December 21, 2024 • 27 mins
🎙️📚 Revolutionizing Psychology with Amy Twilegar! 🧠✨ Join us as we dive into the groundbreaking work of Amy Twilegar, author of Psychology Within the Context of Psychiatry: Closing the Translational Gap. From her research on adult ADHD to her vision for the field of Translational Developmental Psychobiology, Amy’s passion for science and education shines through. 🌟 Discover her journey, aspirations, and the critical insights her work brings to mental health. A conversation you don’t want to miss! 🚀🔬 #TransformingPsychology
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Speaker 1 (03:14):
You live in the next Let's get this started.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
All right? All right? Again, Welcome to the show. You're
listening to VRL. That's Vigilantes Radio live right here on iHeartRadio,
and I am your host, Dini. Our interviews are designed
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and sometimes even past that thing that we call the ego.
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Our interviews are designed to go behind the scenes and
into the minds of these awesome human beings, you know,
the ones who are out there giving it. They're all
for me, for you, and for the world. Well, this evening,
we welcome a trail blue in the fields of psychology
and psychiatry. Amy Twilger, a researcher, author, and aspiring professor,
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is reshaping how we understand adult ADHD and developmental psychology
with her book Psychology within the Contexts context of Psychiatry,
Closing the translational gap. Amy offers transformative insights into mental health,
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diagnosis and treatment. So you know, her dedication to research
and education is paving a way for a new era
and psychological science. So please join me in saying welcome
friend to Amy. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Hi. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Are you good in yourself I'm doing great. Thank you absolutely, Amy.
Welcome to the show again. What's been on your heart
and mind lately, especially as you push forward with your
groundbreak and work in psychology and psychiatry.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Well, I wrote the book to raise awareness to the
confounding variables that you know adults with ADHD diagnoses is
impossible based on the criteria measures they're currently is today.
You have to have a diagnosis norro for psychologists to
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refer you to a psychiatrist in case the nu medical
attention and mental help. And they're very compromised and they're
thinking and if they can't produce childhood records of any kind,
then there's.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
A problem there.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Because I'm proving that adult big EHD can be developed
in adulthood. It does not have to be present in childhood,
and that yes, and writing can be a comorbid disorder
when it comes to a child growing up in fears
for instance, they they're scared as a child and so
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they don't speak out or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
But in the young adulthood years, should.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
This trauma from peronal treatment in the form of a neglect.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Or abuse or both.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
They're prove that a disadvantage because they cannot get the
help that they need when their brains are are functioning differently.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And so that's what my book is mainly about, to
help people that can't help themselves. They get turned away,
they're dismissed.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
So it's it's definitely a breaking work for me because
I wanted to just get the message out there that hey,
these criterion measures need to be changed because these people
suffer and they can't do anything about it without that.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Diagnosis, and it's.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Real and among us, and so they suffer in silence and.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
The voice they don't have.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, is this book only for those that have been
diagnosed with ADHD or.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
For it's a builts that have ADHD but can't receive
that diagnosis because it's the way.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Of the system is.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
They have to be diagnosed, and it's having adult ADHD,
but it says specifically that has to be present in
childhood and anxiety may not be comorbid with in regards
to the disorders.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So a real disadvantage.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And I'm just fortunate enough to have been able to
compile all.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
This research and be able to help.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Them by closing the translational gap because in reality that
they're going to lose hope, and it's terrible to think,
you know, they're can hold jobs.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
They can't, I mean they get to school. It's it's
it's a tragedy.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah. So I think we really do need to have
a conversation. Uh And I say we as a whole,
as a people, because what if there are adults who
doesn't who don't even know they have ADHD, and you know,
it could be the answer to a lot of why
(08:15):
can't I get ahead in life? Or you know, why
am I? You know those kind of questions, answer those
kind of questions. So how do we have those conversations,
especially with the adults who don't even know they have ADHD.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Well, I think that the cognitive dysfunction alone is going
to tell them that something is wrong. And so when
they go to the doctor, for instance, as clinical psychologists,
you know they're going to recommend the edopopian or statera.
