INTERVIEW CLASSIC (10 YRS AGO): Heyman 1992 interview with Keller predicting super-stardom for Steve Austin + grizzled vet Bob Roop

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Now, pw Torch and Spreaker bring you the Wade Keller
Pro Wrestling Podcast. It's time for this week's Interview Classic
where Wade Keller Interview is one of pro wrestling's newsmakers.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
On today's Wig Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast. In of your
classic Saturday, we are bringing you a doubleheader and it's
pretty cool. First is my interview live on Kfan Radio
from nineteen ninety two with Paul Hayman. This includes Paul
Hayman predicting super stardom in nineteen ninety two for Steve

(02:13):
Austin and he explained also why he's never paid for
a wrestling ticket. The show also includes news coverage at
the start of the show and live callers because this
was my weekly kfan radio show, So we'll look back
thirty three years ago at what I sounded like and
what was going on in the wrestling scene and how
I covered it. Then, kind of a fun glimpse into
the time capsule of wrestling coverage in the pre podcast,

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pre internet era. Then we present the December second, twenty
fifteen episode of the paw Torch Live cast, where Pat
McNeil interviewed grizzled, veteran and highly respected wrestler Bob Rup.
You might not have heard of him. I wouldn't blame you.
It depends on holling you had been a fan and
how much history you've read. But Bob was a respected
wrestling wrestler who lost a lot. I will not call

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him the other terms because he doesn't like him, and
he explains why in this interview. But people who went
through the Florida system when he was around learned a
lot from him, and I've heard really good things about
what it was like to work with him and get
advice from him. And he's got a lot to say
in this interview He talks about the term jobber and
enhancement talent. He talked about raw from the night before.
He talked about who we thought the most over pushed

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wrestler or two were in WCW. He reacted to a
question about the authority taking up so much TV time
at that time period, also WWE asking which other TV
shows fans watch. Barbarop talked about what shows he liked
to watch. He also had an opinion on the mentioning
of Reid Flair by Charlotte Flair on TV and how
we felt about the reaction to that, and more. Just

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observations from a veteran wrestler keeping an eye on the
then current scene. Chatting with Patton McNeil and live callers.
This is the Way Keller Prosing Podcast Weekend Interview Classic
for Saturday, November twenty ninth, twenty twenty five. We'll start
with Paul Hayman and then get to Bob Roup. Welcome

(04:02):
to the PW Torch Livecast.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I M.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Wade Keller, editor and publisher of Pro Wrestling Torch Weekly
newsletter and also PW Torch dot Com since nineteen ninety nine,
the PW Torch app and also host of this the
PW Torch Live Cast at PW torchlivecast dot com. We
are coming to you on Thursday, No. Number twenty six,

(04:25):
twenty fifteen. It is Thanksgiving in the United States, a holiday.
Unlike the Philadelphia Eagles earlier today, we are not taking
the day off. Sorry Eagles fans. We are here presenting
you with a special as we often do on Thanksgiving,
a special edition of the PW Torch Live Cast. Normally

(04:45):
it is Interview Thursday with a live guest. Today we
present well they were live at the time. He was
live at the time, Paul Hayman. A live interview with
Paul Hayman from April of nineteen ninety two that I
conducted on my Pro wrestling live radio talk show called
Pro Wrestling Focus on Kfan. This was the first live

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over the year interview I ever did with Paul Hayman,
who then was known as Paul E Dangerously primarily, and
I'm excited to bring this to our live cast listeners,
all of you out there for the first time. This
is a fascinating discussion. It's Paul Hayman when he wasn't
well as you know him today. Well, he was a
lot like he is today, but also a lot different

(05:31):
young brash anti authority. Oh wait, that's still him today.
Well anyway, it's a younger version of the Paul Hayman
we all know today, and I think you'll love this interview.
This is part of around one hundred episodes of the
Pros and Focus radio show from the early nineteen nineties
that are available.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
As Soon as you Go.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Beat nineteen ninety two for our first ever radio interview
with Paulie dangerously later known as Paul Hayman. Fascinating interview
including some forecast guests that when you look back on,
are pretty fascinating, including his prediction as early as nineteen
ninety two that Steve Austin would carry the pro wrestling

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industry into the year two thousand. So be on the
lookout or listen for comments such as those that turn
out to be someone profound in retrospect. Not that people
don't think Austin was going to be a big star,
but Paul Haymand picked him out as the guy about
five years before he broke out as the guy, So anyway,
be on the lookout for that and many other fascinating comments,

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including the fascinating history of Paul Hayman and how he
got into wrestling, and how he almost never ever in
his life went to a wrestling show as a fan,
which I didn't know and actually had forgotten about till
I re listened to this. He never bought a wrestling
ticket to go to a live show because Paul being Paul,
figured out a way to get free tickets actually press

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passes at a very young age. But he was a
wrestling fan watching it on TV, of course, long before
he thought of getting press credentials and running fan clubs
for wrestlers in the seventies. Real fun stories here and
a fascinating look back at the nineteen ninety two wrestling
scene through Paul Hayman's eyes. We take color questions. Of
course I ask a lot of questions too, so let's

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go to that right now. Welcome to Pro Wrestling Focus.
I'm your host, Way Keller.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
It's a nineteen thirty four on a beautiful Sunday morning
in the Twin Cities, and we got a special show.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Coming up in about thirty minutes. Our guest for this
program will be I've tried to get him on this
program since this show began last August. Paul E. Dangerously
will be joining us for what is sure to be.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Controversial program, and it'll be a controversial hour or two
and we'll be taking your phone calls for poly Dangerously
coming up at about ten oh eight after news and sports.
But first we're going to take care of some business,
run down this week's headlines, and take some of your
phone calls. We haven't just run through some general calls
in a couple of weeks because we've had an influx

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of guests on this program, so you want to fill
up the phone lines now. We'll get you here during
the first half hour right after we run down the news,
and the numbers are nine eight, nine eleven thirty or
outside the six one two area code one eight hundred
four four five four six nine five nine nine nine
eleven thirty one eight hundred four four five four six

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nine to five, and again we'll take your calls for
poly Dangerously in about a half hour. So in the meantime,
all about whatever you want to talk about, including some
of the headlines.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
I'll have to run down.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
The main one this week comes from World Championship Wrestling
worre sting the WSW World Champion last Sunday, a week
ago Tonight was injured in a match against Big Van Vader.
It was a power slamp coming off the top rope,
Sting coming off diving at Vader for cross body block.
Vader turned it into a power slam. Sting landed awkwardly

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and he is now out of action until Wrestle.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
War on maynineteen seventeen.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
Well, it's a Sunday and Sting is out of action
until Russell or the pay per view with two bruised ribs,
a cracked rib and a Bruce spleen. It doesn't sound good.
He's pretty much bed ridden as we speak. And if
he makes it back for rest of War, which he's
promised to everyone he will, that doesn't mean he'll necessarily.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Be back on the road after that.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
At the television tapings which will air next Saturday, Nikita
Koloff was interviewed on WW Saturday Night with Jim Ross
on TBS, and Nikita at least temporarily put to rest
the controversy over which side of defence he was going
to be on, whether he was going to be on
Sting's side during more games, or if he was going
to turn on Sting because he came out and he

(09:44):
talked about how Sting was his favorite wrestler, referred to
his past where he turned on his evil ways years
ago against Dusty Rhodes and then he challenged Vader for
revenge for I guess being too.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Rough on Sting or something like that.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
But Nikita will be facing Van Vader and replacing Sting
at all the arena shows leading up until Wressell War.
Also and other fronts in World Wrestling Federation, what's been
called Titan Gate has continued in a small way this week.
Last Monday, April thirteenth, Torraldo Rivera's talk show featured a
not so serious version of talking about what's been going on.

(10:26):
That featured former w BF referee Rita Marie Chatterton and
former WWF announcer Murray Hodgson, And of course, Chatterton claims
that she was forced to have oral sex with Vince
McMahon for her job, and Murray Hodgson claims that he
was made a pass that by WBF vice president who

(10:47):
happened to be a male vice president. When he turned
him down, he was terminated two weeks later.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
They told their stories, but.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
That was mixed in with Morgana the kissing the celebrity
kissing freak and all kinds of other strange characters which
pretty much took away from any seriousness that rieda maurice
basically rape charge against McMahon would have had more serious
and certainly more credible. Was twenty twenty's art piece on ABC,

(11:17):
their feature on Steroids, which ran yes two days ago.
Frianday night I interviewed the mother of former pro wrestler
Ed Gantner, who because of his steroid abuse, ended up
with the kidney transplant and when his body rejected that,
he went into deep depression and committed suicide. They also

(11:37):
interviewed superstar Billy Graham, who talked about the problems of
his problems that steroid us has coused him. And Billy
Graham talked about Hulk Hogan and how he took stereogs.
But the main focus of that fifteen minute piece was
on bodybuilding in general and looked at youth, steroid use
by youth, and a lot of other things. It wasn't

(11:59):
necessarily focus on pro wrestling, but it really did. If
you give credibility to that piece, it really gives a
ton of credibility to the claims that steroids are not good.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
They're not to be accepted.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
Just some interesting comments by an in Mike Moodiham's wrestling
column in the Charleston Post Courier last week. Steve planamenta
spokesman for the World Wrestling Federation, talked about the Ultimate
Warriors return and I quote, we're all very happy to
have him back to the plan of MENTA. He's obviously
dropped a lot of weight and he's off whatever he
may have been on. We're all very happy to have

(12:33):
him back in healthy condition. He looks terrific. He's never looked,
looked or sounded better. He's healthy, he's rested, he's back
in normal shape. And that's the whole point of our
stereo testing and drug testing. It's not to hang anybody
out to dry. It's to help people out. Planet Mental
also spoke about Hok Cogan status with the World Wrestling Federation. Quote,
we certainly hope and have every intention of having Hogan

(12:54):
return at some capacity. As far as going to the
new Japan promotion, somebody from the front office talked to
the other day and that's just not going to happen.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
It could have been just a phone call from Baba
or Anochi Japanese promoters.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
That got blown out of proportion. I'd be lying if
I said I knew for a fact that no one
had made an offer to him. But from all indications
from here, he has no intention of going to Japan
to work other than on a WWF card.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
And speaking of.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
The World Wrestling Federation, they returned to the Twin City
do Target Center on May twenty ninth, a Friday Night
card with Ultimate Warrior versus Sid Justice, Brett Hart versus
Sean Michaels as the.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Top two matches on the event.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Should also mention in World Championship Wrestling that Phil Freleik
is going to be the guest co host on next
Saturday's program in Nikita Koloff does his interview talking about
Revenge for Staying. More complete lineup now is available for
the June twentieth pay per view that will be sandwiched
between wrestl War and a Clash of Champions and The

(13:55):
Great American Bashion July in Philadelphia. The June twentieth pay
per view headline as I Met which last week was
Cactus Jack versus Sting for the World title in a
false count anywhere on the Gulf Coast Match. Rick and
Scott Steiner take on Steve Williams and Terry Gordy. Rick
Rudo face Rick Steamboat in an iron Man match with

(14:16):
a winner is the wrestler who scores more pinfalls in
a thirty minute period than his opponent. Arn Anderson and
Bobby Nan. Steve Austin take on Barry Wyndham, Dustin Roads
Nikita Koloff in a six man tag match. Brian Pillman
will likely be defending the light heavyweight title if he
keeps it until then. Versus Scotty Flamingo, Ben Hammer faces
Greg the Hammer Valentine in a battle to see who

(14:39):
the real Hammer is. Johnny b Bad faces JT. Southern
and Missy High takes on Medusa in a duel in
the Sun to determine who is the first Lady of WCW.
It's a three event competition including a volleyball game, a
tug of war, and a bikini pos down. You don't

(15:05):
have to wait for the way Keller Pro Wrestling post
show to find out what I thought of Monday Night
Raw and SmackDown.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
Each week.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
You can check out my reports that are updated live
throughout Raw and SmackDown at pwtorch dot com. My written
report will tell you what's happening in detail in case
you missed the show, and it will also analyze key
segments and give my random thoughts quips on what I
am watching as it airs. So check it out every
Monday night and Tuesday night at pwtorch dot com. That

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also applies to wwepayperviews. I cover those live at pw
torch dot com with a detailed written report with star ratings,
and of course you can find other TV reports from
other contributors to PW torch such as nxt roh Impact
Wrestling and more. Check it out pwtorch dot com your
first stop for TV and pay per view written reports.

