10 YRS AGO FLAGSHIP: Lesnar-Undertaker video, NXT’s Barclay’s sellout, Sting-Taker possibilities, Daniel Bryan’s book, ROH feeding WWE stars

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Raw did a two point seven to one rating, up

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from two point sixty five and two point sixty four
the last two weeks. As we're two weeks away from
As we're two weeks away from SummerSlam, of course, you know,
a pretty loaded show with the exception of not having
block Lester. Well, a pretty loaded show with exception that
not having Blocklesner, not having block Lessner, the Undertaker or

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John Cena on the show pretty much a pay per
view main event with Randy Orton and Seth Rollins not
a pay per view finished, but then also a pretty
you know, pretty loaded show with Cizarrow with Czarro, Kevin
Owens and Randy Orton in another pay per view worthy
main of that too. So a good uptick, I would say,

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particularly with them that. So, Jason, you're on, but good,
good to be talking with you. Yes, thank you. Now
let's let's get this thing rolling a little bit. Uh. First,
let me let me ask you this question. I'm gonna
do four questions like I do with Travis, but it's
going to be the lockcast. I've missed. I've missed two
by the three weeks between going to the the n

(05:21):
w A Legends FanFest and and a very very interesting
night and Charlotte and then being on top of a
mountain last week. Like I said, I've missed two out
of three of these. So let me ask you a question.
Who we're going to see in two weeks facing cethor
Arlins for w title. Do you think we're gona see
John Cena, We're gonna see Randy Orton, because it sure
looked to me like they've got, uh, you know, they've

(05:44):
got a backup plan in case, in case John Cena
isn't ready for that for that match, it.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Does look like they have a backup plan. I'm going
to guess we're going to see sena he he's advertised
on the Live events page for this coming Monday raw.
I don't know how new the advertising was that we
got locally last night, and maybe you know, maybe completely moved,
but they did advertise Johnsen appearing live along with Taker
and Brock Lesnard for the show in Minneapolis. So I

(06:14):
think at this point they're certainly hoping that that that
he is there. But you're right, I think they have
their their fallback plan in place now with Randy Orton.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, it seems pretty clear. It's like he was getting
the and I thought, I thought he came through too.
I thought he I thought, you know, they had a
strong crowd last night that really helped him look like
a player. And then two to beat three big names.
I mean really, he beat Cizarrow, you know, he hit
the you know, you hit the mark on Cizarro and
Kevin Ellens and then for all intents and purposes, beat

(06:45):
Seth Rowlins in the end. So I thought they had
you know, I thought they had something. And the truth
of the matter is this is a one Matt show,
you know, number one, it's on the W network, and
that's a big part of it. This is the one
Matt show. This is Undertaker, and this Undertaker and brock
Lesser as much as you know, it's more than I've
seen a Summer Slam in a long time, more or
less saying any of their big shows in a long

(07:05):
long time, this is based on a big star power,
and I thought, you can tell me what you think,
but I thought that they really did a good job
with the with that video the video package this time,
it was like one of the best video packs I've
seen with Undertaker and brock Lassner.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Well for yeah, absolutely, I'll get to that in a second.
But I think if Sena is out, this may actually,
in a weird way, work to their advantage. I mean,
obviously you want John cen at SummerSlam in some capacity,
but I didn't understand why they felt the need to
go with two matches on this show, and now that
there's really not time to build it up properly. I mean,
you could have a strong Angle next week and that

(07:44):
might do the trick. But I didn't understand what Knight
of Champions coming up. Why not save seen in Rawlins
as the true pay per view main event for next month.
I just thought you could have gotten by with Sena
defending the US title, Rawlins defending his title sevenly, and
SummerSlam would have been just fine. So I mean, it's
going to suck for them if John Cena is unable

(08:06):
to appear or wrestle at all. But I still think
that may actually work to their advantage as far as
Night A Champions, As far as that video goes, that
was a really good piece of business. I mean, it's
something that we've talked about many times. That was their
bigger main events. You don't want to do this every
month where then it just becomes like it just too cliche.
But when you have a huge main event like brock

(08:27):
Lesnar and Undertaker is why not have everyone talking about it?
The only thing I would have changed their Bruce. I
kind of would have liked to have seen Seth Rollins
be a little more in character or just not even
be used either one.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I mean yeah, he he definitely seemed like, you know,
outside observer when he had taken that, you know, he
was a main player, and the setup he had taken,
the beating from brock Lester and an Undertaker in advertently
saved his title for him. I think you're right. I
also thought that I would have liked to have seen
more heat be put on breaking John Cena's mess that

(09:00):
that that had, You know that I wish that Seth
Rowlins the last two weeks. I mean, he he was
nasty about it, but he really tried to like turn
it into comedy. And I wish there had been more
outrage about it too, I didn't really like and then
and then some and then some pushback with the idea
that he was that the guy was sitting at home

(09:21):
goofing off because he had because his nose that is smashed,
And particularly since it's John Cena, who fans know, you know,
in the storyline and in real life, works harder, does more,
you know, never slacked off, that they could have fought
back against instead of sending one of those little messages
about injured wrestlers who stay at home and don't get

(09:42):
you know, we're not working, They're just being lazy and
watching TV or whatever. So I mean, I thought that
I thought that they could have really gotten some outrage
with you know, with Seth Rollins went too far and
look at the guts that John Cena had. How can
you how dare he say those things? Look at the
guts that John Cena had to do that and then
have and then have Seth Rollins directly threatened John Cena

(10:06):
and that face and that nose. If you come back,
I'm gonna hurt you. You know, I really hurt you
this time. But if you make if you force me
to hurt you further, I will. I mean, I think
that would have been I think that would have gotten
more of a sense of reality to what to what's
going on, whether Sena faces in this pay per view
or next.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Pay per view.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
But yeah, I think that. I think you're right. They
did not need John they did, you know, And they
didn't need John Cena and Seth Rollins on SummerSlam. I
don't want a load to show up, but they really
do have something and and Brock and an undertaker where
they can let that lead at all. And then they've
got w Network. It's a different dynamic. It's summer, you know,

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and they've got SummerSlam, which is really, you know, the
second biggest show of the year for them and for
pro wrestling on wiscontinent.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Give me my next question. I am ready.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Ah okay, let's see what a look at my looking
at my next question? So is Sting going to be
a Summer Slam?

Speaker 5 (11:06):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Is SummerSlam weekend? And maybe they do some sort of
an angle. I mean, I know a popular fan theory
is that he's the way they get out of giving
a clean finish to the main event. They set up
something with him and Taker Bruce that worries me Sting
last year with the long layoff, worried me sting with
another year in between matches. I know he can go
work out and everything, and he got himself in really

(11:28):
good shape last year. I don't know if that's going
to happen. I mean, we know he's going to be
in the area because he's taking part in the I
think got signings. I don't know that it's a panel,
so he'll be in the area, but whether or not
he actually I don't think he's going to work the
show as far as I don't think you're going to
add a Sting match, and could he I'll just turn
that one over to you. Do you think he gets

(11:48):
involved in the Undertaker brock lesnar Maine event.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
I don't. I mean, I'm really still thinking in terms
that he becomes an honorary member of the Shield. They
don't use that verbiage, but there's one more gets in
the Shield that maybe Eric Rowan somehow comes back, or
they add someone. I know that Lon Krueger. You know,
they'd always kind of said that one, but I don't
believe that anymore. But I don't buy that, and for

(12:12):
a couple of reasons. I mean, I don't see Vincent
man sees undertaken Steing as this legendary match. And you know,
one thing they have done a great job with and
I'll ask a question. I think going back to this
is building up how special Undertaker and block lessoners. But
they've done a great job of making everybody forget that

(12:35):
the last time those two wrestled, it was a terrible match.
And you know, if you have that sense of you know,
if you have that sense of anticipation, if you have
that sense because of atmosphere around the match, you can
get away with that. I mean you can until the
match starts. But then by that time you've got everybody's membership,
you've got everybody's money. But if I were them, and

(12:58):
then you look at but you look at WrestleMania and
how they treated Sting. They you know, you know, Triple
H is the master wrestler, but they weren't happy with
Sting's performance, and then they ran in every cameo they
could and and then basically at the end had Sting,
you know, after like after Triple H tried to murder

(13:20):
him with a sledgehammer, had him, you know, had him
shake Triple H's hand. I mean, I don't think I
don't think they see Sting as any kind of position
to work with Undertaker and have that type of match.
And you know, we're also hearing that the Sting is
added a bunch of muscle mass that you know, that
they might be happier for his But I think it's

(13:40):
much more natural and much easier way to use them
is to put him in, you know, and put him
in in that in that thing with the shield, put
him in with Rom and Reins and Dean Ambrose against
the Wiats, and has him just be featured in some
spots and let the young guys do of bulk of
the work and let him give some coolness and some

(14:03):
rub and some you know, and some immediacy to to
not seth for all but two other Rains and Dean Ambers,
particularly Ruan Rains could use it. So I still see
I still see that. I think I've always felt like
people were people who were just hung up on this
idea that Sting and you know, sing an Undertaker was

(14:26):
this dream match that never happened in twenty fourteen or
twenty thirteen or two thousand and fifteen it's it's it
was one. The time has certainly passed, and I don't
really buy that that it ever really was one. And
I bring this up from time to time just to
say it. I'm one of the few people who've seen
those two rust alive. So it doesn't really matter because

(14:50):
it was me Mark Callous versus thing. But I have
seen that singles match. But it's but yeah, at this point,
I don't Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I don't buy.

