May 18, 2025 • 56 mins
Air Date - 15 May 2025
If tomorrow you lost everything that you built, your home, your marriage, and your savings, how would you emerge from this chaos and start over again? My guest this week on Vox Novus, Dr. Lisa Nezneski, did just that. Dr. Lisa is a leading authority in the field of Integrative Medicine, bringing the benefits of traditional medicine, meditation, and alternative modalities in a well-rounded approach to health and healing. She is a Certified Mindfulness Meditation Teacher and a board-certified pharmacotherapist, professional healthcare consultant, Botanical Medicine specialist, Reiki Master, intuitive, author, and speaker.
Her website is https://www.lisanezneski.com/ and she joins me this week to share her path and book, Grounded in Chaos: Leaning into Adversity, Learning Joy.
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If tomorrow you lost everything that you built, your home, your marriage, and your savings, how would you emerge from this chaos and start over again? My guest this week on Vox Novus, Dr. Lisa Nezneski, did just that. Dr. Lisa is a leading authority in the field of Integrative Medicine, bringing the benefits of traditional medicine, meditation, and alternative modalities in a well-rounded approach to health and healing. She is a Certified Mindfulness Meditation Teacher and a board-certified pharmacotherapist, professional healthcare consultant, Botanical Medicine specialist, Reiki Master, intuitive, author, and speaker.
Her website is https://www.lisanezneski.com/ and she joins me this week to share her path and book, Grounded in Chaos: Leaning into Adversity, Learning Joy.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Vox Novus, the New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension,
Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
(00:28):
Vox Novus, the New Voice. If tomorrow you lost everything
that you built, your home, your marriage, and your savings,
how would you emerge from the chaos and start over again?
My guest this week on Box Novus, doctor Lisa Nezneski,
(00:53):
did just that. Doctor Lisa is a leading authority in
the field of integrative medicine, bringing the benefit of traditional medicine, meditation,
and alternative modalities in a well rounded approach to health
and healing. She's a certified mindfulness meditation teacher and a
Board certified pharmacotherapist, professional healthcare consultant, botanical medicine specialist, Reiki master,
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intuitive author and speaker. Her website is Lisa Naznsky dot
com and she joins me this week to share her
path and book, Grounded in Chaos, Leaning into Adversity, Learning Joy.
Please join me in welcoming to Vox Novis, doctor Lisa Neznsky. Welcome,
(01:39):
Doctor Lisa.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Doctor Lisa. Please share with us your path before the
series of events that changed your life.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Oh wow, Okay, it's pretty a raw emotional story, but
I'll start with I was working a job where I
was driving one hundred and twenty miles a day, sixty
miles to and fro, and I was the primary bread winner.
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And in January of twenty fourteen, I was called down
to the cfo's office. Now I was a hospital administrator
at that point, and so he was very gentle explaining
to me that my wages were garnished. Surprise, surprise, So
it was a huge shock. I came to find out
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that we were getting audited by the IRS and we
owed them thirty two thousand dollars, some huge amount of money.
So since they garnished the wages, we were able to appeal,
but they put us on a payment plan. So I
had a mortgage, I had a second mortgage, and then
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I had this payment to the IRS, which amounted to
be a third mortgage. And I just couldn't handle it anymore,
you know, being the primary breadwinner. And I had that
uncomfortable talk with the ex husband and said that we
had to sell our house because I just couldn't afford it,
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and so we did that. He wanted to move to Butler.
Everybody knows Butler from Slummer of twenty four Infamous Butler.
But I said, no, if we're going to move anywhere,
let's go somewhere with lower taxes and it's warm. So
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he suggested Wilmington, North Carolina, and I spent four years there,
I believe. So moved in the September of twenty fifteen.
You know, the house did sell, and at that point
I began to live in an or two foot r
RV rather RV, and it was you know, moving from
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a twenty eight hundred square foot house into a three
hundred square foot RV was miserable for me. You know,
my lifestyle was cut by you know, basically ninety percent.
So I was functioning okay, but I hated it. And
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when we moved onto ten acres of property, things only
got worse. So at that point, I'm working full time.
The nearest neighbor was maybe a football field away. It
was pretty isolated, and he would quote go out to
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work every day. But I was basically by myself there
and so one morning I'm out walking the dog, and
I look down and I see this dinner plate size
print footprint in the sand. There was no grass, it
was all sand around the house. So I see this
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footprint and take a picture, and I put my foot
next to which is, you know, for just to measure size.
It was enormous. It was much bigger than my foot.
And when I went back in after the walk there,
I just googled just for fun bear print. Well, yeah,
sure enough it was a bear print. And there I
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was in the middle of where with bears and poisonous
snakes and so things got pretty bad rapidly after that
point because emotionally I didn't have any support. I was
by myself. And yeah, that's the point where I said,
you know, enough is enough. So pretty much everything has
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changed in my life since twenty fifteen. I mean, my
name has changed, my where I live. Gosh, I think
I moved five times since twenty fifteen to so this
is the sixth move. And as I said, everything's different.
I divorced and my last name changed back to my
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maiden name, which I'm never changing again, even though I
did remarry, and the job that I had then I
left that job. I worked for a consulting company for
about the last ten years or so, which was much
better suited than driving back and forth to Wheeling, West
Virginia in the middle of the winter from Pittsburgh. But
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the thing about North Carolina was there's no real infrastructure
compared with a big city like Pittsburgh. It's a great
place to go and visit, and the beaches are nice.
But I spent a year waiting out the divorce on
North Top Cell Beach and that was very therapeutic for me,
and I started to turn things around with virtually anything
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that I thought could help me heal. So I had
some reiki girls, I had a reiki shawman, I had
a psychiatrist, a therapist. You know, attempted to eat better,
but during that period of the divorce, I had lost
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probably sixty pounds, which was probably not healthy losing it
that quickly. So you know, I'm still struggling a bit
with diet, but you know, things are much more calm
right now. It was just such an intense period. You know,
we separated, and in North Carolina you separate for three
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hundred and sixty five days plus one before you can
file for divorce, which took an additional ninety days. So
even though I separated on August eleventh, the following year,
in December is when that was actually finally divorced. And
in the interim there was a lawsuits. The ex sued me.
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It was a baseless, baseless you know. In fact, the attorney,
my attorney got dismissed with prejudice, meaning he can't come
after me again, which is reassuring. And yeah, I haven't
heard from him since, which is you know, we share
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two children, but we never ever are in the same
location at the same time. And I think my oldest
son manages that so that he doesn't have the stress
of both of us there at the same time. To me,
you know, I could see him or not. I saw
him every day for thirty four plus years, probably thirty
eight years now that I think back, and you know,
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I'm a big girl. I certainly wouldn't start anything. We
didn't start anything except for him, but with the lawsuit.
But yeah, that was really difficult. It was a time
period where I didn't feel grounded. So I began to
really use a technique of grounding every single day so
that I would have a clear, clear mind while I
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was working. I mean, I really didn't want to lose
my job at that point, so uh, you know, I
did did a great deal of development with my career
in those those years. But again the what what my
rather straight laced pharmacist cohorts would think is rather woo
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woo things I did freakye. I meditated, I became a
mindfulness meditation student and moved on to become a teacher,
and all of those pieces Living by the Beach began
to present a much clear picture of what my true
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calling was during that time.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
We're going to share more about your book, Grounded in Chaos,
but before we do, your professional specialties include pharmacotherapy and
integrative medicine. Please tell us about these practices and how
they address the needs of patients.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Sure, pharmacotherapist is a specialist that takes a board certification exam,
and I originally was certified back in nineteen ninety one.
