Xbox Game Pass Ultimate: Is It Still Worth It? # 464

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
You are listening to Video Games to the Max. Hello,
and welcome to another edition of Video Games to the Max.
I am your host, Sean Garmer here with me as usual,
mister Mark Morrison, got it, And well, this is episode
four hundred and sixty four of the show, and we
have a doozy to talk about. If everything else hadn't

(00:35):
gone up for Microsoft already, it has finally happened. Xbox
Game Pass goes up, but not the usual like two
or three dollars. It has gone up ten dollars. And
that's just in the US. It's gone up more in
other regions. We'll talk about is Ultimate still worth it?
And all the other rumors that have been going around

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between a free ad teer of cloud gaming, to is
Xbox going to be done with consoles? To why they're
not making their own hand held? To whatever else? A
lot of Xbox stuff and not great news. And all
of this PlayStation is doing a dual sense, a new

(01:17):
dual sense with a replaceable battery, so now you can
get your battery to last longer. Maybe Marks I'm playing
more Haites too, and we'll get in some all that
and more right after this. All right, Well, I guess
let's go ahead and get the so I don't forget
like I have the last two weeks. I think to

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which apparently did not do well at the box office.
I'm sure they'll talk about that as well. But yeah,

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so that's about it here for the promotion stuff. Let's
go ahead and get this going the way we usually
do with the games we are playing. My idea was
to use Sunday while I was watching the games to
start playing f Fancy Tactics, which the review coach shut

(03:57):
up like four days after the game came out, and
then got surprised with the review code today for a
little Nightmares three. So now I probably have to actually
switch gears and try to start a little Nightmares faster
because that embargo is Wednesday. I probably won't get it
up by Wednesday, but at least try to make it

(04:18):
relatively quickly, and then yes got digit on time stranger
and yeah, I talked about Haiti's two before, and you
got some other things on the docket here in this
next week. So, but how's your Haiti two good?

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I have beat it a few times on both dots now,
so yeah, making some progress.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
How many runs did it take you for? You beat
it at least once?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
You think thirty thirty?

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Okay. I kind of built like I built like one.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
You know, not run but you know one system or
one build that like did really well against uh the
characters or you know, kind of both.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Path so it's pretty easy.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Uh yeah, Mike, what.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Did you always end up using the what weapon did
you wind up?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
The first one was, Yeah, it was the two blades
at the two daggers basically, Okay, some of them. Later
on you get like, you get this like ax that
has a really long wind up time that like you
think would be good, but like I I did beat
it once, but I'm like I don't like using this
at all, Like it's just too slow or it's not fun.

(05:48):
Uh yeah. And the last weapon you get, it's actually
kind of cool. Is this like fifth weapon but it
can also shoot out you can like lock it to
like do a charge like punch that's also like a
shield while you're charging, which is helpful. And then its
special attack is like rockets or like missiles. Yeah, so

(06:10):
that's kind of that's pretty useful because it's I'm always
a distance fighter in that game, so if I don't
have to be close to anything, I don't want to be.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, that's what I was wondering if you're using the
magic more because I'm still kind of playing it, I
guess to how I remember Hades one where I'm still
doing the like you know, mostly melee combat.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Right, Yeah, I'm trying to be as much as far
away as I can, you know, and then having like
weapons or having like boons or whatever that like, Oh,
if I use my special attack, which is like a projectile,
it'll ricochet off two or three other things. It's like Okay,
that makes groups of enemies very easy to kill.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Right Yeah. Did you have a boss that was really
hard for you that you had to do multiple times?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
The second boss of the Lot of the Overworld or
like the basically I mean, I'm just gonna call him
live and dead because that's kind of what they are
but the second boss of the live section is kind
of hard. Was initially hard because she's very fast and
she has the old gun from the first game, the
rail I think, forget the name of it, but like

(07:22):
she uses that against you and she's tough until I realized,
like she did this like one attack if she like
spreads gunfire out at an arc that's like very fast.
Until I realized, like, oh, there are these two conspicuous
stone towers in this area. I wonder if I can
get behind that and this let her do it, you know,

(07:42):
and like it'll protect me and guess.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
What it does.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
And then Chronos in the dead section, he has two forms.
The second form is kind of a more annoying because
they have a lot of attacks. And I'm not gonna
say the thing's name, but the boss in the live section,
like the last boss, uh, it doesn't have a health
bar or it kind of destroys it so you don't

(08:09):
actually see like how what you're doing against it.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh that's yeah, I hate that's yeah, Like you're, yeah,
you're having a guess of when it's gonna be dead.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, like when it'll go down like halfway through the fight.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Zeus will come down and like do his ultimate attack,
which like just like stuns it for like five seconds.
It's really funny. Ah, and it's like, Okay, I guess
I'm guessing about halfway through now. Yeah. Ah. One thing
about that game, like, and I guess this isn't the
first one. Although I didn't notice it or even use

(08:44):
at the time, it has an accessibility options for just
god mode.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
It does. Yeah it does. Yeah, I didn't know it
makes you stronger every time you die.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Or no, it's just like infinite like you know, you
just have infinite health.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
And from what I've you know, from when I read it,
was it just makes you stronger every time you die.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Nope, you just have anything of health like a text
like can still hit you, but they don't do any damage.
Because I used it one like last night just to
see what it did. And yeah, I steamrolled the game
and I got like a perfect ending or you know,
I didn't lose any health in Man on the Boss,
and I was like, oh, yeah, yess. I mean this
trivializes everything, but like it's physically said, it's like, hey,

(09:31):
like this game is hard, like if you just want
to see the story, Yeah, to use it because we
focus more on like the writing or the relationships between characters,
which is you know, admirable.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Right, and then writing is still a top notch for
this game. So right, I still haven't had it. I
still haven't run into a repeat thing that one of
them says or you know, if you run into that
yet or.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
I'm gonna boom.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Dialogue does repeat a little, I mean, not anything noticeable,
but if you keep getting, keep getting like yeah Neptune,
like you know, eventually it will repeat like occasionally, but
it's something like huge. And you know, if you're playing
the game dozens or hundreds or possibly thousands of times,
like what do you expect?

Speaker 3 (10:22):
You know?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, I mean eventually they're gonna run. I mean for
being an indie game and being able to have like
a lot of the least recycled dialogue I think I've
seen in the game still, I mean, and Hayes Wilm
was great for that too, but you know it's still
pretty awesome.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, you know, I haven't even I beat the game.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I've killed Kronas at least eight or nine times.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, and I killed the other thing like four maybe
maybe four or five, Like my glossary or you know
my index. Still it isn't even like maxed out as
far as characters, not not even like relationships. Just like
I haven't met at least eight eight characters in this game, right,

(11:13):
So yeah, there's a lot of content and it's not like,
oh I beat it once, that's it. It's like, no,
you beat it one hundred times and you may have
may have finally gotten everything, you know, right, I mean, so.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, where does it rank on your list?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
The It'll probably be top ten, you know, I'm not
I don't think it be number one. No, I wouldn't
say the top five necessarily. This just like it's a
very iterative game, and what's iterating on it was very good,
don't get me wrong, but it's still it's not it's

(11:52):
not a ton new necessarily. But if it's still good
or it's still great, like that's fine.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, It's it's kind of in the same boat as Soilksong,
Like it's like, this is great. I think Soksong maybe
iterates a bit more than say Haiti's two, but they're
both still two awesome idees that came out this year.
And we'll talk about the Golden Joysticks kind of at
the end and some of the decisions that they made

(12:21):
that are kind of like, Okay, you had to make
some toughness, is for sure, and then kind of like
other ones where it's like, okay, those are not the
ones I expected to wind up there. But right, well,
that's gonna be a fun thing about this year, I think.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, yeah, I still like it.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
You know, I'll I just finished putting up the song
Hill Effort be it stuff. I get to work on
this soon now that I've like beaten it a few times. Yeah,
I don't. It's hard to like, that's a game that
you can't like. Some people have the mentality they have
like one hundred percent of game to review it or whatever. Yeah,
this isn't that, because you'll be there for the next

(12:57):
two hundred hours.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Oh no, no, no, that's some fat And even then
like yeah, even something like Silent Hill f like, uh,
you know you beat the game once, oh, because you
didn't see the good ending or whatever. I mean, unless
unless there's something where like, oh, the ending that you
did get just sours the game for you, then okay, Navy,
you should seek out the other ending just to see

(13:19):
if that helps at all. But honestly, we don't really
in the in the reviews, we're not talking about the
entire story because you're trying to not spoil things for people.
So really it just comes down to the other aspects
that you should be able to get a handle on
that by the time you roll credit. So and I've
never really believed in the whole Well, I've got one
hundred percent the game, side quest do all that stuff.