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Speaker 3 (15:30):
I think, well, let's let's talk. Let's talk some more
about that. What do you think who do you think
was between Brock Western Untitech.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
I wow. I think the right move if there's a
clean finished, because I think you have to approach it
that way. I think if there's a clean finish, the
right move is Brock going over. Because Undertaker, let's say
this is his last year. Let's say that wrestle Nania
is his last match, Well, then it doesn't matter if

(16:01):
he loses here, because then all you're selling for WrestleMania
is Undertaker's last ride. And so if that's what they're
if that's the way they're approaching this, Brock has to
go over. You know. If this is definitely Takers last year,
we don't know that though, So if Takers sticking around,
I still say Brock lesner because he means more in
a business day to day than Undertaker does. They're both

(16:23):
part time guys, but let's face it, Brock's gonna work
a lot more. He's going to sell a lot more
pay per views or network subscriptions than Undertaker is just
showing up usually once a year.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, yeah, I you know, I agree. But here's the
here's the way I agree with you that I think
Rock needs to win. This is this is where I
see it. I mean, I very much see it this way,
Rock should win this one to Undertake, you know, understand
should give the value an effort. And then the next night,
Monday after SummerSlam, on Raw, Rock Lesner and Paul Hayman

(16:56):
are in the running and bragging, you know, doing their
thing and and I very much, you know, and then
at that point Undertaker appears on the ramp, lets the
lightning come down, you know, gives them a hard stare,
and then just disappears. And then for WrestleMania season you
have Undertaker. You know, I want I want Rock Lesner

(17:19):
at WrestleMania. If I can't beat him, you'll never see
me again. And and then people going, he can't lose
three in a row, it'll ruin this WrestleMania record. But
it's Brock Lesner. Should he do it, you know, and
have have all that kind of thing. And then and
then Undertaker wins at WrestleMania and it's two to one
and that's the end of it. But but he gets

(17:40):
the big WrestleMania win, and that's that's very much. I mean,
I don't see, you know, if you look at where
things are, who's brought going to face at you know,
at WrestleMania I think I think with Undertaker place first,
Planet's got to be Undertaker too. But if Undertaker wins
this one, that's one and one and they do the
rubber match, you know under Taker's going to Undertaker is

(18:01):
going to win it. Ruffle. If they have a match
between Black Left and Undertaker at one and one, Undertaker
is gonna win that one too. I think you're much
better off in stacking the debt and putting it. You know,
the the Old Man's Last Stand, the Legends Last Stand
at russell Mania, and then he comes through.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
In the end.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
He's not Rick Claire. He comes through in the end.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Any went, I like it if I just don't know
that we need to see these guys work again. I mean,
you know, even though I'm excited about this match, they've
definitely done a good job, as you said, of making
people forget the lousy quality of that first match. I
know there was a concussion, you know, there's there's excuses there,
but that one scared me on paper going in. I

(18:40):
just didn't know that it was going to live up
to expectations. I don't know that this one is going
to with the casual viewer. You know, there's there's still
going to be a lot of people will have in
the back of their mind, I think that the first
one wasn't very good. I mean, if this one is
just without the concussion, if it's slightly better than what
we saw a Russell, Andy and Bruce, do you want

(19:01):
them to have another match at Wrestlmania.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, that that enters into it, It really does. But yeah,
but you know, they've got to have some sort of
faith that Undertaker can do something this time. But I don't,
you know, I don't know. I mean, he was he
was better against Bray Wyatt, but he wasn't. I didn't
think he was outstanding at this wrestling. Man, he was
just better than the one there. And then he does
look older.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
He looked you know, we wait, it's just some poster
when the postery is a full head of hair.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Oh oh yeah, well, well let the poster wrestle brock Lester.
I mean that's you know, I mean, that's gee, I mean,
that's that's the problem. But yeah, I mean, that's the
but he you know, he looked he I don't know,
his face definitely looked like he had been through some stuff,
so you know it. But if you do, you know,
if they're not going to wrestle again, an undertaker wins

(19:52):
this one and then somehow you just but where why
would brock Lester's character in Paul Hayman's character putting all
the seat on all this step back from me? So
it's it's interesting. And like I said, if there was
somebody else, if I thought that Rock was gonna wrestle Rock,
or I thought that someone else was gonna wrestle Rock,
that that's out there that would make it special for WrestleMania,

(20:15):
I could see switching over. But now I look at
this and yeah, I'm not I'm not sure I would
have rematched this at all because I just thought. I
just thought that that match at WrestleMania was really bad.
And how does you know If Rock Lister can't press,
can't press his opponent physically, then what do you do?
You know, then what do you do? And also I
just thought, you know that he was just making real

(20:37):
progress as the monster, as the monster good guy, and
then they pulled that out from under. I have liked
that they they haven't picked a heel or a babyface
and they've made them both just special attractions and put
the and put the onus on if Undertaker loses, how
terrible would be for Undertakes? Do you plug talk about
talking about for wrestling dot net and all the those

(21:00):
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Speaker 4 (21:03):
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Speaker 2 (21:16):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Let's go to some phone calls five days zero your
next on the PW torch a lot cast that your
name and where you're.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
From, Christian Rota City, Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yes, sorry, what do you have for us?

Speaker 6 (21:27):
I was wondering, I've been watching Bray Whatt for a while.
I'm a big fan of his, but do you think
he's losing a lot of heat because he didn't seem
like a traditional heel and I think the whole, the
whole instrance is making him into face more news the heels.
What do you think in injacent things? Yeah, good question, Jason.

(21:51):
What do you say boy Wryatt and the White family
right now?

Speaker 3 (21:53):
I mean, I think Luke Hawfer getting back was a
good move. But yeah, anyway, where do you see them?
Where do you see them in the big picture?

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Well, I think this is probably a pro a program
that goes beyond SummerSlam. I don't know that they add
Sting at the last minute next week, or you know,
add tag partners for that. It looks like the tag
match is pretty well established. They could, but I think
it's a long shot. So I'm guessing maybe Knight of
Champions or they're saying, you know that maybe this continues,

(22:23):
maybe the Wyatt family gets to win this time due
to some nefarious means, somebody interferes a new Wyatt family member.
I don't think Eric Rowan's going to be healthy enough
to do much, and that would set up the need
for maybe them to get some help for next month.
So that's why I'm kind of questioning whether we see
Sting actually in the ring at this pay per view.
But as far as I think the emphasis is going

(22:44):
to be on Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose, I think
they come out of they win this program, really Bruce,
because history says everyone who fused with Pray Wyatt ends
up if they mean anything they end up winning the program.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, that is true. But you know, I think the
idea is he's an or you know, he's a cult leader,
so he can win or he can lose, but he
stays in that same place and there's not you know,
there's not a lot of heat with him. I don't know,
it's like he does. He does those weird interviews that
seem really cool, but as you've heard them, you've heard them,

(23:17):
and then I wonder whether the reason for this feuse
anybody but Roman reigns. Isn't it too isn't a little
too much on the nose for him to get heal heat?
In other words, there's a lot of people that feel
that way, that that that that it's that strange. There's
this huge loyalty to the W, to the W brand.
You know, it's transferring to n x C. Nxt is

(23:39):
the cool indie promotion, except that it belongs to w
W A. But there's also this pushback against against what
they really the type of wrestlers they want. The w
wants to promote that and that if you're the corporate face.
People are so tired of John Cena, the next corporate
face is them and Range and they're not happy with

(24:01):
that either, and so using that reality in the booking
may have you know, I think kind of took away
some of the weirdness of bray White and people people
still are rooted for him. And then there's you know,
the gimmick of the gimmick of holds your phone lights
up and and all that. That's a that said, a
hero's gimmick, not a villain's gimmick to go along with

(24:24):
the cult. It's like, oh, this is fun to do.
I don't really hate him. I don't really love him.
This is just something fun to do during the wrestling show.
And it may sound weird, but I think that kind
of gets in the left a lot of times.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
And it was a hell of a lot more effective
before bre Wyatt doing it than it was at Triple
A on Sunday Night when they tried to do something similar.
I think they've done it first, but I don't want
to take anything away from him, but they kind of
made it seem like it's a tradition down there. Not
many people compared to the whole firefly thing that they
go for bray White, we're joining in it. On Sunday Night,
one of the many problems, probably the smallest of the

(24:59):
problems they had on that show.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, that was amazing. I mean, Triple A is you know,
Triple A twenty year history, and they played off all
their history and and and that's their wrestle Mania and
a ton you know, sixty thousand people in that arena,
and it just was, with the exception of maybe the
main event, it was as bad of the bad of
major wrestling shows I've ever seen, you know, from a

(25:21):
major company.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
It was.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
And then I don't know, I think that when you're
charging people twenty dollars or fifty dollars to watch a
pay per view show, whether it's whether it's something you
just started or that's a big emphasis for you, the
least they should be able to And maybe there's a
hypocrisy of me saying this, but the least that I'll
be able to expect is that that the technology works

(25:44):
that you can hear the announcers during the show. I
don't think that. I mean, the announcing was bad, but
I think it was made much worse by the uncertainty
of all that of the technology stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
That was.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, that was a terrible show.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
How did you hear the Heroes of Wrestling. It's been
years since they suffered through that one.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, but see, here's the thing with Heroes of Wrestle
and it was terrible, but here was a wrestling was
a one shot gig. It was someone and I'm like,
can go into names and all that, but it wasn't
exactly a major league promotion, you know. It was they
grabbed some names they got to place on pay per
view when it was easier or less expensive to get

(26:25):
up on pay per view. And it was a fiasco
because they didn't consider who they gotten and and all that.
But you know, it was a terrible it was a
terrible pay per view, but it was a one shot deal.
They disappeared right after Triple A has been you know,
Triple A Antonio Pania, late Antonio Pania has been around
for twenty years. That's been a major force. And Triple

(26:46):
Mania has is is in a lot of ways Mexico's wrestleman.
And so to see that, I think that's I think
that that's really sad that we're comparing those two. You know,
one was kind of you know, who's not send anybody here.
I don't care if I am one was you know,
a fly by Night operation. And another one is you know,
a major force in professional wrestling that was getting their

(27:08):
feet wet with you know, with an English language pay
per view, and and you know, I was just like,
it's that were Triple you know, and I'll be I've
watched Triple A over the years. I remember, you know,
you know, a great Villanos matches, and that was as
bad a match as you'll ever see, the Vanas retirement match.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
But yes, it was, you.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Know, I just thought, and you know, I also just
think there's sometimes and I've seen this with legend shows,
but it's not such a big deal when you in
front of five hundred people and the Powers of Pain
or a wrestling in twenty fourteen, and it stinks. It's like, well,
you know, it's it's a nostalgia show. We'll get through it.
But it's but when you're retiring these really big deals,

(27:51):
sometimes the best I think sometimes the best thing to
do to show a highlight video and have them come
out in a suit and their mask and shake hands
and give them plats and send them on their I mean,
I just think that I just thought that that was
really not a good idea, and then they you know,
I don't know it was you know, you and I
talked about this off the air, but they they honored
too many They honored too many folks from the past

(28:13):
for a new audience that may have been sampling their
their payer. You and I know that like the vast,
the vast impetus of what they were trying to do
was for their fans in Mexico, and it was you
know that that the pay per view was something of
an afterthought. But still, if you're going to do it,
you do something better than that. And you, you know,

(28:34):
you sit there, you know, see see miss Tackle how
whatever mistic is calling himself now Stin car Versus Ray.
You know, that was pretty good, but then it became
an overbook mess too, and then you know, Alberto Alberta
de Patron I just thought was he was good. I
thought he was good. But Brian Cage was the type

(28:56):
of wrestler we used to see in like the early
nineties who got the job because he was so heavily muscled.
People thought that those are the tough of guys in
the world. And the world has changed since that he
was I didn't think he was very good at all,
so that you know, a lot of that didn't help.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
It was a rough, rough night. Maybe we'll talk more
about that in the after show. Unles somebody brings it up.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, okay, I.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Had a chance to talk about that. So I'm kind
of getting my think back un into the being on
the live.

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Speaker 3 (30:09):
Instead of four seven eight four seven eighty that song
PW toors loscast the Real from Georgia. Real good to
hear from you. How are you doing?