There's a couple others, the like antidepressants, those only work
at the dopamine dopamine level that they need to work
(08:51):
at the stair time level in order to feel a
change the way that you think, because that's classic medicine
that I'm talking about is a class four so it's
really hard to imagine how they function in society because
they'd fry and they can't.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
But I would think that they would know.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I mean to some extent that when they read a
paragraph and cannot have seen any of the information immediately afterwards,
they're going to know something is wrong. And it's just
it's a circle of you know, try this medicine or
try that medicine. But in order to be prescribed from
as psychiatrist other higher medications, it's nearly impossible to get
(09:37):
that diagnosis in the first place without providing childhood records
or childhood diagnoses. I mean, these kids that grow up
in sphere are going to develop, you know, a fear
based reactivity pattern, especially in times of stress in the
home environment. Now they can get resilience with new peer
diets and out of the home environment, which is great
(10:02):
they can just find But what about those who get
heartbroken and abandoned or abused in their next set of
close intimate relationships such as romantic partnerships. Then that all
comes back tenfold on the brain. They start internalizing that
they focus on the internal distress the experienced inside, not
(10:26):
the affili ac using the environmental context by that, I
mean social context. And so now your brain maturational processes
are crystallizing and you don't stand a chance because now
you can't get the diagnosis because you.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Didn't have ADHD.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
In children like that that are abused, now they have
the voice that they need to tell the doctor, Hey,
I was abused as a child. But that doctors will say, well,
my hands are tired.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
There's nothing I can do.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I cannot diagnose yous technically because the criterion measures that
as protocol right now, So my suggestion in this book
is please take a look at the researchers all with
my book.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It proves it through a serial.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Studies in neurobiology and developmental psychology with regard to attachment
security or insecurity in that manner, and it can be
predisposed that anxiety if they are facing every day.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Now it's almost too late to change that.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Emotional self regulation pattern because now there's crystallization and the
dendritic cells in the brain. It's real hard to change
the way that you react like that inside to abuse.
And so therefore your attentional networks are highly compromised because
there's only one neurobiological connection between the Olympic system associated with.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Fear and aggression and the higher order or higher order.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Cognitive processing such as reasoning ability and skills.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
You know that you learn higher or recognitive practicing is
in the prefronal sex.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
So that communication you only have so much allocate, and
it tend to and if you if you're really bad
and you get really bad abuse and don't get the
help you need, then you live with that anxiety and
you can't think clearly. So there just because your emotional
dis regulation patterns, it's automatic at that point.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
So in any of it.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
What was the question again, I'm sorry, I was just
asking about you know, is that a conversation that we
need to have with people finding help, especially when they
don't know?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
That's interesting you say that too, because you know a
lot of these times when people are going through life
and their adults, they aren't going to ask, you know,
something's wrong because their attentions is is so they don't
notice that it's limited.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I mean other people do.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I'm sure they're scattered brains, they are rest with they
you know, they may not perceive it themselves, but I
mean along the line, I would say somebody would have
to say something to them, and is that hyper vigilance
they learned as a kid that's now transcended into the
last critical phase of developments and brain crystallization processes.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
So your steps for life.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I mean, they've got to know something's going on. There
is a link and trade expression of the personality traite
neuroticism and anxiety is absolutely a comorbate commission.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
That's the whoever begins as a precursor variable that predisposes.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Them to the potential vulnerability.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
If they don't get heartbroken, great.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
They'll probably stand a fighting chance and not letting their
attention go.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Back into in terribly stressed a serience inside and they'll
get along this line.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
But if they do get abused in that leads there's
set of into relationships they're kind of view.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Because now it's a little too late to change that.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, just to play Devil's advocate. I
don't think it would be that easy to determine that
as an individual, you know, especially if you are you know,
a certain group, like a millennium, because you have the
(14:32):
you know, before the internet really took off in the
two thousands, it was paperlind pencil. Okay, yes, I would
definitely know if I had adhd if I you know,
back in the pencil and paper world, but with so
many distractions. We are now in the information age where
everything is at a split second. Then there's TikTok, there's Instagram,
(14:53):
there's social media, there's the pressures of living life. There's
a none to five, there's a family if you have that,
And depending on where you are in life as an
individual or your values of fundamentals, you can easily be
just distracted. And that's why you can't hold a paragraph
or retain information. You see what I'm saying, It could
(15:15):
be easily. I'm just fully distracted because there's so many
things going on every second, waking second of my life.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
That's true, That is true.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
What happens when it comes to your relational about instability,
that kind of takes a toll. You know, you can't
control your emotional outbursts, for instance, I mean you're holding
a job is it's a feat And plus when you
don't think clearly and you can't make yourself think clearly,
(15:47):
when you get.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It hurts at that level and you don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
You have ADHD well, it's a kindless cycle out of
control within your own mind, and you cannot physically select attentively,
so you cannot.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Cognitively shift your shifts of.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Attention, So that that alone should kind of we noted
as well, because the firstnality.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Tait and rogicism for instance, which is also co.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Morbid and also precursor variable from from growing up in
anxiety and fear as well and then getting hurt later
on in life and developed as ADHD spirals out of control.