It's quite some time ago, so I think I actually
sat for the very first board certification exam and then,
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of course you have to keep that uf. But the
idea is we are the most trained medication specialists for
various conditions. There since many specialties subspecialties of that you
can become a partiology specialists or an oncology specialist, but
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I like the generalists because at that point in my
career I was working in nursing homes where you get,
you know, a great deal of geriatric medicine, but the
number of different basic medications that people in those nursing
homes took were somewhat complicated, and I always considered myself
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the anti drug pharmacist. I was trying to help people
get off things if I saw what I considered to
be side effects, and that actually became my greatest skill
through that time, is to be able to sort out
whether it's a new condition or a side effect of
an existing medication. So I became actually really good at that.
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As far as integrative medicine goes, this is I'll give
you an abbreviated version of this. In the middle of
all of that. It's in the late nineties I opened
a health food and vitamin store and became certified in
integrative medicine, which means, you know, looking at the individual
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as a whole, finding the root cause of their illness
and not slapping a medication band aid on it. So
I really got excited about this when doctor Andrew wil
wrote his first book because I saw people began to
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use herbal medicines but in ways that probably weren't safe.
So I had pharmacognzy when I went through pharmacy school,
so I had a depth of knowledge in plant based medicine.
So from that, I opened a consultative practice at my store.
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It was called Healthy Self. Came from Heal Thyself, Healthy Self,
and had a great deal of individual clients that would
either come to the store or I'd make house calls,
and that was what I felt was the most rewarding
part of my career is really helping people avoid medications,
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look at the root causes, and then help them with
the skills that they would need to become healthy that
are within their control. So that was a really fun
part of my career. When I got here to Florida,
I opened Healthy Mindful Self. It's an online store, but
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I also do consultations about medications as well, with that
same philosophy of helping them find the processes that they
can do on their own without a physician intervening. So
it's you know, they don't need the physician to become
healthier and looking at their diet, their exercise, have as
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their sleep, along with any other supplementation natural supplements that
may assist up to a point. Now there is a
point where you know, traditional medicine definitely has a role,
and I don't have any problem with that. You know,
surgeries of course, antibiotics, things like that. But there are
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some lifestyle diseases like high cholesterol, being overweight, hypertension, things
like that, where that people can make some changes on
their own. So that those are the two areas of
my traditional medicine specialization.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Your book is entitled Grounded in Chaos, Leaning Into Adversity,
Learning Joy. What does the phrase grounded in chaos mean
to you?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, the story about living in North Carolina. It was
a tornado of emotions and I had been the primary
breadwinner for many years, and I, you know, if mom
didn't work, we didn't eat, so I would Basically I
spent many years stuffing. And when I was in this
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tornado of emotions, as I was getting hit from all sides, financial, physical, emotional, relationships, spiritual,
you name it. It was all going on at the same time,
and so I felt like I needed to really hone
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in and ground myself. Several times a day. I was
taught a grounding technique from Psychic Horizons School in Boulder, Colorado.
There's one on the West coast, but this is the
one in Boulder, Colorretto and I found the techniques extremely helpful,
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and so I began taking a lot more classes from them.
And the grounding part of it was you're sending energy
down to the center of the earth, and you're attacking
your being to the center of the earth, and you
feel the connection, the deep connection. I would walk on
the beach barefoot. That's another grounding technique. And so through
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that tornado of emotions, I was able to let some
of those go, process those by allowing them to leave
my body through a grounding technique. So that's where the
grounded in Chaos came from as a title. It was
a very emotional period in my life. I was basically blindslided,
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blindsided by a lot of the events that were happening,
and just when I thought something was a little bit
under control, it was like those spinning plates. One would
crash and I'd go back into this what do they
call that disaster management? I guess my life was a
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complete hot mess at that point. So the grounding techniques
were very comforting to allow me to move forward with
my life.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You shared many of the difficulties that you faced on
your journey. Was there one that was the most difficult
and how did you navigate it?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Well? Shortly before I took a new job, when I
was still at the hospital, I ended up in the
emergency room, primarily because I was stuffing down those emotions.
And what happened was my heart rate. Well, now, let
me back up. I had massive chest pains. They were
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worse in the middle of the night, and I sat
up and thought, oh, my gosh, my grandmother died at
a younger age than me from a cardiovascular disease. And
I thought, oh, yeah, the number one killer of women
right now is heart disease. I need to get somebody
to look at this chest pain. I'm giggling now, but
it was. It was serious as a heart attack, really,
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So I ended up in the emergency room at the
University of Pittsburgh Presbyterian Medical Center and they did a
complete work up. And there I'm lying on the gurney
in the emergency room, and my blood pressure was normal,
my EKG was normal, my oxygen saturation was normal, and
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the room was filled with you know, residents and medical
students and attendings and nurses and nursing students. I mean
the room was full because they wanted to figure out
what was going on, and they were all trying to
learn from my case. So I'm watching these these chest pains,
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these squeezing chest pains, and I'm looking at the monitor
and I'm seeing my heart rate drop, and I'm seeing
that they're not seeing what I'm seeing. So I tell
them look at the monitor, and I get a bunch
of blank faces. I see that they don't see my
heart rate dropping, and I said, watch my heart rates,
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watch my pulse, and so as they do, they can see.
Now I'm like at thirty eight, it drops to thirty six.
When it got to thirty two, I turned and looked
at the X and said, this could be it. I
could be checking out. Tell the kids I love them
and I don't want to miss my life. So that
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was the first time when I knew I needed to
change things. So the job changed. First, of course, I
lost the house after that and then moved and you know,
went through through the divorce. But that was the line
in the sand that I knew that I needed to
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make major changes.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
In my life.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So it was my body telling me to really start
to pay attention.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
You had it right in front of your eyes, the
warning signal I did. I did as we said. The
subtitle is leaning into Adversity, which we just discussed and
then also learning joy. Can you share an example of
an unexpected moment of joy that stood out for you?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
There were many of them when I was walking on
the beach. The interesting thing about living on the beach.
I was actually on the inner coastal side, but there
was one street, so there was either beach front or
inner coastal, but from my rental property, I could see
both from the windows. There were tons of windows. Living
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at the beach helped me, you know, with all the
good ions really processed that. But the sunsets were more
gorgeous than the sunrises, so I would look out over
the inner coastal side facing west, and I remember there
were many times I'd reached for my camera, but I
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remember standing on one of the four balconies that I had,
looking out at the sunset set and really being in awe.
And it's humbling when you see nature in all its
glory just in front of you, and you have to
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stop and you have to look and you have to enjoy.
So since then I've joined the Cloud Appreciation Society, you know.
In fact, I began to appreciate nature so much that
I became a shaman, which is the use of nature
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in healing. So I really really found that as being
one of the pivotal moments in finding joy, and it
shaped the direction of where I was going to go
with my healing practice.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Absolutely. My guest, doctor Lisa Neznski, her book Grounded in Chaos,
Leaning Into Adversity, Learning Joy, Doctor Lisa, please share with
our listeners where they can get your books and find
out more about you and your work.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yes, my website is my name www dot Lisa La
nez Neski, November Echo, Zulu November Echo, Samuel Kiloindia dot com.
And I also have my books available on Amazon and
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on Healthy Mindful dot com, which is my retail store.
The online retail store. The next edition of Grounded and
Chaos will also be available from Gotham Books as well
as independent bookstores and Amazon of course.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
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Speaker 1 (24:00):
Back on Box Novus, my guest this week is doctor
Lisa Neznski her book Rounded in Chaos, Leaning Into Adversity
and Learning Joy. Doctor Lisa, what role did mindfulness meditation
play in your personal healing process?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Gosh, it was huge. I mean I was mentioning how
I wasn't paying attention to my body and one of
the three basic anchors of mindfulness includes bodily sensations, so
the other two are breath, paying attention to the breath
and ambient sounds. But I found the most benefit from
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paying attention to my body where I had stuffed down
emotions and not processed them. So it was a beginner's
journey in meditation each time because I wasn't really aware
of these sensations and in fact, I started taking some
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exercise classes at the same time and found that I
could actually feel the tension in my body from you know,
either sitting and I call it mousing, you know, working
on the computer all day. Yeah, and the tension during
that time because I didn't know what else would blindside me.