Speaker 8 (30:18):
I got a couple of questions. One just to tie
in with the triple A. With Triple A with the
showing showing the paper view showing so bad, by not
what was in the being a whole lot were doing
within the wing with the quality of the show showing
on the pay per view, did you think that hurt

(30:40):
them for a little while? And my second question is
is the the heat coming from the NXT takeover, how
they sold out and it's becoming bigger and bigger every
time they throw something. If this something that can go
under the belt for Triple H and Stephanie as showing
that they can run a ptisical operation. That's my first

(31:03):
two questions. I have one more. I just want to
hear you know who.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, briefly, I think I think you know Triple A.
It's this wasn't a big move for them. This was
something that they figured they already are televising the show.
Just to put it that they got a good deal
to put it on pay per view, didn't cost them
a whole lot. Clearly, it didn't put a whole lot
of money into the English the English announcers US of

(31:32):
Innovention and Matt Striker at least in the production values
of it. And so I don't know, I mean, I
don't know that they announced another paper. You will see
whether they do it. They may just forget it with
the with the bad reaction to this, I would say
they're just watching that they need to get there, get
the house back in order for the for their mainstream fans.

(31:53):
As far as as far as the n x T,
that's really an interesting question. That's really an interest and
questions as what's your take on selling out the Barkley
Center not before summer's laint.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
That's very impressive, you know. I think there's obviously a
tremendous buzz when it comes to n XT. I don't
know other than like Chicago, if you brought that to
the Midwest, you know, for instance, or even where they
were last night, Pacific Northwest. I don't know that it
has so much buzz that it's going to sell out,
you know, thirteen thous I don't know it's going to

(32:26):
sell thirteen thousand tickets in some in most markets, but
it's very impressive. I think it is a feather in
the cap of Triple H on a number of levels,
including the fact that I give him credit for this.
Maybe they haven't been able to develop the greatest homegrown talent,
if you will, but he went out there and acquired
the best available talent, and I think that you can

(32:51):
look at it as a knock against him and in
the developmental side of things that they just haven't been
able to develop that many people on their own. But
I look at that as a positive of that he
at least went out there and did that, you know,
he he knew how to make a splash with this.
I don't does Stephanie McMahon deserve any real credit for this.
I mean, I know they're trying to tie in with

(33:11):
the divas, and yeah, she shows up and they've fallen
over her when she's at the NXT Live specials, But
I don't think she's really involved in this.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, I agree with
a lot of what you're saying and that, Yeah, I mean,
it is a coup.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I think.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
I think to go from selling two hundred and three
hundred tickets really quickly to selling out the Barclay Center,
and I think they've they found something that they can
do for these to make these major events even more major,
is to identify the shows like russell Mania and SummerSlam
that people travel for and then the first chance in

(33:49):
New York City where they're really strong to go ahead
and make this move, you know, and you know, so
now that the people are traveling, They're not just traveling
for that show on Someday night. Now they'll be traveling
for the show on Saturday night. And if you if
you spend that money, if you if you know, if
you spend that money to fly in, if you if

(34:09):
you're looking to spend money, you know, fan access and
all the other things they do for SummerSlam and you know,
particularly for WrestleMania, then yeah, NXT is sitting right there.
Wouldn't you want to go see the cool show with
the cool wrestlers. Yeah, I think that's I think that is.
I think that's a real move, you know. And I
think it's also instead of just giving up part of

(34:33):
that week to Ring of Honor and to evolve and
I'm talking about WrestleMania here here, but giving it up
to other companies who come and kind of attack themselves
to to a big w W show and to the
to the type of fan who's willing to spend a
ton of money to go to that show. Just go
ahead and get as much money as you can out

(34:54):
of w is doing a good job of super serving there,
for lack of a better term, hardcore fans. They're they're
you know, the fans that live and die with them.
But there still is the challenge of either taking these
top independent wrestlers who have learned their trade somewhere else

(35:15):
and getting them into the mainstream of of of the
main roster. And they're doing that, you know, I mean,
they're they're doing that. They're not you know, vins Man
I think is patient enough with Kevin Owens or or
or anybody. But they haven't shown, with the exception of
Seth Rollins, they can put somebody in that main event.
But they are doing that, but they still need to

(35:36):
figure out ways to work guys into the mix. And
one of the things I'm really interested to see in
that show at the Barclay Center is that fan base,
that huge crowd when that green developmental wrestler comes out
that's not from owen Jet, you know that that that
could really benefit from working in front of a crowd.

(35:57):
Does that? Is that crowd savvy enough to go, this
is a developmental guy, and we'll give him some slack
and see how he's doing and see how it's progressed.
Are they gonna boom out of the building. Are they
going to crush the guy before he ever gets started,
and you know that's that's gonna be. There's gonna be
a lot of pressure on those NXC you know those

(36:17):
real printings.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Well, I think we're seeing that with a guy like
Baron Corbyn right now. I that I mean, he's gonna
get the react. It's going to work. Yes, they're going
to boo him because he's probably facing Samoa Joe. But
if he were so it's it's probably smart booking to
have him in that match. But if he was just
facing another NXT talent, and even if they wanted him
position as the baby face Bruce, I do think that

(36:39):
that crowd would turn on him.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Yeah, I agree, I mean it's so. I mean, and
I think that the crowd is that's a different type
of crowd, that's a performance base. This is awesome. You know,
we're soaching in the atmosphere. X is the cool place,
and I think they'd be I think I think they
would be well served for their own entertainment to know
when the Brian Corbyns are coming out, and know when

(37:03):
the Finn Bowers are coming out and the Kevin Owens
are coming so you know, you know that there's I mean,
you know we've all been. You know, if you've been
a wrestling fan long enough, even with main even with
Major League Wrestling promotions, in the undercard matches, you're always
going to get some new talent, and some of them
are gonna be green, some of them are gonna show
some potential but be missing something and and you can

(37:27):
you know, you know, that's part of developing, particularly when
there's nowhere else to go. And and you know NXT,
I mean, I don't know that. I mean, clearly they're
gonna make money on XT, you know, a week from Saturday.
But nx T is not there primarily to be a
revenue driver. It's there too. It's there to set up

(37:48):
stars for the next level. And you're gonna you know,
it's it's going you know, it's going to be it's
going to be interesting.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
And then also if that huge crowd is is into
the NXT zyegees in other words, that's doing all the
chance they're they're life at full sell University stuff. It's
a much bigger crowd that's going to tell us something
about how how many people are watching NXT on the
network and exactly how cool that is.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
So you know, you know, one thing to remember, This
isn't going to be a traveling crowd too. You know,
this isn't just one area specifically. This is you know,
it's the East Coast. You're gonna get a lot of
people traveling in for it, and those are the diehard fans,
and so I do think you're going to get that
type of crowd where maybe if you did this show
in you know, at rip Washington where they were last night,

(38:37):
you would definitely get a smaller sam. It would still
be the hardcored, but it would be much smaller.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Oh yeah, I definitely agree. I think that you marry
that you don't do an NXT show for all twelve
Sunday night shows, you know, Saturday night. Just figure out
which shows really do have? Do people travel for the
roll Rumble? If they travel for the Roll Rumble and
you're in the right market, you're in that New York market,
You're in that you know, you're, as you said, Chica
market during you marry an x T show to it.

(39:03):
But but you start looking to looking to do that
more and more. I think, and you know that I'm
you know, I've had my I've always tried to look
an XT for what it is and not just that
cool factor. And you know the numbers and all that,
and if you look at the numbers, the Barclay number
is impressive. That's that's a move that we haven't seen.

(39:26):
I've seen wrestling promotions go from go from normal to
too hot to even hotter and move up and you know,
and move up and how attendance, how intendance grows and
you know, this is the first time in a long
time we've seen that. So it's impressive. And then just
the irony of they're the cool you know, the w

(39:47):
E promotes the cool endie.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Group is right.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
I got a big kick out of that. That's that's
really something, darl you said you had a third question.

Speaker 8 (39:56):
Yeah, my third question is a tians all of it
part question. The first part, now with that his t
show the night before and Finn Balor is headlining in
I guess because he's the champions last match. If he
goes out and kills it, we'll just make them push
him faster to come up to be their next babyface
if they're having a slack with John Cena, to push

(40:19):
him up to come up faster if he goes out
and kills it. And the second part of the question
is under night scene, like WWE was realizing that they
made maybe made a few mistakes with giving John Cena
and Seth Wallis together taking their hottest commodity. The US
title was so hot, Is could have continued to build

(40:41):
it and making a strong mid mid card title and
just go ahead and start trying to build up the
main event. Seeing the Seth Wallace off to the side,
just do that slow grind And do you think after
Summer Slam that they're going to do a whole reset
of the just their whole thinking of everything and just
try something new, what different?

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah? Cool? There's a lot too that I don't know.
Finnbal Are winning and beating Kevin Owens and having a
great performance will help him in NXT. Definitely will help him,
But I don't know that that means that he becomes
the heir to the next babyface move. There's a lot

(41:23):
more to He's got the great interest, he's got the
cool costume. He's a great wrestler, but he's small for them.
And do they use him in a top spot? Do
they use them like they use you know, like they
use Neville. We'll see. I don't know that that means
that he's automatically coming right right to the main roster. Jason,
what do you think?

Speaker 4 (41:44):
I don't. It's a tricky one though, because I all,
when it comes to Vince McMahon, you would think, hey,
all this money from NXT is going in his pocket.
Why wouldn't he be happy it's his son in laws
that that's getting so much credit for this. There's a
massive ego there, and I'm sure Triple H has to
tap dance around that ego as much as possible. And
if Vince sees like the crowd is just going wild

(42:07):
for print, not I was gonna say Prince David, but
Ben Valor, who knows.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
You know.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
I mean, I think Triple H would like to keep
Valor as his centerpiece realistically as long as he can,
you know. I mean he doesn't want I don't. I
don't think he wants to. The guy's thirty four years
old already. That's one thing to keep in mind, and
so it's not like he's a twenty seven year old
guy where you can just go, ah, you know, hey,
we can keep him at the NXT level. We'll commit

(42:35):
to him as like being the face of this brand
for another two three years and then we'll call him up.
He's still got all this time left. He's thirty four,
and I he he's made it seem like he wants
to stay where he is for a while. He's got
unfinished business. He's very content where he is. But I
just wonder if I'm not saying like, if he goes
out there and allows him on that Saturday night, that

(42:57):
look more him on Raw the next week or anything
like that. But I do wonder if Vince is going
to see something he likes there. I mean, he saw
that gimmick in person WrestleMania weekend with the whole demon thing,
and I'm surprised he wasn't so wowed by it that
he wasn't making that push then to get this guy
up on the main roster. But I just wonder, Bruce,
what do you say, come WrestleMania time, or even like

(43:19):
the night after WrestleMania, it's fin Valor up on the
main roster. Then yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Think that's more realistic. I think that that may come down.
But it's also he's not the size that Vince likes.
I'm not convinced he's the size that Triple H likes.
On the main roster to be a top guy, and
you know, and I think that that's that's part of it.
And also, you know, I also think at n x T,
you can be the great wrestler and the costuming is cool,

(43:45):
but also I think there needs to be more to
the character. I think there's needs to be a talking element,
there's a promo element there and a purpose. What does
all that costuming mean? What does all that How does
all that tie together to make you know, to make
a strong character that has more to him? And I
think that's you know, that's that's part of it. W

(44:08):
does not push that, you know, like NXT right now
is a wrestling title. That guy's the champion because he's
a great innering worker, and that's not all of what
w W wants good to great entering work with their champions,
but they want some more to it too. So yeah,
I think, I think but I agree with you. I

(44:28):
think it's much more realistic to think towards you know,
towards WrestleMania. And then interestingly enough with n x T
having you know, Triple H getting praised and his ego too.
Uh and and you know there's some things that are
an odds here with Triple H and mister Man right now. Interestingly,
enough with this stuff, but if you know, does you know,

(44:50):
I don't think n x T is treated like ov
W used to be or ov W. You know that
guys would just get called up all of a sudden
and and leave ob W in the you know, leave
Ohio Valley rustling the old development in the Larch with
whatever storylines they were doing. Sure, I don't think Triple
Edge is going to be interested in having all these

(45:11):
handpicked top indie workers got all of a sudden to
the main roster and leave NXT with just the development
metal workers, or leave NXT in a place where for
a month or two they not having very good Russia.
You know, that's a real interesting you know, how does
this work? Where does this go? So we'll see with that.

