INTERVIEW CLASSIC (10 YRS AGO): Evolution of wrestling media with Keller and John Arezzi, former ‘80s/‘90s New York pro wrestling radio host

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Speaker 1 (02:03):
On today's Way Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast, we jump back
ten years to a doubleheader of interviews. First up, my
conversation with John Arezi, a former New York pro wrestling
radio show host from the nineties who talked with me
about the evolution of pro wrestling media coverage. If you
don't know about the history of wrestling media coverage, I
think you will be enthralled with this. It's something that

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he and I lived through and we're a part of. Also,
we talked about ho Cogan, scandals, Sting's career and more.
John such a smart guest. He's got a book out
about his career in pro wrestling. Check it out just
look up John and Rezi wherever you buy books. Also
part two from the day before, Pat McNeil's interview with
a PWG co founder and comic book artist Scott Lost

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who is joined by Johnny Fairplay of Survivor, Fame and
t and A, with a conversation that hit a wide
range topics with live callers and emails. Also in the
VP exclusive after show, Pat and James Caldwell talked about
the latest news, events and more. So let's get to
it again. These originally livestream ten years ago this week
on September twenty third and twenty fourth in reverse order,

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and it is today's Waye Keller Progressing Podcast ten years
Ago Interview Classics for Saturday, September twenty seventh, twenty twenty
five Torch. Welcome to the p w Torch Live Cast.

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Interview Thursday. And I'm pleased to welcome back a guest

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on the program who goes further back than I do
in covering professional wrestling in the media, and that is
John Aresi from the Pro Wrestling Spotlight radio show. John,
welcome back to the live cast.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Hey Wade, how you doing. It's great to be here,
and thanks for the dinosaur reference to me. I appreciate that. Well, actually, actually,
you know, there's really another name I call myself is
really I'm the doctor Frankenstein that gave Vince Russo live.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well, yeah, there's always that, Yeah, yes.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
You know what happened to h what happened to uh
in the movie the monster pretty much killed the creator,
you know.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Uh huh yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, John. You brought Vince
Russell on to your radio show, Progressing Spotlight and one
thing led to another, and we won't go into that
today too much, but uh yeah, go ahead, John.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
There's a lot of.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Stuff going on with him in social media the last
week or so, and maybe we can get into that
later on today. It's starting to like to get your
take on the Bischoff comments and everything that, you know,
Russo's firing back with both guns and blaze in there.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know, yeah, you know, I gotta tell you, John,
we can do that. My policy, starting roughly about a
year ago, was to not spend a lot of time
on Vince Russo because I felt.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Oh, okay, and here's why. Maybe that's a good thing. Man.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
This is where I'm coming from on it. And I
like Vince Russo personally. I mean, he's been on this show.
I've done long interviews with him. I eight years ago,
eight nine years ago, I flew out to LA did
the Ultimate Insiders DVD series with him in Los Angeles.
It was the first time that Vince Russo when Ed
Ferrara had been back together again since being co architects
and supporters of Vince McMahon during ro's boom period, and

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I was the first one he did and the only
one he did a really long interview with when he
jumped from the WDF TOAYW. I like Vince, but I
do feel that we have kind of in this. Again,
I'm not saying I won't change RON policy is very informal,
not really officially declared. But I haven't spent a lot
of time talking about Russo because I think now he
has sort of said everything that he has to say,

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and I started to sense, and again he might target
me now for saying this, but I sense that a
lot of what he was saying had started to become
an attempt just to get him talked about and trying
to stay relevant and have people talking about him. And
I sort of felt like you should make news by
making news, not make news by trying to inject yourself

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into a conversation through controversy and that kind of thing.
So now that said John, the timing is there, Eric,
the new nitros have been released. Eric Bischoff interview with
JBL and I think it's absolutely fair and relevant for
somebody as historically important as Vince Russo, and he is
for better or for worse, and it's a mix of
both when he is legitimately in the news talking about

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what Eric Bishoff is saying about Nitro. That's why I
say I would. I would sort of, you know, soften
my unstated, unofficial policy of not reacting to everything controversial
Russo says, to try to get people like me to
talk about him.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Got it, Yeah, well a lot of sense. Yeah, But
I appreciate you inviting me on again. It's always a
pleasure to be here.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
John, you are such a pro. I want people to
understand who are new listeners to this show. We're growing
every year, basically doubling our listenership year to year to
year the last few years, and it's just tremendous support.
You've been on the show before. VIP members people who
subscribe to the VIP membership of Pro Wrestling Torch get
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every week, Bruce Mitchell audio show for at least two
hours every week, Pay per view roundtables, and the whole
staff contribute with their audio shows covering ro OHT and a. Everything.
That said, one of the other big set, one of
the other big valuable aspects of the v ATP membership
is our archives of audio and we run. In fact,

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I spent a good portion of today formatting a lot
more of our ten years ago audio shows from September
of two thousand and five. So over the next week
we're probably going to put up about fifteen shows, including
my Jeff Hardy Interview, the final installment on My Molly
Holly Interview, along with a lot of behind the scenes
updates that I recorded along with Bruce Mitchell and others
on the news ten years ago. But one of my

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favorite things John, in keeping the content going for VIP
members is when I take a Prosing spotlight show one
of the cassette tapes you headed off to me at
the Minneapolisaint Paul Airport and entrance, put that in the
old machine that the old cassette machine that connects to
my computer, and move it over to a digital file
MP three format, do all the editing. Listen to it,

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because these shows are I have not heard, they're your
shows that usted from the late eighties. To the mid nineties,
big name guests, great journalists, around table discussions, Donnie Libel
with his news updates, all the callers. It's so fun
to do that part of my job. And I'm so
excited when I posted that everybody else to listen to it.
So you were one of the one of the pioneers
and the trail blazers when it came to going on

(09:09):
the radio. If people aren't familiar with that, that's something
that predated podcasting and you would go on there. You
went on the radio, John and talked about wrestling in
an intelligent, straightforward journalistic way and did so during a
really a time of real uh consternation and change in
the wrestling industry. The drug and sex scandals in the

(09:30):
WWF that I think a whole generation efense today don't
even know happened or barely no, along with the tough
times that wrestling was having that stretch of time, John,
that you hosted Prosing Spotlight was a time of journalistic
change and being in the New York market doing radio
it was a really it was for you to be

(09:50):
in New York on the airwaves talking about wrestling journalistically
after a time period in all of wrestling history where
that just really wasn't done was puts you in the
category of one of the pioneers in a major market
like that. When you were doing that, I know you
started the show, John, You've told me this not quite
sure editorially how to approach it, and it evolved before

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we get into current events and there's so much going on.
Tell me a little bit about that evolution of how
you approach doing the show and any hesitation you had
about different different ways to cover it when you knew
that you were reaching people through radio waves who might
stumble upon your show who otherwise didn't really have a
lot of background hearing wrestling covered in that way.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Well, I mean, it really started off as a show
that really was meant to entertain the fans and to
bring the wrestling personalities on and just kind of get
them to engage with the listeners. But as early as
show too, Bruno San Martino came on and he just
went off on Vince McMahon and that, you know, pretty

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much ended any relationship that I was going to have
with the Vince McMahon ww AFF at the time, because
their pr person was Steve Planamente, who was ironically was
a fan of mine when I was a writer for
Ring magazine and the other after style magazines back in
the seventies. So he was pr director, found out he

(11:16):
was working there, talked to him, and he was ready
to have the WWF cooperate. And when I told him
I was bringing Bruno on, it was like, well, that
may be a problem, and I let Bruno go and
and then cooperation stop. So, I mean, the first several
months of the show really were to try to entertain,
and I'd bring Pauli on, Paul Hayman, Pauli dangerously to

(11:39):
drive to the studio and come in and and do
his thing. And then and then Cacus Jack mcfoley really
credited the show because I just let him come into
the studio and go off and learn, and he basically
he credits the show to, you know, developing his promo
style by letting me. I used to get in the microphone.
He'd stand up in the stud deal and just go

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off and answer calls. But it really took a turn
when Steamboat, when Ricky Steamboat had the contract dispute with
Jim Hurd and the NWA when he was the world champion,
and when that controversy started he and he left. He
came on my show and talked about the inside of
the business. That's what t're in the corner. And then

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it was like, I can't go back now, I have
to go in this direction because we picked up a
ton of listeners from the newsletters writing about how Steamboat
opened up on the air, and then the show evolved
into a straight journalistic style approach and we covered everything.
And then everyone who left an organization who wanted to

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speak their mind, they would come on and they'd let loose,
and that's how the show evolved.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
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And this was happening around the time that newsletters were
starting to really take off and separate themselves. The Wrestling Observer,
Pro Wrestling Torch, Steve Beverly's Matt Watch, John Gallagher's Wrestling Forum,

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We're probably the most prominent ones that were either every
week or every other week and breaking news, not just
putting together fans, writing articles, you know, editorials once a month,
or talking about trading tapes or clippings and that kind
of thing. Wrestling journalism on a serious level was evolving
at that point. The Torch Talk series had started in

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print during this very much parallel to the timeframe that
you're talking about, doing these insider radio interviews where wrestlers
started to feel comfortable speaking openly about the inner workings
of the business. And Paul Hayman and Mick Foley are
two great examples. They were early Torchtock subjects too, along
with Jim Cornett and Eddie Gilbert, who spoke very openly

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about the business. They were younger. They saw the attitude,
the approach of promoters that they were trying that they
saw themselves taking over for and by The story and
how that went for each of them is very diverse
and different and sometimes very tragic, But they saw themselves
as the next generation, and they felt like wrestling fans

(14:43):
were smart enough to how things operated that, at least
in certain contexts such as in a newsletter interview or
a radio interview, staying in character and not breaking k
fabe didn't make sense. It wouldn't get them the audience
that they wanted, and that proved to be true. It
certainly rankled some people who resisted it. Eventually would go

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on to do shoot tapes or torch talks or other
radio interviews, But at the beginning it was a struggle,
and I assumed John that you got some negative feedback
from traditionalists about putting what you were talking about on
the air. I know when I took the first full
page ad out in Wrestling World magazine in the early nineties,
there were newsletter editors fellow newsletter editors who were critical

(15:25):
of it, saying, this is supposed to be a closed society.
You're only supposed to be let in if you know
someone who trusted you can handle this information. You can't
just put it out there in a magazine where all
these kids and marks can just send in ten bucks
or twenty bucks and start getting privy to all this
behind the scenes information. I got criticized for taking an
ad out where somebody had to take action and spend

(15:46):
money I assume you on the airwaves in New York
also got some blowback.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Oh yeah, there was always somebody who would criticize it,
and you know, the performers, there were some of the
reformers who didn't want to break that code, and of
course the promoters were you know, like Vince McMahon and
initially WCW, and then they eventually kind of warmed to
it a little bit. But I mean, it really it
really didn't kind of blew up when Zaharian, the ringside

(16:16):
doctor for WWF at the time, got arrested for the
steroid distribution. And then the national media, the national press,
the mainstream press started coming to us and people like
yourself and Dave and me and you know, getting guidance
and getting information from us, because it became national news

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that the entire country wanted to you know, wanted to
be a part of, and they wanted to get their
insights scoop from those who were covering it on a
journalistic aspect, on a real journalistic aspect, from the wrestling media,
and we were you know, we were all kind of
you know, we were all kind of in the middle
of all of this explosion. And you know, to this day,

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I mean Phil Muchnick is a name that's you know,
cursed side the offices of Titan Towers, you know, or
w W headquarters now and and you know Phil, you know,
Phil was was was the enemy. And I because I
spoke to him and he you know, there were some

(17:21):
back paid stories in the New York Post that you
know from him listening to my radio show and him
writing about it that you know, made me like almost
public enemy number two behind him.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, because you were there in their market,
you know, in the Northeast, in the capital of not
just wrestling media or the wrestling business, but you were
there in the capital of all media. John, We're going
to take ours.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
I got more than one letter from Jerry mcgibbtt I'll
tell you that.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Well let's let's let's we're going to continue this conversation
on the other side of our first break. And I
also want to talk about hol Cogan because you covered
scandals with Hulkogan. He's now you know, in the last
couple months in them again he finds a way to
get out of that. I want to talk to you
about that and the resiliency of Hulk Coogan in your
take on what's happening with him now. Also, I've advertised
all week I want to talk to you about Sting.

(18:11):
Sting coming out on a WWB dot com article now
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on the vip Weaight Keller hotline that was just posted
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what happened in that match, his reaction to seth rollins,
and the potential of him never wrestling again. I want
to talk to you about Sting, the rise of Sting,
and what went wrong early on with Sting becoming the

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the live cast. All right, back with John Aresi of
the Pro Wrestling Spotlight Radio Show, a pioneer in uh
wrestling journalism. Uh John. We were talking about Hulk Hogan
and there's so many directions I can go with you
because I'm so fascinated with so many things that you've

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been able to cover firsthand over the years. But one
of them is Hulk Cogan. Hulk has been in the
news again the sex tape and doesn't get as much publicity,
but the jailhouse conversation with his son Nick several years ago,
where he said some some racists made some racist comments,
said I am a racist, and UH talked to about

(21:00):
not wanting to be reincarnated with his son as a
black as black men because that would be awful, and
not wanting his daughter to date a black man unless
he was rich and tall, because that I guess Trump's racism.
It was very shameful what he said. He has come
out and done some media interviews trying to do some
damage control. I have watched Hulk Hogan and covered the

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bulk of his career. I saw the birth of Hulkamania
in the AWA coming out to Survivor's Rocky theme. I
was a big I was a fan then as an
eleven twelve year old and paid to see him as
the incredible houlk Hogan coming out doing the exact same
gimmick he brought with him to the WWF where Vincient
Man used that to reach new heights nationally. But as

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a journalist, as my job, I've covered so many ups
and downs of him politically, John, I'm kind of curious
your thoughts on where Hulk Hogan has landed as a
celebrity and as a legendary wrestler in twenty fifteen, with
all that he has gone through, well.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
He certainly has said to do damage control now really
for twenty five years when it goes far back as
you know, the Arsenio Hall Show when he lied and
said he only took steroids for therapeutic reasons three times
or whatever the comment was at that time. But this
current scandal and comments that he made really was the

(22:25):
final straw, I mean for journalists like yourself. And you know,
he keeps trying to go on mainstream media. And there
was also something he posted on social media this past
week where there was an African American couple who just
got married who saw him in a diner or a
restaurant and lo and behold, there it is on social media.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
You know.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
So he's trying to he's trying to work, you know,
sympathy and get sympathy for his current situation. And there's
no turning back on this one. He's dug himself a
hole that I don't think may ever be repaired, you know.
And uh, in this day and age, you know, everything

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is recorded, and you know, unfortunately for him, you know,
in a in a in a sex tape scandal. He
said some comments. He can't take them back they were said.
So I mean, I have no sympathy for him, you know.
I know he's meant a lot to the wrestling industry
as a whole, and he was part of that first
wrestle Mania, that explosion when Vince McMahon went national. But

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there's no turning back now. I mean, you know the
thing that I that I you know, think about and
wonder if it was appropriate, you know what, you know,
because the ww is kind of scrubbing him from everything,
and uh, you know, you can't have you can't you
can't turn back history. I mean, he was part of
that stuff. I mean maybe there's a disclaimer that they

(23:52):
put on their site, but he was part of it,
of this explosion of popularity in the business. But now
you know, he can't come back from that. So I I,
you know, I struggle with that his historic positive stuff
that he did, but you know, on the on the
on the racial comments and the scandals that you know
he's got himself into. You know, you got to look

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at yourself in the mirror and you have to take
accountability for what you did.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
And that's the fascinating part about hul Cogan and and
I think why he should be and is held to
a higher standard than almost any other wrestler. He made
more money than almost anybody in this industry. I think
John Cene has probably surpassed him. Now Steve Austin has
certainly the Rock was in that on the verge of
doing that, but now movies just you know, blew away
any wrestling earnings. But really, Hulk is very very much

(24:40):
near the top top two or three all time earners.
And he did that by promoting himself as a role model.
And I think only John Cena would be held to
as high of a standard as Hulk Hogan because because
the Hulk Cogan persona was not built around drinking beer,
laying the smack down, or parting all night with the

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women in limousines and jets, Hulk Hogan's image was built
around something that is incompatible with saying I'm a racist
with a sex tape being released when you're in bed
with a best friend's wife while you're still married. I mean,
they're just there's just so many things about this that
are incompatible with his image. And in that respect, I
get WWE saying, and they're not really they're not scrubbing

(25:22):
in from history like he's on the network. This is
not even five percent of the scrubbing that Chris ben
Wan went through. If you watch WrestleManias that Hulk was on,
you can still watch Hulk Cogan. But in terms of
having him on the website and saying Hulk Cogan is
part of this, you know is our alumni and we're
proud to have him here, and here's an interview with
him that we did last year, or here's here's what
he's doing with you know charity, or of course they're

(25:44):
not going to have their website, which is part of
their brand identity, have newer content with him. So I
get that, but it is strange John watching Raw and
having them talk about statues at WWE headquarters and they
mentioned Ultimate Warrior and Bruno Sammartino, but they don't mention
a whole Cocain. And there was a more recent example

(26:06):
of it that where of course Hogan's name would have
been mentioned. And I can't think of what, oh, you
know what. I think it was just at Night of
Champions when they were showing the collage of big stars
of the past, and I don't know that that counts
as scrubbing, but it counts as no longer promoting somebody
who said things. And now I think since has conducted
himself in a way that's sort of unbecoming of being

(26:26):
linked to your brand in things that are somewhat subjective.
It's objective that he was the WrestleMania main event at
WrestleMania three, but it's subjective whether you want to include
him arbitrarily in a collage of all time great stars,
which is not a complete list. And I think every
chance they get now when it's arbitrary, subjective optional, they're

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opting to not include him, and I'm with them on that.
I think that is just fine, even though it feels
odd historically.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Well yeah, I mean I understand, and hearing you explain
it the way you've explained it, it adds a little
bit more of a clarification. Like I said, you know,
I'm not you know, I watch raw. I still watch
the pay per views or the shows I watched the network,
and I haven't doug as deep as I haven't dug

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as deep to see how much they've taken off.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, all I know is that they've taken a lot off.
But I mean they are within their rights. They're a
publicly traded company. They have to protect that brand at
all costs.