(16:01):
The June sixteenth Tag.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Team Tournament for the first and second round of the
NBA Tag Team Tournament will take place live on TBS
on the Clash of Champions and signed for that event
or negotiating for that event are the Malanco Brothers based
out of Florida, critically acclaimed team who spend most of
their wrestling days in Japan. They should become quite a
popular team after your fans in.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
This country get to see them. They're kind of.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Black and white characters, but they're excellent in the ring. Also,
Chris Benwa, just a fantastic light heavyweight and a partner
from Canada, will be representing Canada in this NBA title tournament,
and a strong Japanese team, likely Hiroshi Hasi and Kiji
the Great Muta will be representing Japan, plus the Steiners
and Terry Gordy and Steve Williams will be representing the

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United States, and a team will be brought in from Mexico.
We've had Jim Cornette on this program a few times,
and right now, if you're wondering what he's doing, he's
been involved with the group based out of Knoxville, ten
Sea called Smokey Mountain Wrestling, and I've had an opportunity
to see some tapes of this program and it really
sends you back about ten years. Their motto is wrestling

(17:11):
the way it used to be in wrestling the way.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
You like it, and it's targeted at.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Southern based fans in the type of mid Atlantic style
wrestling or the old Memphis style wrestling that used to
be down there. They've got Tim Horner, Paul Orndorf, Terry Gordy,
Brian Lee, Buddy Landell, Scott Armstrong, Dirty White Boy, Jimmy Golden.
They've got, you know, quite a riot dutch Man Tell

(17:37):
Jim Cornett, a real variety of familiar names down there.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Bob Armstrong is a commissioner.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
He of course is a father of Steve Brad and
Scott Armstrong. But coming up, they're gonna have a heavyweight
title tournament. They're just gonna start running full time come
this summer in the South and they're gonna have a
title tournament and Smoky Mountain Heavyweight title Tournament tournament on
May twenty second at the Knaxville Coliseum.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
First round of.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
That tournament as Paul Orndorf Mister Wonderful taking on White Lightning,
Tim Horner, Dirty White Boy takes on Dixie Dynamite, Scott Armstrong,
Jimmy Golden takes on Robert Gibson, and Brian Lee faces
Buddy Landell. That should be a strong tournament for an
independent group. And speaking of independent groups, Pro Wrestling America,
the PWA, based on in Minneapolis has events coming up

(18:27):
concluding next Sunday afternoon a week from this afternoon, April
twenty sixth, at the American Indian Center in Franklin Avenue
in Minneapolis, just.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Across the bridge. They start at three o'clock for the
headline match of Punisher Number One defending the PWA Heavyweight
title against Charlie Norris. Plus Lightning Kid, former Global light
Heavyweight Champion, faces Billy Blaze. Jerry Lynn takes on Tommy Ferrara,
The Mystic takes on Tony de Nucci, and Derek Duke's

(18:57):
a familiar name to a lot of people from the
Awaa's takes on Steve Bird. That's April twenty sixth next
Sunday afternoon, three pm at the American Indian Center in
Minneapolis on Franklin Avenue. Plus May second in Summerset, Wisconsin
for all of you Wisconsin listeners will be at the
high School. Ken Petera takes on Punisher Number two. Charlie

(19:20):
Norris takes on Randy Gusto, Jerry Lynn takes on the
Lightning Kit, which generally speaking is a must see match.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Derek Dukes takes on the Punisher, and The Mystic takes
on Tommy Ferrara. That's May second, Somerset, Wisconsin at the
high School Gym and May fourth, the PDNBA will promote
an event at the Red Lake Indian Reservation in northern Minnesota.
That is the news headlines. We're gonna come back. We've
got a full bank of open lines, so why don't
you fill him now while we're away at the sports

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flashback at nine eight, nine eleven thirty four four four.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Five four six ninety five. I'm way Keller.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
You're listening to Pro Wrestling Focus, and don't forget twenty
minutes poly dangerously Welcome back to Pro Wrestling Focus. I'm
ways Keller, your host until noon. It's nine forty eight
as we speak. We've been on since nine thirty. We
just ran down the headlines of the week. Highlighted or

(20:17):
certainly the biggest story.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Of the week is Sting's injury.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
W swe World Champion Steve Borden, known as Sting, will
be out until Wrestle War with rib injuries and a
Bruce spleen, and when he returns then if he still
may not be back at one hundred percent full time action.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Before we hit the fall lines, we've got one open line.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
You can fill that as I run down what we've
got coming up later on the fan because it's an
excellent lineup this afternoon. Coming up first at noon is
Sports Weekend with Larry Fitzgerald. Always a great afternoon program,
and certainly he's going to be talking about that huge
north Star victory last night. That was one of the
better hockey games I've seen in a long time. Mike
Madonald's got a jetpack strap to his back, and Casey

(20:58):
was certainly on. It's gonna be exciting to watch the
next hopefully three games in that series, but maybe it'll
go seven. Anyways, After that comes up NBA Basketball at
two o'clock Detroit versus Chicago, excellent game on the fan,
and then four thirty to five is a pregame show
Timber Was today with Tom Hanneman as the Timber was
play their final game of the season against the Charlotte

(21:19):
Hornets at five o'clock, and of course at eight to
a thirty is Nate Smith's post game jam with Larry Fitzgerald,
who's hanging out all day, and a thirty to nine
thirty Jim Cotts Sunday Night Baseball Hour Live from the
KFAN Studios, a national show and you can hear it
right here on Kfan, And of course nine thirty to
midnight is the ESPN Radio Network. But first we got

(21:40):
business to take care of on the Focus coming up
in just twenty minutes as poly Dangerously Special guests. But
let's now hit your phone calls and start with at
from Saint Louis Park.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
How you don't ed him?

Speaker 7 (21:50):
I have a question last week at Channel nine listed
in all the TV on that All Star wrestling with
them from ten to eleven and never showed.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Up on the air. Had a two questions.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
One one you know what happened with so why it
was lifted? And what happened with it? Too is a
why don't you ever have the Gania there somebody from
w A on the air to explain what happened to
the aw A what happened?

Speaker 5 (22:12):
Well, I've invited, first of all, I've been invited Greg
Gania on the air, and in the propositions he sort
of kind of brushed it off.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I don't know how interested he is.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
Interesting if sometime he'd call the station and leave he
I think he listens listens to this program at least
sometimes from what I hear through the through the grapevine.
And uh, we'd love him to call up today and
talk with PAULI dangerously on the phone about the reminisce.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
About the a Toba days UH.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
As far as vern Gania goes, he was on the
nationals somewhat National Sports, UH Sports and Entertainment Network last
week with Mike Tanayan Wrestling Insiders, so he made a
public appearance. I don't know if he'd be willing to
come on this program. I'll look into that because I'm
sure a lot of people would love to. Yeah, he did,
although I didn't hear the program.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
I just heard that he was on, So.

Speaker 7 (23:01):
You don't know what he said about it. And what
do you know anything about y Channel nine lifted that
last week?

Speaker 1 (23:05):
And are you referring to literally I'll start wrestling or right?

Speaker 7 (23:08):
They lifted it between ten and eleven and all the
TV guiys and never.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Showed up on Sunday or Saturday Sunday. Okay, I don't know.
That's that's a darn good question.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
And I wasn't even aware that it was on the
TV guide. I'll look into that though. I'll try to
have something for you. If not, if nobody calls during
this program, we'll try to.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Have something next week.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
Thank you, all right, thanks for recalling. I'll start Wrestling
returning to Sunday Mornings. Doubtful doubtful Don from Saint Paul, Hey.

Speaker 8 (23:35):
I was wondering, what's going on with the Legion of Doom.
You know, they showed up on a WWF, but they
haven't been wrestling. And how come they can't use the
Road war your name?

Speaker 5 (23:46):
Well, they can't use the road where your name because
I believe Jim Crockett had a lot of merchandise out
and pretty much.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Trademarked that name. And it also actually probably let me
correct myself, but it has more to do with the
fact that the day would be wanted.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
Exclusive rights to Hocken Animal's name, and since Road Warriors
was used Hocken Animal's name, and since Road Warriors was
used so often before, the Legion of Doom was something
that I believe they were able to exclusively market as
their title. So if the Roadwys ever left, they could
not use a Legion of Doom name elsewhere, They'd have
to go back to the Road Warriors.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
I believe That's my understanding of it.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
As far as what their plans are, I just expect
them to get back into title contention after facing the
Beverly Brothers for the next month or two and you know,
take on money incorporated at house shows.

Speaker 7 (24:31):
Yeah, and Paul Ellering's back.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
And he I think that was the one of the reasons.
And this is only speculation, but.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
The Road Warriors, at least one of the two, I think,
was more interested in going to Japan than the DO
to BF. But I think that bringing their buddy Paul
Ellering back into the to BF on the payroll was
one of the compromises the DAVO to BF had to
make to bring them back.

Speaker 9 (24:52):
Yeah, he has a lot to them.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
I think he does. I think, especially in the character
he portrayed at WrestleMania. All right, well thanks, what thanks?
Don take one more call before I break Marty for Minneapolis.
How you doing, Marty? Hi, I've listened to.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
The last four shows and I was just wondering why
you're obsessed with titan Gate.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Obsessed with it?

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yes, you talk about it every show.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Well, I guess the reason I talk about it every
show is because there's news on it every program, and
I think it's a pretty serious issue.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
It's a very serious issue.

Speaker 9 (25:22):
But you kind of like today with the Pat Patterson
comments and stuff, it's kind of repeat.

Speaker 10 (25:27):
In a way.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Well, I guess just because it was on the Raldo
talk show, I wanted to bring up that it did
hit the mainstream media. Again.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
I like to at least cover national shows when titan
Gate is mentioned. But as in you know, last week,
I don't we had a two and a half our
program and we had Jim Ross on and Chris Baeson.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Mccarsh didn't really talk about it much.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
I think I asked Mick about it and Jim Ross
about it and that would make sense.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
And the week before that, I don't know, I don't.
I don't think we've been overdoing it.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
In fact, I've tried to make a conscious movement away
from it as the news has.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Died down a little bit. Right If anything, if any
more allegations come out, I'll be sure to cover it.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
But you know, with Paully dangers they today, I don't
think we'll be getting into that much either.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
And then one other question the NWA, is that going
to take over the WCW or is it going to
be kind of like an offshoot from the past.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
I think it's going to be more of a gimmick
and that they can ask some title versus title matches
it's more to drop on the history of the NWA,
the feeling that a lot of fans have for the
NWA to try to bring that back.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I'm not sure even they know exactly what direction they're
going to go with it, but they've got some interesting ideas.
Certainly they're going to bring back the NBA World title
with a tournament in Japan that might be available on
pay per view.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
I don't know, and I suspect we'll see maybe at
Starcade ninety two coming up in December, we'll see a
unification match between the NWA and ww champions.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Rick Clare never got pinned for that title, would't it
be his?

Speaker 5 (26:53):
It technically is, however, because he didn't defend the title
in thirty days, the NBA board, which was headed by
Jim Hurt, stripped.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Of the bells, right right, Okay, well, I enjoy your
pro brim and thanks for bringing it to us.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
No problem, Thanks Marty.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
All right, let's go to a break. We've got the
final break of the hour.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
We'll come back and take as many of your calls
as we can in the final couple of minutes. This
is way Keller's pro wrestling focus on the.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Fan ninety nine to eleven thirty or four five four
six ninety five are the numbers.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
Welcome back to Pro Wrestling Focus. I'm your host Way Keller,
and we're down to less than two minutes before we
go to the top of.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
The hour news.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
So let's try to get in a couple of phone
calls first and start with Micro from Minneapolis.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
I don't Michael.

Speaker 11 (27:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (27:34):
Wait, A couple of questions. One, what is Jeff Warner doing?
And what is Scott Norton doing? Scott I used to
ask for AWE and then I heard he went to Portland.
Then Japan. Is he going to be NWE or WWF.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
He's still in Japan.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
I think it's more likely he'll end up in WCW
than the WWF if he ends up in the United
States anytime soon. Right now, he's he's pretty popular in Japan.
Is A is a big American, tough guy type wrestler,
and he's improved quite a bit from his A Toba days.
And yeah, and Jeff Warner is wrestling in the dough
to b F right now. He was on Primetime Wrestling

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last week on the losing end of a match.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
But he probably has a pretty good future there.

Speaker 12 (28:16):
Well, good to hear it.

Speaker 10 (28:17):
You've got a good show.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Thanks Michael, by bye. All right, hit Philip from Betton
Rouge real quick, Philip, what's up?

Speaker 4 (28:24):
I was wondering how long do you think Randy Savage
sep title?

Speaker 5 (28:28):
I think he'll keep it to Summer Slam. I think
Ricclerro captured at Summer Slam, if not sooner, but probably
at least by Summer Slam.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Okay, thanks for your call. See if we can slide
one more in here. I don't hear any music. Dan
from Grand Rapids, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Wait?

Speaker 7 (28:42):
Though, is it true that buzz Slawyer passedway?

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Buzz Sawyer Matt Doug buz Sawyer died on February seventh,
or just a couple of months ago, at his film
at Sacramento, California.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
What's his death from?

Speaker 1 (28:53):
I guess it was a drug overdose. In fact, it was. Yeah,
he's you know.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
Had a lot of problem throughout his whole life with
rugs or throughout you know, most of his wrestling crew
with drugs. So it really slowed down what was otherwise
a real talented guy with a big future in this business.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (29:11):
I remember when we used to have him Jess timy Rich.

Speaker 10 (29:13):
It was quite enjoyable to watch.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, that was probably the peak of both of their
careers as far as national publicity goes. We're gonna have
to run.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
We'll be back in about five, six, seven, eight minutes
after News and Sports with Polly Dangersy. This is Wayde
Keller's Pro Wrestling Focus. Welcome back to the Focus, Pro
Wrestling Focus. I'm your host, Wade Keller. It's beautiful Sunday
morning in the Twin Cities and eleven as I speak,

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and we're down to the final stretch, while the final
two hour stretch of this two and a half hour program,
and it could be real long because our guest in
just a moment is going to be Paul E Dangerously,
who was according to the Pro Wrestling Torch nineteen ninety
one yearbook with reader balloting, the Manager of the Year,

(30:01):
ousting Sensational Sherry Paul Bear, Bobby Heenan, and Jim Cornett.
Pauli he got twenty five percent of the votes, followed
by as I said, Cherry Bear, Heenan and Cornette. Dangerously
didn't win last in nineteen ninety because he was doing
announcing duties, but in nineteen eighty nine he finished third
behind first place Cornett, second.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Place Heenan, and in nineteen eighty eight he finished.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
Second behind Cornett. He's made an impression since day one
when he entered this sport. He's been a successful color
commentator on World Championship Wrestling with Jim Ross. In fact,
Team Jim Ross also won the Best Announcing Pair of
the Year for nineteen ninety one in the Pro Wrestling
Torch Yearbook. He's a controversial figure in professional wrestling, and

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we're excited, we think to have him on the program,
and let's welcome him now, Paul E dangerously, How you doing.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Well if you're one now on my entire list of
credentials and you don't even have me on for both
hours yet last night you call me up. I'm shawns
in South Carolina at the time after a big show,
and you beg me, You say, please, I need John
both hours. We had your Moss on last week. I said,
why if you had Ross, it was probably an entertaining show. Well,

(31:12):
now let's say, first you call them boring, then you
called them in our ticket and he sitting down me
like a hill billy. So you know, you sit there
and you swim the role for fifteen minutes, you beg
me to come on for two hours. I come on
this show and I find out when you produce you
you've been on for forty two minutes already.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Does that mean you're doing good?