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Speaker 3 (46:14):
As far as the part of after summerstime, do we
see a big reset? I don't think we're going to
see a big reset. I think WW is doing what
they're going to do, for better or for worse for
a while, whatever the right to say.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
I don't see any major change there. No, I don't
know what would prompt it. I think they're pretty satisfied
with where the rat as far as the SummerSlam lineup
is concerned. And yeah, Taker and Lesner both presumably go
away right after this. But I still think they have
things they can do with scene and wrong and I
just I think they're I don't think they're going to

(46:47):
look at it. I don't think they see a need
for it, Bruce E. But I think the thing that
may prompt it isn't going to be well we're after SummerSlam.
Let's kind of do a post WrestleMania type shift. I
think it may be holy crap football seasons here. Look
at our viewership numbers once that starts in September.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Right, So yeah, that that's that's so, and that's something
they should be very much thinking about in the preseason.
By the way, did you see that dead Spend feature
on my Minnesota Vikings yesterday.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
That we lead the league.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
The dead spind the dead spend dot com feature on
the Minnesota Vikings yesterday?

Speaker 4 (47:25):
No, but I know we lead the league in a
rest in the last five years. We're finally number one.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Bruce, all right, there you go. I mean you should
look that up. You and Wade both I got a
big kick out of it. So it's one in a series.
But the Minnesota Vikings will feature. Yes, I think you'd
enjoyed Will and you know me, So I think you
know where this is two and you're up. That's p
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Speaker 4 (47:54):
And I.

Speaker 9 (47:57):
Cardinal.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Okay, what's what you got, Carl.

Speaker 9 (48:01):
I just got it's goning to get out of the opinion.
As far as the main event picture goes uh with
Jona being questionable, would it be kind of a good
idea to do sort of a triple threat thing between Czarro,
Rallins and Owens And then if Johnsna comes back next

(48:23):
month dude at the Cavy Universus Champion then and is
that way you kind of establish the other two into
the main event picture as well?

Speaker 3 (48:32):
You know, I think we've got an answer for that, Jason.
I think we got a strong answer to that question
last night on RAW. I think that the I think
the backup plan and it may and maybe the John
Cena is the backup plan now, but I think the
backup plan is Randy or is Randy Orton. And and
you know, as as much as I would like to
see someone new, and I really would Randy Orton, I

(48:55):
think Randy Orton is a very good performer that I'm
tired of seeing for years. I have the been feeling
I have about him do sometimes with John Cena, and
but and it'd be cool to see Savarrow in that place,
or cool to see Kevin Owen's in that place. I
think Randy Orton. What they did last night with Randy
Orton worked. I think it kind of gave him a
little more, a little more fire to where he is

(49:18):
in the storyline. I thought, you know, I thought that
built him up last line.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
You know, I I would love to see a four
wave with you know, the guys in the triple thread added,
But I don't think it's happening. If anything, I think
if there's any type of multi person match, I'm with
Bruce on this. I think it's a singles match with Orton,
I've seen it can't go, But what about Seamus in
a triple threat only because that seems to be you
know they It's like if if seeing it can't go,

(49:43):
it looks like Orton moves into the title picture. If
he can't, then he has yet another match with Seamus
versus you think there's any chance to go triple thread
with Seamus and Orton both challenging seth Rowins.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
I think that weekends. I mean, I'm one of the people.
Unless you've got a very good reason to have a
triple threat un Less, unless the storylines that built and
built and built, and all of a sudden you're presented
with I see how all that came together. It's very
good booking, and and you've got good reasons, and there's
some alliances between the three and some real intrigue with everybody.

(50:17):
I think it. I think you're much better off having
a one on one match for the major title. And
that's and so I you know, and I also just
think Seamus has that Shamus seemed to get the money
in the bank briefcase because they couldn't come up with
anybody else, and because he's one of those guys that's
on scholarship and he's big. They like, he's got a

(50:37):
unique look, they like him. He's Irish, god knows, and
so you know he's gonna get and and you know,
you know he's Irish, and there's some other guy that's
getting over from Ireland too, but it has no seems
to have no connection. And it's funny how it works.
I mean, it's not just that you're Irish, but but

(50:57):
but he gets chance after a chance. But besides from that,
they didn't seem to have any real path, you know,
real obvious or even not so obvious path to go
with with Seamus and and the money in the bank briefcase.
I mean, I don't know what, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
If they haven't, I think they panicked I really think
they wanted and I don't know this to be true,
but I think it's a popular theory. And that's when
I subscribe to that. They were going to go with
Rains and it was just so obvious that they pulled
the plug and went with Shamus to scurb everyone not
bothering to think of. But what do we do once
we put the money in the bank with Shamus? And

(51:31):
so I think it is a mess. It's kind I
mean last night, yeah, there was a buzz when he
threatened to cash it in, but it wasn't what you want.
No one is sitting around at home anxious to see
Shamus cash in the money in the bank. Briefcase. That's
that's that's a that's a real problem this year.

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this book, But what do you what are you hearing
about what he says? And we have to talk about this,
but I thought he was used very well last night
to set up Shamus and to set up that in

(52:54):
to put some life in the Intercontinental title.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Match for for Ryeback.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Yeah, for Roan? Would I say seamous Roger?

Speaker 4 (53:05):
I mean the latest is what he's put out there
publicly that he's been cleared medically by his doctor. WWE
doctors a little bit more reluctant. He was targeting SummerSlam.
Now he says, it's more like God, what did he say?
I wasn't Survivor Series. I think it was it was
the Royal Rumble, which is the last thing w W

(53:25):
should want if they're not going to have him win
the Royal rumble prouts. If I tell you what if
that's what it is, if he's ready at the Royal Rumble,
I just say, you know what, Daniel, We're gonna give
you a nice paydaya to just take that night off
and we'll reintroduce you the night after the Rumble.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Yeah, oh god, yeah, yeah, I so agree. The last
thing you want three years in a row of the
ghost of Daniel Ryan hovering over the Royal rump. I mean,
you know, it's like just yeah, yeah, you know, give
him an invitation to the White House or just something
where you go, well, he has to go there.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
You know, that would tell that we will be during
the Royal Rumble. We will be having a live interview
with Daniel Bryan from his home in Phoenix. So that
way nobody thinks that he's going to be there.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Right and yeah, yeah, he's outside chopping wood or something.
It's like, come on. Yeah. So from the from reading
the book, I mean, there was some insight into into
Brian's character. I mean, he is definitely an artist, he
you know, and I'm always I think that I think
this book I want to go into a long thing

(54:32):
about it, but I think this book is this generation's
Mick Foley have a nice day. In that Mick Foley
opened a door and showed away for a lot of wrestlers,
for example Balt Mahoney, but a lot of wrestlers who
thought they didn't have a way to be in the
wrestling business, or to or to Maine event in the
wrestling business, to have those kind of aspirations. He showed

(54:55):
them away by being able to take punishment and being
able to you know, and and being able to take
a beating and take a chair take many chair shots
and do dangerous stunts and all that, and they thought
that was there, that that was their way to go
through the business. At some point they were right, but
they couldn't match Nick Foley in that. I don't think
Foley understood that he had fully had as much charism

(55:18):
as he had and that his timing and some other
things that he had, his timing in the ring and
his ability to talk were really strong for him and
that that helped him get to the very top. And
you know, I think Daniel O'Brien would have been you know,
you read that book and you see really really obviously
Daniel Brian his book that he would have been very

(55:38):
happy to wrestle and make a living and wrestle top
matches and not really worry about anything else. And the
things broke the way they did, and that he's into
the art of the match even more than making the
big money or you know, being a big star. And
I think he underest to make his own charisma too,

(55:59):
and his own the things that he did that really
made him a top star. I think he buys in
a little bit too. I mean he has you know,
you saw it last night when he comes out and
he's smiling. People love the guy. And if they love him,
they love him. That's that's the get factor. That's charisma,
and it's worked, you know, and some things have worked,
you know, some things have come together for him. But

(56:20):
I also think, you know, through the book, he talks
about choices that he made in matches that turned out
to really hurt him physically that he wished that he
had gone back and done. And I think he has
that drive to get back in the ring, and they
have that drive not to. I think it's I'm happy
to hear that the WV is being cautious with him,
but I wonder, like I wouldn't I wouldn't trust Daniel

(56:43):
Bron to be his own judge as the win to
get back into the ring. I mean, that's the one
thing I kind of you know, that's the one thing
I really thought. And the ww is just in a
place the way a lot of major sports are with concussions,
and then particularly since they they choose a lot of
what Rustler's do, they've got to be very cautious now

(57:04):
with that. So I don't know. I mean, I'm still
I'm still is he coming back or is he not
coming back? And I don't know that his own doctors
saying that is enough.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
That yeah, I mean, it's it's clearly not enough right now.
The thing I found very interesting was Daniel Bryan, you know,
and I don't know that it will ever come to this,
but in I wish I could remember which interview he
did this with. I don't know if it was with
Bryan Fritz or somebody else, but he said that he
basically made it clear that he's told them he is
getting back in the ring, basically implying whether it's w