Your emotions take over and sometimes you know that they shouldn't.
But yeah, I'm sure there is a lot of people
(16:39):
who don't know, but you know those that do, so
maybe they expect to.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Not be able to be getting the treatments that they need.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
So if that's the case that those people, I would
say the way to clean up the system really is,
has the clinical psychologists all right, why don't you provide
me a brain skin? Because if you see in chapter
seven in my book, I believe it's the chapter seven
or eight, it's all.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
About the SMRI neural imaging plan. So when you have.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
A normal brain an ADHD brain, they're vastly different, vastly different.
Your brain thinks differently, and so they can be indecisive
about things impulsive about things.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
You know, if they don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
That they have it, I'd be surprised, I really would,
because it's stabilitating.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Even getting out of bed is hard.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
I mean, it's just everything is exhausting and depression those
with the anxiety as well. And it oscillates between this
emotional mobility cycle up and down because anything above or
below that baseline of emotional self regulation, I mean, you're
not going to be able to think clearly.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
And you made me make grasp josh decision and then.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Wonder later You're like, why did I not think about
that before I did it?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Or I regret that?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And he's so guilty about it and ruminates, you know,
and dwells on your negative experiences and emotions because you're
focusing your attention inwards, not out words where it should be.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, but I have a solution though, all right, let's
hear it.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
And I you know, somebody told me and yesterday, as
a matter of fact, on another interview, I was still
explaining these things to him and he says, well, don't.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
You just think that those adults, if they do change
the book to say that ADHD, you know, can be
diagnosed in adulthood without prior childhood.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I mean, without asking him childhood abused? Do you ever
get abused as a child?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Ninety percent of people are probably going to try to
take advantage of that. And I am fully aware of
that because he said, don't you think I'll take advantage?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And I said absolutely. I never really thought about it
like that before.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I'm so excited to get these findings out there to say, hey,
this is a compounding variable that's often overlooked, mis diagnoses
and I often dismissed. Really and for the individual, I said, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
What, that's that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
He said, how would you how would you handle that
in terms of a change, and popped in my head.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I said, us brain scan like m R. I scan
functional magnetically, music.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Activated like a.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah you play when you can go? Kiss about it.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
I caught a boy, but I thought about more and more,
popping na, I don't make normal teams. But that's another sound.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Why Kevin on a beat?
Speaker 7 (19:56):
I can't imagine. I was really clipping bag, Yeah cash
it now I'm washed up and it got me mad,
ship man. I got some hatred in my heart. Could
really stab a bitch faith, But don't be scared. I
promise I still love the ladies. You stay by my side,
and this sometime you have a new Mercedes. Ain't a
burkeing bag and it ain't a tworking ass. That little
(20:16):
baby usually find a damn. The lady with some class
with she got her hand around my heart. I'm not
holding back. Told me be aggressive with that ship, so
I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Get the wreck.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
I promise you your body mind is soul. That ship
intends only met you once, and I knew what it was,
and that's a thing. In any fact, I ain't more
than just your ass. I know love with all your features.
You some motherfucking bad although I still got demons leading
only from the past. Ship. I love the way you
treat me. I ain't never going back bumping music and.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
My man.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Lord had shot man.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Usual little one that's causing damn is killing beasts like
my son of sound killing. And this some ship you
playing when you go kiss somebody, I ain't never caught
about it, but I thought about it. They said I'm more,
I'm more proper. Not so, y'all don't need to know
more demons for fuck it. That's another time.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I can't hold you.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
That first verse right there, was too soft. One gun
just ain't enough, bitch.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I need two blocking.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Thirty h de multitasking, bitch, I'm shooting tools at the
same time while you're looking like you too. Shots shout
the damond ring I was I feel like you, Fellow
Cyrus parted or not? I need some new rock. He
was laughing about that ship. The man he always shying
the box couldn't lead on man hanging out.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I can know where through some shots per on the beat.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Now that person go to sleep. Even though I feel
like taking like another one hundred and three. I've been
working too, y'all still doing that's two sizes and the
career and that ship. Johmmy crazy, but it's not enoughing.
