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This week on the Flagship, I was joined by Jason
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of the Pro Wrestling Torchweekly newsletter and Pwtorch dot Com.
And this is the Tuesday edition of the PW Torch
livecast on September one, two thy fifteen. Thanks for joining
me today. We are here to talk with Jason Powell
from Pro Wrestling dot Net about all the happenings on
Monday Night Raw last night, and anything else that is

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on your mind. It was a big follow up to
the Sting angle last night with Seth Rawlins, and the
show kind of centered around that. The March Tonight A
Champions was mostly about what's going on with Sting and
Seth Rowlins until the curveball at the end. Some of

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us talked about that. You know, some fan saw that
coming with both belts on the line and the authorready
saying all belts would be defended. You know, what does
that mean for the US title or would both belts
be defended at once against Sting. We got our answer
to that. The big story coming out of the show.
Poor Seth Rowlins now has to defend his title twice
in one night. That is a traditional move that has

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done to babyfaces to put them in extra jeopardy. In
this case, you kind of a unique situation where Seth Rawlins,
as a heel, is in a somewhat sympathetic position of
having to wrestle twice in one night, and now match
order is tantamount. I assume Sting versus Seth will be
the final match. Does that put Sting in a position
to be able to take advantage of a vulnerable seth

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rollins and win that title that has, as they called it,
or as they described it, eluded Sting as whole career.
Will he become WWB champion? Will that be on his
resume or as Jim Ross talked to me about last
week here on the live cast, is that not likely
and also not really something that Sting would probably care
all that much about. We're going to talk about his
promo last night, a big showcase promo for Sting. How

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did he do in that situation? And what did you
think of the angle at the very end. And of course,
another big talking point I assume on our phone calls
is going to be Lana and Russev and Elfhigler and
Summer Ray and the whole angle that they did with
the shower incident. So I am curious to see what
people thought about that. Also, I do want to first

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make note of a sponsor of the program, and that
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bring our co host into the program, Jason Powell from
Pro Wrestling dot Net. Jason, welcome back to the live
cast Hey Wade, good to be here, excellent thumbs up
thumbs down on Sting's promo last night.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
I give his delivery a slight thumbs up. I give
the context of the promo a thumbs down.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
I'm almost reversed, but I'm not. I don't think we're
that far apart. I kind of thought that delivery was
a flight thumbs down because I just didn't believe he
meant anything he said. But the content was maybe somes up,
but really it's just it's it's par for the course
of Sting. You know, Jason, You've been watching his career
from the very start, as have I. Promos have never
been a strong suit. It's his achilles heel as a
top draw. We talked in the lead up to WrestleMania,

(05:26):
this is not someone who should be doing long promos
because he exposes himself when he does that. I think
this could have been worse easily, but I was hoping
it would be better, and it was sort of like, yeah,
I mean, it's Sting, and I didn't sense either. And
I know it was a tough crowd, but I didn't
sense even when he came out that there was this
huge adrenaline rush among the WWE ticket buying fans in

(05:47):
Tampa that they were seeing something special when Sting walked out.
I just I'm not quite sure if Sting is the
star that a certain segment of the fan base who
lived through him in the Monday Night Wars in the
Monday Night War thinks of him as I don't.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Think you're doing him any favors. Okay, first, you start
with the music, and it's not as good as w
c w's version, which is just crazy. All those years
we spent wondering what would it be like if Sting
went to ww we imagine that just as the pageantry
there would be. And it's not that it's like this quirky,
kooky Adams Family type song once it kicks in, like

(06:21):
the drums the beginning are okay, but they're not. It
just doesn't strike me. There's nothing catchy about it. And
then the actual promo, the context of it, the thing
that got me. He's out there trying to give Triple
H credit for taking him to the limit in a
match where six people interfered and he was hit over
the head with the sledgehammer, and he will always respect

(06:44):
Triple H for it. I'm sorry, that was awful. I
just didn't get into that promo either.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
I'll give a thumbs down to the content too. You
talked me into it, You're right, and I was critical
of that aspect of it too. There really was a disconnect,
and that is probably the worst of it. But there
were other things too where there was a disconnect between
what actually happened and what Sting said, and there was
actually I don't know if it was just syntax, because
Sting just he just doesn't seem to his words don't

(07:11):
connect to his brain sometimes when he talks about things
in a believable way, and it made absolutely no sense.
You know, whatever happened to that match, I got a
respectable h for shaking my hand afterwards. It's like he
beat you. You're the one who should be you know,
Triple Ah should be going. You know, despite what happened
in that match, I give Sting credit for shaking my
hand afterwards, because Sting almost talked like he'd beat Triple H.

(07:32):
But Triple Ah was man enough to shake his hand. Yeah,
you're right. That whole thing was. What the content of it,
a good portion of it was, was a pretty big mess.
And I didn't believe that Sting cares all that deeply
about winning the WWE title. I didn't. I didn't. That
didn't come across either Jason, and I think that was
the main point of the promo.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
It was strange to hear them kind of, you know,
have him go out there and acknowledge winning tight world
titles all over the world, but the one he hasn't
won in WWE. Wwe'st title has always been the one.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Now.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Granted they've had they've split it off and had the
World Heavyweight Championship as well, but it's not like them
to do it, and so it just kind of it
kind of caught me off guard a little bit hearing
him talk about winning all these world championships. The handshake
thing threw me off at WrestleMania when it happened. I
don't know why you would shake the hand of a
man who hits you over there with a sledgehammer. Made

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it all sorts of outside interference to win. And for
them to just carry that over now and make it
seem like Triple h is this good guy. I don't
get it. And even if they're trying to sable Triple
the Sting is playing mind games. It didn't sound like
he was a guy trying to stir the pod. Maybe
to some extent, but he sounded like a guy who
was kissing the butt of Triple H.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
I agree. I agree with that too, And I almost
thought they were trying to turn Triple H babyface the
way sting Pezok's reverence to him. Now, you can argue,
if you're trying to defend it that well, that was
a setup for Seth to start planning seeds for an
eventual Seth Triple H match, because Seth started saying, wait
a second, and I'm the man now, not Triple H.

(09:02):
All these wins that the authority helped them get have
gone to his head. He's not appreciating what the authority
have done for him. And now we're supposed to sympathize
with the authority because the lead heel champion doesn't appreciate
that they cheated to help him get to where he was,
which is an awkward place to be, Jason, Should we
really be sympathetic for Triple H that Seth doesn't appreciate

(09:23):
all the cheating that Triple H did to cost sess
opponents victories.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
No, especially when you know if you were going to
compare the two. Isn't that how Triple H's heel character
got by was Members of Evolution, remember when he was
with the McMahon family. I mean, it's kind of the
same thing. So no, it's silly. The only thing sillier
to me is just the overall idea. If they are
setting up a match between the two, whether it's for
next month or Survivor series, why now, I know they

(09:50):
think it's going to be this huge match if they
could go in that direction. He has two matches to
sell right now, and you're bypassing those for a match
with Triple H.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
I know. Yep, so a kind of a real mess.
We're gonna talk to Collers more. I want to get
their thoughts on it too. I'm actually really curious to
hear what Colers had to say about Sting in particular
and the SETH promo and Johnson at the end. Real
quick before we go into that, though, Jason, the other
storyline the show will be remembered for is Adolph Zigler.
Summer Ray and Lana, what did you think about this?

(10:22):
Not a fan?

Speaker 4 (10:23):
I hate to be so negative to start off the show,
but it's I thought Lana looked ridiculous. She's okay, she
has a woman who had latched onto her ex boyfriend
and started dressing like her, and now she's going to
take her word for it. And even if, like if DOLFH.

(10:44):
Szeggler's version of the events are true, that makes him
the victim here. And so it's like, you know, going
back in the old days where the weird husband would
be would like blame the wife when an assault took place.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
It crazy. It doesn't make any fancily, No, it doesn't.
And it actually was quite just the way the acting
was challenging the actor's ability. When when Summer Ray ran
out of the room and then they show Dolph Ziggler
like opening up the towel and looking down at what's
hiding behind the towel. I didn't know what he was

(11:18):
he was supposed to be embarrassed or because there was
you know, he took a cold shower and there was shrinkage,
or if he was just kind of checking to see
did I impress her like I had? I didn't know
what the body language was supposed to be because it
was so awkward for everybody, even preating that it was weird.
When Renee Young when Dolph said, you know, a little

(11:38):
interaction with Wana, and it looked like, hey, they're gonna
get it on later, and Dolph's like, I need to go,
I need to go shower, and I got some things
I got to get to tonight. And then Renee's response
was I look forward as a reporter to follow me
up on how that goes, and I'm thinking you're going
to their hotel room later to report on how X goes.
Like none of this really play, none of this really

(11:58):
fell into place. I think the way that I hope
they envisioned, I mean, I hope they had a vision
for this making more sense, but maybe they didn't. I
thought it was pretty embarrassingly bad, especially because in the
end Lana with video evidence that Dolf did not invite
some e ray in the room, because that was in
the background when after Renee was, you know, doing that interview,

(12:21):
we could see some ray sneak into the room and
look all all sheepish about doing it. I didn't see
Dolph invite her in. It was pretty clear Dolf did
not invite her in. So all Dolf had to say is, hey,
four million people saw that I'm telling the truth Lana,
instead of being really upset, Why don't you actually go look?
And then if Lana's still upset at Dolph, even if
his side of the story is true because Lana saw

(12:42):
him naked, well get over it. That's not Dolf's fault.
You can't blame him for that unless Anna's going heel again.
So what is the end game here, Jason? What are
they trying to do with this? What did they want
us to feel coming out of this?

Speaker 4 (12:55):
I have no idea. I'm hoping the endgame is Lana
ends up back in her suit and by Rusev's side,
even if it's completely illogical. I will take that because
this is going nowhere and they're just dragging it out.
You could tell last night they had that match and
it's like people are you know, they were into watching
a wrestling match. They're not hooked on this storyline. And

(13:18):
the Russev is just he's so much better as the
money guy. I guess the thing I took away from
this more than anything is that you know Lana and
Dolph not only like dress like eighties trash, but they
are eighties trash because they're taking their relationship problems to
a Mari Povic like Miss TV.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, nope, Yep, You're right. I'm not a fan of
this at all. And I if the end game is
I want to go seel and ends up with RUCEV,
that's fine. I guess I'm not looking forward to them
figuring this out, honestly. I just I just kind of
want them to get past whatever it is they're doing
and and move on to something else, because yeah, I

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thought this was pretty bad start to finish. Jason, let's
let's start before we go to phone calls. Have you
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than normal in the show.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Sure, absolutely another crazy day in pro wrestling. Of course,
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Speaker 5 (17:17):
Hey, this is e Xavier from Valleo.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Hey, e Favor, thanks for calling. UH. What have you
got for us today?

Speaker 5 (17:24):
I just I just wanted to ask two quick questions
and then cut out.

