April 25, 2025 • 56 mins
Air Date - 24 April 2025
Born with physical challenges that shaped her path, Jill Amy Sager embraced her identity as an outsider, channeling her challenges into a remarkable connection with “Guidance”—a collective energy of love and wisdom she describes as “a radio frequency that’s always on.” This connection has led her to help countless individuals navigate life’s uncertainties through Tarot and channeled readings. Jill’s work isn’t rooted in academic philosophy or spiritual dogma but in deep personal experiences and an authentic connection with universal energy. Her insights are both accessible and transformative.
Her website is https://jillamysager.com/ and she joins me this week on Vox Novus to share her path and new book, Guidance from the Universe: Hopeful Messages for Everyday Challenges.
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Born with physical challenges that shaped her path, Jill Amy Sager embraced her identity as an outsider, channeling her challenges into a remarkable connection with “Guidance”—a collective energy of love and wisdom she describes as “a radio frequency that’s always on.” This connection has led her to help countless individuals navigate life’s uncertainties through Tarot and channeled readings. Jill’s work isn’t rooted in academic philosophy or spiritual dogma but in deep personal experiences and an authentic connection with universal energy. Her insights are both accessible and transformative.
Her website is https://jillamysager.com/ and she joins me this week on Vox Novus to share her path and new book, Guidance from the Universe: Hopeful Messages for Everyday Challenges.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Vox Novus, the New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension.
Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
(00:29):
Vox Novus, the New Voice. Born with physical challenges that
shaped her path, Jill Amy Sager embraced her identity as
an outsider, channeling her challenges into a remarkable connection with Guidance,
(00:49):
a collective energy of love and wisdom she describes as
a radio frequency that's always on. This connection has led
her to help countless individuals navigate life's uncertainties through taro
and channeled readings. Jill's work isn't rooted in academic philosophy
or spiritual dogma, but in deep personal experiences and in
(01:12):
authentic connection with universal energy. Her insights are both accessible
and transformative. Her website is Jillamysager dot com, and she
joins me this week on Vox Novus to share her
path and new book, Guidance from the Universe, hopeful messages
for everyday challenges. Please join me in welcoming to Vox Novus.
(01:38):
Jill Amy Sager, Welcome, Jill.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Victor Jill, please share with our listeners the challenges you
faced on your early path and how they shape your life.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Oh wow. Well, I was born with one leg shorter
than the other, and when I was nine years old,
my parents decided to lengthen that leg, which was more
of a risky surgery. It was a bit experimental, rather
than shortening the other leg. My leg, the left leg
was short, and it was normal, you know, it was
(02:12):
normal function. But after surgery, it took a bad turn.
Surgery didn't work, and so I was left more physically disabled,
not just wearing a lift on my shoe, but also
since then, I've had very minimal function of knee and
foot and there's a lot of nerve damage. I walk
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with a very pronounced limp, and also developed scoliosis during
that time, which is curvature of the spine, just due
to being I think in and out of wheelchairs a lot.
There was a lot of healing that had to be
done between the ages of nine and twelve, and I
was in and out of hospitals, put into special schools,
(02:53):
living in the BRONX. I'm telling you all this because
I maybe it's my personality. Maybe it's the way my
parents treated me. They didn't treat me any different. I
learned to be very resilient, and I also learned to adapt.
And I also learned that I didn't want anything to
hold me back, including a physical disability. So although in
(03:17):
the sixties, this was in the sixties and the seventies,
growing up as a child and a teenager, that time
was not favorable to disabled people. I have to say
there were a lot of stares. It's a little different today.
I'm not saying disabled people don't have difficulties in terms
of how society sees us, but it was a lot
different back then. And I really although went through a
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lot of self you know, I'm not going to say
self up, it's of self consciousness. Due to how people
perceived me, I was able to continue on with my
life and be somebody who believed perhaps more in myself
and what I could do than how people perceived me.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Your biography says that you embraced your identity as an outsider.
How did you see yourself in this role?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well, when I became an adult, I started to realize
that my life was a bit of a perfect storm
around that I grew up Jewish in a neighborhood that
was predominantly Irish Catholic, so there was outside of you there.
I was physically grew up physically disabled, felt like an
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outsider there. I also grew up my parents were not
college educated, working class people, and many of my relatives
were a lot wealthier I'll say not wealthy, but had
more money than we did in and out of hospitals,
being taken out of mainstream schools, I think a lot.
(04:55):
I mean, so that was I started to realize that
that view of feeling like an outid, that I was different,
came from a lot of aspects of my life, and
I think a lot of people can relate to that
feeling outside. It made me. I didn't realize that it
made me think it was only me growing up that
I felt so different, walking around like everybody was looking
(05:19):
at me, Everybody looked so normal compared to me. Everybody's
life seems so much better than me. But as I
got older, I started to realize that being different, we're
all different, we're all unique, and to see it in
a different way, to switch perception and to see all
of us as unique and different really changed my life,
(05:41):
and that was a really a great turning point for me.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You call the energy that your channel the guidance. Why
do you call it that? And how did you get
started channeling?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Oh? Thanks for asking. Unexpectedly, I received Tarot cards in
the seven as I mentioned, a girl from a Jewish
girl from the Bronx had no idea what they were there.
Reading given to me was very special. I felt like
the cards knew me. And pretty soon after that the
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same person who gave me the reading, a friend of mine,
gave me a deck of cards and I studied and studied.
I'm telling you this because I believe that over the
course of time of working with pictures, Tarot is a
pictorial modality. Obviously, my intuition really got very heightened, my
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personal intuition. I was at that point reading for people,
not thinking I'd be a Tarot reader by profession. But
word had gotten out that I was doing this, and
my intuition grew. I trusted it. I was also a musician,
so I really believe that creative, intuitive side of the
brain is the reason that I started to hear these voices.
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I will say it was unexpect did not expect to
start to get information from the universe. It wasn't what
I was seeking. And I think the other important piece
that created this in my life. But I was probably
in my thirties when this happened. I'm sixty eight now.
I also, when I moved to Oregon, I met a
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woman who was a channeler slash psychic, and so seeing her,
it wasn't like I thought, Oh, I'm going to do
what she's doing, but it didn't seem so wacky weird
watching her have this insight, and it seemed just natural
(07:41):
for her. And I think it's like everything in life,
when we get support, when we see other people doing something,
it can give us the courage or just the interest.
And as I said, I didn't have the interest, but
it certainly when it happened to me. I didn't think,
oh I should turn this off, or because I I
had been with this person, a friend of mine, and
(08:02):
she was so loving and the information was so loving.
And that has been my experience ever since.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
How does the information come to you? Are you a
clairvoyant or a clare audience or class entient or a
combination of those.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
A combination, I would say, I get images that I
then have to explain. I also get direct words. I
also get feelings in my body that like a pendulum,
will let me know if I'm on the right track. Yeah,
all of that, and I will say that, you know
(08:37):
you asked about the name guidance. I had asked when
this all happened to me. I asked, what are you?
What should I call you? What is this? And the
only answer I got was, you can call us anything.
You can call us Mary, John, you can call us anything.
Names are a vibration and very just instinctively right away way,
(09:00):
I thought, okay, guidance, And you know, I looked up
that word in the dictionary. It just means help, as
we all know, and so I identify it that way as help.
But I also think I need to clarify that I
have never boxed in what this is. I don't know
what it is. What I remain in my own belief
(09:24):
system is that it's the wonder of what the universe offers,
and I have always just believe that it's love, because
that's what it is, unconditional love. And the messages are
very profound, more than I could possibly know in terms
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of my you know, consciousness or what I know about life.
They're just very profound messages about different topics that actually
I have in my book, different kinds of issues. We
all grapple with, jealousy, judgment, those kinds of things. And
I use this help, this universal help for myself all
(10:05):
the time and for clients now these days. And I
have to say that it's something that I never turned
away from, and it's something that I've learned to accept,
even if I can't tell you specifically what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And of course, within the word guidance, you have dance,
so you're dancing with the universe.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, I love that. That's great. Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely.
And I also think too, And I write this in
my book, which just came out in January. I don't
think what I'm saying is new. I went, you know,
this idea that we're getting love, whether people believe, you know,
they're getting it from angels or an ancestor or whatever.
(10:54):
You know, it's all fine. Like I said, for me,
I don't know what it is, but I know it's
not just me and what I'm receiving and not just
for me. And I think that's why I say it's universal.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Does guidance have any type of apparition. Does it appear
to you in any way?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
No, but I can feel sometimes I can feel them.
I feel it as a group. I don't feel it
as a singular thing or person or entity. So I
do feel it as a group. And although they never
come to me visually, there are moments when I'm working
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with a client or even for myself that I feel there.
I'm going to say it this way. I don't know
how else does describe it, kind of their emotional an
emotional way that they have, even though they've told me
they don't have emotions on that side. But it's almost
like my way of interpreting it is sometimes I feel
(12:00):
sometimes I feel their frustration with us. Sometimes I feel
so much unconditional love, so much. I mean, it's it's
beyond words. And I also sometimes get their humor. You
know that that they're funny. So there is something going
on there that feels like there is some connection that's
(12:26):
beyond just that that is emotional, even though they've told
me they don't have emotions on that side.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
And it's possible that you're using your chakras that are
related to emotions and to love the heart chakra and
to communication, the throat chakra in the process of doing so,
and that's how you feel it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. Perhaps that's that's a good, good thought.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, what did guidance offer you on your path after
your initial connection?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Wow? I you know you asked that question, and I
got teary eyed. It was initially unconditional love and help
like very concrete, very concrete like taro offers us insight
about ourselves that helps us if we're willing to grow
and change and transform. And that's how I felt about guidance.