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And I am really bad at being blindsided. That's one
of the learnings that I got through this was that
I don't like being blindsided, and so but there are
times when you need to actually let go of the
control and let things happen and look at it from
a more mindful perspective. So being in the moment was
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so important in finding out how I was feeling, how
I was processing the emotion, and then was there anything
else that my body needed at that moment to be
able to move beyond. And I still use a process
like that on my Thursday night. Mind from his meditation
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class from last week was exactly that. We went on
a journey to find out where nagging physical problem the
original emotion that was tied to it. And it was
really fascinating for all of us in the group that
we found things we didn't even think we were still
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caring with us so it was just fascinating.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I had a wonderful spiritual teacher who shared the expression
everything is unfolding in divine order. Your biography says that
you believe that everything happens in its own right time.
How may we see this in our lives?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Well, you know, we we all think that we have
a plan, and I think i've heard God God laughs
when man plans, so you know, things don't work out
as you plan. And I think the concept of things
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happening in their own right time is that we think
we're in control of things, but we're not, and things
work out to our advantage. If we think about things
that were disappointed about that didn't happen the way we planned,
or any any particular event where you know, maybe he
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missed the train, something simple like that, where you missed
it because there was an accident on the train line
that day or something to that effect. You were spared
some additional grief. So yes, you were put into some
mild to moderate discomfort about that, being disappointed, but yet
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it all turned out for your good. So that's what
I mean by everything happens in its own right time.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Reiki was life changing for me in so many ways.
In the early nineteen nineties. Please share with us how
reiki graced your life and what you experienced in the process.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
When I worked at the hospital where I was the
hospital administrator, I was over the cancer centers and I
thought it would be wonderful as an adjunct therapy to
bring in reiki practitioners to help the patients. Well, I
was summarily shot down from that, and I thought, wow,
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this is just a shame that they have these backward attitudes.
But there were so many red flags in that job,
not only driving one hundred and twenty miles, but I
did some more investigation and actually talked to the reiki
practitioner that I was bringing on board, although it did
not happen, and I realized that this is an interesting process.
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It's more or less like a healing of hands hands free.
About ten years prior to that, I had done some
of the I think it's Elizabeth Brennan hands of Light work,
and this I felt was a continuation. So when I
was dressed through that process, I brought different modalities of reiki.
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I actually went through the training process and became what's
it called a master Reeky Master. But my entire reason
for doing it was to perform reiki on myself and
help some of the symptoms that I was having. There
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was a red flag here as well that were preventing
me from working to my fullest. Because if we didn't
I didn't work, we didn't need So I began that
reiki process slowly over the years, had a few treatments
myself where someone else was giving me that. But when
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the tornado hit, I reached out almost immediately to one
of the local reiki practitioners. She had an associate. They
were very young compared to me, They were in their
twenties early twenties, but I found such insight from each
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of them as I was going through. And then I
had a reiki shawman as well, who brought some of
the shamanic techniques of breath and sam pating was her specialty.
On The training that I had wasn't necessarily like that.
There is some of that, but it was My training
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was more of bringing more light into the body and
finding those areas of dense energy. So it was a continuum.
It was the reiki, the hands of light, to the
reiki to the mindfulness and then onto the shamanic healing.
So anything else I can add about that.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
No, that's a wonderful share. And I had the blessing
of the studying with and becoming friends with a wonderful
woman by the name of Raven Keys, who basically developed
medical reiki mastery, and she actually opened the doors to
hospitals here in New York for people to go in
and practice, and it was just a wonderful thing think about.
I don't know what you're talking about in terms of
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trying to bring king into the hospital that you were
affiliated with, but this only happened within the last few years,
so it's taken a long time to get traditional Western
medicine to accept these alternative modalities in the hospital setting.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That is correct. That is correct. It was twenty fourteen,
a little before that, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Absolutely Grounded in Chaos is written in the form of
narrative poetry. What does that style mean to you?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I'm telling my story and a lot of times it's
not really rhyming poetry. It's as much short concepts the
way that I think and put it into these stories,
if you will. And to be honest, it started off
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as my journal. I had many of these short thoughts
that I was writing down that was helping me process emotions.
So as I was going through that, I actually wrote
Seven Mindful Questions before I wrote Grounded in Chaos. However,
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when I sent some of the poetry to my editor,
because Seven Mindful Questions was already with the editor. Once
I sent those poems, she's like, this has got to
be published first, so I respected her opinion. She's a
several book author herself, so that's how Grounded in Chaos
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was published first. But again, it wasn't meant to be
a book per se. It started off as being this
emotional journey where I began writing things down, and some
of the longer poems, like the one that has to
do with me walking on Glass, that one was just
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for my own personal healing, recognizing where I had gone wrong.
Why did I continue to do things that were to
my detriment. So it was a lot of introspection at first,
But then, as I said, I felt that if there
are those out there who are also going through where
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every single thing in their life could be going wrong
at the same time, then this book could potentially give
them some hope that they can experience some of that
raw emotion and by vicariously experiencing my emotion, they can
begin to process their own and then move on into
the phases that I went through to find that joy.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
And do you recommend that folks going through that do
their own form of journaling.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yes, yes, it's so therapeutic.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
You also share backstories with some of your poetic chapters.
What do these add to the offering?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Well, the poems stand on their own, but having some
perspective of where I was at that point in time.
There's a word that I'm searching for, this I'm escaping,
but it gives you context, gives you some context into
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my thought processes when I wrote that and when I
was experiencing those feelings.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
And in those backstories, you're basically sharing a more grounded
form of what you experienced that you share in the poetry.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Oh, thank you for that recognition. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Absolutely. One of your narrative homes is entitled Luminous and
I truly resonated with that. Would you share that with
our audience?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yes, this is an award winning poem, So in the
second version, I tell you about how I received an
award from the Toastmasters group and when I read the
poem to my ex husband. He sort of did a
mia I'm not into poetry, but it was so profound
to me. So that was with other you know, clearly
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disconnect on that part. But I was going to Wharton School.
My company was sending me there for advanced leadership training,
and I was super excited about this opportunity. So I
was on an American Airlines flight and I was going
from Wilmington, North Carolina, to Philadelphia, and being a virtually
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Pennsylvania resident for fifty nine years of my life, I
had flown into Philly many times, so I sort of
knew what to expect along the way. But what happened
is what you're going to hear now, luminous. I flew
through a cloud today, immersed in the light of heaven,
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white light above, below, and all around reflecting, immersed in
the light of heaven. Turbulence. Turbulence wakes me from the reverie.
The shaking proofs that it is not solid, an illusory
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temporal experience of the light of the afterlife. And emerging
from a cloud, a city appeared, placed down on terra firma.
The destination is ahead. Billions of people scurrying around. What
if they were all suddenly mindful and looked up to
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see the luminous light of heaven inside a cloud.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing that with us.
Thank you. How does humor contribute to resilience and challenging circumstances.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Oh? Yeah, you've got to keep amusement because life is
too serious as it is. You know, you've got to
be able to laugh at yourself. You've got to be
able to crack a few jokes. You've got to be
able to take a few jokes, and by doing so,
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it lifts the SyRI in it seriousness of what you're
going through to a higher vibration. Laughter is one of
the higher vibrations love and gratitude, or higher with gratitude
before love. So having a sense of humor is so
important as things are happening to you that are completely
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out of your control. So being able to laugh at
some of the aspects of it really keep you in
a grounded but yet elevated energy state.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You have an offering called two sentence poem, and that's
an example of humor. Please share that one with.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Us, Okay, my two sentence poem. Honesty is like virginity.