(57:36):
WE or not, he will be getting back in a
wrestling ring. So if they won't clear him, he, you know,
something to keep an eye on. Now it's most guys
you just think, well, it's.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
W w E.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
They're the big game in town. And if they make
them a sweet enough offer to just go ahead and
you know, be the tough enough judge, be the you know,
do all these things on the side. They don't want
him to wrestle, but they'll pay him to, you know,
kind of be an ambassador whatever. Maybe cooler heads prevailed.
But that artist thing in him first, I think he
means that and I could see him following through on that.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
That concerns me too, I mean, that really does. And
then I think I think that I think that he's
opened the door to the to really getting hope to
the artist type. And I see a real sea change
in independent wrestlers and that they're much more you know,
they're much more about being very professional, really learning their craft,
and if they make it to the main roster, great,

(58:31):
But if they're willing to beat up their body and
take the and not get paid that much, as long
as they get a chance to as long as they
get a chance to to perform in front of some
people and get some and get some glory and get
some acclaims. So yeah, I worry about that. I think
you're very much right that I think he would walk
away if he thought I want to wrestle, he would

(58:51):
walk away from WWE and go somewhere else for less money.
And and and that also you know, ask less of
him as far as like Proude that you you know,
proved that you can get into the ring and would
take advantage of that. And that's that's that's kind of disturbing.
We'll see, you know, we'll see when that's what it.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
Is real quick, Bruce, How crazy is it that it's
the wrestling side, the wrestling promotion doctors going and not
so fast when it's the mainstream doctor going out. You're clear.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
It's really interesting, and it's really different because most of
the time it's been you know, promotions make their money
on their stars in the ring, you know, and and
in the ring tonight and suck it up and get there.
And you know, tradition for one hundred years in professional
wrestling when it came to a concussion was suck it up,
shake it shake it off, get back into the ring.
And I think we've seen generations of wrestlers, you know,

(59:45):
the wrestling that you grew up with in the aw A.
You look at you look at you look at those
guys from the seventies. There was a lot of them
that had dementia problems as they passed away or have
them now, and it's you know, and so yeah, that's
that's interesting, and that's that's concerning. And I think but
I think that also the fact I think it's a
good thing that W is doing that is is for

(01:00:08):
whatever reason it may be that you know, it may
be that that that we're going to see a different
type of wrestling, a more safe type of wrestling, and
then the stars are protected. And then also that if
they can't, you know that if there's there's a tipping
point with concussions, they're just not going to be let
back into the right you know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
And you mentioned the A W A guys, and that
that just jumps out, I mean, because yeah, I mean,
they had their share brawler type, but this wasn't E
c W hardcore or just you know that era of
hardcore chair shots to the head every night, that sort
of thing. Those guys buying large Compared to what these
guys do today, we're working a very safe style and

(01:00:49):
so you compare, I mean, just think about some of
the guys that are that aren't having these issues now,
weren't doing a fraction of what some of these guys
are doing every week on Raw that we see. I'm
sure they work in a little more toned down style
on the house shows, but where's it going to be?
I mean, thank god they have they've gone ahead and

(01:01:10):
they now have the ability to scan from brain injuries
and things like that. But it really does make you
worried about what are some of these guys going to
be like fifteen, twenty thirty years down the road.

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Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
No it very much does, and and even you know,
and and before that, since that, now we know, you know,
now we know that the damage can be pretty quick.
And you know, there weren't taking you know, the plan
table stunt bomps, and you know, there's a lot that
in the nineties that they tone back on. But still
the ladders, the you know, the tables, the the announcer table,

(01:02:39):
things that the leaps and and the falls and all that.
It's just it's a part of just every match is
part of the mid card and part of the top
matches that you know with fans, except to tone back
more more of a more of a trading of holds,
to stay away from the blows to the head. I
don't know, I mean, that's it's gonna be. It's gonna

(01:02:59):
be a but yeah, I have I'm holding my breath
for these generations that came past the seventies, in the eighties,
a lot you know, the eighties and the nineties, there's
there's a substantial part of that generation that's already passed.
It's already gone. But and but you look at you know,
you know, you look at Roddy Piper, and Roddy Piper
lived like you know, you burn the candle at both ends,

(01:03:21):
that old cliche. But he but he also took a
beating in the ring. But there was a lot of
time when he was out of the ring, and there's
a lot of matches where he didn't and you could
tell cognitively differences in him as the years, as the
years went by. So it's it's there. Yeah, I mean,
it's the one thing you really do like Daniel Bryant.

(01:03:42):
I mean, and part of I think that I think
he's authentic, like last night, his enjoying of what he
was doing and and and be there, he's just an
he's now just this really natural baby face. And he
comes across as a good guy, and he comes across
as a good guy in the book. And I don't
think that's fake or phony, but yeah, you do, you know,
But yeah, you definitely get the idea that I'm going

(01:04:03):
to wrestle, I'm going to do my I'm going to
do my r and I'm going to I'm going to
take some real chances to some real risks that aren't
that smart, because it'll because I want to have the
great match, not the money making match, but the great match.
And that's a subtle difference, but it's a it's a
big difference.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Well, and one of the little things Bruce too that, well,
it's a big thing. Actually. One of the things he
was writing about in the book that he toned down
were the head headbutts spots that he was doing with
Nigel McGinnis and looking back on that and both guys
wishing they had never done that. And what was Daniel
Brian doing with Seamus right before he suffered that injury? Bruce,
I mean, it's it's crazy to read that, and he's

(01:04:42):
he's talking about how he regrets it from way back when,
and after he writes this book, he's in there doing
the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Yeah. Well, sometimes you need somebody to tell you no,
it's you know, it's like your push, you know, you know.
I mean, here's a guy, Daniel Briann, too small to
the us to that, but he worked really hard and
he had the talent and he didn't take no for
an answer, and he got rewarded for that. So yeah,
he's gonna put he's going to push boundaries still to

(01:05:13):
get what he's looking for for his art. But sometimes,
you know, sometimes you just sometimes you need someone, a
family member or someone professionally to say no. And it
looks like w right now is saying no. And then
there's also the there's also the part of this which
is w B never wanted him. Management, never was comfortable
with him being at the top of the car, and

(01:05:35):
they came up with a lot of excuses why and
one of the one of the excuses that they used
was that he's small, and and then that small guy's
honors durable those big guys. So you wonder where there's
some self fulfilling prophecy where you know, if there was
one of their you know, someone that was on scholarship
or someone for lack of a better term, or someone

(01:05:56):
that they really wanted to be at the top of
it was a Roman range or something, it's like, no,
get back. If it's John Cena, no get back in
the ring. If it's well, if it's Daniel Brian, well
we told you you know you were too, you were
two there. If there's a little bit of that too,
so because we've seen you know, as long as the
decisions made to protect to protect the athletes don't come

(01:06:20):
from an independent place, there's going to be temptations. There's
gonna be political temptations that are a lot stronger when
it's the management of the wrestling, the wrestling promoter, restling
promotion making those decisions. That's you know, and needing money
and needing guys to work and maybe not wanting other
guys not to work. Anthony also said also want just

(01:06:42):
on his book. I'm loving it, particularly the audiobook from Audible.
I can't recommend it enough. It's great here in Daniel
Brien's voice telling us a story. Finally, just wanted to say,
this is the note that thing's pretty interesting. I just
wanted to say that the Sydney Australia Chef and the
XT Live panel with sin Valor Neville and Emma was fantastic.
If you get a chance to go to one of these,
you won't regret it. And Nicky Bella was extremely nice

(01:07:03):
to my daughter at the airport. She spotted her out
and came to us and tried for about ninety seconds
to coast the shyness and a smile out of my
daughter to no available. It was still amazing considering the
big crowd.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
That was there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Which customer service goes a long way, particularly you know
in kind of fake he kind of the fake heel way.
Another question about Daniel brat people thinking about Daniel brian
and the Royal Rumble. I think the Royal Rumble is
going to be I think it's gonna be associated with
Daniel brien forever. It's gonna take a long time to

(01:07:36):
get over that. I mean, you know, and I definitely understand,
I really do. I mean I think that that's I
think that that's definitely Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Is there a scenario where if they want a heel
to win the rumble where you think they could pull
it off where they actually had Daniel Briant be the
guy that he'll eliminates at the end or was it
would it just beat on the company, not heat on
the heel.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
I think it'd be heat on the company. Yeah, I
think that would make people really mad, to tell you
the truth. I again, yeah, I think people would get
ticked off. I mean that, I mean it kind of
makes me work. I mean it's almost like you kind
of wish they'd do it, but just to see the reaction.
But no, I mean, I'm not that evil. I think

(01:08:22):
that that I think that that'd be like they they
you know, I think I think you get into the
heat of Lucy and Charlie Brown and Lucy, you know,
Lucy being the promotions those of you who didn't grow
up a Peanuts the comic strip that every year there'd
be one strip where Lucy the bossy little girl would
convince Charlie Brown that she was going to let him
kick the football and she put she'd put the football

(01:08:45):
up on her toe and he would go to kick it,
she'd pull it away and he's fall on his butt,
and and every year it happened. It was like so
the last two years, yeah, I would think that I
was thinking the other way, which is just just if
Daniel Brin's back and he's okay, uh this year or
next year, you know somewhat you're soon just do the
Daniel Briant roll Rombell. Put him in the seton, you know,

(01:09:07):
put him in the second or put him in first,
and announce it beforehand so that people get the idea
that the odds are against him and winning, and that
he's going to win. And then just have it be
a Twitter for as everybody seeds Daniel Bryant, and then
you go to WrestleMania with him if he's he's there.
But I you know, I don't know. We didn't talk
about this a ton, but I really like how he

(01:09:28):
and this set up Seamus and big show right right, yeah,
right back. I just thought that was really well done
and a lot of excitement there. And it's how you know,
to me, it's how to use ryback, which is to
feed me more thing, which is the imitation of gold.
You know him, you know when he's used, he's out

(01:09:50):
there kicking ass. And I've liked this lately too. I
think this has been the phony Hollywood star. I think
he's really I think he's really come along away from
what seemed to be an impossible place where he was
just the worst, and now he's now he's a good
mid card act. I don't think he's ever gonna be
a main event player again, because I mean, this whole

(01:10:11):
thing is he's an illusion man player. But I thought
he did a good job with that stuff. Have we
talked about the Green.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
Era, No, we haven't talked about that yet.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Yeah. I like that a lot. I mean, I think
a lot of people said that, but I really I
thought that was I thought that was the type of
thing that I've that I've wanted to see w W do.
I mean, there was some real subtle things going on
with that, But I but I like that Triple H
was not impressed with them being an act. You know

(01:10:42):
that he was an actor and.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
He and very impressed with him behind the scenes too.
But that's another story.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Oh, I will talk about that if you want to know,
if you want to.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
That's that's the gist of it right there. I just
get It's not just Triple H. There's definitely some people
in the company questioning how much of any pack in
this guy make?