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Speaker 1 (28:08):
John talk about Hok Cogan and the scandal years in
the early nineties and his resiliency, but also his skills,
which I think sometimes were very He was very adroit
at battling bad publicity, but other times he was his
own worst nightmare. He told me in a two thousand
and two or two thousand and three Torch talk I

(28:29):
did with him, longest insider interview he's ever done. I
believe that the biggest mistake of his career, without question,
was what he said on our senial hall when he
was in denial about how people would not believe his
claim that he was not a heavy steroid user. Most
other wrestlers didn't have the scrutiny he had because he
was Hall Kogan. But he had the benefit of making

(28:51):
the most money and having the most fame and getting
the most cheers and all of that that came along
with it. But he didn't seem to want to carry
the responsibility and to a degree, burden of being a
spokesman for correcting course on a generation of wrestlers who
were abusing a drug that, over the course of his
career became illegal to use for non therapeutic purposes.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, he could have been. He could have been the
guy who literally could have helped clean the business up
and could have could have stopped it dead in its
tracks if he would have came clean and not lied
on our Senio Hall. He had the opportunity that night
to really be the guy that says, you know what,

(29:36):
I did this, and that's a big problem in our industry,
and my boss, Vince McMahon, where we're going to clean
it up, and we've made mistakes and let's move forward
and have you know, our athletes and our and our
performers work and entertain without performance enhancement drugs and he

(29:57):
didn't do it. And that was a tru he made.
I mean, whether he felt he could just get over
on the mainstream media. It blew up in his face.
And it's really something that he hasn't fully ever recovered from.
Never well and now this thing is just put the
you know, the nails in the coffin finally. But he

(30:18):
had an opportunity to be the guy and he didn't
do it. So he's got to live with himself about that.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Think that Hogan always had during those scandal years is
value to drawing crowds and drawing ratings. Yes, so promoters
would and and X sponsors would assess the damage that
was done to his public image and then weigh that
against what he could still deliver in the ring and
on the microphone, on camera at arenas and selling toys
and merchandise. And he would get second chances, and certainly

(30:46):
WW gave him one, and he ended up being a
big part of WW in the early Nitro years. Turned
heel with the nWo and the outsiders, and you know,
reached these peak ratings and so he had a lot
of success after those scandals. But the difference between that
and now is I think people could look at the
steroid use and go, well, and I don't believe this,
and I've ranted about this, but the idea that oh,

(31:06):
it's a personal choice, it's not really our business and
so and I think we've learned from baseball it's not
a personal choice when it affects others. And when you
make the personal choice to take steroids as a baseball
player and you break all the home run records from
people who did not take steroids, it's not just a
personal choice. You're screwing up all the record books and
you're making pictures look worse and they are just it's unfair.

(31:28):
In wrestling, it's the same thing. When you have muscles
on top of muscles that you achieved due to steroid use,
you are then setting the bar so high for other
wrestlers who would otherwise, as they did throughout all of
wrestling history up until the steroid era, look tough. But
when you have three or four steroid abusers on the
roster and I mean heavy steroid users, the bar get

(31:49):
set so high that other guys who would just as
soon not take it feel pressure that they have to
in order to earn a living and stay relevant. So
it's not just a personal choice. But people, I think,
when they didn't think that hard about it, said it's
a personal choice on Hogan's part. And I don't even
know if it's that bad for you. Maybe it is,
maybe it isn't. But if he's got a physician helping him,
I'm okay with it. I just want to cheer Hulk
Cogan because he's charismatic and exciting in a superhero. That

(32:11):
is different when you can still produce in the ring
and draw money. But now John he's out a point
where I don't think he really made a difference in
the ratings. He didn't really sell a ton of merchandise,
and so Wwe, I think looked at this racist comment,
these racist comments, and looked at what he had left
to draw in terms of money, and just said it's
not worth the trouble anymore. And I think that's that's

(32:32):
something that's different for Terry Bolea to be in a
position where people don't look at it as a big
loss if they can't utilize the whul Cogan character to
make money, because there's not a lot of money left
to make.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
No, there's not. I mean his time has certainly come
and gone, and it's over, you know, And you know,
the generation of fans that are watching wrestling today and
there are certainly some of my demographic and some of
your demographic, but it's still you know, man, eighteen thirty four.
They don't care about Hulk Hogan, you know, they really don't.
They care about the great performers that are currently you know,

(33:06):
in the ring, the Daniel Bryant's and and but I mean,
hope it's over for him, and he's got to realize that.
And you know, unfortunately I don't know what his financial
status is, but somebody like him could really just peacefully
retire or should have peacefully retired, and and that's it.
But he he has he's always misstepped, and he's always

(33:27):
heard his legacy and he's never and he keeps making
the same, you know, the same mistake. So what are
you going to do? I mean, it's time, really, as
you said, you know, you've turned the page. You've said
that that's it. You know, we're done. You know, he's done,
go away. So I think he has to. I think
he needs to. And if he, if he, you know,

(33:48):
can can be honest with himself and just admit to
the wrongdoings and the things that he said. You know,
the country's forgiving sometimes, but I think in this case
that's gone too far.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I think you have to go away for longer than
he has. I think I think he you know, there's
a there's a there's a certain social decorum to how
long you stay away from the spotlight after you step
in it. And Hogan stepped in it, and he needed
to to. I think, go away for a year, year

(34:22):
and a half and then make a better uh, make
have a better reintroduction into the mainstream. I just don't
think he can. I think his oxygen is publicity. It
is being talked about and and so you know he's
got that. And that said, I mean he's doing a
one man show in the United Kingdom, I think in November,

(34:42):
if I remember right. And I don't even have a
big problem with that. I think that not being presented
as a hero to kids and a legendary wrestler by
a big corporate entity, I don't think that's something. I
don't blame anybody for not sponsoring him or not hiring him,
But if he as a as a scorned celebrity, wants
to to rent, you know, work with a promoter to

(35:03):
rent a hall and have people pay money to have
him talk about the ups and downs of his life.
I think that's fine. I mean, I have no problem
with him working with a promoter to do that test
the waters make a little money and take kind of
that Q and a from from people who see him
as a celebrity that they'd be curious to hear from.
So to me stepping back in that way, it is

(35:23):
certainly fine with me. But WWE hiring him and promoting
him and glorifying him, I think it's dangerous for them
to do at this point, John, I want to get
a couple of phone calls in and then I definitely,
as I talked about all week, want to talk about
sting and over kind of put in perspective too. And
this relates to Hogan somewhat, the history of wrestlers wrestling

(35:45):
too long, and the unique situation with pro wrestling as
an industry that, unlike sports, you have a lot of
drawing power in team sports. In competitive sports, you have
a lot of drawing power when your skills decline. You know,
Kevin Garnett could sell out the Target Center as a
star player, if you could book him as the top
scorer and top rebounder, helping them win games. But he's

(36:06):
at the very end of his career because his knees
are given out and he's approaching forty and so wrestling
isn't like that. You can actually put people in their
forties and fifties in the ring and script them to
be as good as they ever were. So I want
to talk about that in a moment. But let's uh,
since we are live and have the opportunity to hear
from a couple, uh, I want to get give a
chance to a couple of colors have been on hold
for a while to bring up some topics on their own.

(36:27):
We'll start with area code seven eight. Thanks for holding.
Please state your name and where you're calling from.

Speaker 8 (36:34):
Hello, gentlemen, this is Mike from Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
It Mike. Good to hear from you. You're on with
John Rezzi. What have you got for us?

Speaker 8 (36:41):
I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying the whole talk
jobs are doing. A couple couple quick questions. First question,
you know, being that two you two guys two thirds?
You know with Dave Melsa, you know as far as
like being godfathers of this whole honor you know, wrestling journalism,

(37:03):
Like way would you ever consider, you know, having John
back and then you know, maybe having Dave Melsea or
Brian Alvarez as you know as your guests on Thursday
or like a whole you know, discussion on the state
of the business. And the second question is also John,

(37:24):
mister Regie, who do you like following you know as
far as now like you know which guys are following
now that you know you like, That's all I asked,
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Wade, you want to take that first question, I'll take
the second on then sure.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, I mean if there was an ocasion that called
for it, I mean I'm not opposed to it. I
just think that they do their thing, we do our thing,
and we stay we stay so busy doing so much
audio on our own for our own brands. I'm not
sure that a lot of cross pollination is something that's
probably going to happen. I feel bad that I don't
talk to my dad do enough audio even with my
own staff members, and all the great opportunities for fresh

(38:01):
discussions with our own kind of circle of people that
we talked to in an expansive circles. So I'm not
opposed to it saying it'll never happen, but I just
think our schedules are so full doing our own shows,
the odds of getting us together to intermingle without some
real compelling reason to do so is probably not on
the short horizon. But we'll see. I mean, Bruce Mitchell
does Wresting Observer audio. Sometimes they bring Bruce into on occasion,

(38:25):
especially to talk about the big topics now and then.
But you know there's enough crossover now, like Jim Ross
has me on his show and Bruce Mitchell this week
on his show, and we have Jim Ross on our show,
so that kind of thing happens. Same with Steve Austin.
I'm on his show a lot, He's been on the
live cast a lot, so that's that does happen. But yeah,
I mean, the occasion my call for it someday, but
I'm not sure what that circumstance would be. I should not,

(38:47):
though it's a good excuse to plug on the Jim
on the Ross Report. This week twenty approaching twenty five
years as a Progressing Torch columnist, or about two weeks
away from the cover date of the first Bruce Mitchell
column ever in the Prosing Torch newsletter that Bruce Mitchell
was on the Jim Ross podcast talking about Night A
Champions and other topics. So check that out if you

(39:08):
haven't yet, John, Yeah, who who is on your list?
Going to question number two these days?

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Well, you know, I'm still a Paul Hayman guy, and
I think Rock Lesner is incredible. I don't think he's
being used enough, and I think he's been misbooked, especially
in this Undertaker series. I think Brock you know, had
the ability to you know, do what they were doing

(39:33):
with Goldberg back in the day. Just an unbeatable monster.
But I look forward to every time he's on television.
I enjoy Kevin Owens. I think that he has a
ton of potential and that if the character is developed
in the right way, he could he He's already is
amazing to me, and I think that he's very believable

(39:54):
in what he does. Daniel Bryant was certainly somebody that
that I love watching every single time he stepped, you know,
through the curtain and into the ring. And you know,
his situation right now is so very sad to me.
So I mean when it comes to the three that
I really am zoned in on as as now a

(40:15):
fan and a viewer, those are the three individuals. And
if the women's division is handled correctly, I think it's
really it could be really competitive. And and I love Page.
I think she's an amazing athlete, you know, Charlotte coming in,
Ric Flair's daughter. I you know, I'm anxious to see

(40:37):
how things unfold now, but if it's booked the right way,
it could be an amazing division, you know. So that's
what I'm That's what I'm really gravitating to now, is
those performers that I just mentioned.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, no, that's that's a very good list. And there
are a lot of a lot of wrestlers, male and female,
who are going to be this generation of wrestling fans,
the ones who are new to wrestling and really getting
into it. I think there's some really good talent that
they're going to look back on ten twenty years from
now and go, that's who got me into wrestling, And

(41:10):
I think that's a big thing. Of course, ratings are
down and that's something WWBS to deal with and I
talk about that every day to VP members. On the
way Keller hotline, you know, trying to dissect what is
it happening, why is it happening, what can be done,
What historical patterns are there that might indicate what's going on,
because there is so much good talent, but that's not
translating into money drawing stars at above average level right now.

(41:33):
It's a big topic in wrestling these days. John, when
you look at the landscape and you did progressing spotlight
during a really down period in the industry, and I
think it was Bruce Mitchell on last Friday's PW Torch
Live cast was talking about how there were times that
he thought wrestling might never come back after ww went

(41:53):
out of business and.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Struggling coming back. Yeah, it was close going back, you
know today's day. And of course the ratings are down.
The ratings are down on every single television show there is.
And I think that the reason, one of the main
reasons is the immediacy of watching that show live. You
don't necessarily have to do it because you can just
go the next day and see highlights on YouTube or

(42:18):
go anywhere, or you can go on Twitter, like you
don't have to watch raw just every ten minutes you
can see some highlights or every two minutes, so there's
no reason to watch live anymore. I mean, everything is splintered.
And you know, I'm in an industry in the music
business here in Nashville, where I look at ratings all
the time, and I worked for a huge television conglomerate

(42:38):
Scripts networks that has you know, networks like Food Network
and Cooking Channel and Travel Channel, and RATEATV. Ratings are
down everywhere because everything is video on demand. Everything is
accessible on the internet, on your phone, on your you
know computer, So there's no reason to watch stuff live anymore.

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Speaker 3 (43:34):
And the other reason I think for raw especially it's
three hours. Who the heck wants to watch three hours
of content on a Monday night. I mean it's too much.
Cut it back to an hour and a half, cut
it back to two hours, and the ratings will.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Go up, no, no question about it. I think that
it got long. I mean, if people who watch NFL
football games start to finish and love the NFL would
probably not in the same numbers that they watch them
now watch NFL games if NFL games lasted ten hours
each Now it sounds ludicrous. I mean, like, well, of
course they wouldn't. But my point is is if you

(44:10):
have to sometimes take things to an extreme and then
kind of dial back and go at what point is
there a tipping point? And would an NFL game if
it lasted four and a half hours draw the same ratings?
No way would the NFL draw bat ratings if they
were two and a half.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
I mean, and even Major League Baseball. They're doing everything
they can to you know, cut it out and cut
it you know, cut you know, as soon as a
picture there's account, there's a clock that really a picture
should pitch by, So they're just trying to make the
game faster. And you know, and in pro wrestling, I
mean it is it is soap opera. So I mean,
if you miss an episode, you know you're going to
see the highlights on so many different so many different places,

(44:45):
and they'll rehash it the following week to show you
what you missed last week. So yep, there's no reason
to even sit there and be glued and say, you
know what, I don't have to watch it tonight because
I'll know what's going on.

Speaker 9 (44:55):
Next week exactly. And I think I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
You know, brock leslers are something that could pop some rates,
and right now there's nothing out there that can pop
a rating. I don't think there's a race. There's not
a pop anywhere anymore.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
You know, because of that three hour format. You bring
up John, they have to put John Seen out there
with seth Rollins every week. They got to put seth
Rollins on multiple times, John Seene on multiple times. There's
never a week there's rarely a week off for any
of the top stars, certainly not consistently time off at
the top stars. So it all you just feel like
you got your Phil you got I mean, if if
your favorite NFL team played every day, you would start

(45:31):
picking and choosing which games you watch. But when there's
that that oh, six days, you know, seven days between games,
six you know that six days without a game until
the next one, that builds that anticipation you're excited to
see him for few hours. Again, that's missing from wrestling,
so that is a big problem too. Let's go to
our next caller, and then we're going to talk about
Sting and the length of careers and the the viability

(45:52):
of the human body to do what Sting attempted to
do on Sunday or did do on Sunday against seth rawlins.
An interesting topic, but let's go next to Ericode eight
three eight one three. Thanks for holding. Please state your
name and where you're calling from.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
Hey, this is Jay from Tampa.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Hey Jake, what have you got for John Rezzi today?

Speaker 8 (46:10):
Hey?

Speaker 10 (46:10):
God, So I had two quick questions. My first one,
it's been a really good, uh last couple of weeks
of podcast everywhere, and so I listened to one of
my podcast shows that led me to you, Wake Keller,
which is Steve Alston show.

Speaker 11 (46:26):
What my question is what what do you how do you.

Speaker 8 (46:30):
Feel you guys feel about.

Speaker 10 (46:31):
When uh when uh uh mister Jake the Snake said,
once you start using sled hammers, uh, you kind.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
Of kill your character.

Speaker 10 (46:42):
I just love when you said that.

Speaker 8 (46:44):
Uh. I agree.

Speaker 10 (46:46):
I'm done with the match at that point. And my
second question is, uh, with with right now? I know
we've been talking lately about the death of the roster
or the you know who they have in the main
event and whatnot. So I guess my question is what
they usually acts themselves. I guess is what's next for
their their top guy seen.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
I mean, it just.

Speaker 10 (47:08):
Doesn't seem like there's any heels that have been vested into.
I don't know who they could call up from NXT,
and I don't know who they can call in at
this point. So I just want to get yeah, yeah,
want good stuff.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
So John, I don't remember any time in wrestling, and
I mean it probably has happened before where I felt
like they weren't looking ahead and building that the next
two to three guys for the top star. I mean
with Hulk Hogan, for instance, you always got a sense
that there were two or three heels in the background
that were being built up that you were excited to

(47:44):
see Hull Hogan Sleigh if you were a whole Cogan
fan and WWWE Vincent Man seems to just look a
week ahead, two weeks ahead, or looks ahead to wrestle Mania,
but doesn't really look ahead enough to have a line
of heels that people are anticipating to see John Cena fight.
Do you get that sense too from why watching the
product today that there's less effort or less of a

(48:04):
focus on making sure you're set for next month in
the month after when it comes to taking care of
your top baby face.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Well, I totally agree with you. I mean, I go
back to the days where when Bruno San Martino or
Pedro Morales was the champion and be a heel that
would come in like by surprise with the manager and
just plow through everybody, and then he'd go to the
garden and he'd you know, beat Monsoon or Chief j Strongbow,
which were like the top tiered babyfaces, and then get

(48:35):
the champion, and and you'd built the person up, and
it's like you'd go to the garden and say, oh
my goodness, you know Morales could lose tonight or Bruno
could lose tonight to this guy, So there's no more
of that development. I think the closest they've come, and
then they botched it up. I think Rusoff was on
the way to being that indestructible monster, and you know

(48:55):
so and then he's you know, he's jobbing out to
everybody now, So there's no long term development, and that's
the big, big problem. It's a big problem.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
It definitely is the sledgehammer. Jake Roberts was on the
show left I'd love to address.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
I mean Jake Roberts, who I worked with, you know,
because when I promoted and had him overseas with me,
and you know, that's a whole nother hour to talk
about my interaction with Jake the Snake. But as a psychologist,
there was nobody better. He knew how to draw money
and bring people in just by his promos and interviews.