(13:20):
Like I'll give you an example. I maybe because of
the way I was brought up, maybe because of my disability.
It was not always easy right, And at some point
I realized that I was a depressive kind of person.
I would wake up in the morning and I didn't
feel light. I always felt heavy. I was able to function.
(13:43):
It wasn't that I couldn't get out of bed, but
I just didn't feel happy or joyful. And this went
on for many years, it felt like, and then it
got to a point I can't remember the year where
a lot of people I knew a lot of were
getting on antidepressants. And I'm the kind of person who
if you look at my medicine cabinet. I have ibuprof
and I don't take anything. I don't even like to
(14:05):
take anything. And I remember thinking, but oh, maybe that's
what I need, like I personally need antidepressants. And I
remember going to guidance asking this question and they said, no,
you'll find another way. Now, I want to sidebar. Let
you know that I this is not a cult for me.
(14:27):
I do not just do everything that they tell me
to do. I don't prescribe to all of what they
offer me. It has to resonate with me. It has
to feel right. But they planted a seed and I
thought about that for a while, and it turned out
that they were right. That I did find another way.
(14:50):
I found other ways through mindful meditation. I found other
ways through being somebody who started to read books, self
help books, those kinds of things must have been in
the eighties, right and nineties, and other ways that I found.
And I am a different person today without medicine. I'm
not saying that other people don't need it, but for me,
(15:13):
it was the right, It was the right thing to
listen to. And I'm so grateful because what I changed
was deeply about myself, and I learned how to love myself,
to not take myself too seriously, to really honor and
accept who I am in a way that I couldn't
(15:36):
have imagined.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
And if you just went with that, you would have
succeeded in life. But you have to bring this gift
to others. So tell me about how you combine TWR
reading with guidance in your sessions.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah. Thanks, I do bring this to others what I've
learned and what I continue to learn, and so I
do love Taro. I still use the cards. I don't
need them per se because I do channel information. I
get information from the universe for clients now, but I
do use cards. I'll spread them out for a client
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and then it's a combination now of what I receive
from the universe for my clients and also what I
see in the cards. And the other thing that comes
through now are the things that I've learned personally, And
a lot of times that's what guidance says, just you know,
just tell them this, you know, and what I mean
(16:33):
by this, the things that I've learned. Because there are
general nobody is the same. We all have our different
ways of moving through the world. Obviously I'm stating the obvious,
but there are some similarities that we have. You know,
we feel stuck at times, and guidance has helped me
to see what that is. What does it mean to
(16:54):
be stuck? And what they've said is nobody really is.
It feels like that, but we are always moving, We're not.
The word stuck isn't maybe the best word to use.
And so that's an example of something that they've taught
me that I can tell a client per se when
they say when they use that word, because you know, Victor,
(17:15):
we all know everybody listening probably knows words have a
lot of power.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Absolutely well, when a client comes to you, what do
they benefit from the Taro or Channeld reading. What are
some of the things that clients learn in that process?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well, like I said, there was one example about being stuck.
Sometimes there is a simple change of perception. That is
I think the biggest gift that guidance has given me.
You know, you asked about that earlier, and I think
for clients too, like stuck for instance, going back to
that to tell somebody, you know, you're not really stuck,
(17:53):
You're just in a place where you don't know something
or you feel like you don't have an answer. And
I think that when I think that perception, how we
perceive our lives and how we perceive ourselves is maybe
the basis for me of the beginning of change. And
in my book Guidence gave me the first chapter they
(18:17):
said awareness is all and I absolutely believe that. So
I think the biggest thing that I offer with my
readings has to do with a perceptive change. Let's look
at this in a different way. Like example, I'll have
clients who come and I will say sidebar here again.
I don't like to advertise that I'm psychic per se
(18:39):
because I think that word conjures up a lot of
things that are just not just not okay in my
belief system, you know, like future predicting. But it can happen.
It can happen. Yet I do still get clients who
will come and ask me, oh, will Joe come back
to me? I so love him and we're taking a break,
(19:00):
will he come back? And I will always tell that client,
you know, rather than focusing on that question, because that's
your future. And in my world, I feel like if
I answer that question with a yes, then your expectation
is high. You'll be looking for it, you'll miss other things.
(19:22):
If I say no, you'll be disappointed, like what is
that there's no point? But what I do say to
that client is let's figure out why or what this
means to you, Like why is it so important? Or
what can you learn from waiting for this person or
for even putting your attention and focusing your attention on
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that person rather than yourself. So that's what I mean.
That's an example of a perceptive change.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
If someone wanted to learn how to receive messages from
the universe, how would you advise them to begin?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I love that question. I actually believe. I don't know
if other people think this, but there are a few
things I believe about this one. I believe that it's
really the blocks that get in the way of this,
that we have blocks that don't allow for this. Fear, resistance,
(20:19):
religious upbringing, being skeptical, being thinking I can't do it.
I mean, there are a lot of blocks, I think,
so being aware of the blocks and working with those,
I think helps. I think the other thing has to
do with practice. Practice in simple ways, practice in fun ways,
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ask for a message, ask for help more often. I
think a lot of us have this perception that help
is limited. Oh, someone else needs it more than me. Well,
you know, according to guidance, there's enough help to go around.
And I also think again, like Sidebarwin, we are wondering
if I deserve the help or if I you know,
(21:06):
it's because someone else is suffering more. In a way,
we're kind of judging how things are rather than just
focusing on the fact that everybody can get, you know,
what they need with the help that's available. So I
think that asking for things more often, looking for signs
(21:27):
and symbols, and that helps us to open up a
little bit. I think I remember sitting when I was practicing.
I remember sitting on a river at a river, and
it was a clear blue sky, and I was going
through a very difficult period, and I asked the universe
what I needed to know, and right then across my
vision was a butterfly. I mean, there had been nothing
(21:49):
across my vision, and this butterfly went from one side
of the bank to the other, and I thought, oh, okay,
I'm in a place of transforming, of transition. It helped
me to put my life in perspective rather than being
so twitter painted about it. I think the other thing
too about asking is I don't I believe there's nothing
too small or too large, so go for it. I
(22:12):
have friends that used to say, Jill, people pray for
world peace, you're just praying for a good parking spot.
You know. It doesn't mean I'm going to get it,
but I can certainly ask for it. I'm to say
I don't want to walk. This is when there were
maybe you know, not that many disabled parking spots. I'm
going to costco. You better believe I don't want to
get stuck way out in the boonies. That's hard for me.
(22:32):
So you know, I asked for a parking spot. So
I think that's the other thing. I think, you know,
practice have fun with it. And then the third thing
in answering to your question has to do with opening
up our non rational brain, you know, the right side,
and being less I think many of us are very
(22:55):
you know, left brain. We're rational, we want answers, we
want to know. We're looking for a concrete in the box.
You know everything about time, about answers, about choices, And
I think that opening up a little bit more to
the wonder, being a little less conscious of how things
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have to go and being more open to how things
might go is helpful. I think it's Deeprok Choper that
says meaningful coincidences right, that puts a different spin when
things happen. We go, oh, that's just a coincidence. We
take that, you know, for granted. But he's saying, no,
I mean, look at it in a different way. Is
(23:38):
it a coincidence? Is it meaningful? So? I think starting
to work in a way that when you are more rational, Oh,
I can only get money if I save a dollar
every day. Well, I learned a long time ago that
even that is fluid, that I actually never know how
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money's going to come. Saying I don't save that would
be foolhardy not to put money away. But there are
other ways money can come, and I've had that experience.
So it's not always that we think. I think testing
ourselves a little bit more, letting things go a little
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bit more, being less controlling. I think these are things
to be aware of if you want to allow for
the universe to speak with you.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
And to your point, is it possible for anyone to
tap into this energy, to this intuition.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I think so, And I'll tell you why. I have
a friend I've known for maybe thirty years who is
a I'm not big on astrology, I don't know it
that well, but she is a true virgo, very list
making person, very rational. She is somebody who came to
me years ago for a tarror reading, like thirty years ago.
(24:57):
I don't always become friends with clients, but she and
I connected, and over the years she started coming to
me for readings, and I was offering her as we talk,
different perceptions about her life. But her life very boxed in.
