June 20, 2025 • 56 mins
Air Date - 19 June 2025
A true embodiment of mind-body-spirit integration, my guest this week on Vox Novus, Rev. Lisamarie Boncek, M.Div, is a healer, teacher, speaker, and near-death experiencer, whose life’s work is dedicated to awakening the divine within. As the founder of Perfect Health & Balance, she has created a sanctuary for holistic healing that blends spiritual insight with ancient healing arts. Her vast expertise spans the realms of massage therapy, Ayurveda, intuitive energy healing, yoga, and meditation, guiding others to return to their true state of wholeness.
Her website is https://www.perfecthealthandbalance.com/, and she joins me this week to share her path and powerful contribution to the Near Death Institute’s soon-to-be-published book, “The Ways to God: A Spiritual Mosaic —Discovering God Through Many Perspectives.”
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A true embodiment of mind-body-spirit integration, my guest this week on Vox Novus, Rev. Lisamarie Boncek, M.Div, is a healer, teacher, speaker, and near-death experiencer, whose life’s work is dedicated to awakening the divine within. As the founder of Perfect Health & Balance, she has created a sanctuary for holistic healing that blends spiritual insight with ancient healing arts. Her vast expertise spans the realms of massage therapy, Ayurveda, intuitive energy healing, yoga, and meditation, guiding others to return to their true state of wholeness.
Her website is https://www.perfecthealthandbalance.com/, and she joins me this week to share her path and powerful contribution to the Near Death Institute’s soon-to-be-published book, “The Ways to God: A Spiritual Mosaic —Discovering God Through Many Perspectives.”
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Vox Novus, the New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension,
Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Vox Novus, the New Voice, a true embodiment of mind, body,
spirit integration. My guest this week on Vox Novus. Reverend
Lisa Marie Bonsek is a healer, teacher, speaker, and near
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death experiencer whose life's work is dedicated to awakening the
divine within. As the founder of Perfect Health and Balance,
She's created a sanctuary for holistic healing that blends spiritual
insight with ancient healing arts. Her vast expertise spans the
realms of massage, therapy, i her veda, intuitive energy, healing, yoga,
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and meditation, guiding others to return to their true state
of wholeness. Her website is Perfect Health and Balance dot com,
and she joins me this week to share her path
and powerful contribution to the near death institutes. Soon to
be published book, The Ways to God, a spiritual mosaic
discovering God through many perspectives. Please join me in Welcoming
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to vox Nobus, Reverend Lisa Marie Bonsek. Welcome, Reverend Lisa Marie.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Hi, thanks for having me today, Victor.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Thank you, sir, happy to be here. Thank you so
much for joining us and sharing your remarkable story. So,
Reverend Lisa Marie, what was your early path like and
how did your experiences shape your understand life and spirit.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, I was raised in a single parent home by
my Italian mother, and we were raised in the Catholic faith.
Later on, when I was a teenager, we started going
to a Pentecostal church. My mother was very religious, very religious,
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I mean she was at church five times a week. So,
but I always felt led at a very early age
by something higher, So I wasn't really totally influenced by
the religion I grew up. And because I had this
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higher guidance and I was extremely, very very fiercely independent child.
So I ended up leaving home at sixteen searching just
for more and more independent and that was just where
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I was being led. So and then I did a
lot of studies. I was in nursing school. I put
myself through nursing school and hairdressing school, and knowing the
feeling I had intuitively that I was going to be
very independent. I wanted to have something to always fall
back on. So I went to school and then realized
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that I wanted to be I was being drawn to Ayerveda,
which is India's holistic medicine. So I started studying Ayrveda
after going to an Irveda clinic in Iowa when I
was twenty seven years old, and that's when I started.
When I was there that week, I learned transcendental meditation
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while I was there, and I did the Pancha Karma treatments,
which are cleansing treatments and balancing of the body. That's
what ayr Veda is all about. So my journey, spiritual
journey really became very profound once I started meditating and
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started the Irveda Irveda when I you know, discovered that. So,
but in the meantime, when I was in my twenties,
I was being drawn to Edgar Casey's books, you know,
the Sleeping Profit. I was being drawn to the Indian culture, Irveda,
and I was wondering why I was being drawn to
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all that. But I was very interested in natural medicine
at a young age. Probably when since I was a teenager.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Getting back to the teenage years, what were the lessons
that you learned on self exp Russian and assertiveness.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, I taught myself well. I taught myself more when
I was out of the house at maybe twenty years old.
Because I was always self employed. I was always a motivated,
driven child, and I realized, coming from a very difficult
childhood with a difficult mother, that I was very passive.
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So I had to train and teach myself. I wanted
to teach myself how to be assertive, but I also
wanted to be nice, so I had to figure out
and navigate how I was going to make that happen.
So I would listen to older people and how they
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were talking and how they were introducing themselves to me,
and I just picked up little things that I liked
how you know, what they said. And I had to
practice speaking to older people or my clients. And because
people would say things in life that, you know, I
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didn't want to let it go. I wanted to say
something without you know, without letting it go, so I
would and end up with a stomach ache and regret
it later wonder why I didn't say anything and speak
up for myself. So I just taught myself how to
be a bit more diplomatic, h keeping the kindness, but
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getting my points across in a nice way, and cured
myself of that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So in reality, it was a combination of self advocacy
and then but doing it in a proper way exactly
so that you didn't scare people, so that you didn't
scare people away, right, you.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Know, like putting you know, you know, just like somebody
would get to leave me a check. You know, it's high.
I've always had a hard time with money because you know,
I've got this thing where money is not at the
fore point. It's not it's not at the uh priority.
I should say, I'm always you know, as a minister.
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Now I'm always doing you know, sir, I'm in service.
So it's I've always had that mindset, even as child,
even as a young adult. So I have a hard
time with with money or receiving money. So somebody that
forgot to leave a check, it's kind of hard to say,
you know, you forgot to pay me? How do you
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say that? So I would send a message or a text.
I don't even know if texting was we had it
back then, but I would say, you know, something like
I'm sure you didn't realize it, you know, or maybe
was there a check? Did you leave a check for me?
And maybe I didn't see it, you know. So I would,
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you know, figure out a way to say things nicely
without sounding abrupt to abrupt or dealing with my difficult mother,
I would say, Ma, you know, I'm on your side,
So this way it would calm her and it would
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kind of stop her in her tracks. And what can
you say? What can she say to that? You know?
She could only feel at peace? And that was my mission,
even as a young a young person or a teenager
or after the teenage years when I moved out. So
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it's all about navigating life. And you know, when I
found out after you know, going skipping ahead to the NDEs,
you know, I found out we're all one collective consciousness,
so we're all in it together, and I just want
everybody to feel peaceful and not. I'm not person of confrontation.
I've never been. I avoid confrontation. So I had to
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figure out a way to speak my mind or what
was what I was thinking, you know, without you know,
and make everybody happy, including myself.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
It's interesting that you had mentioned the fact that your
spiritual acknowledgment, your spiritual calling was not necessarily one about compensation.
When I was in business many years ago, a friend
of mine knew the fact that I had become an
interfaith minister and reikihaling and spiritual work. And a friend
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of mine in business said, how do you balance the
fact that you have this day job in industrial business,
industrial technology and this other stuff that you do. And
without even thinking about it, I said, the day job
pays my salary. The other work pays my soulery. This
word soulery came out of me. And I'm actually in
the process of writing a book now called Solary the
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Compensation of spirit.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
That is a perfect word. And I'm glad I just
learned that from you, because that's what it is. And
and in my earlier days, and I'm still a singer,
but I studied opera when I was in my twenties.
I put myself, I found the best uh and I
wanted the best teacher that I could get that can
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train could train me rigorously. And I trained with the
late Pascual Papano, and I was training to be an
opera singer. So he was part of my journey to
uh coming out of my shell and the and being passive,
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and he really that training really boosted my confidence. And uh,
you know, I've I was born with the gift of
a voice. It was just I want, I needed the training,
and I wanted to sing all different genres of music,
but I wanted the really the best training I could get,
and that was the opera training. Uh, So I sent.
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I spent several years training with him three times a week,
which was part of just a wonderful journey. You know,
it kind of all goes together, you know, the creativity
part of me, you know, the spiritual it's all integrated together.