(49:34):
So he had the snake, of course. But you know,
when you bring the sledgehammer out, yeah, I mean that's
hot shotting. And if you're going to use a sledge
on somebody, you know, by rights that person, you know,
not only is it gonna lose a match, but he
might lose his life. But Jake and those guys from
back in that ear, and no one did it better
than Jake. He knew how to he knew how to intimidate,

(49:56):
he knew how to do money just by his wards.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
And I think it. You know, he was referring to
Triple H because Scott Hall friends of Triple H. Scott
Hall looks like he might have an inn with WWE
work with talent and developmental. Scott is a great, great
wrestling mind. Obviously, has had all kinds of personal issues
that have derailed at times, many times his ability to
contribute his knowledge. But he's got great instincts. Sometimes he's

(50:21):
a little more blunt than maybe you'd want him to be,
to put it nicely about things. But I think that's
a type of frank, blunt talk that Triple H would
like to have around because I think their instincts line up.
Jake on a different path, probably going to get involved,
as he said last Thursday on this show, with a
new wrestling promotion promoting more traditional wrestling. He didn't hold back,

(50:44):
and the sledgehammer I don't think was an accident. The
problem I have with the sledgehammer isn't when people get
hit with it and don't die. My problem with it
is when John when John went, when Triple h uses
it but doesn't use it if he's if he wants
to use a sledgehammer and he hates his opponents so much,
it's sort of like when it takes you out of
the moment when they when the bad guy who has
no regard for life removes them heavy metal monitors before

(51:07):
he slams a guy on the table because why I
want him hurt, Yeah, but not too hurt. It's like
when Triple h jabs somebody with the butt of it
well covering you know, the metal part with his hand
instead of just swinging it, and there head opened like
a cantalope. So I think, you know, traditionally, you want
to have things within the bounds of wrestling that give
a heel and advantage but keep them from using deadly
force or a deadly weapon that kind of takes you

(51:29):
out of the narrative of wrestling. And yeah, I agree
with that, And that's where Jake was coming from. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, And Jake is going to work with a new promotion.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah. He didn't give a ton of details, but he
said that there's a new a new group starting up
with a variety of names, and then he like Shane
Douglas was on the list of it, like there's a
apparently a financial backer or something to that degree. And
then DDP came on the show afterwards. This was last
Thursday show, by the way. Everybody can go listen to
it at PW towrchlivecast dot. Jake was on for a

(52:01):
half hour so talking about his new documentary, which I
definitely recommend. I reviewed it and wait.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
To see it. It's it's really good.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yeah, And I reviewed it on the way Keller hotline
and in the newsletter last week at length and it
is absolutely worth going out ever your way to see
at a theater or eventually on demand or on DVD.
And so Jake was on and the DDP was on
to talk a lot about it too, for about an
hour or so afterwards. So check that interview out. It's
it's really interesting here Jake, and you can hear more
about what Jake said about this new startup group that

(52:31):
he's going to be working behind the scenes on John.
Before we run out of time, I want to be
sure we have time to talk about Sting. Top story
of the week. Sting drops to his knees in the
middle of a stellar Maine event. One of the best
matches Sting has had this side. I mean, what John
would would you agree because he covered Sting's top his rise.
You were there for Prosing spotlight and certainly observed it

(52:53):
otherwise too. Sting's rise against Rick Flair, great matches. This
guy is going to be a big star. I met
Bruce Mitchell just over twenty five years ago in Baltimore
for the crowning of Sting at WW Champion.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Ye a lot of us.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
You were there too at that show.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Oh yeah, I did bus trip there.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yep. So that was supposed to be the crowning of
a new era and then it just didn't work out,
you know, Sting didn't catch fire, and then I had
obscribing to the Metal Lands to see him lose the belt.
So I was kind of there for the beginning and
end of the very short Sting era as the new
top guy. But he had really good matches against Flair,
Rick Rude, Vader, Mick Foley. There's not a long list,

(53:31):
some decent ones with Lex Luger decent, but the sets.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
But I mean and the others that you mentioned, Yeah,
I mean he he He certainly had the charisma, but
it didn't work. It just didn't go over well.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
And I want to talk about that, but let's I
only ask you this first. The Seth Rollins match one
of Sting's all time greatest matches. He came out just
last day or so on ww dot com talking about
Seth was the best opponent he ever wrestled, which covers
a lot of territory with Rick Rude, Full Evader and
Special Flair. And he has no hard feelings about Seth,
but he ended up with some cervical spinal neck issues

(54:08):
that led to numbness and he didn't know what was
going on. I think his career is over. John should
Sting at age in his mid fifties. At that age,
should he have been working a main events style match
against Seth Rawlins. Is this a mistake to be wrestling
this style compared to other wrestlers. And you can draw
in your history of following wrestling for so long of
other wrestlers who worked deep into their forties and even fifties,

(54:29):
but they didn't try to do what Sting did, which
is keep up with a great athlete like Seth.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Yeah, it is unfortunate. I mean, that match is really
looking at I've seen it probably four or five times now.
It was an amazing match, but he took too many risks,
and look what happened. I mean, and Seth is you know,
he's you know, he's a pretty stiff worker. And I
knew right away when he was thrown into the turnbuckles,

(54:56):
and I've seen his head snap back, and when I
saw his legs collect some buckle, I said, he's hurt.
He's hurt bad. And I give him credits for trying
to finish up, but he did take a lot of risks.
I think for someone in that age category, if you're
fifty six and you're trying to your body just can't
do that anymore. It should have been booked in a

(55:18):
little bit of a different way. I mean, you know,
I really, you know, I know we're running out of time,
but I mean, armchair booker here. Would I would have
had him beat Rollins, I really would have, and I
would have had Shamus come in cash in Sting beat him,
and then I'd have Rollins and Seamus beat him down
and then put him out of action, you know, not
for real, but in the storyline, and then have the

(55:41):
title strip from him. I think that would have been
a nice way for him to go out, But I
think he's too many risks, and I think he's doing
it for personal pride because he never had the he
never had that glory in the WWE, which maybe he
craved all these years. Yeah, and he wanted to show

(56:01):
these guys, Look, I was one of the best ever, yep,
and I could keep up. But he can't. Not with
a young guy like Seth, who's very physical, who's a
great performer, who's probably one of the best performers for
many years to come. He was out of his league
and he tried to keep up and he couldn't do it.
And now look what happened. And it's very sad.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
What examples of wrestlers who stuck around too long can
you draw from from following wrestling as long as you have,
And you know, do you see other top draws sticking
around too long or do you think there was a
better instinct and sense for that in the past.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Well, Flair stick around too long, I mean, Sean Michael's
even to an extent, stay too long. Undertakers certainly stay
too long. I mean, so there's several that you could
point out to and one of the dearest friends of
my life in the business, mc foley. I mean, he
stayed a little bit too long after what he put
his body through, and he's he's going to be paying

(57:04):
the rest of his life because of the way he
worked in the ring, which was unbelievable, one of the
best of all time. But that was another case where maybe,
you know, I stayed a year or two too long.
I should have got out, you know. And that's that's
really being part. It's the spotlight, it's the adulation of
the fans, it's being that star.

Speaker 9 (57:26):
And the money people can't you can't give it up.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
It's the money. And it's also like, hey, this is
you know, I don't want to give it up. It's
like a baseball player who's you know, stays a little
bit too long. I mean, I just I'm here in
Nashville on the Triple A Baseball game. Barry Zito is
pitching for the Nashville Sounds, I mean, and he's trying.
He's trying to come back. Yeah, I mean, and he's
he got one of the richest contracts in the history

(57:49):
of major leagues. So it's I think it's part of
an athlete. I think it's I think more, it's more
it happens more in sports and a dozen other fields
than entertain you know. But then again, you still have
artist that For example, here George Strait, who announces retirement
in country music less than a year ago, and now

(58:10):
he's coming back to do Vegas and he's doing a
new album that comes out this week, and last year
he said I'm done, I'm retired, you know. I mean,
it's just part of being an entertainer.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
When it comes to wrestling, I think it's important for
promoters to be the adults, the leaders in this regard,
and not they have to because of wrestle. It's so
hard for a wrestler to know when it's time to
give up. And I'm not saying we know every situation
ahead of time. You know, you don't know that sting
is going to have this go wrong. But I think
at some point you have to say, if there's a

(58:41):
great if there's a pretty good chance compared to somebody
in their twenties or thirties that wrestling this style could lead.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
To an injury getting get hurt.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
We need to pull back on what they do, put
them in tag matches with just a few spots. Let
the fans cheer, feel good, do a stinger splash, but
don't be tossed around with buckles.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
And I no, no, no, you can't. Yeah, come in as
a novelty and yeah, but not don't take those risks
because look what happened.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Too dangerous, absolutely, and someone's.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Got to be accountable for that. I mean, you know,
whoever made that decision to take that, take those a
couple of bombs even off the table. Too dangerous.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
That's a thing a lesson needs to be learned. I
think it's time to reassess the style and pull back
on what even the younger guys are doing. I mean
people are asking me, you know, is Seth Rowlin's going
to last very long? Working two matches? You know Sting
was praising import in that interview, but you know, how
long will Seth last? How long will Kevin Owens last?
You need these guys to last, and you want what

(59:41):
they do to matter. And I just think things are
getting a little out of hand in that regard. These
are human bodies that have frailties, and.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Yeah, I think you talked about that the last time
I was on your show here. I mean, we talked
about death and we talked about Ambrose and how can
you I mean, it's just too much. I mean they
I think they're invincible, but they're not. The body can break.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Yes, oh absolutely, And I hope I mean, I hope
Sting is fine. I don't want to see Sting wrestle
again other than a context of like a special attraction
tag team match where he's not taking bumps and he
does a stinger splash applies to scorpion deathlock, but you know,
after a hot tag. But that's about it. You know,
it's you know, with Ricky Steamboat, what happened to him,

(01:00:25):
and just the physical risk that these guys go through.
So John, I know you've got to go, and we
are at the one hour mark. So I thank you
so much. The time flew by. I want to have
you on again. It's so great drawing from your You're
sitting in a similar chair to me for so many years,
covering people who were still talking about today, Hault, Cogan
and Sting for instance. I know, and yet you follow

(01:00:48):
the product today, which adds great perspective to it, and
you've got great stories to tell. It's always great having
you on the program, and we'll do it again soon anytime.
Thanks that is John Arezzi of the Wrestling Spotlight Radio Show.
You can hear John Arezzi's original programs as part of
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co founders of Pro Wrestling Guerrilla and the author and
the artist I believe actually of the uh of the
comic book project, the Second Shift. Please welcome the one

(01:03:56):
only mister scott O. Yeah, I'm doing that, and uh, okay,
I'm doing fine. I'm just I'm missing our second guest
just somehow dropped off the line and this good moment
ago and uh, I'm sure here will be back. Oh
here we go. I think I found him again, don't worry.
And of course we don't always have reality television stars

(01:04:17):
on your live cast, but when we do, it's usually
this man. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome tn A superstar,
mister Johnny Fair. Hell are you sir?

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
Great, we're teeny performers called superstars.

Speaker 13 (01:04:36):
Well they're not now former t A and Ring of
Honor and can get us a performer Johnny Fairplay, how's that?

Speaker 8 (01:04:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
And then Paragon, Paragon Probe Highlight and Paragon Pro Wrestling
I'm sorry, I almost and West Coast Wrestling Connection it
never it never, never, never extended the invitation. So but
I was there. I mean, I saw Scott Lost do
some some awesome stuff.

Speaker 13 (01:05:04):
So there we go.

Speaker 9 (01:05:04):
That was that wasn't me. I swear I was never
in charge of the booking.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
Okay, there's that doesn't like me, And that's okay. I mean,
you know, you know, it's not like they're clothes. Some
of the shows I went to I enjoyed very much,
and and and I and I liked the performers that
were there, good stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:05:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:05:24):
Well, well, Jolly Ryan used to like me. And then
I started talking on this show about how can his
girlfriend shouldn't be wrestling guys, and you know, he's not
returning my calls anymore. I can't explain that either.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Why I shouldn't be wrestling guys either, Pat that book
I shouldn't be wrestling guys either.

Speaker 13 (01:05:42):
Well that's sure. Well, well you haven't been as far
as I know. Okay, well, okay, now now let's stuff
get into the service business of today's show. We'll leave
be talking to Johnny about Paragon Pro and of course
and West Coast wresting connections. I mean, many, many, myriad
of things going on in professional wrestling here in September
twenty fifteen. But Scott lost and they Scott lost and

(01:06:03):
some other wrestlers have created a comic book called The
Second Shift and they are on Kickstarter. So far your
your one. Kickstarter got the first four issues of this
of this comic book off the ground. But this is
now for a trade paperback and a fifth issue? Am
I correc Scott?

Speaker 9 (01:06:20):
Yeah, that's correct. We did a couple of kickstarters before
this one, and both were successful enough to rate enough
to do a couple of issues. And yeah, so this one,
I put the goal a little bit higher, and so
I'm wanting to get an issue five on the trade
paperback on.

Speaker 13 (01:06:38):
Okay, So what is our goal for this issue.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Five?

Speaker 9 (01:06:42):
Seven hundred And we're right around three thousand, three thousand
and seven to sixty, I believe, So I need a
couple more to go, and we got about six days.

Speaker 13 (01:06:57):
Okay, Now, Johnny, if if you don't mind, I'm gonna
read the snop just said this comic that is provided
by Kickstarter. Imagine you had a dead end job that
you were held highly accountable for. We're overachieving college students,
or had trouble even achieving a job, all while trying
to start out as promising superheroes. A group of young
heroes must deal with the mundane in order to experience
the extraordinary, all on their second shift. Let's see. So

(01:07:19):
that makes sense. So let's see. So four okay, four
inexperienced heroes living in a three bedroom apartment with a
beat up in minivan. Is that that's pretty much I've
gotten this so far.

Speaker 11 (01:07:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:07:31):
Yeah, that's the that's the you know, basis of the
of the comic. But it's a lot of character development,
it's a lot of character interaction, and I think that's
what makes the book really really work and really connect
with people because it's relatable subject matter, you know, like
human being on the indies doing you know, doing pro wrestling,
a lot of us have to keep down regular jobs

(01:07:52):
and so you know, it's it's a lot of it's
a lot of the same. You know, you you go
and you do your normal nine to five and then
over the weekends or you're gone, you're you know, flying out,
you're wrestling, and so for my characters, I was like, oh,
you know, let me do something that's familiar. So instead
of being a wrestler, you know, they're they're superheroes. Even
though one character is obsessed with pro wrestling, actually does

(01:08:13):
pro wrestling in moves in the in the comic.

Speaker 13 (01:08:18):
Okay, well that's that's uh, that's definitely something there, all right.
So now the other wrestler is involved with this Mister
Excitement too, I'm not uh's work for previous work, I'm
not familiar with. He's the he's the writer, and.

Speaker 9 (01:08:31):
Yeah, he's a primary writer. And then Dino Winwood is
kind of looks like a back writer or a co
writer with Mister Excitement.

Speaker 13 (01:08:42):
Okay, And Joaquin the Carrera is an actual comic book
colorist's done, so yeah, he actually works. Who's you right now?

Speaker 9 (01:08:52):
Yeah, he works for a d C. And but we've
had a longstanding working relationship and we're friends now. So
even though he's in the big leagues, he's still coloring
the book, so which is really cool for us.

Speaker 13 (01:09:03):
Well, I mean the art does look like a big
time comic book art, So I mean, if you if
you want to check it out, I think that you
can go to Scott loostcomics dot com. Is that correct?
Like if I got that one right?

Speaker 9 (01:09:15):
Yeah, you could, Yeah, Scott Loostcomics dot com if you
want to check out some of my artwork. But if
you want to check out the kickstarter itself, it's a
kickstarter dot com and then search the second shift twenty
fifteen and that's spelled two ND, so make sure you're
putting that not se c o ND. It won't pop
up then and check it out. Or you could go
to my ears and it has the links there.

Speaker 13 (01:09:37):
Yeah it does. That's very Yeah, it's very that's very
well laid out.

Speaker 11 (01:09:41):
I like that.

Speaker 13 (01:09:42):
Okay, So now for those of you who are now,
for those of you who are not familiar, Scott Lost
is one of the co founders of Pro Wrestling Gorilla,
or as Dusty Roads would say it, Prostlin Grina, uh,
the the fine boutique for promotion for Southern California. And
let's now you were Now you were one of the
original six wrestlers who was responsible for putting this together.

(01:10:05):
So are you still are used to do you still
own a stake of Pro wrestling Grilla or has that changed?

Speaker 9 (01:10:12):
No, I guess not. I don't know. It was always
one of those things where when we put it together,
it was more for us to get more work. We
were like, you know what, we're a lot of the
small feds were dying around our area and we wanted
to work more. So we're like, you know what, We'll
just let's let's put a show together. Let's let's make
a fed. And you know, we figured out a name

(01:10:33):
and six of us put money in and we decided
who's going to do what and we went from there.
So it was never a thing where like you know,
when Disco Machine or Tuck vinto All War stopped, it
was like, okay, you know, you got to buy me out.
It was never one of those things. So, yeah, you know,
I get it, Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 13 (01:10:52):
Yeah, okay, But I mean, now, when you guys started this,
did you did you foresee? I mean, did you have
any reason to foresee? Hey, twelve years from now this
is going to be Yeah, this is not only still
gonna be going, it's gonna be one of the uh
one of the best known any promotions in the country,
and the people are gonna rave about ourselves.