Things are black and white, this or that. I want
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you to know that. Being friends with me for all
these years, she now gets messages all the time. She
still comes to me. She'll still ask for clarification. That's
about self trust. We do have to also trust ourselves
in this and also open our own personal intuition, which
(25:39):
is something she did too. She started listening to her
own intuition. I think that's an important way also to
start receiving messages from the universe. But I saw it
happen with her, so I don't think what's I'm not special,
what's happened to me? If it can happen to me,
I know this sounds cliche, but I do believe it
can have and to everybody this is this information is
(26:03):
available and I'm not the only one right who is
able to you know, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Absolutely, my guest Jill Amy Sager her new book, Guidance
from the Universe, Hopeful Messages for everyday challenges. Jill, please
share with our listeners where they can get your book
and find out more about you and your amazing work.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Oh, thank you. Yeah, you can find me with My
name is Jill Amy Sager or Sager s A G
E R Amy A M. Y. You can find me
through my website. You can contact me there at Jillamysager
dot com. You can also find me on Instagram, Facebook, substack,
(26:45):
and YouTube all under that same Jill Amysager my name,
and the book is being distributed by Simon and Schuster,
so you can get it everywhere books are sold.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Absolutely, And if you go to your local bookstore and
they don't have it, ask them to order it for you, right.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yes, thank you, or your library ask your library to
get it or your library.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
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Speaker 1 (27:45):
Back on Box Novus, my guest this week Jill Amy Sager.
We're talking about her brand new book, Guidance from the Universe,
hopeful messages for everyday challenges. Jill, what inspired you to
write your new book, Guidance from the Universe.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I'm laughing. That's a really funny question because I had
transcripts I had received these messages I mentioned right, grief
and jealousy and judgment, and they were so profound, and
I had written them in a journal and I was
getting information from I was. I remember standing at my
altar one day just asking the universe. I can't even
(28:25):
remember what I needed help with at the time. And
at the end of this dialogue I was having with them,
they said, do you think that all this information was
just given to you. And I was like, yeah, thanks,
and they were like no, and their push I was
already writing. I had another book that was out, a
(28:46):
nonfiction book, and they said no. And the message they got,
the message they sent was that it wasn't just for
me that they in essence, it felt like they were
telling me that they were doing all this work, they
were giving me all this great stuff and me just
keeping it to myself was never their plan, so I realized,
(29:10):
and so I asked, and they're like right. And so
I started this book. And it wasn't until I had
transcribed all the messages that I thought, well, you know,
maybe I will write my stories, my personal stories for
how I have used the information for myself over the years.
(29:30):
And then that happened, and then, you know, books do
take a life, They have a life with their own sometimes.
And it wasn't until a few years later I'm in
the writing of this book when I thought, maybe I'll
put questions in each chapter to help the reader, you know,
(29:50):
maybe jumpstart their own thoughts about each topic. So every
chapter has guidances, words in their words about the topic
that are loving and really beautiful. And still I'm amazed
by what they tell me, what they're telling us, and
then my own personal stories. And then every chapter ends
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with reflections, which, as I mentioned, two or three questions
for the reader.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Absolutely each chapter begins with the image of a Tarot card.
Why did you choose to do that?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, well that's another evolution of the book. When the
book was done, I had a vision that each chapter
needed to start with the title like awareness, and then
something that guidance said about awareness a very quick little quote,
and I saw a graphic. I thought it'd be really
pretty to have some kind of graphic in the book.
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And it wasn't until and that it dawned on me
the graphic could be a Tarot card. I do love taro,
and that's really how it happened. But interestingly enough, I
know taro like the back of my hand. I mean,
I know every card so well. But I decided rather
than picking a Tarot card with the exact definition definition
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that I knew, I decided to pick the cards intuitively.
And so some people might not agree with the card
I picked. But I do have a chapter in the
back that goes through every card that I picked and
what I felt, the reason that I picked the card,
and I do mention that it came through intuition, and
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I'm curious. I hope people who are tarot readers or
love cards. I invite in my book for them to
get to me and write me and let me know
what card would you have picked, because it's fascinating to
use our intuition.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
And in the book, you also talk about your personal
physical struggles when you were a child. What would you
share about the correlation you've observed between overcoming physical challenges
and deep spiritual connection.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Wow, that's an interesting question. I don't know if I
have an answer for that, but when I've thought about it,
I know from other people's experiences that I've read or
I've heard that deep physical trauma can perhaps maybe jumpstart
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that kind of listening or you know, maybe because we
need more help or there's faith, or to get through
a physical trauma, no matter what it is, sometimes we
need like a higher power. I don't know how to
express it, but it's more of a sense I have
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that maybe being so confined and alone because I was
very I was physically confined in bed for a very
long time and very much isolated. For my peers in
third grade and fourth grade, fifth grade, sixth grade, and
then heading into middle school wearing braces, you know, middle school,
like you know, that's when you're twelve and you're getting
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into how you look, especially for girls. You know, it's
a whole big thing. And I think that I do
remember feeling so isolated, and so yeah, just isolation must
is a good word more than being an outside are
just very isolated. And perhaps there is something about trauma
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that maybe can elicit a sense of needing help. I mean,
but I think that still there's as I had a resilience,
not everyone's resilient, you know, people. When I think back
to my life, it's a wonder to me that I
wasn't crushed by some of the things that happened to me,
including how my parents treated me. I don't need to
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go into that here, but I didn't have the emotional
support actually that a lot of kids do who are
going through physical issues. So it was a lot. But
I think that perhaps an answer to your question, I'm
not the only one that has a says you that,
really you either sink or swim, and there's something about
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swimming that many I think people who have gone through
trauma are able to do I think ultimately we're survivors.
That's what I've learned, and that's what I think about
the human condition. I mean, people have experienced things that
are incredibly difficult, and yet we survive. Not everybody does
it well, but many of us do.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
What would you offer to others about using personal challenges
as a catalyst for growth.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Well, I think again it gets back to perception. I
think one of the things that I learned from guidance
from the universe is that suffering. We all suffer, and
suffering isn't necessarily what we're supposed to be doing. We're
supposed to be supposed to be I mean, the ultimate
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would be to live in enjoy all the time, right,
that would be great, but we tend to take This
is what I've learned from the universe, that we tend
to take our joy or happiness for granted. And unfortunately
it's through our challenges, when our asses get kicked, that
we notice that we notice things. But of course it's
how we get through those situations that defines our lives.
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And so an answer to your question, I do believe
that we have the ability. Some of us may be
more than others, but there's always support to get through
our challenges in ways where we see them not as
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not as a victim, not as a why is this
happening to me? But as a way to accept that
it's what's been put in front of us, and what
are we going to do with that? Because I've learned
that if I judge what's in front of me, and
if I rail against what's in front of me a challenge,
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that doesn't really help me. I'm just in a state
of continual suffering through that and also being a victim.
Why me, Why is this happening? But what am I
really going to get from that? You know, in my world,
I'm not going to get far with that attitude. It's
gonna do me under at some point, make me feel angry,
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perhaps make the pain worse. So I have found that
the path in front of me. I'm not saying that
when I have challenges, I just breeze through them. I
mean there's no way, but eventually for myself, when I
realize I've suffered enough, you know, whether it's because I'm
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having a hard day, a hard couple of days, something's happened,
like a stink bomb has been thrown my way. If
I stay in that space too long, I'm starting to
feel just crushed by it. And when I notice that,
when I notice that how restrictive and constrictive I feel
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in body, mind, spirit, I sit down with myself. I
turn on a timer for maybe you know, ten minutes,
and I sit quietly, not to do away with my
feelings or not to do away with trying to be happy,
but to really sit with myself and digest how I
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am truly feeling. And I then can make a choice
about how much I want to suffer. I might not
always know how to get out of the suffering right away,
but if I sit on Tuesday, and then on Thursday,
and then on Sunday, eventually I get to the feelings
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the emotions that are keeping me trapped. Sometimes it's that
I just had to put this don't like myself very much,
so that feeling of compassion comes up, or I cry
for myself, and that alleviates a lot too, So I think,
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you know, it's like anger. I used to be a
very angry person, and I had no control over that anger.
It was a knee jerk reaction to things. And at
the point that I realized that it was harming me
and those around me. I decided to change that idea
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about what anger was, and it took many years for
me to understand that it wasn't anger. That's a problem.
Holding on to anger is toxic. So getting rid of
anger is great, But again, how do I deal with anger?
It's going back to the challenge is how do we
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manage deal except what it is we're feeling, what it
is that we understand about ourselves. So I think that
just suffering all the time, because let's face it, anybody
who's as angry as I was doesn't like themselves very much.
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I know that when I see people that are raging
in the world and are so angry, I know that
they can't possibly deeply, deeply think that that's okay. There
is something going on there, and I think that transformation
and change has to the only way I know for
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it to happen is to be self reflective.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
And know that you're worthy.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah yeah, And I think through self reflection we start
to understand that it's one thing to believe that we
all deserve. Because I do believe that we're all worthy.
I absolutely believe that believe that we should air quotes,
have as much compassion, love, and acceptance for ourselves that
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we give to others. I absolutely believe it, but getting
there takes self examination to be someone who's willing to say, wow,
I'm having a day where I don't believe this, and
rather than being what Guidance has taught me, rather than
looking for how can I be different? Or why am
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I like this? Why don't I feel I'm worthy today?
That they've taught me that that can be kind of
like a spin cycle. Why how? And according to them,
it doesn't really get us very far. And what they
have taught me is that the way that we can
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change is actually by feeling how much suffering we're causing ourselves.