(13:40):
It's like, dude, do you think that we just uh,
you know, if you're getting a code the day of
the game releases, by the time you do that, you
either got to have no life or or you know.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
It's it's at one side quest and like the furthest
Off region that will completely change how you think of
the game.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
You know, yeah, really, man, like come on and where
like I've seen people that I've seen people that will
be the game of the year to it a game
like they didn't even play. So I mean it's you know, right, yeah,
it's not the same thing.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Right, Yeah, still good, I'll keep pluging away at it.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, would you wind up given someone who love any Okay,
I said, there's some balance stuff at the end.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
It's kind of like it is not great and also
like some of the story stuff does stick in my
crawl a little about like they don't explain what's going
on much, and even like I've heard up on the
other endings and it's like this doesn't explain it either,
you know.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
So yeah, you know there's gonna be those like this
is definitely a series, just like you know with the
other games where it's like you're gonna the some somebody
in some video essay is gonna explain things that you
probably didn't see or whatever.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
You know. Like the one thing I'll kind of mention
about that game is like they introduced this Fox character
or like this guy wearing like a Fox mask. Yeah,
and like the game kind of tells you or it
says I don't trust him, but the game doesn't ever
explain why, like I know who he is in like

(15:24):
the real world, because you only see him in like
the dream world, but like you don't see him in
the real world at all, so there's no like reason
or justification not to trust him, Like is he a
bad guy? Like if that's the case, then sure, or
is a good guy? Like you just don't know and
the game doesn't tell you. So that's kind of frustrating

(15:45):
to me.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, I can see that. That's probably part of it
is they want to like have the mystery right, you
know whatnot.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
But but yeah, that's all I'm been playing.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Uh yeah, So I already said that hopefully next week
I will have plenty to talk about. But that's okay
because I feel like with the big thing that we
had to talk about Joe where it's going to fill
up a lot of the time. So I guess we
should have really further delay because there's really nothing else

(16:22):
to kind of everything else. Besides, this is kind of minor.
So if for some reason you have not heard the
news at all, which I imagine by this point everybody knows,
everybody's had like a whole because it literally got announced
as as what tends to happen. It literally got announced

(16:46):
within like of the next day that we did the show,
or a couple of days I think. I think, yeah,
it was exactly Tuesday. So Xbox game pass ault going
up ten dollars in the US, even more in other
countries to twenty nine ninety nine a month. PC Game

(17:12):
Pass also went up to sixteen fifty a month. Goultimate
is still going to be your place for the Day
one games, and so is PC game Pass. So technically,
I guess PC game Pass is now the default best
deal in gaming because you get that for even cheaper

(17:33):
than what Ultimate was previously. It's still got the day
one stuff. Obviously, you have to have the rig to
be able to play things like and stuff like that,
but that's that's.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
A huge deal because you have to have like a
thirty to fifty or whatever to fucking run with some
of these games.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Well, so right, exactly, you have to have a But
I mean, if you have PC game Pass anyway, I
think it's because you have the rig that can run it,
because I don't think what's the I don't think you
that PC game Pass just to play the indies on
there or whatever, you know. But they are promising seventy
five Day one games over the next year per year,

(18:14):
which they've never put an amount on the amount of
Day one games that they give out, so that's a
new wrinkle that they have put in that I guess
they are saying that essentially, that's part of the increase,
is that in order for us to be able to
give you more games, we have to increase surprise, which

(18:35):
I did some research and in because I've been trying
to write part of also the reason why I haven't
play anything, because I've been trying to write this article
for like the past I want to say four or
five days about this and what this really means for people,
and I part of that as I did research and
from last November to this October, because we don't really

(18:59):
know what's I'm gonna remember aside of Call of Duty
and Winter Borrow, there's been fifty Day one about forty
forty eight to like fifty Day one releases, so es
since that you're getting twenty five more Day one releases
on top of the well we already got this year,

(19:21):
will they be able to produce more aprils like what
happened this year? And October is also a pretty good month,
so I mean technically they picked it doesn't start a
number fourth, so this month will be the last month
that it's still the old price. So mine renews technically
on the fourth every month, so I can still I

(19:43):
guess still get to play a Ninja Guiden Keeper and
Out of World too, Nita Guiden and Keeper, two of
the games I've been really excited about. So this October
is worth it for me. But you know, November, I
don't know, I don't really care about Call of Duty
that much, and you know that's to me, that's the
thing that this entire increase in. But let me, I guess,

(20:06):
get to the rest of this where they click. The
rest of the Ultimate stuff that they add in order
to add value to it is they added UBSFT plus Classics,
which by itself is eight dollars a month. But also
you can get that on PlayStation Premium for seven for
eighteen dollars a month and not pay thirty, so uh,

(20:29):
you know there's that, Or you can also play it
on your PC for eight bucks, so you know it
still has the A play. You also get the Fortnite Crew,
which this I have no idea who we're trying to
play k to because if you grind Fortnite to the
point where the Battle Pass is that important to you,
how the hell are you going to have time to

(20:51):
play anything that's on Xbox Game Pass Ultimate that's worth
it for you to spend thirty dollars. You also a
good four hundred games, which obviously that includes that seventy
five Day one games, and then the other stuff has
already been there, plus the ub Soft classics, so like this.
So like on the day that they announced this, not

(21:11):
only did they put Hardwart's legacy into it, which that's
a pretty good get, but obviously it's an older game,
and then all those Ubisoft classics that weren't already in
Game Pass already. So if you actually when I was
doing this research, you can actually kind of tell that
they were getting ready to do this anyway, because almost
every couple of months there was a Ubisoft game coming

(21:33):
into it. And you know, last month they just added Mirage,
so like they've been doing the sacrementing like, so it
really wasn't that much of a thing for Ubisoft to
just add the rest of their old games because they
were already adding in all the new the newish ones.
So I mean, and really it's Ubisoft is just getting
two by to the Apple with Psplus and now game Bat,

(21:55):
So really this is just and I mean also I
don't know, I mean, there's that whole thing of number
Ubisoft owns the Activision cloud rights and all that stuff too,
so how much of that were they already working together anyway?
And then Premium and essentially now now these have new names,

(22:15):
so instead of being Core, it's essential, and Standard is
now Premium and almost feels like they're taking a shot
at psplus taking two of their names. And then Premium
has two hundred games you get and then that stays
the same, the same price that it was. All the
tiers have PC and all the tiers have Cloud. Now

(22:38):
fourteen forty P is the highest you can give a
Cloud and that's going to be on Ultimate. Only the
other two tiers you gotta wait in line up a
bit more and then but you do get ten ADP now,
which before you didn't get any of that, so whatever. Obviously,
Cloud is a thing that not everybody uses, and they're
going to see if they can make it a thing

(23:00):
by adding their own free tier and then essentially adding
ads into it. At some point. They're already testing that,
but they have not officially announced it as of yet,
but it's being reported by the Virgin other people, so
that's pretty much coming. It makes sense they need to
have something that's not tied to game Pass to get
people to actually get into the service, because this is
one of the things that makes this difficult is you're

(23:22):
now pricing people out. You're now preventing people that want
to get into the ecosystem. You're making it much harder
for them to want to do that. But you, as
a person that doesn't have game Pass, that doesn't have anything,
that doesn't really I say, would say care about this
as a whole. What do you think about this? This

(23:42):
price increase and all.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
That it's hysterical, like they have effectively killed the Golden Goose.
Yeah he does. I mean even like Yen's is like
not rich, but he's wealthier either of us. And he
was like, yeah, I would like he's only using his
Xbox right now. It's basically the rock band machine, you know, yep.

(24:08):
And he actually said, like it if he didn't have it,
like if rock band is like on PS four or
that's where like his primarily you know library was he
just sells Xbox.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Fair enough.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
And yeah, like, first of all, like them adding a
bunch of old UBUSACE crap that you don't care about anyway.
I mean, they're adding Uno, a game from two thousand
and six.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
To be fair. They are also adding the new stuff,
like they have every game that is released up until
Star Wars Outlaws, so it's not like they're not adding
anything new. Eventually, Star Wars, Outlaws, Anisaste, Shadows will join
the thing.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
But like they're not even adding like all the old stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Well yeah, but that's that's because that's all there is
in the service, Like you don't you can't really go
back and play the stuff that's like before Assassin's Creed two,
Like that's just that's just kind of where it starts.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
I mean, right, yeah, who can I mean them going like, oh,
we're basically saying like, oh, it's costin more, are you
getting Fortnite?