Once it's gone, there's no turning back.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I love that. My guest doctor Lisa Nezneski her book
Grounded in Chaos, Leaning into Adversity, Learning Joy. We'll be
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Speaker 1 (42:43):
Back on Box novis my guest this week, doctor Lisa Nozneski,
her book Grounded in Chaos, Leaning into Adversity, Learning Joy.
Doctor Lisa, I've been bringing through inspired poetry since I
was a kid. Do you see your writing and poetry
as inspired?
Speaker 4 (43:05):
I do.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
From the literal meaning of inspired, which means to breathe in. Yes,
it feels like I am breathing in these thoughts that
they may not actually be coming to me, but I'm
you know they're not my thoughts. They're coming to me
per se because I have set my intention to sort
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out some things and they come through in like Luminus
did in one complete pemn in minutes start to finish,
no editing, yep. So yes, I absolutely believe that.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Each chapter seems like it plants the seeds for a meditation.
Was this intentional?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Well, it's so much of who I am that I'm
sharing bits and pieces of who I am, and that
definitely includes meditation. So was it intentional? I'm not really
sure because, like I said, I'm telling my story and
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it's part of me, so the sharing definitely, and I
wanted to make sure that I told people how much
it helped me.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Absolutely. Growded and Chaos, as you had mentioned, was actually
going to be your second book after Seven Mindful Questions.
Tell us a little bit about seven Mindful Questions.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Well, Seven Mindful Questions was the methodology that I developed
to help myself through those stressful times so that I
could stay on task and continue to work. And it's
it's really quite straightforward, and it is the relatively simple.
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I mean, it's the ABC caause and breathe e CBA.
So becoming aware of what you're thinking in that moment
and what you're doing, and is there an underlying reason
for it called because? That's the second question has to
do with that, And then is what I'm doing right
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now really necessary? You're working through a process, you're aware
of something, and then you're moving into why am I
doing this? So that's the because part of it, And
then why do I care about this? That's the third
question that sees the care So is this something that
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I really need to be doing? You know, we can
be productively procrastinating, like cleaning out the junk drawer, you know,
doing something that's not really that important. But the fourth
part where we pause and breathe and think about what
else you should be doing. That's where the breathing part
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of it is the meditation part that allows something better
to come in and that's that gives you a better
perspective on what it is you really should be doing
in that moment, So then you can choose what is essential.
You know, let's some of this junk drawer and other
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things that you're just killing time with, let them go
by the waistside and really begin to focus. And the
next is what can I do better, like why am
I still doing this? And why have I done this
for so many times? What is the pattern behind this?
Where you know, choosing what's essential was the emotional heart
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of the seven mindful questions, but moving on to what
you can do better is really the strategic decision making part,
the change agent. And then finally, what is the best
alternative for you at that point in time? So those
are the seven questions, and that methodology was so instrumental
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for me keeping on tasks that I expanded it to
include specific meditations for each of those seven questions. And
I do have a workbook as well. The book was
designed to stand on its own, but of course it's
a companion workbook, so you can read one or the other,
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but using them both together. If you really know that
you've hit that line in the sand where you're lying
on the emergency room scourney and you know things have
to change, that's where seven mindful questions came in. So
they sort of go hand in hand with you know,
I got to keep working, I got to stay on task.
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My head's kind of a mess at the moment. But
then I began writing the poetry to get that emotion
out of my body. So it was basically a two
pronged healing using both of those approaches.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
How many people learn to embrace change instead of fearing it.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
That's a great question. I love that, And I'm going
to tell my story of the manhole. So a guy
is walking down the street, he's got his phone in
his face, and boom, he falls down into a manhole.
So the construction workers are all laughing at him. They
go and they pull him out of the manhole, and
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he's so embarrassed that he just keeps going right back
to the phone. The next day he's walking down the
same street and he falls in the manhole again, and
the construction workers are just howling that this is so funny. He's,
you know, fell in twice. You know, these wall street
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guys can walk down the street, but they you know,
fall in hole. So, you know, again he's embarrassed. So
the third day he walks down, he still has his
phone in front of him. He gets to the hole,
he feels himself moving forward, but he did one of
those catches steps and moved back real quickly. And the
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guys are going, hey, buddy, you'll finally start to learn,
and still giving him the what for. And by the
fourth day he decides he's going to put his phone away,
and he finds himself walking around the hole. And by
the fifth day he decides he's going to walk down
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the opposite side of the street. So this is how
change happens in our life. We start off repeating the
same mistake, but making incremental changes as we go along
until you make the final change where that situation cannot
happen again. So you need to give yourself grace through
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that process where you're going to repeat the mistake, but
you keep that strong intention that you're not going to
and eventually your behavior meets your intention. So give yourself
some grace as you go through the change process.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Wonderful, Thank you. You've been quoted as saying health doesn't
always come from medicine, it comes from laughter and love.
How may we fill that prescription?
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Well, you don't go to the regular pharmacy for that,
because they're pretty serious. People find something that you really enjoy,
that you really love spending time with loved ones. I
have the great honor of having three grandchildren, and those
three grandkids are such a delight. I'll call my son
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and he's driving them to school and you're here in
the backseat, Grandma. They're all excited to talk to me.
So it's wonderful. They live back in Pittsburgh. I live here.
My grandson lives in Tucson, so you know, it's great
to build that relationship even though it's a long distance relationship.
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So that's the key to the love in my life.
I also met a wonderful marine who ex marine who
is my now husband, and we just laugh at things
all the time. He's got a great sense of humor
even when I'm having some really various days and I've
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made some more mistakes in the last year that I
hate to admit, but I'm working on them and he's
behind me. I feel that positive energy of his support.
So having support people in your in your life. I
have a great friend, Pam, who lives in Akron, Ohio.
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We were taking a class from the group in Boulder
and I said to her, you're from Pittsburgh, aren't you.
She said, how did you know? I said, well, I
know Pittsburgh. He's just as well as anyone else. So
I picked it out on just what she was saying,
and we became fast friends from that, and so, you know,
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building a new life, which is essentially what I did
once I left North Carolina. You know, I brought people
into my life that we share common interest and we
can support each other through the good and the bad times.
And it just it's like I've level up in so
many ways. But leading from your heart, you know, the
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Shamanic training is heart centered. It was called moonaiqi, which
means from the heart in the Cara language of Peru.
And I'm finding living my life from the heart is
really what feels that prescription for me absolutely.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
What message would you like your readers to take away
from Grounded in Chaos?
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Okay? One of the main messages is that, you know,
I really felt alone through the process, and I want
to make sure that people know that you are never alone,
and even though you may be in a space where
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there are no other physical beings in your space. For me,
it was my dog that was always with me through
those early phases. But I had I do still, I
have a deep spirituality that I felt, you know, when
I was so confused, I felt that phrase that the
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Holy Spirit can speak to you for you when you
don't have the words, can pray for you when you
don't have the words, So just be comfortable by knowing
that you are supported in invisible ways by the Holy
Spirit or your spirit guides. Your guardian angel can be
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one of those where you have beings that want to
help you that are on the other side. So tuning
into that spiritual foundation is really a key to help
you get through whatever it is that you're going through
in your life.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
The Wisdom of doctor Lisa Neznski her book Grounded in Chaos,
Leaning Into Adversity, Learning Joy, Doctor Lisa, one more time,
please share with our listeners with it and get your
books and find out all about you and your wonderful work.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
My website is my name Www. Lisa nez Neski spelled
well the typical way he'd spell Lisa l Isa, and
nes Nesky is spelled November echo Zulu November Echo Samuel
Hiloindia dot com. And my website is chalk full of information,
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including free meditations. I have a YouTube site with all
of my meditations posted all for free, and my store
is ww W Healthymindful Self dot com.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
Doctor Lisa, thank you so much for joining us and
sharing this experience and this wonderful wisdom.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Thank you so much for having me Victor, and.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Thank you for joining us on Vox Novus. I'm Victor,
the Voice perman have a wonderful week.