Speaker 12 (31:32):
Well?

Speaker 4 (31:32):
I mean, you know, I thought I was coming out
for two hours because you beg me and you played
it and you're whined and you're crying and they've had
a show on already.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Well, we had to get the news out of the way.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Paul Ah news, schmooze. What do you want?

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Well, let's let's let's talk a little bit. We're gonna
first be joined by or later we're gonna be joined
by some God, I'm just dripping over by tie.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Right, you've got me all nervous. Geez. Anyways, First of all,
following in.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
The fine tradition of Minnesota broadcasters like Eric Bischoff, if you.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
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links to our sign up form. Anyways, First, I'd like
to say I did not make those counts about Jim Rash.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Oh ohoy, you know. So here you go again, trying
to be mister nice guy on the airways. And as
soon as we get off the are you'll go, hey, Paul,
thanks a lot. That was great conn That Rosie really
sug plants a week. But that's okay. I'll play along
with you.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
We're gonna be hitting some phone calls later. We have
one open phone line only and nine eighty nine to
eleven thirty one eight hundred and four four five four
six ninety five are the two numbers we didn't solve that.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Now, you know, how's that you.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
Could string up on everybody that's that's already called in
and let everybody call back again. Yeah, I mean, these
people have held on for now eighteen twenty twenty two minutes.
Just hang up on them, all right.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Well, first of all, let's talk a little bit about
your background. You were a fan of professional wrestling growing up,
and we should talk a little bit where you grew
up and what was it that attracted your attention to
pro wrestling initially when you were when you were a kid.
It's hard to believe you were, but you were one.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Oh yeah, I mean, I mean I actually did have
a childhood. You know, contrary to popular belief, I am
a normal human being. You know, I inhale and I exhale,
and I put my socks on before my shoes, and
I wake up when I go to the bathroom. You know,
I brushed my teeth to believe it or not, you know,
I'm a human being. And I was a kid at
one point. I do have a mother and a father,

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and my father sired me, and my mother had me,
you know, carried me around for nine months, you know,
normal human being stuff. And I grew up in Scarsdale,
New York, which is a suburb about forty five minutes
from Midtown Manhattan in Westchester County, New York, and it's

(34:16):
about while I drive, I drive it in about thirty.
But that's my problem, and it's it's a suburb that
really you wouldn't expect to see a lot of wrestling
fans in. It's more golfing and you know, let's rotate
the Pelo pony today, Alice, you know. And me, I
was always kind of, you know, like the bad boy

(34:37):
of Scarsdale, you know, I mean to the extent of
being a ruffian in a community like that. You know,
that was me, which doesn't go very far. It's probably
like you know, like the woodsiest kid in the Bronx
would probably come over and kick my butt. But for Scarsdale,
I was I was a bad apple and so just
a rebel against everybody. I started watching wrestling, and of

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course in New York in nineteen seventy five and seventy six,
when I'm ten years old, you're talking Bruno San Martino,
and you're talking Freddy Blasi and Lu Albano and the
Grand Wizard and Spiros Arion and Pedro Morales, and I

(35:24):
just found it to be an incredible display of sports
and incredible display of entertainment. I found it to be
an incredible package that had everything that anybody could want.
You can venture frustrations, there are people you can like

(35:44):
and people that you do in it, can enjoy hating,
and some people you just never knew what to do with.
And I just looked at it and said, my god,
what a money making opportunity. And when I was thirteen,
I started a bulletin which was called The Wrestling Times.

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And the reason I did this was quite simply to
make money. And I corresponded with several people around the
country and they would send me pictures from the main events.
For example, I would have somebody in Minneapolis send me.
Of course, at that time, it was always Nick Bockwingo
versus Verdania. In Florida, it would be Dusty Rhodes versus

(36:27):
Terry Funk. In Texas, it was Fritz van Eric against
Bruise or Brody. I'm talking nineteen seventy nine. And I
just got very, very fortunate because I put so much
in food. You know, there weren't the bulletins back then
were a lot different than the newsletters of today. We
reported only what we saw on television. There was no

(36:51):
talk of contracts or salary figures, or well, this guy's
the new executive vice president and this decision was made
by behind the scenes, and this producer has been ousted.
It was simply what you saw on TV. It was
the equivalent of a new Stand magazine today. And I

(37:12):
caught the eye of Vince McMahon Senior because I sent
the bulletins up to the WWW at the time f
offices and I requested a press pass for Madison Square Garden.
And what shocked me and quite possibly everybody else, was
that they gave me one. And I got to know

(37:33):
a lot of the people who were involved in the business.
And by the time I was just about fifteen, I
was running just about everybody's fan club on the East Coast.
And I'm talking Albano's and Freddy Blasti's and the Grand Wizards,
and I even Putzkis, and I mean I think I
was running two or three referees fan clubs as well.
I mean, I don't even remember. And I got hooked

(37:56):
up with the new Stand magazine, So you know, my
background comes from the journalistic side of wrestling throughout my
teen years. Nice short answer, I h.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
That took care of the first.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
That, Oh, that took care of the first fourteen questions
I had written down here.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
I'm the one with an hour and a half sleep
in your.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
No, that that was. That was a very good answer, Paul,
very good answer.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
And thank you. I'm on family feud now and I'll.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Be sure to tell Jim Ross is a good answer
out here too. Who who did you cheer for when
you were a kid? Did you cheer for the Sammartinos? So?

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Did you cheer for his opponents? Are you a traditional
fan or did you kind of rebel even at that?

Speaker 4 (38:42):
I never really cared for Bruno san Martino, you know.
To me, you know, he was just some big thumb
gorilla who would throw his weight around. And I never
cared for people like that. I always would. I was
always into the managers myself. You know, Uh, well, Bano
who really invented the art of interfering for a manager,

(39:06):
and the Grand Wizard, who in I think he was
probably he managed in New York for probably twelve years.
I don't think anybody ever laid a hand on the
man because he was simply irritant with his mouth and
a mastermind with his brain. And and then of course
there's Freddy Blassie, who lives to this day fifteen minutes

(39:30):
from my parents. I mean, I was fifteen minutes away
from Freddy Blassie, and when I was fifteen years old,
he would always be the one to pick me up
after school to take me to Madison Square Garden to
take me down to you know, so that I could
take pictures and do interviews and everything. You know, it
was really something. You know, you leave your you leave

(39:50):
your political science class and there's Freddy Blassie outside you
and not your teacher going hefty minutes. Really mean, hey,
you know so I was always into the managers and
really anybody that added to just the typical let's take
this guy down to the mat and try to work
a submission out of him. I was always into the

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people that made the sport just a little more colorful.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
How about distinctive childhood memories as a fan? What stands
out before you got involved in the business as a
manager of some of or maybe the most memorable moment
for you.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Well, you know, the funny thing was, I discovered wrestling
in nineteen seventy five. I was up late on a
Saturday night and it was midnight in New York, and
I was slipping through the dials and I came across.

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At the time, the big competition, the big rebel in
the wrestling business was Eddie Einhorn. He had started a
promotion opposite the McMahon's called the IWA, and he had
Neil Moscarros and Ivan colled Off and the big kat
Ernie Ladd. And I was flipping through the dials, and

(41:14):
I came across the last fifteen minutes of their program,
and it was Argentina Apollo and Luis Ariba Martinez against
the Love Brothers Hartford and Reginald and their manager George
cry Baby Cannon and Cannon and the Love Brothers were

(41:34):
just wreaking havoc through the IWA. And at the last
minute of a program, they stole George Cannon's helmet and
smacked him in. George Cannon used to weigh four hundred
and eighty pounds at a time, and they smacked him
in the gut with it, and they went they went
to a commercial and ended the program with George Cannon

(41:56):
in a corner crying. And I had never seen anything
like that in my life. I mean, here were four
of the greatest athletes that I had ever seen flying
all around in arena, and meanwhile, a four hundred and
eighty pound man was holding his belly crying, and I said,

(42:17):
this is what life is all about. And to me,
I mean, that was the first time I ever saw
wrestling on television and it just stuck out in my mind.
And the very next week was the first time I
ever saw the other side of the coin, which was
Sam Martino, and I saw Sam Martino and Superstar Billy Graham,

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who at the time was not only the most hated
but at the very same time the most popular athlete
in New York. And I don't mean just in wrestling.
I mean Superstar Billy Graham in nineteen seventy five, seventy six,
and seventy seven could walk down the streets of Times
Square with my Hamad Ali on one side and Joe

(43:03):
Namath on the other, and more people would fought to
Superstar Billy Graham than Ali and Namath combined.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
I believe that too.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Oh yeah, I mean he was. He was. He was tremendous.

Speaker 9 (43:15):
He was.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
He was just absolutely he had a personality that was
so magnetic. And I understand all of Billy's problems now
and I understand, uh, everything that you know, what he's
trying to get across to the public. And yeah, one
of the reasons why Billy Graham was so amazing was
the way that he looked. And I understand that now

(43:39):
that has backfired on him and how he achieved that.
But to me, it wasn't the way Billy Graham looked,
or even the way Billy Graham wrestled, or even his interviews.
Billy Graham carried himself in such a way that I
was just I could I could never stop watching him
on television. I couldn't get enough of Superstar Billy Graham.

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And when I would go to the arena to see
a match, and when I first I first started going
to the arenas right before I started my bulletin, I
never really went as a fan much. By the time
I was going, I already had my camera in my
press pass. But I remember seeing Superstar Billy Graham and
Dusty Roads in Madison Square Garden and it was absolutely tremendous.

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And Billy Graham was at that time just a phenomenon
in New York City. And so really, you know, those
are my two most vivid memories were with the first
match I ever saw on television and just throughout the
late seventies, the phenomenon in New York known as Superstar

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Billy Graham.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Okay, Paul, we're going to go to our first break
of this hour.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
We're going to come back, move up in years a
little bit and talk about what's going on.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Today and hit some phone calls.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
This is way Keller's Pro Wrestling Focused were joined by
paup Gee Dangerously. Welcome back to Pro Wrestling Focus. I'm
your host. Wade Teller. Were joined today by Polly Dangerously

(45:17):
and Polly want to thank you for being with us.
But we've got to go because Eric Fischofs decided to
come in and of course he was the first choice
to be on this program.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Of course, well obviously then it's going to be a
really entertaining and informative show. We can sit here and
watch Eric have his hair weaves. Yet I can't.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
All right, I can see Eric Simple's quivering as we
speak with that comment.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
All right, enough on Eric Fishoff.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
First of all, if you weren't involved in professional wrestling, Paul,
and we'll hit the phone lines after this question, what
would you be doing today? What do you think you'd
be doing in life today if pro wrestling was not
there for you to create havocan well, only one.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Of either three things. Either A. I would have followed
in my dad's footsteps and become a lawyer. You know,
I'm an only child, and he has his own private
practice in New York City, so I could let's say
I'm twenty six now, so I'd be graduating law school
in another year or so, and I would just walk
into a major private practice. And so, I mean, that

(46:24):
would be a very lucrative future. Be I would probably,
if you whistle again, I might just fly to Minneapolis
and crack you with a phone.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Be it.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
I would most likely be doing radio in New York City,
which I was on my way to doing, but when
I got sidetracked to become wrestling manager or see, I'd
probably following Jesse Venturi's footsteps and become a politician, like
in what realm mayor I don't know, you know, I

(46:55):
look at the sorry trumpic candidates this year and I
realized that, man, I mean, it's Bill Clinton and Pat
Buchannon and George Bush are our choices, and Paul Sungis
are our choices then, man, there has to be room
for poly dangerously out there.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
You're probably right. I think you'd fit in pretty well
with that.

Speaker 12 (47:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
It was it was the corrupt political state. That's that's there.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
I would most definitely be the most corrupt politician in many,
many years.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I believe that I really did.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
I mean bribery, black mail, put his way. I mean,
you know a lot of people when they grow up,
they have in New York, they have pictures of Mickey Mantle,
some math pictures of San Martino.

Speaker 13 (47:44):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
I had three pictures. One was of me, my own hero,
another was of superstar Graham, and the other was, of
course my ultimate hero, Richard Nixon. So you know, you
can't get any better than Tricky Dick.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 14 (48:04):
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some wrestling history, don't miss the nineties Past Cast. Every
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Patrick will transport you thirty years into the past by
taking you through the Torch issue from that very week.
Follow news from the WWF and WCW and all the

(48:24):
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Speaker 1 (48:44):
That's hit the phone lines and start with Ken from
South Minneapolis.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yeah, Paulie.

Speaker 15 (48:49):
Two quick questions. One, if you can eliminate yourself, who
is the best manager today?

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Oh? Boys, managers today are not managing unfortunately. Bobby Heenan
is a role model for anybody that wants to advise
a wrestler, and without a doubt, my greatest rival, Jim Cornett,
could give anybody a run for the for his or

(49:19):
her money. But the best manager today I have to
go with with two different sides of the spectrum. Okay, okay,
As if I were a wrestler, which I'm not, and
I'm I'm very happy that I'm not because I can't
take that kind of physical punishment and if I could,

(49:39):
I don't think I'd be willing to. If I were
a wrestler, who better to seek the advice from than
a man that held the world's heavyweight championship on seven
different occasions, and I'm talking about Harley Race. Harley is
without question the most successful competitors in the history of

(50:02):
this sport. So you must give credit where credits due. Okay,
Harley Race on the other side of the spectrum, and
when you say you eliminate me, I assume that you
also mean Medusa, because Medusa, as part of the Dangerous
Alliance and as director of our covert operations, is an
extension of myself. I am not the only manager within

(50:25):
our organization. We both handle different facets of the organization.
So if you eliminate the Dangerous Alliance, I go with
sensational Sherry.