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Crap? I'd raise my hand and go, what if I
don't care about that?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
And then I feel like they're trying to placate to
like families who might have you know, a kid that
plays Fortnite and they already have Ultimate and it's like, oh, wait,
don't unsubscribe because now your kid could just get Fortnite
Crew for free year or whatever if you stay subscribed.
And it's like, okay, I get it. But it's like
who literally has the time to do both, right? You know,

(25:42):
it's most of the kids that are playing Fortnite, that's
the only game they play. It's like my daughter, she
plays Roadblocks. It's pretty much the game she plays. You know,
and they don't even need Xbox for that. They can
use their tablet. It's like so it just you know,
it just doesn't mean sense to me. But I get

(26:03):
why they won't add them as add ons because then
the publishers will say, oh, will We're not going to
add our games into game Pass because there's not enough
things to key people subscribe. So they have to add
it as an all in kind of thing to be
able to like use it as a tool to go like, oh, well, look,
with all this stuff that we've now added, you should

(26:25):
come and and uh they can mean, we don't know
what these extra twenty five games are going to be.
Are they gonna pony up some money to get some
of the third parties to come back and put their
put their Day one games on there, or is it
going to be like I mean, they already get some
pretty high end indies and Double a's, But you know, I.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Don't think people care about I don't think people care
about indies and nearly as much as you think they do.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
No, No, I don't. They don't think that. I'm saying
this as this is what they're thinking, like this is
really what they can only go get. I mean, I
just don't think that they're gonna be able to to go.
I mean, we don't whatever we know is coming out
next year are They're not gonna go get some of
those big ones. It's gonna cost them stuff. It's not

(27:14):
even worth if they're already complaining about call of duty.
You know, I can't imagine if you go and get like,
let's go pay e A a bunch more money to
try to get EA Sports FC on their day one,
you know, like or or. I mean, I think there's
no way that Grand theft at they would do that

(27:36):
with Grand Thottle six. But I'm just saying I'm trying
to think of stuff of dak caliber, right, Like, well,
that's the only way you're gonna bring in people that
are not already subscribed.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
I think at this point EA and Microsoft competitors, well,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
They yeah, yeah they are, But that's that's gonna be
a interesting Like how long do they keep up Battlefield
six off the off the service?

Speaker 3 (28:07):
I don't everyone in the service?

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Oh will they released the stuff even within a year?
That was take forever? Like I'm pretty sure splip fiction
will show up, but it's definitely not coming until like
next year or something where they where they've gotten all
the scales out of it.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Split Fiction is in direct competition with one of their
core franchises, I.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Agree, But you know they're paid they already. It's some
deal that they have where you know, nobody's even talked about, oh, well,
they had to pay something for renewal or whatever. I
don't know how long of a deal they they signed
for that, but you know, there's I actually have a
few friends that the only reason that they subscribe to
game Pass is because of the EA play stuff, which

(28:50):
is amazing to me because you could literally just describe
to EA plays separately. But you know, yeah, it is,
it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Why pay twenty five bucks or twenty bucks and you
can just pay nine for it instead, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
And it's also really funny because like you can tell,
I mean, they still can't Connecty'll never know to get
away with it, but you can tell Microsoft wants to
charge for online play for PC.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Oh no, I mean I think they already tried to
do that and they said they pretty much people said no, right,
Like I just don't. Yeah, it's they're just not gonna
do that. I think the only reason that the only
reason that that was not increased is because they have
to give people that just bought the rog ally and

(29:41):
rog ally X an incentive. Right, you can't make that
also thirty dollars because then it's like, do that this
bought this one thousand dollars machine, and now you're gonna
tell me that I can't I have to pay another
thirty dollars to be able to the thing that you're

(30:01):
like making a big deal about having your service. Right, Yeah,
if it wasn't for those But I do think that
that also shows that they are at the point where
they're not trying to get anybody else in even with PC.
I think they feel like they've hit the maximum of
PC as well, and they're just at this point just

(30:22):
trying to get the most money out the people that
are there.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, but everyone. I mean over the weekend in the
past week, you've seen I've seen dozens of people canceling,
and you know that the site for canceling broke down,
got overloaded.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
I mean also, as Keith brought up when they were
talking about on spectator mode forrouder Haven, Microsoft does know
how to they could also make that crash on purpose
to tread from canceling.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
But like, if it doesn't work today, they'll just cancel tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
It's not right, But then it won't be such a
big deal if it doesn't crash every day, right, Like
you won't really know unless somebody announces themselves that they're canceling.
So I'm just saying I do think that that probably
was caused by legitimate people actually canceling, not saying not.
But it's not like Microsoft couldn't have gone, oh, you

(31:16):
know what, let's just make this like go down. So
but no, I do think it's funny because they're never
gonna tell us anyway, right, So it's like it doesn't
really make a difference. It's not like they're gonna come
out and go, oh yeah, ten million people unsubscribed. They
don't even tell us the freaking number of how many people?

(31:38):
How many people actually subscribe now it's going on crafty,
So I mean that's kind of the problem, right is
part of it is, well, if they would have been
telling us what the subscribers are, we could kind of
make an estimate.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
But I mean, he already knows their guests or you know,
the popular guess.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
It's like thirty five millionsubscribers.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, that's from the last time they ever told us anything.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Okay, remember when Phil said a few years ago, like
we want a billion subscribe one to two billion subscribers.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
It's like, yeah, it was one hundred million was the
target or whatever?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Right, Yeah, I mean that was like the initial one.
But he said like, oh, you know, there's gonna be
three billion gamers in the world or whatever, and then
we want one to two billion.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
It's like, good luck with that.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, that was never I don't think he ever said
he wanted to win billion subscribers to game Pass. I
don't think that was ever gonna happen. Even Netflix doesn't
have anything close to that, Like you know, like I honestly,
for me, it's this is the problem with this is
that you're not growing anywhere, right, your consoles are.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Dead or something.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
You're you've prized people out of your consoles, so now
you're anybody that had an entry point. This was the
only entry point that is available. That's why they put
cloud on like every tier because that's essentially the only
way people are going to be able to get in
now is with the app and connecting a controller to
the Unless you have a PC again, Like we said

(33:16):
that can run the games that are the most important games, right.
And what's weird is that I get it like in
a way, if all the stuff that Microsoft says is
going to come out next year actually comes out next year,
you might have some months where hm, damn, you know,

(33:36):
like all Fables coming out and Force, the Horizon six
and the Halo one remaster and all that. It's like, damn,
do I buy this thing for seventy dollars or would
I just go rent it for thirty or whatever? And
it's like, it does make you think. And let's say
if they have some other games that come out in

(33:57):
that same month, and it does make you go, oh, okay,
all right. But I think for the most part, a
lot of people had this as oh, it's twenty bucks,
I'll just keep subscribing and then whenever I want to play,
it's already there, and I'll just play when I want.
Right now, when you're at thirty, this is what's gonna

(34:18):
happen with me. I'm not gonna describe a month anymore.
I'm gonna wait until they tell you what's coming out,
and then I'm gonna look at it and go if
there's at least three or four games that I really
want to play, I'll resubscribe again. If not, then I'll
just stay at the like essential like I like I
do with PS Plus, where I just stay at the

(34:38):
essential until there's a game.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
You know what you do, you don't subscribe at all,
and eventually those games will go down on price anyway,
and then you just buy them. Right.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
But for the sake of this show, we kind of
do need to stay up on games sort of, right,
And I don't also feel like reviewing every like every
other thing that comes out too, So it's like.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, but your situation in particular is like, Okay, you
finished that ah Mafia game, right, what's the last, like
not indie game you finished?

Speaker 1 (35:19):
It's been a while because most of the stuff that
I play is indies what you which is also why
XBOS game Pass works for me because a lot of
the stuff I do play is indies, so it like
allows me to go, Okay, that's stuff I don't have
to go and think about buying or whatever. And so
you you start adding up the amount of money and
you go, oh man, now I have enough to go

(35:40):
buy Digitmond, Time Stranger or whatever.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
You know, it's like, well, but you you pinball around
from game to game without finishing a ton of stuff.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Right, But that's also what game Pass allows you to do,
and for twenty month that's really not that big a deal.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
It makes it trains people to think of games as
disposable and that as Microsoft has just proven that's not
good based on Call of Duty sales.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Hey, But so to get into the actual like call
of Duty part of it, which came out over the
weekend after we had had the whole chaos of how
many people canceled all that stuff, Bloomberg Cecilia Denastasio came
out with a report where she said that they had
talked to various peopel within the company. We don't know

(36:35):
what their rank is or whatever, that said that they
lost three hundred million in sales potentially from putting Call
of Duty in game Pass, which is most likely part
of the reason why this increase has been so high,
because now Microsoft feels like we have, you know, cut

(37:00):
the golden goose quite a bit, so we gotta we
gotta spice us up somewhere. And also I wonder how
much they would not have gone up if they've been
able to win on the eighty dollars games. That is
also something else that I think people were not talking
about that much. Had they been able to win on
the eighty dollars games front, this wouldn't be that big