Speaker 6 (17:28):
UH.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
First one is UH is something kind of unrelated to
the WW Uh I was going back. I was going
through back when I first started watching in two thousand
and six, two thousand and seven, I was watching some
old TNA, and I realized that Kurt Angle has been
with TNA since around two thousand and six, and it
kind of surprised me because I never really think of

(17:51):
Kurt Angle as a TNA guy. So I was actually wondering,
how do you how do you guys see Kurt Angle's career?
Do you think of him as a TNA guy or
WWE guy? How do you guys see that? And my
second one is to touch on that question.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
First, Jason, I I kind of see him as both.
I mean, I think there's a reason you can Savior
was asking that question because he is kind of a
little bit of both. I think he was his peak
gears were in WWE, but he's had some standout matches
since his injury and some painfell issues and the drunk driving,
the intoxicated driving arrests, and all our impaired driving arrests.

(18:26):
I mean, he's had a lot of stuff going on
since WWE kind of for their own for his own safety,
decided they didn't want to continue to hire him and
pay him to put himself at risk. In a way,
he's I wouldn't say he's proven them wrong, but he
certainly lasted long and longer than most people thought he would.
But I think he'll seem he'll seem like a guy
with two major chapters of his career, both of significance.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment. You know, If
I have to choose, well, because he's looks like he's
going to finish his run in TNA, I guess I
wouldn't lean TNA. He's been there long. But I mean
when I think of kurd Angle, I think more fondly
of the w w EE days, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yep. All right, GiB Er, what's your fellow up? All right?

Speaker 5 (19:10):
And I remember my second question, uh, in your in
your Jim Ross's interview. I remember you two were talking
about Rona Rowsey being involved in WrestleMania, and you two
were talking about how you'd rather have it be Rona
Rousey versus someone else instead of it being a mixed
tag or whatever, and you you were mentioning having Stephanie
manage somebody. I was wondering if, when you meant that,

(19:34):
would you have it be someone like Dana Brook come up,
look good and then just get completely squashed by Rowsey,
or maybe have somebody you know, maybe maybe not Dana Brook,
but like Sasha Banks, come up look incredibly dominant, have
them kind of bill her as the best professional women's
wrestler in the world, and then have Ronda Rousey be
the best, you know, women's martial artist in the world,

(19:56):
and maybe have it be a somewhat competitive match between
the two. How what what did you mean by Rowsey's revolved?

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Well, Jim Ross actually endorsed Stephanie McMahon as Rowsey's opponent,
and there's a case to be made for that and
this case, and I'm not saying that's where my vote's going,
but the case is, you can't win by having an
actual competitive WrestleMania worthy opponent of Rowsey. How do you
win by having that person lose to Ronda in one minute?
Because nobody's gonna believe Ronda is one going to risk

(20:27):
her health by working along match or two. No one's
gonna believe a pro wrestler can hold their own more
than her actual opponents have in mma. So how do
you tell that story in a believable way without just
squashing whoever you deem worthy enough to be her opponent
at WrestleMania and they come away hurt? So instead it's
Stephanie who's antagonizing Ronda and kind of in a campy
way just saying I'm not scared of her. I think

(20:49):
I can. You know, however, she sold the match. Then
Ronna just beat Stephanie really really quickly, and it's just,
you know what, kind of a cameo, gimmicky thing. So
if you Stephanie is Ronda's opponent, which is what Jim
Ross actually endorsed, you're not sacrificing a woman wrestler. That said,
Dana Brook could come in and lose to Ronda, but

(21:10):
maybe there would be a way to turn her into
a bigger star as a result, because in a way,
there's no shame in losing to Ronda because Ronda is
so dominant and such a big star. Jason, you your
thoughts on this dilemma of how to utilize Ronda. The
mixed tag is kind of the way to avoid all
the problems. You have Ronda Rock against Stephanie and Hunter,
and Ronna just comes in to beat Stephanie at the end,

(21:31):
but mostly it's Rock and Hunter.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
I think mixed tag is probably the direction they would go.
I would I would actually okay, if she could actually
put in some time, like Floyd Mayweather did. I'd rather
see it be someone that can get something out of
it long term, and I like Sasha Banks for that
role because she can also I think carry her to
a good match. I think Charlotte is a bit riskier

(21:57):
because she is green, but I think there would certainly
be more money. I think in Stephanie and Ronda, you know,
just marquee wise. People wanting to see Stephanie get hers
and so whether it's singles or mixed, I think that
it does make sense from when you're just looking at
it from pre box office standpoint.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, I'm I not sold one hundred percent on any
one scenario, but yeah, the mixtag seems the most viable.
So that Ronda is involved in something that lasts a
little longer, I could see Stephanie just wanting to establish
She might think I'm the brand ambassador, I'm the heir
apparent to being the face of this company when Vince McMahon,

(22:40):
Vincent k mcmon's no longer running the ship and in
a way that transitions already happened with Hunter and steph
and she might just be thinking, it's really important for
me to get my name and face out there because
unlike you know, Sasha Banks and Dana Brook or whomever
I'm going to be around, you know, I'm going to
be here, so let's raise my profile so I can
be seen as the new queen of the wrestling, the

(23:01):
sports entertainment pro wrestling industry. She might talk herself into
it and genuinely believe that's the right approach to take,
because you know, in fifteen years she'll still be benefiting
from the high profile interaction with Ronda. I don't know.
I think it's a tough it's a tough situation overall
to make work because I just don't know that Randa
working any kind of a full fledged match is going

(23:21):
to be the least bit believable for anybody unless they
create a stipulation where Ronda isn't allowed to throw punches
or use submission moves, like it has to be a
wrestling exhibition, you know, and you kind of just use
her in a way where you take away her top
tools and then fans are like, oh, I see, so
it's going to be you know, catches catch can wrestling

(23:45):
match with a points system, but it's not going to
be about punches or submissions and I mean, I would
won't even rule something kind of you know, a little
bit corny, but you know, parameters that make it more believable.
I wouldn't even rule that out because I think ultimately
what WWE would like is just Ronda Ralsey on the
lineup to help sell tickets. All right, I thank you
Xavier for the phone call. Oh don't forget, by the way,

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Speaker 7 (24:20):
Hey guys, GJ for Miami.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Hey JJ, what have you got for Jason? To me?

Speaker 7 (24:24):
I got two quick things. My first thing is a
distinct thing. I see that you know, he was talking
Triple Chap so much. I don't know. I feel like
maybe it's gonna be a switch and maybe he might
turn heel and joined our forty And like Garb, you
know that Seth Rowlins might become Babyface and fight Triple H.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Jason, is there a way that you could see that
happening where it's actually Seth? It goes Babyface first and
Triple H goes heel.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
I can reach for it. Sting's always wanted dead match
with Undertaker. Undertaker hasn't given him Triple Ah degrees to
give it to him. That's like the only scenario I
can come up with it. It doesn't really make sense.
Sting is very much a part time guy. I don't
know what reason they would have for turning him heal,
even when in a scenario would take or because I wait,

(25:20):
I just see that as a babyface versus baby Face
type match and you let the fans choose.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
M hmm, yeah, I think it's I think it is
the whole thing with Seth is even looking at SummerSlam,
and I was actually talking earlier today with Steve Boston
at length as we're reviewing for his show the last
four matches at SummerSlam, and that show, by the way,
we dropped Thursday our in depth discussion on the first
half of Summer Slam and some other topics dropped today

(25:45):
today's show. By the ways, on the Steve Boston Show,
the Family Friendly Edition the Thursday show is the Unleashed version,
and that is the second half of Summer Slam. So
a doubleheader of me and Steve analyzing SummerSlam, and we're
kind of talking about Seth and how he might make
this great, great babyface. And I think that might have
even something we talked about off the or not on

(26:06):
the show, where Steve just thinks Seth has a chance
to be the next lead babyface in the company. I
think everything you do has to kind of go through
a filter of does this help Seth more than you
worry about Stinger Hunter, you know, or or John Cena
for that matter, when it comes to what Seth does.
Seth might be a guy with his age and the

(26:26):
credibility's building up with the fans and how versatile he
is on the mic end in the ring. He's a
guy wherehymes every step of the way. I'm thinking about,
you know, what makes sense for today, But also let's
make sure that Seth, who's going to be around for
a long time, is being treated well. And that's where
I think there's a lot of directions that they can
go with Seth. At Night of Champions, it seems like
they're putting him in a position to seem somewhat sympathetic
having to wrestle twice yet and then yet there's times

(26:49):
Jason not to get two off here, But when Seth
is talking about Triple H, it seems like they're turning
Triple H babyface until Stephanie comes out and defends her husband,
in which case you kind of don't like triplemore. Again,
I wasn't quite sure what emotions I was supposed to
feel as a viewer when watching that.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
I think we're supposed to feel like he's getting too
big for his britches. I think it's just in their minds.
Triple H is the almighty, and so of course when
even Stephanie defends him, it's logical because he's He's the best.
And yeah, it is confusing. I definitely agree that Seth
Rollins had, especially now that he's shown this amazing ability

(27:26):
to cut promos that he didn't have when he got
to WWE big time baby face potential. You can hear
a little bit of he's got he sounds if you
close your ezers, a little bit of CM Punk in
his promo style. Even he's not going to be the
outspoken type that Punk was, you know. I mean, they
can manufacture that to some extent. That's always dangerous to
play around with. But when the time comes for him

(27:48):
to flip. Yes, I also think he can be a
big babyface force in WWE D anything else for us.

Speaker 7 (27:55):
Yeah, I got one more quick thing. Now that the
Wyatts are three men strong again, do you think that
am Rose and Roman will have number three come out
so they can boost them up because they are a
big card and they're just limbowing right now.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Jason, probably at some point there, you know, I don't
know that it's going to be a full on Shield
type thing. Maybe, you know, Sting was rumored as a
partner one time. Maybe when he's done with this, if
they want to keep him around for something at Survivor
series for instance, they could do that. I mean, you can.
It doesn't have to be just the next Shield member.
It could be Eric Rowan coming back whenever he's healthy

(28:34):
and let's say he's not welcome in the Wied family
or you know, something like they introduce him as a
mystery partner. And I don't like that very much because
I think they already have a couple of guys in
there who struggle in the ring, and I don't think
Rowan adds to that. I don't think he adds to
the quality of the match, but they'll probably do some
sort of six man wait. It just seems logical when

(28:55):
you have a three A trio in the Wyatt family.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
It does. Yeah, I mean, if the White family ends
up with four members, maybe there's three man teams and
then some singles matches too. I did like don Ra
last night how dominant Braun was. I like that. You know,
Roman Reigns is not not untouchable, but somebody they really
protected made look strong, and I think it means more
now that he's selling big time for Braun and Dean

(29:20):
Ambrose maybe sold almost too much, but I guess in
the end they'll tell the story. You know, sort of
like when a pitcher gets to the majors and strikes
out everybody the first time around, and then he gets scouted,
people know what his tricks are, and then they start
getting hits on him. You know. With Braun, it's sort
of like they don't know what to expect from this
new guy, but they're gonna get They're gonna have to
huddle up and study tape and figure out what can
we do and develop a strategy. And I think that's

(29:41):
what they're hoping the fancy here. But I like the
idea of bringing somebody in who's unknown to the vast
fast fast, fast, fast fast majority except Forence people who
saw some dark matches and really sell that this is
a strong, dominant heel. Jason, what do you think I do?