Speaker 9 (01:11:09):
You know, I don't know, I kind of had a
feeling that it was going to go that route because
the talent that was involved in putting it together there
was just, you know a lot of good talent. It
was the best talent in SoCal and you know, in
my opinion. And so you know, us thinking like, okay,
who would we like to wrestle?

Speaker 8 (01:11:27):
Who?

Speaker 9 (01:11:27):
What matches would we like to watch? What matches with
the crowds like to watch? And you know, as opposed
to you know, just trying to get our friends on
and stuff like that. You know, we really put together
a strong card every show and and you know, I
didn't know it would be as big as it is,
but it's you know, I had a good feeling about it.

Speaker 13 (01:11:45):
Okay. Now, I mean the one thing I've heard about
pw G, I don't know that's the criticism, is that
it's sort of the same vibe that people had on
ECW in the mid nineties, which is, why don't they
run bigger buildings, Why don't they get on pay per view?
Why don't they you know a lot of one don't
they get television? I mean, but I understand part of
the deal with is you know, the moment you guys

(01:12:06):
you know, hit hit. I mean the moment you guys
get on iPad, get on pay per view or or
get television. Is the moment that suddenly you can't. You
can't you don't necessarily have the guys from TNA and
Ring of Honor and uh and evolved being able to
come in.

Speaker 9 (01:12:23):
Yeah, that's true, that's that. I'd imagine that could be
part of the problem. I think there's a you know,
the comfort level is really strong at Resida, and you know,
in the past we have run in bigger, bigger buildings
and we didn't have as big of a turnout as
we'd like, and then we'd run into other problems. So
I think it's just a comfort level in Resita, you know.

(01:12:46):
As far as them doing anything more, I don't know,
but yeah, that's definitely a problem. Like we actually ran
into that problem a little bit with t n A
and r O, h uh, Like I don't know for
for a little bit, like I think half of a
year a few years back where that they weren't letting
certain guys on because our DVDs were getting distributed so
much and it was affecting their DVDs or somehow I

(01:13:06):
don't know, and so, but I don't know how got
straightened out because I guess they realized, Hey, we're on
the indies and people need to make money.

Speaker 13 (01:13:15):
Yeah, that's that's very clel Okay, we're gonna we're gonna
start going to the phones. Six four six seven eight
is the way you reach us. We're going to take
one call, then we're going to have to take a
break and have lots of commercial messages. Let's kick things
off with the two four oh area code two four
oh police station, name and town. You on the live cast.

Speaker 14 (01:13:36):
This is Frank Crumblin, Maryland.

Speaker 13 (01:13:38):
How you doing, Ryan good?

Speaker 14 (01:13:40):
First question is even PWGD see ever becoming a world
champion in.

Speaker 8 (01:13:45):
The w E.

Speaker 14 (01:13:47):
This tickets one rustler like the most likely one to
be the world champions like Daniel Bryan.

Speaker 13 (01:13:52):
Did of me of who's there now?

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:13:58):
Current roster?

Speaker 13 (01:14:00):
Uh huh, just wanted to make sure. But Scott, you
know what.

Speaker 9 (01:14:04):
I'm not, I'm not too well versed on the current roster.
I've I've seen some guys that are really impressive. I
think I think guys on the card that have the
ability to go even further for sure of the Bucks.
I mean, I've seen them wrestle, you know, in the past,
more so recently. I think they could definitely be uh
in w W and make make you know waves while

(01:14:27):
they're there. They're just on a different level from when
when they were wrestling, when I was wrestling. There's something
completely different. They get it and and it's impressive to see.

Speaker 13 (01:14:40):
Okay, let's say I'm gonna say, out of who's there,
I would think also Roderick Strong and Kylo Riley and
you know I and I mean, yeah, they will probably
at the very least, you know, one of them will
get back into the to the r O H World
title at some point. About making it in w W,
A that's a little more uh, that's a little more difficult,
I mean ability. Yeah, it's hard to talk to a

(01:15:01):
lot of people that you know, so a lot of people.
If you told him two years ago it's gonna be
it's gonna be Kevin Stein, you know, they would have
they would have maybe not not believe you. I guess
it would be fine. Also, also, i'd say, Zach Saber Jr. Johnny,
do you have any opinions on the current pn BG roster.

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
I mean, I'm a I'm a fan of Trevor Lee,
so I could see him making it to w E.

Speaker 13 (01:15:23):
He a only hit the big time. He's a former
TNA World taking champions time.

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
Yeah, I heard.

Speaker 9 (01:15:31):
I think O'Reilly Like you mentioned, he's he's a talent.
He's one of those guys where I could see making
it up to the w W kind of making a
a Matt Sidel level, uh you knows, somewhere around it,
and I could definitely see him there. He has this
style that that would work very well in the w W.

Speaker 14 (01:15:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:15:51):
Well, I mean we've we've I mean the past couple
of years, you know, I mean, I mean, you know
Daniel Bryan Was, you know was. I would have not
guessed Daniel brian Is. That's headlining WrestleMania, you know, ten
years ago. I think I made jokes about that at
the time, and you know, I probably wouldn't have guessed
Kevin Ollens. So it's yeah, it's hard to tell. I mean,
I yeah, it's uh, but you know, those are some

(01:16:12):
good guesses.

Speaker 8 (01:16:12):
I think.

Speaker 14 (01:16:13):
Next question, I next question is about brand. Do you
think he'll ever recover from what happened with his rust?
Do you ever see him becoming like a major story
again in any of the major wrestling federation types as
Ring and Honor, DNA or BE.

Speaker 13 (01:16:30):
That's a that's a tough one. That's a tough one
to come back from. But you know, wrestlers have managed
to uh manage to get dinged for domestic violence and
and make comebacks. Unfortunately, it's I think it's gonna be
a while before that happens.

Speaker 9 (01:16:44):
Uh, I don't know, Scott, I'm sorry, who was that?

Speaker 13 (01:16:48):
Uh raised?

Speaker 9 (01:16:51):
Yeah, yeah, you know what that is. That's such a
hot topic button right now, like you know, just you
can't you know, stuff going on in the NFL, and
I don't know, I think that's going to be a
tough one to come back from.

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Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
Okay, Johnny, I think more pressing than a possible DIRBE
contract or ring of honor is probably as immigration status.
So he probably won't be in the United States and
in a couple of months, so so probably not.

Speaker 13 (01:18:07):
Yeah, that's the let's put that. It's gonna take a
pretty long while if it happened. But all.

Speaker 14 (01:18:14):
Kay five questions about E three. A lot of people
say he's not worthy to beat he and a champion.
Do you think he's worthy to be the p w
D World Champion?

Speaker 13 (01:18:25):
Hmm? I I don't know that. I mean, I don't
I haven't always seen I didn't want I'm curious how
he put in in p w G. Let's see, Scott,
what do you think?

Speaker 9 (01:18:38):
Yeah, I'm not too sure.

Speaker 13 (01:18:40):
Yeah, I think that would. I think that's that's the
one where you'd have to see how he'd adapt to
p w G and vice versa before you can determine
whether he'd be a champion there. I mean, that's just yeah,
that's just too much guess work, Johnny.

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
No Way, pretty clear there, Johnny. Yeah, I mean, I
mean I'm not. I mean, i I've met, I've met
the dude. He's nice, you know, I like him. He's
he's got that that uh, very muscular for his size,
and it's it's more of a T and a you know,

(01:19:19):
hopefully one day WWE build and it's not base for performance,
it's more based for looks.

Speaker 13 (01:19:26):
So yeah, I'm sure that his goal would probably be
to try and get back into w W A. Of course,
of course he can't do that right now because he's
under contract DNA, but you know what I mean, yeahs.

Speaker 5 (01:19:38):
And then he'll probably he'll probably make it back as
long as you know, as as long as the right
person wants him there. You know, as I said, his
body's made for w B and it is made for
show rather than go. And it's not a knock at him.
I mean, you know, it's he dropped, you know, probably
twenty pounds and was you know, possibly five years younger.
He would probably be more base four go.

Speaker 8 (01:20:01):
So but he's not.

Speaker 9 (01:20:03):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely want to stay in the area though,
where you're going to be making the money, so you
know tn AWW So I don't know, just doesn't make
sense professionally to you know, try to aim at PWG
or any any Eddie and d fed Really you know,
you want to go to the miss time.

Speaker 13 (01:20:19):
So presumably he'd be doing that Wall, you know, he'd
be doing that while working for TNA if he did
at the ball. Okay, all right, Ryan, thanks for Kank.

Speaker 14 (01:20:28):
You appreciate it.

Speaker 13 (01:20:28):
Thank sure I have Kenny Wall. Ryan baps off and
that opens up a line for you. It's course to it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:35):
Today that's the sixteenth anniversary of Survivor and the twa
anniversary of my first appearance on Survivor, and I will
be the Survivor premier party in high Point, North Carolina
with Joe Varner, who was on Survivor season two and
is on the current season starting tonight on Survivor's Side
of Chance.

Speaker 8 (01:20:54):
So there you go.

Speaker 9 (01:20:56):
So he's currently Survivor.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
I yeah, currently, I'm currently a free agent.

Speaker 13 (01:21:05):
However, if you are wishing to book Johnny fair Play,
I you can contact Bill Barons. I believe that showbiz
at AOL dot com. And he will, he'll be glad
to uh, he'll be glad to take care of that
for you.

Speaker 9 (01:21:15):
Yes, you will, thank you all.

Speaker 13 (01:21:16):
Kay, And I got that right, Okay, and so so
so other than do you have I know you're plugging.
I know I know what you have? Now what what?

Speaker 15 (01:21:26):
What?

Speaker 12 (01:21:26):
Other?

Speaker 13 (01:21:27):
What other appearances can people see Johnny Fair play out
in the air future?

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
That's it. I'm not nothing. Wow, No, I'm I'm I.
I have a seven year old. I'm happy. I got
my twenty sixteen is a big chunk is already booked.
So I am. I am a happy guy. I'm ready
ready to watch football, Uh, some some wrestling when it's good,

(01:21:55):
So good luck with that and uh and hitting the
hitting the slopes. And that's that's it.

Speaker 13 (01:22:02):
You've also you've also been doing a podcast off and
on over at over at Progrestling dot net. Is is it?
Is it off or on? At the moment?

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
Currently off, I do a do a of a podcast
at xbox. It's just based on our schedules. And uh,
he's a will at three am on schedule and and
and I'm not awake at three am, so so you know,
if there's a day that that he his sleep schedules wacky.

(01:22:33):
Then then we'll we'll knock out one and can go
from there.

Speaker 13 (01:22:37):
Okay, so so we can, so we can. That could
happen at any time probably now.

Speaker 5 (01:22:42):
Sure, sure, I mean you know it takes you know,
you know, we we we like to talk about pop
culture events and stuff like that. So you know, let's
let's see a little closer to the Republican nominee. Maybe
we'll we'll uh, well we'll do one so uh you
know who knows.

Speaker 13 (01:23:03):
Okay, Yeah, well we'll yeah, we'll probably save the political
talk for twenty six Team Johnny probably, uh that'll be
quite the podcast when we do that one.

Speaker 5 (01:23:10):
Okay, yea for the rest, I do I do base
my presidential votes on WrestleMania appearances, So you know, for
for those of you that are that are Trump haters,
I I can I can already tell you if he
is there, one vote is cast because he does have
he will have more WrestleMania appearances than any other nominee.

(01:23:33):
I'm sure.

Speaker 13 (01:23:35):
So so what what what what tabinet thirst do you
think vincrick Man would happen? That administration is uh a
secretary of ruthless aggression.

Speaker 8 (01:23:46):
There you go.

Speaker 13 (01:23:50):
All right, let's go back to the Uh, let's go to.

Speaker 5 (01:23:55):
He has already been been been named, so h so
why why why couldn't Bens be there?

Speaker 9 (01:24:00):
It'll be a problem though, because then there'll be a
there'll be a plan, and then you know, when the
plans write a value go down, it will change his
mind and then just you know, think of something else.

Speaker 5 (01:24:10):
Right right on the plane.

Speaker 13 (01:24:13):
That's right, Okay, we have we have a caller and
it's one of the biggest p w G fans we
have in our audience. He has done with his Mid
African guacoma treatment. Uh, let's go to the seven seven
three area code seven seven three three station and then
down you're on with stop lost in Jihn's flay?

Speaker 11 (01:24:31):
Why would you do that? Hi, boss, it's not I
see now I can't react. My real question now because
that introducts.

Speaker 13 (01:24:41):
Yes you can, yes, yes you can.

Speaker 11 (01:24:43):
No, No, seriously, my first question is with New Japan
has to be translated the New York the network and
we'll bring him honor making a big splash. These two
giants deaths actually making way. Where where on the map

(01:25:03):
would Correscle's will be? Right now?

Speaker 9 (01:25:07):
Honestly, I don't know. I don't know what their current
plans would be. I don't know what they're thinking as
far as expansion goes or or you know, touring or
trying to get on pay per views or anything like that.
I mean, obviously that's the next logical step. Like I think,
I think PWG is a big enough name to where
they should have been traveling, uh, you know, before I

(01:25:28):
stopped wrestling, I think we should have been on the road,
you know, if not close to the end there. And
they definitely should be there now because I see so
much talk you know about PWG all the time, and
and it's one of those things where it was where
ro Oh was when they you know, are it was
at a point where r Oh was, you know, a

(01:25:49):
few years back. It's like they started, you know, touring
the States and you know, going, you know, we did
a European a couple of European trips and for PWG,
and that was cool. But I think it's time to expel.

Speaker 11 (01:26:03):
And that and as a fan, right now is a
good time for you know, wrestling promotions to make their
move because right now, I know fans are not happy
with with the current product that is w W because
the radiance are showing for the Monday night.

Speaker 5 (01:26:21):
So I'm I'm unhappy at I'm more than happy at
nine ninety five a months. I think it's just fine.

Speaker 11 (01:26:33):
Something else better. But let me get to the next point.
My next point, there's I've seen something on the internet.
Ring of Bar in New Japan is coming to Chicago.
I don't know if it's going to be at the
I doubt it'll be at the All State Arena. I
don't know if it'll be at the United Center. So
I'm gonna figure out where it's going to be because

(01:26:53):
i want to be there to see it because I've
never seen it live and I'm really looking forward to it.
So you know, if you guys was to come to Chicago,
where would you come? Where would you be? You know what?

Speaker 12 (01:27:04):
Where?

Speaker 9 (01:27:05):
Oh man, I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure
where we would go. That that's well, that's one of
the things too, that you got a factor in the
size of PWG. You know, on the indie level, as
far as our name goes, our names, our name is
pretty big. But as far as our production, like, we
have a ceiling and as far as you know, I

(01:27:26):
think I think if we started touring. I think if
PWS started touring around, the audience would grow and grow
and grow, but it would be all on like what
the initial budget is, and then we would you know,
they would move forward from there. So that's what you
have to think about first. You can't really just jump
into like a big arena like right away, you know,
unless we did, like you know, PWG started to do

(01:27:48):
pre sales and just to gauge or something like that,
but you would have to have a date and a building.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
Oh okay, I think just time and real quick. I
think PWT is great the way it is. I think
the reason it's special is because it is special. So
I think, you know, adding extra dates, going to bigger
buildings and stuff like that, it takes away the specialness
of it, so, you know, and and the fact that

(01:28:16):
it's not an ipay review allows them to have the
talent that they do have. And if the once you
change that, you're not going to get these extra people
that are that are contractually not available to be there.
So so I'd say, if it's not if it ain't broke,
don't fix it. I mean, they could easily move to
a bigger building in Los Angeles now and they choose

(01:28:36):
not to, And maybe there's a reason for it, Maybe
they like what it is and you know, and and sure,
you know, some people don't like waiting, you know, three
hours to get inside of the building, but that's not
stopping any of those people from waiting three hours outside
of the building because there's a thousand other people that
will take their spots in a second. So what's wrong

(01:28:57):
with that? Let it be right right?

Speaker 9 (01:28:59):
I agree, But there's definitely a there's definitely a fan
base out there that have been wanting PWG to go
out there, and I think that added tour dates that
wouldn't really necessarily affect, you know, bringing people in. But
then if it became something bigger, let's say a pay
per view, then there in lights the issues that's like okay,
well you know, before it was just a show, and

(01:29:21):
then now you guys are actually you know, but you know,
doing pay per views, Like okay, that's when you don't
get to used the tn TNA guys, the r OH guys.
And I think PWG, no matter where they are, I
think it's special in itself. I think when we did
the European trip. It was it was special, and it's
it's because a lot of the guys coming in know
that they're wrestling for PWG. And it's a company that

(01:29:44):
doesn't necessarily take itself too seriously. They PMG expects good
wrestling out of you. That's when you get when you
get booked to PWG, you go there with your a
game because not because they're the biggest name or they're
paying you the most, it's it's because they're PWG and
everyone else on the card is going to bust their
butts for for for the name, and they do. And

(01:30:06):
I think other promoter promotions notice that, like, oh I
had that guy on last week and he wasn't working
as hard as he is at PWG. Why is that?
And I think it's because of the rabbid audience at
the PWG. Uh bring you know, and he.

Speaker 5 (01:30:21):
Probably wasn't paired with the right guy.

Speaker 9 (01:30:24):
Right right exactly? You know, you you could wrestle uh
you know, a bunch of stiffs in local areas and
they they're probably not any good. And then you know
when you're interrupt.

Speaker 5 (01:30:34):
The promoters, the promoter's best friend and you know whatever
you're you're going to get that match.

Speaker 9 (01:30:40):
So and I've and I've had those matches a lot,
So I.

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
Do interview segments with them and then I have to
take a bump from them and then I go, wow,
you're not really sick. This was awesome.

Speaker 11 (01:30:53):
Yeah, okay, my last question, yes, my last question.

Speaker 15 (01:31:00):
Nah.