(37:23):
a deal because then you're still at that same level
of the twenty dollars versus the seventy, and they'd make
more revenue off of everybody that buys the game, because
now you're getting eighty dollars instead of seventy for anybody
that buys on an Xbox, and then however much it
is on the other consoles or PC whatever.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
There's two problems though.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
First day is it's only it's only at the moment
probably going to be two eighty dollar games, Mario Kart
World and GTA six. I agree the Outer Worlds too
would never fly as an eighty dollars game.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
But see this is where I think they could do
it for the six. I could see them do it
force a Riding six because people will buy that game.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
They're not eighty dollars. Tell us wait till it goes
on sale for year seventy.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
You could also subscribe a game pest at that point
it too, but it's the same.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
But yeah, but okay, but you're talking about like the
lifetime player or like the long term player of Force
Horizon six. They're not gonna spend three hundred and sixty
dollars a year to play Horizon six.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
No, they're not. I'm saying if they want to play
for that one month and then wait for for Riding
six to go down in price and then buy it,
they could do that, right. What I'm what I'm getting
at is they will try this again next year with
some game, whether it's for Our Riding six, whether it's Halo,
whether it's something.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Here's the other problem. They don't have an eighty dollars franchise.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
I think Forza is that friend to us that is
the number one franchise.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, okay, it's number one franchise, but it's still not
gonna be worth eighty dollars, not unless it is like
the most awesome version of Foza ever.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
And I don't which.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Five is already really hard to follow because Force rising
five to one game of the years for various places,
so that's gonna be hard to top already. I do
agree with you that they don't. I think in the
past you would have thought Halo would have been the one,
but it definitely it's not. Now they have a lot
to and you definitely can't charge regardless of whether how

(39:36):
much you pretty up that game, it's still Halo one.
I don't think there's no way you can charge eighty
dollars for that. E Days looks like it's gonna be
a shorter experience, so definitely, I don't think they can.
And I don't think as much as people have been
waiting on Fable, I don't think they would do a
Fili either, because they don't want people to not play
the game. They want people to play that game. So

(39:58):
that's why I think because use fours, Horizon five did
so well even on PlayStation, if they try with one game,
it's possible that they could get away with it with
fours and Horizon five. If not, you don't have to
wait to like if Elder Scroll six whenever that comes.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Out, Horizon se I mean, I think Elder the only
game uh that.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
They could dry it with.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
But even though it's kind of a gamble like, because
who knows if it's actually gonna be good or not
like you would assume it would be. But other games
have come out and failed that you thought were going
to be good as well. So who knows. Yeah, it's
but like to the larger problem of game Pass. Okay,

(40:44):
they spent all this money on buying Activision primarily for Caldudy.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
I mean they had other.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Reasons, but for that, right, and they were I think
they were anticipating, like always going to drive game Pass
sales descriptions, and it didn't. And it's like, even even
if everyone who had Game Pass played Call of Duty,
it still wouldn't have mattered because you're not You're not like,

(41:12):
how is that generating new income? It's just generating income
period or you know, it's not like I mean.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
No, Okay, so they Matt Biscuitella actually came out and
said that the revenue for the game, like people playing
it on game Best actually bought more uh micro transactions.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah, I was just gonna say that, like but not
not everyone is buying skins or you know, gun ship
or you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Like yeah, what they're saying is that they lost sales
of the actual game because all these people essentially rented
it right at the skins they wanted to buy, played
whatever they were going to play out of it, and
then said, oh, well, I'm not going to buy it
because I already played the amount that I wanted to
play out of it. So I can see what they're saying.

(41:59):
But also I think there you can't directly equate one
to one. I played Call of Duty Black Ops six.
I thought it was a great game. I was never
gonna buy that game. I played it because it's in
game pass. That is what a lot of people, all
the people that are bitching on the internet right now,
most of those people do not play Call of Duty

(42:19):
on the regular. They played it because it was in
game pass, and then they also didn't buy the game.
So you know what, I wonder how much you know,
I know, Phil was probably thinking about it from the
perspective of, Okay, this will get people to subscribe a
game pass, to stay subscribed and all that stuff too.
But I wonder if anybody got in the room with

(42:42):
Amy Hood and Satin Nadella and all that stuff and
told him, Yo, if you guys put this in game pass,
get ready to lose sales. You may want to think
about it. And then somebody goes, well, we have to
because we told them that it's going to be all
the games in game Pass or whatever, and it's like,

(43:04):
you know if you put the asterisk there that it's
never going to come to premium within a year. Couldn't
you have also done that for Ultimate and just said, look,
this will include all the games but Call of Duty,
and then you don't have to increase the price. But like,
I think that way, you don't have to increase the

(43:26):
price so much. You could have done just twenty five
or even less because you're not including the cash cow.
And thenfore you could have said, hey, look we tried it,
but for what we got we got out of it,
it just wasn't worth it to us. So if you
want to play Call of Duty this year, you have
to buy it like everybody else. And I think people
would have talked shit, but I think in the end

(43:49):
we kind of everybody would have understood because it's like,
this is not really good for the industry if this
goose gets cooked, because it's like one of the top
leading games that you need to sell. Also, it's a
really bad look when eighty two percent of the people
that played this game bought it on PlayStation and everybody
else is playing it on game pass. Like I don't know,

(44:13):
it's just Look, it's money either way from Microsoft. But
if you're making this big deal about you lost three
hundred million in sales, I don't know if putting Black
Ops seven also in the service is gonna help you.
But you know whatever, they might just feel like they're
just they have to. They're like tied to it. You know.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, it's called an albatross.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
But it's also bad that like probably also helped. The
Battlefield six has got all this momentum. The reviews are
about to come out. I don't know if it's tomorrow
or the day after, because I already know my friend
that at Auto Haven that reviewed it, he's already guided
in the queue. I don't know if it's supposed to
go live tomorrow or not, but it will. It's you know,
it comes out on the tenth that comes out this week,

(44:58):
so you know, if that thing hits the way that
it looks like it's gonna hit. And it was already
this beta for Call of Duty Black Ops seven they
just had this week got like really low buzz, right,
it's probably not gonna help at all.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
So that's why I say that EA Microsoft are competitors.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, no, for sure they are. That's gonna be. That's
gonna be fun to see how that works. Yeah, to
to like get bossed out by Battlefield, you know, and
your game's coming out in a month. I wonder if
there's gonna be any reports of like them scrambling trying
to say, oh, we're trying to put this mode in there,
that Battlefield as all that stuff. That's gonna be some

(45:47):
interesting bands are back and forth before we get to
the I guess I don't know. They let them play
like what seven days early to like November seventh, whenever
that game hits the early access thing for Call of Duty.
But yeah, look, I think really what this is is
now you're gonna the only people that I think are

(46:08):
gonna wind up staying subscribed are like the ones that
just they play. This is the way that they interact
with games. Right, you only have an Xbox, and the
way that you interact with games is essentially anything that
gets put on game Pass because you don't really have
a lot of money to go out and buy, you know,

(46:29):
even the one triple A game that you want or whatever,
so you just wait for it to come in game Pass,
or you wait for it to go on the big
sale it's it really made people. It's like the same
thing that you know happens with the streaming services when
now with the with ESPN and going with their whole

(46:51):
channel over to to with the Hulu and Disney thing,
and that's like thirty bucks, right, But for me, I
watched Hulu all time and I watch ESPN obviously, So
for me, it was even though I don't like it,
it was easier for me to say, oh, I can
make that thirty dollars a month thing for that, because

(47:12):
there's two things that I watch constantly, and you know,
I don't really mess with Disney Plus that much. But
at some point Hulu's gonna get eaten by Disney Plus,
like within the next year, so down, yeah, like next
year it's shutting down essentially, They're just gonna slowly phase
it in or whatever. But like, uh, what's Netflix. My

(47:34):
whole family uses it, right, So it's something I can
justify the thirty dollars for. But it's it gets very
difficult to justify the thirty dollars when let's say there's
just that one Indian that I want to play. Oh, well,
now I can just go buy the indie and I'm
not going to play anything else that came out on

(47:55):
the thing. So I'll just go down to the Central
tier and wait, you know, and I think a lot
of people are going to do that. You're gonna go
down to Essential, or they're gonna go down to Premium
and they're just gonna sit there and they're not going
to subscribe to the Ultimate tier. It really is about
how much do you value those Day one games and
how much can they consistently put out games? You know,

(48:18):
are you going to be able to put out a
clear up Scure Expedition thirty three every month to people
I don't know. No, they're not. I'm saying they're not
going to be able to. But if you space out
your games that you know are coming, which we know
there's at least three, if not at least three, if

(48:39):
not five, because we also got Clockwork Revolution that looks great,
that's supposed to be coming next year, if you can
space all that out and not have it all be
jumped up in the same month because you didn't really
plan this out very well. Like I still don't understand
why they had to have Oblivion Remaster come out two

(48:59):
days for Clare Obscurity put this in thirty three, Like
you could have spaced that out and had that come
out later, and you gave somebody another reason again to
stay subscribed for another month or whatever. So like, whoever's
doing all this planning with these seventy five games, you
gotta kind of like, do this better. Try to get
people to stay subscribe more often. If not, you're gonna

(49:22):
lose a lot of this revenue. And I wonder how
much you lose before they hit the button and go,
oh man, this process increase was worth it. We're not
really getting what we thought we're gonna get out of it.
They had to do some kind of internal like mumbo
jumbo about well how many can we lose? And it's
gonna be interesting to see if they ever get to

(49:44):
that point, if we ever get any kind of report
about them getting to that point.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Here's the problem is now it's a bad cycle because
they're trying to squeeze more money out of the people
who are supposed to describing, right, which is causing people
to not subscribe, which will then cause them to squeeze
even more money on the people that are still left,
which you know, a to be back to a you know,

(50:10):
so yeah, right, did you talk about the game pat
the free cloud thing.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah I did, Yeah, we did. It doesn't surprise me,
Like it's the way all streaming services are at this point.
You have the ads here, and.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
You have the not adds here, But to not add
here doesn't mean for the AD tier doesn't make you
the AD here, Like doesn't let me need only five
hours a month?