I still want the fuck this money. Man, I'm starting
for that ship.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's been some.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
Days that I go home. I always been some white trash,
but I ain't no dummy. I promise I had everyone's time.
And that's the bump out music and my mans long
heads side of like manson he man usually dole one.
That's cousin. Damn it. We're killing piece like I am
the son of sound. Yeah, this is shit you play
(22:17):
when you go kill somebody. I ain't never called a body.
What I thought about it, say, I'm nacing more and
I'm a more probably nazi. I don't mean no more demons,
but fuck it. That's another topic pop of our music
and my messon law heads sad like the team I
do really want to hunt a grand bitch killing pace,
(22:38):
like I am a sound right now.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
So they pot something else, it's not technically idiot and
without that SAM label and delineating those variables to say, hey.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Let's consider this, probably abuse might be a factor. There's
not that many people out.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
There abused as children, and you have to grow up
in fear and then heartbroken at the early twenties, which
is twenty.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
To twenty two years old, last phase.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Of critical development for that brain naturational processes in young adulthood.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
So it's kind of a whirlwind thing and it's hard
to explain.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
But I laid it out in my book very beautifully, actually,
because it is dawned on me one day to write
this material and I thought, you know what, why is
it that childhood abuse which can predetermine the anxiety the experience,
Like why can't they understand that that affects the attentional
(23:34):
networks in the brain because clearly it makes sense to me.
But they can't do that because there's there's thinking. You know,
people are going to take advantage of that. But the
solution here is have the clinicians say, hey, provide me
through fMRI scan sent to me, and you can tell
(23:55):
right away that brain is nothing like the normal brain
the metabart activation.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Ess All right, All right, listeners, Just in case you
didn't get the link, no worries. I will have it
in a description of this episode and in the show notes,
So all you guys have to do is just click
the links. Amy, thank you for sharing your expertise and
vision with us tonight. You're working redefining adult ADHD and
(24:24):
advancing translational developmental psychobiology is both inspiring and transformative. Listeners,
don't miss Amy's book Psychology within the Context of Psychiatry,
Closing the translational Gap, and follow her journey as she
reshapes how we understand mental help. If you enjoy this episode,
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All right? All right? Again, Welcome to the show. You're
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Our interviews are designed to go behind the scenes and
into the minds of these awesome human beings, you know,
the ones who are out there giving it. They're all
for me, for you, and for the world. Well, this evening,
we welcome a trail blue in the fields of psychology
and psychiatry. Amy Twilger, a researcher, author, and aspiring professor,
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is reshaping how we understand adult ADHD and developmental psychology
with her book Psychology within the Contexts context of Psychiatry,
Closing the translational gap. Amy offers transformative insights into mental health,
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diagnosis and treatment. So you know, her dedication to research
and education is paving a way for a new era
and psychological science. So please join me in saying welcome
friend to Amy. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Hi. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Are you good in yourself I'm doing great. Thank you absolutely, Amy.
Welcome to the show again. What's been on your heart
and mind lately, especially as you push forward with your
groundbreak and work in psychology and psychiatry.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Well, I wrote the book to raise awareness to the
confounding variables that you know adults with ADHD diagnoses is
impossible based on the criteria measures they're currently is today.