Speaker 15 (50:37):
Okay, I'm very aware of what Harley Race has done,
since I am from Minneapolis and he is to hold
the taking titles here and now. My second question is,
Jake Raberts comes to WCW, would you be interested in
getting him in the Dangerous Alliance.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
I'm interested in anybody that has a proven track record
in the Dangerous Alliance. I mean I receive resumes and
application each and every day. I'm working, as a matter
of fact, that one right now from the Diamond stud
just for example. Okay, I mean I have it right
in front of me. Jake Roberts has not applied, nor

(51:13):
would he ever need to send in a resume. Jake
Roberts is a phenomenal competitor with an incredible track record
and has has achieved great success in this industry. If
Jake Roberts were looking for employment within the Dangerous Alliance,
I to assure you we would always be able to

(51:35):
find room for someone like that. Okay, thank you, attacking
you mesdamiously?

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Oh, I know that, all right, Craig from Saint Paul,
how you do good?

Speaker 9 (51:46):
I was unnamed for Polly.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
He didn't manage any respects pat that president's thy good question.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I didn't hear the question if you could manage any
wrestler past or present, who would that be?

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Oh? Wow, right now, I think I have them all.
If you look at at my own personal history and
professional history, we got all the bases covered. Larry's Abisco
has documented in the new issue of the WW magazine.
I've known Larry since I was thirteen years old, and
I watched Larry kick Sam Martinos but when I was

(52:20):
a kid. So Larry's Abisco is a personal friend of mine,
so as far you know, and I have a lot
of personal friends within the industry. But so for my
own personal oh, has you to say my own personal
satisfaction to have a friend in the group. I have
it in the Crunch Larry's Abiscos. As far as the

(52:41):
future of wrestling goes, there is not a better prospect.
There is not a better person, There is not a
better man. There is not a better franchise out there
today than it's Dunning. Steve Austin the world television Champion,
the best wrestlaur on TV today. So Steve, Who's going
to be the man Kerry Wrestling into the year two thousand.

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I have seen within the organization. I have admired arn
Anderson since the day I first saw him on television.
I've only said, this is the consummate wrestler and to
manage arn Anderson and a man whom I had a
bitter rivalry with in Beautiful Bobby Eaton who and they're

(53:23):
the best friends in the world. And they have them
as a tag team. There's no final tag team and
they have proven that to the world Tag Team Champions.
And there's not a better athlete on the face of
this planet then Robinsdale, Minnesota's very own United States Heavyweight
Champion ravishing recruit. Now, there are a lot of other
people out there whom I would love to have, But

(53:45):
I mean right now it's I really can't complain and say, well, chie,
and we'd be complained if we had this guy or chant,
it'd be really great if I can manage him, because
I mean, really, we have all the bases covered.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Points.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
And I think there's a lot of people who would
agree that the Dangerous Alliance today is superior to the
four Horsemen who, when you look back at that group,
were thought of, you know, Barry Wyndham, Rick Flaier, arn Anderson, Tully,
Blanchard and probably their prime where the greatest group of
the greatest group of henchmen in this business, the greatest
group of technical wrestlers that had ever been assembled. But

(54:22):
Rick rud is at the peak of his career, and
I agree, I agree with your comments on arn Anderson
and Steve Austin. Steve Austin's second year in the business
finished number eight in Wrestler of the Year.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I mean, that's that's just not done very often.

Speaker 16 (54:34):
You know.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Six weeks ago I made the comment to the New
York Daily News that Steve Austin has improved more in
two months. And I see any athlete improve over the
course of two years. And if I look at the
tape of Steve Austin six weeks ago. It's like he's
a totally different person because in the in the past
six weeks he has quintupled his abilities. The man progresses

(54:59):
so fat it is scary. I mean he is right
now world championship material. I mean it's obvious this guy
is on such a roll. This guy is so talented,
this guy is so phenomenally hot right now that in
another year, what this guy can ascend to is scary.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Absolutely Rookie of the Year last year. I mean if
people sat in him from the beginning, trained by trained
with Chris Adams of Texas for you know, the whole
year before he entered WCW, so got a good, good
future ahead of him. Let's go to another break come back.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
This is Wade Keller's Pro Wrestling Focus for taking your
phone calls our guests this hour and next hour. If
he decides to stick around, is Manager of the Year.
Paul Dangerously Welcome back to Pro Wrestling Focus. I'm your host,
Way Keller, I'm the fan. It's ten forty one Sunday morning.
Happy Easter to everybody out there who recognizes Easter as

(55:54):
a holiday. We're joined by Paul. He dangerously CEO the
World Championship Wrestlings Dangerous Alliance. He manages Rick Rude, Steve Austin,
Bobby and Arn Anderson and Larry'sabisco And we're running through
some phone calls and uh, just.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Kind of talking.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
So let's hit the phone lines and start with Barry
from Minneapolis.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Are you doing, Barry?

Speaker 17 (56:16):
I doing fun?

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Hi, and Barry? Can you speak up? Leies?

Speaker 15 (56:20):
Okay, it's about Paully.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Go ahead, like to ask. I feel like going. I
feel like an her has been cut off. I can't
hear a Wardy say.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Okay, Well we're gonna turn up vine on him for
a seconds, so go ahead, Barry, ask your question. Then
we'll have Paul I already stated can't hear Barry. So
we're gonna move on and say hi to Tony from
Saint Paul. How are you doing, Tony? Tony, Hey, pretty good? Anyway,
I'm doing good, Saint Paul.

Speaker 9 (56:44):
What do you think about possibly bringing Pat Tanaka in
the work in the right heavyweight division?

Speaker 1 (56:50):
What do you think of Pat Tanaka?

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Well, I think a lot of Pat Tanaka. I knew
Pat Tanaka back in nineteen eighty seven. What I was
in Memphis, Tennessee, and Pat Tanaka, as a matter of fact,
had I not left to go to the AWA, Pat
Tanaka was going to be the next member of what

(57:13):
was then a new organization called the Dangerous Alliance with myself,
Austin Idol, and Tommy Rich. Pat Tanaka is a tremendous competitor.
Pat Tanaka takes this industry, takes his job as seriously
as anybody that you'll ever meet, and right along with
arn Anderson and right along with beautiful Bobby Eaton. Pat

(57:36):
Tanaka takes great pride in what he does out in
the ring. He works harder than anybody that you'll ever meet.
He goes out there, he will wrestle his butt off
and he'll wrestle his opponent's butt off as well. And
Pat Tanaka, if I were to have the time to concentrate,

(57:57):
I'm a junior heavyweight title. Is not a finer competitor
out there than Patrick Kanaka to bring in the World
Championship Wrestling to challenge for that belt. He is truly
one of the most gifted athletes that is available out
there right now that's not in World Championship Wrestling or
in the World Wrestling Federation. As far as free agents go,

(58:19):
Pat Denaka has to be one of the top two
or three draft picks out there.

Speaker 9 (58:23):
Okay, one other thing, Paul with you. Let do you
know anything about the Lightning Kid and could you please comment?

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Thanks?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
All right, thanks for call telling.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I've seen the Lightning Kid on ESPN and I've been
very very impressed with a lot of his maneuvers. I've
been very very impressed with the fact that he knows
how to follow up on these maneuvers by then working
on the body part that he has injured. A lot
of people today, and a lot of youngsters make this mistake.

(58:50):
They just do a lot of pretty maneuvers that'll look
good for an MTV video and they don't follow up
on it. This kid will hurt you. This kid will
do something very devastating that that is a very high
risk maneuver, and he'll he'll, oh, for example, he'll do
something that will take you down because I knocked the windowty,

(59:10):
because he's probably changed in the right side of your
rib cage, and he'll sit there and drive his knee
to your ribs and his alble and to your ribs
for the next five minutes, He's a very intelligent wrestler.
He obviously knows his skills, and he probably knows his limitations,
because I haven't seen any on television, and every man
has limitations and flaws, but if you can hide them,

(59:33):
then you can be more successful. He's a very talented competitor.
I don't know him, I've never met him, and I
haven't seen enough of him to compare him to a
Pat Tanaka. But he is another one who is among
the free agents out there, certainly someone whom everyone should notice.

(59:53):
And when an opening slot occurs within any organization, the
Lightning Kid is someone who should be sweeped up right away.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
And if you were to get a hold of Lightning
Kid in your organization, somewhere down the line, you'd have
nineteen nineties Riky Deer, Steve Auston in nineteen ninety one,
Rikae Deer, Lightning Kid. What do you think of the
light heavyweight division in general? Do you think that's an
important part of professional wrestling? And how do you think
as a promoter, as a promotion that division should be portrayed.
Should it be portrayed as people who lose in a

(01:00:24):
heavyweight division now have a chance at the title or
should it be portrayed more like boxing, whereas there's just
simply weight division for some people moved from one weight
division to the other.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Well, you know, Sugar Ray Leonard was one of the
best pure boxers I ever saw. Sugar Ray Leonard could
mangle Marvelous, Marvin Hagler, Duran and anybody else that they
threw into the ring with him. But a Sugar Ray

(01:00:54):
Leonard had a horseshoe in each glove. It wouldn't go
two rounds with Mike Type or with a Vander Holyfield
simply because he was grossly outweighed. Now, Flying Brian is
a great athlete and a very worthy junior heavyweight champion
or light heavyweight champion. But you can't put Flying Brian

(01:01:17):
in the ring with Big Van Vader or with ravishing Recruit.
It might be a great match, and to Tillman's credit,
he'll give it as all, and he might be able
to take the big man down, but it will take
him forty minutes to wear down a big van Vader
or to injure a big van Vader to the point
where he can put him in a pinning predicament. Now,

(01:01:39):
if you put Fly and Ryan in the ring with
a guy that's closer to his weight class. Then there's
not with the possible exception of a Juician Liger or
a Tom Zinc or even as your callers have said,
a Patronaker a lightning kid, there's not any finer athlete
at that weight class. I don't think it's fair when

(01:02:01):
you put a two hundred and ten pounder in the
ring with Rick Rude, or with Steve Austin or Arn
Anderson or Bobby Eaton, or with Larry's Abistore or Vader
or whomever. So I don't see it as being well,
these guys can cut it as heavyweights. It has always
been unfair because these guys have had to compete with heavyweights.

(01:02:21):
So finally, someone with a semblance of a brain said,
wait a minute, there are some very talented guys out
there who don't weigh more than two hundred and ten
or two hundred and fifteen or twenty or twenty five pounds. Hey,
let's kill my own weight division like Ducksing does. And
as somebody's probably sat next to him, went, oh gee,

(01:02:43):
I've done it that a long time ago. I just
didn't have enough got to say it. So finally the
institute this weight class and Jushanliger and Fly and Brian
have these matches that the whole country talks about, and
then the Lightning Kids on ESPN, and now some of
your callers have recognized an athlete like God Tanaka, who
didn't have great success in the WWF, who I simply

(01:03:04):
because there in guys like the Warlorder, guys who are
six foot ten and three hundred and fifty pounds, which
is an unfair matchup. So I think it's a tremendous
addition to wrestling. I think it should be promoted further
than it has been, and I think it's great now
that we are actively searching not only within the Dangerous Alliance,

(01:03:29):
but everybody else is in world chimneyship wrestling is as
a matter of fact, I know for more light heavy
weights to challenge fine By, and I know Scotty Flamingo
is now in here looking for a title shot, and
I understand that there are more Japanese wrestlers who are
looking for title shots. So I think it's a very
important addition to wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Chris from Canada West Ben Wah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
From Canada is one of the many people who are
out there today, and I believe that he is, and
I could be wrong. I believe he is wrestling in
Japan right now, and I know that he has a
couple of tours of Europe scheduled. Chris Benoah from Canada

(01:04:17):
was when I originally came the World Championship Wrestling, which
at the time was still the NWA. Chris ben Wah
was one of the people that I had considered, along
with Brian Pillman, who came in and rejected an offer
to team with Dennis Condri and Randy Rose to expand

(01:04:41):
the stable that I was building at the time. Chris
Benwah from Canada is a tremendous athlete who when he
is through honing his skills in Japan and doing his
tours of Europe, when he wants employment in the United States,
I don't think anybody would say to this kid, now,
we don't have any rooms for you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
He's a great one. It's matches at Jushin Leiger in Japan.
We're really second to none.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Oh he is. He truly is. In ben Law teams
with Pillman in Canada in Calgary Shows. There's a lot
of history between the two of them as well, let's.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
Go to a final break of this hour, come back
and continue rolling through phone calls. This in Way Keller's
Pro Wrestling Focus, our guest, this hour all Dangerously.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
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(01:06:09):
does rantech crap? Anyways?

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
Anyway, Wade Keller here the butt of joke, Sunzi and
McKay sometimes and it's always a pleasure to get good publicity.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
On your own station.

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
And we're with Paul Dangerously, manager Extraordinaire, Manager of the
Year in World Championship Wrestling. We're gonna run through some
more phone calls and he's gonna join us for the
second hour.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Can you stay with us, Paul?

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
Oh? Yeah, I mean I was supposed to be on
for the entire first hours, but we're just rehashing what
I've already covered because you know you lied to me.
But that's okay. I'm used to that from you anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
All Right, So Paul's gonna be with us a second
hour and we'll get into some more issues then. But
let's hit some phone calls now, starting with Tom from
Minneapolis has been on hold quite a while.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
How are you doing? Tom? There is this dangers All
question from Tom. Is Larry's OBISCO going to leave the
Dangerous Alliance?