Speaker 4 (29:56):
I think it has to be short term. I don't
have high hopes for this guy long term. I think
he's looked green in what he's doing, and there's just
something about his look that doesn't screen money to me.
I don't know how much you can really do to
change that either, and so but I'm all for, Hey,
bring him in, make him look like this conqueror, and
then that way. I assume it's Roman Reigns who probably

(30:19):
ends up taking him down, but at least you're giving
him a big mountain to climb.

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Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, no, that's true. And I think that's the thing
is you want to when you win, you want to
beat somebody impressive, and you're not beating anybody impressive if
you don't make them look like a million bucks before
you beat them. And being a Roman, it made him
look like a million bucks. But they did, and I
thought this was smart booking. Last night, Romans started showing
some signs of life. He took the beating and it
was about to make a comeback, and that is when

(31:30):
Luke Carper came in and cut him off. So you
gave that fans that sense of maybe some hope that
Roman took Braun the best Bron had and was about
to make a comeback. And it was only when the
sides got, you know, when Bron had some help, that
he cut off Roman's comeback. So they teased a little
bit that there was some chance there that Roman might
hold his own. But you know, within the mix, you

(31:52):
don't want to just have everything be Kevin Owens against
his arrow. You know, you need to have you know,
kind of two good athletes going ahead to having good matches.
I liked the diversity wrestling of having different opponents in
different different style, opponents against each other telling different stories.
Speaking of which we just got an email. Joseph C.
Says he wants to take put his two cents in
on the Russev Lana sum Array dynamic. He goes, this

(32:15):
is a fantastic storyline. It is showing how dynamic Russo
is with how he handles himself in the ring. Okay,
I agree that Ziglar Russop had good chemistry in the
ring and told some good stories. He doesn't need to
always be a massive, crushing character. The angle is appealing
to all different kinds of demographics. People can relate to
this as it mimics real life getting dumped then seeing

(32:37):
somewhat of someone else, so you find someone to rub
it in their face. Ziggler is a great face to
Russev's heel. Ziggler is a great seller and feeds into Rusev. Yes,
Ziggler is still believable that he can topple Russev. So
Lana gets more character development by not just being a
one note character. Summar Ray gets more TV time and
plays a great witchy character. Ziggler plays himself, and Russev

(32:58):
is going through the weirdo ex boyfriend stage by dressing
up his new girlfriend as his own girlfriend. I'd like
to thank the WWE writer who came up with this
idea for emailing us during the show to defend it. Jason,
what do you think of his defense?

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Okay, real life are we talking like? I wish the
emailer would have listed his age because that sounds like
high school crap to me.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Who goes Yeah, who's going through that in real life
when they're a grown adult Where I'm not saying, like,
you know, people don't break up in that sort of thing,
but this is campy. This is just this is wacky
WWE stuff, and I think people, the people who are
going to like it are going to be the type
that enjoying the wrestle crap sort of stuff. And I'm
not saying there's not some humor in this from time

(33:43):
to time, as much as I still feel there's more
money in Russeph if you push him as a dominant guy,
it doesn't mean there haven't been some laughs along the way.
But I just disagree with what they're I think they're
wasting him. I think Dolph is just kind of in
the same place she always is. And Wana, I think
they really wanted to make her a star, and I

(34:05):
don't see that happening. I think they're going about it
completely wrong. And I really wonder what the is this
the beginning of the end of her babyface run?

Speaker 3 (34:14):
And That's what I'm thinking. I think it's the end
of her baby face run because I think she came
off so bad here, so unforgiving, so unreasonable, and I'm
all for that because and I don't I just don't
buy the chemistry of Ziggler and Lana, not for a second.
It feels it's like, you know, it's like Tom Cruise
with the latest you know woman that he's dating and
then marrying. Everyone's looking at it goinga is this arranged?

(34:36):
Is this pr is that? Yes? Does anybody gaze into
each other's eyes like Tom Cruise does? It's like, you know,
there's that skepticism and naturally so, and that's what this
feels like. I'm you know, I'm sure Ziggiler has has
a type and maybe it's even Lana, but Ziggler in
real life knows that she's taken, she's with Russev, So
it just makes the whole thing awkward. Wrestling fans know that,

(34:58):
and they just look for that lack chemistry, and I
just don't like it. By the way, Irish Pete responded
to that email, we are going from phone calls to
emails to Twitter, Jason. We are. If I was WWE,
I'd be bragging about our social media diversity on today's show,
which Iris Pete says, that's the worst email I've ever heard.

(35:19):
Ruth says Ziggler is the worst. So so we got
some feedback there on that. And John Jake Johns I
think is listening to us, and he said on Twitter
two minutes ago, Triplets and Stephanie are destroying WWE. I
doubt Vince actually does much anymore. Seems more like a
figure ed maybe just Stephanie Paul heads NXT and NXT

(35:39):
doesn't suck. Jason just addressing that because it's worth addressing.
How involved is Vince McMann still incredibly I mean, yeah,
he's obsessive, you know, I mean he's there for everything. Yeah,
this is the WWE product, is Vincic Man and Triple H.
As I've been told We'll go in for a meeting
with Vince all worked up, ready to make his case.

(36:03):
He's got people on his side going, if you tell
Vince this, he's going to be reasonably, He's going to listen.
Goes to that meeting, and you know, eight to eighteen
minutes later, Hunter walks out looking like he was just
in a six hour interrogation by you know, aggressive attorneys,
just like defeated, crushed, exhausted. And so, I mean, I'm
not saying Triple AH doesn't get some of his ideas across.

(36:23):
And Vince friably listens to Triple H more than anybody,
but this is still Vince's ship, and he's running it
on gut instincts, and you know, I mean there's times
he comes through, you know, and there's times he doesn't.
And this storyline was probably pitched by one of the
writers and Vince said, Okay, let's see how it goes.
Sounds like it's something I might like, And I won't

(36:46):
be surprised if he watched it and didn't like it
because it came across so bad. But maybe he watched
it and did like it because he kind of likes
to have that salacious soap opera storyline weaved into a show.
I'd actually be I wish we could just you know,
I wish I could just text him and say, right now,
because we've done phone calls, emails and Twitter, I want
to text Vincent Man and go, did you like the
russev or I'm sorry a lot of summarrays zigular segment

(37:08):
and I want you text me right back and go,
you know, thumbs up, her thumbs down, because I would
like to know if he thought that came across well.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Well, this strikes me as Vince McMahon soap opera modern day,
because if this were done in the Attitude era, you know,
Summer Ray would be crying assault and you can't do
that now, I mean for good reason. And so I
think this is him trying to go back to some
some of this those elements that they did back in
those days, but yet still being PC about it now.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
I wonder if there was a script where there was
a small penis joke that got edited out because I
just kept waiting, I was, I kept waiting for some
Ray she sort of implied she liked, but it wasn't.
It just didn't quite go down a road that I
was fearful it was going to with some of that
just kind of joking Jason.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Think, yep, now I hear you. Oh good, you cut
out for a second there, so I missed it.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
If you fed to me, Okay, I did. Yeah. I
was waiting for this to go down the road of
say a small penis joke, like oh, you know in
Dolf going oh but I was a cold shower, they're
out of hot water, and like turned into haha, and
I guess it a way. I'm sort of glad they
didn't do that, but it was hard to not think
that this was just going to turn into some sort

(38:22):
of hai angle. But at least it would have lighten
the mood on something that was so kind of cheesy
in this execution. But anyway, let's let's see what other
callers have to say if oh go ahead.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Jason, Yeah, Well, I was just gonna say again, I
think it would have if this were a different time,
But instead they had to show that Summer loved it.
You know, she was a willing participant in this, because
again twenty years ago, I really think even though she
would have been revealed that she was a willing participant,
they would have trying to be that they'd be playing
this storyline would be that maybe Dolph assaulted her somehow,

(38:53):
some way, but they're not going to do that now,
and so it makes sense looking at it from that
perspective that she has to love it's to be oh
my god, it was so great and it's a safer
way of doing it. But unfortunately for Prevence, it excludes
the penis joke.

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and let's go next to Ericode three one seven on
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Thanks for holding. Please state your name and where you're
calling from.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Chef Jack London from indianapp.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Hey Jack, what have you got for Jason?

Speaker 9 (40:58):
To me?

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Hey myself, I want to say, hey, how you doing
the Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Congratulations on that, Thank you Jack, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
I want to shift gears a little bit and and
ask a question that I've been wondering about four minute
and I asked both questions. One is about the appeal
of the whole Rock versus Rock storyline. I remember and
I think two thousand and two in Summer Swam when
they fought it. It was a pretty good match, but

(41:31):
from time to time people keep bringing it up. And
then you know the teaser with Rock Leslar looked at
the poster and and you know, like he wanted to
fight him again, and they keep bringing it up. So
I'm not sure why why, you know, people want that
match again. And also I'm wondering why the WWE downplays

(41:52):
the Undertaker's gimmick from from when he did the American
Badass thing and what I'm looking at. One example is
like when he did WrestleMania twenty seven and twenty eight,
when he fought Triple H both times, neither time did
they pay attention to the fact that he fought Triple

(42:13):
H also a WrestleMania seventeen and most recently, when he
was going through with rock Lesner, they didn't go through
with the fact that he fought rock Lesner in a
Hell in the Sale match and when he was doing
the American Badass gimmick and rock Lesner beat him pretty
handily in that match. But it's almost like any match

(42:37):
that he he fought in that time period, they completely
wipe off the record books when they're dealing with the
dead Man, and I'm just wondering why why they act
like it's not the same character.

Speaker 9 (42:50):
You know, why we got two different characters.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yeah, no, that makes sense. I mean we got that question, Jack,
and so it's a fair question. I think there's some
reasonable debate on whether they should do that or Jason,
is it insulting the fans that they don't talk more
about that chapter of Undertaker's career.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
I think they could safely. I wonder if they're not
acknowledging the history with Lesner and take her there, because
it's similar to what they did with Triple H and Taker,
where you kind of ignore certain things to make what's
happening now seem bigger, so rather than go back. So
even if he had been the dead man throughout working
with Brock Lesner, I think it would make sense to

(43:31):
downplay it. You don't have to completely ignore it, but
you know, you like, I think you want people looking
at the next Brock Lesner Undertaker match as Brock Taker three,
even though obviously they've had a lot of history. There's
a lot more history to it than that.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, I think in a way, the more if you
talk about them having wrestled each other, even more it
does diminish the sense that this is a rare match
between these two guys, and Brock and Taker we're at
a different place in their careers at that point. And
I just don't know that it helps add it to
the current feud because Lesnar has since left and gone
to USC and Undertaker has you know, developed the legendary

(44:07):
status in the streets at Rasmania. I just I don't
have a big problem with it, even though normally I
am a fan of acknowledging history. I don't think you
do it to the detriment of drawing money today. As
long as you pick your spots. It does seem like
to have a little bit of an aversion and maybe
it's a Mark Callaway choice too to talk about when
he wasn't the dead Man, because it does kind of

(44:28):
fly in the face of the legend of Undertaker that
at one point he was a motorcycle riding regular dude
as opposed to the phenom who can do mystical, magical things.
So it also really I know that we can necessarily
blame WWWE. This could be a situation where they're looking
at where they're looking at Undertaker as where they're just

(44:52):
respecting Undertaker's wishes to not spend a lot of time
dwelling on that era.