Speaker 1 (50:37):
No, that's the free right they're gonna have. The g
Force now has the same thing you you pay for
how quickly you can get into the service, how how
good it is, and it you know, they're suchly gonna
do the same thing. They're gonna they're gonna have a
system where it's like, oh, well, if you want unlimited play,

(51:01):
there's game pass right, subscribe to one of those tiers
if you want to be able to play your game
for you know, an hour or whatever. I think right now,
what it is is like it lets you play four
five hours or if a certain amount of time before

(51:22):
you get an AD, and then you know you have
to play again for some amount of time if you
get an AD, but they're gonna preload it with two
minutes of ADS orforehand. So kind of like how Peacock
does that. When you watch a movie, it does like
six minutes of ads or something, and then you can
watch a whole movie without getting bothered. Again, it doesn't

(51:45):
the only problem with that is that at some point
we know it's going to creep in to Oh this
worked on the the free so essential. You know, you
guys are just the bottom tiers, So why don't we
introduce like ads into the cloud for that.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
That's what Prime Video did, and I think versions of
Netflix as well.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah, well Prime Video exactly. It's like you have to
pay three bucks extra if you don't want ads, you know.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Right, But also like the free and video a g
force now thing doesn't limit me, doesn't limit you only
five hours a month.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
No, it doesn't, but there's you know it does cap.
I think like how well.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Caps like an hour an hour long gaming section a day,
which yeah, that's actually fine. And also I like I
saw something that like you have to like actually audibly
say the product for the Microsoft thing, so if it's
advertising Doritos or something like, say Doritos, so they can

(52:52):
like recognize that you watch the ad or paying attention
as opposed to when you're just taking a dump and
waiting for the two minute thing to go back. I don't.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
We'll have to actually see if that's a thing or
not like that that would be very interesting to know
if they actually make you.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Watching. I think it showed you like there's an old
Sony trademark for like this basically where it's going to
show you an ad for like McDonald's and you have
to like say McDonald's for the kind of like you know, subscribe,
not subscribe, but for to pass you, right, And that
was like two thousand and nine, and that obviously didn't
actually happen, thankfully. Yeah, but like you could see it.

(53:32):
You could see it happening. I mean, it's just like
I'll just say to the clip from Murdy Player one
with the evil guys, like, oh you can when you
finally introduce ads into the end of the VR game,
into the oasis, you can?

Speaker 1 (53:46):
You know it?

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Only eighty percent of the screen cut was covered with ads.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Right, you know. And it also just this wasn't a
good look because as I've shown you the different clips
if you're watching on video, they kind of made this
scene like this was a good thing and not like
the way they've been at the other times where it's like, oh,
we're sorry, we're having to do this and whatever.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
It's like, let me ask you who is that woman?

Speaker 1 (54:17):
No, it's just somebody they hired.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
It's not I thought it like because it wasn't Tara
Bond obviously, No it was not. And I was just
like she's like, yeah, the video started and she's like, oh,
we're upgrading.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah. I don't know if it's a PR person that
we just never seen their face.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
So I was thinking, like, I was thinking one or
two things. One it's like an AI person like you know,
which would be kind a fun. And the other other
thing I was thinking was this is actually like she's
being held hostage by Microsoft, and this is her attempt
to like, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
No, I mean it is. It was striking to me
that like, this is how bad they year. It was
that none of the Big three, one of their names
attached to that, right, you know, like you know, Sarah
bon Phil Spencer, Mad Booty or nowhere to be seen
on this thing saying oh, but hey, we're giving you this.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
And I should have They should have hired back Jay
Allen for just for Instaday and had him do it.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Yeah, what's also just you know, kind of like funny
about the whole thing is like I think Sarah Bond
did an interview like two days before this saying about
about game passing profitable and all that again, and then
it's like, oh, here here goes to the price increase. Look,
they can they can, like we've talked about before, they

(55:39):
can fiddle with the books all they want to make
it be profitable. If you really included all the things
that you needed to include, I don't think there's a
way in the world you could say it was because
of how much they spent on cold duty alone, not
to mention the other stuff. Right, But at the end

(56:01):
of the day, once you go around telling people you
made five billion off game pass and then you up
the price of something, it just makes you look bad.
It makes you look like, here we are this greedy
company that is trying to get look, and all companies
are like, look, no company is your friend. Every company

(56:23):
wants to just get the most money out of you
they possibly can. Let's be fair about this, right, Nintendo
is number one about this. If we're gonna be frank
about it, like, none of these gaming companies.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Give a shit.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Maybe Valve, maybe Valve cares about like the sanctity of
their I don't know their store, but even then, it
wasn't until somebody, like some stupid group came around saying
we don't want, you know, sexualized stuff. Then they started

(56:58):
taking that shit down. And even then they still have
people that they have their answer to. So it's not
like gave Newell's God and nobody can tell them, oh, dude,
you can have whatever you want on this store. But
it's just like it really shows that Microsoft has completely
done the full three sixty. Not to mention the three sixty.

(57:19):
You're gonna be playing a year if you say subscribe
to Ultimate Ye, the the we don't. We are now
just a corporation and are front facing awesome people that
you know and love are only going to show up
and we have something good to announce. Uh, they're gonna

(57:40):
all talk like corporate spokespeople now, They're not gonna be
talking like they're your buddies that are trying to give
you all the great games and whatever, because dude, we
have never sarved. Phil Spencer talk about how they have
to be making all this money for Microsoft the way
he has lately, it's like, dude, total one eight where

(58:00):
he's just become another corporate guy that has to talk,
and it's just it's so weird. It's so jarring compared
to the way he used to go out and and
act like he's just your uncle gamer that that wants
to tell you about all these great games that are
coming Xbox. But it just shows that Microsoft is now

(58:20):
in control. And you know what, honestly, these people don't
really understand gaming, and Soathia's got his head fully into
the AI and he don't doesn't get too shit about this.
Or you could just say in the clouds whatever that
that's what they care about right now, is clouds AI

(58:44):
all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Here's a problem with that, bet is AI is still
kind of a bubble.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
As you've said.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Yeah, if that verse, I feel so bad for everybody
else because they're about to They're gonna be figuring out
how to make money. I'm pretty sure the Xbox division
will be hit big time if they have to recoup
some of that investment that they spent in AI and
it blows up, you know.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
I mean it's been rumored off and on for years now.
They should just sell Xbox, spend it off.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
I don't think they would at least not now.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Not now, but it should have back then.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Here's the thing too with this, you know, so there
was a rumor that also happened over the weekend that
came from a source that supposedly knows a lot of
people inside Microsoft or whatever. He's reported on some things
for steak Er, so whatever Tom Warren was even covering
for him and everything. He was saying that essentially, you know,
pretty think that layoffs are coming next year is not

(59:47):
anything out of this realm. But you know, he said, Okay,
there's gonna be layoffs, There's there's gonna be certain franchises
that you know, they're never gonna touch now they're gonna
focus on the main ones. And then the main thing
was that essentially the hardware is dead right, that we're
gonna hear more announcements which could happen right, more retailers

(01:00:11):
saying they're no longer going to stock Xbox, and then
which I'm gonna be honest here, Sam's and Costco are
pretty big, that's that's no joke from a global perspective,
But how many people really go to Costco and SAMs
to buy games? You go to Costco and SAMs to
buy the bundle of the console. And that's kind of it,

(01:00:34):
you know what. I'm just saying, like, that's not if somebody,
if somebody said Walmart is no longer carrying Xbox, which
which I'm not going to disagree that that may not
happen at some point because Walmart really does care about
their retail space and if nobody's gonna buy the Xbox,
they will. They have no problem just saying, you know what, Microsoft,
this thing ain't ain't working, you know, so really that

(01:00:58):
wouldn't surprise me. But the thing that is difficult to
say is number One, you made that deal with AMD
just recently. Number Two, all of your cloud infrastructure is
based on the consoles. Right now. The consoles are running

(01:01:19):
the Xbox cloud that you want to be the next
big thing, So you would essentially have to undo all
of that and somehow make it run off just servers
or whatever you're gonna do. So you need the console
for that. So if you're not going to make any
consoles at all, which I do believe that story of, Like, okay,

(01:01:41):
if this gets to the point where nobody cares about Xbox,
why would rog or a sus or somebody else just
go oh, let's make essentially a steam Box, but with
Xbox on it. Like if somebody is if they're going
to make a box, it's Xbox, it is gonna make it.