And it goes together with my healing practice with the Aerveda,
with the massage therapy, spiritual healing massage, the King Master,
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you know healing it for me, It all it all
goes together absolutely.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Now getting back to the Araveda healing practice. First of all,
what attracted you to Areveda and the Hindu culture.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I saw I have been having stes spiritually transformative experience
since I was really young, So I just thought it
was normal, you know, I just didn't think I thought
everybody saw visions. I thought everybody had premonitions, you know,
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or epiphanies, and I guess I found out later that
that's not totally true. So but for me, it was
the norm. You know. I had this higher guidance. I
was very in tune with my higher self, my soul,
you know, since a young age. I could feel the
energy in my hands sitting at the edge of my
bed when I was seven years old. So this goes
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way back. And I am the only spiritual person and
on either side of my families. So I wasn't raised
even though my mother was very religious. But as you know,
religion and spirituality are different so Asian. So I found
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out about ayr Veda through Deepak Chopra, the Irveda physician
that came to America from India. So I saw him
ironically on the Oprah Winfrey Show, and he was talking
about his book back then, Perfect Health, and I was
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drawn to what he was saying. And he had a
pendulum in his hand and was telling Oprah to look
at it and concentrate on it and she was able
to make it move. And he was talking about the
power of the mind. And I was just drawn into that,
and then he was talking about meditation. So I bought
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the book, resonated with it, with the different body types
and how it's just an imbalance of the body that
we have all these health issues that we actually think
are normal, like allergies and women problems and things like that,
and it's just really toxicity of the body. Bo he's
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out of balance. I was a singer, so I was
burning the candle at both ends, you know. I had
my day job, self employment, and then I was singing
at night and it was turning my body off. And
that's what made me buy the book. I resonated with
the book and what he was saying and what Ayerveda
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was all about. And then at the back of the book,
it listed some Irveda centers that were in the United States.
So I just chose the one in Iowa. I figured,
let me go see what Iowa was all about. And
I went there and it was only for five days,
but it was life changing. It was totally life change,
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and I said, I've got to learn this, I've got
to study this. People need to know about this. I'm
about to write I'm now about to write a book
about that. Because there's so many things I've learned in
my life, and not only from Ayrveda, that are healing
modalities that nobody knows about. So while I was at
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the center, they called somebody in that taught me the
MEDATM and then you had to do that for I
don't know, about a year and a half, for two
years before you could go into the advanced it's called
Cities program sid d Hi program to do the advanced
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meditation of TM. So then I went further and did that,
which takes about an hour, you know, and you do
it twice a day. And that really brought me even
much further into my connection with the divine and my
higher self and you know, resonating with where nature started
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following me. And then I had the Irveda on top
of it. So my body was cleansed, which is part
of raising your consciousness too, because ideally you want to
raise your vibration, raise your consciousness to be more at
a level of what we are as spirit spirit beings,
which is enlightened. And that was my goal, perfect health
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and enlightenment. And it basically had twenty five then experienced
twenty five years of that. It was very very fortunate.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And for those not familiar with TM transcendental meditation, just
tell us a little bit about the practice.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Sure, it's the beginning one. You just have a mantra,
and a mantra is in layman's terms, it's just a word,
a word that is a sound, so it's gonna it
may sound a little strange to you, but it has
a vibration. The mantra, whatever the instructor gives you. I
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think they go by age, you know something like that.
Part of it is by your age of what mantra
you're gonna get, and you do twenty minutes of that.
And I wasn't one to really I didn't think I
was gonna stick with it. But when I started meditating,
it just resonated with me. My body was telling me
I needed that and it was the best thing that
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I could have ever done for my life. And so
it's twenty minutes twice a day for the beginners, and
then the advanced one. You have the twenty minute mantra,
your same mantra that I had already, and then you
have eighteen what they call sutras, which again are words
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that resonate with the body. And at the end of
the advanced meditation. The city's program. There is a ten
minute part that they call the flying and there's a levitation.
There's the different sutras for that section at the end,
and some people are levitating, some people are hopping in
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a lotus position, hopping so many feet in the air.
And it is true, it is true because I've experienced that.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
How may mindfulness help us to transcend the emotional component
of difficult memories?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well, the mindfulness of the meditation, it quiets and calms
your mind for you to go within, to tap into
your higher self, which is your higher self is directly
connected to God source, the I am Creator. So that's
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what you want. You want to go where that direct
connection is to God. So being in that mindful state
of existence with the meditation quiet's the mind. Therefore, and
then you know, like I didn't have a father figure
in my life, just for an example, I didn't think
it ever bothered me. I didn't think it bothered me
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until I started meditating, and the memory came up and
from the back of my from the subconscious mind, and
it came out of my subconscious mind. It was buried
in there and it came forward and out, never to
be thought of again, and that needs to happen. And
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that's what meditation does. It lets you heal from anything
that maybe interrupting your path to go forward. You know.
So now whatever happened in my childhood that wasn't ideal,
I practiced forgiveness. Forgiveness is another mile of mindful thing too, forgiveness, gratitude.
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You know, I found out in my endes that you know, uh,
everything is already pre planned of you know, I planned
a lot of it before I got here as my
higher soul to experience certain things, including picking my parents
to go through certain lessons and experiences and for them
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to also go through experiences. So I really am a
firm believer and of forgiveness for healing childhood stuff, gratitude
for the experiences. The gratitude really shifts the energy of anything.
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Even when I had COVID a few years ago, I
had it pretty bad. So not until I went into
gratitude did things shift for me and I started getting
better Because we are here to experience these difficult things.
I had a lot of loss in my life. The
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loss seems to be my theme, you know, So I
just go to gratitude that it helps for me in
particular because I've had the MD and so I know
there's no there is no death, and we're all going
to see each other again, So it's easy for me, easier, easier.
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I'm still in a human body. The human body has
what I call negative emotions. When I was out of
my body, there are no negative emotions. As a soul farm,
there's only blisconsciousness, which is you for a happiness. There's
only love. I mean, we are love, and it's not
a love we have here. You know, if I had
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to describe it, it's like the love for your children,
or you have a love of love of your life
sould me. You have to multiply that by fifty thousand
and honestly, there are no human words to describe that love.
And it's divine love. That's what I call it.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
And we're going to talk more about your near death
experience when we come back into the next segment. My
guests Reverend Lisa Marie Bonsik. She's contributing to the book
The Ways to God, a spiritual mosaic discovering God through
many perspectives. Rever Lisa Marie, please share with our listeners
they can find out more about you and your work,
and also the book.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I got an email from the publisher and she said,
Lisa Marie, I've been trying to get you for two years.
I said, yeah, I think, I think I remember you
sending me an email. You know. She said, I thought
you were supposed to be on my last book. And
I said, well, I guess not. Everything is in die
divine order. I know that for a fact. So she says,
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I want You've been channeled. She said it was channel
to her that I be part of this book. I said, okay,
so what's the title? When she said The Ways to God,
it just resonated right to my soul. I knew in
an instant that I was supposed to be a part
of this book. And it has been a wonderful journey.
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The book has the author's all. All of the authors
have had incredible their death experiences or spiritually transformative experiences,
and it's a great book. It's coming out on the
twenty eighth of this month, June.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
What is your website and how can people find out
more about you and your work?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
My website is Perfect Healthandbalance dot com.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And we'll be back with more of Reverend Lisa Marie
after these words on the own Times Radio network.
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Speaker 1 (24:01):
Back on Vox Novius, my guest this week is Reverend
Lisa Marie Bonsek. We're going to be talking about her
near death experience and her contribution to the book The
Ways to God, a spiritual mosaic Discovering God through many perspectives.
Reverend Lisa Marie, your near death experience occurred in twenty seventeen.
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Please share with our listeners what happened and what you experienced.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Well, Like I was saying, I had line disease and
a lot of complications from that, you know, it was
coming from being the epitome of epitome of health. And
then this struck me, and I tell you, I was
shocked that my path would change so swiftly from one
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thing to another. So I got bit by a tick
and I didn't catch it right away. Long story shore,
I ended up with a lot of complications from that,
and then I started having a huge problem with not
producing cortisol, and that was what really created than their
death experiences. And immediately that day in question, I started
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feeling lighter and lighter in my body, and I started
hearing a wishing sound in my body and I didn't
know what it was. And then later on that night,
I was laying down and I just felt that lightness
and I guess getting lighter until I was light as air,
and I felt my soul come out of my body.
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It just resurrected out of my body between like i'd say,
between my chest and my head, somewhere there. And I
just instantly I could feel myself separating from my body.
And I remember instantly so many things going on at once.
All the divine knowledge was there for me. There were
no more secrets anymore, and I felt like my life
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was done. And it was a snap of a finger,
but quicker than a snap of a finger, I felt
my lifetime, this lifetime right here. That's how fast. It
went by, and it meant nothing. It wasn't important anymore.
I was done now, I was getting my reward, and
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I was released. I was free, I was enlightened, and
I was huge. I was expanded, this expanded consciousness that
filled up the whole room, and I was just I
couldn't believe it. I was bliss consciousness. I was up
a happiness that if I had a face it would
have been. I was beamed up, you know, with this instant,
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permanent bright smile, and I was laughing. I was constantly laughing,
and I instantly noticed that I turned into this magnificent love.
And then I noticed that there was this light coming
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from me. It was coming off of me, like eight
or ten inches away from me. I felt this golden light,
and I knew right away that I was getting the
knowing or the information that I was going to be
a healer, or that I was a healer. And then
instantly Jesus came swooped down in front of me, put
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his hands out and said no, like it's not your time.
And at the same time, archangel Michael, who was like
I Doro twelve to fifteen feet tall, was to the
left of me, and I could sense and feel. And
before this I never believed with angels and angels with wings.