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Speaker 3 (45:36):
All right, let's keep rolling tough calls. We got so
many people on hold up next four seven eight and
the nine decade one three four seven eight. Please state
your name and where you're calling from?

Speaker 10 (45:44):
Derail from Georgian.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Hey, Derol, what are you out for us?

Speaker 10 (45:48):
Okay, to go back to the seth Rawlins talk. I know,
for the past too much, everybody's been talking about either
the cash in or the triple A term everybody. We've
been hearing the rumors of people been reaching for it
and stuff like that. But I want to focus on
the future and I want to see where is this

(46:09):
going to head us or how they're gonna get us
to the rawal rumble. And I want to ask you
guys a two part question. The first part is do
they do this thing Rowlin thing for more than one.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Pad of view?

Speaker 10 (46:22):
Is it's just maybe two pay per view type of
thing and it's over? And the second part to it, well,
if nobody really to go against seth Rolins, where do
they go to get us to the Raw Rumble with
the main title the ww world Hepway title, just to
keep us occupied into the Royal Rumble till they can

(46:42):
come up with something else, since they really have nobody
legitimately to go against him, and I know everybody reached
with the cash in, but that don't seem like it's
gonna happen, or the Authority turning on Seth Rollins, which
nobody will really won't because everybody already screaming for the
authority to leave. How can they get us to the

(47:04):
raw Rumble? Or do y'all see any way that can
get us to the Raw Rumble? Keep feeding us something
just to hold us over pay per view by pay
per view, or they're just gonna have to come up
with something new.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Jason, Yeah, I mean getting us to the ruble, I
guess is a new aspect of the question Drell brings up.
But you know, we kind of talked about it. It
doesn't seem like there's just this obvious clear path of
where they go with Seth Ensting and the Authority.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
At this point, there's not I mean, okay, I think
with Seth they could be setting up obviously Triple H
for it's not going to be a Hellna Cell match,
I can't imagine, but those two maybe a Survivor series
or even just a standard match at Helena Cell. I
think it's more likely that you get John Cena and
Seth Rollins at Helena Cell if they want to continue

(47:51):
that program coming out of this Night of Champions than
it is for them to continue moving forward with Sting.
It is that time when we have start looking at all, right,
what feuds look like they're hell want to sell Ready
and Sina and Rowlins given the nose break and Rollins
holding on last time, and now had continuing the program
at Night of Champions. I wouldn't be surprised if that's

(48:12):
where they're going once you get through that Survivor series.
Is maybe that Triple AH match, and then I don't
know about TLC and the Royal Rumble.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
I'm just not sure. Yeah, I mean I haven't been
able to really think past Not A Champions in terms
of in terms of the lineups.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
I neither till just now.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah, I mean it really would be total guessing. I
mean there's I just think it can split off in
so many different directions. I like the unpredictability of it.
But I kind of hope they do something in mind
for for all the major players that that makes sense
and gets us there. But yeah, I would be I Durrell.
Sometimes I think, oh, this is where they're going. I
think it's pretty obvious. It's gonna be fun to watch
the ride. I just don't think that's the case right now.

(48:50):
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(49:14):
a text that I got from him earlier? Jason, did
you get the text from Pat on whose guests are
going to be?

Speaker 4 (49:18):
I believe Alcast, not that I know of, Okay, don't
I don't even know Pat hash my cell phone number?
Oh well, if maybe it was a Facebook message then,
and he said that I believe Alcastle from p WY
is among his h his guests on tomorrow's program. If

(49:39):
my Facebook would load here, I could tell everybody, Yeah,
there we go.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
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(50:04):
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Speaker 11 (50:13):
Hey guys, Jay from Tampa.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Hey Jay, what have you got for us?

Speaker 9 (50:18):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (50:18):
Two quick questions In a comment. My comment was with
the Ruseph Ziggler soap opera. I mean, I it seemed
like they would have taught to stay away from the
old naked mentioning and stuff. The first thing I thought
of when they started mentioning that that's still kind of

(50:40):
not that old is is the whole rawling social media
thing that took place. I even noticed. I don't I
can't confirm one hundred percent that that was the reason.
But I was sitting behind a family last night, looks
like a mother and two daughters that actually left like
during the time they were showing that. I don't know

(51:01):
if that's the reason for what. But she kind of
had this concerned look when she was when he was
talking about the scene, about what took place in the
shower and blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Yeah, try explaining that to the kids who showed up
with John Cena T shirts and you know, posters.

Speaker 12 (51:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (51:18):
My two questions is I don't know if it was
just a one night thing, but I noticed in the
pre show that they had started Us teamed up with
the Ascension. I thought that wouldn't be a bad thing
to do. I mean, when I think of the Ascension,
I could, for at least for me, I think of
something kind of more space like stuff that started Us

(51:39):
talks about looks like he may potentially be but to
help them instead of I know, he kind of talks
some stuff that's somewhat nonsense, but they kind of do too,
so it seemed like it would be an okay, a
little put together. My question was about, is do you
think it's a possibility that they could try and get
the belt on thing just to have maybe a Sting.

(52:02):
Maybe they'll give away the sting Taker at Rumble. Let
Taker get the belt and go to Mania and get
that that match out the way with Sina and let
that be the spipulation. If Sina wins, he get the belt,
he matches the sixteen time. If Taker loses, it's a
retirement match or is that.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Just a yeah, it's Jay good. A lot of interesting
twists could take place in the road. Is there a possibility, Jason,
that Lesnar Undertaker is not rematched at many A thirty
two and we get to see Sena versus Undertaker as
a WrestleMania headline match with as as Jay laid out there,
timeline wise, Undertaker beats Sting at the Rumble for the belt.

(52:45):
Sina wins the Rumble. I mean, that's not a scenario
I had thought of. I don't think it's particularly likely,
But then again, I am not locked in on one
scenario for John Cena or Sting at this point, So
what do you think.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
I don't think that's the way it goes. I do
think there's a possibility that we get Taker and Lesner
and Survivor series though, and that they're working different different
opponents at WrestleMania. But again, just like last week, I
continue to be surprised by the number of people asking
do you think there's a chance if Sting wins?

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Yeah, and it'll be Seth's second match of the night,
So in a way you're protecting.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Maybe because interesting, I've got a thought on that. What
if The idea is because I think there's a way
you can spin this where we want you fresh for
your first match, and we the world title match, and
so take him out and then he can drop the
title to Sena in the final match and you get
the feel good ending to go off the air.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
So you what is the final match and it goes
off the air?

Speaker 4 (53:42):
So it's Stinging rollins early because you logic being that
he's defending the title at a time, the world title
the more important title. When he's crash early in the night,
got yeah, and then you get the feel good ending
of seeing As taking the US title back at the
end of the night.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
And then you don't have to worry about Sting having
to carry a main event on a pay per view too.
It's good as Seth, right, that's you know that might
not be a great way down the show. Yeah, I
mean I think that's legit too, and I think the
US title's been built up enough where that can work.
And I think Seth or the authority can you know,
make their rationale and have you know, triplations, say I
hate doing so much Seth. You go out there and
I want you fresh against him, and and Seth's like, yeah,

(54:19):
that's fine. I want to be freshest when I'm you know,
defending the world title. So yeah, I could see a
scenario where they do that. Any thoughts on the Ascension
and Stardust, Jason, This was one of my top four
pressing issues of the day.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
If we should have a no Superstars question rule, I
mean a little you know, just kind of a side
story there, maybe give Stardust some minions or something like.
I think it would do more for the Ascension than
it would for Stardust. They need something, so why not this?

Speaker 3 (54:48):
All right? Oh, we do have someone on Twitter who said,
I feel bad for that poor email or being bashed
so much. I think it demotivates people to email counter arguments. Jason,
do you feel bad? Do I feel that? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:02):
No, I mean, hey, he likes the angle. I don't
think it's as revolutionary as as the emailer does, but
to each his own. And I mean it's it's subjective.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yeah, I mean people email us, they want our host opinion.
If you want to, there's probably shows out there. You
can email them and they'll just love every email that
get because I so I begin an email and they
want to be nice, and you know, we're Minnesotans and
I think we're you know, pretty nice people. But if
you defend an angle we don't like, and we've established
we don't like it, I don't think you can expect
us to then go ah, yeah, you made me think

(55:34):
differently about all the points we just made. That made
it kind of stink. And I like it because it
gives Dolph a chance to be Dolph. No, I just
I'm sorry. I wasn't sway. It is a good, good attempt.
It didn't work, and then we moved on. So I bet,
I bet the emailer is fine and Corey doesn't have
to worry about him, but who knows keep sending counter arguments.
We like it and call us with him.

Speaker 13 (55:53):
Two.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Okay, let's go next as promised to seven one, eight,
and the non deck is eight oh two and two
one six seven eight police state name and where you're
coming from?

Speaker 9 (56:03):
Hey, way, how he's going? How he's going? Jason, This
is Mike from Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Hey, Mike, thanks for calling. What have you out for? Jason?
I mean, spak up a little bit too. We got
a weaker connection than usual with you.

Speaker 9 (56:12):
All right, he hit me out, yep, all right, basically
just to add on what you were saying earlier, like
for some reason like his like what Jason was saying
was seth his palmon work has been stepping up, and
I kind of forced to see him, you know, you know,
really getting a little baby face push down the line.

(56:35):
And I mean there's a couple of scenarios they could
they could play it out with. They could, you know,
after he if he is successful in being sing and
John Cena, you know, at the same you know, in
the same night, he could try to overthrow the author
of the year, really take over take the hell. But

(56:55):
like Jason was saying, I see a baby safe push
from coming down the line. The bathers, you know, the
Roman Reigns and all of them, I mean they've been
putting you know, the brown guy over you know, real
strong real big, and I wanted to get your opinions,
like how long do you know they push him as
an unstoppable monster? Like can they can they build him,

(57:19):
you know, with him growing to a point to where
he gets better, to where we could say, well, who's
going to stop this guy?

Speaker 6 (57:26):
You know?

Speaker 9 (57:26):
Can he saved Rock Lesno or some you know someone
of that that's Oh, I like that.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Mikeel Can can bron be built up as so dominant
that they can get a pay per view match of
Lesnar against this unstoppable force who's plowed through everybody but
he hasn't faced Brock yet? Can you actually turn that
into a sellable match somewhere between now and Mania?