Vox Novus, the New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension,
Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Vox Novus, the New Voice. If tomorrow you lost everything
that you built, your home, your marriage, and your savings,
how would you emerge from the chaos and start over again?
My guest this week on Box Novus, doctor Lisa Nezneski,
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did just that. Doctor Lisa is a leading authority in
the field of integrative medicine, bringing the benefit of traditional medicine, meditation,
and alternative modalities in a well rounded approach to health
and healing. She's a certified mindfulness meditation teacher and a
Board certified pharmacotherapist, professional healthcare consultant, botanical medicine specialist, Reiki master,
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intuitive author and speaker. Her website is Lisa Naznsky dot
com and she joins me this week to share her
path and book, Grounded in Chaos, Leaning into Adversity, Learning Joy.
Please join me in welcoming to Vox Novis, doctor Lisa Neznsky. Welcome,
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Doctor Lisa.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Doctor Lisa. Please share with us your path before the
series of events that changed your life.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Oh wow, Okay, it's pretty a raw emotional story, but
I'll start with I was working a job where I
was driving one hundred and twenty miles a day, sixty
miles to and fro, and I was the primary bread winner.
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And in January of twenty fourteen, I was called down
to the cfo's office. Now I was a hospital administrator
at that point, and so he was very gentle explaining
to me that my wages were garnished. Surprise, surprise, So
it was a huge shock. I came to find out
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that we were getting audited by the IRS and we
owed them thirty two thousand dollars, some huge amount of money.
So since they garnished the wages, we were able to appeal,
but they put us on a payment plan. So I
had a mortgage, I had a second mortgage, and then
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I had this payment to the IRS, which amounted to
be a third mortgage. And I just couldn't handle it anymore,
you know, being the primary breadwinner. And I had that
uncomfortable talk with the ex husband and said that we
had to sell our house because I just couldn't afford it,
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and so we did that. He wanted to move to Butler.
Everybody knows Butler from Slummer of twenty four Infamous Butler.
But I said, no, if we're going to move anywhere,
let's go somewhere with lower taxes and it's warm. So
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he suggested Wilmington, North Carolina, and I spent four years there,
I believe. So moved in the September of twenty fifteen.
You know, the house did sell, and at that point
I began to live in an or two foot r
RV rather RV, and it was you know, moving from
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a twenty eight hundred square foot house into a three
hundred square foot RV was miserable for me. You know,
my lifestyle was cut by you know, basically ninety percent.
So I was functioning okay, but I hated it. And
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when we moved onto ten acres of property, things only
got worse. So at that point, I'm working full time.
The nearest neighbor was maybe a football field away. It
was pretty isolated, and he would quote go out to
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work every day. But I was basically by myself there
and so one morning I'm out walking the dog, and
I look down and I see this dinner plate size
print footprint in the sand. There was no grass, it
was all sand around the house. So I see this
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footprint and take a picture, and I put my foot
next to which is, you know, for just to measure size.
It was enormous. It was much bigger than my foot.
And when I went back in after the walk there,
I just googled just for fun bear print. Well, yeah,
sure enough it was a bear print. And there I
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was in the middle of where with bears and poisonous
snakes and so things got pretty bad rapidly after that
point because emotionally I didn't have any support. I was
by myself. And yeah, that's the point where I said,
you know, enough is enough. So pretty much everything has
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changed in my life since twenty fifteen. I mean, my
name has changed, my where I live. Gosh, I think
I moved five times since twenty fifteen to so this
is the sixth move. And as I said, everything's different.
I divorced and my last name changed back to my
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maiden name, which I'm never changing again, even though I
did remarry, and the job that I had then I
left that job. I worked for a consulting company for
about the last ten years or so, which was much
better suited than driving back and forth to Wheeling, West
Virginia in the middle of the winter from Pittsburgh. But
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the thing about North Carolina was there's no real infrastructure
compared with a big city like Pittsburgh. It's a great
place to go and visit, and the beaches are nice.
But I spent a year waiting out the divorce on
North Top Cell Beach and that was very therapeutic for me,
and I started to turn things around with virtually anything
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that I thought could help me heal. So I had
some reiki girls, I had a reiki shawman, I had
a psychiatrist, a therapist. You know, attempted to eat better,
but during that period of the divorce, I had lost
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probably sixty pounds, which was probably not healthy losing it
that quickly. So you know, I'm still struggling a bit
with diet, but you know, things are much more calm
right now. It was just such an intense period. You know,
we separated, and in North Carolina you separate for three
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hundred and sixty five days plus one before you can
file for divorce, which took an additional ninety days. So
even though I separated on August eleventh, the following year,
in December is when that was actually finally divorced. And
in the interim there was a lawsuits. The ex sued me.
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It was a baseless, baseless you know. In fact, the attorney,
my attorney got dismissed with prejudice, meaning he can't come
after me again, which is reassuring. And yeah, I haven't
heard from him since, which is you know, we share
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two children, but we never ever are in the same
location at the same time. And I think my oldest
son manages that so that he doesn't have the stress
of both of us there at the same time. To me,
you know, I could see him or not. I saw
him every day for thirty four plus years, probably thirty
eight years now that I think back, and you know,
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I'm a big girl. I certainly wouldn't start anything. We
didn't start anything except for him, but with the lawsuit.
But yeah, that was really difficult. It was a time
period where I didn't feel grounded. So I began to
really use a technique of grounding every single day so
that I would have a clear, clear mind while I
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was working. I mean, I really didn't want to lose
my job at that point, so uh, you know, I
did did a great deal of development with my career
in those those years. But again the what what my
rather straight laced pharmacist cohorts would think is rather woo
(09:41):
woo things I did freakye. I meditated, I became a
mindfulness meditation student and moved on to become a teacher,
and all of those pieces Living by the Beach began
to present a much clear picture of what my true
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calling was during that time.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
We're going to share more about your book, Grounded in Chaos,
but before we do, your professional specialties include pharmacotherapy and
integrative medicine. Please tell us about these practices and how
they address the needs of patients.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Sure, pharmacotherapist is a specialist that takes a board certification exam,
and I originally was certified back in nineteen ninety one.
It's quite some time ago, so I think I actually
sat for the very first board certification exam and then,
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of course you have to keep that uf. But the
idea is we are the most trained medication specialists for
various conditions. There since many specialties subspecialties of that you
can become a partiology specialists or an oncology specialist, but
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I like the generalists because at that point in my
career I was working in nursing homes where you get,
you know, a great deal of geriatric medicine, but the
number of different basic medications that people in those nursing
homes took were somewhat complicated, and I always considered myself
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the anti drug pharmacist. I was trying to help people
get off things if I saw what I considered to
be side effects, and that actually became my greatest skill
through that time, is to be able to sort out
whether it's a new condition or a side effect of
an existing medication. So I became actually really good at that.
(11:49):
As far as integrative medicine goes, this is I'll give
you an abbreviated version of this. In the middle of
all of that. It's in the late nineties I opened
a health food and vitamin store and became certified in
integrative medicine, which means, you know, looking at the individual
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as a whole, finding the root cause of their illness
and not slapping a medication band aid on it. So
I really got excited about this when doctor Andrew wil
wrote his first book because I saw people began to
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use herbal medicines but in ways that probably weren't safe.