(01:02:02):
Microsoft will make it. But it won't be that traditional
Xbox that we're used to think. It's gonna be like
a PC essentially, and they'll just make different versions of
that PC and they will sell you that. I don't
know how they're gonna make it work with the Xbox
console so that you can still use all your old
discs and whatever, or at least have the rights to

(01:02:25):
your Xbox digital purchases that you bought that are Xbox console.
They'll have to figure that out obviously, but uh, you know, well,
I mean I just think that you're gonna you're gonna
kill the rest of the good will and then if
you don't have, if you don't have the people that
are still subscribed to game Pass buying your next console

(01:02:47):
might as well just not even bother. And the only
way you're gonna do that is you have to get
all those games that people own right now to still
work on that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Next gotta be a liquid with the PSP. And when
they went to the Vita, when you can like nail
them in your Xbox games and they'll give you the
digital codes for them.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Maybe no, no, Like okay, I could see how they
they can maybe say, okay, well the discs don't work,
we'll do They'll figure out something whatever. They'll give you,
like a gift card equivalent or I don't know what
they'll do with that. But like, if you're going to
tell people that even the digital purchases of those games
don't work, you know, like that's I think where people

(01:03:30):
are gonna go, Dude, I can't play my three sixty games.
And all y'all have been talking about is how you
have a whole h team that does backwards compatibility and
all that stuff and whatever. They'll be like, I'll just
keep my series console and just forget you're this next thing, right,
you know, Like it's just I will believe it when

(01:03:52):
somebody from actual Microsoft says they're not making hard work anymore,
and so which they did say that. Uh, there was
a post person that talked the Jazz Coordinate Windows Central
that said they are still working on consoles that Microsoft
is making themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
So here's two things I'll say. One, he said it'll
kill the remaining goodwill that Microsoft has.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
What goodwill?

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
I'm just saying any Xbox person that only owns an Xbox,
which I'm sure it's rare at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
And the other thing is I saw the other thing
about like, oh, the reason one of the reasons that
that the Xbox made handheld got killed was because A
and D wanted Xbox to like make ten ten million
chips for it or likes the order number. That's nuts, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
That was part of believe Like I don't know that
they know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
I believe it on am d's part. Like I and
if that's the case, like AMD was right to kill
that thing because I think like the scheme Dick has
only sold five million less.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Like Les and Rogs want to sold like two million
at the most, So they haven't even made ten millions together, right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Yeah, So if that's the case, yeah, they should have
killed it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Like the only like, honestly, the only ones are that
could do ten million are the Switch two and which
they've probably already really close to doing at this point,
and Sony if they really do that. PlayStation six is
you know, a docted console.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Well here's the thing, is, like you know, the switch
to is easy because it's then a Nintendo console and
that's being sold in a bunch of stores, like the
Steam Deck. I'm the fact that it hits five million
is kind of surprising.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Or yeah, the Steam Deck only online?

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Yeah, because you can't just go into like the best
Buy or one more to buy that thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
So, right, the rog I think is the best buy and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Yeah, but considering how like bad best buys do in
these days.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Yeah, and it does say something that like Microsoft was
able to get Walmart to carry the regular Xbox ally
or whatever. Best Spy I think is the only one
that has the l i X right, but what's up
to you? Yeah, it does say something about how all
this is is going. It's just all of this is

(01:06:24):
a bad look. It just continues the bad press for
Microsoft to just I don't know, it's everybody's going to
be now keyed in on how well Battlefield does in
a couple of days, and now they have a whole
month to just build up HiPE, build up HiPE, and
then when Call of Duty Black Ops seven comes, how

(01:06:46):
people are going to be playing that, how they're going
to be interacting with that? You know, are there any
more reports about they're not happy with game Pass killed
even more sales of Black Ops seven. Like, you know,
the thing is, if we've seen games get hyped up,
like have them with hell Divers too, you get enough
people that, oh, Battlefield it's awesome, you gotta play Battlefield whatever,

(01:07:12):
Battlefield becomes the the hit game.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Yeah, you know, I got all Microsoft problems though, and
it's three words, husion frenzy three yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Is that that's gonna be the thing. And also I
should have mentioned they also killed the ten percent discount
that you get on the DLC yeah for Game Pass games,
which okay, look ten percent of like you know, ten
bucks or whatever. They they they shoved it into the

(01:07:49):
rewards program that they essentially capped now where you could
only spend a certain amount on game So you can
only spend a certain amount that goes towards Game Pass
and you cannot you can't actually redeem it for game
Pass directly. Uh, it's only like yeah, yeah, so like

(01:08:12):
there's only a certain amount that you're gonna get even
on Ultimate Tier by just doing the normal things that
you do to get points, right, like so like playing
games and and all that the rest of it has
to be by spending money so there you go. They're
getting you to spend money again. And then also they
removed the three month and yearly availability to buy it.

(01:08:33):
That way, you have to buy month a month now
unless you already have you know, stuff saved up or whatever.
So that's another thing. Another way, how they have removed
any kind of like oh, let's let's give them a
discount here or whatever. No, you're not getting any discounts.
It will cost what it's going to cost, to the
point where Game Stop came out and was like, hey,

(01:08:57):
you can go right now to our store and you
can still buy Ultimate for twenty bucks if you want
whilst you know, whilest applies last.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
So that was funny. I wonder how many people actually
did that, because you can just buy a much of
those cars and then you just sit there and and
just wait till it expires and then just do it again,
and you know, so you can't do the whole where
you stack anymore. But I think that's that's part of

(01:09:30):
the problem that Microsoft had as well. Like Sony caught
onto that really fast when they made the switch over
to PS plus the way it is now and they
were like, yo, we're limiting the amount you could stack
or whatever. Microsoft was like, oh, dude, here's the dollar
you can just whatever, and then he was sacked up
like three years, four years. It's like, dude, how do

(01:09:54):
you expect people to ever pay for this thing if
you just let him have it for like four years
for free? Essentially, like y'all are y'all are nuts. You're
just trying to get the number and then be able
to tout that over to your investors and go, oh,
we got thirty million, but ten million of those people
are paying a dollar, so you know whatever, that's on

(01:10:14):
you man at that point too. But uh okay, I
think we've kind of hit everything that was everything when it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Comes to this until until until tomorrow and at least
some fresh new hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Well, also the Lena Khan from the former FTT chairman
trying to do and I told you so when it's
like listen, everybody is doing layoffs. You don't think YEA
is good about to have layoffs as soon as that
deal goes through. You were out of your mind, lady.
That's the first thing that's going to happen. Not excusing

(01:10:52):
any of that, but just that's an industry white problem.
We have two stories today, whether it's layoffs for smaller studios,
one of them also caused by Microsoft sort of well
kind of directly really, but so yeah, I should have

(01:11:14):
mentioned the avalanche that was working on Contraband. They had
to wind up closing the Liverpool studio and they had
to lay off people at some of their other studios
sort of directly because they were working on Contraband that
then got canceled.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
That sucks. I feel bad for that those teams, you know,
I hope they find work. Also, sadly, a game that
I liked a lot is don't like that kind of music,
but Metal Heal Singer Studio had to close because Funcom
had layoffs their parent company obviously, and that's that's kind

(01:11:54):
of sad as well. Just to again prove that point
that this is still an industry problem. This is still
the tariffs are very real. I think, what's this. Jerome
Power came out like not too long ago, a you know,
I think, like a week ago and said, like, yo,
companies are eating the tariffs right now. There's a lot

(01:12:15):
of them that are, but it's gonna get to the
point where they're not. And I think the terriffs is
supposed to go up like ten more like in a
little bit, so like you know, that's the thing is,
Shit's already hard, bro, It's already hard to to make
sure you can put food on the table. It's already

(01:12:35):
hard to be able to make sure you can pay
all your bills you got to pay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
They're forgetting to be needlessly hard because there's all this
bullshit isn't needed.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
But well, I'm just saying, like this stuff is all
all luck. I mean, if there's ever more proof that
gaming is becoming a luxury than it was already, but
it's even more so. You know, this kind of paints
the picture that a lot of people have been talking
about lately, where it's it's like we're starting to price
out a lot of people. And I think they showed

(01:13:08):
that there was a study that showed like the affluent
gamer is like essentially keeping up gaming where it is
because they're the ones buying everything and almost everybody else
is on like some free to play game or something
that's not costing a lot of money, or they're you know,
doing Steam. Like right now we have the Steam Autumn Sale.