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So he had these humongous wings, ginormous wings that enveloped
the side of me on the left, and I could
feel the intricate, little tiny feathers within the feathers. I mean,
I'll never forget that. So he was assisting in the
healing with Jesus, and then my higher self was also
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assisting them in my body's healing. At the same time,
like I was saying, I was speaking a different language.
I don't know if it was Aramaic, I don't know,
but it was fluent and that language. There was a theme,
and I knew that I was praying for my own healing,
my body's healing. At the same time, the angels, hundreds
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of angels were there saying together, this is the day
that the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be
glad in it. At the same time, I sensed Mother
Mary up on my front left. I didn't pay attention
to it, there was just so much going on. And
then other angels I believe it was Gabriel and Raphael
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on my back on my right side. So while the
healing was going on, Like I say, fifty things are
happening at once. I was being shown everything. I was
being shown humanity, I was being shown my purpose. I
was being getting downloads for friends. You know now that
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I was this expanded consciousness. All the information was being
downloaded to me. And I was speaking to the divine
beings and God, which I will tell you about through telepathy.
So telepathy is just thought to thought, which is so
much easier than speaking with a mouth. Speaking with a
mouth is a lot of work, and once you experienced telepathy,
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so I would ask a question and it would be
answered before I could even finish the thought. So at
the same time, I was being shown my future, and
I was watching myself, which was very cool. I saw
the right side of myself in the back of myself,
and in my future, I was a spiritual speaker and
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I was talking. I could still see the audience in
front of me, and I had a presentation screen behind me,
which I didn't know how to do any of that
back then. You know, I was a singer, so I
had that create a part of me. So I saw
my future. I knew that was the truth. I knew
what they were showing me was the truth and whatever
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I was singing was going to happen. But I didn't
know how it was going to happen, or how I
was going to get to that day, in that moment
in time that they showed me. But while I was
watching myself, I noticed I used about ten words that
I didn't even understand. So I thought to myself and
I was laughing. I was like, gee, I sound so intelligent.
I was laughing because I didn't understand some of the
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words I was saying. You know, little did I know
I was going to go in the seminary and get
my master's into viny, so there could be words from
there that I learned. I don't know, but those those words,
I just hadn't learned yet, some of those words. So
that was fascinating to me. So I saw what I
was wearing. I saw the way I would be, my
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hair and everything, and you know, and Jesus was telling
me that I was going to be completely cured. And
I'd been sick for many years, not able to get
out of this state of chronic fatigue and chronic pain.
So he was telling me my hair was going to
grow back, and my blood work was going to look different,
and I didn't need to worry about anything, and I
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trusted that. And I didn't even get medical help after
that experience, and the doctor wanted to hospitalize me. So
long story short, you know, I was watching my future
and I know what I was saying. I was talking
about ayr Veda and how people could keel through ayer Veda.
I actually said to myself, Oh, my gosh, I sound
like Wayne Dyer. You know everybody, most people know who
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Wayne Dyer is, and I thought that was kind of strange,
you know. And I was talking about Ayurveda healing and
I was like a motivational spiritual speaker. And I also
felt physically. I could feel physically the health of my
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body in my future, and I realized that I was
healthier and more energetic than even before I gotten sick,
which really intrigued me. So I was thinking, well, how
am I going to get there? I was in such
bad shape, and so this is what was shown to me.
And I was given that opportunity to see that and
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see that my path was going to change and my
life was going to change. And I also noticed I
was using a few off colored words. And I always
feel the need to bring this up. And because I
had meditated for so long, you know, thirty years, and
I had this you know, raised consciousness, and I had
I was my goal was more of a Christ's consciousness,
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bliss consciousness, and with that comes a purity of your soul.
You get this purity, which is great, and it's great
for me to live that life. But when I noticed
I used a few off colored words, that was really
a shock to me. So I said to Jesus, what
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is up with that? And he said to me something
very profound. He said, first of all, you came here
to learn compassion, and I think he was trying to
tell me number one, that I decided that way before
I came here as my higher self soul, before I
went into my body. Secondly, I think he was trying
to tell me that there's a lot of suffering that
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comes with that, because even though I had compassion before
I'd gotten sick, it's not the level of compassion that
I have now, and the understanding of what people are
going through with illnesses, like the patient that come to
me now with cancer. I had a woman, a young
woman that lost her newborn baby. I mean, this is heavy,
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ginormous loss and now they're coming to me. Everybody's brought
to me through divine intervention. And I am here with
a much greater understanding because of my suffering for so
many years and what I've gained and learned from that suffering,
of how I could better help people now with this
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much deeper level of compassion to deal with anything that
comes my way, so I can help them navigate how
they're going to get through and how they're going to heal.
So Jesus said to me, you know, you came here
to learn compassion. And while I was watching myself speak,
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there was also a theme to the speaking engagements, and
in big letters before me, it said hope. So I
knew my purpose was speaking to people and I was
to give them hope. And that was that's why I
was meant to stay here and continue my journey. And
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my journey changed completely. I had a total change of careers.
It totally my life went in a totally different direction.
After these experiences, which were really profound, I was completely healed.
Some things were I was completely healed, like immediately, but
the fatigue took longer. I took up to a year.
I was in bad shape with that. But it finally
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went in to where my cortisol levels were finally normal,
which is told was told to me that I would
never be normal. I would never be normal again, and
you know, I'd have to take medication for the rest
of my life, you know, to function to any sort
of normalcy, you know, because I was basically at Addison's disease.
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But I was completely healed and I'm very strong now.
But I have to tell you I'm not at the
strength and the energy that I was in my future
because that particular day that I saw hasn't come yet.
And so I have to tell you a funny story.
I was on a plane last year and the plane,
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while we were in flight, it seemed to just drop
from the in the sky and everybody was screaming. They
everybody thought they were going to die. I ironically was
meditating at that moment that the plane dropped, and so
it was very calm, and the lady next to me
and her husband or whoever he was, they were just
embracing each other. I thought they were going to die.
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I didn't know what was going to happen. And she
was saying to me because I started talking to her
to calm them. Down, and she said to me, you're
the calmest one on this plane. And I said, I
have to tell you this. I had a near death
experience and I saw my future and that particular day
hasn't come yet, hasn't happened yet. So well, you know
what that means. I'm not going to die on this plane.
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So that means you're not going to die on this
plane today.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Wonderful.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Then her husband are probably still talking about that interaction
they had.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
With me, Reverend Lisa Marie. There's an ancient parable from
the Vedas in which Brahma was hearing the complaints of
the Hindu deities about humans also having divine powers. They
were urging Brahma to hide these powers from humans atop
the highest mountains or at the bottom of the deepest seas.
Brahma responded that humans would eventually find them there. He
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then said he would hide the divinity inside of humans
because they would never think of looking for them.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
There.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Did your near death experience reveal the divinity within?
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Oh? Absolutely, the one This is with God. We are
our souls, we are one with God. And that was
and you know, every religion starts with somebody that who
has had a spiritual, a mystical experience, I should say,
and I will read if I can find it quickly,
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the part in my book The Ways to God. What
I say about that, because indeed, all the religions have
started with somebody who has a mystical experience, and then
the religions put all rules, you know, start adding rules.
So Moses' experience is awakening and encounter with God. While
alone in the mountains. Buddha sat under the body tree
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for years before he could say I am awake. Jesus
was in the wilderness for forty days and forty nine
before he could say, I and the Father are one.
Mohammed came to hear God's voice via the angel Gabriel
while meditating in a cave. Okay, so Jesus said, I
and the Father are one. And that was my experience.
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When I left my body, I became one with God
and God spoke to me. God was in the distance
during this healing, allowing this healing to happen for me.
And you know, I'm sure that they had to get permission,
I would imagine, to let this happen for me to
have this NDE experience. And God said to me and
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he called me Lisa Marie. He said, he said, it's
in my time, Lisa Marie, not yours. I will never
forget that. Yeah, I'll never forget that. And I felt,
and I didn't know that before my nds Victor that
you know, I thought God was separate, you know. It
was like God was the pie, the whole, the whole
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of the universe, of whatever, all the unit I figured out.
I found out there was many universes, many planets, many
universes that we don't even know about. It's so advanced
over there, so advanced. And I was a piece of
the pie. God was the pie, the whole. I was
a sliver of that pie. But so that means my
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spirit is a part of God, or is God. And
now it went back into this body and got buried
and smothered and limited in a body. And now once
I went back to my body, I was turned off
from all the magnificent divine information that I was being given,
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you know. So you know, first of all, I found
out we don't die. Our spirit continues on. And I
have to tell you, and I want people to know
this that I didn't lose a lot of people say
they lose their identity when they leave their body. I
didn't lose my identity. What I became was my best self.
I was void of the human body, limitations, all of
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the negative emotions, you know, just even time, because we're
on we have circadian rhythms and our bodies that we
have to go by. We have to go by, you know,
light and darkness of the earth, you know time. And
when I left my body, there was no time. I
The way I try to explain it is I was
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in the now, and I've had moments of being in
the now as a meditator, so I can say that
that's what it was. When you're in a spirit form,
you're just in the now and you're just being being
and in this perfect love. So you know, I was
even being shown people that I won't go into the details,
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but situations in my life, and I was being shown how,
in a spirit form, how I was turning that situation
into a very loving situation. No matter how bad it was,
I was able to turn it into a loving situation.