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Jason, I'm having a hard time seeing it. I I
just don't have the confidence braun Strom, and I don't
think they're looking at him that way. The thing that
he struck me as a missions An audio last night
was that he kind of looks like a guy that
Undertaker would get excited about that, you know, back in
the old days when he was looking for a Mania
opponent or something like that. And I hope I'm wrong

(58:09):
on him. I just think he's very green. Maybe he
can learn on the fly. That would be cool, but
there's just something facially about him that doesn't say money
to me. And maybe that's just me way do I mean,
do you feel that way when you look at this guy?
Do you think, Hey, there's money, this guy can be
a star.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Well, facially I thought he was fine, but I think
I think it remains to be seen because it's just
such a small sample size. But I didn't mind his
face because he came to me, came across as kind
of a crazy, a little bit crazy, unstable, unpredictable. He's
not like a monster in the traditional sense. A monster
he in the traditional sense, but he wasn't boring either.

(58:47):
I think his facial expression when he took off the
black sheep mask was kind of intriguing to me. I
didn't see that as a negative. I saw that as
this is a guy who can probably be controlled by
Bray Wyatt. He looks like a follower who's a He
doesn't have all his marbles, and I'm fine with that
for somebody his eyes, and I'm not against building somebody
up to be to have brock cloth through them either,

(59:08):
I think, especially if they think he's too green to
be a long term project, maybe build him up at
Brock cloth Room and then we don't see him again
for a couple years until he gets better. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
Hey, if that's the plan here instead of having Rains
be the conqueror, I mean, I think that's what this
is though. It's just a hurdle for Rains to get over.
Ambrose will be the fall guy and we're already kind
of seeing that, and then Rains is going to conquer him.
Now if all of a sudden things click with him,
and even if that is their plan, well go ahead
and revise that plan. You know, if you feel like

(59:37):
there's more money to be made with Braun as this
conqueror for a while, to go against the ultimate conqueror
by all means, do it. I'm just it's it's not
grabbing me.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
I think it's fine for what it's being positioned as
right now, but I just don't see big money long
term in this. But maybe maybe he'll sway me.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Corey on Twitter says, I didn't mean Jason was too critical,
he was fine. I meant the guy you quoted saying
worst email ever. That was Irish Pete on my Twitter feed.
This is at the Wade Keller, by the way, if
you want to look at this, and Irish Pete then said,
I don't feel bad either, So we're all we've all
established where we stand on this, all right. I want
to know how the emailer feels. Well, we'll see. I

(01:00:17):
haven't heard back. Does he feel wrong or she? I
don't even know if it was Joseph C. Joseph C
and his uh his email has a picture of him
with a belt over a title belt over his shoulder,
so he's a champion of something. So I bet he's
feeling pretty secure with himself.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Yeah, all right, eight oh two and then two one
six up next eight well eight o two. Please state
your name and where you're calling from.

Speaker 14 (01:00:39):
Aaron Vermont, Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Aaron, good here from you. But have you got for
Jason to me?

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Okay?

Speaker 14 (01:00:44):
I want to know you ensidious thoughts on what's next
for Lesnar and Maker, what the opponents could be and
when they could face them, presuming the air we're going
to frease each other at Russomania thirty two. Do you
see this maybe being counter Stelle or Survivor series?

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Well, Jays and you already said you could imagine Survivor
series being the match. I think they're gonna wait till
WrestleMania thirty two, but I don't know for sure because
Vince might have two different opponents for them in mind.
Let me take Aaron's question and just ask this. If
it's if they do Undertaker Lesner the rematch at Survivor Series.
Who are the two opponents for Undertaker and Lesner that

(01:01:20):
jump to mind at Wrestlminga thirty two that make the
most sense. Then if they don't fight each other.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Oh boy, I guess John Cena for Taker is pick
gaining steam as far as uh, I think the fans
are concerned, especially if they're just I mean, I don't
rule out in a typical year, I would say the
ship is sailed on staying and Taker when they have
all those seats to sell, I can't rule it out completely.

(01:01:47):
I don't think that's the match, but that's also a
possibility for les.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
I don't think they look at that as a ticket
selling match though. I think they see the reactions thing
got last night, and they have that that oh he's
the guy who they always say, oh, now we know
why WW on a business because this guy was running it.
And I think they say that with a grain of truth.
I think they're they're ribbing on the square in a
way when they say that, because I think they're not
impressed by him. I don't think there's a chance that
Undertaker or WWE think that thing is a worthwhile opponent

(01:02:14):
a taker, even if a certain segment of the fan
base too, I don't think they do. Jason, I really don't.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
And if it's the case, then that's not your match,
you know. I then I think it probably is, especially
if it's the last ride John Cena. I would I
would prefer to see a more traditional keel babyface dynamic there,
with Cakers as the babyface riding off into the sunset.
But uh, it's I think there is box office there
as far as Sina, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Who is the broc? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
What about uh well Rock is the marquee one for sure?
And then if Ronn Rolthy, I'm sorry, Well, I was
gonna say something involving the guys from last year. He
and Roman Reigns had a hell of a match last
year here, and I think that even though Rains is
just kind of hanging around right now, there's a way
to build that up again. Remind people of how.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Good that was? Yeah, and maybe rains goes heal. Maybe maybe,
and that freshens up the match.

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Speaker 16 (01:03:40):
You get your podcasts.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
All right, thanks Eric two and six and then three
four seven on deck two one six state to name it?
Where you're going from?

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
Yo, B love from Ohio.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
I heard you sing something, but I did not make
out your name. But you are from Ohio. What's your name?
B lump b lup.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
B e l u p b dot r u m
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Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Oh okay, all right, go be go ahead be lowe.

Speaker 9 (01:04:17):
I got a.

Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
Quick I got a continent and then the question. My
comment is last night, I kind of I love Seth Rolins,
but hearing the thing about his girl getting fired and
the swastick of thing, I looked at him a little
different because of everything that just happened with Hogan and
the whole Confederate flag thing coming down, Like we just
went through this like so I looked at him like,
are you down with that? Like that's your aim going?

(01:04:39):
Like I just just everything that was going on it
made me kind of look at Seth Rolins a little
different a little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:04:45):
And my question real quick was what do you.

Speaker 6 (01:04:47):
Guys think about the Intercontinental title scene and how that
how can they further the inter Continental title? And who
do you think is next in line to possibly hold
the inter Continental title? And that's it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
All right, b look from Ohio, let us know those topics. Jason. Yeah,
the Seth rollinsing with his girlfriend being fired for you know,
endorsing a swastika and talking herself into a pretzel trying
to defend it, it's indefensible. I'm glad WWW took the
action they did. I don't think they really had a choice.
But then again, I don't understand why they're promoting Ultimate

(01:05:19):
Warrior as this gracious, awesome, accepting, tolerant person when he
was pretty much the opposite of that very publicly in
so many of the just nasty, vile, horrible, things he
said leading you know, in the last dozen years or so,
and never back down from those comments. So I don't
expect consistency from WWW. But putting inconsistency aside, I think

(01:05:41):
they definitely made the right move. Does this make you
look at Seth any differently that he choose to be
with a woman who just three short years ago was
engaging in social media defending her admiration and displaying of
the swastika symbol.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Not even a little did because we don't know what
her political views are today. I can't imagine that Seth
went through and like someone out there did, to find
out what she was putting on Instagram three years ago.
And so if he only knows the person from today
and she's not talking about that and she doesn't believe
in that, I mean, I don't even know if you're

(01:06:14):
still together. It's I think everyone assumes they are. I
don't know. I couldn't tell you if Seth Rollins is
with her or not, but I just I don't know. Wait,
it doesn't make me look at Seth any differently because
I don't know the whole story.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Did ww me do the right thing?

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
Yeah, Byspiring, Yeah, you have to you're a publicly traded company.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Yes, yeah, even if you're privately old company, you kind
of have to too, I think in this case, but
I know what you mean it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
It would be a little more. The first thing I
did was looked at her age and it was like,
I didn't know how old she was. And if this
was like somebody who was a twenty one year old
and three years ago, even as an eighteen year older
year old did something like this, you might go, well, okay, immaturity.
But she was twenty five when she did it. And
that's so my pity for her went right out the wing.

(01:07:03):
There was no sympathy for this. Hopefully she went through
a phase and she's not still practicing this, or maybe
I don't know what exactly was going through her head
when she put that out there. Her defense didn't make
any sense when there's you can say the swashka means
something else different places, and I have had people try
to defend her that way on Twitter. But when you
have an image of my little pony character that looks

(01:07:26):
like Adolf Hitler with the swastika on it, that builds
that one right out the window too.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
It does, and you know what just save, save me
the breath. Don't defend the swastika symbol is saying it
means something else. It doesn't. It doesn't. It means what
everybody thinks when they see it, which is the extermination
of the Jews in the Holocaust. And so don't pretend
it means something else. If you want to defend that
because they're an anti Semite, then go ahead and see

(01:07:52):
how that works for you. But don't say that the
swastika in any way based on what Hitler did to
that symbol and what it's fans for, so you don't
get to redefine it on social media as meaning something else.
Don't waste your breath. It's not anything but the extermination
of a bunch of human beings. So that's what it
stands for, and that's what people see when they see it.

(01:08:12):
And you ought not go on social media defending it
any age, really, but especially within a few years of
trying to get a job as a public figure. I mean,
it's just it's a disqualifier, all right, Three four seven
and then six set three four seventh. Please state your
name it where you're calling from.

Speaker 17 (01:08:28):
Hey guys, Corey from New York.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Hey, thanks, Corey for Colin, what you got for Jason?

Speaker 17 (01:08:32):
To me a couple of quick things and you can
answer these and the after show if you like. Okay,
But one, do you think that with the state with
them taking out Hogan for his racist from marks, do
you think they should take Jimmy Snooker.

Speaker 18 (01:08:47):
Out of the Hall of Fame if he gets the
convict him. And part of that is would you take
to Mina off of the road right now to shave
her from maybe the fans you know, going after because
you're her father. And then the other one would be
with Booker t coming back to commentary, I guess next
week of the following it's just an easy opportunity to
set up Jimmy Usso coming back to be part of

(01:09:10):
you know, the sixth man in the Wyatts, this Wyatt
feud and when Harp, when Rowan comes back, maybe you
bring back Jay Uso and that's where you go for
Survivor series.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
All right, thanks Corey. I don't think Tomina should pay
a price for anything her dad did if it became
a safety issue, of course. I don't think people are
gonna feel passionate about this to take it out on her.
I don't see that happening. Yeah, Jimmy snook A shouldn't
be a Hall of Famer if he's convicted, and I
think they should keep a close eye on things in
the meantime. Even that that's difficult to you know, it's

(01:09:47):
a it's a difficult, awkward situation. But yeah, there's there's
if there was a statue of Jimmy snoke at the
head quarters, they'd be taken it down today. And there's
they really should have had one up in the first place.
That have been bad judgment because this has been hanging
out or snookus head and any any you know, people
who were pretty educated on Snooku's history. I always saw
this as as a cloud of doubt and the potential

(01:10:10):
you know, shame, although I don't know that anybody thought
thirty two, thirty three years later that this would you know,
come come at him again. But really, there shouldn't be
a statute of limitations on murder and yeah, so no, Jason,
your thoughts on any of that, Well, the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
I think their stance is basically that they are waiting
to see you know, the whole innocent until proven guilty
part of it. I think Vince McMahon knows a lot
of details about this. He was right there in the
police station. And I just wonder if they are afraid
of rocking the boat when it comes to Jimmy Snooker
because of Vince McMahon's involvement, and so they're going to

