeah going to
three D.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
But I as much as I occasionally like Digital Vondri's
like takes on stuff, it just showed like they're like
extreme Iopia about like graphics are everything, are the only
important thing that matters?

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Really annoys me.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Yeah, I mean I do see that at times That's
why I kind of tend to take a lot of
the I don't go like, there's a lot of people
that just like live by whatever they say.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Right, and for me, they always gotta take it with
a grain of salt exactly, the the ones who always
care about ELSs all out of the craft that actually
doesn't matter gaming. It's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
And that's the thing too, is like people tend to
overestimate that so much. Yeah, where it's like, immediately as
suit as the steam Machine thing was announced, it's like,
oh my god, it doesn't have this. It doesn't have that.
It's like underpowered and it's ship and why would I
want that. It's like, it's not for you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Yeah, it's It was also funny that destruc jo It,
on the other hand, put up a headline or put
up an article, and the headline was this, the Steam
Machine could be the best thing that has ever happened
to PC gaming.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
And it's like, what, Like, I mean, I could I
could see what he's saying. If it really does take
off and you create a whole subset of new PC
gamers that are now like, oh, I'd rather have this.
I do think that if they can make that and
they can make the price work depending on like what

(01:32:54):
you play, aside from the exclusives of whatever you like,
you know, whether it's Nintendo's or Sony's or whatever. If
a lot of the stuff you play is not the like,
oh my god, it's got to be triple a, triple
A triple A. Steam is much better at least right
now for that, then switch to is you know, and

(01:33:15):
it may be that for the foreseeable feature, you know,
depending on how that works with Nintendo as far as
like getting uh stuff on switch to. I mean, they're
doing better about it, but it's still like most things
still go to Steam first and then they'll eventually come
to Switch second, and then the other consoles. So like,

(01:33:36):
if you're getting into where you know, you like gaming
that you don't care about the graphics, right, you know,
Steam will work for that for a while. But also
I think, you know, how quickly are they gonna be
able are they going to be able to you know,
like I think I saw the Digital Founder anything where

(01:33:56):
they talked about like, oh, could they possibly put like
r DNA four on there in some kind of software
capacity and like be able to build up the Steam
machine like through software where it doesn't like we're out
of to welcome too fast, you know, compared to when
the PS six and whatever the next Xbox thing come out,

(01:34:20):
which we're closer to that than we were, you know,
years ago. So you're coming out in a year where
you're expecting that the PS six and Xbox are going
to be announcing their new consoles and you're already you know,
super underpowered. How much will that affect people? How much

(01:34:41):
will they not care? And they go, oh, well, I
don't really care about having the latest Techo whatever. I
just want to play. I have a lot of games
on SEAMA. I want to play this thing. You know,
maybe it works out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
I have a thirty year old Leadershot Larry game to play.
Leave Me Alone then that philosophy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
But I mean, speaking of games to play, there are
quite a few to play this week if you're you know,
into some of them. You got India comeing to Switch,
which is a great indie game from last year, Soul
Loving a Rise over Drive. I keep hearing about that

(01:35:22):
that is coming to PC The Berlin Apartment, which is
a cool like narrative game that's coming to everything. Butt
Switch on the seventeenth as well, you also got to
the Deadpool VR game. It's coming on the eighteenth. Morsels

(01:35:43):
is also coming, which that's another one of those Antiperna joints,
which is it's like a roguelike.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
With a mouse.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
Kind of has like a little bit of bullet hell
in it as well. That Resident Survival Unit game also
comes on the eighteenth. I you've been for some reason
looking forward to that. Not hating if you are, just saying.
Demon School is also coming on the nineteenth to everything,
along with Kingdom of the Dump is also coming. That's

(01:36:13):
that j RPG with like you know, your trash can
whatever that's on the PC, Spongehob SquarePants. The Titans of
the Tide is also coming to everything in the current
gen on the eighteenth. The Moonlighter Too, Endless Vault also
coming on the nineteenth. That's the game I'm looking into

(01:36:34):
because I really liked the first Moonlighter. So there's that.
Kirby Air Riders also coming to switch to you excited
about that at all? Nope, Nope, fair enough. I know
there's people that are very excited about it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
So carry is really weird, the in and out of
like the weird genres. Yeah, Mario or you know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
I mean still cool that Sakarai got to do all
that this game. He convinced Nintendo to have it, let
him do two freaking directs on that game. The Terrifyer
Arcade Game not joking comes out on the twenty first

(01:37:24):
to Everything as well, So if you didn't know the
Terrifier head of game, it does. Our type Delta HD
Boost Dude also comes out to Everything as well, and
Soccer two comes to PS five after a whole year
weight on that. So all right, some cool things coming
out this week for sure, but all right until that

(01:37:45):
comes that time on the next following Monday. Thank you
everybody for checking us out, watching us live, or listening later.
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Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
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