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So when you know God, God had an authoritative voice,
but I wasn't afraid of him. It was a male
voice for me. It was a male voice. You could
feel the power you can feel, you know, the omniscience
of God. And I was, you know, we were in
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the bliss consciousness, both of us. So even though he
said what he said to me whatever, I totally understood it,
just how I understood what Jesus was saying to me
about the humor with the off colored words he said
it being on earth is very important in my work
and whatever to have humor, And how important it was
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that whatever I was saying. You know, he said to me,
you're too pure and you need to be able to
relate to the people on earth. And so I'm like, okay,
So I did all that meditation for nothing.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
My guest is Reverend Lisa Marie Bonsek. We'll be back
with more after these words on the Old Times Radio Network.
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Speaker 1 (43:28):
Back on Vox Novis, my guest this week is Reverend
Lisa Marie Bonsek. We're talking about her near death experience
and her contribution to the book The Ways to God,
a spiritual mosaic discovering God through many perspectives. You know,
one of the things you were talking before, we were
talking about the parable about Brahma and hiding the divinity.
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There's the Hindu word, the greeting Nama Stay translates as
the divinity within me bows and acknowledges the abnity within you.
Should we all start bowing to one another and saying, Mama, stay.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Absolutely. What I found out on the other side is
we are all one collective consciousness. It's not about religion.
If I had to say there was a religion, the
religion was love. It was just love and in our
spirit forms, and when we go back home, we are love.
And that is the greatest tool you can have on earth,
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in your earthly body, human form, to manage any situation
in your life. You know, we are here for the drama.
We're here for all the negativity. The earth has a
lot a negative vibration. It's a lower vibration then you know,
so we are all you know. I think the souls
that have chosen to come here are very advanced souls
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that chose a difficult journey, and we have to remember
that and it's tough to navigate. So having that the
tools like love and gratitude and forgiveness comes to your
advantage to navigate situations that are very difficult in life.
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Like other people, you're going to encounter people that are negative,
You're going to encounter issues with people. It's just an
everyday occurrence.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
We share the connection of having studied and been ordained
through a common interfaith heritage. And when I was attending
the New Seminary back in nineteen ninety five, one of
the things that we were taught was that there is
an iteration of the Golden Rule in virtually every faith
and belief system. How would it change the world if
this recognition was embraced by everybody.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
We'd have world peace. Well ever, even have world peace,
because everybody would recognize if they awakened, If everybody was
awakened to their true self, which is their spirit form,
which is just love, you for a happiness, bliss, consciousness
and peace and a divine being. We are a divine being,
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spiritual beings having a human experience. So you know, it's
just that a lot some people just don't know that
they can awaken to that. And if we all were
awakened to that, we'd have world peace.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Right, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
We'd be loving one another, helping one another instead of
dividing one another, which has been going on in the
last five years. I mean, the last five years have
been so difficult. You know, I'm counseling people, counseling families
that they're choosing politics over love, like what happened, What happened,
you know, So people need to wake up to whatever,
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you know, to that state of love who they really are,
and that would change everything. But I don't know if
it's going to happen in my lifetime or your lifetime, victor.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
What have been some of your experiences as an interfaith
minister and spiritual counselor Oh.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
It's just been I chose that because I'd had them
their death experience when I found out we were all
there was no religion on the other side per se.
You know, there's ascended masters, there's you know, people with
a higher vibration that have that come here. I was
even told that I came here to be a helper,
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you know, and probably who knows how many lifetimes too.
So that being said, I chose I wanted to help everybody.
I didn't want to help just Christians the way I
was brought up. And what happened was, I've just had
amazing things happened to me, and it's all orchestrated by God.
I'm on a mission for God. That's what my mission is.
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And I out of the blue, I'll give you an example.
Out of the blue, somebody calls me and they didn't
know I was a reverend, and they just somebody called
the business and to order a lymphatic massage. And I
went to the house because I do a lot of
house calls, and I was taking my massage table out
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of my truck and the guy comes out and he says,
do you don't need your massage table? You don't need
your massage tab. I'll explain when you come in. This
was one of the divine, big, divine moments of my life.
And I walked in and he says to me, he's
the brother of the person he wants to get the
lymphatic massage he says, I have to tell you, my
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thirty four year old sister is on her deathbed, in
a hospital bed in her bedroom. And I know immediately
because I get these waves that come over me from
the other side, from Heaven that tell me that this
is a divine moment in my life. I'm supposed to
be there. So what are the chances? Now, these people
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are Muslims. They're talking about they're saying the word Allah
as the name for God. And I thanked God for
studying all of the religions so that at that moment
in time, I knew what they were talking about when
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they said Allah. These people were very religious. The family
was so close. They were just such a wonderful, loving family.
And I went in there and did my thing, and
somebody asked the dying girl asked me, now, asked me
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in front of the dying girl about my near death experience,
because somehow it had come up. Maybe I told one
of them, I don't remember, So she asked me, and
the dying girl was out of it, and all of
a sudden she opened her eyes listened to my experience
and how it felt. I think the girl had said,
you know, how did it feel? To leave your body,
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and I explained how wonderful it was, and the dying
girl had a look on her face like she was
so relieved that now she was ready to leave her body.
So now I'm getting premonitions because I'm not doing only massage.
I'm doing healing on people. That is the other thing
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I do. So because I came back with healing abilities
and channeling abilities, I channeled the divine. So as I
was doing healing on her at the top of her head,
I kept hearing from the divine. You know, I normally
give people hope, and the divine knows that God knows
that about me, and I kept hearing very emphatically, do
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not give the family hope. This, in other words, this
was her time, and there was no There wasn't going
to be a miracle. The miracle was going to be
that she was going to die and she was going
to be in her spirit form and she was going home.
That was the miracle. And the brother kept talking to
me and saying, lista, Marie, I know you believe in miracles.
I know, I know you know we could heal her
with some natural remedy that you have and you know,
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and I just I was being held back from talking.
I couldn't even say the words to give hope. Spirit, God,
the divine was even holding my words back. I mean,
this was really profound. And then all of a sudden,
you know, the doctors had said to them that she
had months to live. So I took them aside. I
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took the brother and the mother of the dying girl
who was dying of cancer, and I took them aside,
and I just started channeling information. And I said to
the brother, I cannot give you hope. And I know
I would, but I can't give you hope because I'm
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hearing and I'm feeling that she does not have months
to live. That a week a week felt like a
long time to me, and I knew that she was
going to die within and I had been there for
several days. They had called me back, and so I
was there for several times, and this was I was
talking to this time station was happening the last day
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I was there, and I knew. I had this knowing.
I call it the knowing that a week felt like
a long time. She was given several months to live,
and I knew, and I told them the family that
within two or three days of when I was going
to be leaving that day. It was going to be
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her time, and it happened. I told the family that
the divine there was divine beings in the room that
I could feel and sense and see. I wanted them
to know that. And then she died two days after
I left. But I told the family, which it was
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just a knowing, that you need to go in there,
and it was very important for them. She was holding
on for them, you know. She was telling the people
sitting next to her, Oh, you know, go to get
a drink of water. You'll feel better. You'll I'll make
you feel better. This girl is dying. And this is
what tells you how evolved her soul was that she
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was caring more about other people than her own suffering.
She was dying, She was in the active stage of dying.
So I said to them, you need to go tell
her that it's okay to leave now. She needs to
be out of her suffering. She needs to be out
of her suffering. I explained to them how much she
was suffering and in the pain she was in, and
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I recalled my own suffering and why it was so
important for me to go through my own suffering to
understand what the dying was going through. What you know,
It was just everything happens at a timing. Everything is
in God's timing, and life has a timing. And I
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know I was brought at that timing versus years before,
you know, so I had the experience of suffering the
deep compassion that I have now. It was just the
timing was perfect, and you know, I said to them,
you need to go in, and they must have done
that after I left, and then she was able to
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leave her body and a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
Later, everything unfolding in divine order. My guest Reverend Lisa
Marie Bonsek. She's contributed to the book The Ways to God,
a spiritual mosaic discovering God through many perspectives. Reverend Lisa Marie,
please share with the listeners one more time where they
can get a copy of that book and also find
out more about you and your website.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
The book is The Ways to God is being published
June twenty eighth. In a couple of weeks twenty twenty five.
You can now pre order the kindle version of the book,
and I believe on the twenty eighth you'll be able
to pre order the books. It's going to be in
hardcover and a softcover book and Kindle, and then in
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a few months or a couple of months are going
to be doing an audible version of the book, which
is going to be great. So each author is going
to be able to speak their chapter and the chapter.
And in my chapter, I talk about my NDEs, two
of them on that Easter weekend and talk. I have
a section where I talk about how to raise your consciousness,
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how to connect with source God. I talk about my
spiritually ex transformative experiences that happened throughout my whole life,
and in the end I talk about how we can
manage and get through this life, this earth life, existence
and a human body. My website is perfect Healthandbalance dot com.