(01:10:49):
play that card now where they leave him in and
wait and see what happens. That, you know, complete speculation
on my part, but I do wonder way to this
were somebody else and they were aware of the they
had the details that I think Vince does about the
Snooka situation, if they would have pulled this person from

(01:11:09):
the hall. I mean, it's it's easy to say, well,
Hulk Cogan, who was right there in black and white
the transcript came out, or Snooka, let's let let's let
this go through the court system. But I really do
wonder if it were different circumstances and there was no
direct Vince McMahon tie to the story, it would be
a different story, right now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
That's a good point. That's a good point. It does
complicate matters. How about the survivor serious scenario Corey laid
out with USO's.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
I don't care no offense to you, Corey h. He's
a good dude. But the whole USO joint, I mean,
could it I guess, you know, but I can't say.
I'm I just I don't think I'm into this as
much as a lot of the callers seem to be, like,
who's going to be with Harper and or I'm sorry
with Ambrose and Rains. It seems like it's a mid

(01:11:56):
card program to me right now, way.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Yeah, And I mean I don't buy default. I care
about mid card programs, but but yeah, I'm sort of just.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
Which that I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
It's shit, I haven't really thought about it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
I'm not investing the same amount of thought as as
it seems like a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Other people are. And who could team with the Shield? Right?
I think you know JBL saying this is two thirds
of the shield laid out? It does? You know? It
makes people think, oh, is is that a clue? I
don't really think that's a clue. I think it was
just JBL just trying to beat JBL, you know, just
acknowledging history and kind of random way and trying to
get brawn across. But yeah, I'm kind of with you.
I mean, if there's a variety of things they could

(01:12:31):
do with a third partner if they go that route.
I don't think Survivor Series necessarily is the destination point
where that people have to look at, because I don't
think Vince's obsessed with having Survivor's series style elimination matches
and trying to culminate feuds and in a way where
it's all you know, Survivor series is the endpoint, because
I don't think he just I think the multiman elimination
tag matches that Survivor series are just kind of this

(01:12:52):
this nostalgic relic that Vince isn't all that excited about.
So I don't think he's putting us on a thought
into it. We do a breaking news though, our emailer
Joseph C says, I don't worry. I feel fine, No,
all right, yes, I know. Just wanted to give a
different take on the angle between Giggler and rufsev As.
I am someone who likes the storyline, but I value
your opinions. Also, you guys asked how old I am.
I am thirty years old, and I am not a

(01:13:14):
writer for WWE. I'm a developer. So there we have it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
Pa, I now dislike Ireland because of Peach.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Maybe so yeah, that would should be very unfair for
all the good irishmen out there.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
But hey, let me jump back to that thing for second.
Just okay, now that I kind of felt guilty for
saying I didn't care, I put two seconds of thought
into it. Forget the usso's, forget Rowan, forget all of that.
I want to see them and I want to see
Rains and Ambrose introduce their own heavy samoa Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Ah, that works, that works. I like that. See. Sometimes
two seconds of thoughts is all it takes. Jason for
a brilliant time. Sometimes yeah, yes, all right, six one six,
thanks for holding. Please state your name and where you're
coming from.

Speaker 11 (01:13:58):
This is air for grand rampants.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Eric did a stump with question do.

Speaker 7 (01:14:03):
You see them Dudley's winning the titles? Or do you
see them chasing? And I went on ww dot count
I couldn't find anything.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Maybe you guys have an idea?

Speaker 16 (01:14:10):
Is any of the big pay per views coming to
Detroit anytime soon?

Speaker 18 (01:14:13):
And that's all I got. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
I knew Eric would get right to the point. I
have no idea about Detroit? Do you bright off? Jason.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
Actually, I had the list up because I couldn't remember
the name of the paper that came after Night of Champions,
and I do not see anything. It's Houston, La Atlanta,
Boston or the and then Orlando Saint Louis, Texas for
the New Year. So yeah, it doesn't look like anytime
soon as far as WWE is concerned.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
How could you forget about halloweenavoct What is the October
paper you, Jason?

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
Actually it is Hellana Sell. I was looking it up
earlier and I just had the window open.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Still, there's two questions I don't think we addressed in
all these callers that they did bring up the future
of the Icy title. We can address that because I
don't want to ignore that Colors question. And also with
thirt as undertaker, Lesner does take place in hell in
a Helen a Cell match, if not at Helena Cel,
do they add a structure to it or anything like
that or is that not a match that needs it
or should need it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
I don't think it needs it. They have had a
Helen of Cell match before.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
It was very good.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
I see it that way, had him kind of got
mixed reviews. I really enjoyed it. It is in LA.
It's at Staples Center, if that you know, I don't
know when's the end of the quarter away. I guess
that's something to consider.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
End of September.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
Okay, so it doesn't fall there because it's October twenty fifth.
It's Helen a Cell, but like I say, it is,
it's Staple.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Let me Jason, Jason, let me throw this in because
Aaron email from Vermont. He says, I called in and
asked about opponents for Taker and Brock, and I have
a follow up, and that is I had asked about
Helen to cell for Brock because his superlex City shirt
has won for Boston. They're going to be in Boston
for Roun October fifth. I was wondering if you would
have some type of match at the October pay per view,
which is a hell in the cell because of that. Also,
WWE has told me the shirts are for cities he

(01:15:57):
will be at for TV or special events.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
Well, they also had one for Sydney and that got
everyone excited thinking they were going to do another live
Sion special from Sydney, Australia. And he didn't you know,
he wasn't even on the show. Yeah, Okay, so, I
mean it may be something, but you know, I don't
want to read too much into that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Thoughts on the icy title, where do they go with it?

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
I don't know if they really have a plan for it.
I'm not seeing one anyway, waight. I mean, it's just
kind of right now, they kind of feel like it
feels like they're in a holding pattern, going back to
maybe another triple threat with Miz and Big Show, and
I don't see any need to rush it off of
Rye Back. I'm not very you know, I'm not excited
by what they're doing right now. But I don't know,
is there anyone out there that, I mean, guys like Owens,

(01:16:40):
Cizarrow would be cool for that and for that title,
But it just it seems like they're pretty content with
it right now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
I would not mind if they introduced if they moved
on from Show Miz and Rye Back you know, as
a as a group, and maybe shifted now to yes
a new contentus f IBAC keeps the belt and Kevin
Owens a heel. I'm fine with that. I mean, I
Ryebeck in Big Show had a nice match they did, yeah,
you know, I mean credit words, do you know you
see that on paper, you think it's a disaster in

(01:17:07):
the making. I don't think so okay final Oh, I
was just gonna go to uh six one nine and
they just dropped off. That's looking forward to talking to
San Diego region. So sorry, we just missed you. You're
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just for pwd torch VP members and prosing dot net members. Jason,
let's dive into some email topics to begin with. We
did not talk about to beat the Clock challenge during
the show, but we did get an email on that
from Jonathan jay He says last night's Beat the Clock
Challenge was a good way to get three Divas matches

(01:19:34):
on raw. Do you think of the matches where Team
PCB versus Team Bad It would have been a lot better.
PCB winning was a given. How fast it took them
to win was all that mattered. Keep up the awesome work.
I love it, so yeah, you can take that specific
and also talk in generalities. What do you think of
how to Beat the Clock Challenge concept was executed?

Speaker 16 (01:19:54):
I thought it was poor. I thought it was really bad.
I didn't I didn't like the way.

Speaker 19 (01:19:59):
I think they wanted to show Page's frustration and make
it less predictable that Charlotte was going to win by
having Charlotte set the time to beat second or the
ultimate winning time second. I think it was a mistake
because then my focus shifted to what's Page's reaction to losing,
rather than getting the Wow, Charlotte did it and she

(01:20:20):
gets the title shot. I thought the matches were too brief.
I thought it was funny that Michael Cole even had
to catch himself going. I think it was when he
was laying out the rules for the Becky Lynch match.
She's talking about. So when Becky wins, and then he
had to kind of catch himself and go, well if
she wins, and it's just it wasn't good.

Speaker 16 (01:20:39):
I was really disappointed by it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Yeah, I thought it was actually a really unfair way
to have Charlotte win because the you know, Charlotte won
and she couldn't really celebrate because she was taking something
away in essence from her pals at the same time,
and it just was really a flat way for her
to get the Devas title shot too. And yeah, it's
just it's it's the whole it's kind of awkward. What

(01:21:01):
I appreciated about it is that there was a sense
of the matches were short for a reason because they were.
The wrestlers involved were being very aggressive, and especially the
last match, it was I need to win, I need
to win quickly. I need to win, I need to
in quickly. I'm going for it all and so in
that respect, at least, it was somewhat believable that the

(01:21:22):
matches weren't going, you know, the ten to fifteen minutes
that we've become accustomed to. This is my macro step
back looked down at the big picture argument we don't
need all nine women on every show. It's okay to
not have them on every episode period, or they can
just be at ringside for a singles match. I'm not

(01:21:43):
against actually having some other women who aren't among those
nine be on run. Italia talked recently in an interview,
going yeah, I like this Steve revolution. Kind of wish
I was part of it, you know, I could be
on the air and not excluded from it entirely. I'm
really actually fine having some of these women fight somebody
besides each other. And I'm also very much in favor of,

(01:22:06):
you know, breaking away and let's get to some singles feuds.
It's not a revolution when you treat the divas like
the X division, which is look at all these women
and wow, look at they can be at good athletes
and have serious matches. I want them to stop talking
about each other and start talking about themselves, and I
want there to be a sense of every woman in
it for themselves. Yes, you can be part of a
faction in faction's work, but at some point it should

(01:22:28):
be one of them has a real beef with somebody
else and they're fighting over something that matters, and that's
the focus. It's not this just revolving door of which
of the nine is going to fight? Which of the nine.

Speaker 19 (01:22:38):
I'm hoping that what we saw last night is and
maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I'm hopeful
that Page looking as down as she did is maybe
a sign that they're they're going to do more with that,
and you're not going to see at least PCB together permanently.
I don't like the factions. I've made that very clear.

(01:22:59):
As far as Nata she might, I mean, it'd be
cool if if she was part of this in a
meaningful way. She should be careful what she wishes for,
because I think if they brought her in right now,
it would be to put over one of the current
faction members. And it's still better than sitting home, probably,
but I would I'm with you, and then I want
to see other divas showcase, and I think it's more

(01:23:21):
likely to happen if they abandon the factions. The other
thing that I'm kind of laughing at wad Well, I
can't maybe laughing if they go through with it. But
you're doing this two week countdown now to Nikki Bella
becoming the longest running Vivas champion, and the pay per
view or the live special isn't until September twentieth, so

(01:23:42):
she's not even going to defend the title before then.
You would think that like this, and they can always
announce that they're putting that match on. I think maybe
that's a direction they should consider if they're not already.
Is the night that she's ready to celebrate on Raw
that you went once? Because I think it's the next
day technically that she wins. But if she doesn't have

(01:24:03):
to defend the title there, she can come out gloating
about it. And instead they bump that match to Raw
because it really it doesn't even seem fun. I think
they're blowing a good opportunity there to create some drama.
Is this actually going to happen where maybe somebody stops
her just short of it, or at least the scenario
where it's possible someone stops her just short of of

(01:24:24):
breaking that record.