You have to have a diagnosis norro for psychologists to
(05:31):
refer you to a psychiatrist in case the nu medical
attention and mental help. And they're very compromised and they're
thinking and if they can't produce childhood records of any kind,
then there's.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
A problem there.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Because I'm proving that adult big EHD can be developed
in adulthood. It does not have to be present in childhood,
and that yes, and writing can be a comorbid disorder
when it comes to a child growing up in fears
for instance, they they're scared as a child and so
(06:05):
they don't speak out or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
But in the young adulthood years, should.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
This trauma from peronal treatment in the form of a neglect.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Or abuse or both.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
They're prove that a disadvantage because they cannot get the
help that they need when their brains are are functioning differently.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And so that's what my book is mainly about, to
help people that can't help themselves. They get turned away,
they're dismissed.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
So it's it's definitely a breaking work for me because
I wanted to just get the message out there that hey,
these criterion measures need to be changed because these people
suffer and they can't do anything about it without that.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Diagnosis, and it's.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Real and among us, and so they suffer in silence and.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
The voice they don't have.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, is this book only for those that have been
diagnosed with ADHD or.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
For it's a builts that have ADHD but can't receive
that diagnosis because it's the way.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Of the system is.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
They have to be diagnosed, and it's having adult ADHD,
but it says specifically that has to be present in
childhood and anxiety may not be comorbid with in regards
to the disorders.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So a real disadvantage.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And I'm just fortunate enough to have been able to
compile all.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
This research and be able to help.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Them by closing the translational gap because in reality that
they're going to lose hope, and it's terrible to think,
you know, they're can hold jobs.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
They can't, I mean they get to school. It's it's
it's a tragedy.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah. So I think we really do need to have
a conversation. Uh And I say we as a whole,
as a people, because what if there are adults who
doesn't who don't even know they have ADHD, and you know,
it could be the answer to a lot of why
(08:15):
can't I get ahead in life? Or you know, why
am I? You know those kind of questions, answer those
kind of questions. So how do we have those conversations,
especially with the adults who don't even know they have ADHD.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Well, I think that the cognitive dysfunction alone is going
to tell them that something is wrong. And so when
they go to the doctor, for instance, as clinical psychologists,
you know they're going to recommend the edopopian or statera.
There's a couple others, the like antidepressants, those only work
at the dopamine dopamine level that they need to work
(08:51):
at the stair time level in order to feel a
change the way that you think, because that's classic medicine
that I'm talking about is a class four so it's
really hard to imagine how they function in society because
they'd fry and they can't.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
But I would think that they would know.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I mean to some extent that when they read a
paragraph and cannot have seen any of the information immediately afterwards,
they're going to know something is wrong. And it's just
it's a circle of you know, try this medicine or
try that medicine. But in order to be prescribed from
as psychiatrist other higher medications, it's nearly impossible to get
(09:37):
that diagnosis in the first place without providing childhood records
or childhood diagnoses. I mean, these kids that grow up
in sphere are going to develop, you know, a fear
based reactivity pattern, especially in times of stress in the
home environment. Now they can get resilience with new peer
diets and out of the home environment, which is great
(10:02):
they can just find But what about those who get
heartbroken and abandoned or abused in their next set of
close intimate relationships such as romantic partnerships. Then that all
comes back tenfold on the brain. They start internalizing that
they focus on the internal distress the experienced inside, not
(10:26):
the affili ac using the environmental context by that, I
mean social context. And so now your brain maturational processes
are crystallizing and you don't stand a chance because now
you can't get the diagnosis because you.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Didn't have ADHD.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
In children like that that are abused, now they have
the voice that they need to tell the doctor, Hey,
I was abused as a child. But that doctors will say, well,
my hands are tired.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
There's nothing I can do.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I cannot diagnose yous technically because the criterion measures that
as protocol right now, So my suggestion in this book
is please take a look at the researchers all with
my book.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It proves it through a serial.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Studies in neurobiology and developmental psychology with regard to attachment
security or insecurity in that manner, and it can be
predisposed that anxiety if they are facing every day.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Now it's almost too late to change that.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Emotional self regulation pattern because now there's crystallization and the
dendritic cells in the brain. It's real hard to change
the way that you react like that inside to abuse.