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
I heard Tom. You know Tom speaks English, and you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Know, well, sometimes you always want to be an interpreter
with sometimes it's tough for you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
Is under a long term contract with the Dangerous Alliance
and as well, he's under a long term personal services
contract to me. Paul E Dangerously and Larry's Ubisco dropped
two straight falls last night on WCW Saturday Night to
Nikita cole Loft. No, I am not pleased with the

(01:07:30):
result of either fall. No, I'm not pleased with the
embarrassment that a member of the Dangerous Alliance lost too
straight falls, especially to Nikita cole Loft on National TV.
Earlier today, I taped an interview that will air tonight.

Speaker 10 (01:07:50):
For the Ross Report with Jim Ross on.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
The WCW main event that airs on TBS at five
o five. I've out there in Minnesota six oh five,
normal human being time here on the East Coast, and
the answer quite simply is, Zubisco's in a very high
stressed position. He's the cruncher. And as I've stated before,

(01:08:15):
you know people can go hire a hitman or an
eliminator or an annihilator, or utilize the services of a bodyguard. Well,
I got one better. I got a cruncher. The cruncher
Larry's Abisco, and there's none better at it. And he's
in a high stressed position because his job is to
eliminate people. He's in charge of special projects. Just ask

(01:08:36):
Barry Wyndham about that. And if Larry's Abisco doesn't take
care of the job at his very first try. That's unusual,
so I get upset with him. But I've known Larry
since I was thirteen years old, and we've been very
close friends ever since. He was one of my first
friends in the wrestling business. There are no problems with

(01:08:57):
Larry's ABISCO, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
I think that answers Tom's question. He's not going to
be leaving the dangerous alliance anytime.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
You know, all these people that try to stir things up.
You know, first of all, even if there were personal problems,
we're an alliance. I never said that we're friends, that
we like each other. I never said that. You know,
we're not an army, we're not a stable, we're not
a family. We're an alliance. We're businessmen. This is a business.

(01:09:28):
We're businessmen join together to make money.

Speaker 5 (01:09:31):
Do you have some good Paullie. Would you say that
you have some good friends? Or for the most part
you just strictly a business person.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
And this person can have a lot of friends, you know,
and it's good to do business with your friends. He
makes me a lot of money, He's going to be
my friend. I like him or not. If you make
me money, you're my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
That's what I thought. Scott from Saint Paul. How are
you doing, Scott.

Speaker 6 (01:09:54):
Good Way, I've got two questions for Paulie. The first
is on Missy Hyatt. I was just wanting and if
he thinks, I'll jokeing a side that they're using her
well enough. I think that she was kind of funny
when she was a manager. And then the second part
is I just wonder if he thinks all the TV
exposure has helped.

Speaker 10 (01:10:11):
Her or really hurt wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Okay, Okay, I appreciate your call, Scott, Paul before don't answer
that because we're down to lesson a minute. Everyone, both
of them down. We'll cover them when we come back
from the break.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
Okay, and Scott's stay tuned for the second hour because
we're gonna have to go to News and Mutual Sports.
We'll come back talk about Missy Hyatt and TV exposure
on Pro Wrestling Focus before we go to the past.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
That's the thing, you know, Excuse me, sometimes that's the
very same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Sometimes it is. Let's quickly run down what's coming up
after Focus. We've got Sports.

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Weekend with Larry Fitzgerald coming up at noon until two o'clock.
From two until four to thirty NBA Basketball Detroit versus Chicago.

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Four thirty to five Timber was today pregame with Tom Hanniman,
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Four man a thirty Nasmiths postgame jam with Larry Fitzgerald.
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Progest and credit down on that seat.

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Where was Polly dangerous? We will we will be back
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Speaker 17 (01:13:30):
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Ladies and gentlemen, formerly of World Championship Wrestling and Championship
Wrestling from Florida and one of the legends of Florida Wrestling,
Please welcome mister Bob Cook.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Hey doing, Bob, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me
on the show.

Speaker 17 (01:14:34):
No problem, good to have you back. Actually, are our
staff put together the the Bob Cook theme song, so
if you'll just bear with us for a moment here.

Speaker 18 (01:14:43):
I think they have.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Helped fits much time in school, but totally it is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
It's true harm ebody.

Speaker 17 (01:14:53):
I'm just the theme from The Fall Guy by Lee Majors.
But it's still a fine song. It's great to have
you back on.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Seriously, Mom, I still like that show, even though it
was horrible after I watched it.

Speaker 17 (01:15:03):
Now, Yeah, well, yeah, that's the way A lot of
eighties shows were all right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Giants was on that once, you know, Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:15:12):
He was also on six Million Dollar Man. He was
he got, he got on a lot of shows.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
BJ and the bear yep.

Speaker 17 (01:15:19):
Andre I used to feel.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
At home might because I'm an old restler. I just
took a shot of steroids, and I'm doing some other
drugs and I'll be drinking myself into a drunken stupor later.

Speaker 17 (01:15:31):
There you go, Bob Cook, ladies and gentlemen, he's in
town all week. Okay, six four six eight. Let's uh, Bob,
what have you got? Usually guys come out and talk
about their projects. What are you working on it? Presently?

Speaker 8 (01:15:44):
Bob?

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Let's see, I'm working on deciding what I'm gonna eat
for dinner, although I am actually gonna work out in
a little while because I have a friend coming over
to work out with me.

Speaker 17 (01:15:53):
Good for you, That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
I think I'm gonna have chili tonight though.

Speaker 17 (01:15:59):
Excellent choice. All right, Let's see now, I know that
you you have occasionally been known to comment and have
opinions on what's happening in professional wrestling and what and
what did happen? And you did manage to watch draw,
I mean on tape to Lay yesterday. Can you give
us some of your impressions.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
I wasn't that impressed, you know, I don't know. I
try to focus on the positives more than the negative
because everybody else is looking at the negatives and who
wants to be like everybody else because I'd just be
a more on like the rest of them. But I
try to focus on the positives. Sometimes I get moody
and I'll watch the show and just you know, everything,
I'll just rub me the wrong way. And I don't know,
it seemed to me like last or not last one,

(01:16:39):
last last night for me, but Monday for the rest
of the real world. There's a lot of just more talking.
And I mean, I don't know, it's just you spend
fifteen minutes of the first part of the show just yapping.
I mean, every week it just gets boring, overstrippted, overthought
promos or I don't know if we call them promos,
just ramble. As far as I'm concerned, the stuff was

(01:17:00):
a new day at the beginning, and shame isn't not
It's just like, yeah, I wanted to poke my eyeballs
out and shove needles in my ear with stories and of.

Speaker 17 (01:17:08):
Course, well of course, all right, so so we might
be kind of on the same page here. But let's
let's see, have you been following any of the other
wrestlers out there. There's TNA, there's a ring of Honor,
there's there's there's New Japan, which somebody will probably be
calling and asking about the Indies, the indies circuit around here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
No, actually I haven't. I haven't watched TNA in a
long time. And I usually when I watched The Ring
of Honor, I did it with a noose around my
neck and on a chair. But I quit watching that
too because I got so heavy I couldn't find a
place in my house to put the noose. But and
I don't have the channel that you get the Japan show.

Speaker 17 (01:17:47):
On New Japan World or AXS or.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Yeah, whatever it is I get. Never watched Japanese wrestling anyways.
And with Terry Funk was wrestling.

Speaker 17 (01:17:58):
I don't think he's wrestling in Japan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
He is on YouTube anytime I want.

Speaker 17 (01:18:02):
That's true.

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Speaker 17 (01:18:39):
Well, well, we're going to take a break from all
this positivity and go to the telephones here, six four, six,
seven eight. Are you up for this, Bob?

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
I don't know what are they going to be mean?

Speaker 17 (01:18:51):
Uh no, it means not usually a problem we have. Okay,
for those of you calling in on Wednesday for the
first time, you can ask up three questions as you
can make up to three comments. You can combine them
like two questions in one comment. But at the end
of the day, that's a magic bud And this show
is PG by orders of my boss.

Speaker 8 (01:19:09):
While we're waiting for our next caller, we'd like to
remind you folks calling in we'll keep your questions when
in the boundary is a good case.

Speaker 17 (01:19:17):
It's all very simple. We'll kick things off in the
eight six to two area code eight six to two.
Please state your name in town you're on the line
cast Bob.

Speaker 12 (01:19:25):
Kylin from North New Jersey.

Speaker 17 (01:19:29):
How are you doing, Kylin?

Speaker 12 (01:19:30):
I'm very well, pat. How are you doing this week?

Speaker 17 (01:19:34):
Doing fine?

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
Uh?

Speaker 17 (01:19:35):
Do you want to say hi to Bob Cook? He's
our guest, of course, Hello Bob?

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Hello? How are you doing very well?

Speaker 19 (01:19:44):
Sir?

Speaker 17 (01:19:46):
All right? What are your questions? Kylin?

Speaker 12 (01:19:48):
Okay, my first question for you, Bob. During your time
as an enhancement talent in the his business, did you
ever specifically request to work with a specific talent or

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did a specific talent ever go to a promoter and
request to work with you?

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
That's a that's a no. I mean, I can't speak
for anybody else ask him to work with me, But
I never asked to work with anybody. I may have
asked to work, not work with a couple of people. Ah,
let's say I don't want to roll around the ring
with a fat guy named Vader. Oh, okay, you won't
have to That worked out?

Speaker 9 (01:20:41):
Well?

Speaker 17 (01:20:42):
All right? Well they did listen to you then, Okay, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
I don't know if they listened to Jody Hamilton was
the guy who booked WCW stuff, and he just made
sure I never had to work the big beast of
stiffen them.

Speaker 17 (01:20:54):
Yeah, you wouldn't want to get your back broken for
one thing or anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
I was, you know, I was the next match out
after he broke that guy's back.

Speaker 17 (01:21:02):
Joe Thurman.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had to work with Tom Zinc
and everybody knows how hard that is. I'm just kidding. Yeah,
compared to Vader, it's like.

Speaker 17 (01:21:11):
Night and days.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Not even that.

Speaker 12 (01:21:17):
Question number two for you, Bob, do you feel that
that's the role of of an enhancement talent has changed
in a positive or negative way?

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
And here I would say it's negative and positive both.
It's positive in some sense because who wants to watch
guys just get beat up by a so called superstar,
And it's negative because none of the guys that used
to do that are making any money doing it anymore.
You go back and watch the old TBS shows which
are pop up up on the WW network now, and

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sometimes you don't really even want to watch that. People
like to fantasize that those shows are so much better
than today until you actually watch them and go, well, jeez,
there's a whole lot of talking and a whole lot
of nothing going on in the ring. Oh wait, there's
flaring running garfent cool. That's really cool. At least you
got that.

Speaker 18 (01:22:16):
Yeah, okay, And my final question for you, sir, do
you think that if you want to try to get
to get.

Speaker 12 (01:22:33):
Into the wrestling business today as opposed to why you
did that, there would be a proper place for you
to make a good living and be treated well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
No, it's very unlikely. Now there's there's less places to wrestle,
there's less schools worth training guys. I when you got
guys nowadays that open the school because they bought a
ring off of high Spots and learn on some DVD.
They bought how to be a wrestler. And then you
got guys that buy into it and pay him to
train him to be you know, like breeding. It's like
a disease that's taken over. You got guys that don't
know what they're doing, training guys that continue to go

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on to not know what to doing, to train more
guys who don't know what to doing, and then there's
nowhere to wrestle except the independent circuit wonderss. You get
really lucky and get to go to next or whatever
next dist or whatever they call it.

Speaker 17 (01:23:24):
Yeah, man, yeah, WWE. Okay, all right, Kylin, thanks for
checking in.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
It's easier than ever to get in wrestling, but it's
harder than ever to ever make it. Not that I
would know what it's like to make it, but you
know what I mean.

Speaker 17 (01:23:38):
Well, I understand completely. All right, Well, Kylin drops off
and then opens up a line for you. Six for
six seven eight pw towrch live cast at gmail dot
com is the other way to reach us. I'm gonna
take a question. We have an email question. Let's take it.
It is men Well from Belgium who let's see after
some after some preliminaries, here Manuel asks, uh, why is

(01:24:01):
the stock price of ww still going strong after all
this bad news, bad ratings, bad shows, and overall totally
bad results. Let's say it's maybe it has to do
with no competition jumping in when the product's down to that.
I think that I think that a lot of the
people who buy stock are not the same people who
are professional wrestling fans, so they're you know, so you

(01:24:22):
know the word, the word that there are a couple
of bad shows that the ratings are slipping, that that
might trickle down to them eventually. But you know that
not right at the moment, Bob did. I don't know
how your portfolio is, but do you have any ideas
on that?

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Well, I mean, if you look at the ww's finances,
they're not you know, that's the way best starting worried
about if you're if you're a stock guide, to realize
the company, at least from what I've seen, is pretty
healthy for the most part. I mean, they got three
announcers on every show. They can't be hurting too bad.
Get rid of some of those announcers. We don't need them,
I say, we fire Booker t h. The other the

(01:24:57):
Byron Island looking guy that I can't think of all
the name.

Speaker 17 (01:25:00):
His name is actually Byron but okay, oh that's weird now, yeah,
that's kind of neat all right, Well, the answer is
that let's go let's go back to the telephones we've got.
Are you there, Byron?

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Well, you said he was from Belgium.

Speaker 17 (01:25:18):
Oh, yes, I'll pass the word along to men. Well
about that, we're gonna go to hold on the moment, Yes,
I gotta get better with that. Okay, We're gonna go
to the too far roh area code two pH. Please
state your name in town. You're on the live cast
with Bob.

Speaker 14 (01:25:31):
Come.

Speaker 20 (01:25:35):
This is Ryan from carl and Maryland.

Speaker 17 (01:25:37):
How you doing, Ryan?

Speaker 20 (01:25:39):
Yeah, first question for Bob is you could go ahead
and repackage with a gain nick gimmick we've used in
the bc W.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Well, I don't know. Usually he's not up to the guy.