Speaker 9 (01:24:25):
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
I'd rather have them not wrestling every week and have
them talking about a match that's going to happen in
two weeks, and have them have warm up matches, you know,
put the champion and challenger or not the champion just
a challenger in there, and in a match where you know,
the champion gets to kind of call her own shots.
Nikki gets too, maybe put heat on her for not
having to wrestle and getting to save up her energy.

(01:24:46):
And now you know, have Charlotte be deemed the number
contender or in it like she did last night, but
have her have to take on an Italia or something
next week and make that controversial to get her on
the air and have the Bells gloating. But whatever happens,
my point is not to get too bogged down in
the actual details of the execution, but build up a
match that happens two weeks from now instead of just

(01:25:08):
throwing a match out there just to fill time every
week because you think it's your obligation to feature all
the divas all the time. So yeah, I'm ready and
eager for that. Okay, up next, Joe from Virginia. I
was wondering what your thoughts were regarding the NXT takeover
Brooklyn show that aired last Wednesday, basically the prelim matches.
I thought the live Saturday show was excellent, but the
tape show seemed pretty bad even with lowered expectations. And

(01:25:31):
also can you shed any light on what happened with
a finish in the four Way, Jason. I was looking
forward to watching that and then I heard so many
bad things about it. I just haven't gotten around to
watching it yet, but I know that you did speak
to what happened on that Wednesday show and what went
wrong compared to how good the Saturday show was.

Speaker 19 (01:25:47):
Well, they had the right people on the live special
for the most part. I thought it would build to
something nice at the end with the women's match, and
the finish was flubbed, and I don't know exactly what
happened there. Emma was not supposed to win, and I
don't know exactly. I don't recall exactly what happened there.

Speaker 7 (01:26:08):
Why.

Speaker 19 (01:26:08):
I think the referee counted to three and because he
it's what he's instructed to do if somebody's not kicking out,
and so I don't remember if there was a situation
where the person she pinned, I don't even do you remember?

Speaker 16 (01:26:21):
Do you remember who it was?

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Way?

Speaker 16 (01:26:22):
Just in the spoilers even I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Yeah, I know, because if I planned to watch it,
so I tried to avoid this. I mean I sort
of avoided the spoilers. As I used to say, I
didn't commit it to long term memory, but I clast
to him, this seems anything I needed to know, So
I don't remember.

Speaker 19 (01:26:35):
Yeah, well whoever, I think she was supposed to kick
out and didn't, and so then they did this the
bit where Charlotte got the visual pinfall afterward and it
didn't mean anything, and the like the show peaked in
the opening segment with Enzomoran Big Cast in front of
the Brooklyn crowd. I mean, they love those guys, and
that was it, you know, it was just kind of

(01:26:55):
downhill from there. As far as the actual in the
building wrestling court the show, there was some okay backstage
interview segments with the people who worked the live special
coming out of there that made it worthwhile. I mean,
I don't regret watching it, but I was hoping for
more as well.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Was the how was the crowd compared to on the
live special? Were they Was it a special atmosphere? Because
let's say that the NFC special did not air live,
but they just taped it in Brooklyn and aired it
on the network. And this was part one of a
two weeks you know series on Wednesdays just to create
that scenario. Would you have been impressed with the crowd
and the atmosphere having not seen anything until what they

(01:27:33):
showed on Wednesday.

Speaker 19 (01:27:35):
Only the Enzo match, only the reaction to him, because
they were so hot for him that it was, you know,
fifteen thousand people in Brooklyn going crazy for Enzo and
Big Cast once that was over, you know, I mean,
I may have still been impressed by some aspects, just
the size of the crowd, of course, but.

Speaker 16 (01:27:54):
I missed.

Speaker 19 (01:27:55):
It didn't feel like a special event. I mean a
year the crowd was into the characters, but they were
like they got into booing, even Marie because they don't
like her. But at the same time as over as
Enzo and Big Cast, where Carmela is part of their act,
and I think they thought she was going to get
this great reaction. I thought she'd get a much better

(01:28:15):
reaction than she did, and it was kind of crickets.
They weren't all that into her. Maybe it's because she
came out right after their match and the crowd kind
of got that all out of their system.

Speaker 16 (01:28:24):
But it was too bad.

Speaker 19 (01:28:26):
There just wasn't good wrestling on that show that you're
used to seeing from NXT it and with the main
event being kind of a flop, it really just it
didn't need ninety minutes. But I can see why they
tried it because they didn't know going in that main
event wasn't going to deliver.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Yeah, I guess I'll just defer to you on that one.
I just was kind of disappointed it wasn't just you know,
more greatness from you know Saturday. But it does seem
like they picked the right matches for the Saturday special,
which obviously well since they obviously it likely had a
lot more viewers. But I mean they both were available
on the network and Wednesday's usual time slot. Jason, we
haven't seen this week's show yet, but the Take Tournament
they've been taping matches at the big arenas on the

(01:29:04):
WWE main shows are the next Are the next couple
of weeks of NXT gonna be out of full sale?
And are we gonna get this this kind of antiseptic
big league feel and take away some of the specialists
of NXT.

Speaker 16 (01:29:16):
What's going on with that?

Speaker 14 (01:29:17):
They?

Speaker 19 (01:29:17):
So far, the best of my knowledge, I've only taped
one match outside and I don't know what The only
thing I know that's airing on this show is the
match they announced last week, which is Ascension against I
believe it was. I think it's Ascension against Rhino, or
maybe it's not the Essential, but it's Rhino teaming up
with Baron Corbin and facing another team in like the

(01:29:39):
first televised match of the tournament, and that was at
full sale, so I think they're yeah, I think they're
back to full sale. I don't know how they're gonna
work in that match that they actually tape that I
won't get into just any spoilers on yet.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
I just I know that they tape that match, and
I think they showed some teaser footage of it. And
I thought, man, that NXT is special because Vince McMahon
and Kevin Dunn aren't part part of it, and it's
like the brand split with Ron SmackDown. They just couldn't leave.
They just couldn't leave their fingerprints off of the product.
And you know, I know, Kevin Dunn is like, oh,
we can't have an ECW show on Sci Fi without

(01:30:12):
the WWB logo in the corner. Because Kevin Dun thought,
no one's gonna watch a wrestling show unless it's a
WWB branded show. He got the sci fi people to
believe in that, or he believed they believed in that,
whatever the story was. I'm like, no, for a show
to work. If you're trying to expand your brand, if
you're gonna bother to have a different brand, whether it's SmackDown,
ECW or NXT, if you're gonna bother doing it, have

(01:30:32):
it feel different, and part of that is not having
them overlap it. Really, I think it really hurts. It's
like when you find out like that that organic food product,
that that frozen food you buy that's organic with that
that really cool name on it, and you find out, Oh,
it's owned by Nabisco or craft. You're like, oh, I
was such a sucker, you know. I thought, you know,

(01:30:53):
like Hashi Cereal is owned by like Nibsco or something
like that. And people are like, what I thought I
was supporting some small, little, little, you know, microbrewer type
you know, business, And it's like, nope, right, they just
catering to NXT has that cachet of being kind of
that micro brewery of wrestling. You don't want to all
of a sudden have Budweiser come in and start touting it.

Speaker 19 (01:31:11):
Well, and the cool thing about the you know, the
Brooklyn show was that crowd was there to see NXT. Yeah,
the crowd that they did the tag match they taped.
The crowd had no idea that match was going to
take place for the show.

Speaker 16 (01:31:22):
Yep, that's a big part of it too. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
Up next, David Wallace, VIP members from Scotland who now
lives out in Moscow, Russia. He said, sadly, due to
the time difference as well as having a young family,
it's near impossible for me to call in during the
live show. This is the best way I can get
my question across to you. I was listening to your
conversation with Steve Austin regarding Cody Rhodes his performances, and
I have to say I am really enjoying his work.
The way he gets himself fully invested in the character

(01:31:46):
he plays is a tribute to his professionalism as a
pro wrestler. My question to you and Jason is where
do you see Cody in the next six months, year.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
And so on.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Praise to both you and Jason for having great chemistry
and the best audio discussions available in my humble opinion,
Thanks a lot, David, I wish it wasn't your humble opinion.
I wish you were the expert on all things, because
then you would mean more. But I will still take
a humble opinion. Jason Cody Rhoads seems to be a
topic conversation today. We had the ascension question earlier about Cody.

(01:32:15):
I don't know where Cody goes. Is he better off
or worse off because of the Stardust gimmick than he
would have been had he still been giving grooming tips
to people about noshares Well, I.

Speaker 19 (01:32:28):
Guess flip a point, yeah, yeah, you know, Okay, Stardust
I think is his dream character because he's done acting.
He's a huge comic book guy, and obviously the pro
wrestling part, so I think it kind of brings those
worlds together for him. I thought when his father passed away,

(01:32:51):
not to give, not to go out there and take
anything from the Dusty Rhodes death, not to use his
father's death to his advantage to give the fans what
they wanted, which was a reason to cheer, you know,
just a chance to cheer him would have been more
beneficial long term.

Speaker 16 (01:33:09):
That you know that obviously that's going to fade. I
get that.

Speaker 19 (01:33:12):
You know, he had this this match mapped out with
Steven Emmel at SummerSlam, and so he's stuck to that.
I don't know that Stardust long term is going to
work for him because it's I'm entertained by the character.
I think it's fun, it's quirky, but I think that's
how Vince McMahon sees it too, at best, and so
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Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
That's the thing, you know, I just don't know if
ultimately Cody had that main event look and ring style,
and I just he might just be content kind of
carving out, you know, and niche as a kind of
a offbeat character, earn his living and then go on
to acting or theater afterwards.

Speaker 16 (01:35:14):
I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
Yeah, I just I'm not sure that that I'm all
that worried about Cody being not being a main eventor
because I'm not sure that he would have gotten there.
So yeah, I mean to just specifically answer his question.
I guess it's kind of a a cop out question.
I just think Cody will be around for a while
and it'll be more the same. He's kind of a
not even upper mid card, just kind of a mid card,
hard working, reliable, sort of comedy goofball, not even goofball,

(01:35:40):
just kind of a quirky act that works out shows
and fill some TV time and and does a good
job with it. I don't know that there's any kind
of breakout to main events in his future.

Speaker 16 (01:35:50):
I'm just not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
It's not so much that he can't come back from
the start of skin because much as I'm just not
sure that's in him to be a main event guy.
But you know, maybe in five years enough thing's happened
that he he you know, grows as a wrestler and
finds a way to carry himself in more of a
main event way, and they have to go to him
because they're low on talent, and it works out. I mean,
I can't roll it out.