Speaker 11 (01:31:00):
I was looking at the official side of the pre
Us and Griller right, and the names are familiar, So
can you tell me because I haven't seen these guys
with Ring of Honor and stuff like that, you young Bucks
and h H and all. So the ties. Can you
kind of like, you know, help me out with you

(01:31:20):
know you guys, do you guys you know share share
talent with other other promotions, you know, explain that part
to me what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (01:31:30):
That essentially, it's it's whatever whatever wrestling talents out there
that you know, the bookers will see and they think
will be a good fit for PWG, they'll bring them in.
So it's not that it's not like WW or or
t n A or r o H where there's a
set roster. UH. PBG has kind of like a central

(01:31:51):
roster and then they'll bring other guys in that they
think will work with p WG really well. And then
if those those guys keep coming, if they keep working,
if the crowd likes them, then PB you will keep
bringing them in. So essentially that's how it works on
the indies. You know, you book who's who, you think
is good, it's not.

Speaker 8 (01:32:06):
It's not just today.

Speaker 9 (01:32:07):
Well we got these guys under contract.

Speaker 16 (01:32:09):
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Speaker 11 (01:32:57):
Oh I know that I'm not spacing the US, and
I just got to show this in a so with me.

Speaker 13 (01:33:07):
Okay, six such two of the Shorts podcast at newmail
dot com. Let's say it read us. We try to
limit people on the Wednesday show to three questions, and
I'll try to ask sort of questions. Yes it is,
I need to get all my sound effects loaded for that,
but you get you get the gist of it now, Scott,
You're I've got to say you are unique and that
you actually retired from the pro wrestling business at the

(01:33:30):
age of thirty five years ago. Is there any point
where you've been tempted to get back in and wrestle again.

Speaker 8 (01:33:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:33:37):
You know what, It's funny too, because, uh, I think
I think a lot of guys that have wrestled and stopped,
they always get the itch and and it's something with
me where my brain's never turned it off. Like you know,
I'll just be doing regular mundane things around the house
and then I'll think of a new spot or I'll
think of a new move, and my brain's never been
able to turn that off. So I usually just I'll

(01:33:57):
text for my buddies, Hey do you want this? You
can have you know, obviously I'm not going to use it,
and uh, you know, once in a while I'll go
to a show and I'll basically roll around before the
show and try to get it out of my system
that way. And you know, the most recent thing was
like I kind of felt like doing a practice match,
like going, you know, go go to training and have

(01:34:18):
a practice match with someone, maybe record it and throw
it online or something, but never officially come back. Like
I went to PWG ten and just the talent level
that's increased since then. This first time I saw that
kid O'Reilly, he's him and TJ had this amazing match,
and it blew my mind and I was just like, Wow,
I can't compete with these guys anymore. It's you know,
it's you know, I was good for my time, and

(01:34:40):
my time was five years ago, So I don't know
how well I keep up with these guys now.

Speaker 13 (01:34:46):
No, I understand because I used to. I used to
run in these shows and I seriously get the year
to take handfuls of twenty dollars bills and throw the
whole way. You know that that Yeah, there you go.
So some jill Any promoters that okay, let's go back,
let's take some let's take some questions to me chat,
and we're gonna start with our man singer CHICKI singer
wants to know, uh, do you think Daniel Brian will

(01:35:08):
ever return to pro wrestling? Typically I don't think he's
away from pro wrestling. I think that I suspect that
if he doesn't wrestle again, WWE will use him as
some sort of ambassador or or your guest instructor at
the performance center or something like that. I mean, I
I you know, I wrote a column several weeks back
where I express my concerns at somebody with fourteen concussions

(01:35:31):
might not be able to wrestle again. I think WWE,
from what I hear, has many of the same concerns. Uh, Johnny,
what do you think.

Speaker 5 (01:35:40):
I was talking to Bruce Mitchell from the Torch after SummerSlam.
I believe and and and we we were talking about
Wrestleingian heus WrestleMania is definitely going to be Undertaker versus
Brockwest or they're not.

Speaker 8 (01:35:55):
Going to do it before.

Speaker 5 (01:35:56):
I don't care what the twenty five year date was
from his day you, I don't care about any of that.
There's no way they're they're not going to save Undertaker
versus rock Listener for WrestleMania. Well he's he was wrong.
And uh so we we were talking about the yes.
Yes was not the first time, but Bruce did Bruce

(01:36:20):
did very well on Jim Ross's podcast talking about not
a champions stuff. Anyone wants to check that out, go
to PW podcast and I'm sure there's a link there
or you or whatever. So anyway, but my my unofficial
official prediction for WrestleMania right now is includes Dang O'Brien

(01:36:41):
and and if you don't mind, I'm just preparing for you,
for you for your show.

Speaker 8 (01:36:46):
Pat.

Speaker 5 (01:36:46):
Here here's here's here's where I'm out with the lineup.

Speaker 8 (01:36:49):
I have a.

Speaker 5 (01:36:52):
Brock Brock versus Stone Cold. Despite what Stonefold says, if
Stone Cold is going to come back, uh, he's not
gonna tell people. So Rock versus Stone Cold, Undertaker versus Sena,
Rock versus Room and Reigns, Jeff Hardy versus Bray Wyatt,
and that's Rollins versus Daniel Bryant.

Speaker 13 (01:37:15):
Okay, Okay, Johnny, that's great. I just have a feeling
that I would enjoy that more than what the actual
lineup is gonna be. When it happened to Russelmania.

Speaker 5 (01:37:25):
Well well well, I mean like you got to. I
mean they want one hundred thousand people there. I plan
on being one of them. If if the card is
remotely close to that, and and I don't see I
don't I mean Ronderralse, he has already given her her
film schedule. Ronder Ralse's not gonna work out. And you know,
so for anyone going, it's sure it's gonna take a

(01:37:47):
lot of money and get stone Cold to come back.
They got ron Ralse, Ronderralse money to play with, to
add on.

Speaker 8 (01:37:53):
To whatever they offer, get to support it.

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
So and I and everyone else is kind of fits in.

Speaker 13 (01:37:59):
All right, here's here's what I'm going to say. If
if Austin doesn't come back to this WrestleMania, if he's
the one in Texas that's in Dallas, he's never coming back.
I mean, this is this or nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:38:10):
Yeah, he never got the final match he he wanted
to have. Has he been talking about.

Speaker 9 (01:38:18):
He's in the physical shape to to have a final match.
I mean, he's been out for so long and he's.

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
He's jacked right now.

Speaker 13 (01:38:26):
He's he's jack jack.

Speaker 5 (01:38:29):
Yeah, he's in the shape to come back.

Speaker 9 (01:38:33):
Okay, all right, there's the spine though those were more
his issues. His neck and his knees were always the problem.
Never his physical shape. He's always been in you know,
the physical shape Uh, you know, the cardio and all that,
but injuries it will always take you. I mean he's
still jacked up from five years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:38:55):
Well, the word, the word on the street with Brock
is he's he's a lot safer than he. I mean,
you know, and and no one's asking for sup like
City versus versus Stone Cold and and uh and I'll
take a Jeff Carrett punch and kick special all day
long and be happy.

Speaker 13 (01:39:14):
Okay, getting back to the question though, Scott, what do
you think, first of all, you know, first of all,
in the concussion that's your second of all, whether Daniel
Bryan's ever coming back.

Speaker 9 (01:39:26):
He supposedly he's had fourteen concussions.

Speaker 13 (01:39:29):
Then I've they I I put I put that in
a column in the Torch. Basically that's that's my best
estimate based on what's in his book and uh and
report and the concussions that have been reported over time.

Speaker 9 (01:39:44):
You know, I've I've had I've had my fair share
of concussions too, And and uh, I think that you know,
you'll you can't get to a point where you're going
to stop. But I don't know if if Brian's there,
I mean, he loves the business. And you know, well

(01:40:04):
the caller asked earlier, like who the next guy to
make it is? You know, because because because Brian made it,
like Brian was special. You know, there there were guys
in the powg locker room. They go, Okay, that guy's
in in. That guy's special in a locker room full
of special people. So you know those are the people
that are to make it. And Brian and Generico those
were two of the guys that you could go, Okay,

(01:40:25):
those guys are going somewhere in this life. And so
I think how much Brian loves this business. I could
see him coming back. I don't put that past him.

Speaker 13 (01:40:34):
Let's go to uh, let's take hey, let's take some
email questions. We haven't done that in a little while.
As as a matter of fact, Uh, that's a couple
of them from from your buddy Kylan. Johnny Uh wants
to know.

Speaker 5 (01:40:46):
North New Jersey.

Speaker 13 (01:40:49):
Kylan said in an email. He wants to know whether
Triple A is spreading the NXT brands too thin bye,
by holding the next by holding the NXC take over
specials too close together.

Speaker 5 (01:41:02):
No, as long as there's a sleng, theer's a built
in weekend audience. Uh for like a Summer Slam or
or a Survivor series or or or something of that nature.
Uh you you you do them when when the people
are there, I mean, they don't like the the quote

(01:41:23):
unquote parasitic groups stealing what could be their money. So
so these these you know, these you know your Wrestlmingia's
your Summer slams and and you know you're Big four
where you had your Ring of Honors and and uh
and and uh Dragon Gate and stuff like that, you know, uh,

(01:41:43):
attempting to you know, grab some of those those people
that are concentrating those areas. I think you're going to
see more NXT specials than you should. I mean, because
they're the w B is the reason that those people traveled.
And and if you're w you wont every dollar possible.

Speaker 13 (01:42:01):
Okay, talk about this. I feel you know, WW has
created their own basic basically their own super indie brand.
And NXT do you feel, you know, do you feel
flattered or or like a comparisoner, you're upset, but they
know they're ripping off h they're ripping off a concept
or what do you think of it? What do you
think of that?

Speaker 9 (01:42:18):
Next thing, you know what, people were building up n
XT for a while. To me, I actually stopped watching
w W for a while. I was I didn't care
for the product, and it was it was uh, Sammy's
Zain and Claudio was Claudio's w name. Yeah. They were like, oh,

(01:42:39):
you gotta watch Claudio and Janerico's match, and uh. I
watched it and I was like huh and they were like, oh,
so good. It was so good and all I've been
on shows where those guys of wrestling their matches than that. Yeah,
And so I was like, let's everybody freaking out about
And it took me a little bit to understand that
everyone was so excited because it was WW product but

(01:43:02):
was an indie product as well. It was it was
kind of this hybrid w W in D style and
that's kind of the style I've always wrestled, because my
goal was always to try to get to the W
and but you know, you have to play to the audience.
Plus I love doing cool moves, So I was like,
you know what, I want to do the indie style still,
but I wanted to be somewhere closer to the W style.
And so my thoughts on m XT is. I'm bummed

(01:43:24):
out because I wish it was around when I was
working and uh uh, But at the same time, I'm
happy for the wrestling business. It's like, you know, if
if you have the w finally understanding that everything evolves,
everything changes, and they're finally getting it and it's moving.
I mean, you have seth Rawlins and John Cena doing

(01:43:46):
indie style matches in on the w you know, Summer
Slam and and uh you know, nine Champions or whatever,
and and it's like, that's that's pretty cool to see it,
and it's and it makes for entertaining matches and it
I think if any thing, it'll help the crowd understand
it more because when you have that old style WW

(01:44:06):
wrestling and you have those fans engraved with that, a
lot of times it's hard to break out of that mold.
So when you see an indie match, you go, there's
too much going on here. No, I don't like this,
you know. And I think the the cross branding with
indie and w W, it's a good thing for the
business and and it's it's I'm actually watching NXT more.
I'm watching the Dusty Rhodes tag tournaments and just kind

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of the women's matches are really really interesting. Like some
of them are clearly not good, but there's there's some
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kind of wish they'd tried ten years ago. Like you're saying,
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actually the next question from the chatroom is for you, Johnny,
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Speaker 13 (01:48:30):
All Right, question for Johnny. If you can pick one wrestler,
a manager in TNA or a ring of honor, who
would it be?

Speaker 8 (01:48:36):
Who? Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:48:40):
Wow? I like that Dalton Castle guy, but I don't
don't think he needs me.

Speaker 13 (01:48:46):
So I would say he doesn't badly. Yeah, you could
be one of his boys.

Speaker 5 (01:48:53):
No, no, no, uh yikes. I'm trying to think who's
left on the roster. I don't, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 13 (01:49:08):
Uh Roberts maybe, yeah, Robert Trong he there you go. Yeah,
he means there, that's a good choice. I think he
even need to manager. Well, similar questions for you, Scott,
if you came if you want to, if you came
back to wrestle somebody, and I know that you're not,
who would it be.

Speaker 9 (01:49:24):
Do they have to be working right now too?

Speaker 8 (01:49:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:49:27):
They have to be of honor TNA. That's my my, my,
my question got handicapped human slate.

Speaker 13 (01:49:33):
So yeah, okay you might be well, might as well
put that on you, okay, okay, uh.

Speaker 9 (01:49:41):
Yeah, probably Riley Kid, he's Kyler Rally. Yeah, if I
could restent hard obviously.

Speaker 5 (01:49:50):
Yeah, it just pretty much not not in his prime
just now right now, because we're because you win, I
you're thinking, yeah, yeah, pick them up.

Speaker 13 (01:50:06):
Good idea. All right, so let's take an email question. Well,
we'll see an impact really be airing beyond the next lines.
Say yes, actually really email Fastener, it's going to be
airing through January.

Speaker 5 (01:50:18):
Whenever the next tapings.

Speaker 13 (01:50:21):
Uh, I don't know that. I actually saw a headline
saying that there are going to be tape things that
I don't actually buy. Didn't actually click on it, so
I'm sure, yeah, I you know, they they said that
they have enough that they can stick together several weeks.
They take a whole bunch of crap out of sequence,
like over a day or two in Orlando to fill.

(01:50:42):
So they're going to be putting together filler for several weeks.
Not exciting, you know, knowing that you're getting filler.

Speaker 5 (01:50:47):
But yeah, you want you want to inside scoop pat?

Speaker 13 (01:50:52):
Oh? Sure.

Speaker 5 (01:50:54):
I texted Dixie and asked if I could be bound
for Glorious it's two hours from my.

Speaker 13 (01:50:58):
House and take us it on still now.

Speaker 5 (01:51:03):
And she she she texted back, she said, you need
to ask Big John Gerborick so and I'm like, isn't
it your company?

Speaker 8 (01:51:13):
So whatever?

Speaker 5 (01:51:15):
If I didn't, I didn't text that back. I just
said should I just call?

Speaker 7 (01:51:20):
That?

Speaker 5 (01:51:20):
Was that actually my reply? It's a Sunday night. I
could probably sleeep and watch football and feel.

Speaker 13 (01:51:26):
Okay, you probably if you were so inclined, Yes, okay,
let's see.

Speaker 8 (01:51:32):
Is there the.

Speaker 13 (01:51:32):
Opportunity to w w le? No, I don't think so,
that's no beyond beyond beyond beyond various appearances on on you.
God knows he's not going to be on the main roster,
that he's not going to be doing anything Vince.

Speaker 5 (01:51:47):
I do believe Vince Russo is writing the the Russo
Adulph Zigler stuff.

Speaker 13 (01:51:53):
Yeah, that's possible.

Speaker 9 (01:51:55):
Russo Russo is writing the Dolphin Diiglar stuff. So he's
just like watching old John Michaels stuff or what it's.

Speaker 5 (01:52:04):
Doesn't know the storyline with uh yeah with uh, I
know he's he's watching old old Billy Gunn. Uh Vignette.

Speaker 9 (01:52:13):
Oh no, man, I'm watching. I'm watching. Uh, I'm watching
currently and I was watching Dolph Ziglar Russell and I'm like, wow,
he is really watching a lot of Seawan Michael's stuff.
I mean, I know because I've watched tons of Sean
Michaels and and he's aping him hard like like he
used to he used to be a Billy gun clone.
But but I always thought Billy Gunn was kind of

(01:52:34):
like a poor man Shawn Michaels. And I'm watching Ziggler
now and he moves and it's it's very impressive. Actually,
I actually he's one of my favorite guys to watch
because he moves so much like Seawn Michaels now, Like
he even goes over the ropes the way he does
drop kicks. It pretty much. Almost everything he's doing, he's
selling like Seawan Michaels a lot. It's pretty crazy. So

(01:52:56):
he's doing a great job. I don't know if I
care for the storyline very much. Know it's it's pretty terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:53:02):
I've seen a lot of Shawn michaels in, Seth Rawlins
right now.

Speaker 9 (01:53:08):
Seth Brown. Yet you know what, Seth Seth Brown, He's
there's a combination of talents there. He's definitely doing some
Shawn Michael stuff, but he's there's a lot of stuff
that all his own.

Speaker 5 (01:53:21):
No, No, I mean the Show Michael stuff that I
am seeing is is just you know, amazing, of course,
but like I'm just seeing little glimpses and I'm just like, oh,
this guy has got a great, great civil few years
left and they're gonna be Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:53:36):
Yeah, absolutely. That's definitely not a knock on either one
of the guys.

Speaker 5 (01:53:39):
Like saying, take of this.

Speaker 9 (01:53:42):
It's like you're learning, you're learning off of the greats.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I mean, I was
doing that my first few years. That's all I was
trying to do is emulate, emulate those guys. So those
are it's a great learning tool. And and you know,
it's really impressive to see.

Speaker 5 (01:53:56):
That Scott, I knew, I knew what I was doing.
I wasn't emulating anyone.

Speaker 8 (01:54:01):
And then.

Speaker 13 (01:54:05):
Get well, if it's better than having to watch all
the st Jones matches, I guess I don't know nothing
against though. All right, another question, now, this one's from
the chat room. What are the chances of a double
of a double turn in the Receven Ziggler feud of

(01:54:28):
w W doing a double turn on with Ruce Ziggler.

Speaker 9 (01:54:32):
So Ziggler is going to be the heel and then
going to be the face.

Speaker 13 (01:54:37):
In this guy's world. Yes, that that's what it would be.
I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (01:54:42):
It's whatever is going on, right, it looks like that's
where they're heading. But that that's the worst thing ever.
I mean, I mean I would I would like Dolph
as a heel. I I have no problem with that,
but Rus the heel. So, I mean, you know it's
it's you know, Ziggo does something dastardly and just moves

(01:55:03):
on really quickly, and then you give Ruse a couple
of weeks away and he comes back and he's still
as scumback you.