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Oh wow, I did not well, how much of an impact.
I mean, I'll be the first to say, I mean,
I don't think that's the hot Green arras the highest
rated show. I mean, it's a it's a niche show.
I hear good things about it. I never seen I
don't know too many people to watch it. So but
what I liked about it was the deal with he
shouldn't have gotten in the ring. He's not a wrestler.
We're not going to sign you I'll sign the papers,

(01:11:24):
I'll sign any releases, and there's not going to be
And then the part about there's not going to be
a stuntman to differentiate between you're not one of us,
the differentiate between superstars and the rest of the world.
But this is not easy to do that. You could
get beat up. Of course they're not going to beat
him up, but it's like you could get hurt. You

(01:11:45):
could get beaten up, and the only way and then
just the I'll sign a release. Sometimes a little bit
of detail work goes a long way and making something decent.
And I didn't think it was. I mean, I think
he jumped to the ring, looked smooth and laid in
those you know, and laid in those I mean in
his forums. I thought he was you know, I thought
he was. I thought he was okay. But I had

(01:12:06):
this theory, Jason, that we're gonna end that Neville's gonna
end up in a superhero costume body.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Oh god, well, I mean, all you know, all the
imagery that they're using with him is superhero related, and yeah,
I don't know what it would be, but.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Yeah, you might be right there, Bruce, that that the
Green Arrow after gives him, you know, gives them an
ask or something, just because I mean, I just don't
see that them paying the money for all that animation
just for start Us. I could see it for start
Us as the super villain and someone else is the
superhero and that has to be a wrestler, and that's Neville.

(01:12:41):
I mean, as corny as that sounds for Neville, I
think it'd be a good place because he could use
the red Arrow finish and I don't know he would
do this, but tone down some of the flying, some
of the more dangerous stuff that he does so and
and then be that. You know, if it click, you
could sell dolls and t shirts and merchandise off of it,

(01:13:05):
and he'd make more money and actually have to do
a little bit less in the ring, because I think
right now, you know, right now, he's that Evan born
character where it's the guy that you're happy to see
that does the cool moves and gets beat and that
has you know, as far that has a that has
a ceiling as far as money that can be earned,
and has a shelf like they don't merchandise much off

(01:13:26):
of that, but they might w you might merchandise him
and and put out, you know, different different things where
he could make money with it off of off of
a decent superhero cost It could also turn into the
It could also turn into Terry Taylor, you know, and
the red Rooster. I mean if if it's a dumb
costume and it doesn't click and I don't know that,
I don't know that star does is clicking all that great?

(01:13:48):
And you know, it could it could be the kind
of thing where it's like, here's that. You know, Terry
Taylor is thought of as this, you know, a good
wrestler in the ring and someone with a lot of potential,
and then he got the wrong gimmick and for the
rest of his life you've had to hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
I had to hear about the red Rooster, the dombal
red Rooster, and you know and grit ast teeth and go, well,
it really helped me because I'm really well known for that.
It's like, you know, great, I'm really well known for
this for some bad work.

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Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Let's move on to back to the back to the
phone lines. Let's go with seven three two. You're up next.

Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
Hey, Bruce, Hey, Jason, Scott, VIP member Jamesburg, New Jersey.
How you guys do it doing good?

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Scott, Good to hear from you.

Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
It's been hard, Bruce, those Friday nights this summer. It's
start to call you guys on live cast on Friday nights.
Let's for the fall. You know I'll be called every
week and the fall is coming, but you know it is.
Let's first, let's pretend it's not first. Let's pretend it's
not chaseon Happy belated birthday.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Guys.

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
I got three another birthday.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
Jason, another one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
Yeah, I'm in that early forty zone though, so I
don't have to begin that countdown to fifty anytime soon.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Okay, this is really depressing. Move let's go on, Scott.
Let's get off the fluff.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
Let's get off the birthdays, Bruce, let's get Okay, three things.
But before I started anything, Bruce, the Rodney Tiper work
you did for VIP members the last three parts of
the Bruce Mitch Audio Show impactable. Learn so much about
Piper then take her to character and you know, I
know what you were saying with the updates. Just the
work was amazing. And by the way, thanks for answering

(01:16:08):
all three of my questions.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
That I said, Oh good, that well, that that's the
idea we were definitely we're definitely doing some service there.
So Roddy Piper, I mean, they, you know, had a
huge impact on professional wrestling business for many, many years.
And at some point I said, this is is I
don't know, one of the four or five reasons why
I'm here doing this one of the one of the

(01:16:32):
one of the most impactful from the moment I saw him.
You know, wrestlers that I am one of my big
favorites as far as his as far as his best work.
I mean, you know, Roddy Piper was something special and
was a very big deal and in wrestling history at
a very pivotal time. I mean, he he, It's he
and hul Cogan. It's not just whole Cogan, it's Roddy Piper,

(01:16:54):
who who helped who were the impetus for Vincent Man
to serve vibe and to get up and run and
be this national company that he is right now. And
you know, Robbie Piper owned in his best days, own
that run and was really something one of the great
talkers in the history of the business.

Speaker 5 (01:17:16):
Well, I got three points, guys, three questions, one Network related,
one Piper related, and one uh special related. First of all,
I'll go with this the Piper point. I always wonder
if Bruce and Jason, you know, when you and wrestlemating
want with the tag team match, and I know from
listening to history, Piper you know, would not click Hogan over.

(01:17:38):
Was there ever talk of Piper Hogan innovating Restmating two continuing.
They continued with the Piper mister t. But you know,
when you look back now twenty seven and Ever had
many years later, you know that Bundane made event was
pretty bad and with the Ever thought of going Hogan
Piper in a singles main event not restating too.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
I mean, I think the idea was and you know,
I think that Roddy Piper at the right time would
have worked to WrestleMania against Hulk Cogan and would have
lost at WrestleMania, but he wasn't going to do it
two years then and they still wanted. I mean, I
think the big thing was they had Hulk Comania really
running well, running wild as it were, and for the

(01:18:23):
second WrestleMania, and the idea was, and if you know
the history of the WrestleManias, the first WrestleMania, you know,
the company's back was against the wall. And then that
was a big success. The second WrestleMania, they ww investment
man booked too many, way too many celebrities, decided to
put it in three different locations and it and it

(01:18:47):
wasn't as much as success. It wasn't a flop by
any means, but it wasn't it didn't menim didn't carry
on and then WrestleMania three with that one main event
that just had that had been built for years and
years and years, whether on purpose or not, with the
unbeatable giant against you know, against everybody's hero and who

(01:19:09):
had never been slammed. It says he'd been slammed and
who had never been beaten. Seven defeat, but still they
had everybody's imagination because they knew Hogan was gonna win.
But this is gonna be the big, big way you
know that no one else had ever seen. They're gonna
see something special, and so that worked. But mister T.
It's hard to imagine now, you know, you see mister T.

(01:19:30):
I see a billboard mister T selling tea now. And
but people thought mister T was the real thing, and
he was a television actor that was on you know,
it was on a hit TV show, The A Team,
and those guys never worked in pro wrestling. That was way.
I mean, that was a real coup. We hadn't lived

(01:19:50):
those years of you know, Monday Night Row was hosted
by celebrity, and all these celebrities had come in and
done professional wrestling. It was really something special and the
heat in that with mister T was mister T versus
Rodney Piper, and so it made a lot of sense
to try to figure out something to do with mister
T and Piper. And Piper had a little bit of

(01:20:12):
a boxing background, and so you could use Lou Duva,
who was a famous boxing manager at the time with
Roddy Piper, and you could train, you know. The idea
was Joe Frasier would train mister T and and and
people didn't know, for example, that mister T wasn't training anywhere.
Mister T was like worried to death that, you know,
and and rightfully so if one of the wrestlers that

(01:20:33):
really had gotten older and beat him up or someone
else didn't, then his gimmick of being the toughest guy
on television would have been over. And so he was
worried about you know, he was worried about that. And
he wasn't a trained fighter. He was a guy that
he he became a television story. There was a TV
show called NBC was doing in the summer something world staff,

(01:20:55):
oh before the eighteen this is how we got the
job on the A team, And it was like, well,
toughest bouncers or something. So it was a reality show
before the reality shows with these tough guys, and he
stole the show with that mohawk and you know, his
way of talking and all that, and he was just
this guy. You know, I remember him.

Speaker 6 (01:21:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
One of the competitions was running through a door, so
he ran through the door and he got the A
Team job based off of that. And if you remember
the A Team, it was set up. He wasn't any actor,
but they had good character actors around him. They set
him up with the cool lines and so he became
you know, that became a hit show, and he became
this cultural phenomenon. So I you know, I think wrestle

(01:21:34):
Mania too. They wanted to continue Roddy Piper, and no
one thought that, you know, I think viscent Man thought
that Roddy Piper was going to quit where they go back,
you know and go to Jim Crockett Emotions or go
somewhere else. But it turned out Roddy Piper was so
good at what he did that he began getting these
opportunities to do movies, you know, the famous one being
They Lived. He got these other opportunities and Roddy Piper

(01:21:58):
being Roddy Piper and not looking at Vincent Mann as
you know, this the caesar of professional wrestling, but as
someone that was about his own age. I used this
word in honor of someone on Jason, you know, looking
at here and he you know, he he did, you know,

(01:22:19):
he he went some other places. But I think if
he just stayed down the line, we were going to see.
You know, it's the great WrestleMania that we never saw
Roddy Piper full placed heel versus hul cog and and
Roddy Piper I think would have lost at that point
if everything built the way that he wanted to. But
he was going to protect that. He was going to
protect that loss, and he was right to do it.

(01:22:41):
The idea that Roddy Piper wasn't he was. He was
much bigger as a heel than any of the other heels.
You know, King kom Bundy, King com Bundy was a
guy that was fed to hault Cogan, you know, a
monster that that could threaten hal Co was sed to
him and that was the deal and he was done
after that. Piper saw that. So we're coming to the
end of the of the lot cast posts of the show.
But what Scott, you will tell us the other questions.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
Yeah, if you could bring in Ada after show will
be awesome verse and Jason to two other points. I
just one. My two other questions were this, first, want
to hear if you have any reaction to the Click
special that they have in the network two weeks ago.
Thought that Kevin nash Pase was really cool a lot
of that backstage footage. Wants to know your opinion on that, guys.

(01:23:24):
My other thing was, Jason, I called the lot in
the June before the Beast in the East special. I
haven't really been able to call back over the last
couple of weeks, and I just wanted to know, based
on the success they had, do you foresee more of
those type of international specials where you know, with the
Undertaker being in Mexico or on the Australians where you know,
obviously that just passed something like that in the future.

(01:23:47):
As guys. I'm sorry to throw one more thing in
based on your Daniel Brian discussion. I just want to
say one more thing. I remember at the beginning of
the year, guys, Wade was talking about the you know,
with the integrates from New Japan and America, and he said,
you know who would be that one guy that can
help transcend New Japan in America. Guys, could that guy
be Daniel Bryant. If he never gets physically cleared by

(01:24:10):
the WWE doctors, could you see him being the guy
that kid go to New Japan and also help bring
that great style to more integration in the United States. Guys,
Thanks for your time. Appreciated always, and I'll be listening
to Friday. I'll try to call in. Okay, thanks guys,
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
We'll we'll talk about some of that just and I
haven't watched the Clicks special and actually was kind of
looking at doing that last night when I was playing
around with the w network after all, so I'll try
to get that in. But the other questions we can
definitely talk about. Appreciate everyone listening to the lodcast. Way
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Speaker 13 (01:26:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Boy, I hate these days of August going by. Oh
God's killing me, don't kidd so.