Speaker 19 (01:36:10):
I think he was in a better place when he
was Cody Rhoades, you know, at different times than he
is right now as Stardust. I just I see this
as the peak where maybe if he had a man
in the Stardust character after his father's death and come
back as a baby face, maybe that would have worked out.
But I just think there's no guarantees. But I think
the path would have been a little clearer for him

(01:36:31):
to at least move up the card, even for a
short time than it is right now. But then it
is any at any point with Stardust. I think this
if you added a little edge to the Stardust character,
I think he could climb that ladder. But I don't
think Vince sees it in that character.

Speaker 16 (01:36:47):
Yeah, no, I agree with you, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
That next Stephen Burns, VP member from Glasgow, Scotland, we're
going international here, says while the ROH and Japan relationship
is hugely beneficial for r WAH, does there need to
be some give and take with New Japan regarding the
booking of talent against ROH talent. Obviously, New Japan talent
takes priority when booking wins and losses. However, it seems
that only pure New Japan talent that I've lost cleanly
in RH have been Kushita and Jushin Liger. Does it

(01:37:12):
become counterproductive to consistently have the majority of New Japan's
talent winning as other than rave reviews for a wrestler's performance,
such as roderk strong against Nakamura and Okada. What does
the RH wrestler gain from always losing to a New
Japan crossover match, Jason? Is there validity to that? Does
there need to be a little bit more give and take?

Speaker 19 (01:37:31):
I wish there was Politically, I think they get too
caught up in it. I don't think it should matter
as much if a New Japan. I think you could
do a little more give and take. Where Okay, the
r OH guy beats him on this show, Okay, the
great the Japanese press, you know, are there for it,
God forbid. But then you go that wrestler goes to

(01:37:54):
Japan and reheurns to favor and problem solved. I think
there could be more of that than there is. I
think the Ring of Honor fans have been so pleased
to see the New Japan talent there that it's not.
I don't think it's damaging right now to the RH
talent to go out there and have a really competitive
match with one of those guys and they lose. I

(01:38:15):
think people are just excited that they're seeing these matches
to some extent, but people in Ring of Honor will
privately tell you some of that's starting to fade. They're
just picking up on. You know, the crowds aren't as
pumped for the new Japan starts as they once were,
the merch lines aren't as long as they once were,
and so you know, it kind of feels like some
of the bloom is off.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
That rose follow up question from him too, and I'm
with you on that. RS announce today that Stevie Richards's
book for a match against ROH World and TV champion
Jay Lethal, and as a big RH fan, I found
the announcement underwhelming and frustrating. Well, I understand that it's
a house show booking and it's a former ecw WWE
talent with the name value. I think it's a waste
of booking and an opportunity for a younger talent than

(01:38:56):
for forty three year old part time wrestler. Your thoughts
should Rowh not be using opportunities like this on the
roster to get in more independent, to get in more
marquee independent talent. You know, Jason, there's people aren't going
to pay attention to a name they don't know. They
hear Stevie Richards and it gets them to pay attention.
But is facing jay Lethal the right role for Stevie
given his age and really it's not like he was
ever an ECW world champion or even an IC or

(01:39:19):
US champion. He was really a not ever pushed as
a world tidle level guy.

Speaker 16 (01:39:24):
That one puzzled me.

Speaker 19 (01:39:25):
I don't get I don't know what they're getting out
of that. I don't think you're gonna get people that
flock to that show to see Steve Richards. So I'm
kind of like if this were a quick TV angle
or something and Jaylie at the win over Strong, Okay,
But I mean they're trying to They're starting out press
releases and making it seem like a big deal and

(01:39:46):
I'm just going, this doesn't feel like a big deal
to me at all.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
Yeah, And so I mean, is there a different way
you would use Stevie Richards I don't know that.

Speaker 19 (01:39:56):
I would use Stevie Richards to ring him on her.
And I'm not even trying to be mean. I got
to kick out of Stevie Richards back in the day,
and I'm enjoyed some of his other characters outside of
BCW two. But I just I don't really get what
they think he brings to the table right now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
Yeah, no, I don't either. I mean, I'm again, it's
you kind of you do a double take when you
hear about it. If you're you know, know who Stevie
is and you're an RH fan or a casual rich fan,
you go oh, oh, oh weird, and the you're like, eh,
I don't need to see that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
You got to move on.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
I think that's the majority of people's reaction. It gets
their attention, but I don't think it's something they'd be like, Oh,
this is Stevie. I Oh, what a new chapter in
Stevie's career. I've been following him. I gotta see what
they do here. That said, I think it'll be kind
of I think the personalities of the two hyping a
match will be kind of interesting, you know, Jay and Stevie.
I mean, so, I don't know. I mean, I hope
they're not paying a lot, you know, thinking they've got

(01:40:48):
some big coup to get Stevie Richards come in in
Maine event for him. You know, I hope it's a
bargain price in that respect.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
All Right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
His final rig question given RoHS need to improve the
depth of their roster in WWE signing more, has there
been any further word on any indie talents at ROH
to trying to bring into the company and is there
any sign ROH is starting to loosen their tryo camp
only mentality to indie talent, as you and Jason both noted,
is needed over the last few months. Thanks and look
forward to your thoughts.

Speaker 19 (01:41:16):
I'm not seeing any signs of it. I'm trying to think.
I mean, I can ask around about that one, but
not that I'm aware of. I think one of the
issues they have, I think in their minds they kind
of have a full roster right now too. And then
there's some of the younger guys that they're just kind
of shoehorning in there that they brought in, like Donovan

(01:41:37):
Guy Jack and Jay Diesel are just thrown out there
with Jay Lethal as part of the house of truth,
but they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
Really mean much.

Speaker 16 (01:41:45):
They're not really being taken care of.

Speaker 19 (01:41:47):
I would say the best newcomer in some time is
Oh Gosh, the oh Dalton Castle and the Boys. I
think that act is great. You know that that act
is awesome. But other than that, I'm struggling to really think.
I'm probably forgetting someone. But it just doesn't seem like
they're ready to freshen things up right now.

Speaker 16 (01:42:05):
Yeah it does.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
ROH think, Well, we're bigger than any talent and they
want too much money and they should come in and
work for you know, or we just want to have
our own, our own brand of talent that are ROH.
You know that we identify as ROH guys, and we
don't want them going out in the indy scene and
wrestling matches that don't match with how we're using them
on our national TV exposure.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Like what do you hear?

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Is the reason that they are kind of I don't know,
not snooty, but sort of exclusive in terms of who
they use and not just trying to be an indie
all star show at every opportunity.

Speaker 16 (01:42:35):
I have never really heard.

Speaker 19 (01:42:37):
I mean, the thing people will tell you is that
Hunter the Booker has his guys and those are the
guys he takes care of, and it's hard for others
who come in to really crack that and get a
good opportunity. I mean, they have talent that aren't being
utilized on all of the shows, like Asiedric Alexander, who's
getting a pushed on television, is left off some shows

(01:42:58):
for some reason. And I really think it is they
just have their full roster of guys and they're not
going to branch out of it or go to branch
too far outside of what they have, unless it's some
special case like Stevie Richards.

Speaker 16 (01:43:12):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
Final question Rome from VIP member Rome from Brooklyn says,
do you think WWE plans to have Charlotte win the
Divas title from Nikki Bella and have her introduce a
new women's championship or is a Divas Championship here to stay?
I almost think Page would be more likely to do
that based on her promo last night, but Jason, I
am all for one of them. Heck, even Sasha Bank

(01:43:34):
says a heel turn her braveface just go. She'd say
I'm a diva, So I guess I asked me one
of the baby Faces saying diva. Yeah, you know, it's
sort of a cool term in some ways, but we
just want to be women wrestlers, not divas. And make
that an issue and say that's part of the divas revolution,
and get rid of the you know, silly, pretty pink

(01:43:55):
butterfly belt and make it seem a little bit more
prestigious and serious.

Speaker 16 (01:43:59):
I would love to see it happen.

Speaker 19 (01:44:01):
I mean, they're still playing the Total dab Its theme
song for Bumper music for the women, and I don't
think it changes.

Speaker 16 (01:44:07):
I hope I'm wrong on that one.

Speaker 19 (01:44:09):
As far as Charlotte winning, I'll just you know, maybe
it's wishful thinking, but I think there's been so much
talk about Nicky and making sure she passes a JA
least record that I'll just say she doesn't that it. Actually,
they do move that match up, and we do see
Charlotte beat her on Raw. Rather than saving that match
for Knight of Champions, maybe just get the rematch at

(01:44:30):
Night of Champions.

Speaker 16 (01:44:31):
I think that one.

Speaker 19 (01:44:33):
Maybe I'm being too overly optimistic, but I think that
there's just too much fun to have with that, with
Nicky gloating that she's about to pass the record and
she doesn't have a title defense, and then surprise, she does,
and Stephanie McMahon can do her usual where she's a
heel in one segment and a babyface and the other
by informing her that you are having this match. By

(01:44:54):
the way, Wade, why isn't Why is it not Charlotte Flair?
I guess I don't understan.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Because divas have one one name, one word names. I'm
surprised Sasha Banks is still is not just Sasha.

Speaker 16 (01:45:07):
I mean, there's Nicky Bell and there's Brie Bella, there's
Alicia Fox, but.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
They're the Bella twins. You know, you gotta have different
names for you know, they can't be the Nicky and
Bree twins. No, No, I mean there are exceptions. I'm
being kind of facetious. I guess maybe she's trying to
say I don't I don't want to live off my
dad's reputation. People know, but I mean, yeah, why not
do Charlotte Flair? I don't see it downside.

Speaker 16 (01:45:29):
No, I don't either.

Speaker 19 (01:45:30):
I think you're the broadcast team's mentioning that she's Rick
Flair's daughter in every segment, So why wouldn't you it's
I I can't imagine she wouldn't sign. You know, there's
some concern that she's going to take the Flair name
and use it elsewhere. I mean, does it matter, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 16 (01:45:49):
Yeah, it should be a Charlotte Flair.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
No, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
I mean I I don't see. I don't think it's
make or break, but I think it would be better
for her to be Charlotte Flair. I mean I I
and I just don't see it downside.

Speaker 19 (01:46:00):
No, that one they need to consider. I think that,
especially if they're going to have her doing all the
poorly time woos and all of that, then go all
the way with it.

Speaker 20 (01:46:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
By the way, I do want to give credits Brian
Hamilton for suggesting Samoa Joe as a partner for the
Shield against the Wyatt family in emas. Oh okay, I
just noticed now, and I just thought, yeah, I didn't
want him sitting there going oh great, hey, great minds
think alike, hopefully mentioned me.

Speaker 19 (01:46:28):
Yeah, And I don't see the email. So if he's
sitting there going that, SOB stole my idea.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
I don't see the emails, right exactly, all right, Jason,
anything else for a wrap up today.

Speaker 19 (01:46:39):
I think that well, there's so much going on, but
I know we'll cover it all in our respective shows.
Jake Barnett and I will get together tomorrow for dot
net Weekly for the members, and we'll certainly talk about
all of these not so fun stories to cover, but
they certainly need to be discussed with the performance center
shooting and all of that and so plenty going on,
and I'm sure you'll talk about those with the first

(01:47:00):
and Todd and your solo hotlines as well.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Very good.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
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