And that sometimes sounds a little bit crazy because or strange,
because we're all suffering, and I think that many of
us feel that if we dig into that suffering, we'll
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suffer more. And I remember a client one saying to
me she never cries, and Guidance challenged her, it was like,
well why, and she said, because I'm afraid if I start,
if I feel all that grief, I'll never stop. And
they said, no one ever drowned in their own tears,
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So it really is about allowing ourselves to have a
full range of what we're feeling about ourselves so that
we can feel that for ourselves, and then I know
when I do it, I have a lot of compassion
for myself, and all of my feelings of that were
there moments ago of not feeling worthy and not feeling
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okay with myself. It all dissipates very quickly as soon
as I really dig into how much fighting I'm doing
within myself, how much suffering I'm creating for myself. You know, Victor,
it's so easy for us to blame the world other
people for why we're suffering, but really, you know, I
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do believe we have choice about how much we're going
to suffer.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Absolutely. I'll give you a quick personal share. When I
was a kid, I never felt that my father loved
me until when I was eight years old. He had
a surgery, had one of his legs amputated from uh
He had diabetes at the time, and it became aangrenous
and he had to have the leg amputated. And at
that point I became part of the caretaking team along
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with my mother, his caretaking team, and for the first
time I felt that he loved me, and it wired
in my young mind, if you care for others, you
will be loved. And that set a pattern in my
life that I would run around and take care of
everybody else, often at the cost of my own health
and my own emotional stability and what have you. And
it took until my late forties early fifties for me
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to use the n word no. And I understood that
I didn't have to say yes to everyone, that there
were people who were perfectly capable of taking care of
themselves and their own needs, and that I would only
respond yes to those who truly needed anything that I
had to offer. And that changed my life and it
healed me.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, it's really interesting when we get off balance that way,
like too much giving, not enough receiving or it's it
is true. I agree with you that giving, you know
that offering, that saying yes and helping people is a
way that sometimes we can get out of our own
way and feel better about ourselves when we're having a
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hard day. Diversion's good. I remember when I was going
through a really hard breakup, I was so grateful I
had work. I loved my customers, I loved helping them,
and it really took my mind off my suffering. That
was great. Right guidance has taught me that our life
of giving and receiving. They showed me. They gave me
(44:08):
the image of a quarter. I don't know why, but
there it was, and it kind of helps me. And
they were like, you know, a quarter has to be
a heads in a tail. It's a fifty to fifty.
There it's like that makes one hundred percent. It's not.
It's equal equal, And I believe that's true for us.
It's what you're describing too much giving or too much
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receiving off balance. So it's really that perfect bonding of
the two, knowing when you've given enough and knowing when
you need to receive. I heard a friend recently tell
me that she was having a hard time and I actually,
I can use myself actually as an example. I met
my husband. I was about fifty one, and I always
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had a hard time trusting people and also believing when
they said they liked me or they loved me. I
felt like it went. I felt like I had a
wall and I couldn't accept. I couldn't feel it in
my body that they truly did that they really were
telling me that they loved me and liked me, and
I just it was like it didn't even go in me.
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And that had to do with my mother and how
difficult my relationship with her. I knew where it's stemmed from,
but it just didn't. I couldn't change it, and I
ended up feeling I mean, it started to create problems.
So when I my husband, I was fifty one, I
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actually told him, I said, you know, it's going to
take a while, maybe a year. I said, I just
threw out that number for me to trust that you
love me. So I was out of balance. You know,
I was giving, I was loving. People said that I
was very generous, and I was optimistic, and I was loving,
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but I couldn't take it in. I didn't. It took me.
I don't It wouldn't take me a year, but it
even took me way long into my relationship with him.
Whenever he hugged at me and said he loved me,
I swear I just could not feel it. So I
was at a balance. I couldn't receive, and I started
to realize that not receiving was almost like putting up
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my hand to somebody and saying I don't care. They
were telling me they cared but how selfish of me
or I don't know if that's the right where, but
a little bit like oh, putting my hands up saying no,
I don't believe you kind of put people in a
difficult position, I think, always having to prove that they did.
Like I'm just, you know, an empty hole, like I
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just have to Who's going to fill me up? Nobody
could fill me up. And it really took me a while.
And the reason it changed is because I needed it
to change, you know. Guidance gave me that image, and
I realized, wow, I'm at a balance. I need to
take in the truth of what people are telling me
and feel it truly in my body and soul that
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I am loved.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Absolutely. My guest Jill Amy Sager her new book, Guidance
from the Universe, Hopeful Messages for everyday challenges. We'll be
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Speaker 1 (47:46):
Back on Vox Novus. My guest this week Jill Amy
Sager her new book Guidance from the Universe Hopeful Messages
for Everyday Challenges. Amy. In the book, you share several
chapters dealing with universal topics. You had mentioned anger before,
but also forgiveness and grief and abundance. Can you give
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us an example of some of the wisdom that Guidance
has shared with you, For example with forgiveness.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Oh wow, that's a big one. Yeah, forgiveness is so huge,
so huge. Well, I'll tell you a little bit about
what is in the book on that chapter. So I
mentioned a little earlier that my I had a very
difficult relationship with my mom and I would call her.
I'm on the West coast, she's on the East coast.
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I would call her every couple of weeks. It was
an obligatory call. I wanted her to know I was
thinking about her. But I never felt like I mentioned
about my husband. I didn't feel connected to her in
any way, and I didn't like her I felt like
a bad daughter, and I started to notice it was
affecting other areas of my life, personal relationships that I
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was holding on to anger about her. It was just
it was just messy. And Guidance said to me, get
you know other women who have the same difficult relationship
with their moms. And they gave me the idea to
form a forgiveness circle with these women. And I was like,
what is that and they said, don't worry. And I'm paraphrasing,
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they don't quite talk like this, but in essence, it
was like, don't worry, we'll help you. We'll give you
the information you need. And so I called these three
other women. They were totally into it. They came and
sure enough, Guidance gave us information every week and one
of the things, one of the first things they said,
which blew our minds, was that we had to forgive ourselves.
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And we were all like, what, Like, what are we
going to do with that? And basically what we learned
was that we all actually were holding on to a
bit of self hate because we didn't love our moms
and it didn't matter. And again, it was kind of
a was a victim stance that we felt like they
didn't do right by us. They you know, our list
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was long. But the truth is we really hated ourselves
for not being good daughters and for holding onto all
this negativity. So they helped and the guidance helped, and
we learned first to forgive ourselves and not everybody. I
don't know everybody's story that was in that group in
terms of what transpired, but I did work on that.
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I worked on forgiving myself first. And I'm going to
tell you that the strangest thing, and this is in
the book, is that through self forgiveness, I ended up
forgiving my mom, which it turned out it didn't even
have to work on that, and something I learned about
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for it, and so it was bizarre. I actually the
last time I saw her, I went to visit her
in New York before she died. She and I hung out,
and I was expecting the same old, same old stuff
with her, that I would be uptight, that she would
be uptight, we'd both just be waiting, couldn't wait to
get away from each other, and instead we had the
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most lovely lunch, the most lovely conversation. I saw her
twice that week, which was like very unusual. We were
both softer energetically. I was softer, so I think it's
why she was softer. We never talked about what the
change and what happened. But something I learned about forgiveness
from that experience was that not forgiving myself, like carrying
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around that much self hate or that much being twitter
paid about my mom really kept me trapped, like it
wasn't a very freeing feeling or freeing life. And so
they were right. I had to figure out how to
love myself, accept myself so I could feel better. And
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it was through feeling better about myself that I started
to see, oh, my gosh, you know she's a human
being too, and she has her own issues and why
a lot of them have nothing most of them have
nothing to do with me. And when she died, just
to express this to you in a deeper way, about
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this lesson that I got about forgiveness. When she died,
I still didn't know if I liked her, and I
said to people, but I did accept her love and
I did feel like I loved her. I was more
open and I asked people who knew her, oh, why
did you like my mom? And they started to tell me,
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and I realized. And something that changed for me was
that I realized I liked her too. I liked who
she was, but I will never like her being a mom.
And it's okay. She wasn't a good mom. But I
no longer carry the weight of the resentment or the
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feeling like a victim to that. It's just a fact
she was not a good mom to me. But I have,
through forgiveness and through hearing what other people liked about her,
I'm yeah, I've taken that in and you know what,
I actually liked my mom. She was a very interesting person.
Lesson that you learned, Yeah, you know, but I can't.
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It's okay not to be able to, you know, transfer
that to her her mom's skills.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
You know, absolutely, what does guidence here about gratitude?
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Gratitude's huge. I used to think gratitude. This is in
my book too. I used to think gratitude was about
the things that I was grateful for, you know, my dog,
my house, my life, my work, my husband. You know. No,
it's huge, and you know, I don't want to go
into two. You know, you can read the chapter. But
basically I learned that from guidance that gratitude is just everything,
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all the time, and the energy when I'm grateful, not
for anything specific, just grateful. When I can feel it,
Oh my god, gosh, my body gets expanded. I feel
unconditional love for the entire world. It's a beautiful feeling.