Speaker 13 (01:55:10):
Know, yeah, something else, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 8 (01:55:12):
Really the best.

Speaker 9 (01:55:13):
That's really the best way to go.

Speaker 13 (01:55:15):
He doesn't want to be a scumbag. I see him
more as you know, he's like doing the Bulgaria.

Speaker 5 (01:55:19):
What I call every I call every bad guy scumbag
case in point myself. We're okay, it's it's it's good comping.

Speaker 12 (01:55:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:55:30):
I think definitely nothing admiable down him.

Speaker 8 (01:55:34):
Okay, Yeah, I think.

Speaker 9 (01:55:37):
Definitely would work better as a heel. I think his
his persona, his gimmick. It's it's definitely a heel gimmick
and you can you can ride the edge of it
like Seawn Michaels did when he was a heel, you know,
in the like right before d X and in d X.
There's just that there's something about him that I think,
you know, I think he kind of gets a bit

(01:55:58):
of a mixed reaction with the crowd because is I
think guys kind of want to hate him because he's
like this pretty boy and he does everything really good
and and I don't know, there's something about him that
you just don't want to necessarily like. But his athleticism
is talent. It always shines through. So I think that
works best when you're a heel because it gives the
people that don't like you for some reason the reason

(01:56:18):
to not like you because you're you know, a bad
guy or a heel. And so I think he would
be best for him, you know, to get out of this.
I don't know, I don't know. It's it seems like
a rut to me, like he hasn't he hasn't really
been very prominent lately besides this, the angle and the
not very good well.

Speaker 13 (01:56:36):
I spoiler alert, He's pretty prominent on Total Divas this season.
So apparently apparently the big apparently the big storyline coming
up on Total Divas in the next week or two
is he's going to try to steal Nicky Bella from
John Cena. I'm sure next next.

Speaker 5 (01:56:54):
Week they I don't know if it's the season finale
or mid season finale. He professes his loves Key who
he used to date, and said that and said that
he will he would marry her and would give her
a kid versus John, you know, instead of you, because
John Cena won't and and so and this is you know,
from a from a few months back. And so I'm
sitting there watching, I'm just like anyone wondering why Dolph

(01:57:16):
Snickler doesn't get the bush that you really want him
to get. Uh, stop hitting on the number one guy's chick.

Speaker 13 (01:57:24):
Yeah, this is this is a reality show. I mean
you're saying that he's actually hitting on his hitting on johnthan.

Speaker 5 (01:57:30):
I was surprised. He doesn't strike me as as the
smartest guy. I mean, like the guy's channeling poison and
doc and you know on his jacket, you know, for
cool points. So no, the guy, you know, he had
and lost her. Okay, the guy's not right.

Speaker 9 (01:57:51):
Yeah, and you know you're in a in a wrestling
mock room. Uh did that happens?

Speaker 14 (01:57:56):
You know?

Speaker 9 (01:57:57):
So it's just.

Speaker 5 (01:58:00):
You know, like you you you know you oh yeah,
you hick you know, go after like you know. That's
that's why I chick retire.

Speaker 13 (01:58:10):
I mean this smart Yeah, all.

Speaker 5 (01:58:14):
Right, or on the autograph circuit, you don't need to
be back there.

Speaker 13 (01:58:19):
You're good.

Speaker 5 (01:58:19):
They'll they'll put me on Raw and you on SmackDown.
And I'm done for.

Speaker 13 (01:58:24):
Pretty much that that is. Okay, We're coming up to
the end of the live hour and uh, anything after
anything after we wrap up here will be available for
download with the rest of the podcast. Uh Scott, let's
talk once again about your Kickstarter. Uh you goes, Scott,
Lost Comics dot comedy. Kickstarter is for the Second Shift
comic which is trying to get to issue number five

(01:58:46):
and the trade paperback and there are links to it there,
so let's see. Well as you can also buy the
actual comic book on there. Am I correct on that?

Speaker 8 (01:58:55):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (01:58:55):
Yeah, you could get Uh there's digital copies available, so
if you have like an iPad or a Kendle and
you like to read on that, you can do it
that way. Or there's copies. Well, there you go, and
they're only a low cost of one dollar, so the
price of two Jack in the box tacos gets you
a comic book instead, and you've got to save calories,
so that's it's a win win, And you can also

(01:59:16):
get physical copies there and the Kickstarter guys, it is
very important there. I got six days left on this thing.
I'm losing sleep, so I need to help check it
out kickstarter dot com search the Second Shift twenty fifteen
and watch the video. It really explains what the comic
book's about, what each character is about, and and you know,

(01:59:37):
please donate back back it.

Speaker 5 (01:59:41):
Are you familiar with a lot of the illustrators in
the industry, like the comic industry. Not that's not the
wrestling industry. Yes, you know Dereck Robertson. I used to
draw The Boys and Wolverine for a while. Okay, yeah,
so I did. I spent two weeks with him in

(02:00:03):
I can tease I did. I've spent three weeks with
him in New Zealand and then a week with him
in Australia, and then I've been out to his house
in Napa and then one of the one of the
coolest guys ever, Like I I didn't know that the
process to which you know, a lot of illustrators do
the mannerisms and stuff like you know, like we're riding

(02:00:24):
around New Zealand and and he he's like, if you
see a bridge, let me know, like like I need
to take a picture of a bridge. And I'm like, what,
Like I've never drawn a bridge before. I need I
need a reference tool. And then you know, like and
then there's like a character they based on me for something,
and a character based on my ex wife who was
tough enough and never expects a model, you know. So

(02:00:45):
he was just like, hey, do you mind if I
take like three hundred pictures of you and it's just
like what And he's like, yeah, there's a lot of
a lot.

Speaker 9 (02:00:55):
Of there's a lot of guys that use a photo
referenced and and like, I'll actually, you know, the the
reverse facing camera on your phone is your best friend
as an artist because if you're having trouble with a
hand position or an angle of a face or something
like that, you could just flip the camera around and
put at the exact angle you want and you take
the picture and you're good to go. And as far

(02:01:17):
as bridges and buildings and stuff, yep, very useful. As
is a Google sketch up. There's a program where you
could download stuff and and put it at angles and
it's pretty amazing.

Speaker 5 (02:01:27):
So, well, what what's like like on The Boys?

Speaker 8 (02:01:29):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (02:01:30):
One of the main characters, Hughey, was was based on
Simon Peg So you know, so like you know, when
when he needed Simon Peg crying, you know, he'd google
him his search Simon peg crying.

Speaker 12 (02:01:40):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:01:40):
So that's that's why I like, I didn't know, I mean,
you know, I just figured you know, you guys just
you know, it's just like draw Batman fighting. It was
like okay, you know like that you just draw it,
but you know, like.

Speaker 9 (02:01:51):
Well there's there's a lot of a lot of artists
that do and and you know, it's like all for
it's it's hard to explain and like sometimes you can
imagine things and and it'll work, but sometimes there are
angles that you can't hit, so you need to get
someone in that position. So it's not necessarily for everything,
Like I don't use photo reference for everything. I use

(02:02:12):
my imagination a lot. But you want to dip from
different pools, you know, like if if you're just taking
information from your your brain pool, like that's a small pool.
But if you're able to go online or use someone
else for a reference, it's a bigger pool. So it's
a you know, you use all the resources available to you,
but you definitely don't want to make it a crutch.
You don't want to go like, well I need someone

(02:02:33):
doing this now, well I need someone to do it,
like it needs to be uh, he needs to know
how to you know, not him, but like the artist
needs to know how to do certain things just because
he's an artist and he knows how to draw that.
So but when he has to do.

Speaker 5 (02:02:44):
He does knew that he was you know, he had
he had two you know, new new colums he was doing.
And you know he liked us and you know as
a kind of more more so of a favored us.
And you know he's just like, hey, I want to
put you in here, but you know you might forget this,
you know, so.

Speaker 9 (02:02:57):
I have this but but oh no, no, there's no.
I totally I totally understand why he did that with
you guys. That that makes sense. It's like, if you're
using people as characters in your comic, you want you
want to get he wants to get you right as
many times as he doesn't, you know what I mean.
So and and you know you being right there that
helps a lot, definitely definitely so.

Speaker 5 (02:03:17):
But but we we also had a mutual friend there
and and uh and he had uh the first issue
of Boys there there's a there's a character you know,
loosely based on Batman and he he likes to molest things,
and so so he's he's he's talking with h he's
talking with the psychiatrist and and uh and and it

(02:03:41):
it ends up the psychiatrist or the Batman character it
had done something with with the coffee mug and and
and he admits it to the psychiatrist. So so unbeknounced
to our mutual friend. He was just like, hey, can
I get a picture of you spitting out coffee? So
that the first issue of the boys is our mutual

(02:04:02):
friends spitting out you know, parts of Batman, which he
was not even super excited about, you know, because he's
just like, he's like, yeah, my friends roll over and
he's drawing me to Zoo comic. He's like, no, never mind,
you got say no, I didn't make it.

Speaker 13 (02:04:20):
You don't need to.

Speaker 8 (02:04:20):
See the other ship. So it was very obviously.

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Speaker 5 (02:05:03):
Sorry, comic talk from from from from from two no
to no. Wrestling people, it's it's it's it's hilerity so
there you go.

Speaker 9 (02:05:13):
Oh yeah, one more thing too. If if you guys
have trouble finding the link for the kickstart, sorry to
jump back real quick. You could find me on Instagram
or Twitter at Scott Lost, and then I have the
links in my bios for both of those so it's easy,
easy to find me and to find that link.

Speaker 13 (02:05:29):
Right. Yeah, it's also on the Scott Lostcomics dot com page.
Say say, Johnny, will you while you hear helping people.

Speaker 5 (02:05:35):
Keep track of you to be a social media at
Johnny fairplay. Actually I have a question, a quick question
of Scott Scott. Did you get your Twitter name like
really soon after Twitter launched?

Speaker 11 (02:05:45):
Absolutely?

Speaker 9 (02:05:46):
Yep, Instagram.

Speaker 5 (02:05:47):
I mean that seems like something that would like like
I searched for you and I was just like, I mean,
because let's be honest, most most wrestlers are slackers.

Speaker 9 (02:05:59):
Well you know, you know it's funny. Actually the first
year I was on Twitter, or maybe the first six months,
I was flap at the base because I was a
huge fan of that movie I Love You Man, and
my bio pick was actually that and I actually there
was a few wrestlers that found me, like a pass
from TNA I hadn't even met before. They're like, dude,
your your Instagram name or your Twitter name is hilarious.

(02:06:21):
I was like, oh, thanks, that was kind of funny.
But then I decided. I was like, oh, probably branding
is a better idea. So I went with Scott Lost.
But there I cannot get Scott Lost on Gmail to
save my life, Like I have to be Scott Lost
like twenty five or something like that.

Speaker 8 (02:06:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:06:37):
I I whenever a new social media comes out, I
just I just grabbed my name like as quickly as
possible because.

Speaker 9 (02:06:44):
I want to. I want to know who the hell
Scott Lost That Gmail is like, I want to know.

Speaker 5 (02:06:47):
Who that guy is emailing.

Speaker 9 (02:06:51):
It's like, excuse me.

Speaker 13 (02:06:52):
He's who are you?

Speaker 9 (02:06:53):
And why do you have my name?

Speaker 5 (02:06:55):
Yeah, it's the worst fan ever. It's just we're really
really think he's a good wrestler and who's going to
come back. It's just like, you know what, I'll make
you a deal. You're give him my email and I'll
come back and then be at.

Speaker 9 (02:07:07):
All so and then and then.

Speaker 8 (02:07:12):
Yeah, swindle him.

Speaker 9 (02:07:15):
I'll do it.

Speaker 8 (02:07:16):
That's what I was.

Speaker 5 (02:07:17):
I went in a heartbeat. I I hate everyone who
steals my name and the like, I'm on PlayStation network.
My name is fair Play hates you and that's and
and people are just like, well, that's kind of negative,
and it's not you know, it's not against you or
you or you or you as to the one a
hole that that that took Johnny fair Play on PlayStation network.

Speaker 9 (02:07:37):
So I hate you, I feel you know, it's weird.
I used to own Scott Lost dot com and so
now it's Scott Lost Comics dot com. He used to
own Scott Lost dot com and now I think it's
a Korean car company that owns it, and I have
no idea why.

Speaker 5 (02:07:51):
Yeah, same, my mind's signs owned by it. I'm pretty
sure it's Career or something. It's yeah, so.

Speaker 8 (02:07:59):
Yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 13 (02:08:01):
It's those domainon poachers. They get you every time.

Speaker 9 (02:08:04):
Yeah, I'm just squatting all my name. I'm cool.

Speaker 13 (02:08:08):
That's a domain squatting in twenty fifteen. It's unfortunately, yes, okay, no, listen, Scott,
it's it's been wonderful having you on. We definitely hope
that you achieve your goal on your Kickstarter and you
have many more uh many more successful issues and with
uh with the second shift and that maybe get some
more titles on scottlostcomics dot com.

Speaker 9 (02:08:28):
Thanks for having me, you know, whenever you need me,
just give me a give me a buzz and.

Speaker 5 (02:08:34):
I'll well that link as well. So good good time, Scott.
And and and thanks for for some some fun memories
at PWG. So I will give them sure that the
times I was there, and well the times I was
invited there.

Speaker 9 (02:08:48):
Thanks Ben is there. Great chatting with you, Johnny.

Speaker 13 (02:08:54):
Johnny, you were my first guests on Wednesdays four years ago,
and you know you've you've amazingly you've amazingly stayed. I'm
speaking terms with me, so I always appreciate that. And
we're we're actually looking forward to the Johnny fair Play
wedding coming up.

Speaker 5 (02:09:06):
Yes, and and you're you're you're you're the uh you're
you're the old Todd Martin so ut in on the
ground floor.

Speaker 13 (02:09:17):
Wow. Okay, and on that note, we thank you for
tuning in this week. Uh wait, it'll be by tomorrow
that I hear that I've heard that about it. Okay,
all right, I'm sure we'll be chatting. I'm sure Todd
will be chatting soon at some point. Okay. Anyway, thank you,
we will see you. Uh, well, I'll be back in

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two weeks. Uh the show will continue tomorrow and join
us in two weeks the same Pat time, the same
hat channel and good night everybody.

Speaker 9 (02:10:04):
Well there you have it both.

Speaker 11 (02:10:06):
Another happy ending from the good people.

Speaker 3 (02:10:10):
Jimmy James in Corporate.

Speaker 8 (02:10:12):
One of the most amazing thing to me.

Speaker 16 (02:10:16):
I get Tam for doing.

Speaker 9 (02:10:25):
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Speaker 15 (02:10:48):
And the back of Side Studio will be here on
a Wednesday evening. I am Pat McNeill. Joined us always
on Wednesdays by TOR Assistant editor James Calwell. And this
is your VP after show for Wednesday, September the twenty third,
twenty fifteen. James, how the heck are you?

Speaker 4 (02:11:04):
I'm good? Was it was it rvd's themes song about
to start up there. I thought we're gonna have a.

Speaker 15 (02:11:08):
Run end now that was well that what you mean
A second ago?

Speaker 4 (02:11:13):
Yeah, like in the background thought I heard RVD.

Speaker 15 (02:11:15):
That was actually that was actually an announcement that I
can make here on the live cast for the first time.
We've done a lot in fifty if on the first
fifty three episodes of The Way Back Playback, but this
weekend starting at episode fifty four, Well, what can I
tell you? This will be the first time we go

(02:11:36):
extreme and then yeah, the ECW one, So it'll be
our coverage of ECW November. To remember in nineteen ninety five,
priminal discretion is not advised for our part of the show,
but for the part that airs on the WW network
that's rated TVMA and features lots and lots and lots
and lots of F bombs, you might want to be

(02:11:57):
aware of that.

Speaker 11 (02:11:57):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (02:11:58):
I wonder why I have the the W theme and
rvd's theme confused my head, and maybe they sound similar.

Speaker 15 (02:12:04):
There's multiple Yeah, well there were multiple r v D themes.

Speaker 8 (02:12:08):
That do you mean the.

Speaker 4 (02:12:11):
The one from his ECW one sounds very similar to
the CW theme song.

Speaker 15 (02:12:17):
Well, yeah, it is it. Well, there were two of them,
as I recall, there was there was the one that
happened before. There was one that he was using before
he got They came up with official ECW music and
buy official ECW music. I'd mean stuff that they were
actually you know, able to use, put out paying you know,
stuff they were actually able to use without breaking copyright.

Speaker 4 (02:12:40):
Laws, right right right? We don't want to have any
of that happen, right.

Speaker 15 (02:12:44):
No, no copyright laws. Now, breaking copyright law is bad,
but just uh, just for the reference, let's see the
I said, Well, let's see, I'm stalling while I wait
for this to come up on YouTube for you, James second,
so I can give you the comparison, and and I
will have to wait apparently some more because it's behind
a hun Day commercial. Yeah, stupid Hyundai. I know what

(02:13:04):
you're saying.

Speaker 4 (02:13:04):
Okay, first, and customer satisfaction, I think I know.

Speaker 15 (02:13:07):
And then they're all over YouTube.

Speaker 4 (02:13:09):
Yeah, but that's okay, a little different, a little different,
but you're still kind of the same. They're in the
neighborhood that one.

Speaker 15 (02:13:22):
Yeah, that's that's walk by Pantera, which is yeah, which
is the roud bandamn song you know as you remember anyway, Yeah,
And and they made sure in the WB version of
the song they made they tried to make it sound
as much like that as they could without, you know, without.

Speaker 4 (02:13:42):
Directly ripping them off, so exactly.

Speaker 15 (02:13:44):
So anyway, getting back to getting back to some the
live cast pull is up now since the aren'ty votes yet,
we'll we'll they'll just say it'll be up through the weekend.
I want to know what your highlight of the past
week in wrestling was. Let's see, and there there are
some there were some choices.

Speaker 4 (02:14:00):
We have a five way tie for first place at
the moment.