So I had pharmacognzy when I went through pharmacy school,
so I had a depth of knowledge in plant based medicine.
So from that, I opened a consultative practice at my store.
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It was called Healthy Self. Came from Heal Thyself, Healthy Self,
and had a great deal of individual clients that would
either come to the store or I'd make house calls,
and that was what I felt was the most rewarding
part of my career is really helping people avoid medications,
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look at the root causes, and then help them with
the skills that they would need to become healthy that
are within their control. So that was a really fun
part of my career. When I got here to Florida,
I opened Healthy Mindful Self. It's an online store, but
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I also do consultations about medications as well, with that
same philosophy of helping them find the processes that they
can do on their own without a physician intervening. So
it's you know, they don't need the physician to become
healthier and looking at their diet, their exercise, have as
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their sleep, along with any other supplementation natural supplements that
may assist up to a point. Now there is a
point where you know, traditional medicine definitely has a role,
and I don't have any problem with that. You know,
surgeries of course, antibiotics, things like that. But there are
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some lifestyle diseases like high cholesterol, being overweight, hypertension, things
like that, where that people can make some changes on
their own. So that those are the two areas of
my traditional medicine specialization.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Your book is entitled Grounded in Chaos, Leaning Into Adversity,
Learning Joy. What does the phrase grounded in chaos mean
to you?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, the story about living in North Carolina. It was
a tornado of emotions and I had been the primary
breadwinner for many years, and I, you know, if mom
didn't work, we didn't eat, so I would Basically I
spent many years stuffing. And when I was in this
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tornado of emotions, as I was getting hit from all sides, financial, physical, emotional, relationships, spiritual,
you name it. It was all going on at the same time,
and so I felt like I needed to really hone
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in and ground myself. Several times a day. I was
taught a grounding technique from Psychic Horizons School in Boulder, Colorado.
There's one on the West coast, but this is the
one in Boulder, Colorretto and I found the techniques extremely helpful,
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and so I began taking a lot more classes from them.
And the grounding part of it was you're sending energy
down to the center of the earth, and you're attacking
your being to the center of the earth, and you
feel the connection, the deep connection. I would walk on
the beach barefoot. That's another grounding technique. And so through
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that tornado of emotions, I was able to let some
of those go, process those by allowing them to leave
my body through a grounding technique. So that's where the
grounded in Chaos came from as a title. It was
a very emotional period in my life. I was basically blindslided,
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blindsided by a lot of the events that were happening,
and just when I thought something was a little bit
under control, it was like those spinning plates. One would
crash and I'd go back into this what do they
call that disaster management? I guess my life was a
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complete hot mess at that point. So the grounding techniques
were very comforting to allow me to move forward with
my life.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You shared many of the difficulties that you faced on
your journey. Was there one that was the most difficult
and how did you navigate it?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Well? Shortly before I took a new job, when I
was still at the hospital, I ended up in the
emergency room, primarily because I was stuffing down those emotions.
And what happened was my heart rate. Well, now, let
me back up. I had massive chest pains. They were
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worse in the middle of the night, and I sat
up and thought, oh, my gosh, my grandmother died at
a younger age than me from a cardiovascular disease. And
I thought, oh, yeah, the number one killer of women
right now is heart disease. I need to get somebody
to look at this chest pain. I'm giggling now, but
it was. It was serious as a heart attack, really,
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So I ended up in the emergency room at the
University of Pittsburgh Presbyterian Medical Center and they did a
complete work up. And there I'm lying on the gurney
in the emergency room, and my blood pressure was normal,
my EKG was normal, my oxygen saturation was normal, and
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the room was filled with you know, residents and medical
students and attendings and nurses and nursing students. I mean
the room was full because they wanted to figure out
what was going on, and they were all trying to
learn from my case. So I'm watching these these chest pains,
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these squeezing chest pains, and I'm looking at the monitor
and I'm seeing my heart rate drop, and I'm seeing
that they're not seeing what I'm seeing. So I tell
them look at the monitor, and I get a bunch
of blank faces. I see that they don't see my
heart rate dropping, and I said, watch my heart rates,
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watch my pulse, and so as they do, they can see.
Now I'm like at thirty eight, it drops to thirty six.
When it got to thirty two, I turned and looked
at the X and said, this could be it. I
could be checking out. Tell the kids I love them
and I don't want to miss my life. So that
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was the first time when I knew I needed to
change things. So the job changed. First, of course, I
lost the house after that and then moved and you know,
went through through the divorce. But that was the line
in the sand that I knew that I needed to
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make major changes.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
In my life.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So it was my body telling me to really start
to pay attention.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
You had it right in front of your eyes, the
warning signal I did. I did as we said. The
subtitle is leaning into Adversity, which we just discussed and
then also learning joy. Can you share an example of
an unexpected moment of joy that stood out for you?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
There were many of them when I was walking on
the beach. The interesting thing about living on the beach.
I was actually on the inner coastal side, but there
was one street, so there was either beach front or
inner coastal, but from my rental property, I could see
both from the windows. There were tons of windows. Living
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at the beach helped me, you know, with all the
good ions really processed that. But the sunsets were more
gorgeous than the sunrises, so I would look out over
the inner coastal side facing west, and I remember there
were many times I'd reached for my camera, but I
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remember standing on one of the four balconies that I had,
looking out at the sunset set and really being in awe.
And it's humbling when you see nature in all its
glory just in front of you, and you have to
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stop and you have to look and you have to enjoy.
So since then I've joined the Cloud Appreciation Society, you know.
In fact, I began to appreciate nature so much that
I became a shaman, which is the use of nature
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in healing. So I really really found that as being
one of the pivotal moments in finding joy, and it
shaped the direction of where I was going to go
with my healing practice.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Absolutely. My guest, doctor Lisa Neznski, her book Grounded in Chaos,
Leaning Into Adversity, Learning Joy, Doctor Lisa, please share with
our listeners where they can get your books and find
out more about you and your work.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yes, my website is my name www dot Lisa La
nez Neski, November Echo, Zulu November Echo, Samuel Kiloindia dot com.
And I also have my books available on Amazon and
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on Healthy Mindful dot com, which is my retail store.
The online retail store. The next edition of Grounded and
Chaos will also be available from Gotham Books as well
as independent bookstores and Amazon of course.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And we'll be back with more of doctor Lisa after
these words on the Own Times Radio Network.
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Speaker 1 (24:00):
Back on Box Novus, my guest this week is doctor
Lisa Neznski her book Rounded in Chaos, Leaning Into Adversity
and Learning Joy. Doctor Lisa, what role did mindfulness meditation
play in your personal healing process?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Gosh, it was huge. I mean I was mentioning how
I wasn't paying attention to my body and one of
the three basic anchors of mindfulness includes bodily sensations, so
the other two are breath, paying attention to the breath
and ambient sounds. But I found the most benefit from
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paying attention to my body where I had stuffed down
emotions and not processed them. So it was a beginner's
journey in meditation each time because I wasn't really aware
of these sensations and in fact, I started taking some
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exercise classes at the same time and found that I
could actually feel the tension in my body from you know,
either sitting and I call it mousing, you know, working
on the computer all day. Yeah, and the tension during
that time because I didn't know what else would blindside me.