Gratitude heals everything, it feels like if we can tap
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into it in a true feeling way, it's quite a
healing thing to feel.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
What would you like readers to take away from Guidance
from the Universe.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Well, I hope that people see in the book that
what we all face, you know, we're all I do
think we're all. We all go through our struggles different
I mentioned this, but we're all the same. We all
have our stuff, you know. And I hope that people
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maybe get a glimmer, glimpse into how we can it's
possible that if we decide we want to live better
or feel better, that that's actually possible. I'm not saying
it's easy, but it is possible. And perhaps my book
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offers that just a glimmer into the fact that it's
possible to change perception. Not easy, but possible, so that
we can make better choices that better suit us.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
The wisdom of Jill Amy sag Or her book Guidance
from the Universe, hopeful messages for everyday challenges. Jill one
more time, please share with us where listeners can get
your book and find out more about you and your work.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Thank you well. The book is being distributed by Simon
and Schuster. The book can get anywhere online your indie bookstore,
asked for it at the library and to find me.
My full name is Jill Amy Amy Sag sag Er
and you can find me on my website jillamysag dot com, Instagram, Facebook,
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substack and also YouTube.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us and
sharing your experience, your wisdom and sharing guidance with us.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Thank you, Victor for having me. It was a joy
to talk with you.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
And thank you for joining us on Box Novus. I'm
Victor Lavoice Furman. Have a wonderful week.
Vox Novus, the New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension.
Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Vox Novus, the New Voice. Born with physical challenges that
shaped her path, Jill Amy Sager embraced her identity as
an outsider, channeling her challenges into a remarkable connection with Guidance,
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a collective energy of love and wisdom she describes as
a radio frequency that's always on. This connection has led
her to help countless individuals navigate life's uncertainties through taro
and channeled readings. Jill's work isn't rooted in academic philosophy
or spiritual dogma, but in deep personal experiences and in
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authentic connection with universal energy. Her insights are both accessible
and transformative. Her website is Jillamysager dot com, and she
joins me this week on Vox Novus to share her
path and new book, Guidance from the Universe, hopeful messages
for everyday challenges. Please join me in welcoming to Vox Novus.
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Jill Amy Sager, Welcome, Jill.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Victor Jill, please share with our listeners the challenges you
faced on your early path and how they shape your life.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Oh wow. Well, I was born with one leg shorter
than the other, and when I was nine years old,
my parents decided to lengthen that leg, which was more
of a risky surgery. It was a bit experimental, rather
than shortening the other leg. My leg, the left leg
was short, and it was normal, you know, it was
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normal function. But after surgery, it took a bad turn.
Surgery didn't work, and so I was left more physically disabled,
not just wearing a lift on my shoe, but also
since then, I've had very minimal function of knee and
foot and there's a lot of nerve damage. I walk
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with a very pronounced limp, and also developed scoliosis during
that time, which is curvature of the spine, just due
to being I think in and out of wheelchairs a lot.
There was a lot of healing that had to be
done between the ages of nine and twelve, and I
was in and out of hospitals, put into special schools,
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living in the BRONX. I'm telling you all this because
I maybe it's my personality. Maybe it's the way my
parents treated me. They didn't treat me any different. I
learned to be very resilient, and I also learned to adapt.
And I also learned that I didn't want anything to
hold me back, including a physical disability. So although in
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the sixties, this was in the sixties and the seventies,
growing up as a child and a teenager, that time
was not favorable to disabled people. I have to say
there were a lot of stares. It's a little different today.
I'm not saying disabled people don't have difficulties in terms
of how society sees us, but it was a lot
different back then. And I really although went through a
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lot of self you know, I'm not going to say
self up, it's of self consciousness. Due to how people
perceived me, I was able to continue on with my
life and be somebody who believed perhaps more in myself
and what I could do than how people perceived me.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Your biography says that you embraced your identity as an outsider.
How did you see yourself in this role?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well, when I became an adult, I started to realize
that my life was a bit of a perfect storm
around that I grew up Jewish in a neighborhood that
was predominantly Irish Catholic, so there was outside of you there.
I was physically grew up physically disabled, felt like an
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outsider there. I also grew up my parents were not
college educated, working class people, and many of my relatives
were a lot wealthier I'll say not wealthy, but had
more money than we did in and out of hospitals,
being taken out of mainstream schools, I think a lot.
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I mean, so that was I started to realize that
that view of feeling like an outid, that I was different,
came from a lot of aspects of my life, and
I think a lot of people can relate to that
feeling outside. It made me. I didn't realize that it
made me think it was only me growing up that
I felt so different, walking around like everybody was looking
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at me, Everybody looked so normal compared to me. Everybody's
life seems so much better than me. But as I
got older, I started to realize that being different, we're
all different, we're all unique, and to see it in
a different way, to switch perception and to see all
of us as unique and different really changed my life,
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and that was a really a great turning point for me.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You call the energy that your channel the guidance. Why
do you call it that? And how did you get
started channeling?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Oh? Thanks for asking. Unexpectedly, I received Tarot cards in
the seven as I mentioned, a girl from a Jewish
girl from the Bronx had no idea what they were there.
Reading given to me was very special. I felt like
the cards knew me. And pretty soon after that the
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same person who gave me the reading, a friend of mine,
gave me a deck of cards and I studied and studied.
I'm telling you this because I believe that over the
course of time of working with pictures, Tarot is a
pictorial modality. Obviously, my intuition really got very heightened, my
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personal intuition. I was at that point reading for people,
not thinking I'd be a Tarot reader by profession. But
word had gotten out that I was doing this, and
my intuition grew. I trusted it. I was also a musician,
so I really believe that creative, intuitive side of the
brain is the reason that I started to hear these voices.
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I will say it was unexpect did not expect to
start to get information from the universe. It wasn't what
I was seeking. And I think the other important piece
that created this in my life. But I was probably
in my thirties when this happened. I'm sixty eight now.
I also, when I moved to Oregon, I met a
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woman who was a channeler slash psychic, and so seeing her,
it wasn't like I thought, Oh, I'm going to do
what she's doing, but it didn't seem so wacky weird
watching her have this insight, and it seemed just natural
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for her. And I think it's like everything in life,
when we get support, when we see other people doing something,
it can give us the courage or just the interest.
And as I said, I didn't have the interest, but
it certainly when it happened to me. I didn't think,
oh I should turn this off, or because I I
had been with this person, a friend of mine, and
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she was so loving and the information was so loving.
And that has been my experience ever since.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
How does the information come to you? Are you a
clairvoyant or a clare audience or class entient or a
combination of those.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
A combination, I would say, I get images that I
then have to explain. I also get direct words. I
also get feelings in my body that like a pendulum,
will let me know if I'm on the right track. Yeah,
all of that, and I will say that, you know
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you asked about the name guidance. I had asked when
this all happened to me. I asked, what are you?
What should I call you? What is this? And the
only answer I got was, you can call us anything.
You can call us Mary, John, you can call us anything.
Names are a vibration and very just instinctively right away way,
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I thought, okay, guidance, And you know, I looked up
that word in the dictionary. It just means help, as
we all know, and so I identify it that way as help.
But I also think I need to clarify that I
have never boxed in what this is. I don't know
what it is. What I remain in my own belief
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system is that it's the wonder of what the universe offers,
and I have always just believe that it's love, because
that's what it is, unconditional love. And the messages are
very profound, more than I could possibly know in terms
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of my you know, consciousness or what I know about life.
They're just very profound messages about different topics that actually
I have in my book, different kinds of issues. We
all grapple with, jealousy, judgment, those kinds of things. And
I use this help, this universal help for myself all
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the time and for clients now these days. And I
have to say that it's something that I never turned
away from, and it's something that I've learned to accept,
even if I can't tell you specifically what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And of course, within the word guidance, you have dance,
so you're dancing with the universe.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, I love that. That's great. Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely.
And I also think too, And I write this in
my book, which just came out in January. I don't
think what I'm saying is new. I went, you know,
this idea that we're getting love, whether people believe, you know,
they're getting it from angels or an ancestor or whatever.
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You know, it's all fine. Like I said, for me,
I don't know what it is, but I know it's
not just me and what I'm receiving and not just
for me. And I think that's why I say it's universal.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Does guidance have any type of apparition. Does it appear
to you in any way?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
No, but I can feel sometimes I can feel them.
I feel it as a group. I don't feel it
as a singular thing or person or entity. So I
do feel it as a group. And although they never
come to me visually, there are moments when I'm working
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with a client or even for myself that I feel there.
I'm going to say it this way. I don't know
how else does describe it, kind of their emotional an
emotional way that they have, even though they've told me
they don't have emotions on that side. But it's almost
like my way of interpreting it is sometimes I feel
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sometimes I feel their frustration with us. Sometimes I feel
so much unconditional love, so much. I mean, it's it's
beyond words. And I also sometimes get their humor. You
know that that they're funny. So there is something going
on there that feels like there is some connection that's
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beyond just that that is emotional, even though they've told
me they don't have emotions on that side.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
And it's possible that you're using your chakras that are
related to emotions and to love the heart chakra and
to communication, the throat chakra in the process of doing so,
and that's how you feel it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. Perhaps that's that's a good, good thought.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, what did guidance offer you on your path after
your initial connection?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Wow? I you know you asked that question, and I
got teary eyed. It was initially unconditional love and help
like very concrete, very concrete like taro offers us insight
about ourselves that helps us if we're willing to grow
and change and transform. And that's how I felt about guidance.
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Like I'll give you an example. I maybe because of
the way I was brought up, maybe because of my disability.
It was not always easy right, And at some point
I realized that I was a depressive kind of person.