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You will find everything there and anybody can contact me
through Facebook Messenger. I'm under Reverend. I think it's just
our e V Lisa Marie Bonsek, b O n C
e K and they can contact me through there or
through my website. I'm happy to talk to end anybody,
and I do remote healings.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Reverend Lisa Frie, thank you so much for joining us
and sharing this amazing experience and the gifts that it
gave you.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
It's my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
Thank you for having me, and thank you for joining
us on Vox Novus. I'm Victor the Voice Verman. Have
a wonderful week.
Vox Novus, the New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension,
Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Vox Novus, the New Voice, a true embodiment of mind, body,
spirit integration. My guest this week on Vox Novus. Reverend
Lisa Marie Bonsek is a healer, teacher, speaker, and near
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death experiencer whose life's work is dedicated to awakening the
divine within. As the founder of Perfect Health and Balance,
She's created a sanctuary for holistic healing that blends spiritual
insight with ancient healing arts. Her vast expertise spans the
realms of massage, therapy, i her veda, intuitive energy, healing, yoga,
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and meditation, guiding others to return to their true state
of wholeness. Her website is Perfect Health and Balance dot com,
and she joins me this week to share her path
and powerful contribution to the near death institutes. Soon to
be published book, The Ways to God, a spiritual mosaic
discovering God through many perspectives. Please join me in Welcoming
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to vox Nobus, Reverend Lisa Marie Bonsek. Welcome, Reverend Lisa Marie.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Hi, thanks for having me today, Victor.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Thank you, sir, happy to be here. Thank you so
much for joining us and sharing your remarkable story. So,
Reverend Lisa Marie, what was your early path like and
how did your experiences shape your understand life and spirit.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, I was raised in a single parent home by
my Italian mother, and we were raised in the Catholic faith.
Later on, when I was a teenager, we started going
to a Pentecostal church. My mother was very religious, very religious,
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I mean she was at church five times a week. So,
but I always felt led at a very early age
by something higher, So I wasn't really totally influenced by
the religion I grew up. And because I had this
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higher guidance and I was extremely, very very fiercely independent child.
So I ended up leaving home at sixteen searching just
for more and more independent and that was just where
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I was being led. So and then I did a
lot of studies. I was in nursing school. I put
myself through nursing school and hairdressing school, and knowing the
feeling I had intuitively that I was going to be
very independent. I wanted to have something to always fall
back on. So I went to school and then realized
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that I wanted to be I was being drawn to Ayerveda,
which is India's holistic medicine. So I started studying Ayrveda
after going to an Irveda clinic in Iowa when I
was twenty seven years old, and that's when I started.
When I was there that week, I learned transcendental meditation
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while I was there, and I did the Pancha Karma treatments,
which are cleansing treatments and balancing of the body. That's
what ayr Veda is all about. So my journey, spiritual
journey really became very profound once I started meditating and
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started the Irveda Irveda when I you know, discovered that. So,
but in the meantime, when I was in my twenties,
I was being drawn to Edgar Casey's books, you know,
the Sleeping Profit. I was being drawn to the Indian culture, Irveda,
and I was wondering why I was being drawn to
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all that. But I was very interested in natural medicine
at a young age. Probably when since I was a teenager.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Getting back to the teenage years, what were the lessons
that you learned on self exp Russian and assertiveness.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, I taught myself well. I taught myself more when
I was out of the house at maybe twenty years old.
Because I was always self employed. I was always a motivated,
driven child, and I realized, coming from a very difficult
childhood with a difficult mother, that I was very passive.
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So I had to train and teach myself. I wanted
to teach myself how to be assertive, but I also
wanted to be nice, so I had to figure out
and navigate how I was going to make that happen.
So I would listen to older people and how they
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were talking and how they were introducing themselves to me,
and I just picked up little things that I liked
how you know, what they said. And I had to
practice speaking to older people or my clients. And because
people would say things in life that, you know, I
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didn't want to let it go. I wanted to say
something without you know, without letting it go, so I
would and end up with a stomach ache and regret
it later wonder why I didn't say anything and speak
up for myself. So I just taught myself how to
be a bit more diplomatic, h keeping the kindness, but
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getting my points across in a nice way, and cured
myself of that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So in reality, it was a combination of self advocacy
and then but doing it in a proper way exactly
so that you didn't scare people, so that you didn't
scare people away, right, you.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Know, like putting you know, you know, just like somebody
would get to leave me a check. You know, it's high.
I've always had a hard time with money because you know,
I've got this thing where money is not at the
fore point. It's not it's not at the uh priority.
I should say, I'm always you know, as a minister.
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Now I'm always doing you know, sir, I'm in service.
So it's I've always had that mindset, even as child,
even as a young adult. So I have a hard
time with with money or receiving money. So somebody that
forgot to leave a check, it's kind of hard to say,
you know, you forgot to pay me? How do you
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say that? So I would send a message or a text.
I don't even know if texting was we had it
back then, but I would say, you know, something like
I'm sure you didn't realize it, you know, or maybe
was there a check? Did you leave a check for me?
And maybe I didn't see it, you know. So I would,
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you know, figure out a way to say things nicely
without sounding abrupt to abrupt or dealing with my difficult mother,
I would say, Ma, you know, I'm on your side,
So this way it would calm her and it would
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kind of stop her in her tracks. And what can
you say? What can she say to that? You know?
She could only feel at peace? And that was my mission,
even as a young a young person or a teenager
or after the teenage years when I moved out. So
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it's all about navigating life. And you know, when I
found out after you know, going skipping ahead to the NDEs,
you know, I found out we're all one collective consciousness,
so we're all in it together, and I just want
everybody to feel peaceful and not. I'm not person of confrontation.
I've never been. I avoid confrontation. So I had to
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figure out a way to speak my mind or what
was what I was thinking, you know, without you know,
and make everybody happy, including myself.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
It's interesting that you had mentioned the fact that your
spiritual acknowledgment, your spiritual calling was not necessarily one about compensation.
When I was in business many years ago, a friend
of mine knew the fact that I had become an
interfaith minister and reikihaling and spiritual work. And a friend
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of mine in business said, how do you balance the
fact that you have this day job in industrial business,
industrial technology and this other stuff that you do. And
without even thinking about it, I said, the day job
pays my salary. The other work pays my soulery. This
word soulery came out of me. And I'm actually in
the process of writing a book now called Solary the
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Compensation of spirit.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
That is a perfect word. And I'm glad I just
learned that from you, because that's what it is. And
and in my earlier days, and I'm still a singer,
but I studied opera when I was in my twenties.
I put myself, I found the best uh and I
wanted the best teacher that I could get that can
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train could train me rigorously. And I trained with the
late Pascual Papano, and I was training to be an
opera singer. So he was part of my journey to
uh coming out of my shell and the and being passive,
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and he really that training really boosted my confidence. And uh,
you know, I've I was born with the gift of
a voice. It was just I want, I needed the training,
and I wanted to sing all different genres of music,
but I wanted the really the best training I could get,
and that was the opera training. Uh, So I sent.
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I spent several years training with him three times a week,
which was part of just a wonderful journey. You know,
it kind of all goes together, you know, the creativity
part of me, you know, the spiritual it's all integrated together.
And it goes together with my healing practice with the Aerveda,
with the massage therapy, spiritual healing massage, the King Master,
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you know healing it for me, It all it all
goes together absolutely.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Now getting back to the Araveda healing practice. First of all,
what attracted you to Areveda and the Hindu culture.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I saw I have been having stes spiritually transformative experience
since I was really young, So I just thought it
was normal, you know, I just didn't think I thought
everybody saw visions. I thought everybody had premonitions, you know,
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or epiphanies, and I guess I found out later that
that's not totally true. So but for me, it was
the norm. You know. I had this higher guidance. I
was very in tune with my higher self, my soul,
you know, since a young age. I could feel the
energy in my hands sitting at the edge of my
bed when I was seven years old. So this goes
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way back. And I am the only spiritual person and
on either side of my families. So I wasn't raised
even though my mother was very religious. But as you know,
religion and spirituality are different so Asian. So I found
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out about ayr Veda through Deepak Chopra, the Irveda physician
that came to America from India. So I saw him
ironically on the Oprah Winfrey Show, and he was talking
about his book back then, Perfect Health, and I was
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drawn to what he was saying. And he had a
pendulum in his hand and was telling Oprah to look
at it and concentrate on it and she was able
to make it move. And he was talking about the
power of the mind. And I was just drawn into that,
and then he was talking about meditation. So I bought
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the book, resonated with it, with the different body types
and how it's just an imbalance of the body that
we have all these health issues that we actually think
are normal, like allergies and women problems and things like that,
and it's just really toxicity of the body. Bo he's
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out of balance. I was a singer, so I was
burning the candle at both ends, you know. I had
my day job, self employment, and then I was singing
at night and it was turning my body off. And
that's what made me buy the book. I resonated with
the book and what he was saying and what Ayerveda
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was all about. And then at the back of the book,
it listed some Irveda centers that were in the United States.