Speaker 17 (01:25:52):
M okay, But but let's say you were starting out,
did you have a preferred choice of gimmick?

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Not really, which is probably why I am sitting here
right now and doing nothing. But I just look were
a pro wrestler, Like I said, you have said many times.
I hate the term enhancement talent. I hate the term jobber.
I like the term pro wrestler. That just didn't win
too often because people think of you as a lower
life form when you were supposedly a jobber or an

(01:26:19):
enhancement talent. We all trained in the same gyms, we
all went to the same restling school. We ought not
the same reston school, but trained the same way. We
all go up and down the same road, stay in
the same hotels, and have things going on with the
same rats back in the day. That's a little weird.

Speaker 17 (01:26:33):
Yeah, just just a bet. Okay, But you were let's
see and list being Bob Cook, you were occasionally the
mass superstar, you were Piranha Steel. What were your thoughts
about being What were your thoughts about that? Was that
a good gimmick for you?

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Or I mean it was just you know, basically, it
was just hey, Bob, you're ugly, put a mask on
and we'll call you Purana Steel. Hey, I get it, fine.
But the cool part about that was is the Angela
Postl was my manager for It was a brief gimmick
for the Global Wrestling here in Florida when it started
an eighty. I think it was the first company actually
had public when Public was stock back in the day.
I only worked for him for the first TV taping

(01:27:07):
because I went somewhere else afterwards, and the guy that
booked the show got mad at me because I went
somewhere else afterwards. But okay, but it was fun.

Speaker 17 (01:27:18):
All right, Let's see Ryan.

Speaker 20 (01:27:20):
The second question is he think was the mist ever
pushed wrestler in w CW or at the NWA besides
Big Van Theater.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
What was that? Again?

Speaker 17 (01:27:30):
Most Over pushed wrestler in WCW while you were there?

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Oh, overpushed maybe Luger. I don't know, and he wasn't.
I don't know. Maybe they pushed him pretty hard for
a while. Yeah, I don't know if he called over
pushed though. They're always trying to you know, they want
to make somebody a start. They're going to push him
as much as they want. Like everybody says, Roman Range
is being a shoved down their throats. No he's not. Guys,
a hell of a worker. Get over yourselves. What do

(01:27:54):
you people want? You're just jealous because he has long hair.
Most of the years got involved.

Speaker 20 (01:28:07):
Go on ever the new Breed or the mob squad.
He was the bitter tag team.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Oh the new Breed.

Speaker 17 (01:28:15):
Now you know?

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Okay, But I knew Chris Jambers for many years, so
I got a side with Chris, Ryan, Shawn. I haven't
seen Shawn in here. I don't know if he's even alive.

Speaker 17 (01:28:25):
Is he alive? I that I would have to look. Okay,
I'll be uh, I'll be doing that. Uh while uh Paul,
Ryan signs off here, thanks, no problem, all right? Well
well Ryan drops all right, bye. Well that's a bit
loud at six four six seven pw Torch Live cast

(01:28:45):
at gmail dot com is the other way to reach us.
Let's say, uh, Chris Champion, Sean Royal. Okay, no, no, no, no, no, jeez, Okay,
there's let's see. Yeah, this is this is the problem
with uh, this is the problem with finding these things
online because there was a new breed in the w
W E version of ECW. Jeez, let's see. And that's

(01:29:08):
where yeah, that's where this directs me to. All Right,
I'm gonna have to uh yeah, okay, here we go,
Christ Champion and Sean Royal. Well, I'm bob. I'm going
to Wikipedia, which, of course is the which, of course
is the source for all accurate information as you know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Oh yeah, but nobody can change that stuff.

Speaker 17 (01:29:23):
All right, Sean Royal started wrestling. Let's see. The last
entry for him was him was him working in two
thousand and one and then w A wild side. So
I have not heard anything about him, good or bad.
That probably means you're still alive, though, yeah, yeah, usually
that means usually that means you live.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
Christ Champions. They did a benefit for him recently in Tennessee.

Speaker 17 (01:29:48):
Okay, there you go. We're gonna go now to the
five to one five area code. All right, five one five,
please stay your name in town you're on the live cast.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
With Bobby.

Speaker 16 (01:29:59):
By theres Neil from You the Morning and Hour.

Speaker 17 (01:30:02):
H Right, Neil and what's your quiet? Yep?

Speaker 16 (01:30:05):
Yeah, Well I just kind of find it. I know
that a lot of wrestlers have had problems with their addictions,
and a lot of people do, and I just kind
of found it offsetting how this interview started. I know
it was tongue in cheek, I hope, but uh, you

(01:30:26):
know it's a stereotype that it's somewhat true, but I
don't know. I just didn't care for it.

Speaker 17 (01:30:33):
I guess, Okay, I can't just woke up. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
Now I'm gonna go take more steroids and drink more
because of that, and I'm depressed. I'm gonna pop pills. Mouths,
I was just gonna drink. I'm gonna pop pills too,
Thanks pal, alright, got camp welcome?

Speaker 17 (01:30:49):
Yeah, anything else to share?

Speaker 16 (01:30:53):
I hope that's it.

Speaker 17 (01:30:55):
Okay, Well, thank you for dropping by.

Speaker 9 (01:30:58):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Yes, sick, I didn't mean to do that.

Speaker 17 (01:31:02):
Yes, well, you know I mean we I mean this
is a particly professional wrestling podcast. Bob. You know you
know that we try very hard not to hurt people's feelings. Okay. Now,
when you were on last time, you started to tell
a story and we got interrupted about about the time
Sting saved you from being chewed out by cowboy Bill Watts.

(01:31:22):
Do you wanna do you want to go back into
that or I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
I mean it was just one of those things, like
you know. Watchs was known to tell guys what he
thought and do it very loudly in a room by themselves.
And we did a match. I did a match with
Sting where you know, when you worked with Sting, you
sit in ad dressing m with him and you could
call the whole match, and he put his makeup on
and he did just go with the flow, you know.
And I like to do comedy stuff once in a while,
you know where I jump over the top rope and

(01:31:48):
trip and come in to ring and trip different stupid things.
And I was telling him, you know, all this stuff,
and he goes, that sounds good. And Michael Hayes was
sitting there and he goes, oh, Watch is gonna hate that.
He goes, I love it, Go ahead and do it,
but Watch is gonna hate it, and laugh Watch will
do Oh geez, I'm sorry. He's a bad word, I'm sorry, Yeah, okay,
but anyway, anyways, he said, forget wats do it? Anyways,

(01:32:10):
we went out there and did it, and when we
got back, watch was he like, whose idea was all
that crap? I don't need that on y TV show?
And Sting said, oh, that was my idea, and then
Watch went and then watched and said, well, okay, just
don't do it again.

Speaker 17 (01:32:22):
Grumbled, grumble, grumble grumble.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Yeah right, which was so, you know, he say, he
saved me from getting you on it. He could have
easily said, oh, Bob, want to do it? You know,
I mean, it's not it's not a compelling story, but
you know it's a story.

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Speaker 17 (01:33:29):
All right, speaking of us stories that we have, I
can ask you this is a question, so we'll take that.
It comes from the It comes from our chat room
at PW torchlivecast dot com. From our man Chicky singer
CHICKI wants to know, Bob, who do you think should
have gotten the Berry Horrowitz Push and WCW the wrestler,
the enhancement wrestler is getting to scoring the big upset victory?

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Well, me, of course? Who else? I'm just kidding, you know,
I never thought about this position.

Speaker 17 (01:33:56):
Who is this? Who is the second most deserving?

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Hmmm? Actually a real tough question because I got to
think back. Who was there? I mean, you know, uh heck,
we start thought.

Speaker 17 (01:34:11):
Was yeah, I mean, let me let me start thinking
about the episodes that are up on the network right now,
Tony Zain, let's say, let's see the cool connection. George South.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
I mean, George was a great work. He could have
been like a junior heavyweight champion of something. You know,
Denny Brown was a junior heavyweight champion, and both of
them were really really good workers. Yeah, okay, Georgia and
George like you know, like proof still today. He loves
the business as much as anybody and traveling up and
down the road every week doing it. And he's a

(01:34:46):
great guy too if you don't know him.

Speaker 17 (01:34:49):
Okay, Yeah, George has actually been on the live cast before.
I don't I think Bruce Mitchell was hosting that day.
But uh yeah, okay, very popular choice. Let's see here,
I'm thinking back. Okay, so when did you Okay, I've
read that your WCW career pretty much was nineteen eighty
eight through nineteen eight ninety four.

Speaker 9 (01:35:10):
Was that?

Speaker 17 (01:35:11):
Is that accurate? Did you work before that? Did you
work for them before that or after that?

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Or no? That was it the ninety eight first time
I worked for him, and then last time was in
eighty eight ninety four or somewhere.

Speaker 17 (01:35:26):
Okay, So I'll try to get well, I'm gonna go
look this up here in a second and try to
figure out what was who else would have been a
candidate for that? But yeah, I mean I people say
that there aren't you know, enhancement performers anymore? And I
you know, every week I can every week I can
tune onto the WWE network and watch Heath Slater lose
as he can do as he goes for like zero

(01:35:47):
and five hundred. Do you think that's every week? Do
you think I must watch Superstars?

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Yeah? You must watch the shows other than a row
In Smackdun because I don't see him I those shows, right.

Speaker 17 (01:35:59):
But what I'm saying is, yeah, they obviously do have
enhancement performers. They just don't call them that they I mean,
they're not enhancement performers but pro wrestlers who lose a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
I recently saw how ww categorized jobbers or whatever they
like to call them, and they essentially called them props
as part of their lawsuit. That doesn't seem very smart
to me to basically treat, you know, treat them as
though they're nothing to do there. But when the lawsuit,

(01:36:31):
you should at least say, yeah, you know, don't blow
them off is nothing more than just a prop because
that makes them seem kind of that they don't care
about them, which they don't, but they don't care about
anybody nobody cares about anybody.

Speaker 17 (01:36:43):
That's That's that's true. I mean I think some of them.
What w I'm sorry, go ahead, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
I was just gonna say. I mean, people complain about
Vince being the evil, you know, dictator of wrestling, and
he treats people like crap. I guess what, people, if
you work at Walmart, Target, k Mark, McDonald's, Wendy's, Arby's,
or the local bar down this road, your boss is
going to be a jerk and you're gonna think that. Regardless,
Trance is no different than anybody else. He's a little
more real, a little more.

Speaker 17 (01:37:09):
Wealthy, just just a bit. Yeah, but now that unfortunately
you're correct about that. Let's see, I'm looking up the
names of great jobbers from nineteen eighty eight, or police jobbers,
Tony Super, let's see Alan Martin, I don't know, Yeah,
Tommy Angel and Cougar Jay. Well there's a there's a

(01:37:30):
great tag team there.

Speaker 11 (01:37:32):
All right?

Speaker 17 (01:37:32):
Uh, oh, we have it. We do have a chat
room question, Bob, what is your funniest Kevin Sullivan story?

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
I don't have any rules of funny Kevin, So what
I mean.

Speaker 17 (01:37:43):
There are there funny Kevin Sullivan stories.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
I mean, Kevin's always been really, you know, super nice
to me and helped me a lot over the years.
I saw him in Las Vegas at the Kylie Flower
Rally Club last year or last year this year in April.
He's a you know, it's a great guy. I think.
One of the funnier things Billy Jack Haynes, who is
a loon, who's a goof, who's an idiot, who's got
a concussion, I guess and Sue and everybody, and wants
money for doing nothing. Work for a company for less

(01:38:08):
than two years and he wants money. Strange, Hey, I
work for him for less than a year. I want
some money, but I ain't asking for it. Anyways, Billy
Jack was in a dress room telling him the stupidest
story about something to do with the cow having sex.
I don't know. It's probably a personal thing. But he's
telling his stupid story and he gets to whatever the
punchline was and he starts laughing like a Hyaena. Everybody
in the dressing room stared him like he is a Hyaena,

(01:38:28):
and Kevin Sealvan looks at him. He gets up to
gets up to Bill and he goes Billy, that's this
stupid blanken story I've ever heard in my life. And
he just walked away and I laughed my ass off
at that.

Speaker 17 (01:38:40):
Yeah, okay, you know, all right, let's see, Well, Billy,
that's always been a loud Yeah he was a Yeah.
I think he's been was alluding for multiple promotions over
several years. Let's see, I'm all right, of all the okay,

(01:39:02):
of all the of all the major shows you've you've
got to work for w CW, what was your favorite?

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Oh heck, I don't know. I mean, I just like
being there. I can't specifically say what was my favorite.
I think I can't even remember where they were, but
we I used to base what the favorite place to
go based on what the catering was, because some places
you'd go into catering it was crap. And then I
would say that I did the Classic Champions that one
time when me and Joe Cruz were the head Hunters

(01:39:29):
and we wrestled some Japanese guys. They had steak for
catering that night, and that was really good.

Speaker 17 (01:39:36):
Holy cow. All right, let me hold on.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
We had to call the whole dress the whole match
in the dressing room because the Japanese guys pretended not
to speak English.

Speaker 17 (01:39:43):
I think, well, yeah, let's see, Okay, here we go
to that. There you are, okay, Charleston, South Carolina on
the Calisterfield House. Yeah, which actually which actually ros going
to be in Charleston on Monday. So so it's so
but there you go. It's relevant and timely if they're
serving sake that is.

Speaker 15 (01:40:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
But that's that's why I mean when it comes to
the TV and doing that kind of stuff, for the
most part, for me, it was all the same, you know.
I just like being there. I wasn't somebody who made
complain about anything, and will you know, didn't worry about
anything other than maybe get hurt. But nobody ever hurt
me on purpose. I don't think Ron Simmons blacked my
eye once. Yeah, but I think I've a told a

(01:40:28):
story before. He didn't do it on purpose.