Speaker 13 (01:26:31):
But on the other hand, you got pro football coming up,
I got college football coming up, and there's some cool
stuff that comes along with the end of the season.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
So, and you live in the Carolina, I don't want
to hear any whining. Imagine what we go through up here.
We just should hear in county days till snow.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
You're gonna read that dead.

Speaker 13 (01:26:48):
Spin article I sent you to and then call me
up and curse me out. I mean, it's like it
is the meanest they do. They do this series. I'm
not the biggest Dead spind fan of the world. Sometimes
there's stuff I think it's just way too mean or
way too you know, too much, too much cursing and
not enough thought.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
But they did this.

Speaker 13 (01:27:06):
They did this series of articles on teams that aren't
doing so well in the NFL, and they just lay
it out about what's wrong with them. And I was
just laughing, and you know, and not having a dog
in any of these fights, I haven't cared. So it's
just like, but the Minnesota Viking one, having known you
and you and Wade Color for many years, I just

(01:27:26):
laughed my head off at it was. And then if
you read this thing, don't forget to read the comments,
because they just asked for comments from from fans of
the Vikings. Who have gripes, you know, to share, so
that stuff is just hilarious.

Speaker 4 (01:27:42):
I mean, well, you mentioned, you know, Lucy pulling the
football away from Charlie Brown up here, we just call that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
The Minnesota Vikings. Yeah, oh god, Yeah, y'all are doing something.
I mean seriously.

Speaker 13 (01:27:51):
I mean, people talk for years about the Red Sox
are about and the Chicago Cubs' is like, oh, we
need the level of a loser.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Shut up. But the Vikings, you know, to make all
to make those.

Speaker 13 (01:28:01):
Super Bowls and then never get it and then and
then have so many close calls that just didn't go
your way. And I don't know, I've been a sports
fan long enough. I just think that, like I think
that happens, and then it goes your way, and then
all that goes and then all that just kind of disappears.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
But yeah, y'all, are y'all away do something?

Speaker 13 (01:28:23):
I don't know if it's this year, and you know,
and the karma of I don't know of Adrian Peterson,
that's just.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
You know, the limped off you practice field today. By
the way, I'm sure what's yet?

Speaker 13 (01:28:34):
Oh man, Well, Cam Newton got in a fight, which
means you know that he's a tough guy and we're
gonna win the super Bowl or something.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
I don't really got.

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
Sort of the Jets quarterback he got his jaw broken
and he's out for ten weeks.

Speaker 13 (01:28:45):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta be the guy that did that. Yeah,
your your quarterback. That's not I don't know. He's gonna
get stared at for a long time. Oh he got cut. Yeah,
we do get cut.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
I don't like. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
I think it was just kind of some lower end player.
I'm guessing, but I can't say for sure. Man, So, yeah,
that was but that might be a blessing for the Jets.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Le's face. The Ginosmith's not very good.

Speaker 13 (01:29:09):
That's true. I mean the Jets. The Jets got to
mess the building. I mean, yeah, they went hard on
the Jets too. That was a funny. That was a
funny part of the series of stuff. But I don't know.
So what's the deal on the vikings of the dealing
with Adrian Peterson. If everybody can hold their nose, he's
gonna have a great year and he'll he'll gain some
character from this or and they'll make it to the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
It was one of those eight to night years.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
Well, they nationally, they have some steam. People like the
head coach a lot, and for good reason. I mean,
he handled the Peterson situation pretty damn smoothly this year,
you know, I mean he was kind of I felt
so bad for this guy. Finally gets to be a
head coach and then one of the week two he's
got to deal with the Adrian Peterson nonsense and he

(01:29:52):
really has no control over it. It's just what does
the team want to do. But you know, other than that,
this year, with Adrian trying to force his way out
and go to Dallas and all that, he really played
his hand pretty well. And so people like him as
a coach nationally. They like that this team went seven
and nine without Adrien last year, and they think that
there's a chance they could do something. You know, I mean,

(01:30:13):
I think they can finish like second in the division.
It's Green Bay Division to lose, no doubt about it.
But you know, I don't even know if second in
the division is going to be good enough to make
the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Oh wow, that yeah, because you got I mean you
got to.

Speaker 13 (01:30:27):
You gotta play in Carolina's division, Carolina Panther's Division, where
you can have a you know they they almost didn't
have a winning record and won the division last couple
of years, so hopefully, you know, you make that move.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
So and I was sorry to hear the news about
Flip Saunders.

Speaker 13 (01:30:42):
Wade and I spent some time with with coach Saunders
in the Minnesota Timberwolves. I guess I don't know if
we spent some time with it. He was about ten
feet away from us during that scrimmage a good part
of the time. You think he would have come over
and asked me, you know what, what house he should handle,
Tias Jones, But he never your son never came over.
But still, you know, I hope that he's you know,

(01:31:06):
we we got to see a scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
From pretty close up. That was that was cool this summer.

Speaker 13 (01:31:10):
But you know, it sounds like his a lymphoma is
is definitely treatable and definitely he's got a good chance
of coming through cancer for it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:18):
Yeah, he just lost his father not that long ago,
if they recall too. So, yeah, that that's a tough
timing for tough time for Flip.

Speaker 13 (01:31:25):
Yeah, and just the idea that he's running the team
and doing all doing everything you do, you know, and
and all the the general manager duties of an of
an NBA team and getting chemotherapy. That's that's a tough guy.
That's that's pretty it's pretty amazing. So we were asked
by Daniel VP member Daniel a couple of questions I
thought we'd follow up on that. One is just do

(01:31:48):
you do you think that w W is going to
look for more international shows with Beast in the East.
I mean, I I think you know, it was a
success and that when the when the quarterly sports came
that lots of people, you know, I guess within context,
but lots of people watched Beasts to the East on
July fourth weekend on w network. Do you think they'll

(01:32:11):
be looking to add some more shows like that? I
think more shows like that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
It doesn't have to be international, though, I mean, if
they certainly can make it that. But I don't see
any reason why you can't do a live special from
I mean, I don't know, fill in the city. You know,
if you want to do a live special from MSG,
for instance, next time they run there, you can build
that up. I just don't know what the expense is

(01:32:36):
competed to run in an international market compared to here.
I don't think the fact that, you know, the fact
that it was in Japan was kind of cool. But
I would have watched brock Lesnar's return to the ring,
and I think most people would have had it been
outside Japan. I don't know that it was such a
draw that you have to necessarily go outside the US.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Again, yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 13 (01:32:56):
I mean, I think I think it adds a little
something to it if you're already doing that, But yeah,
I think they ought to just they pinpoint some ways
to make a show special or even just a match
and and you know, they brought in juice and lager
for the Barclay Show the night before SummerSlam. Maybe maybe

(01:33:18):
just pick a house show, send a production crew there,
do a little special and have and have a match
that you wouldn't see on RAW, that you wouldn't see
on a on a Sunday night pay per view, and
and make that something on the network. And you know,
you know, just just chair you know, some moa, you know,
Somemoa Joe versus. You know, I'm just making this up

(01:33:38):
the top of my head, but Somemoa Joe versus John
Cena or something with something They're not going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
They're not going to do a.

Speaker 13 (01:33:45):
Program around, but just just make it a special attraction
match and go the only place to see this is
on the w network and and and then have the
match and have you know, have some wrestlers talk about it,
do a little I don't think it costs them a
lot of money to do some interviews and do you know,
you know, forty minutes of a build up, then have
the match and and go from there, or have you

(01:34:07):
know or you know or or you know, just just
cherry picks someone to wrestle someone on the main roster
that's not part of the main crew, or even bring
up someone in XT just for a moment to do that,
you know, you know right now, I mean you think
about Finn Balor, but Finn Balor's wrestled everybody on NXT,

(01:34:29):
and you know who could he wrestle on the main roster?
That would be special. But still you could you know,
you could do some things. You know, you could do
some things like that, or even you know, bring back
some legend and have them in a tag match on
you know. I mean, I just think there's there's different
ways to do that, or just pick a house show
after you've worn out the house show formula. You know,

(01:34:50):
this is what they used to do with Saturday Night
main event. After they've after they've sent the same house
show around all, you know, all over the continent. Then
the last time they do it, put it on the
you know, they've got it down to a science. Put
it on the on network and go from there, or
you know, or you know, that would be I don't know,
or they could get you know, or they could run

(01:35:12):
a show in Mexico and get Matt Stryker and Hugo
Savinavez to do just like, oh man, was that something.
I have some sympathy for those two guys, but not
a ton. I mean, they worked on Horrendouster, but they
didn't live up to.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
It at all and.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
Got a chance to get into a rhythm. But just
talking with people about it that were you know, they
even people fairly close to the situation kind of felt
like they were underprepared and right. I thought Striker did
a hell of a job on the New Japan Show.
I thought he went in. I think he really was
up for that challenge. And this time around, I do,

(01:35:51):
like you say, some sympathy because they just never got
a chance to get into a rhythm. But I didn't
feel like when they were, especially Striker, you know he was,
and his mic worked more, certainly more than Hugos did,
and I thought he had a chance to save the
show a little bit, or at least, you know, you'd
not save it, but just make it a little bit
better than it was.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
And I feel like he dropped the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
And the one piece of advice I would give him
that he probably wouldn't care to listen to, is stop
telling us how great something is going to be before
it happens. Just let it happen and react to it.
He's telling us how great the ceremony is going to be,
He's telling us how great this nine man. We're gonna
remember every guy in that big the Trio's cage thing,

(01:36:32):
We're gonna remember all their names. And when it's over,
it's just like, you lose complete credibility when it doesn't
play out the way you expect it to.

Speaker 13 (01:36:38):
That's a really good point. I mean, that's you've got
to let some of the action come to you. You've
got to let and then react to it accordingly, and
not you lose your your credibility and then stop. I
think Jim Valley said, us, but stop trying to get
your friends to pop, but try to, you know, try
to help the show. You know, it's not just it's
not just getting off a good line. And sometimes the

(01:37:01):
good line works against the show. And you know, I
don't know, I mean, I was annoyed by a lot
of what he did. I was definitely was annoyed when
I don't like the chair shots, but pointing out that
the guys have their hands up.