So I just chose the one in Iowa. I figured,
let me go see what Iowa was all about. And
I went there and it was only for five days,
but it was life changing. It was totally life change,
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and I said, I've got to learn this, I've got
to study this. People need to know about this. I'm
about to write I'm now about to write a book
about that. Because there's so many things I've learned in
my life, and not only from Ayrveda, that are healing
modalities that nobody knows about. So while I was at
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the center, they called somebody in that taught me the
MEDATM and then you had to do that for I
don't know, about a year and a half, for two
years before you could go into the advanced it's called
Cities program sid d Hi program to do the advanced
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meditation of TM. So then I went further and did that,
which takes about an hour, you know, and you do
it twice a day. And that really brought me even
much further into my connection with the divine and my
higher self and you know, resonating with where nature started
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following me. And then I had the Irveda on top
of it. So my body was cleansed, which is part
of raising your consciousness too, because ideally you want to
raise your vibration, raise your consciousness to be more at
a level of what we are as spirit spirit beings,
which is enlightened. And that was my goal, perfect health
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and enlightenment. And it basically had twenty five then experienced
twenty five years of that. It was very very fortunate.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And for those not familiar with TM transcendental meditation, just
tell us a little bit about the practice.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Sure, it's the beginning one. You just have a mantra,
and a mantra is in layman's terms, it's just a word,
a word that is a sound, so it's gonna it
may sound a little strange to you, but it has
a vibration. The mantra, whatever the instructor gives you. I
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think they go by age, you know something like that.
Part of it is by your age of what mantra
you're gonna get, and you do twenty minutes of that.
And I wasn't one to really I didn't think I
was gonna stick with it. But when I started meditating,
it just resonated with me. My body was telling me
I needed that and it was the best thing that
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I could have ever done for my life. And so
it's twenty minutes twice a day for the beginners, and
then the advanced one. You have the twenty minute mantra,
your same mantra that I had already, and then you
have eighteen what they call sutras, which again are words
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that resonate with the body. And at the end of
the advanced meditation. The city's program. There is a ten
minute part that they call the flying and there's a levitation.
There's the different sutras for that section at the end,
and some people are levitating, some people are hopping in
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a lotus position, hopping so many feet in the air.
And it is true, it is true because I've experienced that.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
How may mindfulness help us to transcend the emotional component
of difficult memories?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well, the mindfulness of the meditation, it quiets and calms
your mind for you to go within, to tap into
your higher self, which is your higher self is directly
connected to God source, the I am Creator. So that's
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what you want. You want to go where that direct
connection is to God. So being in that mindful state
of existence with the meditation quiet's the mind. Therefore, and
then you know, like I didn't have a father figure
in my life, just for an example, I didn't think
it ever bothered me. I didn't think it bothered me
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until I started meditating, and the memory came up and
from the back of my from the subconscious mind, and
it came out of my subconscious mind. It was buried
in there and it came forward and out, never to
be thought of again, and that needs to happen. And
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that's what meditation does. It lets you heal from anything
that maybe interrupting your path to go forward. You know.
So now whatever happened in my childhood that wasn't ideal,
I practiced forgiveness. Forgiveness is another mile of mindful thing too, forgiveness, gratitude.
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You know, I found out in my endes that you know, uh,
everything is already pre planned of you know, I planned
a lot of it before I got here as my
higher soul to experience certain things, including picking my parents
to go through certain lessons and experiences and for them
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to also go through experiences. So I really am a
firm believer and of forgiveness for healing childhood stuff, gratitude
for the experiences. The gratitude really shifts the energy of anything.
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Even when I had COVID a few years ago, I
had it pretty bad. So not until I went into
gratitude did things shift for me and I started getting
better Because we are here to experience these difficult things.
I had a lot of loss in my life. The
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loss seems to be my theme, you know, So I
just go to gratitude that it helps for me in
particular because I've had the MD and so I know
there's no there is no death, and we're all going
to see each other again, So it's easy for me, easier, easier.
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I'm still in a human body. The human body has
what I call negative emotions. When I was out of
my body, there are no negative emotions. As a soul farm,
there's only blisconsciousness, which is you for a happiness. There's
only love. I mean, we are love, and it's not
a love we have here. You know, if I had
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to describe it, it's like the love for your children,
or you have a love of love of your life
sould me. You have to multiply that by fifty thousand
and honestly, there are no human words to describe that love.
And it's divine love. That's what I call it.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
And we're going to talk more about your near death
experience when we come back into the next segment. My
guests Reverend Lisa Marie Bonsik. She's contributing to the book
The Ways to God, a spiritual mosaic discovering God through
many perspectives. Rever Lisa Marie, please share with our listeners
they can find out more about you and your work,
and also the book.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I got an email from the publisher and she said,
Lisa Marie, I've been trying to get you for two years.
I said, yeah, I think, I think I remember you
sending me an email. You know. She said, I thought
you were supposed to be on my last book. And
I said, well, I guess not. Everything is in die
divine order. I know that for a fact. So she says,
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I want You've been channeled. She said it was channel
to her that I be part of this book. I said, okay,
so what's the title? When she said The Ways to God,
it just resonated right to my soul. I knew in
an instant that I was supposed to be a part
of this book. And it has been a wonderful journey.
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The book has the author's all. All of the authors
have had incredible their death experiences or spiritually transformative experiences,
and it's a great book. It's coming out on the
twenty eighth of this month, June.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
What is your website and how can people find out
more about you and your work?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
My website is Perfect Healthandbalance dot com.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And we'll be back with more of Reverend Lisa Marie
after these words on the own Times Radio network.
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Speaker 1 (24:01):
Back on Vox Novius, my guest this week is Reverend
Lisa Marie Bonsek. We're going to be talking about her
near death experience and her contribution to the book The
Ways to God, a spiritual mosaic Discovering God through many perspectives.
Reverend Lisa Marie, your near death experience occurred in twenty seventeen.
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Please share with our listeners what happened and what you experienced.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Well, Like I was saying, I had line disease and
a lot of complications from that, you know, it was
coming from being the epitome of epitome of health. And
then this struck me, and I tell you, I was
shocked that my path would change so swiftly from one
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thing to another. So I got bit by a tick
and I didn't catch it right away. Long story shore,
I ended up with a lot of complications from that,
and then I started having a huge problem with not
producing cortisol, and that was what really created than their
death experiences. And immediately that day in question, I started
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feeling lighter and lighter in my body, and I started
hearing a wishing sound in my body and I didn't
know what it was. And then later on that night,
I was laying down and I just felt that lightness
and I guess getting lighter until I was light as air,
and I felt my soul come out of my body.
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It just resurrected out of my body between like i'd say,
between my chest and my head, somewhere there. And I
just instantly I could feel myself separating from my body.
And I remember instantly so many things going on at once.
All the divine knowledge was there for me. There were
no more secrets anymore, and I felt like my life
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was done. And it was a snap of a finger,
but quicker than a snap of a finger, I felt
my lifetime, this lifetime right here. That's how fast. It
went by, and it meant nothing. It wasn't important anymore.
I was done now, I was getting my reward, and
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I was released. I was free, I was enlightened, and
I was huge. I was expanded, this expanded consciousness that
filled up the whole room, and I was just I
couldn't believe it. I was bliss consciousness. I was up
a happiness that if I had a face it would
have been. I was beamed up, you know, with this instant,
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permanent bright smile, and I was laughing. I was constantly laughing,
and I instantly noticed that I turned into this magnificent love.
And then I noticed that there was this light coming
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from me. It was coming off of me, like eight
or ten inches away from me. I felt this golden light,
and I knew right away that I was getting the
knowing or the information that I was going to be
a healer, or that I was a healer. And then
instantly Jesus came swooped down in front of me, put
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his hands out and said no, like it's not your time.
And at the same time, archangel Michael, who was like
I Doro twelve to fifteen feet tall, was to the
left of me, and I could sense and feel. And
before this I never believed with angels and angels with wings.
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So he had these humongous wings, ginormous wings that enveloped
the side of me on the left, and I could
feel the intricate, little tiny feathers within the feathers. I mean,
I'll never forget that. So he was assisting in the
healing with Jesus, and then my higher self was also
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assisting them in my body's healing. At the same time,
like I was saying, I was speaking a different language.
I don't know if it was Aramaic, I don't know,
but it was fluent and that language. There was a theme,
and I knew that I was praying for my own healing,
my body's healing. At the same time, the angels, hundreds
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of angels were there saying together, this is the day
that the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be
glad in it. At the same time, I sensed Mother
Mary up on my front left. I didn't pay attention
to it, there was just so much going on. And
then other angels I believe it was Gabriel and Raphael
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on my back on my right side. So while the
healing was going on, Like I say, fifty things are
happening at once. I was being shown everything. I was
being shown humanity, I was being shown my purpose. I
was being getting downloads for friends. You know now that
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I was this expanded consciousness. All the information was being
downloaded to me. And I was speaking to the divine
beings and God, which I will tell you about through telepathy.