Speaker 17 (01:40:31):
I don't think right makes sense? All right? Chatterm questions
for you? Who did you wrestle in your retirement match
and who would you like to wrestle? Who would you
like to wrestle in your retirement match?

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
Well, I well, I'm actually going to wrestle again in January.
So there's no really anybody really retires. But the last
match I had with w C or not w C,
w C I have. The last for match I had
was the road Dog Jesse James and a dark Man.
But the last match I had before, like to asked,
was this an indie show match? You know, with a

(01:41:05):
guy named Buck Corterman, who's a great guy, a great worker.
But I wrestled last year.

Speaker 17 (01:41:09):
Actually all right, but you don't know, you don't know
who you're wrestling next month.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
Not exactly, it's like tix weeks away. I don't know
what I'm doing tomorrow. Actually no, but I don't know.
I mean, who can you have a retirement match with
that that would matter at this point, you know, and
it's just going to be some independent show and I'll
probably never completely retire because I have a sickness.

Speaker 17 (01:41:36):
Well, I mean it would matter to you who you
wrestled in your last match in theory.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
Well, I mean, when it comes to doing that, the
independent stuff, I wrestled people. I want to work with
people that I know that aren't going to hurt me
on purpose or that they're just idiots. I want to
you know what, like a lot of like I talked
earlier about the disease going through wrestling of untrained guys
training more untrained guys unless you go to the Dudley school,
and of course you're gonna learn that, but let's not

(01:42:00):
talk about that. You won't know how to throw punches
like Bubbaret was on Monday night.

Speaker 17 (01:42:04):
Wait to go man, hm, Okay, let's go back to
telephones to the three four seven area code three four seven,
Please stay training now you only line?

Speaker 21 (01:42:16):
Yeah, Hell, hey is Jonathan for New York?

Speaker 17 (01:42:22):
Are you doing Jonathan?

Speaker 21 (01:42:24):
Well, that was like a good topic that you guys
mentioned about why when he comes because the other day
I was listening, I was looking at the interview with
the als. No he mentions a lotto, So the same
thing about like anybody could be a trainer now, like
why people are doing that right now?

Speaker 16 (01:42:45):
Why what's the.

Speaker 21 (01:42:46):
Point of people training when they don't when they never
wrestlers before? Like bas feel like now anybody could be
a wrestler, because that could be the angels if you
don't how the pupet trainer you know to be a wrestler.

Speaker 17 (01:42:58):
Well, Bob, I mean you're the expert here, but I'm
going to guess that that that they're doing it to
make money. Do you have any anything to't if.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
They actually make money? Because I found even back in
the days of my time that, you know, when I
went to the Great mellencal School, you always had people
that would come in and say, well, I can't pay
you this way, can't you know? And let think you
know people when they find out they got to pay
the train I tried to do some wrestling training years ago,
and I because I hate people and I don't have
any patience, it didn't work out too well. But you
always had people who are just you know, they don't

(01:43:28):
want to pay, or they can't pay, or whatever their excusees.
Even though they could smoke cigarettes and drink beer before
they get to the training school, they can't afford to
pay the school. But you know, I think the reason
people do it is the same reason we all did
is because you love it. You just don't realize your
crap and you think you're doing a good job, but
it turns out you're not. They think they know what
they're doing. I mean, you know, no one's like going

(01:43:49):
in and going I know I sucked, but I'm going
to train you. Anyways, They're not going to tell you that,
and they don't believe it. Now what just happens that
they do the misfortunate believing in yourself? Who wants who
should do that? When you're when you're you know, you
shouldn't believe in yourself no matter what.

Speaker 17 (01:44:06):
Where's the little by?

Speaker 21 (01:44:07):
Okay, Jonathan Oh, I got a question about the current pride,
about what's going on with Roman Range and everybody. So
at the end of the day Monday, I remember when
I was listening to the show to the to you
and and and James, I don't remember, yeah, James, when

(01:44:28):
it comes to Roman, Raine and and and how damage
is right now? Because I really don't think that as
I could comeback. I don't think there will be a
comeback with him because he saw damaged that what else
can can can he do? Like I know everybody talks
about him turning turning Hill, but I think even if

(01:44:52):
he turns hill, that would be not not much help
because let's say, if he goes against who who is
he gonna go answer to that that they in the
future he ten and baby face again because the same
thing is gonna be like, okay, they turning hel and
then the future they're gonna make us. You know, you're
gonna show it up here. You know what they gave,

(01:45:14):
you know, to making the champions.

Speaker 16 (01:45:16):
Thanks.

Speaker 17 (01:45:18):
Okay, Well, I think I've given in the past two
perfectly valid answers for how to get people to cheer
Roman reigns. Number One, tournament heel and have Paul Hayman
manage him and cut his promos to lem So Number
two is you said, Roman reigns on the on the
tour of all the instead of John stoning. He said,
Roman reigns on a tour of all the NBC television shows,

(01:45:39):
having him give out Superman punches at each shelf. You know,
once he's Superman Man. Once he gives a Superman punch
to Matt Lower and another one to Bob Costas, I
think people will be tearing him.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
Hold on, you know, I was just looking. I was
just looking up on the internet. I'm trying to find
Roman Rains his phone numbers so I can break the
bad news to him. I can say, Roman, I got
bad news for You're only thirty years old. But you're
already washed up. You're only thirty years old. Your career
is over. You're only thirty years old. You busted your
butt to get where you are. But I can't take
the attitude that people have about Roman Rain. I need
a kid, the great worker. Hi, he's already what are

(01:46:13):
we gonna do? He's being shoved down in your throats.
Nobody's being shoved down your throats.

Speaker 17 (01:46:19):
Any look, any anything, that's any reason that you know
what happens with Roman Reigns is not the fault of
Roman Reigns. Okay, I mean he's a he's a wrestler.
He shows up. You know he's a wrestler. He has
had good matches, so we know that that's not his problem.
And he's pretty much doing exactly what he's being told.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
Yeah, he's not being shoved down people's throat. If he
is being shoved down to people's throat, he'd be in
every single segment of the show. But guess what he's not.
What is his to show? Fifteen to twenty minutes a
week at the most. Come on VPO.

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Speaker 17 (01:48:16):
All right, cel Jonathan, who.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
Do you want him to do? You wanted to bring
back Zach Ryder and shove him down your throat? You
want him to bring back Brad Maddox and shove him
down your throat? Who's being shoved down your throat? Nobody?
I say, definitely passed Junkyard dog dolls out to everybody.

Speaker 17 (01:48:33):
Okay, let's let's try this again. Let's go back to
the telephones, this time to the nine to five to
two area code nine five to two. Please state your
name in town you're on the live cast pop nine
five two.

Speaker 16 (01:48:48):
Hello.

Speaker 18 (01:48:50):
Hello, Yes, hi guys, Joing.

Speaker 16 (01:48:53):
This is Brian on Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Speaker 17 (01:48:56):
Hey, how you doing, Brian? You got any questions for Bob?

Speaker 16 (01:49:00):
One question was kind of a comment which she was
just talking about, which was Roman Reigns being kind of
shoved down our throats and I have to agree. I mean,
if you go just on WWE's shop alone, which I
was doing for Christmas shopping, he has more T shirts
than just about anyone else in the company, and he
has the most amount of reworks in those, so he's

(01:49:20):
so much get different branding. So well, someone like Adela's
biggler No no, but dlve biggler is going to get
one branding for a year. Well, someone like John Tina
is going to lead in the marketing because he's gonna
get more options. So I'm just saying they're definitely giving
him more opportunities than are afforded other people. Certain people
are chosen like a shaman, so he's.

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
A show down your throat somehow. They've got some kind
of like a mechanism that takes your arm, and when
you're watching that, looking at WW shop zone dot com,
your arms being twisted by ww some weird way, and
you're buying his stuff that's not shoving down the throat
obviously the stuff so they don't waste money on merchandise
that don't sell shot down or not. That makes me sick.

(01:50:03):
If you go to WW shop zone dot com and
type in Roman Reigne's name, then you're gonna look for
Roman range and stuff. Clearly merchandiseselves well.

Speaker 17 (01:50:15):
Roman Reigns is positioned in the time in where it
is because A. He headlined WrestleMania last year. B He
is probably gonna headline WrestleMania again this year. And you know,
I genuine I think that, Uh, I think that the
top guys do get prime positioning. And you know, right
now and he's wrestling, he's headlong the next pay per view.
I would think that as the babyface, I would think

(01:50:37):
those are reasons that you'd have lots of the stuff
available to buy.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
Yeah, how awful was that match at WrestleMania this year?
Oh my goodness, he don't deserve even.

Speaker 17 (01:50:50):
A great match.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Yes, I know, so I agree.

Speaker 17 (01:50:54):
Yeah, And and the guys what they could.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
But every match, what the heck's wrong with people? What
do they want the guy to do? He busts his
ass every single week. What do you want the guy
to do just because he's not super still, Big Billy
Graham on the microphone? Guess what name anybody in the
company that's great on the microphone nowadays?

Speaker 16 (01:51:09):
Nobody. That's the point, that's that's the issue. You finally,
you said it is that everyone is neutered in it
one company. In a lot of ways, no one is
allowed to fully excel. They limit you because, like I
talked about it last week on the live cast, I
predicted it as soon as Shame as won on Sunday,
I said, I bet you on Monday, Triple H's music
the Authority opens the opening segment at the top of

(01:51:29):
the show and through it out they will play out.
So it's not Shame, that's the champions music, it's them.
Everyone is neutered. That's the issue is that you can't invest.
I'm not against Roman Reigns. I mean some of the
things he has said has rubbed me the wrong way,
you know, the entitlement in some way. I don't like
that personally, But I don't hate him for his performance
in the ring. What I don't like is not not

(01:51:52):
getting others an opportunities, the ones that fans are cheering for.
Not to say it put Kevin owners in the main event,
but to completely dismiss some of the eyes. And I
think of Daniel Bryan rubbing people's noses in the dog
Craft for choosing someone that they haven't chosen themselves in
the company.

Speaker 17 (01:52:09):
Well, that's I mean, having the authority figure storyline still
going after, you know, seventeen years and based and if
you'll remember they were doing this with Triple A's and
Stephanie running the authority fifteen years ago. I mean, I
think that's I think that might be the big that's
one of the two big problems they have right now.

Speaker 16 (01:52:29):
And how much money do they draw? How much has
the authority ever drawn? You know what I mean? Like
you guys are talking about being shoved down in our
throat stone cold Steve Boston was shoved down my throat
as a teenager. But I loved it. I couldn't consume
enough of it because there was this there was a
consensusum of everyone. Amongst everyone, it's his time. This guy
is now the guy. Not a lot of like naysayers,

(01:52:51):
And if they were there, they were they were tuned
out by the over abundance of cheers for him. Roman Reigns,
on the contrary, keeps getting chances and not in fans eyes,
the chosen ones. I feel like, thanks, guys, okay.

Speaker 17 (01:53:04):
Well let me let me bounce us a different way.
And then I want to get Bob involved in this
Landstorm's theory about this, and I is basically one that
I is the one that I like to use. He's
pointed out that, you know, for the past few years,
the the authority, you know, the storyline is that the
authority chooses the champion that they want, and that the

(01:53:24):
guy that they don't want is the underdog, and you
should cheer for them, and you should hate the guy
they've chosen. So when they act like they've chosen. So
when the fans act, like when WW acts like they're
choosing Roman Reigns and their authority figures they're choosing Roman Reigns,
the fans react like, hey, they're too. The companies behind
Roman Reigns, this has to be a bad guy, so
we should be going and so we should be billing

(01:53:45):
him and cheering for the guy that they're not pushing.

Speaker 16 (01:53:47):
It's definitely one of them guys.

Speaker 17 (01:53:51):
All right, no problem, Brian, I'm bomb sorry I did.
I really did not mean to depress anybody, but that's yeah,
that's that's kind of my opinion. Yeah, okay, all right,
let's stop that now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
Okay, well, I know you want to go back to
the phones, Bob, Sure, shove somebody down, somebody down, our throats.

Speaker 17 (01:54:13):
Well, let's shove somebody down our throats right now. We're
gonna go to the seven seven three area code seven
seven three. Please state your name in town. You're on
the live cast with Bob Cook.

Speaker 11 (01:54:23):
Boy Boys in Chicago.

Speaker 17 (01:54:26):
Your timing is that phone has always Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:54:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:54:32):
Continue with the thing shoving down our throat? What diva
would you like to be shoved down your throat at.

Speaker 17 (01:54:41):
Sea, so to speak?

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
Which one I can tell you what I do? That's
nia Jack's.

Speaker 17 (01:54:50):
Okay, Well, yeah, I mean different strokes for you know,
I'm sure there are some anyway. Anyway, moving on, but
do you have a favor among the young lady wrestlers
of the w W A Bob, I'm sure is what
he's asking.

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
I like the divas myself, and I think most of
them can work when they're given an opportunity to do
it in showcase, and that includes to Bella's all you
haters out there. They don't like necessarily how they're treated sometimes,
like you know, we can have a three hour show,
and to me, the solution to the three hour show
is that you just give the matches more time to
develop and you know, more fun if the matches in

(01:55:24):
five minutes.

Speaker 17 (01:55:26):
No, no, no, Bob, Bob is obviously Obviously, w W
has figured out that people want less wrestling on their
three hour show and more talking.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
Oh because to me, a three hour show be really
easy to fill. You got a whole bunch of people
who want to work the rests don't want to go
five minutes. I know that for a fact, said maybe
the big show. He probably don't even want to go
two minutes because that takes him away from the catering,
you know, him and him and Kevin Owens. But you
still longer matches less yeapping, I like that, Okay, I

(01:55:55):
thought less Lynch and Charlotte had held a match on.

Speaker 17 (01:55:58):
For all this week they that Actually, yeah, okay, those
are those are two fine choices I think for us.