I would wake up in the morning and I didn't
feel light. I always felt heavy. I was able to function.
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It wasn't that I couldn't get out of bed, but
I just didn't feel happy or joyful. And this went
on for many years, it felt like, and then it
got to a point I can't remember the year where
a lot of people I knew a lot of were
getting on antidepressants. And I'm the kind of person who
if you look at my medicine cabinet. I have ibuprof
and I don't take anything. I don't even like to
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take anything. And I remember thinking, but oh, maybe that's
what I need, like I personally need antidepressants. And I
remember going to guidance asking this question and they said, no,
you'll find another way. Now, I want to sidebar. Let
you know that I this is not a cult for me.
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I do not just do everything that they tell me
to do. I don't prescribe to all of what they
offer me. It has to resonate with me. It has
to feel right. But they planted a seed and I
thought about that for a while, and it turned out
that they were right. That I did find another way.
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I found other ways through mindful meditation. I found other
ways through being somebody who started to read books, self
help books, those kinds of things must have been in
the eighties, right and nineties, and other ways that I found.
And I am a different person today without medicine. I'm
not saying that other people don't need it, but for me,
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it was the right, It was the right thing to
listen to. And I'm so grateful because what I changed
was deeply about myself, and I learned how to love myself,
to not take myself too seriously, to really honor and
accept who I am in a way that I couldn't
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have imagined.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
And if you just went with that, you would have
succeeded in life. But you have to bring this gift
to others. So tell me about how you combine TWR
reading with guidance in your sessions.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah. Thanks, I do bring this to others what I've
learned and what I continue to learn, and so I
do love Taro. I still use the cards. I don't
need them per se because I do channel information. I
get information from the universe for clients now, but I
do use cards. I'll spread them out for a client
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and then it's a combination now of what I receive
from the universe for my clients and also what I
see in the cards. And the other thing that comes
through now are the things that I've learned personally, And
a lot of times that's what guidance says, just you know,
just tell them this, you know, and what I mean
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by this, the things that I've learned. Because there are
general nobody is the same. We all have our different
ways of moving through the world. Obviously I'm stating the obvious,
but there are some similarities that we have. You know,
we feel stuck at times, and guidance has helped me
to see what that is. What does it mean to
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be stuck? And what they've said is nobody really is.
It feels like that, but we are always moving, We're not.
The word stuck isn't maybe the best word to use.
And so that's an example of something that they've taught
me that I can tell a client per se when
they say when they use that word, because you know, Victor,
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we all know everybody listening probably knows words have a
lot of power.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Absolutely well, when a client comes to you, what do
they benefit from the Taro or Channeld reading. What are
some of the things that clients learn in that process?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well, like I said, there was one example about being stuck.
Sometimes there is a simple change of perception. That is
I think the biggest gift that guidance has given me.
You know, you asked about that earlier, and I think
for clients too, like stuck for instance, going back to
that to tell somebody, you know, you're not really stuck,
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You're just in a place where you don't know something
or you feel like you don't have an answer. And
I think that when I think that perception, how we
perceive our lives and how we perceive ourselves is maybe
the basis for me of the beginning of change. And
in my book Guidence gave me the first chapter they
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said awareness is all and I absolutely believe that. So
I think the biggest thing that I offer with my
readings has to do with a perceptive change. Let's look
at this in a different way. Like example, I'll have
clients who come and I will say sidebar here again.
I don't like to advertise that I'm psychic per se
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because I think that word conjures up a lot of
things that are just not just not okay in my
belief system, you know, like future predicting. But it can happen.
It can happen. Yet I do still get clients who
will come and ask me, oh, will Joe come back
to me? I so love him and we're taking a break,
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will he come back? And I will always tell that client,
you know, rather than focusing on that question, because that's
your future. And in my world, I feel like if
I answer that question with a yes, then your expectation
is high. You'll be looking for it, you'll miss other things.
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If I say no, you'll be disappointed, like what is
that there's no point? But what I do say to
that client is let's figure out why or what this
means to you, Like why is it so important? Or
what can you learn from waiting for this person or
for even putting your attention and focusing your attention on
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that person rather than yourself. So that's what I mean.
That's an example of a perceptive change.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
If someone wanted to learn how to receive messages from
the universe, how would you advise them to begin?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I love that question. I actually believe. I don't know
if other people think this, but there are a few
things I believe about this one. I believe that it's
really the blocks that get in the way of this,
that we have blocks that don't allow for this. Fear, resistance,
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religious upbringing, being skeptical, being thinking I can't do it.
I mean, there are a lot of blocks, I think,
so being aware of the blocks and working with those,
I think helps. I think the other thing has to
do with practice. Practice in simple ways, practice in fun ways,
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ask for a message, ask for help more often. I
think a lot of us have this perception that help
is limited. Oh, someone else needs it more than me. Well,
you know, according to guidance, there's enough help to go around.
And I also think again, like Sidebarwin, we are wondering
if I deserve the help or if I you know,
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it's because someone else is suffering more. In a way,
we're kind of judging how things are rather than just
focusing on the fact that everybody can get, you know,
what they need with the help that's available. So I
think that asking for things more often, looking for signs
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and symbols, and that helps us to open up a
little bit. I think I remember sitting when I was practicing.
I remember sitting on a river at a river, and
it was a clear blue sky, and I was going
through a very difficult period, and I asked the universe
what I needed to know, and right then across my
vision was a butterfly. I mean, there had been nothing
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across my vision, and this butterfly went from one side
of the bank to the other, and I thought, oh, okay,
I'm in a place of transforming, of transition. It helped
me to put my life in perspective rather than being
so twitter painted about it. I think the other thing
too about asking is I don't I believe there's nothing
too small or too large, so go for it. I
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have friends that used to say, Jill, people pray for
world peace, you're just praying for a good parking spot.
You know. It doesn't mean I'm going to get it,
but I can certainly ask for it. I'm to say
I don't want to walk. This is when there were
maybe you know, not that many disabled parking spots. I'm
going to costco. You better believe I don't want to
get stuck way out in the boonies. That's hard for me.
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So you know, I asked for a parking spot. So
I think that's the other thing. I think, you know,
practice have fun with it. And then the third thing
in answering to your question has to do with opening
up our non rational brain, you know, the right side,
and being less I think many of us are very
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you know, left brain. We're rational, we want answers, we
want to know. We're looking for a concrete in the box.
You know everything about time, about answers, about choices, And
I think that opening up a little bit more to
the wonder, being a little less conscious of how things
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have to go and being more open to how things
might go is helpful. I think it's Deeprok Choper that
says meaningful coincidences right, that puts a different spin when
things happen. We go, oh, that's just a coincidence. We
take that, you know, for granted. But he's saying, no,
I mean, look at it in a different way. Is
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it a coincidence? Is it meaningful? So? I think starting
to work in a way that when you are more rational, Oh,
I can only get money if I save a dollar
every day. Well, I learned a long time ago that
even that is fluid, that I actually never know how
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money's going to come. Saying I don't save that would
be foolhardy not to put money away. But there are
other ways money can come, and I've had that experience.
So it's not always that we think. I think testing
ourselves a little bit more, letting things go a little
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bit more, being less controlling. I think these are things
to be aware of if you want to allow for
the universe to speak with you.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
And to your point, is it possible for anyone to
tap into this energy, to this intuition.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I think so, And I'll tell you why. I have
a friend I've known for maybe thirty years who is
a I'm not big on astrology, I don't know it
that well, but she is a true virgo, very list
making person, very rational. She is somebody who came to
me years ago for a tarror reading, like thirty years ago.
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I don't always become friends with clients, but she and
I connected, and over the years she started coming to
me for readings, and I was offering her as we talk,
different perceptions about her life. But her life very boxed in.
Things are black and white, this or that. I want
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you to know that. Being friends with me for all
these years, she now gets messages all the time. She
still comes to me. She'll still ask for clarification. That's
about self trust. We do have to also trust ourselves
in this and also open our own personal intuition, which
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is something she did too. She started listening to her
own intuition. I think that's an important way also to
start receiving messages from the universe. But I saw it
happen with her, so I don't think what's I'm not special,
what's happened to me? If it can happen to me,
I know this sounds cliche, but I do believe it
can have and to everybody this is this information is
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available and I'm not the only one right who is
able to you know, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Absolutely, my guest Jill Amy Sager her new book, Guidance
from the Universe, Hopeful Messages for everyday challenges. Jill, please
share with our listeners where they can get your book
and find out more about you and your amazing work.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Oh, thank you. Yeah, you can find me with My
name is Jill Amy Sager or Sager s A G
E R Amy A M. Y. You can find me
through my website. You can contact me there at Jillamysager
dot com. You can also find me on Instagram, Facebook, substack,
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and YouTube all under that same Jill Amysager my name,
and the book is being distributed by Simon and Schuster,
so you can get it everywhere books are sold.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Absolutely, And if you go to your local bookstore and
they don't have it, ask them to order it for you, right.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yes, thank you, or your library ask your library to
get it or your library.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Wonderful And we'll be back with more of Jill after
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Speaker 1 (27:45):
Back on Box Novus, my guest this week Jill Amy Sager.