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
When they're getting his way of saying, okay, people like
you know, Bruce Mitchell, don't complain they're getting their hands up,
but he's just like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Shut up. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:37:22):
It's like, now you're just killing it off for you know,
they're defending themselves by putting their hands up. It's like, well,
if that really worked, it's like, why is he hitting them?
You know, it's I don't know, it's just yeah, I yeah,
that's it's you have to really hit a line just
right for it to work on a couple of levels.
And he was missing, you know, he was missing stuff

(01:37:43):
by a mile, and that, you know, that was That
was definitely you know, that was and then just it
was hard. It was not a good show. It was
tough to It's tough to have stuff to work with.
The only thing, the only thing I thought they had
really they you know, they had something to work with
with I port a double wrong. I mean, they had
the you know, they had the US versus Mexico, and
they kind of messed it up. They didn't you know

(01:38:05):
it Savinovich or Striker really didn't hit it that hard.
And then the last match they just kind of, you know,
they talked about how great it was, but it wasn't
you know, I don't know, it just wasn't it was.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
It was a tough go.

Speaker 13 (01:38:17):
I mean, I you know, I think that I think
this one, yeah, and you know he's got the out.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
But I the thing with Striker, I mean, the reputation
there is he's affordable, and you know, that's how he
ended up getting the new Japan gig. I'm sure that
didn't hurt his cause here. And so I'm you know,
I I just don't know how many more of these
ventures are going to be. And that kind of plays
into the other question, that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Was it Dan?

Speaker 13 (01:38:46):
Was that the the last call overs? Yes, No, it's yeah,
it's Scott.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
Scott.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
I'm sorry, he asked the question about Could Daniel Bryant
be the guy that that you know, really helps New
pan launch in the United States. Yes, but don't hold
your breath on this, you know, because they had a
lot of success on January fourth, in term realistic terms.
You know, it wasn't my god, they're doing WWE numbers

(01:39:14):
or anything like that, but they were very successful for
a show that aired in the middle of the night.
They did well, and people are saying that there's an
arrogance to that promotion right now. Yes, they have New
Japan World. They could be doing more to expand into
the United States. You can't tell me there's not a
reason that they couldn't be doing more to cater to

(01:39:37):
the English speaking crowd with New Japan World and just
doing more to expand over here. Could Daniel Brian be
a guy that would make them more excited about that possibility. Yeah,
it just doesn't seem to be a real priority for
them right now, Bruce, and I don't know it's not. Yeah,
I don't know that that's going to change. Even if
they get Daniel Bryan. It may lead to a number

(01:39:59):
of increase subscriptions to New Japan World, but I don't
know that it's going to change the way that New
Japan does business.

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Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
No, I don't think I don't think it is.

Speaker 13 (01:40:42):
I mean I think that I think that Daniel Brown
would be a key at a certain point, but it
would have I mean, you you pinpointed exactly what the
problem would be, which is, this is a Japanese company
that's focused on doing business in Japan, and there's three
thousand people in the United States that you know. Estimates
are that they get New Japan World and Daniel Brian

(01:41:05):
being on New Japan World without a real television platform,
without stories told on on national television in the United
States on a strong cable network. With that, you know,
even as you know, it's lots of people. And from

(01:41:26):
what I've seen that the couple of shows I've seen
on Access this is the best. They do have the
best announcing anywhere, but that's not but they don't have
but the cherry pick matches. You've got to be able
to tell a sequential story every week on a highly
rated show, and then that story needs to lead to
matches that people who are watching the show want to see.

(01:41:49):
That's an awful lot to ask for. And it's gonna
take more than it's gonna take. The company decide and
they want to do it number one, but number two,
it's gonna take more than just one. Daniel Brian fits
them to a t in a lot of ways, but
it's gonna take more than that kind of than that
one star. It's gonna take a whole it's gonna take
a whole business approach and a whole platform formed stand on.

(01:42:12):
So I don't think the way things stand that it
would that there's there's that much incentive for New Japan
to do this, I don't know that, you know. And
then Daniel Brian, how many years from now would this happen?
And then I think he would. I think he would
be fine, you know, pursuing his art in New Japan

(01:42:33):
pro you know. One of the things about that book
he gets to you get to the end of the
book and and Brian talks about w W not being
pro wrestling, but being a parody of pro wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
And I know he doesn't think that. He clearly doesn't
think that of New Japan.

Speaker 13 (01:42:47):
But and he's clearly more comfortable with just you know,
doing you know, you know, changing his style, learning new
things and using it in the ring. But yeah, I
just don't I don't see that. I don't see that happening.
I think it's it's more than just signing the right
person and deciding to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
It was, it's a whole approach. And New Japan is
not strong enough.

Speaker 13 (01:43:08):
They don't have the strong enough television in Japan to
where they're like, we've conquered, We've gotten everything we can
in Japan. Now we're going to go to the United States.
I think they're I think they appreciate being a cult,
you know, accult promotion in the United States. But they're
they're still working in Japan, and.

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
I think they they're leaving money on the table. But
if that what you're saying is the case where they
they need to focus on their business at home, that
makes that does make some sense. I would love to
see them, though, branch out, do more US English you know,
English commentary, pay per views, things of that nature, even
if it is on New Japan World. But I just

(01:43:51):
I think it's a long ways off. It just doesn't
sound like there's any sense of urgency there right now.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:43:58):
The one place I could see them, and it's going
to be really interesting in the next year or two years,
is they have this relationship with Ring of Honor, but
it's not a priority.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Yeah, maybe it's not a priority to them.

Speaker 13 (01:44:11):
It's more of a priority to Ring of Honor to
have the new japan wrestlers that Ring of Honor fans
know are great wrestlers to help with bigger shows and
special shows, particularly in New York. But WW looking to
I guess the word is compete, squelch.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
I don't know, but to compete with Ring of Honor.

Speaker 13 (01:44:30):
And to push them out if if New Japan started
supplying more wrestlers to let's say n x T.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
That's where I think there's.

Speaker 13 (01:44:41):
Something interesting going on with New Japan and North America.
Where do they Where do they see themselves with Ring
of Honor? Where does Ring of Honor see them?

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Does? Does w W does?

Speaker 13 (01:44:52):
Does Triple H make it a priority bring in more,
you know, to keep the high quality of work in
the ring and that that style fits. Does he use
that to bolster NXT and also take a chunk out
of Ring of Honor? Because let's face it, w WWE competes.
They don't mind being the big bull. He pushes around

(01:45:13):
the little the little company. And and you know, I
think that when Ring of Honor, Ring of Honor was
not in their sights until they got on Destination America.
And for whatever reason that even though that audience, I
don't know their audience has grown very much at all.
That really got you know, that really got ww's attention.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
And then told it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
Was the action figure deal that just oh yeah, that's
definitely a factory.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
That that really drove Vince McMahon up the wall. And
he's just you know, he's been revved up about this
ever since. And so when when Triple H, because I
did ask him about you know, I don't even remember
the question, but was just mentioned. The last conference call
is essentially about his feelings on on the promotions before
all of this started, and it was the Kumbai Atho speech.
You know, I mean, every day, love everybody. I'm hoping

(01:46:00):
there's another conference call next week because I want to
ask him the same question again.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:46:07):
Yeah, I think I think trivile H has been very
canny and those those conference calls, but I thought that
one he kind of he needed to say something else
that was a little bit too disingenuous.

Speaker 4 (01:46:20):
I don't know, though, Bruce, because I don't know that
he has an extra grind there that may really be
a bench McMahon thing.

Speaker 13 (01:46:28):
Well, it is a visit man thing too, to push
back against people he sees encroaching on his territory. And yeah,
I mean, you know, and you're right the toy deal definitely,
you know, he's got Kevin Owen's ready to you know,
make some money.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Off of it.

Speaker 13 (01:46:43):
It's his star now and and it looks like some
other company somehow has you know, found a way to
make money off of that and.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
He's gonna it's gonna take it out there. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:46:54):
Well, I mean that's you know, that's definitely I mean
that has you know, WrestleMania Weekend, when when when companies
come to to run shows around WrestleMania, and w W
makes it very clear to the hotels, to the to
the buildings around you know, you want you know, you
want the you want the extra business that WrestleMania brings.

(01:47:14):
Then you do business with us and not necessarily with
with these small companies. And that's that's how they are.
I you know, I I think I'm with you get
over events. I mean I really think, realistically, that's the
smartest way. And then then also I mean you look
at n x T. Ring of Honor is helping WWE
because w still has not shown the ability to grow

(01:47:39):
guys from the ground floor to be stars, and so
Ring of Honor has given that training ground, that platform
for guys to to climb on and to really get
the experience to then go to WWE. You would think,
you know, you would think all the difficulties they've had
since w c W went out of business, since e
c W went out of business, and some of these

(01:48:00):
that they got stars from that they would, you know,
particularly at the size of Gabe Sapolski's companies and and
Chikara and Ring of Honor and some of the other endies.
Just let them, let them have their small piece of
the pie. Then cherry picked the best from when the
time comes, the best talent from it.

Speaker 5 (01:48:21):
Just it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:23):
I think Vince is being very shortsighted with this. I'm
guessing that it was, you know, hit the partnership with Mattel.
I don't know that Mittel was pleased with it, but
I think it's something you can easily explain to them that, yeah,
he has a pre existing deal with the company he
worked for previous, you know, previously, and it's not as
Kevin Owens as we mirand him. It's as Kevin Stein,

(01:48:43):
which is another name. And so I mean, I just
I think this could be easily explained to Mattel if
they're the ones that are kind of pushing this button.
And with Vince, it's just like, Vince, what do you
think is going to sell more Kevin Owens or Kevin
Stein action figures. I don't think you're gonna lose a
whole lot of money.

Speaker 13 (01:48:58):
Because of this, right, Yeah, I completely agree, it's just
but but it's endemic in his personality. It's how he
became who he was. It's what you know, it's it's
it's what he is. And from the and from the
moment that he took over the company from his father
and his father worked with him to do to do
that too, He's played these games and and then he's

(01:49:20):
cried when someone is you know, he cried in w
c W, you know, for for a moment in time,
got the upper hand on him and played the same
games with him. But it just it's it's not surprising
if you look at this man in the long term
and yeah, maybe you know, you might be right with
with Triple H. And one of the one of the
big stories I think in the next several years is

(01:49:41):
going to be that relationship with Triple H has had
if he becomes more ready to take over the company
and yet this man is going nowhere, you know, it's
still running the company. How their relationship continues to evolve,
and it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
Is definitely going to be the big I would say,
the biggest story to follow. I mean just that I
can think of off the top of my head. That's
the one that matters and it's going to be hard
to get that information, but we're certainly going to try.

Speaker 13 (01:50:08):
And you know what, we're going to see it on
our television screens too and wise, So yeah, and you're right,
we're going to try.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Jason.

Speaker 13 (01:50:16):
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Speaker 13 (01:50:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
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Speaker 13 (01:51:09):
We probably we probably should, maybe we should cut this
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Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
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Speaker 13 (01:51:20):
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Speaker 4 (01:51:32):
You don't you don't see a w W E Writer's
Room section coming up any times?

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Speaker 13 (01:51:43):
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