(01:13:29):
People are I'm sure taking advantage of that right now.
So yeah, just I Lena Khan also just shouldn't be
doing I told you so, because you couldn't even come
up with an actual argument that made sense. If you
would have actually, you know, came up with an argument

(01:13:49):
that made sense and not made it all about call
of duty, you might have had a shot at actually
winning the thing, but you you took them on tactic
and lost. So right, that's the problem. And also, I
guess just one positive thing if you're a big fan
of Prototype, there's apparently more information about there's going to

(01:14:12):
be a Prototype remaster being worked on by Iron Galaxy,
which of course did the twenty Hawk three and four remaster,
so if you've been looking up, and they had a
like update on Steam recently as well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
So, yeah, it broke some of the mods to get
you know, the goods game working on modern computers, but
I think they could right already.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
But I mean, that was a good game. People sort
of liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
It's okay, but like, who's dying for that game?

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
You know, nobody?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
That's a uh, at least sixteen seventeen year old game. Yeah,
and they already poured it over to like the PS
four or Xbox one. You know a two years ago
with that, right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
But I guess now they're going to make a PS
five in the series X versions. Great, you know, like, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Not I guest in there, but I mean Microsoft, I mean,
and I'll own Crackdown and part time so they can
do a combo game.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Yes, why not? And also the there was more news
on the supposed Halo one remaster that Virtuals is apparently
working on it with them, so similar to the elder
Scrolls for Oblivion, even though that game had some issues
at least on PC for a while that they had

(01:15:36):
to fix. So, yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see
if it's an.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Older Scrolls game of course it has as.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Yeah, on a sad note for me, even though it
might be better because it takes out of this window
of October where I feel like they're just having everything
come out. Uh. One of them more anticipated indie games
of the year, Meana the Hollower, has been delayed, and
definitely by Yakoub Games. They're saying it's not a long one,

(01:16:05):
but just that they want to make sure the game
is going to be good and that you know, they've
gotten up to the point where they're supposed to come
out on Halloween, and they didn't feel like it was
going to be ready, so they delayed some and that
they will give you a new release state once they
have submitted it to you know, the consoles and and

(01:16:26):
PC to kind of like go gold or whatever at
that point, right as much other that happened, then have
it come out and it has problems or it's not
as great as it could be, and then you know
it deserves to have even though I think it can't
be up for Game of the Year because they're past
the line for Jeff, but you know it deserves to

(01:16:48):
beget you know, if it's going to be just as
good as as the Silk Songs and Hades two's and
all that, you know, it deserves to have its time
to you know. But all right, I think doing a
moving a little bit over to you be soft. They
officially mark the beginning of that new venture of Vantage Studios,

(01:17:17):
that of uh, I guess cool. I don't really know
what this essentially means other than whenever the next Farcry
game an Assassa's s Creed game comes out, it'll come
out under that instead.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Of you, I can tell you what it means. It
means the name is so damaged that they had to
do this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Well, yeah, for sure that we know that, but I'm
just saying, like I don't really know, like what does
this really allow them to do, because they still have
a lot of other things like ray Man is being
worked on with that's apparently supposed to stay in you
be soft, so like you know, uh, they're going to
facilitate stronger deeper connections being devote players and this streamlet

(01:18:01):
approchalized for both higher level autonomy for developers and a
shorter pathway between gathering implementing player feedback whatever that means. Also,
the saudis apparently paid for Assassin's Cree Mirage. They have DLC.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
That explains why I got TLC, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
And it's a free major update. It's called Valley of
Memory and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
A new city I think.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Yep. It's been developed in collaboration with Savvy Games, which
of course the and I apologize. I realized that I
think I may have been calling it the private investment
fund the whole podcast last week. It's the public the
Saudi Public Investment Fund. It's so uh that, yeah, they
made this happen, I guess cool for people that really

(01:18:50):
like the Assassas stream mirage that there's going to be
more content. Just kind of weird that you're making this
announcement that it's being done thanks to the public investment.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Like that game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
I don't think that game actually did well at least
over here, and yeah, who cares, And especially if it's
so late in the game, like Shadows has come out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Yeah, Shadows has come on and only had its first
DLC that you played.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Yeah, so then going like, oh, we're adding DLC to
a two year old Assassin Spreed game that a lot
of people played, It's like why would you do this?
And it's like all the sightings are doing are making
are you know, paying for it? It's like, okay, that
makes more sense then.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Yeah. But uh, one thing I forgot to mention when
we were talking about delays and stuff as well as
one that has closed the home for me, Rock Band
four has been delisted officially from stores.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
It will no longer be sold on the marketplace.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
I mean, at least it wasn't a digital game.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Right, Yeah, but I'm just saying like you're not going
to able to buy I don't know how long it's gonna
take them to if they're going to try to remove
it from actual physical stories or not. I know, James
stuff would unless you trade it in anyway, like when
it was first coming out as it was, because they
knew that that game essentially you can't play it unless

(01:20:22):
you have all the you have the instruments or whatever,
and at that point they weren't making any instruments really.
Now they do have the those guitars that they made
for Fortnite Festival and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
You have to buy one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
I'm I keep thinking of it, but I'm just like
I don't want to buy something and I don't use it,
and you know that's like that's a pretty penny. So
it's like it's one hundred something dollars, even though I
may just to be able to play some of the
songs because now it's like a ticking time clock of
all the songs all have a ten your window. The

(01:21:02):
last songs that were released or whatever. They'll be out
in twenty twenty thirty four and then they won't have
any new songs or whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
But still back to rock Band too, because you can
put in custom songs for that game, no problem.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Yeah, just just kind of said you know that we've
gone to that point where they never got to epic
Botam and then I thought it was gonna lead to it,
like maybe like they would revive it and nope.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Well they just they're something in a Fortnite instead, So.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Just makes me sad. But yeah, it's just kind of
the same, that same mo of like you're now you're
not gonna you can't buy the songs or whatever. But
it's just not the same, right, It's really meant for
you to play it the way that they have it,
where they kind of change the songs around and and

(01:21:51):
do all that stuff right on the PlayStation front. Not
a whole lot this week, Uh, just two things out
of the blue. They've decided to like cancel a lot
of the PlayStation the concert tour dates, the ones in
the US, all the ones for twenty twenty five have

(01:22:16):
been canceled, the ones in Atlanta, Cleveland, Detroit, Charlotte, all that.
There's still some for twenty twenty six. Uh, even the
ones that like New York and Chicago apparently have been
you know, uh, I think the one in Red Bank,
New Jersey that's supposed to be on November eleventh is
the only one that's that's still going and then they.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Yeah, Kevin Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Yeah, so if you were looking forward to that as
somebody that that had to miss the Final Fantasy One
that I had bought tickets to and then didn't get
to go, I know how that feels. Sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
I went to Atlanta to go to the Final Fantasy
One still didn't go.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
That was during COVID right like you had the right after.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
It was like right after or like ready to kind
of the tail end.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
But yeah, like right when they had reopened up everything
again and they thought they were going to do it
and then they closed it down again or yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
It was like the day after too.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
It was like I was doing like our tickets for
like the Faith and that one guy canceled with the
six was like that was that went on.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
But yeah, so aside from that they had us. It's
not officially announced by Sony even it's kind of like
one of those like according to a leaker that has
leaked stuff for Sony before, like the flight simulator coming
to PS five and older scrolls Oblivion also coming and
all that stuff that apparently there's gonna be a replaceable

(01:23:53):
battery that you're now going to be able to buy
separately for the dual Sense and also with allow for
third parties two essentially make these as well, so that
which happens a lot with the PS three controllers. Thankfully,
that PS four controller still works to this point. But

(01:24:15):
the PS three controller had the problem where like the
battery would just die. Uh and then of course they
don't make them separately, so like you have to sense
to go buy a whole other controller now you don't have.
You could just replace the battery inside the dole Sense
you already have, which would have said, you know, you
would imagine it would cost you less than just buying
another whole dual Sense, so you know, especially with what

(01:24:38):
dull Sense costs, like seventy five eighty dollars. Now if
you if say that's gonna be like fifty bucks instead
or hopefully less, that's a much better deal.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Yeah, I mean you can if you really want to
replace a battery and like a controller, they thing apart basically.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
And yeah, a lot of people don't want to do that, right, So.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
I don't know, have you ever actually had a problem though.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
I didn't, you know, I stopped using my PS three
once it started sounding like a jet.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Right, well, I mean like you with your controllers, you know, Like, no.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
I've not I've not had a I've had a problem
with the switch one, you know, the drift thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
I'm having a specifically battery problem though. No, I haven't
plugged in. Uh so it doesn't matter to me at all,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
I you know, to be honest, I wouldn't be able
to tell you what the PS five because I haven't
played that thing very much until I got the until
I played Digitmon Time Stranger, or not that until I
until Little Night Verse three. I really haven't had something
that I was playing that much on the PS five, uh,
the where I could say, oh, I felt like my