We're talking about her brand new book, Guidance from the Universe,
hopeful messages for everyday challenges. Jill, what inspired you to
write your new book, Guidance from the Universe.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I'm laughing. That's a really funny question because I had
transcripts I had received these messages I mentioned right, grief
and jealousy and judgment, and they were so profound, and
I had written them in a journal and I was
getting information from I was. I remember standing at my
altar one day just asking the universe. I can't even
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remember what I needed help with at the time. And
at the end of this dialogue I was having with them,
they said, do you think that all this information was
just given to you. And I was like, yeah, thanks,
and they were like no, and their push I was
already writing. I had another book that was out, a
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nonfiction book, and they said no. And the message they got,
the message they sent was that it wasn't just for
me that they in essence, it felt like they were
telling me that they were doing all this work, they
were giving me all this great stuff and me just
keeping it to myself was never their plan, so I realized,
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and so I asked, and they're like right. And so
I started this book. And it wasn't until I had
transcribed all the messages that I thought, well, you know,
maybe I will write my stories, my personal stories for
how I have used the information for myself over the years.
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And then that happened, and then, you know, books do
take a life, They have a life with their own sometimes.
And it wasn't until a few years later I'm in
the writing of this book when I thought, maybe I'll
put questions in each chapter to help the reader, you know,
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maybe jumpstart their own thoughts about each topic. So every
chapter has guidances, words in their words about the topic
that are loving and really beautiful. And still I'm amazed
by what they tell me, what they're telling us, and
then my own personal stories. And then every chapter ends
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with reflections, which, as I mentioned, two or three questions
for the reader.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Absolutely each chapter begins with the image of a Tarot card.
Why did you choose to do that?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, well that's another evolution of the book. When the
book was done, I had a vision that each chapter
needed to start with the title like awareness, and then
something that guidance said about awareness a very quick little quote,
and I saw a graphic. I thought it'd be really
pretty to have some kind of graphic in the book.
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And it wasn't until and that it dawned on me
the graphic could be a Tarot card. I do love taro,
and that's really how it happened. But interestingly enough, I
know taro like the back of my hand. I mean,
I know every card so well. But I decided rather
than picking a Tarot card with the exact definition definition
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that I knew, I decided to pick the cards intuitively.
And so some people might not agree with the card
I picked. But I do have a chapter in the
back that goes through every card that I picked and
what I felt, the reason that I picked the card,
and I do mention that it came through intuition, and
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I'm curious. I hope people who are tarot readers or
love cards. I invite in my book for them to
get to me and write me and let me know
what card would you have picked, because it's fascinating to
use our intuition.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
And in the book, you also talk about your personal
physical struggles when you were a child. What would you
share about the correlation you've observed between overcoming physical challenges
and deep spiritual connection.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Wow, that's an interesting question. I don't know if I
have an answer for that, but when I've thought about it,
I know from other people's experiences that I've read or
I've heard that deep physical trauma can perhaps maybe jumpstart
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that kind of listening or you know, maybe because we
need more help or there's faith, or to get through
a physical trauma, no matter what it is, sometimes we
need like a higher power. I don't know how to
express it, but it's more of a sense I have
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that maybe being so confined and alone because I was
very I was physically confined in bed for a very
long time and very much isolated. For my peers in
third grade and fourth grade, fifth grade, sixth grade, and
then heading into middle school wearing braces, you know, middle school,
like you know, that's when you're twelve and you're getting
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into how you look, especially for girls. You know, it's
a whole big thing. And I think that I do
remember feeling so isolated, and so yeah, just isolation must
is a good word more than being an outside are
just very isolated. And perhaps there is something about trauma
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that maybe can elicit a sense of needing help. I mean,
but I think that still there's as I had a resilience,
not everyone's resilient, you know, people. When I think back
to my life, it's a wonder to me that I
wasn't crushed by some of the things that happened to me,
including how my parents treated me. I don't need to
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go into that here, but I didn't have the emotional
support actually that a lot of kids do who are
going through physical issues. So it was a lot. But
I think that perhaps an answer to your question, I'm
not the only one that has a says you that,
really you either sink or swim, and there's something about
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swimming that many I think people who have gone through
trauma are able to do I think ultimately we're survivors.
That's what I've learned, and that's what I think about
the human condition. I mean, people have experienced things that
are incredibly difficult, and yet we survive. Not everybody does
it well, but many of us do.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
What would you offer to others about using personal challenges
as a catalyst for growth.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Well, I think again it gets back to perception. I
think one of the things that I learned from guidance
from the universe is that suffering. We all suffer, and
suffering isn't necessarily what we're supposed to be doing. We're
supposed to be supposed to be I mean, the ultimate
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would be to live in enjoy all the time, right,
that would be great, but we tend to take This
is what I've learned from the universe, that we tend
to take our joy or happiness for granted. And unfortunately
it's through our challenges, when our asses get kicked, that
we notice that we notice things. But of course it's
how we get through those situations that defines our lives.
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And so an answer to your question, I do believe
that we have the ability. Some of us may be
more than others, but there's always support to get through
our challenges in ways where we see them not as
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not as a victim, not as a why is this
happening to me? But as a way to accept that
it's what's been put in front of us, and what
are we going to do with that? Because I've learned
that if I judge what's in front of me, and
if I rail against what's in front of me a challenge,
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that doesn't really help me. I'm just in a state
of continual suffering through that and also being a victim.
Why me, Why is this happening? But what am I
really going to get from that? You know, in my world,
I'm not going to get far with that attitude. It's
gonna do me under at some point, make me feel angry,
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perhaps make the pain worse. So I have found that
the path in front of me. I'm not saying that
when I have challenges, I just breeze through them. I
mean there's no way, but eventually for myself, when I
realize I've suffered enough, you know, whether it's because I'm
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having a hard day, a hard couple of days, something's happened,
like a stink bomb has been thrown my way. If
I stay in that space too long, I'm starting to
feel just crushed by it. And when I notice that,
when I notice that how restrictive and constrictive I feel
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in body, mind, spirit, I sit down with myself. I
turn on a timer for maybe you know, ten minutes,
and I sit quietly, not to do away with my
feelings or not to do away with trying to be happy,
but to really sit with myself and digest how I
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am truly feeling. And I then can make a choice
about how much I want to suffer. I might not
always know how to get out of the suffering right away,
but if I sit on Tuesday, and then on Thursday,
and then on Sunday, eventually I get to the feelings
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the emotions that are keeping me trapped. Sometimes it's that
I just had to put this don't like myself very much,
so that feeling of compassion comes up, or I cry
for myself, and that alleviates a lot too, So I think,
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you know, it's like anger. I used to be a
very angry person, and I had no control over that anger.
It was a knee jerk reaction to things. And at
the point that I realized that it was harming me
and those around me. I decided to change that idea
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about what anger was, and it took many years for
me to understand that it wasn't anger. That's a problem.
Holding on to anger is toxic. So getting rid of
anger is great, But again, how do I deal with anger?
It's going back to the challenge is how do we
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manage deal except what it is we're feeling, what it
is that we understand about ourselves. So I think that
just suffering all the time, because let's face it, anybody
who's as angry as I was doesn't like themselves very much.
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I know that when I see people that are raging
in the world and are so angry, I know that
they can't possibly deeply, deeply think that that's okay. There
is something going on there, and I think that transformation
and change has to the only way I know for
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it to happen is to be self reflective.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
And know that you're worthy.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah yeah, And I think through self reflection we start
to understand that it's one thing to believe that we
all deserve. Because I do believe that we're all worthy.
I absolutely believe that believe that we should air quotes,
have as much compassion, love, and acceptance for ourselves that
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we give to others. I absolutely believe it, but getting
there takes self examination to be someone who's willing to say, wow,
I'm having a day where I don't believe this, and
rather than being what Guidance has taught me, rather than
looking for how can I be different? Or why am
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I like this? Why don't I feel I'm worthy today?
That they've taught me that that can be kind of
like a spin cycle. Why how? And according to them,
it doesn't really get us very far. And what they
have taught me is that the way that we can
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change is actually by feeling how much suffering we're causing ourselves.
And that sometimes sounds a little bit crazy because or strange,
because we're all suffering, and I think that many of
us feel that if we dig into that suffering, we'll
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suffer more. And I remember a client one saying to
me she never cries, and Guidance challenged her, it was like,
well why, and she said, because I'm afraid if I start,
if I feel all that grief, I'll never stop. And
they said, no one ever drowned in their own tears,
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So it really is about allowing ourselves to have a
full range of what we're feeling about ourselves so that
we can feel that for ourselves, and then I know
when I do it, I have a lot of compassion
for myself, and all of my feelings of that were
there moments ago of not feeling worthy and not feeling
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okay with myself. It all dissipates very quickly as soon
as I really dig into how much fighting I'm doing
within myself, how much suffering I'm creating for myself. You know, Victor,
it's so easy for us to blame the world other
people for why we're suffering, but really, you know, I
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do believe we have choice about how much we're going
to suffer.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Absolutely. I'll give you a quick personal share. When I
was a kid, I never felt that my father loved
me until when I was eight years old. He had
a surgery, had one of his legs amputated from uh
He had diabetes at the time, and it became aangrenous
and he had to have the leg amputated. And at
that point I became part of the caretaking team along
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with my mother, his caretaking team, and for the first
time I felt that he loved me, and it wired
in my young mind, if you care for others, you
will be loved. And that set a pattern in my
life that I would run around and take care of
everybody else, often at the cost of my own health
and my own emotional stability and what have you. And
it took until my late forties early fifties for me
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to use the n word no. And I understood that
I didn't have to say yes to everyone, that there
were people who were perfectly capable of taking care of
themselves and their own needs, and that I would only
respond yes to those who truly needed anything that I
had to offer. And that changed my life and it
healed me.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, it's really interesting when we get off balance that way,
like too much giving, not enough receiving or it's it
is true. I agree with you that giving, you know
that offering, that saying yes and helping people is a
way that sometimes we can get out of our own
way and feel better about ourselves when we're having a
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hard day. Diversion's good. I remember when I was going
through a really hard breakup, I was so grateful I
had work. I loved my customers, I loved helping them,
and it really took my mind off my suffering. That
was great. Right guidance has taught me that our life
of giving and receiving. They showed me. They gave me
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the image of a quarter. I don't know why, but
there it was, and it kind of helps me. And
they were like, you know, a quarter has to be
a heads in a tail. It's a fifty to fifty.