And so therefore your attentional networks are highly compromised because
there's only one neurobiological connection between the Olympic system associated with.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Fear and aggression and the higher order or higher order.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Cognitive processing such as reasoning ability and skills.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
You know that you learn higher or recognitive practicing is
in the prefronal sex.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
So that communication you only have so much allocate, and
it tend to and if you if you're really bad
and you get really bad abuse and don't get the
help you need, then you live with that anxiety and
you can't think clearly. So there just because your emotional
dis regulation patterns, it's automatic at that point.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
So in any of it.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
What was the question again, I'm sorry, I was just
asking about you know, is that a conversation that we
need to have with people finding help, especially when they
don't know?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
That's interesting you say that too, because you know a
lot of these times when people are going through life
and their adults, they aren't going to ask, you know,
something's wrong because their attentions is is so they don't
notice that it's limited.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I mean other people do.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I'm sure they're scattered brains, they are rest with they
you know, they may not perceive it themselves, but I
mean along the line, I would say somebody would have
to say something to them, and is that hyper vigilance
they learned as a kid that's now transcended into the
last critical phase of developments and brain crystallization processes.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
So your steps for life.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I mean, they've got to know something's going on. There
is a link and trade expression of the personality traite
neuroticism and anxiety is absolutely a comorbate commission.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
That's the whoever begins as a precursor variable that predisposes.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Them to the potential vulnerability.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
If they don't get heartbroken, great.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
They'll probably stand a fighting chance and not letting their
attention go.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Back into in terribly stressed a serience inside and they'll
get along this line.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
But if they do get abused in that leads there's
set of into relationships they're kind of view.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Because now it's a little too late to change that.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, just to play Devil's advocate. I
don't think it would be that easy to determine that
as an individual, you know, especially if you are you know,
a certain group, like a millennium, because you have the
(14:32):
you know, before the internet really took off in the
two thousands, it was paperlind pencil. Okay, yes, I would
definitely know if I had adhd if I you know,
back in the pencil and paper world, but with so
many distractions. We are now in the information age where
everything is at a split second. Then there's TikTok, there's Instagram,
(14:53):
there's social media, there's the pressures of living life. There's
a none to five, there's a family if you have that,
And depending on where you are in life as an
individual or your values of fundamentals, you can easily be
just distracted. And that's why you can't hold a paragraph
or retain information. You see what I'm saying, It could
(15:15):
be easily. I'm just fully distracted because there's so many
things going on every second, waking second of my life.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
That's true, That is true.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
What happens when it comes to your relational about instability,
that kind of takes a toll. You know, you can't
control your emotional outbursts, for instance, I mean you're holding
a job is it's a feat And plus when you
don't think clearly and you can't make yourself think clearly,
(15:47):
when you get.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It hurts at that level and you don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
You have ADHD well, it's a kindless cycle out of
control within your own mind, and you cannot physically select attentively,
so you cannot.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Cognitively shift your shifts of.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Attention, So that that alone should kind of we noted
as well, because the firstnality.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Tait and rogicism for instance, which is also co.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Morbid and also precursor variable from from growing up in
anxiety and fear as well and then getting hurt later
on in life and developed as ADHD spirals out of control.
Your emotions take over and sometimes you know that they shouldn't.
But yeah, I'm sure there is a lot of people
(16:39):
who don't know, but you know those that do, so
maybe they expect to.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Not be able to be getting the treatments that they need.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
So if that's the case that those people, I would
say the way to clean up the system really is,
has the clinical psychologists all right, why don't you provide
me a brain skin? Because if you see in chapter
seven in my book, I believe it's the chapter seven
or eight, it's all.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
About the SMRI neural imaging plan. So when you have.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
A normal brain an ADHD brain, they're vastly different, vastly different.
Your brain thinks differently, and so they can be indecisive
about things impulsive about things.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
You know, if they don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
That they have it, I'd be surprised, I really would,
because it's stabilitating.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Even getting out of bed is hard.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
I mean, it's just everything is exhausting and depression those
with the anxiety as well. And it oscillates between this
emotional mobility cycle up and down because anything above or
below that baseline of emotional self regulation, I mean, you're
not going to be able to think clearly.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
And you made me make grasp josh decision and then.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Wonder later You're like, why did I not think about
that before I did it?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Or I regret that?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And he's so guilty about it and ruminates, you know,
and dwells on your negative experiences and emotions because you're
focusing your attention inwards, not out words where it should be.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, but I have a solution though, all right, let's
hear it.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
And I you know, somebody told me and yesterday, as
a matter of fact, on another interview, I was still
explaining these things to him and he says, well, don't.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
You just think that those adults, if they do change
the book to say that ADHD, you know, can be
diagnosed in adulthood without prior childhood.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I mean, without asking him childhood abused? Do you ever
get abused as a child?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Ninety percent of people are probably going to try to
take advantage of that. And I am fully aware of
that because he said, don't you think I'll take advantage?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And I said absolutely. I never really thought about it
like that before.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I'm so excited to get these findings out there to say, hey,
this is a compounding variable that's often overlooked, mis diagnoses
and I often dismissed. Really and for the individual, I said, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
What, that's that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
He said, how would you how would you handle that
in terms of a change, and popped in my head.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I said, us brain scan like m R. I scan
functional magnetically, music.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Activated like a.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah you play when you can go? Kiss about it.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
I caught a boy, but I thought about more and more,
popping na, I don't make normal teams. But that's another sound.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Why Kevin on a beat?