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And I am really bad at being blindsided. That's one
of the learnings that I got through this was that
I don't like being blindsided, and so but there are
times when you need to actually let go of the
control and let things happen and look at it from
a more mindful perspective. So being in the moment was
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so important in finding out how I was feeling, how
I was processing the emotion, and then was there anything
else that my body needed at that moment to be
able to move beyond. And I still use a process
like that on my Thursday night. Mind from his meditation
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class from last week was exactly that. We went on
a journey to find out where nagging physical problem the
original emotion that was tied to it. And it was
really fascinating for all of us in the group that
we found things we didn't even think we were still
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caring with us so it was just fascinating.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I had a wonderful spiritual teacher who shared the expression
everything is unfolding in divine order. Your biography says that
you believe that everything happens in its own right time.
How may we see this in our lives?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Well, you know, we we all think that we have
a plan, and I think i've heard God God laughs
when man plans, so you know, things don't work out
as you plan. And I think the concept of things
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happening in their own right time is that we think
we're in control of things, but we're not, and things
work out to our advantage. If we think about things
that were disappointed about that didn't happen the way we planned,
or any any particular event where you know, maybe he
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missed the train, something simple like that, where you missed
it because there was an accident on the train line
that day or something to that effect. You were spared
some additional grief. So yes, you were put into some
mild to moderate discomfort about that, being disappointed, but yet
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it all turned out for your good. So that's what
I mean by everything happens in its own right time.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Reiki was life changing for me in so many ways.
In the early nineteen nineties. Please share with us how
reiki graced your life and what you experienced in the process.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
When I worked at the hospital where I was the
hospital administrator, I was over the cancer centers and I
thought it would be wonderful as an adjunct therapy to
bring in reiki practitioners to help the patients. Well, I
was summarily shot down from that, and I thought, wow,
(29:00):
this is just a shame that they have these backward attitudes.
But there were so many red flags in that job,
not only driving one hundred and twenty miles, but I
did some more investigation and actually talked to the reiki
practitioner that I was bringing on board, although it did
not happen, and I realized that this is an interesting process.
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It's more or less like a healing of hands hands free.
About ten years prior to that, I had done some
of the I think it's Elizabeth Brennan hands of Light work,
and this I felt was a continuation. So when I
was dressed through that process, I brought different modalities of reiki.
(29:50):
I actually went through the training process and became what's
it called a master Reeky Master. But my entire reason
for doing it was to perform reiki on myself and
help some of the symptoms that I was having. There
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was a red flag here as well that were preventing
me from working to my fullest. Because if we didn't
I didn't work, we didn't need So I began that
reiki process slowly over the years, had a few treatments
myself where someone else was giving me that. But when
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the tornado hit, I reached out almost immediately to one
of the local reiki practitioners. She had an associate. They
were very young compared to me, They were in their
twenties early twenties, but I found such insight from each
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of them as I was going through. And then I
had a reiki shawman as well, who brought some of
the shamanic techniques of breath and sam pating was her specialty.
On The training that I had wasn't necessarily like that.
There is some of that, but it was My training
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was more of bringing more light into the body and
finding those areas of dense energy. So it was a continuum.
It was the reiki, the hands of light, to the
reiki to the mindfulness and then onto the shamanic healing.
So anything else I can add about that.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
No, that's a wonderful share. And I had the blessing
of the studying with and becoming friends with a wonderful
woman by the name of Raven Keys, who basically developed
medical reiki mastery, and she actually opened the doors to
hospitals here in New York for people to go in
and practice, and it was just a wonderful thing think about.
I don't know what you're talking about in terms of
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trying to bring king into the hospital that you were
affiliated with, but this only happened within the last few years,
so it's taken a long time to get traditional Western
medicine to accept these alternative modalities in the hospital setting.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That is correct. That is correct. It was twenty fourteen,
a little before that, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Absolutely Grounded in Chaos is written in the form of
narrative poetry. What does that style mean to you?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I'm telling my story and a lot of times it's
not really rhyming poetry. It's as much short concepts the
way that I think and put it into these stories,
if you will. And to be honest, it started off
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as my journal. I had many of these short thoughts
that I was writing down that was helping me process emotions.
So as I was going through that, I actually wrote
Seven Mindful Questions before I wrote Grounded in Chaos. However,
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when I sent some of the poetry to my editor,
because Seven Mindful Questions was already with the editor. Once
I sent those poems, she's like, this has got to
be published first, so I respected her opinion. She's a
several book author herself, so that's how Grounded in Chaos
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was published first. But again, it wasn't meant to be
a book per se. It started off as being this
emotional journey where I began writing things down, and some
of the longer poems, like the one that has to
do with me walking on Glass, that one was just
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for my own personal healing, recognizing where I had gone wrong.
Why did I continue to do things that were to
my detriment. So it was a lot of introspection at first,
But then, as I said, I felt that if there
are those out there who are also going through where
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every single thing in their life could be going wrong
at the same time, then this book could potentially give
them some hope that they can experience some of that
raw emotion and by vicariously experiencing my emotion, they can
begin to process their own and then move on into
the phases that I went through to find that joy.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
And do you recommend that folks going through that do
their own form of journaling.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yes, yes, it's so therapeutic.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
You also share backstories with some of your poetic chapters.
What do these add to the offering?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Well, the poems stand on their own, but having some
perspective of where I was at that point in time.
There's a word that I'm searching for, this I'm escaping,
but it gives you context, gives you some context into
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my thought processes when I wrote that and when I
was experiencing those feelings.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
And in those backstories, you're basically sharing a more grounded
form of what you experienced that you share in the poetry.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Oh, thank you for that recognition. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Absolutely. One of your narrative homes is entitled Luminous and
I truly resonated with that. Would you share that with
our audience?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yes, this is an award winning poem, So in the
second version, I tell you about how I received an
award from the Toastmasters group and when I read the
poem to my ex husband. He sort of did a
mia I'm not into poetry, but it was so profound
to me. So that was with other you know, clearly
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disconnect on that part. But I was going to Wharton School.
My company was sending me there for advanced leadership training,
and I was super excited about this opportunity. So I
was on an American Airlines flight and I was going
from Wilmington, North Carolina, to Philadelphia, and being a virtually
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Pennsylvania resident for fifty nine years of my life, I
had flown into Philly many times, so I sort of
knew what to expect along the way. But what happened
is what you're going to hear now, luminous. I flew
through a cloud today, immersed in the light of heaven,
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white light above, below, and all around reflecting, immersed in
the light of heaven. Turbulence. Turbulence wakes me from the reverie.
The shaking proofs that it is not solid, an illusory
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temporal experience of the light of the afterlife. And emerging
from a cloud, a city appeared, placed down on terra firma.
The destination is ahead. Billions of people scurrying around. What
if they were all suddenly mindful and looked up to
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see the luminous light of heaven inside a cloud.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing that with us.
Thank you. How does humor contribute to resilience and challenging circumstances.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Oh? Yeah, you've got to keep amusement because life is
too serious as it is. You know, you've got to
be able to laugh at yourself. You've got to be
able to crack a few jokes. You've got to be
able to take a few jokes, and by doing so,
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it lifts the SyRI in it seriousness of what you're
going through to a higher vibration. Laughter is one of
the higher vibrations love and gratitude, or higher with gratitude
before love. So having a sense of humor is so
important as things are happening to you that are completely
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out of your control. So being able to laugh at
some of the aspects of it really keep you in
a grounded but yet elevated energy state.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You have an offering called two sentence poem, and that's
an example of humor. Please share that one with.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Us, Okay, my two sentence poem. Honesty is like virginity.
Once it's gone, there's no turning back.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I love that. My guest doctor Lisa Nezneski her book
Grounded in Chaos, Leaning into Adversity, Learning Joy. We'll be
back with more after these words on the Own Times
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Speaker 1 (42:43):
Back on Box novis my guest this week, doctor Lisa Nozneski,
her book Grounded in Chaos, Leaning into Adversity, Learning Joy.