There it's like that makes one hundred percent. It's not.
It's equal equal, And I believe that's true for us.
It's what you're describing too much giving or too much
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receiving off balance. So it's really that perfect bonding of
the two, knowing when you've given enough and knowing when
you need to receive. I heard a friend recently tell
me that she was having a hard time and I actually,
I can use myself actually as an example. I met
my husband. I was about fifty one, and I always
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had a hard time trusting people and also believing when
they said they liked me or they loved me. I
felt like it went. I felt like I had a
wall and I couldn't accept. I couldn't feel it in
my body that they truly did that they really were
telling me that they loved me and liked me, and
I just it was like it didn't even go in me.
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And that had to do with my mother and how
difficult my relationship with her. I knew where it's stemmed from,
but it just didn't. I couldn't change it, and I
ended up feeling I mean, it started to create problems.
So when I my husband, I was fifty one, I
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actually told him, I said, you know, it's going to
take a while, maybe a year. I said, I just
threw out that number for me to trust that you
love me. So I was out of balance. You know,
I was giving, I was loving. People said that I
was very generous, and I was optimistic, and I was loving,
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but I couldn't take it in. I didn't. It took me.
I don't It wouldn't take me a year, but it
even took me way long into my relationship with him.
Whenever he hugged at me and said he loved me,
I swear I just could not feel it. So I
was at a balance. I couldn't receive, and I started
to realize that not receiving was almost like putting up
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my hand to somebody and saying I don't care. They
were telling me they cared but how selfish of me
or I don't know if that's the right where, but
a little bit like oh, putting my hands up saying no,
I don't believe you kind of put people in a
difficult position, I think, always having to prove that they did.
Like I'm just, you know, an empty hole, like I
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just have to Who's going to fill me up? Nobody
could fill me up. And it really took me a while.
And the reason it changed is because I needed it
to change, you know. Guidance gave me that image, and
I realized, wow, I'm at a balance. I need to
take in the truth of what people are telling me
and feel it truly in my body and soul that
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I am loved.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Absolutely. My guest Jill Amy Sager her new book, Guidance
from the Universe, Hopeful Messages for everyday challenges. We'll be
back with more after these words on the Old Times
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Speaker 1 (47:46):
Back on Vox Novus. My guest this week Jill Amy
Sager her new book Guidance from the Universe Hopeful Messages
for Everyday Challenges. Amy. In the book, you share several
chapters dealing with universal topics. You had mentioned anger before,
but also forgiveness and grief and abundance. Can you give
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us an example of some of the wisdom that Guidance
has shared with you, For example with forgiveness.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Oh wow, that's a big one. Yeah, forgiveness is so huge,
so huge. Well, I'll tell you a little bit about
what is in the book on that chapter. So I
mentioned a little earlier that my I had a very
difficult relationship with my mom and I would call her.
I'm on the West coast, she's on the East coast.
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I would call her every couple of weeks. It was
an obligatory call. I wanted her to know I was
thinking about her. But I never felt like I mentioned
about my husband. I didn't feel connected to her in
any way, and I didn't like her I felt like
a bad daughter, and I started to notice it was
affecting other areas of my life, personal relationships that I
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was holding on to anger about her. It was just
it was just messy. And Guidance said to me, get
you know other women who have the same difficult relationship
with their moms. And they gave me the idea to
form a forgiveness circle with these women. And I was like,
what is that and they said, don't worry. And I'm paraphrasing,
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they don't quite talk like this, but in essence, it
was like, don't worry, we'll help you. We'll give you
the information you need. And so I called these three
other women. They were totally into it. They came and
sure enough, Guidance gave us information every week and one
of the things, one of the first things they said,
which blew our minds, was that we had to forgive ourselves.
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And we were all like, what, Like, what are we
going to do with that? And basically what we learned
was that we all actually were holding on to a
bit of self hate because we didn't love our moms
and it didn't matter. And again, it was kind of
a was a victim stance that we felt like they
didn't do right by us. They you know, our list
(50:04):
was long. But the truth is we really hated ourselves
for not being good daughters and for holding onto all
this negativity. So they helped and the guidance helped, and
we learned first to forgive ourselves and not everybody. I
don't know everybody's story that was in that group in
terms of what transpired, but I did work on that.
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I worked on forgiving myself first. And I'm going to
tell you that the strangest thing, and this is in
the book, is that through self forgiveness, I ended up
forgiving my mom, which it turned out it didn't even
have to work on that, and something I learned about
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for it, and so it was bizarre. I actually the
last time I saw her, I went to visit her
in New York before she died. She and I hung out,
and I was expecting the same old, same old stuff
with her, that I would be uptight, that she would
be uptight, we'd both just be waiting, couldn't wait to
get away from each other, and instead we had the
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most lovely lunch, the most lovely conversation. I saw her
twice that week, which was like very unusual. We were
both softer energetically. I was softer, so I think it's
why she was softer. We never talked about what the
change and what happened. But something I learned about forgiveness
from that experience was that not forgiving myself, like carrying
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around that much self hate or that much being twitter
paid about my mom really kept me trapped, like it
wasn't a very freeing feeling or freeing life. And so
they were right. I had to figure out how to
love myself, accept myself so I could feel better. And
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it was through feeling better about myself that I started
to see, oh, my gosh, you know she's a human
being too, and she has her own issues and why
a lot of them have nothing most of them have
nothing to do with me. And when she died, just
to express this to you in a deeper way, about
(52:16):
this lesson that I got about forgiveness. When she died,
I still didn't know if I liked her, and I
said to people, but I did accept her love and
I did feel like I loved her. I was more
open and I asked people who knew her, oh, why
did you like my mom? And they started to tell me,
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and I realized. And something that changed for me was
that I realized I liked her too. I liked who
she was, but I will never like her being a mom.
And it's okay. She wasn't a good mom. But I
no longer carry the weight of the resentment or the
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feeling like a victim to that. It's just a fact
she was not a good mom to me. But I have,
through forgiveness and through hearing what other people liked about her,
I'm yeah, I've taken that in and you know what,
I actually liked my mom. She was a very interesting person.
Lesson that you learned, Yeah, you know, but I can't.
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It's okay not to be able to, you know, transfer
that to her her mom's skills.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
You know, absolutely, what does guidence here about gratitude?
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Gratitude's huge. I used to think gratitude. This is in
my book too. I used to think gratitude was about
the things that I was grateful for, you know, my dog,
my house, my life, my work, my husband. You know. No,
it's huge, and you know, I don't want to go
into two. You know, you can read the chapter. But
basically I learned that from guidance that gratitude is just everything,
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all the time, and the energy when I'm grateful, not
for anything specific, just grateful. When I can feel it,
Oh my god, gosh, my body gets expanded. I feel
unconditional love for the entire world. It's a beautiful feeling.
Gratitude heals everything, it feels like if we can tap
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into it in a true feeling way, it's quite a
healing thing to feel.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
What would you like readers to take away from Guidance
from the Universe.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Well, I hope that people see in the book that
what we all face, you know, we're all I do
think we're all. We all go through our struggles different
I mentioned this, but we're all the same. We all
have our stuff, you know. And I hope that people
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maybe get a glimmer, glimpse into how we can it's
possible that if we decide we want to live better
or feel better, that that's actually possible. I'm not saying
it's easy, but it is possible. And perhaps my book
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offers that just a glimmer into the fact that it's
possible to change perception. Not easy, but possible, so that
we can make better choices that better suit us.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
The wisdom of Jill Amy sag Or her book Guidance
from the Universe, hopeful messages for everyday challenges. Jill one
more time, please share with us where listeners can get
your book and find out more about you and your work.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Thank you well. The book is being distributed by Simon
and Schuster. The book can get anywhere online your indie bookstore,
asked for it at the library and to find me.
My full name is Jill Amy Amy Sag sag Er
and you can find me on my website jillamysag dot com, Instagram, Facebook,
(55:56):
substack and also YouTube.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us and
sharing your experience, your wisdom and sharing guidance with us.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Thank you, Victor for having me. It was a joy
to talk with you.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
And thank you for joining us on Box Novus. I'm
Victor Lavoice Furman. Have a wonderful week.
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