Speaker 11 (01:56:06):
Yes, I have a question about you because you said
you don't like to call him and Enhance. You know,
this is the modern way to call them real wrestlers
because if you if you think about you know, Joy
Mags and Harry Horse, and they were excellent wrestlers because
they you know, helped to get to you know, the
main stars over how you wanted to do it. Have
you ever met other you know who do you know

(01:56:29):
that you'd like to have met that you know wasn't
going to be a main superstar.

Speaker 16 (01:56:36):
And in the program?

Speaker 17 (01:56:39):
Okay, Bob, Bob, do you guys have a convention every
year that I mean not cauliflower all, Yes, I wouldn't.
Well we don't call him that, but yeah. No, wrestlers
who lose the will lose more often than they went.

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
Yes, no, but I mean I got along with most
of the guys. You know, I wasn't a troublemaker.

Speaker 17 (01:57:04):
What's good to now?

Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
But we go to a thing in Tampa every three
months called a Legends Lunch that Brian Blair puts on.
You know, a bunch of us old rests get together
and tell stories and lie a little bit. Mhm, kind
of kind of last one we went, we went last
Friday night. I bought a book from Buddy Cope.

Speaker 17 (01:57:24):
Ah, well, how was how was his book? I haven't
read it.

Speaker 16 (01:57:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
I haven't read it yet. I just looked at the pictures.

Speaker 11 (01:57:31):
What Okay, my last question, I haven't received it. But
just see this if survey email by w D Actually,
what do you watch? Are you changing?

Speaker 17 (01:57:42):
Tenne on?

Speaker 10 (01:57:43):
This?

Speaker 11 (01:57:45):
If I was a changing channel? You know if these
I would change it for uh to you know, to
watch Netflix, which is you know, Jessica Jones or whatever
those because they got great heals and stuff like that. Yeah,
what are you watching that you would change channel front?
You know, change channel, just going on the change channel thing?

(01:58:05):
What would you What are you watching outside of you know,
WV program?

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
I watched Nashville. I love Nashville. I started watching Oranges
and the New Block on Netflix. I think the show.
I like The Walking Dead. I like Last Man on Earth.
Uh yeah, that's you know, that's the ones I can
think off the top of my head. But I don't
not watch Raw or Smack.

Speaker 4 (01:58:29):
Then.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
I watch the shows because I love wrestling, and I've
always taken the good with the bad. When the bad
is on, I watch it and I go I move
on with my life. It's not gonna change my life
one way or the other if the show is good
or bad. I'm not gonna go into a deep depression
when it's bad. I'm not gonna go celebrate and buy
a new car. When it's good, I watch the show
and I move on. Because I'm a wrestling fan. I'm
not a fly by night fan. I'm not a fake

(01:58:50):
sports fan like most people. They go, I can't waite
for football season to start. Oh, my team's gonna do
good this year. Two games in, they're like, oh, hell
with this team, I'm not watching anymore. They're not really fans.
I just want to be part of something that's winning.
If you love wrestling, you watch it till the end,
you take to go with the bad and you watch it.
But if you're a jackass and you just think everything
should be to your liking every single week, then you know,

(01:59:12):
like I hate Morgan on The Walking Dead, but I'm
not gonna stop watching The Walking Dead because he's still alive.
I hope he's not soon, but I hate him.

Speaker 16 (01:59:21):
I hate.

Speaker 11 (01:59:23):
I hate Ward on It just a shield because like
I said, he's to me, he's not redeemableed. They should
have knocked him off a long time ago. If he's
continuing to do a more than heels things, you know,
and I really have a passionate hate for this character,
which is great because that's what he's there for. You know,
there's a lot of characters.

Speaker 16 (01:59:43):
That's why I.

Speaker 11 (01:59:44):
Wish that we can get back to heels being allowed
to be heels and faces being faces so we can
have someone that I just can't take this guy, you
know what I'm saying. When the Three Birds came down
when they was when they was heels, I couldn't stand him.
I could not stand them because they was just ugh
and you know get you know not these dot guys

(02:00:06):
off and they did their job. They get out Dan
were able to be heels. I wish we could get
back to net part of wrestling, which is healed and faces.

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Speaker 17 (02:01:13):
Well, I mean, the problem I think is, you know,
WWE when they when they try real hard to create,
to create babyfaces. You know people who you know, people
who kids, you know, parents can take their kids to
see and all that. These people might be babyfaces as
one group, but they're heels to like the you know,
the adult males who also watch FRAW and pay their

(02:01:34):
money to you know, pay their money. That's I mean,
I think that's, uh, that's an issue. It's not necessarily something.
I mean ww has obviously been working through that for
several years with John Cena, and they haven't seem to
have a problem making money off of it. But you know,
maybe they need maybe that's something they need to address
if they're if they're if they want a character to
get over with the adult male audience.

Speaker 11 (02:01:54):
Thanks Pat, How is your Thanksgiving better?

Speaker 4 (02:01:56):
Way?

Speaker 17 (02:01:57):
It was good? It was good? Yeah? And uh, how
was your bors.

Speaker 16 (02:02:03):
Excellent?

Speaker 11 (02:02:03):
As always a lot of stuff.

Speaker 17 (02:02:06):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 3 (02:02:07):
Nobody shove. Nobody shove turkey down your throat, mesh.

Speaker 17 (02:02:13):
They shove.

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
They have a problem with the Roman reigns being shoved
down that throw, but they don't have no problem with
Turkey being shoved down to the.

Speaker 17 (02:02:20):
Troup usually don't. Now that's a good one, thank you. Boris?
All right, all right? Boris drops off that umped up
a line for you, six four six eight, coming near
the end of our hour together with Bob Cook. Oh
by the way, uh, coming up and coming up at

(02:02:40):
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is advised. Uh yeah, yeah, jeez. Uh okay, how was
your thanks again, Bob?

Speaker 3 (02:03:01):
He was very quiet. My wife, who I haven't talked
to in months, I still don't talk to, so it
was very nice and quiet, just me and my dog.

Speaker 17 (02:03:09):
Oh okay, I.

Speaker 3 (02:03:11):
Have a son, but he didn't invite me over for
playing Stuman dinner because he knows they hate kids. So
that worked out good.

Speaker 17 (02:03:18):
Yeah, yeah, I worked out We're got nice for all concerned.
And by the way, next Monday, I expect to I
expect to pass up Rod because I have actually been
in Washington Redskins stand for thirty five years, and they'll
be playing the Dallas Cowboys and what might be a
brutally awful game, but they're my team. So I'll be
watching that live and watching wrestling some other way.

Speaker 3 (02:03:40):
But there, you do watch the show, right. You may
not watch it on Monday, but you watch it.

Speaker 16 (02:03:44):
Of course.

Speaker 17 (02:03:44):
I'm going to watch the show.

Speaker 3 (02:03:45):
Well, okay, so there you go. That's the problem. We
I hate people who just quit watching. I see people
online always talking about how I haven't watched the WWE
in years because it sucks. Well, guess what, how do
you have that as a probably? What's your frame of
reference if you don't watch it?

Speaker 17 (02:03:59):
Yeah, complaining about it while not watching it? You know, well,
I mean, how do you know what's going on?

Speaker 12 (02:04:04):
I can't remember the.

Speaker 3 (02:04:05):
Last time I watched the pay per view and went, oh,
this sucked. I think all their paper viewers have been
pretty solid in the last few months.

Speaker 17 (02:04:13):
I've almost never had a problem with with the wrestling
on a WWE show, But you know, I can I
can question, Gee, this might not have been a good idea,
or gee, this wrestler maybe shouldn't be a babyface, should
be a heel.

Speaker 3 (02:04:25):
That sort of thing you talked about the Charlotte mentioning
her brother un raw and all the Hubbub people went
and flipped out over that like a bunch of sissies.

Speaker 17 (02:04:35):
Yeah, well, well it turns out I personally thought it
was great. Okay. Well, one of the persons, one of
the people who I guess flipped out would be Rick Flair.

Speaker 3 (02:04:45):
Well, you know what happens at his age, you get
you get looney.

Speaker 17 (02:04:49):
Okay, Well there, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (02:04:51):
Mean, do you think back, Michael Hayes and Mike Graham
and all of them did the same angle thirty years
ago when Eddie Graham died, but they did it two
months after he died. The kid's been dead for three
years and they didn't mention and and Charlotte didn't mention him.
You know, she did it in the context of what
she said in real life that she got into business
to honor him, and she just mentioned it, and then

(02:05:12):
Paige said what she said.

Speaker 17 (02:05:13):
I thought it was great. They have they have definitely
done worse, you know, I mean, okay, the real question
is that make you want Did you do that make
you want to see the match more?

Speaker 3 (02:05:23):
Sure they didn't sit there and say, and they didn't
and her sister didn't go, oh, maybe you'll die of
a heroin overdose like your brother. He didn't do that.
That would have been People are over sensitive, you know.
You know, if they wouldn't have done that, nobody would
have even been talking about that match before Sunday had happen,
before the Sunday had happened.

Speaker 17 (02:05:45):
Okay, well, I mean it's so yeah, what do you think.

Speaker 3 (02:05:50):
I don't think anything's off limits when it comes to
wrestling personally. I mean, back in the old days, if
you had a car accident, you blamed it on the heel.
You know, they always find a way to inter his
real life.

Speaker 17 (02:06:00):
With storylines sabotaging cars. Yeah, that's okay, make eye.

Speaker 3 (02:06:08):
I thought the Divas, the Divas Resolution revolution was going
good for a while, but then they just kind of like,
you know, they don't give me the time that.

Speaker 17 (02:06:16):
They yeah, yeah, yeah, if they wind up it's kind
of hard to have a revolution if they wind up
treating you the exact same way and you know, you're
just getting your matches, aren't getting time. Although I have
seen some Divas matches get TV time and that is good.

Speaker 3 (02:06:30):
Oh yeah I had that. Well the next on the
next show that Bailey and I can't remember who she
worth now, but they had yeah, yeah, they had a
hell of a match, was like thirty minute iron Man
match whatever it was.

Speaker 17 (02:06:40):
Yeah, that was.

Speaker 3 (02:06:44):
But lately that show has been stinking too.

Speaker 17 (02:06:48):
Well well we can uh yeah, but I mean the
thing with the thing with that show is, first of all,
it's an hour. It's an hour as opposed to three hours.
I think that helps a lot. And secondly, there's there's
no question usually that that's a wrestling show. I mean,
you're not going to get you know, Triple Ations and
Stephanie are going to come out and cut a twenty
minute promo during during NXT because well, for one thing,

(02:07:09):
there's not time to do that.

Speaker 3 (02:07:12):
Yeah, but lately the show's just been weaked. I mean
there's a lot of short matches and who really wants
to see Samoa Joe wrestled Finn ballor I know I don't.
I'd rather watch Samoa Joe and Kevin Owens have a
piting contest just for the kicks and giggles as opposed
to watch them in the ring against Finn Balor.

Speaker 17 (02:07:33):
All right, and we're we're probably gonna have to leave
it at that note, Bob, and quite honestly.

Speaker 3 (02:07:38):
Everybody and Kevin Owens would rather have a piting contest,
just judging from appearances.

Speaker 17 (02:07:45):
Well, okay, I'd rather have a piting contest than fight
Samoa Joe, so I can I can dig that area tomorrow.
Tomorrow Wade Keller is hosting. I don't remember who his
guest is, but go ahead and look that up. And
of course we'll back here next Wednesday. I have no
idea who the guest will be next Wednesday either, but
it'll all work out.

Speaker 9 (02:08:05):
Bob.

Speaker 17 (02:08:05):
I want to thank you again for being on. Can
you tell us which show you're gonna who you're gonna
be working for next month and where you where the
match is going to be.

Speaker 3 (02:08:13):
It'll be in Bradington, Florida. I don't really know the
name of the company. It's just an independent show that
I'm helping put together. And I'm sure i'll embarrass myself greatly.

Speaker 17 (02:08:24):
Okay, Well, that's that's that's part of what the pro
wrestling business is about, you know, especially if you're.

Speaker 3 (02:08:30):
A hell true I used to tell people I'm not
a fool. I just play one on TV.

Speaker 17 (02:08:35):
Exactly. All right, Well, Bob again, many thanks. How can
how can people follow you via social media if they
are so inclined?

Speaker 3 (02:08:43):
Well, I'm just on Facebook, and so somehow, somehow I've
been connected to Twitter. I don't know, because every time
I host something on Facebook, it shows up on Twitter.

Speaker 17 (02:08:51):
So you know, yeah, I've got an app that does
that too.

Speaker 3 (02:08:53):
So well I thought that one I got eight I
got eight hundred and some followers on Twitter who for
some reason aren't smart enough to unfollow me. I don't know.

Speaker 17 (02:09:05):
Right well, I'm one of them. Okay, and uh let's
see Bob's Twitter is hold on where we got here?
Evil I won E the e L is an evil
knievel I E y E and the number one.

Speaker 3 (02:09:18):
Yacht in the nineteen seventies for you trivia buffs out there.

Speaker 17 (02:09:22):
I did not know that then. I was kind of yep, okay, are.

Speaker 3 (02:09:27):
You gonna were you gonna say you you were too
young to know? Oh that hurt?

Speaker 17 (02:09:30):
I wasn't, no, of course not. I had the evil
caneval was definitely alive when I was well, actually actually
was alive up until recently, and some of some of
his big jumps I missed.

Speaker 3 (02:09:42):
You know, he was my favorite person on earth and
a friend of mine, and he passed away November thirty
of two thousand and seven. And that's too close to that.
I hate hearing about it.

Speaker 17 (02:09:50):
Okay, Well, all right, Well on that note, Bob again,
thanks again, and we will definitely have you back on
the program to talk about professional wrestling and maybe some
of the stuff that happened in the good old days.
And I'd like to thank all of you for listening.
Be sure to tune in again tomorrow and we'll be
back doing the live cast next week, same PAT time,

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same PAT channel. Good night everybody.

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