So telepathy is just thought to thought, which is so
much easier than speaking with a mouth. Speaking with a
mouth is a lot of work, and once you experienced telepathy,
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so I would ask a question and it would be
answered before I could even finish the thought. So at
the same time, I was being shown my future, and
I was watching myself, which was very cool. I saw
the right side of myself in the back of myself,
and in my future, I was a spiritual speaker and
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I was talking. I could still see the audience in
front of me, and I had a presentation screen behind me,
which I didn't know how to do any of that
back then. You know, I was a singer, so I
had that create a part of me. So I saw
my future. I knew that was the truth. I knew
what they were showing me was the truth and whatever
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I was singing was going to happen. But I didn't
know how it was going to happen, or how I
was going to get to that day, in that moment
in time that they showed me. But while I was
watching myself, I noticed I used about ten words that
I didn't even understand. So I thought to myself and
I was laughing. I was like, gee, I sound so intelligent.
I was laughing because I didn't understand some of the
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words I was saying. You know, little did I know
I was going to go in the seminary and get
my master's into viny, so there could be words from
there that I learned. I don't know, but those those words,
I just hadn't learned yet, some of those words. So
that was fascinating to me. So I saw what I
was wearing. I saw the way I would be, my
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hair and everything, and you know, and Jesus was telling
me that I was going to be completely cured. And
I'd been sick for many years, not able to get
out of this state of chronic fatigue and chronic pain.
So he was telling me my hair was going to
grow back, and my blood work was going to look different,
and I didn't need to worry about anything, and I
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trusted that. And I didn't even get medical help after
that experience, and the doctor wanted to hospitalize me. So
long story short, you know, I was watching my future
and I know what I was saying. I was talking
about ayr Veda and how people could keel through ayer Veda.
I actually said to myself, Oh, my gosh, I sound
like Wayne Dyer. You know everybody, most people know who
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Wayne Dyer is, and I thought that was kind of strange,
you know. And I was talking about Ayurveda healing and
I was like a motivational spiritual speaker. And I also
felt physically. I could feel physically the health of my
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body in my future, and I realized that I was
healthier and more energetic than even before I gotten sick,
which really intrigued me. So I was thinking, well, how
am I going to get there? I was in such
bad shape, and so this is what was shown to me.
And I was given that opportunity to see that and
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see that my path was going to change and my
life was going to change. And I also noticed I
was using a few off colored words. And I always
feel the need to bring this up. And because I
had meditated for so long, you know, thirty years, and
I had this you know, raised consciousness, and I had
I was my goal was more of a Christ's consciousness,
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bliss consciousness, and with that comes a purity of your soul.
You get this purity, which is great, and it's great
for me to live that life. But when I noticed
I used a few off colored words, that was really
a shock to me. So I said to Jesus, what
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is up with that? And he said to me something
very profound. He said, first of all, you came here
to learn compassion, and I think he was trying to
tell me number one, that I decided that way before
I came here as my higher self soul, before I
went into my body. Secondly, I think he was trying
to tell me that there's a lot of suffering that
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comes with that, because even though I had compassion before
I'd gotten sick, it's not the level of compassion that
I have now, and the understanding of what people are
going through with illnesses, like the patient that come to
me now with cancer. I had a woman, a young
woman that lost her newborn baby. I mean, this is heavy,
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ginormous loss and now they're coming to me. Everybody's brought
to me through divine intervention. And I am here with
a much greater understanding because of my suffering for so
many years and what I've gained and learned from that suffering,
of how I could better help people now with this
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much deeper level of compassion to deal with anything that
comes my way, so I can help them navigate how
they're going to get through and how they're going to heal.
So Jesus said to me, you know, you came here
to learn compassion. And while I was watching myself speak,
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there was also a theme to the speaking engagements, and
in big letters before me, it said hope. So I
knew my purpose was speaking to people and I was
to give them hope. And that was that's why I
was meant to stay here and continue my journey. And
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my journey changed completely. I had a total change of careers.
It totally my life went in a totally different direction.
After these experiences, which were really profound, I was completely healed.
Some things were I was completely healed, like immediately, but
the fatigue took longer. I took up to a year.
I was in bad shape with that. But it finally
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went in to where my cortisol levels were finally normal,
which is told was told to me that I would
never be normal. I would never be normal again, and
you know, I'd have to take medication for the rest
of my life, you know, to function to any sort
of normalcy, you know, because I was basically at Addison's disease.
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But I was completely healed and I'm very strong now.
But I have to tell you I'm not at the
strength and the energy that I was in my future
because that particular day that I saw hasn't come yet.
And so I have to tell you a funny story.
I was on a plane last year and the plane,
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while we were in flight, it seemed to just drop
from the in the sky and everybody was screaming. They
everybody thought they were going to die. I ironically was
meditating at that moment that the plane dropped, and so
it was very calm, and the lady next to me
and her husband or whoever he was, they were just
embracing each other. I thought they were going to die.
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I didn't know what was going to happen. And she
was saying to me because I started talking to her
to calm them. Down, and she said to me, you're
the calmest one on this plane. And I said, I
have to tell you this. I had a near death
experience and I saw my future and that particular day
hasn't come yet, hasn't happened yet. So well, you know
what that means. I'm not going to die on this plane.
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So that means you're not going to die on this
plane today.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Wonderful.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Then her husband are probably still talking about that interaction
they had.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
With me, Reverend Lisa Marie. There's an ancient parable from
the Vedas in which Brahma was hearing the complaints of
the Hindu deities about humans also having divine powers. They
were urging Brahma to hide these powers from humans atop
the highest mountains or at the bottom of the deepest seas.
Brahma responded that humans would eventually find them there. He
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then said he would hide the divinity inside of humans
because they would never think of looking for them.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
There.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Did your near death experience reveal the divinity within?
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Oh? Absolutely, the one This is with God. We are
our souls, we are one with God. And that was
and you know, every religion starts with somebody that who
has had a spiritual, a mystical experience, I should say,
and I will read if I can find it quickly,
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the part in my book The Ways to God. What
I say about that, because indeed, all the religions have
started with somebody who has a mystical experience, and then
the religions put all rules, you know, start adding rules.
So Moses' experience is awakening and encounter with God. While
alone in the mountains. Buddha sat under the body tree
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for years before he could say I am awake. Jesus
was in the wilderness for forty days and forty nine
before he could say, I and the Father are one.
Mohammed came to hear God's voice via the angel Gabriel
while meditating in a cave. Okay, so Jesus said, I
and the Father are one. And that was my experience.
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When I left my body, I became one with God
and God spoke to me. God was in the distance
during this healing, allowing this healing to happen for me.
And you know, I'm sure that they had to get permission,
I would imagine, to let this happen for me to
have this NDE experience. And God said to me and
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he called me Lisa Marie. He said, he said, it's
in my time, Lisa Marie, not yours. I will never
forget that. Yeah, I'll never forget that. And I felt,
and I didn't know that before my nds Victor that
you know, I thought God was separate, you know. It
was like God was the pie, the whole, the whole
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of the universe, of whatever, all the unit I figured out.
I found out there was many universes, many planets, many
universes that we don't even know about. It's so advanced
over there, so advanced. And I was a piece of
the pie. God was the pie, the whole. I was
a sliver of that pie. But so that means my
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spirit is a part of God, or is God. And
now it went back into this body and got buried
and smothered and limited in a body. And now once
I went back to my body, I was turned off
from all the magnificent divine information that I was being given,
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you know. So you know, first of all, I found
out we don't die. Our spirit continues on. And I
have to tell you, and I want people to know
this that I didn't lose a lot of people say
they lose their identity when they leave their body. I
didn't lose my identity. What I became was my best self.
I was void of the human body, limitations, all of
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the negative emotions, you know, just even time, because we're
on we have circadian rhythms and our bodies that we
have to go by. We have to go by, you know,
light and darkness of the earth, you know time. And
when I left my body, there was no time. I
The way I try to explain it is I was
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in the now, and I've had moments of being in
the now as a meditator, so I can say that
that's what it was. When you're in a spirit form,
you're just in the now and you're just being being
and in this perfect love. So you know, I was
even being shown people that I won't go into the details,
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but situations in my life, and I was being shown how,
in a spirit form, how I was turning that situation
into a very loving situation. No matter how bad it was,
I was able to turn it into a loving situation.
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So when you know God, God had an authoritative voice,
but I wasn't afraid of him. It was a male
voice for me. It was a male voice. You could
feel the power you can feel, you know, the omniscience
of God. And I was, you know, we were in
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the bliss consciousness, both of us. So even though he
said what he said to me whatever, I totally understood it,
just how I understood what Jesus was saying to me
about the humor with the off colored words he said
it being on earth is very important in my work
and whatever to have humor, And how important it was
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that whatever I was saying. You know, he said to me,
you're too pure and you need to be able to
relate to the people on earth. And so I'm like, okay,
So I did all that meditation for nothing.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
My guest is Reverend Lisa Marie Bonsek. We'll be back
with more after these words on the Old Times Radio Network.