Speaker 7 (19:56):
I can't imagine. I was really clipping bag, Yeah cash
it now I'm washed up and it got me mad,
ship man. I got some hatred in my heart. Could
really stab a bitch faith, But don't be scared. I
promise I still love the ladies. You stay by my side,
and this sometime you have a new Mercedes. Ain't a
burkeing bag and it ain't a tworking ass. That little
(20:16):
baby usually find a damn. The lady with some class
with she got her hand around my heart. I'm not
holding back. Told me be aggressive with that ship, so
I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Get the wreck.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
I promise you your body mind is soul. That ship
intends only met you once, and I knew what it was,
and that's a thing. In any fact, I ain't more
than just your ass. I know love with all your features.
You some motherfucking bad although I still got demons leading
only from the past. Ship. I love the way you
treat me. I ain't never going back bumping music and.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
My man.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Lord had shot man.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Usual little one that's causing damn is killing beasts like
my son of sound killing. And this some ship you
playing when you go kiss somebody, I ain't never caught
about it, but I thought about it. They said I'm more,
I'm more proper. Not so, y'all don't need to know
more demons for fuck it. That's another time.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I can't hold you.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
That first verse right there, was too soft. One gun
just ain't enough, bitch.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I need two blocking.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Thirty h de multitasking, bitch, I'm shooting tools at the
same time while you're looking like you too. Shots shout
the damond ring I was I feel like you, Fellow
Cyrus parted or not? I need some new rock. He
was laughing about that ship. The man he always shying
the box couldn't lead on man hanging out.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I can know where through some shots per on the beat.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Now that person go to sleep. Even though I feel
like taking like another one hundred and three. I've been
working too, y'all still doing that's two sizes and the
career and that ship. Johmmy crazy, but it's not enoughing.
I still want the fuck this money. Man, I'm starting
for that ship.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's been some.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
Days that I go home. I always been some white trash,
but I ain't no dummy. I promise I had everyone's time.
And that's the bump out music and my mans long
heads side of like manson he man usually dole one.
That's cousin. Damn it. We're killing piece like I am
the son of sound. Yeah, this is shit you play
(22:17):
when you go kill somebody. I ain't never called a body.
What I thought about it, say, I'm nacing more and
I'm a more probably nazi. I don't mean no more demons,
but fuck it. That's another topic pop of our music
and my messon law heads sad like the team I
do really want to hunt a grand bitch killing pace,
(22:38):
like I am a sound right now.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
So they pot something else, it's not technically idiot and
without that SAM label and delineating those variables to say, hey.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Let's consider this, probably abuse might be a factor. There's
not that many people out.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
There abused as children, and you have to grow up
in fear and then heartbroken at the early twenties, which
is twenty.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
To twenty two years old, last phase.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Of critical development for that brain naturational processes in young adulthood.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
So it's kind of a whirlwind thing and it's hard
to explain.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
But I laid it out in my book very beautifully, actually,
because it is dawned on me one day to write
this material and I thought, you know what, why is
it that childhood abuse which can predetermine the anxiety the experience,
Like why can't they understand that that affects the attentional
(23:34):
networks in the brain because clearly it makes sense to me.
But they can't do that because there's there's thinking. You know,
people are going to take advantage of that. But the
solution here is have the clinicians say, hey, provide me
through fMRI scan sent to me, and you can tell
(23:55):
right away that brain is nothing like the normal brain
the metabart activation.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Ess All right, All right, listeners, Just in case you
didn't get the link, no worries. I will have it
in a description of this episode and in the show notes,
So all you guys have to do is just click
the links. Amy, thank you for sharing your expertise and
vision with us tonight. You're working redefining adult ADHD and
(24:24):
advancing translational developmental psychobiology is both inspiring and transformative. Listeners,
don't miss Amy's book Psychology within the Context of Psychiatry,
Closing the translational Gap, and follow her journey as she
reshapes how we understand mental help. If you enjoy this episode,
(24:46):
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Thank you so much. Amy, have a great time.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
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