Speaker 15 (02:14:03):
Okay, well that's good. Let me I'm trying to thank you.
This is I mean, this is a tough one actually,
you know.

Speaker 4 (02:14:09):
Yeah, stuff to pick from, so much happening.

Speaker 15 (02:14:13):
All right, let's see here, let me cast a vote
and see where we are. Oh my goodness, well we're
down to a two way tie at the moment. Type first, yeah,
Page going, uh, Charlotte and Page and then ran the
return of Randy Orton. But but we will get lots
and lots of votes in over the next few days,
so there's there's still plenty of time for you to
cast your ballot. This program, by the way, as a

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Speaker 4 (02:14:48):
Yeah, a lot of stuff going on in the MSG
line up. Now we'll get a steel cage match for
for a scene in Rawlins. That's a pretty significant thing.
Of course, they have an analysis officially, but it's on
you know MS. She's announcing in the lineup, so there's.

Speaker 15 (02:15:02):
So it's so, it's so it's happening. Yeah, I mean
this is gonna be the This is going to be
the A House Show next weekend because half the roster
will be at the B Show in Bangor Maine.

Speaker 4 (02:15:11):
Yeah, that will make for an interesting lineup. No, obviously,
they don't have to put eight matches. I think it'll
probably be a two hour special, kind of like the
Japan Special. So I'm assuming there'll be like five matches
in the top five matches and the rest will be
dark matches.

Speaker 15 (02:15:24):
Yeah, they've announced they've been out six matches. You know
that that would that would make sense of course, Uh,
stiff competition that night, going up against the college football
game of the Year on ABC, which will be of
course Notre Dame and pumpson.

Speaker 4 (02:15:37):
Hey, you guys, might be it might be an undefeated matchup,
you know, assuming everything as well. This weekend, we're kind.

Speaker 15 (02:15:42):
Of uh, since Clempson is the week off and Notre
Dame is hosting U Mass. We're kind of hoping for
an un the Battle of unbeatens.

Speaker 11 (02:15:48):
Yes, I'm not.

Speaker 15 (02:15:50):
Sure is this going to be?

Speaker 4 (02:15:51):
Is this in South Carolina or is this and they
are coming to Clempson.

Speaker 15 (02:15:54):
This is the first time Notre Dame in Clempson have
played since the nineteen seventies, So, uh, it's it's kind
of a hot ticket here game day.

Speaker 4 (02:16:03):
Maybe that's what I was, well, that's what I was thinking.

Speaker 15 (02:16:06):
I mean, you know, I mean, I know, I know
they're I know they're prepping for this weekend's big college
football game day and uh in Arizona, but they've got
to be thinking about it, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:16:17):
Yeah, I mean that's a pretty good, uh, you know,
a rare you know, by the time we get to October,
it's all conference games. Would get a rare you know,
non conference big matchup like that. I think that's I
think that's game they worthy, pat, So we need us
to make sure you're there, set it up.

Speaker 15 (02:16:30):
I'm not gonna probably, I'm going to be at work, probably,
But I mean the other the only other there are
a couple other possibilities, let's see, I mean, the only
other possibility would be if yeah, obviously, if something happened
with obviously, if something happened to Notre Dame, they'd be
switching games. It's it's you know, I think everybody figured
that next Saturday is big game would be Alabama and Georgia,

(02:16:52):
and then Alabama took the pipe.

Speaker 3 (02:16:54):
You know, mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (02:16:55):
Yeah, that kind of knocked that game down a little bit.

Speaker 8 (02:16:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:16:59):
Yeah, I think as long as you blow it and
that should be the game day site, it should be.

Speaker 15 (02:17:06):
It will be uh, it'll be an interest, it'll be
interesting anyway that's gonna happen. But but it's no Brocklesner
versus Big Show. But having the title in the steel
cage is again having title mats in a cage. That's
gonna add something to it. And you got the New
Day and the Dudley's again, Randy Orton versus Shamus again.

Speaker 4 (02:17:24):
Yeah, maybe it'll be the Dart match.

Speaker 15 (02:17:26):
Yeah, that's that's up now. But yeah, that's uh, they
are trying to jazz it up a little bit. You
got that going, you got the n x T takeover coming,
and you got telling us all that's uh, that's three
very big deals right there. Now, let's see here. Bronda
Rousey definitely says no to WrestleMania.

Speaker 4 (02:17:46):
Yeah, said that she's gonna be Indonesia filming a movie.
So doesn't look like we're gonna see something there. But
now you know, the things change.

Speaker 15 (02:17:56):
But I mean she she might show up as a
surprise appearance, but surprise appearance doesn't mean she's wrestling a match,
which I'm sure is what they wanted.

Speaker 4 (02:18:02):
Yeah, she'll be the here's what it's gonna be, Pad
the Shield, the mystery partner against the Wyatts, because this
feud will ever end, will be go on for five
six more months. She'll be the mistery partner because you
didn't work out too well.

Speaker 15 (02:18:14):
That's not I don't think that's gonna happen. Be fun
to have her in a match with I mean, I'm
sure eventually someday, you know, they'll they'll do that. But
that's not No, we know that's not gonna happen. All right,
let's see what else do we have going on here?
I need to check the results for the for the
Big Okayama show here that was from New Japan.

Speaker 4 (02:18:35):
Yeah, I got a couple of title changes.

Speaker 15 (02:18:38):
Kenny Omega is your junior heavyweight champion again.

Speaker 4 (02:18:40):
Yeah, yeah, I was kind of surprised by that result.
I was I thought Kusheta would hold the title for
a little while that didn't happen. So, but Matt side
All's is next up, so it might be Omega to
side All the next well the next big shows next week,
so not that one, but maybe, you know, maybe in
October that that match will happen.

Speaker 15 (02:19:02):
Well, I'm a little disappointed that we haven't gotten that
we haven't had another new Japan match up the show
on American pay per view.

Speaker 4 (02:19:10):
Yeah, I guess, you know, I don't know, I don't know. Yeah,
it might not. I mean part of it is it
was GFW, which didn't have any name value as the promoter,
and and then back of the show though, yeah, like
a show. I just you know, it's hard to get
people to watch if it's not WW that's in in America.

(02:19:31):
That's just the reality of the marketing. TNA found it
out that you can put Hulk Hogan and you know,
you can put John Cena on TNA. Doesn't mean it's
gonna draw, you know, just that's just the way it is.

Speaker 15 (02:19:40):
So that's that's very true. I also got Bruce Mitchell
on the Jim Ross podcast, and I need to I
need to take time to listen to the whole thing
because I'm sure that's gonna be that's gonna be quite
a moment.

Speaker 11 (02:19:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:19:51):
Yeah, that's a pretty pretty big deal. A nice a
nice president for Bruce since winning for the anniversary with
the Torch, So a nice little a nice uh career
highlight for Bruce on Jim's podcast. So a pretty good deal.

Speaker 15 (02:20:03):
Yeah, that's true, and I think that's great for him.
But you know, since since now, since now Wade has
his own regular spot on Austin's podcast and with been
with Bruce on on Jim Ross's podcast, you know, if
any Podcast one hosts are out there, you know, I mean,
I'd be perfectly willing to do wrestling recaps for them.
I mean, I know, Josh Matthews is a big lifestyle podcast.

(02:20:24):
That's probably about the level I'd end up at.

Speaker 4 (02:20:26):
But yeah, what what year are we coming up on
for you?

Speaker 15 (02:20:30):
For what podcasts on podcast one? I'm trying to think
of that we're coming up on.

Speaker 4 (02:20:36):
I guess we'd be coming up on fifteen, Okay, yeah, yeah,
so you know fifteen, when we get to fifteen, when
we get close to it, we need to find you
a spot.

Speaker 15 (02:20:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean so, I mean, you know, there's
there's I mean, you know, I mean everybody needs I mean,
who doesn't need a dirt cheek?

Speaker 12 (02:20:50):
Really?

Speaker 13 (02:20:51):
There?

Speaker 5 (02:20:51):
You go right on?

Speaker 15 (02:20:52):
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Okay, But well anyway, we'll, uh,
I guess we'll worry about that some other time. But yeah,
I am looking forward to hearing Bruce on there. I
think that's great. He's Bruce is the man, and he
deserves uh, he definitely deserves to I it'll be interesting
to see what he you know, it's kind of interesting
to see, uh, places like the Torch's getting the mainstream acceptance,

(02:21:13):
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:21:14):
Yeah, it's nice, you know, and I think it's a
recognition and respect for what we do, and and uh,
you know, especially Wade beat on Steve Steve Austin show.
That's pretty that's a pretty cool deal. And and uh,
you know, I think Jim everybody loves the Torch. Yeah,
but let's torch him. You know, Jim needed uh needed one,
and somebody from the Torch on after you know, sort

(02:21:34):
of Jim has been on Wade's show, and then and
then Jim wanted somebody to be on from us on
there on his show, and so you know, Bruce got
the nod. It was a pretty cool neal.

Speaker 15 (02:21:44):
Okay, well there, I'm sure. Well we got to get
you on one too, I mean, this.

Speaker 4 (02:21:48):
Is yeah, yeah, I'm you know, I'm just I had
the option and I gave it to Bruce. I didn't,
you know, I just I wanted Bruce to be able
to have that spot.

Speaker 15 (02:21:57):
So okay, well yeah, but I'm I understand on that.
But you know, there's I mean, there's got to be
you know, there shall be a day. Yes, yes, that's true.

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Speaker 15 (02:23:10):
Yeah, because yeah, we'll we'll get We'll get back to
that at some other point. I don't even know what
the lesser podcasts are on podcasts one.

Speaker 4 (02:23:17):
Of these days, so well, we could go to pw
podcast dot com and look up on the podcasts.

Speaker 15 (02:23:21):
That's true, we could do that. Uh maybe some other
maybe some other time when we're not doing this show. Sure, sure, okay,
let's see what else we have going here. Mesope, okay,
stuff on the network blah blah blah. Uh yeah, so two.

Speaker 4 (02:23:34):
Point five for raw, Yeah, with a nice rounding there
to the two point five. Yeah, it's uh, I mean, Pat,
I don't know if it's panic time. I mean, they're
just you know, they're they're they've made their bed over
a three year period and got a lie in it.
But three hour raws and the booking decisions have been
made over a three year period, and there's no quick fix.

Speaker 10 (02:23:57):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:23:58):
Yeah, you could call Donald Trump to come on the
show and draw rating for the controversy. But I don't
know what else you can do, Pat, You just got
to stay the course and try to just do a
better job, you know, I don't know, I don't know.
I mean, there's nothing else you can do, really well.

Speaker 15 (02:24:16):
Yeah, maybe you could start doing better, you know, start
start letting some other people write storylines, don't have vents
change a twenty million times, you know, get him, you.

Speaker 4 (02:24:24):
Know, yeah, I guess I'm like, yeah, you get rid
of vents, and you know, I just it's not gonna happen.
Is a problem.

Speaker 15 (02:24:30):
That doesn't necessarily mean things will be better. Definitely means
things will be different, though.

Speaker 4 (02:24:34):
Yeah, yeah, and hopefully more thought out, you know, not
such like you said Flighty and you know, change the
last second.

Speaker 15 (02:24:40):
I think different is what's needed right now because it's
been it's been pretty much the same raw formula for
eighteen years.

Speaker 12 (02:24:46):
Now, and.

Speaker 15 (02:24:49):
Ye know, the and the evil authority figure. I think
that's that's needs to be retired. I'm sorry, that's the
there's got to be other stuff.

Speaker 11 (02:24:55):
You can do.

Speaker 4 (02:24:55):
It's that thing. You know, Bruce always talks about the
Bell curve, and there at the other end of the
Bell curve, you know, they peak they started in ninety
six when they went they add toed Era and it's
they you know, the Bell curve went to the top
in two thousand and you know, ninety nine, two thousand,
thousand and one, it's been on the way down and
and now it's kind of back to where it was
in ninety six. They are at the bottom of the

(02:25:16):
Bell curve. And so at some point if you want
to it's like you said, you know, they've been doing
the same formula for eighteen years. It's time for something different.

Speaker 15 (02:25:26):
It would be kind of nice, something Different's good. Okay,
oh my goodness, I completely forgot about this. Hold on,
let's see. Yeah, okay, I just found another indie show
that I forgot about for this weekend, So there you go, right, No,
I think those I think those are actually the main
points we got, you know stuff you know, wwe I mean,
whatever you say about raw and we talked briefly about

(02:25:48):
that Monday night. You know, they're they're planning stuff for
the network for October because I mean they need to.

Speaker 4 (02:25:53):
You know, yeah, I mean that's a big month, you know,
big month.

Speaker 15 (02:25:58):
But they I mean, it's not like they're it's not
like they're just sort of taking it for granted. I
can't say that for them.

Speaker 4 (02:26:03):
Yeah, I'm trying to think. So the end of the
quarter of September. Yeah, so I think they want to
have a big fourth quarter, you know, and so October
being the kickoff of the fourth Court. Yeah, so that
makes sense. You want to start off strong and if
people kind of drop off around Christmas in your maybe
Thanksgiving because they're saving for Christmas shopping, then you want
to hook them in October so they'll kind of stick

(02:26:24):
around and not think about unsubscribing and giving a big
one in October.

Speaker 2 (02:26:29):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:26:29):
It's a fine start to the fall season.

Speaker 3 (02:26:33):
Yeah, I got that.

Speaker 15 (02:26:35):
Okay, let's we're ready to try the five things that
you might not know, James.

Speaker 4 (02:26:39):
I'm ready, Pat, all right, we're.

Speaker 15 (02:26:41):
Gonna be brave about the five things that James might
Not know. Story number five. James W. W Raw is
coming here to Greenville, South Carolina on Monday, November sixteenth.
I have to see if we can get me a
press pass for that, that'll be nice. Tickets around sale
this Friday. John Cena, Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, and Bray
Whitt of course are advertised for that. So of course
coming to the Upstate. Then of course, Story number four

(02:27:04):
Maryland Championship Wrestling is in Japa, Maryland next Saturday, not
the Saturday, October the third, and their big show is
going to be headlined by John Morrison taking on indie
star Shane Strickland, who I believe was in Luke Underground.

Speaker 4 (02:27:16):
Also, what do you know his name on luc Underground.
I mean, they had so many different names, and yeah,
I know, I'm gonna keep track of it.

Speaker 15 (02:27:25):
I will look up for it. I will look it
up for you.

Speaker 8 (02:27:27):
Research.

Speaker 15 (02:27:28):
Yes, yes, research is always important. While I'm doing that,
I thing we can move on to next. Okay, Shane
Strickland kill shot? He was kill shot?

Speaker 4 (02:27:36):
Okay, I cand of remember him.

Speaker 15 (02:27:38):
Okay, there you go. So yeah, and then luc Underground's
making the Luc Underground is going to be back. It's
actually actually that means we'll probably get some more guests
from them, so that'll be good.

Speaker 4 (02:27:49):
Yeah, that'll be funny and probably bring on some new
people and some new people from Triple A and maybe
Raymisterio will make an appearance on.

Speaker 15 (02:27:56):
A live cast. I'd like that well or or well.

Speaker 4 (02:27:59):
I underground, Yeah that would be great too. So yeah,
that'd be nice Ray on the live cast.

Speaker 15 (02:28:04):
Yes, yes, all of that, All that will be well done.
Story number three, James, as you might have heard, House
of Hardcore eleven is going to be in New York
on on November fourteenth, and you think you're ready for
you know, it's another example of somebody doing better tn
A House Shows than TNA does.

Speaker 4 (02:28:22):
And it's here, Pat, what do we got your main event?

Speaker 15 (02:28:27):
The TNA champion Ethan Carter the third taking on Tommy
Dreamer in a New York street fight.

Speaker 4 (02:28:33):
I think they actually just did that, No way, No
Dreamer Dreamers in a steel A City chain match on
last weekend's TNA House Shows against somebody.

Speaker 15 (02:28:40):
Yeah, I think, yeah, so there you go.

Speaker 4 (02:28:43):
Very similar.

Speaker 15 (02:28:44):
Yes, okay, let's see here checking that. Oh yeah. Story
number two under the heading of guess who's heading to
wrestle kid? Two more people one I'm gonna what I'm
gonna say? You know, this current decade and one from the.

Speaker 4 (02:29:02):
Eighties by wrestlers or non wrestlers. One is more of
a non wrestler, and that's the eighties person.

Speaker 15 (02:29:13):
No, that's the current person.

Speaker 4 (02:29:14):
Oh that's the current Okay, uh hmm, eighties wrestler Barbarian.
Today's non wrestler is so Calval direct on.

Speaker 15 (02:29:24):
So Calval, good call.

Speaker 4 (02:29:25):
Really she's kind of uh. I finally got one.

Speaker 15 (02:29:29):
That's ba'sll Jim Duggan is essicial by the way, for
the for wrestler.

Speaker 4 (02:29:32):
Ki, okay, yeah, but there you go. I finally got one.

Speaker 15 (02:29:37):
Yes, you got one. And of course my Pro Wrestling
Syndicate returns October thirty, Union, New Jersey with the Tough
Enough crew of Patrick Matta, Tanner and Chelsea with China
with Dark Journey Cocoanta and Kurt Hawkins and and jam
headed to the lineup Lacy von Eric and Vanpiro there.

Speaker 4 (02:29:58):
I even know if she was still in the industry.

Speaker 15 (02:29:59):
I so she's been out of the industry. That's that's true.

Speaker 5 (02:30:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (02:30:05):
Wow, we have a Lacy von Eric siding. Okay, Okay,
Lacy von Eric in China on the same and Dark
Journey on the same show.

Speaker 4 (02:30:13):
Will they be in the same match, because that could
be interesting.

Speaker 15 (02:30:15):
I have no idea. I don't think that that. I
don't think I'd have to.

Speaker 4 (02:30:19):
Check, But I don't think that that a royal pat
that a royal Yeah. Maybe maybe that's quick quick eliminations.