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Speaker 1 (43:28):
Back on Vox Novis, my guest this week is Reverend
Lisa Marie Bonsek. We're talking about her near death experience
and her contribution to the book The Ways to God,
a spiritual mosaic discovering God through many perspectives. You know,
one of the things you were talking before, we were
talking about the parable about Brahma and hiding the divinity.
(43:51):
There's the Hindu word, the greeting Nama Stay translates as
the divinity within me bows and acknowledges the abnity within you.
Should we all start bowing to one another and saying, Mama, stay.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Absolutely. What I found out on the other side is
we are all one collective consciousness. It's not about religion.
If I had to say there was a religion, the
religion was love. It was just love and in our
spirit forms, and when we go back home, we are love.
And that is the greatest tool you can have on earth,
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in your earthly body, human form, to manage any situation
in your life. You know, we are here for the drama.
We're here for all the negativity. The earth has a
lot a negative vibration. It's a lower vibration then you know,
so we are all you know. I think the souls
that have chosen to come here are very advanced souls
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that chose a difficult journey, and we have to remember
that and it's tough to navigate. So having that the
tools like love and gratitude and forgiveness comes to your
advantage to navigate situations that are very difficult in life.
(45:15):
Like other people, you're going to encounter people that are negative,
You're going to encounter issues with people. It's just an
everyday occurrence.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
We share the connection of having studied and been ordained
through a common interfaith heritage. And when I was attending
the New Seminary back in nineteen ninety five, one of
the things that we were taught was that there is
an iteration of the Golden Rule in virtually every faith
and belief system. How would it change the world if
this recognition was embraced by everybody.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
We'd have world peace. Well ever, even have world peace,
because everybody would recognize if they awakened, If everybody was
awakened to their true self, which is their spirit form,
which is just love, you for a happiness, bliss, consciousness
and peace and a divine being. We are a divine being,
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spiritual beings having a human experience. So you know, it's
just that a lot some people just don't know that
they can awaken to that. And if we all were
awakened to that, we'd have world peace.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Right, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
We'd be loving one another, helping one another instead of
dividing one another, which has been going on in the
last five years. I mean, the last five years have
been so difficult. You know, I'm counseling people, counseling families
that they're choosing politics over love, like what happened, What happened,
you know, So people need to wake up to whatever,
(46:44):
you know, to that state of love who they really are,
and that would change everything. But I don't know if
it's going to happen in my lifetime or your lifetime, victor.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
What have been some of your experiences as an interfaith
minister and spiritual counselor Oh.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
It's just been I chose that because I'd had them
their death experience when I found out we were all
there was no religion on the other side per se.
You know, there's ascended masters, there's you know, people with
a higher vibration that have that come here. I was
even told that I came here to be a helper,
(47:20):
you know, and probably who knows how many lifetimes too.
So that being said, I chose I wanted to help everybody.
I didn't want to help just Christians the way I
was brought up. And what happened was, I've just had
amazing things happened to me, and it's all orchestrated by God.
I'm on a mission for God. That's what my mission is.
(47:43):
And I out of the blue, I'll give you an example.
Out of the blue, somebody calls me and they didn't
know I was a reverend, and they just somebody called
the business and to order a lymphatic massage. And I
went to the house because I do a lot of
house calls, and I was taking my massage table out
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of my truck and the guy comes out and he says,
do you don't need your massage table? You don't need
your massage tab. I'll explain when you come in. This
was one of the divine, big, divine moments of my life.
And I walked in and he says to me, he's
the brother of the person he wants to get the
lymphatic massage he says, I have to tell you, my
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thirty four year old sister is on her deathbed, in
a hospital bed in her bedroom. And I know immediately
because I get these waves that come over me from
the other side, from Heaven that tell me that this
is a divine moment in my life. I'm supposed to
be there. So what are the chances? Now, these people
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are Muslims. They're talking about they're saying the word Allah
as the name for God. And I thanked God for
studying all of the religions so that at that moment
in time, I knew what they were talking about when
(49:09):
they said Allah. These people were very religious. The family
was so close. They were just such a wonderful, loving family.
And I went in there and did my thing, and
somebody asked the dying girl asked me, now, asked me
(49:29):
in front of the dying girl about my near death experience,
because somehow it had come up. Maybe I told one
of them, I don't remember, So she asked me, and
the dying girl was out of it, and all of
a sudden she opened her eyes listened to my experience
and how it felt. I think the girl had said,
you know, how did it feel? To leave your body,
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and I explained how wonderful it was, and the dying
girl had a look on her face like she was
so relieved that now she was ready to leave her body.
So now I'm getting premonitions because I'm not doing only massage.
I'm doing healing on people. That is the other thing
(50:11):
I do. So because I came back with healing abilities
and channeling abilities, I channeled the divine. So as I
was doing healing on her at the top of her head,
I kept hearing from the divine. You know, I normally
give people hope, and the divine knows that God knows
that about me, and I kept hearing very emphatically, do
(50:34):
not give the family hope. This, in other words, this
was her time, and there was no There wasn't going
to be a miracle. The miracle was going to be
that she was going to die and she was going
to be in her spirit form and she was going home.
That was the miracle. And the brother kept talking to
me and saying, lista, Marie, I know you believe in miracles.
I know, I know you know we could heal her
with some natural remedy that you have and you know,
(50:56):
and I just I was being held back from talking.
I couldn't even say the words to give hope. Spirit, God,
the divine was even holding my words back. I mean,
this was really profound. And then all of a sudden,
you know, the doctors had said to them that she
had months to live. So I took them aside. I
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took the brother and the mother of the dying girl
who was dying of cancer, and I took them aside,
and I just started channeling information. And I said to
the brother, I cannot give you hope. And I know
I would, but I can't give you hope because I'm
(51:39):
hearing and I'm feeling that she does not have months
to live. That a week a week felt like a
long time to me, and I knew that she was
going to die within and I had been there for
several days. They had called me back, and so I
was there for several times, and this was I was
talking to this time station was happening the last day
(52:01):
I was there, and I knew. I had this knowing.
I call it the knowing that a week felt like
a long time. She was given several months to live,
and I knew, and I told them the family that
within two or three days of when I was going
to be leaving that day. It was going to be
(52:21):
her time, and it happened. I told the family that
the divine there was divine beings in the room that
I could feel and sense and see. I wanted them
to know that. And then she died two days after
I left. But I told the family, which it was
(52:45):
just a knowing, that you need to go in there,
and it was very important for them. She was holding
on for them, you know. She was telling the people
sitting next to her, Oh, you know, go to get
a drink of water. You'll feel better. You'll I'll make
you feel better. This girl is dying. And this is
what tells you how evolved her soul was that she
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was caring more about other people than her own suffering.
She was dying, She was in the active stage of dying.
So I said to them, you need to go tell
her that it's okay to leave now. She needs to
be out of her suffering. She needs to be out
of her suffering. I explained to them how much she
was suffering and in the pain she was in, and
(53:28):
I recalled my own suffering and why it was so
important for me to go through my own suffering to
understand what the dying was going through. What you know,
It was just everything happens at a timing. Everything is
in God's timing, and life has a timing. And I
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know I was brought at that timing versus years before,
you know, so I had the experience of suffering the
deep compassion that I have now. It was just the
timing was perfect, and you know, I said to them,
you need to go in, and they must have done
that after I left, and then she was able to
(54:12):
leave her body and a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
Later, everything unfolding in divine order. My guest Reverend Lisa
Marie Bonsek. She's contributed to the book The Ways to God,
a spiritual mosaic discovering God through many perspectives. Reverend Lisa Marie,
please share with the listeners one more time where they
can get a copy of that book and also find
out more about you and your website.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
The book is The Ways to God is being published
June twenty eighth. In a couple of weeks twenty twenty five.
You can now pre order the kindle version of the book,
and I believe on the twenty eighth you'll be able
to pre order the books. It's going to be in
hardcover and a softcover book and Kindle, and then in
(54:58):
a few months or a couple of months are going
to be doing an audible version of the book, which
is going to be great. So each author is going
to be able to speak their chapter and the chapter.
And in my chapter, I talk about my NDEs, two
of them on that Easter weekend and talk. I have
a section where I talk about how to raise your consciousness,
(55:19):
how to connect with source God. I talk about my
spiritually ex transformative experiences that happened throughout my whole life,
and in the end I talk about how we can
manage and get through this life, this earth life, existence
and a human body. My website is perfect Healthandbalance dot com.
(55:43):
You will find everything there and anybody can contact me
through Facebook Messenger. I'm under Reverend. I think it's just
our e V Lisa Marie Bonsek, b O n C
e K and they can contact me through there or
through my website. I'm happy to talk to end anybody,
and I do remote healings.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Reverend Lisa Frie, thank you so much for joining us
and sharing this amazing experience and the gifts that it
gave you.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
It's my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
Thank you for having me, and thank you for joining
us on Vox Novus. I'm Victor the Voice Verman. Have
a wonderful week.
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