Doctor Lisa, I've been bringing through inspired poetry since I
was a kid. Do you see your writing and poetry
as inspired?
Speaker 4 (43:05):
I do.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
From the literal meaning of inspired, which means to breathe in. Yes,
it feels like I am breathing in these thoughts that
they may not actually be coming to me, but I'm
you know they're not my thoughts. They're coming to me
per se because I have set my intention to sort
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out some things and they come through in like Luminus
did in one complete pemn in minutes start to finish,
no editing, yep. So yes, I absolutely believe that.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Each chapter seems like it plants the seeds for a meditation.
Was this intentional?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Well, it's so much of who I am that I'm
sharing bits and pieces of who I am, and that
definitely includes meditation. So was it intentional? I'm not really
sure because, like I said, I'm telling my story and
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it's part of me, so the sharing definitely, and I
wanted to make sure that I told people how much
it helped me.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Absolutely. Growded and Chaos, as you had mentioned, was actually
going to be your second book after Seven Mindful Questions.
Tell us a little bit about seven Mindful Questions.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Well, Seven Mindful Questions was the methodology that I developed
to help myself through those stressful times so that I
could stay on task and continue to work. And it's
it's really quite straightforward, and it is the relatively simple.
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I mean, it's the ABC caause and breathe e CBA.
So becoming aware of what you're thinking in that moment
and what you're doing, and is there an underlying reason
for it called because? That's the second question has to
do with that, And then is what I'm doing right
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now really necessary? You're working through a process, you're aware
of something, and then you're moving into why am I
doing this? So that's the because part of it, And
then why do I care about this? That's the third
question that sees the care So is this something that
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I really need to be doing? You know, we can
be productively procrastinating, like cleaning out the junk drawer, you know,
doing something that's not really that important. But the fourth
part where we pause and breathe and think about what
else you should be doing. That's where the breathing part
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of it is the meditation part that allows something better
to come in and that's that gives you a better
perspective on what it is you really should be doing
in that moment, So then you can choose what is essential.
You know, let's some of this junk drawer and other
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things that you're just killing time with, let them go
by the waistside and really begin to focus. And the
next is what can I do better, like why am
I still doing this? And why have I done this
for so many times? What is the pattern behind this?
Where you know, choosing what's essential was the emotional heart
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of the seven mindful questions, but moving on to what
you can do better is really the strategic decision making part,
the change agent. And then finally, what is the best
alternative for you at that point in time? So those
are the seven questions, and that methodology was so instrumental
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for me keeping on tasks that I expanded it to
include specific meditations for each of those seven questions. And
I do have a workbook as well. The book was
designed to stand on its own, but of course it's
a companion workbook, so you can read one or the other,
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but using them both together. If you really know that
you've hit that line in the sand where you're lying
on the emergency room scourney and you know things have
to change, that's where seven mindful questions came in. So
they sort of go hand in hand with you know,
I got to keep working, I got to stay on task.
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My head's kind of a mess at the moment. But
then I began writing the poetry to get that emotion
out of my body. So it was basically a two
pronged healing using both of those approaches.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
How many people learn to embrace change instead of fearing it.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
That's a great question. I love that, And I'm going
to tell my story of the manhole. So a guy
is walking down the street, he's got his phone in
his face, and boom, he falls down into a manhole.
So the construction workers are all laughing at him. They
go and they pull him out of the manhole, and
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he's so embarrassed that he just keeps going right back
to the phone. The next day he's walking down the
same street and he falls in the manhole again, and
the construction workers are just howling that this is so funny. He's,
you know, fell in twice. You know, these wall street
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guys can walk down the street, but they you know,
fall in hole. So, you know, again he's embarrassed. So
the third day he walks down, he still has his
phone in front of him. He gets to the hole,
he feels himself moving forward, but he did one of
those catches steps and moved back real quickly. And the
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guys are going, hey, buddy, you'll finally start to learn,
and still giving him the what for. And by the
fourth day he decides he's going to put his phone away,
and he finds himself walking around the hole. And by
the fifth day he decides he's going to walk down
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the opposite side of the street. So this is how
change happens in our life. We start off repeating the
same mistake, but making incremental changes as we go along
until you make the final change where that situation cannot
happen again. So you need to give yourself grace through
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that process where you're going to repeat the mistake, but
you keep that strong intention that you're not going to
and eventually your behavior meets your intention. So give yourself
some grace as you go through the change process.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Wonderful, Thank you. You've been quoted as saying health doesn't
always come from medicine, it comes from laughter and love.
How may we fill that prescription?
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Well, you don't go to the regular pharmacy for that,
because they're pretty serious. People find something that you really enjoy,
that you really love spending time with loved ones. I
have the great honor of having three grandchildren, and those
three grandkids are such a delight. I'll call my son
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and he's driving them to school and you're here in
the backseat, Grandma. They're all excited to talk to me.
So it's wonderful. They live back in Pittsburgh. I live here.
My grandson lives in Tucson, so you know, it's great
to build that relationship even though it's a long distance relationship.
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So that's the key to the love in my life.
I also met a wonderful marine who ex marine who
is my now husband, and we just laugh at things
all the time. He's got a great sense of humor
even when I'm having some really various days and I've
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made some more mistakes in the last year that I
hate to admit, but I'm working on them and he's
behind me. I feel that positive energy of his support.
So having support people in your in your life. I
have a great friend, Pam, who lives in Akron, Ohio.
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We were taking a class from the group in Boulder
and I said to her, you're from Pittsburgh, aren't you.
She said, how did you know? I said, well, I
know Pittsburgh. He's just as well as anyone else. So
I picked it out on just what she was saying,
and we became fast friends from that, and so, you know,
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building a new life, which is essentially what I did
once I left North Carolina. You know, I brought people
into my life that we share common interest and we
can support each other through the good and the bad times.
And it just it's like I've level up in so
many ways. But leading from your heart, you know, the
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Shamanic training is heart centered. It was called moonaiqi, which
means from the heart in the Cara language of Peru.
And I'm finding living my life from the heart is
really what feels that prescription for me absolutely.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
What message would you like your readers to take away
from Grounded in Chaos?
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Okay? One of the main messages is that, you know,
I really felt alone through the process, and I want
to make sure that people know that you are never alone,
and even though you may be in a space where
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there are no other physical beings in your space. For me,
it was my dog that was always with me through
those early phases. But I had I do still, I
have a deep spirituality that I felt, you know, when
I was so confused, I felt that phrase that the
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Holy Spirit can speak to you for you when you
don't have the words, can pray for you when you
don't have the words, So just be comfortable by knowing
that you are supported in invisible ways by the Holy
Spirit or your spirit guides. Your guardian angel can be
(54:42):
one of those where you have beings that want to
help you that are on the other side. So tuning
into that spiritual foundation is really a key to help
you get through whatever it is that you're going through
in your life.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
The Wisdom of doctor Lisa Neznski her book Grounded in Chaos,
Leaning Into Adversity, Learning Joy, Doctor Lisa, one more time,
please share with our listeners with it and get your
books and find out all about you and your wonderful work.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
My website is my name Www. Lisa nez Neski spelled
well the typical way he'd spell Lisa l Isa, and
nes Nesky is spelled November echo Zulu November Echo Samuel
Hiloindia dot com. And my website is chalk full of information,
(55:42):
including free meditations. I have a YouTube site with all
of my meditations posted all for free, and my store
is ww W Healthymindful Self dot com.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
Doctor Lisa, thank you so much for joining us and
sharing this experience and this wonderful wisdom.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Thank you so much for having me Victor, and.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Thank you for joining us on Vox Novus. I'm Victor,
the Voice perman have a wonderful week.
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