Speaker 15 (02:30:26):
Maybe that's what they do. Maybe it's the Battle Royal.
But anyway, that's that's where we are with that. Those
are your those are your five stories. And of course,
next Wednesday, I'm on vacation, Jim Valley will be hosting
the show, and hopefully all that will go, well.

Speaker 4 (02:30:40):
Oh yeah, who's who's the guest next week?

Speaker 1 (02:30:42):
For Jim?

Speaker 4 (02:30:43):
Just take a phone calls.

Speaker 15 (02:30:44):
Yeah, Jim is probably gonna take phone calls. He's not
I think guests. I can't imagine why, but no, he's not.
I don't think, you know, not not planning on having
a guest. If he needs one, I will be I
will be happy.

Speaker 4 (02:30:56):
To help him get one, but sure.

Speaker 15 (02:30:59):
Otherwise, no problem. All right, So let's see what else
we have here. Trying to gets caught up on the Yeah,
I don't know that there are a lot of big
indie shows this weekend, but I will look. I will
be looking as I go through this. Are you ready? Now, James,
I'm ready, Pat, all right, hell about mister and missus
wrestler Robbleship Stee. This is your PW Torch Live event
center for Wednesday, September the twenty third, James, w W

(02:31:20):
NXT is tonight on the WWE Network.

Speaker 4 (02:31:24):
Yeah, remember what's on the show? Oh yeah, tag Taba
matches on the show tonight.

Speaker 15 (02:31:28):
Yes, the vod Villains versus Blake and Murphy and a
tag team pedal offense, plus up Bull Dempsey versus Tyler Breeze,
that big grudge match.

Speaker 4 (02:31:35):
Yes, it needs to happen, Jinny, what did I see
NXT last Thursday? Dempsey Demse gosh? Yeah, yeah, Breeze faced
Tin Baler of the main event for the NXC title,
and Dempsey was in sort of undercard match. I don't
remember who he faced, but he was pretty over.

Speaker 15 (02:31:57):
Well, it's gonna be exciting.

Speaker 4 (02:32:00):
Yeah, a contrasts and sizes and styles.

Speaker 15 (02:32:03):
Pat, Yes, that's that's That's exactly what I was thinking, James. Okay, Meanwhile,
let's see her TNA Impact Rustling Tight from Orlando on
Destination America. Well, I can't wait for this one. It'll
be t Gray Uno defending the ex Division title against
Kenny King. Wait, hold on, is okay? Well, I'm sure

(02:32:25):
it will makes sense, so it will somehow make sense.

Speaker 4 (02:32:29):
Wait Kenny King, the guy who just okay, yeah that guy.

Speaker 15 (02:32:31):
Yeah, yeah, that guy.

Speaker 4 (02:32:32):
Yeah, that guy.

Speaker 15 (02:32:33):
Okay, sure, so yeah Kenny King, and uh it'll be
Ethan Carter the third defending the TNA title against Rockstar Spud.

Speaker 4 (02:32:41):
I'll tell you what's a good thing, Pat, you know
what's a really good thing? Is it not tape a
celebration for Bram winning for Team tn A last week?
And I mean, like taped didn't presented this.

Speaker 15 (02:32:52):
Sometimes they did in the second of but they're not
gonna but they're not gonna air it.

Speaker 4 (02:32:56):
I think, no, no, no, no no, So no celebration
for Brahm on tonight's episode.

Speaker 15 (02:33:01):
It's kind of sad. Well okay, it's not that sad.

Speaker 4 (02:33:04):
Which I'm still processing what exactly happened on Monday, Pat,
Maybe maybe we'll have a legal discussion here, how about this?
Because he had a court here in a Monday and
there was a motion for him to he wanted to
revise the no contact order to a no harmful contact
and also amend the terms of his bond release because

(02:33:25):
he wants to travel overseas for work between October and November.
And I'm not sure if it was approved or denied.
I can't tell based on the court docket here.

Speaker 13 (02:33:34):
But yeah, I'll have.

Speaker 15 (02:33:36):
I'll go and have a look at that, but I'll
sit it over here. As Johnny fair Play pointed out,
hell up lots of time to travel overseas after they
deport him.

Speaker 4 (02:33:44):
M yeah, so that's that, yes, I know.

Speaker 15 (02:33:50):
Yeah, anyway, not said about that. I'll well, I look
through here and see, let's see what did that happen? Okay,
I'll have to look through and see what's what's what's
tecond find the uh the stuff in question. Meanwhile, bring
about her on on Destination America tonight it'll be Michael
Elgin taking on Silas Young and of course the six

(02:34:11):
man tag with the Briscoes and Rooky got against Okada
and RPG Vice.

Speaker 4 (02:34:16):
Yeah, that's good. Started up blow the new Japan stuff.
So that's gonna be some good TV for the next
couple couple of weeks. So yeah, I mean this, this
is some good stuff with me, even all the big
stars in that match.

Speaker 15 (02:34:28):
A lot of fun happening. Yes, all right, Meanwhile, WW
SmackDown tomorrow on Sci Fi emanating from Corpus Christi, Texas,
it will be Roman Rains taking on Luke Harper and
Seth Rollins in a non title affair against Dean Ambrose.

Speaker 4 (02:34:45):
Ah, yes, that's gonna happen again.

Speaker 15 (02:34:46):
Yeah, that's happening.

Speaker 4 (02:34:48):
Yes, bad bad week for Seth. Bad week. You don't say,
you don't say?

Speaker 15 (02:34:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, things things not going things not going
too hot for Seth this week. I think I think
the authority might have left corporate kanaan charge. I can't
look at the spoilers, but I think that's that could
be what happened here.

Speaker 4 (02:35:08):
Yeah, they're kind of above SmackDown.

Speaker 15 (02:35:11):
Yeah, okay, well understandable. WW Superstars this Friday on the
WW network. James, do you want a hazard guess of
this one?

Speaker 4 (02:35:21):
Yeah, let's dud guess. So this is what Monday? Okay,
we didn't get a report from Monday. Treny, who was
not on Raw. Let's go uh Lujah Dragons against Ascension.

Speaker 15 (02:35:36):
Oh well, you know the Superstars for the third making
a Row. It will be Jack Swagger headlining. Superstars this
week will be taking on Adam Rose, the party pooper Wow.

Speaker 4 (02:35:48):
Okay, that's a real dump of the show.

Speaker 15 (02:35:51):
They went all out WW main event on Hulu Plus
and Sports at three sixty Big six woman tag team match,
the Bella Twins and Eleae Fox against Team Bad and
your main event, Jack Slager versus Seamous. So Jack Slagger
Week continues on the WW network on ww elevant.

Speaker 4 (02:36:08):
Yes uh man Seamous Uh. It's sad thing. Are they
trying to build up media banners that mean we're going
to suck right now? You know which one? Which one
is it?

Speaker 15 (02:36:18):
I don't know, fella, that's going to be.

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Speaker 15 (02:37:00):
Yeah, okay. The w w A Show is on tour
this weekend Friday, Toronto, Saturday, Rochester, Sunday, Syracuse. It'll be
a Riveack defending the Intercontinental title against Kevin Owens and
John Cena defending the US title against Seth Rollins.

Speaker 4 (02:37:16):
It sounds like an interesting show. Yeah, you know, it's
it's the best way they can do, right now.

Speaker 15 (02:37:23):
That's what you have.

Speaker 11 (02:37:24):
It is what it is, all right.

Speaker 15 (02:37:26):
Meanwhile, let's see the ww B shows on tour Saturday, Cleveland, Sunday, Erie, Pennsylvania.
Ramdy Orton will fight Seamus in a street fight, and
the main event is Roman Reigns and Dena Ambrose against
Bray Wyatt and Bronz Drawman.

Speaker 4 (02:37:39):
Because you haven't seen it before, pattis new to you.

Speaker 15 (02:37:42):
That's right, I don't. Yeah, I mean we've seen them
dozens of times, but how many of those times have
been street fights?

Speaker 4 (02:37:51):
Probably three one fourth, I'll give it that.

Speaker 15 (02:37:54):
No more than a fourth, that's right, Yeah, Okay. Ring
of Honor on Sinclair Broadcast Group Television this week and
Kashita against Matt Sidel in a non title match, and
the main events in Zuk Nakamura versus Adam Cole.

Speaker 4 (02:38:07):
Yes, that's gonna be good stuff.

Speaker 15 (02:38:09):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I got that correct. Yeah, but
uh yeah, you might want you might want to check
that one out if you're if you have the opportunity.

Speaker 4 (02:38:15):
Yeah, New Japan Week continues un Sinclair.

Speaker 15 (02:38:18):
Yes, yeah, if you didn't. Uh, if for whatever reason,
you know, you know rh sneak peak from Sufi and
Nakamura versus Adam Cole, Well there you go. Uh ringa
bonner also on tour this weekend Friday in Beautiful California,
Pennsylvania The Town in Pennsylvania, and Saturday in Lockport, New York.

Speaker 4 (02:38:36):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (02:38:37):
This Friday, if you're an attendant, you'll get to see
Robert Strong taking on Michael Elgin and the Briscoes versus
the Young Bucks. In the main event. This Saturday, it
will be a big four way match with a c H,
Adam Cole, Michael Elgan, and Moossol facing off on the
four way, and Jay Lethal defending the ROH title against
Stevie Richards.

Speaker 4 (02:38:57):
Is that an actual title match. I thought that was
non title.

Speaker 15 (02:39:00):
I don't know. It says proven ground match r O H.

Speaker 4 (02:39:02):
Title Okay, gotcha? Okay, so Stevie could get a title show.

Speaker 15 (02:39:06):
I think it's the title shot or something. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:39:08):
Yeah, gotcha. My question to you, Pat is TNA ran
the Outskirts of Pittsburgh last week and they were in
uh what was it?

Speaker 8 (02:39:15):
What is uh?

Speaker 9 (02:39:16):
Bell Vernon?

Speaker 4 (02:39:17):
Yeah, so TNA. I'm sorry. Ring of Honor was kind
of the outskirts of Pittsburgh in California, which sounds weird.
But who did you go to draw more Ring of
Honor or TNA?

Speaker 15 (02:39:29):
You know, I actually didn't hear the attendance for TNA
and Bell Vernon.

Speaker 4 (02:39:33):
I think it's like seven hundred according to person that's
in and report. They said seven hundred.

Speaker 15 (02:39:37):
Well, I don't know it's going to be close then. Yeah,
I mean, you know, TNA has Paddy had they're big stars.
But yeah, yeah, that's that's true. They did have Kurd
Angle for that show.

Speaker 4 (02:39:50):
And Jeff Hardy and Matt Hardy and the teenage Oh wait,
yeah that doesn't matter. Nobody cares about the TNA title.

Speaker 15 (02:39:58):
Yes, and breaking news, Kenny King will on the Ring
of Honor House shows this weekend. I know you're shocked
by that.

Speaker 4 (02:40:05):
Interesting.

Speaker 15 (02:40:07):
Yeah, that's kind of interesting, I think all right. Of course,
NXT is on Tour James this Thursday, Lakeland, Florida. Friday
it will be Largo, Florida. Saturday, Fort Pierce. No actual
lineups announced, but you'll get to see Fenn Balas and
Ojo Bailey and Zoe more Colincassidy Carmela, you.

Speaker 4 (02:40:27):
Know, all the usuals.

Speaker 15 (02:40:29):
The usual suspects will be there. Yes, okay, uh Chakara
Wrestling this Saturday Gibsonville, North Carolina. Sunday in Norfolk, Virginia.
In Gibsonville it will be Chinron taking on the Proletariat
Bore Desher Hatfield Icarus and how do you Lovelace team
up against battle Borne? I don't know who Battleborn is.
I'm sorry. Sunday it'll be the United Nations versus battle

(02:40:51):
Born in Norfolk and the Maine event of Chuck Taylor
versus Jacob Hammermeyer.

Speaker 4 (02:40:57):
Sounds like a good old fashioned cha car show.

Speaker 15 (02:41:00):
Yeah, and the the Northeast Wrestling show that was scheduled
for Williamsport, Pennsylvania. A couple of weeks ago that got
rained out is scheduled, is rescheduled for this Sunday at Williamsport, Pennsylvania,
four pm start. I don't know the actual matches, but
it would appear that Kevin Nash, Argent Slaughter, Magnus, Vertus, Clay,
Robbie will all still be there.

Speaker 4 (02:41:20):
So see, that's gonna be hard because you file these
guys in for the show and then you gotta fly
him back in two weeks later.

Speaker 15 (02:41:27):
It's yeah, Mickey James is not going to make it
to the rebook show.

Speaker 4 (02:41:31):
But okay, yeah, that's an expensive booking. Yeah yeah, but.

Speaker 15 (02:41:35):
Let's gonna start show scandals. Okay, let's see we need that. Okay,
let me let me see if they have let me
see if they have an update really on this. Okay,
blah blah blah. Wrestling was beyscheduled to Saturday to Sunday
Cemetery souven blah blah blah blah blah. Come on, come
on on, Okay, there are some some changes to the card.

(02:41:56):
All right, yeah they lost not it, but they have
Kevin Nash will be wrestling Mickey James. Mickey James will
make it. Okay, Okay, uh yeah, Brotus Clay, Sergeant Slaughter, Magnus,
Robbi Le, Mandy Lee Allen and whatever.

Speaker 12 (02:42:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:42:12):
Yeah, well that sounds like it's pretty close to the
original car.

Speaker 12 (02:42:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (02:42:15):
I think they couldn't well they couldn't they. I mean
they rebooked because they could. Matt Hardy and Ted Debiassi
could no longer make it.

Speaker 4 (02:42:22):
So okay, at we see all of other people. That's good.

Speaker 15 (02:42:27):
Your tickets for the Your tickets for the show were
obviously good for the new show, so hopefully no, they said,
they've already said that your tickets show. Hopefully they are okay,
and of course to be right on eleven sixty five
this Monday night, USA Network, Buffalo, New York. No, I
don't think they announced any matches for this, but the

(02:42:47):
dark match announced is John Cena, Randy Orton and Norman
Rains against Seth Rollins, Very White and Seamus I know
you're shocked by that.

Speaker 4 (02:42:54):
Yeah, gonna happen, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 15 (02:42:56):
Also advertised Dean Ambrose, Rusev Czarro starred us to the
New Day and Charlotte's I'm not advertised Kevin Owens Kane
and the Authority And if you're going to Tuesday's show
and this background tape is and Albany. You can see
pretty much the same lineup except John Cena, Randy Orton
and Seamus aren't advertised for that.

Speaker 4 (02:43:17):
Now, what is brock Lester going to start showing up?

Speaker 8 (02:43:19):
You know?

Speaker 15 (02:43:20):
I imagine when we get closer to Helena sell.

Speaker 4 (02:43:24):
But you know what, do you want to have him
on the last show before the network special? Or is
that you know it's not Broctober yet, so we can't
have him on. We can't. I'm on TV and until
it's October, that's right? Yeah, I mean you think you
want to have on the show, But I mean, yeah,
a big show to the same promo.

Speaker 15 (02:43:37):
But do you think they'd want to have him on
the show a lot? But he gets paid by the
appearance from what I understand, so it costs money to
have brock Lesner on your show.

Speaker 4 (02:43:46):
Yeah, I guess they just feel like, you know what
we're going to get, We're gonna get what we're going
to get, and we're just gonna have a special and
it's not that worth. It's not worth having him on
TV to promote it.

Speaker 15 (02:43:55):
Okay, I'm guessing that's that's the case. Yeah, kind of amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:44:01):
All right.

Speaker 15 (02:44:02):
So okay, so that's that's our week. Let's see and uh,
you know you're gonna have Tomball told Jim Valley to
get in touch with you to see if you guys
want to do a after show for next week, and
I'll be back in two weeks.

Speaker 4 (02:44:14):
Sounds good.

Speaker 15 (02:44:16):
Yeah, I need need a little vacation.

Speaker 4 (02:44:18):
Well time, what you got. You gotta get ready for October.
That's what it's all about, you now, I.

Speaker 15 (02:44:22):
Need I need some actual vacation instead of you know,
being out of town doing various business stuff and missing shows.

Speaker 9 (02:44:27):
Due to that.

Speaker 4 (02:44:28):
So exactly.

Speaker 15 (02:44:29):
Yeah, so yeah, we we have October. Looks like we're
gonna have the Killer Elite Squad on the live cast
in October. We're definitely gonna have just Incredible on to
talk about his retirement match coming up in November. So then,
you know, I mean, we're not exactly you know, in
case you haven't noticed this fall season of Wednesday Live Cast,
we're not exactly leaving our comfort zone a whole lot.

Speaker 4 (02:44:49):
So yeah, Well, we got a new guest, Scott Lost
on today, So that was good.

Speaker 15 (02:44:54):
Last was good. Ye it's a good guy, it was
you know, he did you know he has nothing? He
was if Reilly hasn't had anything to do with PWG
in the past five years or so, he did you know?

Speaker 7 (02:45:03):
He has?

Speaker 15 (02:45:04):
He obviously has opinions on what was going on and uh,
and he's got a comic book which you can go
to Scottlostcomics dot com and do the kickstarter.

Speaker 4 (02:45:12):
For that, so exactly.

Speaker 15 (02:45:13):
Yeah, yeah, so I got that going for us, which
is nice and uh, well, yeah, I trust that you'll
be in charge, James and keep everything going smoothly. And
while I'm not here next week, we will.

Speaker 4 (02:45:25):
We'll make sure a studio b is uh is taken
care of and we'll keep it fresh for two weeks pat,
So October seventh, October months kicks off for the live
cast after show.

Speaker 15 (02:45:35):
That'll be great and yeah, Jim and I will have
some more uh we're back playbacks to tape and we'll
get started on on ECW WOW twenty years twenty years
since uh, since ECW was red hot and had uh
had the big uh you know, Terry Funk versus mc foley.

Speaker 4 (02:45:52):
Few the chairs match of all the chairs matches, yeah.

Speaker 15 (02:45:57):
Among others. Yes, Okay, all right, so until next time,
I keep your feet on the ground and keep shooting
for the stars. Good night, everybody.

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