(01:25:56):
battery ran out really fast, right, you know? The so
I don't know I did, I did. I do feel
like the PS four one has issues or whatever when
when I had to use that PS four as my
like remote play controller because my phone didn't support Android

(01:26:20):
ten at that time. Now it does, so I can
use the dual sense if I wanted to. But yeah,
I've never really had an issue with the battery, just
like completely dying or whatever. Right, So I think the
only thing we have left is to talk about these

(01:26:41):
unique These are always that. So the Golden Joysticks are
one of the more uh like well known award shows, right,
the long running ones before we had the Game Awards
and and all that stuff. The Golden Joysticks were kind
of like one of the ones you put up there

(01:27:01):
with like dice and all that to be like, Okay,
these are kind of more legit, right, and they have
their own award show and that kind of thing, right,
But they also cut off earlier than everybody else, so
there's that too. But they put out their list of nominees,

(01:27:21):
it kind of goes as you sort of would expect
until you get to the two big ones, which they
separate PC and Console Game of the Year and PC
Game of the Year. They have all of Night Silk Song,
the Altars, Keenan Kinn, Deliverance Too Peak, which you know

(01:27:44):
that's a multiplayer game that's gotten a lot of big
on Steam Abeotic Factor as well, and then done Awakening,
No Schedule one, no Repo. I can't think of another
PC only game at this point. Also, like you know,

(01:28:07):
are we just shoving the Altars and can come Deliverance
Too in here? Just to say that they could get nominated,
because I wouldn't necessarily say that are they you know,
they're not totally PC games. A lot of people are
playing on my console too, so it's kind of weird.
But what any any kind of thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
I don't think so Tong should necessarily be in there.
But I guess I don't mind. I don't really care
what the Clovers too that either. Yeah, I guess good
for doing Awakening howing, But like the problem is, like
PC games, it's like it's either going to be Indie
crap or like RTS stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Right, Yeah, And then the console game of the Year
is Don y Kong Bonanza, Monster Hunter, Wilds Go Through Yote,
which had literally just come out or not even come
out at the time that they did this. The nominees
that's Stranding two on the Beach, Sonic Cross Worlds, and

(01:29:08):
Mario Kart World. Uh okay, then.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
How about No, I know, they Live.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Nominated Expission thirty three for like almost everything else except
for the end of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Honestly, for that console game, I cut out Monster Hunter.
I definitely cut out Sonic. I might even cut out
That's Stranding. And I like that one. I mean, I
don't get me wrong, but like it does.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
It could be. It's definitely deserves to be in there. Yeah,
goes through the hotel. Almost feels like they did it
just because it's like, oh, well, technically it was in
the cutoff time and we had to because it's the
one big Sony release or whatever. Right, And I get
it that some of the is like I guess Haiti

(01:30:01):
two gets its flowers with the indie game stuff, but
it's just kind of like weird, you know. Yeah, the
Sun a Cross was when I've heard a lot of
people like it, but damn, game of the year, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Cubes is the year I liked. I liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
Hey, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
You know, probably make my top fifteen game of the
year fifteen games I played.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
But yeah, and I was to be fair, I'm sorry
they put Schedule one and Repo in their best early
access thing, which, okay, that's fair if you're gonna have
it like that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Then I gets funny that Skate is in this late
early access as well, since you know it came out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Finally, I get yeah, I guess they felt like they
had to put something else in there, and maybe it's
like they ran out of right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Yeah, Expedition thirty three. Ah should be the console. I
mean it should be neither one. I'd say console.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
But so you didn't deem it an indie. You didn't
put it in best Indie Game, either self published or
you know, best Indie. But you also don't put it
in either of the Game of the Years. It's like, okay,
but you nominated for literally anything else, like Best Visual Design,

(01:31:24):
Best Storytelling, Best Audio Design. Uh, both both Bens Starr
and Jennifer e Bus get nominated for.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Yeah, voice performances. I actually that's the other thing. I
probably would actually cut up Ben Starr in that list,
or best Sportant Performer. I'd probably rather put in, uh,
the daredubl guy get his name?

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Oh, Charlie did Charlie cos Yeah, it's CALLI because Ben
stars in the you know is there is no Ben Star?
Is just there more. I don't want to give away
anything from people.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Sure, but I think Charlotte Cox did a point. I
think he did a better performance, and also like what
happens to him isn't is really interesting?

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Also like could literally I mean I feel like all
of them are great, Like CL's right voice ad thing
is great, Lune's voice sad thing is great, like all.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
Of them really mount forget Fifth Characters game.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
But oh the isn't that the one that's done by
the even the more famous one the Oh my god,
didn't he do what's his face from Lord of the
Rings or whatever?

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
Andy serkis.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Maybe yeah, so I mean, yeah, he does a great
job too. So it's like, I mean, that's that's definitely
one of the high points of that game, is it's
voice acting. But yeah, it's just kind of weird, yeah
that they.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
I mean, nothing nothing against son I honestly, like I
could see cutting Martyr Krt also, yeah, because like like.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
That that game came out, but it didn't seem to
like the world.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
And honestly, people are talking that Sonica is like miles
better than Mario Kart and like Marrik Kart. It feels
like people are just waiting for them to either announce
that they're doing more stuff with it, or it's like
people are kind of over it, Like they were over
it before Donkey Kong even came out, and they were like, oh,
thank god, Donkey Kong is here. There's finally the game
I really want to play. I'm not saying that like

(01:33:43):
there isn't like families playing Mark or whatever. But it's
just you know.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
The characters saying from expedition to the two is esk
and it was someone else.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
It wasn't ok esk Yeah circus So oh that's right,
I'm sorry esk is. I think that's I can't remember
right now who did what for everybody because there's a.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Lot of right, a lot of people don't really know,
no offense to them, but they're kind of more unknown
or more.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
The guy that did the the actual.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Like oh the performance before that motion caps or yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
The most cap he did one of the voices if
I'm not minna say, I just can't remember which one right,
But yeah, it's a This is gonna be a really
fun year for this for the Game of the Year,
Like what if people include what are they not? What?
You know? When you make these big lists, what if

(01:34:43):
people end up leaving off because there's so many other
great games when we make our top twenty five that's
going to be in there. So yeah, like I know,
Randy's probably gonna have a totally different list than to
both of us, so uh, and I'm sure we're gonna
have eight.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
He plays bad games at that baseball game.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
So okay, all right, So next week I will definitely
have some games to talk about, for sure, with all
the stuff I have on my play here, Mark, I'm
sure we'll have some other Tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
I'm playing to hit up a new a new game
store my talent. I want to see how that goes.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Yeah, there you go. And definitely there are some games
coming out this week. We've already talked about some of them,
but as we always do end it with but the
games that are coming out, one game that we do
know is Hitting Game Pass, and the early part of

(01:35:45):
October is Sopa Telo, the Stole and Potato that's like
a narrative an adventure game that's actually only coming to
Xbox and PC. King of Meat also comes out today
or tomorrow whenever you're listening to this. That's it's like
a big party game, this indie party game that's getting
a lot of hype right now. There's a Dungeons and

(01:36:06):
Dragons Stranger Things deal that's coming out as as I'm
saying this. Absolom, which is the dot Mu you know,
original IP beat him Up game that's also got a
lot of hype behind it as well. That comes out

(01:36:26):
on the ninth to everything except Xbox. So there's one
for that that you don't see very often now, Boss
Week Carol, which looks like a looks like it could
be Alice in Wonderland. The way it's animated, it's definitely
looks like a Disney movie animation with like a narrative

(01:36:47):
game that looks really cool. It's coming to everything the
last side. Dolan's like DLC is coming on the ninth
as well, and you get the Yuku replay is coming
also one the nine, uh, to everything, and then Battlefield
six it's coming to PC, Xbox and PlayStation. Uh. That's

(01:37:11):
gonna be the big game everybody's gonna talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
I'm sure yea.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
So also a Little Nightmares three comes to everything including
switch To on the same day, along with Little Nightmares
Enhanced Edition. I don't know why they need to have
both of those come out the same day, but whatever.
And also the Saga Steven Complete comes to switch To,
which I've heard is pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
It's still making disguise fit.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
Yeah, and there's a Snoopy game as well, if you
totally are on the other side of the spectrum. Snoopy
and the Great Mystery club coming everything as one of
the lots of stuff there, but all right if we
don't have anything else. Thank you everybody for watching, listening.

(01:38:00):
We'll see you next week, same time, same Please like, subscribe,
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